Military Review

X95: mini-bulpup in three faces

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The Israeli TAR-2004 assault rifle Tavor, adopted in 21, is one of the best and most promising rifle rifles. weapons in class. Therefore, on the basis of its shortened version, Israel Weapon Industries (IWI) has designed a whole family of small arms X95 for special purpose units, including an assault rifle, a carbine and a submachine gun. This family is multi-caliber, because it can use two types of ammunition: 5,56 x 45 and 9 x 19 mm ammunition. The X95 system, developed in close cooperation with the elite special forces fighters, has already been adopted by the IDF, the Israeli self-defense army.


X95: mini-bulpup in three facesThe TAR-21 “Tavor” assault rifle project with the bulpup line, aimed at replacing the M16 rifles, began in 1995 and ended on 31 in March 2004 with the official adoption of Tavor. However, the improvement of the new assault rifle did not end there. Although the TAR-21 "Tavor" after a series of improvements and improvements fully meets the requirements of the Israeli infantry, in 2004, the special forces of Israel and special forces of the IDF general staff "Sayret Matkal" expressed a desire to have their own, even more compact version of the rifle. Actually, this moment can be considered the starting point in stories create X95.
At the heart of the requirements of the Israeli military were two main conditions:

- make the weapon as short as possible;
- the presence of a removable barrel caliber 9 mm and the ability to install a silencer.

They were due to the following considerations.

Firstly, the Israeli special forces are overwhelmingly carrying out their operations in a city where soldiers have to act in conditions of limited space — inside buildings, on narrow streets, in underground communications, etc. In such combat scenarios, a clash with the enemy often occurs suddenly, close range. Therefore, the paramount requirements for an individual soldier’s weapon here are the small size and speed of transfer to the combat position. And although the TAR-21 “Tavor” bundled according to the “bulpap” scheme provided the minimum response time for opening fire (it does not need to turn down the butt to transfer from the traveling position to the combat position), with a total length of 725 mm this weapon was not compact enough for the specified scenarios .

The second. The IDF is a highly mechanized army, saturated with a variety of armored vehicles, army vehicles and helicopters, which are used to deliver soldiers to the battlefield. This is dictated by the desire to protect the soldiers as much as possible from enemy fire as well as from the hot Israeli climate: any walking march through the hot desert, especially in summer, during the season of sandy winds, is a tough test even for a trained soldier. The close assault landing units of the armored personnel carrier, infantry fighting vehicles and helicopters impose their own restrictions on the infantry of the infantrymen. The Israelis had learned the lesson they had learned with the “Romat” rifle (a licensed copy of the Belgian FN FAL), which was part of the IDF’s 50 – 70s. Long and heavy, it created a lot of inconvenience during transportation, and during the 1973 “Doomsday” war, Israeli soldiers often changed it to captured Kalashnikov assault rifles. By the way, until recently, Soviet machine guns, along with the CAR-15 carbine (a shortened version of the M16), have for a long time been the actual armament of the Israeli special forces, and the "naval commandos" were fully armed with AKMS assault rifles.

The adoption of rifles, first “Galil” and “Glilon” (a shortened version of “Galil”) with a folding butt, and then the M16 A1, did not solve the existing problems. True, as an interim measure, the IDF command decided to acquire about 900 M4 A1 carbines, but this weapon with a total length of 880 mm with an extended butt could not be called truly small-sized. With almost the same barrel length by 155 mm, the shorter Tavor met the logistic requirements much better, however, this did not suit the military either. For example, when landing from armored vehicles through narrow hatches (for example, the rear landing door tank “Merkava” has a width of only 600 mm) neither “Tavor” nor any other standard IDF rifles allow you to place the weapon in the “on the chest” position so that you can open fire immediately after landing without wasting time folding the butt or removing the weapon from from behind.

Now about the second requirement. The bikalier nature of the weapon was needed so that the base model for the 5,56 mm caliber assault rifle (assault rifle or carabiner) could be transformed into a weapon under the 9-mm pistol (submachine gun) if necessary. Thus, the same weapon can be adapted to perform various tasks. This reduces the overall cost of purchasing weapons, and also during the operation saves money and saves the life of the main parts of the weapon, using it, for example, in a pistol caliber for training purposes, and in automatic one - for performing combat missions.

As the basis for the new assault rifle, which received the designation X95, IWI selected the ultra-compact version of the Tavor rifle, СAR-2008 Commando TAR, developed in 21, and a number of significant changes were made to it. The new model was initially known by two different names: MTAR-21 "Micro-Tavor" and "Tavor-2". After intensive and very tough long tests, the X95 was adopted by the special forces of the Israeli army, and from 2011 onwards it has entered the units of the IDF.

Common Device

Barrel and receiver

With a total length of 580 mm, the X95 bulpup is a truly ultra-compact weapon. With such dimensions, ХХNUMX in the “on the chest” position does not stand for the generally accepted transverse dimension of the human figure, equal to 95 m. Based on this value, engineers and architects design the entire “infrastructure” surrounding people - passageways, doors, hatches, manholes, furniture, seats vehicles - in order not to interfere with a person during his movements. For example, a fighter with a X0,6 on a belt can quietly “dive” into a tank hatch, without worrying that the weapon will catch on the edge of the armor and will impede its movement. Well, do not forget about the advantages of small size in terms of hidden wear. ХХNUMX can be transferred without dismantling, without attracting attention, in a usual travel or sports bag, business case, in a case for film equipment, etc.

