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"Russian sniper is something terrible"

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As I remember, ten years ago, a former student of the Central Women's School of Sniper Training A. Shilina told a round table of a popular television program:


“I was already an experienced fighter who had 25 fascists on his account when the Germans started a“ cuckoo ”. Every day, there are no two or three of our soldiers. Yes, it shoots as aptly: from the first bullet - in the forehead or in the temple. Caused one pair of snipers - did not help. No bait. They order us: as you wish, but must destroy. We Tossey, my best friend, dug in - a place, I remember, swampy, around bumps, small shrubs. Began to observe. Day lay in vain, another. On the third, Tosya says: “Let's take it. Whether we remain alive, no, no matter. The fighters are falling ... "

She was shorter than me. A shallow trench. He takes a rifle, fastens a bayonet, puts on his helmet and starts crawling, running, crawling again. Well, I look out. The tension is huge. And I worry about her, and the sniper should not be missed. I see the bushes in one place seemed a little apart. Is he! Immediately took him to the sight. He shot, I'm right there. I hear from the front line shouting: girls, hurray to you! I crawl up to Tosa, I look - blood. A bullet pierced the helmet and ricocheted around her neck. Then a platoon arrived. Raised her - and in the medical unit. It turned out ... And at night our scouts pulled out this sniper. Mature was about a hundred of our soldiers killed ... "

In the combat practice of Soviet snipers, examples are, of course, more abruptly. But he began with the fact of which the front-line Shilina told, not by accident. In the previous decade, with the suggestion of the Belarusian writer Svetlana Aleksievich, some publicists and researchers in Russia are trying to argue in society that the sniper is an overly inhuman front-line specialty, making no distinction between those who set the goal to exterminate half of the world's population and those who opposed this goal . But who can blame Alexander Shilin for the fact given at the beginning of the essay? Yes, Soviet snipers came face to face with the Wehrmacht soldiers and officers at the front, sending bullets at them. How else? By the way, the German fire aces opened their accounts much earlier than the Soviet ones. By June 1941, many of them had destroyed several hundred enemy soldiers and officers — the Poles, the French, the British.

... In the spring of 1942, when there were fierce battles for Sevastopol, a sniper of the 54 Infantry Regiment of the 25 Division of the Maritime Army Lyudmila Pavlichenko was invited to the next part, where Hitler's rifleman brought many troubles. She entered into a duel with the German ace and won it. When we looked at the sniper book, it turned out that he had destroyed the 400 of the French and the British, as well as about the 100 of the Soviet soldiers. The shot of Lyudmila was extremely humane. How many she saved from the bullets of the Nazis!

Vladimir Pchelintsev, Fedor Okhlopkov, Maxim Passar ... During the years of the Great Patriotic War, these and other names of snipers were widely known among the troops. But who won the right to be called ace number one sniper?

Among the many other exhibits, the Central Museum of the Armed Forces of Russia has a Mosin system sniper rifle from the 1891 / 30 model. (KE-1729 number) “Name of the Heroes of the Soviet Union Andrukhayev and Ilyin”. The initiator of the sniper movement of the 136 th rifle division of the Southern Front, political instructor Husen Andruhaev, died heroically in heavy fighting for Rostov. A sniper rifle named after him is established in his memory. In the days of the legendary defense of Stalingrad, the best sniper of the guard, foreman Nikolai Ilyin, defeats the enemy from her. In a short time, he, with 115 destroyed by the Nazis, increases the score to 494 and becomes the best Soviet sniper during the Great Patriotic War.

In August, 1943 th near Belgorod in hand-to-hand combat with the enemy Ilyin died. The rifle, now named after two heroes (Nikolai Ilyin was awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union 8 in February 1943), was traditionally awarded part sergeant Afanasy Gordienko to the best sniper. He brought his account from it to 417 destroyed by the Nazis. It is honorable weapon failed only when a shell fragment hit it. In total, out of this rifle, about 1000 soldiers and officers are hit. Nikolay Ilyin made 379 accurate shots from it.

What was characteristic of this twenty-year-old sniper from the Luhansk region? He knew how to outwit the enemy. Once Nicholas tracked down the enemy shooter all day. It was felt all over: an experienced professional was lying a hundred meters away. How to remove the German "cuckoo"? He made a scarecrow from a quilted jacket and hard hat and slowly began to lift it. No sooner had the helmet come up in half, almost two shots were heard almost simultaneously: the nazis sewed a scarecrow with a bullet and Ilyin the enemy.

"Russian sniper is something terrible"

When it became known that graduates of the Berlin sniper school arrived at the front at Stalingrad, Nikolai Ilyin told colleagues that the Germans were pedants, and the classical methods were probably learned. You need to show them the Russian ingenuity and take care of the baptism of Berlin newcomers. Every morning, under artillery shelling, under bombing, he sneaked up on the Nazis for a sure shot and destroyed them without a miss. At Stalingrad, Ilyin’s score increased to 400 of the destroyed enemy soldiers and officers. Then there was the Kursk Arc, and there he again flashed with ingenuity and ingenuity.

Assam number two can be considered a Smolyanin, assistant chief of staff of the 1122 Infantry Regiment of the 334 Division (1 Baltic Front), Captain Ivan Sidorenko, who destroyed enemy soldiers and officers near 500 and prepared snipers for the front near 250. In moments of calm, he hunted the Nazis, taking with him the "hunt" of students.

The third on the list of the most successful Soviet sniper aces is the 59-th sniper of the 21-division of the Guard (2-Baltic Front) of the Guard, senior sergeant Mikhail Budenkov, who defeated 437 of Hitler's soldiers and officers. Here is what he told about one of the battles in Latvia:

“On the way to the offensive was some kind of farm. German machine gunners settled there. It was necessary to destroy them. With short dashes I managed to reach the top of the height and kill the fascists. I did not have time to catch my breath, I see - in front of me on the farm runs a German, with a machine gun. Shot - and the Nazis fell. After some time, the second is followed by a second with a machine-gun box. He suffered the same fate. A few more minutes passed, hundreds and a half fascists ran from the farm. This time they fled along another road farther from me. I fired several times, but I realized that many of them would disappear anyway. Quickly ran to the killed machine gunners, the machine gun was in good condition, and I opened fire on the Nazis from their own weapons. Then we counted about a hundred dead Nazis. "

Other Soviet snipers also differed in amazing courage, endurance and ingenuity. For example, Sergeant Maxim Passar of Nanay (117 Rifle Regiment of the 23 Rifle Division, Stalingrad Front), on whose account 237 destroyed Nazi soldiers and officers. Tracking down an enemy sniper, he pretended to be killed and spent the whole day in a neutral field in an open field, among the dead. From this position, he sent a bullet into the Nazi shooter, who was under the embankment, in a pipe to drain water. Only in the evening, Passar was able to crawl away to his.

10 first Soviet sniper aces destroyed over 4200 enemy soldiers and officers, 20 first - more than 7500 (see table).


The Americans wrote: “Russian snipers showed great skill on the German front. They prompted the Germans to manufacture large-scale riflescopes and training snipers. ”

Of course, one can not say how the results of Soviet snipers were recorded. Here it is appropriate to refer to the materials of the meeting held in the summer of 1943 by the Vice-Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars K.Ye. Voroshilov.

According to the recollections of Vladimir Pchelintsev, an ace sniper, those present at the meeting suggested introducing a single, rigorous procedure for recording the results of combat work, a single “Sniper Personal Book” for all, and in the rifle regiment and a company - “Logs of combat snipers”.

The basis for taking into account the number of destroyed Nazi soldiers and officers should be the report of the sniper himself, confirmed by eyewitnesses (company and platoon observers, artillery and mortar spotters, intelligence officers, officers of all degrees, commanders of units, etc.). When counting the destroyed Nazis each officer equate to three soldiers.

In practice, mainly accounting was kept. Perhaps the last item was not respected.

Separately, it should be said about female snipers. In the Russian army they appeared during the First World War, most often they were the widows of Russian officers who died in the war. They sought revenge on the enemy for their husbands. And in the first months of the Great Patriotic War, the names of female snipers Lyudmila Pavlichenko, Natalia Kovshova, Maria Polivanova became known to the whole world.


Lyudmila, in the battles for Odessa and Sevastopol, destroyed the 309 Nazi soldiers and officers (this is the highest result among female snipers). Natalia and Maria, on whose account more than 300 of the Nazis, glorified their names with the unparalleled courage of 14 of August 1942 of the year. On that day, not far from the village of Sutoki (Novgorod Region), Natasha Kovshova and Masha Polivanova, beating off the onslaught of the Nazis, were surrounded. With the last grenade, they blew themselves up and the German infantrymen who surrounded them. One of them was then 22 of the year, another 20 of years. Like Lyudmila Pavlichenko, they were awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union.

Following their example, many girls decided to master sniper skills in order to participate in fights with weapons in their hands. They were trained in supermarking shooting directly in military units and formations. In May, the Central Women's School of Sniper Training is created by 1943. Over its 1300 girls went over the walls of her snipers. During the battles, the pupils destroyed more than 11 800 Nazi soldiers and officers.

... At the front, Soviet fighters called them "ordinary without a miss," as, for example, Nikolai Ilyin at the beginning of his "sniper career." Or - “without a miss sergeant”, like Fedor Okhlopkov ...

Here are the lines from the letters of the Wehrmacht soldiers that they wrote to their relatives.

“Russian sniper is something terrible. From him you can not hide anywhere! In the trenches can not raise your head. The slightest negligence - and immediately get a bullet between the eyes ... "

“Snipers often spend hours in the same place in ambush and take on the fly everyone who shows up. Only in the dark can you feel safe. "

“Banners are hanging in our trenches:“ Careful! Russian sniper shoots! "

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  1. Hort
    Hort 5 December 2013 07: 44 New
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    the grandfather told the incident: they also had a sniper (Fritz) who regularly mowed ours during the attack (officers, sergeants). They sent two snipers - and killed them. In general, for a long time they could not calculate it.
    Then they sent a peasant to them in part, who ended up clapping. It turned out that the German had settled in the corpse of a dead horse (it was winter), and from there he shot.
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 5 December 2013 09: 53 New
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      In how, I heard this story in my youth, from a neighbor of a WWII veteran. Close world))))
      1. azkolt
        azkolt 5 December 2013 17: 38 New
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        This case is described in the book by Vasily Zaitsev, the famous sniper, "There was no land for us beyond the Volga"
    2. report4
      report4 5 December 2013 10: 30 New
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      Quote: hort
      the grandfather told the incident: they also had a sniper (Fritz) who regularly mowed ours during the attack (officers, sergeants). They sent two snipers - and killed them. In general, for a long time they could not calculate it.
      Then they sent a peasant to them in part, who ended up clapping. It turned out that the German had settled in the corpse of a dead horse (it was winter), and from there he shot.

      This was in the book "The Art of a Sniper" by Potapov.
      and since his book is a vinaigrette from various sources, most likely it was some kind of memoir.
      1. Hort
        Hort 5 December 2013 11: 28 New
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        may be. Although I don’t remember such a moment in the book, I heard the story at the age of 10-12 ...
        1. builder
          builder 5 December 2013 16: 53 New
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          A similar structure, made of papier-mache, the French came up with (WW1) to install on the front line in places with a flat landscape. It looks like a horse, but if you look from the other side, then inside it is hollow and even with a telephone. The soldier was forced to stay in his hideout throughout the day, transmitting information about the enemy's movements, and quietly shoot the enemy. As they say here, the shooting was carried out through a natural hole in the body of the "animal" provided by nature.
          However, such camouflage could deceive a person, but not a technique. So Samuel Benson, a participant in those military events, recalls in his memoirs how the French troops, having installed a dummy of a dead horse under cover of night and placing a sniper in it, did not take into account that the Germans were taking aerial photography of the area. The German pilot, who was filming the enemy's positions, did not notice anything strange from the air, but on the ground, comparing the new photographs with the photographs of the previous day, the Germans sensed something was wrong. The fact is that at night there were no cavalry attacks and a dead horse that appeared out of nowhere looked extremely suspicious. Without thinking for a long time, the Germans shot at the "horse", thereby killing the sniper.
          1. iConst
            iConst 5 December 2013 17: 02 New
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            Quote: stroitel
            Germans sensed something was amiss

            I hadn’t read it yet, but already this thought crossed my mind. Observers in all armies are taught to notice all changes in the landscape.

