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Do not recognize the territorial integrity of Russia? 20 yo think

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On the Day of Lawyer, President Vladimir Putin held a meeting with students of law faculties of metropolitan universities in the Moscow State University. The meeting discussed a variety of legal issues, constitutional clauses, and among all these issues, at least one seems to be particularly interesting. This question was asked by a graduate of one of the law schools. The question is related to whether one should ignore the statements of individual citizens (and often very reputable citizens) that, they say, Russia today is not able to cope independently with the development of all its territories. Is it worth it to introduce a certain responsibility of a person for statements about the possibility and, especially, about the need for several reasons to share Russian territories with certain states? At the same time, the young man who asked such a question noted that the “proposals” to share Russian lands today are not at all like freedom of speech, but to a greater degree resemble frank calls for violating the territorial integrity of the state.


Do not recognize the territorial integrity of Russia? 20 yo think


The president responded by saying that he was already familiar with the idea of ​​introducing criminal liability for statements about the need to tear away Russian lands in favor of foreign states. Sign, in particular, from the proposals of the Communist Party leader Gennady Zyuganov. It should be noted that those same Zyuganov proposals also did not appear from scratch. Recently it has become, if not fashionable, then for certain Russian citizens, it is quite natural to argue on the need to make territorial gifts to the neighbors on the globe. In particular, the director Sokurov argued about the need to transfer the Kuril Islands to Japan in 2011, stating that our people need to learn a lot from the people of Japan. More recently, on the Echo of Moscow radio station, journalist Evgenia Albats has broken out with the idea that nothing bad will happen for Russia if the country is divided along the Ural ridge. Professor of the HSE Sergey Medvedev said:

Russia has not brought anything good to the Arctic and will not bring it.


This time. AND

In an amicable way, Russia, as a failed and irresponsible host, has the Arctic to be taken away and put under international jurisdiction, like Antarctica, with a total ban on economic and military activities.


This two.

The Russian public is already familiar with the president’s reaction to Sergei Medvedev’s remarks. By the way, it was these words of the HSE professor that served as a reason for the deputy community to take the initiative to think about imposing criminal liability for calls for the division of Russia. How did the president react to such an initiative?

Vladimir Putin said that such statements can not be left without attention. At the same time, according to Putin, it is very important, as they say, not only not to overdo it with measures of responsibility, but also with underestimating the harm of the statements themselves. Referring to the conversation of the same Arctic, Putin noted that all the environmental problems that exist in the Arctic are manifested there not today and not yesterday:

Since Soviet times, left. What are we doing now? We are clearing the Arctic, we did it for the first time in 30, or maybe 50. Therefore, we need to talk about what we need to manage better in the Arctic. Yes. But to talk about how to reject the territory ...


At the same time, Putin noted that environmental problems today are not only complete in the Arctic, but this does not mean that those places where there are such problems need to be transferred to someone:

Do we have everything good in the Pskov Region? Maybe give the Pskov region? And what about us, ideally in Ryazan or in the Chelyabinsk region? There are also many problems. When I meet with statements of this kind, people either publicize themselves in such a way, not realizing what they are doing, or they are unscrupulous observers, or they are people who serve the interests of other states.


There (speaking about the Constitution) it is expressly stated that the state ensures the territorial integrity of the country, therefore any statements about the rejection of any territories from the Russian Federation are unconstitutional.


This task - to the deputies of the State Duma, to criminologists, specialists, to you (graduates of law schools).
Passing by such things and not noticing such things is definitely not to be done. It is necessary to notice and evaluate and say, and even more so, actions of this kind.


Meanwhile, the corresponding bill has already been submitted to the State Duma, according to which it is necessary to introduce criminal responsibility for appeals to extremism and, in particular, for denying the territorial integrity of the country. According to the letter of this bill, a citizen who, through the media, official position, an organized group or the Internet, calls for the rejection of one or another territorial part of Russia, threatens from imprisonment from 10 to 20. The bill, which is based on the above proposals of Gennady Zyuganov, will include deputies Mikhail Yemelyanov (“Fair Russia”), Yevgeny Fedorov and Anton Romanov (both are “United Russia”) under consideration in the lower house of parliament.

Of course, the responsibility for expressing the need for someone to transfer some part of the territory of Russia to transfer is a thing that is right and ripe. After all, if such reasoning becomes a habit in some circles, then future generations may have a sort of stereotype that we owe something to someone. And this can not be allowed. If someone is eager to transfer something to Japan, Estonia, the United Nations or someone else, then let him start with his personal property, it is possible and with himself - at least in parts ...

But one thing is statements about the denial of the territorial integrity of Russia, and another thing is actions. Those Sokurov with Albats and Medvedev (who is Sergey) - scratch their tongues to attract attention to their people, and after all, all the real possibilities of making territorial "gifts" are concentrated in the hands of the Russian authorities. How to deal with such, to put it mildly, strange geographically equatorial gifts like:

a) the most resource-rich part of the Barents Sea - Norway;
b) island territories on the Amur - China.

You can think for a long time about the fact that it was necessary to concede “some” island to a neighbor in order to obtain from it “eternal” guarantees of friendship and increase in the number of economic preferences. But such reflections, as they say, are not substantive. Not in essence, since friendship seems not to be sold or bought. After all, in order for a neighbor to greet and smile widely, no one signs him, for example, his bedroom or hallway ... Too generous, even if the neighbor is, well, a very good person.

And it’s not even so important who exactly such documents about the “offerings” in relation to the PRC and Norway were signed. The precedent is important. After all, where there is one gift, there may be a second, and there, where the second - and the third. That is why if responsibility is introduced, then it should be introduced not only for appeals, but also for actions. Otherwise, the effect of the initiative will be more like populism. But who is capable of catching the hand of those who give away land, not in words, but in deeds - this is a separate question ...
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  1. bomg.77
    bomg.77 5 December 2013 07: 30
    56
    it’s quite natural for certain Russian citizens to speculate on the need to make territorial gifts to neighbors around the globe.
    They are not entirely Russian. The fifth column has a different citizenship.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 5 December 2013 07: 41
      51
      According to the letter of this bill, a citizen who, through the media, official position, organized group or the Internet, calls for tearing away one or another territorial part from Russia, faces 10 to 20 years in prison.
      Oh, human rights defenders spit out, oh trouble, what trouble. What is not a word is a term that is not a phrase Kolyma crying
      I will be wondering who will vote against.
      1. Mitek
        Mitek 5 December 2013 08: 25
        42
        The reaction of human rights defenders is a kind of litmus test. If they squeal and howl, then everything is done correctly!) And in fact, it is high time to crush all this scum. I remember Kovalev’s bespectacled goat for life ... It’s a pity they didn’t let him fill up.
        1. Canep
          Canep 5 December 2013 08: 37
          +8
          Quote: Mitek
          The reaction of human rights defenders is a kind of litmus test. If they squeal and howl, then everything is done correctly!) And in fact, it is high time to crush all this scum.

          And how do we know if we are doing something right. Write yourself: if they say that everything is OK. And if there is no one to scream? These human rights defenders are needed, oh how necessary! They even need to give state awards for many years, but only to those who did not harm Russia by their rotation.
          1. seller trucks
            seller trucks 5 December 2013 12: 34
            +4
            There are also many problems. When I come across statements of this kind, these people either PR themselves in this way, not understanding what they are doing, or they are unscrupulous observers, or these are people who serve the interests of other states.(C)


            Let's be honest about Ukraine:

            1. Dulles Plan http://www.russkoedelo.org/mysl/misc...ulles_plan.php

            4. SEPARATION OR NATIONAL UNITY

            First of all, is it desirable in this case that the present territories of the Soviet Union remain united by one regime, or is it desirable to divide them? And if it is desirable to leave them united, at least to a large extent, what degree of federalism should the Russian government observe? What to do with the main national minorities, in particular with Ukraine?

            We have already noted the problem of the Baltic states. After the next war, the Baltic states should not remain under any communist rule. If the territory adjacent to the Baltic states is controlled by non-communist Russian authorities, we will have to be guided by the will of the Baltic peoples and the degree of moderation that the Russian authorities will tend to show towards them.

            In the case of Ukraine, the problem is completely different. Ukrainians are the most developed of the peoples controlled by Russia at present. In general, they are offended by Russian domination; their nationalist organizations abroad are active, listen to them. It would be easy to conclude that they should finally get freedom from Russian government and be realized as an independent state.

            We must be very careful with this conclusion. Simplicity itself makes it unsuitable in conditions of East European reality.
          2. seller trucks
            seller trucks 5 December 2013 12: 42
            +9
            Edward Mandel House , adviser to President Woodrow Wilson, is known by the nickname "Colonel House", although he had nothing to do with the US Army.
            Already at the beginning of 1918: "She (Russia) is too large and too homogeneous for our security. I would like to see Siberia as a separate state, and European Russia divided into three parts."

            (diary dated September 19, 1918): "... the rest of the world will live more calmly if instead of huge Russia there are four Russia in the world. One is Siberia, and the rest is the divided European part of the country."

            Wilson Thomas Woodrow (1856-1924). 28-th president of the USA (1913-1921)

            In October 1918, the Wilson government developed secret “comments on the 14 paragraphs”, which proposed to finally solve the “Russian issue” by dividing Russia into separate “independent areas” subject to the United States.

            The American rulers declared Russia “no longer existing” and demanded not only the separation of Poland, Finland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia from the former Russian Empire, but also the separation from Russia of Ukraine, Siberia, the Caucasus and other territories.

            US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright :
            "the greatest injustice,
            when such lands as Siberia are owned by Russia alone. "

            Zbigniew Brzezinski:

            (The American economist James K. Galbright once wrote in his article that "for Brzezinski it is a hobby to harm Russia."

