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After Vilnius: the colonization of Ukraine is inevitable. The main thing is that Moscow does not have illusions

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After Vilnius: the colonization of Ukraine is inevitable. The main thing is that Moscow does not have illusionsOn the first day of the summit in Vilnius can safely say - do not matter much, the current president of Ukraine will sign an Association Agreement with the EU or not sign.


The trap into which the Ukrainian authorities have driven themselves has no legal and painless way out. Because the processes of absorption of Ukrainian elites through the control of their capital is already irreversible. And knowing the psychology of the inhabitants of Bankova and Grushevsky streets in Kiev, we can safely say that of all the options, the “Donetsk” will choose the option that preserves their capital.

However, with the motivation of the Ukrainian elites, we have figured out quite objectively since the days of the project “However. Ukraine”. Therefore, it is now more important to understand the motivation of the European Union itself.

The economic aspect for the EU is also understandable, the new undeveloped market is a chance to delay the central recession in Europe, due to the sale of goods to Eurasia.

But in the purely economic logic, it is completely not in the interests of the EU to hold a political show around signing. After all, by and large, all economic bonuses are contained in the agreement on the Free Trade Zone, which could be turned without the “Vilnius Show”. And even more so without the Maidan.

So what the historical are the processes taking place before our eyes under the guise of a summit in Vilnius and, in particular, within the framework of the “Eastern Partnership Policy”? Europeans tend to mask their true goals under meaningful discussions about democracy, freedom of speech and other tinsel.

The Young Europeans were the first to let it slip. Thus, Romanian President Traian Basescu said bluntly: “Romania had fundamental projects for joining NATO and joining the European Union (EU). I think that the third fundamental project should be the union with Moldova. ”

Following the Romanian counterpart, the same idea was developed by Polish Foreign Minister Sikorski, who advised Ukraine to follow the Moldova’s path for the success of “European integration”: “For Ukraine, the best example should be Moldova, which does not bargain, but has implemented reforms per person at the level of candidates. It has achieved more than Ukraine, and in simplifying visas. ”

So, Ukraine and Moldova. Two republics moving to Euro-colonization with different speeds. As of today, Chisinau overtakes Kiev by 5 – 7 years. That is why, for Moldova, the Association with the EU is an important step towards the takeover by Romania. What the Bucharest authorities say honestly and openly.

Ukraine is to go the way of Moldova, as conceived by the authors of the Eastern Partnership policy.

Therefore, we can safely say that the point is not in the sales markets and certainly not in European standards. We are dealing with the revision of the Yalta world order, the ultimate goal of which is to change the borders in Europe. Only the revision takes place not as in the middle of the 20 century, but in a diplomatic and financial form.

The ultimate aim is the absorption of Eastern Europe under the scheme of Moldova. In the Ukrainian case is left to understand, and who, exactly, will claim the role of Romania. So far, the role of this claim Warsaw. The only difference is that the colonized territory of Ukraine is much larger than that of Poland itself.

The answer lies in the fact that to run the Moldovan scenario, it is necessary to get rid of the territories where the disloyal policy of “European integration” of the population lives compactly. In the Baltics, this was done by the institution of “non-citizens”, in Moldova and Georgia they brought the matter to a civil war - during which the issue of disloyal Transnistria, South Ossetia and Abkhazia was resolved on its own.

That is why, at the summit, it was Georgia and Moldova that were the first to swipe the agreement on “Euro-association”.

Ukraine still has a way of Moldova, and today is not particularly important, the current president of Ukraine will sign an association agreement or not. Because historical processes already running. And to stop them, will need remarkable. And willingness to spit on the capital that recent years 20 carefully stockpiled in Austria, Switzerland, Germany, USA and other offshore.

In Kiev, such a decision is hardly ready. Therefore, the President of Ukraine will sign or not sign the Vilnius Treaty - does not matter. And even if he does not sign it - in no case can one take it as a victory for Russia and the allies. Because the main challenges that will face Russia and the Eurasian Union in the Ukrainian direction are ahead.
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  1. drop
    drop 3 December 2013 08: 01
    16
    Yes, it is, the export of capital from the country allows any state to collapse, including Ukraine and Russia. Now it is up to the politicians to whom our countries are dear. You won’t take anything with you, and because of the greedy policies of the leaders of the country, they can cease to exist as independents.
    1. Polovec
      Polovec 3 December 2013 08: 17
      38
      In Vilnius, a threat sounded to Yanukovych to lose his presidency. Now on the Maidan it is being implemented. Everything is simple and clear. The fact that Yanukovych could not withstand the pressure was not clear unless Pushkov. Worse, now the situation is not completely controlled by the government and any actions will lead to its resignation or overthrow. Lukashenko would have dealt with this situation in half an hour, for Yaneka this is not possible in principle. What actions Putin can take (or wants to take) we will see shortly. By and large, after all, only Crimea and the Eastern part are of concern to us ... This is what we must fight for. And we must fight decisively! If Russia begins to chew snot, as is customary on the diplomatic front, then the arrogant Europeans will wipe our feet about us. Better let them scream about our arrogance and be afraid that they will be next. We benefit from this!
      1. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 3 December 2013 11: 28
        -10 qualifying.
        Polovec
        What actions Putin can take (or wants to take) we will see soon.


        RUSSIA INTRODUCES SANCTIONS AGAINST DPRK

        http://mir-politika.ru/7601-rossiya-vvodit-sankcii-v-otnoshenii-kndr.html

        Now you understand?
        1. mivmim
          mivmim 3 December 2013 11: 55
          +3
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          RUSSIA INTRODUCES SANCTIONS REGARDING DPRK. Now it is clear?

          Yes, it’s not clear, a link to some muddy site. I do not believe.
        2. neri73-r
          neri73-r 3 December 2013 12: 05
          +6
          Nevsky_ZU Now it is clear?


          And what is clear, we have never (and during the USSR) been interested in obtaining nuclear weapons by any other country, including the DPRK !!! Since this means the real independence of this country, including from us !!! Do you think Ukraine was forced to get rid of nuclear weapons just like that? Do not build illusions. hi
        3. grandfather
          grandfather 3 December 2013 12: 23
          +1
          Well, Nevsky_ZU introduces towards the DPRK, these sanctions were adopted in the UN Security Council by all countries, on the basis of non-proliferation of nuclear weapons. and what do you understand then?
          this is not Maidan-litter, this is geopolitics in security, it’s clear
          Since 2005, Korea has declared nuclear status and is conducting tests, and if Moldova tests a bomb near you, are you all on the Maidan litter for Moldova? it’s not funny at least, so now it’s clear?
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 3 December 2013 16: 49
            0
            Quote: bearded
            Since 2005, Korea has declared nuclear status and is conducting tests, and if Moldova tests a bomb near you, are you all on the Maidan litter for Moldova? it’s not funny at least, so now it’s clear?

