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Putin's dismissal: good or tragedy?

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Read the article "He is only Putin"and comments to it and decided to throw his log in this discussion, and the log looks like an article on the Internet resource of the newspaper" Tomorrow ", but the most interesting thing was that it was published a long time ago. So I would like to offer it to visitors of the site, so that they read and compare with what we have today and appreciate it, or else I watch quickly forget what happened yesterday. I am not an active supporter of President Putin, I just want people to think a little and draw conclusions.
Captain45





January 19 2005

Exactly five years ago, in the number 3 for 2000 a year, the newspaper "Tomorrow" opened a series of publications under the general motto "Project Putin". Then we wrote: “Before, every leader was a product of the most complicated political separation. For an idea, a leader, a leader, there were always major accomplishments. He grew to political heights as a result of deadly strife, wars, elections from a dozen equally worthy ones. Putin is the first product strictly a secret factory run by the presidential administration, the FSB, the media and residents of the West. " This characteristic, given in the heat of the 2000 presidential campaign of the year, while remaining generally correct, needs some clarification. Then the “project Putin” was just beginning. Today, after the elections in Ukraine, the privatization of Yuganskneftegaz and the actual abolition of social benefits, it seems to be nearing its end. Headlines and texts of publications in Western (and not only Western) mass media literally shout about this, it is demanded by retirees who block streets and roads, oligarchs and regional leaders speak about this in a narrow circle of authorized representatives.

At the same time, Putin’s dismissal or his departure from the presidency makes the “power vacuum” obvious and opens the way to the disintegration of Russia - according to the same scenario that the Soviet Union was destroyed in 1991. What is in such circumstances, the increasingly likely resignation of Putin for our country - good or evil? With this question we turned to our experts.

Nikolay PAVLOV, State Duma deputy:

Not so long ago there was a congress of our party "Narodnaya Volya". I was given the floor, and I said: "If the country faces a choice: Putin or Chubais with Berezovsky, then you have to be on Putin’s side." I think the same point of view is with most of my party comrades.

Yes, we do not like the current government policy. It is necessary to drive from the ministerial posts of Gref, Kudrin, Zurabov and radically change the socio-economic strategy. But Putin’s policy today is also unhappy with the capital of the West and its “fifth column” in Russia. That is, they are not satisfied with those who have been sucking the juices of the Russian economy for a decade and a half and drank the blood of our people. They felt the danger emanating from the Kremlin, and it is desirable for them to eliminate Putin. And who benefits?

We are statists. We believe that the state can not create a paradise in the country, but it can prevent it from hell. We do not need a “rose revolution” according to the Georgian version, nor an “orange revolution” according to the Ukrainian version. If the West and the Russian oligarchs organize a coup d’état, it will lead to chaos in Russia.

There will be no benefit to us from Putin’s dismissal from the presidency, contrary to the law, that’s for sure. And will Putin’s unjustified expulsion of Putin from the Kremlin a catastrophe for the country? I will answer: any shocks in the state are harmful and therefore undesirable.

Alexander NAGORNY, political scientist:

Talk about overthrowing or shifting Putin is not an accidental turn in public sentiment. This is not a revolutionary situation, but an approach to it is active. Undoubtedly, different segments of Russian society have their own specific motivations. However, let us ask a few questions to understand the whole situation. First, are there any objective reasons for this? The answer is beyond doubt: yes. In a month or two, not retirees, but quite active people will feel a radical increase in tariffs and rents. And there is not far to the realization of the robbery of gasoline and health care. If we add hatred for Putin of national elites and regional groups to all this social, then a very tough "complot" is formed. Now let us ask whether Putin deserves such an attitude towards himself as a result of his activities. The answer is beyond doubt: yes. He is the destroyer of our state and our Motherland due to the fact that it prolongs the system of the Yeltsin concentration camp, where a million of our citizens die every year.

In the Western media and in the analytical workings of the CIA and other special agencies, the position that under such a socio-economic situation the demographic “decline” of Russia will reduce it historical fate to zero in the next ten to fifteen years. In this scheme, the delay and every day of Putin’s stay in the Kremlin is the murder of the country. He is a kind of capo in Russian Auschwitz. Recall that, in addition to the things already said, Putin is cementing the development of a narcological disaster by withdrawing our border guards from Tajikistan, by unbridled propaganda of violence and the same drugs on all national television channels, by expanding casino networks throughout the country. You can give a huge number of examples. This includes children's homelessness, and the elderly, delving into garbage dumps, and the deprivation of housing for the poor, unable to pay for apartments, this is the protection of entrepreneurial banditry, and soldering the population through private wine and vodka production.

But now we will put the last question. And why did our “best friend the United States actually join this overthrow of Putin? They are not satisfied with the killing liberal course of the current Russian president? After all, he meets their long-term interests. No. The answer is in other things. First, their They are not satisfied with the pace of the destruction of Russia as a single state. Secondly, specific tasks have been set in recent months about the "castration" of our nuclear missile potential, inherited from the Soviet, or more precisely, the Stalin era of opposition to America and the West.

And here that “orange” revolution, carried out by the Americans in Kiev, is only an addition to the sharp defamation campaign in the leading American media on Putin. A direct and practical question is posed to him: either you give up control of the Russian nuclear weapons and nuclear power plants to Washington through a new treaty on "strategic stability" with the United States, or we are preparing for you the Hague and the fate of Milosevic at best, and at worst, Ceausescu with a physical sweep. The surrender of Putin’s nuclear missile potential will mean the final assassination of Russia as a great power. This will be followed by the final dismemberment with the separation of the Caucasus, Volga region, Siberia and the Far East. But if Putin suddenly rests, a completely different historical perspective will arise. The United States will put pressure on all lines of Russia and Putin, and it will have to repeal draconian liberal laws, it will have to limit tariffs and rents, really “strip” oligarchs, taking away their means to maintain the poor and restore military potential, return the state gold reserves from America to Russia, to carry out personnel cleansing in the government and on television. And then a huge public support for the "lonely" leader will be provided. But this is unlikely to happen. In my opinion, the main lever of "destabilization" will come through a series of upcoming terrorist acts, when the mysterious Caucasian and Chechen militants "seize" nuclear or chemical facilities in conjunction with the school and the maternity hospital. Such an operation is being prepared with the initiation and full support of the special services of Turkey and the United States. And an ultimatum from the whole "united West" will follow. And it will be reduced not only and not so much to the removal of Putin as a political subject, but to the introduction of specific international control over Russian territories, including the resolution of regional conflicts and high-risk objects. That is the choice that we are prepared.

Stanislav BELKOVSKY, President of the National Strategy Institute:

Vladimir Putin, as a national leader, has come to a deaf dead end, the way out of which is not visible. However, this does not mean that his sudden departure from power will be a blessing for the country.

The main problems of Putin were: a) the inability to formulate a new national project for Russia, qualitatively different from Yeltsin's (actually American); and b) the lack of desire and willingness to form a new elite that would connect its vital interests with a new leader, a new course, a new regime. It is now obvious that Putin was too small and shallow in the face of the tasks that History set for him. Therefore, today we are witnessing a massive disappointment in the president.

However, today’s crash of Vladimir Putin would be premature and extremely risky for Russia. There is still no responsible political entity that could assume full authority. In such a situation, only the merciless Russian revolution, which had happened in the 2005 year, would inevitably lead to the disintegration of the country, could become the mechanism of Putin's dismissal. Recall that in the 1991 year, the union republics rapidly declared themselves independent states only because the sacral central - union, Moscow, tsarist - power disappeared so far.

If we want to preserve the country and statehood as entities, then we need the areal elements, not sweeping away everything in their path, but the state transformation, which implies - at the symbolic level - the continuity of power. This means that the new ruler of Russia coming after Putin will be infinitely far from the current president in his views, ideology, philosophy, political methodology, but the main thing is that he should not "carry Putin out of the Mausoleum." Desacralization of the Russian sovereign power as such should not be allowed, because in Russian history it is always - whether it is Time of Troubles, 1917 or 1991 - that led to the disintegration of the state and the disintegration of all of its systemically important institutions.

Most likely, Putin will be removed from power as a result of a coup d’état, which, in turn, will be the indirect result of popular unrest, supported by secret rebels - conspirators in the immediate circle of the president. (“Poor, poor Pavel!” - the president should be in panic afraid of long durable scarves and bronze snuffboxes). A political subject alternative to the 1990 system and capable of replacing Putin will mature by the year of 2006. This subject, supported by some Kremlin dwellers, will come to power - presumably in the spring and summer of 2007. If we do not want the disappearance of Russia and Russian identity, we should not be ahead of the events.

History will put everything and everyone in places. There is reason to believe that the next presidential election will be held ahead of schedule, and the parliamentary elections in general will not have any meaning.

Vladimir Putin was the victim of his own inattention to the historical laws and ways of development of Russia. It will be replaced by the "real Putin" - the one on whom the country relied, but never received. The post-Putin regime will be imperialistic and even partly liberal - but not at all in the sense of the word "liberalism", which is inherent in our 1990's agonizing elite. Elite, who brought Putin to power as a managed clerk, and now does not know what to do with him, and is ready for any decisions and scenarios that suggest the fall of the “Kremlin evil dwarf”.
One should not exaggerate the role of the West in destabilizing the Putin regime. The current president of Russia as a whole is satisfied with the West - since everything that he really does (not to be confused with formal rhetoric), by and large meets the interests of the United States as a global superpower. This Putin eliminated our bases in Cuba and Vietnam, allowed the United States to establish direct channels of control over the CIS, lost Ukraine, etc. Do not forget the "stabilizing" role of Putin's main business partner - German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder. The West fears not so much Putin as the extra-systemic political force that could ever come to replace the current Russian leader. Therefore, at the crucial moment of our most recent history, the West (here it is necessary to make a reservation about its heterogeneity and the growing contradictions between America and Old Europe) will rather be counter-revolutionary. It is highly likely that at the end of his presidential feeding ministry, Putin will be a permanent resident of prestigious European resorts and a welcome guest at receptions from obvious, secret and imaginary kings and hosts of Europe.

Sergei Glazyev, Doctor of Economics, State Duma deputy:

The discussion that has recently appeared in Russian society and the media regarding Putin’s early dismissal from the presidency is related to the fact that the socioeconomic and foreign policy course he has chosen has completely discredited itself. His work goes against the interests of society and the state. The fact that the Kremlin managed to spend the last six months, means a rollback of our country to the parameters of the pre-industrial era.

Such a scheme does not exist in any more or less civilized state. Practically here Putin and his “siloviki” introduced the “African” state model developed by the IMF as early as the 60 for the former colonies. Meanwhile, I don’t think that in the near future there are political chances for his overthrow or withdrawal from power. There are no significant figures on the Russian political scene that represent real competition to Putin and capable of intercepting power. However, the situation is becoming more fragile and unstable every day. For me and my colleagues, the main thing is undoubtedly the change in the current catastrophic socio-economic course, and not the replacement of a political figure. We criticize and oppose Putin because he throws the country a hundred years ago and carries out total degradation. What exactly is this? His steps were reduced to the creation of a system for the export of capital from the country by oligarchs, to the most dangerous pillaging and plundering of land, both in urban and rural land, to the total destruction of the social system and the structural reduction of social expenditures. Here we are not concerned with foreign policy. Putin deliberately leads to the pushing of our country into a raw material status without any opportunities for revival, which in itself creates the conditions for its further dismemberment. Contrary to the current president’s repeated statements about stimulating the investment process and supporting scientific and technological revolution, as was recently done in Novosibirsk, everything is done to dismantle the Academy of Sciences, commercialize science and squeeze the most capable scientific personnel out of the country. Health care is ruined, and education is put on a paid basis, which does not give capable young people to get an education and secure their future and the future of their country. In essence, this is a continuation of the Yeltsin "reform" line, but on a larger scale. So, Yeltsin did not touch the social sphere created by the Soviet Union, and Putin fearlessly destroys it. Therefore, the current opposition to Putin is wider than the opposition to Yeltsin. The rightists in the form of the Union of Right Forces and liberals criticize him for his removal from the trough in the government and in the media, fully supporting his social and economic "innovations". The right and the West would like to deploy an orange orgy in Russia and connect the "energy" of public discontent to their political objectives. Such a course of events, if it takes place, can lead to completely different political results. The people who are now in the Kremlin, have no idea about law and morality. They will rock the situation themselves. One part of the liberals will provoke unrest, and the other will prepare the dictatorship in order to more effectively implement the goals set to reduce Russia and Russian society to the position of an African country. These "representatives" of the two parts of the right together spend their free time, play golf, drink tea and other drinks. And this circumstance should be fully realized and taken into account by all patriotic forces.

Anton SURIKOV, political scientist:

Criticism of V.Putin by the world's leading media on the eve of the New Year holidays passed into the stage of public discussion of the issue of removing him from power without waiting for 2008 of the year. Contrary to Kremlin claims that this criticism was allegedly paid for by Berezovsky, in fact it has deeper reasons.

As you know, Putin was entirely obliged to his arrival in the Kremlin by Yeltsin’s “family” and, above all, to Berezovsky. True, Boris Abramovich was forced to emigrate a year later. But the other members of the "family" kept their positions for a long time. Virtually the entire first Putin term, the Yeltsin elite was represented on the Kremlin Olympus by such "heavyweights" as Voloshin and Kasyanov, who, strictly speaking, provided the appearance of stability. The turning point occurred in 2003 with the arrest of Khodorkovsky and the resignation of Voloshin, and the final political cleansing took place in February of 2004, when Kasyanov was dismissed. In addition to the "family", the generals Kvashnin, Troshev, Kazantsev, Shamanov and other commanders of the second Chechen war played a significant role in Putin's elevation. Thanks to their victories, the rating of the newly appointed prime minister Putin rose from zero to heaven in a matter of weeks. Then, having done their job, all these generals were out of work. Kvashnin was expelled last from his post in the middle of 2004. And now, judging by the press, the process of introducing migrants from SVR to senior positions in the GRU, where they are not persistently perceived as representatives of a competing corporation, has entered the final phase.

Anyway, only the people who owe their careers personally to Putin were at the helm of power. First of all, his former colleagues at the KGB and in the city hall of St. Petersburg when he was mayor of Sobchak. Leave aside the painful questions about their professionalism and corruption. Equally important is the fact that the balance was broken within the elite. The situation was aggravated by the construction of a "managed democracy" system, which ended sometime in the fall of 2003 during the ugly campaign for elections to the State Duma. These elections and the Yukos case demonstrated to the public that the vertical mobility system that existed under Yeltsin was blocked. The Kremlin Brigade has taken everything under itself and does not want to let anyone go anywhere. Due to insurmountable bureaucratic and corruption barriers, active elements are deprived of the opportunity to move vertically upwards in politics and business by legitimate means. Thus, they are literally pushed into the field of illegitimate actions - in a frank crime or a revolution.

This is not slow to affect. The entire 2004 year has been shaken by a continuous series of crises, scandals and tragedies. It is enough to remember Beslan, the murder of Kadyrov, Nazran, the subway bombings, the destroyed airplanes, the “attack” of the Yarmuk jamaat on the drug control office in Nalchik, which became regular sabotage on pipelines and power lines in Dagestan and Moscow region, mass killings and kidnappings throughout the North Caucasus, unrest in Karachay-Cherkessia. On the other hand, the Kremlin’s failures in elections in Ukraine and Abkhazia, the collapse of the Abashidze regime in Adzharia, the banking crisis created from scratch, the administrative reform that paralyzed the government’s work, the reform of the General Staff, the scandal around the elimination of Yandarbiyev, Qatar, a court in Houston and the clumsy expropriation of Yuganskneftegaz, an attempt to seize the brand of the Communist Party of the Kremlin by the Kremlin, the adoption of laws on the monetization of privileges, protest actions of Limonovtsy and brutal judicial reprisals against them. Finally, the "anti-terrorism" decision on the appointment of governors, which caused a negative international reaction and anger among regional elites. It is significant that on the election day of Putin the building of the Manege near the Kremlin burned down. And the end of the year was "graced" by the president's Freudian reservation on Zionism. The beginning of 2005, which was marked by the excitement of the beneficiaries, whom the police and secretly regional leaders clearly sympathize, did not bring anything good either. Particularly noteworthy were the thousands of shares in the Volga region. Dissatisfied "babai" as if hinting to the Kremlin that the next time people can go out not under the red, but under the green banners. And they will block not the streets of cities and highways, but the Druzhba oil pipeline and the Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod gas pipeline - a kind of gift to the German Chancellor Schröder for the elections to the Bundestag in 2006. In general, the situation is in a spin. From stability, which was mentioned a year ago, no trace remains. In the party of power openly discuss the early resignation of the government. Meanwhile, the president, when he went to the polls, publicly positioned this government as the most important part of his team for a second term.