The X95 barrel is cold forged and in the “automatic” version has 6 right-hand grooves in increments of 7 inches (178 mm). This is quite interesting, because the IDF uses two types of 5,56 x 45 mm ammunition: the old American M193 cartridge designed for 1 rifling pitch: 12, and today's standard NATO cartridge SS109 (M855), for which the optimal step is 1: 7. The fact is that the bullet cartridge M193 has a greater ability to fragmentation and, therefore, the best stopping action. In addition, the Israeli army has a large stock of ammunition cartridges of this type. Heavier cartridge bullet M855 has better ballistics and penetration ability. Therefore, the Israeli military doctrine provides for the use of M193 cartridges in conventional units, and M855 cartridges are supplied only by infantry department snipers, called in Israel "Kala Sa'ar" (equivalent to American "Marksman") and armed with sniper variants of the M4 carbine and M16 A2 E3 rifles. X95 can successfully use both types of ammunition, since at short distances, for which this weapon is optimized, the difference in the ballistic characteristics of the two cartridges does not appear so significantly.

Movable parts move inside a plastic receiver, which also performs the role of the forend and stock, along U-shaped metal guides. Compared with the "Tavor" from X95 changed the brand of plastic used for the manufacture of the receiver. Previously used polymer material, which had the highest resistance to shock loads. This is traditionally the weak point of all high-strength plastics, for which they are always inferior to the "classic" construction materials of small arms (high-quality and stainless steels, aluminum alloys, hardwood). However, the experience of operating Tavorov showed that although such plastic resists strong blows, after them it becomes unable to absorb the load in the same volume: microcracks began to develop in the structure of the material, creating a threat to the overall strength of the structure. Therefore, in the X95 plastic was replaced by a somewhat greenish shade, taken in Tavor, a new gray-black plastic has come. The new plastic is somewhat “softer” than its predecessor, but it does not cause the appearance of cracks with intensive use of weapons and, moreover, is more resistant to the effects of ultraviolet radiation (which is especially important for the Middle Eastern climate).

On the left side of the receiver, behind the recess for movement of the reloading handle, there is a round hole that serves to access the barrel retainer. Replacing the barrel produces a military weapon master, and this operation lasts only a few minutes and requires the application of the simplest tool. A rubber butt pad is attached to the back of the butt, preventing the butt from sliding and softening the recoil of the weapon.

Shutter

X95 uses two different systems of automation and locking.

For automatic cartridges of 5,56 mm caliber, a scheme is used with the removal of powder gases from the hole in the wall of the barrel and locking with a rotary bolt. At first glance, the bolt with the bolt carrier resembles similar assemblies of the Heckler & Koch G36 assault rifle, but upon close examination, significant differences are visible.

Firstly, the gas piston is rigidly coupled with the bolt carrier and is not separated from it during movement. The fact is that because of the short barrel, the gas chamber is located quite close to the muzzle cut — removed from the rear cut of the barrel bushing (breech) by 187 mm — and less gas is flowing into the gas chamber than the weapon with the longer barrel. Having made the piston and bolt carrier one-piece, IWI designers made it possible to “collect” the gas pulse throughout the frame stroke.

The second. Although the G36 and X95 disconnect the bolt and bolt carrier through a pin inserted into the transverse hole of the prismatic frame body, in the German sample, the figured control cutout that provides the bolt rotation is located on the bolt carrier and the Israeli rifle is directly on the bolt.

The third difference is in the number of lugs. In the Israeli sample, their number is reduced to three, which is favorable from a technological point of view and at the same time ensures a reliable and stable position of the shutter mirror during locking (the three points of support form a plane). Three lugs shutter located asymmetrically: their position corresponds to the position of a clockwise at twelve, four and seven hours. The last one is divided into two parts. Locking grooves for the bolt are located in the barrel bushing. The shutter of the rifle is made hollow inside so that when a gas breaks through the primer or when the ammunition is destroyed, it creates a kind of “protective shell” that holds the powder gases and protects the arrow and the mechanisms of the weapon from damage.

Another interesting feature of the X95 is the unusually short path of moving parts, the bolt carrier and bolt slide back only 70 mm - about half the recoil length in AKM or AK-74 and only slightly longer than the length of the 5,56 x 45 cartridge mm . Since the slide frame comes to the rear position at high speed, the X95 design provides a buffer, softening the impact of moving parts on the receiver and reducing the rate of fire.

In the version of the submachine gun caliber 9 mm free shutter is used. In this case, in place of the butterfly valve, the slide unit is stationary relative to the bolt carrier, and the locking is carried out only by the mass of the moving parts and the force of the return spring. The rest of the automatic submachine gun acts in the same way as a rifle / carbine.

Unlike the TAV-21 Tavor, the cocking handle is not on the forearm, but shifted somewhat back - the experience of operating the first Tavors showed that the handle located in front is often an obstacle to the movement of a fighter, because of the risk of catching it on surrounding objects, for example for a window or doorway. Optionally, the reloading handle can be mounted on either side of the weapon.

Closer to the back of the weapon, on both sides of the receiver are two windows for ejection of spent cartridges. For a right-handed arrow, for example, the right window remains open, and a reflector of the sleeves is mounted near it with a screw. The opposite window, vice versa, is closed with a plastic lid. If it is necessary to change the direction of ejection of the sleeves, this operation is performed by the army master gunsmith in the field.

Trigger mechanism

The rifle trigger guard is made very large and wide in order to play the role of additional protection for the shooter’s hand. It can be replaced with a traditional-shaped brace and in such units, for example, the 13 Shayette (special forces of the Israeli Navy), the preference is given to the usual variant, which is more convenient for operations in thick diving gloves. Above the pistol grip is a three-position two-way translator-fuse. In the “S” position, the weapon is fused, “R” corresponds to the single fire mode (such marking is inherited from FN FAL rifles, where “R” means the English word “Repetition” - reloading), “A” means automatic fire mode.

