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The difference in approaches

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To those who remember the times of the USSR, the phrase “Warsaw Pact” says a lot. I was fortunate enough not only to know him, but also to get to know one of the armies, a party to this treaty, namely the NNA of the German Democratic Republic (German People's Army of the German Democratic Republic). Not far from us tank NNA regiment, and I had the opportunity to visit them.




We will omit the detailed and lengthy instruction given to us by our battalion commander-in-chief. The only thing that was remembered was the final words of our battalion commander: "Remember that you are Russian officers." For me, that would be enough.

Our entire "tour" took place in the fleet of combat vehicles of this regiment. The first thing that caught my eye was that the hairstyles of all the NNA servicemen, so to say, were very far from our standards. Well, okay, the Germans liked to go with the “patla”, that's their business, the main thing is how they “organized and carried the service”. And here it was worth learning a lot.

In service "brothers arms»There were Czech-made T55 tanks. Then it caused some confusion, but over the years, having already had personal experience with this machine, I realized that the choice was right. And in my personal rating of “personal sympathy”, the T55 tank as a “balanced fighting machine” takes a solid third place, having missed forward the T80 family of tanks ... And the tanks produced in Czechoslovakia were, and it is fair to admit, better than tanks produced in any another country, including the USSR, was so equipped not only with many thoughtful trifles, but with good servo mechanisms, which greatly facilitated the work of the driver.

The regiment had a park day, and the crews served the tanks. They carried it out by the crews with the assistance of the forces and means of the repair company. Consider everything as written. Tank boxes were made of bricks and they were built on the basis of placing a tank company in two rows. The weather was wonderful, so the tanks left the boxes on rubber bands and the first stopped on the concrete platform, in the place where it was reinforced with railway rails, and the second row remained on the rubber band, resulting in a distance between the tanks, not even interfering with each other. Our question “why rubber bands are necessary?” Received an answer that in this way they try to preserve the integrity of the concrete pavement longer. I immediately remembered the concrete of our park, where the tracks from the tracks were already clearly visible ... I liked the organization of work very much, everything was done under the command of sergeant majors - tank commanders, each of them had a task sheet for the day, where those activities that the crew had to carry out on that day on the tank, indicating the time of work, were clearly and clearly stated Moreover, the officer who conducted the excursion paid special attention to the fact that the main task of the tank commanders is to perfectly observe the time frame of the process. When we expressed doubt about this possibility, since there is little that can be found when working with a tank, and the elimination may take more time, we received a clear answer - the crew’s task is to perform MAINTENANCE work, not repair. This was incomprehensible, so we asked: “But what about the repair?” The answer is simple to ugliness - specially trained and equipped people from the repair departments are obliged to do the repairs. Honestly, I still don’t know if this approach was right at that moment, then in the army, in particular, the repair of the tank was assigned to the crew. Although, of course, it is necessary to STRICTLY restrict who and where can "climb", so as not to harm. What basically happened in our army, especially with the advent of the T80 family of tanks with the CCD ... But the T55 was never considered to be a particularly complex machine, it really was a decent tank that embodied all the best from the experience of the Second World War, including high reliability and maintainability.

We continue the tour. SILENCE. No screams, no fuss, everything reminds of some kind of mechanism. Silently working, not running, from a tank further than the length of a bannik, not being removed and not in a hurry, I would say, they do everything with a certain "laziness". The necessary tool is taken from the ZIP boxes and, most importantly, having worked, put it in place ... It probably sounds ridiculous, but who served, he knows that we have been FAR wrong in this matter ... We begin to be interested, and who controls the process? We were shown a lonely "Feynrich" (ensign, in our opinion) in a suit and said: "Here is a senior company technician, he controls everything." Well, in our opinion, in principle, we also had “zampotekh” in parks, which were the main ones, but the “command” link always got its “piece of technical pie”, especially on “park day”. According to the “guide”, the platoon commanders will come to completion of the work in order to exercise control over the performance of work, and the company officer will do it only if he has this “planned”. We are interested in the question, but what will happen if some defect is found?

- The crew will be punished.

- How?

