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Israel is trying to find a replacement for the United States

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Israel is trying to find a replacement for the United StatesThe foreign policy of the United States in the Middle East clearly does not deign to Israel: the political relief of the region has changed so quickly that Washington is forced to abandon its ally to the mercy of fate for the sake of making more profitable alliances with tough enemies of Tel Aviv. Before 2011, the United States had enough space for maneuvers: Israel, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and the Gulf monarchies were their strategic partners in the East. But with the beginning of the so-called "Arab Spring" the contradictions between these countries came to the fore, so that the "motley union of the friends of America" ​​ceased to exist. Now the United States must choose one, and Israel, apparently, has little chance of becoming Obama's favorite.


Horses on the crossing are changing

The United States, at the beginning of the new millennium, tried on the tunic of the “world gendarme” and, as it became apparent, failed the mission itself. It turned out that it is unrealistic to defend the interests of the country at the same time in all parts of the world, despite the rather powerful fleet and the abundance of various puppets and partners. Because of the desire to embrace the immense White House in the 2000s, it was faced with the need to resolve problems on all continents at once. In the Far East, the interests of Washington are threatened by China and North Korea, in Central Asia and Eastern Europe by Russia, in North Africa and in the Middle East Islamists have pressed pro-western secular parties, in South America left-wing movements are becoming increasingly popular. The White House clearly does not want to disperse forces: recently there has been a tendency in the United States foreign policy to concentrate efforts in one direction. At the moment, this area is the Far East: the United States sees China as its main rival, and are preparing to confront it.

But to achieve a strategic advantage in the Pacific, other regions of the planet, including the troubled Middle East, will have to be ignored. And it seems that the United States is not going to put all its eggs in one basket: now, when the confrontation between America’s allies in the Middle East has reached its climax, you need to choose someone who, according to the White House, is the most reliable and promising. So far, only Islamists, subjugating Tunisia and Libya, operating in Algeria, Egypt, Syria and Iraq, friendly to Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Bahrain, seem to be such a force.

Israel — a tiny strip of land along the Mediterranean coast — fades amid a horde of dimly barbarians seeking power weapons establish itself in the Holy Land. The alliance with the radical Islamist movements of the United States was concluded in the years of the Soviet troops in Afghanistan, and it seems that since then they have not abandoned their plans to establish hegemony in the Middle East, relying on Sunni fundamentalists.

But in order to achieve this goal, Israel can be betrayed: in the end, its support by the United States was largely due to the need to restrain the influence of the Soviet Union. The project of Arab nationalism, developed in the West during the First World War, came into our hands: we used it profitably for our own approval in the region. Now that the collapse of the ideas of Arab nationalism has occurred, and the United States has achieved its main goal — the destruction of the USSR — Israel has ceased to play the role of an outpost of the Euro-Atlantic bloc in the Middle East. The country needs to look for a new place in the international arena, and Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman understands this very well, and with it the entire cabinet of ministers is aware of this problem. It’s another thing that thinking came too late: before the 2006 war of the year, Israel lived in the old categories of good and evil, now it’s time to change the picture of the world. And there is little time left for that.

The United States is ready to abandon Israel, and have already taken the first steps for this. In order to prevent the expansion of Shiite Iran, Washington is banking on Sunnis. Sunni fundamentalists are the main weapons of the United States in the struggle against Syria, Iran, Russia, China and, in the long run, against the embittered Turkey and Pakistan. Of course, Israel sees Iran as its enemy, but it cannot be bothered by America’s increasingly obvious friendship with Islamic fundamentalists.

For the United States, Israel has become just an expensive pleasure: it does not make sense to contain it, and there is no desire to quarrel over it with the countries of the Islamic world. Here Tel Aviv is made available to itself. Survive - well, but will not be able - so nothing terrible about it.

Israel's potential partners

The problem of national security for Israel has always been one of the most important. Regardless of political orientation, every statesman of the country understands that without a strong army and fleetIsrael's reliable security services can be capsized at sea at any time.

Foreign policy support for Tel Aviv is just as important as strengthening the state from the inside. Israel needs an ally outside the Middle East who would help the country in a critical situation, become the protector of Tel Aviv and its guarantor when concluding international treaties. During the Cold War, such functions were performed by the United States, which needed the support of Israel. Now, as mentioned above, the United States no longer needs the services of Tel Aviv, but the latter still needs someone’s support.

The last meeting of Russian President Vladimir Putin and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says a lot. In particular, Israeli politicians are beginning to understand that they were frankly "thrown", giving to their neighbors to be torn to pieces. Looking for help in Europe does not make sense: European countries, like the United States, are inclined to believe that the future of the Middle East is in the hands of Muslims. In any case, the support of fundamentalists for Paris, London and Brussels is more beneficial than an alliance with the secular rulers of the East.

In turn, China for Israel is a dubious patron, since the Celestial Empire has so far been little interested in the political life of the Middle East. In view of the limited geo-strategic opportunities, Beijing relies on the penetration of Chinese capital into the economies of the countries of the region. It’s not yet planned to be anyone's patron of the PRC. Albania under Khoja Enver, the former main ally of China in Europe, does not count: in 60 in the event of a conflict, China could hardly send its fleet to the Mediterranean Sea, and even now the Celestial is unprofitable to show its teeth to the whole world. Israel, in turn, as well as Albania, would have had to become one of the most important suppliers of weapons and manpower to all countries of the world, from Brazil to Indonesia. Getting involved in foreign wars for the sake of protecting the interests of others is not the best option for Tel Aviv.

As for India, this country has not yet achieved such power to have interests in the Mediterranean. Turkey, Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the Gulf monarchies are not suitable for patrons of Israel: they are equal in their geopolitical significance. You can make deals with them, but not one of these countries will be able to become the patron of Tel Aviv.

Compared to Europe and China, Russia is presented to Israel as a completely reliable partner interested in stabilizing the Middle East region. And stability for Israel is desirable: of course, taking advantage of the opportunity, in the conditions of the “Arab Spring” it is convenient to beat neighbors in sore spots, but at any moment the entire carefully constructed foreign policy security system may collapse.

Antiterrorist Coalition

What are the interests of Israel and Russia coincide? First of all, in the fight against terrorism. In recent years, Israel has been confronted not only with the terror of nationalist Arab groups, but also with what is now called international Islamic fundamentalism. Syria and Egypt have already become hotbeds of Islamism: to think only once peaceful Bedouins from the Sinai Peninsula today pose a greater threat to Israel than the armed forces of Egypt. However, it is still not clear on which side Egypt and Syria will come out in case of victory of the Sunni fundamentalists: religious radicals have repeatedly said that after the overthrow of secular regimes they will direct weapons against Israel. A dangerous situation is developing in Lebanon, Jordan is still being held - mainly due to the tacit agreement of the ruling dynasty with terrorists.

Thus, Israel and Russia have a common enemy - supporters of Islamic fundamentalism, who are slowly converting the Arab-Israeli conflict from the secular plane to the religious plane, insisting that the Mediterranean coast is now not just the land of the Arabs, but the territory of Islam. Israel, willy-nilly, turns out to be on one side of the barricades with all the enemies of Islamic fundamentalism - not only regional, but global. And the United States, as the main source of funding for many terrorist groups, refuses to be responsible for "those who have been tamed."

If Israel needs a foreign patron, then Russia, in turn, needs a permanent naval base located in close proximity to the Red Sea and the Indian Ocean. Such a base will not only bring the fight against Somali pirates to a qualitatively new level, but also provide an opportunity to regain the influence lost after 1991, on the Black Continent. In particular, the negotiations of Russia and Greece regarding the provision of naval bases to the Russian fleet are interesting.

There are no significant differences between Russia and Israel on foreign policy issues, with the exception of the Iranian problem. Now that the concept of secular Arab nationalism has failed, many conflicts are turning into sectarian wars. Does Russia have allies in the Sunni world? No, our only partner in the Middle East is Iran - a Shiite country. So Israel could easily become the chief gendarme in the Sunni part of the region, provided that a compromise was reached on the Iranian issue. However, it is unlikely that this will happen in the near future: it takes months or even years to find a peaceful solution. Perhaps the beginning of a dialogue at the ministerial level between Russia and Israel is the first step towards resolving the Iranian-Israeli conflict, and with it the transformation of Israel into a neutral and even friendly country.
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  1. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 5 December 2013 07: 27 New
    38
    Well, they remembered about us, our left-wing brothers. But we only need it? laughing
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 5 December 2013 07: 43 New
      +8
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      But we only need it?

      Now they will fill in and so "justify the need" that you will not find fault ... recourse
      the beginning of a ministerial dialogue between Russia and Israel is the first step towards resolving the Iran-Israel conflict,

      Simply put, they will intrigue in every possible way and push Russia into a conflict with the Persians, groan all trade ties and begin to put pressure on "their favorite corn" - the Caspian shelf.
      1. atalef
        atalef 5 December 2013 07: 55 New
        +5
        Simply put, they will intrigue in every possible way and push Russia into a conflict with the Persians, groan all trade ties and begin to put pressure on "their favorite corn" - the Caspian shelf.

        You’ll have a conflict with the Persians for one reason (I’m not saying that it’s armed), Russia borders Iran on the Caspian Sea, and Iran also wants to be a regional power dominating the region, one day your interests will intersect. Iran is not a country in the Middle East, and Israel does not border it, Israel will not go under the patronage of Russia, the conditions are not ripe for it, and what can Russia give it? Sorry - nothing, trade relations are one thing, a reliable ally - just now, for one simple reason - Russia is not ready for this, and we are the same, Russia has priorities in the Arab world, although frankly it’s not entirely clear what they are generally left. Now there is no Arab country that can call itself a friend of Russia (Syria still does not count, no one knows how it will end there)
        According to the current policy, Israel has no alternative to the USA, and Russia has nothing to offer Israel.
        1. j iz sibiri
          j iz sibiri 5 December 2013 07: 58 New
          14
          WHO YOU BOUND ONE WITH YOU AND WILL END
          1. atalef
            atalef 5 December 2013 08: 34 New
            +4
            Quote: j iz sibiri
            WHO YOU BOUND ONE WITH YOU AND WILL END

            Mom and dad or what?
            1. j iz sibiri
              j iz sibiri 5 December 2013 08: 48 New
              +4
              I don’t know who, well, someone will do it for sure
              1. not good
                not good 5 December 2013 14: 33 New
                +5
                The state of Israel began to form with the support of the USSR, and then all the rest, but Joseph Vissarionovich was gone.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 5 December 2013 14: 37 New
                  -9
                  Quote: Negoro
                  The state of Israel began to form with the support of the USSR, and then all the rest, but Joseph Vissarionovich was gone.


                  And Russia with the help of the Ruriks (Norwegians) and went from Kievan Rus. And now what? What does it matter now? At one time, a photograph of Stalin hung in almost all kibbutzim --- the subsequent leaders all of our relations poheril.
                  Arabs turned out to be more expensive to someone, and what of all this love and grandmothers were left there? They put the wrong horse, now it could be as firmly as the United States would influence BV.
                  1. CTEPX
                    CTEPX 5 December 2013 17: 48 New
                    +7
                    Quote: atalef
                    And Russia with the help of the Ruriks (Norwegians) and went from Kievan Rus.

                    Sounds cool: And Israel with the help of Stalin (Georgians) and went from the Ukrainian SSR)).
                    Quote: atalef
                    And now what?
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                  3. SV
                    SV 5 December 2013 19: 17 New
                    +9
                    Do not touch the history of Russia. We hardly know the true one, but everything that was hammered into us was written by the Germans. Lomonosov at one time tried to defend the truth, but the dominance of foreigners / foreign nationals at court reduced his aspirations to nothing ...
                    (see translations of Byzantine and Roman historians, medieval philosophers, Slavic annals, taking into account archaeological excavations and studies of linguists)
                    1. SAG
                      SAG 5 December 2013 23: 50 New
                      +4
                      sorry a hundred pluses I can’t put, few people know about it ... and are not interested !!!
                  4. Geisenberg
                    Geisenberg 5 December 2013 21: 49 New
                    +2
                    Quote: atalef
                    And Russia with the help of the Ruriks (Norwegians) and went from Kievan Rus.


