What is the reason for such a pitiable demographic state of the Russian people?

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What is the reason for such a deplorable demographic state of the Russian people, although relatively recently, with historical point of view, was our people one of the healthiest and fastest growing on the planet? Many researchers, especially those who are critical of the Soviet period in the history of the Fatherland, say that it is a matter of political and socio-economic disasters that fell to Russia in the first half of the 20th century. Indeed, the First World War, the 1917 revolution of the year, civil war and intervention, a big wave of emigration from Russia, red, white and green terror, two big famines, the Great Patriotic War claimed tens of millions of lives. Indirect losses, taking into account the unborn citizens of Russia - even higher.

As a result, researchers, admiring the “old Russia”, the Russian empire, seeing the ideal in it, accuse the Soviet authorities and the Soviet system of the fact that it was he who destroyed the Russian village (collectivization and disclosure), drove people to the cities (urbanization and industrialization). After 1917, a “mine” was laid on the Russian birth rate and family institution. In particular, in Russia, the first in the world to legalize abortion, abolished the church marriage, pushed people into extramarital cohabitation, liberalized divorce. Killing children is no longer a sin. Part of the Bolsheviks (the “Trotskyists”) generally proposed to abolish the family institution. The USSR in the years of NEP was overwhelmed by the first wave of the sexual revolution. Under Stalin, abortion was banned, but after his death was allowed again. In addition, industrialization and the growing role of women in society have undermined the housewife’s institution. Women were not up to the children. As a result, the country lost the year for 1920 to 2010 only because of abortions, according to estimates by the Director of the Institute for Demographic Studies Igor Beloborodov, about 240 million lives. This first led to a fall in the birth rate, and then an excess of mortality over the birth rate. Therefore, researchers conclude that it is the Soviet civilization that is to blame for the current demographic problem in Russia.

Obviously, the two geopolitical disasters that Russia experienced in 1917-1920 and 1941-1945 bore a serious blow to Russian demography. Russia has missed millions of people. However, it is obvious that this is not only the case. For example, in 1944-1945, during the war years, the birth rate in the country was higher than in recent years, rather well-fed and calm. Yes, and the population in the USSR is constantly growing. Thus, it can be said that, despite all the problems, the Soviet system cannot be blamed for undermining the demographics of the nation. Although in the late Soviet period there were already serious negative trends. This was due to the degeneration of the Soviet system, the party nomenclature, which eventually led to the collapse of the USSR. It is obvious that the problem of fertility is not connected with the Soviet system.

Thus, in the Russian Federation a significant part of the Soviet achievements was destroyed. Russia in 1991 experienced a third geopolitical catastrophe in the 20th century. In the economic sphere, capitalism was restored. In the spiritual sphere, the Christian church, Islamic organizations and other religious structures received complete freedom. Other attributes of “free Russia” have also returned. However, in the field of morality and demography, modern Russia shows much worse indicators than Soviet civilization.



Other researchers say that The demographic crisis in Russia is associated with the so-called “white civilization” crisis as a whole. At the beginning of the 20th century, it seemed that white Europe, Russia and the United States would be the eternal leaders of the planet. Western civilization almost completely controlled humanity. Europeans controlled Latin America through finance and economics. Almost all of Africa and Asia were divided into colonies and spheres of influence. Huge India, with the inclusion of modern Pakistan and Bangladesh, was a colony of Great Britain. Decentralized China was a semi-colony, with decaying, corrupt central and local authorities, a dependent economy. The Ottoman Empire, the Islamic world as a whole, was under the control of the Western powers. Only Russia was an autocratic (sovereign) power, but it was, though special, but part of the “white world”. Economically, scientifically and technologically, Europe has become so detached from the rest of the world that the alignment of the development of individual regions of the planet seemed unthinkable.

The dominance of the white race rested on a solid demographic foundation. In 1900, the population of Europe numbered 408 million, in North America lived 82 million people (the Europeans had full numerical superiority over Native Americans - "red"), and in Africa - 133 million people. In 2000, Africa already overtook Europe: Europeans - 727 million, in Africa - 795 million. And the gap was rapidly growing: already in 2005, the Europeans - 724 million, Africans - 887 million. To date, the population of Europe has grown by several million people, and the population of Africa is already more than 1 billion people. The population of other regions of the planet - Central and South America, Asia is growing rapidly.

At the beginning of the 20th century, the share of the European population in the global percentage was 25%, and taking into account the populated mainly by Europeans and their descendants by territories - 36%. Thus, the white race was more than a third of the world's population. The Russian Empire, as already noted in the first article on the subject of demography (Demographic problem as a threat to Russian civilization), was the third region on the planet in terms of population, second only to China and India. Over the course of a century, a demographic change has taken place, and the share of Europeans in the world has halved. In the future, according to experts, the share of Europeans in the global population will continue to decline. Demographic statistics show that while all of Africa, almost all of Asia, all of America, Australia and Oceania, continue to grow, in most European countries, as well as in Russia and Japan, the indigenous population continues to decline.

The demographic crisis has covered Europe in the second half of the XX century. Moreover, its consequences were felt by both the Catholic and Protestant countries, and the Orthodox, both economically developed, representing the “core” of the capitalist system, and peripheral states. The first wave of demographic crisis has covered the countries of the Old World. After the collapse of the USSR and the socialist bloc, the countries of Eastern Europe and the Slavic republics of the Soviet Union were in the worst position. In Russia, even appeared the terrible term “Russian cross”, meaning low birth rate and high mortality. The fertility rate, that is, the ratio of the number of women of childbearing age and children, has dropped below 1,5, and for the reproduction of the population, the coefficient 2,1-2,2 is required. A very difficult demographic situation in Northern Europe: in Germany, Sweden, Norway and Finland.

The main reason for the failure in the field of demography, as a rule, is called the so-called. the effect of a “demographic transition” when a transition from an agrarian to an industrial society occurs. Indeed, statistics say that in the 20th century, as urbanization increased, the reproduction rate of the population decreased. It is proved that the townspeople prefer to start no more than 1-2 children, that is, the urban population is not self-replicating. The housing issue, parental employment, high external pressure, lack of time - all this undermines the process of childbearing. In addition, experts pay attention to the factor of alcoholism. Stresses of the urban lifestyle lead to an increase in the consumption of alcohol and other drug addicts. All this leads to an increase in mortality. Experts even found a direct link between the increase in the level of alcohol consumption and the increase in mortality. Alcohol leads to an increase in mortality in a number of indicators, from cardiovascular diseases to injuries, death due to accidents, domestic homicides, etc. At the same time, the life expectancy of men, who are the main consumers of alcohol, decreases (especially this difference between men and women). was noticeable before). This is especially evident in large cities. So, at present, the share of the urban population is 74%. And the trend towards the growth of megacities and the reduction of rural settlements continues to gain momentum. It is believed that adverse demographic changes begin at a time when the share of the urban population in the country rises to 60%. Thus, if this theory is correct, then about 40% of the country's citizens should live in the countryside.

At the same time, opponents of the theory of urbanization as the main culprit of the demographic crisis of the “white civilization” cite as an example a number of interesting facts that are not well combined with this theory. So, the UK as a whole went through the process of urbanization by the middle of the XIX century. There, the peasantry was actually destroyed as a class. However, the natural population growth there continued along with the active colonization of other regions of the planet for more than a century. In Russia, urbanization reached the current level in Soviet times, but in the USSR the population grew until the collapse of the state. It did not prevent a high degree of urbanization and the rapid growth of the population of Argentina and Brazil, the largest Latin American countries. So, in 2008, 86% of the Brazilian population was urban. The country's population is growing rapidly: 1980 year - 122 million people, 1990 year - 151 million, 2000 - 175 million, now - more than 200 million people. The forecast for 2030 year - 222 million. In Argentina, 92% is the urban population. The population is growing rapidly: in 2001, there were 36,2 million people, in 2010 - 40,4 million people. A similar picture can be seen in Uruguay: the urban population is 92%, the population is constantly growing. In addition, we can note the growth of the urban population and large cities in many countries of the world, but at the same time their population is also growing. Thus, urbanization cannot be called the main reason for the extinction of the white race.

To be continued ...
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  1. +34
    2 December 2013 07: 35
    All the wars affected the Russian people ... the last decade of Soviet power, the Russian people prevailed in highly intellectual and high-tech industries ... which gave a high income and a guarantee of the future, for the last twenty years the country has been dropped to the level after the civil war of the last century. Migration policy, with millions the state is striving to invite unemployed its citizens millions of times large millions of streibreikher ... selecting the last opportunity to earn their citizens.
    The Russians have always survived due to the quality of their future generation, and not the quantity of anything insignificant descendants ... everything, as in nature ... it is the degenerate species that follow the path of quantity, not quality of offspring.
    Migrants are a slowed-down bomb of degeneration ... in which country people are disabled with intelligence ... and there it’s just differently, they clearly showed it under the Soviet regime ... now it’s completely uncontrolled.
    Give the future to your people ... and it will begin to grow numerically.
    1. +11
      2 December 2013 08: 20
      Absolutely noticed - pure biology and nothing more. If rats are many times more than humans, this does not mean that Rattus norvegicus will supplant Homo sapiens. The biosphere is too small to fit an unlimited number of dominant species, and nature is smart enough. Therefore, it is not worth worrying strongly about the number of Caucasians - we dominate qualitatively. But the decline in our quality superiority cannot be allowed in any way, and this depends on us ourselves.
      1. +6
        2 December 2013 10: 12
        As for quality superiority: when a person enters an urbanized environment, this person. subconsciously shifts from quantitative to high-quality reproduction, since he feels that only “better” children will receive an advantage in survival in conditions of dense population and high competition. Comparing different countries by analyzing the effect of urbanization, as the author of the article does, is absolutely incorrect, since the effects of confounding factors and the effect of modifiers are ignored (for example: the effect of the culture of the people on the issue of childbirth, religion (position of a woman), government policy (legislation stimulating fertility), income level, wars, confidence in the future, etc.). If we compare, then we need the urban and rural population in one separate country, for example, the number of children in families.
        As for the Russian problem, this is like the principle of Anna Karenina: happy families are all the same, but each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way. There is no one reason, there is a complex of problems, and in order to be a plus, you need to solve them all. Problems: a small part of the rural population (and statistics do not tell the truth because many young people living in the village do not see the prospect of staying in the village. And positioning yourself is more important than physical presence), lack of resources, inequality (a very serious problem!). These are basic.
        1. +3
          2 December 2013 10: 54
          Thus, urbanization cannot be called the main cause of the extinction of the white race.
          Here it’s a little wrong to cite the example of a country of Western civilization. the Russian mentality is very different from the western. From time immemorial in Russia, the birth rate in the village was higher, and the city has always been a minus in terms of birth rate. What in Peter's times, as now. Rural youth, not all, but pronounced passionarity, always sought to the city, to dream, to glory. Lomonosov, Zhukovsky, Gagarin, etc. were village boys.hi
          1. DimychDV
            0
            2 December 2013 14: 46
            And this one, like her - well, that asks to let her go to the Himalayas - also from the hinterland, she sings - I was born in Siberia!
            But in patriarchal times, peasants traveled to the city, and in ours - the good girls and the ladies are beautiful.
        2. +3
          2 December 2013 21: 00
          It's simple: we take 2 test tubes, bacteria multiply in one, but not in the other, well, at least crack it! Why? The tubes are the same, the corks are the same, but the effect is the opposite! It's just that in one test tube there are conditions for reproduction, and in the other not! A vivid example: a young family, both have "in-demand" professions. He is a young engineer, she is a foreman. The salary is 15 tr. and 10, respectively, there is no apartment, help from parents for various, even valid reasons, is insufficient. Who can be born in such conditions and lope? And in the village it is even cooler, from the benefits of civilization there is only electricity, to the regional center 10-15-20 versts in some places off-road, there is also a doctor, and police, and "culture". She is on the farm, he gets an average of 10. Are there children?
    2. 225chay
      +16
      2 December 2013 08: 23
      Quote: Strashila
      For the last twenty years, the country has been thrown back to the level after the civil war of the last century. Migration policy, with millions of unemployed citizens, the state seeks to invite millions of times as large millions of streibreikhers ... selecting the last opportunity to earn money for their citizens.