The descent force of about 4 kg may seem rather large, but, on the other hand, for weapons with a bulpap layout that is eternally suffering from USM diseases due to the “long thrust” problem, this value can be considered an achievement. In addition, USM X95 has a pronounced "dry descent" with a small trigger stroke, which is very fast and sharp. As they say in the West, it works, as if “fragile glass” is breaking.

The trigger mechanism, reminiscent of the Kalashnikov assault rifle, is mounted in a removable module, located between the pistol grip and the shaft of the store. It can be separated within a few seconds by knocking out two large axes, which makes life much easier for both the shooter (for example, when cleaning a heavily polluted rifle) and military gunsmith during the repair and maintenance of weapons.


Shop
The two-way button of the store is located above the trigger and is activated by the index finger. It is covered with a small visor to prevent accidental pressing. The button connects to the latch of the store with a long barrage. X95 uses regular STANAG 4179 magazines from M16 rifles containing 30 cartridges. It is believed that such a unification significantly reduces logistics costs.

Of course, joining a magazine with a rifle “bulpap” scheme is not so convenient and takes a little longer than that of a classical scheme weapon. The IDF see a solution to this problem in intensive training: when retraining from M16 / M4 rifles to TAR-21 and X95, young soldiers perform exercises consisting in multiple (more than a hundred times) joining / separating the store. With their help, muscular memory is developed, which allows to achieve high speed and develop the automatism of this operation, including in stressful conditions.

Sights and other accessories

The main rifle sight is mounted on the more elevated rear of the upper Picatinny rail. Most often, they are the Mepro MOR collimator sight, which is a combination of the “red dot” sight and LCC, capable of operating both in the visible and in the IR range. This device is equivalent to the AN / PEQ-2 standard US sight and US Special Forces, and was developed by Mepro specifically for the Israeli army. It has an 4 operating mode: “active collimator”, “passive collimator”, “visible laser” and “invisible laser”. The “passive collimator” mode is always available and allows the sight to work without a power source. In case of insufficient lighting, the “active collimator” mode is used, by connecting batteries, it intensifies the glow intensity of the “red dot” aiming mark. In urban battles at a short distance, the "visible laser" mode is used, and in cases where stealth is needed, the "invisible laser" mode is used. To activate, for example, a laser, it is not necessary to reach for the power button located on the device itself. An alternative way to turn on and off the LCC can be the so-called remote PTT button, which has a wireless connection to the controlled device and can be mounted on the velcro in any place of the weapon where it is convenient for the shooter.

At the rear of the Picatinny rail is a mechanical sight, which is integral with the polymer hull. It is shot at 300 m and is a backup, used only in case of malfunctioning of optoelectronic sights. In addition, the Meprolight MX3 triple-rifle can be used with the rifle, which is used for firing at extended distances, as well as Mepro Minimon-I and II Gen nighttime passive IR sights, which can be used in combination with ordinary day collimators. And although there is still a more advanced Mepro Minimon-Gen Gen night-vision device, which allows to act only when illuminated from the starry sky, the IDF leadership believes that the I and II Gen models are quite comfortable with the armed forces, since the Israeli army conducts actions mainly in populated areas, where and at night there are enough light sources for effective use of night sights I and II generation.

To the additional accessories X95 belongs the bayonet. It is attached directly to the flame arrester.

Disassembly

The incomplete decomposition of the X95 is very simple. After separating the store and checking the contents of the chamber, it is necessary to knock out the pin fixing the back plate, and the latter leans back, opening access to the inside of the receiver. Then you need to grab the plastic buffer with your fingers, which holds the return spring and its guide rod, and remove all moving parts from the receiver. This incomplete disassembly is considered complete. In fact, X95 understands the field conditions into only two large parts: the barrel with the receiver and the bolt group. No small parts, axes, pins that can be easily lost.

Modifications

The X95 rifle can transform into a 9 x 19 mm submachine gun, firing from a closed bolt. This modification is indicated by the index X95 SMG. The kit for such a remake includes the barrel, bolt and adapter to the shaft of the store, providing the use of standard 32-charging stores from the Uzi submachine gun. The barrel of a submachine gun does not have a vapor device and differs in the size of the barrel and rifling. Of course, the shutter does not have a swivel head.

There is also the option of a submachine gun under the designation X95-S, equipped with an integrated silencer. Due to the special design, it does not require the use of special subsonic ammunition, but allows you to shoot with regular regular 9 x 19 mm cartridges with supersonic initial speed.

There is a possibility of performance of the X95 in other calibers, in particular, experienced versions have already been created for the 5,45 x 39 mm (X95-R) cartridge and even the 7,62 x 51 mm HATO. The latest version is the response of IWI to the negative experience that the US Army gained in Afghanistan and Iraq, and the IDF during the last war in Lebanon. In these regions, where there is a huge drug market, soldiers often had to deal with an adversary under the influence of narcotic and psychoactive substances. The stopping effect of cartridges of caliber 5,56 mm for such purposes in some cases turned out to be insufficient, hence the desire to have a weapon for more powerful ammunition. The X95-L version is distinguished by the use of a barrel extended by 50 mm. Most likely, its appearance is explained by the interests of the civilian market, primarily the United States, where in some states there is a restriction on the length of the trunk.