They explained to us that the range of punishments here is quite large, from a simple reprimand ... to a transfer to a "barracks situation". It turned out that all recruits are called up from settlements within a radius of no more than 100 km and have the opportunity every Saturday and Sunday, with the exception of days on duty and alarms, to leave the location of the unit with a mandatory return to 08.00 hours on Monday, and, most importantly, to those responsible could impose a fine. For us, of course, it all sounded like a “song from another life” ...

What is most interesting, the army of the GDR has always been considered one of the most combat-ready armies of the Warsaw Pact. And now, looking at all the changes taking place in our army, I see that we are in many ways approaching what was, for example, in the NNA. The only thing that I don’t like is that many “Heads” somehow understand this issue one-sidedly, not adhering to the “golden mean”: either “complete liberalization” or “complete deprivation of all benefits”, which means that there is no common understanding and inability to use levers of encouragement and punishment. This, apparently, must also be taught. And maybe it’s time to go to the creation of regional training centers, where recruits from this region of the Russian Federation will undergo intensive training during their annual service life, and then whoever wants to go to the contract, let them sign, and then the necessary additional training and upon its completion is sent to the units of constant combat readiness throughout the territory of the Russian Federation. With such a system, you can also send conscripts home for the weekend, which will very strongly remove issues with non-statutory relationships, as any manifestation of them will immediately be known to parents, and the soldiers will not feel separated from “life”. Here, of course, it is also necessary to drastically increase the level of control, but in the GDR army this could have been done, and how are we worse off?
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  1. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 3 December 2013 07: 13
    +3
    Slackness and irresponsibility, these are the most basic reasons for Russian heroism. Someone is engaged in nonsense. and then someone must risk their lives.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 3 December 2013 07: 18
      +1
      Quote: vladsolo56
      Slackness and irresponsibility, these are the most basic reasons for Russian heroism.

      With all due respect to you, here you said nonsense. hi
      1. Horde
        Horde 3 December 2013 08: 13
        +1
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        With all due respect to you, here you said nonsense.


        I join, do not speak in cliches, the Germans had a higher order than ours, but who piled on anyone in the end?
        1. vladsolo56
          vladsolo56 3 December 2013 08: 29
          +4
          It is you who think with cliches, heap heaped on, but at what cost?
          1. Horde
            Horde 3 December 2013 10: 34
            +1
            Quote: vladsolo56
            It is you who think with cliches, heap heaped on, but at what cost?

            do you think the Germans would have exchanged their vaunted discipline for our victory? a definite question ...
      2. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 3 December 2013 08: 35
        +3
        You know me, it hurts when so many people think that Russians were originally sluts, they don’t know how to do everything neatly and well. It’s just that often often everything rests on the tyranny of bosses. Oh, how they want to report what has been done ahead of schedule and on their own. That's the result, honestly done everything horribly. You can argue about this for a long and tedious time, but believe me, I worked as a manager all my life and saw with my own eyes how production was ruined by similar management methods. The thought that the army was about the same
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 3 December 2013 09: 25
          +1
          Quote: vladsolo56
          Slackness and irresponsibility, these are the main reasons for Russian heroism
          This is your definition of heroism.
          Quote: vladsolo56
          It’s just that often often everything rests on the tyranny of bosses. They oh how I want to report that everything is done ahead of schedule and on their own
          And this is the definition of slackness. I agree with the second, but with the first you got excited. hi
          1. vladsolo56
            vladsolo56 3 December 2013 09: 59
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            This is your definition of heroism.

            This is not a definition of heroism, it is a definition of most of the reasons for which ordinary soldiers have to show heroism. Not always of course, but quite often.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 3 December 2013 12: 24
              +1
              Quote: vladsolo56
              Not always of course, but quite often.

              Nevertheless, I would not call them the most basic reasons. The main reason is precisely the love of the motherland. hi
              1. Ivan.
                Ivan. 3 December 2013 14: 04
                0
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                The main reason is precisely the love of the motherland.

