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China can not yet start large-scale production of fighter j-11B BS

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China can not yet start large-scale production of fighter j-11B BS

The Canadian military magazine Kanwa Defense Review recently published an article publishing satellite images and other available information regarding the production of J-11B / BS fighters in China, mil.news.sina.com.cn. informs today.


The magazine writes that the J-11B and BS (single and double fighters based on the Su-27SK / UB, manufactured in China under the J-11 index - approx. “VP”) still have not passed the entire test cycle and so far encounter technical problems, such as increased shaking in flight. The plane made its first flight in 2006, then mass production was organized, but judging by satellite photographs, in April 2009 there were only 16 of them, in April 2010 21 more cars were added to them, and in March 2011 their number increased by 25 units (of which 14 were painted aviation Navy). The slow pace of production may be due to the fact that the J-11BS are being retrofitted with Chinese WS-10A engines. On the other hand, the color of the aircraft in the colors of the Navy suggests that some technical problems have been resolved.

Thus, in six years of production, the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation issued the entire X-NUMX of the J-62B / BS aircraft. But their number may be somewhat less, since aircraft can be duplicated on satellite photo. In 11, the corporation was still engaged in the release of the J-2011F fighter jets, which means that the J-8B / S and J-11 aircraft (a copy of the Su-16МКХNUMX - note “VP”) cannot replace them. According to the publication, J-30 is at the stage of testing and refinement. The lack of heavy fighters forces the Chinese Air Force to import Su-2 fighters from Russia, the magazine writes.
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  1. Airman
    Airman 3 December 2013 11: 50
    +9
    Copy engines even the Chinas can not afford. And to develop something weakly new by ourselves. While they are building up their scientific potential, ditched by the cultural revolution, they still hiccup.
    1. Andrey57
      Andrey57 3 December 2013 12: 30
      12
      Copying alone won't do anything. we also need technology. The simplest example with the hijacking of a MiG-25 - mattress mats first carried out a test flight to determine the speed, then they completely disassembled the engine, made drawings, then assembled and measured the engine thrust, the data obtained was taken as the basis for the design of the F-15, as a result it turned out that this aircraft the MiG cannot "reach" either in speed or in height, the "little trick" was that the finishing galvanic treatment was carried out with the turbine blades already installed, using special current modes, and without this up to 20% of the power is lost. This is without taking into account technologies for obtaining heat-resistant alloys. hi
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 3 December 2013 14: 35
        +5
        MIG-25 vs F-15. Guys, finish already with this nonsense. The F-15 flew earlier than the MIG. And they cannot be compared in any way. The American is a heavy fighter-bomber, our MIG is a long-range interceptor.
        1. typhoon7
          typhoon7 3 December 2013 16: 49
          +7
          Sorry, enlighten please. In 1967 three 25s flew, and when did the F-15 fly? Maybe you are confused with the 31st?
        2. typhoon7
          typhoon7 3 December 2013 17: 02
          +1
          The first flight of the experimental F-15 fighter took place on July 27, 1972. Ours at that time in the 25s flew well over Israel.
          1. Pashhenko Nikolay
            Pashhenko Nikolay 3 December 2013 18: 03
            0
            Belenko washed off in 1976 when the needles went into the series.
        3. BBM
          BBM 3 December 2013 18: 35
          +6
          Quote: Wedmak
          F-15 flew earlier than MIG

          but not Che, so the prototype Mig-25 first flew in 1963(especially for the blind with a bold) and began to enter the troops in the early 70s. The F-15 in its primary form is a clean aircraft of gaining air supremacy + with a very high voltage of effort, the interceptor is able to get the MiG-25 on its working ceiling (but still not reaching the maximum speed)
          in short, the comment shows the level of local "marshals"
    2. evgenii67
      evgenii67 3 December 2013 12: 39
      +3
      Slow pace ????? don't count in six years "Thus, over six years of production, Shenyang Aircraft Corporation has produced only 62 J-11B / BS aircraft." and read "in April 2010, another 21 cars were added to them, in March 2011 their number increased by 25 units"those. for two years 46 units.
      1. avg
        avg 3 December 2013 23: 30
        +3
        "in April 2010, another 21 cars were added to them, in March 2011 their number increased by 25 units" that is. 46 units in two years.

