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Revenge of "Europe" will be terrible ...

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The failure of President Yanukovych of the planned "European triumph of Europe" in Vilnius, which turned into a public insult to the whole "civilized world" (after all, it turns out that this very world made Ukraine an unworthy, insulting offer and received for it "spitting in the face", and from whom - from "Yanyka"!), They will not forgive him. Never: insults "barbarians" Europe has never forgiven.




No matter what happens next, even the signing of this ill-fated “association” by Yanukovych “on his knees” is insulted, and it will surely be washed off by the offender’s “blood”, in a figurative sense, of course.

Therefore, with good reasoning, Yanukovych no longer has a way to the West. It is possible that they will be “planted” for edification: and you do not insult, and do not plant our “Yul”. And then exactly in Lviv, as opposed to Kharkov. Other options, such as the strange death of B. Berezovsky in London, do not even want to argue. But you need to keep them in mind: James Bond “with the right to kill” the bad guys is an old, and not yet canceled, Western tradition.

But this is with common sense. The behavior of President Yanukovych is difficult to call common. Indeed, this is why he traveled to Vilnius? And now, they say, is going to go to Brussels. Again to talk about your difficult situation?

It seems that he does not understand that “spitting on Europe” twice is too much. In Brussels, it will be accepted only in one case: the signing of unconditional surrender, that is, “Euro-association” without any reservations. Only this can explain the consent of the European Commissioner Barroso to accept his abuser. The “Ukrainian Moor” must do its work before incurring a well-deserved punishment.

And the punishment of Ukraine, meanwhile, is in full swing. Orange forces from all over Europe poured into Ukraine, and, they say, led by Mr. Saakashvili himself. The methodology of the coup d'état on the manuals of the respected American professor Gene Sharp brings the first fruits. Her next point, after the "seizure of the street," requires the sacred sacrifice. Revolutionaries, beware: this item concerns you. The power seems to be paralyzed. Thus, the signal for the start of the main orange action could be the signing in Brussels of Yanukovych by the “Euro-association” of Ukraine.

After the "moor" of his business, his own affairs will become very bad. After that, Yanukovych will be overthrown, because the US ambassador to Ukraine himself declared that “there will be no justification for using force”. But no one will defend Yanukovych anymore.

Further, in the foreseeable future, Ukraine is plunging into chaos, see details in stories First Orange Ukrainian Revolution. But then there was no “euro-association”: with this amendment, after a short time, the industry stops and defeats, the workers of the enterprises take to the streets of the cities of the East and South of Ukraine. On this the foreseeable prospect ends.

So will Yanukovych go to Brussels?
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  1. Flinky
    Flinky 3 December 2013 08: 09
    -93 qualifying.
    I believe that if he goes, Putin will not be slow to give an order to send our troops to Ukraine. There is simply no other way out. We must protect Ukraine from geyropskih bandits.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 3 December 2013 08: 23
      47
      Quote: Flinky
      Putin will not be slow to give an order to send our troops to Ukraine.

      What for?
      1. Canep
        Canep 3 December 2013 08: 33
        18
        Quote: Alexander Romanov

        Quote: Flinky
        Putin will not be slow to give an order to send our troops to Ukraine.

        What for?

        Greetings to Alexander. Really why? This will provide an occasion for NATO to respond. I think Uraina will receive a discount on gas and loans and this will finally close the possibility for Ukraine to sign some papers in the EU.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 3 December 2013 08: 45
          53
          Quote: Canep
          This will give rise to NATO's response

          Hi hi NATO doesn’t have soldiers ready to die for democracy, especially in a war with Russia. Their army is now Islamists, but they are still busy in Syria. And we don’t need to enter the military, the population is so brainwashed that they don’t understand where white and where is black
          Quote: Canep
          I think Uraina will receive a discount on gas and loans and this will finally close the possibility for Ukraine to sign some papers in the EU.

          But does it make sense now to sign something with Ukraine, when they can stupidly overthrow Yanukovych and there will be a new government in Ukraine?
          1. ilf
            ilf 3 December 2013 08: 50
            11
            Conscripts of special forces BB and thugs
            1. 76rtbr
              76rtbr 3 December 2013 09: 45
              36
              Downs paid, no more !!!
              1. duke
                duke 3 December 2013 10: 37
                32
                These are, as a rule, not the people of Kiev, like last time, during the "orange" madness, they brought zapadentsiv, which are actively practicing the Judas silver coins ... Ask any psychiatrist, he will say that people with schizoid syndrome are very active. .. Remember how Ivanushka Bezdomny called motorcycles with machine guns ... They hope that they are expected in Europ ... they are expected, but not as equals ... Remember how in "Balzaminov's marriage" - come again, fools are welcome here ... It is curious that the most vociferous Natsiks there are the former Komsomol workers, or their active children, who used to shout - blow up and spread, and now they again call to the barricades, but the current is from the other side ... this is irony .. But still I still hope for the wisdom and prudence of our people in Ukraine ...
                1. Ivan_Ivanov
                  Ivan_Ivanov 3 December 2013 16: 53
                  18
                  In Ukraine, it is being held FRONT LINE between Russian civilization and the civilization of the West.

                  Do not stay away. Copy and distribute materials on other resources.

                  1. Spnsr
                    Spnsr 3 December 2013 17: 56
                    +1
                    reveal the truth, whom did they beat? and then in the current news about injured conscripts
                  2. chuchupaka
                    chuchupaka 3 December 2013 19: 14
                    -32 qualifying.
                    The politicians will leave, but the people will remain. Students and youth came out to the Maidan. They know what Europe is. They will soon become power and this is a matter of simple time evolution. So alas! There is no chance of "great and indivisible". 5-10 years and no one will remember either the USSR or the CIS. And there will be a usual pragmatic, sound and respectful dialogue between two equal countries of neighbors.
                    1. Ivan_Ivanov
                      Ivan_Ivanov 3 December 2013 19: 47
                      18
                      America and Russia?
                      1. duke
                        duke 3 December 2013 22: 20
                        +6
                        Chucha means Europe and Russia, because Ukraine in Europe will no longer be an independent state as it is now, what they say in Brussels, they will do yes
                    2. Farik
                      Farik 3 December 2013 19: 49
                      +8
                      Quote: chuchupaka
                      Politicians will leave and the people will remain. Students and youth took to the Maidan. They know what Europe is.

                      Do you know what Europe is? If yes, then explain to us "ignorant" what is so good there, what is not in Russia and Ukraine ???
                    3. SlavaS
                      SlavaS 3 December 2013 19: 52
                      11
                      Students and youth took to the Maidan. They know what Europe is.
                      Yes, they don’t know a damn thing, parasites and loafers, lovers of computer games, classmates and contacts, lovers of HALYAWA (PLAIN FROM EUROPE WILL PLACE IT ON HEADS, AHAH WAIT WAIT WAIT!), After 10 years, only life will die as it is.
                    4. Vladimir65
                      Vladimir65 3 December 2013 21: 15
                      10
                      Those young people who took to the Maidan will not be in power. On the Maidan cheated. I saw their interview. In 1991, young people also came out in Russia to defend Yeltsin and his lads, and several people died. Late, but insight came and many changed their views on the capitalist paradise created by Yeltsin.
                    5. Oleg111
                      Oleg111 4 December 2013 02: 14
                      +3
                      you fell from the oak - where you saw in the world of equal dialogue))))))))))
                  3. Postovoi
                    Postovoi 3 December 2013 23: 56
                    +1
                    She always went there in essence of her historical, but special thanks to Nikita ...
              2. chuchupaka
                chuchupaka 3 December 2013 19: 08
                -7
                And by whom? By the Americans? Europe? No by your henchmen. Who thinks that Russia is also that of the USSR, and these same oligarchs just do not live in Washington and Brussels, but in Moscow and St. Petersburg! Snatch. Stain and get up without paying.
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 3 December 2013 19: 10
                  13
                  Quote: chuchupaka
                  Who thinks that Russia is also that of the USSR, and these same oligarchs just do not live in Washington and Brussels, but in Moscow and St. Petersburg!

                  Hold on ...
                  1. alexng
                    alexng 4 December 2013 01: 58
                    +3
                    It doesn’t work out - it’s chronic ...
              3. 755962
                755962 3 December 2013 19: 53
                +8
                Quote: 76rtbr
                Downs paid

                Maydauny .....
            2. Sandov
              Sandov 3 December 2013 11: 26
              22
              Quote: ilf
              Conscripts of special forces BB and thugs

              B Y D L about attacks, our respect in Little Russia. Long live Little Russia, Belarus and Great Russia.
              1. Ivan_Ivanov
                Ivan_Ivanov 3 December 2013 17: 12
                +7
                Do not be a hamster. Do not be fooled.

            3. soviet_ua
              soviet_ua 3 December 2013 11: 37
              23
              Quote: ilf
              Conscripts of special forces BB and thugs

              scumbags on a bulldozer ... and golden eagles can not touch them! if the authorities don’t have willpower, they would have long ago dispersed all these Bandera ... they are already being blamed for the riots
              1. Alekseev
                Alekseev 3 December 2013 13: 20
                26
                Quote: soviet_ua
                scumbags on a bulldozer ... and golden eagles can not touch them!

                Yes ... there are many shortcomings of the Russian authorities and Putin personally, but like that, it would hardly be anyone who dared to ride a bulldozer in Moscow now!
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 3 December 2013 13: 44
                  +6
                  Quote: Alekseev
                  Yes ... there are many shortcomings of the Russian authorities and Putin personally, but like that, it would hardly be anyone who dared to ride a bulldozer in Moscow now!

                  And who has no flaws?
                  And then, in the text, I agree.
                  I will add what I mentioned earlier.
                  EVERYONE has forgotten about crime, real. Can you imagine what's going on in Kiev? Or does someone think that the thieves and rapists climbed the barricades?
            4. Angry reader
              Angry reader 3 December 2013 14: 11
              +2
              press one activist down with a bucket ..))) the hydraulics are good, good .. and the others themselves will run as they hear ... (of course, but that consciousness requires humor, looking at all this)
              1. Varangian22
                Varangian22 5 December 2013 02: 25
                0
                Why the tractor is just a fire engine, and the rest will be completed by Santa Claus!
            5. Arti
              Arti 3 December 2013 14: 54
              +9
              Selling creatures, the same traders in their assholes as their euro patrons. People who do not even know the meaning of the concepts of honor and dignity.
              Oh sorry they don’t have Lukashenko. Our guys do not stand on ceremony with this evil spirits, it’s a pity, of course, that they beat indiscriminately - even girls sometimes got it, but even without a limit they would never have allowed it.
            6. chuchupaka
              chuchupaka 3 December 2013 19: 03
              -23 qualifying.
              This is a group of regular provocateurs of Putin's godfather, our dear Vityusha Medvedchuk! Remember there was such a head of the Administration of President Kuchma! And the goal is simply to push Yanukovych to the use of force, to finally close the road to Europe and go to bed like a gold-headed one.
              1. Egoza
                Egoza 3 December 2013 19: 46
                +5
                Quote: chuchupaka
                This is a group of full-time provocateurs of Kum Putin our dear Vityusha Medvedchuk!

                The grader, with the help of which the militants tried to break the chain of law enforcement officers at the Presidential Administration on December 1 during the "revolution", belongs to structures associated with Petro Poroshenko.? According to available information, the appearance of equipment on Bankova was organized by the people's deputy himself. Moreover, the tribune with which Poroshenko called on the gathered demonstrators to order was mounted in advance.
                Recall that on December 1 Petro Poroshenko filed an application for the commission of a crime by a group of unknown young people with a sports build in an amount of up to one and a half thousand people on the street. Banking near the Presidential Administration. According to the politician’s press service, he issued this statement with the traffic police crew, consisting of Lieutenant Dovzhints and senior policeman Gerasimenko. Poroshenko noted that the corpus delicti contains provocations, in particular, the young men drove a grader to demolish the fence and create a dangerous situation on the street. Banking. The deputy said that at the moment, people have been able to restrain them from taking this provocation.
                Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-132712.html
                1. Angry reader
                  Angry reader 4 December 2013 18: 31
                  +1
                  You are Surkovskaya propaganda !!! Liberals can’t do that !!! Elves are so noooooogutt !!!! Evroooooopaaaa !!! Tribune Mneeee ... and glycine ampoule))
                  1. zvereok
                    zvereok 7 December 2013 12: 14
                    0
                    Surkov Chechen.
              2. alexdol
                alexdol 3 December 2013 19: 54
                14
                chuchupaka UA "This is a group of regular provocateurs of Putin's godfather, our dear Vityusha Medvedchuk!"
                -------------------------------------------------- ------
                Well what can I say: here you are that NUMBER OF PROVIDER! Unfortunately, not everyone has everything in order ...
                1. Angry reader
                  Angry reader 4 December 2013 22: 25
                  0
                  he is euroelf
              3. Angry reader
                Angry reader 3 December 2013 20: 59
                +1
                brought new dope to the city, baby?)
                1. Egoza
                  Egoza 3 December 2013 21: 35
                  +4
                  Quote: Angry Reader
                  brought new dope to the city, baby?)

                  Not! It blew the roof off with happiness! In Ternopil, they announced a "revolutionary vacation" in schools and sent the children to the Maidan!
                  1. Angry reader
                    Angry reader 4 December 2013 11: 40
                    +1
                    Judging by the psychomotorism, the revolutionaries still poured something, the revolutionary Pakistan ..)
              4. saha471
                saha471 3 December 2013 21: 21
                +4
                according to all written and unwritten laws for such rudeness it is necessary to beat in the snout! This is an axiom. Or the impudent ones will become even bolder. And the soldiers, they are under orders ... The commanders rule. And the commander-in-chief (who is prezik) is naughty. Only folding and show-off. Afraid they won't be admitted to Geyropa? They won't even guard the toilet like that. Pray, Ukrainians, that you will find your HUSBAND, who will not be afraid to kick in the face without looking back at the consequences. And it will establish NORMAL, sane order. Not a concentration camp. Otherwise, scum like Tyanivzad, a boxer named "The Young Lady" or Seni-rabbit will control you. Better yet, release a woman with a scythe into the open field. And it won't even be funny. And Russia will not interfere. And rightly so. Get drunk in Europe "for the most tomatoes." And then we'll see whose cones in the forest
            7. Farik
              Farik 3 December 2013 19: 45
              13
              Quote: ilf
              special forces explosives and thugs

              For such cases, those who are sitting in a bulldozer, or they must be imprisoned for a long time, or "blasted" on the spot by warning a couple of times in advance, because this is by no means a peaceful demonstration, but a direct attempt on the life of law enforcement officers in execution.
              1. Rider
                Rider 3 December 2013 20: 40
                +5
                Quote: Farik
                For such deeds, those who are sitting in the bulldozer or should be planted for a long time, or "knocked down" on the spot by warning a couple of times in advance,

                but here I do not quite agree with you.
                the fact is that someone who was sitting at the levers acted LLC VERY CAREFULLY.
                if he REALLY wanted to break through the cordon, then he would have been stopped only by anti-tank bullets.
                Believe me, I’m an excavator, I know WHAT a technique can in capable hands.
                on this and I say that the one in the cockpit acted with a MINIMUM risk to the cops.

                most likely it was an attempt to cause shooting, at least on wheels.

                Of course, this is not from a great mind, since they could have overwhelmed the carrier himself, but from the point of view of a "man behind the levers" he acted quite competently.

                alternatively, just imagine kamikaze scumbag in its place.
                1. saha471
                  saha471 3 December 2013 21: 31
                  +2
                  reward the carrier! You see how neatly he treated the cops! Well done! And did not cripple anyone! Shine! Not a medal! No! ORDER! damn .. With a head on!
                  1. Rider
                    Rider 3 December 2013 22: 27
                    +1
                    Quote: saha471
                    ORDER! damn .. With a head on!


                    You see, I DO NOT justify his actions (and even more so the actions of the one who directed it), but HOW he did it, leads to certain thoughts.

                    it seems he didn’t really want to ram live people.
              2. saha471
                saha471 3 December 2013 21: 28
                0
                warn and blame. Or vice versa .. Do they not understand that they are attacking the authorities? They know. So do not fick "warn". Or are they complete schizos, do not understand anything? Then they are socially dangerous psychopaths. There is nothing to bow to them either. So the passivity of the Ministry of Internal Affairs is surprising!
              3. Varangian22
                Varangian22 5 December 2013 03: 03
                0
                Quote: vitamin-ky
                and after tomorrow they’ll look into the refrigerator, and he’s empty, and all the revolutionaries will end there - (C) -....-

                But the fact is that there is a lot of funding and this lawlessness can drag on for a long time.
            8. alexdol
              alexdol 3 December 2013 19: 47
              +7
              ilf RU "Conscripts of the special forces of the explosives and thugs"
              ------------------------------------------------
              I watched the video. What can I say, Sorry for the special forces guys! But Yanyk is complete! It's time to give the order to shoot to kill! What is he waiting for? And the author of this article and I say the same thing: he has nothing to catch in the west! All his hopes today are only in RUSSIA, so that Putin forgave him and helps! But apparently God completely deprived him of reason ...
              1. Akim
                Akim 3 December 2013 19: 58
                +3
                Quote: alexdol
                It's time to give the order to shoot to kill! What is he waiting for?

                Then all Ukraine will turn away about him. You can shoot without his order - with any attack on a sensitive object.
                1. alexdol
                  alexdol 3 December 2013 20: 13
                  +2
                  Akim UA "Then all of Ukraine will definitely turn its back on him."
                  -------------------------------------------------- ------
                  Yes, everyone turned away from him for a long time, so nothing new will happen here! It's not about that at all! The salvation of his skins is now completely in the hands of RUSSIA! To the west he hopes beztolkoy - there he will not wait for forgiveness! And going towards rapprochement with RUSSIA, even if forced, he can do at least one good thing !!
            9. Current 72
              Current 72 4 December 2013 00: 43
              +3
              In such a situation, I could not stand it, as in the video, I would start shooting to kill. And the BERKUTOVS, YOUNG PEOPLE, stood up and showed the scumbags their strength! GOOD FELLOWS !!!
              1. fedval7560
                fedval7560 7 December 2013 11: 40
                0
                Of course I sympathize with BERKUTOVTSAM. What could they do? To leave, silently stand and watch how the comrades are injured. But it turns out that the authorities stupidly set them up and made them guilty. As always, no one gave the order. Well, they themselves were sitting at home and suddenly decided to wave with batons.
            10. Eduard72
              Eduard72 7 December 2013 21: 13
              0
              The creatures are brainless ... It was necessary for the specialists not to stand, but to let them under the press ... Well done guys, strong nerves ...
          2. Andrey57
            Andrey57 3 December 2013 09: 49
            59
            Yes, there will now be no "gas discounts" and other indulgences, whether or not Yanyk signs this association - it does not matter either, the troops, accordingly, do not even need to "disturb" anything. Now Ukraine will be given the opportunity to sip on the full program of its own "jam" if they sign an association with the EU, but only after that, including an increase in tariffs by 40% for housing and communal services and other "delights", sobering and sanity can come. Until then, it makes no sense to sign anything with Ukraine other than joining the Customs Union.
            1. mihasik
              mihasik 3 December 2013 10: 37
              15
              I completely agree with you. Until the village is fully redeemed, there will be no real revolution. Note that Eastern Ukraine has so far abstained from the location of paid ones. What happens if patience runs out? Unfortunately, Ukraine will have to wait a long time for adequate "thinking".
            2. Chertkov Oleg
              Chertkov Oleg 3 December 2013 15: 59
              +3
              99% that it will be so, without "popalov" European integrators will not come to their senses, they will grab the brewed porridge with all their might and brains. It's a pity only normal people will suffer for the company.
          3. Airman
            Airman 3 December 2013 10: 03
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov

            But does it make sense now to sign something with Ukraine, when they can stupidly overthrow Yanukovych and there will be a new government in Ukraine?