                The main reason is in upbringing, the West, since the time of the Inquisition, has been educating in the spirit of individualism and selfishness, where snitching is the norm, and for Russians it began with the victory of the fifth column in 1917, the small people, being the core of the fifth columns of almost all countries, have not yet completed the matter - this is required a lot of time. This is their main sabotage - to introduce harmful ideas into life, to distort them to extremes, "in the name of the people, the party," and they tried to do everything with someone else's hands.
                The phenomena of scarcity, blat, etc. are their "inventions".
                ,
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                letting draftees go home for the weekend, which will greatly remove issues with hazing
                I also always thought so, but this was obviously not included in the plans of the authorities as well as the arrival of more experienced and strengthened (in all respects) graduates of vocational schools, technical schools and universities from the age of 21 (+ postponements for universities) and not 18-year-old students.
    2. Civil
      Civil 3 December 2013 07: 18
      +1
      We have a vicious circle, by default there is no discipline, the bosses will run over, work starts, yelling and disrespect does not respect, well, why work if there is a collision, discipline falls again, and again the boss runs up with the cots, and so on in an endless circle.
      1. Ivan.
        Ivan. 3 December 2013 14: 16
        0
        Quote: Civil
        We have a vicious circle, by default there is no discipline, the bosses will run over, work starts, yelling and disrespect does not respect, well, why work if there is a collision, discipline falls again, and again the boss runs up with the cots, and so on in an endless circle.
        .
        Irregular relationships originate from the very top, so they began to manifest themselves after Stalin. Small people felt themselves in relative safety, then Khrushchev tried to carry out "perestroika No. 1" - he could not complete it.
    3. Stanislas
      Stanislas 3 December 2013 11: 06
      0
      Slackness and irresponsibility, these are the main reasons for Russian heroism
      Do you think the Georgian army has less slackness and irresponsibility? Something I did not hear legends about Georgian heroism. Although Georgians may well be heroes when they become Russian soldiers and officers (Bagration, etc.)
    4. Fedya
      Fedya 5 December 2013 21: 39
      0
      The degree of slackness and irresponsibility in parts depends on the fathers-commanders!
  2. makarov
    makarov 3 December 2013 07: 15
    +5
    But I do not have to be surprised. I will conduct an excursion.
    In the so-called Germany after a 30-year war from 1618 to 1648 20% of the population remained alive, the rest were either killed or died out of wounds and diseases.
    One of the first laws introduced by the Prussian king was the law on compulsory 4-year education. Daily reports of attendance flocked to the royal court. And if some child did not attend school, then a corporal with a gun came into the courtyard, pulled out a ramrod, and threw (?) ... FATHER. What happened to the stupid child then, one can only speculate. It was the ramrod who instilled discipline and respect for the law. Which gave an instant result that is still valid.
    1. Horde
      Horde 3 December 2013 08: 09
      +2
      Quote: makarov
      In the so-called Germany after a 30-year war from 1618 to 1648 20% of the population remained alive, the rest were either killed or died out of wounds and diseases.
      One of the first laws introduced by the Prussian king was the law on compulsory 4-year education.