        As the party of our engines came, so did the aircraft.
    3. Lesnik
      Lesnik 3 December 2013 23: 25
      +2
      It is for these very "spatulas" of the State Prize that they receive wink
  2. svp67
    svp67 3 December 2013 11: 52
    +5
    J-11B and BS (single and double fighters, based on the Su-27SK / UB, manufactured in China under the J-11 index - approx. “VP”) still have not passed the entire test cycle and are still facing technical problems , for example, increased shaking in flight.
    Some kind of song .... let's see what they can do with "Bison", that's where there are problems in terms of vibration ...
    1. Guun
      Guun 3 December 2013 12: 25
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      what will they do with the "Bison"

      So they bought all the documents from Ukraine and everything that is on it, plus their specialists will take part in the construction of these ships in China.
      1. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 3 December 2013 13: 30
        +4
        All this is futile, remember at least the war in Mongolia, the Japanese tried to copy the captured ShKAS, well, they copied it, and the rate of fire turned out to be half as low.
        1. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 3 December 2013 13: 34
          +4
          If you stupidly copy that guano, but if in the process of multiple copying you master technologies, grow specialists, and make improvements, then, as they say, the copy can exceed the original.
          1. Kyrgyz
            Kyrgyz 3 December 2013 20: 55
            0
            Quote: tilovaykrisa
            If you stupidly copy that guano, but if in the process of multiple copying you master technologies, grow specialists, and make improvements, then, as they say, the copy can exceed the original.

            give a couple of examples of how the copy exceeded the original, otherwise I can’t remember anything
            1. sonovlad
              sonovlad 3 December 2013 23: 40
              0
              forgive generously, but examples of the car: japs ​​have a saying -










              invented in the USA thought up in Japan
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      2. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 3 December 2013 13: 32
        +1
        Well, let's see what Ukrainian experts in the bison will advise them there, those who designed and built it all most likely or aren't alive or have been doing other things for a long time.
      3. Civil
        Civil 3 December 2013 14: 35
        0
        These "Europeans" sold everything down to the Bison equipment
  3. Christian
    Christian 3 December 2013 12: 04
    +2
    There is no need to doubt, they will bring to mind. Examples are a lot. When there is a state and the will of the people, everything will be.
  4. ramin_serg
    ramin_serg 3 December 2013 12: 17
    0
    I think they’ll do it, but how long will it take recourse
    1. Migari
      Migari 3 December 2013 12: 30
      +1
      That’s for sure, they’ll do it over time, but for now
      The lack of heavy fighters forces the Chinese air force to import Su-35 fighters from Russia, the magazine writes.
    2. rolik2
      rolik2 3 December 2013 17: 13
      +2
      Quote: ramin_serg
      I think they’ll do it, but how long will it take

      Much less than producing from scratch.
  5. queen
    queen 3 December 2013 12: 42
    +1
    Quote: Guun
    AK bought all the documents from Ukraine

    so Chinese and Ukraine MOV))))) it will be a mischief))))
  6. Ihrek
    Ihrek 3 December 2013 12: 43
    +2
    Copy they are experts of course. I hope while they copy and refine, ours will come up with something completely new. And in any case, "copy" = "cheap Chinese counterfeit"
    1. AVV
      AVV 3 December 2013 15: 04
      0
      Tear off, a lot of mind is not necessary, but to make sure that it still works is a problem for them !!! Therefore, espionage for technology comes to the fore !!!
  7. Odysseus
    Odysseus 3 December 2013 12: 53
    +3
    Some kind of crooked article. If in March 2011, only according to satellite photographs, the J-11B had 62 aircraft, then why did it happen that in December 2013 there were 62 of them?
    Moreover, the pace of production increased all the time. Based on this, we can estimate the lower limit of the current number of J-11B in 100 pieces.
    The J-8F cannot be opposed to the J-11B in any way since the J-8 plays a rather specific role of a clean interceptor in Chinese aviation and the J-8F changes the early versions of the same J-8.
    As for the Su-35, then the 24 aircraft that China wants to buy is for their Air Force like an elephant crumb (initially they wanted to buy only 4 aircraft). It is clear that first of all they need an engine from the Su-35.
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  9. major071
    major071 3 December 2013 13: 01
    +4
    We can judge about the Chinese aviation industry only by the publications in the Western press, and this is not true, as well as the publications of China itself - they are also those "scribblers", they will ascribe there, in another place they will cut it off. I think that our SVR is working in this direction, and we have all the full calculations on the state of the PRC aviation.
  10. rrrd
    rrrd 3 December 2013 13: 36
    +4
    they can't copy it! and to be honest, you can minus me! but China praises itself too much, I have a doubt about their weapons, both in quality and combat effectiveness. now you tell us that we started with the same. and I will say we had the experience of the Second World War. and later the "base"
    1. twister
      twister 3 December 2013 14: 09
      0
      They praise everything, and I think so. Their only powerful weapon is a well-trained, numerous manpower. I think so.
      1. HAM
        HAM 3 December 2013 14: 45
        0
        What is not done with their hands, they still do better.
  11. just exp
    just exp 3 December 2013 14: 23
    +1
    Well this is not to sew sneakers, then experience is needed.
    recently there was "news" from 12 years old that they developed a superalloy for aircraft engines, but things are still there.
  12. predator.3
    predator.3 3 December 2013 14: 25
    0
    still have not passed the entire test cycle and still face technical problems, for example, increased shaking in flight.