            For Europeans, Siberia could turn out to be what Alaska and California together became at one time for the Americans: a source of enormous wealth, ... To keep Siberia, Russia will need help, it cannot cope with this task on its own in the conditions of its demographic decline and new trends in neighboring China. Thanks to a large-scale European presence, Siberia could eventually turn into a common Eurasian heritage, the use of which would be on a multilateral basis. Z. Bzezhinsky "Choice. World domination or global leadership".

            In the book "The Grand Chessboard" ("The Grand Chessboard" 1997), he directly speaks of the division of Russia into three state entities. Siberia with its natural resources, according to Brzezinski, should not be under the control of Moscow.

            James baker (US Secretary of State 1991): "We have spent trillions of dollars over the past 40 years to win the Cold War against the USSR. The main thing is that traitors have been found."

            Mitt Romney
            Former Massachusetts Governor and Republican Party presidential candidate Mitt Romney, in an interview with CNN 26 in March, described Russia as the geopolitical enemy of the United States 1.
            1. SPLV
              SPLV 5 December 2013 14: 20
              +3
              An excellent selection of statements by "great philosophers". Now it is necessary to present the opposite opinion to the United States.
        2. max702
          max702 5 December 2013 15: 35
          +1
          Was there an opportunity to fill up? If so, it’s a pity that they missed ... well then you are.
      2. Tersky
        Tersky 5 December 2013 08: 53
        +8
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I will be wondering who will vote against.

        Sasha hi ! Like who? List or guess yourself, laughing !
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 5 December 2013 08: 55
          +9
          Quote: Tersky
          List or guess yourself

          It is advisable to list surname, I want to know the heroes in face face
          Hello Victor hi
      3. APES
        APES 5 December 2013 08: 53
        +8
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        calls for tearing away from Russia


        it will be better if the law also bears responsibility for real affairs:

        and after all, all real possibilities of making territorial “gifts” are concentrated in the hands of the Russian authorities. What to do with such, to put it mildly, strange territorial-equatorial gifts such as: a) the resource-rich section of the Barents Sea - Norway; b) island territories on the Amur - China.


        After all, you can not call on anyone, and even like to "look after" for the Motherland, but at the same time perform obvious actions that cause damage ...
        1. 31231
          31231 5 December 2013 13: 08
          +4
          Well, about the richest site given to the taxes you are wrong. They gave just the same trifle, but they shoved the Shtokman located in the disputed territories to themselves. Stockman's stocks are many times more trifles that the norgs got.
          1. Azaat
            Azaat 5 December 2013 18: 23
            +1
            The Shtokman field is a purely Russian field, which is located next to Franz Josef Land, which at one time they tried to clean, and almost all disputed territories were given away. In these territories, in addition to fish resources, there is actually nothing, but these territories gave Russia the right to establish its own rules and catch and move goods. And we even refused to rent Svalbard.
            1. EdwardTich68
              EdwardTich68 5 December 2013 18: 29
              +3
              Why did they flog the nonsense, they didn’t give it up but divided it. No one rents and did not rent a Spitz.
              Under the agreement, any country can use Spitz to extract resources. If you do not
              You know absolutely nothing on this subject, why write something.
        2. Xroft
          Xroft 5 December 2013 13: 41
          0
          And for the incitement to the revolution will give time? but that is not some personality ....
      4. realist
        realist 5 December 2013 09: 42
        +3
        Duc this is how you can transplant a quarter of the Caucasus, and not only))))) in social networks - and this is also the "means" of this both about integrity and about Russia - it can be better to fine - simply and effectively!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 5 December 2013 09: 50
          10
          Quote: Realist
          - It may be better to fine - simply and efficiently!

          Fines of 20 billion were imposed by the courts for tax crimes and corruption, and 20 million were collected. hi
          1. APES
            APES 5 December 2013 10: 40
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            , and 20 millions are exacted. Here such efficiency


            20 million to the budget, but in fact the solution of such issues costs about 40%, i.e. 8 billion is what was recovered, but not in favor of the state.

            so this type of activity is effective, the question is in whose hands it is hi
        2. Ptah
          Ptah 5 December 2013 10: 52
          +2
          Quote: Realist
          It may be better to fine - simply and efficiently!

          I think so too. And the words "about 20 years" - populism and verbiage convenient to the place.
          What a simple peasant and thinks this in the kitchen (drunk), and in the morning and forget. And will never say publicly.
          And who is Mr Putin going to plant? Sadil of All Russia, damn it. Plant thieves for a start ....
          And on such as Albats, Gerberas, Shenderovichs, Bykovs - while the guts are thin. The same howl about the "Holocaust" will raise. Imprison the "human rights activists" themselves, but for "opinions".
          Horror, shame, cause democrats from across the ocean .....

          Here are millions of fines - you can try it. And then they will pay from foreign funds.
          Better "labor service". Bzdnul on the air about the "worthless region" - go to arrange. Build some kind of children's garden or plant, and then think about who you want to give.
          1. Valkyrie
            Valkyrie 5 December 2013 12: 15
            +4
            Think logically! They can’t plant thieves, but they will start verbiage? Fantasy!
      5. A.YARY
        A.YARY 5 December 2013 10: 19
        +2
        Video of this action was amusing
        [media = http: //tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201312031821-ndfy.htm]
      6. ReifA
        ReifA 5 December 2013 10: 19
        0
        For some reason it seems that the majority.
      7. Polovec
        Polovec 5 December 2013 13: 54
        +2
        As for the criminal punishment for these crimes, I vote with both hands! But this is categorically insufficient.
        Responsibility for posting and duplicating criminal statements should be borne by both publications and so-called journalists.
        This rabble today is more dangerous than any external enemy!
        It is necessary to stop the religious bacchanalia in the country. Religion must be separated from the state! Today, to the collapse of the country are the saints of all faiths.
        It is worth undertaking the construction of a expressway along the northern borders of our vast Motherland specifically for the employment of this public.
        And, of course, patriotic education of youth is necessary. From childhood, any citizen of the country must absorb the truth about the inviolability and holiness of the borders of our country.
        Kings have changed and will change. Among them were and will be both heroes and swindlers. But Russia is ours alone. So much so, for so many twenty-odd years we have so much that even with no king has succeeded.
        And the actions of government officials leading as a result of corruption or dementia to the loss of territories to punish the death penalty.
        And human rights activists are needed! Nobody wants lawlessness and lawlessness in society. But protecting rights and ruining a country are two different things.
        Me from Novodvorskaya, Alekseyeva, etc.
        1. chehywed
          chehywed 5 December 2013 15: 57
          +3
          Oh ... sorry, it fell ... belay
          1. chehywed
            chehywed 5 December 2013 16: 00
            +4
            Oh .. what is it ..? winked
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            2. alone
              alone 5 December 2013 21: 38
              +6
              Quote: chehywed
              Oh ... sorry, it fell ...


              Quote: chehywed
              Oh .. what is it ..?


              You ruined my appetite with these photos. I will sue YOU !! wassat
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 5 December 2013 21: 40
                +6
                Quote: lonely
                I will sue you!

                To strassburg wassat Better yet in The Hague for a crime against humanity am wassat
              2. chehywed
                chehywed 5 December 2013 22: 03
                +3
                Quote: lonely
                You ruined my appetite with these photos. I will sue YOU !!

                Well, why so soon ... I'll sue !!! Can we agree? I’m ready to compensate for the spoiled dinner with photos of Albats and Chirikova (with Nemtsov !!!). Agree ... wink
                1. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 5 December 2013 22: 21
                  +3
                  Quote: chehywed
                  Ready to compensate for the spoiled dinner with photos of Albats and Chirikova (with Nemtsov !!!).

                  Only in The Hague am How malicious nep ... damn it! recidivist wassat
                  1. chehywed
                    chehywed 5 December 2013 22: 42
                    0
                    Quote: chehywed
                    Ready to compensate for the spoiled dinner with photos of Albats and Chirikova (with Nemtsov !!!).

                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    Only in The Hague How malicious nep ... damn it! recidivist

                    I made unprecedented concessions. God sees that I wanted to solve the matter in peace. But since you SO pose the question ... My last sentence is A. Gerber. And mind you, just for you. Neither lonely nor Polovec I do not suggest ... wink
                2. alone
                  alone 5 December 2013 22: 40
                  +2
                  Quote: chehywed
                  Well, why so soon ... I'll sue !!! Can we agree? I’m ready to compensate for the spoiled dinner with photos of Albats and Chirikova (with Nemtsov !!!). Agree ...

                  drinks laughing no, better put a liter of vodka. it will be a good compensation))
                  1. chehywed
                    chehywed 5 December 2013 22: 59
                    +2
                    Quote: lonely
                    no, better put a liter of vodka. it will be a good compensation


                    Well, just like that ... In the sense of 2x0,5. After 21: 00 we don’t even sell beer. But the magic of surnames ... drinks laughing
                    1. alone
                      alone 5 December 2013 23: 24
                      +3
                      Quote: chehywed
                      Well, just like that ... In the sense of 2x0,5. We don’t even sell beer after 21:00. But the magic of surnames ..

                      laughing drinks one request: the next time you post comments on similar photos, warn in advance))) otherwise you will have to spend all your earnings on such compensation wassat
                    2. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 5 December 2013 23: 30
                      +2
                      Quote: chehywed
                      . In the sense of 2x0,5.