The latest version of the X95 family is the X95 Flattop (“flat top”), which differs only in the execution of the Picatinny top rail, which does not have a “step” and thus allows mounting a wider range of optoelectronic devices and accessories.

Countries

India. The Indian version ХХNUMX, which received the designation “Zittara”, was developed by specialists of the state enterprise Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) of the Ministry of Defense of India for use in national special forces. It differs from the Israeli version of Zittara in the presence of three configurations for different types of ammunition: a carbine chambered for 95 x 5,56 mm (Indian-made ammunition shortened .30 Rem, used in the AMOGH carbine), an assault rifle of the 223 x 5,56 mm caliber and a submachine gun caliber 45 x 9 mm.

USA. During the development of a new rifle, a number of US special forces units (special forces of the US Army, US Navajo SEALS, and others) acquired the Micro-Tavor MTAR-21 rifles for evaluation tests. These tests were carried out in order to decide on the adoption of this sample into service.

Ukraine. The Vinnitsa KNPO “Fort” of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine and the IWI company in 2008 announced the creation of a joint venture for the licensed production of TAR-21 “Tavor” rifles and their modifications. December 23 2009, by decree No. 1577 of the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine, these samples were adopted by the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Their number includes the X95 rifle, which received the Ukrainian designation "Fort-224". The Israeli company supplies parts and parts to Ukraine, while Fort KNPO produces the remaining components and assembles weapons.

Summary

So, in the form of ХХNUMX, the IDF special forces received small arms of the new generation - a modular multi-caliber system, which, depending on the tasks, can be transformed into different types of weapons - an assault rifle, a carbine, a submachine gun. The X95 has an excellent balance, thanks to which the rifle can fire even if it is held with one hand. The design of the rifle is different originality, as evidenced by several patents obtained by the authors X95 in the process of its creation. The widespread use of plastics makes weapons easy and cheapens the process of its manufacture. The results of the tests that the X95 has undergone at the design, development and commissioning stage, including various comparative, ergonomic and field tests, look quite convincingly and impressively. Their program was so diverse and extensive that I did not dare to bring it in a journal article, so as not to tire with such a long list of readers. It should be noted here that the IWI designers follow the traditions of the Soviet arms school, which placed the main priority in designing weapons for their reliability and ability to pass through the hearth of a complex system of various acceptance tests.

And another feature of the new Israeli development. When creating the X95, IWI also tried to design a rifle that was as simple as possible in terms of operation. According to the developers, most of the operations for maintaining the life cycle of a rifle should be carried out directly in the army, by the battalion repair platoons, and only in cases of particularly serious malfunctions the rifle is sent to repair units of a higher level. This is quite logical if we consider that the X95 is a weapon designed for special forces, which is used much more intensively than ordinary infantry weapons. In addition, the desire of special-purpose units to be as independent as possible from parts and divisions of services is completely understandable.
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  1. makarov
    makarov 4 December 2013 08: 45
    +2
    The material is certainly informative and useful, but it should be admitted that the author's conclusion boils down to one thing, about the possibility of unification of Tavor. So this technique is not new, many CRM samples from the times of the USSR bear the "stamp of unification", and there is no novelty in this.
  2. Stinger
    Stinger 4 December 2013 08: 57
    12
    Yes, it was not in vain that Nitanyahu thanked Russia for acquiring highly qualified engineering personnel.
    1. carbofo
      carbofo 5 December 2013 12: 23
      +1
      Here is a scoundrel :), on the other hand, our engineers set up a netanyahu, he thinks that he has normal weapons and will defend himself, and meanwhile the engineers will dump away from sin, leaving them fighting off hordes of monkeys in splendid isolation, albeit with good weapons.
  3. avt
    avt 4 December 2013 10: 22
    +8
    The Tula roll A-91M, although without newfangled interchangeable trunks, is no worse, but the closest relative is ADS, in general a masterpiece! There are no different plastic gadgets, but it is reliable and practical.
    1. Timeout
      Timeout 4 December 2013 10: 34
      0
      And the descent at Tavor is something with something, a short butt and constant troubles with reloading. All the jambs of the rolls in bulk ... As you call a weapon, he will shoot.
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 4 December 2013 10: 59
        +3
        Theme video


  4. DuraLexSedLex.
    DuraLexSedLex. 4 December 2013 10: 57
    +3
    The flock is not complete no modification X95 MERON)))))
    This is not a big refinement, the character himself. Here is the picture)


    You can read more about the modification right here on the site
    http://topwar.ru/23024-novyy-izrailskiy-avtomat-meron.html
    Although in principle it is more likely an automatic machine in itself, other sources indicate that this is a modification)
    Below is already in iron, so to speak.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 4 December 2013 11: 51
      0
      These are just fantasies about the future.
      1. DuraLexSedLex.
        DuraLexSedLex. 4 December 2013 12: 35
        0
        And the article is also a fantasy.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 4 December 2013 12: 42
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          Read the article carefully. This is how Versia Military Design, an army design company, sees the look of the future assault rifle. And there again, it is clearly indicated that this is a concept. Have you seen many concept cars that have reached the initial form of production?
          1. Mister X
            Mister X 4 December 2013 14: 25
            +2
            Versia Military Design, engaged in army design, sees the appearance of the future machine.

            Support!
            On the manufacturer's website in the X95 Assault Rifle / Carbine / SMG section
            nothing is said about the modification of MERON.

            And I didn’t see anything so revolutionary in X95.
            Build Bullpup? Plastic case? Change of tables?
            So it is used in Steyr AUG a long time ago.

