China can not yet start large-scale production of fighter j-11B BS

The Canadian military magazine Kanwa Defense Review recently published an article publishing satellite images and other available information regarding the production of J-11B / BS fighters in China, mil.news.sina.com.cn. informs today.

The magazine writes that the J-11B and BS (single and double fighters based on the Su-27SK / UB, manufactured in China under the J-11 index - approx. “VP”) still have not passed the entire test cycle and so far encounter technical problems, such as increased shaking in flight. The plane made its first flight in 2006, then mass production was organized, but judging by satellite photographs, in April 2009 there were only 16 of them, in April 2010 21 more cars were added to them, and in March 2011 their number increased by 25 units (of which 14 were painted aviation Navy). The slow pace of production may be due to the fact that the J-11BS are being retrofitted with Chinese WS-10A engines. On the other hand, the color of the aircraft in the colors of the Navy suggests that some technical problems have been resolved.

Thus, in six years of production, the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation issued the entire X-NUMX of the J-62B / BS aircraft. But their number may be somewhat less, since aircraft can be duplicated on satellite photo. In 11, the corporation was still engaged in the release of the J-2011F fighter jets, which means that the J-8B / S and J-11 aircraft (a copy of the Su-16МКХNUMX - note “VP”) cannot replace them. According to the publication, J-30 is at the stage of testing and refinement. The lack of heavy fighters forces the Chinese Air Force to import Su-2 fighters from Russia, the magazine writes.

Comments

[Airman]

Copy engines even the Chinas can not afford. And to develop something weakly new by ourselves. While they are building up their scientific potential, ditched by the cultural revolution, they still hiccup.

[Andrey57]

Copying alone won't do anything. we also need technology. The simplest example with the hijacking of a MiG-25 - mattress mats first carried out a test flight to determine the speed, then they completely disassembled the engine, made drawings, then assembled and measured the engine thrust, the data obtained was taken as the basis for the design of the F-15, as a result it turned out that this aircraft the MiG cannot "reach" either in speed or in height, the "little trick" was that the finishing galvanic treatment was carried out with the turbine blades already installed, using special current modes, and without this up to 20% of the power is lost. This is without taking into account technologies for obtaining heat-resistant alloys.

[Wedmak]

MIG-25 vs F-15. Guys, finish already with this nonsense. The F-15 flew earlier than the MIG. And they cannot be compared in any way. The American is a heavy fighter-bomber, our MIG is a long-range interceptor.

[typhoon7]

Sorry, enlighten please. In 1967 three 25s flew, and when did the F-15 fly? Maybe you are confused with the 31st?

[typhoon7]

The first flight of the experimental F-15 fighter took place on July 27, 1972. Ours at that time in the 25s flew well over Israel.

[Pashhenko Nikolay]

Belenko washed off in 1976 when the needles went into the series.

[BBM]

Quote: Wedmak

F-15 flew earlier than MIG

but not Che, so the prototype Mig-25 first flew in 1963(especially for the blind with a bold) and began to enter the troops in the early 70s. The F-15 in its primary form is a clean aircraft of gaining air supremacy + with a very high voltage of effort, the interceptor is able to get the MiG-25 on its working ceiling (but still not reaching the maximum speed)
in short, the comment shows the level of local "marshals"

[evgenii67]

Slow pace ????? don't count in six years "Thus, over six years of production, Shenyang Aircraft Corporation has produced only 62 J-11B / BS aircraft." and read "in April 2010, another 21 cars were added to them, in March 2011 their number increased by 25 units"those. for two years 46 units.

[avg]

"in April 2010, another 21 cars were added to them, in March 2011 their number increased by 25 units" that is. 46 units in two years.

As the party of our engines came, so did the aircraft.

[Lesnik]

It is for these very "spatulas" of the State Prize that they receive

[svp67]

J-11B and BS (single and double fighters, based on the Su-27SK / UB, manufactured in China under the J-11 index - approx. “VP”) still have not passed the entire test cycle and are still facing technical problems , for example, increased shaking in flight.

Some kind of song .... let's see what they can do with "Bison", that's where there are problems in terms of vibration ...

[Guun]

Quote: svp67

what will they do with the "Bison"

So they bought all the documents from Ukraine and everything that is on it, plus their specialists will take part in the construction of these ships in China.

[kartalovkolya]

All this is futile, remember at least the war in Mongolia, the Japanese tried to copy the captured ShKAS, well, they copied it, and the rate of fire turned out to be half as low.

[tilovaykrisa]

If you stupidly copy that guano, but if in the process of multiple copying you master technologies, grow specialists, and make improvements, then, as they say, the copy can exceed the original.

[Kyrgyz]

Quote: tilovaykrisa

If you stupidly copy that guano, but if in the process of multiple copying you master technologies, grow specialists, and make improvements, then, as they say, the copy can exceed the original.

give a couple of examples of how the copy exceeded the original, otherwise I can’t remember anything

[sonovlad]

forgive generously, but examples of the car: japs ​​have a saying -










invented in the USA thought up in Japan

[tilovaykrisa]

Well, let's see what Ukrainian experts in the bison will advise them there, those who designed and built it all most likely or aren't alive or have been doing other things for a long time.

[Civil]

These "Europeans" sold everything down to the Bison equipment

[Christian]

There is no need to doubt, they will bring to mind. Examples are a lot. When there is a state and the will of the people, everything will be.

