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The analytical program "However," with Mikhail Leontyev 03 December 2013

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Dvizhuha in Ukraine sort of calms down. Although a couple of days ago, shouting about the revolution. With that, even earlier, on the eve all analysts of all orientations agreed that there would be no second Maidan. And everything will resolve itself.

“Everything that is happening now says that this is not a revolution at all, but well-prepared actions. And these actions, in my opinion, were not prepared for today. They were preparing for the presidential election campaign of March, in any case, spring 2015 of the year. Well, it's just a small false start due to certain circumstances, "said President Vladimir Putin.

Certain circumstances are completely unexpected, hard nightly dispersal of a harmless student get-together on Maidan, which served as a kind of trigger for riots. At the same time there is every reason to believe that this was a deliberate and planned provocation. At first, the opposition unexpectedly cleared the square, from where everyone left, except for the handful of young people who remained there. According to authoritative sources in Ukraine, someone from the inner circle of the Ukrainian president who entered into an agreement with the opposition, could give an order to a tough sweep of “Euromaidan”, about which respect the Ukrainian leadership constantly asserted. After that, pre-prepared, fulfilled actions followed.

Substrates and betrayals are not a new topic in Ukrainian politics. I must say that the vacillation and uncertainty of Ukrainian politics soda for this extremely nutritious soil. It was the current government that led the Ukrainians to this very European choice, about which Euromaidan was moaning, which at the last moment made an acrobatic leash. When it suddenly became clear what the price of this, if I may say so, choice was. At the same time, the Ukrainians themselves, who have been brainwashed for years, did not have time to notify about this somehow.

“And it doesn’t seem strange, it’s little connected with relations between Ukraine and the European Union. After all, pay attention, no one plunges into these draft agreements, no one sees anything and no one hears anything,” Putin said.

From the conversation with one of the rally participants:
- What are the advantages of this association?
- These are prospects for Ukraine, and, first of all, for young people.
- What is the prospect?
- Ability to go abroad to see.
- So no one cancels the visa.
- How not to cancel? How do you know? The agreement says.
- Do not say.
- It is said.
- You have not read?
- Was reading.

I did not read the conditions of the association, and they, we will repeat, extremely cruel, are not only an infantile man in the street from Maidan, but also the majority of Ukrainian deputies and officials. Because the European choice for some people is a purely aesthetic phenomenon - it’s like not to dunk the dumplings into sour cream, but to jump in your mouth.

For others, it’s just a receipt of loyalty to western curators who hold their throats. That's who really blackmails the Ukrainian elite, and not Russia at all. Do they keep their money with us ?! The problem of the government, the current Ukrainian government is that the real consent to a real association means the collapse of the Ukrainian economy, and therefore the collapse of this government. Here you blackmail - do not blackmail ... What is the European choice here?

From the movie "Kill the Dragon":
- "Do you hear me? You don't hear me. That, however, does not matter. When this blond man asks you - I agree, say I agree. Can you say? You can't? It doesn’t matter. Then nod. It doesn’t matter either."
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  1. Belogor
    Belogor 4 December 2013 09: 26 New
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    Rat fuss abundantly in all structures of power. They disperse, then apologize, refuse to associate, after some time, declare that negotiations with the European Union on membership will continue. No clear position ultimately play into the hands of the opposition.
    1. Canep
      Canep 4 December 2013 09: 57 New
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      - What is the prospect?
      - Ability to go abroad to see.
      - So no one cancels the visa.
      - How not to cancel? How do you know? The agreement says.
      The authorities of Ukraine, and preferably journalists, need to fully publish this association agreement, with comments in which to indicate the consequences for each item of this paper using the example of Bulgaria (also a fraternal people), taking into account Russia's response. And also indicate what the outcome of the withdrawal from this agreement will be in the future. Maybe it will reach the people.
      1. DuraLexSedLex.
        DuraLexSedLex. 4 December 2013 10: 19 New
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        Quote: Canep
        Maybe it will reach the people.

        They haven’t reached them in 20 years, but would you like to have a read?) Dear Minesweeper, I wouldn’t be so optimistic) I think Euro-divorce will continue ... and unfortunately it will come back to the whole population of Ukraine, because the Russian Federation will close the border and introduce visas, Ukrainian industry, both agricultural and heavy, will lose its market (the Russian market), and will not be in demand in the west (nobody will let it go) ... Yes, and we need something to plunge into Europe if they want to.
        1. Canep
          Canep 4 December 2013 10: 34 New
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          Quote: DuraLexSedLex.
          I would not be so optimistic

          If it reaches 5 percent of the people, it is no wonder that the paper was stained. The independent government needed to figure out such an option in advance, and prepare informational propaganda material in advance in case of non-acceptance of the association, so that all that remained was to throw it out in the media.
          1. DuraLexSedLex.
            DuraLexSedLex. 4 December 2013 10: 42 New
            +6
            Quote: Canep
            Independent government needed to calculate in advance

            If they lived tomorrow (they thought about something other than their own pockets), and not today (to grab more today, otherwise it will not work tomorrow), then they might have learned to count)))
        2. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 4 December 2013 11: 13 New
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          Quote: DuraLexSedLex.
          For 20 years it didn’t reach them, but do you want to get a read?

          I confirm.
          The other day I talked with classmates living on NezlEzhnoy on an Internet. One lives in Kiev - it seems that he finally "got lost" - in his comments only spitting towards the Russian Federation flew. The second, a native hare, who remained in Transcarpathia after his service, is strictly convinced of the involvement of the Russian media in covering the Maidan and everything and everything around the Euro-association. And both, in one voice, straight away, instead of greeting, began to convince me that I and all Russians do not really know ANYTHING about the events in Kiev and in Ukraine in general.
          It seems that the Kissel and Shustrik factor played a negative role.
          1. atalef
            atalef 4 December 2013 12: 01 New
            -31 qualifying.
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            And both, in one voice, immediately, instead of greeting, began to convince me that I and all Russians really do not know ANYTHING about the events in Kiev and Ukraine as a whole. It seems that the factor of Kissel and Shustrika played its negative role.

            Or maybe you really do not know? Why do you (who have information only from the media) think that you know the situation better than living there? Or do you think they paid the same price?
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 4 December 2013 12: 07 New
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              Quote: atalef
              Or maybe you really do not know? Why do you (who have information only from the media) think that you know the situation better than living there? Or do you think they paid the same price?

              And I I do not pretend on OVERNIGHT.
              But I strongly suspect that I can put together a mosaic of pictures from those pieces of information that the Internet gives (news channels, Ukrainian forum participants), my impressions of my trips to Ukraine, TV - Russian media news, Euronews, BBC, RT, CNN.
              And you, Atalef, where do you get the information?
              1. atalef
                atalef 4 December 2013 12: 32 New
                -5
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                But I strongly suspect that I CAN put together a mosaic of pictures from those pieces of information that the Internet gives (news channels, Ukrainian forum participants), my impressions of my trips to Ukraine, TV - Russian media news, Euronews, BBC, RT, CNN.And you, Atalef, where do you get information

                I’m from my wife’s relatives and annual visits to Kiev (the last time 4 months ago) and I simply add my opinion --- from communicating with people I know and trust because Media is usually biased and the Internet is the same. Therefore, the situation is better than the people living there cannot describe to you and, of course, the most truthful. Tk - they are not dependent and as a rule it makes no sense to lie to them.
                Not so long ago I had a dialogue with Romanov about the dominance of the Chinese in the Dal. Vostok, I gave him the same 10 articles about this, but after his only suggestion - I live here - believe me, I have almost no questions - - why - I know him for a long time and I am sure that lying to him does not make any sense.
                Therefore, I think it is 100t times better to hear the opinion of the person whom you know (living there) than to read 50 Internet articles. For example, what I hear in the news of RTR (planet) about the events in Kiev - I’m not just filtering, but just sweeping it. even to me, who is in Kiev once a year for 2-3 weeks, and it’s clear that this is just an outright lie and no one will convince me because this is the opinion that I developed from my personal impressions of being in Ukraine - again. they may be quite subjective in relation to the whole of Ukraine - but I know the opinion of a fairly large number of Kievites --- even if this is really a relative of my wife — but there are many of them, of different ages and oligarchs or deputies among them. Simple Ukrainians. the bulk of hard workers and retirees - with their little children bruised (though not by everyone) hi
                Therefore, it is better to trust people, not the media.
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 4 December 2013 12: 41 New
                  +5
                  Quote: atalef
                  Therefore, it is better to trust people, not the media.

                  Thank you.
                  I am trying.
                  hi
                  1. Jogan-xnumx
                    Jogan-xnumx 4 December 2013 19: 04 New
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                    Quote: stalkerwalker
                    Thank you.
                    I am trying.

                    Yeah. And also try not to listen to the broadcaster above, who has information from his wife's relatives in Kiev. For, most likely, those relatives jerked from Kiev in advance, or spent the whole last week in some basement, afraid to stick their nose out. Or do you think that the National Banderyos kiss the Jews in the gums? He has the same information "high quality".
                    I talked with the people of Kiev (some of my former colleagues in Kiev settled), talked with the Crimeans (relatives in Sevastopol), with the Transcarpathians (colleagues), Luhansk, Kharkov citizens. And I will tell you frankly that the Russian news covers the events in Ukraine more believably. Ukrainian - quite often lie awkwardly. Pads, juggling, cheeky falsification, cutting, mounting, etc.
                    People in Transcarpathia, for example, consider themselves descendants of Russians - Rusyns. During the Sabbath on the Maidan, residents of the region sent a collective petition to Yanukovych demanding to restore constitutional order in the country, call for accountability of the Bandera nationalists and integrate with Russia. Almost 80% of the region’s population approved the petition, and only 5% supported the Maydans. This is what Kiev relatives and your interlocutor will not say. Crimeans, in response to the appeal of nationalists to the US Congress for help, turned to Putin with the same request as the leader of a sister country. In general, there are many facts, I can still throw ... hi
                    1. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 4 December 2013 19: 15 New
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                      Quote: Jogan-64
                      In general, there are many facts, I can still throw ...

                      Thank you.
                      I had enough from my Kiev "interlocutor".
                      The Land of the Soviets taught to "read between the lines."
                      Yes, and he, like, isn’t foolish (?) laughing
                      Good luck!
                      hi
                    2. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 5 December 2013 04: 33 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Jogan-64
                      People in Transcarpathia, for example, consider themselves descendants of Russians - Rusyns.

                      After the collapse of the Russian Empire, there was even a state-Transcarpathian Russia. So why be surprised request
                2. ekzorsist
                  ekzorsist 4 December 2013 20: 30 New
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                  atalef
                  Alas, as one of the "classics" said, "... in this world you can't trust anyone." - "... Even you?!?" - "... Hmm. Even me!"
                  Too much brainwashed in humans and therefore often white becomes black. And how to believe them?
                  1. IGS
                    IGS 5 December 2013 05: 45 New
                    +1

                    This is truly a classic. smile
                3. Cynic
                  Cynic 5 December 2013 18: 11 New
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                  Quote: atalef
                  I come from my wife’s relatives and annual visits to Kiev

                  But this has not been given to me. _ To say so much without saying a word in essence.
                  So can you express your opinion specifically on events in Ukraine?
            2. RDS-1
              RDS-1 4 December 2013 12: 39 New
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              Are you laughing? Ten years have not passed, as the story with Maidan is repeated one-on-one, and you have to be nine year old a jerk (or a moron craving a Eurohalyva), so as not to understand what it is, what it leads to and how it will end.

              Mil check, if it looks like g .., it smells like g .., then it is g .. no matter what they say in the media.
            3. Ascetic
              Ascetic 4 December 2013 12: 39 New
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              Quote: atalef
              Why do you (having information exclusively from the media) think that you know the situation better than those who live there? Or do you think they paid the same?


              It was enough for me to observe with my own eyes what was happening in Moscow and how and most importantly who organized it and to compare the Kiev Maidan almost one to one. The same fans, for example, on Pushkinskaya in the metro shouted instead of their usual obscene chants, "Putin is a thief", on the Maidan they are the same in the forefront. They don't care what to shout. The main thing is the process The same hired city loafers, broken into fives at the head with a senior who periodically notes the presence in a piece of paper, otherwise at the end of the "working day" you will not get a penny as if you were saved for "truancy".
              All the same lies of the liberal media, Example please, from "Echo Matza". Written by journalist Sergei Loiko (Works in Moscow Bureau of the Los Angeles Times (USA), cooperates with "Novaya Gazeta", radio station "Echo of Moscow". Author of reports from areas of military and political conflicts in the countries of the former USSR and far abroad.)
              Passage called Why Maidan - not Swamp and not Biryulyovo. That is, I, as an ordinary man in the street on the basis of what I see with my own eyes, conclude that the Maidan and the marshy are of one field and one scenario of a berry, and he is lying to me! Do not believe your eyes! It’s evident that more than one such a comparison occurred to me, that means I received an order immediately to dispel this business and prove that there was nothing to do with any external forces. I will quote some points. Here he writes
              Have you seen in Russia at least once 100 thousand people, or at least 50 thousand singing a national anthem in unison? Have we even seen at least one group of people of any size doing this sacred (without laughter) occupation? Well, maybe only on TV four times a year, performed by the state choir of three or four hundred crooks and thieves. And even then half of them do not know the words.
              And as a proof of this, this photo is printed in the internet with the caption “We are already a million”


              It turned out that the picture was taken back in 2004, and not at protests, but during the celebration of Independence Day. And the number is known - the entire area and the entire Khreshchatyk (not even visible here) - about 130 people.

              Then he writes
              For all four days on the Maidan, I did not see a single drunk. I have not heard a single swear word. People smile at each other like brothers and sisters, they feel connected, they are close, relatives of each other.

              Well, of course, who would argue. Just watch the video.

              link to video

              And in conclusion, this American highlander writes
              Earlier, out of great-power stupidity, I worried about the Crimea, which "Nikita gave the Ukrainians drunk". And now I have seen the light to understand how smart and far-sighted Khrushchev was.
              At least part of the Russian land now has the opportunity to live in the country, not in the territory, and has a chance to be people, not the population. And Nehai live!


              Here we draw such information exclusively from the media ..
              1. atalef
                atalef 4 December 2013 13: 04 New
                -20 qualifying.
                Quote: Ascetic
                It was enough for me to observe with my own eyes what happened in Moscow and how and most importantly by whom it was organized and to compare the Kiev Maidan - almost one to one

                Sorry, of course, but not enough. you see only what they show and you don’t know the main thing - the general mood of the people

                Quote: Ascetic
                All the same lies of the liberal media, Example please, from Echo Matsy. Written by journalist Sergei Loiko (Works in the Moscow bureau of the Los Angeles Times newspaper (USA), collaborates with Novaya Gazeta, radio station Echo of Moscow. Author reports from areas of military-political conflicts in the countries of the former USSR and far abroad.)

