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Why Turkey refuses the project to restore the Ottoman Empire

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Turkey, which was one of the main instigators and organizers of the Middle East revolutions and even hoped to revive the Ottoman Empire with their help, was unexpectedly among the losers from the events of the Arab Spring. Now Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, who has long been called the “Turkish Kissinger,” is trying to formulate a pragmatic foreign policy ideology designed to replace neo-Ottomanism: he talks about a new turn of rapprochement with the West, returns to the ideas of European integration and suggests turning the country into the largest energy hub.


Exactly a year ago, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan made his triumphal tour of the Maghreb countries. In Egypt, Tunisia and Libya, where shortly before the secular regimes were overthrown in a peaceful or bloody way, Erdogan was hailed as a hero. In all three countries, the ideologically close to the ruling party of the AKP "Muslim Brotherhood" (in the Tunisian version of "An-Nahda") were in power at the time. Today there is no trace of the former admiration of Turkey in the Arab world.

According to many experts, Ankara’s relations with Cairo can be described using the term “cold war”. Turkey sharply criticizes the government of General Abdel Fattah el-Sissi for the "anti-constitutional coup" and the persecution of the Muslim Brotherhood. The new regime in Cairo accuses the Turks of interfering in the internal affairs of Egypt: cooperation with Ankara was frozen, the Turkish ambassador was expelled from the country. And given the fact that the el-Sissi enjoys the support of Riyadh, Ankara’s last demarches have had a negative impact on Turkish-Saudi relations. To be convinced of this, it is enough to listen to what fierce criticism is Erdogan subjected to on the Al-Arabiya television channel controlled by the Saudis.

Syrian dilemma

However, the Turkish Premier’s greatest harm was caused by the reckless support of the anti-Assad armed opposition in Syria. Despite the patriotic speeches of Erdogan, who called for supporting an aggressive course against Damascus, the intervention in Syrian affairs caused a deep division in Turkish society. If in the 2011 year, according to public opinion polls, 44% of Turks supported the AKP’s position, in the fall of 2013, two thirds of the respondents were already against the government policy. For many Turks, the moment of truth was an explosion that occurred at the end of May of this year in Reykhanly, a town that is located near the Turkish-Syrian border. After this tragedy, it became clear to many that an uncontrolled flow was going across the border in both directions. weapons and terrorists, and Turkey itself is becoming increasingly vulnerable to al Qaeda militants.

The eternal opponents of the Islamists - the Kemalist and left-wing parties - did not hesitate to take advantage of the failures of the government in the Syrian direction. The leader of the People’s Republican Party, once founded by Ataturk, Kemal Kilicdaroglu, accused the government of Erdogan of adventurism, and even made a trip to Damascus, where he expressed solidarity with Bashar Asad. Leader of the Nationalist Movement Party Devlet Bahcheli in June of this year noted that "Western countries are putting pressure on Turkey, urging it to invade Syria, but the politicians in Ankara should not fall into this trap." And one of the leaders of the Workers' Party of Turkey, Hassan Basri Ozbey, even threatened to impeach President Gul for "inciting war, supporting terrorism in Syria and secret agreements with the United States" (all this, he said, can be considered proof of betrayal of the Motherland ").

However, in the ranks of the ruling Justice and Development Party, there is a growing understanding that the strategy chosen by Erdogan in the Syrian sector has led the country to a standstill. This position was voiced by none other than President Abdullah Gul. Speaking about 8 in October in Istanbul, he subjected Ankara’s alarmist course to revision and stressed that the United States should share responsibility for the fate of the Middle East with other leading powers: Russia and Iran. Gul noted that the American-Iranian negotiations would help resolve the Syrian crisis, and finally admitted that radical and extremist groups were operating in Syria. He said that he hoped for a "comprehensive diplomatic and political solution to the problem" and "the creation of a new administration reflecting the aspirations of all groups of the Syrian people." Interestingly, Gul never criticized Bashar Assad and did not accuse the Syrian government of using chemical weapons.

Return to the West?

Obviously, the failures in the Syrian direction and discord with the states that survived the “Arab Spring” force Ankara to reconsider its relations with the United States. The Turks are carefully eyeing the new American policy in the Middle East and see in it for themselves certain benefits. After all, they have always been interested in resolving the Iranian nuclear issue (we recall that even during the 2009 negotiations of the year, Turkey tried to mediate between Washington and Tehran). The withdrawal of the Islamic Republic from international isolation will allow Ankara to extract tangible dividends (first of all, we are, of course, talking about the transportation of Iranian hydrocarbons through Turkey).