      Probably from the time of Gorbachev’s perestroika for a decade, the authorities have been pursuing a policy of slander, trampling into the mud, and humiliation of the indigenous, mostly Slavic people ... And at the same time, the uncontrolled migration of millions from Asia encouraged by the authorities ...
      What is it, freeing up space for the arrival of new meek Asian slaves who will serve those in power for a handful of rice?
      But then is this a hidden genocide of the indigenous population or am I mistaken?
      1. +11
        2 December 2013 09: 30
        All these are acts of the perestroika bastards.
      2. DimychDV
        +2
        2 December 2013 14: 46
        And you think for yourself, hidden or explicit. Will it be an answer? The exploiters are not interested in nationality. They will cut out one another - he will bring new slaves to these same huts. Those will not have to pay at all ...
    3. yuri p
      +3
      2 December 2013 09: 43
      "The Russians have always survived at the expense of quality" .... what kind of Cossacks, who in the Voronezh region do not blame stupidity, the Cossacks ended in a civil war, and now they are mummers who exist only to make money, an example of the Cossacks of the Vornezh region.http: // www .onlineon.ru / 2013-02-12 / article / 7563 / here's a link, and recently the chief ecologist and chieftain of the Cossacks were arrested for extortion from companies that conduct geological exploration in the region, were detained red-handed with tens of millions, why are they better than the extortionist bandits and it is not necessary to stir up the nats.rozn this is not a nationalist site, but a site of the country's patriots.
      1. rereture
        +3
        2 December 2013 10: 07
        In Strashila's Comment nothing is said about the Cossacks. Read carefully, it says quality.
      2. +4
        2 December 2013 13: 42
        I do not agree with you about the Cossacks "who exist only to profit ..".
        And the whole story with the red-handed arrest during the transfer of money ... and then the detention of the Cossack ... all this is somehow well adjusted. Like, "here they are the defenders of Khopr, they also covered up." In general, it smells like a setup, I would even say it stinks.
        1.This guy with glasses who is an ecologist or whoever he is, is not such a navel of the earth to prohibit building or exploration of something there, he can write as much as he wants to the authorities ... but there is no prohibition! He extorted money, they say, is he "walking" ?! If he cannot impose a sanction or seriously annoy him with compromising evidence - what kind of extortion he is !? How to extort something?))). That's the problem.
        2. A Cossack with money is sitting on the bus, so what !? He just made an offer from which he could not refuse. So to say "either-or".
        This is my subjective opinion.
        Those guys who are behind the development of nickel in our area just like that will not refuse this tidbit. It has long been rumored that theoretically this nickel was simply heaped up with us, but it is very difficult to get it (too deep) but possible. So they came, it’s not necessary to carry Norilsk with a steamboat-motor ship, the climate is again more comfortable, everything is close by. And people, what are people? Who thinks about them, about people. They will be as they are, but they will not be in any way!
        And I won’t believe that it’s for the benefit of the state, production will go and people will fix and build everything, slave. they will give places, I won’t believe that they will be mined by the most-most environmentally friendly methods, I won’t believe that they will not cause harm to nature / people. It will cost a pretty penny, and no one knows what the return will be, that's all. And it will be like in the North, only there is the tundra, and then villages and cities. I believe that he can lie until better times this nickel))).
        Regarding the "Cossacks in the Voronezh region", the phenomenon is not quite usual for our region, well, these innovations that appeared in the early 90s as "the revival of the Cossacks" I do not take - this is a separate conversation.
        At the turn of the XlX-XX centuries before WWI and Civil War, many would be surprised at this phrase. I cannot say that there were no Cossacks at that time on the territory of the province, this is a delusion, but the fact that they constituted a significant part of the population and "here is the Cossack land" is even more untrue. At that time, they made up a small percentage of the population, and then mainly the descendants of the Zaporozhians inhabiting the south-west of the region, who did not even attribute themselves to the Cossacks. If we talk about the Don Cossacks, then their share in the population of the province was even less (we are talking about purely Cossack settlements of both the Don and the descendants of the Zaporozhye Cossacks), tk. By this time, the territory of the Don Cossacks' residence was already clearly marked, and they clearly carried out the division "friend or foe". By the way, Sholokhov wrote about this in "Quiet Don". Cossacks even frightened the local population if a semblance of an uprising or riot was brewing, apparently they were used by the state as a military force to pacify the rebels. The old people told me about this. Therefore, in our places (the south of the region) they were openly disliked, but they went to hunger and laborers "to the Don region," so to speak. But all this was still in the "Russian Empire" and in the "revolutionary" time before collectivization. So those Cossacks who have appeared with us now, I don't know WHAT are these Cossacks? True, I don't know, maybe real ones ...
        1. DimychDV
          +1
          2 December 2013 15: 00
          The Union of Cossacks of Russia is like a public organization, supports old traditions, way of life, educates its own in the spirit ... and so on. But the registry somehow more focused on cash income. Well, they earn - and thank God, if only the customers - summer residents or garage workers - were satisfied. But, sometimes it is audible, and they have a hope to get to budget funds. I did not delve deeply, but I think that budget support is needed in educational Cossack programs - and in settlement ones. Moreover, militarily, state policy in relations with the Cossacks should be clearly structured. And every Cossack establishment - with hard-earned money!
      3. DimychDV
        +3
        2 December 2013 14: 53
        That's it. From the point of view of the peasant and the working man, today the Cossack is a burdened loafer, mainly from retirees and other security officials. By the way, for the hard worker and small entrepreneur, stripped of bribes and taxes, all these structures, including the army, are the same burials. Only a Cossack can even go with shafts - he is still outlawed, but you will not go for sovereign people very much.
    4. +1
      2 December 2013 09: 49
      The composition of land mapping has changed many times,
      1. +1
        2 December 2013 11: 26
        Let's start with the main thing - in nature there is no such thing
        Quote: Strashila
        as in nature ... it is degenerate species that follow the path of quantity, not quality of offspring.

        the quality in nature of living organisms is due to natural selection, the quantity is by the capabilities of the host landscape and the amount of food.
        With regard to demography, the listed factors (politics, economics, wars, etc.) play a role in demography, but there is one more factor, ethnogenesis. Anyone interested in this aspect, I advise you to get acquainted with the works of L.N. Gumeleva, especially "Ethnogenesis and the biosphere of the earth"
      2. 0
        2 December 2013 11: 26
        Let's start with the main thing - in nature there is no such thing
        Quote: Strashila
        as in nature ... it is degenerate species that follow the path of quantity, not quality of offspring.

        the quality in nature of living organisms is due to natural selection, the quantity is by the capabilities of the host landscape and the amount of food.
        With regard to demography, the listed factors (politics, economics, wars, etc.) play a role in demography, but there is one more factor, ethnogenesis. Anyone interested in this aspect, I advise you to get acquainted with the works of L.N. Gumeleva, especially "Ethnogenesis and the biosphere of the earth"
        1. +1
          2 December 2013 13: 18
          Quote: bazilio
          in nature there is no such thing
          Exactly. Why would a fish or a fly be called a "degenerate species"? They will also survive our species. According to this logic, the elephant has the highest quality offspring, because there is only one elephant, and people have several twins. And how can you compare the quality of fly and human offspring? You can talk about fertile animals and animals adapting ...
    5. 0
      2 December 2013 20: 31
      Yes, not the future is needed, but the present. If there are no conditions for the birth of children now, tomorrow it will be too late to create these conditions. Now there’s nowhere for young people to live, and a man often can’t feed his wife and child for his salary. And this is a moronic allowance for giving birth to 2 children, which often creates more problems than help? In my meager minds, children should be born of love, and not in order to increase material wealth. The desire of the leadership of our state to increase the population is absolutely not visible, and the hell needs this growth when there is nothing to occupy the existing people with?
      1. 0
        2 December 2013 22: 03
        Quote: Starina_Hank
        a man often cannot feed his wife and child for his salary

        Well, stop lying. Man always feed his wife and children. But it is unclear who, who wants everything to fall from the sky and at the same time sit around to drive toys - for sure, he will not be able to.
        He will whine and refer to problems.

        I don’t like Amerikos - but I can’t take it away - my paws rustle when necessary. There are several acquaintances.

        And the "Russians", it turns out, have degenerated, since they can only cry ...
  2. Edward
    +32
    2 December 2013 08: 02
    The demographic crisis is easy to explain: there is no strength to feed the family.
    The people are barely making ends meet.
    That’s the whole truth.
    1. +2
      2 December 2013 08: 23
      ... by taking loans, and trying to live "no worse than others", like on TV. Who does not want to look for reasons. recourse
      1. Edward
        +2
        2 December 2013 08: 49
        How many children do you have?
        1. -5
          2 December 2013 09: 39
          Ask your wives if they know the exact time of their ovulation. Women, unlike all females of other species without exception, do not know the time of their ovulation! God hid it from them! What a woman wants, God just does not want!
      2. +18
        2 December 2013 08: 54
        Wealthy citizens are also not particularly fertile. The other day I was talking to one. At first, my wife and I developed a business, it was not up to the children, she had several abortions. Now she can’t get pregnant, as she learns that one of the acquaintances in a position begins a tantrum. You have to pay for everything.
        Strength, the core in many people have disappeared. They can not resist the difficulties. Of course, it is easier to have an abortion than to strain later. 240 million killed Russian unborn children, Hitler never dreamed of. The main enemies themselves. I don’t understand why the alarm is not heard from the Russian Orthodox Church, where is the weighty word of the shepherd?
        1. 0
          2 December 2013 10: 22
          And what's the point? Juvenile baits as having been in contact with 14 years and aborted, and continue this business. A shepherd, even with a tambourine around the dance, will not attract them.
          1. +9
            2 December 2013 10: 49
            And where do parents look at these blankets? Abortion should be prohibited except for medical evidence. Flew in, let him give birth. She will not bring up foster parents. An innocent child cannot be deprived of the right to life.
            1. +2
              2 December 2013 11: 56
              Parents are sometimes quite adequate people. You see, many parents do not even suspect that their "sweetheart daughter" already knows that and how, only she did not know that this could lead to children. Both the upbringing of these individuals and the educational side suffer. In schools, this topic is not discussed with children. At least as far as I know, but I know a lot in this regard.
              1. +2
                2 December 2013 21: 08
                At the last parental meeting, we were informed that the school is no longer involved in the education of students, and is not responsible for their behavior.
            2. +2
              2 December 2013 15: 06
              First of all, it is necessary to ban contraceptives advertising, as well as clean up the media broadcasts.

              This is a complex problem, and not only financially, legislatively, but first of all morally it is necessary to correct the situation. The basis of the problem is in the heads, internal moral standards.

              Remember the famous phrase - in the USSR there is no sex! Everyone was laughing ... But that was the birth rate.
              And now everyone knows about sex, they are engaged from a young age, but there is no birth ... Many probably remember how in high school they interpreted the charm of non-binding relationships, distributed contraceptives, and so on. etc....


              The desired children, the future oprah of parents, the homeland and the state are born of love and love. IMHO.
            3. Russlana
              +1
              2 December 2013 16: 19
              Are you kidding me? TV, radio, Internet, cheap little books - everything says that it is NECESSARY to fuck. From 10 years old. And the more partners, the better. The Church rejects the commandments as well, supposedly obscurantists. But then they start to cry, how so? How did my child grow so much?
        2. Russlana
          +1
          2 December 2013 16: 17
          The alarm rings. Who needs to hear. Church against abortion, did not hear? Only the Church still claims that abortion is murder. And only the Church says that the child is ALIVE from the moment of conception.
        3. +2
          2 December 2013 16: 32
          Quote: sergey32
          Wealthy citizens are also not particularly fertile. The other day I was talking to one. At first, my wife and I developed a business, it was not up to the children, she had several abortions. Now she can’t get pregnant, as she learns that one of the acquaintances in a position begins a tantrum. You have to pay for everything.
          Strength, the core in many people have disappeared. They can not resist the difficulties. Of course, it is easier to have an abortion than to strain later. 240 million killed Russian unborn children, Hitler never dreamed of. The main enemies themselves. I don’t understand why the alarm is not heard from the Russian Orthodox Church, where is the weighty word of the shepherd?

          There is only one reason - EGO to the highest degree. People have changed values ​​and goals. The white nation must leave, as it violated the Law of Nature. And for this punishment is the highest.
          1. +1
            2 December 2013 20: 12
            Quote: iConst
            The white nation must leave, as it violated the Law of Nature. And for this punishment is the highest.
            What are you, like Negro African American? And if not, then why is such gloating?
            1. +1
              2 December 2013 21: 56
              Quote: Nagan
              Are you like a black African American? And if not, then why is such gloating?

              Well, hello, my offended American guest.
              This topic shouldn’t even f ... you, sorry, concern ...
              Sit yourself in the states and sit what to meddle with.
              1. -1
                2 December 2013 22: 20
                Quote: iConst
                Quote: Nagan
                What are you, like Negro African American? And if not, then why is such gloating?

                Well, hello, my offended American guest.
                This topic shouldn’t even f ... you, sorry, concern ...
                Sit yourself in the states and sit what to meddle with.

                You may not believe me, but me "for power hurt"*. Although from a purely material point of view, as you correctly noted, I "this topic should not f ..., sorry, touch". But, believe me, not everything is measured in bucks.


                * © Luspekaev as Vereshchagin
                1. 0
                  2 December 2013 22: 43
                  Quote: Nagan
                  You may not believe me, but I am "sorry for the state" *. Although from a purely material point of view, as you rightly noted, "this topic should not e ..., sorry, concern me." But, believe me, not everything is measured in dollars.


                  * © Luspekaev as Vereshchagin

                  Uh, e ... for the power ... Let's better talk about the abstract - there are enough snot.

                  In what state are they warmed up?
        4. +1
          2 December 2013 22: 36
          Quote: sergey32
          I don’t understand why the alarm is not heard from the Russian Orthodox Church, where is the weighty word of the shepherd?

          And try to say a word to the Church, it will "fly in" a hundred in response. Even here on the site, as soon as an article appears about the church's view, a bunch of "critics" will immediately draw up with comments like: "What do the priests need here, sit in churches and preach there."
      3. Russlana
        0
        2 December 2013 16: 16
        Does television broadcast broadcasts from another planet? Who is planting this damn cult of consumption? Martians, apparently ...
        1. 0
          2 December 2013 21: 33
          Political Correspondent West, irresistibly striving for Muslim submission
    2. +9
      2 December 2013 09: 15
      Quote: Edward
      The people are barely making ends meet
      And in Afghanistan and India they live so richly ... Compare Moscow and the North Caucasus, and your ends will definitely not meet.
      1. +2
        2 December 2013 10: 23
        And in Afghanistan and India they live so richly ... Compare Moscow and the North Caucasus, and your ends will definitely not meet.

        5 points smile
      2. +4
        2 December 2013 14: 44
        We compared the ass to the finger. The level and way of life still compare, the quality of the same life. In Afghanistan, India, so many give birth so that at least one later helps in old age, taking into account mortality and so on. etc. In China, and in all Asian countries, this is exactly how they give birth so that at least someone will take care of them in old age, and they have a gulkin's nose. In the UK there is support for clans and families, if you do not "enter", ass to your family, aul the ultimate dream. Or a trip to us here, one hell of nothing to lose.

        By the way, China, in order to develop efficiently, and not spend all its energy on feeding biomass, legally limited the birth of children to a family, and only now this law was removed.

        And by the way - take an interest in what is the dependence of birth rates in families on income levels in India, Afghanistan, and so on. etc.

        PS It’s easy to get used to good things, but to refuse - to hell. Put you in conditions of India, North Caucasus, Afghanistan - looking at what you spawn there.
        1. Edward
          +2
          2 December 2013 22: 21
          You are completely right, I will just add a couple of strokes.
          About the birth rate in Afghanistan - I will not say. Just as no one will say this, for there is no information. I can only guess what is unsweetened there, since poppy fields, which used to be rice, wheat, carrot and all kinds of other food fields, will not soon return to natural crops.
          About India.
          There, a stick gives a crop twice a year), as in China.
          About Chechnya (or as the North Caucasus is customary to say) - I'm sorry, any region of the Russian Federation with such subsidies, no taxes, lowered loans will flourish. Plus also fraternity, etc. in the form of financial jihad - tax collection from everyone, and a simple gop-stop.
          .........................