            If you don’t sign it now, then they will surely be overthrown and Ukraine will be given to the geyrope.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 3 December 2013 10: 17
              +9
              Quote: Povshnik

              If you don’t sign now, then they’ll definitely be overthrown

              If he licks the back of the gyrope and amer, then he will be overthrown. And it doesn’t matter what he signs there.
              1. Andrey Yuryevich
                Andrey Yuryevich 3 December 2013 10: 31
                +5
                not a topic: you do not resent Alexander such frank plagiarism ??? laughing
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 3 December 2013 10: 50
                  +6
                  Quote: Andrey Yurievich
                  : Alexander doesn’t resent you such frank plagiarism ??

                  There would be a leader, and the companions wassat
                2. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 3 December 2013 10: 54
                  +5
                  Quote: Andrey Yurievich
                  not a topic: you do not resent Alexander such frank plagiarism ???

                  Pidzhachishko - slop.
                  The bill is xenore.
                  Manicure is suspicious.
                  Substitute? fool
                  1. Andrey Yuryevich
                    Andrey Yuryevich 3 December 2013 11: 06
                    +7
                    the Chinese are copying everything they see, even our A. Romanov ... laughing
                    1. Ptah
                      Ptah 3 December 2013 13: 25
                      +3
                      He has long been advised to begin to breed naturally. And he sticks everything out on the site, but there are no suitable partners for this.

                      Sasha, distract from moderation, concentrate on the search. hi
                  2. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 3 December 2013 12: 30
                    +6
                    Quote: stalkerwalker
                    Pidzhachishko - slop.
                    The bill is xenore.
                    Manicure is suspicious.

                    Wallpapers cheap laughing
                    1. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 3 December 2013 13: 05
                      +5
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Wallpapers cheap

                      Chinese, used laughing
          4. yurii p
            yurii p 3 December 2013 10: 23
            14
            "NATO does not have soldiers ready to die for democracy, especially in a war with Russia." ... NATO will not have to look for soldiers in a war against Russia in Ukraine itself, there are many supporters of the UPA, and other sixes like the Baltic republics, do not stand aside, the experience of the two Chechen wars shows that Russia has plenty of enemies, no need to be mistaken.
          5. Val_y
            Val_y 3 December 2013 17: 25
            +8
            Come on, you’ve washed, or you’re watching TV and the Internet poorly, eh? In Odessa, Kharkov, Donetsk, Lugansk, Sevastopol, they paid attention as with euromaidans, huh? They dispersed why, and the mugs of Euromaidan swelled. So, if you have washed it, then where you do not need to wash it, only banderlogs in the west and center.
          6. Ded_smerch
            Ded_smerch 6 December 2013 11: 45
            0
            "Their army is now Islamists" on the last infe, Crimean Tatars began to arrive in the Maidan region in large numbers, so that the transfer of troops for democratization began. I agree that the Ukrainians don’t need gas at a cheaper price, there is no need to sign any other concessions, the Fatherland’s regime will collapse with such a development, and all these agreements will be worthless.
        2. AVV
          AVV 3 December 2013 13: 22
          +4
          The main vector for Ukraine’s European integration is maintained, the president said, even if Russia would invest huge dough in the economy of this state !!! Does Russia need this? Let them first decide who they want to dance with, and that’s why you need to take money !!! And then, as a girl of facilitated behavior, she wants to get pleasure from one, and money for maintenance from another, so gentlemen will not work !!! With whom you dance, he and orders music !!!
        3. fomich1977
          fomich1977 3 December 2013 21: 39
          +1
          That's right!
      2. sancho
        sancho 3 December 2013 09: 32
        28
        And, it seems to me that we need to raise the issue of the inclusion of Crimea in the Russian Federation. And, without Crimea Geyrope, Ukraine, like a goat bow. This key question is sobering to many. And delaying him will be even worse.
        1. complete zero
          complete zero 3 December 2013 09: 56
          0
          "Raising the issue of the annexation of Crimea" is akin to raising the issue of Alaska, or the annexation of Texas to historical Mexico is the same as "crushing water in a mortar" (I am sure that you yourself understand this) - on what basis is the independent state of Ukraine (unless voluntarily) wants to share HER territory with us?)))) - to the deceased Khrushchev all the claims
          1. sancho
            sancho 3 December 2013 12: 24
            18
            Respected! This is when Ukraine, territorially had Crimea? Do you have any documents?
            But Russia has all the legal grounds and documents.
            The fact that Khrushch "handed over" the management to Ukraine is not an international legal act. By comparison, the transfer of the Kuril ridge under the act of surrender to Japan was signed under the Pact.
            Ah, that’s what about the Crimea - The issuance of the decree is often called the personal initiative of N. S. Khrushchev, closely associated with Ukraine, but this opinion is erroneous. [1]. The Crimean region was transferred to Ukraine with the following wording: "Given the commonality of the economy, territorial proximity and close economic and cultural ties between the Crimean region and the Ukrainian SSR." On January 25, 1954, at a meeting of the Presidium of the CPSU Central Committee, a draft Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR on the transfer of the Crimean region from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR was approved. Already on February 19, 1954, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR issued a Decree "On the transfer of the Crimean region from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR." At the same time, the expression of the will of the Crimean population was not taken into account, since no referenda were held.

            For your information, this is not an international document. Ah, inside the state. Moreover, the state which is no longer there. Therefore, all questions about the denunciation of this transfer of the Crimea are quite real.
            But what can I say, just hold a referendum, business then!
            1. saramb
              saramb 4 December 2013 00: 10
              +1
              I completely agree with our Crimea, as well as the Donbass, which was annexed to Ukraine to dilute the Bandera working class. We will take our territories back. And let the rest go to their homosexual europioids and become another homosexual country))
          2. GDP
            GDP 3 December 2013 14: 56
            12
            I do not agree - Alyaka and Crimea are not the same thing. Alaska is far away, and Crimea is close. Tens of millions of Russian-speaking citizens did not live in Alaska ... Alaska was never the original territory of Russia, no rivers of blood spilled for it, and Crimea was separated from Russia not a couple of centuries ago, but only half a century, which the Ukrainians themselves call criminal power ...
            Crimea in general, neither culturally nor historically, has anything to do with Ukraine, at least with the Ukraine that is now in power ... Crimea, like the entire southern Black Sea coast, was conquered by Russian weapons from the Ottoman Empire and the Crimean Khanate ...
            1. Vasek
              Vasek 3 December 2013 18: 47
              +5
              Quote: GDP
              Crimea in general, neither culturally nor historically, has anything to do with Ukraine, at least with the Ukraine that is now in power ... Crimea, like the entire southern Black Sea coast, was conquered by Russian weapons from the Ottoman Empire and the Crimean Khanate ...

              As, however, and Odessa, Kherson, Nikolaev and many others ...
          3. varov14
            varov14 3 December 2013 17: 21
            +3
            And who when what state when asked when the territories were taken, they are now just stupidly bombed. and the more barbaric, the more effective.
          4. Sergey Sitnikov
            Sergey Sitnikov 4 December 2013 12: 01
            0
            the population of the territory can determine the national or state affiliation of the territory through a plebiscite, called a referendum ... example: Kosovo
          5. Tiamat2702
            Tiamat2702 4 December 2013 13: 04
            +1
            I do not agree with you. The issue of the return of the Crimea to the Russian Federation is fully relevant and logical. In addition, having a substantial justification.
        2. GDP
          GDP 3 December 2013 14: 53
          0
          And at the same time, you can add to the Crimea all the other Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine, with which Russia is closely and inextricably linked ...
          1. complete zero
            complete zero 3 December 2013 15: 22
            +1
            Well, that would now pick him up (Crimea) apparently for sure comrade H need PS - I do not mind taking it just without me .....
        3. Chertkov Oleg
          Chertkov Oleg 3 December 2013 16: 10
          +3
          Do not rush to separatism, Ukraine is not our enemy, but a close relative. And it is not good to share the property of the brothers, from the side. GDP correctly said - they themselves will decide, so be it.
          1. sancho
            sancho 3 December 2013 17: 09
            +5
            Uhhhh! Respected! There is no need to scatter such things -

            Quote: Oleg Chertkov
            Ukraine is not our enemy, but a close relative. And it is not good to share the property of the brothers, from


            Let's separate the flies from the cutlets!
            1. Crimea historically Russian territory! I think all sane to prove this fact is not necessary. And there’s nothing to prove ... actually!
            2. Ukraine, we are not our enemy! While! It is not known what will happen if the Patriot complexes are installed there? I think it's clear ?! No? In this situation, the Black Sea Fleet will leave Semfiropol on a quiet glan ...
            3.And is it the "brothers" Crimea that is their property? De juro?
            4. Forge the iron while it is hot! And, do not wait for 100 years until the descendants of the Crimeans and ours forget your story, and whose blood was shed there under the Ottomans!
            5. An example for you: Falklands! Do you know the story? There they didn’t even hold a referendum ... Democrats.
            1. Chertkov Oleg
              Chertkov Oleg 3 December 2013 17: 53
              +4
              I completely agree, BUT the transfer of Crimea was approved and carried out "de facto" within the framework of the USSR state, when everyone was friends and did not fear the ridiculous threat of the country's collapse. Some of our parents made a broad gesture, while others accepted it - and what, you and I are in a position to cancel the already accomplished History? There are many such controversial moments in the history of Tsarist and modern Russia - Alaska, the self-determination of Finland, part of the water area in the Bering Sea, the delimitation of maritime borders with Norway, the border treaty with China - several well-known, already historical, not patriotic facts. We will not rake to correct them, now, we must first raise the MOTHERLAND! And help the brothers not to kill themselves, only Together we will be the same Power. There is no other way
              1. sancho
                sancho 3 December 2013 18: 03
                +2
                Dear Chertkov Oleg! You have a very good phrase -
                Quote: Oleg Chertkov
                And help the brothers not to be killed to death, only Together we will be the same Strength. There is no other way


                Just sitting at the computer you, me, and others cannot do this!
                Ah, the facts contradict you at all 100%
                1. "We" are raising our homeland, at least we have no Maidans!
                2. We did not supply "Buki" to Georgia, and did not shoot down our pilots.
                3. We do not climb into the Chechen mountains on the side of the militants and do not shoot at our boys.
                4. We do not slap fatherly on the shoulder of Ssykashvili and do not offer such a gentle, warm friendship.
                5. We are not eager for Geyropa, with its fictitious goods.
                6. We fraternally pay rent for the BSF, the fraternal people, for the Simferopol base. De jure - our HISTORICALLY!

                Where do you see the catch? BUT?
            2. chuchupaka
              chuchupaka 3 December 2013 19: 48
              +6
              Krasnodar and the Stavropol Territory are what Russian patriots need to think about. In your opinion, the mass migration of the inhabitants of the North Caucasus to the Russian villages and the flight of the Russians is correct. Where to retreat? Behind Moscow, and there you yourself know what it is like. It's a shame that soon the word Russian will be written as a Russian. So do not think about new territories, but how you will protect the cradle of Russia. And we ourselves will stand for ourselves. Remember our Cossacks and your Donts. That's where our strength was and I hope it will remain !!!
              1. Papakiko
                Papakiko 3 December 2013 20: 31
                +1
                Quote: chuchupaka
                And we ourselves will stand for ourselves.

                So no one forbids you.

                10000% Hit in Maydaunt.
                http://oper.ru/news/read.php?t=1051612987&page=3#comments
              2. Liss.
                Liss. 3 December 2013 21: 04
                0
                Your-Our ...
                There is not much in common.
              3. Sergey Sitnikov
                Sergey Sitnikov 4 December 2013 12: 16
                +2
                Shaw is characteristic)))): in Kiev there is not a single document older than 100 years written in Ukrainian mov, does the Cossacks speak Russian?
        4. duke
          duke 3 December 2013 17: 14
          +5
          yes that Crimea !!! Then it’s all Novorossia that Potemkin and Suvorov won from the Turks, see the maps of their campaigns ... And Kiev is the mother of Russian cities, but not Ukrainian at all, and there Volyn Rus, Galitskaya Rus, etc.
      3. Asgard
        Asgard 3 December 2013 11: 24
        21
        That's really why ??????????
        Russia is in the same position)))))))

        I will explain ... All sane people understand that the EU is a non-citizen, he has a lot of problems, this "train" is still on the rails, the railway has gone downhill with a turn, and Everyone who looks through the WINDOW sees that the road leads to a cliff (into the abyss))) and Ukraine runs after this "train" and tries to jump into the vestibule of the last carriage)))))
        The leader is Yanukovych, this is a dependent figure on strings, his nonsense was listened to by Merkel (that Russia is pressing him)) and he will not sign the "association" .....
        Wait, he sends "messengers" to Barroso .... not because he WANTS, but because EUROPE cannot survive without UKRAINE for a long time .....
        The EU is vital IMPORTANT to stretch out the time until the States collapse, Yanukovych is being offered "nishtyaki" all sorts of irs Yanukovych behaves like a Banderlog at the sight of Kaa (Boa constrictor from a cartoon))He understands that death and and and is still going to the jaws))))

        Now about Russia ... The Russian Federation signed the WTO (this is also a train with an imminent disaster)) THERE ARE NOT GIVEN THERE, but the train is MALFUNCTED, it has no brakes, sells fake treasury tickets, liberal conductors read mantras in each car so that we drink, go for a walk, take loans and bought unnecessary things .....in the next carriage))))
        AND IN NO CASE DO NOT REPAIR MOBILE COMPOSITION)))) for this article 282, accusations of nat-mez ...... etc, the spectrum is wide)))))

        THIS CHAOS, many will die, and the rest will put on collars with chips and allow themselves to lead the IRON HAND ....

        MORE ABOUT FREEDOM OF SPEECH DOES NOT GO))))

        fatal
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 3 December 2013 11: 27
          11
          Quote: Asgard
          THIS CHAOS, many will die, and the rest will put on collars with chips and allow themselves to lead the IRON HAND ....

          Well, that’s it ...
          It remains to go and drown, until the wormwoods are frozen laughing
          1. Uncle
            Uncle 3 December 2013 11: 41
            +5
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            It remains to go and drown, until the wormwoods are frozen

            In vain, ironic, the end of the World is inevitable, we are on the way to it.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 3 December 2013 11: 48
              +6
              Quote: Uncle
              In vain, ironic, the end of the World is inevitable, we are on the way to it.

              Well, if so ...
              All there will be. It's a question of time. But I'm not going to. May the Lord God decide.
              1. Uncle
                Uncle 3 December 2013 12: 19
                +2
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                But I'm not going to. May the Lord God decide.

                Optimism is a Christian trait. smile The Lord is my enlightenment and my Savior, whom shall I be afraid of? Lord Protector of my stomach, from whom shall I fear?
                1. Akuzenka
                  Akuzenka 3 December 2013 16: 31
                  0
                  So, if everything is so started for you - self-destruct, or something, just do not disclose the expanses of the forum with plaintive maxims.
              2. Sergey Sitnikov
                Sergey Sitnikov 4 December 2013 12: 27
                0
                I wouldn’t be against the NATO invasion and occupation of the Russian Federation, to use my arsenal and knowledge of our forests for the last years)))) against soft as shit Eurogays
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 3 December 2013 12: 28
              +9
              Quote: Uncle
              the end of the World is inevitable, we are on the way to it.

              Right, the doomsday is coming soon belay We are waiting, we are meeting, we are hoping - maybe Maya made a mistake for a year laughing
              1. Uncle
                Uncle 3 December 2013 13: 06
                0
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                We are waiting, we are meeting, we are hoping - maybe Maya made a mistake for a year

                Christians do not penniless the Mayan calendar, we have the Revelation of St. John the Evangelist Apocalypse. The book is extremely difficult to interpret and understand, even to the extent that it has not been included in the New Testament for a long time.
                1. abrakadabre
                  abrakadabre 3 December 2013 13: 38
                  0
                  we have the Revelation of John the Evangelist Apocalypse. The book is extremely difficult to interpret and understand, even to the extent that it has not been included in the New Testament for a long time.
                  This is because in Western Europe at that time was not popular hookah and other conducive smoking.
                  Glukov sought fasting, prayer and other suicidal nishtyaks. But such a method dulls pondering and reduces endurance. Unlike substances.
                  wassat
                  1. Spnsr
                    Spnsr 3 December 2013 17: 50
                    0
                    Quote: abrakadabre
                    we have the Revelation of John the Evangelist under article 7.27 of the Code of Administrative Offenses in relation to: An extremely difficult book to interpret and understand, to the extent that it has not been included in the New Testament for a long time.
                    This is because in Western Europe at that time was not popular hookah and other conducive smoking.
                    Glukov sought fasting, prayer and other suicidal nishtyaks. But such a method dulls pondering and reduces endurance. Unlike substances.
                    wassat


                    you’re mistaken at the expense of the figure, comrade, the apocalypse has appeared, and this already indicates that fasting and prayer are the true consciousness that removes from mortal thoughts that push to start, and hence the desire for power
                    1. abrakadabre
                      abrakadabre 4 December 2013 10: 51
                      0
                      The book is extremely difficult to interpret and understand, even to the extent that it has not been included in the New Testament for a long time.

                      This is because in Western Europe at that time was not popular hookah and other conducive smoking.

                      are mistaken, comrade, the apocalypse has appeared, and this already speaks of the fact that fasting and prayer are true consciousness


                      Do not lose the thread of discussion, dear. And soon you will begin to defend the theses that are opposite to yours from the beginning of the discussion.
                      Vanya Zavideevich, the title is an apostle, an underground nickname the Theologian (after all, at the time of Christ's execution, the nascent religion was clearly not at odds with the authorities) he never lived and worked in Western Europe, but in normal such Asia Minor. So the Apocalypse could well get hooked, either through opium, in any inn or in caches, where it sat with other apostles from possible raids of Romans or Orthodox Jews. But all sorts of later interpreters are just more Westerners. Therefore, after fasting, self-flagellation and other self-torture, revelations of comparable depth, they were visited not less often.
                      wassat
                      Why it was difficult for them to interpret such a deep opus.
                      Therefore, it was in the West that the principle formulated by Tertullian was born: "I believe, for it is absurd." Like, to understand and explain the brain is not, so in ... opu philosophizing - we believe, period.
                    2. Sergey Sitnikov
                      Sergey Sitnikov 4 December 2013 12: 32
                      +1
                      but how did John find out? And if someone told him (convincing at the end of the world for certain) I imagine how dark and ancient he was covered
                2. Sergey Sitnikov
                  Sergey Sitnikov 4 December 2013 12: 28
                  +1
                  but in my opinion, Maya just had a place on the kamenyuga to apply next year and there wasn’t any superglue
            3. Defender
              Defender 3 December 2013 14: 55
              +5
              There will be no end of the World (God is Light and there is no darkness in Him)! There will be an end to darkness!
            4. varov14
              varov14 3 December 2013 17: 37
              +1
              So the end and without the end of the world however will be. You get into the car and you can get ready, with our behavior on the roads.
          2. Angry reader
            Angry reader 3 December 2013 14: 38
            0
            seem not alone in judgment))
        2. Angry reader
          Angry reader 3 December 2013 14: 17
          +4
          Dear Asgard, I ask you to forgive me for this post, I am a beginner in the rank of a forum member, but I read "VO" much more .. The thing is, I wonder if you really see such scenarios or so ... I just read you quite so long .., and suggests some kind of manic train of thought)
          1. Asgard
            Asgard 3 December 2013 15: 29
            +5
            Not, there are, of course, People who see everything in the beautiful "sunlight" they are absolutely happy ....., but one thing is bad they are kept separately in stone chambers and are reluctant to let visitors into them))))

            About the scripts I trace the parallels of seemingly unrelated events .... BUT, everything works according to the same laws and People are incapable of non-standard moves ...
            You look who is in charge of us ... former gangsters (Yanukovych)) embezzlers, troechniks, pedarasts, people who lost the SENSE of MEASURE, and did not restore it in a responsible post ...

