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Development of the PAK FA program

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Recent months have been marked by significant progress in promoting the program of the Russian fifth-generation fighter PAK FA (Perspective aviation Frontline Aviation Complex). On October 27, 2013 in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, the fifth flight PAK FA prototype, the T-50-5 aircraft, made its first flight. On November 20, this car arrived to undergo tests at the airfield of OJSC MM Gromov Flight Research Institute in Zhukovsky near Moscow. At the beginning of 2014, the PAK FA is supposed to be presented for State tests, the first stage of which is planned to be completed in 2015. By the time of the first flight of the T-50-5, more than 450 flights of the first four flight prototypes of the T-50 took place - we recall that flight tests of the first flight prototype of the T-50-1 were launched on January 29, 2010.


At Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant named after Yu.A. Gagarin (a branch of JSC "Company Sukhoi") is manufacturing four more prototypes of the PAK FA — T-50-6-1, T-50-6-2, T-50-7 and T-50-8 airplanes, which should be delivered before the end of the year.

Development of the PAK FA program

The fifth flying prototype of the fifth-generation fighter of the PAK FA is the T-50-5 ("tail number 055"). Komsomolsk-on-Amur, November 2013 of the year (c) Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant named after Yu.A. Gagarin (branch of "Company" Sukhoi ").


At the same time, the creation of the main systems for the PAK FA goes into the production stage.

Within the framework of the PAK FA program, two promising turbofan two-circuit engines for this aircraft are being created, both projects are being carried out by the integrated engine corporation, United Engine Corporation (UEC), established under the auspices of OPK Oboronprom, currently the engines of the first are installed on the PAK FA. stages (“product 117”, AL-41F1) developed by NPO Saturn, which are produced by Ufa Engine-Building Production Association (UMPO). The “117 product” engine with a maximum load of up to 14500 kg is a further development of the well-known AL-31F engine family while retaining their “hot part” and using a modified AL-41F engine compressor (the “20 product”), previously developed as part of the Soviet fighter’s program fifth generation MFI. To date, 18 engines of the first stage have been released (“117 product”), four of which are undergoing bench tests, and 14 - flight tests as part of T-50 objects. At the present stage of development, the main elements of the engine “117 product” have reached the resource of 750 hours before overhaul. Preparations are underway for serial production of the engine at UMPO

For the further development of the PAK FA and the full achievement of all its specified characteristics, a new engine of the second stage (“30 product”) is being developed with a maximum load of up to 16000 kg and more, which should be brought to mass production approximately to the year. The development of the engine of the second stage is carried out in cooperation between the enterprises of the “Engines for Combat Aviation” division of the UEC, while the design bureau integrator for the development of the engine has a branch of UMPO - “OKB im. A. Lulki. The cooperation also involves the Federal State Unitary Enterprise “Scientific and Technical Center for Gas-Turbine Construction“ Salyut ”(Moscow) and OAO NPP“ Motor ”(Ufa). In addition, designers of OAO NPO Saturn (Rybinsk), which is part of another division of the UEC, Engines for Civil Aviation, also take part in the work. The head manufacturer of serial engines of the second stage will be UMPO.

Works on the second stage engine (“30 product”) of the PAK FA include research work on the development of a new gas generator, including a five-stage high-pressure compressor, a combustion chamber and single-stage high and low pressure turbines, and also a research project on the development of a three-stage low-pressure compressor.

Before the end of 2013, the technical design of the engine of the second stage should be completed and the documentation for the production of the gas generator demonstrators and the engine should be released. In 2014, production of the UMPO and the start of bench tests of experienced gas generators and a demonstration engine "30 product" are planned.

The radar complex of the Sh-121 armament control system of the PAK FA aircraft with onboard radar H036 with a five-antenna system with active phased antenna arrays (AFAR) was created with the leading role of V. V. Tikhomirov Research Institute of Instrument Engineering (NIIP, Zhukovsky). The H036 radar includes five AFARs - an active X-band H036-01-1 phased array antenna located at the front of the fuselage, two side-view AFARs НХNUMXБ and Н036Б-036, and two AFAR Н01Л-НXNNXX-NNNXXНNXXБX036Б-36 and NXNXX-NNXX-01-036-121-2012 X50 radar; wings intended for the detection and identification of targets. Also in the RLK is a universal computing system H3UVS. Flight design tests of prototypes of the X-50 RLK ​​are conducted from July 4 on the T-50-5 and T-121-XNUMX prototypes, and now in the most complete configuration they will be carried out on the T-XNUMX-XNUMX. Serial production of the RLK Sh-XNUMX is being established at OAO Ryazan State Instrument Plant (GRPZ).


The regular location of the antennas of the RLK Sh-121 on the PAK FA aircraft (c) Peter Butovsky / Air Cosmos


The greatest progress in the development of the X-121 radar is connected with bringing the main element of the radar with AFAR - receiving-transmitting modules to a state of mass production. The production of such modules - wideband microwave amplifiers for PRD, which are a monolithic integrated circuit of the GaN type - is established at the FSUE "Scientific and Industrial Enterprise" Istok "(Fryazino, Moscow region), which is part of the Ruselectronika holding.

The development of microwave modules for the Н036 radar was carried out at the NPP "Istok" from 2003 of the year. On the basis of high-power transistors and monolithic integrated circuits of the microwave range, the enterprise developed microwave modules for an active phased array that combines all the receiving and transmitting channels of the antenna, the power supply circuits, the cooling system, and digital control.

At present, the first line in Russia for the industrial production of transistors and monolithic integrated circuits of the microwave range has been launched at NPP Istok. For our country, this was a real breakthrough, because four years ago, monolithic microwave integrated circuits were produced only in single copies. The launch of this line allowed to start mass production of microwave submodules for radar with AFAR.