                Do not believe either the one or the other RTR with the first channel - if there are no relatives or friends who will let them say it - but the truth - never say that you know what really
                Quote: Ascetic
                . That is, I, as an ordinary man in the street, proceeding from what I see in my own eyes

                You do not see with your own eyes - you see with the eyes of a cameraman filming what is needed in the spirit of his report
                Quote: Ascetic
                Have you seen in Russia at least once 100 thousand people, or at least 50 thousand singing a national anthem in unison? In general, we saw at least one group of people of any size doing this sacred (without laughter) occupation

                I saw 150t people singing a hymn - (though not Ukrainian) - and on the basis of this did you conclude that everything is crap?
                Russia is extremely unprofitable for the situation in Ukraine (just don’t think that I am for the EU or against the Customs Union - I’m on the drum), but it’s clear that you won’t hear anything good about the Ukrainians rallying on any state channel - - why? Well, not yet paid. In my opinion, 90% + ---- they don’t get any money for it.
                Only Ukrainians know objective information - but few people hear them here. most of them write that many do not like it here, despite the fact that literally a month or two ago everything they wrote did not cause any suspicion of lies. Where this poradox came from, simply from TGO, something. what they write is not commensurate either with your desires or with the general visibility of the picture giving the Russian media
                I AM . I believe people, Ukrainians who write here. and it does not matter for or against the Maidan - that. what they write is the only truth that you can believe
                1. Sandov
                  Sandov 4 December 2013 17: 43 New
                  +4
                  Quote: atalef
                  (don’t just think that I am for the EU or against the Customs Union - it’s something like a drum to me),


                  Oh oh Such ardor is alarming. The second year on the atalef site. But your unbiased statements are extremely rare. I do not deny sometimes say great.
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 4 December 2013 19: 06 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Sandov
                    Oh oh Such ardor is alarming. Second year atalef website

                    Second year belay ? I still remember the ascetic with Romanov.
                    1. Apollo
                      Apollo 4 December 2013 19: 09 New
                      +1
                      Quote: atalef
                      Second year ? I'm still an ascetic with Romanov ordinary remember


                      Well, then what status were you in ?! laughing
                      1. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 5 December 2013 04: 37 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Apollon
                        Well, then what status were you in ?!

                        Sperm breaking through a Chinese product wassat
                      2. Rusich51
                        Rusich51 5 December 2013 19: 09 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Quote: Apollon
                        Well, then what status were you in ?!

                        Sperm breaking through a Chinese product wassat


                        Well I'm sedimented wassat
              2. Cherdak
                Cherdak 4 December 2013 23: 28 New
                +1
                Quote: atalef
                you see through the eyes of a cameraman filming what is needed in the spirit of his report


                And this is an exclusively tidbit for a true Jew.
                Enjoy, otherwise you are excited!
              3. IGS
                IGS 5 December 2013 06: 16 New
                +1
                You do not see with your own eyes - you see with the eyes of a cameraman filming what is needed in the spirit of his report
                I’m watching online from the Maidan, and since I don’t know the Ukrainian language, I understand his position ... but what I see (supposedly with his eyes) is a dull sight, look at the protest from the prosecutor’s office, but the ringleaders are very clearly visible. And I’m watching from CCTV cameras, I’m wondering what their position is. laughing , from them I saw overclocking ... and I don’t understand ... the people there before that had a gulkin's nose ... but all of them, as one, went not from the "Berkut" but to him. These are like not trained people ... well, well. I saw that the golden eagle stood in a line near the presidential administration, and at the beginning did not move anywhere and did not intend to, and immediately saw how the paving stones were being taken apart, why? for guard? Then, however, they had to recognize the opposition and blame everything on the provocateurs, and if they broke through, they would then leave? saying that "no, it was not us who captured, but the provocateurs!" NO! Because the rest of the buildings in which they settled now, were seized by the same "provocateurs" who suddenly became peaceful Protestants. And your comments are alarming. You said that you have to trust people, or, say, your people you know, I even attached a video there. But you continue to convince us of something. And you convince us that ... that in Ukraine everything is not the way we see it, and that WE are wrong and our conclusions are not true, maybe because you justify us, that we are looking at the wrong "pictures". Cleverly and competently do it to you plus for it. And minus for ignorance of geography. Do you mean closer to Israel, which means better? By the way, I spend a month in Ukraine on vacation. You know, these tricks are useless here, and if you are a Jew, you should think on whose side you are, from whom, but from the Jews, I did not expect that they would take the same side with the Westerners. And it is not necessary that you are not on whose side.
            4. Ascetic
              Ascetic 4 December 2013 13: 11 New
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              That's about the drunk and the money.





              1. atalef
                atalef 4 December 2013 13: 26 New
                -11 qualifying.
                We are simply returning to the media, I’ve 10 reports concocting any teiu-it doesn’t mean that they are true, I don’t say that you should trust only one media and don’t believe others, I say that you can only believe friends, acquaintances and relatives they and only they will say what about close to the truth
                1. Nevsky_ZU
                  Nevsky_ZU 4 December 2013 14: 12 New
                  14
                  Quote: atalef
                  We are simply returning to the media, I’ve 10 reports concocting any teiu-it doesn’t mean that they are true, I don’t say that you should trust only one media and don’t believe others, I say that you can only believe friends, acquaintances and relatives they and only they will say what about close to the truth


                  And I am a citizen of Ukraine, and a participant in Orange 2004, and I can subscribe to every word of Asket, and what next? I do not live in Israel, but I see that the further from 1991, the more even 100% of ethnic Russians, not just Russian-speaking Ukrainians, namely Russians, become Russophobes and "Ukrainians", and just because there is no subject for parity in Russian-language schools - History of Russia. Simply, even on a par with the history of Ukraine. No. But there is a textbook in Russian on the history of Ukraine, where the UPA is cool. And Russian teachers were slaughtered in Western Ukraine by the NKVD disguised as the UPA. And the OUN (the forerunner of the UPA), who, by the way, in June 1941 they smashed someone there in Lviv (you won’t guess), are white and fluffy. :)
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 4 December 2013 14: 24 New
                    -7
                    Quote: Nevsky_ZU
                    And I am a citizen of Ukraine, and a participant in orange 2004, and I can subscribe to every word of Ascetic, and what next?

                    Nothing, just that your opinion does not coincide with the opinion of the wife's relatives. That's all, I do not pretend to be the ultimate truth. And my opinion is absolutely not obliged to coincide with yours - which is generally absolutely normal
                    Quote: Nevsky_ZU
                    100% of ethnic Russians, not just Russian-speaking Ukrainians, namely Russians, become Russophobes and "Ukrainians",

                    Why? Probably due to the fact that they are not happy with the behavior of the authorities of the historical homeland or something? Explain, please . there must be a reason why Russians become Russophobes
                    Quote: Nevsky_ZU
                    and just because there is no subject for parity in Russian-language schools - History of Russia

                    I don’t think, but why parents? We also have no subject in the history of Russia or Ukraine, but this does not prevent my children from loving and respecting these 2 countries (as I do, by the way)
                    Quote: Nevsky_ZU
                    And Russian teachers were slaughtered in Western Ukraine, dressed as NKVD under the guise of the UPA. And the OUN (UPA forerunner), which, incidentally, in June 1941 smashed someone there in Lviv (you’ll not guess), is white and fluffy. :)

                    Chatter is empty, children perceive how their parents raise them and no propaganda will beat the brains of normal people. The problem is that neither children, but their parents become Russophobes (they wrote themselves) --- why? Because of the upa? I doubt
                    1. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 4 December 2013 14: 47 New
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                      Quote: atalef
                      Nothing, just that your opinion does not coincide with the opinion of the wife’s relatives

                      You are our dear !!!
                      When was the last time you were in Odessa?
                      Take a walk along Ostrovidov St., on Slobodka ...
                      Go to the legendary Odessa courtyards.
                      I guarantee that there you will find a lot of people who disagree with the opinion of your wife’s relatives ... laughing
                      And even more than that ...
                    2. atalef
                      atalef 4 December 2013 14: 55 New
                      0
                      Quote: stalkerwalker
                      You are our dear !!! When was the last time you were in Odessa?

                      It has never been, and as you noticed, you never mentioned it in your comments (like the rest of Ukraine). I talked exclusively about Kiev (where I regularly visit), although I could also mention Simferopol (my sister’s husband and his parents go there every year. Like his sister still lives there), but I don’t mention it. I haven’t seen it myself - I won’t speak. although they say a hole is a hole.
                      Quote: stalkerwalker
                      I guarantee that there you will find a lot of people who disagree with the opinion of your wife’s relatives ...

                      Of course, I already told you this more than once. there is little unanimity in the world on any issues, so read carefully what I write - in my opinion and the opinion of the relatives of the wife living in Kiev --- right? I do not pretend to the ultimate truth
                      Quote: stalkerwalker
                      And even more than that

                      And I'm talking about, maybe I'm dear, of course, but hardly yours hi
                    3. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 4 December 2013 15: 26 New
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                      Quote: atalef
                      And I'm talking about, maybe I'm dear, of course, but hardly yours

                      Okay.
                      I will tell you straight.
                      The opinion of the relatives of the wife of a Jew living in Israel about the events in Ukraine ...
                      I. Babel resting laughing
                    4. atalef
                      atalef 4 December 2013 15: 32 New
                      0
                      .
                      I will tell you straight.
                      The opinion of the relatives of the wife of a Jew living in Israel about the events in Ukraine ...
                      I. Babel resting

                      But this is already low, apparently with this conclusion I was somewhat hasty
                      Quote: atalef
                      You, I think, are smart enough and probably an educated person.

                      Good luck in your hard work hi
                    5. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 4 December 2013 15: 46 New
                      +6
                      Quote: atalef
                      Quote: atalef
                      You, I think, are smart enough and probably an educated person.
                      Good luck in your hard work

                      Hurry is needed in a completely different place laughing
                      By the way, the word difficult is written together in this context.
                      Quote: atalef
                      I will tell you straight.
                      The opinion of the relatives of the wife of a Jew living in Israel about the events in Ukraine ...
                      I. Babel resting
                      But this is already low, apparently with this conclusion I was somewhat hasty

                      And I did not pull you by the tongue - you so stubbornly referred to your "primary source" wassat

                      Have a nice one you too...
                      hi
                    6. atalef
                      atalef 4 December 2013 19: 31 New
                      +1
                      Quote: stalkerwalker
                      By the way, the word hard is written together, in this context

                      Such is the bum. I write illiterate, in spite of my mother, a teacher of Russian and literature, some form of dyslexia. I hope I clearly express my thoughts and spelling errors do not interfere with conveying their meaning. hi
                    7. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 4 December 2013 19: 36 New
                      +5
                      Quote: atalef
                      Such is the bum. I write illiterate, in spite of my mother, a teacher of Russian and literature, some form of dyslexia

                      Here it is, the corrupting influence of the West ... laughing
                      Quote: atalef
                      I hope I clearly express my thoughts and spelling mistakes do not interfere with conveying their meaning

                      Yeah ... Guessed ...
                      hi
                    8. atalef
                      atalef 4 December 2013 19: 39 New
                      +2
                      Quote: stalkerwalker
                      Here it is, the corrupting influence of the West ...

                      I do not know . my sister - a twin - is absolutely literate - but I apparently did not succeed. Apparently nature rested a little on me - although in general dad was not a genius laughing
                    9. Asgard
                      Asgard 4 December 2013 20: 00 New
                      0
                      Sasha I read you and somehow it became sad ...
                      Watch the video and wake up the face, well, it’s geopolitics to lyada .... especially since everything is wrong))))
                      Here are the real pros about the pressing)))))

                2. Rusich51
                  Rusich51 5 December 2013 19: 14 New
                  +1
                  Quote: atalef
                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  By the way, the word hard is written together, in this context

                  Such is the bum. I write illiterate, in spite of my mother, a teacher of Russian and literature, some form of dyslexia. I hope I clearly express my thoughts and spelling errors do not interfere with conveying their meaning. hi

                  Well, this is not the most important thing for our communication, the main understanding. I think everyone will agree.
    2. Sandov
      Sandov 4 December 2013 17: 48 New
      +6
      Quote: atalef
      Explain, please . there must be a reason why Russians become Russophobes


      You will not be a Russophobe quickly fly out of work or get in the face. All clear.
    3. atalef
      atalef 4 December 2013 19: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: Sandov
      Quote: atalef Explain please. there must be a reason why Russians become Russophobes. You will not be a Russophobe quickly fly out of work or get in the face. All clear.

      And why should you not have such allies in the TS? As I don’t understand many comments, it seems that you want Ukraine - but somehow without Ukrainians. you do not feel much love for them, of course I understand the Russians live in Ukraine, but their minority (although I am sure of the bulk who are not oppressed by the Ukrainian brothers) - maybe that's why they don’t want to in the TS?
    4. alone
      alone 4 December 2013 23: 16 New
      0
      Quote: atalef
      Why should you not have such allies in the Customs Union? I don’t understand many comments, it seems that you want Ukraine - but somehow without Ukrainians


      Alexander, and you didn’t understand why? Without Ukraine, the idea of ​​the SSSR-2 loses all meaning. That's why such a reaction.
    5. Rusich51
      Rusich51 5 December 2013 19: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: atalef
      Quote: Sandov
      Quote: atalef Explain please. there must be a reason why Russians become Russophobes. You will not be a Russophobe quickly fly out of work or get in the face. All clear.

      And why should you not have such allies in the TS? As I don’t understand many comments, it seems that you want Ukraine - but somehow without Ukrainians. you do not feel much love for them, of course I understand the Russians live in Ukraine, but their minority (although I am sure of the bulk who are not oppressed by the Ukrainian brothers) - maybe that's why they don’t want to in the TS?


      Here you are wrong Malorosy is the Russian people. Ukrov has never been in nature.
      Together we will become a force, no one damn my piece of fat with blackberries then steals.
  2. IGS
    IGS 5 December 2013 06: 45 New
    +1
    Chatter is empty, children perceive how their parents raise them and no propaganda will beat the brains of normal people.
    My wife is a teacher, and I know very well and see the influence of the teacher, teacher, on the further development of the child. You are a liar and a scoundrel. Why don’t you write somewhere in Israel the same little note that is not against teaching the foundations of National Socialism, and the theory of racial Aryan frequency, and also not against being taught at school that fascism is good, and concentration camps are good , because at home you can explain to them exactly how it was. This is what you are writing now.
  • Ascetic
    Ascetic 4 December 2013 14: 43 New
    12
    Quote: atalef
    they can only be trusted by friends, acquaintances and relatives, and they alone will say that about close to the truth


    Everyone has their own truth ... These are ordinary people from Kiev, they say why they want to go to Europe ... Your friends are probably the same ... But for some reason you are keeping silent that there will be NO EU membership, even a visa-free regime for Ukraine, and is not planned .Europe is good for those who are placed at the beginning of the food chain and Ukraine in this chain is not even on the second but on the sixteenth roles, in the form of a European garbage dump where everything and scraps from the table of the "chosen ones" will be thrown in exchange by stimulating the process of consumption by the same chosen ones standing at the beginning This chain is the whole European choice of Ukraine and other Moldavia and Georgia. We, too, people are dissatisfied with the government (this was and will always be so under any government), moronic reforms, a rise in prices, a mess in housing and communal services, migrants, low salaries, thieves, officials and policemen, but for some reason no one is shouting for the European choice of Russia, For they basically understand that if Russia lives according to European laws, then this does not promise us anything good. For everything will be the same as a minimum m if not worse. If there are claims to the authorities, then this does not mean that you need to hope for a "good uncle" from behind a hillock who will give money for a freebie.nakomit.warm and shoe (the latter is for sure). Truly live with a stranger’s mind - no good







    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 4 December 2013 15: 09 New
      11
      So they want to ask a question. What prevented you from building up a society and economy like in Europe in the absence of external enemies during the 20 years of independence with not the poorest inheritance from the USSR? Instead of going to the Maidan every year and changing the next power, which in the end turns out to be no better than the previous one? The government has changed more often over the years than in Honduras. Who prevented the building of a happy life? The machinations of imperial Moscow, gas prices, imperial ambitions of the Kremlin? As Yanukovych Merkel said,I am alone against a strong Russia? So it is necessary to go under the wing of the geyrope, even as lackeys in the backyards, it will protect against damned m .. ley, Truly "iron logic" of European integration.

      1. atalef
        atalef 4 December 2013 15: 25 New
        -8
        Quote: Ascetic
        So they want to ask a question. What prevented you from building up a society and economy like in Europe in the absence of external enemies during the 20 years of independence with not the poorest inheritance from the USSR?

        the same thing that prevented Russia from doing this

        Quote: Ascetic
        Instead of going to the Maidan every year and changing the next power, which in the end is no better than the previous one?