            Then when you read (with the punctuation marks)) my posts_This does not find a response in the Soul? .... or do you think that in one question I am RIGHT, but here I am mistaken)))) It happens that comrades do not understand COMMENT, read swallowing without pausing, and the meaning is often encrypted in them ....
            Besides the semantic text, the Russian text has levels of understanding — linguistic, semantic, psycho-physical, and even 20 levels known to me ... The text catches - you put minus \ plus and believe me no difference, but look at the total number of people who are potentially ready to understand life, something that is being negatively minded means that the Man began to think, letters began to exert an organizing influence on HIS BRAIN ... And marks with the sign We set ourselves minus means we did not understand Man (we ourselves lack knowledge) ... + 1, agree (like-minded))
            The worst thing is that sometimes we are indifferent (leave unrated))
            And then we are GUILTY that we left the Human to vegetate (did not encourage with our attention)) There are days, I TRY to EVALUATE each comment, maybe it does not deserve it, but the Human is trying to "emerge" in OUR TOPWAR COMMUNITY // // it is very important not to drown him ..... the more there are equally MINDING PEOPLE, the more I will have confidence that our Children (when We leave)) will remember us with gratitude and not by the fire wrapped in animal skins))))

            and THIS IS MORTGED HERE !!!!!!
            I read (quickly)) almost all materials on the site, especially VALUABLE comments, sometimes much VALUABLE articles ....

            But not everywhere I write, the meaning ????If you wrote, then This is important.
            For me, well, and for you, probably, since we live on one planet ....

            Then EVERYTHING can move EVERYONE, as it does not sound surprising ...
            The crowd (flock)) will never win - CONCEPTUALLY .... This is IMPORTANT.
            I am writing in order that you support HIM (when He appears)) so that you have an idea of ​​what will need to be done .... and not with your tongue (as unselected "elites" do)))

            With respect to the People .....
            1. Angry reader
              Angry reader 3 December 2013 16: 33
              +2
              Asgard, dear Asgard, very flatters your attention to the answers, but .. get out of the parallels and spirituality of eternal matters, and turn to the Homeland History, Here you will see parallels, striking similarities, in time periods, if you look a little further than the school a textbook, you’ll see what happened and worse, happened even more sluggishly, and more poorly and disgustingly, but ... that’s how we differ from you, Asgard and our Soforum people that we were born in the USSR, we always have something to fix and patter (such a design) There is always time to argue and suffer. But we (I hope all) are not going to run away from this at all. So what's the point with accepting reality with such melancholy? Be tied to the matter, honestly. hi
        3. Old scoop
          Old scoop 3 December 2013 15: 52
          +1
          Like, morality - we all die.
          Somehow everything is one-sided and gloomy.
          1. Asgard
            Asgard 3 December 2013 17: 11
            +2
            Quote: Old scoop
            Somehow everything is one-sided and gloomy.

            Quote: Angry Reader
            what's the point with taking melancholy to accept reality?

            By the way, I’m not a melancholy, not a fatalist, most of my Comments end with brackets with a smile ...
            No need to perceive posts to whip up a dull mood. This is an objective reality with references and parallels in the History from our past))))
            You will know how to act, I write indirectly, so as not to be attracted for incitement and appeals))) but Nervous Linguistic Programming is also used by the media and TV (it is not without reason that he is called a zombie box)) those Suckers who watch him)))
            So it is here ... Why do Liberals hate Dostoevsky ??? Because reading it is difficult then to steal and kill the Russian people .....
            Something inside "grows" and gnaws at night))))
            Reformers understand this and have banned the reading of Tolstoy and Dostoevsky at school ....
            And I love to read them and everything is written there about our reality ....
            We have People who have received two higher educations and do not know anything about the Karamazov brothers))))
            Therefore, they believe in TV and Newspapers, they ask me not to resort to my logic, but to put links in the media)))) Although what I write will not be found in the Press and in Past History .....

            Well, for example ....... Each metallurgical student will tell you that the easiest way to get Iron is ..... Then you can develop to such a state and learn how to get Copper, it is very difficult to get TIN, and only then you can talk about the Bronze Age (that is, the century of ALLOYS))) the highest point of metallurgy ....
            And what the Jewish "HISTORY" tells us))))
            First, People in the caves made Bronze, made tools and jewelry, and then the Iron Age came ...

            Funny
            Don't find
            And contrary to common sense)))))
            1. varov14
              varov14 3 December 2013 18: 02
              +1
              Students are bad - tin can be melted in a bonfire, history walked as it should, from a stone ax to an iron ax.
              1. Asgard
                Asgard 3 December 2013 18: 42
                +5
                Quote: varov14
                Students are worthless

                Metal Tin-Yes, melts in a fire, this is exactly what the Jews thought who wrote IzToryYa (fantasy stories))), unfortunately, I see there is a "mass" that also believes ...

                But to separate tin from the breed NADO before melting))))) at the concentration plant
                And this is a complicated process there, and filtration and reagents of known Purity are used, which in turn should also be isolated from the rocks))))
                read carefully .... you definitely can’t do a bonfire ...
                Or do you think Copper and Tin in their pure form ancestors found)))))
                1. varov14
                  varov14 3 December 2013 19: 08
                  +1
                  So I am an enrichment agent and about separation, flotation, deposition, and others I know firsthand. Well, about the related metallurgical industries we were also taught without fools.
                  1. Mature naturalist
                    Mature naturalist 4 December 2013 00: 00
                    +1
                    A couple of facts in support of the fact that the Iron Age was earlier than the Bronze Age:

                    Cassiterite (from the Greek. Kassiteros - tin) - the main ore mineral for tin. Theoretically contains 78,62% Sn.
                    Hardness 6½.
                    For reference: hardness 6 - the mineral is scratched with a file.
                    That is, for the extraction of cassiterite, from which tin was smelted, from which bronze was made, steel tools were needed.
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            2. Sergey Sitnikov
              Sergey Sitnikov 4 December 2013 12: 49
              0
              I’m not a student - a metallurgist))) however, under the USSR, ABVGdeyku cooked all kinds (military stamps) i.e. grade A, grade B, etc., is the easiest way to get iron ???
              those. It’s easier to burn 4% carbon from cast iron than to connect two metals with the same melting point (bronze), and the term metallurgical highest point (I would have written the apogee), apparently just for the red word - argon vacuum, deoxidation, ligatures, profit, continuous casting machine and many other general theory and potential ???
              The USSR brewed P-12 steel, excellent tool steel, the Yeltsin conversion managed to include it in the military list - even then the steelworkers warned that the tool would not be available soon (with us) and Staer, China, and others surged.
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    2. Akim
      Akim 3 December 2013 09: 37
      16
      Quote: Flinky
      Putin will not be slow to give an order to send our troops to Ukraine.

      Enter the troops - I will consider the aggressor. We can handle it ourselves.
      1. Ptah
        Ptah 3 December 2013 10: 05
        14
        Quote: Akim
        Enter the troops - I will consider the aggressor.

        So for a long time .... I mean, they think ...
        And "to send troops" is a turn of speech.
        Hope you can do it yourself. Or to the list - "Iraq, Libya, Syria, ....." All sorts of "Jujin Sharps" have taken too tightly for you. Hold on. And kill such idiots quickly.
        йй

        After all, what beautiful females. Do not take your eyes off!

        A family. Wonderful kids. It is a pity that their parents are preparing the fate of the Swedish and Norwegian.
        цц


        It will be a pity to see such people on the "war newsreel" hi
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 3 December 2013 10: 15
        19
        Quote: Akim
        We can handle it ourselves.

        You can’t deal with Bandera, but here they found the aggressors request
        1. Net
          Net 3 December 2013 10: 34
          16
          Enter the troops! Let's meet with flowers, bread and salt! There is no hope for others, maybe they themselves would have come out against Yanukovych, but hiding in the same team with the Nazis and Banderlogs is not to face. And there’s nowhere to wait for more help.
          1. chuchupaka
            chuchupaka 3 December 2013 19: 53
            -5
            Where you saw the Bandera and the Nazis. Or live in parallel reality.
            1. Akim
              Akim 3 December 2013 19: 59
              +5
              Quote: chuchupaka
              Where are you Bandera and fascists saw

              Then let the red-black flags be removed.
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 3 December 2013 21: 00
                0
                Quote: Akim
                Then let the red-black flags be removed.

                Akim, your reaction to the Bandera rag is very encouraging ...
                But what will you say to the statement of your fellow countryman (?) From Katerinchuk's party on the air of the channel "112 Ukraine", that Odessa supports the course towards European integration (which is not a crime in itself) and MASS PROTESTS OF THE OPPOSITION?
                She, this opposition, is extremely motley ...
                1. Akim
                  Akim 3 December 2013 21: 10
                  +1
                  Quote: Corsair
                  , about the fact that Odessa supports the course towards European integration (which in itself is not a crime) and the mass opposition protests?

                  On Sunday, 300 people gathered near Duke then visiting students. And so Odessa lives and works normally. Only the ATV channel of ex-deputy Markov (well, where would I be without him smile ) joyfully rub their hands. Even the fugitive deputies of the City Council from the Rodina party returned from Transnistria.
                  1. Corsair
                    Corsair 3 December 2013 21: 30
                    0
                    Quote: Akim
                    On Sunday, 300 people gathered near Duke then visiting students. And so Odessa lives and works normally.


                    I have the same information from the East, people are only perplexed ...
                    And please explain
                    visiting students
                    studying at universities in Odessa, or were brought?
                  2. Corsair
                    Corsair 3 December 2013 21: 32
                    0
                    Quote: Akim
                    On Sunday, 300 people gathered near Duke then visiting students. And so Odessa lives and works normally.


                    I have the same information from the East, people are only perplexed ...
                    And please explain
                    visiting students
                    studying at universities in Odessa, or were brought?
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 3 December 2013 21: 38
                      +2
                      Quote: Corsair
                      studying at universities in Odessa, or were brought?

                      Learn here. Especially a lot of zapadentsev in the Polytechnic.
                  3. Cristall
                    Cristall 3 December 2013 21: 47
                    +3
                    Quote: Akim
                    And so Odessa lives and works normally.

                    today in the office not a word about the Kiev events. In general, people, even if they mentioned these events in the dialogue, "Did I hear what was there in Kiev ..."
                    A week of gloomy news about the country I learn only from YouTube and VO ... because everything is quiet in the city.
                    1. Corsair
                      Corsair 3 December 2013 22: 04
                      +4
                      Quote: Cristall
                      A week of gloomy news about the country I learn only from YouTube and VO ... because everything is quiet in the city.

                      At VO, LONG AND PERMANENTLY people tried to convey to you the understanding that IN UKRAINE NOT EVERYTHING WELL-BEING ...
                      You dismissed such comments about the previous VACKHANALII events, as from annoying flies.
                      But the stench of the Maidan hovered over the country long before the well-known events, HOW did you manage to SO screw up your assessments of the "cloudless future"?
                      1. Lesnik
                        Lesnik 4 December 2013 00: 01
                        -1
                        Enough panic already laughing EVERYTHING WILL BE WAY wink
                      2. Lesnik
                        Lesnik 5 December 2013 02: 13
                        0
                        And I'm right laughing
                    2. Ptah
                      Ptah 4 December 2013 00: 05
                      0
                      Quote: Corsair
                      At VO, LONG AND PERMANENTLY people tried to convey to you the understanding that IN UKRAINE NOT EVERYTHING WELL-BEING ...
                      You dismissed such comments about the previous VACKHANALII events, as from annoying flies.

                      Yes, even on this very "VO" many have already shouted about a similar situevina in Tyrtyr-stan. Where are they now?
                      Got a set of cookies from admins and that's it ...
                      Khailo is shut up ... Some have registered under other nicknames and are trying to secretly rub in YOU, others spat, and churches are burning and "rockets" have flown ...
                      Quote: Corsair
                      But the stench of the Maidan hovered over the country long before the well-known events, HOW did you manage to SO screw up your assessments of the "cloudless future"?

                      What the fuck, Putin will not learn lessons for Russia?
                    3. Cristall
                      Cristall 4 December 2013 19: 53
                      -1
                      Sorry, but I will quote the words on the canvas
                      "Kiev is not the capital of the opposition, but the capital of the state."
                      I immediately dismiss the sadness of a million articles on the decays of the separation of the bankruptcy and other delights of the articles that are here.
                      As for the situation - the gorlopans, for whom the east and south are not responsible at all, shout and walk in Kiev. And in Odessa everything is calm.
                      Work is necessary, not screaming.
                      And the fact that people tried to convey there 10% of the possible, and 90% of outright nonsense. It is bad that people not only carried nonsense but also shared my country.
                      The stench of the Maidan did not hover over the country, after 2004 the East and South played enough with slogans. Address your opinion to residents of the Western and central parts (and even then not to everyone)
                      As for me, for the most part, VO articles about my country are alarmist, biased, and provocative. Forgive them no place for VO.
                    4. Akim
                      Akim 4 December 2013 20: 48
                      0
                      Quote: Cristall
                      And in Odessa everything is calm.
                      Work is necessary, not screaming.

                      But the hitch, while the car is not removed.
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    3. Akim
      Akim 3 December 2013 10: 34
      -3
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      You cannot deal with Bandera,

      We can. There was no corresponding team.
      1. duke
        duke 3 December 2013 10: 41
        32
        and from whom dear Akim do you expect a team? Brussels won’t give it, Kiev isn’t either, Moscow is an aggressor, from whom from Old Man Makhno ???
        1. Akim
          Akim 3 December 2013 10: 56
          -2
          Quote: duke
          and from whom dear Akim do you expect a team?

          If we can handle it, it means from the current government.
          1. O_RUS
            O_RUS 3 December 2013 11: 04
            +3
            Quote: O_RUS
            Quote: Akim
            Quote: I am a Russian
            Who are you? Afro-Ukrainian? Emissary?

            You are at least racist.
            -

            -Well, it’s you in vain Akim.

            Akim where are you from?
            1. Akim
              Akim 3 December 2013 11: 09
              +1
              Quote: O_RUS
              O_RUS

              Then he didn’t answer, did you decide to catch here? Originally from the Ukrainian SSR, but not Ukrainian, however, a citizen of Ukraine.
              1. APES
                APES 3 December 2013 11: 42
                +4
                Quote: Akim
                Originally from the Ukrainian SSR, but not Ukrainian, however, a citizen of Ukraine.


                You are probably the hardest now. love
                1. vitamin ky
                  vitamin ky 3 December 2013 14: 11
                  +7
                  Well, tazhely is not heavier - it’s not clear - I worked all last week - here today it’s been sweeping - and again for a week - and FSE - in practice, and there’s no time to do stupid things, but to steal these painful things, to bawl, and after tomorrow they’ll look into the refrigerator it is empty — and all the revolutionaries will end there - (C) -...- business must be dealt with-business ... (C) (H / F) (one among strangers ....)
                  1. GDP
                    GDP 3 December 2013 15: 35
                    +4
                    Right! Work harder and less wander around the streets and suffer nonsense! You look and improve the situation in Ukraine.
                    ... Although, while in the dombas and in other places, hard workers work for them in Kiev, those who have time to go to rallies and Maidan decide
                  2. Corsair
                    Corsair 4 December 2013 22: 02
                    0
                    Quote: GDP
                    Although, bye in the dombas

                    "In Donbass" - in Russian, and "At Donbass" - in Ukrainian hi
            2. Gav-111
              Gav-111 3 December 2013 12: 04
              +8
              Afro-Ukrainian wassat
            3. Sandov
              Sandov 3 December 2013 13: 31
              +7
              Quote: Akim
              Quote: O_RUS
              O_RUS

              Then he didn’t answer, did you decide to catch here? Originally from the Ukrainian SSR, but not Ukrainian, however, a citizen of Ukraine.

              You are Ukrainian, as this is not a nationality. In Little Russia, Russians live, whose Poles are called Ukrainians.
              1. Akim
                Akim 3 December 2013 13: 59
                0
                Quote: Sandov
                In Little Russia, Russians live, whose Poles are called Ukrainians.

                I do not know such a nationality Russian-maloros. In the Soviet-style military cards we had written: Russian, Ukrainian, Greek, Jew, etc.
                1. GDP
                  GDP 3 December 2013 15: 45
                  +5
                  Ukrainians were called Maloros until the October Revolution. The term Ukraine itself appeared at the end of the roofing felts of the 18-th roofing felts of the 19-th century, first in Poland as the edge of the Polish state ... However, this name came into wide circulation only after the revolution.
                  I personally prefer another name - Kievan Rus. It really was a great state, and not some kind of Ukraine of the kingdom of Polly or a small likeness of Russia ...
                  If Ukraine does not accept its great history and its community with the Russian people, it will forever remain someone else's outskirts ...
                2. duke
                  duke 3 December 2013 17: 31
                  +4
                  if part of the people in the west of the Ridnaya Krajny wants to be not Rus (Kievskaya - although this is conditional, the Kiev princes ruled in Novgorod and Vladimir and vice versa, and most importantly "parasites" good Moscow was created, may the Lord rest their holy souls), and on the outskirts of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, then it would have been good if they hadn’t been so impudent, impudent and didn’t try to impose their own inferiority and will on all the people ...
              2. duke
                duke 3 December 2013 17: 10
                +2
                refuse Russian, don’t pull on a Jew, on a gentleman — also living in the territory, as they say in Europe, you don’t even argue that Russia is an aggressor ... sorry uncle, and we thought you were a bird. ..
              3. Akim
                Akim 3 December 2013 17: 36
                0
                Quote: duke
                you don’t have to argue that Russia is an aggressor ... excuse my uncle, but we thought you were a bird.

                To me. for I took the oath of allegiance to the people of Ukraine and served the country honestly for ten years. If the Supreme Council allows foreign troops into the territory of Ukraine, then this is legal. If they come without demand (it doesn’t matter from Russia, Poland, Romania) - this is occupation and this army is considered the enemy’s army. We will deal with anarchy ourselves.
              4. Sandov
                Sandov 3 December 2013 19: 33
                +1
                Quote: Akim
                To me. for I took the oath of allegiance to the people of Ukraine and for ten years served the country honestly

                I took the oath of allegiance to the USSR. And EBN did not care, took and tore our Russian people to pieces.
          2. Sandov
            Sandov 3 December 2013 19: 29
            +2
            Quote: Akim
            Quote: Sandov
            In Little Russia, Russians live, whose Poles are called Ukrainians.

            I do not know such a nationality Russian-maloros. In the Soviet-style military cards we had written: Russian, Ukrainian, Greek, Jew, etc.

            Historically, the Poles constantly had a tooth on the South Russian lands. How to chop off a piece. And by hook or by crook, they imposed papacy and imposed a union. Parasites.
          3. Sergey Sitnikov
            Sergey Sitnikov 4 December 2013 13: 00
            +1
            Lyakhi creatures and the name came up with us and imposed it in Europe - Muscovy
  • Tersky
    Tersky 3 December 2013 11: 36
    15
    Quote: Akim
    If we can handle it, it means from the current government.