            And about the ejection of cartridges both to the right and to the left -
            so at Beretta ARX-160 this function is performed easier:
            no screws or plastic plugs.
    2. dmitry21
      dmitry21 5 December 2013 08: 30
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      as it should be: this copy, MERON, was developed by Versia Military Design, not IWI (formerly IMI). and the word "design" in the title says a lot.
  5. vomag
    vomag 4 December 2013 11: 54
    +3
    Yeah, it looks extremely ominous and cool, but they just take me into doubts! (I don't like bulpups, but I'm not talking about that) the whole conversation revolves around the FIGHT IN THE CITY FOR CLEANERS, etc. they are not going to dig anymore and crawling on their belly under enemy fire is somehow not cool! schA Jews with "advanced modular multi-caliber systems" will coolly clean everything and everyone and who will fight in an open field ?? and most importantly what? Bulpups for battles at medium and long distances, as tests show, it's not ICE!
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 4 December 2013 12: 02
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      I had a chance to feel the first versions in 2002. Incredibly convenient device. This is the first. Secondly, the fact that there is a sharpening under the city battles does not cancel the preparation for the usual combined arms battles - by the way, they take up the main preparation time, while at the moment, from 2 to 3 weeks on a general 6-month course is devoted to building battles , if I am not mistaken. There are no trenches, they are not going to dig. They are digging engineering units. Practicing crawling on the belly is one of the initial stages of training. They teach how to crawl, including in thorns.

      Bulap at long and medium distances which do not show ice? Bulapov dozens. If about Tavor - then he can shoot at longer distances, and very accurately. Only Marxmen who have bipods and sights are engaged in this shooting.
  6. Pimply
    Pimply 4 December 2013 11: 57
    0
    According to the article. All is well, as long as the author adheres to the facts and does not include fantasy. About the tattered militants as the main reason for the appearance of modifications under 7.62 and under 5.45 - this is strong.
    5.45 appeared at the request of Eastern European partners - more precisely, the Ukrainian Fort. 7.62 - due to market requirements. It does not have a greater stopping effect compared to 5.56 - the author would have known that if he had dug a little further. 7.62 has other advantages (as, incidentally, other disadvantages).

    The number of countries using this rifle is slightly larger.

    Well and other trifles. Although in general - very detailed and not bad.
  7. vanaheym
    vanaheym 4 December 2013 13: 56
    +2
    I shot Ukrainian-made Tavor (such as the Tavor 21 Fortress hunting carbine) - you really need to get used to it and shoot a lot to get used to it. As for me, I would prefer a weapon of traditional layout.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 4 December 2013 14: 39
      +2
      It all depends on what weapons you start to learn. IDF draftees who started with the brand changed stores at the same speed as those who worked with the M-16. Everything is a matter of habit.
      1. Timeout
        Timeout 4 December 2013 15: 11
        +5
        Eh, Eugene ... Would you run with mine, with all kinds of shooting pieces of iron. You with reverence relate to everything that is made in Israel. I'll tell you a secret, Tabor is an ordinary trunk, from a number of similar customs. There are simply no special technical know-how or outstanding engineering solutions. It is worth damaging the standard collimator, a short aiming line, wild balancing and slurred descent turns elegant pants into shorts ... Simply put, a stub for shooting up to 200 meters. But it will take a fight with the Palestinians or the Indians to raise their self-esteem ...
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 4 December 2013 15: 39
          +1
          Quote: Timeout
          Eh, Eugene ... Would you run with mine, with all kinds of shooting pieces of iron. You with reverence relate to everything that is made in Israel. I'll tell you a secret, Tabor is an ordinary trunk, from a number of similar customs. There are simply no special technical know-how or outstanding engineering solutions. It is worth damaging the standard collimator, a short aiming line, wild balancing and slurred descent turns elegant pants into shorts ... Simply put, a stub for shooting up to 200 meters. But it will take a fight with the Palestinians or the Indians to raise their self-esteem ...

          I ran. With different shooting glands. Starting from the M-1 carbine and ending with Browning. Yuzan Kalash, Galil, M-16, Sizet, Glock, Beretta and other-other-other. Shot - several thousand rounds. It was possible to keep both earlier - the year 2002, and later versions.

          So, there is really nothing special about him. This is a good, very reliable workhorse with the ability to change caliber, good balance and a reliable mechanism. I do not know what needs to be done to damage the regular collimator - I have not encountered this. But on it there are regular metal sights. I don’t know what you were teasing in your hands - but everyone considers balancing to be one of Tavor’s strengths: he literally sticks into his shoulder. I don’t know how many kilometers you were going to shoot from a standard weapon, but it is also intended for actions within 150 meters. This does not mean that it does not work further. Just use it effectively - 150 meters. And then other calibers and other types of weapons should work. So do not carry the blizzard.
          1. Timeout
            Timeout 4 December 2013 16: 12
            +3
            Eugene, do not be rude to uncle! Purga, this is when a Jewish soldier begins to beat the sappers working under the UN mandate, who clean up any explosive entrails, thrown by the IDF during their companies. Or does your inferiority complex develop when you really talk about Israel? For your information, boy, when I started my war, you poured corners at the school in the lower grades. And Tavor in his hands not only held, and there is nothing to compare. It is sometimes worth asking who you are rude, I saw how the Tsahal is fighting and does not add respect to you. Especially when Gush Shalom with Uri Anveri begins to pull all your guano out. And about the distance of fire contact rub someone else, especially with regular sights on a short base.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 4 December 2013 16: 41
              -1
              Quote: Timeout
              Eugene, do not be rude to uncle! Purga, this is when a Jewish soldier begins to beat the sappers working under the UN mandate, who clean up any explosive entrails, thrown by the IDF during their companies.