Against this background, the anti-Putin campaign in the world media is gaining momentum, in terms of severity resembling the 1983 year, when the South Korean Boeing was shot down in the skies over Sakhalin. Putin in the West, it seems, was written off completely and no concessions on his part will change his attitude towards him. Moreover, as a matter of the near future, the topic of possible disintegration of the Russian Federation was discussed. For good reason. In the West, it has always been believed that the process of the collapse of the USSR in the 1991 year was not completed. At one time, Brzezinski wrote about the need for secession of Siberia and the Far East. The CIA report, which became famous, predicted the dismemberment of the Russian Federation into seven parts by 2015. However, the issue of disintegration until recently was considered only as a long-term perspective. On the contrary, during the period of stability in 2000-2003, the United States seriously counted on the President of the Russian Federation as the junior partner in the confrontation with radical Islam and China, which is gaining momentum. Therefore, G. Bush avoided criticism of Putin in every way and tried to emphasize his position to him. However, when in the West they came to the conclusion that the situation, due to the failures and mistakes of the Kremlin, was about to go astray, the accents shifted and the topic of the collapse of the Russian Federation rose to the agenda. At the same time, Bush, thoroughly stuck in Iraq, is now more than ever in need of a loyal attitude on the part of opponents both in America itself and in "old Europe". And their situation in the Russian Federation has always been in the focus of attention, which Bush simply cannot ignore.

So, the Western elite has a consolidated view that Putin is no longer the guarantor of stability, and the Russian Federation is on the verge of collapse and chaos. At the same time, a peaceful revolution along the lines of Georgia and Ukraine is not predicted for us. In the West, they believe that without bloodshed, we will not do. After all, there is no one controlled by the North Caucasus, there is an Islamic factor in the Volga region, underground cells of the radical Hizb ut-Tahrir party have been created all over the country, aiming at the creation of the Caliphate. There is a fatwa (directive) of authoritative Muslim theologians, declaring the Russian Federation "the territory of war" - "dar-al-hub." Under the collective pseudonym "Shamil Basayev", there are groups of unknown departmental affiliation that organize catastrophic acts of "Nord-Ost" and Beslan, which are catastrophic in consequences and public resonance. In other words, for the instability associated with violence, and, consequently, for the collapse of the country has all the prerequisites.
Meanwhile, the Russian Federation is not Burundi. What is happening in it can not but worry the West. First of all, the fate of nuclear facilities for military and civil purposes. In the United States, they came to the conclusion that in the coming years, with the formal consent of the Russian Federation, they should take such facilities under their direct administration and protection. Secondly, Americans are worried about the prospect of transition of the eastern regions of the Russian Federation under the control of China through demographic expansion. Given the demographic trend in Siberia and the Far East, Washington believes that it will take 10-15 years.

They see a way out to the United States in a pro-active manner, together with NATO allies and Japan, to take these territories under administrative and military control on the basis of a system of concession agreements and military alliances that will be imposed on the Kremlin. Finally, Washington is worried about the rise of radical Islam. Moscow’s policy of countering the Islamists is low in the West. On the contrary, a combination of methods such as the clumsy use of force plus crude bribing of local clans is considered ineffective and backfiring. The territorial isolation of the mountaineers of the North Caucasus and the Volga-Ural region under nationalistic anti-Russian slogans and the introduction of stabilization forces of Turkey, the United States and NATO along the lines of the former Yugoslavia seems more preferable.

For the implementation of the above concept is given a few years. At the same time, the Russian Federation, while maintaining the current format of the Kremlin’s policy, has virtually no chance of survival. The economic views of the Kremlin are based on radical monetarism, which reinforces the orientation of raw materials and the trend towards the de-industrialization of the country. This is aggravated by the lack of qualified personnel in the presidential team and horrific corruption unprecedented even in Yeltsin's times. The transformation of law enforcement agencies into extortionist gangs has almost completed. Finally, the so-called elite’s habit of keeping capital abroad makes it extremely vulnerable to Western justice. This is despite the fact that the Houston court, as we could see, is fundamentally no different from the Basmanny.

So, in the West, people are increasingly inclined to think that the state that was proclaimed on the ruins of the USSR in 1991 in Belovezhskaya Pushcha of the Russian Federation did not take place. This pushes Americans to actively influence our internal processes in the direction of "controlled disintegration." At the same time, the United States seriously believes that they will be able to direct the collapse process to an acceptable direction for themselves. However, history teaches that not everything works out exactly as originally planned. The situation can get out of control if China and radical Islam are included in the game. So, the Americans are not able to stop illegal immigration from Mexico and the same China even to their own territory. How do they plan to stop the demographic aggression of the Chinese in the eastern regions of the Russian Federation? Or bet on secular nationalism in our Muslim republics. There are simply no influential nationalist forces, but Islamic radicalism is flourishing, accumulating all anti-Kremlin protest sentiments.

One way or another, the Russian Federation is turning into a passive object of confrontation of world centers of power. Meanwhile, Putin came to power under the slogans of strengthening the state, preserving its sovereignty and territorial integrity. Despite the Kremlin PR, now the society is increasingly convinced that the president has missed his chance. The discussion about how to help Putin is becoming increasingly irrelevant. Can not help him. His departure or dismissal is likely to take place earlier than 2008. Therefore, another question is relevant now: what will happen after Putin? Will the collapse of the Russian Federation happen or will a new more professional power come that will stop the processes of destruction and give impetus to development? The answer to this question entirely depends on the degree of political maturity of Russian society.

Mikhail LEONTIEV, journalist:

Treasonable conversations do not intend to support the content.

Sergey Dorenko, TV reporter:

Putin has created a business corporation of generals, which, with any unrest, thinks about the billions illegally acquired under his rule. If Putin is displaced by someone from the established business junta, it will not be a blessing for Russia. But if the people of Russia are imbued with the consciousness of what is happening with them today, if a nationally responsible government comes to power, this is certainly a blessing.

The resource of the new elite is definitely not the corrupt bureaucracy that feeds on Putin’s mud, is definitely not a corrupt senior army and special service, engaged in trading in soldier’s lives and protecting the business. All others suffer from Putin's regime. Unfortunately, usually our people lead to unity and national responsibility, trouble. So it was in the Time of Troubles of the early seventeenth century. And today, people protesting on the streets have come to an understanding through trouble. I think that a nationally responsible stratum of the best of citizens, which forms the national government, can crystallize out of them.

Mikhail DELYAGIN, Doctor of Economics, Chairman of the Presidium-Scientific Director of the Institute for the Problems of Globalization:

A wave of discontent with Putin has risen in the country. Naturally, the official propaganda is trying to blame his opponents for an alliance with Islamic terrorists (all Moscow metros were sealed with appropriate leaflets), the payment of oligarchs and the West.

Yes, among Putin’s opponents there are enemies of Russia who target him simply because they are the most vulnerable part of Russia, just as the demishy (unlike human rights activists) fought against the KGB not for the well-being of the citizens of the USSR, but against it. But such enemies always attack - just as viruses always attack the body. The organism gives in to these attacks and gets sick only when it loses a part of its immunity.

The attacks on Putin became massive not because someone in the West allocated an extra million dollars, but because Putin’s policy began to threaten Russia's very existence and became more destructive than the efforts of all external enemies combined.

Strongly imposed conversations in the style of "the king is good, only the bad boyars" ("only Putin will save us from Zurabov", for example) - cheap propaganda for the meager mind, for Putin chose these "boyars" and brick by brick, that little bureaucrat gloom against which even his dim light blinded his eyes.

The essence of the political system created by Putin is the granting of bureaucracy, especially coercive, full arbitrary freedom in exchange for loyalty. Democracy as an institution of state coercion to responsibility before society has been eradicated.

The symbiosis of liberal fundamentalists, who take the money of the population in favor of business, and the power oligarchy, which takes this money from business for unproductive consumption, is a two-step digestive tract that digests the country. Unlike the Soviet one, this economy is really “Samoyed”.

The economic strength is great, but by the fall of 2006, it will be destroyed by the stupidity and irresponsibility of the leadership (for example, the banking crisis) and the steady growth of appetites of the power oligarchy, which can suddenly exceed the capabilities of enterprises and destroy them ("criminal management paradox") during a downturn. The growth of conflicts within the country's leadership is also dangerous (now the Bulldogs are still fighting "under the carpet", but, having escaped to the surface, they will smash everything around them).

In the last 9 months of 2004, Putin has freed himself from the remnants of the influence of the Yeltsin "family". Alas: replacing the "family" with a "brigade", he freed the bureaucracy from the "chimera, called competence."

The concentration of devastating nonsense in these 9 months is exceptional. Administrative reform paralyzed the government. The final immersion of the security forces in the “conflicts of business entities” too clearly coincided with the 4 months of terrorist attacks, culminating in Beslan. A new round of pension reform deprived the right to a decent old age of people at the age of 37-50. Housing reform has deprived us of the constitutional right to housing. Social reform ("monetization of benefits") is similar to social genocide. Forcing the Chubais reform of the electric power industry threatens to leave the country not only without electricity, but also without heat. Reforms of education and health make them inaccessible to the poor. The upcoming reform of science seems to consider scientific schools simply as holders of attractive real estate, which must be selected and put into commercial circulation. The division of powers between levels of government forces the regions to choose between communal and social catastrophes.

The rapidly escalating ethnic problems are not being resolved. The final termination of the substantive consideration of laws by the State Duma led to a catastrophic decline in the quality of the laws adopted.

By signing the law on the "monetization of benefits", Putin, as you can understand, trampled on the Russian Constitution and delegitimized his post, creating the threat of a severe crisis of statehood and the collapse of the country.

In essence, he declared war on the underprivileged part of society ("monetization of benefits" and the general curtailment of social guarantees), business (power racket), regional elites (appointment of governors), the West (open rejection of democratic formalities, made an impression of blasphemous speculation on the blood of children) and and, finally, a support of its own - law enforcement structures (deprived of privileges and subjected to humiliation). He declared war on all.

Putin's regime behaves with Russia as a minor imbecile, methodically and stupidly torturing a cat.

He will change the government (leaving Gref, Kudrin and Khristenko), smother money security officials and veterans, but it does not help him, because the problem is not in the government, not in the old and not in the new lieutenant colonel, but in himself. In 2001, I put forward the slogan "Let's help Putin!" I was wrong. Five-year sincere attempts by the masses of people showed that it was impossible to help him. So - he is doomed.

Putin is a hopeless politician. He is dragging Russia into a new Time of Troubles. The sooner he resigns, the less devastating the systemic crisis will be, the less likely it is that Putin will drag Russia and Russia into political oblivion, bringing it to collapse.

To achieve the resignation of Putin by all available methods (of course, within the law) - realizing that our enemies (who put Putin on the “kingdom” at one time) want it, too, beware and upsetting them, is the task of all the healthy and responsible forces of Russia.

"Monetization of benefits," that is, an open war of the ruling bureaucracy against the country, has made fashionable talk of "lack of alternatives" topical. On the agenda is the question of the survival of Russia.

And there will be a new leader: he will be nominated by society and will grow up in the course of the struggle for the resignation of Putin. Vacancy is free, and any possible alternative is better than today's triumph of violence and insanity.

TOMORROW


And now I suggest that readers compare what these “experts” said to what they are saying now and draw their own conclusions.
Captain45
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  1. Canep
    Canep 2 December 2013 06: 18
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    I think in Russia there is no alternative to Putin yet.
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 2 December 2013 06: 30
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      Quote: Canep
      This article is similar to a call for a coup d'etat.
      Why? In my opinion, the article encourages people to remember how and what happened and who and what they said. And to give Putin quiet work, he proved his worth.
      1. makst83
        makst83 2 December 2013 06: 47
        +4
        The dog barks - the wind wears, but the caravan is coming!
        1. SPACE
          SPACE 2 December 2013 08: 44
          +7
          Horses do not change at the crossing!
          1. Simon
            Simon 2 December 2013 17: 51
            +5
            It is right! Let Putin do everything to the end. "It's not evening yet," as they say. We don't need chants and promises, they won't do anything anyway. Putin, a man is a matter. good
        2. Arberes
          Arberes 2 December 2013 11: 27
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          Quote: makst83
          The dog barks - the wind wears, but the caravan is coming!

          I hope the right course, otherwise I feel sorry for the camels!
          1. SPACE
            SPACE 2 December 2013 12: 47
            19
            Greetings to Arberes! hi How are you friend?
            All earthly blessings are not enough for everyone, and the one who is the first in this life's race has more of them than others. Under Putin, Russia is gradually pulling the "blanket" over itself and opposition from the "outside" is growing, and this is already a war! There is a war, economic, ideological, informational and external and internal! Well, someone is STRONG and can really challenge it, refute ...? And if so, then in war as in war! "Everything for the front, everything for victory" Putin is at the forefront and is successfully conducting "military operations", but who are you? You, logistic support, do I need to explain that the success of an external battle depends on the stability of internal affairs and support, otherwise the battle cannot be won. But there are those who abandoned their lathe, do you see little grub, GDP has decreased, the conditions are not the same, they do not care about you? Saboteurs, weaklings and deserters, you have already surrendered and there is no hope for you! But the battle is far from over ... what happens next? Even harder ...! But Russia is great, there are still those, truly Russians who understand the true reasons for the decline in GDP and the state of affairs in the world and continue to fight an unequal battle and will continue, despite the lack of cheap suitcases and iPhones. Yes, there are also reasonable and patriotic forces, and not only in Russia, but also outside it ...! We are Russians and in dreams God, victory will be ours! And we will forgive you weaklings, in terms of the breadth of your heart!
            1. Arberes
              Arberes 2 December 2013 13: 15
              +4
              Quote: SPACE
              How are you friend?

              Thank you, as they say in your prayers!

              Quote: SPACE
              who threw his lathe

              Now by the way I’ll go to the second, to raise the GDP of the country!

              Quote: SPACE
              There is a war, economic, ideological, informational, both external and internal!

              You're right, the recovery process is ongoing, long and painful. In foreign policy, he is well done, but in the internal affairs of the Russian State for his third term, it is not very (I put it mildly). Just do not make an icon out of this person! Let the power vertical under his strict control still begin to work properly and turn to face the people, and not other parts of their genitals!
              Have you written anything? Will you please? All run to work!
              Good luck, friend! drinks
        3. Simon
          Simon 2 December 2013 17: 47
          +1
          The fact is that the dog even barks, but if there is no real driver, the caravan will go the other way, and may fall into the abyss. fool
      2. Civil
        Civil 2 December 2013 08: 17
        -6
        1. If you try to change the runway during the lifetime, the participants will either be drowned or driven to blood in prisons
        2. The gut is thin, in modern Russia there are not so many principled people.
        3. And there is no point in redistributing property.
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 2 December 2013 08: 39
          38
          Quote: Civil
          3. And there is no point in redistributing property.

          Let them cheat and steal further?
          It’s a very controversial statement, but this is not what I want to say.
          Putin .... Maybe he is good in some way. But in the economy he is either stupid "like a Siberian felt boot", or the same crook as all the brothers around him. How else to explain the fact that we are reducing health care costs by 43 billion rubles, we put 343 billion rubles in the reserve fund, we borrow abroad, increasing the external debt, and thereby increase the payment for servicing external debt by 45 billion rubles.
          I can’t understand this.
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          2. Civil
            Civil 2 December 2013 09: 58
            -7
            Baltic
            Yes, be right 100 times, but see point one and the salary of the security forces.
            1. kris
              kris 2 December 2013 10: 00
              0
              Quote: Civil
              Yes, be right 100 times, but see point one and the salary of the security forces.

              It was obvious.
            2. Simon
              Simon 2 December 2013 17: 57
              -1
              What vein is stuck? So go to the security forces. request
          3. Per se.
            Per se. 2 December 2013 10: 02
            15
            Quote: baltika-18
            I can’t understand this.
            To understand this, you need to know who is behind Putin and who is against him. Already distant 1999, December 31, 12 noon, Yeltsin announces his resignation from the post of President of the Russian Federation, saying that he is leaving not for health reasons, but for the totality of all problems, and asks for forgiveness from the citizens of Russia. The address is repeated on all major TV channels a few minutes before the New Year, with Putin congratulating him. Later, Putin will sign a decree guaranteeing the safety of Yelitsin and his family members. There is a lot of dark and incomprehensible in this story, but be Putin and "seven spans in the forehead", we can only guess what forces are opposing the revival of Russia, and these forces are not small. Who really protects Serdyukov, who protects Luzhkov? Some questions. Finally, the society itself, its attitude to reforms, when the majority does not go to the polls, thank you that at least Putin is in power and not Nemtsov. Finally, the same communists need to communicate more with the people, and it is not Gennady Andreyevich who should be offered from the party for the presidential elections in Russia.
          4. SPACE
            SPACE 2 December 2013 10: 27
            +5
            Quote: baltika-18
            Putin .... Maybe in some ways he is good.

            Michael hi there is progress in your judgments about Putin! If you are still impartial and really wish your country good, then try to think more deeply, the logic of circumstances is stronger than the logic of intentions, in my opinion, Stalin said this, this largely explains and dictates the actions of the current government, including ambiguous and contradictory ones. The main thing in this is to determine the main trend! ... "Putin .... Maybe in some ways he is good." If it is even a millimeter positively true! What conclusion follows from this ...?
            Quote: baltika-18
            I can’t understand this.