                    Not Russia, but Russia. And not with the help of the Norwegians, but with their participation. And Russia is much later ...

                    Two in history.
                  5. not good
                    not good 5 December 2013 23: 30 New
                    +3
                    No, it’s just that the inhabitants of the Promised Land simply decided that it was better to make a gesheft with the states. And at the expense of the Norwegian Rurikovich, this is the western version artificially planted in Russia, which Lomonosov had fought with at one time, but trampled him unreasonably. Yes, and the Jewish lobby is much it was easier to promote their interests in the US parliament (who pays and dances ...) than in an ideologically stubborn political bureau.
                  6. SAG
                    SAG 5 December 2013 23: 48 New
                    +5
                    Israel betrayed the USSR because of money and love of capitalism, only after that the USSR began to support the Arabs!
                  7. Sibiriya
                    Sibiriya 6 December 2013 00: 54 New
                    0
                    It simply went from the union of Slavic peoples. Ruriks came to Kievan Rus 6-7 century according to the surviving chronicles
                2. Revolver
                  Revolver 5 December 2013 19: 40 New
                  +7
                  Quote: Negoro
                  The state of Israel began to form with the support of the USSR, and then all the rest, but Joseph Vissarionovich was gone.

                  And then an eccentric came in the letter M Nikita Kukuruznik and vulgarized everything. Well, what the hell is he Gamal Abdel-on-all-Nasser made in the Heroes of the Union? What did this Nasser do so heroic, but promised to build socialism yes ogreb a couple of times sickly stars from the Jews? But in addition to the gold that went to the star, it still cost billions - count at least in dollars, even in pre-perestroika full rubles. And think about how many apartments could be built instead of Aswan? How many Volgas and Muscovites could be produced instead of combat, and not only, equipment, which he so mediocrely ordered that after 1967 Israel equipped a tank division with Soviet tanks, even though the USSR did not put a screw for them in Israel. The stupid Arabs only covered Russian weapons with shame, which in their qualities they did not deserve.
                  Or, even better, not apartments and wheelbarrows would have been built, but the factories that make them. After all, one of the reasons that pushed Gorbaty towards perestroika was the fact that the economy could not cope with meeting the needs of the country. Well, think about what would happen if by the end of the "era of stagnation" in the Union there was another car plant of the VAZ type, and even a couple of factories for the production of electronics, and there were no communal apartments?
                  1. Geisenberg
                    Geisenberg 5 December 2013 21: 51 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Nagan
                    And then an eccentric came in the letter M Nikita Kukuruznik and vulgarized everything.


                    Yes, no one is against ... There is one caveat. About the dead either good or just do nothing.
                    1. Revolver
                      Revolver 6 December 2013 04: 58 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Geisenberg
                      There is one caveat. About the dead either good or just do nothing.
                      Khrushch himself violated this rule by abusing Stalin's memory.
                      May everyone be rewarded according to his deeds.
                    2. Ustian
                      Ustian 6 December 2013 20: 43 New
                      0
                      Quote: Geisenberg
                      Quote: Nagan
                      And then an eccentric came in the letter M Nikita Kukuruznik and vulgarized everything.


                      Yes, no one is against ... There is one caveat. About the dead either good, or just do nothing.

                      In my opinion it’s not bad sadand I said nothing!
                  2. katsin2
                    katsin2 6 December 2013 19: 45 New
                    0
                    Quote: Nagan
                    Quote: Negoro
                    The state of Israel began to form with the support of the USSR, and then all the rest, but Joseph Vissarionovich was gone.

                    And then an eccentric came in the letter M Nikita Kukuruznik and vulgarized everything. Well, what the hell is he Gamal Abdel-on-all-Nasser made in the Heroes of the Union? What did this Nasser do so heroic, but promised to build socialism yes ogreb a couple of times sickly stars from the Jews? But in addition to the gold that went to the star, it still cost billions - count at least in dollars, even in pre-perestroika full rubles. And think about how many apartments could be built instead of Aswan? How many Volgas and Muscovites could be produced instead of combat, and not only, equipment, which he so mediocrely ordered that after 1967 Israel equipped a tank division with Soviet tanks, even though the USSR did not put a screw for them in Israel. The stupid Arabs only covered Russian weapons with shame, which in their qualities they did not deserve.
                    Or, even better, not apartments and wheelbarrows would have been built, but the factories that make them. After all, one of the reasons that pushed Gorbaty towards perestroika was the fact that the economy could not cope with meeting the needs of the country. Well, think about what would happen if by the end of the "era of stagnation" in the Union there was another car plant of the VAZ type, and even a couple of factories for the production of electronics, and there were no communal apartments?


                    He sits in Cairo, stroking his belly semi-fascist half-hero Hero of the Soviet Union Gamal Abdel At All Nasser :-)
            2. chunga-changa
              chunga-changa 5 December 2013 10: 48 New
              +5
              That would be the funniest option.
            3. datur
              datur 5 December 2013 20: 45 New
              +1
              [quote = atalef] [quote = j iz sibiri] WHO YOU BORN THAT WITH YOU AND WILL END [/ quote]
              Mom and dad or something - well, you are God's chosen people, so he will suit you !! wink laughing
            4. datur
              datur 5 December 2013 20: 45 New
              0
              [quote = atalef] [quote = j iz sibiri] WHO YOU BORN THAT WITH YOU AND WILL END [/ quote]
              Mom and dad or something - well, you are God's chosen people, so he will suit you !! wink laughing
            5. Geisenberg
              Geisenberg 5 December 2013 21: 47 New
              -3
              Quote: atalef
              Quote: j iz sibiri
              WHO YOU BOUND ONE WITH YOU AND WILL END

              Mom and dad or what?


              Here it is necessary to look deeper ... Churchill gave birth to Hitler ... They have not existed for a long time, but their work lives on, gazenvagen is still relevant.
          2. SAG
            SAG 5 December 2013 23: 45 New
            0
            Is Stalin alive? belay
        2. Perch_xnumx
          Perch_xnumx 5 December 2013 09: 46 New
          +7

          You’ll have a conflict with the Persians, for one reason (I’m not saying that it’s armed), Russia borders Iran on the Caspian Sea, and Iran also wants to be the regional power dominating the region someday your interests intersect.

          Russia will always agree with Iran, it is always possible when realist people who don’t believe that you can simply bomb those who are weaker and disobey.
          Israel will not go under the patronage of Russia

          We know about the multipolar world. Patronage - no, but a multipolar policy - yes, although what kind of policy you may have - we want to bomb anyone we want.

          According to the current policy, Israel has no alternative to the USA, and Russia has nothing to offer Israel.

          I think so the mass appearance of nuclear weapons among the Arabs - a matter of time, how will live on the promised land.
          1. atalef
            atalef 5 December 2013 12: 06 New
            +3
            Quote: Perch_1
            Russia will always agree with Iran, it is always possible when realist people who don’t believe that you can simply bomb those who are weaker and disobey.

            Not a fact, and far away. Are realists in Iran? How much can we talk about realists - when the state is called Islamic, and the law is Sharia
            Quote: Perch_1
            We know about the multipolar world. Patronage - no, but a multipolar policy - yes, although what kind of politics you have - we want to bomb anyone we want

            I don’t know what is the connection with the multipolar world - probably only because it is not possible to be 100% attached to one person. And by the way, the visit of Saudi chief intelligence to Russia is a confirmation of this. It was adopted by the GDP with full understanding, despite the fact that everyone knows who supports both the SSA and Wahhabis around the world.
            Quote: Perch_1
            I think so the mass appearance of nuclear weapons among the Arabs - a matter of time, how will live on the promised land

            Just like everyone else - it’s shitty, or do you think the spread of nuclear weapons by the Arabs will end? And will this not affect Russia in any way? At least the fact that the missile defense will be accurately deployed
        3. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 5 December 2013 10: 02 New
          10
          Hi Sasha. hi
          Quote: atalef
          You will have a conflict with the Persians for one reason (
          Friends also have disagreements, that's okay. And we are possible with Iran, but I would not call them conflicts in advance. For us, the Saudis are a greater adversary, and for Iran they are also enemies, and probably they will remain. So, we have more in common than disagreement.
          Israel is now rushing around, trying to prove to the United States that they can do without them. But this is nothing more than a farce, stuffing prices so to speak. Yes, you yourself understand it
          Quote: atalef
          Israel has no alternative to the USA, and Russia has nothing to offer Israel.

          hi
          1. atalef
            atalef 5 December 2013 12: 11 New
            +4
            !
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Hi Sasha

            Hi Igor hi
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Friends also have disagreements, that's okay. And we are possible with Iran, but I would not call them conflicts in advance

            Of course, as with the United States
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            For us, the Saudis are a greater adversary, and for Iran they are also enemies

            For Iran - yes, for Russia I’m not sure.
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            So, we have more in common than disagreement.

            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Israel is now rushing around, trying to prove to the United States that they can do without them. But this is nothing more than a farce, stuffing prices so to speak. Yes, you yourself understand it

            Of course - a storm in a glass of water and bloating cheeks - nothing more
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 5 December 2013 12: 15 New
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              For Iran - yes, for Russia I’m not sure.

              The main OPEC player is by definition not a friend to us. It is they who set oil prices, well, or they really influence them. With the filing of the USA of course.
              1. atalef
                atalef 5 December 2013 12: 19 New
                +1
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                The main OPEC player is by definition not a friend to us. It is they who set oil prices, well, or they really influence them. With the filing of the USA of course.

                By the way Igoryanich - Venezuela in OPEC? And how does this fit with your words?
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 5 December 2013 14: 24 New
                  +4
                  Quote: atalef
                  By the way Igoryanich - Venezuela in OPEC? And how does it fit with your words

                  The Saudis take the place at the head of the board of directors. Venezuela does not have the highest vote in OPEC. Everyone else is singing along to the Saudis. hi
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 5 December 2013 15: 27 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    The Saudis take the place at the head of the board of directors. Venezuela does not have the highest vote in OPEC. Everyone else is singing along to the Saudis

                    Such is the villagers who pay, the girl is dancing, the Saudis and alone without OPEC could crush everyone with oil - in OPEC they adhere to at least the minimum rules of the game. There Russia is neither in OPEC and nothing - nor deadly.
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 5 December 2013 15: 45 New
                      +5
                      Quote: atalef
                      in OPEC they adhere to at least the minimum rules of the game
                      And who writes these rules, you yourself know. And the fact that Russia is not in OPEC, at one time the Union and finished off. Well, or made a significant contribution to finishing. We urgently need to create a gas analogue of OPEC. hi
                      1. atalef
                        atalef 5 December 2013 15: 57 New
                        0
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        And who writes these rules, you yourself know

                        He does not play roles, Russia is not in OPEC, no one dictates to her. Could raise production, drop prices - and crush the Saudis - as an example (though apparently it is not known who will go first in the world)
                        The Saudis can afford (at the request of the same states to play with prey and, accordingly, with prices) So here you will do nothing - the strongest dictates.
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        And the fact that Russia is not in OPEC, at one time the Union and finished off


                        Russia cannot be in OPEC a priori since then she will have to obey the decisions of the Arab countries - which most of OPEC
                        Russia tried at the time to make a gas OPEC - but having measured eggs with Qatar --- I didn’t understand it. Or would have to fall under their dictates. OPEC is an organization where the voting right is based on the level of production and the fact that it is Big Russia or small Kuwait does not play a role
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        . We urgently need to create a gas analogue of OPEC

                        Tried - did not pass. Especially now, when the United States produces more gas than in Russia.
                      2. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 5 December 2013 16: 17 New
                        +2
                        Quote: atalef
                        when the US produces more gas than in Russia.

                        Sanya, urgently take care of the brakes. Russia in the first place in gas production. laughing You're right with oil, we are not a country to go on a supporting role in OPEC. hi
                      3. atalef
                        atalef 5 December 2013 17: 59 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Sanya, urgently take care of the brakes. Russia in the first place in gas production. You're right with oil, we are not a country to go on a supporting role in OPEC.

                        In July, according to the Office of Energy Information and the International Energy Agency, the United States produced approximately 22 million barrels of oil, gas, and related fuel per day. None of these two agencies have data on production in Russia this year, but Moscow's forecast for oil and gas production in 2013 is about 21,8 million barrels per day.