Another important point: when the Turkish elite realized that the way to the Arab East was closed for it, it returned to the ideas of European integration, and very much hopes that Washington will help it “put the squeeze” on Europe. The need to strengthen the strategic partnership between Ankara and Washington was recently announced by Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu. In an article published in the influential American journal Foreign Policy, he, in particular, noted: "The rapprochement with the West during the Arab Spring proves that democratic values ​​are at the heart of Turkish foreign policy."

Davutoglu hinted that the United States could help the Turks in the process of European integration: “We believe that Turkey will play a more constructive role in shaping the future of Europe. In our negotiations with the EU, a new chapter has opened, related to the simplification of the visa regime. In addition, NATO is still the cornerstone of the Turkish security policy. We are developing cooperation with the West everywhere - from the Balkans to Central Asia, and in many respects this allows us to ensure stability in Eurasia. ” Davutoglu welcomed the thaw in relations between the United States and Iran, saying that “Obama’s multi-vector diplomatic approach inspires hope for peace in the Middle East region.”

However, despite the eulogies to the United States and the oath of allegiance to NATO, the Turkish leadership is far from coordinating its actions with the Americans. Washington’s certain inconsistency in the Syrian direction has once again proved to the Turks that the United States has no permanent allies, but only permanent interests. It is no coincidence that Ankara is trying to insure itself even in military-strategic issues, developing cooperation with other major powers. An example of this is the recent arms deal with China. At the end of September, the Turkish government signed a contract with China for the supply of FD-2000 missile defense systems, which are a modernized version of the Russian C-300 systems. The complex is capable of striking cruise missiles (7 – 24 km), airplanes (7 – 125 km), air-to-surface missiles (7 – 50 km), guided bombs and tactical ballistic missiles (7 – 25 km). This deal has no precedent. The state entering the North Atlantic Alliance, for the first time, buys non-NATO strategic armaments. True, it is not entirely clear how Beijing will explain this contract to Iran, which is still the main buyer of Chinese weapons in the region. Most likely, experts say, the Chinese will calm their partners in Tehran, making it clear that by acquiring their systems instead of Raytheon missile defense systems, the Turkish army will not be able to fit into the NATO missile defense system.

It's all about the pipe

In November of this year, Ahmet Davutoglu developed unimaginable activity. He visited the United States, attended Erdogan and Putin’s meeting in St. Petersburg, visited his Iranian counterpart Mohammed Javad Zarif and held talks with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. In Baghdad, he needed to get the loyal attitude of the authorities to the opening of a pipeline pumping oil from Iraqi Kurdistan to Europe through Turkish territory. This pipeline duplicates the Kirkuk-Ceyhan pipeline controlled by Baghdad (this line with the theoretical capacity of 1,6 million barrels per day is loaded only by one-fifth, besides, explosions occur with enviable constancy). The new pipeline will have a capacity of 250 000 barrels per day and, according to experts, will deprive Baghdad of the last levers of influence on Kurdish autonomy, which, in fact, will receive economic independence.

For Ankara, this oil transportation route has both economic and political advantages. He will vividly demonstrate who the true friend of the Kurds is, and may even convince them of the need to cast their votes for the candidate of the ruling Islamist party in the presidential elections to be held next year.

The current Turkish elite has long dreamed of turning the country into the largest hub for the transportation of Asian and Middle Eastern hydrocarbons to Europe. Let us recall the Nabucco gas pipeline project, which was launched five years ago by certain circles of the EU in order to fill the markets of Western Europe with gas from anywhere (from Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan, Iraq, even Egypt), but not from Russia. After Turkmenistan completely reoriented its gas exports to Asian markets, experts talked about the loss and futility of this project. And with the start of construction of the South Stream, Nabucco began to play the modest role of the Trans-Adriatic Pipeline, through which it is planned to supply minor volumes of Azerbaijani natural gas to Italy.

However, this does not mean that for Gazprom there are no more threats from Turkish territory. If the West really refuses the economic sanctions now against Tehran, the plans for the supply of Iranian natural gas to Europe, which were developed at the beginning of 2000, will almost certainly be revived. And it is clearly interested in the current Turkish elite.