            For example, you have at home 100 rubles, in cash, such as res. fund, of course you can use them for your household needs, thereby you gradually squander them, but when hard times come you will no longer have them! Who will give them to you? Bank? But they too may have difficulty. Therefore, under the conditions the banking system is functioning normally, it is better for you to take money on credit for your needs, leaving your money in cash on the day when the banking system fails and you will have nowhere to get money. Of course, you have to pay for this, but many, not only individuals, but private small and very very large companies act this way, this allows you to survive various shocks. Is it necessary to explain at what miserable interest such loans cost the states? This was Wasserman explained.
            Well, corruption is a companion to any government, even the most democratic, and from time immemorial and even at home, it thrives when your son asks you for a bicycle for lessons learned. Not all corruption is evil, but in any case it is necessary to fight against it, and not to explain with it all the actions of the authorities. Agree stupidly to think and explain everything by the fact that there are only fools and thieves, just production costs.
          5. Andrey Skokovsky
            Andrey Skokovsky 2 December 2013 10: 28
            -4
            Quote: baltika-18
            Quote: Civil
            3. And there is no point in redistributing property.

            Let them cheat and steal further?
            It’s a very controversial statement, but this is not what I want to say.
            Putin .... Maybe he is good in some way. But in the economy he is either stupid "like a Siberian felt boot", or the same crook as all the brothers around him. How else to explain the fact that we are reducing health care costs by 43 billion rubles, we put 343 billion rubles in the reserve fund, we borrow abroad, increasing the external debt, and thereby increase the payment for servicing external debt by 45 billion rubles.
            I can’t understand this.

            you cannot understand because you attribute all these actions to the president, because you think that the power in the country is controlled by Putin by 100%, but this is not so
            basically everything that you wrote was done by liberals from the government, and the president has nothing to do with it
            1. kris
              kris 2 December 2013 15: 32
              +4
              Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
              basically everything that you wrote was done by liberals from the government, and the president has nothing to do with it

              well you made fun! laughing
              even frank Putiners have already stopped writing such frank crap here!
            2. baltika-18
              baltika-18 2 December 2013 19: 40
              +9
              Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
              basically everything that you wrote was done by liberals from the government, and the president has nothing to do with it

              Where is it with us then?
              The collapse of education, medicine, agricultural, utilities, hidden privatization ......
              He has nothing to do with it ....
              The prime minister was .... nothing to do with, President Medvedev is there, he is to blame.
              The president became, again, nothing to do with, again the Bear was to blame.
              Convenient position .... request
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          7. military
            military 2 December 2013 11: 13
            +8
            Quote: baltika-18
            Putin .... Maybe in some way he is good. But in the economy he is either stupid "like a Siberian felt boot", or the same swindler as all the brothers around him.

            and what formula seems more plausible to you yourself? ... "boots + crooks"? ... or "godfather + crooks"? ... wink
            1. baltika-18
              baltika-18 2 December 2013 15: 32
              10
              Quote: military
              and what formula seems more plausible to you? ... "boots + crooks"? ... or "godfather + crooks"?

              To be honest, I'm more inclined towards the second option. He clearly does not look like a pri.dur.ka, so "godfather + crooks", most likely.
          8. alone
            alone 2 December 2013 19: 11
            -1
            Quote: baltika-18
            But in the economy, he is either stupid "like a Siberian felt boot", or the same swindler as all the brothers around him. borrowing abroad, increasing the external debt, and thereby increasing the payment for servicing external debt by 43 billion rubles.
            I can’t understand this.


            Can you imagine a "stupid Siberian felt boot" in a special school of the KGB of the USSR? I just imagined for half an hour, but nothing happened. In the KGB, there were no stupid people, and could not be.
            1. Garrin
              Garrin 2 December 2013 21: 40
              +4
              Quote: lonely
              Can you imagine a "stupid Siberian felt boot" in a special school of the KGB of the USSR?

              I can. I will say more, I saw and knew many of these. Then, however, as now, a lot depended on the position of the parents.
            2. ale-x
              ale-x 3 December 2013 09: 40
              0
              Here you are mistaken ... hi
          9. Arti
            Arti 3 December 2013 03: 23
            -3
            Actually, you can immediately see that you are far from the economy.
            1. In economics, the more you owe, the better. Each takes a long time for specific projects, and its amount is calculated by smart people - in order to bring the project to plus.
            2. Investing in state. state bonds - we simply follow the spirit of the times, thus inciting us to cooperate and making the US leadership somewhat dependent.
            3. Keeping gold and foreign exchange reserves, we have significantly increased the stability of the terrible (raw material) economy, the ruble, as well as increased investment attractiveness. (Do you know, when the state has "loot", transnational companies and states are more willing to cooperate with it, logically saying - "as long as there is gold reserves, the economy will not collapse").
            4. In Russia at the moment there are not, or very few, companies capable of mastering the budget with high efficiency. And the best way to effectively invest in a country is to invest in a couple with international companies whose effectiveness is much higher than domestic ones. Thus, you immediately kill two, or even three, rabbits:
            a) The return on invested funds in the country's economy is increasing.
            b) The level and production culture in domestic companies is increasing.
            c) State risks are shared with investors.

            All these conclusions lie on the surface, but you and I are unlikely to find out what information the President actually uses when making decisions, therefore I think that our reasoning will never come close to the truth even by 60%.

            P.S.
            It seems to me that you should not be greedy. Stable growth - much better than momentary excess profits with high risks - you can not risk the future of Russia!
        2. Angry reader
          Angry reader 2 December 2013 19: 10
          +1
          Civil, are you not principled? ..))
          1. Civil
            Civil 3 December 2013 06: 55
            +2
            Quote: Angry Reader
            Civil, are you not principled? ..))

            He played his own in politics, equally far from Putin's and liberals. The policy of non-intervention. War is a matter for the young.
            1. Angry reader
              Angry reader 3 December 2013 16: 10
              0
              I do not agree with the "golden mean" and experience is what young people lack) .. so we ask .. hi
    2. Laserson
      Laserson 2 December 2013 06: 40
      -8
      Well, I would call Rogozin
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 2 December 2013 06: 49
        12
        Quote: Laserson
        Well, I would call Rogozin
        In my opinion he is more a talker and a self-PR man than a leader. Not on that scale. Lavrov, Shoigu, these are large-scale people to match Russia!
        1. does it
          does it 2 December 2013 07: 14
          +6
          No.
          Quote: bomg.77
          Lavrov, Shoigu, these are large-scale people to match Russia!

          Lavrov with Shoigu is not an alternative ....
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 2 December 2013 07: 27
            +1
            Quote: kvirit

            Quote: bomg.77
            Lavrov, Shoigu, these are large-scale people to match Russia!
            Lavrov with Shoigu is not an alternative ....
            Do you think they do not hold out?
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 2 December 2013 07: 30
            20
            Quote: kvirit
            Lavrov with Shoigu is not an alternative ....

            This is not an alternative, but a party of cards of one deck hi
            1. CTEPX
              CTEPX 2 December 2013 08: 37
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              This is not an alternative, but a party of cards of one deck

              But it seems that this is ours, the Russian deck)).
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood 2 December 2013 09: 04
                11
                Yeah, especially Serdyukov, Chubais, Kudrin and other cute characters.
                1. military
                  military 2 December 2013 11: 19
                  +8
                  Quote: Greenwood
                  Yeah, especially Serdyukov, Chubais, Kudrin and other cute characters.

                  Well, they answered you ... this is THEIR Russian deck ...
                2. CTEPX
                  CTEPX 2 December 2013 12: 32
                  0
                  Quote: Greenwood
                  Yeah, especially Serdyukov, Chubais, Kudrin and other cute characters.

                  Demagogue you, dear). It was about Putin, Kudrin and Shoigu.
                  1. Greenwood
                    Greenwood 2 December 2013 17: 15
                    +3
                    Quote: ctepx
                    It was about Putin, Kudrin and Shoigu.
                    But what about the rest? Are they kind of out of business?
                    1. CTEPX
                      CTEPX 2 December 2013 19: 55
                      -1
                      Quote: Greenwood
                      But what about the rest? Are they kind of out of business?

                      The rest, like, not from our, Russian, deck)). And from the decks of other players.
                    2. CTEPX
                      CTEPX 3 December 2013 05: 03
                      0
                      Quote: Greenwood
                      It was about Putin, Kudrin and Shoigu.

                      Heck! It was described, of course, it was about Putin, Lavrov and Shoigu)).
              2. military
                military 2 December 2013 11: 18
                0
                Quote: ctepx
                But it seems that this is ours, the Russian deck)).

                "looks like" ... so there is no certainty ...
                1. CTEPX
                  CTEPX 2 December 2013 12: 36
                  0
                  Quote: military
                  "looks like" ... so there is no certainty ...

                  Yeah)). But the game goes on and it is necessary to "play". Any cards)).
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            3. Arberes
              Arberes 2 December 2013 10: 49
              +5
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              This is not an alternative, but a party of cards of one deck

              How in preference? Well, let's say that Putin, poorly or well (as you like) in managing state affairs, has exhausted the terms of his presidency (even taking into account another second term), he will have to make another choice. There are already two ways of development of events; 1) Does he bring to light the God of his successor? 2) We will choose from those candidates who will offer their candidacy?
              The only question is what option will the people be offered?
              I want to add one more thought. Remember dear colleagues and friends the history of our state.
              How many leaders, leaders and general secretaries who ruled us have died and nothing is living for ourselves!
              Good day to all hi
              1. military
                military 2 December 2013 11: 25
                +6
                Quote: Arberes
                The only question is what option will the people be offered?

                third...
                HE simply does not go anywhere ... the Constitution does not allow? ... I see no problems! ... to hell with it ... "stability" is above all, isn't it? ...
                1. Arberes
                  Arberes 2 December 2013 12: 20
                  +1
                  Quote: military
                  third...
                  HE simply does not go anywhere ... the Constitution does not allow? ... I see no problems! ... to hell with it ... "stability" is above all, isn't it? ...

                  You do not exclude such a scenario? Wait and see! drinks
          3. DimychDV
            DimychDV 2 December 2013 08: 06
            -1
            I think the scale comes to people as the scale and responsibility of the tasks they solve grows. So Shoigu quite looks like a real politician - but it was a pity he was even transferred from the Ministry of Emergencies. I am sure that among the presidential candidates he is a real figure. Lavrov - as a Foreign Minister, is quite in its place and even cute. And where else is it, in the General Secretary?
            But there really is no other person among the Kremlin. In our Far East, somehow Shuvalov arranged an Internet collection of proposals from Primorye residents - what needs to be improved, what projects - write the current. But I forgot that we, the Internet addicts, have the main corn, as well as his - on the butt. Ask not the "smart ones", but those who KNOW HOW!
            And efficient people, as a rule, have no time to sour at the computer - there are more interesting things to do.
            If only now someone interested would not substitute Sergey Kuzhugetovich’s leg.
          4. POMA
            POMA 2 December 2013 16: 13
            +1
            Churkin Vitaliy Ivanovich - Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the UN and Representative of the Russian Federation to the UN Security Council. Especially when rodents climbed into Ossetia. There are simply not enough words how he smashed them there to smithereens.
            1. alone
              alone 2 December 2013 19: 14
              -2
              Quote: POMA
              Churkin Vitaliy Ivanovich - Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the UN and Representative of the Russian Federation to the UN Security Council. Especially when rodents climbed into Ossetia. There are simply not enough words how he smashed them there to smithereens.


              The representative of Russia at the UN merely voices what he is being told. Churkin is a diplomat, not the leader of self-made work. He is used to waiting for an order that he can tell. Such can not be presidents.
        2. Angry reader
          Angry reader 2 December 2013 19: 10
          0
          Rogozin is growing up)
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 2 December 2013 21: 02
            +1
            he never grows up ... hi
            1. Angry reader
              Angry reader 2 December 2013 21: 18
              0
              are you arguing? ..or so ... by air?))
          2. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 2 December 2013 21: 12
            +3
            Quote: Angry Reader
            Rogozin is growing up)

            Yeah - growing up ...
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            2. Angry reader
              Angry reader 2 December 2013 21: 24
              0
              ...AND? I’m embarrassed to ask .. what?))
            3. ale-x
              ale-x 3 December 2013 09: 45
              0
              Isn’t he going to go to the machine? The folder is beautifully taught to speak - it is now in price. Is the surname correct? Correct! Go ahead, young man ....
              1. Angry reader
                Angry reader 3 December 2013 16: 11
                0
                Well, you certainly would have put your son behind a broom, huh? ..)
    3. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 2 December 2013 06: 42
      -1
      Quote: Canep
      I think in Russia there is no alternative to Putin yet.


      I will say even more, carefully looking at what is called the political elite, we can say that it is not visible not in the near not in the distant future.
      1. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 2 December 2013 07: 41
        16
        Sakhalinets (2)
        I will say even more, carefully looking at what is called the political elite, we can say that it is not visible not in the near not in the distant future.


        The fact that there is no political elite capable of replacing Putin and Co. is a bad "indicator of the work" of Putin in public administration in terms of preparing a change of leaders worthy of Russia.
        "Putin's substitute" in the post of President - Medvedev, there is a parody of the leader of Russia.
        Here is an indicator of Putin’s work.
        1. CTEPX
          CTEPX 2 December 2013 08: 45
          +3
          Quote: vladimirZ
          Medvedev, there is a parody of the leader of Russia. Here is an indicator of Putin's work.

          Read the above excerpt from the newspaper "Tomorrow" and imagine that Medvedev is a parody - this is an alternative to the forecasts of 2005)).
          Special thanks to Captain45!
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      2. uyrii67
        uyrii67 2 December 2013 07: 51
        +4
        Maksimych (Primakov), but age.
      3. Greenwood
        Greenwood 2 December 2013 08: 39
        27
        But how many knew Putin back in the 98-99th years, before his direct rise to power? He was an unknown pawn who worked in the administration of Sobchak. So now, the fact that no one sees worthy people does not mean that they are not there.
        1. little man
          little man 2 December 2013 10: 02
          +6
          Well said. hi
          1. Angry reader
            Angry reader 2 December 2013 20: 00
            +2
            I would not like to live in the period of searching and meeting new "worthy" at the helm.
            If the Green Men (collective image) "treba extreme" - bring down to Kiev for permanent residence.
        2. Eugeniy_369
          Eugeniy_369 2 December 2013 10: 03
          +8
          Quote: Greenwood
          But how many knew Putin back in the 98-99th years, before his direct rise to power? He was an unknown pawn who worked in the administration of Sobchak. So now, the fact that no one sees worthy people does not mean that they are not there.

          Oh in vain ... In articles about VV Putin on this forum or you need to write good or nothing lol .
          They are pecking ...
          1. Horde
            Horde 2 December 2013 10: 19
            13
            Quote: Eugeniy_369
            Oh in vain ... In articles about VV Putin on this forum or good to write or nothing.
            They are pecking.


            do not be scared...
            1. Eugeniy_369
              Eugeniy_369 2 December 2013 11: 06
              +8
              Quote: Horde
              do not be scared...

              Yes, somehow I do not suffer from enuresis bully .
              And for the support (albeit virtual) thanks wink !!!
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            1. corn
              corn 2 December 2013 11: 12
              +8
              Andrey Skokovsky
              Quote: ... practically did not read constructive criticism of Putin.
              And here are the answers:
              In the absence of an alternative.
              1.zvereok
              Scorched Earth Tactics. And who is that arsonist?
              2. The Jesuit use of the Constitution article on two terms.
              3. Increasing the term of office.
              4. The liquidation of the election of governors, and this is a forge of cadres for the presidency. (True, they have returned it now, but in a truncated form, in the light of the 2 terms of 6 years are not relevant at the moment).
              This is part of the issues of state building and the directions of further development of the state, the result of which will be a simple thing: will the authorities hear us, the people, or will they hear only what she wants.
              Somewhere like that
              1. Andrey Skokovsky
                Andrey Skokovsky 2 December 2013 14: 28
                -3
                Quote: corn
                Andrey Skokovsky
                Quote: ... practically did not read constructive criticism of Putin.
                And here are the answers:
                In the absence of an alternative.
                1.zvereok
                Scorched Earth Tactics. And who is that arsonist?
                2. The Jesuit use of the Constitution article on two terms.
                3. Increasing the term of office.
                4. The liquidation of the election of governors, and this is a forge of cadres for the presidency. (True, they have returned it now, but in a truncated form, in the light of the 2 terms of 6 years are not relevant at the moment).
                This is part of the issues of state building and the directions of further development of the state, the result of which will be a simple thing: will the authorities hear us, the people, or will they hear only what she wants.
                Somewhere like that

                1 did not understand, your comparison is so wide that the original meaning does not reach me

                2 Sorry, but what's so super boop harmful to the country ??? in my opinion, this restriction inscribed by the Americans should be removed altogether
                and why is the Jesuit ??? some kind of strange criticism

                3 the reduction in the term of office prevents the implementation of strategic projects for the development of the country, a person simply does not have time to do something concrete, not without reason that after he managed to push this decision, the whole liberal party raised a wild howl, in my opinion 6 is not enough, it takes years 8- 10 do, it will contribute to the stability of power in the country

                4 the election of governors was pushed by liberals and the State Department, for them it is a method of penetrating power and swaying destabilizing the situation in the regions of a huge country, it is strange that you don’t even understand this

                5 Give an example of countries where this very sinecure exists and the government "hears" the people?
                In the United States, recently at demonstrations with the people, the American establishment talked, I hope the people there are not very hurt. in France recently on the "alternative" 20 thousand demonstration was, strongly heard? in England in general for centuries as an example of dialogue
                your phrase "the power hears the people" in this case is nothing more than populism and it has nothing to do with the real mechanisms existing in society and the world
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          4. Arberes
            Arberes 2 December 2013 12: 53
            +4
            Quote: Eugeniy_369

            Oh in vain ... In articles about VV Putin on this forum or good to write or nothing.
            They are pecking ...