            This is only theoretically correct. Let me remind you that there is Israel with its bomb, why Russia did not destroy this country? Where are the sanctions against Israel? Where are the humanitarian bombing?
      2. Mike_v
        Mike_v 3 December 2013 13: 05
        +1
        If you rephrase one well-known expression, then you can answer so, opposition is possible when a lion is at the head of a herd of sheep, and not a sheep in the skin of a lion.
      3. tnship2
        tnship2 3 December 2013 14: 22
        +7
        Patience and endurance, comrades! This hour we’ll go down the mountain and ... all the herd. Everything is logical. Let Western Ukraine ripen for radical actions, and then they’ve been dumb for 20 years. It's time to go to work. You don’t want to come with us. Tired of educating, can it be easier to send to the Euro-boarding school?
        1. AVV
          AVV 3 December 2013 20: 35
          0
          Yes, it is better for Westerners to be in the zone, even if it is called the Eurozone, and one hell is bondage, let them drink democracy to the end in European, and in a gay way, they deserve it !!!
      4. rodevaan
        rodevaan 3 December 2013 15: 16
        -1
        Quote: Polovec
        In Vilnius, a threat sounded to Yanukovych to lose his presidency. Now on the Maidan it is being implemented. Everything is simple and clear. The fact that Yanukovych could not withstand the pressure was not clear unless Pushkov. Worse, now the situation is not completely controlled by the government and any actions will lead to its resignation or overthrow. Lukashenko would have dealt with this situation in half an hour, for Yaneka this is not possible in principle. What actions Putin can take (or wants to take) we will see shortly. By and large, after all, only Crimea and the Eastern part are of concern to us ... This is what we must fight for. And we must fight decisively! If Russia begins to chew snot, as is customary on the diplomatic front, then the arrogant Europeans will wipe our feet about us. Better let them scream about our arrogance and be afraid that they will be next. We benefit from this!


        - Yes, your words to God’s ears ... For Russia, unfortunately, is not the USSR at the diplomatic front. It remains to be hoped that the school of the KGB Vove was beneficial.
      5. Paul 23rus
        Paul 23rus 3 December 2013 16: 28
        +3
        I am forced to express my complete disagreement with you about the joy of a possible division of Ukraine.

        The division of Ukraine is the same geopolitical defeat of Russia, as the complete departure of the aforementioned Ukraine to the West!

        Well, what difference does it make to us, will NATO bases stand under Lviv or near Kharkov?

        Flight time is the same.

        This is on the one hand.

        On the other hand, as the experience of integration of Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia shows, the West can integrate any significant objects only in parts (whoever taught higher mathematics will understand what this is about!). The degree of integration pain in parts for the integration object depends on the initial conditions, but the result is always the same - this or that degree of integration, or, rather, digestion.

        It was not possible to integrate Ukraine entirely in Vilnius, but as I wanted!

        Therefore, the integration process was launched in parts, in the form of a long-tested orange scenario.

        And now, the question is: why do we need to rejoice in Russia in the possible division of Ukraine, and even more so to help in this vile matter?

        On the contrary! In every possible way, it is necessary to fight for the integrity and unity of Ukraine and peace for all the fraternal (hold laughter, cornet!) Ukrainian people!

        If we allow us to dismember Ukraine, the West will go to pieces in pieces, as Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia have already eaten.

        And if we defer its integrity, then the West will choke on Ukraine!
        1. mihasik
          mihasik 3 December 2013 19: 48
          0
          These are all lush phrases. They were relevant before the orange revolution. As far as Eastern Ukraine is concerned, it is still clear, but how are you going to rationalize the Western towards Russia ?? We'll have to press hard on the "European integrators" throughout Ukraine or quietly "ustronate" how the shortcomings were eliminated after the war (and that, in the course of the NKVD and the KGB, did not work well, judging by the situation in Ukraine today). There is no other way. But the fact is that now no one can afford such a policy, the risk is too big. People were specifically brainwashed, and due to the general decline, morale fell below the plinth. 20 hryvnia / hour party on the Maidan. And you are for Europe or against, on the drum! The main thing is to fill your belly ... At the forefront of the defense of Ukraine, do you want your "blood brothers" to beat you on the head with a brick from behind? My opinion is one: Let them run wild, swim in the village, and when they figure out where they are, then we'll talk. Now any action on the part of Russia will be regarded in Ukraine as pressure (because they love us VERY now!). They do not notice the EU diplomats at the rallies ... Therefore, I think the GDP policy is absolutely correct: he showed where the "candy" is, and then think for yourself if you have something to think about.
    2. APES
      APES 3 December 2013 11: 05
      0
      Quote: Drop
      Now it is up to the politicians to whom our countries are dear.


      "read out the entire list" lol
    3. starshina78
      starshina78 3 December 2013 11: 29
      +1
      The whole elite of both Ukraine and Russia is holding money there, over the hill. And Russia also has state money (the National Wealth Fund and the Reserve Fund) in American banks. How to understand this ? It turns out that because of this, the state and its leadership can be managed under the threat of depriving this money. It is so !
      1. Cherdak
        Cherdak 3 December 2013 13: 05
        +4
        Quote: starshina78
        It turns out that because of this, the state and its leadership can be managed under the threat of depriving this money. It is so !


        Not. Roughly speaking, the Russian Federation keeps its money in government bonds. An attempt to block them (with any sauce) will lead to the fact that other states will stop buying them (a sharp outflow will begin), and this is just an instant default for the States and the collapse of the global financial system. Now both Russia and China are slowly getting out of this bondage (low rates). But Kudrin’s goat will be remembered for a long time ... the best finance minister of the world, damn it
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 3 December 2013 14: 53
          +7
          Quote: Cherdak
          Not. Roughly speaking, the Russian Federation keeps its money in government bonds

          - One of the reasons for holding ours (here, both Kazakhstan and Russian, I don’t really make a difference, sorry) in Amer’s bonds is to avoid a jump in inflation in the US dollar. Americans print them immeasurably, and those who have a lot of them - and a lot of them appear only in the BRICS countries, (The Eurozone and Yapia have their own convertible currency, they do not need to accumulate dollars at home, they can sell directly for euros and yen, this is an option for them in life, this is to liberals and Israeli local clowns on a note, who shout, like, "who is with the States friends - he lives great, whoever is against the States - he lives badly! " Let them know - neither Russia, when the USSR collapsed, nor did the United States plan to give such an option to other BRICS countries, they were immediately assigned a role behind Colombia and other Honudaras, below these countries! It's already clear as day! And this level is assumed for the country that first went into space, for the people who saved the planet from the brown plague !! am WILL NOT FORGIVE! Well, I’m absent from the topic), in order not to lose these grandmothers in the furnace of inflation, by mutual agreement with the amers, they used such a mechanism to curb inflation - they stupidly hang in the form of debt on the United States, but at the same time the BRICS themselves cannot buy anything on them or somehow on them to develop. In short, bullshit, not money, in fact. Do not scold Kudrin's goat too much, he plays as best he can, but there really is no other way out, except how to send to the States. If you don’t send, you will still lose in inflation, as we did in the early 90s, remember? When prices changed three times a day. Here, larger-scale transformations are needed, namely, to abandon the dollar and introduce your ruble as a convertible. But then, and what a SIN TO SAY! - and now, though now to a lesser extent, Russia was unable to challenge the United States. It is clear that the challenge to the dollar is a "red line" for the United States, Amanita with his "golden dinar" is the last proof of this. So here both China and Russia are doing the right thing - in small steps to the convertibility and intrinsic value of their currencies, to their financial sovereignty. "The chicken is pecking by the grain" is Putin's favorite expression.
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 3 December 2013 14: 54
            +6
            But in the case of SABZH, namely, an unprecedented and impudent run over by the States on the legally elected government of Ukraine (whether this government is good or bad is another question, the main thing is that this Ukrainian government is completely LEGITIMAL) already with direct threats of military intervention (100 thousand signatures collected on this subject in the USA - the hint is more than clear!) - and this - on the legitimate authority of Ukraine! - I was just shocked. It's just super! Putin spoke out on the topic that everything there is organized from the outside, but I think - this is not the case when "a chicken on the grain"! While you are here, grain by grain, Ukraine will be "demokratised" at most, do not indulge, and Yanukovych's rag with a bayonet-knife in the ass will be suspended for all to see on the same Maidan! This rag, of course, deserved such a death (excuse me, that's why Yanuokvich deserved that the rag! It clearly smells like a coup, he has every right to shoot to kill! then this Maidan in Kiev Red Square, no question am ) Here, without any seeds, clearly indicate the red line for geyropa, and for the United States, and wave a nuclear club, for an attack on Ukraine is the same as an attack on Russia! am For arrogance you need to beat in the teeth, and not remain silent!
            And in general - the Soviet Union introduced tanks to Budapest and to Prague, and nothing! Nobody dared to say anything! And neither the United States nor the geyrop could utter a word! And here it’s enough for Yanukovych to ask a rag - and there will be no question. And now they’ll just shout how they shouted 080808 with Georgia - and EVERYTHING!
            PY.SY. I have a feeling that the Russians have a chance to feed the Geyropians what the Geyropians and the Americans treated to the Russians themselves from 1990 to 2000, namely, hyperinflation, delayed wages, the loss of qualified work and its replacement by "humiliating voyages with a bag to Turkey", loss by the state of a tangible share of its scientific and technical potential and other "charms of perestroika", here it is enough for Russians to show courage and win back Ukraine for themselves. But revenge is a sweet word!
            1. matross
              matross 3 December 2013 15: 58
              +1
              Aksakal, bravo! On all counts, intelligible and sharp. Perhaps Yanukovych, rushing about and realizing that either Russian tanks or a kirdyk, will go to a request for military assistance. But will Putin agree to provide military assistance to the brotherly people? I would bet on "no answer". At least in this historical context. Boycott of the Olympics will be afraid if it is wrong. Unconvincing? Smallish? And if you remember how many copies of it were broken in Russia and money was stolen? It may well pull on a social explosion.
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 3 December 2013 16: 53
                +1
                Quote: matRoss
                But will Putin agree to provide military assistance to the brotherly people? I would bet on "no answer".