The pilot line for assembling, tuning, testing and serial production of microwave submodules AFPAR created in NPP "Istok" has a performance of 100 thousands of modules per year, which is ensured by the serial production of multilayer low-temperature ceramics (LTCC) since 2010. The original ceramic tape for this is manufactured in the enterprise. A specialized section for the machining of body parts for microwave submodules AFAR with a capacity of up to 200 thousand sets of parts per year was commissioned.


Nasal active phased antenna array X-band Н036-01-1 (1522 transceiver module) Radar Н036 РЛК Ш-121 of the aircraft PAK FA in the exposition of the air show MAKS-2009 (с) paralay.iboards.ru



Multichannel transceiver module of the X-band radar Н036 of the PAK-FA radar X-121 of the aircraft in the exposition of the MAKS-2011 air show (с) paralay.iboards.ru



Active phased antenna array L-band Н036Л radar Н036 РЛК Ш-121 for placement in the socks of the wing of the PAK FA aircraft. Exposition of MAKS-2011 air show (с) paralay.iboards.ru


The development of guided weapons for the PAK FA is carried out by the Corporation Tactical Missile Weapons Corporation (KTRV). Rocket complexes weapons of the air-to-air class are created by the Moscow-based State MSC B Vympel named after II Toropov, which is part of KTRV. For the PAK FA "Vympel" leads the development of promising products of the class "air-to-air" of small, medium and long-range internal accommodation and with a phased build-up of their combat characteristics.

In the field of short-range weapons, work is underway to upgrade the P-73 rocket family. The main direction of its modernization was the creation of the “760 product” (RVV-MD) of the so-called “second stage of modernization”. The rocket’s characteristics have been enhanced by equipping it with a combined control system as part of a thermal homing head, an inertial control system (MIS), and a receiver of a radio correction line. Capture the target can be carried out after the launch of the target designation from the MIS. The transverse size of the rocket 320 x 320 mm. She is able to capture the target on the trajectory and, when launched, make a turn of 160 degrees. It was stated that the "760 product" passed state tests and is ready for mass production.

A new, short-range, short-range, highly maneuverable air combat and anti-missile defense missile, also known as K-MD (“300 product”), is also being created. The rocket is equipped with a matrix thermal seeker with the ability to recognize the image and doubled the capture range. Dual-engine engine with up to 100 seconds and three-channel gas-dynamic control device. Rocket tests were expected in 2014-2015.

In the field of medium-range weapons, work is under way to upgrade the P-77 rocket. The first improved version of the rocket was the "170-1 product". The next stage of modernization was the "product 180" (RVV-SD). Lattice handlebars are replaced with flat non-folding handlebars. The rocket is equipped with a new multi-mode active-passive radar seeker. According to known data, mass production of RVV-SD should be launched in 2013 year.

A separate direction in the development of the P-77 family of missiles is the creation of an “increased-range 180-PD product”, and a missile with the “181С product” index. In addition, Vympel is creating a medium-range missile with a new design.

In the field of long-range weapons for the PAK FA Vympel, it is working on upgrading the P-37 rocket. Based on the "610M product", a new "810 product" is being developed. This rocket should be placed in the internal compartments of the PAK FA. Trials are scheduled for 2014 – 2015 years.

A number of new types of weapons from KTRV enterprises are supposed to be used as air-to-surface armaments at the PAK FA first stages: the KNB-250 corrected aerial bomb caliber 250 kg developed by GNPP Region (presumably has a combined satellite and laser semi-active guidance), X-XNUMHUSHK anti-radar missile (developed by A. Ya. Bereznyak GosMKB Raduga OJSC) and modular short-range guided missiles of the X-58 family (developed by the head company KTRV).
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  1. bif
    bif 3 December 2013 08: 42
    29
    Thanks to the author. Reading such articles evokes feelings similar to the reflex of Pavlov’s dog - after watching the mouth-watering and colorful dishes from the restaurant’s menu, waiting for an order, I just want to go and customize the cooks so that the described delicacies will appear on the table soon ..
    1. Civil
      Civil 3 December 2013 11: 58
      +4
      But there is no need to rush
      1. Nuar
        Nuar 3 December 2013 14: 49
        +5
        Quote: bif
        Reading such articles evokes feelings similar to the reflex of Pavlov’s dog

        Quote: Civil
        But there is no need to rush

        that's for sure. And yet - do not forget how all this ended up for the dog.
        1. samoletil18
          samoletil18 3 December 2013 21: 39
          0

          that's for sure. And yet - do not forget how all this ended up for the dog.

          Grateful humanity erected a monument to her.
          1. bif
            bif 4 December 2013 08: 48
            0
            And Pavlov Ivan Petrovich received the Nobel Prize in Physiology, then it was not discredited by various subhuman ...
    2. Walker1975
      Walker1975 3 December 2013 14: 44
      11
      About reflexes is well said. You come from the reality to the forum, look at the pictures and enjoy, like that rat who died of hunger, but sat and pressed a button, sending an impulse to the center of pleasure.

      There is also a way to have fun: take a globe and start dreaming about how the Russian Federation will begin to grow in "primordially Russian lands", and everything around will rot and fall apart ...;)
      1. Don
        Don 4 December 2013 15: 26
        +1
        Quote: Walker1975
        About reflexes is well said. You come from the reality to the forum, look at the pictures and enjoy, like that rat who died of hunger, but sat and pressed a button, sending an impulse to the center of pleasure.