              I don’t know what kind of conflict you had with the Jewish soldiers, but as a rule, such situations arise if the actions of the very sappers and the IDF command are not coordinated. You know that you worked in the front-line zone, where terrorists regularly operate? So why are you surprised.

              Quote: Timeout
              For your information, boy, when I started my war, you poured corners at the school in the lower grades.

              Sorry, but I always preferred the toilet, since we switched to you.



              Quote: Timeout
              And Tavor in his hands not only held, and there is nothing to compare. It is sometimes worth asking who you are rude, I saw how the Tsahal is fighting and does not add respect to you. Especially when Gush Shalom with Uri Anveri begins to pull all your guano out. And about the distance of fire contact rub someone else, especially with regular sights on a short base.

              I do not know what you held and how. I know about the level of training that was given to us, and about the tactics of the Israeli army - I'm sorry, it somehow proved to be pretty good if the American marines come to study before being sent to Afghanistan or Iraq. I understand that apparently an Israeli soldier who fired at you disliked Israel - but I repeat: stop driving the blizzard.

              Tavor has very specific drawbacks and very specific advantages. Sorry, beating in hysterics and shouting "stub, stub" do not seem to me to be sound criticism, no matter how long you serve there. Avnery - who was the one who loved to have intimate conversations with Arafat in 1982, during the rampage of terrorist attacks on Israel? Can you also be a fan of Novodvorskaya? Or who else glorified Dudayev and Basayev as freedom fighters.
              1. Timeout
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                Quote: Pimply
                You know that you worked in the frontline zone

                And by the way, I had to answer open fire! According to the mandate, anyone who opened fire on an ONU employee in the area of ​​the group’s work is automatically considered a terrorist.
                Quote: Pimply
                she somehow established herself well

                But we did simpler, carried out a checkpoint to fuck you, without the use of a firearm, the vaunted army of Israel. Then, according to our report, all IDF commanders in that area were killed by cancer. And such cases are enough, in my practice at least a dozen. This despite the fact that all were warned by documents, as well as received communications alerts.
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                I do not know what you held and how.

                Kamenetsky, first go through my profile, this time. By the right of seniority only to you, these are two. You can shit in the ears of anyone on VO, but not on me, even better on Izrus. If you see a tantrum, then show me where! And then your mantras, I’m right, I’ve already gotten right. I have no hostility towards Israel, but to people like you, yes! I also met with American warriors, and three times in real battles. Mortals, and blood of the same color. And then after years you will find out that these are elite instructors.
                I already read everything about your war for a long time, judging by your works, the presence of the Vietnamese syndrome is 100%.

                Quote: Pimply
                Well, or who else there glorified Dudaev and Basaev as freedom fighters.

                You can give comparisons as you like. Well, you have respect, as far as I know, Solzhenitsyn and Sakharov. I do not like Anvery, there is still Roger Garaudy whom the Zionists call the number one enemy so far. Eugene, what happened to Israel? Or does Mossad pay more to trolls?
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 4 December 2013 19: 10
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                  And by the way, I had to answer open fire! According to the mandate, anyone who opened fire on an ONU employee in the area of ​​the group’s work is automatically considered a terrorist.

                  Are you sure? Something I doubt. According to which particular mandate? Which mission? I remember something very few UN missions that would be allowed to open any kind of fire. And something I do not recall such formulations in the mandates. Especially in the UNRWA mandate. Like UNEF II.
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                  But we did simpler, carried out a checkpoint to fuck you, without the use of a firearm, the vaunted army of Israel. Then, according to our report, all IDF commanders in that area were killed by cancer. And such cases are enough, in my practice at least a dozen. This despite the fact that all were warned by documents, as well as received communications alerts.

                  How beautiful and how vague. All cancer! 8) Bravo.

                  Quote: Timeout
                  Kamenetsky, first go through my profile, this time. By the right of seniority only to you, these are two.

                  And what is going on it, familiar you are mine. It's empty there. Like, in general, and in this stream of words. Excuse me, but should I be impressed by the chevron of the 173rd separate GRU special forces detachment?

                  Quote: Timeout
                  If you see a tantrum, then show me where! And then your mantras, I’m right, I’ve already gotten right. I have no hostility towards Israel, but to people like you, yes! I also met with American warriors, and three times in real battles. Mortals, and blood of the same color. And then after years you will find out that these are elite instructors.

                  To me the farther, the funnier, forgive me.

                  Quote: Timeout
                  Well, you have respect, as far as I know, Solzhenitsyn and Sakharov.

                  Who do you have? Are you generalizing me with someone? With whom exactly does a fan of terrorist fans generalize me?
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                    And something I do not recall such formulations in the mandates.

                    What do you have to remember? UN Mine Clearance Service UNMAS (UNMAS) misses the articles of international humanitarian law. All units of sappers are private UN accreditation companies declared by UN military groups and are employees of UNMAS. According to the rules and regulations of the mine clearance service, any employee who has been subjected to an armed attack in the event of a threat to his life or his colleagues has the right to open fire to kill. The area of ​​work of deminers is declared demilitarized, in case of crossing the border demilitarized by armed groups that pose a threat to life, the personnel of the mine clearance service are disarmed, and physical resistance is allowed when resistance is rendered. And they did everything after your valiant sniper shot the UN humanitarian employee Jan Hook in the back. The UNEF II mandate has not been in effect for a long time, for thirty years, and UNRWA has nothing to do with UNMAS, it is a humanitarian agency.
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                      Excuse me, but should I be impressed by the chevron of the 173rd separate GRU special forces detachment?