        You are right about that. the result is the same (almost) as in Russia. Power seems to be the same - but at least people are changing. In Russia, DAM was as it was and remained
        Quote: Ascetic
        The government has changed more often over the years than in Honduras. Who prevented the building of a happy life?

        but in Russia has not changed. and more money and gas and naphtha - so who interfered?
        Quote: Ascetic
        As Yanukovych said Merkel-I am alone against a strong Russia? So it is necessary to go under the wing of the geyrope, even as lackeys in the backyards, it will protect against damned m .. ley, Truly "iron logic" of eurointegrats. Themselves are not mozhemo, but with Eyuropa "hefty rich"

        So why the hell do you want such a Janek in the TS - who then stand on? The Cossack is mishandled.
        You know - it's better with a smart to lose than with a fool to find laughing
    2. atalef
      atalef 4 December 2013 15: 11 New
      -7
      Quote: Ascetic
      ... Here are ordinary people of Kiev, they say why they want to Europe ... Your acquaintances are probably the same ... But for some reason you are SILENT that there will be no visa-free regime for Ukraine and will not be planned

      The road will be overpowered by a walker, without A there will be no B. And if everything is as you say, then for the cries from Russia - doesn’t it change?
      Quote: Ascetic
      .Europe is good for those who are placed at the beginning of the food chain and Ukraine in this chain is not even on the second but on the sixteenth roles, in the form of a European garbage dump where everything and scraps from the table of the "chosen ones" will be dumped

      So the question is, just answer. Do you see Ukraine equal to Russia in the Customs Union or is Russia even more equal?
      Quote: Ascetic
      For they understand basically that if Russia lives according to European laws, then this does not bode well for us, because everything will be the same, at least if not worse

      You know me personally all the same where Ukraine will go to the EU or the CU, but don’t say that Europe lives worse than Russia. True, if Russia enters there, it is not clear how life will turn there. But I (pay attention, I write only about my impressions) Having been in Prague in 97,98, 2001, 2005, 2006, 2011 and 2012 - I can state. that life there has only improved. although in 2001, they took a personal guide and they turned out to be the head of the protocol service at the Czechoslovak embassy in the USSR (he was personally acquainted with the entire top of the USSR and Brezhnev, including a lot of interesting things) so, their biggest fear was from entering the EU and he told all those gloomy predictions that in his opinion should come true (clueing the history of some local hero. sleeping under some kind of mountain. who must necessarily wake up (according to folk legends) and save the Czech Republic) --- so how? Prague 2012 and Czech Republic 98 - is there anything to compare? Someone regrets? Maybe some - but the bulk - only glad. I know what I'm talking about because every time I come I take a local guide. I love museums and castles-- there's nothing to be done
      Quote: Ascetic
      If there are claims to the authorities, this does not mean that you need to hope for a "good uncle" from behind a hillock who will give money for free. Truly to live with someone else's mind is not good

      And TS is not an uncle? And who is the WTO?
      And if there are claims to the authorities - it is necessary to protest and go to demonstrations - which they do. Or how do you think it should be expressed - to LIKE DEMU on Facebook to sculpt?
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 4 December 2013 15: 44 New
        +4
        On your
        Quote: atalef
        the same thing that prevented Russia from doing this

        I will answer yours
        Quote: atalef
        Walking will overpower the road, without A there will be no B.
      2. atalef
        atalef 4 December 2013 15: 46 New
        -3
        Quote: Setrac
        I will answer yours. Quote: atalef The road will be overpowered by the walking one, without A there will be no B.


        then explain to me why Ukraine should go with someone who has not yet taken this road, maybe right away with someone who is already there?
        Nobody answered me like that for all the time. Why Ukraine Russia in the vehicle - maybe you can?
      3. Setrac
        Setrac 4 December 2013 15: 54 New
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        Why Ukraine Russia in the vehicle - maybe you can?

        Access to Russian resources, and at low prices, access to the Russian market, protection against external enemies, this is not an exhaustive list of the advantages of the TS, and now tell me what the advantages of the EU are!
      4. atalef
        atalef 4 December 2013 15: 56 New
        -2
        Quote: Setrac
        Access to Russian resources, and at low prices, access to the Russian market, protection against external enemies, this is not an exhaustive list of the advantages of the TS, and now tell me what the advantages of the EU are!

        You explained to me why Russia -Ukraine, I asked for something else-why Ukraine -Russia in the CU
      5. Setrac
        Setrac 4 December 2013 16: 26 New
        +5
        Quote: atalef
        You explained to me why Russia -Ukraine, I asked for something else-why Ukraine -Russia in the CU

        There are laws of macroeconomics, I hope this item is not necessary to chew?
        There are industries that Russia needs, which remained in Ukraine during the collapse, but the role of this item is rapidly falling as Russia is in the process of substitution.
        There is a territory that was mastered and settled by Russians.
        There is such a thing as "flight time".
        Enough for a start reasons?
      6. Kars
        Kars 4 December 2013 16: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: Setrac
        There are industries that Russia needs, which remained in Ukraine during the collapse, but the role of this item is rapidly falling as Russia is in the process of substitution.

        and Ukraine’s entry into the CU will not slow down this replacement.
        Quote: Setrac
        There is a territory that was mastered and settled by Russians.

        and what does it have to do with? to the vehicle?
        Quote: Setrac
        There is such a thing as "flight time".

        WHAT? ICBMs fly across the North Pole. In Moscow and Leningrad, it’s closer to strike from the Baltic states in the south of the Russian Federation, not much further

        it looks more like the Russian Federation wants to stake a place (the CU is bordering — at least for the time being, the CU countries are not introducing new problems with Ukraine) where they can sell their goods without much competition, which are not the best and at inflated prices. CU countries for industrial and food products.
      7. Setrac
        Setrac 4 December 2013 16: 46 New
        +2
        Quote: Kars
        WHAT? ICBMs fly across the North Pole. In Moscow and Leningrad, it’s closer to strike from the Baltic states in the south of the Russian Federation, not much further

        You decided to pretend to be a fool? I did not expect, but .... I believe.
      8. Kars
        Kars 4 December 2013 16: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: Setrac
        You decided to pretend to be a fool?

        Expected: Arguments about
        Quote: Setrac
        There is such a thing as "flight time".

        Sectrack doesn't. And he doesn't even need to pretend.
  • atalef
    atalef 4 December 2013 16: 51 New
    -4
    Quote: Setrac
    There are industries that Russia needs, which remained in Ukraine during the collapse, but the role of this item is rapidly declining as Russia replaces it.

    So your previous proposal on macroeconomics loses all meaning - because you think you do not need Ukrainian industry


    Quote: Setrac
    There is a territory that was developed and settled by Russians

    What does Ts have to do with it? Armenia is a member of the CU - and there are practically no Russians there.

    Quote: Setrac
    There is such a thing as "flight time". Enough reasons to start

    Given Georgia and Moldova in the EU (someday) and the Baltic states in NATO - your statement looks ridiculous. In addition, I somehow do not see that Ukraine would be called in NATO or in a defensive alliance with Russia. Ukraine declared its neutrality and does not enter into military blocs.
    Therefore, please return to my question - Why Russia needs Ukraine in the Customs Union.
    Please in more detail.
    And what everyone should know how to get Ukraine from Russia (I hope your desire is sincere and the Russians once again want to save the Ukrainian economy at their own expense), and what Russia needs from Ukraine] --- no one knows (although I liked your pearl about flight time).
    so back to our rams --- Why Ukraine Ukraine in the TS?
  • Setrac
    Setrac 4 December 2013 17: 00 New
    0
    Quote: atalef
    What does Ts have to do with it? Armenia is a member of the CU - and there are practically no Russians there.

    recourse When did you manage?
    Quote: atalef
    although your pearl about flight time liked

    I liked it myself, I understand what is wrong, but I didn’t hold back laughing
    However, Crimea is a tidbit for NATO, and it could have turned out so that there would have been a Jewish republic of Crimea soldier
    Quote: atalef
    So your previous proposal on macroeconomics loses all meaning - because you think you do not need Ukrainian industry

    No need to misinterpret my words, firstly, the substitution still goes and is far from complete. Secondly, read the laws of macroeconomics.
  • atalef
    atalef 4 December 2013 17: 14 New
    -1
    Quote: Setrac
    When did you manage?

    In general, the day before yesterday there was an announcement - they are already on their way
    Quote: Setrac
    However, Crimea is a tidbit for NATO, and it could have turned out so that there would have been a Jewish republic of Crimea

    I already wrote about Ukraine’s neutrality, but about what could have happened, but didn’t happen (and thank God) I can write and write
    Quote: Setrac
    No need to misinterpret my words, firstly, the substitution still goes and is far from complete. Second, read the laws of macroeconomics

    And in more detail, without the message to the law of the very economy in which you understand no worse than me. So to say in their own words, for the not very advanced part of the Israeli population. can clarify? Tk. from the point of view of macroeconomics, it is hardly written somewhere that a trade union implies the benefit of only one side (judging by your comments exclusively Ukrainian - if you do not take into account the flight time laughing ) so what is the benefit of Russia. What is not ponchtnogo in question.
    The fact that Russia will sell everything to Ukraine at low prices - I understand. which will create several million additional jobs * coupe with its 25 million promised GDP) I understood the same. All that Russia can give practically for nothing (not wanting to apparently sell on a global basis) - I understood everything, but what does it want in return? Or are we playing altruism?
  • Setrac
    Setrac 4 December 2013 17: 24 New
    +2
    Quote: atalef
    In general, the day before yesterday there was an announcement - they are already on their way

    Ha, Turkey, how many years on the way to the EU!
  • atalef
    atalef 4 December 2013 17: 39 New
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    Ha, Turkey, how many years on the way to the EU

    How beautifully we move out of questions. I didn’t answer a single one
    I understand that it is difficult to admit that Russia in the CU from Ukraine wants exactly the same as the EU. Economic control and zone of influence. And in Ukraine this is understood - (and you’re ashamed to say), but apparently it’s better to lie under the EU, because in Russian - it’s beating means it loves - it’s not
    At this, I have to leave for now. because My prisoner Zion (Ukrainian wife) has a birthday today, I’ll go to wag my tail and congratulate with gifts. Good luck hi
  • stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 4 December 2013 17: 50 New
    +4
    Quote: atalef
    My prisoner Zion (Ukrainian wife) has a birthday today, I’ll go to wag my tail and congratulate with gifts. Good luck

    And good luck to you, looking after the prisoner ...
    hi
  • Setrac
    Setrac 4 December 2013 17: 52 New
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    Good luck

    And you don’t get sick.
  • Vasek
    Vasek 4 December 2013 20: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    to congratulate with gifts

    laughing But you say, I’ve never been to Odessa laughing
  • Sandov
    Sandov 4 December 2013 18: 20 New
    +4
    Quote: atalef
    You explained to me why Russia -Ukraine, I asked for something else-why Ukraine -Russia in the CU


    Little Russia is our people. We must not allow gringos to use it in all the cracks. It is now clear.
  • atalef
    atalef 4 December 2013 19: 48 New
    -3
    Quote: Sandov
    Little Russia is our people. We must not allow gringos to use it in all the cracks. It is now clear.

    Ie - this is our cow and we milk it. Short and clear
  • Sandov
    Sandov 6 December 2013 12: 08 New
    0
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: Sandov
    Little Russia is our people. We must not allow gringos to use it in all the cracks. It is now clear.

    Ie - this is our cow and we milk it. Short and clear


    Didn’t understand anything again? Well, your diasporas around the world are helping their own. Someone throw a little jar, someone a factory, someone an oil rig. Etc.
    And we just want to survive in this world.
  • Rattenfanger
    Rattenfanger 4 December 2013 21: 12 New
    +5
    Lei commercials seven years ago, I would completely subscribe to your words. And now I think differently.
    Yes, the vast majority of Russians have Ukrainians in their relatives and, accordingly, vice versa.
    Yes, we are in fact part of one ethnos. In any case, we were at the beginning of the 20th century.
    Yes, in Ukraine, production capacities initially constituted, together with Russian, a single infrastructure.
    But you can look at it from the other side:
    -they are not capable of forward movement. Without the USSR's debts, having inherited a lot of "nishtyaks" in the form of industrial capacities and scientific and technical potential, what have they achieved, except for confident degradation? Anticipating the cries of a certain category of citizens about Russian oil / gas, I will say in advance: go through the forest. I live in Kuzbass, where there was no oil and gas, and the region is a donor. And there are many such examples. I will not remind you of the debts paid for everyone.
    - the unmotivated, bestial hatred of the eastern neighbors suggests that the Senegalese coyote is their brother, not the Russians. There are a lot of examples: from the classic "damn they ate all the fat" and the participation of volunteer trash in the Chechen wars to today's events. "He who does not jump is the mos_cal." You call this herd of Banderlog brothers? What have we shit in their souls with now? By those who said "if you want to go to Geyrop, live at your own expense"?
    I really want them to go to the EU. And they grabbed the shit with a full spoon, since they are so striving for this. And only then is it worth thinking whether we need the former Outskirts. Otherwise, everything will be repeated anew - "the mos_kali are to blame for everything."
  • Luna
    Luna 4 December 2013 21: 48 New
    +1
    atalef (3) IL Today, 15: 56 ↑ New

    You explained to me why Russia -Ukraine, I asked for something else-why Ukraine -Russia in the CU

    Why does Israel need the Golan Heights and the west bank of the Jordan River? It’s not even your cow.
  • atalef
    atalef 4 December 2013 21: 58 New
    -1
    Quote: Luna
    atalef (3) IL Today, 15: 56 ↑ New

    You explained to me why Russia -Ukraine, I asked for something else-why Ukraine -Russia in the CU

    Why does Israel need the Golan Heights and the west bank of the Jordan River? It’s not even your cow.

    Exactly then - why the Kaliningrad region and the Kuril Islands. And what are you going to fight with Ukraine? Or Ukraine attacked Russia?
  • fisherman
    fisherman 4 December 2013 15: 16 New
    +1
    we just go back to the media again, I’ve cooked up 10 stories for any of you


    why so

    this is also true, or, if you like, part of the truth, or part of the truth

    "... and Objectivity crumbled into millions and billions of living subjectivities ..."

    "Always ask the people for the truth"
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  • Sandov
    Sandov 4 December 2013 17: 46 New
    +4
    Ascetic buddy you can not convince atalef. He is imprisoned under the discord of the Slavs.
    1. atalef
      atalef 4 December 2013 21: 39 New
      -1
      Quote: Sandov
      Ascetic buddy you can not convince atalef. He is imprisoned under the discord of the Slavs.