Erdogan’s megaproject, which is connected with the construction of the “second Bosphorus” - the 50-kilometer navigable channel connecting the Black Sea with the Mediterranean, is also causing concern. If this project is implemented, it will cause enormous damage to Russian interests. Indeed, as a result, the international conventions in Montreux will be revised, allowing our large-capacity vessels to cross the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles unhindered. In general, with all the variety of economic ties between Russia and Turkey, it must be remembered that we remain constant competitors in Eurasian projects and a strategic partnership between our countries in the foreseeable future is hardly possible.
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  1. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 5 December 2013 12: 05 New
    +3
    I do not quite understand what we will lose and what will be revised.
    If this project is implemented, it will cause enormous damage to Russian interests. Indeed, as a result, international conventions in Montreux will be revised, allowing our large-tonnage vessels to freely cross the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles.
    Reasons for review? After all, this channel will essentially duplicate the Bosphorus, and will not cancel previous agreements.
    In general, the Turks change their plans a hundred times a day, I would not rely on the words of Erdogan, as an owl of a serious politician. He has made a fuss both in his own country and in international relations. After the events in Syria, many politicians from the East are trying to make a good face with a bad game.
    1. Angry reader
      Angry reader 5 December 2013 15: 28 New
      +4
      They just won’t change it ..) - they sat in a puddle with Syria. Where to compete with Iran ..?
      Moreover, the wildlife birch in the Mediterranean of the Russian fleet, as it does not give a charge of vigor to neo-Ottomans.
      Immediately and sewed in the Ottoman ass-PKK ..)
      1. sens99.ru
        sens99.ru 5 December 2013 19: 01 New
        +3
        Who can remember how we Ottomans staggered 3 centuries ago? wassat So they do not want to restore!
  2. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 5 December 2013 15: 19 New
    +2
    Why refuses? .. And who actually will let her do it? ..
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 5 December 2013 16: 52 New
      12
      Whether someone likes it or not, but today's Turkey is a powerful state, and it has to be reckoned with. Erdogan and others are transitory, but Turkey will not go anywhere and will strengthen from year to year. I myself am not a supporter of Erdogan, in my opinion he confuses interests Turks with the interests of the Arabs. But for anyone, underestimating Turkey is simply stupid and shortsighted.
      1. atalef
        atalef 5 December 2013 16: 54 New
        +3
        [quote = xetai9977] Turkey will not go anywhere and will strengthen from year to year [/ quote
        ]
        Definitely
        [quote = xetai9977] I myself am not a supporter of Erdogan, in my opinion he confuses the interests of the Turks with the interests of the Arabs. [/ quote]
        Absolutely, and the Turks understand this.
      2. domokl
        domokl 5 December 2013 17: 12 New
        +6
        Quote: xetai9977
        Today's Turkey is a powerful state, and we have to reckon with it.

        Turkey has always been reckoned with ... Not only today, but also in Soviet and pre-Soviet times. The stability of the Black Sea region was precisely achieved by the evenness of relations between Russia and Turkey.
        At the moment, the Turks are using the unstable, or rather unclear, position of Ukraine and are trying to strengthen their influence in the region. I think that geopolitically nothing will come of this. The political map in Reshion, thanks to the US position, is changing at a tremendous pace. by purging can be destroyed by the aggravation of the Kurdish problem. And in order for the problem from smoldering to become a burning rather small match. And no matter who sets it on fire, the USA, Israel, NATO or Russia ...
  3. Zymran
    Zymran 5 December 2013 15: 22 New
    +7
    It was as if Turkey wanted her to restore this empire.
    1. Beck
      Beck 5 December 2013 21: 06 New
      +4
      Quote: Zymran
      It was as if Turkey wanted her to restore this empire.


      Turkey, which was one of the main inspirers and organizers of the Middle East revolutions and even hoped to revive the Ottoman Empire with their help,

      Well, what kind of nonsense? What is the Ottoman Empire? Now in the 21st century? That the era of the colonial powers did not go into oblivion after the end of 2 MB?