                Ha, Putin earned the image so much time, but then with a stroke of the pen everything will be visible? He has no choice if Ukraine asks for help, and Putin refuses it will not be understood in Russia.
              2. alone
                alone 3 December 2013 19: 51
                +1
                Quote: matRoss
                . Perhaps Yanukovych, having swept over and realizing that either Russian tanks or kirdyk, will go to the request for military assistance. But will Putin go to provide military assistance to the fraternal people?


                Does Russia need this? Do you think Yanukovych is worth the death of Russian soldiers and officers because of him? Think it’s so easy to bring tanks to Ukraine. And you yourself will go to this war?
                1. aksakal
                  aksakal 3 December 2013 20: 51
                  +2
                  Quote: lonely
                  Quote: matRoss
                  . But will Putin go to provide military assistance to the fraternal people?


                  Does Russia need this? Do you think Yanukovych is worth the death of Russian soldiers and officers because of him? Think it’s so easy to bring tanks to Ukraine. And you yourself will go to this war?

                  - I’m talking about a hypothetical (and not so hypothetical) one, since the Americans collected 100 signatures, they must seriously consider it, and it’s not a fact that it’s negative — Ukraine’s very serious jackpot is at stake. According to Brzezinski, the Eurasian Union cannot take place without Ukraine. The Eurasian Union will not take place - Russia is dying. The Eurasian Union will take place (I remind you, the Eurasian Union can take place only with Ukraine) - kirdyk to the Anglo-Saxons. Of course, all this is time-consuming, will be accompanied in parallel by other socio-economic and political processes, but the picture is as generalized as possible. Accordingly - the price of the issue - the own life of either Russia as an empire, or the Anglo-Saxons as an empire. Catch it? The price is maximum. But it is no coincidence from the West that such harsh and harsh statements on essentially no NOT CRIMINAL, but the most common POLITICAL demarche of Ukraine. Just something - they refused to sign political papers. Is there a crime against humanity? Yes, no it! And the screams from the USA - yes, as if Yanukovych had already surpassed Hitler in this matter! So even Assad was not blamed after being slandered against him with a chemical attack!
                  What I have cited is already evidence of the crucial nature of what is happening in Ukraine. And then the question is - in this situation, get to the tanks is the big question? For the sake of preserving your own life, the big question is to introduce tanks?
                  And an even more deadly question. After all, I made a proposal for the introduction only in case of a real danger of intervention from the West. The question is - if it is possible and not so difficult for the West to introduce tanks that they are already considering this issue, then for Russia - according to your version, is it so difficult? If this is so, if fighting for the West is a lesser problem than for Russia, if the fighting spirit of the Russians is so weak, then why did they get involved in Ukraine? Raise your paws up and everything! And we, the Kazakhs, at least the picture will become clear. For the army - the worst strategy, this is when you are a naughty grandfather, showing that you will fight, but as it comes to seriousness, so scared. Naham already - go to the end and FAT! Or from the very beginning of the foot up!
                  And the last - this is also despite the fact that Yanukovych (I REMIND - an absolutely legitimate president) will turn to Russia. And the West will act absolutely no law. Dear, even in this case you are afraid of the prospect of a military clash? laughing Sorry, in this case, sorry again, I finally guess why you lost to the Armenians in the TOY battle laughing But do not shift your weaknesses to Russians, dear. And yet - you want to back the NKAR? Forget these phrases am Go to boxing, raise your spirit, such things are only useful for women to say, sorry again!
                  1. alone
                    alone 3 December 2013 22: 31
                    0
                    Quote: aksakal
                    The Eurasian Union will not take place - Russia is dying.


                    Something you bury Russia early, our dear Aksakal)) I did not know that the fate of Russia will depend on whether there will be EWRS or not.
                2. matross
                  matross 4 December 2013 11: 46
                  0
                  Quote: lonely
                  .a you yourself go to this war?