                        Well, maybe one block junk, but the idea you understand
                      4. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 5 December 2013 18: 06 New
                        +3
                        Quote: atalef
                        Well, maybe one block junk

                        Pads, Sanya, change in pairs. laughing
                        Quote: atalef
                        Russia tried at the time to make a gas OPEC - but having measured eggs with Qatar --- I didn’t understand it.

                        It was about gas, about oil, I agree with you. hi
                      5. atalef
                        atalef 5 December 2013 18: 11 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Pads, Sanya, change in pairs.

                        My knowledge of the car ends with the garage door, where it is serviced. In pairs so in pairs - you know better
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        It was about gas, about oil, I agree with you

                        This is already good. For some reason, I was sure that my wife had a birthday yesterday. and it is tomorrow. Memory is generally a selective thing.
                        Although she was just lucky. Well tomorrow it’s another gift for me to drag, as compensation belay
                      6. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 5 December 2013 18: 32 New
                        +1
                        Quote: atalef
                        For some reason, I was sure that my wife had a birthday yesterday. and it is tomorrow. Memory is generally a selective thing.

                        Features of national memory? lol
                        Quote: atalef
                        Well tomorrow it’s another gift for me to drag, as compensation

                        And the consequences of a long stay in Russia. laughing
                        P.S. Well, I can’t be without a Jewish subfloor, forgive me. fellow Say congratulations, and don’t drink a lot. laughing
                      7. atalef
                        atalef 5 December 2013 19: 20 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Say congratulations, and don’t drink a lot.

                        Thank ,
                        And a little the same drinks
  • avt
    avt 5 December 2013 10: 56 New
    +6
    Quote: atalef
    You will have a conflict with the Persians for one reason (

    It will be, if you again thrust a Gorbachev into the Kremlin, unleash a war with Iran, but this new leader will "stopudo," LADIES, for example, will gladly announce that they are all "not handshake" and are completely world terrorists. Well, again, if during The unleashed war will have to occupy the northern part on the basis of any ancient documents, as a legal successor, but this is unlikely, Russia is not the USSR to create a large Azerbaijan. And Israel for America is a suitcase without a handle. They settled down in Qatar calmly, without unnecessary stress, without their presence the country would not be like that in five minutes. The American Jewish lobby no longer needs Israel, which is what they are doing softly, including Barak Husseinovich's statements about a return to the borders of 68, they are doing quite concretely. So they will merge Israel at the first opportunity, not tomorrow, of course, but judging by the fact that this topic raised, about which earlier it was impossible to think about it - they will be declared crazy, the flywheel was turned.
  • saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 5 December 2013 12: 01 New
    +4
    Quote: atalef
    Russia borders Iran on the Caspian Sea,

    Alexander, where does Russia border Iran?
    Let Aliyev share the Caspian Sea with Turkmenbashi and Iran, and Russia, wisely, should benefit from this.
    1. atalef
      atalef 5 December 2013 12: 13 New
      -6
      Quote: saturn.mmm
      Alexander, where is Russia bordering Iran? Let Aliyev share the Caspian Sea with Turkmenbashi and Iran, and Russia, wisely, should benefit from this.

      Across the Caspian - or is it a surprise?
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 5 December 2013 13: 03 New
        +4
        Quote: atalef
        Across the Caspian - or is it a surprise?

        Where? You show a finger.
        The current legal regime of the Caspian is established by the Soviet-Iranian treaties of 1921 and 1940. These agreements provide for freedom of navigation throughout the sea, freedom of fishing with the exception of the ten-mile national fishing zones and a ban on the sailing of vessels flying the flag of non-Caspian states in its water area.
        Negotiations on the legal status of the Caspian are ongoing.
        1. atalef
          atalef 5 December 2013 13: 17 New
          0
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          Where? You show a finger

          Grandfather is sitting on the shore, fishing. Then an American submarine pops up
          swims to the grandfather.
          - Hello, please tell me where the Russians sailed?
          Grandfather points a finger to the side:
          - Yes there, it seems ...
          - South-west-west course.
          “Well, south-west-west,” agrees the grandfather.
          The Americans are sailing away. Then a Russian boat pops up.
          - Hey, grandfather, where did the Americans go?
          - South-west-west course.
          - Don’t get smart here, you better show your finger.
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 5 December 2013 14: 04 New
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            - Don’t get smart here, you better show your finger.

            Well, what to take with us dense? request
            1. atalef
              atalef 5 December 2013 14: 20 New
              +2
              Quote: saturn.mmm
              Quote: atalef
              - Don’t get smart here, you better show your finger.

              Well, what to take with us dense? request

              I requested it myself. Or do you want to say that in the Caspian, Iran will not fit into the sphere of influence of Russia. Also check who is preventing the signing of an agreement on delimitation of the Caspian - and this is, oddly enough, Russia
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 5 December 2013 14: 55 New
      -2
      Quote: saturn.mmm
      Alexander, where does Russia border Iran?
      Let Aliyev share the Caspian Sea with Turkmenbashi and Iran, and Russia, wisely, should benefit from this.

      Across the Caspian and borders. There is a serious debate about maritime boundaries.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 5 December 2013 15: 41 New
        +9
        Quote: Pimply
        Across the Caspian and borders. There is a serious debate about maritime boundaries.


        The dispute is not about borders. legal status Caspian Sea. Iran proposes to leave the Caspian Sea in common use (that is, take the principle of inium as a basis) of the Caspian countries or divide it into five equal parts so that, regardless of the length of the coastline, each country would get 20% of the seabed. Russia, Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan are fundamentally opposed to such a delineation of the seabed. These countries adhere to the principle of dividing the bottom of the Caspian Sea along the midline, taking into account the equidistance of geographical points, while leaving the sea surface in common use. According to the concluded bilateral agreements between the Russian Federation and Azerbaijan, the Russian Federation and Kazakhstan, as well as Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan, with the delimitation of the seabed of Russia, 19% of the seabed will be obtained, Azerbaijan - 18% and Kazakhstan 27%. Thus, the three mentioned states will account for 64% of the seabed of the Caspian Sea. Of the remaining 36% of the seabed, Iran will get only 11 to 14%.
        Russia DOES NOT HAVE MARINE borders with Iran.
        According to international law state territory is a part of the Earth’s surface, including internal and territorial waters, subsoil beneath them and airspace, to which the power (jurisdiction) of this state extends.

        State border is real line on the ground (territory, water area), which defines the boundaries of the state territory.
        Russia borders the sea with 12 states. The length of the sea border with Norway is 23,3 kilometers, with Finland - 54 kilometers, with Estonia - 142 kilometers, with Lithuania (border with the Kaliningrad region) - 22,4 kilometers, with Poland (border with the Kaliningrad region) - 32,2 kilometers, 320 kilometers with Ukraine, 22,4 kilometers with Georgia, 22,4 kilometers with Azerbaijan, 85,8 kilometers with Kazakhstan, and 22,1 kilometers with North Korea.
        Only the sea border Russia has with the USA and Japan. These are the narrow straits that separate the South Kuril Islands from Hokkaido Island and Ratmanova Island from Kruzenshtern Island. The border with Japan is 194,3 kilometers long and 49 kilometers from the USA.
        The sea border of the Caspian Sea is not precisely defined and is estimated by Russian border guards at 580 kilometers.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 5 December 2013 15: 56 New
          +6
          Quote: Ascetic
          (that is, take the principle of inium as a basis)


          The word k-o-n-d-o-m turns out to be filtered repeat
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 5 December 2013 16: 21 New
            +2
            There were proposals from the former Soviet republics to divide the Caspian waters of the USSR between them, and leave Iran with their possessions. But since there are no such possessions or borders in the Caspian, it is proposed to consider the "Yagoda line" from the mouth of the river as the border. Astara to the mouth of the river. Atrek (fig.). Then Iran gets about 11% of the current area of ​​the Caspian Sea south of this line. But this is not enough for Iran, and the question of how to divide the rest of the sea remains unresolved.



            Options for the border of Iran’s possessions in the South Caspian:
            along the line Astara - Atrek ("Yagoda line") - the red line;
            along the median line (blue line);
            20% of the Caspian area claimed by Iran (green line).

            The same internal Dead Sea is located almost at the hottest point of the planet, both in a figurative (political) and in a literal (climatic) sense. There is tremendous evaporation here, and the level of the Dead Sea has been falling rapidly in recent decades. But the borders between its three co-owners - Jordan, Israel and Palestine - do not change their position (Fig.), Because they are also drawn "on water like dry land." When the shallow southern part of the reservoir dried up completely, the border between Israel and Jordan in this area became land. Both countries began to extract salt and mud here, for which each partitioned its part of the dried bed into evaporation ponds

            1. atalef
              atalef 5 December 2013 16: 41 New
              +1
              Quote: Ascetic
              But Iran is not enough

              Here I am about that.
      2. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 5 December 2013 21: 47 New
        0
        Quote: Pimply
        Across the Caspian and borders. There is a serious debate about maritime boundaries.

        A drawing or photo on which a map will be displayed showing the maritime border between Russia and Iran in the Caspian. We already have no USSR.
        There is a dispute, but there is no border.
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 5 December 2013 21: 45 New
    -1
    Quote: atalef
    You will have a conflict with the Persians for one reason


    In your opinion, a conflict between states is when one state fries over another with tomahawks, or what explodes like that and drives it into the Stone Age. In the case of Iran and the Russian Federation, this will not happen. And what else is the misunderstanding ...

    Quote: atalef
    ... and Russia has nothing to offer Israel.


    You have sir imperial ambitions, it is in vain. How did you get the idea that what kind of totem is Israel needed by the Russian Federation? Who will offer you something? It was about what would remain of this state, except for the memories, if the Sunnis take possession of the Middle East! Doomsday will seem like a holiday to you if now all the bearded brothers from Syria, Libya, and Sudan are going to hang out for you in jihad ...
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 5 December 2013 10: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: Ptah
    to begin to put pressure on "your favorite corn" - the Caspian shelf.

    They will try. good
    1. atalef
      atalef 5 December 2013 12: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      They will try.

      We will not try, in general, Israel cannot pressure Russia a priori. Weight categories are different. The leadership of Russia understands without us what and how. Only now they can’t say much --- people will not understand.
      And then you wonder - why Russia supports sanctions against Korea or Iran
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 5 December 2013 12: 18 New
        +5
        Quote: atalef
        We will not try, in general, Israel cannot pressure Russia a priori.

        But they can try to introduce contradictions between us. It is in the spirit of Israel. hi
  • Civil
    Civil 5 December 2013 13: 34 New
    +2
    Such a wonderful Israeli screw in the ass of the Arabs, the United States will never surrender it to his friends from Saudi Arabia, and everyone else will be silently angry
  • atalef
    atalef 5 December 2013 08: 33 New
    +2
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Well, they remembered about us, our left-wing brothers. But we only need it? laughing

    Igoryanich, and us?
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 5 December 2013 10: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: atalef
      Igoryanich, and us?

      hi Well, except that the States to tease, in order to break them into jealousy. laughing
      1. atalef
        atalef 5 December 2013 12: 18 New
        +3
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Well, except that the States to tease, in order to break them into jealousy.


        There is a moment, but nothing more. How is Egypt about to buy weapons in Russia - what’s the result?
        Most of all I like this game to the public - the most interesting truth is that everyone knows - but they continue to flare their wings stubbornly
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 5 December 2013 12: 23 New
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          the most interesting truth is that everyone knows - but continues to stubbornly flap their wings

          Absolutely agree. Probably guided by wisdom- The stupid penguin timidly hides, the sly impudently takes out. laughing Ponte above all.
          1. atalef
            atalef 5 December 2013 12: 25 New
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Ponte above all

            Save money - do not spare pontos (old Jewish wisdom)
  • ShturmKGB
    ShturmKGB 5 December 2013 13: 08 New
    0
    Russia will have more benefits if Israel does not become at all ...
    1. AlNikolaich
      AlNikolaich 5 December 2013 21: 02 New
      +1
      ShturmKGB
      Russia will have more benefits if Israel does not become at all ...

      Why so? What’s the benefit? And where to put the Jews then?