            PYSY: well, apparently it was not just that the French were rolled out in a matter of weeks ...
            1. Su24
              Su24 10 December 2013 02: 47 New
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              Quote: iConst
              PYSY: well, apparently it was not just that the French were rolled out in a matter of weeks ...


              The French were not rolled out either in weeks or years, because we are talking about WWI. Read carefully.
              1. iConst
                iConst 10 December 2013 10: 57 New
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                Quote: Su24
                The French were not rolled out either in weeks or years, because we are talking about WWI. Read carefully.

                Between the First and Second breaker ... I say - life has not taught anything.

                Wider to think! wink
    3. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 5 December 2013 11: 59 New
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      oh, when our "Soviet" authorities normalize their attitude to weapons, how many men would go to the shooting range on Fridays instead of a pub
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 5 December 2013 16: 53 New
        +3
        Take the air, but go, or is SVD necessary for this? I hasten to disappoint, most likely from this SVD, they will shoot someone on a drunken thread.
        1. iConst
          iConst 5 December 2013 17: 47 New
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          Quote: EvilLion
          I’m in a hurry to disappoint, most likely from this SVD, they’ll shoot someone on a drunken thread.

          ... I repeat: tomorrow we are going fishing - do not take fishing rods, do not leave the bus! ... laughing

          But seriously - what kind of booze at the shooting range?
          1. nerd.su
            nerd.su 5 December 2013 19: 29 New
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            Quote: iConst
            But seriously - what kind of booze at the shooting range?

            It’s like you’re not living in Russia. At the shooting range, staff may not allow drinking, but nobody will forbid at the shooting range. In general, a booze with weapons is a national Russian fun. Fortunately, the weapons are mostly smoothbore, the scene of action is the forest, called hunting.
            1. iConst
              iConst 5 December 2013 19: 52 New
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              Quote: bot.su
              It’s like you’re not living in Russia.

              If drinking is in the first place, then shooting is not needed.

              I have all the adequate people I know. When shooting combat - not a gram.

              Then, in the country - from pneumatics for beer cans already ... laughing

              But I am an opponent of this too - the eye can be knocked out easily.
              1. nerd.su
                nerd.su 5 December 2013 20: 26 New
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                So when shooting, maybe even a gram. But on the same hunt they drink as if after a hunt, but a gun and ammunition - only lend a hand. I agree, there are a lot of adequate people. But more and more on different sites. But only unconscious hunters shoot much more often at banks when they are drunk. They shoot road signs or, worse, stoves in huts. While this is all going pretty far, and the fraction is flying nearby. But after friendly gatherings after near the shooting range, and if there are rifled weapons, there will be more accidents. So now everything is fine - after five years of owning a smoothbore, buy a rifled. The sooner you get your shotgun, the sooner you take the saiga. Yes, by the way, you’ll also understand in five years, but is it necessary?
                1. Eugene
                  Eugene 6 December 2013 00: 57 New
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                  And rightly so. I’m going to the store like that on Saturday. At work. And there are hunters there. Pumped up ...! There were a couple of seconds left before shooting! But it cost. But how much did it cost ....
                2. Hort
                  Hort 6 December 2013 06: 49 New
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                  these are not hunters, this is so - devils
              2. Jarilo
                Jarilo 5 December 2013 22: 50 New
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                Quote: iConst
                Then, in the country - from pneumatics for beer cans already ...

                Under the law on weapons (ZOO), and this is not possible!
                From pneumatics with a capacity of more than 3J. and up to 7.5J., DO NOT shoot ANYWHERE except in <Specialized for shooting> areas!

                Shooting from pneumatics with a power of more than 7.5J:

                1. in the case of hunting pneumatics (LRO, power over 7.5, no more than 25J), it is regulated by the "Hunting Rules".

                2. sports pneumatics with a capacity of more than 7.5J. can only be used in <Designated Shooting> locations.
                "Specially designated for shooting" place are: ranges, shooting ranges, shooting and hunting stands, shooting galleries belonging to organizations, enterprises, institutions of any form of ownership, opened with the permission of the relevant authorities, where the rules of established safety are observed.

                Otherwise:
                a) [The item applies to ALL pneumatics more than 0J.!] As a result of shooting, we got somewhere (causing property damage) or someone (obviously not hunting in accordance with the hunting rules) - we fall under Articles 167, 111 , 115, 245 up to the 105th Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, the outcome in this situation is individual in each case. Hemorrhoids are provided 100%, from a fine, to a real term in case of a very "unsuccessful" hit, which entailed serious injury, disability or death ... and with regards to this not only people, but also representatives of "flora and fauna, as well as representatives animal world "!

                The following applies only to pneumatics with a capacity of more than 3J.

                b) We shoot in a "specially designated for shooting" place with violations - a fine of 3000 rubles. up to 5000 rubles, with or without confiscation of weapons.

                c) We shoot anywhere, that is, outside the "specially designated for shooting" place - a fine of 40000 rubles. up to 50000 rubles. with the withdrawal of weapons.

                e) We shoot anywhere, that is, outside the "specially designated for shooting" place by a company or drunk - a fine of 50000 rubles. up to 100000 rubles. with the withdrawal of weapons.
                http: // Щщщ.топгунс.ру / Law-on-weapons-as applied to-pneumatics /? n = 1

                Be careful and careful !!!!


                In essence, there is practically nowhere to train to shoot, even from low-powered pneumatics, in today's Russia, without breaking the law !!!
                Tyra roads and their sooo little !!!
                That is the problem! Where will the "Voroshilov arrows" come from, in the event that the Motherland calls?
                1. zao74
                  zao74 8 December 2013 18: 59 New
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                  Yes, just open the polygons, I’ll shoot from your (polygon), again I don’t have to buy mine. And even better, within the framework of the TRP, to conduct clubs of lovers of shooting sports ... instead of pubs.
            2. Ilya Mikhalych
              Ilya Mikhalych 6 December 2013 19: 34 New
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              50 grams for accuracy is possible)
            3. Stix
              Stix 9 December 2013 10: 55 New
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              If only this is your personal fun - so you are not Russian used to spit shit
              1. nerd.su
                nerd.su 9 December 2013 13: 07 New
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                You, comrade, do not know Russian life. Or are you lord? It’s strange that it’s not in Paris, but it’s clear why you need a weapon. It’s dangerous for gentlemen in Russia without weapons.
            4. Larus
              Larus 9 December 2013 17: 14 New
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              No need to make unreasonable of citizens. This is why the authorities are constantly engaged
        2. Blackgrifon
          Blackgrifon 7 December 2013 19: 02 New
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          Quote: EvilLion
          rather, from this SVD, when they are drunk, they will shoot a thread.


          1. How much does SVD cost - not everyone can buy it.
          2. Something among the hunters is not particularly massive cases of shooting their neighbors drunk.

          PS: Enough of littering this old fiction already - the Russians thump in black and give them weapons they themselves will shoot each other. They didn’t shoot - either before the revolution (when the turnover of arms was not at all religious), or after the end of the Second World War (when hundreds of thousands of trunks lay in the fields). How can you not understand the simple truth - the criminal will ALWAYS find a weapon for himself, and the law-abiding citizen MUST have the means to adequately protect himself and his home.
          1. iConst
            iConst 7 December 2013 19: 15 New
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            Quote: Blackgrifon
            the criminal will ALWAYS find a weapon for himself

            This is an absolute argument. Life shows - the way it is.

            The only thing - psychologically you need to work with people, everyone is embittered.

            On the other hand, our "legal" practice gives such tricks - just right to climb into the noose.

            I remember, a long time ago, there was a report - two (maybe three) flour climbed into the courtyard of an elderly owner. One was with a pipe trim. A skirmish ensued and their grandfather shot them - not to death. He was later condemned - exceeding the necessary defense.
            Fuck! According to the version of curvature, the grandfather had to get a pipe at the jug first, and only then shoot!
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          3. Sinbad
            Sinbad 7 December 2013 20: 03 New
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            In his youth he was engaged in bullet shooting. There were shooting galleries, there were weapons and cartridges. No problem for classes, there would be a desire. Now I would love to shoot, not from pneumatics, but nowhere. Yes, the fears associated with "carelessness" are justified, because the culture of handling weapons must be instilled from childhood. But how to teach how to deal with what is not. As you can not learn to use a PC, without a PC, and with a weapon.
        3. Realist58
          Realist58 9 December 2013 21: 12 New
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          Quote: EvilLion
          Take the air, but go, or is SVD necessary for this? I hasten to disappoint, most likely from this SVD, they will shoot someone on a drunken thread.

          Do not svizdobolit dear. CASES OF DRUNK KILLINGS FROM UNIT'S LEGAL WEAPON. Always and everywhere, the weapon of killings when drunk was and is (with multiple separation) KITCHEN KNIFE.
      2. iConst
        iConst 5 December 2013 17: 41 New
        +2
        Quote: Yoshkin Cat
        oh, when our "Soviet" authorities normalize their attitude to weapons, how many men would go to the shooting range on Fridays instead of a pub

        And what to normalize? What is the problem?
        1. Blackgrifon
          Blackgrifon 8 December 2013 01: 22 New
          +1
          Quote: iConst
          And what to normalize? What is the problem?


          1. The framework of self-defense - there is such a concept in our legislation - now, when using any means of self-defense (except for running), if the offender received damage to his health (even if they attacked one in four), then the citizen who defended himself would sit down - he exceeded the limits of self-defense. The boundaries are very thin and no one usually deciphers them. Here, at a minimum, it is necessary to introduce the principle "my home is my fortress" and completely revise all the legislation on self-defense and the use of self-defense means.

          2. Turnover of short-range weapons. For some reason, a traumatic person is easier to get than a pistol or revolver. And this despite the fact that the traumatic person is treated like a toy - that is why they shoot everyone in the thighs and chest of the offender, thinking that they will "burn" and everything will be fine. And the fact that a shot from a trauma can hit an artery or a vital organ, few people think.
          1. iConst
            iConst 8 December 2013 10: 17 New
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            Quote: Blackgrifon

            1. The framework of self-defense - there is such a concept in our legislation - now, when using any means of self-defense (except for running), if the offender received damage to his health (even if they attacked one in four), then the citizen who defended himself would sit down - he exceeded the limits of self-defense. The boundaries are very thin and no one usually deciphers them. Here, at a minimum, it is necessary to introduce the principle "my home is my fortress" and completely revise all the legislation on self-defense and the use of self-defense means.

            2. Turnover of short-range weapons. For some reason, a traumatic person is easier to get than a pistol or revolver. And this despite the fact that the traumatic person is treated like a toy - that is why they shoot everyone in the thighs and chest of the offender, thinking that they will "burn" and everything will be fine. And the fact that a shot from a trauma can hit an artery or a vital organ, few people think.

            1. This is not directly related to weapons. You can also exceed with dumbbells - a gymnastic apparatus.
            2. Traumatic has already (almost all) passed into the category of nonsense. What you described is just the consequence.

            The energy is reduced so much (and they still want to lower it) that tight clothes are already "traumatic-resistant", and there is no need to talk about quilted jackets.

            That extinguishes the people in turnips - the effect is needed! I remember the first "Wasp". Shot in the leg - a bed for a week.
            1. Blackgrifon
              Blackgrifon 8 December 2013 19: 31 New
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              Quote: iConst
              This is not directly related to weapons.


              It has - a citizen can NOT use weapons for self-defense in principle - any investigator will confirm this to you. And since there is no way to defend oneself with weapons, then there is only running (preferably fast).
    4. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 5 December 2013 14: 29 New
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      First I read Russian benchmark - this is something terrible. " belay and mentally agreed. Then I think, what does the rap on the military website have to do and read the headline again.
      1. iConst
        iConst 5 December 2013 17: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: Kibalchish
        “The Russian benchmark is something terrible,” and mentally agreed.

        It's five! laughing laughing laughing
    5. Scoun
      Scoun 5 December 2013 16: 21 New
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      By the way, in article 20, something like this .... is not entirely selected .....
      The fame of the Yakut sniper rattled around the front. He was terrible for enemies. He was constantly hunted by the best German snipers. But each time in intense martial arts, the Kulbertins came out victorious. One of the German officers killed near Chernigov found a letter in which there were such lines: “We are suffering huge losses from Russian snipers. They pursue us in any places and do not allow us to raise our heads. It is sometimes necessary to endure a painful thirst. I’m thirsty, but you won’t get out of the dugout - the sniper will take it off. Of those killed and wounded in my battalion, most fell from the shots of some Asian. ” This Asian was Ivan Kulbertinov.