            Well, we are not fighting for ratings here, but for minds! Although you are right, dear Eugeniy_369 drinks
            Quote: Horde
            do not be scared...

            SAME-FRIEND! drinks
          5. POMA
            POMA 2 December 2013 16: 21
            +3
            No, they are more likely to peck who is behind Putin. On the last thread he wrote that he voted for the GDP, so he turned out to be a sergeant from the foreman again, I will soon be an ordinary, and I’ll go off in the negative.
          6. Greenwood
            Greenwood 2 December 2013 17: 17
            +5
            Quote: Eugeniy_369
            about V.V. Putin on this forum or you need to write good or nothing
            He has not yet died, so that only good things can be written about him or nothing. We will write everything we think. wink
            1. Angry reader
              Angry reader 2 December 2013 19: 17
              +1
              Do something better than the object of criticism, and then -... feel free to pour out
          7. Angry reader
            Angry reader 2 December 2013 19: 15
            0
            Argue, critic)
          8. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 2 December 2013 21: 31
            +4
            Quote: Eugeniy_369
            Oh in vain ... In articles about VV Putin on this forum or good to write or nothing.
            They are pecking ...

            Well, not so scary ...
            The main thing is that your arguments were "sane".
            Some Western bastard once blurted out like "... ready to die for your right to speak freely ..."
            I'm not going to die (it's for God to decide), but listening to my opponent or colleague - with pleasure. Then we "come" here.
            hi
        3. Cherdak
          Cherdak 2 December 2013 15: 42
          0
          Quote: Greenwood
          But how many knew Putin back in the 98-99th years


          Honestly, right after his presentation of EBN, I simply could not stand it, it was enough to hear that during his work in the Leningrad KGB he wore the nickname Moth among his colleagues.

          But quietly, the GDP turned around, began to speak distinctly, began to break the ropes for which it was intended to be pulled and pinched the testicles to a number of especially bursting ones. Then he became interesting to me. And when he calmly reacted to the slop that was poured on him from all sides, then he respected him.

          It seems to me that this is the last term for GDP. It is noticeable that he is tired, but wants to leave a normal mark on history. In a year or two, 2-3 unknown 40-45-year-olds will appear in the sky, whom he will "grow" and evaluate.

          And with the LADIES, he outplayed himself. This quasi-nanopresident, who was planned as a backdrop (ie, a background, don't think anything bad) to improve the "positivity" of the GDP, turned out to be a complete mudak, who poked himself "the chosen one" and made such a mess that Serdyukov is just a holy virgin in front of him.

          I hope that the bad experience with DAM will benefit VVP. He has almost fulfilled his role, there is little left - to learn from the West how to fully use the police force to establish "constitutional order" and deal with the media. And it's not a joke
      4. zvereok
        zvereok 2 December 2013 10: 33
        +4
        [quote = Sakhalin] I will say even more, carefully looking at what is called the political elite, we can say that it is not visible not in the near not in the distant future. [/ quote]
        [quote = Sakhalin] [quote = Canep] I think in Russia there is no alternative to Putin yet. [/ quote]

        Scorched Earth Tactics. And who is that arsonist?
      5. Arberes
        Arberes 2 December 2013 11: 22
        +8
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        I will say even more, carefully looking at what is called the political elite, we can say that it is not visible not in the near not in the distant future.

        Are they all in the deep shadow of a sun-like?
      6. military
        military 2 December 2013 11: 32
        +6
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        Quote: Canep
        I think in Russia there is no alternative to Putin yet.

        I will say even more, carefully looking at what is called the political elite, we can say that it is not visible not in the near not in the distant future.

        and why did this happen? ... "ridiculous accident"? ... fatal inevitability (degeneration)? ... the natural result of the purposeful activity of a specific individual invested with power? ...
    4. horoh
      horoh 2 December 2013 06: 52
      18
      There is an alternative to GDP, I would put Musin and Ivashov. But today, there are a lot of questions to GDP, especially on the internal problems of our Motherland. In particular, why are thieves and traitors still holding top positions in the country's leadership ???
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 2 December 2013 07: 32
        +5
        [quote = horoh] There is an alternative to GDP, I would put Musin and Ivashov [/ quote]
        Well, with Ivashov it’s clear, but Musin is here sideways? [Quote = horoh]. But today there are many questions to GDP, especially on the internal problems of our country. [/ Quote]
        Will Ivashov and Musin come and immediately solve all the problems? [Quote = horoh].
        1. sashka
          sashka 2 December 2013 10: 07
          +8
          What is the difference between SMART MAN and WISE? One can find a way out of any situation. And the other will not allow such a situation from which it is necessary to look for a way out. Everything is simple ..
          1. fisherman
            fisherman 3 December 2013 07: 36
            0
            What is the difference between SMART MAN and WISE


            great, it means that you know life well

            I’m sure, when reading your next comments, I will see you among the supporters of the evolutionary development of the country, and not among the supporters of the revolution :)
            1. sashka
              sashka 4 December 2013 17: 32
              0
              Not sure .. I don’t know .. For me, shit is always it ..
            2. sashka
              sashka 4 December 2013 19: 05
              0
              Quote: fisherman
              supporters of the evolutionary development of the country

              I did not recognize before, and even more so now .. I DO NOT SEE a Person who is sick and Survives the Country ..
            3. sashka
              sashka 4 December 2013 21: 28
              0
              Quote: fisherman
              great, it means that you know life well

              Not a fact .. No one knows Jien .. All this is nonsense .. People respect death .. And they don’t value Life. Strange and stupid ..
      2. Greenwood
        Greenwood 2 December 2013 08: 40
        10
        Thieves and traitors pulled Putin into power, so what claims to him, I do not understand. He is completely and completely their man, only tries to maintain his cool image everywhere. But at the same time, he will not displace anyone, plant, arrest, etc.
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 2 December 2013 08: 54
          +6
          Bright examples pass me by - Serdyukov with Chubais. As well as monuments to Yeltsin and Gaidar.
          1. sashka
            sashka 4 December 2013 17: 48
            +1
            Quote: Greenwood
            Bright examples pass me

            These are not vivid examples .. It's just revenge when there is nothing to say ..
          2. sashka
            sashka 4 December 2013 17: 48
            0
            Quote: Greenwood
            Bright examples pass me

            These are not vivid examples .. It's just revenge when there is nothing to say ..
            Ask vaf. He’ll explain everything clearly .. Sorry, the earring, I’m sorry for the setup .. We got it ..
        2. CTEPX
          CTEPX 2 December 2013 12: 42
          -5
          Quote: Greenwood
          Thieves and traitors pulled Putin into power

          Are you talking about Primakov?))
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 3 December 2013 09: 08
            +3
            Quote: ctepx
            Thieves and traitors pulled Putin into power
            Are you talking about Primakov?))

            No, it's about Chubais and Borodin.
            You do not know how Putin got to Moscow?
            1. CTEPX
              CTEPX 3 December 2013 09: 26
              0
              Quote: baltika-18
              You do not know how Putin got to Moscow?

              And why did you decide that the generally accepted version is true?))
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        4. fisherman
          fisherman 3 December 2013 07: 48
          -3
          You are much wiser than all those neo-prophets and newly appeared oracles, whom the author of the article so subtly made fun of :)

          here (on the topwar), however, there are also a lot of them
        5. sashka
          sashka 4 December 2013 15: 52
          +1
          [quote = Greenwood] Thieves and traitors pulled Putin into power, so what claims to him, I do not understand.
          ? not understanding further Do you want to answer for the Whole Country? FOR THE PROBLEMS ARE NOT SOLVED IN THE SKILLS, Agree .. The rest of the movements I do not approve .. Then you have to fight against you. And we will have to kill you .. These are the realities of life .. You will lose .. In Russia you have nothing to do ..
      3. Valkyrie
        Valkyrie 2 December 2013 08: 57
        +1
        At the expense of Ivashov I agree. His strategy is clear. Intelligent person, literate. Strong personality.
        1. Bigriver
          Bigriver 2 December 2013 10: 09
          +8
          Quote: Valkyrie
          At the expense of Ivashov I agree. His strategy is clear. Intelligent person, literate. Strong personality.

          Ага.
          Platoon, company, battalion .., did not command anything. Well, it doesn’t matter fellow
          But a real apparatchik who knows how to burn with a verb!
        2. sashka
          sashka 2 December 2013 10: 34
          +4
          Quote: Valkyrie
          Strong personality.

          So they are in prison .. Any questions?
      4. Troitsky
        Troitsky 2 December 2013 12: 20
        0
        Well, we can assume that they belong to the "caste of the untouchable", which we had in general all history. Under Peter Menshikov, Under Stalin Letvinov, as an example.
    5. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 2 December 2013 06: 54
      -7
      Quote: Canep
      I think in Russia there is no alternative to Putin yet.

      In the distant future, Rogozin may be, but he is not very young either.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 2 December 2013 07: 33
        +6
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        In the distant future, Rogozin may be, but he is not very young either.

        We only yap for the president left to choose to complete happiness.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 2 December 2013 14: 00
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          We only yap for the president left to choose to complete happiness.

          Have not you chosen yet?
          1. cenych
            cenych 2 December 2013 14: 39
            0
            In my opinion you have not been chosen yet.
            Well, in the picture, hmm, it’s just an agitation of novice liberalists who claim that Putin should be a fairy fairy and nothing else. Give them only the will to shout about corruption.

            In 2012, over 6 thousand corrupt officials were convicted in Russia, of which about 500 people were sentenced to imprisonment. At the same time, about a third of the convicts were punished for giving a bribe. The maximum sentences were from 8 to 10 years (8 convicts received them).



            1. military
              military 2 December 2013 15: 13
              +6
              Quote: cenych
              For 2012 in Russia Over 6 thousand corrupt officials were convicted, of which sentenced to imprisonment about 500 people. At the same time, about a third of the convicts were punished for giving a bribe. The maximum sentences were from 8 to 10 years (8 convicts received them).

              but it should have been like that ...
              "More than 6 thousand corrupt officials were convicted ... of them 8 thousand were sentenced to imprisonment for a term of 10 to 5,5 years ... 500 corrupt officials were sentenced to capital punishment (sentences were carried out) ... property and bank accounts of the convicted and members of their families were arrested and transferred to the state's income ... "
              it is precisely to such a guarantor that people would reach today ...
              1. Sour
                Sour 2 December 2013 16: 24
                -4
                Quote: military
                it is precisely to such a guarantor that people would reach today ...

                I agree with you.
                Our people do not even give a damn about their own life, if only there were more landings and executions.
                We have such a mentality - "the problem is not that I live poorly, but that my neighbor lives better than me; if I shoot him or dispossess him, it would be great, I would feel better right away."
                So you are right. The people would reach out.
                1. military
                  military 2 December 2013 17: 17
                  +4
                  Quote: Sour

                  I agree with you ... People would reach out.

                  well, thank god! ... and the rest is demagogy ...
                  1. Sour
                    Sour 2 December 2013 20: 53
                    0
                    Quote: military
                    the rest is demagogy ...

                    These are your mantras about executions - demagogy. And the most primitive. Such things are always offered by those who can offer nothing more, due to complete ignorance of real life.
              2. cenych
                cenych 2 December 2013 16: 48
                0
                And it will be like in liberal fairy tales: half the country is sitting - the other half is guarding. Some kind of strange desire for sit-rounds and executions, straightforward marginal thinking.
                1. military
                  military 3 December 2013 10: 42
                  +3
                  Quote: cenych
                  And it will be like in liberal fairy tales: half the country is sitting - the other half is guarding.

                  a very primitive horror story, clearly hatched in the depths of corruption itself ... laughing
                  do not believe everything you are told ...
                  a demonstration shooting (under the TV cameras of the media) of hundreds or two of corrupt officials with coverage of the procedure for expropriation of everything "acquired by back-breaking labor" from their family members will have a rather sobering effect on this crook ... no "fairy tale" is needed ...
                  1. cenych
                    cenych 4 December 2013 12: 13
                    0
                    In China, they shoot, but that's just not all stop stealing there.
              3. fisherman
                fisherman 3 December 2013 07: 52
                -1
                but it should have been like that ...
                "Over 6 thousand corrupt officials have been convicted ...


                those. with the general direction you agree, but with the sufficiency - no? :)
                1. military
                  military 3 December 2013 11: 44
                  +2
                  Quote: fisherman

                  those. with the general direction you agree, but with the sufficiency - no? :)

                  and 8 adequate terms for more than 6 thousand corrupt officials - is it "sufficiency"? ... and how many of these 500-hundred convicts "shake" suspended sentences? ... there is generally interesting arithmetic ... 6 thousand "were convicted "... a third of them (about 2 thousand) are" punished "... the rest (4 thousand), obviously," convicted ... but not punished "? ...
                  and how many of these 6 thousand (and members of their families who were fattening on corruption incomes) came under confiscation? ...
                  and whose "mentality" in our country stubbornly does not allow the implementation of the postulate "A thief should sit in jail!"?...
                  1. fisherman
                    fisherman 3 December 2013 13: 47
                    0
                    and whose "mentality" in our country stubbornly does not allow the implementation of the postulate "A thief should be in prison!"? ...


                    how is it? the same one that began to penetrate the broad working masses in the 60s and 70s of the last century, then they decided to lead this discontent, take control, calling it "perestroika and acceleration" (remember how we all accelerated), then this pregnancy in the West was called a harmonious concept: "wind of change" and so on

                    Belarus is a beautiful country, there are few thieves, even very few

                    there is only one small problem: namely, part of the population does not like domestic goods and services, but loves the western way of life

                    it should be noted that the number of these people is such that from time to time the authorities have to drown their national currency against the damned dollar, so they limit the increasingly increasing appetites of these strange people

                    we have these strange people began to appear in the 60s, called them speculators, waiters, dudes, farmers, and the like

                    so this problem is a little deeper than burials, it is not surprising that in China these strange people continue to "resurrect", they are being shot and shot, and they are resurrected and resurrected

                    as for closed societies (Old Believer communities, for example, or Soviet society), they have one big advantage:

                    the most gullible part of society (that is, children and adolescents) are rigidly protected from pernicious influence from the outside, since there is absolutely no critical beginning in their heads ("they behave like suckers to any nonsense, even d..e..b..il. .b ..y..th set of phrases ")

                    and one big drawback (arising precisely from the big advantage), namely: over time, the whole society horizontally (from Kaliningrad to Chukotka) and vertically (from the cook to the Secretary General) become naive and trusting, like ...

                    like the same suckers, for examples, I refer to the activities of political and economic clowns: Khrushchev and Yeltsin

                    as examples, you can also use the massive schizophrenia that swept our country in the early 90s

                    MASS

                    this is when our company sold in the bud for bright western packaging, without even bothering to read the instructions

                    this is called vaccination; in closed societies it cannot be obtained

                    and you need to shoot, this is my private (subjective) opinion

                    although I understand perfectly well that this is not only an insufficient condition (necessary and sufficient, in other words, a vector and the length of a vector), but it is not even necessary :)

                    sinful, but I have my own weaknesses for these

                    "people" :)
                    1. military
                      military 3 December 2013 17: 03
                      +2
                      today "strange people" are sitting in the current government at every step ... at all the steps of the pyramid ...
                      and on the political Olympus "weirdest people" are sitting, and society should not expect from them active actions to limit the appetites of their colleagues, who have settled down steps ...
                      and they perfectly understand that today society is more and more clearly aware of the existing order of things ... and they see in society a latent threat to their existence ... and a protective mechanism is triggered ... "stability" ... "national idea" ... that anything just to sit ...
                      1. fisherman
                        fisherman 3 December 2013 18: 53
                        +1
                        As far as I understand, you are one of those "believers" who do not brush off specks and dust from the icons of the Sun-like king, but stick needles there? :)

                        vector in the other direction, but the magnitude is the same

                        today "strange people" are sitting in the current government at every step ... at all the steps of the pyramid ...