          Children, who among you personally have many children, are there such?
          1. 0
            3 December 2013 05: 33
            two, is that a lot? laughing
      3. Russlana
        -1
        2 December 2013 16: 21
        Yes, just compare the percentage of believers here and there and in our country. That’s the whole story.
    3. +9
      2 December 2013 10: 11
      I know more than one rich family. They have a maximum of 2 children. More often 1. Ends with ends are of course important, but the root cause is more likely in the lifestyle of modern people, or rather in their desire to live carefree rather than in the financial component. Children fit into the concept of "carefree" with a creak.
      1. Airman
        +2
        2 December 2013 11: 35
        Quote: dejavu
        I know more than one rich family. They have a maximum of 2 children. More often 1. Ends with ends are of course important, but the root cause is more likely in the lifestyle of modern people, or rather in their desire to live carefree rather than in the financial component. Children fit into the concept of "carefree" with a creak.

        Not with a creak, but with a baby cry, even at night.
      2. Russlana
        -1
        2 December 2013 16: 21
        Fine, to the point.
      3. Yarosvet
        0
        2 December 2013 16: 35
        Quote: dejavu
        Children fit into the concept of "carefree" with a creak.

        Only if there is a lack of confidence in the future.
        1. +2
          2 December 2013 16: 52
          Nothing like this. My good friend is very confident in the future, getting about 150t.r. month, while working for show, only to not sit at home. One child she does not want to think more. To give birth?! Stretch marks, sleepless nights, genitalia tear / Caesar, do not go anywhere properly, again diapers, bottles, a mess .... well, what the hell ...

          And what does confidence in tomorrow have to do with it?
      4. 0
        2 December 2013 21: 18
        And where will the rich rebel children? Tomorrow they can either plant or God forbid bang, that’s not giving birth, not life, but sheer stress!
      5. Edward
        0
        2 December 2013 22: 01
        How many children do you have?
    4. Vovka levka
      +4
      2 December 2013 12: 00
      Quote: Edward
      The demographic crisis is easy to explain: there is no strength to feed the family.
      The people are barely making ends meet.
      That’s the whole truth.

      And who and when reckoned with people?
    5. Russlana
      -1
      2 December 2013 16: 15
      Absolutely right.
    6. +3
      2 December 2013 20: 44
      Quote: Edward
      The demographic crisis is easy to explain: there is no strength to feed the family.
      The people are barely making ends meet.
      That’s the whole truth.


      alcohol and drugs can be added to this. Look at the statistics of deaths between the ages of 14-29 and you will understand that it is youth who are specifically destroyed.
      1. Edward
        0
        2 December 2013 22: 40
        I am already at that age when, instead of statistics, you can look into your memory. You are terribly right.
  3. shpuntik
    +11
    2 December 2013 08: 09
    Thus, urbanization cannot be called the main cause of the extinction of the white race.

    Here you can get confused about the reasons. School mathematics: fewer than three children in a family - there is a decrease in the population.
    The truth, tested over centuries, the commandments of God: be fruitful and multiply.
    Who is a Christian? This is the warrior of Christ. Who is he fighting against?
    "Our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against the spirits of wickedness in heaven" (Eph. 6,12).

    Temptations come through people: traders in alcohol, drugs, women. A person should know from childhood what awaits him. In the Union, atheists, weaned us to think, to understand the nature of things, we forgot to understand the economy.
    Let me cite literature and poetry as an example: the "golden" (Pushkin) age, "silver", "bronze" (Soviet), "wooden" (post-Soviet). We can see on what soil what has grown.

    1. +2
      2 December 2013 20: 50
      Golden words. All that remains is to take off his hat to the priest hi
  4. +2
    2 December 2013 08: 10
    Russians simply do not see a decent future for their children.
    1. -3
      2 December 2013 09: 12
      Well why, there is one future. Almost from early childhood, my parents said to me "Study well, you will be an intelligent specialist. Learn languages ​​to easily communicate with foreigners. And at the slightest opportunity, dump abroad!" In Soviet times, no one thought about this.
      1. Kolovrat77
        +7
        2 December 2013 09: 38
        Quote: Greenwood
        And dump abroad at the slightest opportunity!


        Yes, good upbringing, Mr. Greenewood, but what about you on the next branch telling what kind of radish Vladimir Putin, with such upbringing, how can you believe? Or maybe you are running a dickhead? AND?
        1. +1
          2 December 2013 16: 57
          Quote: Kolovrat77
          good upbringing
          I can't complain about upbringing. Of course, I listened to my parents, but I also drew my own conclusions. Perhaps my idea was misunderstood, so I'll make a reservation: I have never agitated anyone to leave. I myself am NOT planning to go anywhere yet. I still love my hometown, where everything is so dear, familiar from childhood. Native hills, sea, Japanese cars, cruiser "Varyag" at the embankment.
          Quote: Kolovrat77
          Or maybe you are running a dickhead? AND?
          Be careful with expressions next time.
          1. Kolovrat77
            -1
            2 December 2013 17: 16
            The next time will not be because I have nothing to talk about with you. If I were describing my city, I would never have inserted into the descriptions how I love geliki and beshki, and this already says a lot. Good luck.
            1. 0
              9 December 2013 17: 06
              For Vladivostok, the auto industry is of much greater importance than for other cities. It is one of the pillars of the city's economy, and one of the associations that arise when the city is mentioned. You don't need to be so painful about it.
    2. +10
      2 December 2013 09: 49
      Quote: Neighbor
      Russians simply do not see a decent future for their children.
      And what do you think is a decent future? Chasing the dough? Rags for Ntsi thousand, so as not worse than others? My senior proudly puts on his uniform in the morning and goes to the academy, although our family is by no means rich.
      1. +6
        2 December 2013 11: 00
        I used to go to work with pride; I worked as a welder. And now there is nowhere to work, except for a bourgeois for a cheap price. And then you have to pay more for a welder in the Pension Fund, register as a mechanic. But for 6 thousand it is better as a watchman than in a specialty.
      2. +7
        2 December 2013 11: 07
        Quote: Mechanic
        Chasing the money? Clothes for twenty thousand, so as not worse than others?

        This is what the majority of young people think. In our zomboyaschiku other ideals are not shown. Our government would not hurt to learn from the Chinese, talk shows and many other things were banned there, and no one in the West squeals about violations of freedom of speech. Tales about the fact that Putin is alone, and he does not have time to do anything, have already gotten tired. No one to instruct? Nonsense, who from his entourage would risk not following a direct order? It's the same with abortion. This is all purposeful policy. am
        1. +1
          2 December 2013 21: 42
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          This is all purposeful policy



          This is a strange policy. As I do not look, so WHITE children are crossed out on all advertisements of "childfreeds".
        2. +1
          2 December 2013 21: 44
          Neither black nor yellow - is this a kind of tolerance?
      3. +4
        2 December 2013 11: 36
        I agree with the Mechanic, money is far from the main thing in life, although it is necessary.
        Something sad I forgot about the main thing, today my eldest daughter 18. It’s a pity I won’t see her today. In Moscow, he is studying computer security in Bauman. It is necessary to congratulate and toss money on the card. Although it came to the budget, but they didn’t give the hostel, we rent a room.
      4. +3
        2 December 2013 14: 46
        They have already raised a creative class, the main consumers of grub, clothes and loans, they have no other values, it becomes already scary, but if something happens?
      5. 0
        2 December 2013 16: 58
        Quote: Mechanic
        goes to the academy
        Now imagine that one day the academy will be closed by the decree of the next Taburetkin, as it has repeatedly happened in past years.
        1. 0
          2 December 2013 17: 01
          Quote: Greenwood
          Now imagine that one day the academy will be closed by the decree of the next Taburetkin, as it has repeatedly happened in past years.
          Well, imagine. + 1500 enemies will gain VVP.
    3. +4
      2 December 2013 10: 30
      And why not see? - now are the times of complete self-realization. A person can choose almost any profession and be wealthy. Until recently, I believed that a professional plumber is a bummer from the next doorway. But when he arrived at my house in the country in a BMW, the world was shaken in my eyes. However, the confusion was not long. Indeed, for my 80 squares, on which it was necessary to lay plastic pipes, he asked for 40.000 just for the work. I called a neighboring city, at least 60000. So there is no need to talk about an utterly dark future. Everything is fine with us, but you do not need to be an economist and a lawyer, but an engineer, a plumber or something else like that.
      1. +18
        2 December 2013 11: 02
        Stretch plastic pipes in your house in the village for a maximum day of work yourself. Do not mind the money? You do not know how to look in tyrnet. Previously, any man did home repairs with his own hands, his sons studied. And now what will the son’s father teach him to sit on the couch with beer?
        1. 0
          2 December 2013 12: 03
          Of course it's a pity! Yes, I would be glad to do everything myself, but it is not so easy to stretch out pipes from the folded stove with a boiler, install an expansion pipe on the roof, and even so that the system works as it should, without really having any tools or experience. But the point is different. The question is in the earnings of people who have devoted themselves to a seemingly low-prestige profession. This is all to the question of the hopeless future of our country. There are opportunities to make money in one word, there are children too.
          1. Yarosvet
            +2
            2 December 2013 16: 45
            Quote: dejavu
            There are opportunities to make money in one word

            Yeah - at the expense of others, and this is a pyramid, the foot of which will vegetate in poverty.
    4. 0
      2 December 2013 22: 12
      Quote: Neighbor
      Russians simply do not see a decent future for their children.

      Well, nifiga-se! So what? What thought is there, neighbor? Well then, maybe just a yadu - or is your gut thin? Why suffer something! laughing

      And what then is the meaning of being, Khvilosophist?
  5. +11
    2 December 2013 08: 11
    the topic without demagoguery is as clear as day, no work, no housing, people do not want to produce poverty.
    1. +2
      2 December 2013 12: 41
      I would say so - now you are losing too much by having a child. After all, this money and time can be spent on yourself.

      And in those countries where there is nothing to lose and the birth rate is appropriate. From the principle - why not.
    2. +1
      2 December 2013 22: 53
      Well, don't procreate. Uzbeks, Tajiks and others of the same kind will be "begetting poverty", and you will walk around the courtyards full of little Russians of "Central Asian style."
      1. 0
        3 December 2013 00: 53
        How many children do you personally have? We can't check it anyway.
  6. +14
    2 December 2013 08: 25
    nowhere to live ........ while living. you’ll earn an area, already health for conception is not enough (((
  7. +4
    2 December 2013 08: 35
    I agree with the authors above, it's scary to breed in modern Russia! Every sane person a thousand times should think about how to give life to a new person, a person who will be higher than his predecessors. It is scary to look at migrants who reproduce like cattle, each of their subsequent generations is not development, but degradation, but it is even more terrible to look at Russian families of alcoholics and drug addicts, procreate on the "fly" and, people, the duty of each family is not just to give birth to a child and give to educate schools, and educate him ourselves, make him a worthy member of society! In my opinion, the development of mankind is only evolution, so to speak, the desire for the stars, that is, the desire to escape from the cradle of the Earth, and the degradation of society is only the right to destroy this society!
    1. 0
      2 December 2013 09: 25
      Our ancestors before the revolution or during Stalin's time lived so calmly and peacefully, or were they not sane, multiplied "like cattle"? What nonsense!
    2. 0
      2 December 2013 11: 20
      What nonsense? Scary in modern Russia? I may not understand something, but why does my grandfather have 9 sisters and brothers? They lived in the village, went to school in turns - there were no shoes at all. Modern Russia is a completely normal place for the birth of children. It's just that the people live with stereotypes, and they are imposed on us, it seems to me, by force. Well, who has not heard the phrase: "produce poverty." And this is sometimes said by people who have enough income for 5 children. Yes, they will not have iPhones and not everyone will be able to enroll in ballroom dancing circles. But these will be Russian children who will love their country if they are raised as patriots. I do not understand what the groans about poor Russia are about. Sheer nonsense.
      1. +1
        2 December 2013 21: 26
        Obviously, this is written by the father of a large family. Or its theorist? Have you tried to live like this yourself?
        1. +2
          2 December 2013 22: 15
          Correctly he writes everything, I have a large father (four), consider subscribed to his words.
          1. 0
            2 December 2013 22: 35
            Quote: sergey32
            Correctly he writes everything, I have a large father (four), consider subscribed to his words.

            Taking off my hat!
    3. 0
      2 December 2013 16: 45
      Quote: Prapor Afonya
      I agree with the authors above, it's scary to multiply in modern Russia! Every sane person should think a thousand times how to give life to a new person,

      ABOUT! Favorite otmaza "thinkers"! What's so terrible? Nut-ka intelligibly answer, outline, so toss, the "nightmare" of new life: stock up on popcorn ...

      At the beginning of the twentieth century, five were normal in the family.

      These are very clever "thinkers" only and remained. laughing
      1. 225chay
        0
        3 December 2013 07: 00
        Quote: iConst
        At the beginning of the twentieth century, five were normal in the family.