      In battles and battles, Kulbertin was more than once on the verge of death, but fate kept our fellow countryman. During the war years, he was wounded three times — once lightly in the head, the second wound in the side, the third in the arm. The sniper was sent to the hospital twice, but on the way he ran away, returned to his unit and was treated at the medical unit. “I need you here at the forefront,” he said.

      January 1945, the Military Council of the 18th Army, which included the 2nd Guards Airborne Division, held an army rally of snipers. Eight best army snipers were awarded with personalized sniper rifles. Among the awarded was Ivan Kulbertinov.

      In total for the war he destroyed 489 soldiers and enemy officers. He ended the battle path in Czechoslovakia.

      PS
      In fact, for most snipers, the score was much higher .. they simply did not count if there was no confirmation.
      1. Scoun
        Scoun 5 December 2013 16: 38 New
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        Here is a February article on this subject .. more detailed
        http://topwar.ru/24475-samye-rezultativnye-snaypery.html
    6. dark_65
      dark_65 6 December 2013 23: 41 New
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      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Номоконов,_Семён_Данилович
  2. Kolyma
    Kolyma 5 December 2013 07: 58 New
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    "Svetlana Aleksievich are some publicists and researchers" - well, no matter how insanity some have not canceled, is it worth paying attention to such blissful ones?
    War and humanity in one sentence are generally absurd as it sounds, IMHO. :))

    Thanks to the author, we must remember the exploits and tragedies of the past so as not to repeat this again.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 5 December 2013 11: 37 New
      +7
      And the girls’s face is so kind, so kind ... laughing
      1. atalef
        atalef 5 December 2013 16: 28 New
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        Quote: Ingvar 72
        And the girls’s face is so kind, so kind ...


        They are all good, kind, and then they will shoot the eggs (or cut them off - but these are modern snipers) first with a frying pan on the head ... ut, and then everything ..., only sing in opera wassat
      2. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 7 December 2013 10: 23 New
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        Quote: Ingvar 72
        And the girls’s face is so kind, so kind

        Those who "plyusanul" the specified crap are half-witted. And the author is an enemy!
    2. Buivol
      Buivol 5 December 2013 15: 26 New
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      Svetlana Aleksievich wrote from a purely feminine, womanish, I would say, point of view about an absolutely non-feminine affair.
  3. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 5 December 2013 08: 00 New
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    from the Don.
    : Russian man is something terrible: -on the forehead of every Russophobe !!!
  4. Denis
    Denis 5 December 2013 08: 05 New
    42
    “Russian sniper is something terrible. From him you can not hide anywhere! In the trenches can not raise your head. The slightest negligence - and immediately get a bullet between the eyes ... "
    It’s just so sorry for the liar, you can hide. It’s true in your Reich. And since no one called, but pinned, it’s not to cheat ...
    Honor and praise, snipers contributed to the Victory
    I hope they have followers:
    1. vlad_m
      vlad_m 5 December 2013 10: 28 New
      29
      An interesting fact: from 18 to 28 in January of 1943, a sniper of the NKVD of all fronts was held in Moscow in January. 309 people took part in its work. After a four-day instructor-methodical seminar, a combat internship was held. During it, the consolidated battalion of snipers from the participants of the rally destroyed 2375 Wehrmacht troops for ten days.
      1. Free Island
        Free Island 6 December 2013 02: 36 New
        +4
        Quote: vlad_m
        rally of NKVD snipers of all fronts.


        Quote: vlad_m
        a combined battalion of snipers from the participants of the rally destroyed 2375 Wehrmacht soldiers in ten days.

        not a damn myself consulted :)))
  5. Fitter65
    Fitter65 5 December 2013 08: 13 New
    34
    Around the same time, when an article about our snipers appeared in the magazine, a book-memoir of a German sniper appeared, I don't remember the author anymore. Honestly, I read halfway, there is such a rush about his "heroic" adventures that Rudel's memories are against the background of this The memoirs "look true. True, the lad, respected, took a Russian rifle," she beat further and more precisely "... I read until the moment when he killed almost a squad of Red Army soldiers who were walking along the path to the back of each other's head with one shot from this rifle After that, the book migrated to the jolt, in the car park.
    Well, I think in a couple of hours "true" experts will catch up, who will explain why German snipers were better, how they fought competently and so on and so forth.
    And our fellows, puffed the "supermen" in the face, signed for the defeated Reichstag, and went home to raise their ruined, developed Europeans, their property.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 5 December 2013 12: 28 New
      +4
      Quote: Fitter65
      True, the boy, I respected, took a Russian rifle, "she beat further and more accurately"

      Mosin or SVT? As far as I know, SVT was very popular among Germans, they even printed the instruction manual in German. In general, their Mauser carbine was the main infantry weapon from the beginning to the end of the war. Schmeissers all of them were without exception only in the cinema, and so in the best case they had sergeant-commander of the squad. Therefore, if possible, they gladly grabbed themselves on the eastern front of SVT or PPSh, and on the western - Garandy, Thompson, and Stan.
      1. Fitter65
        Fitter65 5 December 2013 14: 16 New
        +2
        Honestly, I don’t remember how long ago I had "this" in my hands. Most of the sailors had SVT snipers, like simple SVTs, their level of technical culture was still higher, and the "Aryan" went from Kharkov to Stalingrad, there he was in Basically he performed his "feats of Hercules".
        1. Mister X
          Mister X 5 December 2013 19: 38 New
          11
          Quote: Fitter65
          Most of the sailors had SVT snipers, just like simple SVT

          Nikolai Ilyin, by the way, had SVT.

          Petty Officer N. Ya. Ilyin with his SVT sniper rifle.

          Petty Officer N. Ya. Ilyin with his SVT sniper rifle.


          "Take revenge on the fascists!" - wrote to him Soviet people, whose relatives died at the hands of the invaders.
          Ilyin answered them: "I will avenge your every tear ..."

          Nikolai did not throw words into the wind.
          The combat activity of a brave sniper was repeatedly noted in the messages of the SovInformBuro:
          "20 snipers under the command of the Hero of the Soviet Union of the Guard Sergeant Major Nikolai Ilyin killed 4 Nazis in 123 days"
          - It was reported in the morning summary for June 12 of 1943 of the year.

          The summary for June 24 of 1943 of the year said:
          "6 snipers, led by the Hero of the Soviet Union, Sergeant Major Nikolai Ilyin, spent 7 days in ambush behind the front line of our defense.
          During this time, snipers killed 125 Nazis. "
          1. Fitter65
            Fitter65 6 December 2013 02: 32 New
            0
            I’m saying something basically. Of course, they were also with the ground forces.
      2. complete zero
        complete zero 5 December 2013 15: 13 New
        +5
        revolver - you are confusing the MP-38/40 with Schmeisser (common confusion) - as for the SVT, yes they loved this carbine, the fact is that the Germans are "akuratists in life" lubrication, wiping, care of weapons (a national trait) that worked in such hands of SVT to glory
        1. Antabka
          Antabka 6 December 2013 16: 36 New
          +1
          The Germans didn’t come up with anything better than our SVT. It can be seen others were busy :)
          1. iConst
            iConst 6 December 2013 17: 33 New
            +3
            Quote: Antabka
            The Germans didn’t come up with anything better than our SVT. It can be seen others were busy :)

            It is not.
            With all its advantages, the SVT and other similar rifles had a significant drawback: the excessive power of the shot.
            As practice has shown, the vast majority of battles took place at distances of less than 400 meters. Usually - 100-200 meters, not counting the dagger.

            SVT, if it satisfied the infantryman, the landing was uncomfortable.

            More universal in this regard can be considered the German FG-42. They managed to reach a compromise in this area, although the problem of a full-fledged rifle cartridge remained.

            Actually, they were the first to understand this, and already in the first half of the 43rd, the first modifications of MKb42 / MP43 / StG44 (just Schmeisser) appeared on the Leningrad Front - a completely new class of weapons for an "intermediate" cartridge.

            Actually, the concept (not the device) completely migrated to our Kalash.

            For those who are going to throw poop - Hugo Schmeisser himself worked for about two years in the Kalashnikov group at the Kovrov plant.
            1. Fedya
              Fedya 6 December 2013 22: 57 New
              0
              Schmeiser and Kalashnikov worked at this factory at different times!
              1. iConst
                iConst 7 December 2013 17: 19 New
                0
                Quote: Fedya
                Schmeiser and Kalashnikov worked at this factory at different times!
                Schmeisser did not officially work at the Kovrov plant.
                I said "in command", conditionally. We tried to use the exported German specialists in many developments. And most of them were classified.

                Of course, the Germans were not directly admitted. They tried to get advice or gave fragments extracted from the general development.

                Officially, Schmeisser "worked" at the Izhevsk plant, and Kalashnikov - at the Kovrovsky plant and at the same time!

                It is doubtful that having the "father" of the assault rifle "at his side", he was not involved in the work at least on individual units.

                It is also known that Kalashnikov during this period repeatedly visited the Izhevsk plant.
            2. Antabka
              Antabka 7 December 2013 00: 21 New
              0
              I had an analogue of self-loading with the Germans. And about the intermediate cartridge - have achieved significant success. our only 49 Kalashnikov in the series allowed
              1. iConst
                iConst 7 December 2013 18: 18 New
                0
                Quote: Antabka
                I had an analogue of self-loading with the Germans. And about the intermediate cartridge - have achieved significant success. our only 49 Kalashnikov in the series allowed

                well, that’s what I’m saying: the FG-42 is essentially a rifle that can fire bursts.

                Also G43 / K43 approached the characteristics of the CBT.

                The funny thing is that the Americans after the Second World War did not dry out the assault rifle.
                Their command believed that the present equipment of the army fully satisfies both current tasks and in the future.

                Incidentally: of all the main armies, at that time, the American was 100% equipped with automatic weapons: M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, and, of course, Tommy ...

                The Korean War showed that they are wrong. And in Vietnam, the Yankees were already pacing with the AR15 / M16.

                Our command immediately felt this, in particular on the Leningrad Front, where at the time of the breaking of the blockade of Leningrad (Jan 43) and subsequent offensives (summer-autumn 44), the Wehrmacht had a significant number of assault rifles of various modifications.

                Previously, machine guns, which the Germans had enough, interfered heavily.

                And in the spacecraft, quite effective methods for suppressing them were developed:
                light support tanks T60, T70, snipers and even following the advancing rolled light guns for direct fire.

                Wax, then being a machine gunner was not sugar :).

                Now, the suppression of machine guns did not greatly facilitate the task - the fire of the infantry division increased so much.
                1. shevron
                  shevron 14 December 2013 05: 19 New
                  0
                  Yes. Americans with small arms screwed up. The post-war m-14 with a rifle cartridge had no duty in the service. And now in Afghanistan they prefer failsafe Kalash instead of the modernized m-16
          2. 11111mail.ru
            11111mail.ru 7 December 2013 10: 29 New
            +1
            Quote: Antabka
            The Germans didn’t come up with anything better than our SVT. Seen to others were busy

            You answered your own question yourself, were engaged in another matter. The weapons seized from the USSR were many. And Hitler forbade establishing the release of a NEW weapon.
            1. Antabka
              Antabka 7 December 2013 15: 06 New
              +1
              Attempts were. Walter's system for example ... An interesting story with assault rifles when Hitler was deceived with an intermediate cartridge seems to be like a new weapon designed for an old rifle
              1. iConst
                iConst 7 December 2013 18: 46 New
                0
                Quote: Antabka
                An interesting story with assault rifles when Hitler was deceived with an intermediate cartridge seems to be like a new weapon designed for the old rifle

                A bit wrong.
                The development continued, since the "running-in" of the first samples gave highly positive responses from the military. Legend: fuлEr, when he learned that they wanted to launch a new MKb42 (H) rifle and, in addition, under a new cartridge, he was horrified - where to put the ammunition available in the warehouses (according to legend, in huge quantities).

                Germany by the end of 41 years was straining with all her might, because the losses on the eastern front were huge and counted every Reichsmark.

                The warriors, on the other hand, lobbied for this topic, and in order not to annoy the possessed once again, they renamed the topic MP43 - that is, Machinen Pistol - like a pistol cartridge.

                And it failed ...
            2. iConst
              iConst 7 December 2013 18: 35 New
              0
              Quote: 11111mail.ru
              And Hitler forbade establishing the release of a NEW weapon.