                      Accepted good But next time, put pictures along with compensation - so as not to waste time on negotiations and formalities laughing
                      1. chehywed
                        chehywed 5 December 2013 23: 34
                        +1
                        Quote: lonely
                        one request: when the next time you post similar photos on comments, warn in advance

                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        But next time, take pictures with compensation

                        They ran into .. That is ... I obey! soldier
                      2. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 6 December 2013 00: 04
                        +2
                        Quote: chehywed
                        ... I obey

                        It’s free! You can recover and smoke soldier bully
                      3. chehywed
                        chehywed 6 December 2013 00: 15
                        +1
                        Yes, I just do that I’m involuntarily recovering since lonely spoiled the appetite. laughing
                      4. alone
                        alone 6 December 2013 00: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: chehywed
                        Yes, I only do that I involuntarily recover since I ruined my lonely appetite.


                        laughing wassat
      8. Current 72
        Current 72 6 December 2013 02: 18
        0
        Well and ugly, to show the child will be scared! Baba Yaga is a beautiful woman compared to her!
  • Simon
    Simon 5 December 2013 14: 42
    +3
    These "comrades" squanders should be sent there, what they want to present to their "friends" who bought them, for example, to the North Pole, for ice skating, for twenty years.


    If they do not honor the historical territories discovered by our ancestors.
  • Cynic
    Cynic 5 December 2013 17: 29
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    or the internet

    Well said, we break the account of the ENEMY and call on his behalf ....
    In fact, a good idea, tired of verbiage, guardians of all the good that, by their definition, are NOT OUR carrying a complete nonsense about the distribution of Russian lands!
  • Clegg
    Clegg 5 December 2013 19: 48
    -2
    How do I understand the adoption of such a law?

    I think this is a sign of weakness, Russia is not sure that it can maintain territorial integrity. This is a desperate move.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 5 December 2013 19: 53
      +4
      Quote: Clegg
      I think this is a sign of weakness, Russia is not sure that it can maintain territorial integrity. This is a desperate move.

      Md
      Have you ever thought that based on your logic and any Criminal Code is the same sign of weakness? AND ? Or you have already canceled the criminal code in connection with the full confidence of the state in the absolute possibility of protecting its citizens!
      1. Clegg
        Clegg 5 December 2013 21: 41
        0
        In Asashai, 100,000 citizens signed up for state separation. Something I do not remember that the Americans adopted any law on terror. integrity.
        If I missed, I will be glad to learn something new.
  • APES
    APES 5 December 2013 09: 05
    +9
    Quote: bomg.77
    Not really they are Russian


    within the framework of this law, it is interesting how to interpret the actions of this comrade:

    Delimkhanov began to threaten the Rodina leader for his request to check for extremism at the recently opened monument by the head of the Chechen Republic Ramzan Kadyrov to Chechen women from the village of Dadi-Yurt, who died resisting the "barbaric action" of the Russian army during the XNUMXth century Caucasian war. Threats were also heard for Zhuravlev's proposal to investigate the training of Chechnya's special forces by former employees of the Alpha unit.

    As Zhuravlev clarified, the United Russia party insisted on him with the words "what you write, where you don't need, and you climb where you don't need to." “He began to threaten me, saying that I was not meddling in my own business and“ it will end badly. ”After I asked:“ What, Chechnya is not the territory of the Russian Federation? ”He surreptitiously struck on the head with his fist, I began to defend myself ", - the chairman of Rodina describes the clash.

    A funny reaction to the question: "Is Chechnya not the territory of the Russian Federation?" - some go from words to "deed" ..........
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 5 December 2013 09: 45
      +7
      Quote: APES
      within the framework of this law, it is interesting how to interpret the actions of this comrade:
      It is possible to interpret it unequivocally, but to punish the problem. If it were only one comrade, then I think there would be no problems, but in Chechnya there are 80% of such people. by force method.
    2. Valkyrie
      Valkyrie 5 December 2013 10: 24
      +1
      When arguments are over, fists are used. Answer: "Yes" - then what is the point of the claims? Answer: "No" - it is not so legally.
    3. Serg 122
      Serg 122 5 December 2013 11: 06
      +1
      What did Kadyrov say yesterday? "There was no fight!" And on "no" and the trial ...
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  • Apostle
    Apostle 5 December 2013 10: 22
    14
    Any words must be answered, and along the ridge it is necessary to divide not Russia, but Evgenia Albats, so that less shit is poured in the media ..
    1. Airman
      Airman 5 December 2013 11: 16
      +4
      Quote: Apostle
      Any words must be answered, and along the ridge it is necessary to divide not Russia, but Evgenia Albats, so that less shit is poured in the media ..

      I already suggested, to divide it by legs and in the middle part to the head, all the same there are no brains.
      1. avant-garde
        avant-garde 5 December 2013 11: 21
        +2
        If a woman is taken for a shit and clamped on her nipples, her brains will fly away with a sledgehammer.
        It is possible so
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 5 December 2013 10: 31
    +2
    Quote: bomg.77
    The fifth column has a different citizenship

    Usually double. laughing
    1. 222222
      222222 5 December 2013 11: 33
      +1
      Apostle (1) SU Today, 10:22 ↑ New
      "You have to answer for any words, and it is not Russia that needs to be divided along the ridge, but Evgenia Albats, so that less shit flows in the media .."
      1. "In front of the whole audience - such gestures!"
      2 "My heart feels that we are on the eve of a grandiose nix. 2
      3 why "along the ridge".?. ".. I'll rip off my head and say, sho and bulo." (movie "wedding in Malinovka")
      4 Well, as a last resort .. "and a free trip .... to Siberia"
    2. bomg.77
      bomg.77 5 December 2013 15: 02
      +1
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Usually double.
      At heart, they have only one, and according to the documents two or three laughing
  • AVV
    AVV 5 December 2013 11: 57
    +3
    After the first statement on territorial integrity, it is necessary for citizens with dual citizenship to deprive them of Russian citizenship, with a repeated 10-20 years in prison !!!
  • morpex
    morpex 5 December 2013 12: 22
    +2
    Quote: bomg.77
    They are not entirely Russian. The fifth column has a different citizenship.

    That's right, but the key idea in the article is:
    But one thing is statements about the denial of the territorial integrity of Russia, and another thing is actions. Those Sokurov with Albats and Medvedev (who is Sergey) - scratch their tongues to attract attention to their people, and after all, all the real possibilities of making territorial "gifts" are concentrated in the hands of the Russian authorities. How to deal with such, to put it mildly, strange geographically equatorial gifts like:

    a) the most resource-rich part of the Barents Sea - Norway;
    b) island territories on the Amur - China.
  • duke
    duke 5 December 2013 15: 41
    +1
    they’re just Russian, but not quite Russian, so they’ll give a damn to them with Russian lands, since there’s something to dump, (most likely there is also another citizenship), upon execution of the order ... Therefore, the question should be like this - not a deadline (because it is a matter of the deliberate collapse of the country and the invitation of foreign troops, that is, actual betrayal and subversive work to destroy the state and people), but give the bastards children to the wall, or to the gallows, but before that, drink water their seagull ... negative
  • Donvel
    Donvel 5 December 2013 20: 29
    0


    I'll just leave it here
  • datur
    datur 5 December 2013 21: 42
    +2
    [quote = bomg.77] [quote] it’s quite natural for certain Russian citizens to speculate on the need to make territorial gifts to neighbors around the globe. [/ Quote] They are not really Russian. The fifth column has a different citizenship .-- and for that they term !!! drinks
  • datur
    datur 5 December 2013 21: 42
    0
    [quote = bomg.77] [quote] it’s quite natural for certain Russian citizens to speculate on the need to make territorial gifts to neighbors around the globe. [/ Quote] They are not really Russian. The fifth column has a different citizenship .-- and for that they term !!! drinks
  • Combitor
    Combitor 5 December 2013 07: 33
    18
    “Every year, the authorities of the Russian Federation themselves give away pieces of their territory. For example, in summer 2011, in order to“ strengthen friendship and good neighborly relations, ”it was given to Azerbaijan: half of the Samur river intake structure and two villages, in which about six hundred families lived.
    In 2008, China received part of the island, with a total area of ​​337 square kilometers. And in 2012, the authorities decided to give Asia some lands of the Far East for a ridiculous price of 50 rubles / hectare. This can be considered a gift.
    2010 was marked by another event. Thanks to the all-Russian political party "United Russia", which contributed to the decision of the parliament, Norway was transferred 80 thousand square kilometers of the Barents Sea. At the same time, geological exploration reported that there are about 565 million cubic meters of hydrocarbons, as well as oil and natural gas in the given water area. If translated into money, that's 30 billion euros. "
    Calls are one thing. But in fact? Punish with whom the GDP will start?
    1. demotivator
      demotivator 5 December 2013 07: 43
      13
      Strange, but it turns out. Only for the words about ter. integrity, you can get a real sentence. And for business? Is there no time limit for a real violation of this very territorial integrity? As soon as the Norwegians received the Russian water area of ​​the Barents Sea from Medvedev, they immediately "discovered" there large reserves of oil and gas, which will enter the market and will inevitably bring down the price for them. Thus, Medvedev by his act caused damage not only to the territorial integrity of Russia, but irreparable economic damage. And this is only at first glance. Is it necessary to answer for this, or not?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 5 December 2013 07: 47
        +8
        Quote: demotivator
        x Thus, Medvedev in his act caused damage

        But what did Putin miss with the islands or is Seichas a fashion for Medvedev?
      2. Garrin
        Garrin 5 December 2013 08: 28
        +7
        Quote: demotivator
        And for business? Is there no time limit for a real violation of this very territorial integrity? As soon as the Norwegians received the Russian water area of ​​the Barents Sea from Medvedev, they immediately "discovered" ...

