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Patriot Interview (excerpt)

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Patriot Interview (excerpt)Correspondent: So why is liberalism bad?


Patriot: And what good can it be?

TO: Well, today at least the goal of all liberals in Russia is democracy, the rule of law, economic wealth and transparent rules of the game in business. Is it bad?

P: Let's do everything in order. Today in the world, despite the attempts of China, there is one project. And this is a project of the West. This project proclaims the triumph of liberalism in the humanitarian sphere and a certain variation in the economic. Take for the beginning of the rule of law. Everybody in Russia is fed up with corruption, flashers of officials and in general “Serdyukovschina”. Therefore, for many Russians, the Western model of regulation of relations between society and the state is very attractive. True, there are few states, but more on that later. So, at the heart of Western law, lies both Roman-Germanic law and Anglo-Saxon law. Both are detrimental to the Russian peoples.

TO: On the basis of what you say so? Will, like many traditional patriots, appeal to LGBT horror stories?


P: And you will tell me: look at how such “blue” ones manage to make such cars, autobahns and infrastructure? Let's break everything down.

TO: Okay, I agree with you, waiting for arguments.

P: Since we began to reveal the issue of the attractiveness of Western democracy with such an important element as legal security, rather than economic prosperity, this is very correct to start a discussion. Since today many liberals are offended that they are labeled as “European romantics”, “carriers of rose-colored glasses”, etc. Those. Many of the liberal media complain that they are not fighting for the next 201 variety of sausage, but for the opportunity to influence the official and defend themselves in court. But not all liberals are ready for a serious discussion about the Western legal system and the implementation of even its individual norms in Russian legislation.

TO: What do you mean when you say that you are not ready? In my opinion, they are just waiting for a public debate on this topic on federal channels! And why do you consider Western law and norms that regulate behavior in society harmful to Russia? What can you say to the case in Germany, if I am not mistaken, three years ago, when the German defense minister resigned for plagiarism in his scientific work, which he wrote while still studying? Can you imagine this in Russia against the background of the “Santa Barbara” name of Serdyukov?

P: Moreover, I remember news a plot from the mid-2000s when in the United States one of the daughters of President D. Bush Jr. was fined for speeding.

K: All the more !!!

P: And now that the stagnant liberals dislike so much. Let's talk about the price that Russian peoples must pay for such a “Western” rule of law.

K: And what is the price, interesting?

P: First, this is a total regulation of not only public, but also personal life. In this matter there is never half measures. When you see a fine in the US for the president’s daughter, be prepared not to be surprised at life sentences for a stolen jacket, as it was recently covered in the Military Review.

K: Wait a minute! I disagree! Democracy democracy is different! The fact that America is not only a country of possibilities, but also a state of strict legislation, is known to almost everyone. And it even appeals to some when the principle of the inevitability of punishment of crime and the system of checks and balances triumphs.

P: What is this state - the USA, where each state has its own monastery, indeed, many people know. However, if we delve deeper into the issue of legal values ​​of the West, then you will not notice the difference between the United States, Sweden or Germany. So you say, albeit indirectly, that the rigidity of US criminal law is a kind of charm, a calling card. Of course, if we compare only in the context of punishments for crimes, this may be true, but if we consider it in the plane of meaning, we can see something in common. For example, the classic West proclaims freedom and the protection of human rights, individuality, and elevates it to a cult. In my article “Dictatorship Is It Always Bad?” In the Military Review, I gave examples of the fact that the dictatorship of law in the West is a defense of the constantly changing trend in the sphere of civil law, where new subjects of mutual relations arise. For example, today the trend in the West is protection of same-sex marriages at the expense of the old traditional, and tomorrow there will be protection of human marriages with frogs at the expense of same-sex. Thus, when liberalism triumphs in civil law life, the binding of coordinates to the basic and fundamental values ​​of a person is lost.

K: Are you again showing the red rag as a way of vaccinating people against liberalism - a scary story about LGBT expansion?

P: Not really, now I will explain. Many liberals have a common opinion that once the rights of animals are very strongly protected in the West, as well as the abbreviations LGBT and any evil spirits you mentioned, then, therefore, ordinary people with traditional views have no problems or conflicts. social and public sphere.

K: Isn’t that so? Or will you now begin to tell horror stories about excessive political correctness, which is terrorized by the majority? You know, many are ready and willing to get rid of the culture of rudeness, contempt and the same racism in Russia. Many ask for the elementary - respect for the individual. They are not intimidated by any Starikov with reports of conspiracy! And if such a price as political correctness leads to the fact that one of the members of the cabinet of ministers of the Russian Federation will be fined red fare, then not only me, but many of my editorial colleagues will be very pleased to plunge into the world of political correctness. I dare to suggest that many Russians are ready to “swallow” such a minus.