      No, really. Let Israel be! Otherwise, from his abrupt disappearance, there will be more crap for everyone than from his existence!
  • SAG
    SAG 5 December 2013 23: 42 New
    0
    Here I am about the same !! It follows from the author’s material that we don’t really need Israel, but for Israel we remain the only hope for survival as a state. Then a rhetorical question: And what price is Israel willing to pay for such protection based on the wolf laws of capitalism ???
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 6 December 2013 01: 03 New
      +1
      "Don't have a hundred rubles, but have a hundred friends." I don't see anything bad in cooperation with Israel. On the contrary. There you can learn a lot of useful things. Medicine (one of the best in the world), the practical application of the latest scientific achievements and education (also in leading positions), the military-industrial complex, the latest technologies in agriculture - they show miracles there.
      First you need to establish trade. And then, step by step, look for new points of convergence of interests, etc. . Our people there are decent, so that our mentality and worldview know - the easier. Yes, and try on Iran with Israel, the Russian Federation is more convenient at the moment than the United States. Russia needs to seize the moment and to begin to organize a platform for negotiations. In my opinion, for Israel, the actual enemy is Hezbollah, supported by Iran (and the rest is just idle talk, such as the complete destruction of Israel - it is necessary to mentally support the wards). I think Russia is able to pacify Hezbollah through influence on Iran, which needs Russian support in the international arena as needed.
      If Russia wants peace in BV, then without cooperation with Israel this cannot be achieved. So I personally am only FOR. hi
  • duke
    duke 5 December 2013 23: 55 New
    +1
    I do not think that the author of the article is right, the states have been pumping Israel with weapons and money for so many years in order to just drain and lose all investments and an ally? Besides, what will the powerful Jewish lobby in the United States say, as well as the financial "international"? Are they ready to merge Israel? In my opinion, they would rather merge Babama ... The Americans, of course, have a serious interest in Saudi Arabia, but we must not forget that they never bet on only one horse, they always have counterweights. Here's what we could learn how to play "glass beads" ... Have you noticed how they began to flirt with Iran? And this is correct, since if they leave Afghanistan, then it is necessary to create a counterbalance to Pakistan, in addition to India, because India has little influence in Afghanistan. In addition, Iran remains the most powerful Shiite center of power, Syria is no longer counted, which means a natural counterweight to both the Saud and the Turks ... Naturally, Israel is nervous in such an environment and tries to find new allies, and sometimes to put pressure on the levers to hint The Americans say they don't like this or that and that is also normal ... Let's see how this game of Israel will end ... In principle, everything is known in advance, but there may be many unexpected moves ...
  • atalef
    atalef 5 December 2013 07: 37 New
    +9
    The article is frankly weak, starting with incorrect conclusions, and the assumptions are the same. Israel is not an enemy of Russia, it’s for sure, of course it doesn’t believe, but not an enemy, for sure. Our interests overlap little, and how can the interests of a regional power and a global giant intersect? Israel is beneficial to have Russia a true friend, Russia, I think the same thing that prevents, so it is echoes of the past.
    Further, about relations with the United States, dear ones scold, they just play around, Obama is not eternal, there were good presidents for us (or rather comfortable), and not very- Obama is generally a complete zero (in my opinion for everyone), but no one in Israel or in America (and the state dep. determines politics) it will not ruin relations because of some Obama - after 3 years, everyone will forget about him.
    The article is weak. But it’s a pity that maybe the joint interests of Russia and Israel could be written much more deeply and primarily about scientific and trade cooperation, and not about a hypothetical base in Haifa (as I understand it)
    We have something to give each other - to each other, and in the presence of so many Russian-speaking - in my opinion it is absolutely logical
    1. Fin
      Fin 5 December 2013 09: 59 New
      +4
      Atalef, look the author of some Bedouins mentioned, and you are silent:
      just think, once the peaceful Bedouins from the Sinai Peninsula these days pose a greater threat to Israel than

      Recently, you took out my brain when I figuratively wrote that the Bedouins will come to you.
      And on the topic: all these cooling relationships are temporary or bluff. The Yankees will never abandon Israel with such a Jewish lobby in the United States.
      1. atalef
        atalef 5 December 2013 12: 22 New
        +2
        Quote: Fin
        Atalef, look, the author of some Bedouins mentioned, and you are silent:

        The author here mentioned a lot of different bullshit - pay attention to everything?
        Quote: Fin
        Recently, you took out my brain when I figuratively wrote that the Bedouins will come to you.

        Well, I hope the brain I figuratively endured the same. As he wrote that this is stupidity - nothing has changed
        Quote: Fin
        And on the topic: all these cooling relationships are temporary or bluff. The Yankees will never abandon Israel with such a Jewish lobby in the USA

        In life, in general, everything is temporary. Bad relations with Obama for 5 years. nothing critical happened during this time. especially not to happen in the remaining 3 years
      2. Tourist Breakfast
        Tourist Breakfast 5 December 2013 12: 42 New
        +2
        Atalef, look, the author of some Bedouins mentioned, and you are silent:

        The author wrote nonsense. The Sinai Bedouins are at worst involved in crime. However, the terrorist threat does not come from the Bedouins at all, but from various Islamist thugs like the Salafis and Hamas. These guys have recently bred in the Sinai in large numbers, taking advantage of the difficult situation in Egypt.
    2. Old skeptic
      Old skeptic 5 December 2013 10: 33 New
      +3
      Quote: atalef
      Israel is not an enemy of Russia, it’s for sure, of course it doesn’t believe, but not an enemy, for sure.

      Your cartridge is our enemy. A friend of my enemy ....

      Just do not, this dimagogy that pin-sy not us enemies.
      1. atalef
        atalef 5 December 2013 12: 24 New
        +2
        Quote: Old Skeptic
        Your cartridge is our enemy. A friend of my enemy ....


        Stupid, yes it’s your right.
        Quote: Old Skeptic
        Just do not, this dimagogy that pin-sy not us enemies.

        Enemies are enemies, and we have to do with it. If you fight with all the friends of the states, you will tear your pants. Fight only with them. or how ?
        1. huut
          huut 5 December 2013 14: 54 New
          +5
          Quote: atalef
          You will fight with all the friends of the states - you will tear your pants. Fight only with them. or how ?

          And so - we must try to use you and not let you use us. And the truth is, why fight, especially with your own hands, you have so many lovers of war there.

          By the way, I didn't know the states had friends. Do their "friends" want to believe that they are really friends? This is milking, sometimes mutual. I ran out of milk - for meat.
    3. avt
      avt 5 December 2013 11: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: atalef
      Next, about relations with the United States - dear ones scold- they just play around, Obama is not forever, there were good presidents for us (or rather comfortable) were not very- Obama is generally a complete zero (in my opinion for everyone)

      Don't make adults funny. What does Huseynovich have to do with it? The policy of the United States of North America does not depend on the "elections" between "Democrats" and "Republicans." Leave that to naive amers' inhabitants and our swamp hamsters, who piously believe in "human rights and democratic values" and their overseas carriers.
      1. atalef
        atalef 5 December 2013 12: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: avt
        The policy of the United States of North America does not depend on "elections" between "Democrats" and "Republicans"

        Depends, but not much, therefore I say - we will outlive Obama too
    4. their
      their 5 December 2013 11: 37 New
      +4
      Have you overcome Russophobia in Israel? There you have one and all in the media of Putin called a bloody dictator, and many can not tolerate Russian. This only affects the departure of my classmate back to Russia, he SUCH told me that I was in shock. The izrus.co.il website constantly writes about how the Russians are beaten by the police for no reason.

      Explain maybe what is going on there and how after this you can call Russian friends? Is this the state’s national policy towards Russian Jews?
      1. atalef
        atalef 5 December 2013 13: 07 New
        +6
        Quote: sus
        Have you overcome Russophobia in Israel?

        You know, if in the countries of the former Union, including Ukraine and Kazakhstan, the Russian language and Russian would be treated like in Israel, then I think they would have no problem with Russophobia
        In Israel, in any place, including state institutions, you will be served in Russian (with blank forms) at school, any student can learn and pass Russian for matriculation, a huge number of kindergartens in Russian. signboards in shops and the TV program - included in the state free package, veterans enjoy all the benefits and pensions like Israeli war veterans, and people with disabilities receive the same pensions and benefits as IDF invalids.
        Many former Soviet republics need to learn from us - despite the fact that the question of Russian as the 3rd state language has never been on the agenda
        Quote: sus
        There, you have one by one in the media of Putin called a bloody dictator

        Well, what a bloody dictator he is, by the way, he even impresses a lot of people, if we had GDP, there would definitely be no problems with palaces.
        And the rest is your internal affair

        Quote: sus
        and many people hate Russians


        There are those, but where do they go? if half of the ministers in the government are Russian. like the third largest party in the Knesset. Many are simply jealous of that. how immigrants from the USSR moved forward over these 20 years. But there's nothing to be done about it. For me, the most important indicator is my work (by the way state-owned enterprise) Now if some local son or daughter marries or marries children of immigrants from Russia - he says this with pride - the rest is journalistic husk
        Quote: sus
        Explain maybe what is going on there and how after this you can call Russian friends? Is this the state’s national policy towards Russian Jews?

        In my opinion, explained enough that you write nonsense
    5. Revolver
      Revolver 5 December 2013 19: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: atalef
      Obama is not eternal, there were good presidents for us (or rather comfortable) were not very- Obama is generally a complete zero (in my opinion for everyone)
      Here you are wrong, it is not zero, but a sickly negative value. negative sad
      Quote: atalef
      because of some Obama, after 3 years, everyone will forget about him.
      They will not forget - Carter is often remembered when Obama needs to be compared with someone, such as who is the worst. negative
    6. duke
      duke 6 December 2013 00: 01 New
      +1
      Well, you offer a strong little article, dig more and more hi
    7. katsin2
      katsin2 6 December 2013 19: 54 New
      +1
      If the forum knew how many Russian patients I helped, you look, and you wouldn’t have minus this)))
  • Denis
    Denis 5 December 2013 07: 43 New
    +1
    Israel can be betrayed to achieve this goal
    Is this news to anyone? It was so more than once or twice
    Although Israel is also on its own mind, they would not have put its soldiers for them
    Israel and Russia have a common enemy
    I dare say that the USSR was not against the adoption of a UN resolution on the formation of Israel at that time and at first were friends, only then they moved towards the United States
    So the enemies of my enemy (Arabs) became friends
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 5 December 2013 20: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: Denis
      I dare say that the USSR was not against the adoption of a UN resolution on the formation of Israel at that time and at first were friends, only then they moved towards the United States
      So the enemies of my enemy (Arabs) became friends

      And not vice versa? In the 1950s and 1960s, Israel’s relations with the United States were quite tense. The Sinai War in 1956 had to be stopped literally 5 minutes before the complete defeat of Egypt at the cry of Eisenhower. But if Egypt had been squeezed then, there would have been no wars either in 1967 or 1973. And in 1967, mainly Israel fought with European, in particular, French weapons. This is only later, due to the embargo on supplies imposed by the gay people after the 6-day war, and the break with the USSR and its satellites (mind you, not on the initiative of Israel), Israel did not have alternatives to the United States. Well, America then agreed to be friends with anyone against the USSR.
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 5 December 2013 07: 45 New
    +6
    Something the conclusions of the article are doubtful to me. In addition to the conflict between the two administrations, there are established military, diplomatic and economic ties between the countries, which so far are developing quite well for themselves. And the administration, what is it, that in the US they sit before the election.
    1. Sibiriya
      Sibiriya 6 December 2013 01: 04 New
      0
      Yes, only the US Congress is occupied by Israel, and so all the rules
  • Sunjar
    Sunjar 5 December 2013 07: 55 New
    +3
    The guys got nervous. They feel that in the foreseeable future the United States will have enough of its problems and the Yankees will no longer help them. And here, thanks to the policy pursued over many years, Israel has too many aggressive neighbors nearby. It seems that Israel decided to merge large and give to Muslims for devouring. Palestinians will be delighted ...
  • Sars
    Sars 5 December 2013 08: 08 New
    +2
    There is one truth in the article - the USA is tired (and not afford) of having such an ally as Israel.
    Russia certainly does not need such an ally.
    The only way we can help - with staff - is to relocate all Jews to Israel (not by force, but with thanks for the work done in Russia).
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 5 December 2013 08: 28 New
      +4
      Quote: SarS
      The only way we can help - with staff - is to resettle all Jews in Israel

      Ha! Personnel. Which ones? Yes, in Russia there were only directors, lawyers, leading tsila and other unnecessary things even for Israel.
      So the "iota-von" was baked yesterday. laughing

      By the way, in 33, some already attended to such a relocation (not in the oven) to the historical one.