        Sarcasm is certainly good, only in your sarcasm in my opinion is more envy and desire to prick at least something.
        1. Just Vasilich
          Just Vasilich 4 December 2013 20: 07
          +1
          Pavlov's conditioned reflex from the point of view of a dog

          One dog says another: do you know that a person can develop a conditioned reflex? Look: I press the pedal, the light comes on and the person brings me food!
    3. Rav Seren
      Rav Seren 9 December 2013 18: 54
      -1
      Yes? And I got the impression of outright propaganda. Confuses a number of circumstances.
      1. India's refusal from a joint project and attempts to draw Brazil into it.
      2. Lack of information that, for example, it was possible to REPEAT the only (!) Case of overcoming, and even then on afterburner, the speed of sound PAK FA
      3. Persistent allegations that the project will be cheaper than the US. Well, there are no miracles and the device cannot be approximately the same in terms of functionality much cheaper - especially in a country where there is a big lag in high technology. In the Russian Federation, they weren’t able to do a normal TV like that - and about the 5th generation they say planes.
      1. Kir
        Kir 9 December 2013 19: 51
        0
        You will forgive household rubbish and trifles in a heap with the defense industry do not dump, this one other thing is that about the real situation in industries that are closed to the random person, we ordinary citizens do not know anything except for rumors, and extremely dosed information, over the hill .
        Regarding the price of the product, well, there are many factors that affect it. and perhaps one of the main ones is independence from strangers in equipment and components, and the Citizenship of the authorities in charge of both procurement and supervisory authorities is not the last.
        About propaganda. Well, here the minke whales have no equal, they perhaps even eclipsed the "teachers" from the British Isles.
        So let's be patient and at least not support the forces trying to bring us down.
        1. Rav Seren
          Rav Seren 9 December 2013 19: 59
          -2
          Well, the United States raptor flies and Lightning is almost ready - which cannot be said about PAK FA.
          1. Kir
            Kir 9 December 2013 20: 06
            +2
            Well, firstly, you didn’t seem to switch to it, this time, another, how does it fly? Yes, and the word is almost ready then another statement. And the main thing to start earlier is by no means a synonym to achieve a better result, it can remind you of the history of the nuclear submarines, who are the first, yes they are, and who are in the right direction We !!! but in general I can’t understand you, you don’t believe in the Fatherland at all, or just do not welcome the current situation? if the first, then probably the resource was mistaken, if the latter, then let's debate.
            1. Rav Seren
              Rav Seren 9 December 2013 20: 09
              0
              I did not go to you.
              Raptor - flies normally. No more problems than any other new super sophisticated weapon.
              In the Fatherland .. And maybe you do not have to rush words? And turn to the facts - can a country that can’t do a TV set build complex systems?
              1. Kir
                Kir 9 December 2013 20: 53
                +1
                I’ve already said a little higher on household rubbish this time, remember our other recent history? that some from a certain pitch yelled about the Defense and Space?
                And with words I did not rush. States come and go. and the Fatherland remains! if this is not clear to you, it remains only to pity you.
                And let's end this, for communication with your kind is absolutely meaningless.
                1. Rav Seren
                  Rav Seren 9 December 2013 21: 08
                  -1
                  Bytovuha is a consequence of the development of technology in the country. They can’t make a TV - that means they won’t be able to make a plane either.
                  A recent story - when was the turn for the refrigerator for 3 years? I remember.
                  1. Don
                    Don 13 December 2013 12: 17
                    +1
                    Quote: Rav-Seren
                    Bytovuha is a consequence of the development of technology in the country.

                    What are you ?! Does that mean Vietnam, the Philippines and Thailand now have high technology? laughing Do not grind nonsense.
                  2. Don
                    Don 13 December 2013 12: 17
                    0
                    Quote: Rav-Seren
                    Bytovuha is a consequence of the development of technology in the country.

                    What are you ?! Does that mean Vietnam, the Philippines and Thailand now have high technology? laughing Do not grind nonsense.
                    1. Rav Seren
                      Rav Seren 13 December 2013 13: 34
                      -1
                      Why confuse screwdriver assembly and production? These are different things.
        2. Rav Seren
          Rav Seren 9 December 2013 20: 00
          +1
          and about the price - in Russia, taking into account theft and low technology - the price will be even higher.
      2. Don
        Don 13 December 2013 12: 14
        0
        Quote: Rav-Seren
        1. India's refusal from a joint project and attempts to draw Brazil into it.

        India has not abandoned the project, but wishes to take a greater part in it.
        Quote: Rav-Seren
        2. Lack of information that, for example, it was possible to REPEAT the only (!) Case of overcoming, and even then on afterburner, the speed of sound PAK FA

        And where did you get such information?
        Quote: Rav-Seren
        3. Persistent allegations that the project will be cheaper than the US.

        Of course it will be. Do not know how the price of goods is formed?
        Quote: Rav-Seren
        Well, there are no miracles and the device cannot be approximately the same in terms of functionality much cheaper - especially in a country where there is a big lag in high technology. In the Russian Federation, they weren’t able to do a normal TV like that - and about the 5th generation they say planes.

        laughing Is your TV production high-tech? Do not carry nonsense. The Russian Federation can do 5th generation aircraft, given that it can do 4+ generation aircraft and this is recognized by all experts. Maybe the Russian Federation can make 5th generation aircraft, given that in Russia there is actually a high-tech production, no matter how you would like it to be like you. This is the production of telecommunications equipment, receivers, satellite antennas, microelectronics, satellites, automated control systems, tablets, laptops and a lot of other things. Read what Sitronics, GS-group, DNS, NPP Istok, etc. are.
        1. Rav Seren
          Rav Seren 13 December 2013 13: 35
          -2
          The Russian Federation can no longer do anything - neither 4 nor 5 generations. All this cut money. And the best indicator - the loss of the Russian Federation of absolutely all tenders for fighter jets - in India, Brazil, South Korea - the Russian sucks were not tedious to anyone
          1. Don
            Don 16 December 2013 18: 39
            0
            Quote: Rav-Seren
            The Russian Federation can no longer do anything - neither 4 nor 5 generations. All this cut money. And the best indicator - the loss of the Russian Federation of absolutely all tenders for fighter jets - in India, Brazil, South Korea - the Russian sucks were not tedious to anyone