                        presidents are just diverting nozzles, ailerons and something like that

                        The creative nature (subject) of the historical process is the broad masses of the population, i.e. in other words, the bottom of the corruption pyramid that you presented does not end with the bureaucratic step

                        unfortunately things are much worse

                        this pyramid goes much lower, in Soviet times, the corruption component could be identified before the district committees and city committees (Komsomol leaders could be neglected for a while), and below was almost perfect cleanliness

                        now society is polluted much wider and deeper, down to district and teachers

                        anecdote from the people: "As a result of a sociological survey, it turned out that 85% of the population consider all officials, businessmen, deputies to be thieves and swindlers, while 85% of the respondents would like to be in their place"

                        therefore, this hydra always grows a new head, or two

                        We have already spoken about closed societies

                        "there are easy decisions, but there are right decisions"
                      2. military
                        military 4 December 2013 10: 50
                        +1
                        Quote: fisherman
                        As far as I understand, you are one of those "believers" who do not brush off specks and dust from the icons of the Sun-like king, but stick needles there? :)

                        acupuncture does not help this patient ... a Filipino healer is required ...
                        Quote: fisherman
                        presidents are just diverting nozzles, ailerons and something like that

                        brake flaps ... ballast tanks ...
                        Quote: fisherman
                        unfortunately things are much worse
                        this pyramid goes much lower

                        the more e.r.p.m.a accumulates at the top, the greater the pressure at the base of the pyramid and deeper its sediment ...
                      3. fisherman
                        fisherman 4 December 2013 13: 43
                        0
                        the more e.r.p.m.a accumulates at the top, the greater the pressure at the base of the pyramid and deeper its sediment ...


                        in modern Russia there are two fundamentally different points of view on the way of harmonizing everything and everything ... the first (so-called - liberal) is that an earthly paradise can be built - if you start this construction from TOP - that is, replacing a bad ruler with a good one ... he will appoint good managers-officials-judges-police-doctors-teachers-kindergarten educators .......

                        it should be noted right away that in the 90s she suddenly began to adhere to the opposite direction - urging the broad masses to stop reforming the Kremlin - that is, the ruler is already good in their opinion - and the invisible hand of the market will put everything in order - including turning the Soviet society into a Western society)

                        the second (let's call it simplicity - Narodism) that earthly paradise can only be built LOWER ... that is, learn how to clean the fish properly - that is, grab your head and strip off the scales ... it doesn’t matter if your head is rotten - you can throw it away ... the main thing - these are mothers and fathers-kindergarten educators-teachers-doctors-police -................ to the very top ...

                        in this case - the head is NOT IMPORTANT - as it is now in the Western world - Reagans-Bush-Clintons ......... if-shredders-Merkel ........ it's all transitory ... and the cleanliness of the boulevards - street-entrances -..... that is, the mentality of the whole society - the value is very stable and lasting ... it is a constant - independent of the variable (presidents)
                        not only that, it’s also the dominant ... because only the people are CREATIVE NATURES - and hides their main role as the driving force of the historical process by cooling the power or erecting monuments ... that is, what images of presidents and comments on them will be stored memory (in the memory of the people) depends only on this hard-to-know NATURE ... the presidents themselves can only guess their future ... and the devil knows about himself :))

                        Confucius himself believed that it would take at least one generation ... in general, the "theory of small matters" plus the "sacrificial generation" ... at least one

                        "there is a bright life - and there is a long life"

                        "there are easy decisions - but there are right ones"

                        "quick success from the evil one"

                        "only cats will be born quickly"


                        brake flaps ... ballast tanks ..


                        and the engine is the people, this is the main thrust, many deflecting forces act on the bullet or shell, and let them act, the people will choose the path

                        when ripe, he is now not so silly, joyfully waving cilia, at the sight of a Western sweetie

                        now he is only pretending to be a fool

                        the future goes only where the secret desires of the people and the proclaimed Wishlist of the next king coincide

                        otherwise obvious or hidden sabotage, remember how we all accelerated, how we rebuilt, or remember how we all stopped drinking :)

                        we will also not love the next king, this is a prerequisite for the people who would not say or promise :)
        2. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 2 December 2013 17: 43
          +1
          Quote: cenych
          straight propaganda novice liberalists
          Well, where without the liberals and the State Department ... laughing
          Liberasts are so bad - they attack the lamp, collecting its quotes on a certain topic in one place, and offering to compare what was said with reality, and this is mean! laughing

          claiming that Putin should be a fairy fairy and nothing else
          If compliance with the Constitution means for Putin to be a fairy, then yes - he should be.

          Give them only the will to shout about corruption
          Why shout about her? This Vova likes to chat about her fight once or twice a year, while repeating from time to time.

          In 2012, over 6 thousand corrupt officials were convicted in Russia, of which about 500 people were sentenced to imprisonment. At the same time, about a third of the convicts were punished for giving a bribe. The maximum sentences were from 8 to 10 years (8 convicts received them)
          Has something changed after that?

          "Entering residential buildings" - which ones? Is this housing social or commercial?

          "The number of families registered and received living quarters" - what kind of premises - apartments, or dorm rooms? Due to what the number of people on the waiting list is reduced and new ones do not appear - due to the fact that all huts are given, or due to the reduction of the population and refusal to enter the queue on formal grounds?

          "the dynamics of average prices ..." - and what about Vova? Perhaps in the form of a defender of neoliberal market principles.
    6. sashka
      sashka 4 December 2013 20: 41
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      We only yap for the president left to choose to complete happiness.

      But it already exists .. Who cares who will lie to you? Possible options?
    7. sashka
      sashka 6 December 2013 10: 54
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      We only yap for the president left to choose to complete happiness.

      Now isn't it?
    8. sashka
      sashka 6 December 2013 10: 54
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      We only yap for the president left to choose to complete happiness.

      Now isn't it?
  2. Greenwood
    Greenwood 2 December 2013 08: 41
    +8
    Rogozin is a political yap, playing his own rating on the Internet and having fun on Twitter.
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 2 December 2013 20: 04
      -3
      Quote: Greenwood
      Rogozin - political yap

      If not Putin, Lavrov, Shoigu, Rogozin ...
      If not Kudrin, Chubais, Serdyukov ...
      That ... I'm afraid to guess ...
      Bulk?))
      1. sashka
        sashka 4 December 2013 20: 47
        0
        I think Lavrov .. Smart and the Honor of Russia "observes". As in this bandit state. express your thought? I DO NOT SEE other options.
  • Horde
    Horde 2 December 2013 07: 25
    +9
    Quote: Canep
    I think in Russia there is no alternative to Putin yet.


    at least put a monkey in the bulk of power into the monkey, the next day it will already look like the most respectable politician to take Obama or Medvedev.
    Seriously, it’s necessary to put in power RUSSIAN people who love their people and their country, who don’t give away China and Kazakhstan to their territories, the person who carried out the RESPONSIBLE DEMOGRAPHIC POLICY, and not, like Putin flooded Russia with non-Russians, it is necessary to put a person NON-PRIVATE for FINANCE because everyone from there is TWO-SINGLE thieves and scammers who have ONE GOD - GOLDEN CARTON.
    I vote for Yuri Ignatievich Mukhin, a historian, writer.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 2 December 2013 07: 33
      0
      Quote: Horde
      I vote for Yuri Ignatievich Mukhin - historian, writer

      And what does he offer?
      1. Horde
        Horde 2 December 2013 07: 41
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And what does he offer?


        at this stage, the ARMY OF WILL OF THE PEOPLE — his party is fighting for JUSTICE at the highest level, when NO POLICY can be avoided from RESPONSIBILITY for committed acts vote of the people, CONDEMN or ENCOURAGE the policy for acts by voting is very reasonable and fair.
        In the future, the UNION of a split country into a single and much more ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 2 December 2013 07: 54
          0
          Quote: Horde
          . vote of the people, CONDEMN or ENCOURAGE the policy for acts by voting - very reasonable

          I watched an American film about 10 years ago. So there was a story about people sitting at home watching the court and then voting, executing or pardoning. Everything ended in this film very badly.
          1. Horde
            Horde 2 December 2013 08: 38
            +7
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I watched 10 years ago an American movie


            do not read the Russian press and do not watch American films, especially documentaries — if you want to have a balanced psyche, well, if you are watching, they NEVER believe or repeat what these heroes are doing there, these are dead ends of culture.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 2 December 2013 08: 51
              0
              Quote: Horde
              , well, if you look holivat, then NEVER believe and do not repeat

              Alas, it’s you who are repeating Hollywood now, it’s not strange, but it is so. You offer what was filmed in Hollywood 10 years ago request
              1. Horde
                Horde 2 December 2013 10: 02
                +2
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Alas, it’s you who are repeating Hollywood now, it’s not strange, but it is so. You offer what was filmed in Hollywood 10 years ago



                in general, this "factory" has appropriated all the world heroism, but as Zadornov said, the chair does not always break from the blow of a chair on the head laughing
              2. sashka
                sashka 4 December 2013 21: 02
                0
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Alas, it is you who are repeating Hollywood right now,

                Honestly you are blacks now not in honor .. Blue roofing felts are blue roofing felts .. Respecting you I do not respect your author .. I can’t even see that ..
            2. olviko
              olviko 2 December 2013 10: 07
              +3
              "want to have a balanced psyche"

              It is difficult to have a balanced psyche, living in a madhouse called "modern society", and no Hollywood is needed here.
        2. Bigriver
          Bigriver 2 December 2013 10: 18
          0
          Quote: Horde.

          In the future, the UNION of a split country into a single and much more ...

          Ochlocracy can unite something there?
          Well, that doesn't matter, right? The main thing is that people like these speeches.
          1. Horde
            Horde 2 December 2013 10: 25
            +1
            Quote: BigRiver
            Ochlocracy can unite something there?


            there is not much choice, either for or against ...
    2. Eugeniy_369
      Eugeniy_369 2 December 2013 10: 06
      +5
      Quote: Horde
      at least put a monkey in power in power, the next day it will already look like the most respectable politician

      Only no one will allow the alternative and the nearness when Solntselik is alive.
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    3. sashka
      sashka 4 December 2013 21: 12
      0
      Quote: Horde
      bulk alternative to power at least put a monkey
      .. SOMETHING CHANGED? Agree that no ..
  • kris
    kris 2 December 2013 09: 08
    10
    BRAVO to Putin's asam public relations (public relations).
    driving people into the brain of the tale of Putin's irreplaceability is at an accelerated pace.

    PS but even in our forum it is clear that fewer people are being led to this bullshit.
    1. queen
      queen 2 December 2013 10: 00
      +8
      Quote: kris
      driving people into the brain of the tale of Putin's irreplaceability is at an accelerated pace.

      Pu is good at training .... that’s not replaceable.
      1. Arberes
        Arberes 2 December 2013 11: 18
        +4
        Quote: kris
        driving people into the brain of the tale of Putin's irreplaceability is at an accelerated pace.

        Plus, dear kris (8), for what you notice and do not succumb to zombies! drinks
        Quote: regin
        Pu is good at training .... that’s not replaceable.

        Yes, in my opinion he is now a trainer himself ??? There is another option: the FATHER OF RUSSIAN democracy?
        Good day to you, dear queen hi
        1. queen
          queen 2 December 2013 12: 22
          +6
          Quote: Arberes
          Yes, in my opinion he is now a trainer himself

          And you are kind. Yes, I don’t think. For 14 years, he would not be able to humiliate the RUSSIAN population so much. Even with the EB it didn’t reach that point, but I generally keep quiet about the toilet, I understand who we feed and what it will result in .
    2. optimist
      optimist 2 December 2013 10: 05
      12
      Quote: kris
      BRAVO to Putin's asam PR (piarasam). Driving people into the brain of a fairy tale about Putin's irreplaceability goes at an accelerated pace.

      You are absolutely right! It is alarming that such articles on the topic "Do not leave us, dear father!" becomes more and more, there is a banal zombie of people. They scare us back to the 90s, disintegration, etc. For the time being, at the very least, the current system is carried out by the social. commitment, everything will be under relative control. But as soon as the current system fails (and this, most likely, will happen already next year), those ... opolysis who sang odes to the "guarantor" will be the first to curse and curse him.
      1. fisherman
        fisherman 3 December 2013 08: 04
        -1
        those who sang odes to the "guarantor" will be the first to curse and curse him.


        Optimist, good morning :)

        do not you think that schizophrenia is generally inherent in the so-called political instructors and political scientists?

        and others "holding their nose to the wind"? :)

        wonderful article, with great pleasure put +

        Remember, I’ve already joked about new oracles, including your predictions :)

        there is a short memory, and there is a long memory ... I also have my own collection of neo-prophets, and their moronic statements

        do not be like political women and political girls, be closer to the people when they want, then there will be changes ...

        everything else - blah blah from the evil one

        revolutionaries need the Kremlin, they don't care about the real problems of Russia, so you will never see them among the people, since this is a long way to the Throne, and they are temporary workers, it is important for them "here and now", and not once, they want to live now

        but while they live here, on the topwalk :)
  • olviko
    olviko 2 December 2013 09: 26
    11
    "I think there is no alternative to Putin in Russia yet"

    This alone is not buzzing! Well, Putin will not be tomorrow for any reason, so what? Again chaos, collapse and other delights! In my opinion, it’s time to change such a system of power, otherwise wait for the new Brokeback again. So Russia will never come out of shit .
  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 2 December 2013 09: 50
    -14 qualifying.
    There is!!! Stalin to resurrect folk prayers. Well, or at worst, try to give the grease.
    1. Simon
      Simon 2 December 2013 18: 48
      +3
      Zhirik can only yell, but let the government ruin everything and quarrel with everyone. hi
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 2 December 2013 21: 16
      +4
      you do not even let your car steer a Zhirik? wassat
  • Bosk
    Bosk 2 December 2013 10: 09
    +1
    And Lavrov?, In international politics he is like a "fish in water", and he seems not to be a pro-Westerner ...
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 2 December 2013 11: 34
    +6
    Quote: Canep
    I think in Russia there is no alternative to Putin yet.

    They created a situation where applicants for the throne are much worse than the current king.
    The people who are now in the Kremlin do not have the slightest idea about law and morality. They will rock the situation themselves. One part of the liberals will provoke unrest, while the other will prepare a dictatorship in order to even more "effectively" implement the goals set to reduce Russia and Russian society to the status of an African country. These "representatives" of the two parts of the right spend their free time together, play golf, drink tea and other drinks.
    Glazyev handsome. It's a shame that it was said 8 years ago, and things are still there, we blame all the boyars.
  • Babon
    Babon 2 December 2013 14: 24
    +2
    If we compare the "time" of Putin, with the time of Yeltsin's rule, then yes, there are positive changes on the face, no one is going to experience such humiliation for the country and for himself personally, as they were under Yeltsin. But nevertheless, a lot of questions have accumulated, a lot of things are promised and are trying to do, and things just stood still. Many reforms are being carried out somewhere in the wrong directions, we are all climbing into the financial sector, only it is all divided, and China is "crawling" into free niches. And somehow we have been marking time on many issues for 13 years. Well, yes, the West needs Russia in the 90s, when humiliation followed humiliation (with the IMF, the World Bank) and the salary was not paid for half a year. So even so, the West no longer likes us.
  • George Siberia
    George Siberia 2 December 2013 16: 50
    +5
    Under Yelitsin, they also said that ..
    But seriously, the collapse of industry, education, healthcare, housing and communal services continues, albeit at a slow but steady pace .. There is always an alternative - take the same Yu. Boldyreva, S. Glazyev, ..
  • George Siberia
    George Siberia 2 December 2013 17: 00
    +5
    Under Yeltsin, propagandists also inspired such a thought to voters ..
    Under Putin, the collapse of industry (the indicator is the closure of the civil aircraft industry, and the domestic machine tool industry (SuperJet does not count - it is made by 80% of foreign components), science, education (USE .. gravestone) of culture (homosexual pornography is shown on the stage of the Moscow Art Theater .. sailed!), etc. Accession to the WTO, destruction of agriculture .. complete the picture of "brilliant" leadership of the country ..

    There is always an alternative, examples: Y. Boldyrev, S. Glazyev .. N. Narochnitskaya — these people are able to form a team that will lead Russia out of the impasse ..
    1. Simon
      Simon 2 December 2013 18: 56
      -6
      But it seems to me that let Putin rule while stabilization is in progress. The government must also have a good political analyst. It is necessary not only to raise the country, but also to pull out of political shit, into which the previous rulers drove us. I think that there is no alternative to Putin yet.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 2 December 2013 21: 18
        +4
        I think that there is no alternative to Putin yet. No. THIS is already like a prayer ....
  • POBEDA
    POBEDA 3 December 2013 01: 13
    -4
    I believe that Putin would be an excellent prime minister under the tsar-priest! Yes, but where to get the king? Unless minor Romanov put on the throne during the regency of Putin. Subject?!
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  • navy1301
    navy1301 2 December 2013 06: 41
    0
    "And now I invite readers to compare what these 'experts' said with what they are saying now and draw their own conclusions."