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawar_Agreement

      So the Jews, instead of gratitude, declared a WAR. Announce and Russia. Muddy people ....
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 5 December 2013 12: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: Ptah
        Yes, in Russia there were only directors, lawyers, leading tsila and other unnecessary things even for Israel.

        But what about the political elite? All in a row, with certificates of honor, and one and the other, our engine is flying forward, there is a stop in Kibbutz .... It is only on a visit back, and strictly on holidays. laughing
  • Ols76
    Ols76 5 December 2013 08: 17 New
    +1
    The United States is ready to abandon Israel, and has already taken the first steps towards this. To prevent the expansion of Shiite Iran, Washington relies on the Sunnis. "...... complete nonsense, no one in the US is going to merge Israel, in 3 years there will be no Obama and the US will again be Israel's main ally ... although in principle he never stopped being.
  • makarov
    makarov 5 December 2013 08: 27 New
    +5
    Politics is a complicated thing.
    Let me give you a popular example:
    A sparrow flew into the winter cold, froze, and fell on the road to die. A man was leading a cow to the fair, passing by a dying bird, the cow piled its "cake" on it. The sparrow warmed up, revived, chirped. A passing cat heard sounds from the heap, pulled out a sparrow, wiped it off, and ... ate it.
    MORALITY:
    1. Not every enemy who has betrayed you.
    2. Not every friend who wiped you from feces.
    3. If the count is in poop, then sit and do not tweet.
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 5 December 2013 08: 35 New
      -1
      Quote: makarov
      folk example

      Hello! good
      If you consider Israel as a sparrow, the cow of Iran, a man of Russia, and America as a cat.
      Then the "cake" is Iranian nuclear weapons? Try "wipe yourself off" here ....
      Only after five hundred years, at least .... laughing
  • Letterksi
    Letterksi 5 December 2013 08: 33 New
    0
    What is written in the article "about cooperation" may well take place. The rotten Russian government has long been a good Israeli "partner." The mere fact that the S-300 complexes were not delivered to Iran speaks volumes. Israel is ready to "selflessly" fight hand in hand with Russia against the Arabs to the last Russian soldier.
    1. atalef
      atalef 5 December 2013 08: 36 New
      0
      Quote: LetterKsi
      Israel is ready to "selflessly" fight hand in hand with Russia against the Arabs to the last Russian soldier

      have we fought together against the Arabs?
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 5 December 2013 13: 28 New
      13
      Quote: LetterKsi
      Israel is ready to "selflessly" fight hand in hand with Russia against the Arabs to the last Russian soldier.


      A reward of one thousand shekels for each captured Arab was announced in a kibbutz near the border. Old Moishe also asks for a rifle. He is told that there are younger men, they are supposed to fight, but he leaves only after he receives an old gun.
      In the evening he drives a hundred captured Arabs and receives one hundred thousand shekels! Mishpoha (relatives) does not give him rest:
      “What will you do with so much money?”
      “You only have to talk with your tongue,” Moyshe answers. “And no one will ask how much it cost them all to buy!”

      Borukh dragged a light machine gun from the Arabs and received fourteen days of vacation. At home, everyone admires his courage.
      - What does courage have to do with it? - Boruch wonders. “I just met one Arab who also wanted a vacation, and we exchanged machine guns ...”

      Brave Arabs! Will you really put up with the fact that wicked Jews and Americans will occupy your lands !?
      Courageous Jews! Do you really allow Islamic terrorists to power in Lebanon and Palestine !?
      Civilized Americans! Boldly bring the light of democracy to the wild Arabs!
      Clever Russians! Shhhhh! We are sitting. We look.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 5 December 2013 14: 57 New
        +2
        Quote: Ascetic
        Brave Arabs! Will you really put up with the fact that wicked Jews and Americans will occupy your lands !?
        Courageous Jews! Do you really allow Islamic terrorists to power in Lebanon and Palestine !?
        Civilized Americans! Boldly bring the light of democracy to the wild Arabs!
        Clever Russians! Shhhhh! We are sitting. We look.


        The funny thing is that all these jokes are composed by Russians 8)
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 5 December 2013 16: 59 New
          +6
          Quote: Pimply
          The funny thing is that all these jokes are composed by Russians


          If there is any particularly thankless task, it is to tell the Jews Jewish jokes: for the most part, they mostly know all the jokes about themselves. It is no coincidence that there is an opinion that Cain just killed his brother Abel for telling him old jokes. In addition, one of the most important distinguishing features of Jewish jokes is the indisputable fact that they are rarely created and told with the goal of mere gnawing - humor for the sake of humor, laughter for the sake of laughter. Jewish jokes almost always carry a social, if not political, connotation. They always arise and diverge on some occasion, reflecting some important phenomena of Jewish life - let it be relations in the family or relations in society. It is difficult to say whether national humor or purely national jokes exist in general, but with regard to Jewish life, this question can most likely be answered positively.


          Jacob Basin, Jerusalem

          M. Gorky even in the early 30s even noticed that
          “No one humiliates the Jews as much as they do themselves — with their jokes”


          Russians do not make jokes about Jews; they make Jewish vodka and drink it with the Jews themselves smile
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 5 December 2013 08: 43 New
    0
    Regardless of the political orientation, every statesman of the country understands that without a strong army and navy, reliable security services, Israel can be overturned at sea at any time.


    Now they are passionate about the paddling pools. Friends, there’s nowhere to go!
    1. atalef
      atalef 5 December 2013 08: 56 New
      +5
      Quote: aszzz888
      Now they are passionate about the paddling pools. Friends, there’s nowhere to go!

      France is an even less reliable partner than anyone, anyone who can believe the French at all - the field is even a flood to me - it came from them. No one takes France seriously in Israel, much less believes
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  • regdan
    regdan 5 December 2013 09: 36 New
    +2
    And why not Israel begin to establish contacts with Iran. For so many years in one region they live and look at each other with hatred all the time. Maybe Israel will be the first to make at least neutral contact with Iran. Hit as they say in the United States below the belt. Iran is unlikely to turn its nose if Israel wants to find a common language with Iran. It will somehow not look logical and the Ayatollahs well understand that the whole world will observe this with interest. The new president of Iran congratulated all Jews on the New Year. The thread of friendship seems to be thrown, now it’s Israel’s turn to make it clear what kind of peace they are in the region.
    1. ReifA
      ReifA 5 December 2013 12: 39 New
      +6
      Before Ayatol came to power, Iran was a friend of Israel. Israel helped build an international airport in Tehran, if not mistaken.
      1. Angry reader
        Angry reader 5 December 2013 14: 28 New
        +3
        Shah Reza Pahlavi was a friend of the United States and Israel, probably you wanted to write this?))
  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 5 December 2013 09: 46 New
    +2
    That the author is Jewish is understandable even without a signature after the words about the hordes of barbarians, betrayal and other crap, the article is negative, it was not necessary to beat 50 years of the so-called barbarians on the head, that they planted it and collect it.
  • pensioner
    pensioner 5 December 2013 09: 48 New
    +4
    Right now the Professor will come and say: "Do not read Soviet newspapers!"
  • major071
    major071 5 December 2013 10: 28 New
    +6
    Israel started playing its games. The policy "both ours and yours" has borne fruit. It is impossible to hang out from side to side all your life, when you have to choose with whom to be friends "as an adult."
  • 222222
    222222 5 December 2013 10: 34 New
    +6
    Israel is trying to find a replacement for the United States
    ..so much cannot be amused ...
    Rothschilds and Rockefellers rule the world ..
    Israel is just trying to rip off Geneva -2 ...
    1. atalef
      atalef 5 December 2013 13: 09 New
      -1
      Quote: 222222
      Israel is trying to find a replacement for the United States
      ..so much cannot be amused ...
      Rothschilds and Rockefellers rule the world ..
      Israel is just trying to rip off Geneva -2 ...

      Oh, it’s for sure for us on the drum. Will Geneva or not - the war will not end there
      1. 222222
        222222 5 December 2013 13: 21 New
        +4
        atalef (3) Israel..Today, 13:09 ↑ New
        This is exactly what we don't care about. Geneva or not - the war will not stop there "
        Cunning ... Will Iran have a nuclear club, it’s not for you to drum .. Yes, even with the rapprochement between the USA and Iran ..
        How many nuclear-80 bombs do you have? 100 ? or already for more?
        And on the other hand, if you don’t throw it, it’s beneficial for you in the region .. You can brew such things in troubled waters. Yes, help from Heaven falls .. Freebie, pliz ... Al am wrong?
        1. atalef
          atalef 5 December 2013 13: 56 New
          -1
          Quote: 222222
          Cunning ... Will Iran have a nuclear club, this is not for you to drum ..

          Not on the drum, but what does Geneva have to do with it?

          Quote: 222222
          Yes, even with the rapprochement between the United States and Iran

          Hurry up slowly . If Iran gets closer to the US, then it will be a completely different Iran
          Quote: 222222
          How many nuclear-80 bombs do you have? 100 ? or already for more

          Maybe more
          Quote: 222222
          And on the other hand, if you don’t throw it, it’s beneficial for you in the region

          Of course, especially when our enemies are fighting
          Quote: 222222
          Yes, help from Heaven falls .. Freebie, pliz ... Al wrong?

          You are mistaken, you would have such a freebie laughing
          1. 222222
            222222 5 December 2013 14: 09 New
            +2
            atalef (3) Israel..Today,
            1. If Iran gets closer to the United States, it will be a completely different Iran / "
            And what? At one time such a platonic love was between them .. And what did it lead to?
            2. "You're wrong, you should have such a freebie .."
            “Tell me, Shura, honestly, how much money do you need to be happy?” Asked Ostap. “Just count everything.
            “One hundred rubles,” Balaganov answered, regretfully tearing himself away from bread and sausage.
            “No, you don’t understand me.” Not today, but in general. For happiness. Clear? To make you feel good in the world.
            Balaganov thought for a long time, smiling timidly, and finally announced that for complete happiness he needed six thousand four hundred rubles and that with this amount he would be very good in the world ... "Really, it looks like?
            So how much do you need for complete happiness .. in general, for happiness?
            1. atalef
              atalef 5 December 2013 14: 28 New
              -1
              Quote: 222222
              And what? At one time such a platonic love was between them .. And what did it lead to?

              Everything passing, we fought with Egypt and Jordan. Passing
              Quote: 222222
              So how much do you need for complete happiness .. in general, for happiness?

              Well, you all the same have so much not, and consider in your pocket --- it will be easier to live. We are without US assistance - (which does not reach 2.5% of the budget) - we will certainly live
              Garfinkle concludes in an article that Israel, as a country with a strong economy and army, no longer needs the custody of the United States and American Jews and their money; on the contrary, American Jews are increasingly in need of Israel.

              Read the ascetic - he will not teach bad
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 5 December 2013 14: 30 New
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                Quote: atalef
                We are without US assistance - (which does not reach 2.5% of the budget) - we will certainly live

                And without German reparations? How much do they pay you there? laughing
                1. atalef
                  atalef 5 December 2013 14: 33 New
                  0
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  And without German reparations? How much do they pay you there?

                  Igoryanich, do not slow down, find out the meaning of the word reparation
                  Then they pay pensions - you know perfectly well to whom and for what. As well as prisoners of camps in other countries - including Russia.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 5 December 2013 15: 28 New
                    +2
                    Quote: atalef
                    find out the meaning of the word repair

                    Yes, it seems like I recently changed the brakes. request
                    Agreement on reparations between Germany and Israel (German: Luxemburger Abkommen, Heb. הסכם השִׁילּוּמִים) - signed on September 10, 1952
                    Can you replace the brakes too? laughing
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 5 December 2013 17: 42 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Yes, it seems like I recently changed the brakes.