            You are an illiterate, insignificant person. Your next lie. Living in the Russian Federation and being her citizen, and at the same time driving her like that, is not justified. And all that you are here is singing outright lies. The Russian Federation has not been producing 4th generation aircraft for a long time, because it has been producing 4+ generation aircraft for a long time and sells them worldwide. This is one of the points due to which the Russian Federation in second place in the world in the sale of weapons, after the United States. 24% of the arms market is behind it.
            As for high-tech production in the Russian Federation, you certainly did not answer. Because there is nothing to answer. Facts on the face. I can write a bunch of companies and corporations. Look, in the Russian Federation all types of engineering production, including microelectronics.
            Quote: Rav-Seren
            Loss of the Russian Federation of absolutely all tenders for fighter jets - in India, Brazil, South Korea

            Another confirmation of your narrow-mindedness and illiteracy. For many years, India has been purchasing heavy Su-30MK2I fighter jets from the Russian Federation (they have it as their main combat unit), as well as deck MiG-29Ks. They decided not to buy multi-purpose MiG-35 because of their discontent with the Indians of the radar on the MiG-35. In Brazil, the tender is not yet completed. South Korea is an ally of the United States in this case, in any case, the winner will be a company from the United States. This is a reading policy.
            Quote: Rav-Seren
            Russian sucks were not tedious to anyone

            You stupid person. You do not even know their performance characteristics and so declare. Do you list the states that buy aircraft of the Russian Federation? Also, in politics, you are clearly not thinking much. Allies purchase weapons from geopolitical allies.
          2. Don
            Don 16 December 2013 18: 39
            0
            Quote: Rav-Seren
            The Russian Federation can no longer do anything - neither 4 nor 5 generations. All this cut money. And the best indicator - the loss of the Russian Federation of absolutely all tenders for fighter jets - in India, Brazil, South Korea - the Russian sucks were not tedious to anyone

            You are an illiterate, insignificant person. Your next lie. Living in the Russian Federation and being her citizen, and at the same time driving her like that, is not justified. And all that you are here is singing outright lies. The Russian Federation has not been producing 4th generation aircraft for a long time, because it has been producing 4+ generation aircraft for a long time and sells them worldwide. This is one of the points due to which the Russian Federation in second place in the world in the sale of weapons, after the United States. 24% of the arms market is behind it.
            As for high-tech production in the Russian Federation, you certainly did not answer. Because there is nothing to answer. Facts on the face. I can write a bunch of companies and corporations. Look, in the Russian Federation all types of engineering production, including microelectronics.
            Quote: Rav-Seren
            Loss of the Russian Federation of absolutely all tenders for fighter jets - in India, Brazil, South Korea

            Another confirmation of your narrow-mindedness and illiteracy. For many years, India has been purchasing heavy Su-30MK2I fighter jets from the Russian Federation (they have it as their main combat unit), as well as deck MiG-29Ks. They decided not to buy multi-purpose MiG-35 because of their discontent with the Indians of the radar on the MiG-35. In Brazil, the tender is not yet completed. South Korea is an ally of the United States in this case, in any case, the winner will be a company from the United States. This is a reading policy.
            Quote: Rav-Seren
            Russian sucks were not tedious to anyone

            You stupid person. You do not even know their performance characteristics and so declare. Do you list the states that buy aircraft of the Russian Federation? Also, in politics, you are clearly not thinking much. Allies purchase weapons from geopolitical allies.
  2. Denis
    Denis 3 December 2013 08: 48
    +6
    Hurry up!
    Much has been said about likely friends, and here the Chinese J-20 and J-31 are on the way.
    The new Chinese fifth-generation fighter J-31 (Jian-31) has successfully completed its first test flight, the Huangqiu Shibao newspaper reported on Thursday. The flight took place on Wednesday in Liaoning province and lasted 11 minutes. In this regard, the Chinese media emphasize that the PRC today has become the second power after the United States, developing two models of fifth-generation fighters at once - J-20 and J-31.
    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus 3 December 2013 09: 11
      17
      Quote: Denis
      Hurry up!
      Much has been said about likely friends, and here the Chinese J-20 and J-31 are on the way.

      The Chinese all rests on the engine. I think their planes will be ready no earlier than 2019-2020.
      1. Denis
        Denis 3 December 2013 09: 39
        +7
        Quote: Odyssey
        The Chinese all rests on the engine
        Those guys thought out, if not themselves construct something somewhere soprut
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 3 December 2013 10: 50
          +6
          Quote: Denis
          e guys thought out, if not themselves construct then somewhere soprut


          They don’t always succeed.

          two years ago, the Chinese announced that they would replace the engines on their J-10 fighter by installing Chinese-made WS-10A engines to replace the Russian AL-31FN. However, last year, Beijing slowly ordered several hundred more AL-31FN engines in Russia. And more - no talk about the massive use of the WS-10A.
        2. Don
          Don 4 December 2013 15: 30
          0
          Quote: Denis
          Those guys thought out, if not themselves construct something somewhere soprut