                  No one will ask me. They will order and forward.
            2. vober
              vober 3 December 2013 17: 27
              0
              Something is imperceptible for Yanyk to be very worried about the state of the country — he dumped him in China for 3 days. It seems that those remaining from his team will figure it out themselves.
        2. corn
          corn 3 December 2013 20: 24
          +1
          Dear Cherdak
          Actually, this is a collapse for bondholders, and those who sold them owe nothing to anyone. I still found a 3 percent loan and I know what it is.
      2. just exp
        just exp 3 December 2013 14: 33
        +1
        and why lie?
        funds are in the Central Bank of the Russian Federation.
    4. Sandov
      Sandov 3 December 2013 11: 36
      +4
      The ultimate aim is the absorption of Eastern Europe under the scheme of Moldova. In the Ukrainian case is left to understand, and who, exactly, will claim the role of Romania. So far, the role of this claim Warsaw. The only difference is that the colonized territory of Ukraine is much larger than that of Poland itself.
      The eternal dream of the Poles, to destroy us. Little Russia do not give up to these Poles.
      1. shark
        shark 3 December 2013 13: 14
        +9
        I’m afraid to grab the minuses, but she has already given up. Half-human Eurointegrants are idle in Kiev. The East is silent, that means it agrees. The President of Ukraine is wicked slobber. The government is not capable. What are we talking about. What Ukraine are we talking about? there is no such state; there is a geographical concept like a prize to the winner
    5. complete zero
      complete zero 3 December 2013 11: 58
      -4
      Well, you've already thickened the colors too much (loss of independence by Russia))))) - well, Putin's power will be overthrown (for example), the regions (Tatarstan, the Far East, etc.) will scatter, and who will feed all this (Europe and America?)) ) -yes no dear, they think MONEY, and you will have to feed nearly 200 million)))) (crematoriums are not being built now)))) - but who are we to my husband after all? A nuclear power with all the ensuing consequences- "and it is to whom it is necessary "-because if it breaks out, little will not seem to anyone ... they are North Korea and then bz..yat and are forced to feed, and then Russia! .... so it's badly poor but LIVE!
    6. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 3 December 2013 13: 44
      -3
      Hello everyone !! I’m sitting at the computer and behind the box talking about Ukraine, I’m just listening to gentlemen, Ukrainians say why gas is cheaper for Germans and I remember not such a distant past, How bad it is that you can’t change history and rewrite, Remember the gas the company, Medvedev did not transfer Yushchenko, he probably, respectively, I don’t know who advised Yushchenko but I must admit he brilliantly played an anti-Russian card, Negotiations price 230, Yushchenko gives the order and the Ukrainians drop everything and go home, Remember how very loudly our media poured out Ukrainians almost THIEF Yes, and officials also tried, The next arrival was very clearly held ours called the price that seemed to them profitable Tymoshenko signed, Attention is often rattled Putin makes no mistakes is it !! Yushchenko could not change the attitude of the people to RUSSIA, Here is a long-awaited reason , But the anti-Russian company couldn’t gain momentum, They started the Nord Stream Germany gave a loan for construction and payment for a loan a special price for gas - payment for a loan, Point Our government got involved specifically, I already wrote that we want it, we don’t want Ukraine to leave, The efforts of our government didn’t disappear, but only kindled a fire of hostility towards RUSSIA, This is how our government put itself into a dead end, Any movement of our government will cause distrust whether we want it or not, Only once our government corrected its own mistake, I mean Belarus, they also wanted to crank something like that, we thought better of it, It's a shame that by our actions we ourselves gave the opponents of Russia such a powerful lever that could force the people brotherly country think of us so
      1. Midshipman
        Midshipman 3 December 2013 15: 26
        +4
        A good brother who sleeps and sees how to steal a ram (gas) from you, and if you hit him on the hands at the same time, he also blackmails you with an offense. No, you have to have dignity, without it there can be no friendship, let alone brotherhood, in principle. If they don't want to be "brothers" - don't, let them go their own way. And let them, at the same time, at least with bloody tears shed pity on them immorally, perhaps out of Christian mercy, when they crawl back on their knees.
        1. shark
          shark 3 December 2013 16: 38
          +6
          Brother in Ukrainian has a very strange meaning. He is a person who absolutely does not need money, who does not care about his own interests. And the purpose of his life is to help others free of charge. In this case, to Ukrainians, it’s not very appealing. And Ukrainians are already the second. once in ten years go to the Maidan and vilify Russia. You know that the "brothers", after what I saw and heard on the last Maidan, there was no desire to fraternize. And if earlier I did not like the behavior of the Russian authorities in relation to Ukraine, then Now I am inclined to agree with him. Apparently it was a perspicacious policy. Although not understandable to the majority of the Russian people. But now everything has fallen into place - they don’t change the brotherhood for a visa. And those who change are usually called not very warm words in a decent society , which I will not undertake to repeat here. Forward to Europe. Let the last Ukrainian pensioner die out, let the fat German feel your girls, let the amerikos disfigure your land with water hammers with poisonous chemicals, so that in two or three years to pump out all your "shale gas". I already see trains full of black earth going to side of France. This is your democratic choice. This is your visa-free entry to Europe, in which no one needs you.
          For a worthy man, a patriot, there are things more important than smooth roads and neat lawns. A pause full of German soy sausage and a gay parade in Zhmerynka. The main thing is the independence of his country and his people. The inviolability of borders and national foundations. Yes, our officials are mostly thieves and villains. But the time will come and we will deal with them ourselves. The time will come and they will be replaced by not indifferent, honest people. It has already happened in our history more than once. But you, your European drovers, will never get anywhere. Putin’s place , I would build a city near Belgorod and call it Kiev. That this territorial entity Ukraine would not disgrace holy Kievan Rus!
  2. alexng
    alexng 3 December 2013 08: 07
    +2
    An interesting look at the problem with Ukraine, although the article is belated, i.e. copy-paste.
  3. bomg.77
    bomg.77 3 December 2013 08: 09
    +4
    “For Ukraine, the best example should be Moldova, which is not trading, but has carried out reforms, thanks to which it receives assistance from the EU per person at the level of candidate members. It has achieved more than Ukraine in the matter of visa facilitation. ”
    They will make a showcase from Moldova, supposedly look Ukrainians, which you refused.
    1. HAM
      HAM 3 December 2013 08: 23
      +2
      Aha, now they are squealing: "Come in large numbers here! Don't let me in!"
    2. Angry reader
      Angry reader 3 December 2013 08: 23
      +3
      hardly ..not that scale
    3. PPL
      PPL 3 December 2013 08: 57
      +6
      What is the use of simplified visas, as long as the money is enough only to prevent the pants from falling off your ass?
      Only an agricultural display case can be made from Moldova, but not this EU is needed, it needs a sales market, and the more the better.
      1. ebrd
        ebrd 3 December 2013 17: 34
        +1
        Quote: PPZ
        What is the use of simplified visas, as long as the money is enough only to keep the pants from the ass.

        You know, this visa issue is also perplexing to me - what is the problem in general? Schengen visa costs 60 euros - is that an unbearable amount? and what are you going to do there in Europe if the price of a visa (60 euros) is significant money for you?
    4. ATATA
      ATATA 3 December 2013 09: 23
      10
      Quote: bomg.77
      They will make a showcase from Moldova, supposedly look Ukrainians, which you refused.

      But what did not they do from Bulgaria and Romania?
      1. rolik
        rolik 3 December 2013 12: 19
        +4
        Quote: ATATA
        But what did not they do from Bulgaria and Romania?

        Because it was not necessary. Now the Bulgarians have been left with only the sovereign right to produce only alcohol on the foreign market. They buy everything else in Europe, and they also produce fruits and vegetables for domestic consumption. Industry is not there, it was killed. In August, there (I went to visit my father) half of the sunflower fields are not cleaned and rotting, a huge number of abandoned fields, factories, farms. The only thing the European Union gave money for roads, only on the central. Now they are being made, but the consolation is weak. Unemployment is at the level of 25-30 percent and is growing. the Bulgarians had a hope for labor migration to the European Union, but they also cover it with the latest news (Cameron's speech). Europe is not rubber, there is no work at all.
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 3 December 2013 15: 09
          0
          I very much doubt that Moldovan will be making a showcase. And in general, is it possible to make a showcase from Moldovan?
          And for the sake of this (drawing Ukraine into the EU) they will not do any shows in border countries. Ukraine is not pulled into the EU so that they live better, but so that they vegetate in Poverty, consumed goods from the EU, and when necessary, cheap slave power was supplied. hi
      2. Angry reader
        Angry reader 3 December 2013 16: 20
        0
        It turned out to be barbarians)
    5. Denis
      Denis 3 December 2013 09: 37
      14
      Quote: bomg.77
      reforms through which it receives assistance from the EU
      But it was once easier ...
    6. Warrawar
      Warrawar 3 December 2013 10: 22
      +8
      Quote: bomg.77
      They will make a showcase from Moldova, supposedly look Ukrainians, which you refused.