      That only authors do not blur, if only to kick. Or the author of today's leaders of states considers idiots. There are no other problems for Turkey, other directions, other prerogatives of development as soon as the sultan is erected on the throne and modern Turkey is destroyed, claiming to be the former lands of the Ottoman Empire.
      1. Zymran
        Zymran 5 December 2013 21: 09 New
        +4
        Quote: Beck
        That only authors do not blur, if only to kick. Or the author of today's leaders of states considers idiots. There are no other problems for Turkey, other directions, other prerogatives of development as soon as the sultan is erected on the throne and modern Turkey is destroyed, claiming to be the former lands of the Ottoman Empire.


        + 1 Everything is correct.
      2. aksakal
        aksakal 5 December 2013 21: 47 New
        0
        Quote: Beck
        Quote: Zymran
        It was as if Turkey wanted her to restore this empire.


        Turkey, which was one of the main inspirers and organizers of the Middle East revolutions and even hoped to revive the Ottoman Empire with their help,

        Well, what kind of nonsense? What is the Ottoman Empire? Now in the 21st century? That the era of the colonial powers did not go into oblivion after the end of 2 MB?

        That only authors do not blur, if only to kick. Or the author of today's leaders of states considers idiots. There are no other problems for Turkey, other directions, other prerogatives of development as soon as the sultan is erected on the throne and modern Turkey is destroyed, claiming to be the former lands of the Ottoman Empire.
        Well, judging by the movements of Erdogan, Turkey had no other problems. Why did the Turks need to climb into Syria? For the love of art? Or out of love for Amer’s democracy? If they love this democracy so much, then why help the Amers to impose it on the Syrians? Why do they themselves, since they love democracy so much, do not use it at home? But they don’t use it - Erdogan very hard suppressed his performances because of some three-tree grove there in Istanbul. And Yanukovych was almost accused of crimes against humanity for only one tenth of what Erdogan did to the protesters.
        And what about the general probability of restoration, more precisely, attempts to restore the Ottoman Empire - have you heard about the effect of "spreading along the old tracks" in the physics of complex and super-complex systems? Read at least for general erudition, we'll talk more there. Thank you for changing the flag, now you can argue with you without undue emotions and undue dislike. Now the argument is quite logical.
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 5 December 2013 22: 36 New
          -1
          Quote: aksakal
          Erdogan very stiffly suppressed his performances because of some three-tree grove there in Istanbul.


          Ha ha ha, Turkey has the highest level of democracy in the East!

          Beck is less than you love Kazakhstan? And I realized that he is less than you love
          your homeland? Tell me?
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 6 December 2013 07: 13 New
            +3
            Quote: ayyildiz
            Beck is less than you love Kazakhstan? And how did I understand that he is less than you love your homeland? Tell me?

            - Well, when liberalism rolls over in the soul, it’s hard to love not liberal enough (and even not democratic enough, I admit, and WITHOUT SORRY) Kazakhstan. That is exactly what happened with Beck. And he hung the flag of that country where the level of liberalism exactly matches the level of liberalism in his soul. Do you understand that?
            And even if he loves Kazakhstan, thanks to him, but God forbid my country from such "amateurs". I will personally watch am am am Told clear enough?
            Quote: ayyildiz
            Ha ha ha, Turkey has the highest level of democracy in the East!

            - flag in hand and be proud until retirement wassat
            1. ayyildiz
              ayyildiz 6 December 2013 13: 16 New
              +3
              Quote: aksakal
              Personally, I’ll watch. Told clearly enough?

              Where does arrogance come from?
              1. Beck
                Beck 6 December 2013 19: 32 New
                +4
                Quote: ayyildiz
                Where does arrogance come from?


                He won’t be able to watch. He will only watch.
  4. Stiletto
    Stiletto 5 December 2013 15: 24 New
    +4
    Quote: Zymran
    It was as if Turkey wanted her to restore this empire.


    Turkey, perhaps, wanted to, but only the Wishlist has not yet grown in sufficient size.
  5. alex-kon
    alex-kon 5 December 2013 15: 29 New
    +7
    Turkey is better not to quarrel with Russia. Without our tourists and a huge sales market, they will have to tighten the belt.
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 5 December 2013 17: 14 New
      +7
      So, according to the Turkish Embassy in Moscow, the trade volume of the two countries in 2012, together with indirect costs, amounted to 50 billion dollars, but, despite this, Turkish exports to Russia are equal to only 12-13 billion. Turkey is dependent on Russia in the field of energy (natural gas, oil), and half of the turnover (25 billions) is accounted for by Russian energy exports. Turkey’s income from Russian tourists totals about 4 billion dollars,

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    2. Clegg
      Clegg 5 December 2013 20: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: alex-kon
      Turkey is better not to quarrel with Russia. Without our tourists and a huge sales market, they will have to tighten the belt.


      lol I am laughing at you)
    3. alone
      alone 5 December 2013 21: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: alex-kon
      Turkey is better not to quarrel with Russia. Without our tourists and a huge sales market, they will have to tighten the belt.