                      You planted a counterfeit
                      On September 10, 1952, an agreement was signed under which Germany was to pay 3 billion marks in commodity form to Israel over a 14-year period. Funds were invested in fixed assets, playing an important role in the formation of the Israeli economy. Payments were completed in 1965 year.[3]

                      14 years have passed not just a long time ago. and so long ago that then neither you nor I was even in the project
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Maybe you should also replace the brakes

                      Igoryanich, you won’t catch me on this, I can read, but I didn’t bring the whole quote in vain. Although it’s clear why. laughing
                      It’s foolish to say that the USSR lived off reparations
                      According to the data of the Main Trophy Directorate published by Russian researchers Mikhail Semiryaga and Boris Knyshevsky in the 1990 years, about 400 thousand railway cars, including 72 thousand construction material cars, 2885 plants, 96 power plants, 340 thousand, were exported from Germany to the USSR machine tools, 200 thousand electric motors, 1 million 335 thousand livestock, 2,3 million tons of grain, million tons of potatoes and vegetables, half a million tons of fat and sugar, 20 million liters of alcohol, 16 tons of tobacco. Telescopes from the Humboldt University Astronomical Observatory, Berlin subway cars and cruise liners were brought to the USSR. In particular, in 1950, the Compressor Plant [1], which is being built in Krasnodar, was equipped with confiscated technological, energy and lifting equipment from Germany. In the city of Kemerovo, at the enterprise KOAO Azot, to this day, captured trophy compressors 1947 manufactured by the Schwarzkopf company are used.

                      At the Central Telephone Station in Moscow, the numbers of which began at “222” and which served, inter alia, the Central Committee of the CPSU, until the 1980-s the equipment of the telephone center of the Reich Chancellery was used. According to historian and economist Gavriil Popov, even the eavesdropping technique used by the Soviet state security after the war was of German origin.

                      According to the German side, in Russia and the CIS countries there are currently about 200 of thousands of museum exhibits taken out after the war, two million books and three kilometers of archive folders.

                      60 thousand grand pianos, 460 thousand radio sets, 190 thousand rugs, 940 thousand pieces of furniture, 265 thousand wall and table clocks, which were mainly distributed for a small fee between Soviet nomenclature orders and were officially confiscated from residents of the Soviet zone of occupation of Germany senior officers. The documents of the trophy department also include 1,2 million male and female coats, 1 million headgear and 186 wine carriages.
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 5 December 2013 18: 02 New
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                        Quote: atalef
                        14 years have passed not just a long time ago. and so long ago that then neither you nor I was even in the project

                        And I heard that after the reunification of Germany, payments resumed. hi
                      2. atalef
                        atalef 5 December 2013 18: 07 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        And I heard that after the reunification of Germany, payments resumed.

                        No, brother, you don’t play these games with me, I’ll ask for a link to the document (and you know it) so that I think the issue of reparitions was closed, to our mutual pleasure hi
                      3. Ptah
                        Ptah 5 December 2013 20: 35 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        after the reunification of Germany, payments resumed.

                        Quote: atalef (3)
                        Not , brother , you don’t play these games with me, I’ll ask for a link to the document (and you know it) so that I think the issue of reparitions was closed, to our mutual pleasure


                        In how you are not childish. laughing

                        Forgive me for looking into your boudoir, but I’ll clarify something.

                        Germany finished reparations for the first world, having paid the last tranche of 70 million euros only on October 3 of 2010 of the year.
                        Following the reunification of Germany, negotiations were held between the Conference and the German government regarding the restitution of Jewish property. The sale brought $ 250 million, and in 1993, a program was established that provided for monthly payments. As of the end of 1998, more than 41 thousand people became recipients. In total, more than 1,5 billion marks were paid under these two programs as of 1998.
                        The 1998 Conference held talks with the German government on compensation to citizens of Central and East. Europe, as well as the former USSR. The program began to operate with 1.01.99, Germany allocated 200 million marks for its implementation.

                        In 2008, Jews who survived the siege of Leningrad were equated with Holocaust victims and upon presentation of documents receive a one-time payment of 2556 euros. Russian to the "victims of the Holocaust" is not equated.

                        communitarian.ru/publikacii/mirovaya_istoriya/germanskie_reperatsii_po_pervoy_i_


                        vtoroy_mirovym_voynam /


                        Why is Germany funding the killing of Palestinians?
                        Germany, to a large extent participated in the arming of Israel through payments to this country. Of course, not by the will of the German people. But the country is in occupation.
                        In addition, the import of Israeli goods is subsidized by customs exemptions. The fact that Israel does not raise pigeons of the world at all with this money is known to everyone.


                        perevodika.ru/articles/8856.html

                        Let us imagine that the Russians would present an account to their murderers of Jewish nationality. The whole "race" or there "all the people", whatever. The number of victims of the "Civil" war (coup) is estimated at 10-15 (?) Million people. We will take, of course, the maximum figure, we will inflate it well: let it be 30 million. Let Israel pay for the property of all these people, wasted, wasted and put into a “flash revolution” by “commissars in dusty helmets”. If there is no exact information about any of the victims, the community receives his property. Specifically, a certain organization behind the community and acting on its behalf. There was such a Congress of Russian Communities (KRO). This is the kind of community that should receive compensation for all the property of all 30 (at least) million Russians.

                        antisionizm.info/Ideya-evreyskih-reparatsiy-ili-chisto-evreyskiy-biznes-na-nepro


                        litoy-krovi-303.html
                      4. atalef
                        atalef 5 December 2013 21: 24 New
                        +1
                        Following the reunification of Germany, negotiations were held between the Conference and the German government regarding the restitution of Jewish property. The sale brought $ 250 million, and in 1993, a program was established that provided for monthly payments. As of the end of 1998, more than 41 thousand people became recipients. In total, more than 1,5 billion marks were paid under these two programs as of 1998.

                        You compare warm to wet
                        Reparations and restitution are as far apart as heaven and earth
                        Reparations are paid to the state, restitution is the return of property, therefore it is paid as a rule to descendants, and not demanded property (Jews who died all), by decision of the German government, it was sold and went to the pension fund of prisoners of concentration camps and ghettos.
                        Why did this happen after the reunification of Germany - just Germany - has long returned the property of the Jews, In East Germany, Jews lived the same way before the war, just socialist Germany, as it did not bother about the return of property to their rightful owners, after the reunification of the pr-in Germany restored justice as much as she could. Therefore, money was received by private individuals, not the state.
                        I clearly explained?


                        Quote: Ptah
                        Why is Germany funding the killing of Palestinians?
                        Germany, to a large extent participated in the arming of Israel through payments to this country

                        Why did the USSR. Russia finance the killing of Israeli citizens and Russian citizens of Israeli residents - through the armament of the Arab countries * Or was there a secret for someone where it would go?

                        Quote: Ptah
                        For the property of all these people, devoured, squandered and put up for “instant revolution” by “commissars in dusty helmets”, let Israel pay.

                        Yes ? It is interesting, or maybe just return to the owners, their descendants still live in Russia and abroad. Let's start with the confiscated valuables (gokhran and the diamond fund), we will continue with apartments and estates, well, we will end up with lands (confiscated commies) and nowhere else from Russia. Can we start small, with ourselves? Or do you want to rip off from Israel which then generally simply did not exist?
                        Let's give land to landowners and peasants, factories to manufacturers, values ​​to bankers --- or are they not owners of values, or is it not in Russia yet?
                        Yes, when returning, please do not forget about the apartment on Zagorodny Prospekt in St. Petersburg, which before the revolution belonged to my family (on the maternal side) was confiscated and divided into 18 communal apartments and where Comrade Nina (youngest daughter) survived the Revolution, the Blockade and finally got a separate living area only in the late 80s. By the way, as it should be - the bourgeoisie was settled in the first room from the front door and I remember her perfectly. I will look forward to
                2. Revolver
                  Revolver 5 December 2013 20: 34 New
                  0
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Yes, it seems like I recently changed the brakes.

                  And you did not drink it by the hour by mistake? laughing
                  That just should not have been done. stop
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 5 December 2013 20: 41 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Nagan
                    And you didn’t drink it for an hour by mistake

                    Judging by the fact that we still communicate, I did not drink. laughing Prefer other drinks. Zhiguli for example, the present. In the states, I guess you can’t buy it? Or vodka with light-salted cucumber, and bacon and garlic. Well, drooling? lol
                  2. Revolver
                    Revolver 5 December 2013 21: 31 New
                    0
                    There is such a thing here as Russian shops, and in them there is either a drinks department, or even a separate store nearby selling pure alcohol. Well, for example, in Brooklyn there is a standard Russian store "Lyudmila" at 1677 McDonald Ave, Brooklyn, NY, and next to it, 1675, is a Ruslan wine and vodka, and both belong to the same owner. So, in Ruslan there is both Zhigulevskoye, and Baltika, and a not sickly set of Georgian, Moldavian, Crimean wines, Armenian cognacs, and Russian vodka, this is not counting the local assortment. drinks
                    And in Ludmila, there was fat and pickled cucumbers, and Baltic sprats, and everything else that was in short supply in Soviet times. And to the left (in the photo did not fit), the Grevico bakery, owned by the same owner, and there they bake real rye brick on Soviet equipment. In Lyudmila, you can buy it still hot. Well, drooling? lol



                    True, I have not been to Brooklyn for a long time, but there are similar shops in my town, well, the truth is not as spectacular as Ruslan and Lyudmila are nearby.
                  3. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 5 December 2013 22: 05 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Nagan
                    Well, drooling? lol
                    A warm black hump, a piece of bacon, and a foggy glass ... I bought it, it started to flow. good
                    although about Zhigulevsky I would argue. It is unlikely that you have a real Zhigulevskoe. After all, it was created by the German Von Wakano, he also built a brewery in Samara. And now the real Zhigulevskoe is brewed only "at the bottom". hi
                  4. Revolver
                    Revolver 5 December 2013 22: 30 New
                    0
                    It turns out that I didn’t try the real Zhigulevsky even then, since all I drank was the Leningrad spill. But it turns out, it was necessary Kuibyshevsky, well, but he still did not happen in Leningrad. But, I dare to assure you, and the Leningrad Zhigulevskoye did not go badly, it happened that they used to drawers under the hell with drawers.
                    There is beer for all tastes, but there is no one to sit there to paint a bullet, that company of my student youth was so scattered around the world that we are unlikely to gather in that line-up. request
    2. 222222
      222222 5 December 2013 14: 49 New
      0
      atalef (3) IL Today, 14: 28 ↑
      Israel, as a state with a strong economy and an army, no longer needs the custody of the United States and American Jews and their money, on the contrary, American Jews need Israel more and more. "
      Do you yourself believe this informational stuffing of America and Israel ??
      Without the power of America, how long will the state of Israel last? Just don’t bother too much, it’s harmful to digestion ... ... 24 hours .. a day? or a week?
      1. atalef
        atalef 5 December 2013 15: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: 222222
        Do you yourself believe this informational stuffing of America and Israel ??

        I not only believe, I know. Without economic assistance (more precisely, military) since there is no economic assistance (and only military - non-cash for the purchase of American weapons) we will live 100%, without political - it is unlikely. Arabs will kill us at the UN
        Quote: 222222
        Without the power of America, how long will the state of Israel last? Just don’t bother too much, it’s harmful to digestion ... ... 24 hours .. a day? or a week?