    Conclusions about what? as they said so and they say and will continue to speak - what is the language for what? It’s better in figures Captain45 how they lived then - how we live now
    1. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 2 December 2013 07: 30
      16
      We criticize and oppose Putin because he rejects the country a hundred years ago and carries out total degradation.
      What exactly is this?
      His steps boiled down to the creation of a system for the export of capital from the country by oligarchs, to the most dangerous theft and plunder of land, both in cities and rural lands, to the total destruction of the social system and the structural reduction of social expenses.
      Here we are not concerned with foreign policy.
      Putin purposefully leads to pushing our country into commodity status without any opportunities for revival, which in itself creates the conditions for its further dismemberment.
      Despite repeated statements by the current president to stimulate the investment process and support the scientific and technological revolution, as was recently done in Novosibirsk, everything is being done to dismantle the Academy of Sciences, commercialize science and squeeze the most capable scientific personnel out of the country.
      Health care is ruining, and education is being paid on a paid basis, which does not allow young people to receive education and ensure their future and the future of their country.
      In essence, this is a continuation of the line of Yeltsin's "reforms", but in a larger scale.
      .
      The people who are now in the Kremlin do not have the slightest idea of ​​law and morality.
      (Sergey GLAZIEV, Doctor of Economics, Deputy of the State Duma)


      What changed? Everything is also a continuation of Yeltsin’s policy of degradation and destruction of Russia.

      Strongly imposed conversations in the style of "the tsar is good, only the boyars are bad" ("only Putin will save us from Zurabov," for example) is cheap propaganda for the poor mind, because it was Putin who selected these "boyars" and brick by brick, the little man piled that bureaucratic gloom ...
      (Mikhail DELYAGIN, Doctor of Economics, Chairman of the Presidium, Scientific Director of the Institute for the Problems of Globalization)


      Anyone who says that "the tsar is good, only the boyars are bad", that "only Putin will save us from Serdyukov, Medvedev and other a group of oligarchs and persons close to him of the St. Petersburg clan.
      1. Prometey
        Prometey 2 December 2013 08: 15
        10
        Quote: vladimirZ
        What changed? Everything is also a continuation of Yeltsin’s policy of degradation and destruction of Russia.

        Quote: vladimirZ
        it must be understood that Putin is taking these Bad Men to power and pursuing through them his policy of plundering Russia in the interests of a narrow group of oligarchs and those close to him from the St. Petersburg clan.

        That's right, comrade, there’s nothing to add. Putin turned the country into his family co-op to enrich himself and his clique. There was no such lawlessness even under Yeltsin.
        1. novobranets
          novobranets 2 December 2013 11: 45
          +8
          Quote: Prometey
          There was no such lawlessness even under Yeltsin.

          Brezhnev had a hobby - hunting. The environment also had to hunt. The current is stealing ...
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  • Combitor
    Combitor 2 December 2013 06: 44
    +7
    <Canep SU Сегодня, 06:18 Новый
    I think there is no alternative to Putin in Russia yet.>
    That is, you are calling for the irremovability of power?
    Those who are now pouring mud on him said the same thing about Yeltsin.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 2 December 2013 07: 34
      +1
      Quote: Kombitor
      Similarly, they talked about Yeltsin

      Who and when said this?
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 2 December 2013 14: 13
        +8
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Who and when said this?
  • Tatarus
    Tatarus 2 December 2013 06: 55
    +6
    Good morning everybody. I understand that this is not the topic, but very good news.

    Residents of Croatia on Sunday voted to ban gay marriage in the country. Now the constitution should have a clear definition of marriage as a union exclusively of men and women.


    Read more: http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/748556/#ixzz2mHZMAzWk

    And this is not looking to the exhortations of politicians. The center-left government of the country opposed the ban, and President Ivo Josipović warned that its adoption could help create a reputation for an intolerant country for Croatia.

    Read more: http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/748556/#ixzz2mHZXZ8jU

    Well done Croats keep it up.

    Thanks to Putin, at least for banning the promotion of homosexuality.
    1. Tatarus
      Tatarus 2 December 2013 07: 29
      +4
      One plus and one minus ... Yes ...

      Hidden gay, hidden gay.
      Subscribe be bold.
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 2 December 2013 14: 25
      +2
      Quote: Tatarus
      Good morning everybody. I understand that this is not the topic, but very good news.

      Thanks to Putin, at least for banning the promotion of homosexuality.
      Well, why not the topic? Very much... laughing

      This is a great example: a small Croatia, located almost in the center of Europe, does not give a damn about everything that meets the interests of its people.
      And in hefty nuclear Russia, they continue to whine about the machinations of the State Department (which does not allow poor Vova to make the Russians happy) and sing Putin's odes, for the rare fulfillment of his direct duties, which coincided with the interests of the people.
  • karal
    karal 2 December 2013 07: 03
    -6
    The country needs fair democratic elections, not bias. While there is no replacement for Putin, and in 5-10 years, maybe we will get a new honest president!
    1. Prometey
      Prometey 2 December 2013 08: 10
      23
      Quote: karal
      While there is no replacement for Putin,

      Poor people, how are you being fooled. Of course, there is no substitute for Putin, because power structures have not been updated since the mid-90s. For 20 years, we have been observing the rotation of the same faces - they hang out, are moved from one post to another, but all this is the same silt. Access to power structures is closed to new people. Therefore, the people and create a false idea that there is no one else to entrust the country. Once the crisis of the elite destroyed the USSR, causing stagnation in politics. The same is waiting for Russia.
      1. Eugeniy_369
        Eugeniy_369 2 December 2013 10: 09
        +5
        Quote: Prometey
        Of course, there is no substitute for Putin, because power structures have not been updated since the mid-90s. For 20 years, we have been observing the rotation of the same faces - they hang out, are moved from one post to another, but all this is the same silt

        For rent today on this forum thread will be sold out. The article "He's only Putin" will stick laughing laughing laughing
        1. Arberes
          Arberes 2 December 2013 11: 10
          +5
          Quote: Eugeniy_369
          For rent today on this forum thread will be sold out. The article "He's only Putin" will stick

          You are right dear Eugeniy_369 hi we have on the forum now not a day without Vladimir Putin! Is there now where to let off steam?
          I’ll tell you more. Sometimes I get the feeling that we have an election campaign here ???
          1. Eugeniy_369
            Eugeniy_369 2 December 2013 12: 52
            +2
            Quote: Arberes
            You are right dear Eugeniy_369 on our forum now is not a day without Vladimir Putin! Is there now where to let off steam?
            I’ll tell you more. Sometimes I get the feeling that we have an election campaign here ???

            Judging by the color change in the upper right corner, your words hit the bull's-eye wink .
        2. military
          military 2 December 2013 11: 52
          +5
          Quote: Eugeniy_369
          For rent today on this forum thread will be sold out. The article "He's only Putin" will stick

          this is a trifle compared to the "sticking" of the one about whom it says ...
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 2 December 2013 08: 45
      14
      Interestingly, in '98, did anyone know who Putin is? But it was only a couple of years before he came to power. And now you say that there is no alternative to Putin ?! It’s ridiculous.
    3. novobranets
      novobranets 2 December 2013 11: 10
      +6
      Quote: karal
      in 5-10 years, maybe we will get a new honest president!

      If everything continues in the same way, then in 5-10 years the very concept of an "honest president" will disappear. Now, at least, some people, at least, have illusions about this. Hope survives.
      1. military
        military 2 December 2013 11: 55
        +5
        Quote: karal
        in 5-10 years, maybe we will get a new honest president!

        mr. Putin v.3.0 ...
        1. Eugeniy_369
          Eugeniy_369 2 December 2013 12: 40
          +2
          [
          Quote: military
          mr. Putin v.3.0 ...

          Who is mister Putin? laughing
          1. military
            military 2 December 2013 12: 53
            +2
            Quote: Eugeniy_369
            Who is mister Putin?

            Headache Russia ... request
            1. Eugeniy_369
              Eugeniy_369 2 December 2013 13: 00
              +1
              Quote: military
              Headache Russia ...

              Pills will not help anymore .... but not a hotman contacting the ax crying .
              1. military
                military 2 December 2013 13: 14
                +4
                Quote: Eugeniy_369
                The pills will not help anymore .... but not a hotman to contact the ax ...

                oncology at this stage does not resolve itself ... request
        2. novobranets
          novobranets 2 December 2013 12: 47
          +2
          Quote: military
          mr. Putin v.3.0

          With add. armor, a flamethrower and 20 lives? fellow
          1. military
            military 2 December 2013 13: 02
            +6
            Quote: novobranets
            ... and 20 lives?

            God save your slaves ...
  • MolGro
    MolGro 2 December 2013 07: 04
    +1
    Yes, this would be very wanted in the West, then there would not have been any problems bombing someone or robbing as they like !!
  • jungar
    jungar 2 December 2013 07: 07
    +5
    Good Putin ... bad Putin. We are discussing ... And when that discussion of the country's leader was, in principle, impossible, it was scary, however. And now it's not scary, now it is possible, because of the "experts", there are "presidents" or "chairmen", like frogs in spring. Confidently so, loudly, the main thing is to shout down everyone. Is Putin so good? I watched reports from Vilnius, so it was a pity to look at Rompuy S Barroso - such, sorry, sad clowns. It is understandable - they looked at Yanukovych, but they saw Putin, and that is why fear was noticeable in their eyes. And their fear is a balm for my soul, Putin is good to read. Good for me. And why there are problems in the country, because an internal enemy is stronger than external ones. Here we need the whole world to strangle him.
    1. Horde
      Horde 2 December 2013 07: 29
      +3
      Quote: jungar
      And when that discussion of the country's leader was in principle impossible, it was scary, however


      and when was this? always at your service - speak out, not yet tyranny ...
      1. jungar
        jungar 2 December 2013 07: 40
        +1
        When Brezhnev died (damn, how long have I been living for a long time), I remember a teacher asked me for a biography of Leonid Ilyich in my lesson. I did not know, and, naively, naively answered that Ilyich is not a syntax, and I don’t have to know his heroic path. What a noise-horror. A little kid was not recorded as an enemy of the people. So I remember other times.
        1. Prometey
          Prometey 2 December 2013 09: 17
          +6
          Quote: jungar
          I did not know, and, naively, naively answered that Ilyich is not a syntax, and I don’t have to know his heroic path. What a noise-horror. A little kid was not recorded as an enemy of the people.

          Probably you are cunning. I doubt that in schools the biography of the general secretaries was taught, only Lenin except. But I really remember when Brezhnev died, his father was going to do a funeral service at the factory after the change. Partcom and all that. My father said that he was my relative or something and went home. No one even blundered a word. And you say - other times.
          1. novobranets
            novobranets 2 December 2013 11: 16
            +1
            Quote: Prometey
            I doubt that the schools taught the biography of the general secretaries

            Do not doubt. On "Tselina" and "Malaya Zemlya" they were forced to write notes and so on. Labuda, with subsequent tests. wassat For which there was a joke about Leonid the chronicler. laughing
            1. novobranets
              novobranets 2 December 2013 11: 42
              +6
              Under Brezhnev, scientists invented a time machine and asked him:
              - Where do you please, Leonid Ilyich?
              - In the bright future.
              After returning, he says: "It turns out that we live in a dark, stagnant present, but when I got back together, all of them from the bright future will rush to my car, they barely carried their feet." laughing
      2. Sour
        Sour 2 December 2013 16: 31
        0
        Quote: Horde
        and when it was

        You were "born in the USSR", have you forgotten everything?
        Or were you a year or two then?
        I personally knew a man who was kicked out of the institute because he spoke poorly about Brezhnev. That was in 1978.
        1. skifd
          skifd 2 December 2013 22: 30
          +4
          Year so, somewhere 74 .. Biology lesson, the teacher tells us about the structure of man, including the number of teeth. He speaks :
          "Usually a person has thirty-two teeth. But some people grow one or more extra teeth, these are called" wisdom teeth ", it was previously believed that having them are very smart people."
          Since I did not have "wisdom teeth", that is, naturally I was not smart, I immediately blurted out joyfully:
          "And Brezhnev has the same, probably" wisdom teeth "are ??? !!!!"
          The class quieted down slightly, the teacher looked around wildly, the most legible in her subsequent cries was: "Still young, discuss Brezhnev!" But she screamed for about five minutes, and that's it. Even the parents were not disturbed. And as in ordinary conversations, the general secretary and all their "Politburo" in the tail and mane of the people had, and I will not speak. I personally did not know a single person who would suffer for jokes about Brezhnev or spoke badly about the government. Everyone gave a shit .. FIG.
    2. Valkyrie
      Valkyrie 2 December 2013 09: 08
      +1
      At all times, there were people and entire opposition movements opposed to the current government, criticizing it and fighting it. Even in the days of the so-called tyrants.
    3. corn
      corn 2 December 2013 11: 29
      +2
      Well, if you think that relationships can be built mainly on fear, then you have a split personality.
      I will explain:
      You want to and can express your opinion, because
      can be expressed without fear. And if it does not coincide with someone’s general line then how?
      This is a very wrong thesis: they are afraid, then they respect. The tiger is also afraid.
      They are afraid of this at the level of instincts, respect, at the level of consciousness. A person differs from an animal by the predominance of mind over instincts.
  • rate
    rate 2 December 2013 07: 17
    -6
    The author is so interesting ... A leader that can not develop, evolve, revise its views? Well, in 2005 it was like that, and in 2013 that's what.
    1. military
      military 2 December 2013 14: 02
      +5
      Quote: normal
      The author is so interesting ... A leader that can not develop, evolve, revise its views?

      the leader is even more "interesting" ... thirteen years of continuous "evolution" ... verbal ... hi
  • Tatarus
    Tatarus 2 December 2013 07: 18
    +1
    Or maybe we are restoring the monarchy? Make constitutional? Putin's Prime Minister. The king of any of the descendants of the Romanovs? Just do not hit me hard. This is a topic for discussion.
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 2 December 2013 07: 26
      +1
      Quote: Tatarus
      Putin's Prime Minister. The king of any of the descendants of the Romanovs?
      I am for! I offer Alexander Romanov!))
      1. Horde
        Horde 2 December 2013 07: 35
        11
        Quote: bomg.77
        I am for! I offer Alexander Romanov!))



        ours or what? Poor in history and smokes a lot laughing
        1. bomg.77
          bomg.77 2 December 2013 07: 46
          +4
          Quote: Horde
          ours or what? Poor in history and smokes a lot
          So Peter 1 also smoked a lot, and he wasn’t very friendly with history, which didn’t prevent him from becoming one of the best Kings. Alexander, in my opinion, is quite good at history.
          1. Horde
            Horde 2 December 2013 08: 23
            +5
            Quote: bomg.77
            So Peter 1 also smoked a lot, and in my opinion he was not very friendly with history, which did not prevent him from becoming one of the best Kings.



            you, like Romanov, judge history from textbooks; Peter has already opened a completely different story about Peter.
            This king
            -never was Russian, father Friedrich Hohenzoyulern, mother -Sofia daughter of Tsar Alexei.


            pay attention to how the RUSSIAN KOKOSHNIK transformed.
            this symbol of FREEDOM FOR THE WEST is the image of Sophia who enslaved Russia and opened "freedom" from Russia - the Horde.
            - overthrow of legitimate authority (Tsars Fedor3, Ivan5 - the son of Tsar Alexei) UZURPATOR.
            -pressed in blood, he is his mother with the help of foreign troops of Prussia, Poland and other Russian popular actions against the Petrine Latin reforms, in Istria they are called Speeches by Stepan Razin and Sagittarius riots.
            - carrying out a church reform called NIKONOVSKY SPLIT, his mother was more involved in this, as a result, a lot of non-Russians, in particular Greek, specifically GREEK NAMES for the Russian people, appeared in the pro-Orthodox Russia.

            suppression of the OLD ORDIN DYNASTY, many old RUSSIAN BIRDS were physically eliminated, for example, the GENUS OF NASHCHEK-ORDYNSKY. What is interesting are many FOREIGNERS who, like flies, flew from Smelting EUROPE into Russia, through the window hacked by Peter, the OLD RUSSIANs began to carry out and they began to carry out OLD RUSSIAN as if with Russian hands.
            -TREADY, UNABID commander The Northern War lasted more than 20 years with the overwhelming superiority of the army of Russia, even without counting the coalition forces.
            -and if you saw what taxes were introduced by this "reformer", the tax on the sale of BEDS, on the baths, go dirty, as in stinking Europe, on the sale of mushrooms and many other stupid taxes .-
            -Well, the worst thing for the Russian people is precisely Peter ENTERED SLAVERY for the Russian people, well, of course the ends are hidden by GERMAN HISTORIANS therefore we have what we have.
            1. bomg.77
              bomg.77 2 December 2013 08: 39
              +2
              Quote: Horde
              It is already a completely different story.
              This king
              As I understand it, you are more inclined towards Nosovsky and Fomenko, in their understanding of history? About Peter there is another version that he was replaced while in Europe, so the archers and shouted "The Tsar is not real" for what he is them and ... plus on On arrival from Europe, he immediately sent his wife to the monasteries. There are many versions, but I adhere to the official one.
              1. Horde
                Horde 2 December 2013 08: 48
                +3
                Quote: bomg.77
                As I understand it, you are more inclined to Nosovsky and Fomenko


                yes no dear Fomenko and Nosovsky could not understand what happened in the late 17th and early 18th centuries. There is one historian Alexander Kas

                who could see all these terrible times for the Russian people ...
                http://istclub.ru/forum/76-%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C-%E2%84%961-%D0%BF%D0%B
                5%D1%80%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B9-%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9
                -%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%82-%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BC
                % D0% B0% D1% 82-word /
                read, enlighten ...
                1. bomg.77
                  bomg.77 2 December 2013 09: 25
                  0
                  Quote: Horde
                  read, enlighten ...
                  Horde, let all historians and official and alternative ones come together to come to a consensus, and we will already honor it. There are too many whistleblowers, so we will reach Ukro-Scythians.
                  1. Horde
                    Horde 2 December 2013 10: 18
                    0
                    Quote: bomg.77
                    Horde, let all historians and official and alternative ones come together to come to a consensus, and we will already honor it. There are too many whistleblowers, so we will reach Ukro-Scythians.


                    this will never happen because there are Russians in Russia, and all the rest. One can only come to one’s story if the state is MONONATIONAL, but then there will be no Russians, or only the Russians will need to be put somewhere else ???
                    1. bomg.77
                      bomg.77 2 December 2013 13: 42
                      0
                      Quote: Horde
                      this will never happen because there are Russians in Russia, and all the rest
                      Why, won the FIN nest threw up and they have many supporters of all nations, what is not a reason for discussion? Russia has never been a mononational Russia, and I don’t think it will, but you need to do something with history. And another question, have you ever heard of the trilogy of John of Jerusalem (in 2003 I came across these folios for a while, but I could not read it) in Old Slavonic there, as I understand it, was there something about heretics?
                      1. Horde
                        Horde 2 December 2013 19: 01
                        0
                        Quote: bomg.77
                        Have you ever heard of the trilogy of John of Jerusalem (in 2003 I got these folios for a while, but I could not read it) in Old Slavonic, as I understood, was there something about heretics?