              Wrong. On the contrary, he demanded from Speer the development of the latest effective weapons, the speedy modernization of the existing and, in particular, "weapons of retaliation."

              There is a reliable fact that the first large batch of "Tigers" was withdrawn from the fronts by order of the fyuлAn era to strengthen the armor, because he saw that it was breaking through with a T34 gun (if I'm not mistaken).
              1. 11111mail.ru
                11111mail.ru 7 December 2013 21: 05 New
                0
                Quote: iConst
                I and, in particular, "weapons of retaliation"

                Historians still haven't figured out what kind of crap it is with the "weapon of retaliation".
                Quote: iConst
                a reliable fact that the first large batch of "Tigers" was recalled from the fronts by order of the Fühler to strengthen the armor, since he saw that it was penetrated by the T34 cannon (if I am not mistaken)

                Unlike J.V. Stalin, Hitler did not visit the front, the closest place of his stay to the eastern front = Vinnitsa. And "personally" he did not see exactly 76 mm holes in the Tiger's armor.
                I have other information: the installation of an 34-mm cannon on the T-85 is a response to the German challenge - the Panther tank, which is almost one and a half times heavier than the T-34 of the first series, therefore the T-35's weight increased to XNUMX tons.

                The oldest unit of the Tiger tanks was the 503rd heavy tank battalion. Since December 1942, this battalion took part in battles in the zone of operations of Army Group South.

                T-34-85 - Soviet medium tank during the Great Patriotic War. Adopted by the Red Army by GKO Decree No. 5020 cc, dated January 23, 1944. [3] .. It is the final modification of the T-34 tank, model 1943.

                Opponent "Tiger" = "IS".
                1. iConst
                  iConst 7 December 2013 21: 24 New
                  0
                  Quote: 11111mail.ru
                  Unlike J.V. Stalin, Hitler did not visit the front, the closest place of his stay to the eastern front = Vinnitsa. And "personally" he did not see exactly 76 mm holes in the Tiger's armor.

                  I do not know cases of a visit to any front by Stalin.

                  Hitler watched the Tiger test result at the test site.

                  However, maybe it was also the Hrabin f22.
                  1. 11111mail.ru
                    11111mail.ru 8 December 2013 14: 30 New
                    0
                    Quote: iConst
                    I do not know cases of a visit to any front by Stalin.

                    Unfortunately, I do not have nominal receipts from I.V. Stalin, but very briefly: 2 times in 1941, 1 time in 1942, more than 2 times in 1943, in more detail http://www.proza.ru / 2013/08/08/1044. It was only the corn bald mikitka who had the audacity to declare that the Supreme commanded the globe ...
                    Quote: iConst
                    However, maybe it was also the Hrabin f22.

                    The gun you indicated became anti-tank after appropriate revision and was called Panzerabvehrkanone 36 (russland).
                    1. iConst
                      iConst 8 December 2013 16: 28 New
                      0
                      Quote: 11111mail.ru
                      Quote: iConst
                      I do not know cases of a visit to any front by Stalin.

                      Unfortunately, I do not have nominal receipts from I.V. Stalin, but very briefly: 2 times in 1941, 1 time in 1942, more than 2 times in 1943, in more detail http://www.proza.ru / 2013/08/08/1044. It was only the corn bald mikitka who had the audacity to declare that the Supreme commanded the globe ...
                      Quote: iConst
                      However, maybe it was also the Hrabin f22.

                      The gun you indicated became anti-tank after appropriate revision and was called Panzerabvehrkanone 36 (russland).

                      1. Maybe Stalin went to the front, although this is stupid.

                      2. And what does the modernized trophy gun have to do with it?
                      1. 11111mail.ru
                        11111mail.ru 8 December 2013 17: 37 New
                        0
                        Quote: iConst
                        And what does the modernized trophy gun have to do with it?

                        You flashed F-22, we had the “76 mm divisional cannon of the 1936 model” among the Germans, after boring the camera and installing the muzzle brake PAK 36 (r).
                        Quote: iConst
                        Maybe Stalin went to the front, although this is stupid.

                        It is not for you to judge the Supreme.
                        Quote: iConst
                        I do not understand why this 7th point

                        Read what observations and conclusions were made by a German tank officer who gained experience in battles with the IS-2:
                        http://dokwar.ru/publ/bronetekhnika/sovetskij_tjazhjolyj_tank_is_2/13-1-0-490
                        I consider further polemics with you pointless in the direction you are leading. I give you a fact, you are your next twist according to the principle of "elderberry in the garden, and uncle in Kiev". So the tradesmen argue in the bazaar. Terminate the contact.
                      2. iConst
                        iConst 8 December 2013 18: 09 New
                        0
                        Quote: 11111mail.ru
                        I consider further polemics with you pointless in the direction you are leading. I give you a fact, you are your next twist according to the principle of "elderberry in the garden, and uncle in Kiev". So the tradesmen argue in the bazaar. Terminate the contact.

                        Damn it! laughing

                        In fact, the thesis was "And Hitler forbade the production of NEW weapons."

                        I showed that I not only did not forbid, but also closely monitored new weapons - and the Tiger at that time was a new machine. And that vehicles from the formed units (and those that were not in battle!) Were recalled for modernization following the shelling of Soviet guns at the firing range. At the same time, he considered (but was not sure) that due to the fact that the T34 acquired a 85mm gun.

                        In objection, he said that F-22 is also possible.
                        And here you for some reason corrected this former our PaK, how is it there ... Did they shoot from the modernized guns themselves?

                        Then - it was you who suddenly dragged IP here, and even into "rivals"!
                        You prove something by referring to some notes of a tanker - why? See the thesis above ....

                        Then Stalin ... - What, isn’t it?

                        And after that - I'm taking me aside ... laughing

                        Yeah ... really a discussion
              2. iConst
                iConst 7 December 2013 21: 48 New
                0
                Quote: 11111mail.ru
                T-34-85 - Soviet medium tank during the Great Patriotic War. Adopted by the Red Army by GKO Decree No. 5020 cc, dated January 23, 1944. [3] .. It is the final modification of the T-34 tank, model 1943.

                Opponent "Tiger" = "IS".

                Such a comparison is not correct. It meant the ability of a tank gun to penetrate armor.

                In tactical terms, a tank was never opposed to a tank. That is, the tasks (main) for each type of tank had their own.

                The IS was a heavy breakthrough tank - the task of breaking into a heavily fortified enemy defense.

                As a tank destroyer, he was not positioned, although the gun was designed to defeat heavily armored targets.
                1. 11111mail.ru
                  11111mail.ru 8 December 2013 14: 10 New
                  0
                  11111mail.ru - Quote: Opponent "Tiger" = "IS".
                  iConst - Answer: The IS was a heavy breakthrough tank - the task is to break into a heavily fortified enemy defense.

                  iConst - Quote: Tactically, a tank has never been opposed to a tank. That is, the tasks (main) for each type of tank had their own.
                  11111mail.ru - Answer: I am quoting only the seventh point - "7. Under no circumstances should you get involved in a battle with the Stalins without an overwhelming numerical superiority. One IS-2 should have a platoon of Tigers."
                  полностью прочтите http://dokwar.ru/publ/bronetekhnika/sovetskij_tjazhjolyj_tank_is_2/13-1-0-490.
                  It was "IS" that was the symmetrical answer to "Tiger".
                  Maybe you deny that the Tiger was a breakthrough tank?
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 8 December 2013 14: 12 New
                    +1
                    Quote: 11111mail.ru
                    IS was a breakthrough heavy tank
                    Rather - "quality gain"
                  2. iConst
                    iConst 8 December 2013 16: 20 New
                    0
                    Quote: 11111mail.ru
                    11111mail.ru - Quote: Opponent "Tiger" = "IS".
                    iConst - Answer: The IS was a heavy breakthrough tank - the task is to break into a heavily fortified enemy defense.

                    iConst - Quote: Tactically, a tank has never been opposed to a tank. That is, the tasks (main) for each type of tank had their own.
                    11111mail.ru - Answer: I am quoting only the seventh point - "7. Under no circumstances should you get involved in a battle with the Stalins without an overwhelming numerical superiority. One IS-2 should have a platoon of Tigers."
                    полностью прочтите http://dokwar.ru/publ/bronetekhnika/sovetskij_tjazhjolyj_tank_is_2/13-1-0-490.
                    It was "IS" that was the symmetrical answer to "Tiger".
                    Maybe you deny that the Tiger was a breakthrough tank?

                    I do not understand what this 7th point is for. And I do not know what guided the developers of "Tiger" what were his tasks. Most likely more versatile.

                    It makes no sense to compare these two tanks. In a duel, the IS definitely lost the Tiger in range:
                    1. Worse optics
                    2. Worse projectile trajectory
                    3. The rate of fire is worse - the Tiger has a unitary cartridge, and the IS has a separate and large mass.
                    4. Night sight (not very significant, but still)

                    Which was better:
                    1. Powerful armor with the best high-explosive protection, not always in the forehead and the Tiger took
                    2. Large projectile energy - hitting almost anywhere brought an enemy tank out of action.

                    The fight against tanks in the Wehrmacht was entrusted to the means of anti-tank systems and self-propelled guns, in particular to the same yagdtiger.

                    However, we have the same ...
          3. iConst
            iConst 7 December 2013 18: 35 New
            0
            Quote: 11111mail.ru
            And Hitler forbade establishing the release of a NEW weapon.

            Wrong. On the contrary, he demanded from Speer the development of the latest effective weapons, the speedy modernization of the existing and, in particular, "weapons of retaliation."

            There is a reliable fact that the first large batch of "Tigers" was withdrawn from the fronts by order of the fyuлEra to strengthen the armor, because he saw that it is breaking through the T34-85 gun (if I'm not mistaken).
    2. Fedya
      Fedya 6 December 2013 23: 01 New
      +1
      The mosquito has excellent accuracy, but poor rechargeability due to the optical sight! But SVT is the other way around. Yes, and Soviet sights were only 4-fold, our snipers captured the trophy zeiss if possible.
      1. Antabka
        Antabka 7 December 2013 00: 16 New
        +1
        Due to the lack of automation in the mosquito, the shooting is more accurate (any more or less trained shooter knows) after 42 they sharply reduced the output of the SVT after they removed it altogether, but about optics, yes!
      2. sergeschern
        sergeschern 7 December 2013 15: 29 New
        +1
        Lays at my place Zeiss field binoculars 1944 release. The image quality is disgusting (chromatic aberration) - almost the eyes watery from the second minute. If the sights were made in the same way, then I do not envy the Fritz.
        1. Mister X
          Mister X 7 December 2013 20: 52 New
          0
          Quote: sergeschern
          Lies at my place Zeiss field binoculars 1944 model year. The image quality is disgusting


          I will express my assumptions:
          - when the product is put into mass production, the quality starts to limp;
          - during major wars, industry lacks both in materials,
          so in skilled workers.

          It is possible that the quality of German optics suffered because
          that the production technology was simplified, affordable materials were used
          and insufficiently skilled workers worked in production.
          Indeed, all of Europe worked for Germany.
          In some places they did not disdain prisoners and children.

          As an example, I’ll give Walther
          Shortly after the outbreak of war, new HP factories were opened.
          With the expansion of hostilities, with the understanding that the war will not end soon,
          It was decided to open HP production at the Mauser factories in Oberndorf and the Spreeverke factory in Grottau.
          Parts, by the way, were made in the occupied territories.
          At the Fabrique Nacional in Belgium and Waffenfabrik Brun, an arms factory in Czech Brno.
          With the expansion of production, the quality of the pistol declined, although even at the end of the war
          The R-38 remained an excellent weapon.
      3. iConst
        iConst 7 December 2013 18: 52 New
        0
        Quote: Fedya
        The mosquito has excellent accuracy, but poor rechargeability due to the optical sight!

        Well, the rechargeability was at the level of other rifles. Only at Lee-Anfield, the optics were shifted to the left (I could be wrong).

        But for sniper weapons this is not a hindrance - usually a single shot was fired. And regardless of the result, it was necessary to dump Podobru-Pozdorov in another place ...
        1. Fedya
          Fedya 9 December 2013 21: 56 New
          0
          The same Pavlichenko didn’t shoot like a sniper: shot - went away! She just acted in reverse: she killed one - the others who came further in turn. You don’t use such tactics from a mosquito, but SVT is calm.
  6. schta
    schta 5 December 2013 14: 20 New
    +2
    Dear, do you mean "Ollerberg's memoirs", a fiction book written by an American writer far from the war and from Germany?
  7. kaktus
    kaktus 5 December 2013 16: 54 New
    +5
    Quote: Fitter65
    with one shot, he killed almost a detachment of the Red Army soldiers, who were walking along the path to the back of the head to each other. After that, the book migrated to a push in the fleet.