      At least follow the links of trade and economic relations between Turkey and Russia.
      Why write such nonsense?
  6. major071
    major071 5 December 2013 15: 50 New
    +9
    The Turks have long dreamed of reviving the great empire "Turan". Even if they continue to dream, they have no time for that. After Atatürk carried out reforms from 1924 to 1934 of the last century, Turkey took a course towards Europeanization and adhered to it for quite a long time. But the current leader of Turkey, Erdogan, took a course towards the Islamization of life in the country, which led to today's turmoil in the country's politics. Throw it off soon. yes
    1. not good
      not good 5 December 2013 23: 22 New
      +1
      Yes, it’s likely that today the Turkish authorities need to think not about the revival of the Ottoman Empire, but about maintaining the integrity of the state today.
  7. Asgard
    Asgard 5 December 2013 16: 01 New
    +3
    ERDOGAN transplanted the military in his country,
    tried to remake the Turkish society already remade ATATYURKOM (father of the Turks))
    again, go to the Shiri'i foundations, having departed from the SECOND society ..
    He often travels to Washington,
    He dragged the MIM-104 "Patriot" systems into his territory, hiding behind problems with Syria,
    I landed a plane from Moscow !!!! and Putin did nothing, so on the orders of the "big uncles")))
    Conducting a policy of shattering society, not in the national interest, weakening the state-in!?!?
    Irresponsible .... quarrels with Middle Eastern states, moreover, personally and contrary to the interests of Business and politics (playing his backstage game)) and interestingly, Putin supports him!?!? Implicitly, (well, let's say it doesn’t mind))))
    Pawns in a political game whose goal is to ignite the entire region in the flames of the Great War ....
    Objections from anyone I do not see .... I think that they will succeed))))
    The Rothschilds plan is to make the world divided into several currency zones.
    that's all Erdogan POLICY))))
    1. atalef
      atalef 5 December 2013 16: 09 New
      +4
      Quote: Asgard
      The Rothschilds plan is to make the world divided into several currency zones. Here and all the Erdogan POLICY))))