        This DAM with his team is the fifth column.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 5 December 2013 10: 37
          +7
          Quote: Garrin
          This DAM with his team is the fifth column

          Even you can divorce your wife, especially when the apartment is framed for you. I hope you understand the hint. laughing
      3. chehywed
        chehywed 5 December 2013 09: 56
        +9
        Quote: demotivator
        As soon as the Norwegians received the Russian water area of ​​the Barents Sea from Medvedev, they immediately "discovered" there large reserves of oil and gas, which will enter the market and will inevitably bring down their price.

        For years, 40 has been pumping oil and, due to this, they live. They are in the 3-m production place. And they need to bring down prices?
        The territories were controversial. It can also be argued that we grabbed a piece of the sea from the Norgs. Interestingly, is there also a hysteria about this?
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 5 December 2013 17: 43
          +2
          Quote: chehywed
          The territories were controversial.

          Do you think any of the above speakers are not in the know?
          More than doubtful.
          Yes, about the sector line for 32 degrees east , as far as I remember, it ended, at the time thereof, at the North Pole, right? And now ?
          And all the guardians for the integrity of the territories pretend that the border is still ending there.
          And then suddenly they will see clearly! In a convenient moment, for them naturally.
          drinks
          1. chehywed
            chehywed 5 December 2013 20: 05
            +1
            Quote: Cynic
            Do you think any of the above speakers are not in the know?
            More than doubtful

            But, as can be seen, such a peace of the two people has many supporters.
            Quote: Cynic
            Yes, about the sector line for 32 degrees east , as far as I remember, it ended, at the time thereof, at the North Pole, right? And now ?

            I remember the political maps of the world with a red flag at the North Pole. And now...
            Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper on Wednesday ordered to include the North Pole in the application for expanding the boundaries of the country's Arctic shelf, RIA Novosti reports, citing Agence France Presse.

            "Canada is in the process of securing its sovereignty over the North," the agency quotes representatives of Prime Minister Harper.

            According to preliminary information that is currently available to local media, the Canadian government must submit an application to the UN by December 6. The Canadian authorities decided to expand their borders after investigating the seabed.
            ... By the way, besides Russia and Canada, other Arctic countries - Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark and Iceland are planning to submit applications for expanding the borders of the Arctic shelf. They also want to get the right to conduct exploration and production of hydrocarbons.http://www.tv21.ru/news/2013/12/05/?newsid=63940

            And not even Arctic China at all. drinks
            1. Cynic
              Cynic 5 December 2013 20: 26
              +1
              By the way, besides Russia and Canada, other Arctic countries are planning to submit applications for expanding the borders of the Arctic shelf - ...

              Yes, peace to their home, within their sector essno!
              laughing
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 5 December 2013 07: 44
      +8
      Quote: Kombitor
      And in 2012, the authorities decided to give Asia some lands of the Far East for a ridiculous price of 50 rubles / hectare

      Well, where is such land?
      Quote: Kombitor
      I. At the same time, geological exploration reported that there are about 565 million cubic meters of hydrocarbons, as well as oil and natural gas in the given water area. If translated into money, that's 30 billion euros. "

      On the one hand, yes, and on the other, Norway doesn’t open its mouth about the fact that Russia is laying claim to 1.5 million sq km in the Arctic, and there’s enough oil and gas for many years
      1. 31231
        31231 5 December 2013 13: 26
        +2
        Alexander, the man is clearly far from all this. He simply makes all-country stuffing, without thinking how true it is. He doesn’t even know that there will be no 70% extraction of reserves in the Barents Sea in the territories left to the tax, and his money is calculated for the entire volume.
    3. user
      user 5 December 2013 09: 05
      +2
      Just at some point you need to stop it.
      For example, 01.01.2014, for such crimes 20 years.
      Well, what happened before, this can’t be returned, whether we like it or not. And then we’ll agree that we will demand that the Russian Emperor be brought to justice for Alaska.
    4. demon184
      demon184 5 December 2013 10: 27
      +1
      we do not throw everywhere the same thing and the front is a front line and the power is not right
    5. 31231
      31231 5 December 2013 13: 16
      +5
      Can you give more details about 50 rubles per hectare given to Asia ?! Where is this country Asia?
      I hope this is official infa, and not the truth from Albats?
      And yet, yes, part of the disputed territory was divided with the norgs, and not only ours. About those "innumerable" treasures neighing. Compare them with the stocks of only one Shtokman, which was previously located in the disputed territory and there may be at least something in your all-pro-Russian consciousness that will change.
      In general, dear ones, it’s foolish to speak with opposition cliches without completely knowing the question.
    6. stroporez
      stroporez 6 December 2013 07: 46
      0
      from no one ........... unfortunately. although, for statistics, they will take what thread "vanka" for "drunken bazaar" ......... and the economic school both lived and will live, because the establishment is "master's" and cannot be touched ....... it seems that the vovan simply decided to distract the attention of the "vans" and the result of this initiative will be the same as that of the "fight against corruption" ...
  • Sunjar
    Sunjar 5 December 2013 07: 45
    10
    From 10-ty to 20-ty this seems a bit much to me. We periodically give less for murders. And so it would be correct to adopt this law.

    Some bad people from Russia and from all over the world also often reproach Russia that the Russians, they say, pollute the Antarctic and the Arctic (they dug up to Prirazlomnaya), and completely forgot about the catastrophe in the Gulf of Mexico, where the British Petroleum platform exploded, Fukushima is also silent . So they must be thrown out from everywhere.
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 5 December 2013 07: 54
      +7
      Quote: Sunjar
      British Petroleum platform exploded, about Fukushima too silent. So they must be thrown out from everywhere.
      They have selective amnesia. laughing Today’s fashionable shale gas can be added to your list.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 5 December 2013 07: 59
      +2
      Quote: Sunjar
      From 10 to 20 years it seems a bit much to me

      And for me it’s not enough for life!
      1. Sunjar
        Sunjar 5 December 2013 08: 05
        +3
        Good soul man)))
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 5 December 2013 08: 13
          +5
          Quote: Sunjar
          Good soul man)))

          Well, I don’t propose to shoot, is it not a mercy wink
          1. Ptah
            Ptah 5 December 2013 11: 07
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Well, I do not propose to shoot

            Mandatory deprivation of citizenship !!! Automatically to the rank of illegal immigrants with subsequent criminal procedural actions.
            And simple and tasteful. Try someone to complain about from a legal and ethical point of view.
            1. Sunjar
              Sunjar 5 December 2013 13: 45
              +2
              Oh, but this is a really good offer. Since it is against Russia, you are at least not a citizen of Russia. And then everything is according to the law. Ah, well done.
      2. Strezhevchanin
        Strezhevchanin 5 December 2013 11: 15
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And for me it’s not enough for life!

        I agree .... hunchback as they say ....
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  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 5 December 2013 07: 57
    +2
    More recently, on the Echo of Moscow radio station, journalist Yevgenia Albats burst out with the idea that nothing bad would happen to Russia if the country split along the Ural Range
    I'm sitting looking at the map and thinking about what I’m thinking at all what
    As this (I can’t pick up the word) in general, such an idea could come to a place that doesn’t exist, and most importantly, he included his most perverted fantasy and still did not understand what, in her opinion, it should have turned out request. Who can tell me, thanks!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 5 December 2013 08: 01
      +3
      Quote: avant-garde
      How can this (I can’t choose a word) such an idea in general come to a place that does not exist

      Putin answered there that he serves the interests of others! And if so, that one can expect from the service staff that they will order it and will do it. They will say that they will lick the boots to the master, they can do it, there is no doubt.
      1. avant-garde
        avant-garde 5 December 2013 08: 06
        0
        I don’t understand, let’s say Russia was divided along the ridge and there will be one ??? How will these two halves be called Russia 1 and Russia 2 or should it work out ???? request Whose interests is she strangling with this ??? Or she thinks that having split the country into two parts it will be easier to deal with it militarily, sorry I don’t understand !!!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 5 December 2013 08: 14
          +5
          Quote: avant-garde
          Whose interests will she satisfy?

          He who pays the money to the prostitute satisfies that desire hi
          1. avant-garde
            avant-garde 5 December 2013 08: 26
            0
            The money is clear, well let our "best" friend America pay money from us. Why do they want to go there from some side of the Ural Range ??? Don't be angry about the importunity, but I don't understand smile
          2. RussianRu
            RussianRu 5 December 2013 09: 06
            +4
            If someone is eager to transfer something to Japan, Estonia, the UN, or anyone else, then let him start with his personal property, it is possible with himself - at least in parts ...

            These someone have already sold themselves. Once they say things like tearing away territories.
        2. Tersky
          Tersky 5 December 2013 08: 38
          +6
          Quote: avant-garde
          Or she thinks that having split the country into two parts it will be easier to deal with it militarily, sorry I don’t understand !!!

          For your information, Evgenia Albats has a master's degree from Harvard University in the USA (1996) and a Ph.D. from the same university (2004). Her doctoral dissertation was on the topic "Bureaucracy and Russian Transformation. The Politics of Adjustment." In 2002-2003 she taught at Yale, USA.

          She was awarded the highest prize of the Union of Journalists "Golden Pen" and a number of awards from Europe and the USA. The most interesting point is highlighted. Alexander, hi !
          1. Current 72
            Current 72 6 December 2013 02: 38
            0
            This Albats is not a golden feather, but to take off what covers his ass, and to pour 200 lashes, and on Red Square at the public !!!
    2. Valkyrie
      Valkyrie 5 December 2013 08: 46
      +1
      That there were two separate states, Muscovy and Siberia. And so that we are hostile to each other and quickly enter the EU separately.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 5 December 2013 09: 32
        0
        Quote: Valkyrie
        u and faster entered the EU separately.