    Right Baron Munchausen some. wassat little book there is the place good
    1. Antabka
      Antabka 6 December 2013 16: 40 New
      0
      You can just laugh wassat
  • svskor80
    svskor80 5 December 2013 08: 21 New
    25
    In those years, many soldiers still in civilian life received the sign "Voroshilovsky shooter" and without optics the Germans were fired pretty well from rifles. We need to revive such mass courses in schools.
    1. Denis
      Denis 5 December 2013 08: 52 New
      28
      Quote: svskor80
      We need to revive such mass courses in schools
      What do we need, but the parasites from the Ministry of Education? Already conduct tolerance lessons, but there is no NVP
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 5 December 2013 09: 58 New
        +7
        Quote: Denis
        Already conduct tolerance lessons, but there is no NVP

        We have everything according to Chernomyrdin. We wanted the best, but it will come out as always. The authorities say one thing, but in reality another. Money is allocated to educational institutions only to pay for communal services, and to pay salaries to teachers. Hence the requisitions in schools. Although the management of education says the opposite. Drive such populations from Manage. Form.
        1. Denis
          Denis 5 December 2013 11: 40 New
          +3
          Quote: Sirocco
          Drive such populations from Manage. Form.
          And who will drive, the same?
          Everyone knows that the raven will not peck out the crow
      2. Yoshkin Kot
        Yoshkin Kot 5 December 2013 12: 02 New
        +8
        private traders rule, change the soviet law on weapons, and people themselves, at their own expense, will reach shooting ranges and shooting ranges, this will give an impetus to both sniping and shooting sports, and can radically improve the position of our gunsmiths and the cartridge industry
        1. Locksmith
          Locksmith 5 December 2013 12: 16 New
          +2
          Quote: Yoshkin Cat
          private trader drives

          Duc now without any problems - signed up for a while and go shoot, but if there is money and rather big ones, I took my daughter to shoot a pistol, for four 5000 rubles, not every time there is "extra" money, but my daughter fumbles, let's go shoot, I liked it. wink
      3. Antabka
        Antabka 6 December 2013 16: 46 New
        +1
        Do not worry if what happens they will find a warm place for their asses
    2. EtickayaSila
      EtickayaSila 5 December 2013 10: 00 New
      23
      I agree. I finished the usual school in the small Belorussian town of Orsha and we had a large shooting range in the basement where they shot with small-caliber rifles, AKSU were inoperative for assembly-disassembly and equipment of shops, in the summer they went to the military range to shoot from machine guns, and in the Dnieper they dug trenches in the park and trained to run in short dashes, hiding behind the folds of the terrain (the girls were sunbathing at the same place on the grass) THIS WAS CORRECT!
      1. Mister X
        Mister X 5 December 2013 14: 51 New
        +6
        Quote: EtickayaSila
        and in the Dnieper park dug trenches and trained to run in short dashes, hiding behind the folds of the terrain

        My brother came out even more comical:
        "Early spring. Normal school day. The last pair is NVP.
        The boys are dressed as usual: trousers, sweaters, light jackets.
        Voenruk enters the classroom and announces that we have interesting practical exercises in the fresh air today.
        We lined up on the street, gas masks were handed out to us, the military instructor jumped onto the Bobik’s bandwagon and gave the go-ahead:
        “Run the march!”
        And we ran. And our military instructor either overtakes us, then lags behind and watches,
        so that no one put a matchbox between the cheek and gas mask.
        Having run about three kilometers, we got to the park with a lake.
        And there we had to comprehend the art of covert movement over rough terrain,
        digging trenches, camouflaging and wading through water barriers.
        "

        Let me remind you that it was early spring in the yard, the snow had already melted and the ground was already slightly dry,
        but grass and leaves on the trees have not yet appeared.
        And the boys crawled along Plastunsky in search of last year's leaves to disguise their positions.
        And the clothes were wet at all: they forced the lake.
        In Soviet times, from school, they taught children "to endure all the hardships and deprivations of military service".
        1. Gomunkul
          Gomunkul 5 December 2013 16: 43 New
          +4
          In Soviet times, from school, they taught children "to endure all the hardships and deprivations of military service".
          That’s for sure, we spent two weeks at military training camps for 9 weeks in tarpaulin tents at the training ground, dug trenches, overcame obstacle courses, etc., etc. But two episodes were especially remembered:
          1. When our NVPeshnik led us with a naked torso to overcome an obstacle course for scouts.
          2. March cast 5 km along the tank with training elements of the battle.
          I forgot to add, from the benefits of civilization there was only cold water (the benefit of June was hot)
          hi
          1. Antabka
            Antabka 6 December 2013 16: 48 New
            0
            It is a pity there are few such men
    3. Antabka
      Antabka 6 December 2013 16: 44 New
      +2
      I read about the defense of the Brest Fortress. From the first hours, the Germans did not heal from well-aimed shots from the Russian side. I don’t think that there were optics in the fortress. The preparation was at the level
  • erased
    erased 5 December 2013 08: 22 New
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    a sniper is a too anti-human front line profession, making no distinction between those who set a goal to exterminate half of the world's population and those who opposed this goal

    This Belarusian fool is apparently crazy. What does she write about?

    Snipers could be said to be an elite infantry, along with scouts. Honor and glory to them! Especially to women for whom war is an abnormal condition!
    Such specialists were sorely lacking in Chechnya. What do you mean, forgotten the lessons of the past.
    1. rodevaan
      rodevaan 6 December 2013 13: 05 New
      +6
      Quote: erased
      a sniper is a too anti-human front line profession, making no distinction between those who set a goal to exterminate half of the world's population and those who opposed this goal

      This Belarusian fool is apparently crazy. What does she write about?

      Snipers could be said to be an elite infantry, along with scouts. Honor and glory to them! Especially to women for whom war is an abnormal condition!
      Such specialists were sorely lacking in Chechnya. What do you mean, forgotten the lessons of the past.


      - In Chechnya, there were enough of our specialist snipers who brought down all this scumbag very competently and professionally. No need to tell stories. It’s not their fault that our tolerant enemies of the people — degenerate shit-headed democrats with all their might did not allow the army to fight normally and crush all this evil spirits quickly and in an organized manner. The war with the bandits there - it was not a war, it was a shameful and massive betrayal of Russian soldiers and officers who remained loyal to the country and fought not so much with bearded thugs, but with all this apical gang that was at the helm of the country and profited from the deaths of a simple Russian military. And despite this, our soldier won here too.

      And the modern Belarusian fool simply does not know what he is writing about. When all this dense herd of wild German subhumans burned out and destroyed a third of Belarus, and that thanks to ordinary soldiers and officers, and snipers in particular, this fool now, born and alive, sits here and scribbles her letters - for some reason then these fools do not think.
      But every fascist, destroyed by snipers, could kill our soldier, citizen, child, could ruin another house, shoot another family.
      She just does not understand what could happen if our nameless sniper did not destroy his 59th fascist, who imagines himself to be misunderstood by someone, her grandfather, a front-line hero who took Berlin, would not have returned home. And there would be another grief in yet another of our Russian-Belarusian-Ukrainian families.
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 5 December 2013 08: 53 New
    +5
    Could our snipers be terrified at nemchuru! Well done and real Heroes!
  • makarov
    makarov 5 December 2013 08: 54 New
    +5
    Most importantly, the sniper school has not disappeared, continues to develop on the basis of experience and traditions.
    1. igordok
      igordok 5 December 2013 09: 46 New
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      Quote: makarov
      Most importantly, the sniper school has not disappeared, continues to develop on the basis of experience and traditions.

      Yes, but before the war mass training in shooting circles. The badge "Voroshilovsky shooter" was worth what. And now it doesn't smell like a mass.
      1. svp67
        svp67 5 December 2013 12: 01 New
        +4
        Quote: igordok
        Voroshilov shooter badge

        This is good, but you can also go a slightly different path, for example, may all patriotic citizens forgive me, the German army - to introduce a "cord" For excellent shooting "" of different degrees - for a full dress
        1. kaktus
          kaktus 5 December 2013 16: 57 New
          +3
          don't, let the enemies strangle themselves, the badge is better yes
      2. Not served
        Not served 6 December 2013 16: 10 New
        -1
        And Klim Voroshilov himself didn’t shoot ...
    2. Sergey_K
      Sergey_K 5 December 2013 14: 36 New
      0
      In Ukraine, is it missing?
  • Ols76
    Ols76 5 December 2013 08: 58 New
    +3
    Interesting article +
  • Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 5 December 2013 08: 59 New
    +9
    To be a sniper you need nerves from steel ropes. I tried, but could not, honestly. Therefore, I sincerely admire them. soldier
  • Kazakh
    Kazakh 5 December 2013 09: 02 New
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    In the photo of the face, these are not at all heroic ordinary boys. And without any show-offs, the Nazis were piled on. I am proud of these people, I hope these still live among us.
  • Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 5 December 2013 09: 16 New
    +8
    It’s good to talk about humanism while sitting in a warm apartment, on a soft couch, holding a glass of cognac in the other hand, squeezing the remote control from the n-inch plasma, reasoning that we should not re-shoot, but just re-educate.
    That's just getting on the line of fire to think a little easier. Or you shoot or shoot you. There is no third.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 5 December 2013 09: 40 New
    +1
    There was a Finn alone, he say the number one in the world. the rest of the list is all ours.
    1. schta
      schta 5 December 2013 14: 23 New
      +6
      Finn No. 1 Simo Haihe received a Russian bullet in the face. but he survived and no longer approached the gun.
    2. Fedya
      Fedya 6 December 2013 23: 03 New
      0
      And he shot without optics!
  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 5 December 2013 10: 02 New
    +4
    The Soviet sniper just missed the finale, by the way, among the Fritz there were also many who have a personal score of 400+, and on the topic if there are no humane or anti-human professions in the war.
    1. schta
      schta 5 December 2013 14: 26 New
      +2
      Our sniper did not slap him, the Finn died about a couple of decades ago.
  • ivanovbg
    ivanovbg 5 December 2013 10: 17 New
    0
    Recently I read the memoirs of the German sniper Gunter Bauer "Death through a telescopic sight". If anyone is interested in what the Second World War looked like on the other hand, I warmly recommend it. The German sniper's craft is described in a very professional and realistic, albeit very inhuman way.
  • hummel83
    hummel83 5 December 2013 10: 22 New
    +6
    The article is not bad but the rating is taken from the ceiling. Here is another rating:
    http://www.wio.ru/galgrnd/sniper/sniperru.htm
    The truth about the winner of the first place (702 victories) is written that he is the fruit of Soviet propaganda and the place is being challenged. Be that as it may, behind him another 2 of ours (601 and 534 victories). 4 - ed65b, Simo Häihä in 4th place. But the main thing is not only quantity but also quality - some managed to kill generals, and some specialized as "anti-snipers" - IMHO winning a duel with a sniper is more expensive than a dozen removed enemy soldiers. Example - Vasily Ivanovich Golosov took 70 !! enemy snipers trained and trained many snipers, died when he was spotted and covered with artillery
  • pensioner
    pensioner 5 December 2013 10: 33 New
    +8
    Even in the early days of the war, the Germans noticed that the Russians were shooting very accurately. This is noted, for example, in the reports on the division that stormed the Brest Fortress. Specifically in which book I don’t remember, but absolutely sure that I read them. Then there was no smell of mass sniper movement. It started later. It's just that our Red Army personnel fired very well. They learned to shoot while still in civilian life. If my memory serves me, then the badge "Voroshilovsky shooter" was awarded to 10 million. man!
    1. The polar
      The polar 5 December 2013 12: 03 New
      +3
      In the memoirs of Manstein it was said that the Russian soldiers had excellent shooting training. Many killed forehead or temple
  • Denga
    Denga 5 December 2013 10: 40 New
    +9
    Quote: Fitter65
    Around the same time, when an article about our snipers appeared in the magazine, a book-memoir of a German sniper appeared, I don't remember the author anymore. Honestly, I read halfway, there is such a rush about his "heroic" adventures that Rudel's memories are against the background of this " The memoirs "look true. True, the lad, respected, took a Russian rifle," she beat further and more precisely "... I read until the moment when he killed almost a squad of Red Army soldiers who were walking along the path to the back of each other's head with one shot from this rifle After that, the book migrated to the jolt, in the car park. Well, I think in a couple of hours "true" experts who will explain why the German snipers were better, how they fought competently, and so on, and so on. mugs signed on the defeated Reichstag, and went home to raise their ruined, developed Europeans, their property.