      Erdogan’s plan to revive Pan-Turkism and Great Turkey. This is not included in the plans of either the US or Europe. Therefore, he beats like a fish on ice and to no avail. So to no avail, then quarreled with the United States. Europe, Egypt, and generally in the region, it’s simply not digested, and oddly enough
      Arabs trust him less and less, and the index of trust in him in countries such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Syria - fell below the plinth
  8. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 5 December 2013 16: 03 New
    +1
    Turkey as a mongrel barked a lot, got it in the teeth, hid in a kennel and sits quietly. They have one thing in +, that delicious routes along this booth pass, they will throw bones, yum-numb, and then forward.
    1. Humpty
      Humpty 5 December 2013 17: 54 New
      +5
      No, the mongrel is yapping from his booth, you know how the rootless dog feels like a wolfhound, while on the chain. Yes, from time to time it creeps out of the booth to fulfill their needs, either in the Caucasus or in Syria, that is, to where the chain is enough.
  9. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 5 December 2013 16: 06 New
    +7
    Gee gee gee! They traded - they had fun, counted - they cried ... The Turks tried to build something, using tanks, machine guns, bombs, planes as a tool and as builders of bandits, murderers and suckers divorced by Americans on Twitter. Pan-Turkism without a trace of the presence of the brain ...
    If you are going to build a great power, you have two ways. Our and western. Ours is wars and construction, help, joint work. And most often even without war - we agree, build, produce ... Western - war, robbery, capture and kill-kill-kill. Until the instinct of resistance disappears in the conquered.
    Turkey has found a "special way" - the way of a lackey under the organizers of the "Arab Spring", hoping for some reason that he will be allowed to receive all the dividends from successful operations. At the same time, the Turks did not even understand properly what these "springs" do with the countries in which they occur. The result, I believe, completely suits the organizers of the destruction of stable Arab countries. It was possible to almost completely shift the responsibility for the chaos, blood and tears to Turkey. Moreover, its rulers have shown such enthusiasm in self-blackening and assuming responsibility for the rivers of blood that they are simply taken aback. Truly, every mind has a limit of strength. And only stupidity is limitless ...
    Wang, as they say on youth sites. Ukraine has dodged so far. Now, with the same idiotic enthusiasm, Turkey will lay down its economy to extend the sweet life of the European Union. We ought to really carry less money for them, build their resorts ...
  10. Yeraz
    Yeraz 5 December 2013 16: 08 New
    +6
    What knows refused ??
    Any state wants to develop to be stronger, give at least a bunch of names for this, but the process will go on.
    Now the settlement of the conflict with Iran is in the hands of Turkey. They are actually becoming the energy center, the Caspian energy carriers go through its territory, have agreed with Iraq and the center and the Kurds, the same Bosphorus.
    The only thing the Turks got excited about is expanding in all directions.
    And please, let's not start the dilemma that huge Turkey, one of the 20 largest economies, lives off tourists ala Tagil with "huge coughs" and almost sells 90% of its exports to Russia))
  11. knn54
    knn54 5 December 2013 16: 12 New
    0
    Pan-Turkism has not been abolished. In the Balkans, the Caucasus, and especially in Central Asia they are not curtailed. The Turks are patient people, and they know how to wait / wait.
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 5 December 2013 19: 29 New
      +1
      Pan-Turkism does not mean the dominant role of a Turkic state; it is an equal society of fraternal Turkic peoples.
    2. Beck
      Beck 5 December 2013 21: 50 New
      +4
      Quote: knn54
      Pan-Turkism was not abolished. They are not curtailed in the Balkans, the Caucasus, and especially in Central Asia.


      What is pan-Turkism? Actually, it never was, there is nothing to revive. Cultural and economic ties are yes. But pan-Turkism as a whole is a delirium by which some authors scare unintelligent readers.

      Plant together an Uzbek, a Kyrgyz, a Kazakh, a Turkmen, so in half a day, maybe not half a day, and half an hour there will be so many contradictions that there will be nowhere to make complaints.

      But, of course, there are painters who are ready to tear their throats for a mythical assumption, but they do not do the weather.
    3. smersh70
      smersh70 5 December 2013 23: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: knn54
      Anturkism was not abolished. In the Balkans, the Caucasus, and especially in

      ... and especially in Ukraine .. enter your area is called-MAIDAN .. probably the ancestors of Klitschko. were in the troops of Atilla .... wassat .
  12. avt
    avt 5 December 2013 16: 26 New
    +2
    Quote: knn54
    Pan-Turkism has not been abolished. In the Balkans, the Caucasus, and especially in Central Asia they are not curtailed. The Turks are patient people, and they know how to wait / wait.

    good Yes, they did not abandon the revival of the Ottoman Empire, Pan-Turkism has not been removed from the agenda as an advanced idea. It’s just that Erdogan realized from the Washington regional committee that he is not yet capable of playing the role of a world-class player and he has no permission to walk on the chessboard on his own. the game continues - "Only when everyone is dead, only then the Big Game will end"
  13. Zymran
    Zymran 5 December 2013 16: 48 New
    +5
    In Kazakhstan, in principle, the ideas of pan-Turkism are relatively popular among young people, but only as the development and strengthening of trade, economic and cultural ties between the Turkic countries. I mean, without an older brother.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 5 December 2013 19: 29 New
      0
      Quote: Zymran
      In Kazakhstan, in principle, the ideas of pan-Turkism are relatively popular among young people, but only as the development and strengthening of trade, economic and cultural ties between the Turkic countries. I mean, without an older brother.