      They won’t do it. As did not from the Baltic countries.
      1. Gecko
        Gecko 3 December 2013 11: 07
        +1
        That's right, because the first rule of the capitalist is: Invest as little as possible and get as much as possible.
      2. Denis
        Denis 3 December 2013 12: 06
        11
        Quote: Warrawar
        They won’t do it. How not done from the Baltic countries
        How many times have they repeated to the world ...

        (c) I.A. Krylov
        This can be explained to those who think with their heads.
        But how to convince such?
        There are many such ...
    7. vostok1982
      vostok1982 3 December 2013 11: 00
      +4
      Yeah. The same as from Bulgaria. They have neither the desire nor the ability to build shop windows. Not to fat.
    8. zvereok
      zvereok 3 December 2013 11: 33
      +2
      They didn’t do it from the Baltic states, but from Moldova. In other matters, if in the Baltic States life gradually became worse and worse over the years, then in Moldova after accession to the EU, the level may rise slightly, since there is nowhere worse.
      1. rolik
        rolik 3 December 2013 12: 22
        +1
        Quote: zvereok
        then in Moldova after accession to the EU, the level may rise slightly, since there is nowhere worse.

        60% of the budget of Moldova, money from Gaster workers working outside of it. Here is such an interesting economy.
      2. Denis
        Denis 3 December 2013 13: 49
        +1
        Quote: zvereok
        They didn’t do something from the Baltic
        What they wanted, they did. That is. as they wanted and raped. The Baltic states entered the Geyropeysky family, and the family is not without a freak, i.e. poor relative
        Completely normal tajikistan of europe turned out
    9. mivmim
      mivmim 3 December 2013 12: 01
      +2
      Quote: bomg.77
      They will make a showcase from Moldova, supposedly look Ukrainians, which you refused.

      Pi ... dos did only one showcase, Yu. Korea. They do not do this anymore, very costly.
    10. major071
      major071 3 December 2013 12: 12
      +5
      Well, sometimes it is necessary to wipe or wash a showcase. But the EU does not have money for cleaners, it will be painful to look at this showcase through 10 for years.
  4. Sanamana
    Sanamana 3 December 2013 08: 10
    +1
    For some reason, everything said in the article does not look convincing. It turns out that Romania and Poland all the mess? It is unlikely that the borders of Ukraine will be revised from outside (unless they themselves are breaking their own firewood in their own country). Here, nevertheless, the economic background is in the first place.
    1. Sunjar
      Sunjar 3 December 2013 08: 40
      +2
      No, it doesn’t work. They are just jackals who want to grab their piece, but sooner or later they will get what they deserve. It’s like during the division of territories before the Second World War, there, too, all the leading countries agreed with the division, accession.

      I do not like these decadent, defeatist sentiments - Ukraine has disappeared, a scribe has come to her. Surely there are real patriots in Ukraine who are trying with all their might to avoid the death of "square". Yes, and Yanukovych backed down, realizing that he didn't really want to be known in history as the destroyer of his country, so that later terrible tales would be told about him and hated by him and his entire family.
    2. CTEPX
      CTEPX 3 December 2013 09: 17
      +9
      Quote: Sanamana
      Here, nevertheless, the economic background is in the first place.

      Well, yes, the Anglo-Saxons (who receive commands from "their" brain), producing 1 billion green debt per day, need not only a motive for writing them off (debts), but also a mechanism to control the new virtual printing press)). We need a voynushka with the obligatory retraction of Russia (as a terpily) into it.
      With the "Great Caliphate" there was a delay (the leader did not appear), the "Nazi" project was left in reserve. The leader (the new Hitler) will be looked for in Poland or other Romania.
      Ukraine, in the presence of Westerners and Crimean Tatars, as a sacrificial ram, is suitable for the implementation of any (or both) of the options considered. All the surrounding states of Europe, the Middle East or Central Asia should serve as "firewood" in this war - "peace" against Russia.
      The stakes are quite high and all these European Wishlist are only half a ton of possible events.
    3. grandfather
      grandfather 3 December 2013 12: 37
      +2
      Sanamana in the first place is the Yalta conference on the world order of Europe, and Romania and Poland are, so to speak, the main overseers from Tan, a layer which Ukrainians will also feed.
      the world hasn’t come up with anything new from the time of the pharaohs, a global power vertical is simply being built, Ukraine in which, last but not least, shame is worse for Ukrainians, they will not be politically different from African countries, it’s shameful and insulting for brothers , but I will believe to the end that this is still a smart, strong and united people within the borders that the USSR left them.
      and if there is no mind, then the borders must be changed and people separated, so that there would not be even more grief.
  5. Grbear
    Grbear 3 December 2013 08: 11
    +3
    Neither the EU nor Russia is relaxing. They are "upset", step aside and watch.
    Ukraine is at a point where, in order to "stay in place, you have to run fast". And running to nowhere - well, very exhausting. A little time will pass, and the" half-corpses "will fall to one side. Before the elections hi .
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 3 December 2013 08: 36
      11
      Quote: GrBear
      Neither the EU nor Russia is relaxing. They are "upset", step aside and watch.

      This EU has stepped aside ???? And who is supporting Maidan now, if not the EU, who is supporting early presidential elections ???
    2. zvereok
      zvereok 3 December 2013 11: 36
      0
      Neither the EU nor Russia is relaxing. They are "upset", step aside and watch.
      Ukraine is at the point where, in order to "stay put, you have to run quickly." And running to nowhere - well, very exhausting. A little time will pass, and the "half-corpses" will fall to one side. Until the election hi.


      So far, the wind is blowing in the direction of Europe, but hell knows what will happen tomorrow, maybe a storm to the east.
  6. makarov
    makarov 3 December 2013 08: 13
    12
    T.N. "Ukrainian government" set itself a single task: - to beat a neighbor. Hoping to cut more dough for yourself. So they "pulled the beggar for sherry" to the last. None of them has ever really cared about the interests of the people since independence. There is no Ukrainian industry in Ukraine, there is the industry of oligarchs who tear each other apart, using the common people in the dark under the necessary slogans. So we got on with it.
    1. Krasnoarmeec
      Krasnoarmeec 3 December 2013 11: 52
      +1
      Quote: makarov
      T.N. "Ukrainian government" set itself a single task: - to beat a neighbor. Hoping to cut more dough for yourself.


      "Tell me, will 200 rubles save the father of Russian democracy?"
      Bargaining is not appropriate here !!!!! ")))
      hi
  7. Kite
    Kite 3 December 2013 08: 14
    +5
    "... Therefore, it is now more important to understand the motivation of the European Union itself."
    - The motivation of the EU is understandable, especially since thoughts about the participation of Russia are not allowed.
    Recently in the comments I wrote that the first main idea and goal is to weaken / destroy the territory near the borders of Russia. While there is still something to share, both Western "guests" and locals will do it with all passion, they will remember the Slavic brotherhood, like the Serbs, only when their remnants begin to iron. Only after the looting of the eastern part will talk (in the west) about Russia's participation in resolving conflicts and restoring normal life there. (With a secret grin, rejoicing at how cleverly they loaded Russia with another big problem)
    And the "elite" thinks hard there! The EU climbs there to take everything away from them!
    1. knn54
      knn54 3 December 2013 13: 02
      +2
      - Kite: and the goal is to weaken / ruin the territory near the borders of Russia.
      The Yankees (organizers and financiers of the Maidan) have their OWN goal-to CREATE, on the basis of Poland and Ukraine (Romanians and others), an Eastern OPPOSITION inside the EU.
      I. PERSONALLY, I DO NOT WISH to be at the same time with the "gentlemen" who unleashed both world wars, who used chemical and nuclear weapons and a host of other "democratic" actions.
  8. artifox
    artifox 3 December 2013 08: 23
    +5
    Is it really a secret to anyone that the main goal is to annex Ukraine to Poland? This is known since the time of Taras Bulba.