    At one time I saw a book by a German sniper on the eastern front, at first I wanted to buy and read, but then I thought that from my money, even if it’s a penny, I’ll pay royalties to this nits that killed Soviet soldiers, in general I didn’t buy this book . This is so far the only case in my life when I did not start buying a book for ideological reasons, and by the way the reviews of people who read this book are very similar to yours.
  • Balalaikin
    Balalaikin 5 December 2013 10: 45 New
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    About Volodya Sniper http://politikus.ru/articles/7869-o-volode-snaypere.html
    Volodya did not have a walkie-talkie, there were no new "bells and whistles" in the form of dry alcohol, drinking tubes and other junk. There was not even unloading, he did not take the bulletproof vest himself. Volodya had only an old grandfather's hunting carbine with captured German optics, 30 rounds, a flask of water, and a cookie in his jacket pocket. Yes, there was a shabby hat with earflaps. The boots, however, were good, after last year's fishing he bought them at a fair in Yakutsk, right on the rafting at Lena's from some visiting traders.

    This is how he fought for the third day. A sable fisherman, an 18-year-old Yakut from a distant reindeer camp. It had to happen that I came to Yakutsk for salt and ammunition, accidentally saw on TV in the dining room heaps of corpses of Russian soldiers on the streets of Grozny, smoking tanks and some words about "Dudaev's snipers". It crashed into Volodya's head, so much so that the hunter returned to the camp, took his earned money, and sold the washed gold. I took my grandfather's rifle and all the cartridges, stuffed the icon of Nicholas the pleaser in my bosom, and went to fight the Yakut for the Russian cause. ...
    1. Andrey Ulyanovsky
      Andrey Ulyanovsky 5 December 2013 13: 09 New
      +3
      Thanks for the link. Read on one. That's right, there are no countries without patriots!
  • Stas57
    Stas57 5 December 2013 11: 37 New
    +5
    "Russian sniper is something terrible"
    any sniper is something terrible, in our memoirs there are also enough moments describing how the sniper was annoyed. After all, the presence of a sniper is an increased danger for command personnel and so on.
    but personally I admire ours, lie for several hours under the sun or in the heat for the sake of 1! shots ...
  • Svyatoslavovich
    Svyatoslavovich 5 December 2013 11: 44 New
    +4
    Grandma's neighbor, Baba Katya, was a sniper during the war years and said that they spent all their free time from "hunting" at the shooting range. I had to tie a pillow made of a greatcoat cloth to my shoulder, as there was a bruise on my shoulder.
  • SIT
    SIT 5 December 2013 11: 47 New
    +6
    In the pictures in marine caps, the girls are completely. Men do not have enough health for all to lie on the ground like this all day. And after all, there were no polyurethane rugs then. And how in the cold? Before dusk, when you can already dump, a couple of times you still have to think about it. But it’s over 30 in the heat, in the cold it can and does itch more than once I don’t know, thank God I haven’t tried it. Well, if by greed it was gobbled up by something unfamiliar and the belly twisted then, then, with full pants, even in the heat, the buzz is still the same. Yes, and all the insects that are in the district flock to the smell, and if you move, they will spot and then the star. They will start firing frantically from all systems and calibers as if a tank regiment had turned on them in attack.
  • The polar
    The polar 5 December 2013 11: 59 New
    +3
    And where is the hero of Stalingrad Zaitsev Vasily?
    1. Fedya
      Fedya 6 December 2013 23: 11 New
      +2
      This is Vasily Zaitsev.
  • svp67
    svp67 5 December 2013 12: 09 New
    +9
    How many women were among snipers ...






  • hummel83
    hummel83 5 December 2013 12: 16 New
    +4
    Zapolyarets - he is not even in the top twenty account (in my opinion he has less than 200 victories). But I repeat the account - this is a relative matter - in 3 months of fighting in Stalingrad, he destroyed something in the region of 150 - he did not just get out of his position. Plus, when he became famous, he began to be sent to train other snipers, he was a theoretician, he developed the action of sniper pairs (4-and 6-ok), organized a sniper movement.
  • alex-kon
    alex-kon 5 December 2013 12: 18 New
    +2
    Yes well done! To begin with, I began to teach the same small ones on pneumatics. We will change to grow. laughing
  • svp67
    svp67 5 December 2013 12: 19 New
    +4
    But who fought against our soldiers ...


    And here is an interesting photo

    German sniper uses a Soviet camouflage cape, compare, here are our border guards before the war
    1. Snoop
      Snoop 6 December 2013 07: 18 New
      +2
      So the Germans were not particularly obscured by sniping (West. Term) before the Second World War. They have the same blitzkrieg tactics, so the snipers faded into the background. In the USSR, on the contrary, they attached great importance to sniper art.
      Here is the pre-war badge of the Red Army sniper.
      Here is a quote from a foreign article on World War II snipers:

      “Highly skilled snipers were worth their weight in gold during World War II. Fighting on the Eastern Front, the Soviets positioned their snipers as experienced shooters, markedly dominant in many respects. The Soviet Union is the only one that trained snipers for ten years, preparing for war. Their superiority is confirmed by their "death lists". Experienced snipers killed many people and, of course, were of great value. "
      "... after World War I, the Germans had great experience in the field of sniping. But after the Wehrmacht adopted the Blitzkrieg lightning war tactics, sniping was relegated to the background. The Germans remembered their valuable experience of World War I only when they faced Soviet tactics. "sniper terror" (a term of Western sources). The military of all the leading countries of the world in the 30s forgot about the sniper art, considered it an interesting experiment in the Great Positional War, but devoid of a future, they saw the future only in the war of engines, with the exception of the Soviet military leadership ".
      sniper badge
      1. Fedya
        Fedya 6 December 2013 23: 14 New
        0
        Do not ! Fritz had sniper schools! Http: //www.youtube.com/watch? V = 5W-oOYCPwfk
  • Ivan Pomidorov
    Ivan Pomidorov 5 December 2013 12: 36 New
    +7
    some publicists and researchers in Russia are trying to assert in society the opinion that a sniper is a too anti-human front line specialty


    And almost always, scum, imagining themselves to be a "superior race", having received a worthy rebuff, begins to whine about "humanism" and "democratic values".
    With such, the orders "not to take prisoners" are absolutely fair, unless only 1-2 copies for a show trial and capital punishment.
  • morpex
    morpex 5 December 2013 12: 47 New
    12
    The article is a plus. I would really add Smolyachkov Feodosiy Artemyevich here. In the Red Army since 1941 of the year, from the same year on the front of the Great Patriotic War. In battles on the Leningrad Front, he destroyed 125 German soldiers and officers, having spent all 126 cartridges. He died in the Pulkovo area on 15 on January 1942 of the year, from a German sniper bullet. He was buried at the Chesmensky cemetery.
    By a decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of February 6 on February 1942 for exemplary performance of combat missions of command on the front of the struggle against Nazi invaders and the courage and heroism shown to them, Red Army soldier Smolyachkov Feodosiy Artemyevich was posthumously awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union.
    He was awarded two orders of Lenin.
  • Corsair
    Corsair 5 December 2013 13: 08 New
    15
    Quote from the article:
    Lyudmila in the battles for Odessa and Sevastopol destroyed 309 Nazi soldiers and officers (this is the highest result among female snipers).

    Lyudmila Mikhailovna Pavlyuchenko, (1916 — 1974) - sniper of the 25th Chapaev Infantry Division, major, Hero of the Soviet Union (1943).
    After being wounded in 1942, she was seconded to the United States and Canada with a propaganda mission, which she carried out with honor.

    In particular, Lyudmila spoke before the International Student Assembly in Washington, before the Congress of Industrial Organizations (CIO), as well as in New York, but many remembered her performance in Chicago. “Gentlemen,” a clear voice rang out over the crowd of thousands. - I am twenty five years old. At the front, I already managed to destroy three hundred and nine fascist invaders. Do you not think, gentlemen, that you have been hiding behind my back for too long ?! ” The crowd froze for a minute, and then exploded with the frantic noise of approval ...
    1. UzRus
      UzRus 5 December 2013 15: 35 New
      +2
      Don't you think, gentlemen, that you have been hiding behind my back for too long? - Yeah, I found someone to contact ... Until our half-Europe was ironed, these pin-ups did not open the 2nd front.
      The crowd froze for a minute, and then exploded with the frantic noise of approval ... - Exactly, the noise of approval of the forces was enough.
  • Valkyrie
    Valkyrie 5 December 2013 13: 09 New
    +3
    In general, war is an inhuman thing, but in war all means are good. These "humanists" are all from the same series as the liberals with tolerasts. They themselves would be sent to war, given a toy pistol in their hands and let them fight in humane ways.
    Many thanks to the author of the article.
    1. xan
      xan 5 December 2013 14: 09 New
      +5
      Quote: Valkyrie
      War is generally inhumane, and in war all means are good.

      Suvorov: "If we do not send them to the underworld, we will go there ourselves" What the hell is humanity?
  • Kowalsky
    Kowalsky 5 December 2013 13: 34 New
    +5
    Ilyin is a fellow countryman. If I am not mistaken, in Lugansk there is neither a street with his name, nor a monument even more so. We must not forget the heroes.
  • Luga
    Luga 5 December 2013 13: 34 New
    +7
    "In the previous decade, at the suggestion of the Belarusian writer Svetlana Aleksievich, some publicists and researchers in Russia are trying to assert in society the opinion that a sniper is an overly inhuman front-line specialty ..."

    Here ... If I am not mistaken, in the memoirs of the sniper Nikolayev (Leningrad Front) I read how he shot the first fascist on a hunt in the thigh, and then shot those who tried to pull out the wounded. The gansik is lying, moaning, there are already three or four corpses around him, the rest are afraid to approach ... And so he could moan all day. An excellent demoralizing effect, in my opinion, from the "did everything right" series. Nobody invited them to us. "An inhuman profession ..." It was a very humane profession - the wounded were finished off before leaving the position. So as not to suffer, and most importantly, so as not to recover.
    1. SIT
      SIT 5 December 2013 16: 21 New
      +5
      Quote: Luga
      Here ... If I'm not mistaken, in the memoirs of a sniper Nikolaev (Leningrad Front) I read how he shot the first fascist in the thigh on a hunt, and then shot back those who tried to pull out the wounded. Lies gansik, moans, around him already three or four corpses, the rest are afraid to come

      In this situation, it is necessary to change the position at least 2 times, and during this time the wounded will be dragged out. If the position is not changed, then 5 shots from one position is 100% in response to half an hour of mortar fire at the clipped place, not counting all the surrounding machine gunners. There is no chance for the sniper to survive.
      As for humanity, on the contrary, a sniper is the most humane option. He shoots 3 fingers above the bulletproof vest. It is immediately to the ladies without torment. Lying and stuffing back the intestines cut by fragments from a mine, howling from pain, is much less humane, but the end is the same.
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  • Bort radist
    Bort radist 5 December 2013 13: 45 New
    +8
    Here is an entertaining story of how a German officer was killed "through" a steel barge. Kravchenki - a family of snipers - family in a row.
    "Imagine: the front line was on the river, on one side the Germans dug in and they knew that on the other, our snipers were guarding them, and the distance was decent - 800 - 900 meters, around the plain. The Kravchenkos killed several soldiers and grazed the protruding officer's room all day long. stereoscopic tube, but they never fired so as not to betray themselves.
    But the officer was also not, and did not look out. Though cry. Suddenly they see: a long, rusty, charred, half-flooded barge is dragging along the river, and when it was swimming, completely blocked the officer from snipers, the German “did not disappoint” - he decided to stretch his arms and legs that had been numb during the day and straightened to his full height. Kravchenko immediately killed him, although they did not see through the barge, but felt that he had to look out of the trench.
    It’s just that a German, like you was not a sniper, didn’t know that at such a distance the bullet describes such a high arc that even a barge could fit under it,
    one and a half meters, two meters high ... "
  • Internal combustion engine
    Internal combustion engine 5 December 2013 13: 54 New
    +5
    On the spot to kill the enemy in many cases is ineffective. It’s better to hurt, but so naturally that there is an irretrievable loss (hit the joint, for example). With this option, the enemy will be forced to divert significant forces to deliver the wounded from the contact line to the rear. Of course, such a recommendation is not for all types of combat. But for the specifics of the ongoing war in Syria, snipers of the Syrian Republican forces can recommend just such a tactic for shooting bandits. When watching videos shot on this conflict, you can see how many militants spend energy on evacuating the wounded. It is clear that the distraction does not strengthen the cutting edge.
    1. hummel83
      hummel83 5 December 2013 14: 18 New
      +2
      so the Germans did, we behaved differently)) - only when you need to thwart the attack did you use these methods
  • sashka
    sashka 5 December 2013 14: 25 New
    -1
    Ukrainian athletes have not lost touch with society .. In Chechnya, everything showed up ..
    1. terp 50
      terp 50 5 December 2013 15: 47 New
      0
      ... the Baltic states are the same ...
      1. SIT
        SIT 5 December 2013 16: 34 New
        +4
        Quote: terp 50
        Balts - the same ...