      So the fact is that both the Turkish leadership and, most importantly, the Turks themselves do not look high on the countries and peoples of the Turkic world. Unlike Russia with their Slavs.
      1. Zymran
        Zymran 5 December 2013 19: 54 New
        +5
        Well, don’t tell me, brother. Everyones come across. There are intelligent, but there are very arrogant people who don’t want to hear about brotherhood. The first of course more.
  14. makarov
    makarov 5 December 2013 17: 03 New
    +1
    Maybe it is worth whispering louder to the comrades from the Kurdish Workers' Party that Erdogan and K * are trying to devour their vital interests? What would they create problems for him, otherwise you would see the Bedolak bored.
  15. asadov
    asadov 5 December 2013 18: 09 New
    +1
    There won’t be a great Turan. It has already become just a fairy tale for little Turks.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 5 December 2013 19: 34 New
      +5
      Quote: asadov
      There won’t be a great Turan. It has already become just a fairy tale for little Turks.

      Well, it’s clear while it’s utopia.
      But what can not be impossible for us to decide everything can be. Now yes, and in the future ...
  16. Christian
    Christian 5 December 2013 18: 27 New
    -11 qualifying.
    Turkey, in the next 20 years, will be divided between Russia, Greece, Armenia and Kurdistan. Turkey is our everlasting and invincible enemy.
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 5 December 2013 19: 30 New
      0
      Christian, do not say gop until you jump over. It is still unknown which country will be divided ...
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 5 December 2013 19: 32 New
      +5
      Quote: Christian
      Turkey, in the next 20 years, will be divided between Russia, Greece, Armenia and Kurdistan. Turkey is our everlasting and invincible enemy.

      hahah, here some people take it before writing)))
      Armenia itself cannot protect its territories, what is the territory of Turkey, and what do the Kurds live for, the lands that the Armenians claim, how will they agree)))
      Greece well, funny
      But Russia cannot cope with the population of the small Caucasus, as it will with the 80 million people of Turkey. And by the way, what territories will Russia leave?
      1. Hort
        Hort 6 December 2013 06: 39 New
        0
        I do not support the post of Christian, but
        And Russia cannot cope with the population of the small Caucasus,
        cannot, but does not want. And these are two big differences;)
    3. Rattenfanger
      Rattenfanger 5 December 2013 19: 56 New
      +1
      For God's sake, get involved with drugs!
      1. alone
        alone 5 December 2013 21: 07 New
        +3
        Quote: Rattenfanger
        For God's sake, get involved with drugs!


        this is not drugs. this is a disease. and it is incurable)))
    4. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 5 December 2013 20: 35 New
      0
      Are you going to help to share? laughing
    5. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 5 December 2013 21: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: Christian
      Turkey, in the next 20 years, will be divided between Russia, Greece, Armenia and Kurdistan.

      It would not hurt to ask Russia and Greece at least -Is it necessary? and why the bolt is such happiness, Tajiks at least sing so you eat another 20 million Turks fool
      1. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 5 December 2013 22: 39 New
        +4
        Quote: Ruslan67
        so another million 20 Turks add

        80-90 millions!
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 5 December 2013 22: 41 New
          +4
          Quote: ayyildiz
          80-90 millions!

          So divide like four what Or have the others already abandoned such happiness in advance? laughing
          1. ty60
            ty60 5 December 2013 23: 30 New
            +2
            ask the Germans, they will send their own!
          2. ty60
            ty60 5 December 2013 23: 30 New
            0
            ask the Germans, they will send their own!
    6. realist
      realist 5 December 2013 22: 27 New
      +2
      the enemy is the enemy, but you don’t need to lose a sense of proportion
  17. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 5 December 2013 19: 05 New
    +4
    Turkey will remain Turkey .. at least in the coming years 20 = 30 .. They don’t have anything Ottoman left (resort area however) Erdogan’s show off to Syria’s account (pulling down fighter forces shot down in Syria ..) and then silence ..Turks they remembered the Russians for a long time .. Let them join the TS (they will leave NATO) and they will have the Ottoman Empire (only in the other direction))) bully It’s real ... heh heh
  18. Reyngard
    Reyngard 5 December 2013 19: 26 New
    +7
    Why is there so much literacy on the site? (I mean spelling). You, gentlemen, are good, first learn to write in Russian, and then write thoughtful comments about Turkey, Russian patriotism, and so on.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 5 December 2013 20: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: Reyngard
      Well, gentlemen, good ones, first learn to write in Russian, and then write thoughtful comments about Turkey, Russian patriotism, and so on.