      What a stupid thing. there are 9 things, although not many) where I agree with Ascetic. And to ruin the Slavs --- what a nonsense. In general, I am for peace in the whole world and among Slavs in particular. My separate family has both Ukrainian and Russian citizens. laughing
      You yourself slander any Slavs - follow your comments. Already Ukrainians have not been awarded any epithets.
  • rolik2
    rolik2 4 December 2013 14: 43 New
    +2
    Quote: Ascetic
    I see OWN EYES

    I also watch the news in the morning, first the Russian channels then the Ukrainian ones, and also IN MY OWN EYES I see several versions of these events, one Russian, and a couple of Ukrainian ones.
    And you know why they are completely different from each other, do not know why? And which eye to believe that?
    The Russian media broadcast about hundreds of people who came out to protest, Ukrainian about tens of thousands, WHO to believe? After all, I saw it with my own eyes on TV? I go on the Internet to the online webcams of Maidan, European Square and see another picture where there are more people than in Russian news and less than in Ukrainian.
    That is, reading, listening, seeing Russian news, you can safely double everything, and divide the Ukrainian into two, or even three.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 4 December 2013 15: 51 New
      +8
      Yes, they are no different. All the same technologies. Logistics, organization, The same structure of "fives", You can see in the crowd a person with a notebook or a piece of paper in his hand who is the senior and notes and periodically makes roll calls. Fans, like in Moscow, have senior officers with an iPhone or mobile phone on speakerphone, there are “pioneer ringleaders” and fighters wearing masks or hiding their faces with scarves can also be seen.
      The social network Vkontakte and Facebook are actively looking for participants for the rallies to be held in Kiev today.
      They offer different payments: from 150 hryvnias in six hours to 70 hryvnias in four hours.
      The "Observer" contacted one of the numbers listed in the announcements. They refused to answer us what kind of rally the crowd was going to attend. Also, they promised an additional fee for bringing a dozen friends.

      link

      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 4 December 2013 16: 06 New
        10
        Here are the announcements from the social network VKontakte

        Maxim Dolomansky
        We need people for the daily extras 5.12.13/XNUMX/XNUMX!
        Duration 9 hours
        From 9 to 18
        Payment 175 hryvnia. Tea, coffee, tents for heating. Call Recording 0935964054
        link

        Vlad Tokarev
        Work for tomorrow 01.12.13/XNUMX/XNUMX Kiev
        extras only guys pay 150 UAH from 11:00 to 16:00
        collection at 8:30 a.m. m Arsenalnaya

        Yuri Mezentsev
        FLASHMOB DECEMBER 4 (WEDNESDAY). PAYMENT 200 UAH.
        We invite ALL 15 - 65 years old ASSY up to 7.45 p.m. Arsenal (on the left side).
        PAYMENT (work until 20:00 = 200 UAH).

        NEED 200 people! Calculation immediately after the flash mob.

        The network is massively looking for new protesters who are ready to join Euromaidan on any conditions. At the same time, there is a set of “aunts” for its dispersal.
        Ukrainians continue to gather adherents of European integration in every possible way. So on Slando you can find reports on the provision of free legal aid and overnight for Euromaidan participants. Thus, in one of the ads, the author is looking for “calm and balanced athletic guys.” They will have to work at the rally on 2.12.13/12/45, and the gathering place near the Arsenalnaya metro station is at 200:XNUMX. The work of "athletes" is estimated at XNUMX hryvnia.
        link

        Vitalik Boyko
        Only guys !!!
        RALLY !!! RALLY !!!
        December 2, 2013. (Monday)
        Need young people from 17 to 35 years old.
        Zbor at 08-00 in the morning
        Event: from 09:00 to 17:00.
        Payment: 150 UAH
  • AlexxxNik
    AlexxxNik 4 December 2013 14: 59 New
    +9
    do not break your spears in vain, a man of Israeli appearance, it is clear that his circle of friends is appropriate, so this is just the opinion of a certain group of people. what is their percentage in the Ukrainian population? As for the opinions of Ukrainian gastro-beaters, with whom I have to deal at work, both the narrow-minded and quite sane envy Russia that she has Putin, and our fans of the "new newspaper" unsuccessfully persuade them. here's another example.
  • Xroft
    Xroft 4 December 2013 22: 21 New
    0
    Thanks for the great examples.
  • askort154
    askort154 4 December 2013 13: 47 New
    +7
    atalef ... Or maybe you really don’t know? Why do you (having information exclusively from the media) think that you know the situation better than those who live there? Or do you think they paid the same?

    Intriguer, where are you from: Israel, or Odessa, or Kiev? Where do you get the "true info"? Share frankly with the unenlightened. Maybe then we will believe. Or how? ... Weak ?!
    1. atalef
      atalef 4 December 2013 14: 26 New
      -2
      Quote: askort154
      Schemer

      What pathos are you talking about?
      Quote: askort154
      From Israel

      In my opinion it’s clear and never hid it

      Quote: askort154
      Share frankly with the unenlightened. Maybe then we will believe. Or how? ... Weak ?!

      Can you read? Follow the comments, or should I write ten times?
  • illarion
    illarion 4 December 2013 13: 48 New
    +2
    Well, you briefly tell us, and we will listen. Only, please, briefly. What do you want to receive, what will you receive, what problems and solutions? The main thing is, who will pay for the banquet?
  • Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 4 December 2013 14: 02 New
    +4
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    And both, in one voice, immediately, instead of greeting, began to convince me that I and all Russians really do not know ANYTHING about the events in Kiev and Ukraine as a whole. It seems that the factor of Kissel and Shustrika played its negative role.

    Or maybe you really do not know? Why do you (who have information only from the media) think that you know the situation better than living there? Or do you think they paid the same price?


    No, they didn't pay. Read "Confessions of a Russian Orangeman"
    1. atalef
      atalef 4 December 2013 14: 29 New
      -2
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      No, they didn't pay. Read "Confessions of a Russian Orangeman

      You probably really can't read?
      Are you a Russian orange man? Your friend Friend ? A relative
      So on what basis should I believe
      I (if you read me carefully) write only one thing. You can’t believe the media - neither one nor the other. You can only friends, relatives and acquaintances - living there. Everything is clear in my explanation.
  • Don
    Don 4 December 2013 14: 24 New
    +4
    Quote: atalef
    Or maybe you really do not know? Why do you (who have information only from the media) think that you know the situation better than living there? Or do you think they paid the same price?

    And on this site, that few Ukrainians and citizens of Ukraine? Or Ukrainians on this site a little cover events in Ukraine? But what exactly do the citizens of the Russian Federation do not know? What exactly?
    1. atalef
      atalef 4 December 2013 14: 31 New
      0
      Quote: Don
      And on this site, that few Ukrainians and citizens of Ukraine? Or Ukrainians on this site a little cover events in Ukraine? But what exactly do the citizens of the Russian Federation do not know? What exactly

      So I say - enough. but for some reason few people believe them. And the complaints. they should be listened to, not the media
  • In the book
    In the book 4 December 2013 12: 04 New
    -6
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    And both, with one voice, on the move, instead of greeting, began to convince me that I and all the Russians did not really know ANYTHING about the events in Kiev and Ukraine as a whole.

    And you did not think about the fact that maybe they are right?
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 4 December 2013 12: 18 New
      13
      Quote: Libr
      And you did not think about the fact that maybe they are right?

      I thought about it.
      As well as why instead of greeting they rub you without delay bias of the Russian media.
      I will explain if anyone did not understand.
      You come to visit old acquaintances, friends with whom you have not seen or communicated for a long time. And to you, from the doorway - "Breshut your media! Everything is fine with us !!! And if we join the EU, we will live even better !!!"
      1. atalef
        atalef 4 December 2013 12: 37 New
        -8
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        You come to visit old acquaintances, friends with whom you have not seen or communicated for a long time. And to you, from the doorway - "Breshut your media! Everything is fine with us !!! And if we join the EU, we will live even better !!!"

        And if they think so?
        Or a word, Hello - not spoken by them (or maybe you have not heard) - immediately turns what they said into a lie?
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 4 December 2013 12: 47 New
          +7
          Quote: atalef
          Or a word, Hello - not spoken by them (or maybe you have not heard) - immediately turns what they said into a lie?

          All information must be supported by facts.
          Interpretation of facts is a serious matter.
          In your interpretation - comments to my comments, I see a hidden message, like "Don't be smart." Not this way?
          1. atalef
            atalef 4 December 2013 13: 09 New
            -1
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            In your interpretation - comments to my comments, I see a hidden message, like "Don't be smart." Not this way?

            Well, drag another Jewish conspiracy.
            My message is - do not believe what you see on TV because this is not always true. And clever or not - what's the point? You, I think, are a smart enough and probably well-educated person, just your opinion does not coincide with mine, which neither makes you bad or good, smart or stupid. but just a person with a different opinion. All hi
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 4 December 2013 13: 11 New
              +3
              Quote: atalef
              And clever or not - what's the point? You, I think, are smart enough and probably an educated person.

              Thanks for the compliment.
              Quote: atalef
              it’s just that your opinion does not coincide with mine, which neither makes you bad

              I noticed.
              Thank you.
              hi
            2. askort154
              askort154 4 December 2013 14: 27 New
              +6
              atalef ... You are neither bad nor good, neither smart nor stupid. but just a person with a different opinion. All.

              I have never met stupid Jews in my life. But their "non-intrusive" presence in the history of Russia (and not only), carrying the "spark of revolutions" with it, has already begun to get. .In the genes - the buyer,
              a jeweler, a banker, a "revolutionary politician" who implants his ideas through art and culture in the desired country. That is why outcasts change their names and surnames for local nations, like chameleons. Sorry for the harshness. I am not a nationalist, just a statement of historical facts and personal conclusions for life (not virtual).
              1. atalef
                atalef 4 December 2013 14: 41 New
                0
                Quote: askort154
                In life, you have never met stupid Jews

                You are lucky, I had to

                Quote: askort154
                .But their "non-obtrusive" presence in the history of Russia (and not only), which carries the "spark of revolutions", has already begun to reach.

                You can’t throw words out of a song, Jews are part of Russian history, like Tatars. peoples of the Caucasus, etc. Whether you like it or not, And the fact that you were more active than others - so probably because even you did not meet - you yourself wrote
                Quote: askort154
                .In the genes - a buyer

                Strange, I'm an electrician, my wife is an electronic engineer (sorry forgot - she's Ukrainian)
                Quote: askort154
                Therefore, outcasts, changing their names and surnames to local nations, like chameleons

                Do you mean Stalin or Sverdlov?
                or Vera Brezhneva - Glushko really became worse from this or is it better to sing?
              2. askort154
                askort154 4 December 2013 15: 28 New
                +3
                atalef .... You can't throw words out of a song, Jews are part of Russian history,

                Yeah. You can’t argue with that.

                .... then you mean Stalin or Sverdlov?
                or Vera Brezhneva - Glushko really became worse from this or was it better to sing? ...

                You will probably be "surprised" why the revolution in Russia in 1917. was called among the people "the Jewish revolution?" I will not list the true names of the "revolutionaries", this is almost their entire list by 95%. If you wish, you can easily find this information yourself. As for Vera Brezhneva-Glushko, your skepticism is avoiding a serious answer. I will not distract the "electrician" by empty discussion, exposing
                Power of Israel, electro-energy security. I wish you not to confuse the phase with zero.
              3. atalef
                atalef 4 December 2013 21: 46 New
                +1
                Quote: askort154
                You will probably be "surprised" why the revolution in Russia in 1917. was called among the people "the Jewish revolution?" I will not list the true names of the "revolutionaries", this is almost their entire list by 95%.

                You already sort things out among themselves, but I will stand aside. Is revolution a bad thing or a good thing? The consequences of the revolution - the formation of the USSR - is it bad or good?
                Then we determine the contribution of 95% of Jews to this is good or bad
                I think so - that the revolution is bad, the communists are the same. I probably do not enter into these 95%.
  • In the book
    In the book 4 December 2013 13: 10 New
    -2
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    As well as about why, instead of greetings, the Russian media are biased without delay.

    So you think that your friends are "rubbing in" to you, just as your friends think about your media.
    But what if it is?
    Your media is doing everything possible to present ordinary Ukrainians as zombie, greedy, dumb individuals, Bendera, stealing gas from you and striving to get for free to gays in Europe.
    Understand that the aspiration of the protesters to Europe means a desire to live with dignity, in a state respecting human rights, and not like in today's Ukraine, where the president himself knows what to do in his youth, his son is a successful businessman: from dentists to billionaires in two years, where people die in the police where police are rapists and murderers (google "Vradievka"), where judges are thieves, where prosecutors are businessmen. There is no money in the country, but at the same time billions go to offshores, laws are being adopted that allow large businesses to evade taxation, and small businesses have already been crushed by taxes and fines.

    You still don’t understand that the Russian media act in exactly the same way as the US media criticized by Russia?
    The teachers are alone. smile
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 4 December 2013 13: 26 New
      +4
      Quote: Libr
      The teachers are alone

      Yes, do not cry so much.
      To teach a scientist is only to spoil.
      Quote: Libr
      So you think that your friends are "rubbing in" to you, just as your friends think about your media.
      But what if it is?

      EACH OF US has the right to HIS point of view.
      I do not criticize anyone. I state only the facts.
      AND.
      No offense.
      I believe that Ukraine, in its current state of affairs, resembles a poor passenger who bought a ticket to an old and broken reserved seat, but very much wants to go to NE. And no matter where.
      1. In the book
        In the book 4 December 2013 13: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        Yes, do not cry so much.

        Where did you see my tears, dear smile
        In what I described what is really going on in my country? This is a statement of fact.
        And if
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        EACH OF US has the right to HIS point of view.
        I do not criticize anyone. I state only the facts.

        I would rephrase your phrase:
        "I think that LEADERSHIP of Ukraine, with its current state of affairs, it resembles a beggar passenger who bought a ticket to an old and broken reserved seat, but very much wants to go to SV. It doesn't matter where. "
        Separate flies from cutlets, parasites on the body of the people and the people themselves.
        The people, part of which chose these parasites.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 4 December 2013 13: 46 New
          +6
          Quote: Libr
          Separate flies from cutlets, parasites on the body of the people and the people themselves.

          I try ...
          Quote: Libr
          The people, part of which chose these parasites.

          And what was a special choice?

          Guys! You have a permanent mess going on over the past 20 years.
          Admit - NEVER Zapadentsy and Oriental WILL THINK ONE.
          And there is no way out - you do not need a strong and tough power.
          Therefore, the fights in the Rada, and the glorification of UNA-UNSO, and the legitimization of the "Holodomor" - all this led to the current situation. Because there is NO POWER in Ukraine.
          1. In the book
            In the book 4 December 2013 14: 11 New
            0
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            And what was a special choice?

            Why "special", there is always a choice.

            Quote: stalkerwalker
            strong and tough power you do not need.

            This is not needed, we need smart and fair.

            Quote: stalkerwalker
            AUTHORITIES IN UKRAINE NO

            see above

            Quote: stalkerwalker
            legitimization of the "Holodomor"

            And what was this said to?
          2. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 4 December 2013 14: 30 New
            +6
            Quote: Libr
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            strong and tough power you do not need.
            This is not needed, we need smart and fair.

            So where is she? Why didn’t this happen in 20 years?
            Quote: Libr
            legitimization of the "Holodomor"
            And what was this said to?

            To the fact that rewriting the history of "one people", tearing him (the people) and her (history) out of the context of the past, this people drove themselves "into a corner."
            This angle is called Maidan.
            And to bring out of this angle this people can only be strong power. Hard power. But the people DO NOT NEED such power.
            "... a bast hangs on a stake ...".
          3. In the book
            In the book 4 December 2013 14: 43 New
            0
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            So where is she? Why didn’t this happen in 20 years?

            Because there is no one to choose from, and in more than 20 years, when one communist replaced another, then a third came, missed all the hopes of the people, then the fourth came - the leader of the organized criminal group, the people of Ukraine simply lost faith in what could influence on the fate of your country. The main culprit in this is Yushchenko, he had tremendous opportunities to raise the country's economy, to unite the people with the idea of ​​economic prosperity, but "it" stupidly surrendered the country to Bandyukovich.
            It’s still a surprise to me that the people were able to gather on the Maidan after 2004, when their hopes were so deceived.
          4. fisherman
            fisherman 4 December 2013 15: 36 New
            +2
            The main culprit in this is Yushchenko, he had tremendous opportunities to boost the country's economy, unite the people with the idea of ​​economic prosperity,


            perfectly

            the last few words have formed a surprisingly familiar phrase ... from the beginning of the 90s :)

            So: evil has been found, the reasons are clear, the direction has been voiced, the question is: what prevents them from moving at last to the "bright distances of earthly paradise"?
          5. In the book
            In the book 4 December 2013 16: 24 New
            +2
            Quote: fisherman
            what prevents them from moving at last to the "bright distances of earthly paradise"?