        These bitches were lucky that they shot at the untrained guys. For such things as shooting in the balls, etc., it is customary for "persons interested in working in Africa and who know how to shoot" to hunt down, take it alive and then ... In short, they won't let you die in less than a couple of days, but every second you will regret that just came into the world.
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    2. morpex
      morpex 5 December 2013 18: 57 New
      +5
      Quote: Sasha
      Ukrainian athletes have not lost touch with society .. In Chechnya, everything showed up ..

      Let's facts. Photo. Surnames. Proof of the studio. And it is better in another article. It’s not necessary even when it comes to the heroes of the Great Patriotic War, breed s.r.a.ch ...
    3. Vasek
      Vasek 5 December 2013 20: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: Sasha
      Ukrainian athletes have not lost touch with society .. In Chechnya, everything showed up ..


      You, Sasha, count how many Ukrainian names are on the list of our best snipers during the Second World War!
      8 out of 20, i.e. 40% off!
      (This is information for those who ask "What do we care about Ukraine?").
    4. Antabka
      Antabka 7 December 2013 00: 28 New
      0
      It is not necessary only to blacken Ukraine. Didn’t they sell their military chambers to Chechens?
  • schta
    schta 5 December 2013 14: 41 New
    +2
    minute memory. "Russian anti-snipers".
    1939. Belofinskaya. The Finns widely used snipers. ours suffered losses. But by the time of the Voroshilov offensive, mobilized Karelians and Pomors began to hunt hunters. The same Simo Haiha was calculated and shot.
    1941. The massive use of Russian snipers took out the Germans to retaliate. The number of German snipers began to grow. Russian snipers were originally trained as "hunter hunters". Simple shooting of infantry - for beginners. And the destruction of enemy snipers is for professionals who did not waste their little things.
    and .... yes. The main contribution to the Victory was made by the "gods of war", and snipers in "general numbers" were a drop in the ocean.
    1. hummel83
      hummel83 5 December 2013 15: 25 New
      +3
      I agree that art-correctors were more effective - but they were not allowed to work as a sniper wink
    2. iConst
      iConst 5 December 2013 15: 56 New
      +5
      Quote: schta
      and .... yes. The main contribution to the Victory was made by the "gods of war", and snipers in "general numbers" were a drop in the ocean.

      Do not underestimate the contribution of snipers to the Victory Piggy bank. The girls and boys that stood at the machine tools did not bang a single Fritz. So what?

      But snipers - the demoralizing component was no worse than artillery ...
    3. m262
      m262 5 December 2013 20: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: schta
      snipers in "general numbers" are a drop in the bucket.

      Quote: schta
      snipers in "general numbers" are a drop in the bucket.

      But what a psychological effect !!!
      1. officer29
        officer29 6 December 2013 22: 53 New
        0
        Quote: m262
        Quote: schta
        snipers in "general numbers" are a drop in the bucket.

        Quote: schta
        snipers in "general numbers" are a drop in the bucket.

        But what a psychological effect !!!

        As a kid, he was lying in the hospital with a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, so he said that sniper gunners who could get into an attacking enemy were highly valued, an armor-piercing projectile split a man in two along or across!
  • 123321
    123321 5 December 2013 15: 28 New
    0
    Quote: svskor80
    Men, who walked along the path in the back of the head to each other. After that, the book migrated to the tremor

    The so-called TRP
  • iConst
    iConst 5 December 2013 15: 36 New
    +1
    I fired several times, but I realized that many of them would hide anyway. He quickly ran to the dead machine gunners, the machine gun was in good condition, and I opened fire on the Nazis with their own weapons. Then we counted about a hundred murdered Nazis. ”

    Excuse me, but crap. Shoot a hundred with one number!

    A machine gun - and it was either the 34th or 42nd (one FIG) - makes about 1000 rounds per minute. Single shooting mode is inefficient. Short burst - 4-5 rounds (for a trained machine gunner!).
    The tapes were mostly 250 rounds (assembled from 50 rounds).

    Attacking Fritz - one and a half hundred. Not every line reaches the goal. If we admit that the Fritz were inexperienced and every second (!) Turn reached the goal, then 80 Fritz in 2 stages for 5 rounds = 800 rounds. With intense fighting, firing 250 rounds - you need to change the barrel. And also a tape. By oneself! Plus time - they walked like sleepy flies?

    Who will explain how this is possible?

    I understand if Max was standing: he has water, and most importantly - a shield! But still - alone ...
    1. atalef
      atalef 5 December 2013 16: 37 New
      +4
      In Israel, the * Aliya * battalion was created, mainly from the former Soviet military who had passed Afghanistan, Chechnya, special forces soldiers. At first they were generally involved in security in the territories, but then at the height of the second intifada they began to be attracted as snipers. As a rule, they worked closely with the Givati ​​brigade. Healthy men, aged - there were just legends about them. They left in the morning and returned in the evening, and only messages from Shabak (they are in charge of internal intelligence and intelligence in the territories) said how much they put there. As a result, they were disbanded. For a reason rather banal - they first shot, and then asked permission. Then many of them became sniper trainers.
      1. sergey72
        sergey72 5 December 2013 16: 53 New
        0
        In 2006, at the height of the Lebanese turmoil, they showed on the news an "anti-sniper" group - healthy men in Russian lumps with BB emblems.
        Quote: atalef
        * Aliya * battalion was created in Israel, mainly from
        Are you talking about them?
        1. atalef
          atalef 5 December 2013 19: 24 New
          0
          Quote: sergey72
          Are you talking about them?

          I don’t know exactly what and what the explosives were about, but they also fought in Lebanon.
          one told me. they shot one. so standing beside him. and he is already in agony, twitching. here the orderly (from conscripts) runs in, they are right there - the person dies. inject the infusion urgently. he injects an infusion. Well, he certainly dies ---- Roma tells him - well, he killed a man !!!
          The poor conscript then rehabilitated for a month.
      2. iConst
        iConst 5 December 2013 17: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        they said how much they put there

        Each one hundred a day? Yes, the Arabs should have already ended ... laughing

        I'm talking about this episode.
      3. officer29
        officer29 6 December 2013 23: 03 New
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        I can supplement the above. My colleague, who is currently living in Israel, said that on his own initiative, a special forces battalion was formed from former citizens of the USSR, and when this battalion demonstrated its skills and abilities (without weapons!), Representatives of the Israeli Ministry of Defense refused to arm it and suggested the battalion self-dissolve !!! hi
    2. Sibiriya
      Sibiriya 5 December 2013 17: 02 New
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      It all depends on the distance and skills. There were people who drew a figure from the Hotchkiss at 300
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 7 December 2013 10: 46 New
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        Quote: Siberia
        There were people who drew from hotchkiss at 300m

        1. Hero of the civil Epifan Kovtyukh (described by Serafimovich Prince "Iron Stream") - signed from "MAXIM".
        2. The commander R.Ya. Malinovsky in the First World War fought as a machine gunner on the Russian front (Prince R. Malinovsky "Soldiers of Russia"), then among the best Russian fighters fought on the western front as part of the Russian expeditionary corps.
  • Sibiriya
    Sibiriya 5 December 2013 17: 05 New
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    The article is positive but incomplete.
    Snipers fully began to cook during the Finnish as they encountered their cuckoos.
    Courses Voroshilov shooter also gave a lot in terms of shooting training.
    Restore them as many young people would be torn from all crap.
    1. iConst
      iConst 5 December 2013 17: 32 New
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      Quote: Siberia
      during the Finnish how they encountered their cuckoos.

      Why "cuckoos"? Finnish snipers did not sit in the trees - all lies.
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 5 December 2013 18: 28 New
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        Even as they sat. Finnish sniper nests on trees, at a height of ten to fifteen meters - a sample of camouflage. You can look directly at him and see nothing, the rope hoists on counterweights allowed you to rise and fall in seconds.
        1. iConst
          iConst 5 December 2013 19: 39 New
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          Quote: novobranets
          Even as they sat. Finnish sniper nests on trees, at a height of ten to fifteen meters - a sample of camouflage. You can look directly at him and see nothing, the rope hoists on counterweights allowed you to rise and fall in seconds.

          And where is it, my dear, you read it out - from the Writers who invented nonexistent episodes?
          Have you been to the Karelian Isthmus? Have you seen trees in winter?

          Go to the forest and first find such a tree to build an inconspicuous "nest" for yourself and the second - without shaking the snow from the branches!

          Lifts ... 10-15 meters ... Finnish "cuckoos" were sitting on baobabs, not otherwise!

          And sit in a tree in a "nest" in winter. And that winter turned out to be sooo warm ... laughing

          At one time I was fond of the winter war. And I read a lot, but not fiction, but summaries, archives, analysis, etc., all I could find.
          The Finns themselves were very surprised when they were asked questions about the "cuckoos".

          Perhaps, isolated cases / attempts were made, only this is pure suicide.
          1. novobranets
            novobranets 5 December 2013 19: 51 New
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            Sclerosis is damned, remind me when we drank it on the Brudershaft. And Finns are born hunters who have been missing in the forest for weeks in the winter.
            1. iConst
              iConst 5 December 2013 19: 55 New
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              Quote: novobranets
              Sclerosis is damned, remind me when we drank it on the Brudershaft.

              Oh, come on ... But if you really offended me - sorry ...

              But, by the way - drinks - I pour - your health ... laughing
            2. iConst
              iConst 5 December 2013 19: 59 New
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              Quote: novobranets
              And Finns are born hunters who have been missing in the forest for weeks in the winter.

              Oh dear, well, don’t talk about the Finns - I know these hot guys very well. Himself in St. Petersburg.

              For weeks - it is to walk through the forest: move and come to the hunting lodge in the evening. And do not sleep in the snow.

              Myths, myths again ...
              1. novobranets
                novobranets 5 December 2013 20: 48 New
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                accidentally drew attention to the remains of a structure erected on a tree. A second similar construction was found nearby. In one case, a ladder was leaning against a tree, in another, nails from boards nailed to the trunk, performing the same function, were preserved. The structures themselves are made of planks and thick branches, where an adult could comfortably accommodate. Naturally, we can assume that at one time this could have been a "cuckoo's nest", as well as a platform for observing or adjusting fire, a hunting structure, a huntsman's observation tower, just child's play or something else.

                In support of the nest I can bring the following arguments:

                In both cases, the road that existed during the war and connected settlements or had access to the bay is viewed from above. I can definitely say only about one case, in the second I did not dare to climb a tree, but the place is on a hill and the probability that a section of the road will be visible is quite high.
                There are no old foundations left from residential buildings in the immediate vicinity of the structures.
                A shallow moat departs from a tree with a preserved staircase, connecting small grooves in the ground, most likely serving as a shelter, observing, or firing in a prone position, and leading to a collapsed dugout with an exhaust pipe. Estimated capacity of shelter-hole, no more than 1-2 people. Also nearby are the remains of a well in which there is still water. Given the above, we can talk not just about the nest, but a pre-prepared set of structures that allows the soldier to remain at his post autonomously and for quite a long time.
                Using a metal detector within the radius of 5 meters from the tree, the following objects were discovered:

                Nails of square section. The shape of the nails, namely their cross section and square hat, speak of Finnish origin.
                The button is metal, apparently copper.
                Bullet from a rifle or machine gun. There is a bullet, so there was a purpose for which it was released.
                Chunks of metal of irregular shape, most likely fragments from the shell.