    From which? From Yanukovych? The man who only used the Russian factor to win the presidential election? From the very first days in the presidency, he began to merge this topic without fulfilling a single election promise. Yanukovych used the contradictions between the EU and the CU for political and economic bargaining, taking care of the capitals of Firtash, Akhmetov and Donetsk brothers. And now he cowardly betrays the Ukrainian police, who carried out their duty and order, and Azarova with the government sacrifices. He does all this in his cowardice. But he does not understand that his victims will not be appreciated by maydaunas. He will be cursed both in the east and in the west of Ukraine. And Euromaidan is the next slap to those leaders who begin to stomp between Russia, which is growing stronger, thanks to Putin, and the “master” in the person of the West. As soon as the legitimately elected President of Ukraine showed his will (that is, to go against the interests of Europe, but for the interests of his country), then he was shown who is the real owner.
    1. Akim
      Akim 3 December 2013 11: 45
      0
      Quote: Tersky
      From which? From Yanukovych? The man who only used the Russian factor to win the presidential election?

      If such a command does not follow. then it will not follow. So Tyagnibok will win. But it is not necessary to introduce such an additional factor as foreign troops.
      1. Valter
        Valter 3 December 2013 14: 59
        +9
        Quote: Akim
        Quote: Tersky
        From which? From Yanukovych? The man who only used the Russian factor to win the presidential election?

        If such a command does not follow. then it will not follow. So Tyagnibok will win. But it is not necessary to introduce such an additional factor as foreign troops.

        If Tyagnibok wins, then all civil rights will be simply taken away from people who speak Russian. will be beaten in any places, thrown out of houses, possibly even killed quietly (with the full connivance of a rabbit (Yatsenyuk) and a "great boxer" who will close their eyes to everything). A stream of refugees will begin to Russia (and many more "gifts" from "friendly" minded nationalists), but why would they? There are already enough unemployed, it is easier through certain people to initiate a referendum in which they will raise the question of a request with the help of the Ukrainian people to the Russian authorities and do it like in South Ossetia.
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 3 December 2013 19: 55
          +2
          Quote: Valter
          If the winners win, then people who speak Russian will simply be taken away all civil rights i.e.

          Why only for those who speak Russian? AT ALL FOR ALL
          "By the way, when Svoboda gets enough seats in the Rada to amend the constitution, a moratorium will be imposed on protests in the country. Here is an interesting paragraph from the National Constitution of the Svoboda VO, posted on the organization's official website:"
          copy of page

          Today, by the way, the "general meeting of Kiev" in the premises of the Kyiv City State Administration decided not to interfere with the work of the city administration and the secretariat of the Kiev city council.
          The head of the “general meeting”, a native of Kiev from Kherson, Yuri Odarchenko announced a resolution: “In the conditions of a national crisis, the termination of work of officials in the city of Kiev responsible for everyday life is categorically unacceptable” I believe that this decision (on the inadmissibility of obstructing the work of the Kyiv City State Administration) is opposed came very fast. It is one thing to push speeches and shout “Glory to Ukraine!” Not with your own voice (for which, interestingly, they do not shout, but growl it? To make it worse?), And it’s quite another to deal with the urgent problems of the capital.
          http://polemika.com.ua/article-132613.html
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 3 December 2013 15: 25
        +7
        Foreign troops are NATO. And Russian troops in Ukraine can only restore order in their backyard. Also under-state.
        1. Akim
          Akim 3 December 2013 16: 18
          0
          Quote: alicante11
          Foreign troops are NATO

          Foreign troops are any troops that do not obey the Constitution of Ukraine. There is, still more true, a definition - rebel troops.
      3. Valter
        Valter 3 December 2013 15: 59
        11
        And how much will we generally tolerate the position imposed on us by western Ukraine? Who are they? Serving people and still serving fascism, bastards and scoundrels! Why are some 2% of the population (now located in Kiev in squares) decide for the whole country how and where they will lead us ??
        And because these wretched little people rule everything there, we are all waiting for some kind of command from the president of the coward, the coward who, like Gorbachev (who left the riot police, the Albfans, and the paratroopers in Vilnius), threw the security forces, the police standing and protecting him (all harassed) him - Yanukovych, he threw the stupid crowd to be torn to pieces without any clear instructions, without an order, to give a worthy rebuff to the lousy zats, to disperse this damn coddle and restore constitutional order in the country! Threw and left for China for 4 days! So far, we will wait for orders from such people and WE WILL LIVE, PERFORMING ANOTHER'S FALSE !!!
      4. Sandov
        Sandov 3 December 2013 19: 35
        +1
        Quote: Akim
        no need to introduce such an additional factor as foreign troops.

        We are one people, we need to help each other - if they ask of course.
        1. Akim
          Akim 3 December 2013 19: 50
          0
          Quote: Sandov
          if they ask of course.

          That's it. I do not take a vicious approach to Russia, but you must understand. The country is sovereign and the military executes orders according to the oath. There will be admission - friend, will not - interventionist. Brotherly love has nothing to do with it.
  • abrakadabre
    abrakadabre 3 December 2013 11: 59
    +5
    If we can handle it, it means from the current government.
    1. The keyword EZHELI.
    2. Your power is not acting, but inactive. Unfortunately. And it has been a long time since. negative
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 3 December 2013 12: 26
    +3
    Quote: Akim
    There was no corresponding team.

    And yourself without a team, will you watch how they wave their rags, which they call flags?
    1. Akim
      Akim 3 December 2013 12: 31
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      And without a team, just watch.

      And at whose expense will the banquet be? Okay, I have a car, but from Donetsk, how many will get? Or do you think Lviv themselves dropped off on buses?
      1. lukke
        lukke 3 December 2013 14: 48
        10
        Yes, they are joking ... We ourselves were in Russia in the 91st, in the 93rd we were waiting for how it would all end. Then they waited ... Just now they began to recover
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      3. alicante11
        alicante11 3 December 2013 15: 26
        +2
        Do you need to pay for the struggle for your homeland? You have a car, but for the rest the trains, it seems, have not been canceled.
        1. Akim
          Akim 3 December 2013 20: 04
          +1
          Quote: alicante11
          You have a car, but for the rest the trains, it seems, have not been canceled.

          People will not go at their own expense, and even on New Year's Eve, moreover, you need to live somewhere and have something.
    2. chuchupaka
      chuchupaka 3 December 2013 19: 59
      -4
      I’ll ask you not to offend the national symbols of Ukraine.
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 3 December 2013 20: 16
        +3
        Quote: chuchupaka
        I’ll ask you not to offend the national symbols of Ukraine.

        Since when has the red-black Bandera rag become some kind of symbol? Your request is ignored for its baselessness and absurdity.
        you would go to school !!!
  • Valter
    Valter 3 December 2013 14: 36
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    You cannot deal with Bandera,

    We can. There was no corresponding team.


    from space laughing
  • Don
    Don 3 December 2013 15: 21
    0
    Quote: Akim
    We can. There was no corresponding team.

    I think two options. Either she will arrive soon, or they will freeze them until the enthusiasm subsides.
  • Don
    Don 3 December 2013 15: 21
    +2
    Quote: Akim
    We can. There was no corresponding team.

    I think two options. Either she will arrive soon, or they will freeze them until the enthusiasm subsides.
  • Corsair
    Corsair 3 December 2013 21: 08
    +2
    Quote: Akim
    We can. There was no corresponding team.

    Akim, "cons" for your comments can only be explained by the reaction of the Svidomites ...
    For me (and for most Russians), for example, they sound encouraging that Ukraine will be able to overcome the SAMA crisis. And Svidomo, as you can see, are annoying.
  • Vadivak
    Vadivak 3 December 2013 10: 18
    29
    Quote: Akim
    We can handle it ourselves.


    Do not pay attention. These statements are from ignorance of history.
    "It is necessary not only to tear away, but also to oppose Ukraine to Russia, play off two parts of a single people and watch how a brother will kill a brother ... To do this, you just need to find and raise traitors among the national elite and with their help change the self-consciousness of one part of the great people to to such an extent that he will hate everything Russian, hate his kind, without realizing it. Everything else is a matter of time. "
    Otto von Bismarck

    Does Klitschko seem to have a residence permit in Germany?
    1. Uncle
      Uncle 3 December 2013 11: 46
      +8
      Quote: Vadivak
      These statements are from ignorance of history.

      Quote: Vadivak
      Otto von Bismarck

      At one time, Wasserman simply proposed to buy Ukraine. This idea impresses me, in general, it’s time for Russia to move from a policy of patience and retreat to active imperial actions, a Great Power after all.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 3 December 2013 12: 24
        +3
        Quote: Uncle
        At one time, Wasserman simply proposed to buy Ukraine.

        Who to buy from?
        1. Uncle
          Uncle 3 December 2013 13: 00
          +4
          She herself, like a woman. laughing
      2. chuchupaka
        chuchupaka 3 December 2013 20: 02
        -2
        A great power from a derivative is great. Only. Knock on another.
    2. Sandov
      Sandov 3 December 2013 13: 34
      +1
      Quote: Vadivak
      Quote: Akim
      We can handle it ourselves.


      Do not pay attention. These statements are from ignorance of history.
      "It is necessary not only to tear away, but also to oppose Ukraine to Russia, play off two parts of a single people and watch how a brother will kill a brother ... To do this, you just need to find and raise traitors among the national elite and with their help change the self-consciousness of one part of the great people to to such an extent that he will hate everything Russian, hate his kind, without realizing it. Everything else is a matter of time. "
      Otto von Bismarck

      Does Klitschko seem to have a residence permit in Germany?

      From pre-Petrine times to this day, such a policy of the West towards us.
    3. Tamparu
      Tamparu 3 December 2013 14: 51
      +5
      Quote: Vadivak


      Does Klitschko seem to have a residence permit in Germany?


      I will not be surprised that Turchinov and Yatsenyuk already have not only a residence permit in Israel, but full-fledged passports of citizens of these countries.
      Yesterday I listened to how Turchinov spoke at Euromaidan in "online mode" via the Internet. There are no words, pure populism ... God, and people follow these ...
    4. Tamparu
      Tamparu 3 December 2013 14: 51
      0
      Quote: Vadivak


      Does Klitschko seem to have a residence permit in Germany?


      I will not be surprised that Turchinov and Yatsenyuk already have not only a residence permit in Israel, but full-fledged passports of citizens of these countries.
      Yesterday I listened to how Turchinov spoke at Euromaidan in "online mode" via the Internet. There are no words, pure populism ... God, and people follow these ...
    5. Sergey Sitnikov
      Sergey Sitnikov 4 December 2013 13: 08
      0
      I forgot Brzezinskaya, I would have made a Columbia tie for him
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  • stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 3 December 2013 10: 38
    10
    Quote: Akim
    Enter the troops - I will consider the aggressor. We can handle it ourselves.

    Hi Akim!
    Do not be nervous ...
    Everyone is waiting for the end of the mess in Kiev.
    There must be power in the country.
    Today, Kiev is close to Moscow in October 1993. But I hope no shots follow. And Yanek (or Hazard) should put things in order.
    1. Akim
      Akim 3 December 2013 10: 43
      +3
      Quote: stalkerwalker
      Today Kiev is close to Moscow in October 1993

      Nothing is close. In Kiev, only opponents are raging, but there are no supporters and technical allies of the authorities.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 3 December 2013 11: 08
        +4
        Quote: Akim
        Nothing is close.

        I want to believe...
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak 3 December 2013 11: 38
        +5
        Quote: Akim
        In Kiev, only opponents are raging, but there are no supporters and technical allies of the authorities.


        How could one lose face in such a short time? And it seems the truth about the deal with China on the lease of Ukrainian lands. Yanek leaves for a four-day visit to China for 10 billion green. And then Ukraine will pay for 7-10 years with grain.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 3 December 2013 12: 23
          +2
          Quote: Vadivak
          . And then Ukraine will pay for 7-10 years with grain.

          Yanukovych now needs money, more than air. He will follow any conditions with China, sign everything and not read it under any conditions.
          Hi Vadim hi
      3. Drosselmeyer
        Drosselmeyer 3 December 2013 11: 48
        +3
        Supporters of power? Is this the supporters of Yanukovych or what? And are there really still where?
        1. Akim
          Akim 3 December 2013 11: 56
          +8
          Quote: Drosselmeyer
          And are there really still where?

          There are such and their oh how many, especially in the east of the country. There are technical allies. I am one of them. I do not support Yanyk, but categorically against the three-headed snake of the opposition.
          1. Drosselmeyer
            Drosselmeyer 3 December 2013 12: 17
            +3
            Well, where are these supporters? In my opinion, in the east of Ukraine, after the promises of the Russian language, almost everyone understood the essence of Yanukovych and Co. Even in Sevastopol, the people will not speak for Yanukovych, but there are no other leaders.
            Gathering meetings of state employees according to the order is one thing, and voluntarily lagging behind your ideas is another.
            1. Akim
              Akim 3 December 2013 12: 20
              +5
              Quote: Drosselmeyer
              Gathering meetings of state employees according to the order is one thing, and voluntarily lagging behind your ideas is another.

              Do you know about the crowd effect? If you don't come today, tomorrow the "winners" will come for you.
      4. Don
        Don 3 December 2013 15: 29
        +4
        Quote: Akim
        Nothing is close. In Kiev, only opponents are raging, but there are no supporters and technical allies of the authorities.

        Yes, but they can be brought. If 40 thousand were brought from Donetsk to Shakhtar matches, then they can be brought in to retain power and 200 thousand. Moreover, someone will want to earn money, someone for the idea, and the Golden Eagle will also help.
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        1. Akim
          Akim 3 December 2013 16: 44
          0
          Quote: Don
          . If 40 thousand were brought from Donetsk to Shakhtar matches, then they can be brought in to retain power and 200 thousand.

          Here it is necessary to settle them for three or four days and that will not be enough.
          1. Don
            Don 3 December 2013 19: 24
            +2
            Quote: Akim
            Here it is necessary to settle them for three or four days and that will not be enough.

            Tents, potbelly stoves, food, vodka are organized and I think a week, or even two, will stand at rallies. And no more. Here, after all, they will not bring people to the machah, but for display. What would the EU see, what kind of association is not the whole nation, but only a part.
  • duke
    duke 3 December 2013 11: 04
    +2
    Akim, what about the fact that the Zapadents have already entered their gangs in Kiev? Wash up? And behind them, there are the Pans of Poles and Lithuania - what is the history repeating itself?
    1. Akim
      Akim 3 December 2013 11: 12
      +5
      Quote: duke
      Wash up? And behind them, there are the Pans of Poles and Lithuania - what is the history repeating itself?

      And if we really introduce Donetsk gangs to Kiev? and it really will not be scarecrows about the evil Donetsk (Donetsk), but a fairy tale can become a reality.
      1. APES
        APES 3 December 2013 11: 46
        +4
        Quote: Akim
        And if we really introduce Donetsk gangs to Kiev, we’ll introduce


        I put on our Donetsk gangs good
        1. chuchupaka
          chuchupaka 3 December 2013 20: 06
          -2
          Or maybe put on people who work and pay taxes. And who got the gas stranglehold of Moscow.
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 3 December 2013 20: 30
            +1
            Quote: chuchupaka
            Or maybe put on people who work and pay taxes. And who got the gas stranglehold of Moscow.


            Her, those who, due to the maydowners of 2004, were hesitated by the problem with the price of gas and those who work and pay taxes are the same people. The most cherished dream of these people is to break shards to those dirty Carpathian Neanderthals both for gas, and for endless maydaunas, and for fascism, and much more.
          2. Corsair
            Corsair 3 December 2013 21: 20
            +1
            Quote: chuchupaka
            Or maybe put on people who work and pay taxes.

            In the East, in the Donbass, and this is not only the Donetsk region. , people work hard and hard, and I will repeat once again: They NEVER try to try on the Maidan, they must work to support families.

            And do not force them to postpone the work ... People are angry.
          3. Corsair
            Corsair 3 December 2013 21: 22
            +2
            Quote: chuchupaka
            Or maybe put on people who work and pay taxes.

            In the East, in the Donbass, and this is not only the Donetsk region. , people work hard and hard, and I repeat once again: They NEVER try to try on the Maidan, they must work to support families.

            And do not force them to postpone the work ... People are angry.
            1. Akim
              Akim 3 December 2013 21: 28
              +3
              Quote: Corsair
              And do not force them to postpone the work ... People are angry.

              Yesterday wrote:
              Quote: Akim
              Let Yanyk tell FAS that the working guys from the southeast will come together and go to Kiev. The capital farts from the multimillion influx.
          4. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 3 December 2013 23: 29
            +3
            Quote: chuchupaka
            And who got the gas stranglehold of Moscow.

            And why haven’t you been strangled yet?
          5. Cat
            Cat 4 December 2013 00: 08
            +1
            Quote: chuchupaka
            Or maybe put on people who work and pay taxes. And who got the gas stranglehold of Moscow.

            the Moscow gas noose has quite a Ukrainian face. With a scythe on top, yeah. And this person sits in a jail (or rather, lies in a ward with all the amenities), and intensely simulates the symptoms of a dozen diseases unknown to science. And the democratic European public, not sleeping at night for joy for the good of ordinary Ukrainians - by persuasion, threats, and other crooks, is trying to achieve the release of this person from the dungeons, at least bypassing Ukrainian laws. Such an interesting layout is obtained.

            And they are to blame for everything - they got wet, of course. Who would doubt that.
          6. Sergey Sitnikov
            Sergey Sitnikov 4 December 2013 13: 17
            +1
            even the term is Albright’s stranglehold (((((((well, at least think of something, yeah, Gogoli and Shevchenko have transferred to Ukraine, Sharpe is now writing to you
          7. yastr
            yastr 4 December 2013 17: 16
            +1
            :) buy from others, what’s the problem? :)
      2. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 3 December 2013 12: 03
        +2
        And if we really introduce Donetsk gangs to Kiev?
        And if, and if ... Yes, if only. The country is sprinting in the ass, and everyone is swinging. Do it.
        Not for the sake of quarreling and cursing I say.
        1. Akim
          Akim 3 December 2013 12: 12
          +2
          Quote: abrakadabre
          and if ... Yes, if only. The country is sprinting in the ass, and everyone is swinging

          Any procession must be organized. This is nonsense that the Sunday rally was spontaneous. Only the people of Kiev, who hate Yanyk, came out spontaneously. The main core was organized in advance. Fedorovich does not have such massive support in the capital. He needs to pull people from the eastern and southern regions. and to create such a massive picture on the TV screen, you need a lot of money for the organization. If he takes such a step, then it will be seen. Now the opposition in Kiev has 10-15 thousand "bayonets" from the western regions.
          1. chuchupaka
            chuchupaka 3 December 2013 20: 10
            -1
            Do not be silly, the youth came out. Since the future is more important for her than the bottomless pockets of Gazprom and the lies of power. We’ll see what will happen next. But they are the future.
            1. Akim
              Akim 3 December 2013 20: 31
              +2
              Quote: chuchupaka
              But they are the future.

              Naturally they are the future, but far away. And now I have such a weakness. At least twice a day I want to eat.
            2. Hudo
              Hudo 3 December 2013 20: 32
              +1
              Quote: chuchupaka
              But they are the future

              people without brains, people who have nothing to say except the chants for the future.
            3. yastr
              yastr 4 December 2013 17: 59
              0
              what naivety ..
        2. Don
          Don 3 December 2013 15: 38
          0
          Quote: abrakadabre
          And if, and if ... Yes, if only. The country is sprinting in the ass, and everyone is swinging. Do it.
          Not for the sake of quarreling and cursing I say.