            Никто.
            I made a conclusion for myself long ago: if you want to live normally, work, create an "earthly paradise" around you, for yourself, for relatives, for friends. Do not be a creep to your neighbor, help your neighbors to the best of your ability. This is how I act (like many of my friends and acquaintances)
          6. fisherman
            fisherman 4 December 2013 16: 54 New
            +1
            So I act


            support

            earthly paradise is built from below, and not through the change of kings
    2. In the book
      In the book 4 December 2013 14: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: stalkerwalker
      To the fact that rewriting the history of "one people", tearing him (the people) and her (history) out of the context of the past


      Not rewriting, but supplementing. Famine in Ukraine is the same story as famine in the Volga region and other parts of the USSR.
      And I do not need to write in response that Russia is accused of starvation, guilty of starvation - the regime that was in the country at that time, a regime without nationalities, without Russians, without Ukrainians, without Jews.
    3. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 4 December 2013 15: 03 New
      +4
      Quote: Libr
      Not rewriting, but supplementing. Famine in Ukraine is the same story as famine in the Volga region and other parts of the USSR.

      In my PERSONAL opinion, the legitimization of the Holodomor was the rationale for the introduction of "new" local holidays in Ukraine in honor of the anti-heroes of UNA-UNSO. And all this, taken together, fit well into the continuation and aggravation of the topic raised by one unfortunate hack (pross ... shem Maidan # 1) that Ukrainians and Russians are different peoples. Then they "found" the proto-ukrov. And that's all. Since those Holodomorov times, we have been BREAKED - both directly and indirectly. De facto and de jure.
      You, my dear Ukrainians, have introduced someone else's memory with someone else's history.
      And now, on the next Maidan, there is a consolidation of this memory and history. Through the hysteria in the media, through the pogroms of the hero city of Kiev, through the creation of the image of the terrible oligarchic, the essence of the criminal and through and through the corrupt, eastern NEIGHBOR. But not fraternal Slavic, the essence of a single people.
      Zombie crowd on the Maidan - a mass theatrical interpretation of the film "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest".
    4. In the book
      In the book 4 December 2013 16: 51 New
      0
      1. And where is UNA-UNSO before the Holodomor? Again you are about the same.
      2. The fact that someone believes that:
      Quote: stalkerwalker
      Ukrainians and Russians are different nations

      this is his problems. If you want to know my opinion, I will say this:
      Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians are fraternal peoples, but their mentality is different
      3. Proto-ukras - of course, an interesting idea lol . Every nation wants to show everyone that it is the oldest.
      4.
      Quote: stalkerwalker
      through the pogroms of the hero city of Kiev
      Pogroms? Listen less than Putin
      5.
      Quote: stalkerwalker
      Zombie crowd on the Maidan - a mass theatrical interpretation of the film "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest".

      Well, if you cite this wonderful movie as an example, then you must remember that there the hero Jack Nicholson rebelled against the policy of the hospital doctor, and not at all as you try to imagine it.
    5. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 4 December 2013 16: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: Libr
      Quote: stalkerwalker
      through the pogroms of the hero city Kiev Pogroms? Listen less than Putin

      I am begging you...
      Crime in Kiev went to the Maidan - "Maidanut". Where is the Ukrainian police now?
      The seizure of state institutions is Ukrainian folk fun.
      Beating and causing injuries to both opposing sides of the security forces and maydanutyh is a post-production show for the 1 + 1 channel.
      In the city of Kiev - anti-government protests.
      And what do you call all of the above? Flash mob? Children's matinee in the fresh air?
    6. In the book
      In the book 4 December 2013 17: 59 New
      +1
      1. According to the statistics of the events of 2004, street crime during the Maidan in Kiev was minimal.
      2. The seizure of state institutions - you mean the Kiev administration - so it’s a public institution, and the provocateurs and stupid people were breaking glass there (well, how could it be without them)
      3. the infliction of injuries on the employees of the Internal Troops and the Berkut, firstly, provocateurs of Korchinsky threw stones at them, I already wrote about this in a note about the Ukrainian Berkut; secondly, the order was given to put as many of the allegedly injured employees as possible in the hospital the day before yesterday, the number 91, by the evening - about 200, and this despite the fact that there were no "military" actions on December 3.
      Quote: stalkerwalker
      And what do you call all of the above? Flash mob? Children's matinee in the fresh air?

      This should be called a popular response to the anti-people policy of the country's leadership.
  • stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 4 December 2013 17: 07 New
    +4
    Quote: Libr
    And here is the UNA-UNSO to the Holodomor? Again you are about the same.

    I’ll try on the other hand - the introduction of ARTIFICIAL CELEBRATIONS, along with the appearance of FALSE HEROES, is nothing but the creation of ARTIFICIAL HISTORY. Fake, in the case of Ukraine.
    Further it is easier.
    We are not slaves (among Russian oligarchs),
    slaves - not us (Russians at Russian oligarchs)

    For the sweet.
    Everyone curses the president (thief and criminal) - so why on the Maidan today they do not demand his resignation? The answer is that the team has not yet been given.
    And how not ashamed to fight in hysteria for those who elected Janek president?
  • In the book
    In the book 4 December 2013 18: 04 New
    0
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    Everyone curses the president (thief and criminal) - so why on the Maidan today they do not demand his resignation?

    If you closely monitor events, then one of the requirements:
    early presidential elections

    Quote: stalkerwalker
    And how not ashamed to fight in hysteria for those who elected Janek president?

    laughing those who chose him, who are ashamed of it, are now just silent, the rest are campaigning for him.
    For example, I’m ashamed that in 2005 I voted for Yushchenko, but I’m not fighting in hysteria about this. Mistaken in the choice, Yushchenko was not the one who deserves the trust of many people. Well, sincerely sorry, and time lost is a pity. But we must go forward, draw conclusions from this.
  • Cristall
    Cristall 5 December 2013 01: 43 New
    0
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    Guys! You have a permanent mess going on over the past 20 years.

    agree
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    Admit - NEVER Zapadentsy and Oriental WILL THINK ONE.

    Wrong. We think about the same thing (a strong republic) just different ways due to the proximity of the borders of "examples"
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    And there is no way out - you do not need a strong and tough power.

    It’s necessary, and so that it doesn’t clatter with the Western part ..
  • Grossfater
    Grossfater 5 December 2013 00: 23 New
    0
    [quote = Libr] [quote = stalkerwalkerК] where the president is self-aware of his youth, his son is a successful businessman: from dentists to billionaires in two years, [/ quote]
    I don’t understand, and then what about Europe, what will the prosecutors write out for the new priest ...?
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 4 December 2013 12: 42 New
    +5
    Thinking about it. The only question is - why do we need to know who betrayed whom and who beat whom? We know the external parameters - the situation in Ukraine’s industry, in general its economy, growth prospects, and the current level. Based on purely external data, prospects are clearly visible.
    We, in general, absolutely do not care who you have, whom, what and in what place. Have fun, since you are so much more fun instead of a normal life. We will take away the eastern regions, definitely. And, by the way, then we will also not understand who is who. We are who we need. This is completely enough. Until - continue dancing on your own bones ...
    1. In the book
      In the book 4 December 2013 13: 24 New
      -1
      Quote: Mikhail3
      We will take away the eastern regions, definitely


      Well, well, try No. .
      I do not think that your statements, and even more so your actions, will bring something useful to Ukrainian-Russian relations.
      1. fisherman
        fisherman 4 December 2013 15: 41 New
        +1
        Well, well, try it.
        I do not think that your statements, and even more so your actions, will bring something useful to Ukrainian-Russian relations.


        that's for sure, a lot depends on words too

        but it’s possible that this event will happen upon

        and then "we will not take it", but it is imperative that "they bring it themselves and persuade to take it for a long time"

        a lot also depends on words, as you can see :)
  • Setrac
    Setrac 4 December 2013 13: 17 New
    +2
    Quote: Libr
    And you did not think about the fact that maybe they are right?

    These two Ukrainians discovered Newton’s bin. They did not say anything new, but with all their propaganda, the Russian media are less false than the Western ones.
    1. In the book
      In the book 4 December 2013 13: 25 New
      0
      That yes, it would not be logical if you said the opposite.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 4 December 2013 13: 33 New
        +1
        Quote: Libr
        That yes, it would not be logical if you said the opposite.

        How else? They in the West know how to lie better, more impudently.
    2. atalef
      atalef 4 December 2013 13: 32 New
      0
      Quote: Setrac
      Quote: Libr
      And you did not think about the fact that maybe they are right?

      These two Ukrainians discovered Newton’s bin. They did not say anything new, but with all their propaganda, the Russian media are less false than the Western ones.

      The last thing I liked most of all, YOU HAVE both LANGUAGE, so that to judge like that - less or more, half-truth is generally worse than a lie,
    3. atalef
      atalef 4 December 2013 13: 32 New
      0
      Quote: Setrac
      Quote: Libr
      And you did not think about the fact that maybe they are right?

      These two Ukrainians discovered Newton’s bin. They did not say anything new, but with all their propaganda, the Russian media are less false than the Western ones.

      The last thing I liked most of all, YOU HAVE both LANGUAGE, so that to judge like that - less or more, half-truth is generally worse than a lie,
  • alexdol
    alexdol 4 December 2013 22: 24 New
    +2
    stalkerwalker (1) RU "It didn't reach them for 20 years, but you want to read it?"

    Well, I really don't know what to say here? Here I live in Kharkov. I will be 62 soon, my wife is the same. Our child is late, he is now 22 years old. In our family, no one stands for "European integration"! As far as I know, my son's friends are not for her either! Among my acquaintances, too, erointegrators seem not to be observed. At work - all AGAINST! Of course, this is a small sample, but still ... And even I would not undertake to read all 900 pages of this agreement. And there is absolutely no reason to read it for thinking people!
  • arnulla
    arnulla 4 December 2013 15: 26 New
    +1
    There seems to be under 900 (nine hundred) pages. It is unlikely that any of the inhabitants will read to the end. Yes, and ponder over what they read ...
  • Cherdak
    Cherdak 4 December 2013 23: 21 New
    0
    Quote: Canep
    this association agreement must be published in full



    Yes there is, it is laid out even in 3 languages

    http://euroua.com/association/index.html

    only it needs to be published in the form of comics, so that the bulk of it reaches. And then there are such pearls: "deepening political association and fostering convergence in security and efficiency policies"which is easier to fall asleep than to understand.
  • dmitrich
    dmitrich 4 December 2013 12: 46 New
    +1
    around betrayal.
  • smart ass
    smart ass 4 December 2013 09: 30 New
    10
    Theater of the Absurd
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 4 December 2013 09: 34 New
      26
      Quote: ...
      The movement in Ukraine seems to be calming down.


      The end of the year, Klitschko probably went to Germany at the place of residence to pay taxes.



      1. Stiletto
        Stiletto 4 December 2013 10: 53 New
        +6
        Quote: Vadivak
        The end of the year, Klitschko probably went to Germany at the place of residence to pay taxes.


        Well, yes, taxes ... The guy went for a fee to the European Union.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 4 December 2013 11: 34 New
          +5
          Quote: Stiletto
          Well, yes, taxes ... The guy went for a fee to the European Union.


          The guy has a residence permit there. He himself confirmed that in Germany he bought a house, pays taxes there, both from battles and from the revenues of his own business structure. So the German trace in the history of Ukraine will be left not only by police dad Yushchenko
        2. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 4 December 2013 14: 27 New
          +3
          His fee will be that not much will be taken away from him. This is how it is arranged in Europe, there is a big and respected business there - to shake up to black hair foreign guys who come there "in a quiet place". There, like, law and order. There was a fighter, and now - jump and shout what they say. Otherwise they will strip them down to their underpants. Before boxing ...
    2. fisherman
      fisherman 4 December 2013 15: 44 New
      +1
      Yeah

      "not a country, but an anecdote"
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 4 December 2013 09: 30 New
    31
    From the conversation with one of the rally participants:
    - What are the advantages of this association?
    - These are prospects for Ukraine, and, first of all, for young people.
    - What is the prospect?
    - Ability to go abroad to see.
    - So no one cancels the visa.
    - How not to cancel? How do you know? The agreement says.
    - Do not say.
    - It is said.
    - You have not read?
    - Was reading.

    The most important question, in my opinion, was forgotten by you, do you want to do it? I think the answer is obvious
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 4 December 2013 09: 36 New
      +5
      Quote: avant-garde
      The most important question, in my opinion, was forgotten by you, do you want to do it?

      He would answer no laughing
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 4 December 2013 09: 41 New
        13
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        He would answer no


        Sasha hello. He already answered everything already - I didn’t read or see, but I want ... they just want freebies.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 4 December 2013 09: 46 New
          13
          Quote: Vadivak
          ... they just want freebies.

          And so it’s 23 years already, time is running out and nothing is changing in my head. I don’t understand one thing how can this abolition help visa cancellation if he has ZERO in his pockets request If there is money, then there is no problem traveling around the world, and if there is none, it does not matter at all.
          Hi Vadim hi
          1. Canep
            Canep 4 December 2013 10: 04 New
            +5
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I don’t understand one thing, how can this visa-denied person help with the abolition of visas if ZERO in his pockets
            Greetings to Alexander! I think this would not answer would say that he would hitchhike in Europe. What is he going to study there? They have sky-high prices for university education. About 5000-10000 euros per year. In Cambridge, 12000 pounds per year, only tuition and the same amount for accommodation and more. In Kazakhstan, education is 10 times cheaper.
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          2. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 4 December 2013 11: 20 New
            +8
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I don’t understand one thing, how can this visa-denied person help with the abolition of visas if ZERO in his pockets

            On horseradish goat button accordion? They gave him 100 hryvnias, instructed him - he is happy!
      2. aksakal
        aksakal 4 December 2013 09: 42 New
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        He would answer no

        - while managing to remain so laughing laughing
      3. askort154
        askort154 4 December 2013 10: 51 New
        +1
        Alexander Romanov .. The most important question in my opinion you forgot to ask you d.e.i.l. ???
        He would answer no

        Rather - I don't know what you're torturing me with.
      4. fisherman
        fisherman 4 December 2013 15: 49 New
        +1
        The most important question, in my opinion, was forgotten by you, do you want to do it?


        or that :

        - These are the prospects for Ukraine, and, first of all, for youth


        because the parrot
        1. densh
          densh 4 December 2013 21: 04 New
          +1
          You are mistaken, there are not parrots but laughing Hamsters.
      5. alex-s
        alex-s 4 December 2013 16: 32 New
        +1
        He would answer: no, he didn’t beat! what
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 4 December 2013 10: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: avant-garde
      The most important question, in my opinion, was forgotten by you, do you want to do it? I think the answer is obvious

      Dentists are now expensive. lol
    3. slvevg
      slvevg 4 December 2013 11: 18 New
      +6
      So no one cancels a visa.
      - How not to cancel? How do you know? The agreement says.
      - Do not say.
      - It is said.
      - You have not read?
      - Was reading.