        It’s long and very, but it will be difficult. We don’t ask for help from Russia, we don’t owe it a penny and we don’t live at the expense of Russian taxpayers - unlike Syria.
        Would you mind?
        1. 222222
          222222 5 December 2013 16: 02 New
          0
          atalef (3) IL Today, 14: 28 ↑
          they don’t owe her a penny and we don’t live at the expense of Russian taxpayers - unlike Syria itself.
          .. eggs in the face and they also look different in profile ..
          May 14, 1948 to 2003 - The number of repatriates to Israel from the USSR and the CIS is 1 people ..without a fee .. but they’ve taken it with them ..
          .... or not ??? So . how much did you succeed ...?
          http://www.eleven.co.il/article/11732
          1. atalef
            atalef 5 December 2013 17: 46 New
            0
            Quote: 222222
            May 14, 1948 to 2003 - The number of repatriates to Israel from the USSR and the CIS is 1 people ..without a fee .. but they’ve taken it with them .. .... or not ??? So . as much as I could

            Do you already have grandmothers for every head?
            They took their own with you, yours was definitely not in my 20 bucks and two suitcases wassat
            1. 222222
              222222 5 December 2013 17: 58 New
              +1
              atalef (3) IL Today, 14: 28 ↑
              They brought their own with them, "" "...
              recently, on a zombie’s TV box, an old and wise Jew, fucked up by the Soviet authorities .. told how he took out .. PLATINUM upon his departure to his original homeland .. They made nails from platinum and drove furniture instead of iron nails .. There is no limit to resourcefulness .. Intermission! !!
              Just do not understand, it seems, platinum was not in private circulation ??
              by the way, about suitcases .. don’t hesitate how spiritually didn’t replace nails?
            2. Igor39
              Igor39 5 December 2013 18: 11 New
              +3
              The Jews were helped to survive the war (my grandmother personally told me how they saved Jewish children in the Grodno region, taking them into their families when the Germans knocked out an adult), allowed them to fight against the Germans, made it possible to live in the USSR and multiply, receive free education, medicine, work for in any enterprises. And as a token of gratitude, they fled, taking with them as much as they could. As it is called, if not betrayal, you don’t need to make any friends with them, only use and quit when you don’t need them, otherwise.
            3. atalef
              atalef 5 December 2013 18: 13 New
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              Quote: Igor39
              The Jews were helped to survive the war (my grandmother personally told me how they saved Jewish children in the Grodno region, taking them into their families when the Germans knocked out an adult), allowed them to fight against the Germans, made it possible to live in the USSR and multiply, receive free education, medicine, work for in any enterprises. And as a token of gratitude, they fled, taking with them as much as they could. What is called if not a betrayal, you don’t have to make any friends with them, just use and quit when you don’t need them, otherwise

              D.B.I.L. (may the moderators forgive me)
            4. Igor39
              Igor39 5 December 2013 18: 45 New
              +3
              Well, I did not expect another answer from you laughing
            5. atalef
              atalef 5 December 2013 19: 21 New
              0
              Quote: Igor39
              Well, I did not expect another answer from you

              glad . what do you know what it is about. laughing
            6. Igor39
              Igor39 5 December 2013 19: 50 New
              -2
              Of course I know, your whole tribe is such a treacherous yes
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 5 December 2013 10: 52 New
    +3
    Contacted a Jew, you can immediately give everything that is and throw yourself under the train. Otherwise it will be all the same just still and make fun of the track.
    1. atalef
      atalef 5 December 2013 17: 47 New
      0
      Quote: chunga-changa
      Contacted a Jew, you can immediately give everything that is and throw yourself under the train.

      Same thing to me, Anna Karenina laughing
      1. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 5 December 2013 22: 11 New
        +3
        How sweet. Immediately right there - the same to you, literally out of the blue.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 5 December 2013 11: 21 New
    +5
    Stalin, creating Israel, had wise plans for centuries. But the greedy and stupid gopota who had to be appointed "leaders of the Zionist movement" could not assimilate into their little heads anything that was conceived by one of the greatest politicians in the world. Their thinking was simple, as simple as a bandit raid would need, and as effective. That helped in a short time to create a toothy, tough, vicious bandit country.
    But what does the bandit end with? Pahan, a thief in law still have a chance to die in old age, suffocating from their own anger. What about a bandit hijacker? He will certainly be killed! Either the law, or completely angry terpils. In addition, forced to constantly fight to protect the loot, Israel cultivates a warrior - smart, strong, skilled. He generously pays, develops, teaches, treats ... This will not be especially forgiven to Jews, this is completely contrary to the Western view of the future of mankind.
    According to Stalin's plan, a federation was to arise in the Arab world. Under the leadership of smart and skillful Jews, a center of gravity was to arise, into which all Arabs would be drawn, ready to stop banditrying or hopelessly smoke in poverty and also become smart, skillful ... There was a huge chance for the whole East. But a mono-national gang, tearing off territory after territory with machine guns and cannons, killing whoever it wants, arrogantly and with complete contempt bases the territorial claims of the "chosen people" before the wild natives, fundamentally not equal to the "chosen ones," on a religious book ... Israel will be destroyed. And when that happens, the world will be a little better. So it is in vain that Netanyahu rides here. Russia simply cannot support Israel, this is not our path.
    1. ReifA
      ReifA 5 December 2013 12: 42 New
      +4
      Well, yes, in the 48th as soon as Israel arose, all Arabs, including parts of Israel, immediately rushed to organize the federation. Jews, towards the sea.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 5 December 2013 14: 57 New
      -3
      Stalin did not create Israel, dear.
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 5 December 2013 15: 19 New
        +1
        Alas, alas ... Stalin was the only force capable of such a thing. Jews were the least suitable for the creation of Israel smile No one less than the Jews believed in this project. In general, try to understand honestly. Purely for yourself, through pain and reluctance. I'm sorry, but ...

        But the Arabs had a great civilization. Until they miscalculated her, carried away by captures and banditry. That is, potentially one of them could turn out ... What a power could arise! What a great, powerful, peaceful and beautiful country! Oh ...
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 6 December 2013 00: 14 New
          +1
          Quote: Mikhail3
          Alas, alas ... Stalin was the only force capable of such a thing. Jews were the least suitable for the creation of Israel. Nobody believed in this project less than Jews. In general, try to understand honestly. Purely for yourself, through pain and reluctance. I'm sorry, but ...

          Of course, the Zionist movement, 60 years of preparation for this, the army, scientific institutes, the judicial system, the system of taxes and fees, etc., have nothing to do with it. 8) The fact that the USSR, one of many, voted at the UN is, of course, entertaining, but not decisive. As well as the supply of Czech aircraft and weapons. Weapons came from dozens of places, and there was an alternative to aircraft, for example, in Mexico.
  • olviko
    olviko 5 December 2013 11: 34 New
    +5
    "If Israel Needs a Foreign Patron"

    It will not work to replace the United States with Russia, 3-4 billion dollars of aid per year + unlimited military, political and diplomatic support - Russia will not be able to pull it off. And is it worth the candle, as an ally, Israel is no less reliable than the Arabs - these comrades are from the same clan-tribe, the same mentality. At one time with Egypt, Russia, represented by the USSR, received a good lesson in "gratitude."
    The USA is forced to leave for the Asia-Pacific region, there is their main enemy. America simply does not have the ability to dominate everywhere. But they apparently leave with the understanding that in the next decade and a half, the United States has nothing to worry about its position in the Middle East - there is simply no force that can adequately replace them. God forbid Iran and Russia to sort out their problems, but if something happens it will be possible to start a new war or stir up another "spring". By the way, for this, just Israel will do, there are masters of this business. And after Obama leaves, the wind can blow into Israel's sails, the Jewish lobby in the United States, too, I think, is not sleeping.
  • PDM80
    PDM80 5 December 2013 11: 38 New
    +4
    with such friends and enemies is not necessary
  • major071
    major071 5 December 2013 11: 58 New
    12
    Anecdote:
    Obama invited Israel to return the territories seized from the Arabs.
    Israel promised to do this as soon as the United States returns Texas to Mexico, Alaska to Russia, and the rest of the territory to the Indians.
    And indeed, the president of the British colony is not fit to speak without the permission of the queen.
  • major071
    major071 5 December 2013 12: 07 New
    12
    Pensioner
    Right now the Professor will come and say: "Do not read Soviet newspapers!"

    From Soviet humor:
    The teacher asks Vovochka:
    -Vovochka, who lives in America?
    -In the Americans!
    -Correctly! And in France?
    -French people!
    -Correctly! But who lives in Israel?
    - The Israelites, the French ... I don’t know ...
    -That’s for you, Vovochka’s homework, ask mom at home who
    lives in Israel, you’ll come tomorrow and tell the whole class.
    A trace has come. day. Little Johnny again called to the board ..
    -Vovochka, so who lives in Israel?
    -DARK !!!
    -How dwarfs ?! Did you ask mom ??
    -I asked ...
    -And what did she say!
    - "Yes, I do not care!" Well, I figured it out ... - meter ten - meter
    twenty...
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 5 December 2013 12: 57 New
      +3
      laughing hi Thank!! Oh, how many only and what kind of jokes I have not heard about Jews, but I have not heard that. He laughed well! good Mushrooms probably told, right? Good afternoon! hi
      1. major071
        major071 5 December 2013 13: 26 New
        +7
        Kind! hi No, I left the mushrooms before the New Year. otherwise the flight leaves. Just a good mood. laughing
    2. Angry reader
      Angry reader 5 December 2013 14: 26 New
      +1
      ... Why, within the meaning))))))
  • Ascetic
    Ascetic 5 December 2013 12: 15 New
    +6
    Adam Garfinkle, editor of The American Interest, notes with concern the general tendency for Washington’s interest in an alliance with Israel to decline. According to Garfinkle, an increase in anti-Israeli sentiment can be observed even in US Democratic Partysince Franklin Roosevelt is the political home of the vast majority of American Jews. The loss of the former strategic proximity between the United States and Israel leads to widening US-Jewish differences and differences between America, Jewry and Israel.
    “It is entirely possible,” the expert believes, “that we have witnessed an intermediate stage of the death spiral, when the more the community wants to hold onto its image of the Israeli state, as well as the sacrificial image of the Holocaust sufferer, the more harm it does to itself. Therefore, as it seems to me, the triangle collapses
    [USA - World Jewry - Israel).
    link
    Garfinkle concludes in an article that Israel, as a country with a strong economy and army, no longer needs the custody of the United States and American Jews and their money; on the contrary, American Jews are increasingly in need of Israel.
    At the same time, American congressmen and senators who are members of the AIPAC, lobbying for Israeli interests in the United States, prepared a package of sanctions against Iran, which are proposed to immediately enter into force in the event that agreements between the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Big Six are not implemented. In addition, several pro-Israeli congressmen are ready to introduce bills to both houses of the US Congress in the near future, calling for tougher sanctions against Iran.
    Israeli Debka writes in this connection referring to the former CIA director Michael Hayden and the ex-chief of the Israeli AMAN, who claim that Iran has already overcome the nuclear threshold and is ready to "produce several nuclear warheads in a matter of weeks." In their opinion, the requirements for further denuclearization of Iran should be significantly tightened.
    link
    And the Director of the Begin Sadat Israeli Strategic Research Center, Efraim Inbar, who recently published a report on Israel’s decisive military superiority over neighboring Arab countries combined, believes that Israel’s unilateral strike against Iran is completely dangerous for Israel, but will bring significant “ operational and political success. ” He proceeds from the fact that Jordan and Saudi Arabia will not only not protest against the flight of Israeli aircraft through its territory to strike Iran, but will also assist the Israeli Air Force. Iran’s response, in his opinion, will not be effective. He believes that there is no need to fear serious international protest either, as indicated, in particular, by the previous reaction to Israel’s attacks on nuclear facilities in Iraq and Syria.
    link
    Here, in the article, he briefly assesses Israel’s military potential, international implications, and concludes the historical need for victory in the war for Israel.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 5 December 2013 12: 42 New
      10
      As for Russia. Recently Netanyu gave an interview to Brilev and Pozner, where he urged not to trust Iran and not go to the lifting of sanctions.
      "Tehran did not cross the red line that it drew in front of the UN General Assembly, but they acted more cunningly. They accumulated several tons of low-enriched uranium, from which about 45 bombs can be made, and then built centrifuges, including an advanced type. This will allow them to enrich their reserves. uranium to weapons grade - up to 90%, not up to 20%. And they can reach this level in a matter of weeks. "

      Yevgeny Primakov, commenting on this position, noted that "
      Netanyahu stands on the fact that it is necessary to pressurize Iran, but this should not be done in any case "
      “I liked that he (Netanyahu) somewhat avoided answering the question of whether Israel is ready to strike Iran. He spoke directly about this before. a strike on Iran will lead to such consequences, from which we will get out for many years to come. ",