    And the economic effect for the EU from this is a pleasant bonus, which makes Brussels fuss :)
    1. uhu189
      uhu189 3 December 2013 12: 54
      +2
      Poland will never digest Ukraine in its life, by definition it cannot (rather, Ukraine can digest Poland). Maximum - a couple of areas of the West, and even then they need to be fed with something, they need to be occupied with something. In Poland, what is the shortage of jobs? Or has Poland become a great regional power?
  9. Indifferent
    Indifferent 3 December 2013 08: 39
    +1
    Now they will arrange complete poverty in Ukraine, and then they will propose to unite it with Poland in order to quickly pull it on the "right" path! Westerners will be in two hands. And the east will be squeezed. There is logic, but not very logical. Historically, Ukraine will never fall under Poland !!! And no unification and pressure from the European Union will help here.
    In general, I think that when Eurointegration is signed (and there is no doubt about it), when all the remaining production stops, when the president of the coward is removed, in a year, and the president "hero" comes with his brains completely beaten off in battles, Maidans will begin under the name " Go back "!
  10. calocha
    calocha 3 December 2013 08: 50
    +7
    Sly glanders approaching Moscow DRAG NAH OSTEN. Everything is the same, only with a different sauce. Bankers of Europe are haunted by open spaces, forests and mountains with their riches ... Everything is just beginning. We are small, but the rate is high.
    1. grandfather
      grandfather 3 December 2013 12: 49
      +1
      calocha 100%, and not people for 200g per day, shake maidan litter and do not suspect that soon they will all be dead at this pace, this is the ballast for the Anglo-Saxons. Thatcher has long voiced everything in its simplicity, since there was a simple girl from a working-class family, and the enemy is still getting closer to Asia and can’t direct it in the right direction (but soon it will sink the Arabs, they say the Russians are to blame for all their troubles).
      so you are 100% right we are too rich in the world.
  11. PPL
    PPL 3 December 2013 08: 52
    +3
    The EU is an ordinary pyramid, with all its "charms". Who is at the top, then in chocolate, who is below - in the products of its processing ...
  12. mitya24
    mitya24 3 December 2013 09: 01
    +2
    I want to believe that Orthodox Ukraine will not fall under Catholic (ugh, you disgusting) Poland. Still, in my opinion, it is not entirely appropriate to compare Moldova and Ukraine, and since the time of the Jagiellons, the people of Ukraine have dreamed of Ukraine until suddenly, on one decree, they read "God's advancing mercy, We, the Emperor and Autocrat of All Russia, the Tsar of Poland, the Grand Duke of Finland and other and other and other "
  13. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 3 December 2013 09: 04
    +3
    As long as the people are silent, and they are silent, de (p) the democratic abomination will triumph.
    It is disgusting to observe the antics of power. For ukr_ov this antics is deliberately seen, as if it were a style of conducting politics.
  14. Stiletto
    Stiletto 3 December 2013 09: 12
    +7
    Quote: indifferent
    Now they will make poverty in Ukraine, and then they will offer to unite it with Poland


    Well, it will be necessary, we will unite, Poland was also part of Russia bully But seriously, the conscience as a concept among the gay people is completely atrophied. As soon as the Berlin Wall was removed, these co-ozs immediately climbed into our garden ...
  15. Candy wrapper
    Candy wrapper 3 December 2013 09: 15
    +2
    The Yalta world order with the fragmentation of Yugoslavia, the disintegration of Czechoslovakia, the unification of Germany and the collapse of the USSR has long since sunk into oblivion. And capital ... Real capital is not a piece of paper, but means of production, and in the case of Ukraine's association with the EU, the local "masters of life" risk losing them.
  16. lukke
    lukke 3 December 2013 09: 46
    +4
    The strongest will win (who has more resources and the speed of his mobilization). Maidan with clowns is only the topmost layer of anthill. The main squabble and bidding is now going on inside. I can imagine how boilers are boiling these days at the civil servants and the local oligarchy, as well as the heads of the central and local apparatuses of the MVS, SBU. Without gloating, if only without blood
    These events and so throw Ukraine 5-10 years ago
  17. morpogr
    morpogr 3 December 2013 09: 58
    +4
    I really want to hope that Ukraine will become a geyrope across its throat and they will choke on it. And the redistribution and re-education of these sodomites will begin according to our Russian rules and desires.
  18. serge
    serge 3 December 2013 10: 44
    24
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    1. avg
      avg 3 December 2013 11: 10
      0
      It is probably not a matter of giving advice to the author of the masterpiece, but it is politically more correct to replace the Maidan with the EU. what
  19. Vasia kruger
    Vasia kruger 3 December 2013 11: 06
    0
    The correct article. I really think so.
  20. sop.ov
    sop.ov 3 December 2013 11: 06
    0
    In Kiev, such a decision is hardly ready. Therefore, the President of Ukraine will sign or not sign the Vilnius Treaty - it does not matter.
    Already will not sign. Vilnius Summit is over.
    1. Gecko
      Gecko 3 December 2013 11: 11
      0
      Already backtracked.
    2. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 3 December 2013 11: 23
      +3
      Quote: sop.ov
      Already will not sign. Vilnius Summit is over.

      Yes, in Vilnius, on this occasion, once again spread the red carpet.
      And Merkel, with a bottle of vodka in her hand, jumps up, sho b wake up the one who, having called himself President Nezalezhnoy, will put a historical autograph.
  21. sop.ov
    sop.ov 3 December 2013 11: 35
    0
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    Yes, in Vilnius, on this occasion, once again spread the red carpet.
    And Merkel, with a bottle of vodka in her hand, jumps up, sho b wake up the one who, having called himself President Nezalezhnoy, will put a historical autograph.

    Azarov announced for the European Union the price of Ukraine’s integration fellow . I'm afraid there will be no money left for all of the above.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 3 December 2013 11: 39
      +4
      Quote: sop.ov
      Azarov announced for the European Union the price of Ukraine’s integration

      Yatsenyuty will come, authorized by Svidomo, as the prime minister of the "people's government for the salvation of Ukraine", because they don't care an ECONOMIC QUESTION. And then - the question of political technologies and information war.
  22. groin
    groin 3 December 2013 11: 42
    0
    Allow Ukraine to enter Europe. Care at all, then they will understand who is the enemy, and who is friend and brother. It is a pity that at such a price, otherwise they will not see clearly.
  23. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 3 December 2013 11: 54
    +5
    By "tearing" Moldova and Ukraine away from Russia, Western neo-colonialists are simultaneously solving several problems. The most important task is to weaken the nascent economic union of the post-Soviet republics (now independent states). Thus, Ukraine will create a huge gap in the economic system of the Customs Union. Considering. that the population of western Ukraine has a negative attitude towards Russia, The West will use this bridgehead to conduct anti-Russian activities. And there you look, and not far from NATO. Poland will hardly succeed in swallowing Ukraine, but economic colonization is only a matter of time. But the main result of this whole process is the suffering of the common people of Ukraine!
    1. groin
      groin 3 December 2013 12: 20
      +1
      Ivanych 47. I agree to 100, but where is the way out? The problems in Ukraine will end, they will begin in another place, in other countries, our "partners" have a lot of blanks.
      Only by becoming strong and successful ourselves, we will change the vector of attraction for Ukraine, Moldova, etc. In the meantime, Europe is more attractive to them, not only for its loyalty to blue freaks, but also for a sausage trip. I hope that it will be better for us to live a normal person, then others will reach for us. And so a hopeless confrontation. Who more hang-ons hangs that and the right.
  24. Clegg
    Clegg 3 December 2013 12: 38
    0
    There are few Ukrainians here, probably many on the Maidan. Well done, throw Yanudescu to the dustbin of history.
  25. Pesnyadv
    Pesnyadv 3 December 2013 12: 43
    +1
    The elite of Ukraine (and other countries as well) sees their benefits through the multiplication of their capitals. Or, at least, through the preservation of the earned "back-breaking labor".