        Before the revolution in Russian peasant families and 8-10 children were in the order of things
    4. Angry reader
      +1
      2 December 2013 18: 41
      Afonya, with this position, there will be more and more migrants. Nature abhors a vacuum.
  8. Eugeniy_369
    +7
    2 December 2013 08: 39
    When I saw the photo on the main page I thought at last that at least someone came down to the Russian village, read it ... crying .
    Generalized information about demography. I hope in subsequent articles the author will deal directly with Russian demography and the factors that influenced it. For general information +.
    1. +4
      2 December 2013 08: 46
      And we Germans also diminished (and not only because of the departure) Previously, the German family had 8-12 children Schia 1-2
  9. +14
    2 December 2013 08: 41
    The biggest misfortune of the inhabitants of Russia is the Russians, or, as in my case, the Germans of Russia and the Ukrainians of the Belarusians, the Latvians of the Kazakhs, etc., in hostility towards each other, not on a national basis, but just like that, we are angry at each other, people have no good in their eyes and actions Only a person got power so the first agenda is something spiz = t And set up your work on the channel of helping people (yes, well, not according to concepts) This is where the trouble of demography is that some do not give birth to steal, first, others do not give birth to hell from whom you will wait for help shed, as in the photo, you do not give birth to much And if you want to build a house, then you will get bogged down in a bureaucratic routine that not only give birth, but you don’t want to live.
  10. dmn2
    +5
    2 December 2013 08: 47
    The demographic situation is bad, because For more than 20 years, genocide has been waged against our people in various forms (alcohol and tobacco, GMO + vaccinations and other drugs that do not cure, but cripple, as well as economic genocide - when demographically determined needs are satisfied according to the residual principle, but all kinds of rubbish described above - within walking distance - just reach out). There is nothing to say about life in cities, and especially in megacities - there people wither and mutate, in a bad sense of the word. Well, doctors and pharmaceutical companies do business on the unfortunate.
    1. +8
      2 December 2013 09: 10
      We ourselves are genocidal to abstain at not John or Hans came to us to do badly at our home-grown bastard bureaucrats Will do everything so as not to do anything
  11. dmn2
    0
    2 December 2013 08: 47
    The demographic situation is bad, because For more than 20 years, genocide has been waged against our people in various forms (alcohol and tobacco, GMO + vaccinations and other drugs that do not cure, but cripple, as well as economic genocide - when demographically determined needs are satisfied according to the residual principle, but all kinds of rubbish described above - within walking distance - just reach out). There is nothing to say about life in cities, and especially in megacities - there people wither and mutate, in a bad sense of the word. Well, doctors and pharmaceutical companies do business on the unfortunate.
  12. +3
    2 December 2013 08: 53
    the village is a delicate matter !!! so that the guys do not get drunk, they need to be dealt with! they must have a dream! and for this the state could, at least build normal houses for them, with all the conveniences and give all our breadwinners a jeep - free of charge (having previously confiscated cars from the dumb city * elite * ...
    1. +5
      2 December 2013 10: 15
      Yes, half of the rural population will release all these gifts in a week immediately. The house and the jeep need to be monitored and this requires hands and money, and if the consciousness of an alcoholic, and even there is no work ... A competent policy for the development of regions is necessary.
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  13. 0
    2 December 2013 08: 53
    the village is a delicate matter !!! so that the guys do not get drunk, they need to be dealt with! they must have a dream! and for this the state could, at least build normal houses for them, with all the conveniences and give all our breadwinners a jeep - free of charge (having previously confiscated cars from the dumb city * elite * ...
    1. Eugeniy_369
      +5
      2 December 2013 09: 23
      Quote: Sanyht
      give all our breadwinners a jeep - free of charge (having previously confiscated the cars from the dumb city * elite * ...

      Eco you hawati ... but how will you get a not a foolish city dweller? "Take away and divide" is an insidious slogan. Moreover, those who survived in the village and live (from the able-bodied population), if not "jeeps", but "parquet flooring, our cars" are quite good.
      1. Eugeniy_369
        +1
        2 December 2013 09: 44
        Quote: Eugeniy_369
        hawati ...

        Sorry for the mistake feel .
        .. grabbed .... wink
      2. +5
        2 December 2013 10: 31
        Quote: Eugeniy_369
        "Take away and divide"

        This has already passed. For the future did not go. But it is necessary to interest the peasant. To tame world-eating bankers, and to reduce the rate (%) on loans to peasant farms, preferential taxation, or even exemption from them. Let the peasant enter the market, because now the agricultural producer is forced to hand over his goods to dealers at a ridiculous price, they will not let him into the market, the same people sit there, so to speak, who will lay down their bones, but they will not let anyone go to the trading place, charging prices 100-200%. They call it business, although there is a more precise wording-speculation. State subsidies for fuels and lubricants and agricultural machinery. Help the peasant a little and he will feed the whole country. Do not want to help, so at least do not bother, let him survive on his own. Well, something like this.
        1. Eugeniy_369
          +3
          2 December 2013 11: 27
          Quote: novobranets
          Let the peasant enter the market, because now the agricultural producer is forced to hand over his goods to dealers at a ridiculous price, they will not let him into the market, the same people sit there, so to speak, who will lay down their bones, but they will not let anyone go to the trading place, charging prices 100-200%. They call it business, although there is a more precise wording-speculation. State subsidies for fuels and lubricants and agricultural machinery. Help the peasant a little and he will feed the whole country. Do not want to help, so at least do not bother, let him survive on his own. Well, something like this.

          I agree with you. But that's just .... now the number of medium and small entrepreneurs, farms, peasant farms working on the land is very sharply reduced. There is a displacement of small ones. I think a lot of capital, the oligarchy realized that the land can bring profit, especially since all the sources of natural resources are divided and if somewhere you can snatch a "little bit of talk" then you can get it on snot.
          1. +3
            2 December 2013 12: 40
            Quote: Eugeniy_369
            But just .... now the number of medium and small entrepreneurs, farmers, and peasant farms working on the land is very sharply reduced.

            Unfortunately this is the case. Moreover, the crowding out of some farmers from the land is a complete crime. Threats, blackmail, arson and violence.
            1. Eugeniy_369
              +3
              2 December 2013 15: 39
              Quote: novobranets
              Unfortunately this is the case. Moreover, the crowding out of some farmers from the land is a complete crime. Threats, blackmail, arson and violence.

              I know not by hearsay, it doesn’t seem like a serious one, but
              Threats, blackmail
              is in "full volume" ... am
              1. Walker1975
                +1
                2 December 2013 19: 26
                And where are law enforcement agencies looking? Don’t poke a problem - long ears of corruption peep
        2. 0
          2 December 2013 21: 29
          Your words, yes to God in the ears.
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  15. sashka
    +1
    2 December 2013 08: 54
    When at the main cemetery Countries organize shows and fairs and skating rinks with suitcases .. What is it all about?
    It’s strange. Why two comments? One spare?
  16. +3
    2 December 2013 08: 54
    So we have long sold all of Russia to the West.
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  18. +2
    2 December 2013 09: 03
    It is proved that the townspeople prefer to have no more than 1-2 children, that is, the urban population does not reproduce itself.
    This, to put it mildly, is not true. You can compare the birth rate statistics in a Russian or English village and in the city of Grozny or, say, in the Indian city of Delhi. Where the sexual revolution takes place, the birth rate plummets both in the city and in the countryside. In the city, the destruction of traditional norms occurs a little faster due to anonymity (people often do not know each other). Here we can distinguish two factors that lower the birth rate in comparison with traditional society: 1) freedom of sexual relations, which leads to family instability and 2) equality of partners (destruction of patriarchal relations in which the male dominates), leading to a decrease in sexual desire. Free sexual intercourse entails fear of being left without the support of a spouse with several children, contraception and abortion. The dominance-submission relationship is a condition of sexual attraction even in animals; in humans, this is noted not only by sex therapists, but also by sociologists who compare groups with traditional and "feminized" relationships between a man and a woman. Patriarchal norms reinforce a man's confidence and prevent the emergence of a power struggle in a couple, and their destruction contributes to the development of impotence, family breakdown and the emergence of LGBT communities.
  19. +6
    2 December 2013 09: 05
    As long as we say "we want to live for ourselves," we will die out. While in the villages it will be unprofitable to keep your cow, pig, chickens, because it is stupidly expensive today, we will die out. And most importantly, as long as our society remains a consumer society and "you deserve it" - we will die out. It is necessary to change consciousness, society and economy. This solution should be comprehensive, and not so that they gave 300t.r. for the second and goodbye. Like they took care of demographics. Neither put in your pocket, nor lived. conditions to improve and grow it as you want in our not cheap times.
    1. Fin
      +6
      2 December 2013 10: 32
      Quote: dejavu
      This solution should be comprehensive, and not so that they gave 300t.r. for the second and goodbye. Type took care of demography. Neither put in his pocket, nor lived. conditions to improve and grow it as you want in our not cheap times.

      I agree with you. I know how to grow 3, without any help. In addition to 300 tr need to run a housing program 4 children-4 com. sq., 5-5 com. sq .... + hedgehog. allowance of at least 5 tr for each. Upon request, relocation to the village with interest-free payment. home loans.
  20. +6
    2 December 2013 09: 07
    Reproduction is a fundamental function of man; he does not need to be helped in this, it’s enough just not to interfere or destroy the conditions for this. Given a well-organized life and confidence in the future, demography will naturally improve. But instead of social events, it’s easier to simply replace your people (workforce) with others, moreover, cheaper ones.
  21. cat 1970
    +5
    2 December 2013 09: 15
    + I am not a Nazi. but remember or watch Riefenstahl’s films, the Germans are a great nation, every child is a hero, and now we have ******, they mostly give birth to homeless people because of the allowance, we need a national idea, for example, roads, though not 6 million US dollars, where 80% kickbacks, and maybe it is necessary as in Germany about tickets on the bus ?????
    1. +6
      2 December 2013 12: 53
      Quote: cat 1970
      + I am not a Nazi. but remember or watch Riefenstahl’s films, the Germans are a great nation, every child is a hero,

      In order for the white race to start regaining its strength again, men must start earning so much that their women can afford to sit at home, give birth to children and raise older ones. It was like that before: white colonizers robbed colonies, and their wives sat at home and raised children at the expense of loot (I exaggerate, but I hope the idea is clear). Then came the capitalist, who is always not enough, and in order to increase the consumption of women, they were equal in rights with men and sent to work. A woman earned money and spent it. The capitalist is satisfied. There are no children to give birth and bring up, white the nation is dying. We just had to do the same, there was a big war on the nose, hands were sorely lacking. But! We had what the capitalist did not have — faith in the future, the hope that the children would live better than their parents. It’s thanks Our faith grew in numbers. Yes, and life got really better, and quite quickly. Great sacrifices began to bear fruit. These fruits were even managed to take advantage of the generation nia, which at one time sacrificed themselves for the future. It seemed that life was getting better ... and then the capitalist came. Kirdyk. The family needed to send their mother to work, and all those who could. To survive, there was no one to bring up children Families with many families are either homeless or very wealthy, where the father provides a decent life, and the mother runs a house and raises children. So everything is just a return to the Soviet model with that protection of motherhood, or the income of a working husband should allow the family to live with dignity, to free a woman from work (by the way, in the Reich they understood this). And since none of these options is acceptable for our authorities, the indigenous population will die out and the authorities will hypocritically moan about the damned demographic crisis. And let migrants who have enough earnings for their wives to sit at home and give birth and raise their children.
  22. Maximus-xnumx
    +1
    2 December 2013 09: 16
    The main question of our time is not how the crisis arose, the main question is how to overcome it.
    1. +1
      2 December 2013 15: 06
      Quote: Maximus-22
      The main question of our time is not how the crisis arose, the main question is how to overcome it.

      It’s like a cure for the symptoms, but not a cure for the disease.
  23. -2
    2 December 2013 09: 20
    An increase in the nation’s identity and a decrease in fertility form an interchangeable pair. Therefore, in order to increase one, it is necessary to reduce another or to take the third path - to call for migrants (thereby lowering the level of education and diluting national self-awareness)!
    1. +2
      2 December 2013 13: 41
      I didn’t know that the “highest” self-awareness is among glamorous idiots with a fashion for childfree (childlessness) and homosexuals
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  25. schta
    +1
    2 December 2013 09: 22
    Turn off the Internet all over the country and fertility will skyrocket
    1. +1
      2 December 2013 10: 40
      An abortion number will skyrocket and condom sales ...
      1. 0
        2 December 2013 16: 01
        Bullshit. Close the pick-up facilities, and unload the condoms with a pitchfork. laughing
        1. +2
          2 December 2013 16: 06
          Quote: novobranets
          . Closing houses close

          It is high time. We have one woman’s health center located 50 meters from the school. And all the children know that there is an abortion. am
        2. kaktus
          +2
          2 December 2013 17: 26
          there will be criminal abortions negative
          1. 0
            2 December 2013 18: 05
            Quote: kaktus
            there will be criminal abortions

            Equate a criminal abortion to a murder, and I'll see how many will be willing to sit. And there is a group of people, plus a preliminary conspiracy. Ten pulls. hi
    2. +3
      2 December 2013 10: 40
      Quote: schta
      Turn off internet all over the country

      And the light. laughing
      1. +1
        2 December 2013 20: 52
        Quote: novobranets
        And the light.


        Blame Lenin with his GOELRO program)) laughing
  26. kopcan
    +2
    2 December 2013 09: 23
    Novoselov in his book on the main roots of the demographic problem very intelligently laid out everything on the shelves, in Western society, matriarchy was essentially established, this leads to a low number of passionaries in the white race, and of course the state adds fuel to the fire, because it was always beneficial for him to have a large labor mass with low potential energy, which would ensure its non-exchangeability and the possibility of unlimited parasitism. And as for Asians and other fast-breeding races, you are wrong, over time, always the quantity goes into quality
  27. +10
    2 December 2013 09: 23
    The country is worthless living conditions. This is the main cause of demographic problems in the country.
    The problem of housing alone is worth it. A young family will either need to toil in rented apartments and dormitories, or to get into bondage called "mortgages". The spending on children is astronomical. Baby food, clothes, diapers are expensive. Sending a child to kindergarten is a whole problem. Excessive extortions in schools too. And so in everything. I am already silent about utility rates, rising prices and so on. People do not have a sense of security, a sense of confidence for tomorrow. We live every day as if on a powder keg. On TV, we are shown chic stars who are disgusting with their lifestyle and stupid outhouse shows like House-2 and other Comedy Clubs. All this is diluted with news about another high-profile murder, a terrorist attack, a stolen official who is given a suspended sentence, another cut of budget money, etc. etc. Tons of negativity are poured onto us every day from all sides and from all holes. What incentive should one have in such conditions to give birth to children ?!
    1. kopcan
      +3
      2 December 2013 09: 31
      The incentive is the preservation of their civilization, in Russia it has always been difficult, but families of 5 children were at a minimum, the main thing is desire, there are opportunities.
  28. Maximus-xnumx
    +3
    2 December 2013 09: 25
    Quote: Maximus-22
    The main question of our time is not how the crisis arose, the main question is how to overcome it.