      And this is true, the youth, before entering the city square, are first brainwashed in the classrooms, but about the minuses of the association it’s silent!
  • FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 4 December 2013 09: 31 New
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    Where are the Russian media powers, where is our propaganda, why does this zombie boy learn simple truths only from interviews
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 4 December 2013 09: 36 New
      +4
      Quote: FC Skif
      why does this zombie boy learn simple truths only from interviews

      And what did he learn from the interview? He replied that he read laughing
    2. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 4 December 2013 11: 23 New
      +5
      Quote: FC Skif
      Where are the Russian media powers, where is our propaganda, why does this zombie boy learn simple truths only from interviews

      It seems to me that Shustrik played the role of the offended in Russia, and also warned the right hulks that believing the Russian media is like death. And he demonstrated for clarity the "tortured to death" Kisel Sr.
  • Eugeniy_369
    Eugeniy_369 4 December 2013 09: 33 New
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    I am not a citizen of Ukraine, I will express my opinion as a citizen of Russia. My opinion is all this hype around European integration is artificially raised, and all situevina in Kiev looks more like a seizure of power.
    PS The attempt to storm the AP shocked, especially the bulldozer impressed. But apparently there are sane ones (who did not allow conscripts to beat).
  • makarov
    makarov 4 December 2013 09: 33 New
    12
    Everything can be formulated much more concisely and succinctly: - The country is completely goosy and poop, saviors of DARKness, everyone swears love for the Motherland and the People, only each has its own Motherland .... and the People, so ... between words, for combinations and bindings
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 4 December 2013 09: 34 New
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    - What is the prospect?
    - An opportunity to go abroad, to see .... fool
    After all, pay attention, no one plunges into these draft agreements, no one sees anything and no one hears anything, "Putin said.

    Putin, as always, "not in the eyebrow, but in the eye" ..
    All these maydaunas are the same as on the swamp .. cool, well-organized party of youth (the main backbone ..) They don’t want to see anything further than the beer bottles!
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 4 December 2013 09: 45 New
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      Quote: MIKHAN
      ..) They don’t want to see anything further than beer bottles!

      - well, it's youth laughing
      For example, my youngest, eight years old, sincerely considers me a dinosaur who does not understand anything in this life, therefore she teaches me laughing And here I’ll listen to her and then lay out her thoughts laughing These are not my shoulder straps, these shoulder straps she earned laughing
      In general, do not be angry with young people, they play as best they can laughing
      1. complete zero
        complete zero 4 December 2013 09: 51 New
        +7
        Have you tried rods?))))) - but seriously, I have about the same - "sucks", "kuzmich", etc.
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 4 December 2013 10: 22 New
          +8
          Quote: complete zero
          didn’t try the rods?))))) -

          - Would be younger - would certainly try, laughing
          And now I'm just laughing laughing Let him try. That's just the threat I use with rods when her steps threaten with serious mistakes, but there are almost no such mistakes at the age of eight.
          Unfortunately, when 8-year-old mantles turn into 20-year-olds, while adding only in weight, physical strength and sexual maturity, but not in the brain, and mistakes are made to make fatal mistakes. Then I confess, I was so 20 year old in 1991, now I am ashamed of the communist parents, even tin! The rod presented in time and actively in contact with the booty of the obtuse cervix turns out to be GREAT MATTER! Let not always and everywhere, but there are circumstances.
          By the way, in Russia, the youth of Stalin respect and do not really like America and Geyropa. There Rozgi are not so in demand. But in Ukraine, Kiev youth, unfortunately, needs to be educated a little. IMHO, just such an impression from that interview - "I'll go to Geyropu for free!" The green tree seems to be able to read Christmas trees - why not read?
          1. Gato
            Gato 4 December 2013 11: 26 New
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            Quote: aksakal
            Green trees seem to be able to read - why not read?

            I wouldn’t be better at it — I wouldn’t read any nasty things.
            Unfortunately, their parents are the same.
            Just now on the Ukrainian channel "24" they showed an interview with a woman in Maydanut, about 50 years old. Here are her words (translated into Russian):
            "Why am I for the EU? Because I want our children to live well. We have already lived, we do not care, but we want them to have free education, medicine and housing."
            belay
            I almost choked on beer.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 4 December 2013 11: 40 New
              +9
              Quote: Gato
              "Why am I for the EU? Because I want our children to live well. We have already lived, we do not care, but we want them to have free education, medicine and housing."

              It seems that a new medical term has appeared - "maydanutye". Judging by the picture from Kiev, the number of beds in psychiatric hospitals in Ukraine is clearly insufficient.
              1. Gato
                Gato 4 December 2013 11: 56 New
                +3
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                Judging by the picture from Kiev, the number of beds in psychiatric hospitals in Ukraine is clearly not enough.

                Crazies in Kiev are not able to accommodate all the visiting banderlogs. Therefore, they occupied the House of Trade Unions and the building of the KGA.
              2. Gato
                Gato 4 December 2013 12: 01 New
                +3
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                new medical term - "maydanutye"

                Or even "maydauny". The term is not new - it is almost 10 years old (since 2004).
                It seems that the disease is not only incurable, but also contagious.
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 4 December 2013 12: 09 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Gato
                  It seems that the disease is not only incurable, but also contagious.

                  Mdhhhhhhh ...
                  Science is powerless here ... recourse
              3. Grossfater
                Grossfater 5 December 2013 01: 24 New
                0
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                Quote: Gato
                "Why am I for the EU? Because I want our children to live well. We have already lived, we do not care, but we want them to have free education, medicine and housing."

                It seems that a new medical term has appeared - "maydanutye". Judging by the picture from Kiev, the number of beds in psychiatric hospitals in Ukraine is clearly insufficient.
      2. Normal
        Normal 4 December 2013 11: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: aksakal
        But I’ve heard enough of her and then I spread her thoughts laughing. These are not my shoulder straps, these shoulder straps she earned laughing.

        And I think, how so? It seems like an adult and not at all a stupid person, aksakal, and sometimes it carries, even send to kindergarten laughing

        It turns out that when you say smart things, this is the youngest, and when you chase a blizzard, then this is a "gag" wassat
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 4 December 2013 11: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: Normal
          It turns out that when you say smart things, this is the youngest, and when you chase a blizzard, then this is a "gag"

          - It's not me! This youth is not like that!
          Sometimes I advise you to listen to the voice of young people, otherwise you feel that you have no young advisers at all laughing
          1. Normal
            Normal 4 December 2013 12: 01 New
            +1
            Quote: aksakal
            I advise you to sometimes listen to the voice of young people, otherwise you feel that you have young advisers and you don’t have any laughing at all

            Why ... no ... 22, 9 and 3 years. Something, but there are enough "advisors" laughing
            1. Danash I
              Danash I 4 December 2013 12: 49 New
              0
              But didn’t you try to emigrate? To Siberia, to hard labor, to the scaffold? smile my daughter gives birth in a week. lol
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 4 December 2013 13: 24 New
                0
                Quote: danash i
                But didn’t you try to emigrate? To Siberia, to hard labor, to the scaffold?

                - where? What for? Khe-khe, No, you’re better off with us! It’s better with us, we feed with a besbarmak, and hunt with golden eagles. I have no desire for anything, or rather, I have nothing against Siberia itself, it served there and I liked the taiga, but leave the rest for yourself somehow. laughing
            2. aksakal
              aksakal 4 December 2013 13: 21 New
              0
              Quote: Normal
              Why ... no ... 22, 9 and 3 years. Something, but there are enough "advisors"

              - vo-in, here is a 9-year-old listen, the three-year-old does not think about it yet laughing
      3. Gato
        Gato 4 December 2013 15: 31 New
        +1
        There is a proven method laughing
      4. densh
        densh 4 December 2013 21: 09 New
        +2
        Come on. At one time we were all "smart" and "for life" knew better than all the old hangers put together. laughing
  • Sunjar
    Sunjar 4 December 2013 09: 37 New
    +4
    Quote: Belogor
    Rat fuss abundantly in all structures of power. They disperse, then apologize, refuse to associate, after some time, declare that negotiations with the European Union on membership will continue. No clear position ultimately play into the hands of the opposition.


    Yes, they have such a tactic: they try to sit on the fence all the time, so that they can be on both sides at the same time. But this is the situation because of this. If they pursued a policy in one of the parties, with all the ensuing actions, then there would not be such a mess.
  • JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 4 December 2013 09: 37 New
    +3
    Quote: FC Skiff
    Where are the Russian media powers, where is our propaganda, why does this zombie boy learn simple truths only from interviews


    It’s too late for the zombies to say anything, they are no longer able to adequately perceive reality. Only long-term treatment will help them.
    The main thing is not to miss the healthy part of the youth. This applies to both Russia and Ukraine.
    1. illarion
      illarion 4 December 2013 14: 41 New
      +4
      - Frowning! - shouted Ostap, going down the stairs. - The most awesome is coming! Under the sweet babble of mandolin.


      Ostap, not paying attention to him, went up to Antelope and began eagerly pushing the pear. He played matchish until the strumming of keys was heard behind the thick doors. Antelope people lifted their heads. The door opened into two halves, and the merry saints slowly drove deep into their oak squares. From the darkness of the portal, Adam Kazimirovich stepped onto a high bright porch. He was pale. His conductor mustache was damp and deplorably hanging from the nostrils. In his hands he held a prayer book. On both sides he was supported by priests. From the left side - priests Kushakovsky, from the right - priests Aloysiy Moroshek. The eyes of the paters were flooded with oil.

      - Hello, Kozlevich! - shouted Ostap from below. “Aren't you tired yet?”

      The body of the Antelope driver took a step forward, but his soul, spurred on both sides by the piercing gazes of Kushakovsky and Moroshek, rushed back. Kozlevich looked sadly at his friends and looked downcast.

      And the great struggle began for the immortal soul of the driver.

      “Hey, you, cherubim and seraphim,” said Ostap, summoning the enemies to dispute, “there is no god!”

      “No, there is,” protested priest Aloysius Moroshek, shielding Kozlevich with his body.

      “This is just hooliganism,” muttered Priest Kushakovsky.

      “No, no,” continued the great combinator, “and never has been.” This is a medical fact.

      “I consider this conversation inappropriate,” Kushakovsky said angrily.

      - Is it appropriate to pick up a car? Shouted the tactless Balaganov. - Adam! They just want to pick up the Antelope.

      Hearing this, the driver raised his head and looked inquiringly at the priests. The priests swept over and whistled with silk cassocks, tried to take Kozlevich back. But he rested.
      The dispute continued in the same strange way. Ostap’s unconvincing but hilarious arguments influenced Kozlevich in the most invigorating way. A blush flashed on the driver's cheeks, and his mustache gradually began to rise.

      - Come on, come on! - there were encouraging exclamations from behind the spirals and crosses of the lattice, where a considerable crowd of curious people had already gathered. - You tell them about the pope, about the crusade!
      - Pan Kozlevich! Groaned the priests.

      But the heroes of the rally were already seated in the car.

      “You see,” shouted Ostap to the regretted priests, taking a commanding position, “I told you that there is no god!” Scientific fact! Farewell to the priests! Goodbye, paters!

      Accompanied by the cheers of the crowd, Antelope drove off, and soon tin flags and tiled slopes of the church disappeared from sight. To celebrate, the Antelope people stopped at the beer shop.

      - Thanks, brothers! - said Kozlevich, holding a heavy mug in his hand. - It was completely dead. The priests fooled me. In particular, Kushakovsky. Oh, and cunning, hell. Believe me, I made you fast. Otherwise, he said, I won’t get to heaven.

      “Heaven,” said Ostap. “The sky is now desolate.” Not that era, not that segment of time. Angels now want to land. It’s good on the earth, there are utilities, there are planetariums, you can watch the stars accompanied by an anti-religious lecture.

      Golden Calf. Ilf and Petrov
      1. densh
        densh 4 December 2013 21: 28 New
        0
        "Khoja knew that in such disputes it is not the one who is right who wins, but the one who has the best tongue."
        L. Soloviev "The Tale of Khoja Nasreddin"
        In my opinion, this is closer to the topic hi .
        1. Cristall
          Cristall 5 December 2013 01: 39 New
          0
          It would be necessary to hang these words on any Shows like Shuster Live and indeed ...
          Soloviev and a wonderful book ... I love to re-read it.
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 4 December 2013 09: 39 New
    +1
    That's really "movement" really, but there is no resignation of the government, the president in China is solving problems that are more global for Ukraine, and ... inattention to the Maidan has shown its effectiveness (not counting the "Berkut" and VV) in its lack of prospects ... So " took a walk, "they ruined something, some got some loot, and they will wait for the election of the head of Ukraine, leaving for burrows.
    1. Normal
      Normal 4 December 2013 11: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: Valery Neonov
      President in China, solving problems more global for Ukraine,


      Global problems for Ukraine is where to get the dough?
      Yanukovych hoped that Europe would give money for the fact that UkrAina completely and irrevocably fall off from Russia. But Europe doesn’t need UkrAin for nothing, and even more so for the money, it’s nowhere to put its Romanian-Bulgarian-Baltic Poles, and here the Veliky Ukrainians are breaking.
      Yanukovych to Putin, like give me money for the fact that I will not go to Europe. Putin on the drum, where UkrAina gathered there, if only to pay money for gas. The GDP has no desire to pay for independence, and even more so for Wishlist hotels.
      Here Yachnukovich and rushed to China in the hope of imitating dough. The Maidan is not afraid of him, since the Maidan is for Europe and Yanukovych is for Europe. Yes, they don’t take it there with an empty pocket.
      1. kargrom
        kargrom 4 December 2013 19: 39 New
        0
        And Russia and China, previously discussed ...
      2. Gecko
        Gecko 4 December 2013 21: 59 New
        +1
        In China, he was already shaved for money.
  • bomg.77
    bomg.77 4 December 2013 09: 39 New
    +4
    Quote: avant-garde
    - Do not say.
    - It is said.
    - You have not read?
    - Was reading.

    When to read it all day on the Maidan laughing and I think the agreement in the 900 pages and the opposition with the authorities did not read to the end
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 4 December 2013 09: 49 New
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      Quote: bomg.77
      I think the opposition and the authorities did not read to the end

      So that's just the point! voted for signing when the entire set of documents WAS NOT even TRANSLATED into Ukrainian! I searched both on the internet and on the government website - only the GENERAL PART was provided! There were no applications! But they are the specifics! Even at that time, the communists in the Verkhovna Rada were against, but who listened to them? "Go ahead! At Europu!" But when they were transferred, they counted, and the IMF showed its Wishlist, + Russia showed "how it will be" then they grabbed their head!
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 4 December 2013 11: 25 New
        +5
        Quote: Egoza
        voted for the signing, when the entire set of documents WASN’T WERE TRANSLATED TO Ukrainian!

        Good morning dear Fidget!
        Well now it becomes clear - when they FIND an interpreter - it was necessary to gather in Vilna.
        Mother said "Learn foreign languages ​​...". wassat
      2. bomg.77
        bomg.77 4 December 2013 12: 54 New
        +5
        Quote: Egoza
        So that's the point! voted for the signing, when the entire set of documents was NOT WRITTEN TRANSLATED
        Marshal Egoza hi I’m writing about this and that they don’t know what this might turn out to be; they don’t bring information to people. I sat there and thought for myself how much Ukraine would need in one of the association points, bringing the train to Euro norms (narrowing) and it turned out that 22000km will cost a conservative estimate of 15 billion dollars and this is only one point, and there are 900 pages.
        1. Thirsty for wind
          Thirsty for wind 4 December 2013 14: 37 New
          +4
          By signing this piece of paper, Ukraine will have to find this money. They will find it. Friends from the euro will tell you that you can sell "non-profitable" assets, raise prices to such a level that you can live on everything for which at least something is paid.
          As a result, they (Ukrainians) will build new railways for the Europeans, they will sell all their goods. Well, or what is left of it. They themselves will be up to their neck in debt.

          Well, try to object to me that everything is cleverly and cunningly invented, and there are more than enough profits?
          And earlier sayings like: Where a Ukrainian (replace with another word) rummaged, there a Jew (replace with another word) has nothing to do.
          1. atalef
            atalef 4 December 2013 14: 49 New
            -3
            Quote: Thirsty for the Wind
            By signing this piece of paper, Ukraine will have to find this money. They will find it. Friends from the euro will tell you that you can sell "non-profitable" assets, raise prices to such a level that you can live on everything for which at least something is paid.