    They told the khunkhuz in Russian, better buy finished products! No, this is not enough for them, everything needs to be "otkserit", how grit, for which they fought, and ran into it! fool
  13. silver_roman
    silver_roman 3 December 2013 14: 39
    +2
    well, to hell with them ... you can’t sell them the Su-35. won the s-300 and copied Turkey vpar ...
    Or develop tough contractual measures to curb copying and further exportation !!!
  14. Basilevs
    Basilevs 3 December 2013 15: 03
    +1
    Yeah. In the 90s, we sold these chineses our best technologies. And now look what’s going on: our officials are going to China to rest. Business has gone to China because it is profitable there, but what will happen next ?! Right now they will increase their military power and go to war against us. In order not to get involved in a protracted war with the United States. We are close. you just need to cross the river. You can read more about all this in the book of Maxim Kalashnikov
    "Tsunami of the 2010s".
    1. Basilevs
      Basilevs 6 December 2013 18: 22
      0
      Please ignore this illiterate comment. Outside interference.
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  16. propolsky
    propolsky 3 December 2013 15: 35
    +2
    nevertheless, it is necessary to modify something with a file so that later they could not repeat the technology.
  17. USNik
    USNik 3 December 2013 16: 16
    +2
    Quote: silver_roman
    well, to hell with them ... you can’t sell them the Su-35. won the s-300 and copied Turkey vpar ...
    Or develop tough contractual measures to curb copying and further exportation !!!

    Well, the fact that they copied as best they could and sold what happened to India does not mean the good efficiency of these complexes. It will be fun for the Indians if the "fake" S-300s let a couple of Pakistani attack aircraft go where they don't need to. Miser pays twice.
    1. just exp
      just exp 3 December 2013 17: 26
      +4
      But did the Indians buy from the Chinese?
      they seem to be in conflict with China.
  18. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 3 December 2013 16: 30
    +2
    Quote: twister
    They praise everything, and I think so. Their only powerful weapon is a well-trained, numerous manpower. I think so.

    Well, about this one can argue, the latest exercises in China with ours have shown that not everything is so beautiful in their garden. And their army is not so big. 2500000 and they are going to reduce it. The fact is that almost 1/3 consists of a rather strange composition. A battalion of gardeners, a company of hairdressers, huge agricultural parts, and so on. This was commanded by Mao and the Chinese admit this and want to fix it. The number of high-tech parts is not as high as it seems. But the mobile reserve is yes.
  19. typhoon7
    typhoon7 3 December 2013 17: 30
    +2
    The USSR (now Russia) and the United States have been honing technology in military aircraft for decades. Not all that the Chinese stole they can reproduce. In some engines, alloys, casting, stamping technologies, for them it’s hemorrhoids for about 10 years. While it’s easier for them to buy them.
  20. Finoll
    Finoll 3 December 2013 18: 35
    0
    I can only say one thing, after talking with European partners, they are afraid of them like fire. They rely only on us. ☺
  21. Finoll
    Finoll 3 December 2013 18: 35
    +1
    I can only say one thing, after talking with European partners, they are afraid of them like fire. They rely only on us. ☺
  22. d_trader
    d_trader 3 December 2013 19: 50
    0
    There was an article recently "The US and China will dominate the world military aviation." Ay author? Where are your comments? laughing
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 3 December 2013 20: 27
      +1
      Quote: d_trader
      There was an article recently "The US and China will dominate the world military aviation."

      Was the article from the Canadian science fiction department? You can copy the shape of the fuselage, and you have to develop everything else yourself. That's where the Chinese broke the firewood!
  23. alone
    alone 3 December 2013 22: 10
    -1
    when the state and the people work together for the good of their country, you can even turn mountains. in time they will do everything to improve the situation. they speak less. but they work very powerfully and the scope of rearmament simply causes envy.