        What else is the EU, in the yard of the vehicle.
        1. Valkyrie
          Valkyrie 5 December 2013 10: 18
          -2
          And I didn’t answer you, calm down.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 5 December 2013 10: 38
            0
            Quote: Valkyrie
            And I didn’t answer you, calm down.

            Why do men often make women out of themselves on a site? Probably the EU is really closer to you with the values ​​therelaughing
            1. Valkyrie
              Valkyrie 5 December 2013 12: 06
              +2
              Why did you collapse from oak? Learn to track the thread of a conversation, and then get into it. And in the course of your discussion in the comments of various articles, I would say that the EU is closer to you.
  • Chertkov Oleg
    Chertkov Oleg 5 December 2013 08: 00
    +7
    ... But one thing is statements about the denial of the territorial integrity of Russia ...
    And not one thing (in the folders) will, and should, be instituted on such people, calling for the distribution and sale of our territory, gathered for centuries under the Russian flag. I am for such a law

    ... b) island territories on the Amur - China ...
    The signing of the "fair border" was initiated by Marked, and Borka was killed, and Putin had to sign (take the rap). It's like with "real documents" on the Internet - one of the media publishes (claims) about "this document", "event" and a wave of "truthful information" is massively replicated by others. After some time, lies, by a simple "duck" become true. In general, Putin has already got a bunch of signed and voiced documents that he had to ratify.

    But Minister Shevarnadze managed to make a sole gift, giving part of our waters in the Bering Sea to the USA at the peak of acceleration downhill without the Soviet Union’s brakes.
  • JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 5 December 2013 08: 03
    +5
    Confusion and staggering in the minds of impunity. With impunity they take money from a probable adversary, with impunity execute orders of a probable adversary, and ruin a country with impunity. Stop impunity! Hamsters hamster housing. For those who breed hamsters, tear the fruit back to the very root .... without anesthesia.
  • stayer
    stayer 5 December 2013 08: 05
    +3
    Statements about the separation of territories under any pretext must be suppressed. And in the minds, so that such thoughts do not even exist.
    For example, how will they react in America to the fact that Alaska retreats to Russia? Like its ancestral land acquired by America (perhaps) in an unfair way. The then advisers sang to the emperor.


    For reference: The signing of the contract took place on March 30, 1867 in Washington. The agreement was signed in English and French (“diplomatic” languages), the official text of the agreement in Russian does not exist, and it is also inexplicable how this transaction could have passed without the approval of the Russian Senate and the Council of State. The transaction value amounted to 7,2 million dollars in gold (at the exchange rate of 2009 - approximately 108 million dollars in gold). Those. 4 dollars 73 cents were paid per square kilometer.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 5 December 2013 08: 16
      +2
      Quote: stayer
      For example, how will they react in America to the fact that Alaska retreats to Russia? TO

      I don’t know about Russia, but one not long ago received 20 years for offering Alaska to withdraw from the United States hi
  • treskoed
    treskoed 5 December 2013 08: 07
    +7
    You do not recognize the territorial integrity of Russia: think for 20 years

    And if you admit and steal billions - a comfortable life!
    1. Oskar
      Oskar 5 December 2013 08: 39
      +1
      Done! And then the adversary will come and he will take and spit will recognize or did not recognize integrity.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 5 December 2013 09: 52
        +2
        Quote: Oskar
        Done! And then the adversary will come and take

        Yeah, we’re not rearming the army, everything is ruined wink
      2. 31231
        31231 5 December 2013 13: 33
        +2
        And what will he come ?! And who is waiting for him here? You?!
        I think the adversary, unlike you, remembers the experience of Napoleon and Hitler.
  • Cedar
    Cedar 5 December 2013 08: 16
    +2
    10 years ... 20 years ... To the count of all! good chuck! all one they advocate for something like that, campaigning for Western values ​​under a rainbow flag.
  • andruha70
    andruha70 5 December 2013 08: 21
    +7
    It seems to me - you can make it easier. I don’t like the pollution of the Arctic (Sergey Medvedev) - shovel in hands and forth - for a couple of years - to clean. The Japanese wanted to give the Kuril Islands (Sokurov) - a broom in their hands - let the Kuril coast sweep - the beaches for the Russians are preparing lol and the albatz is a trowel and concrete mixer, pour a seismic belt along the Ural ridge laughing at least some benefit will be from these ... fool
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 5 December 2013 08: 24
    +2
    More recently, on the Echo of Moscow radio station, journalist Yevgenia Albats burst out with the idea that nothing bad would happen to Russia if the country split along the Ural Range.


    To judge unambiguously such "lovers of truth" and to judge by an adult, and not by "oh, I didn't understand what I was saying!"
  • Valkyrie
    Valkyrie 5 December 2013 08: 26
    +4
    The law on responsibility for verbiage is also needed, but most likely, this will not change anything. The authorities surrender our lands on the sly from the people. And they will give further. The author is not casual asks the question - will there be no responsibility for them? The answer is clear - no. The first thing now is not to punish for long tongues, but for squandering state land. "So you can't get enough of any volosts!" And initiate the return of those already given, as the commission of illegal transactions. If Putin does this, I will believe that he is a true patriot of Russia and is leading the country towards rebirth.
    1. Chertkov Oleg
      Chertkov Oleg 5 December 2013 09: 08
      -1
      ... But one thing is statements about the denial of the territorial integrity of Russia ...
      And not one thing (in the folders) will, and should, be instituted on such people, calling for the distribution and sale of our territory, gathered for centuries under the Russian flag. I am for such a law

      ... b) island territories on the Amur - China ...
      The signing of the "fair border" was initiated by Marked, and Borka was killed, and Putin had to sign (take the rap). It's like with "real documents" on the Internet - one of the media publishes (claims) about "this document", "event" and a wave of "truthful information" is massively replicated by others. After some time, lies, by a simple "duck" become true. In general, Putin has already got a bunch of signed and voiced documents that he had to ratify.

      But Minister Shevarnadze managed to make a sole gift, giving part of our waters in the Bering Sea to the USA at the peak of acceleration downhill without the Soviet Union’s brakes.
      1. Valkyrie
        Valkyrie 5 December 2013 10: 38
        +2
        And who prevented Putin from freezing and not ratifying the treaties that were murderous for Russia? Conscience or what? Why can he stop American aggression in Syria, force Ukraine to abandon the EU, and can’t cancel the unconstitutional treaties? Poor Putin, how hard he has to! Pouring tears, probably ratifying the distribution of state lands!
        1. Chertkov Oleg
          Chertkov Oleg 6 December 2013 19: 02
          +1
          Since in the case of the Khabarovsk Islands it was impossible to apply the principle of delimitation along the fairway, the parties agreed to divide the Big Ussuriisky Island into southern China and Northern (most developed) Russian parts. In addition, in exchange for the northern part of the Bolshoy Ussuriysk, we lost half of the island of Abagaytuy to Argun. A new principle was applied - territories were divided according to landmarks.

          Through the cries of the liberals “on trade in the motherland,” the fact was missed that for the first time in the history of Russia and China, all claims and controversial points were removed from all over the 4300 km of the Russian-Chinese border. Of course, the transfer of part of the islands cannot be definitely called a success, and I’m far from thinking of justifying our President, but non-persistent journalists for some reason do not say that the situation with the state border at the beginning of 2000 went to Putin from Khrushchev and Gorbachev. Where the first quarreled with our main geopolitical ally, as a result of which the territorial issue was initiated, and the second successfully solved this problem, finally having ditched the country that he was in charge of. As a result, the Russian Federation in terms of strength and influence in the world, and most importantly, the presence of trumps at the negotiations in 2004, was a far from Stalinist USSR of the model 1952 of the year. In 1952, a border treaty could be concluded on terms that were favorable to us, since the space for diplomatic bargaining was incomparably wider.
          http://pandoraopen.ru/2013-10-08/chto-stoit-za-peredachej-chasti-amurskix-o
          strovov-kitayu /
          Dear lady, here is a short answer for you, and a long one for those who read in the link.
  • Normal
    Normal 5 December 2013 08: 32
    +9
    On Lawyer's Day, President Vladimir Putin met with law students at metropolitan universities at Moscow State University.


    Another meeting of the smug master with the young servants. They "asked" the right questions, he generously said what everyone already knows.

    Meanwhile, the relevant bill has already been submitted to the State Duma, according to which it is necessary to introduce criminal liability for calls for extremism and in particular for denial of territorial integrity country. According to the letter of this bill, a citizen who, through the media, his official position,
    an organized group or the Internet calls for rejection
    from Russia of one or another territorial part,
    faces 10 to 20 years in prison.


    That is, if I consider and express my opinion that Chechnya is not in fact a part of Russia, that Russian laws do not apply on its territory, that its power structures and military units are not subordinate to the center, and therefore it is necessary to stop financing this territory and give it full right to live independently, then I face 10 years minimum. For thoughts and words . And for Serdyukov for affairs threatened with a fine and suspended sentence of half a year.

    But one thing is statements about the denial of the territorial integrity of Russia, and another thing is actions. Those Sokurov with Albats and Medvedev (who is Sergey) - scratch their tongues to attract attention to their people, and after all, all the real possibilities of making territorial "gifts" are concentrated in the hands of the Russian authorities. How to deal with such, to put it mildly, strange geographically equatorial gifts like:

    a) the most resource-rich part of the Barents Sea - Norway;
    b) island territories on the Amur - China.