    I personally know only one way laughing . Well, even cloning.
  29. yuri p
    +5
    2 December 2013 09: 28
    "What is the reason for such a deplorable demographic state of the Russian people?" ,,,, the only reason is the anti-people policy of the government, which works for large monopolies and oligarchs, and all laws are adopted only for their prosperity and, accordingly, against the people, take at least the tariffs of natural monopolies, only this year, Putin limited the growth of tariffs within inflation, and before that inflation was happening 7-8% and tariffs were growing by 15-20%, this clearly shows how the government works to impoverish the people, motorists should know how the government helps insurance companies and so in every area of ​​our life.
    1. +5
      2 December 2013 15: 13
      Well, inflation, strife, inflation .. The eggs went up 2 times, or Milk, and they all have 6-7%. Over the new year, electricity consumption standards will be introduced. But who thought that with a small child, the washing machine almost never turns off? Where is the manger? Why the cost of gardens they want up to 7 thousand rubles raise? For some reason, what used to be done for free - music classes and stuff, now already stands on 500p. per month per referral? And the quality has never risen, compared with free classes?
  30. -5
    2 December 2013 09: 29
    Yes, turn off the light in the region for three days, I bet you will have a baby boom, there will be no distractions in the form of TV shows, social networks and network games :-)
    1. +4
      2 December 2013 09: 53
      Then it’s better to turn off the lights in Moscow, and also gas and water, so let’s look at the innovation. The experiments are performed on individual individuals, and not on the bulk.
    2. +1
      2 December 2013 17: 03
      There, in the 90s, every day without light, water and heating sat for several hours. Something I do not recall the birth rate boom in those years.
  31. +4
    2 December 2013 09: 29
    There are two reasons:
    1) Market reforms that led to the collapse of the economy.
    2) The introduction of bourgeois-liberal values, values ​​of "consumption at any cost"
  32. +6
    2 December 2013 09: 50
    Firstly. the title of the article does not match the content. The article is about the peoples of the country, and not about the Russian people. (It is known that the population growth of the USSR was due to the peoples of the Central Asian republics)
    Secondly, no one has studied the demography of individual nations, and the conclusion about Russians is at the level of assumptions.
    Thirdly, do not look for one reason. A set of reasons affects demography. From religion and traditions to social order and level of culture.
    As for modern Russia, it would be strange to expect positive trends in the field of demography amid a deep decline in all areas. If we count how many people die at the hands of bandits, go missing, die from injuries at work and in car accidents, we will see that annual irrecoverable losses are comparable to losses in the Second World War during inactive military operations or throughout the Finnish war.
    1. +4
      2 December 2013 10: 15
      Quote: Stinger
      it is known that the population growth of the USSR was due to the peoples of the Central Asian republics
      Who told you so? My grandfather, a Kuban Cossack, had 10 children before the war, after the war only my mother, the youngest of all, survived. There is no need for such generalizations. Your statement is stretched to apply only to the later period of the USSR.
    2. +3
      2 December 2013 10: 18
      Quote: Stinger
      The article is about the peoples of the country, and not about the Russian people. (It is known that the population growth of the USSR was due to the peoples of the Central Asian republics)

      This is not true. The population growth in the RSFSR:
      1980 - 677 thousand people.
      1987-968 thousand people.
      But already in 1993, the population of the Russian Federation decreased by 750 thousand people.
      Comments are unnecessary .....
      1. +1
        2 December 2013 12: 58
        What are these numbers, where did you get them, what are such 968 thousand people ??? In Moscow alone (and this was the capital of the RSFSR) in 1989 there were 8 967 232 people.

        The natural population growth (on 1000 people) in Moscow is 1,7, well, then in 1990 the growth is negative -2,3.
        1. +1
          2 December 2013 19: 45
          Quote: nik6006
          What are these numbers, where did you get them, what are 968 thousand people ??? In Moscow alone (and this was the capital of the RSFSR) in 1989 there were 8 people

          belay I mean what kind of numbers? I wrote, the growth of the population of the RSFSR (birth-death balance). And where does Moscow?
          Source-Goskomstat of the USSR "Demographic Yearbook of the USSR" 1990
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  34. ReifA
    +9
    2 December 2013 09: 52
    Consumer society, war, the collapse of the institution of the family, general dance. I read somewhere, the Germans examined Russian girls in the occupied territories, from 16 to 20, almost all unmarried women were virgins. I don’t know if it’s true, but in our time it’s better not to check - it will be calmer.
  35. calocha
    +4
    2 December 2013 10: 12
    Work is carried out against us comprehensively. Everything is at a high level. He talked with a person so the doctor said that the drugs that are sold have become diverse and the heaps of new unknowns affecting male testes ... The scale is huge, but around .. silent. Prostitution is one of the problems . In the salons and brothels, the Russian seed + pornography disappears, which confuses the mind of the already stupid youth ..
    Everything lies in the SOCIAL SPHERE !!! From the Socialist Highway turned onto .. a gravel path. To stimulate the birth rate even more intensively, apartments for 4-5 children, bank loans at a low interest rate with repayment of the rate with the birth of a new baby + benefits (kindergarten, school , travel, institute) Prohibit the killing of children through abortion. Pay close attention to the Kindergartens to the State !!! Crimes in orphanages (committed by the leadership) are punished in the strictest way. CHILDREN OUR FUTURE!
    1. +3
      2 December 2013 15: 18
      Quote: calocha
      To stimulate the birth rate of an even more intensive apartment for an 4-5 child, bank loans at a low interest rate with repayment of a new birth rate


      In private and semi state. banks in the board are the children of our managers. What are preferential loans? Not for that dad the minister licked his ass all his life so that he could deprive the children now. No, these, calling the loan preferential, three skins will be torn off.
    2. 0
      3 December 2013 22: 40
      Prostitution is one of the problems.
      The other is dirt on the street, especially during the election. Putting them in robes, a shovel, a broom, and bags in hands, can the prestige of labor and fall in the eyes of young girls.
  36. CreepyUknow
    -5
    2 December 2013 10: 23
    I disagree. It is the February revolution and the beginning of the rule of the country by the Bolsheviks that must be blamed for the demographic crisis of our country. The Bolsheviks, in order to gain support from the masses, legalized whatever they liked. The flourishing of prostitution, drug addiction, alcoholism. The destruction of the institution of the family through free divorce, civil cohabitation and legal abortion. Plus the destruction of the Church as something that warned against all of the above, and the rejection of the people from the religious sphere. I agree that the situation has become "better" over time. But, you must agree; what can make a person have many children, if not the correct worldview ?? Nothing. Therefore, the people, who were once taken away from the Church and God, are now joining forces, dwindling in numbers and spending their lives in often meaningless jobs / deeds, just wasting their time of existence. Even though the Churches were allowed to act. This does not change the essence; people have lived according to their own laws since the 20s and still live. It is for this terrible experiment on the people of Lenin and Co. that I hate him and his associates, and I also have a cool attitude towards communism in general. Please do not minus. Just a cry from the heart.
  37. Kostjan
    +2
    2 December 2013 10: 27
    Do not whine. Everything is bad for you. And what did you do to make it better? Are you damn slaves or serfs? I have two children, although we don’t have any maternal capital there and I bring up nothing, not dodiks and whiners, but normal people who know who they are and who their ancestors are.
  38. +9
    2 December 2013 10: 28
    I was born 12 years after the Victory. The country has just moved away from the destructive war. But life was constantly improving, people believed in the future, theirs and their children. In our rural school, in my class there were 42 people !!!!! Now in the same school in classes of 3-5 students. People, apparently, no longer believe in a brighter future. For industry and agriculture are so degraded ..... and education too, is a continuous exam.
  39. +2
    2 December 2013 10: 33
    Now who is getting richer?, Not the one who produces or sells products in the same stores, for example, but the one who resells goods from the same manufacturers to the same stores ..., this is such a "bazaar" economy ...
  40. Christian
    0
    2 December 2013 10: 40
    The reason for the extinction of the Russian people is the rejection of Orthodoxy, as the basis and foundation of the moral and moral well-being of the nation. And the replacement of these Christian values ​​with a thirst for profit, pleasure with all that it implies ...
    1. +3
      2 December 2013 11: 01
      Quote: Christian
      The reason for the extinction of the Russian people is the rejection of Orthodoxy, as the basis and foundation of the moral and moral well-being of the nation. And the replacement of these Christian values ​​with a thirst for profit, pleasure with all that it implies ...
      Do not measure everything on the church. Everyone has their own God, but the children go from the mother. The stronger the family (no matter whether they believe it or not), the more important the child becomes. And they give birth not according to the command of God, but according to the order of nature (drunks are not charitable, give birth to many foundlings and street children). And how could God allow them that? Yes, just how could God allow them to sleep and then make offspring (not to be called otherwise).
      1. Christian
        0
        2 December 2013 12: 27
        Here I am about the same. You are a Russian person, and you do not know the foundations of the faith of your People. Refusal from the roots, the death of the people ...
        1. +3
          2 December 2013 15: 11
          Quote: Christian
          Here I am about the same. You are a Russian person, and you do not know the foundations of the faith of your People. Refusal from the roots, the death of the people ...
          Here I am about the same. I am 40 and I do not believe in anything other than my conscience. And you can bow to Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, only it will not unite anyone, but just the opposite. There is a conscience, this is the only god you should believe in, but everything else is a place to hang out to understand what you did against her.
    2. -1
      2 December 2013 20: 45
      Not in Orthodoxy, it’s just in the Second World War that the best died. The grandchildren of the heroes have already grown up with different views: on life, on patriotism, on spiritual values. (as an example, E. Gaidar, B. Yeltsin and others)
  41. -1
    2 December 2013 10: 45
    Society aimed at satisfying the needs of the individual and maximum efficiency is already doomed to small families. Children are a serious burden on the family in all respects - career, hobby, etc. suffers.
    In addition, the process of urbanization and the destruction of the patriarchal system, in which the offspring supported old age and strengthened the situation in society, is going on in parallel. This has much in common with the first point.
    Plus, all this is superimposed in general, which is not a very good financial situation for the majority of citizens and uncertainty about the future.
  42. istemis
    +7
    2 December 2013 10: 53
    If you do not go back to history, then I, as a young guy, 24 years old, can say the following:
    I have a higher engineering education, which I received in our provincial town in the state branch. University, which is located not in Moscow, but in our regional center. An excavator driver who studied at the Professional Lyceum opposite our institute receives 2 times more. I am married, we will soon have a child, and I am not going to have a second and subsequent child for any money, so that I can hang out in all the rented apartments. Mortgage - robbery, education - just to have a diploma, work: Ivanov works as a director of a metallurgical plant, gets 100 thousand rubles, Petrov works as a foundry worker in this metallurgical plant, gets 15 thousand rubles, on average they both get 57,5 thousand . rubles.
    Yes, maybe I’m arguing somehow superficially, not in-depth, but the bottom line is that in addition to Moscow and regional centers there are small cities, they also have young families, and they look for decent work where it does not exist, and then their children will try to get an education in their provincial town, which will not be appreciated anywhere.
    Who ultimately wants in our time to have many children? Maximum of two. And if you give birth to two children each, this is not enough for demography in Russia to go uphill. Well then, at least you have to try to die less often in our country.
    1. +3
      2 December 2013 11: 06
      I am also an engineer. At our factory, the turner gets more than me. And this is correct. The foundation of our country is in the hands of workers, and not in effective managers. I also live not in the capital. Koda began to work in the USSR, then in 18 years (just half a year before the army) as a young specialist he got more than an 5 discharge lathe for mastering CNC. So do not envy people who build houses with their own hands, make cars, unlike paperworms.
      1. +3
        2 December 2013 11: 18
        This is wrong, the foundation of the industry is competent engineers, and you can teach a worker in 6 months. The engineer has been trained for life.
        And specifically - if the engineer does not explain to the worker what to do (and often how, at new facilities), the worker becomes an idler.
        1. +4
          2 December 2013 11: 28
          A good worker himself must understand the drawings. Within his specialty, at least, there is.
          1. +3
            2 December 2013 11: 39
            When a worker begins to read drawings at the engineer level, he becomes an engineer)
            1. 0
              2 December 2013 15: 19
              Quote: Forest
              it’s wrong, the foundation of the industry is competent engineers, and you can teach a worker in 6 months. The engineer has been trained all his life.
              And specifically - if the engineer does not explain to the worker what to do (and often how, at new facilities), the worker becomes an idler.

              Quote: Neighbor
              A good worker himself must understand the drawings. Within his specialty, at least, there is.
              So I look at all the statements and think. A blueprint worker can make a part intuitively. But the engineer drew and where then? It is not for nothing that the people have a proverb "Pindet, do not smear the wheels." Think scribblers like me. If there are no people who embody our ideas in metal (and other materials), why do we need all this paper? I have learned this, and therefore I do not strive to climb and twist the nuts together with the workers.
              1. 0
                3 December 2013 08: 04
                Our specificity is different, if the worker connects everything "intuitively" all work can go at a loss).
        2. 225chay
          +5
          2 December 2013 11: 34
          Quote: Forest
          This is wrong, the foundation of the industry is competent engineers, and you can teach a worker in 6 months. The engineer has been trained for life.
          And specifically - if the engineer does not explain to the worker what to do (and often how, at new facilities), the worker becomes an idler.