          Something for their J-11 still can not design or stole the engine.
      2. AVV
        AVV 3 December 2013 10: 15
        +1
        Or when technologies are stolen, their intelligence spins everywhere, they bribe everyone who can, in all high-tech countries, the USA, South Korea, Western countries, and in Russia they are like dirt !!!
        1. Rav Seren
          Rav Seren 9 December 2013 20: 40
          0
          And how can you steal TECHNOLOGIES? You can steal a product, a formula. but technology is impossible, unless of course we are talking about something completely simple.
      3. EvilLion
        EvilLion 3 December 2013 18: 33
        +4
        10 years add a minimum.
      4. Rav Seren
        Rav Seren 9 December 2013 18: 57
        0
        So the Russian Federation in real life even later.
    2. Wiruz
      Wiruz 3 December 2013 15: 17
      +3
      What is this "stealth" if it has rockets attached to external pilots?
      1. patsantre
        patsantre 3 December 2013 18: 05
        +2
        This is a stupid wrong flyer, don’t believe any nonsense. It probably implies the possibility of using external pylons if necessary.
    3. polkownik1
      polkownik1 3 December 2013 22: 36
      -1
      Eleven minutes for the first flight ?! Unrealistic little. This is a normal flight in a circle. Probably, the engine resource has ended :))))
    4. Rav Seren
      Rav Seren 9 December 2013 20: 03
      0
      Suspiciously, this Chinese man looks like an Israeli "Lavi"
  3. Canep
    Canep 3 December 2013 08: 48
    0
    The T-50 already needs to be mass-produced. There is a basis, and the rest must be brought up in the production process.
    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus 3 December 2013 09: 16
      12
      Quote: Canep
      The T-50 already needs to be mass-produced. There is a basis, and the rest must be brought up in the production process.

      In Komsomolsk, the production of a much simpler Su-35 has not yet been mastered, and you are already swinging the T-50 ...
      We need new production lines, radar absorbing coating workshops, we need to master the serial production of AFAR, etc.
      According to the mind, it would be nice for Irkut and Sokol to prepare for the production of T-50 a year like this by 2017-2018.
      1. olegff68
        olegff68 3 December 2013 21: 45
        +3
        Quote: Odyssey

        According to the mind, it would be nice for Irkut and Sokol to prepare for the production of T-50 a year like this by 2017-2018.

        A big sadness, BUT the dates are likely to be even more depressing since -
        For the further development of PAK FA and the full achievement of all its specified characteristics, a new second-stage engine (“product 30”) with a maximum thrust of 16000 kg or more is being developed, which should be brought to mass production by approximately 2020

        , and 117s are strongly noticeable in I.K. and radio bands and with them PAK FA unfortunately not "stealth"
        1. Rav Seren
          Rav Seren 9 December 2013 19: 04
          -1
          So 117 have long been withdrawn from service.
          1. Kir
            Kir 9 December 2013 19: 57
            0
            By the way, aren't you talking about propaganda? can you recall with what pump 117 they represented and how much they swelled into these .... and can you remember whose basics formed the concept of this unit?
            1. Rav Seren
              Rav Seren 9 December 2013 20: 30
              0
              Concepts ... Just do not again about the leading role of Soviet researchers, okay.
              As for propaganda, he did not say, but the fact that 117 were revolutionary weapons for their time is indisputable. There was 1 shot down - and if you remember using optical systems, when the pilot went down almost to the ground, violating all conceivable norms. On the radar, the south did not detect it.
              1. Don
                Don 13 December 2013 12: 22
                +1
                Quote: Rav-Seren
                There was 1 shot down - and if you remember using optical systems, when the pilot went down almost to the ground, violating all conceivable norms.

                But where do you get all this? Maybe you’ll throw off the link where you read this and how it was shot down, otherwise opinions differ on how it was shot down.
              2. Don
                Don 13 December 2013 12: 22
                0
                Quote: Rav-Seren
                There was 1 shot down - and if you remember using optical systems, when the pilot went down almost to the ground, violating all conceivable norms.

                But where do you get all this? Maybe you’ll throw off the link where you read this and how it was shot down, otherwise opinions differ on how it was shot down.
      2. Rav Seren
        Rav Seren 9 December 2013 20: 48
        0
        I believe that this is unlikely. I read the conclusion of specialists from TsAGI - in the current layout and in the current materials, when switching to supersonic, the probability of a case fracture is more than 50 percent. It is not surprising that during the flight only 1 time and then for a short time PAK FA overcame the sound.
    2. stoqn477
      stoqn477 3 December 2013 13: 01
      +2
      If there is a problem in technological equipment with electronics or motors? There will be a long delay and increased costs. Better to slow down the production process, but the technology is built into the T-50 to try proven performance.
    3. Walker1975
      Walker1975 3 December 2013 14: 39
      +3
      A file? ;)
    4. EvilLion
      EvilLion 3 December 2013 18: 36
      +2
      From the first flight to the series, the MiG-29 went on for 5 years, F-22 - 8, this is in the countries rich and not limiting the appetites of the country, so be quiet. You don’t need to redo dozens of production cars later, or investigate disasters.
    5. samoletil18
      samoletil18 3 December 2013 21: 56
      0
      Canep

      The T-50 already needs to be mass-produced. There is a basis, and the rest must be brought up in the production process.