    In fact of the matter. The authorities will not be responsible for the cases, and they are going to imprison citizens for words.
    I would not be surprised if some Fedorov introduces a bill providing for criminal liability for denying the "occupation" of Russia, doubts about the liberating role of the GDP and, in general, for calling high officials to account.
    1. Valkyrie
      Valkyrie 5 December 2013 08: 38
      +1
      In any case, ordinary people have always suffered and will suffer from any of their new initiatives. And extremism can be attributed a lot of things, including the fact that we are discussing here with you.
    2. Chertkov Oleg
      Chertkov Oleg 5 December 2013 09: 41
      +1
      As the saying goes - a holy place is never empty, let me ask, who do you want to replace the "master" with? Not another "bulk" of some kind? Name the alternative to Putin - by "weight", authority, experience. Who! People like you, as a spoiled child, want a car, candy, drink, eat and all at once. And the fact that the country went to Putin from EBNa in ruin do not take into account, and that Putin is not a MONARCH (autocratic and self-sufficient) do not say, but only demand, as such. After all, in parliament there are enough of every "creature in pairs", pulling the blanket into their garden. So make Russia healthier from corruption and other abscesses in such "conditions", with such "advanced" people. You will undertake to carry the tug of RUSSIA ???
    3. vot-te-raz
      vot-te-raz 5 December 2013 12: 33
      +1
      Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. ++++++ hi
  • Sars
    Sars 5 December 2013 08: 34
    +9
    So why just talking? And for the wrecking activity in the civil service?
    And for theft at the same service?
    If we, like in Iran, cut off our hand for theft, in Rosnano, in Roskosmos, in the Government and so on. there would be so many one-armed !!!
    1. Dimy4
      Dimy4 5 December 2013 09: 22
      +3
      All!!! (except cleaners)
    2. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 5 December 2013 11: 23
      +4
      Quote: SarS
      there were so many one-armed


      remember the joke: well, choose, pick in the eye or horseradish in the ass !!! The man yells: let out ... here they are cocks-and-and-and-and-and-so !!! You fucked muzyk. Where have you seen the cocks here? Couple, I’m not looking among you one-eyed ..... like that. laughing
  • erased
    erased 5 December 2013 08: 36
    +8
    The one who carries out activities on the collapse of the country and the exclusion of territories from it is an enemy who is subject to liquidation or punishment.
    However, one cannot put on a par with him some Vanya Vanyushin, who simply blurted out - "But if we could separate Astrakhan and transfer Siberia to control for forty years, and include Vladivostok in the Saratov region." It is clear that this is a joke or a personal opinion.
    Rowing everyone under one comb is to deprive people of the right to express an opinion. But at the same time, strictly monitor those who actually work to the detriment of the country. That is - you need to understand.
  • Letterksi
    Letterksi 5 December 2013 08: 37
    +3
    Indeed, you need to think carefully about 20 years under supervision in the fresh air, in Siberia at the logging
  • Kulneff2009
    Kulneff2009 5 December 2013 08: 41
    +2
    Russia must be united and not divisible! And all who advocate separation, to the wall!
  • major071
    major071 5 December 2013 08: 49
    +5
    If someone is eager to transfer something to Japan, Estonia, the UN, or anyone else, then let him start with his personal property, it is possible with himself - at least in parts ...

    They will never give theirs. It’s their breed that they need to grab more, but money doesn’t smell like they say. And not from the stupidity of all these statements, but from the payment by Western masters.
  • Known who
    Known who 5 December 2013 08: 56
    +4
    The state is an infringement of the interests of the individual in the interests of society, and one who does not submit to the interests of society is worthy of punishment
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 5 December 2013 10: 36
      0
      Karl Marx has a slightly different opinion: "The state is the apparatus of violence of the minority over the majority"
  • sawmill
    sawmill 5 December 2013 08: 58
    +3
    Of course, Putin is holy and great, hands off Putin!
    Daman watered with soldier’s blood, they’re all Gorbachev-Yeltsin’s gang,
    Gaddafi surrendered Medvedev, and Putin has nothing to do with it.

    Listen
    If tomorrow it will be necessary to give Putin the Kuril Islands, or surrender Assad, or appoint the hairdresser of his dog as Defense Minister, then he will do it and we will do it.
    And there can be no more hypocrisy than Putin’s argument about the integrity of Russia and the inviolability of its borders.
    All sorts of Albatsians, Directors, and other pop tinsel can talk about as much as they want, to write and think about this is their right.
    But the president of my country cannot sign a document transferring the rights to China to a part of the Russian land with the watered blood of its defenders.
    There was such a Count Polusakhalinsky, and our president is Putin-Damansky.
    1. Chertkov Oleg
      Chertkov Oleg 5 December 2013 09: 44
      -2
      ... But one thing is statements about the denial of the territorial integrity of Russia ...
      And not one thing (in the folders) will, and should, be instituted on such people, calling for the distribution and sale of our territory, gathered for centuries under the Russian flag. I am for such a law

      ... b) island territories on the Amur - China ...
      The signing of the "fair border" was initiated by Marked, and Borka was killed, and Putin had to sign (take the rap). It's like with "real documents" on the Internet - one of the media publishes (claims) about "this document", "event" and a wave of "truthful information" is massively replicated by others. After some time, lies, by a simple "duck" become true. In general, Putin has already got a bunch of signed and voiced documents that he had to ratify.

      But Minister Shevarnadze managed to make a sole gift, giving part of our waters in the Bering Sea to the USA at the peak of acceleration downhill without the Soviet Union’s brakes.
      1. sawmill
        sawmill 5 December 2013 11: 40
        +7
        Yes, I say he is holy and not guilty,
        Damansky gave Shevardnadze, Medvedev collapsed the economy, and before Medvedev, Gaidar with the liberals, the army was led by Serdyukov, in the Duma, United Russia seated the electorate. Separate geeks steal, but in general the country is led by qualified managers, the economy is growing, people are getting richer, who sees the other is mistaken or an eclipsed enemy.
        In my country, in its best cities, crowds of poorly educated foreigners scorn the culture of my country, its history, the work of our ancestors. And they’re not only walking, but also cutting our fellow citizens, selling drugs to our youth. And again, nothing to do with it?
        He is all in white and on horseback.

        You only know, all this is very similar to what I have heard about Gorbachev, about the fact that he inherited the heavy legacy of stagnation, about socialism with a human face (now it is sovereign democracy). And a bunch of approvers applauding any stupidity, and questions if not who he is? All this was and ended badly.

        So, the conversation that Putin signed the fact that he was forced to sign Shevardnadze and Yeltsin, I have a question
        And who are you that these two can force you to transfer the territory of the country where you are president?
        And who are you if ministers steal billions from you?
        And who are you if you have one pipe left from industry in the country?
        And who are you if there is only one name left in the country from education?
        And from culture, one series about cops
        And the government is led by an idiot, but loyal and affectionate

        It would be ridiculous to hear how someone would force Stalin to give territory to China?

        And you approve, applaud, you can even close the fool Albats for ten years (someone blinds a national hero from it)
        Only here the enemies of the people are different, these are those who approved all this. Who gave their vote for soldering, in turn to the feeder, for a good contract, for a warm budget place, for the ability to steal small and quiet, and simply dementia.

        And why did the border guards die on Damansky?
        1. Z.A.M.
          Z.A.M. 5 December 2013 15: 56
          +5
          sawmill

          Great comment !!! good
        2. Victor-M
          Victor-M 5 December 2013 22: 48
          0
          Quote: sawmill
          And why did the border guards die on Damansky?

          Eternal memory to them!
          Quote: sawmill
          And who are you that these two can force you to transfer the territory of the country where you are president?
          And who are you if ministers steal billions from you?
          And who are you if you have one pipe left from industry in the country?
          And who are you if there is only one name left in the country from education?
          And from culture, one series about cops
          And the government is led by an idiot, but loyal and affectionate