            It seems that at the entrance to the TS - Ukraine money is not needed, or Russia simply promises a loan. You know, if Ukraine needs to build roads in the EU standard, they will be given at least, rather than grandmas, and the result is zero

            Quote: Thirsty for the Wind
            As a result, they (Ukrainians) will build new railways for the Europeans, they will sell all their goods. Well, or what is left of it. They themselves will be up to their neck in debt.

            Russia needs Ukraine in the TS - solely from altruistic motives and Russian capital is certainly not going to buy up assets in Ukraine?
            Quote: Thirsty for the Wind
            And earlier sayings like: Where a Ukrainian (replace with another word) rummaged, there a Jew (replace with another word) has nothing to do.

            In this I absolutely agree with you, and life with my Ukrainian wife proves this to me every day.
            1. In the book
              In the book 4 December 2013 14: 52 New
              0
              laughing
              Quote: atalef
              In this I absolutely agree with you, and life with my Ukrainian wife proves this to me every day.
            2. Gato
              Gato 4 December 2013 15: 35 New
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              life with my Ukrainian wife proves it to me every day

              Similarly. Especially if you rummage in your pockets after a salary request
            3. Setrac
              Setrac 4 December 2013 15: 52 New
              +3
              Quote: atalef
              It seems that at the entrance to the TS - Ukraine money is not needed, or Russia simply promises a loan.

              At least Russia will open its market for Ukraine; the EU will not do this for Ukraine.
              1. densh
                densh 4 December 2013 21: 45 New
                0
                So the Russian market has long been open.
                And speaking of changing the railway gauge to the European standard, no one thinks that this will lead to alteration or replacement of all rolling stock and infrastructure, retraining of personnel. Or is there 2-3 lines for the EU?
            4. bomg.77
              bomg.77 4 December 2013 16: 09 New
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              It seems that at the entrance to the TS - Ukraine money is not needed, or Russia simply promises a loan. You know, if Ukraine needs to build roads in the EU standard, they will be given at least, rather than grandmas, and the result is zero
              Ukraine needs money for anyone, only the EU requires initially not to solve pressing problems, but to remake roads to their standard. Why do we need European standard railway routes if Ukraine supplies a small percentage of its products to the EU, and the bulk of the product goes to and from Russia? No, they want Ukraine to build roads for the import of their products, and not export from Ukraine. They will fill Ukraine cheap products and they will bury all production. Russia can load all the factories in Ukraine. Do not lend money, but give an opportunity to earn.
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 4 December 2013 09: 40 New
    +3
    Tell me, one site is buggy, I can not answer anyone sad. Sorry that is not the topic!
  • Strashila
    Strashila 4 December 2013 09: 45 New
    +3
    For the crumbling financial pyramid called the EU, for its fleeting strengthening, new suckers are required ... Georgia, Moldova, Azerbaijan, Ukraine.
  • taseka
    taseka 4 December 2013 09: 45 New
    +1
    Bought by moonshine and freebie, coupled with an extra charge of 100 hryvnia per diem - the political clowning of clans of the oligarchs of Ukraine has already got! How easy it is to manage cattle!
  • Same lech
    Same lech 4 December 2013 09: 52 New
    +8
    Yanukovych sits roughly speaking on a sharp stake in the ass, an unfortunate person cannot jerk anywhere.

    DO NOT like how he sold his cops.

    These guys calmed the scumbags - and YANUKOVICH accuses them of all mortal sins - not good (such a shit ... I don’t respect me).
    1. Migari
      Migari 4 December 2013 11: 04 New
      +2
      And why wonder, as Leontev said "sheer betrayal", and the first was Yanukovych, betrayed those who made him president, then an absolute misunderstanding of what will happen to Ukraine after signing with the EU, a complete mess in the government and in the country.
    2. densh
      densh 4 December 2013 22: 03 New
      +2
      Everything is more complicated here. The night dispersal stirred up a swamp, which began to dry out. And no one can clearly answer, who gave the command and as a result, in fact, rendered a huge service to the opposition - helpful
      stupid or ...
      And before that, everything was consistent with the article in Lurkomorye:
      Maidan (verb: maidan, maidan) - an organized meeting of a large crowd of lumpen (as a rule, who received the promise of a reward for standing) demanding something from the authorities. As an option, unorganized and spontaneous; the algorithm is to get together, then think about what to demand, if you haven’t thought of it, dance to music, have a drink, ..., wave banners and go home with deep satisfaction (which, in fact, is the result of any Maidan). laughing
      I won’t give the full article, they’ll be banned. For anyone interested, refer to the original source. hi
  • SHILO
    SHILO 4 December 2013 09: 55 New
    +2
    Quote: avant-garde

    The most important question, in my opinion, was forgotten by you, do you want to do it? I think the answer is obvious


    Picture to post! fellow
    1. mamba
      mamba 4 December 2013 12: 27 New
      +5
      Quote: SHILO
      Picture to post!


      1. SHILO
        SHILO 4 December 2013 13: 47 New
        +3
        Thanks +, but I didn’t succeed in delivering it in the morning. Here's a sculpted one.
  • bomg.77
    bomg.77 4 December 2013 10: 01 New
    +2
    Quote: avant-garde
    Tell me, one site is buggy, I can not answer anyone. Sorry that is not the topic!
    You are not alone friend laughing
  • mountain
    mountain 4 December 2013 10: 30 New
    +1
    All the fuss has nothing to do with the people of Ukraine and its prosperity. From time to time, everything is repeated, some make a revolution, and others use the fruits. Their history does not teach anything. Very sorry.
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  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 4 December 2013 10: 34 New
    +2
    Quote: "It was the current government, which made an acrobatic somersault at the last moment, to this very European choice, about which Euromaidan groaned."
    The Ukrainian authorities simply blackmailed Russia: do not lower the price of gas, we’ll leave for the European Union. It was an open bluff. And when it became dangerous to bluff (anything can happen), the government backed up. Ukrainian leaders did not realize that such zigzags in politics spill over into the Maidan.
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 4 December 2013 10: 39 New
    +6
    How disgusting are the antics of Malorossian power. They, led by Yanukovych and Azarov until the last day, day and night expelled EUROPE, EUROPE ... The character from the program amused proving that EUROPE will open the borders for Ukrainian, it seems that they are all there fool They are not aware that not even all EU members have the right to free movement and work in the EU. They at least s ... s in the eye, all of Europe.
    Even more disgusting is how the guys from the Berkut were set up. Thus, these individuals risk being left without protection. Although their vile and cynical calculation is understandable that, they say, where they will go, poverty and unemployment are all around. What if they go away? As the brother said in "Brother 2": "Here."
  • polly
    polly 4 December 2013 10: 43 New
    +2
    "- Not said.
    - It is said. "

    What is the paradox of the situation: people are trying to change the course of history, history, as such, and those who do not know. Apparently, they were even taught to read, but they have already forgotten about it. Otherwise, it would have been clear to them that the same united Europe had come to their house more than once, leaving only firebrands from it ... Not the notorious "democratic values", and not even the economy (although it is time to correct the emaciated sides on the Ukrainian black soil!) and naked geopolitics drives these anders fogh rasmussen:
    EU is just a lure. Missiles are still not quite in the forehead of Russia - that’s the problem!
    It's a shame that while the people see clearly, having seized the dashing, a lot of bad things can happen.
  • chehywed
    chehywed 4 December 2013 11: 05 New
    +2
    The European Union will not open new negotiations on the text of the already initialed Association Agreement and a deep and comprehensive free trade zone with Ukraine, said Maya Kosyanchich, representative of the head of European diplomacy.

    In addition, she said European Commission does not confirm The visit of the Ukrainian delegation to Brussels declared by the Prime Minister of Ukraine Mykola Azarov.

    Stating that in the EU "there is no discussion regarding compensation", she said: "We are ready to discuss various aspects of the implementation of the Association Agreement and deep and comprehensive free trade zone with Ukraine and explain in detail the very specific benefits that the Agreement will bring to Ukraine"." We, nevertheless, are not ready to open new negotiations on the text of the Agreement, "M. Kosjancic said.


    The Muppet Show, Azarov says one thing, the EU is the opposite, but it seems that Ukraine will not have enough seats for two chairs.
  • Gato
    Gato 4 December 2013 11: 13 New
    +1
    That's who really is blackmailing the Ukrainian elite, and not Russia at all. Are they keeping their money with us ?!

    And the Russian "elite" who keeps their money?
  • twister
    twister 4 December 2013 11: 13 New
    +1
    It’s already getting colder, the New Year is coming soon, so we will have to get rid of us, we must stock up on bacon and tartar, but there will be no sense from the Maidan, so we’ve screamed and enough!
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  • morpogr
    morpogr 4 December 2013 11: 45 New
    +6
    It’s a complete divorce, and the people see only a wrapper from a candy wrapper and they don’t want to see the filling in any way. And the country is heading into the abyss.
  • slavik_gross
    slavik_gross 4 December 2013 11: 59 New
    +1
    There is a good proverb on this subject. "Only the magil will fix the hunchbacked"
  • Pharao7766
    Pharao7766 4 December 2013 12: 24 New
    +1
    But I thought ...
    We’ll watch the whole morning, with actions, protests, demonstrations in Kiev.
    AND SIGN UKRAINE TO THE ASSOCIATION, WAS IT ALSO THE MOST OR NO?

    I understand that the geyropa and sha swelled a lot of dough into this circus,
    but is Russia ready, in accordance with the strategy of soft power, to do the same and support pro-Russian forces?
    Honestly - I doubt it ...
  • sxn278619
    sxn278619 4 December 2013 12: 43 New
    -3
    Better to slavery to an honest, clean Europe than to friendship with a corrupt, semi-gangster Russia.
    This is the call of the active western part of Ukraine.
    1. illarion
      illarion 4 December 2013 14: 53 New
      +1
      But to them all
    2. hommer
      hommer 4 December 2013 14: 58 New
      +4
      Quote: sxn278619
      Better to slavery to an honest, clean Europe, than friendship with corrupt, semi-gangster Russia.


      What are you writing about ?! Have you ever heard the words "honor", "dignity", "pride"?
      I’m not talking about Ukraine’s accession to the EU or the CU, I, like the Kazakh, have no such emotions with this problem, and wherever you want, they’ll join there.
      I'm talking about your comment - it’s necessary to humiliate yourself in such a public way!
      1. densh
        densh 4 December 2013 22: 08 New
        0
        Habit, mabut. what
  • takeshi
    takeshi 4 December 2013 12: 49 New
    +7
    The worst thing is, if they succeed and sign the association, and then it turns out that no visa cancellation and no help - Russia will again be to blame. And just like that.
    As with the gas agreement during the period of oracle dibilism, when they themselves terminated the gas contract for 50 dollars per cube and signed for 450 per cube, and presented it as a victory over Russia. Now they shout that it is Russia to blame for the fact that gas is so expensive. So they sign such maydauns to cries about the European future of Ukraine.
  • Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 4 December 2013 12: 49 New
    +4
    Just like we entered the WTO
    No one read meticulously
    What harm will domestic industry bring
    and no one has counted the economy
    Just the liberals said that it would be good, and that’s it ...
    Maybe the comparison is not correct
    But a little bit of an analogy can be seen like
  • Gronsky
    Gronsky 4 December 2013 13: 08 New
    +2
    Do you want or not, and Ukraine will have to stab. The initiators will be the zapadents themselves. The first swallow in the form of an appeal of the City Council of Rava-Russian was already chirping. Further, I think, there will be more.
    They will sing a couple of the western regions and in an orderly way they will file a request to take them separately from the rest of Ukraine. Well, okay, and good, and do not bother them. Mentally, these are alien regions, moreover, they are without exception feeding on earnings in Europe, unless some factories of the east and south can care about them. The ideal of their Europe is the guaranteed presence of a European ass for washing.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 4 December 2013 13: 13 New
      +6
      Quote: Gronsky
      Mentally, these are alien regions, moreover, they are completely feeding from earnings in Europe, unless some factories of the east and south can care about them.

      I agree.
      Mentally - the fundamental word.
  • pl675
    pl675 4 December 2013 13: 25 New
    0
    Quote: Canep
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    I don’t understand one thing, how can this visa-denied person help with the abolition of visas if ZERO in his pockets
    Greetings to Alexander! I think this would not answer would say that he would hitchhike in Europe. What is he going to study there? They have sky-high prices for university education. About 5000-10000 euros per year. In Cambridge, 12000 pounds per year, only tuition and the same amount for accommodation and more. In Kazakhstan, education is 10 times cheaper.


    I will not tire of repeating - Moscow is not the whole of Russia.
    Europe is different.
    My daughter is studying at the University of Lisbon, exactly at the Kazakh price tag you specified.
    like adults, but no, we must summarize, they say how everything is expensive there.
  • bomg.77
    bomg.77 4 December 2013 13: 54 New
    +3
    Quote: RDS-1
    (or a moron longing for Eurochaly), so as not to understand what it is, what it leads to and how it will end.
    For those who do not understand, FABR, starring: Fox (EU), Crow (Ukraine)
    HUMOR
    FABLE ON THE CAUCASUS LAD
    Once, God sent a raven a piece of cheese. Well, parmesan ...
    And he quietly ate it. One. Like a partisan.
    He sat on a branch instead of a stool. And he ate, and ate, and ate, and
    ate and ate!
    Hurry, someone didn’t steal it.
    And past the gap of foxes. And the sausage ... No! Cheese! I sensed it.
    And he also immediately wanted to.
    Straight, even the whole sweat!
    Straight, even a stand made like dogs.
    Like this! And says: Hi raven!
    Oh! Let me see it all around
    How beautiful you are today, a-a-a-l
    After all, I told you a long time ago, two ... no! three days is not kind of-a-al!
    What an extraordinary you are now!
    What a face! What figures are chic!
    And how do you like your black color!
    Mmmm ... Naomi Campbell ... Whitney Houston, no?
    I won’t recognize you at all!
    Sorry, I’m standing next to this for so long
    I just can't take my eyes off
    From your face. How beautiful he is!
    You have to paint a portrait, a picture,
    And put the world wide web.
    Even Mona Lisa is with you
    Doesn't look. Ah, so-so ... A stub ...
    Sophia Loren is next to you
    As near the rose - garden horseradish.
    Your top is beautiful and the bottom is beautiful!
    And let Boris go crazy with envy
    This one ... how is it there ... Moses!
    Your back bottom is much more beautiful!
    So says the fox. And quietly
    Coming closer. Cunning, bilin, dude!
    Raven is silent. But he stopped digging.
    And she looks down proudly. Like Lenin with a pedestal.
    The fox rested a little bit - And again. Hey raven! Fell asleep?
    Do not save? I still wanted to tell you
    Until you flew to Hollywood
    I bow to your mind.
    I feel ... well ... just m!
    When I look at your high forehead.
    You are a genius! Your mind is like an antelope
    Rushing, ahead of time.
    You are the very wisdom between us all!
    It’s written on your forehead right here,
    You graduated from the main institute.
    And with a medal, you finish academies. To be continued....
  • bomg.77
    bomg.77 4 December 2013 13: 55 New
    +1
    extension