      It is easier, cheaper and more efficient to implement new components on 4th generation aircraft. This will make, by the time of the start of serial production, the T-50 is cheaper, more reliable and will shorten the period of "childhood illnesses", tk. a lot of things will have already been tested. Most likely, this is how they do it. It is how it becomes possible for a more serious modernization of existing models, in addition to creating new machines. The MiG-21 with new avionics is already a serious opponent for the F-16, even with the latest modifications, for example. On an equal footing, not on an equal footing, but you have to reckon.
    6. Rav Seren
      Rav Seren 9 December 2013 18: 59
      0
      What are you speaking about? What is the basis?
  4. Stiletto
    Stiletto 3 December 2013 08: 48
    17
    The main thing is that the chef remains the same. So that no reincarnation of Gorbi and EBN in these dishes is not spoiled.
    1. Rav Seren
      Rav Seren 9 December 2013 20: 44
      -2
      Now they steal much more than with EBN. It’s just that oil has risen in price - because some crumbs are unfastening - supposedly for arming - in reality - more talk about patriotism .. and the same theft.
      1. Don
        Don 13 December 2013 12: 28
        +1
        Quote: Rav-Seren
        Oil just went up in price

        In economics, I see the reasoning doesn’t work either. Again, tales about the rise in price of oil, again the talk about theft. What data do you determine in which years more or less stolen? You seem to be another man like Nemtsov and this pig-like creature with glasses who stupidly drive to their homeland.
  5. slavik_gross
    slavik_gross 3 December 2013 09: 01
    +4
    We are waiting ... More and more desirable !!!
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 3 December 2013 09: 35
      +6
      [/ Center]
      1 - Side radar, 2 pieces
      2 - Radar in PCHN, 2 pieces
      3 - Radar in slats, 2 pieces
      4 - Rearview Radar, 1 piece
      + main radar

      In the T-50-5 there are only 8 radars and 3 spherical OLS stations (I called the front-view OLS spherical).

      The radar in PCN and in slats is the same. The photo shows its size is the same as in PCN.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 3 December 2013 10: 37
        +6
        Quote: Alex 241
        1 - Side radar, 2 pieces
        2 - Radar in PCHN, 2 pieces
        3 - Radar in slats, 2 pieces
        4 - Rearview Radar, 1 piece
        + main radar

        good The six-eyed semiuh is straight ... Fuck you sneak up! am
      2. URAL72
        URAL72 3 December 2013 17: 55
        +2
        Equipment:
        Unified information system for combat use and management. With a subsystem for exchanging target data with other aircraft. At least two multiprocessor digital computers connected by the Fiber Channel optical interface (probable throughput up to 1 gigabit). The system should provide interaction and information exchange with command posts, aircraft groups, reconnaissance systems of troops, Navy and Air Force. Collective actions are foreseen up to the aircraft squadron with automated data exchange.

        The T-50 radar system includes 6 integrated target detection:
        1) nasal radar with AFAR Sh-121 X-band
        2) airborne radars with X-band AFAR (should be placed in the nose of the fuselage)
        3) wing radar with AFAR L-band
        4) perhapsX-band AFAR aft radar
        5) container radar with AFAR Ka-band (millimeter)
        6) perhaps, radar sensors with AFAR distributed over the skin

        1) Radar with AFAR Sh-121 (upgraded NO-11M Bars) developed by the Scientific and Research Institute of Instrument Engineering named after VV Tikhomirov (not available on the first flight copy of the T-50-1). T-50-3 radar flight tests began on August 8, 2012.
        Detection range - over 400 km (large radio contrast targets)
        Up to 60 Goals Concurrently Accompanied
        At the same time firing at 16 targets
        2) airborne radars with X-band AFAR (should be placed in the nose of the fuselage) developed by NIIP them. V.V. Tikhomirova.

        3) wing radars with AFAR L-band for installation in the wing slat. NIIP them. V.V. Tikhomirova.

        4) fodder radar with AFAR X-band development NIIP them. V.V. Tikhomirova. It was supposed that it would be installed at the tail end of the central fuselage beam, but according to press statements of March 1, 2010, the installation of a tail radar was not planned at all.
        5) container radar with AFAR Ka-band (millimeter) development NIIP them. V.V. Tikhomirova (data from 2009, MAKS-2009).
        6) "smart skin" - perhaps, radar sensors with AFAR distributed over the skin - according to the media, the development of NIIP them. V.V. Tikhomirova, distribution over the surface of the T-50 sheathing of AFAR transceiver modules, which will allow, with the processing of digital computer data, to provide an overview in the sector of more than 180 degrees.
        http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-254.html
  6. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 3 December 2013 09: 30
    +4
    Such news can not but rejoice!
  7. Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 3 December 2013 09: 51
    +1
    Great news! Not a techie, not an aviator, but I always try to keep track of the news regarding our new aircraft. Thank you for the editorial material and comments of competent colleagues!
  8. tchoni
    tchoni 3 December 2013 10: 15
    +2
    Yes. I am glad that the topic is nearing its logical conclusion. At one time it seemed that she would die without leaving the stage of experiments, as it happened with "Berkut". All the same, it seems to me that the Air Force needs such a device.
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  9. mentor69
    mentor69 3 December 2013 10: 16
    +3
    Yes, it’s nice to realize that the Russian defense industry is on the rise, and these are no longer separate bursts like in Ukraine (individual projects are not bad developments), but I hope I have a very, very stable attitude that does not depend on those who have such a state of affairs as a lump in the throat.
  10. ilya_oz
    ilya_oz 3 December 2013 10: 36
    +1
    Americans already 83 pieces f-35 kind of riveted, but we can only collect a couple of pieces a year, unfortunately. Can the X-58 missile be used only as anti-radar?
    1. stoqn477
      stoqn477 3 December 2013 13: 10
      +2
      He has 83 F-35s this one, but I don’t know if you remember how many problems they face. Pretty expensive problems. Their program was not as cheap as they thought at the very beginning. But it did not dare to stop how much money was poured into it, and someone had to be responsible for it.
      1. patsantre
        patsantre 3 December 2013 18: 08
        +3
        These are different planes and different concepts, you can compare in very different ways and not always he will have it. As for the problems - their program is widely publicized, ours is not, so it seems that everything is going smoothly, but this can hardly to be.
      2. Rav Seren
        Rav Seren 9 December 2013 20: 38
        -1
        This is not the case. Lightning is a light multi-purpose vehicle and it is impossible to compare with it - even if the T-50 has not yet been created - a heavy machine. PAK FU is better to compare with the long-flying Raptor. There are already more than 190 of them, and the issue has been discontinued - since this number is also excessive. For a larger number, there are simply no real enemies.
        1. Don
          Don 13 December 2013 13: 30
          +1
          Quote: Rav-Seren
          There are already more than 190 of them, and the issue has been discontinued - since this number is also excessive. For a larger number, there are simply no real enemies.