          There will be an urgent need for a week to bring from the Southeast. Do you think the authorities have not yet considered this option? I’m sure that I’ve already thought it over, but so far they are content with Berkut, mercenary fighters and frost, so that they would not mumble once again in Europe about the violation of freedom of speech and human rights. As soon as there is a need to counterbalance to show Europe that not all Ukraine in the EU wants and supports the president, they will immediately bring people to Kiev, and will bring people out to the squares of the regional centers of the Southeast.
      3. duke
        duke 3 December 2013 18: 01
        +3
        since when for you is the east of the country and Donetsk guys, the same gangs as Bender's UNA / UNSO and so on. scum? From that moment on in more detail ... Is it the Donetsk people who put Kiev on their ears and threw stones and Molotov cocktails at the police? Truly Akim, you at least think what you are talking about ... Otherwise tomorrow you will be these "good" lads and ... at best, on board ...
        1. Akim
          Akim 3 December 2013 18: 09
          -2
          Quote: duke
          since when for you the east of the country and the Donetsk guys, the same gangs as the Bender UNA / UNSO and so on. scum?

          I do not identify them, but I say that there also have their own gangs. Criminal, half-headed, legal and illegal, but there are. I know from personal experience of adolescence. True, this is not the same, the first half of 90-, they have calmed down, but the fire can always be lit up.
  • APES
    APES 3 December 2013 11: 39
    0
    Quote: Akim
    Enter the troops - I will consider the aggressor.


    You already told me that. Don’t worry, I haven’t made a decision yet, I think ...
  • sasha.28blaga
    sasha.28blaga 3 December 2013 11: 41
    +3
    Your words to God in my soul. Tired (honestly) to worry about the crested relatives.
  • Tamparu
    Tamparu 3 December 2013 12: 21
    +5
    Wonder how we're gonna handle It turns me around, both from the European Union and from Yanyka & Hopcompany. There is no desire to protect either one or the other. We need a third option, but which one? I, for example, do not see yet. There is no third reasonable force, like the army of Batka Makhno, which will fight for the people, Ukraine, and not for their "babules" .... No words, some expressions ...
    1. Akim
      Akim 3 December 2013 12: 24
      +6
      Quote: TampaRU
      There is no third reasonable force

      I agree, but we have no right to cede the radicals from western Ukraine.
      Or have you forgotten how you mocked the defeated southeast in 2005?
      1. Tamparu
        Tamparu 3 December 2013 12: 37
        +3
        I agree 100%. But Yanukovych cannot be the symbol, the "flag", the devil take it, a "political instructor" for which one should go on the attack. For me, the concepts of "Ukroradicals of the European Union" and "Gopstopniks of Yanukovych" are now in equilibrium .... I would disperse them all, to hell ...
        1. Akim
          Akim 3 December 2013 12: 50
          +2
          Quote: TampaRU
          For me, the concepts of "Ukroradicals of the European Union" and "Gopstopniks of Yanukovych" are now in balance.

          The radicals are not in power, the army does not obey them. They will come - they will find an external enemy. Guess who?
          1. Tamparu
            Tamparu 3 December 2013 13: 11
            +2
            The radicals are not in power, the army does not obey them. They will come - they will find an external enemy. Guess who?

            It's not hard to guess. But, if everything now goes well for "Me and Co", then everything will return to normal .... Or do you propose to choose the lesser of two evils, and then we'll see? But then there will be, 100%, again attempts to breed the people for their own good ... but not attempts, but it will be so ... until 2015, not far, they need to grab more ...
            1. Akim
              Akim 3 December 2013 13: 17
              +1
              Quote: TampaRU
              But, if everything now goes well for "Me and Co", then everything will return to normal ....

              Will not come back. The people rose correctly against corruption. So they will not become impudent. They will definitely be allowed.
        2. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 3 December 2013 13: 11
          +5
          Quote: TampaRU
          But Yanukovych cannot be that symbol, "flag", "political instructor" damn it, for which one should go on the attack

          The president is the guarantor of the constitution.
          The name of the guarantor is a temporary phenomenon.
          1. Tamparu
            Tamparu 3 December 2013 13: 18
            +6
            The president is the guarantor of the constitution.
            The name of the guarantor is a temporary phenomenon.

            For the president, that he is a guarantor, yes, I agree. For the fact that it is temporary, perhaps, too, yes. But how did his power get it ... therefore, while we smoke on the sidelines ... we will look .... Even somehow it became easier in my soul ... let it get a little nervous because of the "Ukrogadikalov" ....: - ) and then maybe we will help ... And who is it easy now?)))))
            1. Akim
              Akim 3 December 2013 13: 20
              +1
              Quote: TampaRU
              It even became somehow easier on my soul ... let it get a little nervous because of the "Ukrogadikaly" .... :-) and then, maybe we will help ...

              Here I agree.
      2. APES
        APES 3 December 2013 12: 53
        0
        Quote: Akim
        I agree, but we have no right to cede the radicals from western Ukraine.


        Bravo Akim,

        I am glad that you are for "ours", for our common cause, for the Great and Mighty Russia !!!

        Quote: Akim
        Quote: TampaRU There is no third reasonable force


        She is!!!
        1. Tamparu
          Tamparu 3 December 2013 13: 22
          +1
          She is!!!

          Tell me about this, I would like to know more for it ...
      3. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 3 December 2013 13: 09
        +3
        Quote: Akim
        Or have you forgotten how you mocked the defeated southeast in 2005?

        You will not forget this ...
        Then they began to rewrite history, impute OTHER ideological foundations and principles.
        Statehood is the order in the country and compliance with laws.
      4. chuchupaka
        chuchupaka 3 December 2013 20: 11
        -1
        Yeah, before they made Yanukovych the prime minister under President Yushchenko. Or forgot.
        1. Akim
          Akim 3 December 2013 20: 34
          +2
          Quote: chuchupaka
          Or forgot.

          And how much did he steer the cab? Really: from August to April. And then it started!
    2. Don
      Don 3 December 2013 15: 44
      +3
      Quote: TampaRU
      Need a third option, but which one?

      Medvedchuk, KPU, in Odessa Homeland. In Donetsk, a lot of people from my friends and acquaintances voted for the Communist Party of Ukraine in the last parliamentary elections, and these are mainly young people. True, I myself voted for the Party of Regions. In general, it would not hurt to rally around Medvedchuk all the small pro-Russian parties, and the Communist Party of Ukraine to create an alliance of leftist forces.
    3. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 3 December 2013 20: 13
      +2
      Quote: TampaRU
      It turns me around, both from the European Union and from Yanyka & Hopcompany. There is no desire to protect either one or the other. We need a third option, but which one?

      Elections are just around the corner. There, and show your civic consciousness. The only question is, will there be worthy candidates present at the elections?
  • Alekseev
    Alekseev 3 December 2013 13: 40
    +4
    Akim, well done, I thought it’s freezing on the Maidan, and he is on the right path to restore order their Ukrainian healthy forces! good
    But in another way it is not possible.
    About any introduction of troops - this is the nonsense of "some civilians". Them, the troops, now that one, two and missed.
    And whom to crush with troops? There are few banderlogs, although a spoonful of tar spoils a barrel of honey. Muddled by propaganda and extremely pissed off by their corrupt power?
    Ukraine needs help, but not money, but development of joint production projects.
    True, Yanukovych does not deserve to be reassured, he fooled his citizens, a week before signing it dopped that it was impossible to sign.
    But what is ...
    1. Akim
      Akim 3 December 2013 14: 09
      0
      Quote: Alekseev
      Akim, well done, I thought it’s freezing on the Maidan, and he is on the right track

      But I have not changed my views. I am for signing an association with the EU. True, not on enslaving conditions and not as a counterweight to Russia. As for the vehicle, I can’t give a definite answer. If two days ago, I definitely didn’t want to join any union (neither the EU nor the CU), but now I am inclined to the second, just to annoy the Westerners. Although I believe that the FTA is enough for us
      1. Tamparu
        Tamparu 3 December 2013 15: 14
        +4
        Quote: Akim

        But I have not changed my views. I am for signing an association with the EU. True, not on bonded terms and not in opposition to Russia ...


        Akim, do you really think that Ukraine will be given normal conditions for a free trade zone? Do they need a new, hungry competitor? I doubt.
        They would have to deal with their own: Greece, Italy, etc.
        And then there's such a colossus, Ukraine. Here, under normal conditions for Ukraine, the European Union, a sack will come ... And on the exhaust they rule, God forgive me ...
        1. Akim
          Akim 3 December 2013 16: 22
          0
          Quote: TampaRU
          Akim, do you really think that Ukraine will be given normal conditions for a free trade zone?

          I know not. Apparently, therefore, they do not sign it.
      2. Tamparu
        Tamparu 3 December 2013 15: 14
        0
        Quote: Akim

        But I have not changed my views. I am for signing an association with the EU. True, not on bonded terms and not in opposition to Russia ...


        Akim, do you really think that Ukraine will be given normal conditions for a free trade zone? Do they need a new, hungry competitor? I doubt.
        They would have to deal with their own: Greece, Italy, etc.
        And then there's such a colossus, Ukraine. Here, under normal conditions for Ukraine, the European Union, a sack will come ... And on the exhaust they rule, God forgive me ...
  • complete zero
    complete zero 3 December 2013 09: 44
    11
    one more warrior internationalist))) WE ARE NOT WHO ANYONE AND NOTHING ANYTHING! -you want a war in your mind!? - and it will not be a Georgian scenario! -I am sure that Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin will never go to the troops
  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 3 December 2013 10: 05
    +9
    Let them defend themselves, they can do it in a state of tea not without hands, and then again, according to the old habit, they will blame the damned for everything. With advice, in a word, we can and should help, well, certainly not soldiers.
  • O_RUS
    O_RUS 3 December 2013 10: 11
    12
    Quote: Flinky
    We must protect Ukraine from geyropskih bandits.


    as a Ukrainian I will tell you: "Russia does not owe Ukraine anything"
  • yurii p
    yurii p 3 December 2013 10: 12
    +5
    the depth of your thinking is amazing, and that we brought in the troops and then we get the third world war, you want this, apparently you are so militant that you probably will not regret your relatives, friends, neighbors and send them all to war? I do not think that you wish your loved ones the fate of a "cannon meat ", then it is necessary to use the BRAINS and help Ukraine with political methods, now I see only one solution, this is to organize a protest movement in favor of Yanukovych, and to bring millions of people to the streets, i.e. act on the principle of" opposition "and should finance this movement, and Russia is obliged, and not by limited means, otherwise the consequences for the country will be negative, the involvement of Ukraine in the European Union, this is the first step in drawing Ukraine into NATO.
    1. Tamparu
      Tamparu 3 December 2013 12: 31
      +5
      What Yanukovych? Who threw everyone up like boys? For me, this is the main bandit in Ukraine !!!!! And he planted the "watchers" in all regions of Ukraine. They take business from normal people in an impudent way, they row everything for themselves !!! Already seen enough ... And for this ***** get out? Don't tell my sneakers !!!!! Something else is needed, a third one that can unite normal people and for which it will be possible to protect Ukraine from the European Union and from Yanukovych !!!!!
  • Averias
    Averias 3 December 2013 10: 26
    +8
    Quote: Flinky
    I believe that if he goes, Putin will not be slow to give an order to send our troops to Ukraine. There is simply no other way out. We must protect Ukraine from geyropskih bandits.


    A masterpiece, a storm of applause. A logical question arises, which the forum users have already voiced - WHY?
    Vladimir Putin clearly and clearly said: Integration of Ukraine into the EEC is a private affair of Ukraine. Where else. And the fact that in Crimea they collect signatures on an appeal to the President of Russia. In the provision of military assistance, so .... excuse me, is there any kind of profanity? What is it like? Is this an intervention?
  • Sandov
    Sandov 3 December 2013 11: 22
    0
    The failure of President Yanukovych of the planned "European triumph of Europe" in Vilnius, which turned into a public insult to the whole "civilized world" (after all, it turns out that this very world made Ukraine an unworthy, insulting offer and received for it "spitting in the face", and from whom - from "Yanyka"!), They will not forgive him. Never: insults "barbarians" Europe has never forgiven.

    Well and with what these geyropeytsy will answer, yes stick their tongue in .opu. And swallow. Our fellows did not bend to the west.
  • Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 3 December 2013 11: 45
    +2
    <<
    Putin will not hesitate to give the order to send our troops into Ukraine. >>>
    If the infuriated Maydauns, with their Western "sponsors", go to the forcible overthrow of the legitimate government, which is quite likely, then it can officially turn to Russia for help, and then Russia, on a legal basis, can help "return" all this heated public to its place!
  • cdrt
    cdrt 3 December 2013 12: 00
    +1
    Quote: Flinky
    I believe that if he goes, Putin will not be slow to give an order to send our troops to Ukraine. There is simply no other way out. We must protect Ukraine from geyropskih bandits.


    My dear - I suspect that you will be the only one introduced to Ukraine. laughing
    Putin seems to be preaching Realpolitik, which means the art of the possible, not the "right".
    Well ... Russia may be 20 years old, and Russia is more than 1000.
    Let's wait, maybe 5, maybe 10, and maybe 100.
    Geopolitics is not going anywhere.
  • 222222
    222222 3 December 2013 13: 14
    -2
    Europe and Putin are well aware that in the current economic and political state, Ukraine is hemorrhoids in one place ....
    1 Even the signing of the Eastern Partnership between Ukraine and the EU does not oblige Europe, and Ukraine receives only problems in the economy and foreign trade ..
    2. Ukraine's entry into the Customs Union is not possible without changing the main documents on Ukraine's foreign policy .., where the strategic course to the West is written out .. In its current composition, the Supreme Council is unlikely to be able to do anything new and deploy a "ship" ..
    3. Therefore, Ukraine remains an unenviable role to be a cardon between Europe and Asia ... which probably suits both Europe and the Russian Federation .. And rely on its own strength and help from "Friends" competing with both Europe and Russia. Today the official president's visit begins Ukraine V F Yanukovych In Chinese HP ,,,
    1. IS-80
      IS-80 3 December 2013 14: 21
      +1
      Quote: 222222
      Therefore, Ukraine remains the unenviable role of being a cardon between Europe and Asia


      And who did you record in Asia? And what is Ukraine in this case? Cordon they understand how the Poles spoke. Ndaaa ..
      1. 222222
        222222 3 December 2013 17: 49
        0
        IS-80 SU Today, 14:21 PM ↑ how the Poles spoke ...
        And you look attentively. what is going on between Ukraine on the one hand and on the other, the RF, China, the EU ...
        1.Ukraine-RF:
        02.12.2013 20:46
        Press office of the President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych Ukraine will continue negotiations with the Russian Federation on the Strategic Partnership Agreement - Viktor Yanukovych
        - 2013.12.01 11:39 Yanukovych will visit Russia after a visit to China - Azarov
        -03.12.2013 13:51, LATEST NEWS Before going to Rada, Azarov met with the Russian Deputy Prime Minister
        http://www.unian.net/news/609204-pered-tem-kak-poehat-v-radu-azarov-vstrechalsya
        -s-rossiyskim-vitse-premerom.html
        2. Ukraine – PRC:
        On December 3-6, the state visit of the President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych to the People’s Republic of China will take place ... "A large number of various agreements are being prepared for signing, including investments for Ukraine," Viktor Yanukovych said.
        ..................
        “Then what happens?” Trilateral dialogue: Ukraine - European Union - Russia, ”the President said, adding that the result of these negotiations is unknown.
        The head of state emphasized that European values ​​for Ukraine remain unchanged.
        “I have repeatedly emphasized this: I have been, am and will be a supporter of European democratic values ​​and standards. And the reforms that we started in 2010 are aimed at this, ”he stressed, adding that much has been done, but more is yet to come.
        http://www.president.gov.ua/ru/news/29657.html

        3.Ukraine –EC ………
  • Vovka levka
    Vovka levka 3 December 2013 15: 48
    -2
    Quote: Flinky
    I believe that if he goes, Putin will not be slow to give an order to send our troops to Ukraine. There is simply no other way out. We must protect Ukraine from geyropskih bandits.

    Dear YOU, what's the problem with your head?
  • Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 3 December 2013 16: 13
    +1
    Yes, you, an unknown citizen, are an ordinary provocateur. Have you read Julio Jurenito? About you.
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  • chuchupaka
    chuchupaka 3 December 2013 18: 59
    0
    Do not live in a world of illusions. Ukraine is not a Soviet republic, and Russia is not an empire, as if someone did not want it.
    1. Rider
      Rider 3 December 2013 23: 13
      +2
      Quote: chuchupaka
      Do not live in a world of illusions

      do not live in a world of illusions, Ukraine is not a country.
      she is not even a pawn in the game, she herself is the game board.
      where adult, independent players play their games.

      however, you can continue to think that something depends on you.
  • yur20100
    yur20100 3 December 2013 22: 06
    +2
    completely agree I need to protect Ukraine from europidors
  • Grandson of Veteran
    Grandson of Veteran 4 December 2013 00: 10
    0
    "Putin will not be slow to give the order ..."
    You need to be a clinical idiot, so that in an absolutely win-win situation you can give yourself a fire. Not everyone has evolved into European parliamentarians. hi
  • Hunghuz
    Hunghuz 5 December 2013 16: 57
    0
    hi I wandered around the Maidan from childhood) without having a native angle) oh why agreed to Guy) oh why did my mother give birth ......))))) The Republic of Shkid on the Maidan
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 3 December 2013 08: 13
    21
    once again I am convinced that wherever the United States and Europe climb, chaos and blood are everywhere am
    1. Vasia kruger
      Vasia kruger 3 December 2013 10: 15
      +4
      Quote: avant-garde
      once again I am convinced that wherever the United States and Europe climb, chaos and blood are everywhere am


      And you will not say better ...
    2. major071
      major071 3 December 2013 12: 02
      +5
      So they have such a method since time immemorial. Count if there is at least one country to which they brought peace? No, everyone to one extent or another washed their blood. The imposition of chaos to direct cash flows into your pocket is the main goal of the West. Money at the head of the table, the rest to the side. negative Who in the West cares about the fate of the Ukrainian people? No one! Here is the loss of markets - yes. Cheap labor, the collapse of industry - these are all the goals of European integration. stop
  • saag
    saag 3 December 2013 08: 13
    +8
    Quote: Flinky
    Putin will not be slow to give an order to send our troops to Ukraine

    Will not give up, however, the Olympics
    1. unclevad
      unclevad 3 December 2013 08: 42
      +4
      Euro-Americans precisely guessed the moment. If Russia goes to coercive measures-Khan Olympics in Sochi. Ukraine is not some 1980 Afghanistan. Our losses in this matter will be significant. Russia invested heavily in it.
      1. bif
        bif 3 December 2013 09: 38
        14
        Stop thinking like Mackain, NO ONE in the Russian Federation will use military force either against Ukraine or against the West.
        Ukraine is already at an impasse - Putin’s position is simple and will be instructive for many even outside Ukraine - They assured the porridge, and tear it up yourself ... For the Russian Federation to start helping Ukraine, I have little idea of ​​what kind of concessions the government should make. And with the West it’s even easier, they are afraid of the reaction of the Russian Federation, because the precarious financial condition of the EU countries is VERY dependent on the Russian Federation. Therefore, the paid arrogants in Ukraine will not make gestures, as the government will Maidan and the nerves will patter ...
    2. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 3 December 2013 09: 35
      12
      Will not give up, however, the Olympics
      In 2008, there was also an interesting Olympiad: a scarecrow shot gave the command to "start" the Olympian sprinters in the 100m race, after 10 seconds the sprinters were surprised, the judges were surprised, the audience gasped, objects in the deep rear. Meanwhile, the US and EU governments were nervously smoking on the sidelines.
  • PSih2097
    PSih2097 3 December 2013 08: 14
    +4
    Never: insults from the "barbarians" "Europe" has never forgiven.