    I give a tooth! Shchto Nobel Prize
    You will be handed, well, maximum, on Saturday!
    For math test paper.
    I give an eye! Shchto smart in this world
    Only two: you and the Pentium are four.
    Thank you god you let me be born
    In one era with this great bird!
    So says the fox. And closer, closer
    To the raven pushes his skis.
    Raven is silent. Pout like a turkey!
    Already belly wipes from under trousers.
    Such a straight important became, as if the king.
    Like a general bird secretary.
    The fox is cunning, resting a little,
    Already included such a fool,
    Shchto even himself a little surprised.
    And he says: Oh Lord! Really ... I fell in love !!!
    Oh my beautiful dream! Oh my thief!
    You bring me to the funeral!
    There is no life without your love for me, baby ...
    Now I will hang out. Here on this thread.
    And get poisoned. Here is this fly agaric.
    Oh my raven! May love! Cherie! Amor!
    How painful it is to know that you don’t love me!
    Shto my spouse you will never be!
    And don’t lay me a little egg
    Just like my face ...
    Ah, I feel bad! Ah, ah! I'm dying!
    Heart attack! Stroke! Incest! Ah, but I don’t know ...
    Ah, my heart ... Everything ... Forever freeze ...
    Well, why are you silent?
    Shout out quickly, zero three !!
    And - he fell. Hand to chest pressed.
    It was as if Kondratius had embraced him.
    Raven ... And what about raven? He opened his beak.
    I forgot about cheese. He did not blame him from his mouth.
    And he croaked like that! Shchito immediately choked.
    And along with cheese, he fell from a tree.
    What's next? Esophagus. Stomach.
    The hungry fox was ok!
    For half an hour the raven has digested
    And ... He did not become what he was.
    Morality:
    When you have cheese, sit and eat.
    And don’t let anyone out!
  • Stinger
    Stinger 4 December 2013 14: 16 New
    +3
    Striking cynicism and arrogance, with which the combination was carried out. At first, he declared in Vilnius that “this does not go to us” with the immediacy of a statesman who has fallen from the moon, then calmly substitutes Azarov to disentangle the situation (they say it’s not a royal matter to read some lousy agreement) and calmly departs for China, turning into a defender of the fundamental interests of the long-suffering Ukrainian people. This is worse than ours "Chubais is to blame for everything." Bravo.
  • sashka
    sashka 4 December 2013 15: 14 New
    +2
    If Yeltsin’s memory doesn’t fail, he also started from this .. I can’t connect two words, but I don’t see or hear anything .. Bored .. Gentlemen, EVERYTHING HAS already been .. excuses ..
  • Altona
    Altona 4 December 2013 15: 48 New
    +7
    Repost
    Well, what can I say about the Maidan ... Swearing as if and tired ... There, forgotten by the world, Ruslana Egg again demolished popularity ... There Arseny is splashing saliva with might and main, In Europe trying to cut a hole ... There Tyagnibok Like a spring dog, Falls into his own OUN ecstasy ... There is a former genius of world boxing He is carrying some absurd nonsense ... He is frightened by a Russian birch And cabbage soup in prison for lunch ... All these political creatures Once again drove the people to the Maidan ... Everything is as always - "Die proletarian, But make a passage for us to Europe !!! Resist the Berkut !!! Don't be afraid !!! Putin will never intimidate us !!!" What a heroic autumn, But I want something more ... I'm sick of the intoxicated teenagers, Who opened their mouths greedily ... "It's so easy and simple in the European Union !!! Shit it even smells like flowers !!!" They turned on the music - they are dancing ... Europe's sly new slaves ... There is a place for us, but on a parache ... They do not need brains there, but humps ... You want equality ??? Here's a shot! Europe has its own rules of the game .. Suddenly Yulia went on a hunger strike - Heartburn again from pressed caviar ... But how sweetly gays groaned And in the prospect of imminent marriage ties, They havetily shave themselves in all places, So that the European Union entered the European Union without any problems ... Pink shines everywhere glasses Glasses that the euro-pimp gave out ... I stopped arguing, because there is no sense ... After all, I am "b" for them, a Donetsk thief "... Although I'm only half Russian And my house is not a Donetsk region, Sarcasm mine spoils all the Euro-raspberries And pierces that Euro-gondon, With which we are very sterile flogged ... Eh, Ukraine !!! Your mother, children !!! The Slavs should be together in joy and in grief To be together and go one way !!! I would write all these rhymes, If I didn’t know that my opinion would be supported, Those who despise myths would support, That we are scoops, hanygs and crooks !!! We, if customs are removed, are all Slavs !!! And we drink, and we steal ... Like everyone else ... And almost everyone who is now on the Maidan, On the same "two twenty" sausage, In the Union were brought up ... Matured ... Oleg, Vitalik, Senya ... How so ??? After all, yourgrandfathers saved the Motherland !!! And the enemy killed them from Europe ... Broke ... Sorry ... I went to the wrong steppes a little, although in something right ... Come to your senses, Ukraine !!! The evil wind Only crumples, but does not break the stems of herbs ... Well, what can I say about the Maidan ... After all, 9 years ago it was also ... And as a result - an ocean of deception, Which washed away those "heroes" into the abyss .. ...
    1. ekzorsist
      ekzorsist 4 December 2013 21: 25 New
      +1
      Well ... short, clear and truthful.
    2. densh
      densh 4 December 2013 22: 12 New
      +1
      SUPPORT good
  • serge
    serge 4 December 2013 15: 53 New
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  • stas132
    stas132 4 December 2013 18: 31 New
    +7
    Good day to everyone! Maybe someone will be interested in the topic:
    This is a link to the agreement (draft) of the association of Ukraine with the EU http://www.kmu.gov.ua/kmu/control/uk/publish/article?art_id=246581344&cat_id=223
    223535
    I read it myself, shed a tear. "If there are conditions" yes "if there is a desire and opportunity" in the respected EU ..
    someday, perhaps they (high parties) will talk about the abolition of visas, etc. :-) I hope that my fellow countrymen know MOV, and the Israelis will translate their wives from MOV into Russian, or Gogle will help with the translation .. I recommend reading at least the preamble of this "document", it is interesting and fun to read in places how they take off their pants and turn to Russia in front but back to the EU.
  • voliador
    voliador 4 December 2013 20: 54 New
    +1
    Poor Yanukovych - trying to sit with one ass on two chairs, and pulling out chairs from under the ass in different directions laughing . I wonder which chair to choose?
  • ekzorsist
    ekzorsist 4 December 2013 21: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    Explain, please . there must be a reason why Russians become Russophobes
    ... Yes, and once again, the same problem is in Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, throughout the Baltic states ... and you can also name a bunch of "fraternal" and "friendly" republics (read independent states). This is especially evident at the official and public level ... oh I can't even guess WHY? What if Russians stop loving their native language? Or suddenly they absolutely do not know the history of Russia? In these, so to speak, "free" republics.
    Perhaps I will explain briefly - because otherwise you will not survive! People simply survive, and all sorts of Natsiks or, as mildly, "liberated" and "perked up" in spirit and body, national representatives, with the support of the authorities, are simply scorned at them.
    In schools, the lessons of the Russian language were minimized, to the level of grades 5-6, the lessons of history turned into lessons of self-chanting and self-contemplation of the true citizens of the titular nations.
    Something like that . I hope you understand?
    1. atalef
      atalef 4 December 2013 21: 42 New
      -1
      Quote: ekzorsist
      Yes, and once again, yes, the same problem is in Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, throughout the Baltic states ... and you can also name a bunch of "fraternal" and "friendly" republics (read independent states).

      Do you want to say that Russians in Kazakhstan are turning into Russophobes?

      Quote: ekzorsist
      Perhaps I will explain briefly - because otherwise you can’t survive!

      those. you want to say . What is the policy of these states pinch Russian?

      Quote: ekzorsist
      the lessons of history turned into the lessons of self-chanting and self-contemplation of the true citizens of the titular nations.
      Something like that . I hope you understand?

      Of course, it’s clear, but it’s not clear the vehicles with whom they create - it seems that with enemies.
  • Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 4 December 2013 21: 22 New
    +2
    Yes, in general, be there what will be, the asses freeze without clear prospects, and those who steer the Maidan "horse meat" drink in warm saunas, I worry about one thing - as if for all these unveiled EU expansions, my country would not have to pay, for the sake of helping truly fraternal people !
  • Ustas77
    Ustas77 4 December 2013 21: 33 New
    -1
    In France, all are French, in the USA - all Americans, in Russia - Russians, in Ukraine - we are all Ukrainians. We have no division into the titular nation and into anyone else. PROBLEMS IN COMMUNICATION IN RUSSIAN ARE NOT ABSOLUTELY. Those who think differently - come to visit. Only not with malice, but with an open soul. We have, on equal terms, Russian-language and Ukrainian-language media, television programs, films, newspapers and magazines. No problem. You should not flabber with your tongues, not knowing the situation from the inside and sitting thousands of kilometers from us, while watching zombies with clowns Leontyev, Vasserman and others like them.
    As prof. Preobrazhensky - stop reading Soviet newspapers before dinner.
  • Ustas77
    Ustas77 4 December 2013 21: 36 New
    0
    And further. I live in Donbass myself. Those who believe that in Ukraine jo ... ah - do not engage in garbage and demagoguery. We have exactly the same as yours. The same cities, the same middle class, the same cars, clothes and products. The latter, probably, are more qualitative - father-in-law from the Rostov region says that as they plan some good sabantuy - they are felling us for sausages, vodka and pastry. BECAUSE DELICIOUS!
    1. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 4 December 2013 22: 01 New
      0
      Yeah, everything is like everyone else. Salaries may be lower, but do not compare prices in Moscow.
      My wife bought a ticket Kiev-Kaluga, she got a ticket from Kiev-Moscow, because paid from the card did not make a refund (up to a month they transfer back), looked, the difference is 800 rubles. First, they got it right, did the Moscow-Kaluga train 800r? it turned out that everything is much worse, the ticket price is up to 3 thousand! (true luxury). We started looking at tickets inside Ukraine, for the same money you can go from Kiev to Sevastopol by compartment train))). My wife is Ukrainian, most of all she loves the phrase from KVN "Russian television said that our life is even worse."
      The Russian media also exaggerate a lot - this is an objective opinion. I often travel to Ukraine.
      1. just exp
        just exp 5 December 2013 07: 06 New
        +1
        I have a cousin from Donetsk, for the fourth year I have been going home only on vacation, a year after I arrived, I brought my wife because living at home is not easy, prices are lower, but not so much less than sn.
    2. stas132
      stas132 4 December 2013 22: 04 New
      0
      I myself am from the Donbass, I agree with almost everything said. In addition to product quality, a moot point. And a couple of points.
    3. Gecko
      Gecko 4 December 2013 22: 10 New
      0
      Balts for gasoline and cigarettes come to us probably also tastier than theirs wink
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 5 December 2013 01: 33 New
        +1
        Quote: gecko
        Balts for gasoline and cigarettes come to us probably also tastier than theirs wink

        We have already left Estonia. Household import of excisable products (fuel, alcohol, hen) is practically prohibited. So only professional smugglers.
  • Ustas77
    Ustas77 4 December 2013 21: 41 New
    -3
    And trade wars are waged exclusively by the Kremlin. And not only with Ukraine, but often with Belarus, the Baltic states, etc. No country in the world does this to us.
    Do not bear the blizzard that the Russian Federation is constantly helping someone, a nurse. The Russian Federation has always set gas prices, for example, solely on the basis of the global economic situation. What kind of charity, what the ???
    1. stas132
      stas132 4 December 2013 22: 07 New
      0
      And here I do not agree. :-) Defending the country's economic interests is not always a war. “No country in the world does this to us.” - so no one borders on Ukraine, I mean having gas and oil in such quantities.
    2. Gecko
      Gecko 4 December 2013 22: 16 New
      +1
      You, too, are threatening Russia with problems in the distillation of gas to Europe.
      Trade wars are consequences, and the root cause is almost always the Russophobic actions of neighbors, for which there is no way to answer with the same coin, but it is possible to make problems at customs. Europe treats you differently; it begins to crush your oligarchs through their accounts in European banks.
  • Makarov
    Makarov 4 December 2013 21: 52 New
    +3
    Those who have not seen what is happening on the Maidan, what kind of people have gathered there and what kind of things they stand for cannot give an adequate comment. There is a project "public TV" (community TV), there, among other projects, this guy walks around the square communicating with people with a phone online, without agitating anyone and asking questions, they say where, what are you doing here, who do you see as president, and so on ... so there people really talk about the fact that ALL the deputies and rascals, that the opposition, that the pro-government, ALL need to be changed, the entire system must be changed and for this they are ready to stand there ... Of course there is and radicals, and zombie youngsters with the idol of Klitschko in their eyes, there are different people, there are stupid and smart, but all of them are sick of the life that exists in Ukraine today. People are tired of living badly with corrupt cops and judges, deputies and officials, and they can be understood. The majority turn back from the opposition as well as from all the other deputies ... a very specific atmosphere there, especially at night, who is interested - hromadske.tv, from 02.00 (Moscow time) this guy walks there.
    1. Stamp
      Stamp 4 December 2013 22: 29 New
      +3
      Who became the driving force of Maidan 2013 - these are students, everything had to be watched in online broadcasts, correctly only they give a complete picture of what is really happening on the Maidan, any news releases twist the information depending on the sympathies of their owners. At first there was a 2 Maidan on the European Square, an opposition rallied, on the Maidan itself, students, it is no secret that the opposition simply failed their Maidan, having relocated to the students and actually clinging to them, the opposition at some point ended its direct financing of the Maidan on the European Square. Everything would have resolved itself, if not for the power dispersal of these students at night. This is a concrete setup of Yanukovych, it seems they threw his own.
      And now a tent camp has appeared on Maidan, barricades have blocked the approaches, bonfires in barrels, field kitchens, and even the Kiev city hall has been captured, the latter is different from 2004, the daily blockade of the Cabinet of Ministers and the Rada continues.
      1. Makarov
        Makarov 4 December 2013 23: 12 New
        0
        it is ... there is a feeling that young people just want some kind of similarity, their post-apocalyptic towns, where all people are brothers, and if you want to eat, you will be fed and given tea ... of course, this cannot go on for a very long time .. .but the fact that this has been going on for so long is simply amazing ...

        Actually, I reacted extremely negatively to this movement, but realizing that the opposition was just a cog in this social movement (the opposition considers itself to be the engine of the movement, but this is 100% already a long time ago ...), realizing that the opposition has little control and not much poisons actually was amazed, for what exactly are people standing there ...
  • Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 4 December 2013 21: 57 New
    +4
    Uncle Vova was talking too cheerfully about the false start, at least he ate a lemon for the sake of decency, but looking at his charismatic smile, the thought crept in "it turns out that you beat the West?" It seems that Yanukovych was deliberately flirting with the EU from the very beginning, and when the latter, closing their eyes in anticipation of pleasure and folding their lips in a bow, expected to feel the lips of Ukraine mutually, they realized to their horror that they had kissed Yanukovych's ass. In addition, they also instigated (provoking) the aposition to a false start, because of which the general offensive of the EU was disrupted and started chaotically at the wrong time, in the wrong order. But what is most offensive is that the system is "exposed", the traitor agents are "exposed". I am haunted by the joyful look of Putin and his KGB past.
    Maybe not everything is so bad in this world?
    1. Gronsky
      Gronsky 4 December 2013 23: 39 New
      +1
      I also got the impression that this whole runaway race for association was a well-staged performance. It’s just as impossible to refuse Europe, given the rhetoric. But to refuse because of a burst of patience is quite plausible. We supposedly did our best, we did everything for this, and you are such conditions to us. All of us, no association is enough.
  • family tree
    family tree 4 December 2013 23: 44 New
    +1
    Euromaidan went on a trip.
    Office of the party "Blow" on the street. Gorky, 5, several dozen young people picketed in Kiev demanding to pay them the promised money for participating in a rally of supporters of European integration.
    http://politobzor.net/show-8760-klichko-gde-nashi-dengi-obmanutye-evromaydanchik
    i-trebuyut-dengi-za-uchastie-v-mitinge.html