                        did not read if there is an opportunity kint the link
                      2. bomg.77
                        bomg.77 2 December 2013 19: 13
                        0
                        Quote: Horde
                        did not read if there is an opportunity kint the link
                        I kept it alive, but it’s not on the Internet, I’ve thought maybe you can tell
              2. novobranets
                novobranets 2 December 2013 11: 22
                +2
                Alexander Kas or Katz? laughing But seriously, I’m hearing about this "authority" for the first time, although I am interested in history.
                1. Horde
                  Horde 2 December 2013 11: 52
                  0
                  Quote: novobranets
                  Alexander Kas or Katz? But seriously, I’m hearing about this "authority" for the first time, although I am interested in history.


                  go to the address there he has a whole historical site called the source club and ask him yourself ...
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 2 December 2013 08: 55
            +2
            Quote: Horde
            This king
            -never was Russian, father Friedrich Hohenzoylern, mother -Sofia daughter of Tsar Alexei

            Better on textbooks than on pseudo-historians. Out full, especially with a statue. I don’t know that Fomenko smokes, but unfastens it specifically. Even the slate is tearing.
            1. Horde
              Horde 2 December 2013 09: 19
              +5
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Better in textbooks than in pseudo-histories


              what is better then? the Russian people were excommunicated from world culture and world civilization, the Russians have a very distant relationship to this. Fomenko and Nosovsky just reveal such facts that are very flattering for the consciousness of the Russian people, but this is only the OUTSIDE SIDE OF THE MATTER. these people, who seem to have something to do with science, CANNOT REFUTE the chronological conclusions of FIN based on the modern mathematical apparatus-weak at the knees laughing
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 2 December 2013 09: 28
                +3
                Quote: Horde
                Fomenko and Nosovsky just discover such facts

                Yes, they don’t discover anything, their story is their story, their view of the story that they present as the only true one. There are many sects and we now have each and every one offers its own version, and so here.
                1. Horde
                  Horde 2 December 2013 09: 58
                  +1
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Yes, they do not reveal anything, their story


                  why don’t you want to know anything?
                  here is the famous American mathematician Florin Dyaku, who came to his conclusions only after Fomenko 30 years later, to the same thing as Fomenko regarding the recalculation of the acceleration of the Moon. This is directly related to world chronology.
                  http://www.chronologia.org/en/2013_florin_diacu.html
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 2 December 2013 07: 56
        +3
        Quote: Horde
        Poor in history and smokes a lot

        But, but I had 5 in history school! I smoke a lot about it, well, there’s a sin and I don’t mind drinking, in good company repeat
        1. Horde
          Horde 2 December 2013 10: 06
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          But, but I had 5 in history school! I smoke a lot about it, well, there’s a sin and I don’t mind drinking, in good company


          if you have a Soviet education, then this is certainly a plus for intelligence, but this does not concern history. History is not a science but just a dogma, you can believe it, you can not.
        2. novobranets
          novobranets 2 December 2013 11: 26
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          I smoke a lot, well, there is a sin

          If the Primer did not smoke in the first grade, then not a lot. laughing
      3. Eugeniy_369
        Eugeniy_369 2 December 2013 10: 11
        0
        Quote: Horde
        Poor in history and smokes a lot

        "Well the man killed laughing laughing laughing and take your apartment " laughing laughing laughing
      4. CTEPX
        CTEPX 2 December 2013 12: 52
        +2
        Quote: Horde
        ours or what? Poor in history and smokes a lot

        You can and our Romanov. The surname, of course, let us down, but the lighter is correct)).
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    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 2 December 2013 07: 36
      +3
      Quote: bomg.77
      I am for! I offer Alexander Romanov!))

      What would you then overthrow me to edren hairdryer laughing
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 2 December 2013 07: 41
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        What would you then overthrow me to edren hairdryer
        For that you will remain in history))
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 2 December 2013 07: 56
          +1
          Quote: bomg.77
          For that you will remain in history))

          Will they give an armored Mercedes?
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 2 December 2013 08: 07
            +2
            Well, it won’t work, it’s not the Tsar yet, but already some requirements, not patriotic ((
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Will they give an armored Mercedes?
            T-90 will not work, the same armored, domestic, with a high cross?laughing
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 2 December 2013 08: 09
              +2
              Quote: bomg.77
              T-90 will not go

              He will see, but only in the form of tuples. Three in front, four more on the sides and two behind. So I will go around the camp, and communicate with the people laughing
          2. Arberes
            Arberes 2 December 2013 12: 28
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Will they give an armored Mercedes?

            First a Mercedes, and then maybe a hearse?
            Alexander, hello dear hi
            Forgive me black my humor? You know from us poets, you can expect everything! drinks
    3. baltika-18
      baltika-18 2 December 2013 08: 45
      +6
      Quote: bomg.77
      I am for! I offer Alexander Romanov!))

      What a sneak ....... laughing
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 2 December 2013 09: 08
        +1
        Quote: baltika-18
        What a sneak .......
        But what if.... laughing
      2. Asgard
        Asgard 2 December 2013 09: 35
        +8
        Romancha definitely))))
        In any case, it won’t be any worse, you can get ministers from the forum, and the most important thing is SILOVIKOV. Without Army men, there’s no way, snot-chewing with dermocracy will not work, then THIS IS ALREADY A TEAM that Putin never created in 13 years.
        Ideology is also present (PRESERVATION OF THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE) and already as an instrument- COUNTRIES ..... with the accession of NEW (old)) territories - Ukraine-Crimea, Kazakhstan, Spetsbergen, the Far East .... (yes, do not be surprised ))) By the way, Romanovich from there (sort of)) ....
        AND DEVELOPMENT OF SIBERIA .....
        Construction of the CAPITAL on the site of the Old Odynsky Surname ...
        This is not the Romanovs ... (sorry for the tautology)))
        But you feel the continuity .....
        If Alexander does not live up to expectations, well ... Well, history will repeat itself with a shot))))
        But He says that according to History he has 5, and he is Nonsense (I declare responsibly))) then he has many chances))) ....
        Remain a decent person in history))))
        And it costs a lot !!!!
        1. olviko
          olviko 2 December 2013 10: 24
          0
          "In any case, it won't get any worse, you can also recruit ministers from the forum."

          "Professors" is definitely in the premiere! Without Jews, who will rule Russia?
          Who is next ? kidding on.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 2 December 2013 10: 35
            +2
            Quote: olviko
            "Professors" is definitely in the premiere! Without Jews, who will rule Russia?
            Who is next ?

            S_mirnova (not the admin), but not the ministers, the opposition, he’ll ride for Lenin laughing
            Wafa Air Force Minister winked
          2. Eugeniy_369
            Eugeniy_369 2 December 2013 11: 12
            +2
            Quote: olviko
            Without Jews, who will steer Russia?

            Not very funny negative .
        2. zvereok
          zvereok 2 December 2013 11: 08
          +2
          And from the Professor and his ilk, the noble opposition will succeed.
        3. Arberes
          Arberes 2 December 2013 12: 32
          +2
          Quote: Asgard
          Romancha definitely))))
          In any case, it won’t be any worse, you can get ministers from the forum, and most importantly SILOVIKOV, Without Army men there is no way, snot-chewing with dermocracy will no longer pass, then THIS IS ALREADY A TEAM that Putin has not created in 13 years .. .

          Let me support you, dear Asgard (2) drinks
          Rational grain in your offer is present unambiguously!
          RomanovAre you ready for the upcoming tests ???
    4. corn
      corn 2 December 2013 11: 40
      +2
      For humor - respect or in Latin: respektus.
    5. Rif
      Rif 2 December 2013 17: 52
      -1
      then already Madame Romanov, and everyone will have "happiness"
  • Horde
    Horde 2 December 2013 07: 33
    +6
    Quote: Tatarus
    Can we restore the monarchy? Make constitutional? Putin's Prime Minister. The king of any of the descendants of the Romanovs? Just do not hit me hard. This is a topic for discussion.



    and you offer these ub_lyudkov again to the neck of the Russian people, and they already don’t look like Russians anymore ...
    1. Tatarus
      Tatarus 2 December 2013 08: 00
      0
      Judging by the photo, I got excited. We’ll choose a new one at the All-Russian Council.
    2. Known who
      Known who 2 December 2013 09: 10
      0
      For me, the royal dynasty is better than the bureaucratic one. This at least has nowhere to steal.
    3. alone
      alone 2 December 2013 19: 17
      0
      Quote: Horde
      and you offer these ub_lyudkov again to the neck of the Russian people, and they already don’t look like Russians anymore ...


      You probably didn’t look at the Romanov family tree. And there was almost only a Russian name there. The rest is non-Russian. It’s not surprising that these people are not like Russians
  • Rowicz
    Rowicz 2 December 2013 08: 23
    +3
    The Romanov dynasty abdicated, thus betraying its people.
    You should look for other candidates :)
    1. Lapotnik
      Lapotnik 2 December 2013 12: 00
      +1
      The dynasty "Romanovs" had nothing to do with the Russians and does not have anything. The Oldenburgs and Holstein-Gottorp are their true names. So they just did not betray their people.
  • baltika-18
    baltika-18 2 December 2013 08: 44
    +9
    Quote: Tatarus
    Putin's Prime Minister. The king of any of the descendants of the Romanovs?

    And here we will be thrown off for the construction of the Ipatievsky house. Just in time by the year 17.
  • Greenwood
    Greenwood 2 December 2013 08: 46
    +4
    Well, yes, there will be someone to overthrow in the 17th year.
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 2 December 2013 15: 18
    +3
    Quote: Tatarus
    The king of any of the descendants of the Romanovs?
    belay ???! wassat
    1. Megre
      Megre 2 December 2013 19: 52
      -1
      Maria Vladimirovna Romanova. The grandniece of Nicholas II.
  • GUSAR
    GUSAR 2 December 2013 07: 19
    +7
    There is always an alternative ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 2 December 2013 07: 38
      +2
      Quote: GUSAR
      There is always an alternative ...

      Yes, I remember who they supported in the swamp. Pack this alternative in the coffin and send it to the State Department on demand.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 2 December 2013 08: 56
        -6
        Strange, and how you and Nemtsov did not mention it with Kasparov. Usually, they are the main alternative to Putin in the minds of sov. We still have no more worthy people in Russia, only Putin and the liberals.
        1. Simon
          Simon 2 December 2013 19: 02
          +1
          We still lacked these political prostitutes. They immediately surrender all of Russia to Amer and Geyropa, and they will let us in the world.
      2. Arberes
        Arberes 2 December 2013 12: 40
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov

        Yes, I remember who they supported in the swamp. Pack this alternative in the coffin and send it to the State Department on demand.

        Yes, about the swamp here, no one remembers. It will be a shame if we go along the path of succession?
        There will be bright minds in RUSSIA, just need to give them the opportunity to prove themselves? And the current president should contribute to this, in a legal, constitutional way.
        What do you think?
      3. novobranets
        novobranets 2 December 2013 12: 58
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Pack such an alternative in a coffin

        A little need to leave yourself. So that on holidays the horse-drawn militia ... sorry police, they drove them with an area of ​​whips. laughing
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  • Tatarus
    Tatarus 2 December 2013 07: 21
    +1
    Quote: GUSAR
    There is always an alternative ...


    Exactly, for example, chaos and anarchy.
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  • JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 2 December 2013 07: 21
    -7
    Putin is. Hamsters can walk the forest with their mantra about his departure.
    Without violating the Constitution, he will go for another term. And we will choose him. We are the majority. You can splatter the monitor with saliva, but this will make you no longer.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 2 December 2013 08: 48
      +3
      Precisely, millions of flies cannot be wrong. Flying for shit!
      1. JIaIIoTb
        JIaIIoTb 2 December 2013 10: 21
        -3
        Quote: Greenwood
        Precisely, millions of flies cannot be wrong. Flying for shit!


        Get used to it! Go out in impotent rage. What else remains for you.
    2. corn
      corn 2 December 2013 11: 46
      -4
      Why for one, after a period, for another two. I'm an optimist.
      1. corn
        corn 3 December 2013 18: 46
        0
        I would like to know who took this post of mine as black humor, and who is in all seriousness.
  • Known who
    Known who 2 December 2013 07: 24
    -1
    Being in power is always difficult, and the fact that Putin, after so many years, is still afloat, speaks of his foresight and political vitality. The pace of his movement is weakening. If at the beginning of the president’s career it was possible to compare (albeit remotely) with Peter the first, now Putin and Putinism are comparable to the times of deep stagnation, he just did not recognize himself as a hero of capitalist labor. During the reign, the country was gathered but didn’t decide where to move, large projects only lead to losses (the Olympiad cost 4 million rubles per 1 resident of the country, and they can’t finish building the way from Vladik to Moscow, the oil pipeline was 2 times more expensive than the estimate , the reserve fund is raising the economies of the states and Europe), but there are no competitors in the political arena!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 2 December 2013 07: 39
      +1
      Quote: It is known who
      During the reign, the country was gathered but didn’t decide where to move.

      HARDWARE for starters, but we'll see.
    2. Edward
      Edward 2 December 2013 07: 51
      +5
      Quote: It is known who
      During the reign, the country was gathered but did not decide where to move ...
      because it is not he who decides personally, but the whole team, where he is only the tip of the iceberg. The team decided where to move the country for a long time. And this choice is capitalism. But since they know that people do not want capitalism both ideologically and practically (foreigners will simply buy up the country), they simply do their job with quiet glanders, without noise and big words: they enact laws on various kinds of privatizations (land, resources, factories, utilities, etc.) - hoping to create an irreversible situation, after which the people will have no choice but to reconcile themselves with the state of affairs. Then of course they plan that the people will not have thoughts of resistance.

      One miner friend told me: "what kind of strikes ?! We are all in debt for decades on mortgages and other loans .." ..
    3. Greenwood
      Greenwood 2 December 2013 08: 50
      +8
      Quote: It is known who
      there are no competitors in the political arena!
      So that was Putin’s goal. Raise your own rating in the eyes of the whole world. Moreover, the entire structure of power as consisted of the thieves of the 90s, and consists. As they blamed the Soviet regime, so do they.
    4. zvereok
      zvereok 2 December 2013 11: 11
      +1
      Quote: It is known who
      Being in power is always difficult, and the fact that Putin, after so many years still afloat, speaks of his foresight and political vitality. The pace of his movement is weakening.