          The one who got an unenviable and ungrateful share, to rake a heap of another's d..mo.
          I have an older brother, a major in reserve, and his wife, a lieutenant colonel of the medical service, is also in reserve. So, these two - "officers" shout a lot about officer honor, they also like to hait and throw mud at Putin that he had abandoned the army and officers in a beggarly position, destroys the country, and yourself at the same time, they refused a paralyzed father (along the lines of her husband) and mother, who also suffered a severe stroke, and now insane. So, some here on the forum remind me of these two moral freaks who like to demand the full from others, while at the same time relieving themselves of all responsibility for what is happening.
        3. Chertkov Oleg
          Chertkov Oleg 6 December 2013 19: 16
          0
          Yells at you "vodlyasova", to whose mill the water? Read the full breakdown article at the link below. Quoting from there:
          ... Since in the case of the Khabarovsk islands it was impossible to apply the principle of differentiation by fairway, the parties agreed to divide the Bolshoi Ussuriysky island into southern Chinese and Northern (most developed) Russian parts. In addition, in exchange for the northern part of the Greater Ussuriysk, we lost half of the island of Abagaytuy to Argun. A new principle was applied - the territories were divided according to landmarks on the ground.
          Through the cries of the liberals “about trading in the Motherland,” the fact was “missed” that for the first time in the history of Russia and China, all claims and controversial issues from the entire 4300 km of the Russian-Chinese border were removed. Of course, the transfer of some of the islands cannot be unambiguously called success, and I’m far from thinking of justifying our President, but for some reason journalists who aren’t worthless do not say that the state border situation at the beginning of the 2000’s
          Putin got from Khrushchev and Gorbachev. Where the first quarreled with our main geopolitical ally, as a result of which the territorial issue was initiated, and the second successfully solved this problem, finally ditching the country he led. As a result, the Russian Federation, by its strength and influence in the world, and most importantly, by the presence of trump cards at the negotiations in the 2004 year, was far from the Stalinist USSR of the 1952 year model. In 1952, the border treaty could be concluded on terms favorable to us, since the space for diplomatic bargaining was incomparably wider.
          http://pandoraopen.ru/2013-10-08/chto-stoit-za-peredachej-chasti-amurskix-ostrov
          ov-kitayu /
          1. sawmill
            sawmill 8 December 2013 20: 37
            0
            I read a lengthy explanation of the transfer of territory to China.
            The point is that V.V. Putin is not responsible for this.
            And even more than that, with this geo-deed he practically pacified our neighbor for many years having removed all the sharp corners in our now cloudless relationships.
            And everyone who does not agree with this interpretation pours water on the enemy’s mill.
            Who will be next peaceful? With whom else will we build relationships?
        4. Chertkov Oleg
          Chertkov Oleg 6 December 2013 19: 19
          0
          Borders from Domansky GLORY! I myself served in the Kuril Islands in the PV.
    2. Chertkov Oleg
      Chertkov Oleg 5 December 2013 10: 15
      -2
      As they say - a holy place is never empty, let me ask, who do you want to replace the "master" with? Not another "bulk" of some kind? Name the alternative to Putin - by "weight", authority, experience. Who! People like you, like a spoiled child, want a car, candy, drink, eat and all at once. And the fact that the country went to Putin from EBNa in ruin do not take into account, and that Putin is not a MONARCH (autocratic and self-sufficient) do not say, but only demand, as such. After all, in parliament there are enough of every "creature in pairs", pulling the blanket into their garden. So make Russia healthier from corruption and other abscesses in such "conditions", with such "advanced" people. You. personally, take the tug of RUSSIA ???
      For practice, undertake to manage a plant, a factory, housing and communal services, finally, how are the prospects exciting? Do not break the veins. And he (Putin) took it and pulls. And pugs and bulls bark at him, and "and we will go to seeeever (geyzapad), and we will go to seeeever"
  • Averias
    Averias 5 December 2013 09: 00
    +2
    The answer to this kind of statement is unambiguous. Gleb Zhiglov (The meeting place cannot be changed) - "They will get a bald trait, not Sharapov."
  • evgenm55
    evgenm55 5 December 2013 09: 03
    +1
    Quote: Kombitor
    “Every year, the authorities of the Russian Federation themselves give away pieces of their territory. For example, in summer 2011, in order to“ strengthen friendship and good neighborly relations, ”it was given to Azerbaijan: half of the Samur river intake structure and two villages, in which about six hundred families lived.
    In 2008, China received part of the island, with a total area of ​​337 square kilometers. And in 2012, the authorities decided to give Asia some lands of the Far East for a ridiculous price of 50 rubles / hectare. This can be considered a gift.
    2010 was marked by another event. Thanks to the all-Russian political party "United Russia", which contributed to the decision of the parliament, Norway was transferred 80 thousand square kilometers of the Barents Sea. At the same time, geological exploration reported that there are about 565 million cubic meters of hydrocarbons, as well as oil and natural gas in the given water area. If translated into money, that's 30 billion euros. "
    Calls are one thing. But in fact? Punish with whom the GDP will start?



    Well, comrade, you forgot: the plowman - the Pakharev, Caesar - the Cesarean. But they are celestials and impunity and omnipotence are their destiny. And they do not get tired ...
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 5 December 2013 09: 15
    +2
    Soak in sartirs for such conversations, and the fact that we once gave away is because we were weak in the world arena both politically and physically, and secondly, where we gave something and we benefited from it, we were In any case, you need to be friends with the countries around us and they, too, will not want a mess there in their new territories. Today, Russia is a less or less powerful power, so no one will ask us for anything, and when every game inside the country raises these conversations, it must be punished severely in any case.
  • FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 5 December 2013 09: 16
    +1
    We must give not the Kuril Islands, Pytalovsky District, Kaliningrad, etc., but + to the dead donkey to the ears of our "best" people who declare all this
  • Snipe 74
    Snipe 74 5 December 2013 09: 21
    +2
    [quote = Alexander Romanov] On the one hand, yes, but on the other, Norway is not open about the fact that Russia will claim 1.5 million square kilometers in the Arctic. And there will be enough oil and gas for many years

    Some kind of weak excuse. By the same logic, I want to ask you to send me some money and then I will not claim your personal property (in the future too). And so that all the neighbors shut up they need to raise the army and fleet.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 5 December 2013 09: 28
      +5
      The title of the topic and the content.
      To expel from the country and deprive of citizenship. Why should the taxpayers of the country citizens of Russia have 20 years to contain all this scum ?! winked
      1. ZU-23
        ZU-23 5 December 2013 10: 07
        0
        In the system, yes, people were dizzy with bucks before that they won’t even catch up with who they are and for whom they are and where their homeland is, in short laughing
      2. alone
        alone 5 December 2013 21: 42
        +1
        Quote: Apollon
        To expel from the country and deprive of citizenship. Why should the taxpayers of the country citizens of Russia have 20 years to contain all this scum ?!


        Apollo, and where to expel them? Who needs them? Maybe as an Italian professor they will fly back and forth on airplanes?
  • Diviz
    Diviz 5 December 2013 09: 35
    +2
    One thought the other said the third of Norway gave it up to democracy. Our country does not need lawyers but needs economic people. We have a very huge country.
  • Boris55
    Boris55 5 December 2013 09: 37
    +1
    The fifth column, hiding under the euphonious name of "Western liberals", will always work against the interests of Russia. To plant and shoot them for expressing seditious thoughts is not an option. In Soviet times, they put them on the "white steamer", and banned them, and jammed them, and imprisoned them - it did not help, but to deprive them of their civil service was mandatory. So that traitors do not breed, it is necessary to oppose their ideology to ours. Thought can only be defeated by thought.

    1. Boris55
      Boris55 5 December 2013 11: 00
      +1
      The desire to shoot arises not only among members of the forum, but these are emotions - they pass.

    2. alone
      alone 5 December 2013 21: 45
      0
      Look from 0.42. The girl is the black one on the far left in the back row. The poor one already wants to sleep from boredom))
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 6 December 2013 16: 44
        0
        Quote: lonely
        . Poor already want to sleep from boredom))

        Have you ever been a student?
        But in principle, everything can be _ But then, in her stories, she will be one of the main actors - the GDP came there almost to meet her, but she was not interested.
        bully
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  • Altona
    Altona 5 December 2013 09: 41
    +3
    Moscow has simply not been cleaned for a long time, since 1937, when they began to drive away those who had snickered and lying from the feeding troughs so that they would remember their place ... Therefore, they still whine, they cannot cry in any way, "we will niprastim" ... And for statements about separatism can be safely equated to terrorism, like the IRA in Great Britain, like the Basque groups in Spain ... earlier than 25 years, and ideally after 50 ...
    1. Chertkov Oleg
      Chertkov Oleg 5 December 2013 10: 25
      +2
      I agree with the first 2 / 3. But the last 1 / 3 is again the same SEPARATISM, delayed. Neither give, nor share in the future and now it is necessary to FORGET and bury, forever! The only way.
      1. Altona
        Altona 5 December 2013 11: 09
        +1
        If "keep and not let go", then we will come into conflict with the "right of nations to self-determination", therefore, a reservation about a referendum is being made ... The mechanism can be prescribed that you will secede in general ... after the referendum it fell apart anyway ... So nothing can be solved by talking ...
    2. ism_ek
      ism_ek 5 December 2013 10: 35
      +3
      In Britain, a party of Scottish separatists is openly operating. In Catalonia, too, separatists occupy a third of the parliament.
      In order to maintain the integrity of the country, it is not necessary to compose stupid laws, but to work for the good of the motherland and steal less. No one will leave a country with a growing economy.
  • ReifA
    ReifA 5 December 2013 10: 26
    +1
    Talking at home is one thing. Agitation anywhere is the second. Statements on the camera of famous people is the third. But actions on the transfer of any territory is already pulling for a shot. But no one talks about it. I’m even against a referendum on the topic, there are cheating like 2 fingers .. I am for a complete ban and for shooting, bypassing the ban.
    1. Altona
      Altona 5 December 2013 11: 19
      0
      Shooting for what? The executions are now in a moratorium, this is firstly ... Secondly, they are being shot for real armed resistance to the authorities ... We are talking about calls for the separation of certain areas from the country ... Let these areas within themselves initiate a referendum on self-determination ( 500 thousand signatures for example), will indicate the sources on which they will flourish and due to which they will have self-defense forces, what international support do they expect, what will be the status of residents and employees of the former homeland? All these questions should be written ... And how can many regions of Russia separate? We have 80% on subsidies from the center ... And who is not on subsidies, those are few in number, who will protect them?
  • rennim
    rennim 5 December 2013 10: 41
    0
    One of the main tasks of the president is to create conditions under which no one should think about changing the territorial structure. And introducing criminal liability means that the president simply has no other leverage. Previously, you had to work! And do not extinguish the flame when it has already begun to flare up.

    In addition, this criminal article will not give an effect. Any lawyer will tell you that the same Constitution says that every citizen has the right to "freedom of speech." So it's too late to drink "borjomi". Previously, it was necessary to think and stop. The very economic and political situation is tense to the limit and resembles the pre-revolutionary situation of 1905. No matter how late it becomes. Ukraine is an example ... I hope that it will cost.
  • morpogr
    morpogr 5 December 2013 10: 44
    +2
    "We don't want an inch of someone else's land, but we won't give up our own top either."
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 5 December 2013 11: 33
      +4
      The Russian Empire included:
      14 republics of the former USSR plus Finland and Poland.
      Our ancestors, looking at us, spit in their graves, so much Russian blood was shed. Some kind of moral degradants are also allowed to bark on television, Russia cannot be understood by the mind.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 5 December 2013 13: 53
        +1
        Have you forgotten Alaska? A little more and forget about Poland and the Finns ...
  • Boot under the carpet
    Boot under the carpet 5 December 2013 11: 06
    0
    Do we have everything good in the Pskov Region? Maybe give the Pskov region? And what about us, ideally in Ryazan or in the Chelyabinsk region? There are also many problems. When I meet with statements of this kind, people either publicize themselves in such a way, not realizing what they are doing, or they are unscrupulous observers, or they are people who serve the interests of other states.