      It happens .. The main thing you understand the essence ..)))
  19. Rattenfanger
    Rattenfanger 5 December 2013 19: 54 New
    +1
    Turkey abandons the idea of ​​recreating the Ottoman Empire? And "Boz kurt" with its ideas of the Great Turan is that? An attempt to create a worldwide union of Santa Claus?
  20. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 5 December 2013 19: 54 New
    +3
    Turks are our old enemies!

    You need to remember this.

    Despite the current cash flow.

    And I would advise our authorities to increase the tourist attractiveness of Russia. So that our citizens would not leave money in Turkey, but with us.
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 5 December 2013 20: 39 New
      +4
      Quote: Enot-poloskun
      And I would advise our authorities to increase the tourist attractiveness of Russia. So that our citizens would not leave money in Turkey, but with us.


      And I advise ours. Minimum gas oil and gas from Russia! laughing
  21. Clegg
    Clegg 5 December 2013 20: 08 New
    +4
    I understand that Turkey is not favored. It is in the top five countries for haters. USA, England, Turkey, Japan and Israel. Here are five countries that everyone here hates)
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 6 December 2013 10: 42 New
      +2
      You forgot about Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan
      1. lilit.193
        lilit.193 6 December 2013 15: 22 New
        -1
        Quote: xetai9977
        You forgot about Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan

        We never forget about them. wink But they are up to leadership in the Turkic massif as before Beijing with cancer. wink
  22. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 5 December 2013 20: 19 New
    +1
    Quote: Clegg
    I understand that Turkey is not favored. It is in the top five countries for haters. USA, England, Turkey, Japan and Israel. Here are five countries that everyone here hates)

    Turkey you should not have included in this list .. (Antalya however))) laughing Go on .. I wonder why ..?
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 5 December 2013 21: 34 New
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Go on .. I wonder why ..?


      You have no idea? After all, historical enemies, except Israel.

      In Russia, being anti-Semite is the norm.
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 5 December 2013 21: 37 New
        +3
        Quote: Clegg
        In Russia, being anti-Semite is the norm.

        You didn’t get hit on the battery with your head in childhood?
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 6 December 2013 07: 55 New
          +2
          Quote: Ruslan67
          You didn’t get hit on the battery with your head in childhood?


          Kazakh families don’t do this, but did you have such problems?
  23. Director
    Director 5 December 2013 21: 08 New
    +3
    Turkey is a dynamically developing country with a fairly strong economy. It has high GDP growth rates. Very favorable geopolitical position. Over time, it has a chance to become a center of attraction for countries formerly part of the Ottoman Empire, which are developing less successfully. If Turkey surpasses Russia in terms of development and prosperity, many Turkic-speaking peoples will think: Which country should connect their future with?
    The imperial project, which Turkey will strive to implement anyway, is being implemented in the 21st century not by force of arms, but by economic power and technological superiority.
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 5 December 2013 22: 43 New
      +4
      Totally agree hi
  24. yurii p
    yurii p 5 December 2013 23: 28 New
    0
    "Why Turkey refuses the project of restoring the Ottoman Empire" .... only because Russia does not want it, it was at the expense of the territory of Russia that Turkey planned to revive its empire.
  25. pinkrabbit
    pinkrabbit 5 December 2013 23: 37 New
    +3
    Dear! Sultan Suleiman Khan Hazret Leri!
    1. alone
      alone 5 December 2013 23: 39 New
      +8
      laughing seen a lot of Turkish TV shows)))
  26. Beck
    Beck 5 December 2013 23: 38 New
    +4
    Quote: yurii p
    "Why Turkey refuses the project of restoring the Ottoman Empire" .... only because Russia does not want it, it was at the expense of the territory of Russia that Turkey planned to revive its empire.


    The flowers wilted and the leaves all fell off after such a fall. Well, how at the expense of Russia? Before Russia, the Balkans must be crossed and the Moroccan coast of the Atlantic must be reached.

    And in general, what kind of empire? Influence on neighboring countries, one way or another, want to have any country, but to revive the Ottoman Empire? Complete nonsense.
  27. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 6 December 2013 00: 11 New
    +2
    Why is Turkey abandoning the project of restoring the Ottoman Empire?

    And who postulated this and where is the answer to this question in the article?
    Another thing is that everything is like in that joke: "She wants to want, but who will give her ...".
    Amba, the Naglo-Saxon empire, staked out a place for itself excluding any empire in principle. As the saying goes, "Bolivar will not stand two."