[ramin_serg]

I think they’ll do it, but how long will it take

[Migari]

That’s for sure, they’ll do it over time, but for now

The lack of heavy fighters forces the Chinese air force to import Su-35 fighters from Russia, the magazine writes.

[roller2]

Quote: ramin_serg

I think they’ll do it, but how long will it take

Much less than producing from scratch.

[queen]

Quote: Guun

AK bought all the documents from Ukraine

so Chinese and Ukraine MOV))))) it will be a mischief))))

[Ihrek]

Copy they are experts of course. I hope while they copy and refine, ours will come up with something completely new. And in any case, "copy" = "cheap Chinese counterfeit"

[AVV]

Tear off, a lot of mind is not necessary, but to make sure that it still works is a problem for them !!! Therefore, espionage for technology comes to the fore !!!

[Odysseus]

Some kind of crooked article. If in March 2011, only according to satellite photographs, the J-11B had 62 aircraft, then why did it happen that in December 2013 there were 62 of them?
Moreover, the pace of production increased all the time. Based on this, we can estimate the lower limit of the current number of J-11B in 100 pieces.
The J-8F cannot be opposed to the J-11B in any way since the J-8 plays a rather specific role of a clean interceptor in Chinese aviation and the J-8F changes the early versions of the same J-8.
As for the Su-35, then the 24 aircraft that China wants to buy is for their Air Force like an elephant crumb (initially they wanted to buy only 4 aircraft). It is clear that first of all they need an engine from the Su-35.

[major071]

We can judge about the Chinese aviation industry only by the publications in the Western press, and this is not true, as well as the publications of China itself - they are also those "scribblers", they will ascribe there, in another place they will cut it off. I think that our SVR is working in this direction, and we have all the full calculations on the state of the PRC aviation.

[rrrd]

they can't copy it! and to be honest, you can minus me! but China praises itself too much, I have a doubt about their weapons, both in quality and combat effectiveness. now you tell us that we started with the same. and I will say we had the experience of the Second World War. and later the "base"

[twister]

They praise everything, and I think so. Their only powerful weapon is a well-trained, numerous manpower. I think so.

[HAM]

What is not done with their hands, they still do better.

[just exp]

Well this is not to sew sneakers, then experience is needed.
recently there was "news" from 12 years old that they developed a superalloy for aircraft engines, but things are still there.

[predator.3]

still have not passed the entire test cycle and still face technical problems, for example, increased shaking in flight.

They told the khunkhuz in Russian, better buy finished products! No, this is not enough for them, everything needs to be "otkserit", how grit, for which they fought, and ran into it!

[silver_roman]

well, to hell with them ... you can’t sell them the Su-35. won the s-300 and copied Turkey vpar ...
Or develop tough contractual measures to curb copying and further exportation !!!

[Basilevs]

Yeah. In the 90s, we sold these chineses our best technologies. And now look what’s going on: our officials are going to China to rest. Business has gone to China because it is profitable there, but what will happen next ?! Right now they will increase their military power and go to war against us. In order not to get involved in a protracted war with the United States. We are close. you just need to cross the river. You can read more about all this in the book of Maxim Kalashnikov
"Tsunami of the 2010s".

[Basilevs]

Please ignore this illiterate comment. Outside interference.

[propolsky]

nevertheless, it is necessary to modify something with a file so that later they could not repeat the technology.

[USNik]

Quote: silver_roman

well, to hell with them ... you can’t sell them the Su-35. won the s-300 and copied Turkey vpar ...
Or develop tough contractual measures to curb copying and further exportation !!!

Well, the fact that they copied as best they could and sold what happened to India does not mean the good efficiency of these complexes. It will be fun for the Indians if the "fake" S-300s let a couple of Pakistani attack aircraft go where they don't need to. Miser pays twice.

[just exp]

But did the Indians buy from the Chinese?
they seem to be in conflict with China.

[1c-inform-city]

Quote: twister

They praise everything, and I think so. Their only powerful weapon is a well-trained, numerous manpower. I think so.

Well, about this one can argue, the latest exercises in China with ours have shown that not everything is so beautiful in their garden. And their army is not so big. 2500000 and they are going to reduce it. The fact is that almost 1/3 consists of a rather strange composition. A battalion of gardeners, a company of hairdressers, huge agricultural parts, and so on. This was commanded by Mao and the Chinese admit this and want to fix it. The number of high-tech parts is not as high as it seems. But the mobile reserve is yes.

[typhoon7]

The USSR (now Russia) and the United States have been honing technology in military aircraft for decades. Not all that the Chinese stole they can reproduce. In some engines, alloys, casting, stamping technologies, for them it’s hemorrhoids for about 10 years. While it’s easier for them to buy them.

[Finoll]

I can only say one thing, after talking with European partners, they are afraid of them like fire. They rely only on us. ☺

[Finoll]

I can only say one thing, after talking with European partners, they are afraid of them like fire. They rely only on us. ☺

[d_trader]

There was an article recently "The US and China will dominate the world military aviation." Ay author? Where are your comments?

[APASUS]

Quote: d_trader

There was an article recently "The US and China will dominate the world military aviation."

Was the article from the Canadian science fiction department? You can copy the shape of the fuselage, and you have to develop everything else yourself. That's where the Chinese broke the firewood!

[alone]

when the state and the people work together for the good of their country, you can even turn mountains. in time they will do everything to improve the situation. they speak less. but they work very powerfully and the scope of rearmament simply causes envy.