          Both ENGINEERS and QUALIFIED WORKERS must receive decent salaries no less than the same specialists in the USA or Germany.
          And we have traders in honor, and other effective managers - (furniture makers ...)
          1. +2
            2 December 2013 11: 47
            They currently not only do not receive a decent salary, but in general often do not find work.
      2. +1
        2 December 2013 12: 31
        And what did all this lead to? To the decline in the prestige of the profession, with a consequent shortage of personnel! The growth of jokes about unhappy poor poor engineers! We have all gone through this in due time!
        I completely agree with istemis When you rent a room, you get a worthless salary that allows you to barely barely make ends meet, you won’t think about demography in the country. And it’s not that the boss gets more, but that the workers are few. This is our misfortune, our poverty! You can, of course, like Asians, give birth to a dozen and do not worry how they will exist later, how much they die from hunger and disease, in what crowding and dirt they will have to live, whether they will receive an education.
        But we are mostly not like that, our children are dear to us, their future is not indifferent to us, and we wish them a happy life.
  43. +3
    2 December 2013 11: 01
    Immediately apologize for the many letters. I want to give an example here:

    Let's just say, one distantly familiar person of 30 years (wow, such a person, I’ll tell you, and is not deprived of the mind). And he lives with "a representative of those regions from which migrants and market traders". Nationality is difficult to determine, she says that he is Armenian, but this is complete nonsense. In principle, it doesn't matter. So, this representative of the human race is dumb as a cork, constantly nasvay in the mouth, eyes like a smoky one (although he is 40 years old), it stinks. Cretinism and idiocy that pours out of his mouth, when speaking, defies description. He does not know how to do anything, he is nimble about something with the same as himself. But there is money.
    I ask her - and what for you such a miracle (she wants a child from him).
    The answer is he, these are only virtues.
    I ask - which ones?
    Answer - He doesn't drink. I tell her, so he eats "tons". Intelligence is zero, what kind of children will it turn out?
    The answer is that he is in every way better than RUSSIAN men. I tell her, yes it’s a fairy tale about our polls.
    The answer is no, they say, she has all her friends, and girlfriends have friends, men drink. I tell her, drinking and alcoholism are two different things. She rested her horn.
    He says he gives me presents. To the question, which ones?
    The answer is here is a Sony X smartphone of some kind, they say, dear. And then it turned out that she took a loan, and with that money he bought her a smartphone.
    After that, the conversation ended. And I finish my story the same, so as not to load.
    The only question is how to raise demography with such persons?
    1. +2
      2 December 2013 12: 57
      Raise the demographics with others, such as you. If everything is as described, I doubt that this inkwell is not deprived of the mind.
  44. +3
    2 December 2013 11: 07
    There was such a gardener practitioner Nikolai Goshe, and so he found that: "trees that are good (in abundance of nutrients and solar energy) do not give offspring, they just fatten, and trees that are going to die in an emergency throw away a lot of fruits trying to prolong themselves in offspring" ...
    Strange, but so similar to our life).
    1. 0
      2 December 2013 21: 46
      Only on an emergency basis do they throw out the fruits for the last time, and a wild game grows from the root.
      1. 0
        3 December 2013 07: 52
        Gaucher disagrees with you). This theory was one of the secrets of his success.
  45. +2
    2 December 2013 11: 07
    There was such a gardener practitioner Nikolai Goshe, and so he found that: "trees that are good (in abundance of nutrients and solar energy) do not give offspring, they just fatten, and trees that are going to die in an emergency throw away a lot of fruits trying to prolong themselves in offspring" ...
    Strange, but so similar to our life).
  46. wanderer_032
    +1
    2 December 2013 11: 27
    I think the reason for the decline in fertility is the natural processes taking place in the world.
    We live in the heyday of technocivilization, before the natural criterion for survival was high fertility in the territories occupied by different nations and peoples (tribes), this was due to the following factors:
    1. The need to defend their territories (to make up for military losses)
    2.Production of everything necessary for life (the use of a large amount of manual labor in all sectors and spheres of human activity)
    Nowadays, technology has replaced manual labor in many spheres of life.
    Consequently, the need for a large population to support life has disappeared.
    This mainly applies to technologically advanced countries.
    Russia in this regard is currently in an intermediate position, that is, we are standing between technologically developed countries and third world countries.
    Every year in our country there is an increasing mechanization and automation of production processes in all spheres of our life, including in agriculture. Outdated equipment is replaced by newer productive equipment, which leads to a reduction in jobs for people who find themselves on the street without work. ...
    There is also such a factor as low wages for employees, this reverse side of the coin arose as a result of unfair competition in the labor market, organized by “our” “businessmen” and the corrupt government, the massive import of illegal migrants (slaves).
    By this I want to say that the intermediate niche between technologically advanced production and outdated technologies should have been occupied by the local population, which would have given people the opportunity to live normally and plan their lives in accordance with reality (a necessary respite for retraining for another profession, family planning, etc.). ).
    Somehow I see this picture for today.
  47. wanderer_032
    +1
    2 December 2013 11: 27
    I think the reason for the decline in fertility is the natural processes taking place in the world.
    We live in the heyday of technocivilization, before the natural criterion for survival was high fertility in the territories occupied by different nations and peoples (tribes), this was due to the following factors:
    1. The need to defend their territories (to make up for military losses)
    2.Production of everything necessary for life (the use of a large amount of manual labor in all sectors and spheres of human activity)
    Nowadays, technology has replaced manual labor in many spheres of life.
    Consequently, the need for a large population to support life has disappeared.
    This mainly applies to technologically advanced countries.
    Russia in this regard is currently in an intermediate position, that is, we are standing between technologically developed countries and third world countries.
    Every year in our country there is an increasing mechanization and automation of production processes in all spheres of our life, including in agriculture. Outdated equipment is replaced by newer productive equipment, which leads to a reduction in jobs for people who find themselves on the street without work. ...
    There is also such a factor as low wages for employees, this reverse side of the coin arose as a result of unfair competition in the labor market, organized by “our” “businessmen” and the corrupt government, the massive import of illegal migrants (slaves).
    By this I want to say that the intermediate niche between technologically advanced production and outdated technologies should have been occupied by the local population, which would have given people the opportunity to live normally and plan their lives in accordance with reality (a necessary respite for retraining for another profession, family planning, etc.). ).
    Somehow I see this picture for today.
  48. buser
    +7
    2 December 2013 11: 31
    my personal opinion about the "crisis of the white race" is the following: -the author is looking for a problem in the wrong place, it's not in the white race, by the way, the author mentions that in Japan there is a problem with fertility (and there seem to be Asians living there). The reason is simple in my opinion. The point is in the gender sphere of human development. Women give birth to children !!! And women decide to give birth or not to give birth too !!! And they are brought up by women !!! The man basically plays the role of the father-breadwinner of the family or just the father-producer. But in a civilization where a woman is first of all not a mother, but the same "man" or even worse, where a man is not a man, but some incomprehensible "sexless creature" equal to women, demographic problems begin there ... By the way, we have in Kazakhstan, Russian families are not inferior in fertility to Kazakhs, in the village, in the city ... The mentality, however
  49. -1
    2 December 2013 11: 34
    Quote: Mechanic
    Experiments are carried out on individual individuals, and not on the bulk.

    Yes, such "experiments" were and are being staged, for example, the Grushevsky song festival, a hundred thousand with tents come to the banks of the Volga, they live there for three days, after which, as usual, many "children of the festival" appear :-) So the method has been tested for a long time
    Quote: CreepyUknow
    The Bolsheviks, in order to gain support from the masses, legalized whatever they liked. The rise of prostitution, drug addiction, alcoholism

    Alcoholism and prostitution were also under the tsar, read Kuprin's "Pit"
    Quote: CreepyUknow
    Plus the destruction of the Church as something that warned against all of the above, and the rejection of the people from the religious sphere

    And how the church can help the development of progress, for example, they replaced astronomy with God's law, no religion is opium for the people, without any religion in the mid-80s there was a boom in childbirth.

    Quote: CreepyUknow
    now he is poking around, shrinking in numbers and spending his life in often meaningless works / deeds,

    Interestingly, the work began to be a meaningless time spending? And what do you want to live on, eat, drink, dress, what to support children? Very surprising, however, you have a train of thought
    1. CreepyUknow
      -1
      2 December 2013 12: 48
      I agree that prostitution was always and everywhere, but flourished after the revolution and with the arrival of the Bolsheviks. Read Prishvin’s notes, he’s talking about a bunch of syringes on the main street of Sergiev Posad! Although next to her, but still not even Moscow.
      Now at the expense of progress. I'm not talking about him, but about what religion and the Church did everything to maintain morality. What does your progress have to do with it? It is not required for fertility - take Africa and Europe to figure it out. The "boom" of the 80s is dry law. The birth rate increased insignificantly on the scale of the state, and the "boom" did not last long. And further. Orthodoxy never opposes religion to science.
      And now about work. I mean those people who work, work, accumulate money, but all this is in the key of a consumer society. Earn not to live, but to buy something that is not needed. And such a society is opposed to high birth rates. And such a society will not be able to get out of this state until it joins religion.
  50. lexe
    0
    2 December 2013 11: 40
    The extinction of the Russian people is inevitable in the conditions of living in the city.
    Moreover, in cities built and imprisoned for life in the conditions of a socialist industrial race with total control of the population. Our cities are dead in spirit ... for those living in them, hence all the problems. After the collapse of the USSR, almost all cities turned into a kind of Chernobyl, in social and spiritual meaning. And how many stray dogs have become ... sometimes you think ... and after all, it’s our smallest brothers who are the most intelligent in the cities. In conditions of heavy traffic, four-legged animals unmistakably find their zebras laughing And people go blind before their eyes, not finding their "pointers" - in the broad sense of the word ...
    Only the Russian village will save us, in which children in the first turn became helpers to their parents, and not freeloaders like today. It seems that there are building technologies ... and there is the Internet for education ... So what was the problem? When was collectivization -industrialization ... The idea was simple enough - to create unbearable living conditions in the village in order to drive people to the city and put them at their desks ... by giving a minimum of housing. Such an educational cluster in the Soviet interpretation. Oh, how much we paid for all our successes in science ... LITERALLY! A LOT!
    The question of land should come to the fore. Of course, the village needs to be given the maximum that there is in the city, otherwise it will be an escape. And I am sure that the new Lomonosov will no longer have to stomp with fish to the city laughing Why? Progress has simplified many things.
    Well, if he drowns ... (and it’s better to buy a ticket for a high-speed train, passing the exam laughing ) then he would like to see new cities filled with the meaning and magnificence of the triumph of progress where everyone found his place and his own transition sign and a family for 2-3 children.
  51. lexe
    +1
    2 December 2013 11: 40
    The extinction of the Russian people is inevitable in the conditions of living in the city.
    Moreover, in cities built and imprisoned for life in the conditions of a socialist industrial race with total control of the population. Our cities are dead in spirit ... for those living in them, hence all the problems. After the collapse of the USSR, almost all cities turned into a kind of Chernobyl, in social and spiritual meaning. And how many stray dogs have become ... sometimes you think ... and after all, it’s our smallest brothers who are the most intelligent in the cities. In conditions of heavy traffic, four-legged animals unmistakably find their zebras laughing And people go blind before their eyes, not finding their "pointers" - in the broad sense of the word ...
    Only the Russian village will save us, in which children in the first turn became helpers to their parents, and not freeloaders like today. It seems that there are building technologies ... and there is the Internet for education ... So what was the problem? When was collectivization -industrialization ... The idea was simple enough - to create unbearable living conditions in the village in order to drive people to the city and put them at their desks ... by giving a minimum of housing. Such an educational cluster in the Soviet interpretation. Oh, how much we paid for all our successes in science ... LITERALLY! A LOT!
    The question of land should come to the fore. Of course, the village needs to be given the maximum that there is in the city, otherwise it will be an escape. And I am sure that the new Lomonosov will no longer have to stomp with fish to the city laughing Why? Progress has simplified many things.
    Well, if he drowns ... (and it’s better to buy a ticket for a high-speed train, passing the exam laughing ) then he would like to see new cities filled with the meaning and magnificence of the triumph of progress where everyone found his place and his own transition sign and a family for 2-3 children.
  52. Jedi
    -2
    2 December 2013 12: 01
    Quote: Strashila
    All wars affected the Russian people... the last decade of Soviet power, the Russian people prevailed in highly intellectual and high-tech industries...

    and why are the Russian people so unlucky? why not Mongolian, Canadian or Australian? in every war we lose millions... maybe we poke our noses everywhere where the dog doesn’t poke his nose? or do we always want to fight against the whole world???
  53. Jedi
    -3
    2 December 2013 12: 01
    Quote: Strashila
    All wars affected the Russian people... the last decade of Soviet power, the Russian people prevailed in highly intellectual and high-tech industries...

    and why are the Russian people so unlucky? why not Mongolian, Canadian or Australian? in every war we lose millions... maybe we poke our noses everywhere where the dog doesn’t poke his nose? or do we always want to fight against the whole world???
  54. Alexandr0id
    +6
    2 December 2013 12: 03
    demographic superiority over its neighbors was the basis of the power of the Russian empire, and this was the reason for its growth in the 18th and 19th centuries. no one could even come close to Russia in numbers - neither the Manchus in the east, nor the Turks in the south, nor the Austrians in the west, nor the polar bears in the north. Within the empire there was also an overwhelming numerical superiority of the large, small and Belarusian populations. There were more Ukrainians alone than all Central Asians, Mongols, Caucasians and Balts combined.
    Already in the Soviet era, the demographic situation began to change - a slowdown in the growth of the Slavic population occurred against the background of Central Asian and Caucasian demographic growth. If current trends continue, then the reverse “colonization” of Russia by people from former colonies - Central Asia and the Caucasus (Transcaucasia and Northern Caucasus) is inevitable. it is possible and necessary to combat this using administrative methods, but this will only delay the inevitable. Demography can only be overcome by demographics - wedge with wedge.
    1. -1
      2 December 2013 20: 39
      And what about demographic superiority? The number of tsarist troops during the conquest of Central Asia was tens of times smaller, but just as much more effective. It’s just that real commanders fought not with numbers, but with skill; unfortunately, they began to spread rot back in Tsarist times and have not stopped to this day
      1. Alexandr0id
        +1
        2 December 2013 22: 38
        the very possibility of expanding the empire was dictated by demographic growth. the army, which was staffed by conscription, taking into account the service life - 25 (then 20) years - is actually a professional (as of now) army. this is about the question of “not in numbers, but in skill” and comparisons with the irregular (and actually unarmed) militias of Bukhara and Khiva. It's hard not to learn in 20 years. Given the small population, it is difficult to imagine hundreds of thousands of men torn out of society for the rest of their lives. No one in the world except Russia could afford a regular army of such size.
  55. +3
    2 December 2013 12: 04
    There is an economic theory about children. Let's say you live in a village, you are busy with food security for your family, plowing, sowing, and all that. And all the rest of the work, helping around the house, caring for younger children, caring for livestock, gardening, picking mushrooms and berries, is done by your children under the guidance of your wife. Add constant hunger, high infant mortality as a need to have a certain “stock” of children. Plus the physical lack of means of protection. Now ask any girl if she is using protection, the answer is yes. Plus a complete lack of pensions. That is, when you become sick or old, only your children will support you.
    Now imagine, we arrived in the city. There is good medicine available all around, a lot of entertainment, a lot of unoccupied sexual partners, they give you a pension on which you can live on yourself. You work at an easy job for 5 days from 9 to 18, you eat well, there are plenty of contraceptives around, abortion is legal and accessible, why do you need many children? They are not as useful as before, but there are more problems, they are not busy with anything and are outside of constant parental control. They need to be provided with a high standard of living for approximately 20-25 years, with almost zero returns. I am sure that as soon as the situation changes, and this is what everything is heading towards, they will give birth to as many children as needed, they will need 10, they will give birth to ten. Three classes of education and work, helping elders as much as possible. But it won’t be necessary, everything will be as it is now, one or two children for essentially entertaining the parents or realizing the parental instinct. That is, in this case, the worse, the better, as confirmed by migrants from disadvantaged countries of the east. Arriving in the city, out of habit, they give birth to many children and drag them out, which is more difficult in the city than in the village. Then their children are surprised to realize that they can do without all this and live like everyone else.
  56. 0
    2 December 2013 12: 27
    The habitat needs to be changed, as Lexey writes correctly about the city. We need to settle down. New industry, new communication routes connecting industrial centers and populated areas, a distance of 200 km should not be an obstacle to choosing a place of work and can be overcome in a maximum of an hour, new houses and energy.
    In general, this is what M. Kalashnikov writes about in a series of books.
    I think the overcrowding of the city is a significant factor hindering population growth; the first generation of city residents, who were only from the village, had large families from old memory, then it’s worse. Pure biology is at work here. I won’t even write about the ideology of consumerism, everything is already clear.
  57. -6
    2 December 2013 12: 40
    Well, firstly, compared to Europe, our situation is quite ok.
    Secondly, we have a huge number of abortions.
    Thirdly, the ability of Russian women to reproduce is at the level of African ones.