    The United States holds the entire elite of the world for moshna and scrotum, providing them with banking services.

    Hence the conclusion!
    Deprive the United States of banking leverage and the birds themselves will fly out of the cage.
    In another way, tyagomotin is unpromising, unsystematic and very doubtful for obtaining long-term and decisive success in liberating elites from external dependence ...
    Financial savings in dollars stored in US-controlled territories will be lost (depreciated) - the scrotums will gain freedom.
    1. groin
      groin 3 December 2013 13: 07
      0
      That is the GDP and wants to deal with the "world holders of the scrotum." Otherwise, everything created and preserved with such difficulty may be projected by someone ... Otherwise, there is no way out. Russia and all the former USSR is too tasty.
  26. Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 3 December 2013 13: 10
    0
    If Russia stops oil and gas, it’s over with the EU!
    1. alone
      alone 3 December 2013 19: 56
      +1
      Quote: Robert Nevsky
      If Russia stops oil and gas, it’s over with the EU!


      Do you think nobody except Russia sells oil and gas?)))
  27. uhu189
    uhu189 3 December 2013 13: 10
    +2
    The article is in many ways fantastic - no one in the EU will allow Poland to swallow Ukraine - then Poland's voice in the European Union will become too strong. And such a takeover is beyond the power of Poland; they cannot cope either economically, politically or culturally. But what the only thing, as it seems to me, the EU needs (and note right now) is to prevent the customs union from expanding. After all, no one had raised the question of association before - although it was quite logical in 2004 after the Orange Bacchanalia came to power ... After all, then there was a much more loyal EU regime. And nevertheless, nothing in essence - except for an energy charter and the usual empty chatter about a bright future. And here and Moldova, and Armenia, and Georgia, and Ukraine - all are associated with Europe. It is strange that Tajikistan was not invited to Europe - that we would all laugh. In fact, the Euro-Atlantic conglomerate is working for the future, for the future, so to speak, trying to knock out the bricks for restoring Russia's influence in the form of a customs union. It will work out or not - time will tell. It seems to me that no, their time has already passed, no matter how they puffed up. But they can still do a lot of trouble for us. But on the other hand, the price of these our European "partners" is obvious to all ... African wild tribes are much more honest and humane in comparison with these "gentlemen".
  28. sop.ov
    sop.ov 3 December 2013 13: 33
    +1
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    Come Yatsenyut authorized by Svidomo

    so win the same time to grind my ultimat - I won’t give you the answer. Who will transfer the money to toilet paper what
  29. ioann1
    ioann1 3 December 2013 14: 41
    +1


    Ukraine is pressed by its fascists and external colonialists. But in no case should we forget about Russia. The colonialists have plenty of their vassals in Russia, from whose dominance we should free ourselves. But there is no more time!
  30. indiggo
    indiggo 3 December 2013 14: 47
    0
    I don’t think that the Russian authorities are simply looking at the situation, as practice shows, Moscow pauses first to figure out what and how, a vivid example of Syria, everyone there also thought that everything had already been decided. the last word will be for Moscow ... maybe they will start playing a card on the return of Crimea.
  31. silver_roman
    silver_roman 3 December 2013 14: 53
    +1
    Poland will choke rather than swallow!
    Take a look at Maidan: who is protesting there? students who do not have money and who simply simply earn it. Had there been a rally to join Honduras, the composition of the protesters would not have changed much.
    The general mass of the people is simply watching this all BL * DSTV and hopes for its soon completion.
    While on the horizon looms "plumbing" in the EU, this "general mass" will be silent, because already tired of the "orange", of the YUSCHA and the "Donetsk". our consciousness is asleep for various reasons: someone already spits on everything and goes "downwind", someone relies on external forces and believes that age-old friendship will not fail, and ONE COUNTRY will gather both territorially and politically.
    But if we talk about the fact that Ukraine will be absorbed by Poland, then this very "general mass" of the people will wake up and no one will seem a little !!!
    the truth is to pay tribute to Anglo-Saxon TV * ry: the work of euthanizing the vigilance and hypnosis of the weakest citizens works with a bang! And who are the weakest? - Students are young people who simply cannot draw conclusions from history. For today's reasons, the USSR was falling apart on the Maidan. The people of the 90s remember this and they won’t step on such a rake ... it’s a pity the stupid youth in MOST CASES !!!
    ps some will argue the opposite (at the expense of "stupid youth"), but this is my personal subjective opinion, based on live communication!
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  34. Sadikoff
    Sadikoff 3 December 2013 15: 42
    0
    In the CU from Ukraine, not a single piece of zamli will be lost, it will still increase by Transnistria. And those who are dissatisfied will reckon towards the EU if they need to receive a certificate from the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine to obtain political refugee status in the EU.
  35. mountain
    mountain 3 December 2013 15: 53
    0
    The EU is a silent death, both for Europe and its participants.
  36. mountain
    mountain 3 December 2013 15: 53
    0
    The EU is a silent death, both for Europe and its participants.
  37. shtanko.49
    shtanko.49 3 December 2013 18: 15
    0
    Quote: shark
    Brother in Ukrainian has a very strange meaning. He is a person who absolutely does not need money, who does not care about his own interests. And the purpose of his life is to help others free of charge. In this case, to Ukrainians, it’s not very appealing. And Ukrainians are already the second. once in ten years go to the Maidan and vilify Russia. You know that the "brothers", after what I saw and heard on the last Maidan, there was no desire to fraternize. And if earlier I did not like the behavior of the Russian authorities in relation to Ukraine, then Now I am inclined to agree with him. Apparently it was a perspicacious policy. Although not understandable to the majority of the Russian people. But now everything has fallen into place - they don’t change the brotherhood for a visa. And those who change are usually called not very warm words in a decent society , which I will not undertake to repeat here. Forward to Europe. Let the last Ukrainian pensioner die out, let the fat German feel your girls, let the amerikos disfigure your land with water hammers with poisonous chemicals, so that in two or three years to pump out all your "shale gas". I already see trains full of black earth going to side of France. This is your democratic choice. This is your visa-free entry to Europe, in which no one needs you.
    For a worthy man, a patriot, there are things more important than smooth roads and neat lawns. A pause full of German soy sausage and a gay parade in Zhmerynka. The main thing is the independence of his country and his people. The inviolability of borders and national foundations. Yes, our officials are mostly thieves and villains. But the time will come and we will deal with them ourselves. The time will come and they will be replaced by not indifferent, honest people. It has already happened in our history more than once. But you, your European drovers, will never get anywhere. Putin’s place , I would build a city near Belgorod and call it Kiev. That this territorial entity Ukraine would not disgrace holy Kievan Rus!