    And my revenge will be scary ... wassat
    1. Polovec
      Polovec 3 December 2013 08: 28
      21
      Even as forgiving! Our Cossacks rode around Paris. And my grandfather talked about Berlin! Europe does not get used to wiping. Where money plays the role of God, there is no place left for the principles. If only we would remember about it, otherwise we’ll see some kind of False Dmitry in the Kremlin ...
      1. unclevad
        unclevad 3 December 2013 08: 50
        +6
        We rode in Paris, we skate and we will skate. But what kind of blood. We put everyone in their place, but at a high price. But our politicians profiled Yanukovych. To resist these integrators, it would be necessary to play their game on the territory of the "doubters", and not just screw up the tap.
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 3 December 2013 12: 10
          +2
          Only with what kind of blood.
          We remember everything. Big blood. Even huge. But we will not tickle the Europeans either. The same Berlin after that "walk" didn't look like a Sunday park. The main thing in this matter is that not only the direct performers, but all sorts of Fuhrer there are on the bench or in the coffin. And so that the customers-moneybags too.
    2. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 3 December 2013 13: 25
      +7
      Quote: PSih2097
      And my revenge will be scary ...

      Yes, don't give a damn! .. Pus the unfinished "avengers" take revenge ... What can they do besides another stupidity? wink

      This view is still better ... wink
  • Denis
    Denis 3 December 2013 08: 14
    17
    “Europe” has never forgiven insults from “barbarians”
    Here is their whole enlightenment
    For them it is equal to hole
    Who wants with them along the way?
  • domokl
    domokl 3 December 2013 08: 15
    10
    That's right. I also think that today there will be the first corpse tomorrow. Of course, it’s better for the opposition to be a Berkutian. Then the Golden Eagle will begin a power cleansing. But the demonstrator will come down ... A boy of some kind 18-20 years old. incentive to an armed seizure of power.
    Yanukovych really played out of the blue, in the beginning, getting ready to sign, rejected the eastern Ukrainians from himself, and then, without signing the western ones. Today it is completely unclear who will be his support.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 3 December 2013 08: 28
      +4
      Quote: domokl
      I also think that today there will be the first corpse tomorrow. Of course, it’s better for the opposition to be a Berkutian. Then the Golden Eagle will begin a power sweep. But the demonstrator will also come down

      Hello Sasha! To do this, you need only a couple of shooters on the roof, then the situation will quickly get out of control and everything will burn! And it is not strange, the loser in this will be Europe. She will not only not get the market, she will lose that little that she has now.
      Quote: domokl
      . Today it is completely not clear who will be his support.

      Nobody, each for himself
  • sscha
    sscha 3 December 2013 08: 16
    +4
    Yanukovych does not seem to go to Brussels. There is no time to argue. Time will tell... hi
    1. Akim
      Akim 3 December 2013 09: 40
      0
      Quote: sscha
      Yanukovych does not seem to go to Brussels

      Today he flies to China, the end of the week to Moscow.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 3 December 2013 10: 13
        +5
        Quote: Akim

        Today he flies to China, the end of the week to Moscow.

        Question - why?
        The answer is for money winked
        1. Akim
          Akim 3 December 2013 10: 17
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          The answer is for money

          Naturally.
        2. IGS
          IGS 3 December 2013 12: 01
          +2
          Or maybe easier. He flies to not be there if he begins. And he will save his skin and say that he is not responsible for the events that may occur, he was far away, conducted important negotiations, etc. ministers screwed up.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 3 December 2013 12: 20
            +3
            Quote: IGS
            Or maybe easier. He flies to not be there if he begins

            No, he flies first to Beijing to ask for 10 billion bucks, and then to Moscow. If in China they give money, then Yanukovych will be able to bend his fingers temporarily in front of Putin, and if not, he will ask for loot from Putin laughing
            Yanukovych goes to China for a loan of $ 10 billionKIEV, December 3. President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych, despite what is happening in the country, is leaving for a four-day visit to China. This was reported by the press service of the head of state.http://news.mail.ru/abroad/
            1. IGS
              IGS 3 December 2013 12: 40
              +2
              Yes, the fact of the matter is that all this can no longer save him, he lost support from some for a long time, and from others as soon as he refused to sign. All the people of Ukraine are one in one, he does not want Yanukovych. But China will not give this money. And Putin is unlikely to talk to him about anything specific while he hangs in the balance. The maximum is because it is not signed, it will help like Snowden laughing
            2. Gomunkul
              Gomunkul 3 December 2013 17: 38
              0
              No, he flies first to Beijing to ask for 10 billion bucks
              Or maybe he flew to ask for political asylum, well, just in case, if suddenly what happens? wink
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 3 December 2013 08: 16
    +2
    Never: insults from the "barbarians" "Europe" has never forgiven.


    And what else can you expect from that very "Europe". They got used to it in full, and now they will shit as soon as they can.
  • makarov
    makarov 3 December 2013 08: 17
    23
    What revenge to sherry ???
    Today-tomorrow, the oligarchy will find a common language, they will kiss on the gums, holding cookies in their pockets, and they will find the necessary scapegoats. And quietly under the necessary slogans and promises dissolve dissatisfied and deceived people.
    1. Akim
      Akim 3 December 2013 09: 41
      +1
      Plus from me.
      1. Garrin
        Garrin 3 December 2013 10: 01
        0
        And from me too.
    2. Jake danzels
      Jake danzels 3 December 2013 10: 26
      0
      Another plus.
    3. Gato
      Gato 3 December 2013 15: 57
      +1
      Quote: makarov
      And quietly under the necessary slogans and promises dissolve dissatisfied and deceived people.

      As, in fact, was already in 2004.
      It would be faster, otherwise it’s already ... if these maydanutye. New Year on the nose.
    4. Oleg Kharkov
      Oleg Kharkov 3 December 2013 23: 02
      0
      The saddest thing is that the "golden eagle" and that young growth from the square turned out to be the scapegoats. A necessary sacrifice to excite the people. The first carried out the order, and the second set up their own.
  • vlad0
    vlad0 3 December 2013 08: 19
    +8
    In our time, no one will be able to "sit on two chairs". The example of Gaddafi is too illustrative. But Yanukovych did not believe, believing that he could be in the EU and from Russia receiving all the benefits. sad
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 3 December 2013 09: 31
      -20 qualifying.
      Yanukovych will not be saved by a trip to Brussels for the purpose of rehabilitation, not by a trip to China for money, or by ambassadors in Moscow beating the thresholds. He was framed. Handsomely. If the regionals themselves, before the scandalous statement of Azarov, were sure that they were going to the EU. According to Bogoslovskaya, "Yanukovych, at a meeting of the faction, over the knee broke those who were against the EU and achieved full agreement." Read an interview with Bogoslovskaya. Black-mouthed, scandalous, the mouthpiece of the regionals (she is part of the financial group that opposed Yanukovych). Don't be distracted by the EU. Today the people of Ukraine have risen not because of selfish interests. He rose to defend his Idea and Freedom. You can't live like this. All-Ukrainian strike is peaceful. The ruling bandits with their "titushki" provoke a bloody massacre. This is proved by filming the delivery of "titushki" bandyukovichs in buses to Bankovaya and their friendly communication with the police. The bandit power needs blood. Intimidate and disperse the people. Will not work. Such a mass of people has risen that even the golden eagle will not be enough. The army and just the police will not go against the people. Kiev shows that the golden eagle is raging. The police are simply being framed and the police have sympathy for the people. On Bankova Street, the golden eagle hid behind the backs of the conscripts, putting them under the bulldozer. Jumped out from behind their backs. He staged a massacre and immediately hid behind the conscripts. The policemen provided first aid to the beaten protesters. Read the interview with Bogoslovskaya. She leaked everyone. She pointed out who is behind the conspiracy against the EU and Yanukovych. Who is the author of the forceful development of events, who is trying to divide Ukraine into East and West. But everything turned out, but vice versa. The people are united. Who once again sits in a puddle and calls a multimillion-dollar action in all cities of Ukraine pogroms. Why? The script did not work. Advice to the hawks. Do not rattle your weapons. Do not threaten an armed invasion. The people of Ukraine will decide for themselves. Let not all Maidans be successful, we run up against Mazepa, but the people do not want to be "had". While your "hotheads" will be using the army to prove the brotherhood of the two peoples, you can stay without Russia until the Urals, and maybe the Don and the Volga. You see a speck of dust in someone else's eye, but what appears in your own log.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 3 December 2013 09: 37
        13
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        . He rose to defend his Idea and Freedom.

        Freedom ????? So you are not free again belay No, this is a unique nation, independent and not free-out wassat
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        The all-Ukrainian strike is peaceful.

        Yeah, 70 police officers in the hospital, well this is for peace laughing I don’t read further, I don’t want to burst with laughter wassat
        1. Captain Vrungel
          Captain Vrungel 3 December 2013 10: 21
          -7
          Yes, you are also not interested in reading. You cannot think, you live by other people's thoughts and phrases. You cannot distinguish provocateurs from protesters. Why? So I want that. Information has just passed. The authorities are preparing another provocation. A stage, frame tents, heat generators, field kitchens are being set up in front of the Verkhovna Rada. The "titushki" were brought in by buses. They are guarded by the police. What for? The authorities know that protesters will come to the Verkhovna Rada in an organized manner to express their protest. The authorities are preparing a provocation. Arrange a bloody showdown and introduce a state of emergency. The people came out for the sake of going "To live in a state governed by the rule of law, and not to exist like biomass." To be free and not oppressed by the bandit power. They didn't go out for buckwheat. Romanov cannot understand this. Read the Theological. She clearly leaked what forces led to such a situation. The provocateur and negotiator Klyuev, friend of Medvedchuk, Putin's godfather, Medvedchuk himself and the financial group of pro-Russian oligarchs. Today, the "hawks" of the bandit power will try to provoke a bloody clash, which could lead to a dictatorship, but not now and not in Ukraine. Scary, but these creatures will provoke a civil war. To your delight. Many are eager to shoot. You don’t understand that people didn’t come out for political reasons. We left because of the bloody dispersal of students on the Maidan. They came out because of the lawlessness and insolence, the cynicism of the authorities. You cannot understand this, Citizen Romanov. We live in different dimensions and we have different values. Just don’t attribute tyagniboka to me. I am an internationalist since serving in the army and real work in a huge international team, not only by nationality, but also by citizenship. I am sure that I have seen more countries live and talked with so many people that I can distinguish white from black and draw my own conclusions, and not imposed by someone. You are afraid of the truth. Give you chernukha about Ukraine.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 3 December 2013 10: 46
            +7
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            Give you Chernukha about Ukraine.

            Captain!
            What did you finish? OWIMU, OMU, HMU, ShMO?
            Or worked at the Odessa film studio?
            1. Captain Vrungel
              Captain Vrungel 3 December 2013 12: 15
              -2
              Judging by the estimates, not all people think like Romanov, but there are those who understand me and agree with me. Just do not make them draggers, German. They just know how to think and objectively evaluate. And messages in support come to the PM. Thank. What did you finish? Is this an indicator? This.
          2. andrey777
            andrey777 3 December 2013 11: 03
            +7
            I agree that the people have risen, but not without the help of the United States and Europe? It was all a matter of signing or not signing the association document. Europe in this case lost, lost common sense. Now the question is: does Ukraine really think that if it signs, it will start living I don’t think because it is very much connected with Russia (industry, spiritual ties, family). I feel sorry for Ukraine because you want or don’t want to, but still wake up with Russia, only Russia doesn’t want to pay Ukraine’s debts to Europe subsequently .
          3. Jake danzels
            Jake danzels 3 December 2013 11: 23
            -3
            in confirmation of your words about the provocateurs (below the video). These are SBU people, and not those who are against the convict.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bNoOLHgY6sU
          4. Gecko
            Gecko 3 December 2013 11: 40
            +5
            Again, you bl.t Russian blame! angry
            1. Icestar777
              Icestar777 3 December 2013 12: 51
              +8
              And what is interesting. Russia is "to blame" for "putting pressure" on Yanukovych and not letting him into the EU. And if Ukraine hadn’t put pressure on and Ukraine would have plunged into the EU, again Russia would have been to blame for not protecting and holding back. So, and so bad and all around guilty.
            2. Jake danzels
              Jake danzels 3 December 2013 16: 16
              0
              You have respected the shores? Or do you have a butchert?
              Have I even written a word about Russian wine?
              Or is the SBU (Security Service of Ukraine) a structure of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation?
              Have you watched a video? If not, I recommend, in short, that people who provoke the Golden Eagle, first jump on the shields, beat the golden eagle, then go behind their backs "to smoke, rest" and again run out and beat.
              1. Icestar777
                Icestar777 3 December 2013 16: 50
                0
                Have you written this to anyone now?
                1. Jake danzels
                  Jake danzels 3 December 2013 17: 42
                  0
                  Gecko, his post refers to my post.
          5. Nevsky_ZU
            Nevsky_ZU 3 December 2013 11: 52
            +4
            The people came out for the sake of going "To live in a state governed by the rule of law, and not to exist like biomass." To be free and not oppressed by the bandit power. They didn't go out for buckwheat. Romanov cannot understand this. Read Theological. She clearly leaked what forces led to such a situation. The provocateur and negotiator Klyuev, friend of Medvedchuk, Putin's godfather, Medvedchuk himself and the financial group of pro-Russian oligarchs. Today, the "hawks" of the bandit power will try to provoke a bloody clash, which could lead to a dictatorship, but not now and not in Ukraine. Scary, but these creatures will provoke a civil war. To your delight. Many are eager to shoot. You don’t understand that people didn’t come out for political reasons. We left because of the bloody dispersal of students on the Maidan. They came out because of the lawlessness and insolence, the cynicism of the authorities. You cannot understand this, Citizen Romanov. We live in different dimensions and we have different values.


            First reread what you wrote in the comments.

            And now it's all the way to the bottom, and you’ll understand. Romanova and me. By the way, I was orange once:

            http://topwar.ru/36726-intervyu-patriota-otryvok.html
            1. Gecko
              Gecko 3 December 2013 13: 06
              0
              You will not even understand or notice how your moods against Yanukovych are used by specific people to sign an association with the EU, that is, for completely different purposes.
              Concerning Yanukovych-rags. By the way, have you watched the old Soviet film "To Kill the Dragon"? It is relevant in any state system.
          6. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 3 December 2013 12: 10
            +4
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            Just that information has passed. The authorities are preparing another provocation

            Authorities said the authorities are preparing another provocation. 300 Berkut fighters will attack 300 Berkut fighters laughing
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            A stage, frame tents, heat generators, field kitchens are being set up in front of the Verkhovna Rada. The "titushki" were brought in by buses. They are guarded by the police. What for?

            The authorities do not have the right to organize rallies wink
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            Not for buckwheat

            Yeah, for 100 hryvnias in 3 hours laughing
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            and we have different values

            Yes, I agree, geirope "values" do not attract me.
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            You are afraid of the truth

            Shaking with fear wassat
            1. Captain Vrungel
              Captain Vrungel 3 December 2013 15: 56
              +2
              And because of such romances with their imperial ambitions and not inclination towards the opinions of others, to climb as a poor relative in the TS? No. We were born in the Soviet Union, who grew up in the USSR, until the time when the people of Russia and Ukraine marry for their Freedom and Independence from Bandit-capitalist power, this system Where everybody scares for the prosperity of a handful of plunderers legitimized by power, and strikebreakers push them. hi
              1. zasxdcfvv
                zasxdcfvv 4 December 2013 01: 06
                +1
                Why is the TS not the Union?
                1. Captain Vrungel
                  Captain Vrungel 4 December 2013 08: 29
                  0
                  We are building. Values. The power of money. The mobilization of the people. Do not think that the TS was created for the good of the people. It was created due to the non-competitive ability of industry thrown back decades ago at the stage of development of wild, criminal-thieves capital and attempts to stop the collapse of the empire.
              2. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 4 December 2013 04: 41
                +2
                Quote: Captain Vrungel
                when the people of Russia and Ukraine will marry their Freedom and Independence from Bandit-capitalist power

                You can’t wait, in Russia an orange trash will not come to power! For freedom, you say, you began to say how Bush Freedom is better than not freedom. They liberated Iraq, Libya, and now they are liberating Syria. fool
                1. Captain Vrungel
                  Captain Vrungel 4 December 2013 08: 53
                  +1
                  Listen to YOU ​​novels (surname, as in the original, with a small letter), poking. You see something farther than your raised nose, or the smoke obscures your eyes. I have never been orange, but I will not become a mat of the bandit power. The events in Ukraine have shown how the transfer of power by the "crappy way" of the organized criminal group can end for the people. You are a vivid representative of your own, far from democratic government, where dissidents are persecuted. Like the bandits frolic in your Vladivostok robbing the city. Where are the most powerful world-renowned organizations "Dalmoreproduct", "Vostokrybholodflot", "Dalzavod", the bandits? Who are in power? Or are you one of them. Rather in the role of "six".
                  You are there, in the moderators are listed. You can update my rating so that your eyes do not mule, or, as a bright representative of "crap", ban it. I HAVE HONOR.
          7. Cat
            Cat 3 December 2013 12: 14
            +5
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            The people came out for the sake of going "To live in a state governed by the rule of law, and not to exist like biomass." To be free and not oppressed by the bandit power

            But are there such states? Where? Please name at least one, otherwise I somehow have not heard of such states. Oh, and you haven't heard? And those who are on the Maidan - and they did not hear? What then came out? If it comes to that, it is better to speak out for resettlement to Mars - anyway, there are more chances to achieve a positive result than in the case of a "rule of law".
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            Read the Theological

            Che read there? It is said after all: language is given to politics in order to hide its thoughts. With reference to the Theological - it already once declared its withdrawal from the PR, about four years ago. That is, even then she knew what kind of party she was and who was hanging out there. But then, things didn’t go further than statements - why? They gave money, or maybe she decided that her personal goals and the goals of the Party of Regions at that time coincide? And as soon as interests ran away, or on the other hand offered money - so immediately a divorce and a maiden name, yes ...
            1. Don
              Don 3 December 2013 16: 04
              0
              Quote: Cat
              That is, even then she knew what kind of party she was and who was hanging out there. But then, things didn’t go further than statements - why? They gave money, or maybe she decided that her personal goals and the goals of the Party of Regions at that time coincide?