      It's all about a magical, black liquid.
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 2 December 2013 14: 36
        -1
        Quote: zvereok
        It's all about a magical, black liquid.
        This fluid did not appear yesterday
  • Nitarius
    Nitarius 2 December 2013 07: 29
    +1
    our people look through the prism of GREED ..... I feel good, everything for me and everything for free .... wake up this will not ...... Putin look for his way
    something does not work....
    I AM FOR PUTIN! and I think that he has done a lot
    you just need to be able to compare and see what and how ...
    taxes began to be collected, roads yes, but they are being made .. compared with the same 90s, the fact that capital is not legally acquired .... no one can give it back (and you would give it back ???? I think NO )
    the fact that there are difficulties in the country ...... and the people need to carefully look at the news ........ put forward regulations on the nationalization of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, hence our economic PACASTIES FROM FRIENDS FROM THE USA AND ENGLISH --- the central bank ... 1year for consideration .... Understand Yeltsin planted a bunch of people and traitors ... and so just can’t get rid of them .. that would be without victims ... you need to give them something in return ..
    and finally the people ..... MANAGING A STRANGE THIS IS NOT A FACTORY IT'S DIFFICULT .... a lot of contradictions and it’s impossible to please everyone
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  • Belogor
    Belogor 2 December 2013 07: 54
    -4
    I like GDP as a competent politician, and as a person.
  • albai
    albai 2 December 2013 07: 55
    -4
    Light from a candle is not visible near! Therefore, Putin is ambiguous! But for those who are far from Russia, and do not know all the internal problems, Putin is good! About once a year I come to Russia, and I see some changes in the people. From the grayness and hopelessness of ordinary people in the early 2000s, to the energy and sparkle in their eyes after the 2010s. Believe me, people, this is visible to the outsiders. Be that as it may, there is no alternative to Putin today.
  • Grbear
    Grbear 2 December 2013 08: 13
    -1
    The author for his "log" is large (-). Resuscitation of political corpses and traitors is not a way to analyze the path traveled. There are real economic indicators and huge discontent from the West. It has long been noted that if we are "corrected by friends and partners," then we are on the right track.

    The issue of policy continuity is not so simple. At present, there is no real political party working for the good of the people with a leader capable of becoming a competitor to P. But there is no successor in sight. This is not yet a "holy place", but already a topic.
  • clidon
    clidon 2 December 2013 08: 14
    +7
    “They don’t change horses at the crossing.” Under this slogan Yeltsin was pushed to us for one more term. Well, there was no alternative.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 2 December 2013 08: 51
      +2
      Just then, the alternative was Zyuganov. But all the media, oligarchs, banks and others took off and pulled Yeltsin’s rating over the ears.
    2. zvereok
      zvereok 2 December 2013 11: 14
      +1
      Vote with your heart.
  • smart ass
    smart ass 2 December 2013 08: 22
    -2
    I myself live in Nizhny Tagil, the city came to life only thanks to Putin. Mr Tagil has always been his majority for Putin. This year, the city was completely renewed with new parks, fountains, interchanges, roads, markings, drama theater lighting, which alone is worth it! Amsterdam and only) In general, long years to you GDP!
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 2 December 2013 09: 36
      -1
      Yes, not thanks to Putin, under Putin, the Uralvagonzavod was in the pen. This is thanks to one friend from this factory who licked Putin’s ass. But Putin does not forget those who help him.
      1. Simon
        Simon 2 December 2013 19: 14
        -1
        When EBN UVZ got into the pen, when Yeltsin’s politicians sharply began to reduce their army allocations, that you don’t remember Russky Island, when a soldier died there from starvation! Putin pulled the Army out of this deadlock. Now, there, both normal and modern equipment is feeding, and the military-industrial complex has risen to its feet. I remember all this, it was before my eyes. hi
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  • Hort
    Hort 2 December 2013 08: 31
    +8
    here someone correctly commented that the rotation of the same people in power structures has been going on since the 90s, therefore "there is no alternative." I will not speak for Putin, but I can say for sure that now there are a bunch of young people (30-35 years old) who are capable of replacing many officials and really WORK for the good of the country. But as long as we have a swamp at the top, where the same toads live, there will be no sense
  • shpuntik
    shpuntik 2 December 2013 08: 36
    +1
    All of the cited authors of the political monopoly are thoroughly saturated with money and connections, they eat up from the master's table. They are not capable of decisive action.
    It is not necessary to put seven spans in the forehead as the president, the main thing is the purity of the uniform. Why now and take as an example of Stalin, as an unlimited.
    So do it, a year or four or six. Chubais will definitely grow. Will turn gray.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 2 December 2013 08: 57
      +1
      Kvachkov does not pull on the president.
      1. shpuntik
        shpuntik 2 December 2013 09: 36
        +1
        Alexander Romanov (1) RU Today, 08: 57 ↑ New
        Kvachkov does not pull on the president.

        Not Alain Delon of course, but it’s better than to disgrace yourself with an iPhone and pretend to be a crane.
        1. Sour
          Sour 2 December 2013 16: 37
          -2
          It’s better to pretend to be a crane, or even by anyone, than to play conspirators in old age. Got Game By the way, in the USSR for such matters less execution was not supposed.
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    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 2 December 2013 09: 01
      +5
      Kvachkov himself is already too old for such things, but he probably had ideological followers, young and energetic, and among them one must look. And Kvachkov should be something like an adviser.
    3. sashka
      sashka 5 December 2013 00: 49
      0
      YES AGREE KVACHKOV. Or Lavrov
  • pensioner
    pensioner 2 December 2013 08: 37
    -9
    With all the diversity of the political "beau monde", no one but Putin is drawn to the role of the leader of the nation (for now, at least). I like Starikov. Maybe he will become president in 10 years, but he still has a lot to do ...
  • saag
    saag 2 December 2013 08: 47
    +1
    To exchange one leader for another in the hope of receiving any cardinal changes from the change is at least naive, let’s take a historical example of the First World War as well, there was a considerable theft of supplies, but was it really required to plant the stolen people, no, because they knew that nothing would change , therefore, at one point, they took and changed the system and there was no capitalism. To get system changes, you need an idea and a team that would put this idea into practice, there are a lot of teams of all kinds, but they all adhere to the current general line
  • kopcan
    kopcan 2 December 2013 08: 49
    +1
    Putin has become a hostage of his own clan, which is now the country's political elite, so he is forced to "feed" them by cutting the budget, and stop feeding them and start imprisoning them, they will immediately sell him to the West and the puppet opposition.
    1. shpuntik
      shpuntik 2 December 2013 09: 46
      0
      kopcan RU Today, 08:49 AM
      ... and stop he feed them and start planting, as they immediately sell it to the West and the puppet opposition.

      That's right, he wants to live ...
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 2 December 2013 08: 50
    +6
    The answer immediately to all comments. I do not wish death to anyone. But we are all mortal, and sometimes suddenly mortal. Imagine suddenly Putin does not become, and your talk about the lack of an alternative will turn out to be an empty phrase.
    1. Combitor
      Combitor 2 December 2013 11: 02
      +7
      There was Brezhnev - there was no "alternative" to him;
      There was Gorbachev (I am silent about Andropov and Chernenko) - there was "no alternative to Gorbachev;
      There was Yeltsin - there was no "alternative" to him either;
      Now Putin is also "uncontested", you know.
      Maybe stop walking in a circle and bang your head against the same pole?
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  • borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 2 December 2013 08: 58
    -2
    from the Don.
    I am not in everything that makes the GDP, especially domestically, I support the president of our country, but what happened this year in the world, or did not happen, is the merit of the GDP! Lavrov is good too!
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  • Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 2 December 2013 09: 00
    +2
    Quote: Horde
    Peter introduced slavery for the Russian people

    You are mistaken, slavery in Russia arose before Peter I. He tightened this slavery.
    1. Horde
      Horde 2 December 2013 19: 16
      0
      Quote: Алексей_К
      You are mistaken, slavery in Russia arose before Peter I. He tightened this slavery.


      do you know the difference between BARSHCHINA and DUTY? and so before Peter the peasants were really attached to the land, but they chose the type of activity themselves, you could be a craftsman-craftsman or trader or hire a landowner, or take the land into circulation and continue to pay some part of the feudal lord-owner of the land, Peter introduced the cruel - labor duty - servitude, when the peasants could no longer decide for themselves and had to first work for the feudal lord and only then for themselves. With this method of conducting the economy, probably 95% of the population of the former free Russia became rapidly impoverished ...
  • Lankov Victor
    Lankov Victor 2 December 2013 09: 05
    0
    Dear commentators, what can you say about the Governor of the Belgorod Region, Yevgeny Savchenko? Is there anyone from Belgorod?
    I would like to hear about him firsthand.
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  • Lankov Victor
    Lankov Victor 2 December 2013 09: 08
    -3
    Facts and only facts ...
    Life expectancy
    In 2000, the average population was 65 years old. For men - 59 years old, for women 72,26 years. By 2011, the average life expectancy of the entire population increased by 3,5 years to 68,98 years and almost reached the highest level in Russian history (69,19 years in 1990);
    Accidental Alcohol Poisoning Mortality Rate
    In 2003, 45045 cases were recorded, and in 2010, 3,13 times (!) Less - 14381 cases. Note: since 1994, mortality from alcohol poisoning in Russia has decreased 3,9 times!
    Suicide mortality rate
    In 1999, 57276 cases of suicide were recorded (39 people per 100 thousand inhabitants), and in 2010 33308 cases (23,5 people per 100 thousand inhabitants). Those. the suicide mortality rate decreased 1,65 times.
    Kill mortality rate
    Since 2002, when the highest number of those killed was recorded - 44252 (30,2 cases per 100 thousand inhabitants), by 2010 the number of people killed was reduced by 2,4 times - to 18660 cases (13,2 killed per 100 thousand inhabitants)
    Infant mortality rate
    In 2010, compared with 2000, more than doubled - 7,5 deaths per 1000 births in 2010 versus 15,3 deaths in 2000.
    Fertility rate
    In 2010, 1789,6 thousand people were born (12,6 children per 1000 inhabitants) or 41% more than those born in 2000 (1266,8 thousand people, i.e. 8,7 people per 1000 people population)
    Natural population growth
    Over ten years, the natural population decline has decreased FOUR times and amounted to 241,4 thousand people against 958,3 thousand people in 2000.
    Emigration from Russia
    In 1999, it amounted to 214 thousand people, and in 2010 - about 40 thousand people.
    GDP of Russia
    Russia's GDP in 1999 was $ 177 billion, or $ 1210 per capita. GDP at PPP (purchasing power parity) was approximately $ 887 billion (or $ 6060 per capita). In 2010, compared with 1999, GDP increased 8,34 times and amounted to $ 1477 billion (or $ 10400 per capita). Russia's PPP GDP (compare the IMF, WB and CIA data) was approximately $ 2,22 trillion (6th place in the world - between Germany and the UK).
    Gold reserves
    At the end of February 2011, the gold reserves of Russia amounted to $ 487 billion (3rd place in the world), which is 38,6 times higher than the 1999 level (then it was $ 12,6 billion).
    State External Debt
    In 1999, the external state debt of Russia amounted to $ 138 billion, or 78% of GDP. By January 2010, it fell 3,4 times and now equals $ 40,7 billion, or 2,75% of GDP.
    Inflation
    In 1999, it was 36,5%. Inflation in 2010 was 8,8%.
    average salary
    In 1999, it amounted to 1522 rubles. (or $ 62). In 2010, the average salary was already 22600 rubles (i.e., about $ 755) and was 14,8 times higher than in 1999.
    Average pension
    In 1999, it amounted to 449 rubles. (or $ 18). In February 2011, the average pension (excluding regional benefits and surcharges) in Russia was already 8265 rubles. (or $ 285) i.e. has increased since 1999 by 18,4 times.
    Unemployment
    In 2000, it amounted to 12,4%, and in 2010 it decreased to 7,2%.
    http://oko-planet.su/first/62380-drugaya-strana-rossiya-11-let-spustya.html
    1. olviko
      olviko 2 December 2013 11: 05
      +8
      "Facts and only facts ..."

      You can continue this list:
      In Russia there are 110 billionaires, the average pension is 9,8 thousand rubles. The wealthiest 1% of Russians (excluding officials) own 71% of personal assets in the country. Today, there are 58,693 thousand dilapidated houses in Russia, in which 1 million 6 thousand live. 707 people, living space is 15,25 million square meters ", etc., etc.
  • Nayhas
    Nayhas 2 December 2013 09: 13
    +4
    Horror! If the integrity of the country depends on the fact that one particular person is in power, then such a country will certainly end.
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  • Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 2 December 2013 09: 19
    -5
    I believe that only one party can defend Russia, restore it and make it a world leader - the Communist Party. The question is different. Now, when Putin is trying to recreate a Russian army capable of holding off the collective aggression from the United States, NATO, Japan, Turkey, Poland, China, Ukraine, a change of power is dangerous by halting the development of the army and destroying the established ties between the economy and the army. This is what the West wants, and therefore they are strenuously repeating about the removal of Putin. It is at this moment, when the country will remain uncontrollable for a short period, when the old president no longer commands, and the new president is "illegal" and no one obeys him, that the West expects to attack Russia. If you want chaos and slavery, remove Putin. Legal elections are another matter, when the change of power takes place in a planned mode and a gradual change of course occurs when the country is under control.
    1. Lankov Victor
      Lankov Victor 2 December 2013 09: 30
      +2
      Dear Alexei, did you get excited about the Communist Party? They collected a cloud of signatures against DAM (I myself signed). Now all these signatures are pressed by the bourgeois ass of siu.
  • goldfinger
    goldfinger 2 December 2013 09: 20
    -3
    Neighbor Belarus.
    Now the Russians need to carefully look at events in Ukraine, the same fragment of the USSR. This is a litmus test for the post-Soviet Slavic countries. Our mentality is, by and large, similar. Yes, and religion is one.
    The fact is that the people of Ukraine for the most part have risen not so much because of the European Union, they are not so stupid in the economy as because of the injustice of the authorities, because of collusion with Putin, because of blackmail by Russia for any reason .. .
    The European Union is just a match, people are tired of enduring the powers that be ... the poverty of honest citizens and the folly, greed and vanity of the authorities and billionaires who have grown together in the state-oligarchic apparatus.
    Without a doubt, Russia expects the same thing ... sooner or later ... everything is eternal ...
    History develops in a spiral, someone wants it or not.
    And, who does not understand this, that is increasingly becoming inadequate to the rapidly developing situation - in accordance with modern life ..
    See how fast the world and priorities are changing ...
    CORRECTLY, How much can be repeated ... it is impossible to deceive the WHOLE PEOPLE all the time ...
    ONLY - INadequate QUICKLY CHANGING MODERN LIFE, THE GOVERNORS - FROM THE FIRST CREATE A SOCIETY, AND THEREFORE PROMOTE VARIOUS REVOLUTIONS AND SPILL OF BLOOD ...
    HERE IS FURTHER ADDED THE FACT THAT THE NEW GENERATIONS OF PEOPLE ARE GROWING WITHOUT A SPECIAL FUTURE, WITHOUT WASHED BRAINS, WITHOUT FEAR, AND THERE IS NOTHING TO LOSE THEM ...
    NOW IN RUSSIA ADOPTED AND IS CARRYING OUT A THINKING AND ANTINOTATIONAL REFORM OF EDUCATION AND TEXTBOOKS ON THE HISTORY OF THE STATE ARE URGENTLY Rewritten ... FOR THE NEXT GENERATIONS TO GROW "GRASS"
    FOR THE GREATER STRENGTH OF SUCH A GOVERNANCE SCHEME, IT REMAINS ONLY TO FENCE WORKS WITH ROCKETS, WHAT WE SEE FROM THE MILITARY EXPENDITURES OF PUTIN ... , aircraft carriers, etc ...
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  • sashka
    sashka 2 December 2013 09: 29
    10
    If the payment for utilities exceeds the cost of living. All other conversations are meaningless ..
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 2 December 2013 21: 36
      +1
      how can San plus not put you? +++ hi
    2. sashka
      sashka 4 December 2013 16: 05
      0
      I don’t understand how much one should not love our people .. Why did we receive such a punishment from our "rulers" I don’t understand ..
  • Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 2 December 2013 09: 32
    -1
    Why did I propose the Communist Party as leader. This is an authoritarian party. Able to command and seek to fulfill their orders. Remember the 2 World War. The authoritarian Hitler Germany dealt in two counts with the most powerful French army in Europe, in two counts dealt with Poland. And if Hitler had not been obsessed with victory over Bolshevism, he would have dealt with England. America in those years was not capable of fighting in Europe. And only the USSR, with its authoritarian communist system, managed to crush the fascist reptile. Only authoritarian systems with an ideological goal are able to defend their existence in the circle of evil enemies burrowing into your territory.
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  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 2 December 2013 09: 37
    -2
    After reading all these "pearls", for some reason I remembered Stolypin's words: "You need great upheavals, but we need Great Russia!" Everything reminds of the events of the beginning of the last century, well, how many times will we step on the same rake that we got a few bumps .Do not interfere with the work of the GDP, but we will evaluate the work according to the results. Grandfather Nechipor from "Wedding in Malinovka" said to the very impatient: "Do not rush ...", and folk wisdom says: "Hush, you will continue," "Hurry, you will make people laugh "and also" Haste is needed when catching fleas, I will omit further! "And the main wisdom is" Chickens are counted in the fall! "
  • Unisonic
    Unisonic 2 December 2013 09: 47
    +1
    Not one of the leaders of Bolotnaya Square announced that, having come to power, he was ready to review the results of privatization. Bulk in general is afraid of this issue like fire. Therefore - there is no way out. While Russia will build on this privatization, which is an ordinary robbery throughout the country, nothing will change.
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