    I wholeheartedly support this article, but this is true for socialism, under capitalism there are no such moral and moral principles as honor, conscience, patriotism. There is only "loot", at all levels of government, and even the lower classes, we have been stolen everything that was human in us.
  38. shtanko.49
    shtanko.49 3 December 2013 18: 15
    0
    Quote: shark
    Brother in Ukrainian has a very strange meaning. He is a person who absolutely does not need money, who does not care about his own interests. And the purpose of his life is to help others free of charge. In this case, to Ukrainians, it’s not very appealing. And Ukrainians are already the second. once in ten years go to the Maidan and vilify Russia. You know that the "brothers", after what I saw and heard on the last Maidan, there was no desire to fraternize. And if earlier I did not like the behavior of the Russian authorities in relation to Ukraine, then Now I am inclined to agree with him. Apparently it was a perspicacious policy. Although not understandable to the majority of the Russian people. But now everything has fallen into place - they don’t change the brotherhood for a visa. And those who change are usually called not very warm words in a decent society , which I will not undertake to repeat here. Forward to Europe. Let the last Ukrainian pensioner die out, let the fat German feel your girls, let the amerikos disfigure your land with water hammers with poisonous chemicals, so that in two or three years to pump out all your "shale gas". I already see trains full of black earth going to side of France. This is your democratic choice. This is your visa-free entry to Europe, in which no one needs you.
    For a worthy man, a patriot, there are things more important than smooth roads and neat lawns. A pause full of German soy sausage and a gay parade in Zhmerynka. The main thing is the independence of his country and his people. The inviolability of borders and national foundations. Yes, our officials are mostly thieves and villains. But the time will come and we will deal with them ourselves. The time will come and they will be replaced by not indifferent, honest people. It has already happened in our history more than once. But you, your European drovers, will never get anywhere. Putin’s place , I would build a city near Belgorod and call it Kiev. That this territorial entity Ukraine would not disgrace holy Kievan Rus!

    I wholeheartedly support this article, but this is true for socialism, under capitalism there are no such moral and moral principles as honor, conscience, patriotism. There is only "loot", at all levels of government, and even the lower classes, we have been stolen everything that was human in us.
  39. washi
    washi 3 December 2013 18: 24
    0
    PICTURED:
    Members of the former ruling party of Georgia, the United National Movement, joined the protest rally in Kiev on the evening of December 2 to support supporters of Ukraine’s European integration.
    This was reported by the website "News-Georgia" with reference to the Georgian television company Imedi.
    Georgian deputy David Sakvarelidze told the channel’s correspondent for shares in Kiev: “Unfortunately, Ukraine and Georgia have one main problem - Russia. She will not be able to alienate Georgia and Ukraine from a natural orbit called accession to Europe. ”
    Deputies from the minority of the Georgian parliament were thanked for support and were treated to tea by the organizers of Euromaidan.
    “If this country and this people wring their hands, then we will be given quite a lot of pressure. If today the Ukrainian people will win on the Maidan, and they will achieve their goal, then we will have a more peaceful life throughout the year, and we will be able to calmly continue the path to Europe, ”said Sergo Ratiani.
    “This crisis, difficulties and problem in Ukraine are caused only by the factor of Russia, pressure and the use of leverage that Russia has against Ukraine,” added Georgy Baramidze.
    http://hvylya.org/news/digest/gruzinskie-oppozitsioneryi-prisoedinilis-k-evromay
    danu-v-kieve.html
  40. coserg 2012
    coserg 2012 3 December 2013 19: 23
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    As my father used to say to me in childhood: “Whatever the cats climb, don't leave the meat on the table, put it in the refrigerator.” - Yanukovych wants to be friends with the “cats” and the country of “meat” is a pity. Somehow in the comments I met a picture where The GDP stands next to a high "not stale" president. Judging by the business, today the comment is completely different ...
  41. uizik
    uizik 3 December 2013 19: 29
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    The current and previous authorities are to blame for what is happening. All 22 years cultivated hatred of everything Russian, encouraged rudeness and permissiveness of Bandera and the Nazis in the western part of the country. They got a new generation of Nazis and fascists in their country. They condoned the functioning of non-profit organizations, under whose wing they cultivate militants and weave plans to overthrow the current government. They contributed to the plunder of the country and the impoverishment of the people. Tales of a single people are already tired. Like the pulling in the EU! Again, the impudent, screaming minority dictates its terms to the majority who plow for pennies. Power changes, but the life of ordinary people does not change. The power of deaf and weak. She cannot protect herself, the people all the more. Fully listens to the advice of all sorts of Fule, Kaczynski and other Western riffraff. Who needs it then?
  42. Alfonso
    Alfonso 3 December 2013 20: 31
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    Quote: "Researcher T. Yakovleva, figuring out the reasons for the Ruins, rightly notes that" the unwillingness to sacrifice one's own benefits for the good of Ukraine, for the sake of preserving the Cossack state, the irreconcilability of the position of various groups and individuals further complicated the internal political situation, provoked speeches by the "shamed", created chaos and confusion made it impossible for even a short-term stabilization. "
    The following characteristic features of the Ruins can be distinguished:
    - The aggravation of social conflicts as a consequence of the social egoism of the foreman, its abuse, attempts to reanimate the old gentry orders, ignoring the socio-economic interests of not only peasants, but also ordinary Cossacks;
    - The beginning of the civil war, which led to a split in Ukraine on a territorial basis;
    - Strengthening in the minds of the political elite of the dangerous tendency to abandon the national state idea and highlighting regional, and even private political interests; the fading of the state idea, a return to the idea of ​​autonomy;
    - Appeal to the governments of foreign states in solving domestic political problems of Ukraine, skillfully played on the contradictions, using them for their own purposes;
    - A fierce struggle for power, in particular for the hetman's mace, during which it even reached the destruction of rivals. At the same time, Ukraine had two, or even three or four hetmans (1668: P. Doroshenko, P. Sukhovey, M. Khanenko, D. Mnogogreshny), who were at enmity with each other and focused on different countries in their policies.
    It will be approximately the same.
    According to the laws of historical development, history repeats itself.
  43. Director
    Director 4 December 2013 01: 09
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    A man walks on rails and sees that a train is approaching. If he is sane - then he will step aside and miss, but if not ...
  44. Director
    Director 4 December 2013 01: 09
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    A man walks on rails and sees that a train is approaching. If he is sane - then he will step aside and miss, but if not ...
  45. GUSAR
    GUSAR 4 December 2013 07: 01
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    Ukraine in its current borders is an artificial and stillborn entity. Therefore, it will always be shaken and sausage, the question is different - how long will this artificial state last, and it’s absolutely natural that they will divide, absorb and tear pieces from it all and sundry
  46. GUSAR
    GUSAR 4 December 2013 07: 01
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    Ukraine in its current borders is an artificial and stillborn entity. Therefore, it will always be shaken and sausage, the question is different - how long will this artificial state last, and it’s absolutely natural that they will divide, absorb and tear pieces from it all and sundry
  47. Known who
    Known who 4 December 2013 11: 06
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    Here, and so it is clear to everyone that they do not give a damn about Ukraine and its people, everything is done in order to humiliate Russia and, if possible, end its economy, having captured the market before the Chinese