              She is actually a representative of Pinchuk and feeds on him, an ardent supporter of Ukraine’s accession to the EU. Once the Party there was a leader there) created for Pinchuk’s money, they didn’t go, she joined the Party of Regions when they decided that Ukraine needs the EU. And now, at the command of the owner, he barks at his own party members.
          8. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 3 December 2013 12: 18
            +1
            Yes, you are also not interested in reading. You cannot think, you live in other people's thoughts and phrases.
            You might think your own. Something I did not notice. The slogan delirium slipped just by strangers.
            Do not exact. Your words are not convincing. Oh, not yours. But I don’t know by name even whose. Well, let it be a little according to yours - this ... umm ... Theological chtol.
          9. IGS
            IGS 3 December 2013 12: 22
            +9
            Yes ... a bad case. You have not understood anything in a quarter century. In my opinion, you need to learn how to live without Russia, Russia is not your nanny, it has its own interests. You have been independent for more than 20 years, your success is only in the fact that you brought up a generation that writes this:
            MrNecroT

            Yeah ... And Katzapland is white and fluffy. Brothers who pumped gold, bread, oil, gas from Ukraine throughout the 20th century, exported slaves to Siberia, and in 91 took ALL Ukrainians' income into their hands. Katsapov can be understood - they have been imperialist Nazis, animals for all centuries. And the Ukrainian, who stands for Russia, can only be explained by genetic lack of servitude and the desire to be a six and a rooster with a lap-bearing plow.
            You found someone to blame YOUR inability to build at least some kind of state (and a quarter of a century is a sufficient period, you did not start from scratch, for example, Israel, although many here will be minus). Ukraine has reached the edge when you start shooting at each other, and after all shoot ... and blame Russia ... just the point is this? Your children killed by you will perish. You have no sense of responsibility, neither for your choice, nor for your children. Do you think I like Putin? No. But there is no other leader than the gorlopans. I am responsible for my choice to my children. In 1991, I was at the White House, which I regret very much now, I have become smarter, you are not. So far, you only learned how to gag. Your orange boxer to the question: What exactly will you export to the EU ?, answered on the move: Chernozem! And no one condemned him. Your all is blah blah. Learn to be responsible for your words and actions and you will be happy. And then you’ll walk in mongrel, this one kicked you, then he offended you, you chose a poor role for yourself, it’s a shame for you.
          10. lukke
            lukke 3 December 2013 17: 06
            +1
            The people came out for the sake of going "To live in a state governed by the rule of law, and not to exist like biomass."
            Can you list me specifically what Yanukovych or the cabinet of Azarov did outside the legal framework of Ukraine? Crippling an employee during execution, organizing and conducting unauthorized rallies, damage to property - these, for example, are outside the legal field
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      2. Odysseus
        Odysseus 3 December 2013 09: 49
        +9
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        He rose to defend his Idea

        Too shy to ask, what idea? Ideas to sell the remnants of "independence" to the European Union, moreover, and pay extra for it? Ideas to go to the devil's grandmother and get the coveted EU visa? Ideas to completely ruin your own country and increase the rate of extinction of Ukraine (already not weak) by 5 times again?
        Needless to say, this is just an awesome Idea! I knew a lot of ideas, but I have never met such wassat
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 3 December 2013 12: 24
          +3
          Too shy to ask, what idea? Ideas to sell the remnants of "independence" to the European Union, moreover, and pay extra for it? Ideas to go to the devil's grandmother and get the coveted EU visa? Ideas to completely ruin your own country and increase the rate of extinction of Ukraine (already not weak) by 5 times again?
          How what ?! Leave off cobblestone with a Molotov cocktail in Vvshnikov with impunity. Beat them with a stick or chain. And the main thing is not to work.
          Anyone I read from sympathizers, when they are told your arguments, they all say conspiratorially: "It's all more complicated here. There are many nuances ..." And no one says what are these nuances that allow you to ruin your country, turn into animals that throw on the same people with stones.
          request
          But, nyuyuyu-aaaaaa-nsyyyyy !!!!! From how it is, Mikhalych!

          For some reason, the well-known Gandhi did not climb the barricades himself and did not advise his comrades-in-arms. And he was able to put the whole country on its hind legs without violence. Do you think that if in reality, and not on a beautiful performance in revolutionary blozhiks, in the same Kiev, for every million individuals present, 990 thousand will simply stand up and peacefully, calmly show a fig, the authorities will not get fucked up? And all over the country. How will it go off. But "revolutionaries" need blood. Yes, quickly. Not a political process.
      3. Akim
        Akim 3 December 2013 09: 53
        +8
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        All-Ukrainian peaceful strike

        I don’t see that enterprises stop. But the Theologian must be weakly trusted. Look at her political orientation. A little bit, it goes right away.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 3 December 2013 10: 11
          +2
          Quote: Akim
          Look at her political orientation

          Easy Access Policies wink Although VRUngel hurried, Putin is guilty of unrest in Ukraine wassat
          Opposition sure Putin destabilizes situation in UkrainePutin's task is to destabilize the situation in the country because of any of his agents of influence. http://news.mail.ru/inworld/ukraina/global/112/politics/15919789/ wassat
          1. Akim
            Akim 3 December 2013 10: 26
            11
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            The opposition is confident that Putin will destabilize the situation in Ukraine. Putin's task is to destabilize the situation in the country because of any of his agents of influence.

            Yeah, and three planes in Boryspil with Moscow riot police. and the secret transfer of the internal troops of the Russian Federation to the Crimea, so that they would change into Ukrainian uniforms. And tanks near Kiev. Bullshit opposition.
            Better let them say from where the money for rallies? I am not a poor (but not rich) person. At my own expense I can go, only for two days, without prejudice to my budget. We apparently have some millionaires in the Square. Why are they arguing that it’s bad to live? Yes, shitty. And who is better now?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 3 December 2013 10: 30
              +5
              Quote: Akim
              Better let them say from where the money for rallies?

              Salvage passes through the Moscow US Embassy. From Moscow to the Kiev Embassy of the United States.
            2. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 3 December 2013 10: 50
              +6
              Quote: Akim
              Better let them say from where the money for rallies? We apparently have some millionaires in the Square. Why are they arguing that it’s bad to live? Yes, shitty. And who is better now?

              The hobbit brought back ...
              He snooped around, hid under the flag ...
              In fact, loot in the pockets of Yatsenyutomu with Klitschkanutymi was being distributed.
              Well, and in a friendly way, I checked the tone laughing
              Well, and Kars, pissed off ...
              The other day, he sent half a ton of dairy products to Maidan.
              1. Gato
                Gato 3 December 2013 16: 43
                +3
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                The other day, he sent half a ton of dairy products to Maidan.

                It would be necessary to throw herring lol
                1. Akim
                  Akim 3 December 2013 16: 47
                  +4
                  Quote: Gato
                  It would be necessary to throw herring

                  And scribe Kiev entrances. Pity the townspeople.
                  1. Gato
                    Gato 3 December 2013 17: 16
                    +1
                    Quote: Akim
                    And scribe Kiev entrances. Pity the townspeople.

                    So a revolution! We already turned off hot water in Obolon ..
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 3 December 2013 17: 40
                      0
                      Quote: Gato
                      We have already turned off hot water in Obolon.

                      Odessa Kiev "supports" in this matter. drinks But since we don’t have hot water every summer, we all have boilers.
                2. Varangian22
                  Varangian22 5 December 2013 04: 35
                  0
                  It will be an environmental disaster!
            3. abrakadabre
              abrakadabre 3 December 2013 12: 35
              +2
              At my own expense I can go, only for two days, without prejudice to my budget. We apparently have some millionaires in the Square. Why are they arguing that it’s bad to live?
              Fu, what are you. Here the last dirty sock to the people is not a pity for the cause of the revolution, and you for the money. And these, revolutionaries, they are angels. And our angels do not eat worldly food and poop ragweed.
              wassat
              Put a plus.
              good
              1. Varangian22
                Varangian22 5 December 2013 04: 42
                +1
                Quote: abrakadabre
                pooping with ragweed.

                Happy Kiev, they have on the New Year's Ambrosia the smell will interrupt the smells of a Christmas tree and tangerines. Class !!!!
            4. Varangian22
              Varangian22 5 December 2013 04: 32
              0
              Respekt !!!
        2. Gato
          Gato 3 December 2013 16: 03
          +6
          Quote: Akim
          I don’t see that enterprises stop.

          Four Kiev bazaars went on strike. laughing
          This is the end, the economic apocalypse. wassat
          1. Akim
            Akim 3 December 2013 16: 25
            +2
            Quote: Gato
            Four Kiev bazaars went on strike.
            This is the end, the economic apocalypse.

            As told Romanov in PM ... and the oil mill in the Lviv region.
      4. Andrey57
        Andrey57 3 December 2013 10: 05
        +7
        Captain Vrungel ate something again - however, verbal diarrhea and increased emotionality. Captain Vrungel can safely calm down and take the necessary medications - nobody needs you for sherry to fight you. laughing
      5. Varangian22
        Varangian22 5 December 2013 04: 25
        0
        Thanks for the political press! And there is no need to sprinkle Judas theological quotations here, I also found authority, and we also watch TV and videos on the Internet. We'll figure it out ourselves who were the provocateurs of the so-called "bloody massacre."
  • Wolf 1
    Wolf 1 3 December 2013 08: 26
    +2
    It seems that Yanukovych sat in a puddle: Europe does not need him now, and Russia understood what kind of fruit it was.
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 3 December 2013 12: 37
      +1
      Here, by golly amusing. It was clear to everyone what kind of fruit it was in pimply Yushchenko's times. What was there to doubt?
    2. Tektor
      Tektor 3 December 2013 15: 28
      +2
      It was no coincidence that the GDP switched to examples of points from agreements with Ukriya: it announced one, related to the economy, that we could close preferential customs borders. But there are also political ones, such as guarantees of territorial integrity ... And this is more serious, and to remind such a fad in a private conversation, it is all the same that "a glass of beer", that is. blow to the kidneys ...
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 3 December 2013 08: 26
    +8
    Well, before traveling to Brussels, Yanukovych will visit China and Russia. He will arrive in China today.
    Both there and there he will ask for money to save the economy of Ukraine. And there and there he will have to explain that the hell is happening in him in the country and to prove that he and his government are still the authorities.
    Otherwise, he will receive neither economic nor political support.
    1. chisya
      chisya 3 December 2013 10: 36
      +3
      It is possible that today the government will be dismissed, it is still not known whether there will be enough votes, but there is a chance. It will be interesting to see the reaction of China and Russia in this case to Yanukovych, so he went for investment, but where to invest, if his government is removed and it is not clear what will happen next.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 3 December 2013 11: 05
        +5
        Quote: chisya
        It will be interesting to see the reaction of China and Russia in this case to Yanukovych, so he went for investment, but where to invest, if his government is removed and it is not clear what will happen next.

        Imagine a picture: Yanukovych in Beijing
        The Chinese-Yanukovych. And what are the guarantees that your government will comply with our agreements?
        Yanukovych-Chinese. Yes, I give a tooth laughing
        1. Akim
          Akim 3 December 2013 11: 14
          +4
          Quote: Odyssey
          Yes, I give a tooth

          An age of will to unseen.
          Maybe they will understand ...
    2. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 3 December 2013 10: 58
      +6
      Quote: Odyssey
      Otherwise, he will receive neither economic nor political support.

      Right.
      They give money when they are sure that they will be returned.
    3. Gato
      Gato 3 December 2013 16: 14
      +1
      Quote: Odyssey
      And there and there he will ask for money to save the economy of Ukraine.

      It would be better to adopt the Chinese experience of "dialogue" with the opposition and all kinds of demonstrators there.
      But ... the wrong person request He has the wrong testicles, not cast iron (if any).
      Yykh, Ukraine would father father Lukashenko.
  • bif
    bif 3 December 2013 08: 31
    +4
    Yanukovych and Azarov played too - flirting with the EU and the Russian Federation at the same time, they raised the stakes ... trying to sell their state at a higher price. But Putin not only did not promise money, but also reminded about Ukraine's debts to the Russian Federation, making it clear that this is only the beginning ... And Europe was led - at first 1 billion, then it went for 10-15 billion, but the crisis and " gingerbread "this ended, as well as patience, now began the" stick "and public flogging to stimulate compliance. The soap opera continues ...
  • Ols76
    Ols76 3 December 2013 08: 31
    40
    Before flattery to Europe ...
    1. complete zero
      complete zero 3 December 2013 11: 14
      +2
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    2. Varangian22
      Varangian22 5 December 2013 04: 51
      +1
      It would be good for students to study these rules, or even better to read "Heart of a Dog"! This will be in the subject after their "occupation" of the admin. buildings.
  • groin
    groin 3 December 2013 08: 35
    +2
    Poor Ukrainian people. Poor mind. Where are the real patriots?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 3 December 2013 08: 48
      +4
      Quote: groin
      . Where are the real patriots?

      Patriots of what? Soon this country will not be.
      1. ZU-23
        ZU-23 3 December 2013 09: 38
        +2
        EU Independent Snitch laughing
      2. Akim
        Akim 3 December 2013 09: 43
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Soon this country will not be.

        You will interrupt and in the West will also fall off.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 3 December 2013 12: 13
          +3
          Quote: Akim
          Get over

          They will tear Ukraine apart and that's it! Simply because the fate of the "independent" Ukraine is decided by a superpower.
          1. Akim
            Akim 3 December 2013 12: 17
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Simply because the fate of the "independent" Ukraine is decided by a superpower.

            And so is any state.
        2. IS-80
          IS-80 3 December 2013 14: 39
          +1
          Quote: Akim
          You will interrupt and in the West will also fall off.


          Akim and why do you need Ukraine?
          1. Akim
            Akim 3 December 2013 14: 47
            -1
            Quote: IS-80
            Akim and why do you need Ukraine?

            This is my country.
            1. IS-80
              IS-80 3 December 2013 15: 08
              +1
              It’s uncomfortable to live in it, but now it’s scary. So why?
              1. Akim
                Akim 3 December 2013 16: 27
                -1
                Quote: IS-80
                So why?

                They don’t choose parents and I don’t want to give it to Natsik either.
                1. IS-80
                  IS-80 3 December 2013 17: 47
                  0
                  Quote: Akim
                  They don’t choose parents and I don’t want to give it to Natsik either.


                  You have been deceived, it is not your parents and they do not need you.
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 3 December 2013 17: 49
                    +1
                    Quote: IS-80
                    You have been deceived, these are not your parents

                    I'm not talking about power. I was born on this earth.
      3. Canep
        Canep 3 December 2013 10: 50
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Patriots of what? Soon this country will not be.

        High probability and such a finale.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 3 December 2013 08: 43
    11
    and they’re talking about the president. In Russia, in principle, this was not possible. Even with EBN. And to say that the GDP could allow this. Here it is an oligarchic model in action. I am humanly sorry for Yanukovych. Well, how to hit the table with your fist! You're the commander in chief. Let's go to hell west, clearly say from the rostrum that the vector of development is Russia. Ambassadors of countries that stir up water came out, enter the regime of h. But no, it will not. The point is not iron. Therefore, Russia has no alternative to Putin. Despite all its shortcomings.
    1. Fin
      Fin 3 December 2013 10: 20
      +5
      Quote: ed65b
      Let's go to hell west, clearly say from the rostrum that the vector of development is Russia. Ambassadors of countries that stir up water came out, enter the regime of h. But no, it will not.

      That's what I'm talking about. Hid, sitting snot chewing. Speak out on the box, explain to the people why they sent the geyrop to tries, clarify the situation in which direction you are going. Call not to succumb to provocations, warn the rabbit, boxer and Natsik in accordance with the Criminal Code. SBU to catch provocateurs (fighters) Korchinsky. Announce Intervention in Ext. business, and then the shit went to rallies to speak. Sack Azarov + several more members. Normal people will leave, and let the rest of the maydauns hang out under the supervision of the police. Well, of course, start the reform, you can’t leave.
    2. Gecko
      Gecko 3 December 2013 11: 47
      0
      Yanukovych’s money abroad and that’s it.
      As much as his loot is not dragged into the pool, the fear of losing money can be a loss of freedom.
    3. Drosselmeyer
      Drosselmeyer 3 December 2013 12: 08
      +3
      Yes, but only his and his son’s money are abroad, and at the same time, the salaries of the cops and the military are from 200 to 300 dollars, and I think they have no particular desire to tear the fifth point for Yanukovych. He wanted to spit all his time on the militiamen and military with civil servants without doing anything for them. By the way, in his superiors there are all of him, the Donetsk majors, thieves, let them help him.
      The entire system of government of Yanukovych is built on corruption, all positions are sold for money, and ordinary employees consider them to be cattle. Now this "cattle" will simply stand aside.
  • UVB
    UVB 3 December 2013 08: 45
    10
    The best way out for Ukraine is to follow the example of Czechoslovakia in 1993, to disperse peacefully and that’s all. The Czech Republic and Slovakia remained quite normal relations. All this talk about a united Ukraine is a fairy tale; a united Ukraine could only be part of the USSR. It is necessary to scatter until a lot of blood has been shed. Unfortunately, there is little hope for this.
    1. Akim
      Akim 3 December 2013 09: 44
      +4
      Federation is the way out.
      1. Andrey57
        Andrey57 3 December 2013 10: 11
        +8
        The Federation for Ukraine is not an option, but the beginning of the end of the state, which can be called such with a big stretch.
        1. Akim
          Akim 3 December 2013 10: 27
          0
          Quote: Andrey57
          The Federation for Ukraine is not an option, but the beginning of the end of the state,

          I agree, but only partially.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 3 December 2013 12: 14
        0
        Quote: Akim
        Federation is the way out.

        What exactly? What will change if the politicians are the same?
        1. Akim
          Akim 3 December 2013 12: 21
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          What will change if the politicians are the same?

          The structure of the economy.
          1. Dym71
            Dym71 3 December 2013 14: 05
            +4
            Федерация wink
            Structure of the economy lol - beautiful words, Old Man you need, Belarusian!
            1. Akim
              Akim 3 December 2013 14: 17
              0
              Quote: Dym71
              Old Man you need, Belarusian!

              Late.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 4 December 2013 05: 01
                +1
                Quote: Akim
                Late.

                Then to the morgue laughing
                Quote: Akim
                The structure of the economy.

                This will result in a complete collapse of the economy as a result of the next division of the pie.
            2. Gato
              Gato 3 December 2013 16: 19
              +1
              Quote: Dym71
              Федерация

              Uh-huh, with a big P
      3. Andof odessa
        Andof odessa 3 December 2013 12: 38
        +3
        The Federation, in my opinion, implies the unity of the goals of the elite with little disunity but full understanding among the people. and we have a complete lack of understanding by the people and a complete discrepancy in the goals of the elite. so what awaits us are three glorious states of Ukraine in the euro-ass. Little Russia or New Russia in the customs union and forever sitting on two chairs but no longer interesting to the principality of Kiev.
        1. Akim
          Akim 3 December 2013 12: 59
          +1
          Quote: AndofOdessa
          The Federation, in my opinion, implies the unity of the goals of the elite with little disunity

          Federations are different. It will be fraught with common economic ties and the elites will calm down, and the people will understand that it is better to be a subsidized region in a unitary state than a poor region in the federation, looking for money than to pay teachers and the police. Then they will bring claims to their authorities in the capitals of the federations
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 3 December 2013 13: 16
            +5
            Quote: Akim
            Then they will bring claims to their authorities in the capitals of the federations

            The paradox is that the Lviv comrades have long understood - at whose expense they have and will have to exist. Hence the Maidan "Let the iron saw work ..." in the east of Ukraine.
            1. Akim
              Akim 3 December 2013 13: 22
              +5
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              The paradox is that the associates of Lviv have long understood - at whose expense they have to and will have to exist

              Therefore, a referendum is needed.
              1. Tamparu
                Tamparu 3 December 2013 13: 28
                +3
                Quote: Akim

                Therefore, a referendum is needed.


                I agree.
  • askort154
    askort154 3 December 2013 08: 50
    10
    Kravchuk, Kuchma, Yushchenko with Tymoshenko, Yanukovych - have already shown themselves. Next in line is Klitschko or Julia again.
    All (except for Yanukovych), "approved" by the West. As a result, Ukraine was frozen in the 90s. Therefore, the West loved Gorbachev and Yeltsin, but fiercely hates Putin.
  • FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 3 December 2013 08: 51
    +5
    Yanek is not a sufficiently pro-Western politician. he has no amer. wife or sister, did not intern in Europe, did not live in Germany. He is not pro-Russian - this is 200%. He would be pro-Ukrainian, fight corruption (you won’t defeat yourself), create production, and not raid, make friends with Russia for the good of the country. then there were chances. And so ... You will see. Julia will imprison him for the Kharkiv agreements, there it is easy to find excess of powers if desired, Ukraine, according to the law, is non-aligned. the presence of a foreign military is, as it were, prohibited.
    1. Akim
      Akim 3 December 2013 09: 46
      +6
      Putin is a Russian politician and there is no doubt about that. And you have no less corruption from this. There is safety in numbers.
      1. Gecko
        Gecko 3 December 2013 11: 49
        +5
        At least he is responsible for his words as a man!
        1. Liss.
          Liss. 3 December 2013 13: 16
          +7
          The paradox of Putin is that:
          in foreign policy, he is a pro-Russian politician,
          in the domestic pro-Western.
          The weakness of domestic policy is expressed in the absence of SPECIFIC measures, the withdrawal of "steam in the whistle", the absence of the principle of "words-0-deed".
          Int. he is also a "double-head" in politics.
  • Pokerof13
    Pokerof13 3 December 2013 08: 59
    +7
    In this Europe, in my opinion, they went overboard with gay relationships. They poked each other so hard that they seemed to be hooked on the brain. Most likely they want Ukraine not as a member of the European Union, but as a new "member" of their blue union. And the "Westerners" were beckoned by the European members, and they ran.
    How can we evaluate the actions of an opposition that is trying to make a coup? Only as unlawful, and against the state system. So with them you need to do the same as with criminals, to arrest.
    The funny thing is when Klitschko becomes the leader of the opposition. This is how crazy you can be to put a boxer in power. As in an anecdote about an interview with a boxer: "Why do you need a head? Well, first I hit it, the second I eat in it. And what is the third? And the third is my birthday.
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 3 December 2013 09: 52
      +5
      Well, what, in the United States was an actor in Ukraine will be a boxer. He and his brother can go to different summits together at the same time. Gemini, again, the European tradition after the pshek second will be. Putin will have to change the ambassador in Ukraine to valuev or povetkin.
      1. avt
        avt 3 December 2013 10: 08
        +5
        Quote: ed65b
        Putin will have to change the ambassador in Ukraine to valuev or povetkin.