                The general impression of what he saw and read of the books with the memoirs of the participants in the winter war was the following: A Finnish sniper soldier, dressed in a camouflage uniform, was placed on a previously prepared structure in the crown of a tree. The site is located in such a way as to provide an overview of the section of the road along which the enemy can move. At the same time, the observer remained inconspicuous, disguising himself in the branches and merging with other trees. A ladder was provided for ascent and descent, which allowed the Finnish soldier to quickly leave his post and hide in the forest. The term "cuckoo" itself is most likely due to the way of communication between snipers, in order to disguise the birds imitating the voice common in these parts, or because of the association of a structure with a nest. In addition to the tree, other shelters were also used, allowing the shooter to fire and remain invisible to the enemy.
                The photo from this article is one of several. drinks
                1. iConst
                  iConst 5 December 2013 21: 18 New
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                  Quote: novobranets
                  .
                  In support of the nest I can bring the following arguments:
                  .

                  I have doubts:
                  Firstly, for wooden structures 70 years in the open air in the Karelian climate - the period is incredibly long. The tree would have rotted long ago. Most likely this is a later construction.

                  Secondly, a staircase leaning against a tree is a clear sign, and it is difficult not to notice it. Making such a "nest" for the sake of one or two (with an insane risk) shots - and they will hardly give more - is a dubious occupation.
                  Moreover, where you need to know where to build in advance - not in front of the enemy, it will not work especially secretly.

                  It would be nice to know the coordinates of these structures. Much could explain.

                  If these are buildings of that time, then most likely it is a remote NP with a telephone or a walkie-talkie (which is a luxury), and not a firing point.
                  1. novobranets
                    novobranets 6 December 2013 15: 12 New
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                    The author was talking, it seems, about the Vyborg region. In general, it looks like a position, among various publications about "cuckoos", some details remain unchanged, a ladder, nailed or attached, a rope with a piece of log (a weight-compensating log), a dugout or a cache, a stream or a well nearby. as if they would have rotted, they would have survived in the wind. The wooden shutters of the houses, platbands, etc., do not last much longer.
                    To make such a "nest" for the sake of one or two (with a crazy risk) shots - and they will hardly give more
                    I can, if you want, bring the recollections of a battalion commander when Finnish snipers terrorized his battalion and the road to headquarters for a month. They managed to see their position against the background of the forest by chance, and a rare case was that they took a sniper.
        2. Kolovrat77
          Kolovrat77 6 December 2013 02: 51 New
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          the finns hit the canopy over the squares - you know what I mean — there is no flash — no sound can be heard — the fighters are falling — you’ve commanded the report —aaaa ep cuckoo — and it was spinning, and the fin is sitting in a firing point just pulling on tapes and crushing the nida with pressure on sweat Of course, we shawled what’s the trick, let’s identify and hammer them, but the report is already on top (and Russia is always Russia, even in Finnish, even in Chechen). Thoughts may not be mine, but I agree with them that at the beginning of the war the Finns had 1.5 dozen snipers (maybe a little more) for the whole herd.
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  • Bort radist
    Bort radist 5 December 2013 17: 08 New
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    Here is an interesting fact:
    Drowned men Pavel Mitrofanovich. Sniper shot down a plane.
    "Born in 1923. Since 1942 in the ranks of the Red Army, the Makinsky RVK (Kazakh SSR, Akmola region, Makinsky district) has been called up. Compatriot, I was also born near Akmola. Since September 26, 1942, on the fronts of the Great Patriotic War.

    On November 9, 1942, a sniper of the 4th rifle company of the 796th rifle regiment, senior sergeant P. M. Utoplennikov for the enemy plane shot down from a rifle and the destruction of 21 fascists, was presented by the regiment command to be awarded the Order of the Patriotic War of the 2nd degree.

    By order of the 40th Army of the Voronezh Front No. 69 / n dated December 14, 1942, he was awarded the Order of the Red Star. "
    To click.
    1. Asan Ata
      Asan Ata 5 December 2013 23: 08 New
      +1
      Zema drinks, I have parents from Makinsk!
      1. Bort radist
        Bort radist 6 December 2013 06: 24 New
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        Quote: Asan Ata
        Zema drinks, I have parents from Makinsk!

        I was born in Sandyktava, two months old I was transported to Siberia. Constantly went to my grandfather in Zerenda. From the smell of the steppe, I bastard - in a natural way. good drinks
        1. Asan Ata
          Asan Ata 9 December 2013 01: 37 New
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          Makinsk is no longer a steppe - it is coppice forests, birch and pine, but the steppe is nearby, a bit south. And above all this - an endless blue sky! The beauty!
  • kaktus
    kaktus 5 December 2013 17: 09 New
    +2
    S. Aleksievich has NO author’s condemnation of snipers, as well as other military specialties.
    "The war does not have a woman's face" - a collection of memoirs of participants in the war, none of them considered the war to be something
    "good". Forced, hard, often frightening work. Read the book before you scold. IMHO yes
  • JonnyT
    JonnyT 5 December 2013 17: 21 New
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    in addition to the article
    Young hero ...

    23 October 1941 the young Vasya Kurka volunteered to be admitted to the 726 rifle regiment of the 395 rifle (future Taman) division, which included a glorious military route from Torez to Tuapse, defending the Donbass and the Northwest Caucasus, and from Tuapse to Sandomira, freeing the Kuban, Taman, Right-Bank Ukraine and Poland, first an ordinary soldier of the rear unit, then a fighter sniper, commander of a small platoon and an instructor for training snipers.

    Vasya Kurka came to the regiment during the period of fierce battles with the German invaders over the Donetsk basin. He, a minor, was not trusted with weapons and was assigned to the rear units. He diligently performed all the work up to refueling kerosene lamps, and in April of the 1942 year when organizing sniper courses, Kurka, when he learned that the noble sniper orderly bearer Maxim Bryksin taught the courses, urged the regiment's command to enroll him cadet school snipers. His request was granted and by the 1 of May 1942 of the year, Vasya Kurka passed the exam for the title of “sniper” perfectly, and the 09.05.42 of the year opened a battle account, - he destroyed the German.

    By September 1942, Vasya Kurka destroyed the 31 invader, including 19 during the defense period on the Mius river. During the summer of 1943, the platoon commander Junior Lieutenant Vasily Timofeevich Kurka trained 59 snipers who exterminated over 600 invaders, and almost all of them were awarded orders and medals of the Soviet Union, and he increased his account to 138 exterminated invaders, of which only in the battles for Tamansky peninsula - 12.

    Even the enemies knew Vasya Kurka's name. A captured Wehrmacht officer at one of the interrogations showed: the German command is well aware that "among the Soviet units of General Grechko there is a super sniper, a sniper - an ace whose body almost fused with a rifle."

    Thanks to endurance and courage, Vasya Kurka became one of the most productive Soviet shooters. He was awarded the Order of the Red Banner (04.11.42) and the Red Star (31.10.43), the medal "For the Defense of the Caucasus", the Certificate of Honor of the Komsomol Central Committee, and a personalized sniper rifle for feats and military merits. Notes on the military merits of Vasily Kurka and his photographs during the war years were repeatedly published in the army and divisional newspapers “Banner of the Motherland” and “Red Warrior”.

    On 13 on January 1945, Lieutenant Kurka died of wounds received in a battle at the Sandomierz bridgehead.

    In total, the battle account of Vasily Kurcha 179 killed soldiers, including about 80 enemy officers, as well as one downed plane Fokke-Wulf-189 ("frame").
    1. Fedya
      Fedya 6 December 2013 23: 22 New
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      Well, in Soviet literature, I read two versions of his death! The first is that he was engaged in the adjustment from the factory pipe, and the second, that he looked out of time and was killed! How was it really?
  • polly
    polly 5 December 2013 17: 37 New
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    A beauty from the Arkhangelsk region hails, Roza Egorovna Shanina is a Soviet single sniper.
  • Black
    Black 5 December 2013 18: 03 New
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    Quote: Ingvar 72
    And the girls’s face is so kind, so kind ... laughing


    Yes, it is really good.
    But I don’t understand why the girls threw this into the hell ... Young girls — for the front line, in snipers, in the field by nurses — this is not their business.
  • novobranets
    novobranets 5 December 2013 18: 21 New
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    The mere understanding that an enemy sniper was sitting somewhere made his head sink into his shoulders. Effective fire could disrupt an attack. There is a good film "Sniper, a weapon of retaliation", it shows how in Stalingrad, a group of our snipers stopped the battalion's advance. It is because of the constant feeling of fear that snipers are not loved and are not taken prisoner. Neither ours nor those.
    1. iConst
      iConst 5 December 2013 20: 32 New
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      Quote: novobranets
      It is for a constant sense of fear that snipers are not loved, and are not taken prisoner. Neither ours nor those.

      Well, a feeling of fear without snipers can be. There, attack aircraft after the 43rd, all the veins of the Fritz were exhausted ...

      And they don’t like it more likely because from the point of view of a soldier this is somehow mean: often out of combat, and not face to face.

      A bit off topic: special attention was paid to the moment of "fraternization" both from one side and from the other. And snipers here played a very important role (from the point of view of command) of the irritant.

      In some areas (for example, Karelian), the fronts stabilized for a rather long period. And between the parties there were no combat contacts at all.

      Suddenly, it turned out that this hated Fritz is just a sausage who does not understand what kind of hell he is sitting here and fighting with the Russians.
      And only dreams to dump back to Germany.
      And the image of the bloodthirsty enemy began to melt.

      In general, such contacts adversely affected, as they would say now, the motivation of the fighters. And the command tried hard to suppress such phenomena.
  • George
    George 5 December 2013 20: 07 New
    +3
    Thank you for the article.
    Good Fritz piled.
  • vkrav
    vkrav 5 December 2013 21: 07 New
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    There are very good memoirs of a sniper Pilyushin who fought near Leningrad. Without any "drive" and other "action" people just did their job:
    http://militera.lib.ru/memo/russian/pilushin_ii/index.html
    Being seriously wounded and having lost his right eye, Pilyushin returned to duty, fought and trained snipers ... Not for the loot and not for show ... For the Motherland!
  • Obliterator
    Obliterator 5 December 2013 21: 23 New
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    A company of snipers appeared in the regiment .... of girls and young women! I distribute them according to duties in battalions, and there are already battalion commanders - in companies and nests. When I look now at the meetings of war veterans, where women snipers shine with their awards, I involuntarily recall that time. And already on the slope of my days I repeat that what is unnecessary in the army is a woman with a gun! It’s pointless and inefficient! Tall blondes are standing in front of me, my chest is a miracle, and on it one by one, two orders of the Red Banner. And they themselves are big-eyed, and look in search of gentlemen. Snipers! I have seen all such situations at the front ...
    They took them to their places. And they disappeared. No shooting is heard on our front lines either for days or at dawn. I’m walking along the trench in the 1st battalion, there are my own at the posts, but not a single woman sniper! Which settled down on dugouts with platoon commanders, foremen of companies or commanders ...
    The company commander could not collect his snipers - they disappeared in the trenches, and that’s all. Finally I found, but three have sunk into the water! The omniscience of the chief of staff Alexei Tsvetkov, later a retired colonel in Novosibirsk, and then a senior lieutenant, suggested: One is hiding from this, the other from that and the third there ...
    Found it. The company commander brought me their books with marks about the killed Fritz, confirmed by the inscriptions of soldiers and sergeants. Returning to him this, roughly speaking, bullshit, I said that he would have taken away his snipers as soon as possible. Otherwise, I will disarm them and sniper rifles, so necessary for us in the battalions, I will select. For the entire battalion we had only one such rifle. And then a whole arsenal ...

    Mikhail Suknev: "Notes of the battalion commander. Memories of the battalion commander 1941-1945."

    And there were such "snipers" too.
    1. iConst
      iConst 5 December 2013 21: 31 New
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      Obliterator, I will not say anything - but hold on. They don’t like this here! wink

      Personally, I do not believe in this libel.

      Everyone knows about the front-line wives. All people, all human beings were in a hurry to live, especially the youth. I'm sure there were episodes. But I don’t believe in such a general "6lyadstvo".

      However - this branch has already died out, so you will not break off much ... laughing
      1. Fitter65
        Fitter65 6 December 2013 02: 51 New
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        How it really was, we do not know, since any memory is subjective. And the same episode will be described for each in different ways. Someone did not "break off" and he lets throw mud at everyone. After perestroika, many began to tell " the true "truth about the war ...