          I see an amateur who you lie and glorify everything made in the USA. The economic crisis and the enormous cost of the aircraft forced the US government to abandon the purchase of this aircraft and focus on the F-35 program, and not a sufficient amount.
          1. Rav Seren
            Rav Seren 13 December 2013 13: 39
            -5
            You do not carry nonsense! Or do not know that 35 is a completely different class - light multi-purpose machines. which do not replace 22? 190 produced cars, according to their capabilities, destroy each of 15 to 30 enemy vehicles, including the Russian Federation - that’s why their number is considered sufficient - because PAK FA is a myth = it won’t take off like an airplane - it will continue to powder for another 10 years brains of Russian simpletons in the form of a prototype, and then the program will be closed. And some people shove the money into their pockets and bills. And you will blame the State Department again in the failure of the program.
            1. EvilLion
              EvilLion 13 December 2013 15: 12
              +3
              About 5 years ago, you would hysteria that the Su-35 is a myth, and in the meantime, combatant pilots are already mastering it.
              Still, the F-35 does not replace the F-22 or even the Super Hornet in any way, since it does not fly better than them. But stealth is definitely a myth, didn't you know? Well, in history there is not a single case when it was possible to create a weapon many times superior to the previous one.
            2. Don
              Don 16 December 2013 16: 30
              +2
              Quote: Rav-Seren
              You do not carry nonsense

              I don’t need to poke a loss. We are not at the table drinking vodka.
              Quote: Rav-Seren
              Or do not know that 35 is a completely different class - light multi-purpose machines. which do not replace 22?

              Of course not how they will not replace, but the United States had no choice. A very expensive and expensive project, while reducing the military budget. We would at least read what the senators said about this.
              Quote: Rav-Seren
              190 vehicles released in their capabilities destroy each of 15 to 30 enemy vehicles

              laughing fool Is everything normal with your head? Or has the Made in USA brand completely blinded you? Why then were they going to buy 300-400 at the beginning? Why from 15 to 30, and not from 1 to 1000? laughing Can’t you accidentally fly F-22 to Mars? Probably it can.
              At least something about their beloved plane would be revered. The F-22 is armed with air-to-air missiles: six AIM-120C AMRAAM and two AIM-9M Sidewinder. If you do not know how to count as well as think, then I will count you. Maximum is 8 aircraft. So what are 15-30?
              Quote: Rav-Seren
              and rf including

              So the aircraft of the Russian Federation F-22 and F-35 can shoot down. Again, you didn’t read anything and you don’t want to read. For example, take the Su-35 and F-22. The Irbis radar on the Su-35 has a detection range of 350 to 400 km. On the F-22 AN / APG-77, according to various estimates, from 210 to 300 km. That is, the Su-35 will detect the F-22 earlier. Su-35 can use air-to-air missiles R-27 (up to 130 km), R-77 (up to 170 km), R-37 (up to 300 km). The F-22 can use AIM-120C AMRAAM (up to 120km) and AIM-9M Sidewinder (up to 18km) missiles. AIM-120D is only being developed and it will have a maximum range of up to 180km. It turns out that the Su-35 will detect the enemy earlier and launch a missile at it earlier.
              1. Don
                Don 16 December 2013 16: 33
                +1
                Quote: Rav-Seren
                that is why their number is considered sufficient

                Only you, but not senators and generals in the United States.
                Quote: Rav-Seren
                because PAK FA is a myth = it will not take off like a plane

                The myth is dragons. Nobody saw them and they do not fly in the sky, but PAK FA saw everything and he flies. In your opinion, the Indians are such fools that they do not even know the characteristics of PAK FA, but they participate in the development.
                Quote: Rav-Seren
                it will be another 10 years to powder the brains of Russian simpletons in the form of a prototype, and then the program will be closed.

                Well, you’re imagining yourself to be a tuner. So the swamp trash talked about the Su-35, and about the new SSBNs, and about new nuclear submarines, and about new air defense systems and air defense systems.
                Quote: Rav-Seren
                And some people shove the money into their pockets and bills. And you will blame the State Department again in the failure of the program.