                      Why should I impress you? You were already impressed with your hedgehogs in your war! And this chevron has been given 15 years of life, and I'm proud of it.
                      Quote: Pimply
                      To me the farther, the funnier, forgive me.

                      You can laugh, but you can not. In Russia they do not take offense at holy fools, but regret it.
                      I laugh at your involvement in conflicts. When I personally saw how you are fighting, it is very impressive. And who then can you prepare? The elite of the American army?
                      Quote: Pimply

                      Who do you have? Are you generalizing me with someone? With whom exactly does a fan of terrorist fans generalize me?

                      The enemy of our enemy, our friend. Common truth, despite the fact that all these are real Jews, not repatriates. Do you have to talk about this? Dumped from Israel, to see something did not grow together. Or are you an ordinary alien (VUS: Internet Troll)? In your case, you don’t have to shine at all and sit quietly like a mouse on a broom.
    2. Timeout
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      The strangest thing, I will fully support you! Tabor has all the problems of his classmates.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 4 December 2013 15: 43
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        Tavor. Or Tar-21. Favor is a mountain. The problems are yes. As well as their own merits.
        1. Timeout
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          Tavor. Or Tar-21. Tabor is a mountain

          As always, let's try to see what we have with the name.
          The name or name of Mount Tavor does not have a direct translation, and in sources such as Tanah (Old Testament) all is mentioned with the same name.
          Josephus in the Judean War, Tabor calls Itavirion.
          There are suggestions that the name comes from the word Tabur, which means - Navel, they say Mount Tavor is also sticking out over the Valley of Israel, like the navel of a baby over his stomach.
          If you look in the neighboring Arabic language, then there Tavor is called Jabel A-Tour, which in a free translation means High Mountain.
          Tavor (Tabor) is located south of the Nazareth mountain range of lower Galilee and on the edge of the Israel Valley.

          The most well-read, right? Damn, almost 6 months in the Gaza Strip mine clearance was carried out, and in order not to hear the name of the mountain! Haha three times!
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 4 December 2013 16: 33
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            Tabor - the Russian name for the mountain, which in Hebrew is pronounced Tabor.

            Tavor - the well-known name of the machine both in foreign languages ​​and in Russian.

            Quote: Timeout
            The most well-read, right? Damn, almost 6 months in the Gaza Strip mine clearance was carried out, and in order not to hear the name of the mountain! Haha three times!

            We are not talking about grief, but about the machine. And his name in Russian is Tavor.
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              Quote: Pimply
              Tabor - the Russian name for the mountain, which in Hebrew is pronounced Tabor.


              Yeah, it means Tavor, it’s not a mountain, but an automaton! Well, well ... It's easier to kill yourself against the wall. Eugene, so in honor of what was the machine named?
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 4 December 2013 19: 27
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                Quote: Pimply
                Tabor - the Russian name for the mountain, which in Hebrew is pronounced Tabor.


                Yeah, it means Tavor, it’s not a mountain, but an automaton! Well, well ... It's easier to kill yourself against the wall. Eugene, so in honor of what was the machine named?

                The machine gun was named after Mount Tabor (in Hebrew, Tavor). But the name of the machine in the generally accepted transcription, if you still do not understand this, is Tavor. Or TAR-21. Your ongoing attempts to call the automatic machine Favor is an indicator of illiteracy and arrogance.
              2. atalef
                atalef 4 December 2013 19: 36
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                It's easier to kill yourself against the wall. Eugene, so in honor of what was the machine named?

                In general, when Jesus as the messiah returns to earth, he will descend from heaven just to Mount Tavor, at the foot of which there is a field in the bible referred to as Armagedon (although it is actually named for Mount Megido) Ar Megido (Hebrew)
                At the top of Mount Tavor is a beautiful monastery in my opinion of the Franciscans. Make wonderful wine and olive oil - and wait good
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 4 December 2013 19: 55
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                  Sanya, you are trying to smooth the corners. Tabor and Tabor are one and the same, and pimply simultaneously agreeing, he insists on the differences. What's the point? request
                  P.S. Peacekeeping message appreciated. hi
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 4 December 2013 21: 28
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                    . Tabor and Tabor are one and the same, and pimply simultaneously agreeing, he insists on the differences. What's the point?
                    generally the same thing. Just different transcriptions. like Armageddon and Ar megido, Hippo and Beemot.
                    The same eggs - only in profile. hi
  8. alex-cn
    alex-cn 4 December 2013 15: 36
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    I do not understand what they have, and on a mini bayonet? Then this is something ...
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 4 December 2013 15: 43
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      Where did you spot the bayonet?
  9. alex-cn
    alex-cn 4 December 2013 15: 53
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    The article clearly says that there is an opportunity to join a bayonet, does this apply to everyone, or only to the full-sized version?
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 4 December 2013 16: 43
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      The Israeli army refused bayonets. Hypothetically, there is an opportunity. Practically - you will not find a bayonet for her.
    2. Witold
      Witold 4 December 2013 23: 42
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      India ordered Tavor with a mandatory bayonet mount from FM.
  10. Evgeny_Lev
    Evgeny_Lev 4 December 2013 17: 21
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    It is unclear why pimply constantly praises Israeli weapons ((
    Does he think that there is a club of potential buyers?

    Then it’s better to chant on Hindu sites.
    1. Timeout
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      He's probably an IWI traveling salesman and Mossad field troll.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 4 December 2013 19: 30
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        He's probably an IWI traveling salesman and Mossad field troll.