      Here the position of Russia is clear, because Iran, whatever it may be, AT THIS MOMENT, is opposed to the spread of Sunni Wahhabism in the region, which is actively annoying Russia, and let’s say the same Hezbollah is not recognized by Russia as a terrorist organization in the United States and Israel. chaos and war will not seem little to anyone. but the strengthening of Iran, and even more so the possession of nuclear weapons, is extremely dangerous given the fact that these weapons will threaten Russia as well. Secondly, this will lead to a chain reaction when the same SA and Egypt want to have their own deterrent potential. ... Yes, and in Turkey, according to some information, an American TNW in the form of 90 B-61 aviation atomic bombs at the Incirlik base is deployed. So we need to keep our eye on Iran, it is unprofitable for us both a military solution (behind which Israel stands) and Iran's possession of nuclear weapons.
  • vinni
    vinni 5 December 2013 12: 52 New
    0
    In my opinion, Israel could significantly strengthen its position by strengthening and expanding its interaction with Russia. For example, to agree with Russia on the creation of a large Russian military base on its territory (with the corresponding status, of course) ... Such an unexpected move would have knocked the ground out from under the feet of the hostile "players." Ideally, it would be possible to establish strong military-technical cooperation, especially since no special problems are expected here - that our military-industrial complex, that theirs - the same people did ... That would be a really political move !!!
    1. atalef
      atalef 5 December 2013 13: 13 New
      0
      Quote: vinni
      In my opinion, Israel could significantly strengthen its position

      Yes, we are not so bad

      Quote: vinni
      agree with Russia on the creation on its territory of a large Russian military base (with the corresponding status, of course) ...

      what for ?
      1. vinni
        vinni 5 December 2013 13: 29 New
        +2
        The presence of such an object would calm many hotheads around the country ... After all, one cannot fail to see the obvious - a series of "color" revolutions in the Middle East launched by the West did not lead to anything good, on the contrary, contributed to an even greater radicalization of the already militant Islamic world .. ...
        Actually, it is necessary, as one well-known character from "Operation Y" said, "... to watch more ..." It is not for nothing that statements about the interest of Iran, Turkey and others in the Customs Union and the SCO have appeared ...
    2. mirag2
      mirag2 9 December 2013 07: 17 New
      0
      childishly naive
  • Keeper
    Keeper 5 December 2013 13: 14 New
    +1
    If Israel loses such an ally as the United States, there will be nothing left for it but to curry favor with Russia!
    It is another matter that the Israeli goal alone will not be enough for "playing football" ... Russia knows what it can offer Israel! But what will Israel offer ?! Medicine? Dead Sea? or free admission to Calvary? ...
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 5 December 2013 18: 12 New
      +5
      Quote: Keeper
      But what will Israel offer ?!

      Antichrist, and in any case.
      1. atalef
        atalef 5 December 2013 18: 15 New
        -1
        Quote: Ivan.
        Quote: Keeper
        But what will Israel offer ?!

        Antichrist, and in any case.

        Well, what you don’t offer, in Moldova they’ll drink all the same laughing
        1. Ivan.
          Ivan. 5 December 2013 18: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          Well, what you don’t offer, in Moldova they’ll drink all the same

          Well, if anything worthwhile ... why not. In fact, they don't drink much here. I bought "Bouquet of Moldavia" in the summer and still haven't tried it, I tried it before as a child, but I don't remember the taste - it was a long time ago.
  • 31231
    31231 5 December 2013 14: 21 New
    +4
    The article is sucked out of nothing. One can hardly believe that Israel will do without the United States.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 5 December 2013 15: 10 New
      -4
      Until 1969, he managed.
  • 006 Feliks
    006 Feliks 5 December 2013 14: 56 New
    +1
    A typical American response in the event of a rollover of its allies:NOTHING PERSONAL IS ONLY ONLY BUSINESS! hi
  • antibanukurayza
    antibanukurayza 5 December 2013 15: 14 New
    0
    "Does Russia have allies in the Sunni world?" - the author asks and immediately says "No!"
    And what does he know about Sunni Islam? Is it radical? So, after all, there are also radical movements among Shiites! And Tatarstan that you are not Sunni? Are all Russian Muslims who adhere to universally recognized madhhabs not Sunnis? And the author thinks that God forbid, tomorrow a big mess will happen and the Tatars will go against Russia? Bullshit! In a religious conflict, Russia needs to rely on the Sunni majority of its Muslim population adhering to traditional Islam. The only way.
    1. atalef
      atalef 5 December 2013 15: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: antibanukuraza
      Are all Russian Muslims who adhere to universally recognized madhhabs not Sunnis?

      It was about the states of BV - this is understandable. where does the Muslims of Russia. Moreover, they have no influence on the Sunni world and cannot
  • lukke
    lukke 5 December 2013 15: 33 New
    0
    Sunni fundamentalists are the main weapons of the United States in the fight against Syria, Iran, Russia, China and, in the long run, against Turkey and Pakistan
    maybe there is such a thing as "Islamo-fascism", radicalism?
  • Arkan
    Arkan 5 December 2013 18: 04 New
    +3
    We need a Jew to us, like a hare stop signal. Let them understand their problems themselves, they are, like, the chosen ones.
  • Yankuz
    Yankuz 5 December 2013 18: 46 New
    -1
    If Russia and Israel finally erase all the irregularities in politics and relations as a nation, then personally I will only be glad of this. There are bad people everywhere, but there are many more good people in Israel! Our compatriots live there! It is compatriots both in culture and in spirit - the same citizens of the Russian Federation! We must not forget about it!
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    2. Ivan.
      Ivan. 5 December 2013 19: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: Yankuz
      If Russia and Israel finally erase all the irregularities in politics and relations as a nation,

      That will be the death of Russia.
      Quote: Yankuz
      but there are more good people there in Israel!

      As long as they are under Judaism, Kagal, Zionism, they will crucify Christ at every opportunity and it does not matter how many good people there are. They are inculcating around the world for a long time the atheistic values ​​and ideas of ecumenism, feminism, the rights of the Sax minorities, egoism-individualism, and consumption. Almost completely seized real power in all countries - globalism is on the verge, the information society and total electronic control will be a reality tomorrow.
      Quote: Yankuz
      It is compatriots both in culture and in spirit - the same citizens of the Russian Federation! We must not forget about it!

      We have not forgotten how they changed the "r.shku" and "s.vok" to the "beautiful" life of the "civilized" countries, and they dumped it.
      1. atalef
        atalef 5 December 2013 19: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: Ivan.
        will crucify Christ at every opportunity

        Quote: Ivan.
        feminism, Sax minority rights, egoism-individualism, consumerism

        Why am I not surprised that so many jokes went about Moldavians?
        Three Moldovans are playing.

        Yakubovich thinks out the word "Musical instrument of seven letters"

        and asks the first to spin the drum and name the letter

        What does he say?

        - The letter a"

        - Sorry, there is no such letter! - and asks the next to make his move.

        He spins the drum and calls the letter:

        - The letter a"

        - Sorry, but you are inattentively playing, this letter has already been named

        The next one spins the drum and claims to want to name the whole word

        Yakubovich naturally dissuades him, but he is implacable:

        - So the word.
        - BARABAN - player responds
        1. Ivan.
          Ivan. 5 December 2013 19: 54 New
          +4
          Quote: atalef
          about Moldovans there were so many jokes

          And about these, about the chosen fewer?
  • Christian
    Christian 5 December 2013 18: 50 New
    -3
    Russia is interested in the destruction of Israel as a breeding ground for Jewish fascism.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 6 December 2013 01: 48 New
      -3
      Quote: Christian
      Russia is interested in the destruction of Israel as a breeding ground for Jewish fascism.

      They survived Nebuchadnezzar, Rome survived, the Inquisition and Hitler survived, well, we will definitely survive you.
  • Stasi
    Stasi 5 December 2013 19: 51 New
    +4
    The USA is not going anywhere from Israel; there is a very strong and influential Israeli lobby which consists of many organizations supporting the interests of Israel. But the main problem of the existence of the Jewish state is demography. And it is very unfavorable for the Jews: the number of Arabs far exceeds the number of the Jewish population. Arafat once stated in his speeches that the Palestinians would take Israel not by arms, but by reproduction. That is what the Arabs do.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 5 December 2013 21: 00 New
      +3
      Quote: Stasi
      Arafat once stated in his speeches that the Palestinians would take Israel not by arms, but by reproduction.

      He said this much more flowery, such as that their most invincible weapon is the Arab Palestinian vagina. laughing
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 5 December 2013 20: 01 New
    +4
    Quote: Christian
    Russia is interested in the destruction of Israel as a breeding ground for Jewish fascism.

    Well, you turned down .. heh heh .. Russia is not interested .. (Arabs yes ..) only Israel can then appear anywhere in the world .. Well, in theory they are everywhere .. (like on the Amer dollar eye.)) Here's a lesson a little good thing would be to not gush too much there! ..
    1. Sibiriya
      Sibiriya 6 December 2013 00: 57 New
      0
      Yes, if they give land, I think how in 49 there will be no more
  • makarov
    makarov 5 December 2013 20: 53 New
    +3
    Vaughn, the people wondered at the site .. Genosse, we have nothing to share here ... maybe really by the glasses and the kosher salsa (just in case, suddenly the rabbi will notice)
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 5 December 2013 21: 17 New
    +1
    Quote: makarov
    Vaughn, the people wondered at the site .. Genosse, we have nothing to share here ... maybe really by the glasses and the kosher salsa (just in case, suddenly the rabbi will notice)

    laughing laughing laughing Well, the forum however ..)))
  • Sibiriya
    Sibiriya 6 December 2013 00: 56 New
    +4
    To whom to suck
    What were these and remained - parasites (with rare exceptions)
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 6 December 2013 01: 45 New
      -4
      Quote: Siberia
      To whom to suck
      What were these and remained - parasites (with rare exceptions)

      You are squalor, you can talk about your parents like that, but do not touch my people with your dirty tongue! am
  • Ross
    Ross 6 December 2013 03: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: ctepx
    Sounds cool: And Israel with the help of Stalin (Georgians) and went from the Ukrainian SSR)).

    You can’t even imagine how close you are to the truth. International Zionists persuaded Stalin to make Israel in Crimea, but he managed to return the Jews to their homeland, to Palestine.
  • piterkras
    piterkras 6 December 2013 05: 23 New
    +2
    So the freebie of the Jews ended. Now we ourselves with a mustache. Hehe ...
  • demotivator
    demotivator 6 December 2013 06: 00 New
    +1
    Yes, Israel is not going anywhere from the USA. Because the lion's share of finances in Israel annually comes from Jews living in the United States. Apart from other sources from the same USA. Without financial assistance from outside, this state is simply doomed. As they were, they will remain in the wake of US policy.
  • LSV
    LSV 6 December 2013 09: 04 New
    0
    In short - Russia does not need such an ally in the BV, we have enough secular Syria.
  • LSV
    LSV 6 December 2013 09: 04 New
    0
    In short - Russia does not need such an ally in the BV, we have enough secular Syria.
  • katsin2
    katsin2 6 December 2013 19: 39 New
    -1
    This is not an option for us. Russian weapons are much worse quality than American ones, and it will be extremely difficult for Ebipt and SA to counter Russian weapons against American ones
    1. Stasi
      Stasi 6 December 2013 20: 43 New
      +1
      Russian weapons are highly regarded in the world, everyone knows their quality. You judge from the position of past victories of Israel over the Arabs. But even then, Soviet weapons showed their high qualities in battles, only these qualities showed themselves when the Russians used these weapons. And the Arabs, despite the highest quality military equipment, always suffered defeats. The reason is Arab self-confidence and narrow-mindedness, as stated in the memoirs of our military advisers and specialists who tried to teach these Bedouins. By the way, the Arabs are different for Arabs, you should not put the Egyptians and Syrians on the same board. It was the Egyptians who turned out to be the worst students and it was the Egyptians who suffered so many defeats despite the help of the USSR. And the Syrians are made from another test and with Russian weapons they are now very successfully beating bandits armed with American and European weapons. So do not dirty our weapons with dirt, dirt will not stick to it.
      1. faraon
        faraon 9 December 2013 06: 24 New
        0
        And not who is not trying to smear Russian weapons, you correctly noticed that in a fit of world revolution helped all friends and regimes professing social ideology, but as you rightly noted, not everyone can become fighters. Yes, there were competent officers among the Egyptians and among the serials, but to the immigration minority
    2. mirag2
      mirag2 9 December 2013 07: 06 New
      0
      Egypt has an old American weapon.
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