    From this we can conclude that everything is not as scary as they portray us, and if necessary, we have huge reserves to replenish the size of the nation.

    At the moment, for objective reasons, we do not need great growth, because why create poverty, it is enough to maintain the existing size of the Russian population.
    1. Russlana
      +3
      2 December 2013 16: 27
      What a cynical bastard you are.
      1. -3
        2 December 2013 16: 37
        Bastard? Catch a minus for an unreasoned attack.
    2. +2
      2 December 2013 16: 47
      Personally, I am ready to tear out tongues for the phrase about creating poverty. Why did you decide that poverty would definitely increase? Who told you about this? Give birth, give it a chance, but look at it in old age and you will be ashamed of such words.
      1. 0
        2 December 2013 17: 36
        Do you even know how much it costs to raise a child? How about collecting on the first of September? How about dressing decently? Or are you just a buffoon?
        1. +2
          2 December 2013 18: 24
          Work more, drink and smoke less, buy a Granta instead of a Corolla and go to church on Sunday, and you will have enough for everything.
          1. -3
            2 December 2013 19: 56
            It’s not in my rules to enter into an intellectual duel with an unarmed person, but you’re going too far...
            Your thinking reveals that you are a typical intellectual majority in that you are trying to judge me by yourself. That's why I have a template break for you.
            I don’t drink at all, much less smoke; moreover, I don’t use swear words and give up seats to girls/old ladies on public transport. I earn above average, and solely with my mind. I don’t have a car, but not because I don’t have/little money, no, I can go and buy one right now without a loan, I just don’t see the need for it.
            As for going to church, the Bible clearly states that those who call for abstinence from food and marriage are servants of demons. If your intellectual capabilities allow, you will understand what this means.
            Anyway:
  58. +7
    2 December 2013 12: 45
    The problem of demography is a very complex problem and it is impossible to solve it with maternal capital. At different times, different factors influenced the number of children born. In Tsarist Russia, the living conditions of peasants were difficult. Frequent crop failures, illnesses, and military service required their victims. For a family to survive, many children were required, and at the same time 2-3 generations of people lived in the same family helping each other. Low labor productivity in rural areas also had an impact on family size. Families where the majority were men lived easier. All this had an impact on fertility. There is no point in taking the period from 1914 to 1924. War, revolutions, and civil war played a negative role in demography. After 1924 the situation changed. The competent actions of the Soviet government led by Comrade Stalin led to a sharp increase in the population. The population grew not only in rural areas, but it was enough for thousands of industrial projects to be built. The harmful ideas of a glass of water and the socialization of families were discarded. The population picked up the ideas of socialist construction, justice and equality. The war of 1941-45 left its mark, a lot of the male population died, but even under these conditions, starting from 1947, a sharp increase in the population began. Children are born where people sing songs. I remember how in the early 50s, women walking from field work sang songs and flocks of children ran towards them. In the evenings, the clubs were crowded, and large numbers of children studied in rural schools. The problems began from Khrushchev's times. Ill-conceived, and perhaps criminal, Khrushchev's reforms led to the decline of agriculture in the central regions. There is no point in listing all of Khrushchev’s nasty things. People who lived at that time remember everything well. The exodus of rural residents to the cities began, to cells called “Khrushchevkas”. Unpromising settlements appeared and this continued until perestroika. Gorbachev's perestroika dealt a final blow to all spheres of people's lives. The people of Russia received the “Russian cross” and there is no way out of this situation except to find a new meaning in the life of the people.
    1. lexe
      +1
      2 December 2013 13: 15
      Population picked up ideas of socialist construction,

      "picked up" is a broad concept laughing
      medical-everyday or ideological subtext?

      According to the census data, in the USSR in 1937. There were more believers among people aged 16 years and older than non-believers: 55,3 million versus 42,2 million, or 56,7% versus 43,3% of all those who expressed their attitude towards religion.
      Moreover, we understand that many were simply afraid to tell the state about their secrets for career reasons.
      So 4 years before the war... Maybe that’s why they won?
      Still, Stalin understood how the people lived.
      The people are not girls to pick up something - well, unless, of course, they are considered a people as a means to achieve some goal (progress). All the same, a balance is needed between the interests of the people and the elite - otherwise there will be extinction, because people create “progress”.
    2. lexe
      +1
      2 December 2013 18: 48
      Frequent crop failures, illnesses, and military service required their victims. For a family to survive, many children were required, and at the same time 2-3 generations of people lived in the same family helping each other. Low labor productivity in rural areas also had an impact on family size.

      I recently watched another episode about the Romanovs...
      It turns out that... Potemkin villages are a myth of Western diplomats who did not want to introduce their leadership into shock and awe laughing about the state of affairs in Russia.
      There are quite a few historical notes where they speak with undisguised admiration about the strong and developed way of life in the villages - from the same foreigners.
      In any case, at that technological stage, the Russian village was not inferior to anyone! - so tears are unnecessary.
      1. 0
        3 December 2013 18: 15
        Do not watch television programs at night, especially about the royal dynasty, and do not read liberal newspapers. Check out this article http://www.rusproject.org/history/history_6/kak_zhilos_krejanam_v_rossii_kotoruj
        u_poterjali#.Uo5ApiOsyUQ.livejournal about a strong and developed way of life in the village. You might shed a tear.
  59. +4
    2 December 2013 13: 03
    Quote: Greenwood
    The country is worthless living conditions. This is the main cause of demographic problems in the country.
    The problem of housing alone is worth it. A young family will either need to toil in rented apartments and dormitories, or to get into bondage called "mortgages". The spending on children is astronomical. Baby food, clothes, diapers are expensive. Sending a child to kindergarten is a whole problem. Excessive extortions in schools too. And so in everything. I am already silent about utility rates, rising prices and so on. People do not have a sense of security, a sense of confidence for tomorrow. We live every day as if on a powder keg. On TV, we are shown chic stars who are disgusting with their lifestyle and stupid outhouse shows like House-2 and other Comedy Clubs. All this is diluted with news about another high-profile murder, a terrorist attack, a stolen official who is given a suspended sentence, another cut of budget money, etc. etc. Tons of negativity are poured onto us every day from all sides and from all holes. What incentive should one have in such conditions to give birth to children ?!

    I will subscribe to these words; it seems to me that this is precisely the answer to the question raised in this article. On my own behalf, I will add that until there is a full-fledged state program (not on paper, but in reality) and corresponding policies, it will not be possible to fundamentally change the situation! And I repeat once again, when you rent a room, you receive a worthless salary that only allows you to barely make ends meet, then you won’t think about the demographics in the country; our problem is our poverty! You can, of course, like the Asians, give birth to a dozen and not worry about how they will exist later, how many will die from hunger and disease, how cramped and dirty they will have to live, whether they will receive an education. But most of us are not like that, our children are dear to us, we are not indifferent to their future and we wish them a happy life. I have noticed many times that in many more or less wealthy families there are at least two children, but mostly three or four!
    1. Russlana
      0
      2 December 2013 16: 25
      I support. Write correctly.
  60. -1
    2 December 2013 13: 15
    The weak must die (They are experimenting on your children)
    Russia has become a testing ground where the most modern methods of conducting biological warfare against the civilian population are being tested and tested. But millions of people, who have essentially become “lab rabbits,” do not even realize that they are in mortal danger. Who is trying to exterminate our people and why? Details in this film...

  61. +2
    2 December 2013 13: 29
    Quote: Alexandr0id
    "colonization" of Russia by immigrants from former colonies - Central Asia and the Caucasus (Zakav

    Thanks to the community, Russians developed lands in the South and East of the country.
    Pyotr Stolypin considered the community a backward phenomenon. He drove people off the land - under the influence of bankers and traders. This policy of DIFFICULTY AND SELFISHNESS, together with warriors and revolutions, ruined peasant large families. The consequences of good intentions are a depopulated Russia. Asians and Caucasians may not even know how to write, but thanks to COMMUNITY mutual assistance, they PUSH the Slavs.
    1. Russlana
      -2
      2 December 2013 16: 24
      What the hell are communities? Too complicated relationships, too many people. Let's go back to the family.
      1. +1
        2 December 2013 21: 47
        Quote: Russlana
        What the hell are communities? Too complicated relationships, too many people. Let's go back to the family.
  62. +2
    2 December 2013 13: 45
    I don’t know what the reason is, but I worked on the problem more than once and recommend it to you!
    1. -2
      2 December 2013 18: 11
      Quote: kirgudu
      I don’t know what the reason is, but I worked on the problem more than once and recommend it to you!

      Thank you this is the best thing I have read here!!! + + + + + + + + ++++++
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  64. +4
    2 December 2013 14: 12
    I read A. Nikonov (The End of Feminism and other books) where he laid out quite well the reasons why the “white race” stopped reproducing, and pretty well laid out the reasons why the Slavs did too.
    The role of women in society and changes in values, women’s education, status, etc.
    But it doesn't make me happy.
    1. 0
      2 December 2013 15: 53
      In Russia, the terrible term “Russian cross” even appeared

      I haven’t read Nikonov, but I also think that this is more likely a cross of the white race. It all lies in the psychology of a person and especially a woman, and especially the interaction between a man and a woman. A person is controlled by emotions refracted by consciousness. The civilizational level of the white man has increased significantly, which has influenced the increased influence of consciousness, this is what has changed the role of women, changed values, added education, and so on. Among other things, there is the fact that previously inconvenience and even suffering were perceived as the norm of life.
      No one had asked the woman anything about this before. I recently gave birth to my daughter, it was very difficult and even now there are continuous problems. I keep saying I won’t do it anymore.
    2. Russlana
      0
      2 December 2013 16: 23
      And this is true.
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  66. Svobodny
    -4
    2 December 2013 15: 14
    VIEWING IS HIGHLY RECOMMENDED. ON THE TOPIC OF THE ARTICLE
    1. +3
      2 December 2013 15: 35
      Father Dmitry sings his favorite songs, Stalin, Lenin blah blah. Senseless wars. It’s as if someone asked us at 41 whether we want to fight or not. Are the Bolsheviks also to blame for the extinction of whites in Europe? He doesn’t seem to be a stupid person, but how can he start playing the anti-Soviet trumpet... Apparently there is some kind of personal resentment.
      1. Svobodny
        0
        2 December 2013 17: 01
        Quote: Orang
        Apparently there is some kind of personal grudge.


        It’s just that Father Dimitri is one of the few who calls a spade a spade.
  67. -1
    2 December 2013 15: 17
    Quote: dejavu
    What nonsense? Scary in modern Russia? I may not understand something, but why does my grandfather have 9 sisters and brothers? They lived in the village, went to school in turns - there were no shoes at all. Modern Russia is a completely normal place for the birth of children. It's just that the people live with stereotypes, and they are imposed on us, it seems to me, by force. Well, who has not heard the phrase: "produce poverty." And this is sometimes said by people who have enough income for 5 children. Yes, they will not have iPhones and not everyone will be able to enroll in ballroom dancing circles. But these will be Russian children who will love their country if they are raised as patriots. I do not understand what the groans about poor Russia are about. Sheer nonsense.