        Of course. It's so beautiful to say stupid things
    2. builder
      builder 4 December 2013 19: 21
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      It was strange if he constantly scolded him.
    3. Pimply
      Pimply 4 December 2013 19: 29
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      Why constantly praise the Russian? Or to blame the American?

      I stand for a sober assessment of weapons, and not for tantrums on the national grounds, excuse me. A sober assessment of the case I see here is extremely rare.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 4 December 2013 19: 57
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        I stand for a sober assessment of weapons, and not for tantrums on the national grounds, excuse me.

        Do not scare me, otherwise I will think that you have a split personality. laughing
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 4 December 2013 21: 25
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          Don’t scare me, otherwise I’ll think that you have a split personality

          Is this the only thing you could come up with? 8) Witty to impossibility.
  11. gecko
    gecko 4 December 2013 18: 34
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    Yuzal Fort224. It’s convenient to hold and grab yourself. But it was inconvenient for me to reload and the weight for some reason was more than that of Kalash
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 4 December 2013 19: 13
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      About 3.5 kg.
  12. marshes
    marshes 4 December 2013 18: 39
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    My question is, where can I shoot in Israel, a tourist?
    Just Egypt, Thailand closed. Han Nan, Goa-no desire to go.
    At the expense of the visa, the old passports were changed, where were the UAE and Egypt, I hope let the citizens of Kazakhstan. smile
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 4 December 2013 19: 12
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      There are shooting galleries

      Centr of Canada, for example.

      But in general - here.

      http://gde.co.il/category/poleznaya-informaciya/tir/
      1. marshes
        marshes 4 December 2013 19: 22
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        But what about the account of the citizens of Kazakhstan, I haven’t submitted any documents yet, the elder little brother .... well, I hope you understand.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 4 December 2013 19: 31
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          I don’t know, as far as I remember - quite freely. Someone from acquaintances shot. From PPSh it is possible to cheat.
          1. marshes
            marshes 4 December 2013 19: 49
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            Well, I also shot from PPSh and other "devices", just hunting from the locals to stay.
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 4 December 2013 19: 58
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        Quote: Pimply
        There are shooting galleries

        Centr of Canada, for example.

        Expensive?
        1. marshes
          marshes 4 December 2013 20: 10
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          The thing can be settled? Although the wife can "break".
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 4 December 2013 20: 23
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            Quote: marshes
            although the wife can "break".

            Sometimes you need to keep her in ignorance. Well, type- I went to drink beer ... laughing
            1. marshes
              marshes 4 December 2013 20: 40
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              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Sometimes you need to keep her in ignorance. Well type- I went to drink beer

              How to keep it in ignorance, there a national line pops up, you know everything. Deutsch. With other relatives, the older one helps easier. laughing This is probably the most I nursed with her in childhood. laughing Probably not many relatives can understand.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 4 December 2013 21: 21
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                Quote: marshes
                nationality pops up, know everything. Deutsch

                Yes, sheer genocide. laughing Well, I wish you that the found father’s nest egg does not turn into maternal capital. drinks
                1. marshes
                  marshes 4 December 2013 21: 48
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                  Yes, sheer genocide.

                  At the expense of genocide, I want to carefully speak out, no matter how Kazakh I am.
                  At the expense of maternity capital, we do not have it. Although I have two brave guys laughing and my wife decided to do my daughter, although our younger sons live with my parents, and with grandparents, this is a problem. laughing
                  Now I think as an elder to study ... send and how much it will cost me. Medicine. Owner, I, several apartments that are for rent.
                  But in Duisburg it’s boring.
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 4 December 2013 21: 39
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            Bucks? Well, depending on how much and what to shoot from 8)
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 4 December 2013 21: 39
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          Depends on the program, on cartridges. On average 9mm 50 rounds - 25-30 bucks. Rent a gun - 10-20 bucks, depending on the pestle. Short course - 30 bucks. Of the larger guns - 80 bucks for 50 rounds of 7.62, say.
          1. marshes
            marshes 4 December 2013 21: 58
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            I’ll settle the matter, what you produce, pistols are not interesting, a machine gun and a rifle. all for interest. Stupidly in Vietnam, I shot.
        3. igor67
          igor67 5 December 2013 00: 41
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          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Quote: Pimply
          There are shooting galleries

          Centr of Canada, for example.

          Expensive?

          Not really, http://world.lib.ru/d/denis_p/merkazkanadakatoktirspabassejn.shtml
      3. Witold
        Witold 4 December 2013 23: 35
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        Quote: Pimply
        Centr of Canada, for example.

        Long away. There is in Tel Aviv near the Ayalon Kenyon, in Rishon, in Netanya, in Ashdod, in Haifa and Ber Sheva.
  13. Witold
    Witold 4 December 2013 23: 28
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    Yes, it was not in vain that Nitanyahu thanked Russia for acquiring highly qualified engineering personnel.


    Tavor created Zalman Shebs, who was born in Hungary and repatriated to Izril at the age of 5.

    Everything IWI released went through my hands
  14. Jack7691
    Jack7691 5 December 2013 18: 02
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    Full X.
    How can one compare the G36 and this X with a gas piston? It's like comparing an orange and a triangle. And the fact that this piston (and the shutter) is licked with AK is probably noticeable somehow solid ...
    And as long as the Jews receive M16 for 95 bucks, there will be no rearmament with new weapons. Will supply for the special forces little by little.
    1. Katsin1
      Katsin1 6 December 2013 00: 36
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      Nonsense. 4 out of 5 infantry brigades have already moved to Tabor