                With your narrow mind, you don’t even understand what corruption is and how money is stolen. And what does it mean again? I have not blamed anyone for anything. I’m just wondering why, over these 12 years, your wonderful F-22 has not yet been involved in any conflict and not one of the US allies has begun to buy it. Although I'm sorry, how could I forget, he fought with the Transformers and the Hulk. laughing
        2. EvilLion
          EvilLion 13 December 2013 15: 14
          +1
          The 190 F-22 is not enough even to replace the existing F-15. On such a scale of production, such a complex program is just zilch. In the event of a conflict, the United States at best scrape together fifty F-22s on a theater of operations, the rest will be in air defense, simply because you need to keep at least something on duty.
    2. APOCALIPTIC
      APOCALIPTIC 3 December 2013 21: 59
      0
      Shy, already 100pcs
  11. umah
    umah 3 December 2013 11: 03
    +4
    From such news the mood rises.
    1. Rav Seren
      Rav Seren 9 December 2013 20: 51
      -1
      Here for this, such NEWS are published. And the fact that there is nothing behind them is already somehow not thought of. The mood is already good.
  12. Admiral 013
    Admiral 013 3 December 2013 11: 07
    +4
    Hurry to see him in all arms.
  13. Wiruz
    Wiruz 3 December 2013 11: 13
    +1
    And that the missile KS-172 PAK FA will not arm?
  14. lotar
    lotar 3 December 2013 11: 14
    +5
    In our own time, we’ll come in time and the serial production of PAK FA. In my opinion, one should not rush, this is such a technique that in the future will be one of the guarantors of deterring likely opponents.
  15. 528Obrp
    528Obrp 3 December 2013 13: 35
    +8
    [b] The production of such modules - broadband microwave amplifiers for SPR, representing a monolithic integrated circuit of the GaN type - has been established at the Federal State Unitary Enterprise Scientific and Industrial Enterprise Istok (Fryazino, Moscow Region), which is part of the Ruselectronics holding. [/ b]

    [b] Based on powerful transistors and monolithic microwave integrated circuits, the company has developed microwave modules for an active phased array, combining all transceiver channels of the antenna, power circuit, cooling system and digital control.[/B]

    That's what really pleases !!! And not just happy, but happy! Live Electronics! Alive tramp !!!
  16. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 3 December 2013 13: 37
    +8
    The plane is handsome !!!
    How not to twist.
    It’s a pity not in the air units yet.
    Although I’m not a pilot, but from the sight of such a thing my heart sank with delight. good
  17. 9k72
    9k72 3 December 2013 14: 47
    0
    Marine camouflage, won't it take off from the "Blacksmith"?
  18. iwind
    iwind 3 December 2013 15: 10
    +1
    Good progress and confident development.
    It remains to begin testing the entire range of weapons.
  19. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 3 December 2013 15: 51
    +1
    In all the photographs the air intakes are covered with "walrus flippers", I wonder what they are hiding?
    1. polkownik1
      polkownik1 3 December 2013 22: 32
      +2
      These are not "flippers" :)) These surfaces have replaced the PGO; used at high angles of attack. When parked, when there is no pressure in the control hydraulic systems, they sag freely.
  20. typhoon7
    typhoon7 3 December 2013 16: 30
    0
    Everything goes on as usual. The project oversees the GDP itself, so everything will be fine.
    1. Kir
      Kir 3 December 2013 18: 16
      +1
      I would like to hope that everything will take its normal course, but still there is a problem for the GDP, these are personnel, how many figures can you name on which it can lean without looking back? Yes, I know and understand Patriotism is a great thing, but still the specialty is not the last, but now look at the frames, well, how else do you believe in a smooth movement towards your goals?
  21. crambol
    crambol 3 December 2013 20: 22
    0
    Quote: Denis
    The Chinese all rests on the engine
    Those guys thought out, if not themselves construct something somewhere soprut

    Not so simple. We have a rich school of metal science, which allows us to solve very complex problems of creating heat-resistant materials.
  22. edeligor
    edeligor 3 December 2013 21: 00
    +2
    Quote: 528Obrp
    That's what really pleases !!! And not just happy, but happy! Live Electronics! Alive tramp !!!

    I wanted to say the same thing. This news is really pleased. Technology in electronics, what we lost in the damned 90s and what we need to develop with SEVERAL leaps.
  23. samoletil18
    samoletil18 3 December 2013 22: 00
    +1
    Nice damn it!
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  26. corsar26
    corsar26 3 December 2013 23: 06
    0
    beautiful, about him there will also be songs:
    [youtube] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOaTEDYJmi0 [/ youtube]
  27. Ustas77
    Ustas77 4 December 2013 21: 16
    0
    And the Americans, meanwhile, since 2011 have been developing scientific and technical tasks for 6th generation fighters ...........
    1. Kir
      Kir 4 December 2013 21: 59
      0
      well done, but what about fine-tuning the 5th, the same f-35? and f-22, well, probably of the type of trial operation? something smacks of stories with the b-2 and f-117, although let it be only if our former did not get too distant. and so maybe their end will be faster and the demon of that puffy economy will come.
      1. Rav Seren
        Rav Seren 9 December 2013 21: 11
        0
        Americans are fully prepared for the raptor; Lightning is brought up. And where does the trial operation? The raptor has long been in service
  28. samoletil18
    samoletil18 7 December 2013 22: 24
    +1
    Quote: Kir
    well done, but what about fine-tuning the 5th, the same f-35? and f-22, well, probably of the type of trial operation? something smacks of stories with the b-2 and f-117, although let it be only if our former did not get too distant. and so maybe their end will be faster and the demon of that puffy economy will come.

    And $ 25 self-propelled guns more
    1. Kir
      Kir 7 December 2013 22: 35
      0
      We are humanists, so we will not execute, but rather we will send “our” exes from the cooing brethren to them, then life will improve both with Us and with them!
  29. samolet il-76
    samolet il-76 11 December 2013 21: 10
    0
    Quote: Rav-Seren
    I did not go to you.
    Raptor - flies normally. No more problems than any other new super sophisticated weapon.
    In the Fatherland .. And maybe you do not have to rush words? And turn to the facts - can a country that can’t do a TV set build complex systems?

    So if Russia doesn’t know how to make TVs and computers, it can’t do good planes?
  30. Mars_4
    Mars_4 10 August 2014 22: 08
    0
    How many are planned to purchase such handsome men for our army until 2020?