      Help for you The Kingdom of Prussia appeared only at the beginning of the 18th century, the first king Friedrich of Brandenburg then Prussia, if you made a mistake with the obvious data, then about 4 class education in general is doubtful. By the way, the term 4-grade education is already from the area of ​​the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
      1. makarov
        makarov 3 December 2013 08: 51
        +1
        Commented from memory. I honored Infu in my youth. And from changes "king", "prince" will not change the essence.
  3. Revolver
    Revolver 3 December 2013 07: 17
    -3
    the army of the GDR has always been considered one of the most combat-ready armies of the Warsaw Pact
    It seems that in 1941 they were organized and combat ready no worse. Nevertheless, in 1941 inevitably came 1945.
    1. IGS
      IGS 3 December 2013 07: 53
      0
      Such a statement is inappropriate and somewhat vile, minus you will not put or pass by, because the theme of the Second World War is sacred. But such an approach leads to very bad consequences. I would very much like 1945 to come much earlier, and that many of our grandfathers should see their grandchildren. That's why I put you a minus.
    2. Reindeer herder
      Reindeer herder 3 December 2013 07: 56
      0
      What is the price?
    3. Kulneff2009
      Kulneff2009 3 December 2013 08: 35
      +1
      But 1941 was still! And they piled on us. In this we differ from them, harness them for a long time, but drive fast!
      1. Fedya
        Fedya 5 December 2013 21: 41
        0
        And for the Japanese, the 41st came in the 45th!
  4. pensioner
    pensioner 3 December 2013 07: 52
    +2
    Thanks to the author for an excursion into history! Informative. hi I remembered something ... Not a topic of course, but oh well ... At the forum, I read the pilots. In the 60s, on the occasion of some holiday, our and German flyers were gathered together for a solemn meeting. A general came out to deliver a congratulatory speech. Well, he said: "Dear GERMAN Fascist comrades!" All dropped out. The Germans were laughing no worse than ours. The meeting immediately closed and the main part of the celebration began ...
  5. erased
    erased 3 December 2013 08: 37
    +3
    To restore order and change the structure of army life at all levels, first of all, you need the desire of the top to receive this very change, a full understanding of the process by the highest military leadership and control on the ground (and parts). And if in places in some places there may be such an aspiration, then at the top no one needs anything.
    That is why we have this very thing.
    Even the latest technology, the most advanced technology is useless if a person (from a soldier to a marshal) is not able to work with technology.
  6. koksalek
    koksalek 3 December 2013 08: 54
    +3
    The better the crew knows their car, the more likely it is to survive. All this drill as written is good in a relaxed atmosphere when everything is regulated by who, where, how and with whom.
    Hello to everyone who served in the GDR in Weimar!
  7. Known who
    Known who 3 December 2013 09: 05
    0
    Kadyi is obliged to fulfill his duty then there will be order in the army and the state and different Chubais and Serdyukov will not arise.
  8. Stanislas
    Stanislas 3 December 2013 09: 29
    +2
    About "order in tank troops" from personal experience in Soviet times. He served as an urgent service in the air defense. Then he studied at the military department at the commander of a motorized rifle platoon. When you move to another city, they are registered with the military registration and enlistment office as the commander of a tank platoon. I ask: is it ok that I only saw the tank on TV? The answer is: everything is in order.
  9. complete zero
    complete zero 3 December 2013 10: 14
    +2
    I, like many of you, are jarred by frequent accusations addressed to the USSR Armed Forces (about general sloppiness, etc.) ... (I served urgently in the KTPO in the PV of the KGB of the USSR) - I can’t say anything bad about my officers and comrades .. .
    as for the GDR Army, and indeed the Germans in general, is the Nation of WARs, with all the pros and cons resulting from this and the fact that they were still defeated by us in the Great War, does not mean that they fought badly, and the equipment and level training of the Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe, navy, parts of the waffen ss-was the highest until the last volleys of war (and with patriotism there was everything in order)
  10. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 3 December 2013 15: 35
    +3
    What is most interesting, the army of the GDR has always been considered one of the most combat-ready armies of the Warsaw Pact.

    That's right.
    The Germans, as warriors, were always on top, and the Germans were tankers even more so. They somehow in their own, in a special way love their cars.

    I have my own ... very good attitude towards the GDR. A lot of things are connected with it ...
    I read the memories with pleasure. It was just nice to read.
    Thank you, Sergei.
    hi
    drinks

    ps Not so long ago they hung in the gash in Berlin, and then in Mainz with familiar Germans, there were former military NNAs. They still do not understand - FOR WHAT they betrayed ???
    In no country does the military like "changing horses on the crossing."
    They swore allegiance.
    They conscientiously served the police department, and they ... were kicked in the ass to the Westerners. They did not accept the length of service, almost all were fired or accepted with a lowering in the rank in the Bundeswehr, where they could not get along with the locals.
    Eheh. Fucking bald.
  11. alone
    alone 3 December 2013 18: 54
    -1
    Germans respect order. Law is law. For them, the concept of how to circumvent the law does not exist. That's why they have order. And what do we have? They look at those who follow the laws strangely and discipline is lame.