        On Fedor, again Emelianenko. Nicknames will come to him alone. laughing No, the Ukrainian comedy is admitted to be delayed and there is no development. It’s necessary to let Yulia Grikyants out of the prison hospital, then the fun will begin, they will laugh at Kiev, again there will be a sight for the zombie catcher - Zhirinovsky will seem to be a crap.
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 3 December 2013 12: 45
          +2
          For fun, Julia Grikyants should be released from the prison hospital, then the fun will begin, they will laugh in Kiev, and again, there will be a sight for the zombie creature - Zhirinovsky will seem to be a crap.
          Only if she, like Yushchenko, gets acne. Or will begin to dress like Aguzarova at concerts in due time. So to speak, for a plot twist. And it is possible both at once.
          So there will be more sacrifice in it.
  • The gentleman
    The gentleman 3 December 2013 09: 03
    +3
    I think the most interesting is just beginning. Ukraine will still not be able to sit on two chairs, regardless of who will be at the helm of the country. I also believe that Ukraine will become the historical center of the battle. but only Ukraine will suffer from its shortsightedness.
    ps I wonder if Ukraine will be friends with the EU, but how will things go with the principles of "democracy" in the West, which will be imposed on Ukraine, and how will the Ukrainian people react to this?
  • builder
    builder 3 December 2013 09: 09
    +5
    Yanukovych drove himself into the position of Zugzwang.
  • saag
    saag 3 December 2013 09: 11
    0
    Quote: Gentleman
    ps I wonder if Ukraine will be friends with the EU, but how will things go with the principles of "democracy" in the West, which will be imposed on Ukraine, and how will the Ukrainian people react to this?

    Well, everyone in Sevastopol will take part in discontent, and they will live in a new world
  • morpogr
    morpogr 3 December 2013 09: 13
    +4
    Yanukovich’s wedge is everywhere. If he doesn’t resolve this conflict, the zapadents themselves will continue to strike and limit the people in eastern Ukraine and in Crimea will begin to restore order on their own and this will be the end of the state.
  • groin
    groin 3 December 2013 09: 14
    +2
    Why does the West need Ukraine? Is there not enough of its own Greece in the Eurozone? They will stink at the side of Russia and stink slowly with European "values".
    1. atalef
      atalef 3 December 2013 09: 15
      +2
      Quote: groin
      Why does the West need Ukraine? Is there not enough of its own Greece in the Eurozone? They will stink at the side of Russia and stink slowly with European "values".

      But why Russia? Maidans, what will disappear with the entrance to the vehicle?
    2. avant-garde
      avant-garde 3 December 2013 09: 19
      +8
      Quote: groin
      Why does the West need Ukraine?
      1. avant-garde
        avant-garde 3 December 2013 10: 59
        +3
        I will comment on what I wanted to say in the image above:
        That is how the West and Europe look at us (personally, my opinion) exactly on US on Russia and Ukraine, because ordinary people there do not divide us into two countries and Ukraine for them is also associated as an integral part of the evil empire of the USSR. And they will not look at us in any other way, even if you are on strike.
        P.S. In other matters, just as I look at them as well.
    3. just exp
      just exp 3 December 2013 11: 02
      +2
      and who said that Europe needs Ukraine?
      the ivrapates need the territory of Ukraine and its market, and no one was planning to take Ukraine into the EU itself.
  • saag
    saag 3 December 2013 09: 15
    +4
    Quote: groin
    Why does the West need Ukraine?

    Consider this acquisition from a military point of view
  • saag
    saag 3 December 2013 09: 18
    +2
    Quote: atalef
    But why Russia?

    Buffer zone
  • Kerch
    Kerch 3 December 2013 09: 21
    +1
    Conscripts of special forces BB and thugs


    Why are they standing without shields? Why is there no order to disperse the crowd?
  • Egoza
    Egoza 3 December 2013 09: 23
    +4
    Everything will be decided in the coming days. especially today there will be a "peak" in the Rada. At the same time, although many say after the interview with Yanukovych, that is again a mess. Yes, they will send a group to Brussels to "finalize the documents", but they will also send to Russia to negotiate, and then there are holidays, Christmas (and who knows who will make Catholics from the memory stick to sit on the Maidan at this time), then New Year, then while the groups will still work, and then the re-elections to the European Parliament (February-March), and it is not yet a fact that the new forces that will come there will support those who seek to ensnare Ukraine. In addition, Yanukovych clearly said that they would deal with the provocateurs (who are the trouble for our oppa, the detainees all speak Galician Ukrainian, not Russian yes-a-anets) and the police and Berkut are doing their duty, which means they also have the right for protection. The court will decide everything. (Yanukovych understands that it is impossible to merge the guys now - then they will merge him).
    At the same time, petitions in the White House are already dazzling in the eyes. A new one appeared - “with a request to resolve the situation with the ex-Prime Minister of Ukraine Yulia Tymoshenko and to grant her political asylum in the United States, reports UNN.
    “This is how we appeal to the Obama Administration. We call on the US government to control the difficult situation around Yulia Tymoshenko, insisting on her urgent extradition to the United States, where she was able to obtain political asylum,” the petition says.
    The petition on the website was registered on November 28. So far, she has collected 695 votes. "
    But then it would not matter, but the fact that the petitions calling on the United States to send its troops to Ukraine are gaining votes is more serious. Well, hypothetically, they recruited, considered, and decided to "introduce it to protect democracy." In this case, Russia is unlikely to remain on the sidelines. IMHO
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 3 December 2013 09: 27
    +1
    Yanyk was the last to glance at Russia and the CIS, the remaining 100 percent Western European pawns. So I think that if Yanyk doesn’t calm the situation there, then he is the next snowden in Russia.
  • Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 3 December 2013 09: 46
    +3
    The problem of Ukraine is that two completely different peoples with a single name "Ukrainians" live on this large territory. The border between this single people lies along the banks of the Dnieper.
    The Ukrainian people must understand, first of all, one very important detail, the Ukrainians are a single people in which there can be no "Westerners" and "Masakals", or Ukraine is a single "independent" people in the deepest sense of the word, or two handfuls of people who pull each other another blanket: the first shouting "we are Europeans", the second "we are Slavs, brothers of Russians." With this approach, Ukraine is doomed to split into two states along the Dnieper mountain range.
    1. aleks77
      aleks77 4 December 2013 02: 04
      0
      Maybe distinguish between before the revolution, according to religion (Orthodox, Catholic, atheist), suddenly this strongly coincides with whoever wants to (TC, EU, themselves with a mustache)
  • Alexey
    Alexey 3 December 2013 09: 48
    +2
    "... it will certainly be washed off by the" blood "of the offender, in a figurative sense, of course"
    It's not at all a fact that in the figurative. There are many examples of "direct meaning".
  • Alexey
    Alexey 3 December 2013 09: 48
    0
    "... it will certainly be washed off by the" blood "of the offender, in a figurative sense, of course"
    It's not at all a fact that in the figurative. There are many examples of "direct meaning".
  • groin
    groin 3 December 2013 09: 55
    +2
    Ukraine and its ilk are like a bridgehead for NATO, a stereotype that is being systematically hammered into us. They want to tear Russia from the inside by lies, provocations and fratricidal skirmishes. All fraternal peoples disgrace and wreak havoc, then come in kind and smooth on the head of the most loyal (anyway what). It will not work, people are wiser. History is a witness.
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 3 December 2013 09: 59
    +3
    O Little Russians, in pursuit of their own singularity, they fell into the anus ... It's a pity for the brothers, because all this will not end in good.
    Another is strange ... This is far from the first time ...
  • 528Obrp
    528Obrp 3 December 2013 10: 00
    +4
    Quote: The Ukrainian interlocutor of the American ambassador John Tefft prepared a program for the development of Ukrainian reforms and passed it on to the United States. The United States approved, transferred to the IMF, which insisted on them, as on the condition of obtaining a loan
    Source http://www.mignews.com/news/politic/world/071210_172012_29052.html
    2012 article "based on" WikiLeaks


    Below is a list of reforms that, according to the proposals of the "Ukrainian source", the US, with the help of the IMF, "pushed" in Ukraine:

    1. Raise the retirement age - by two years for men. Three for women. Destroy the right to early retirement and the custom of counting a year for two at hazardous enterprises.

    2. To destroy the institution of special pension benefits, which are given to scientists, civil servants, managers of state enterprises. "

    Limit pensions to working retirees. Set retirement age for army officers at 60 years.

    3. Raise the price of gas for municipal events by 50%, twice - for private consumers. Increase the cost of electricity by 40%. Allow pricing utilities. To allow a rise in prices in line with a rise in gas prices. Increase excise tax on gasoline by 60 euros.


    And further down the list .......


    Revenge of "Europe" will be terrible ... - the ears of this revenge from across the ocean stick out
  • naguss
    naguss 3 December 2013 10: 02
    18
    I live in Ukraine, Russian. He devoted most of his life to service in the USSR Armed Forces, and then in the Russian Federation. For family reasons, he moved to Ukraine. Originally from Kharkov. So I was not an Oranzhoid and never supported Natsiks like "Svoboda" and others. I can say with a great deal of responsibility that most of those who now support the Maidan are not interested in European integration. People are tired of Janek's gang, of the constant robbery of the country. These divers did nothing but nasty. Cynical and shameless gopniks. And why do people turn their backs on Russia - have they not thought about it? Crazy olimrian and other projects, theft is just on a universal scale, complete impunity for thieving bureaucrats. And so on and so on. So, the people of Ukraine, not counting the Westernizers, found themselves between a rock and a hard place. And these "values" are not particularly drawn to Europe, and Russia is no longer very attractive.
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 3 December 2013 10: 09
      -1
      Quote: Neguss
      And why did people turn away from Russia - did not think about it? Crazy olimriysky and other searchlights, theft simply on a universal scale, the complete impunity of the stolen bureaucrats.

      Everything is correct. Do not add, do not decrease.
    2. Dym71
      Dym71 3 December 2013 14: 27
      -2
      Fair, respect to you. hi and my plus
    3. xan
      xan 4 December 2013 00: 11
      +2
      Quote: Neguss
      Crazy olimriysky and other searchlights, theft simply on a universal scale, the complete impunity of the stolen bureaucrats. And more and more.

      By the training manual went. In Ukraine, the Honduran GDP, and you look at corruption in Russia. Our corruption, we crush it. And now you are sitting in Ukraine and choosing where it is better, to whom to sell.
      Quote: Neguss
      And these "values" are not particularly drawn to Europe, and Russia is no longer very attractive.

      Russian will not ask for help from other people's uncles, and go where it is better. Russian needs to be better at home.
      You are not Russian, you are Ukrainian.
  • SovMan
    SovMan 3 December 2013 10: 37
    12
    Lord, why are you punishing Ukraine rulers?
    The first was the first communist and was proud to help Bandera, distinguished himself by the complete collapse of the economy. The second raised the economy, but lowered politics. The third, poisoned with vodka, was proud that dad worked as a security guard in a German concentration camp, brought the country to complete insanity. Yanek distinguished himself by not fulfilling a single promise, proved that insanity is not the last stage of collapse. There is also Julia, which resembles the old Soviet cartoon Fox in the chicken coop. And here is apofigee extravaganza - opposition leaders the first - a complete fascist hates Jews and other nationalities of Ukraine, the second - a Jew who loves the Nazis and the third - a boxer from Germany, really the best boxer (do not confuse a professional boxer with a judo fan).
    1. Gecko
      Gecko 3 December 2013 11: 57
      +3
      Judo - Japanese martial art, PHILOSOPHY and combat sports without weapons. There is no philosophy in boxing.
  • Kiliny
    Kiliny 3 December 2013 10: 47
    19
    I do not understand you. Where do people have the brain? At the moment, your Maidan all third-party observers are tied precisely to EUROINTEGRATION and nothing else! If you wanted to deal with the government, then you had to do this earlier. And now, whether you want it or not, you all express a predisposition to the geyropa! See the root of the citizens ...
  • Mhpv
    Mhpv 3 December 2013 10: 55
    0
    Here is what is brewing in Ukraine:
    Woe to you, laughing now! for .. Luke 6: 25 I and the Father are one. John 10: 30

    © Jesus Iosifovich

    As My Father taught Me, I say so (John 8: 28)

    He who is not with Me is against Me (Luke 11: 23)

    Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword,

    for I have come to divide a man with his father, and a daughter with her mother, and a daughter-in-law with her mother-in-law.

    And the enemies of man are his household. (Matthew 10: 34-36)

    I came to bring fire to the earth, and as I wish it would already be kindled!

    Do you think that I have come to give peace to the earth? No, I tell you, but separation;

    for henceforth, five in one house will be divided, three against two, and two against three:

    the father will be against the son, and the son against the father; mother versus daughter, and daughter versus mother; the mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. (Luke 12: 49-53)

    if anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, and his wife and children, and brothers and sisters, and, moreover, his very life, he cannot be My disciple; (Luke 14: 26)

    And brother will betray brother to death, and father - son; and the children will rise up against their parents, and put them to death; (Matthew 10: 21)

    but whoever seduces one of these little ones who believe in Me, it would be better if they would hang a millstone on his neck and drown him in the depths of the sea. (Matthew 18: 6)

    He who does not abide in Me, will be cast out like a branch, and will dry up; and such branches are collected and thrown into the fire, and they burn out (John 15: 6)

    Bring my enemies, those who did not want me to reign over them, bring here and beat before me. (Luke 19: 27)

    (c) The Good Son of a Loving Father

    Europe doesn’t need Ukraine, there simply Ukrainians plunge the country into chaos, and no one needs such a country, embraced by internecine struggle.
    Come to your senses people!
  • Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 3 December 2013 10: 55
    25
    Garni claps ...
  • kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 3 December 2013 11: 02
    +1
    The end of this story will be very very sad. First, the Maydanovich’s will throw off the same yanek because he’s stupid and cowardly, then they will sign an act of complete and unconditional surrender, it’s not to name it then the east will go out and go smash the European integrators, but they will not be brutal and will crush cruelly, then cries will begin to save the Russian-speaking population and all the pheny-la-comedy in the best case will divide our brothers east and west, and the dream will come true, and the people will return what they have been dreaming for so long and the east will return to Russia, and maybe the south. Songly, Ukraine could be an integral and self-sufficient state, but Russia and our maloros brothers all shit. Maybe I'm wrong, but in my opinion the chain is logical.
    1. etrusk
      etrusk 3 December 2013 12: 03
      +6
      Quote: kapitan281271
      then the east will take to the streets and go smash the European integrators,

      I do not agree with this paragraph. The east will not go. It will be deaf to suffer and swear in the kitchen. All. The people themselves never rise, they need an organizer, but they don’t. The idiots of Bandera are.
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 3 December 2013 11: 31
    +1
    What will happen, maximum wait for a "visit" for permanent residence a couple of tens of thousands of the smartest or easiest to rise Ukrainians. The rest will relax the rolls and begin to get used to the pleasure.
  • Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 3 December 2013 11: 44
    +2
    Ukrainians themselves should want to reunite with us. And we must help them in this, but not by troops and not intrusively! The first Russian soldier and everything, we will lose Ukraine for a long time!
    The initiative should come from them. Yes, and if they join the EU, big trouble will not be their choice and blame them only for themselves in this case, well, Europe may soon be bent!
    In any case, you will not be forcibly sweet
  • USNik
    USNik 3 December 2013 11: 47
    +5
    Quote: Peaceful military
    O Little Russians, in pursuit of their own singularity, they fell into the anus ... It's a pity for the brothers, because all this will not end in good.
    Another is strange ... This is far from the first time ...

    It is true, this has happened more than once, but human memory is short, unfortunately. Thanks again to the 18-year-old conscripts who held the line before the fascist bandits on the western bulldozer!
    1. USNik
      USNik 3 December 2013 12: 14
      +2
      Picture to my post (I have one site slows down from the influx of people?)
      1. Cat
        Cat 3 December 2013 12: 20
        +9
        another picture in the same topic
  • DPN
    DPN 3 December 2013 11: 54
    +1
    Quote: stalkerwalker

    Right.
    They give money when they are sure that they will be returned.


    They give money when they want to bribe and complete their policies.
    As for Ukraine, it's time to disagree on good. Bendery will never forgive Red Ukraine. The question is, who will get KIEV?
    1. Gecko
      Gecko 3 December 2013 12: 01
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      Berlin at one time was divided in half. repeat
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 3 December 2013 14: 18
        +4
        Quote: gecko
        Berlin at one time was divided in half.

        No need to share anything.
        The bandits go to jail.
        Country - order and calm.
        And also.
        Wife - flowers, children - ice cream.
  • DPN
    DPN 3 December 2013 12: 04
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    Quote: Neguss
    So, the people of Ukraine, not counting the Westernizers, found themselves between a rock and a hard place. And these "values" are not particularly drawn to Europe, and Russia is no longer very attractive.

    That's right, radish horseradish is not sweeter
  • olviko
    olviko 3 December 2013 12: 19
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    "The Brussels signing by Yanukovych of the" Euroassociation "of Ukraine."

    If he does, then only for a very good grandmother. And just to scare Fedoritch - their guts are thin. In Vilnius, this Donetsk brother simply put Europe in its place, many politicians like Barroso were "grounded." They explained to everyone specifically what was required of them - "to give the loot and not shine", and that 1 billion for which they wanted to buy Ukraine - shove ..itsu .Maidan, if you wish, you can strangle, do not wash so by rolling. The only question is how the two lads, St. Petersburg and Donetsk, will agree between themselves?
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 3 December 2013 12: 22
    +3
    "Freedom" with Tyagnibok turns everyone around! Fascist followers and fascist methods! After looking at the chronicle of events, the events of September 1, 1939 immediately come to mind. The same provocative methods - "unidentified carcasses" smashing Kiev Radu, Molotov cocktails, which "peaceful Ukrainian patriots" pay attention to under the ardent eye of journalists, ostentatious calls for maintaining order and disavowal of ongoing violent actions - by opposition leaders. True, with all this, they vyingly declare that they have a clear plan! Who would doubt that. I would not be surprised if, by analogy with 2004, at 6 Bankova Street (House of the Writers' Union of Ukraine), a sample of an "analytical center" is already functioning under the leadership of "consultants" from the long-known offices of the West.
  • Kelnot
    Kelnot 3 December 2013 12: 22
    +6
    Ukraine must be Russian, a part of our country, period!