    So you give birth, and then your children run around homeless, and about the families of drunks, you probably got hurt!!!
  68. +6
    2 December 2013 15: 37
    The house in the photo in the article stood for about 50 years. About three generations of people were born and raised here. Such a house can be cut down by one person. I cut these down, in a team of three, actually. Duration - a week. Twelve crowns, two cubes of timber, one and a half cubes of flooring, two cubes of unedged boards, another couple of cubes of edged boards for various needs. Roof. The foundation is a strip foundation, or a modern screw foundation.
    What does a young family see before itself when it is time for it to “be fruitful and multiply”? She sadly contemplates the blank wall in front of her nose. Removable nooks for half the salary - lucky. Parents' tiny apartments. Fantastic, incredible land prices. Buying houses from a developer, translucent due to cheaper materials, but costing as much as the ISS. How can you not get drunk here, people?!
    You will find a job, get some money, and eventually plow the land. But when there is nowhere to live, how to give birth? And most importantly, the young man does not feel like the master of his destiny. He is an unwanted guest, an unnecessary waste, an empty rag in the trash of his homeland. Nothing depends on him, young, stupid and useless to anyone. Here's to burping for 20 years! He will do so (if he doesn’t get drunk or lose his temper), but it’s not a fact that he will have one child...
    At least cry! After all, our tree costs a pittance! And there is a lot of land, a sea, a whole ocean of land. And the state has a lot of money and... eh... In general, I’ll dream. So Ivan and Marya got married. And they go to the council to receive THEIR OWN. Not begged for, not “on lease”, not from a kickback, but your own, legal, like a young family. That is, ten acres of land in the suburbs, round timber and sawn-planed timber in approximately the volume I described, and everything else that the state can throw at them so as not to produce parasites. Setting up accounting to prevent fraud is a trifle.
    An asphalt road and communications have been built to the site; the State will not go bankrupt, but rather will become stronger. Now Ivan is doing as centuries and centuries have been done in Rus' - he calls his friends and chops down the house. This skill is available to anyone who has hands, but mentors will of course be needed. It is the mentors who will cut down the people, the young guys will cope, no matter what kind of programmers they are. Well, after the first time they can do it themselves. Nothing more is needed!
    The young, healthy, family HOMEOWNER will do the rest himself. And he will find a job with more money. And he will buy a thousand and one things for this house, boosting the economy. And he’ll buy a car, otherwise you can’t get from home to work by bus. Crisis, you say? Is consumption not growing? What consumption?! Video games in which a level eighty elf can sleep on a tree, but his wife is of no use? Crap...
  69. Russlana
    +4
    2 December 2013 16: 13
    Why... Yes, because the Russians are not needed. The policy of the country's leadership does not support large families at all. And it won't. Do you know what child benefits are? 4000 for 2 children. And this is up to 1.5 years. And then as you wish. It’s as if after 1.5 years he starts earning money on his own. Abortion, drug addiction, lack of a clear national idea. Complete promiscuity in relationships. Do you think it’s okay if there are 3-10 sex partners before marriage? Very scary. There will be no stable family. It is difficult to unlearn such “freedom”. No family - no children. Qualitative superiority... what nonsense. I will look at your “quality” when you work as slaves for the same mountaineers. And to create poverty is not a good idea at all. It's not for you to judge. If you want, help, but one regime has already advocated sterilization - it was called fascist. Why is it possible to live on child benefits in rotten Europe? But the cult of pleasure is too popular there, so they don’t give birth. And those who give birth are “dense savages”. Because they know that to be fruitful and multiply means to survive. In general, so much heresy has been written, it’s simply terrifying. However, one can’t expect anything else from a pro-government website. The Russian government is for the genocide of Russians, and only a complete idiot would deny this. The world power is generally for the “golden billion”. However, it is impossible to prove to a blind person that the Sun exists.
  70. +5
    2 December 2013 17: 00
    We need to leave the forum. The same thing, the same thing... Most of the posts are imbued with the expectation that someone will suddenly change everything and then we...
    Why don't you... There are a couple of large posts above mine - just whining and complaints. Uncle must do something...

    Yes, you will whine in any other country - something will be wrong...

    Those who want, look for ways; those who don’t want, look for reasons.

    Most of the local public are kitchen nerds and, as one pepper here said (meaning himself), “geopolytags”... laughing
    1. 0
      2 December 2013 21: 46
      Quote: iConst
      Most of the posts are imbued with the expectation that someone will suddenly change everything and then we...

      That's right.
      I would not be surprised if someone suggested solving the problem of fertility by shooting those responsible for this problem.
      Belief in the miraculous and universal power of executions is generally characteristic of very many. Absolutely all problems are proposed to be solved in this way. Probably, soon they will draw curves proving the direct dependence of the standard of living on the number of executions.
      Or faith in a kind uncle who will come and sort everything out.
    2. +1
      2 December 2013 22: 13
      Come on, you try to grow potatoes, and someone with power will trample them. An attempt to hit someone with a shovel is extremism. Will you dig up a lot in the fall?
  71. FormerMariman
    0
    2 December 2013 17: 25
    Yes, the cult of pleasure is also popular in Russia! Or have a second child or buy a car? Wife, should I have an abortion? I don’t know how I’ll walk around in a new fur coat with a belly, I won’t fit in, will I? Husband: Yes, have an abortion, you will create poverty! Here is a family conversation in a house in Novosibirsk where I stayed in 2011 while on a business trip. My mother, a Kemerovo resident, was born in 1952 (she has 3 brothers and 4 sisters), there are many Kazakhs working in the mines (our relatives) and there are no children in families of less than 4-5! They live without luxury, non-commercial workers, ordinary workers, raise children, and do not breed poverty! On the street where they lived, only the German uncle Sasha Weiss had 7 children; Russians usually have 2 children in their families, no more! Here is the demography of the Russian people!
  72. FormerMariman
    +2
    2 December 2013 17: 25
    Yes, the cult of pleasure is also popular in Russia! Or have a second child or buy a car? Wife, should I have an abortion? I don’t know how I’ll walk around in a new fur coat with a belly, I won’t fit in, will I? Husband: Yes, have an abortion, you will create poverty! Here is a family conversation in a house in Novosibirsk where I stayed in 2011 while on a business trip. My mother, a Kemerovo resident, was born in 1952 (she has 3 brothers and 4 sisters), there are many Kazakhs working in the mines (our relatives) and there are no children in families of less than 4-5! They live without luxury, non-commercial workers, ordinary workers, raise children, and do not breed poverty! On the street where they lived, only the German uncle Sasha Weiss had 7 children; Russians usually have 2 children in their families, no more! Here is the demography of the Russian people!
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  74. 0
    2 December 2013 18: 39
    The author is off topic regarding the demographic theorem, or what he calls the demographic transition. Consequently, the entire article is a continuous collection of illiterate statements due to a misunderstanding of the nature of demography. Moreover, the issue of race has nothing to do with it. It’s good that the issue of blood has not yet been raised.
  75. +5
    2 December 2013 18: 49
    I downvoted the article... The theses are hackneyed and not new, our man loves the countryside, many of our people return to their small homeland from Moscow and St. Petersburg, they build houses... The Central Russian plain is poorly populated, the roads are bad, in many areas there is no gasification, no running water, schools are being cut and paramedic stations, bus routes...Russians loved to live along rivers, river navigation needs to be revived, in the sense of increasing it, it is very cheap transport...And the birth rate and so on will follow...We need to settle Russia, and not crowd into megacities.. .
    1. 0
      2 December 2013 22: 16
      Exactly
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  77. diversant2013
    0
    2 December 2013 18: 57
    Watch the episode “Time Forward 71-72” on YouTube, there is something about fertility from official lips!
  78. -1
    2 December 2013 20: 29
    The birth rate in the Russian Federation fell sharply during the years of Gorbachev's reign, and first during Yeltsin's reign - mortality significantly exceeded the birth rate. Only recently, thanks to more or less normal stability in society and the support of the Russian government, the birth rate has begun to increase.
  79. +2
    2 December 2013 20: 52
    On the issue of demography: 2-3 months ago on the website “Rodina-USSR” I read an article on a similar topic and to the words of A. Samsonov “For example, in 1944-1945, during the war years, the birth rate in the country was higher than in recent years, quite well-fed and calm. And the population in the USSR was constantly growing." there was data that in 44-45 in Leningrad the birth rate increased 3-4 times compared to the pre-war, although it would seem that the blockade had only been lifted, there was a terrible famine, the women were exhausted, but they gave birth. One of the factors that influenced this was called , the fact that people had faith in Victory and it was justified, and therefore the morale among the people was high and therefore women gave birth. And now what and what to believe in, what to hope for7 If only the GDP tells the Russian people as in its time I.V. .Stalin:
    A toast delivered by I. V. Stalin at the Kremlin reception on May 24, 1945.

    Comrades, let me raise another last toast.
    I would like to raise a toast to the health of our Soviet people and, above all, the Russian people. (Stormy, prolonged applause, shouts of “hurray”)
    I drink, above all, for the health of the Russian people because it is the most prominent nation of all the nations that make up the Soviet Union.
    I am raising a toast to the health of the Russian people because they have earned in this war general recognition as the leading force of the Soviet Union among all the peoples of our country.
    I make a toast to the health of the Russian people, not only because they are the leading people, but also because they have a clear mind, strong character and patience.
    Our government made many mistakes, we had moments of despair in 1941-1942, when our army retreated, left our native villages and cities in Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, the Leningrad region, the Baltic states, the Karelo-Finnish Republic, left because there was no other way out. Another people could say to the government: you have not lived up to our expectations, go away, we will install another government that will make peace with Germany and provide us with peace.
    But the Russian people did not agree to this, because they believed in the correctness of their government’s policy and made sacrifices to ensure the defeat of Germany. And this trust of the Russian people in the Soviet government turned out to be the decisive force that ensured the historic victory over the enemy of humanity - over fascism.
    Thanks to him, the Russian people, for this trust!
    For the health of the Russian people!
    (Stormy, long, unceasing applause)."
    I think if they say the same or similar words to the Russian people, and back them up with real deeds, as D.I. Mendeleev calculated, and according to his calculations, the population of the Republic of Ingushetia by 1925 should have been 450 million people, of which 80% were Russian, then I I think that by 2030 the Russian population of Russia will increase to 120-130 million, I emphasize, the Russian population. And with the rest of the peoples of Russia it will exceed 160-170.
    1. 0
      2 December 2013 22: 32
      Quote: Captain45
      I think if they say the same or similar words to the Russian people, and even back them up with real deeds

      Again - twenty-five! Who's to say? Santa Claus? Or Mickey Mouse? Or maybe Obama-Alabama? laughing

      This is some kind of paragraph! Someone would arrange our life for us!

      Friend - you are a natural l-u-m-p-e-n! Even if they ban me, I’m tired of everything anyway... But it’s true - lumpen thinking!

      Listen - everyone who here supposedly “thinks a hundred times” how they will “release children into the world” are liars and lumpens. In fact, they are thinking about how to give their ass less adventure.

      Either the concept of family exists or it doesn’t. It's simple.

      You'll have to watch out... angry
  80. 0
    3 December 2013 00: 02
    There are no prospects for this supposed state, a lack of trust in these supposed rulers. The politics of flirting with gays and migrants.
  81. waisson
    +2
    3 December 2013 01: 16
    here's mine am the facts are clear
    1. 225chay
      0
      3 December 2013 07: 19
      Looks like you're right...
  82. 0
    3 December 2013 08: 57
    The reason for the deplorable demographic state of the Russian people is the problem of unresolved social conditions for the majority of the population.
  83. 0
    3 December 2013 14: 07
    Quote: waisson
    here are my facts in front of me
    It is not Rus' that is dying out, but the villages. You can argue as much as you like about the gluttonous Caucasus, but this is better than the 90s when they ate both loot and young Russian boys. Visit Tyumen, there are 7 beautiful girls for one man - isn’t it beautiful?
    Now the birth rate is higher than the death rate, but this is temporary because there will be a crisis ahead associated with the lack of fertility in the 90s.
    Those born in the USSR will be interested in having a third or more child =)
    As they do now, just to give birth to a second one.
    There is money for this. So everything will be fine.
    1. 0
      3 December 2013 15: 41
      Quote: brainkiller
      Those born in the USSR will be interested in having a third or more child =)
      As they do now, just to give birth to a second one.
      There is money for this. So everything will be fine.

      - They won’t - subsidies for the second child have been canceled
      - Your information is outdated (see above), because this did not motivate the Slavs, but the Asian brethren are already giving birth in bursts...
      - No money left. They are never there. It won't be normal for long, if at all. And what is “normal” anyway?
  84. 0
    3 December 2013 16: 33
    Quote: iConst
    - They won’t - subsidies for the second child have been canceled
    - Your information is outdated (see above), because this did not motivate the Slavs, but the Asian brethren are already giving birth in bursts...
    - No money left. They are never there. It won't be normal for long, if at all. And what is “normal” anyway?

    canceled? When? I haven’t heard this, I heard that a couple of offices were recently closed for cashing out, but no one canceled the subsidies, moreover, they are regularly indexed. And for the last two years there has been a real baby boom (secured, however, by the same boom in the 80s)
    Asian brethren, if these are citizens of the Russian Federation, then well done, but if they are migrants, then the same, what could we not be happy with?
    There is money, look at the National Welfare Fund (from which, if I’m not mistaken, this subsidy comes).
    Normal in my understanding, without dips and without sudden jumps.
    1. 0
      3 December 2013 16: 50
      Quote: brainkiller
      canceled? When? I haven’t heard this, I heard that a couple of offices were recently closed for cashing out, but no one canceled the subsidies, moreover, they are regularly indexed. And for the last two years there has been a real baby boom (secured, however, by the same boom in the 80s)
      Asian brethren, if these are citizens of the Russian Federation, then well done, but if they are migrants, then the same, what could we not be happy with?
      There is money, look at the National Welfare Fund (from which, if I’m not mistaken, this subsidy comes).
      Normal in my understanding, without dips and without sudden jumps.

      Yes, it is expected to be canceled at the end of the 16th year (it seemed to me on the 14th, that’s why I said it formally).

      However: payments are handled Pension Fund. Should I continue or is everything clear?
      And your fellows (both of them) will not go into science. And into construction and nowhere. They will go to the market and stand at the metro crossings with parsley.

      And since there are not enough markets and passages for everyone (and young people don’t want to), they will go to work (at their choice): drugs, robberies, thefts...

      Geyropa's experience is not enough? They won't flow anywhere.
      Read the continuation of this article - everything is well told about Kosovo.
  85. +1
    3 December 2013 17: 02
    Quote: iConst
    Yes, it is expected to be canceled at the end of the 16th year (it seemed to me on the 14th, that’s why I said it formally).

    However: the pension fund administers the payments. Should I continue or is everything clear?
    And your fellows (both of them) will not go into science. And into construction and nowhere. They will go to the market and stand at the metro crossings with parsley.

    And since there are not enough markets and passages for everyone (and young people don’t want to), they will go to work (at their choice): drugs, robberies, thefts...

    Geyropa's experience is not enough? They won't flow anywhere.
    Read the continuation of this article - everything is well told about Kosovo.


    - well, in our country it’s pointless to discuss something two years in advance =)
    - the pension fund is covered by the national welfare fund, no difference.
    - as for the fellows - you shouldn’t be doing that, for example, the future of medicine belongs to them because everything is learned. the places (according to unverified data) are filled with them.

    but the confusion associated with migrants, the problems of the multinationality of the Russian Federation and the current demographic situation is incomprehensible.
    Yes, over time, the share of Russians is apparently decreasing, but the critical point has not yet been reached, after which radical measures are necessary. However, there will be no measures, judging by the situation in the UK where there are no Russians left at all.
    I don’t know if links to third-party resources are allowed here, but go to espert.ru there is an interesting article about Britain, which is even ready to leave the EU just to get rid of the influx of migrants.