    In Ryazan, we have mushrooms with eyes and tin full of ecology. On one side of the city is the Tannery (the stink of it is fierce), Tekhnofleks (production of building materials) on the other hand, an oil refinery, a chemical composite, cardboard and roofing material and other polluting people from the industrial zone. Just a guard!
  • vvp2412
    vvp2412 5 December 2013 11: 18
    0
    It would also be nice to cut off languages ​​for those who scratch over the gift of land! And you can not plant! And if you start writing about it, then cut your fingers too!
    Then these fucking LIBERASTS would have calmed down!
  • Georgic
    Georgic 5 December 2013 11: 32
    0
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Quote: Garrin
    This DAM with his team is the fifth column

    Even you can divorce your wife, especially when the apartment is framed for you. I hope you understand the hint. laughing

    The hint is clear, and perhaps welcome. The only catch is that if you get a divorce from this very wife, it turns out that you will need to somehow explain to the children why they left them at home for 4 years with a crazy woman who also serves the interests of neighbors in the country laughing
  • Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 5 December 2013 11: 39
    +4
    Quote: ReifA
    In order to maintain the integrity of the country, it is not necessary to compose stupid laws, but to work for the good of the motherland and steal less. No one will leave a country with a growing economy.
    - I would agree with that. All these conversations about separation, separation do not just happen from scratch. For example, the Caucasus, because the problem really exists, and how to solve this problem and how effective? You can’t get by with just throwing money, you need to raise the region, create jobs for people living there, establish law enforcement, maintain tight control over allocated funds. Are any of the following ongoing? Or take the regions where mining is carried out, the population rightly resents why they live in poverty, when the place where they live is the main source of well-being of the country ?!
    It seems to me that it is necessary to solve these problems, and not to shut up people’s mouths. No soil, no talk. And even the efforts of our enemies will prove futile in this case.
    It is necessary to fight with the cause, and not with the consequence.
    1. Valkyrie
      Valkyrie 5 December 2013 12: 24
      0
      Of course, not from scratch. This is part of the great brainwashing work of society. We are simply being prepared so that for us it would not be a surprise the decision on the need to separate first the Caucasus, then Siberia, then Krasnodar. If such conversations were not conducted at the top, then these brainless parrots would not even stutter on this topic. The media is the selling girls of the Fifth Column. And all that they grind cannot be without her knowledge.
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  • ed65b
    ed65b 5 December 2013 12: 11
    +3
    Well, with whose hands do these three eat? Director, whose films is he filming? This professor from whom wages salary? I missed the topic, on free bread with the deprivation of all gos.blag. Profa especially ban for ever, what he can teach young people for their hard work. What to instill in it? in a word.
  • yan
    yan 5 December 2013 12: 17
    +1
    in 90, it was necessary to adopt such a law, you see, and would have lived differently .... and many people involved would have lived in New York and who might be near the Arctic Circle
    1. Valkyrie
      Valkyrie 5 December 2013 12: 28
      +1
      Yes, and the USSR would have been intact. And it turns out that after the fight they wave their fists.
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  • sasska
    sasska 5 December 2013 12: 44
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Sunjar
    Good soul man)))

    Well, I don’t propose to shoot, is it not a mercy wink

    as far as I remember, traitors were publicly hanged before.
    and - right.
    1. alone
      alone 5 December 2013 21: 46
      +1
      and now they are awarded the Order of St. Andrew the First-Called! am
    2. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 5 December 2013 23: 06
      +3
      GATHER ALL THE LIBERALS
      ON CONSTRUCTION OF CHANNELS!
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 6 December 2013 01: 23
        +3
        Quote: Peaceful military
        GATHER ALL THE LIBERALS
        ON CONSTRUCTION OF CHANNELS!
  • pensioner
    pensioner 5 December 2013 13: 09
    +2
    Do not recognize the territorial integrity of Russia? 20 yo think

    One of these days I am going from school, there is a car at a traffic light. And on the rear window it says: "I am for the Ural Republic." What kind of eccentric with the letter M he posted on his car and what he meant to find out did not work ... It seems that we already experienced this back in the early 90s. And here it is! By God it’s true! Didn't drink ... I didn't have time yet ...
    1. SPLV
      SPLV 5 December 2013 14: 43
      +2
      Quote: retired
      And on the rear window it says: "I am for the Ural Republic"

      This is written and glued by under-educated academics with brainwashed new preachers; people are not necessarily young, but absolutely not familiar with either economics or history. And that is scary. In the republics of the USSR, this began.
    2. bomg.77
      bomg.77 5 December 2013 21: 36
      +4
      Quote: retired
      Do not recognize the territorial integrity of Russia? 20 yo think

      One of these days I am going from school, there is a car at a traffic light. And on the rear window it says: "I am for the Ural Republic." What kind of eccentric with the letter M he posted on his car and what he meant to find out did not work ... It seems that we already experienced this back in the early 90s. And here it is! By God it’s true! Didn't drink ... I didn't have time yet ...
      the Ural gem had to be thrown into his glasslaughing
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 5 December 2013 23: 06
        +3
        Quote: bomg.77
        the Ural gem had to be thrown into his glass

        Yes I'm a brake by nature fool ... While I re-read, while it came to them they left. And in the hands of nothing heavier than the "Safety Rules in the Oil and Gas Industry" was not request ... You won’t break the glass with them. You can break your head recourse . Glass - no ...
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 5 December 2013 23: 08
          +3
          Quote: retired
          Yes, I'm a brake by nature.

          Rummage in a gynecological tree - suddenly relatives in the Baltic states? wassat
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 5 December 2013 23: 12
            +2
            Quote: Ruslan67
            Rummage through the gynecological tree

            Yes, delving in due time ... I’ll dig boobies (married) ... Maybe not the one digging? what
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 5 December 2013 23: 14
              +2
              Quote: retired
              Grove of dunce (married)

              And how long will he still grow?
              Quote: retired
              .Maybe not the one digging

              Maybe he dug the wrong tool? bully
              1. pensioner
                pensioner 5 December 2013 23: 23
                +1
                Quote: Ruslan67
                And how long will he still grow?

                In the process, while the wife does not recognize him as an adult ...
                Quote: Ruslan67
                Maybe he dug the wrong tool?
                And hell knows ... It seems like he did everything what .
  • Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 5 December 2013 13: 15
    0
    I don’t know in my opinion, again from the wrong the end have begun. Now most likely it is more important to write the twenty to the robbers of capitalist property, these really represent a real and serious danger to the state in the first place. This is the country's defense, including ...
    But unfortunately, there are big problems here, not a single more or less serious person has ever responded for her crimes to the fullest extent of Russian law! Alas!
    And of course, there’s nothing to shred our Motherland either in words or in fact all the more! But you don’t need to sew up people's mouths, it was all in the USSR and it didn’t lead to anything good. You need to learn from mistakes. And more deeds, not words. They said we will fight corruption and embezzlement, so prove it by deed. Then people will not have thoughts about all kinds of departments, because they live in the most just and richest country, where all equal before the law!
    1. SPLV
      SPLV 5 December 2013 15: 00
      +1
      Quote: Dimon-chik-79
      it’s more important to write twenty to the robbers of capitalist property

      Not capitalist, but nationwide. In this case, capitalist property is private. But the political system is not so important. It's not about the name.
      "The best ruler is the one about whom the people only know that he exists. A little worse is the one who teaches people goodness and justice. Even worse is the one who is feared. But the worst of all is the one whom the people despise." So, in my opinion, with Lao Tzu.
  • mithridate
    mithridate 5 December 2013 14: 13
    +6
    James Baker (US Secretary of State 1991): "We have spent trillions of dollars over the past 40 years to win the Cold War against the USSR. Most importantly, traitors were found."
    this is the key phrase. The rest - the squeals of the so-called human rights defenders about the violation of human rights in Russia, the atrocities of the Stalinist regime and the like - is no longer important. This phrase crosses out all their squeals and howls.
    1. Valkyrie
      Valkyrie 5 December 2013 14: 40
      +2
      The presence of traitors at all times undermined the invincible power of our country. All lost wars and great confrontations, and the hard price of victory in our history were the fault of only traitors.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 5 December 2013 14: 17
    0
    plant such people all their time will be the lights of democracy and political prisoners. All 10-20 years, liberals will demand freedom for parrots. In the cesspool and obstruction.
  • soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 5 December 2013 14: 33
    0
    there just appeared a mass of people who want to separate from Moscow and the Kremlin, the center with its ruling elite tortured all of Russia with taxes, and such an article shines with such people
  • Normal
    Normal 5 December 2013 14: 37
    +6
    Do not recognize the territorial integrity of Russia? 20 yo think


    YES! I DO NOT ACCEPT THE TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY OF RUSSIA!

    Until then, until the outlying and primordial Russian lands of Russia are part of other states, I do not recognize Russia as a whole territory.

    Until then, Kiev is the mother of Russian cities, captured by Westerners, I do not recognize the territorial integrity of Russia.

    Until White Russia is not part of Russia, I do not recognize the integrity of Russia.

    I am ready to give myself into the clutches of "justice" and answer to the fullest extent of the law!