P: Unfortunately, I will disappoint you, since political correctness is only the tip of the iceberg and only an oral element of the Western legal system and society. Now I want to know with you how ready you are to go further so that one of the members of the KBM RF will be fined? I just want to warn you that I, too, advocate the possibility of such punishment, only from other social models. So, imagine for a moment that Ukraine, where I came from, finally signed an association with the EU, carried out a package of reforms and implemented the norms of Western law in accordance with European standards. And when you see the news story, where the current speaker of parliament is being shown in handcuffs, know that somewhere in this time in Ukraine they are recording in the unified state register of court decisions or, more simply, initiate a criminal case against a resident of Kukuyevka village. Which, for example, buying a fishing rod in a store, refused to finish angler courses, to join the fishermen and hunters society on the recommendation of its member, whose experience was at least 3 years and did not pay an annual symbolic fee. And here's a question for you, dear correspondent: “Are you ready to abandon the principles of free Russian fishing to please the rule of law?”

K: I’ll probably disappoint you, but many will even easily go for it, if only the principle of inevitability of punishment works in the country. Of course, it is a shame that such a simple and ordinary exercise, like fishing, requires permission, fixation and regulation, but to see the latest series of “serdyukovschiny” motivates such a victim. I understand that other social models that stop corruption in the country are totalitarian models?

P: Let's do everything in order, I don't like to run ahead. You easily abandoned the free Russian fishing. But surely even the boys after school were running with a fishing rod for free bets or a river? Are you ready to abandon the May shish kebab in nature?

K: Oh oh oh! I understand what you are driving at. But today, and without the dictatorship of liberalism in Russia, rules of behavior in forest and forest-steppe zones are becoming tougher. I see no reason for drama.

P: Now I will disappoint you. It is not only about forests, park and protected areas. Today, in Germany or in Spain, you cannot come, say, to the village where you grew up, and have a picnic at the end of the street around the bend, where you ran with your children barefoot and built “halabuda”. Everywhere is nature! Even if it is a paddling pool with three reeds. You will have two options where you can make a family barbecue. The first is in its private territory, i.e. in the backyard, after making sure that the smoke from your kebabs or firewood does not interfere with your neighbors and is strictly upward at an angle of 90 degrees. Of course, not everywhere in the West, for example, in the emigrant areas and neighborhoods that are not implanted in the western matrix of life. There is a second option - these are special places for recreation, they can even be free, but only where the local municipality has allowed it.

K: I understand you, you mean the loss of freedom of choice, desires and the form of family leisure. In addition, there is a tendency to unification not only in the rest. For example, you can remember the lawn in 2 centimeters, and the same fence with houses.

P: Exactly!

K: But again, it seems to me that a significant part of our society, I can not say that the majority are already ready for such sacrifices, and someone will say: to such standards. You must agree, even in 90-s, watching foreign films, we were surprised at such phenomena as marriage contracts, and relied on feelings, and today it is a reality in the expanses of the former USSR! Maybe we just need to accept the fact that we are part of global capitalism? No one can return state-Christian capitalism, models, for example, as in Chile under Pinochet. And the more so the Soviet Union "Ie. if we remember Kurginyan and his statement that modern is dead, then there is a dead end. No one will trade and contact with us, and even boycott (recalling the notorious conservative law banning LGBT propaganda in the Russian Federation. After all, this is the standard throughout the world that is in trend in the neoliberal right). I'm right? What offer?

P: As you rightly noted, shifts in consciousness began. Despite the fact that the “Russian world” has long been positioned as a moderate antagonist to materialism, the virus of super-consumption has penetrated to us. It is the attachment to consumer standards, combined with the dreams of entrepreneurs about the transparent rules of the game, students and intellectuals about the legal order, projects Marshes and Maidans. We all go into the trap of degradation of the mental and spiritual level.

K: Is there a chance that we will come to a halt at a moderate consumption and standards of unification of society?

P: And who will act as a measure? Who will be the benchmark? Holland? Or Catholic Brazil, where women and men combined do not already dominate in carnivals? Today it is possible to throw out textbooks of political science where the concept of democracy is revealed both from the point of view of the ruling majority and the minority. After all, respecting the minority is not what we saw in France in 2013!

K: But be that as it may, the economy is booming there. Today, in a liberal environment, it is no longer fashionable to use the example of the United States. Increasingly, they rely on the Scandinavian countries and their socialism.

P: In the Scandinavian countries, there is a mix of neoliberalism in the humanitarian sphere, multiplied by the cynical and rational symbiosis of capitalism and socialism in the economic sphere. Are even the most liberal Russians ready for total and cynical rationalization? For example, to heat your house with the ashes of dead relatives? True, a step towards such pragmatism should be the preliminary destruction of the institution of the family.

K: Not a bad argument. If we recall the case of an 5-old, when one of the Swedish ministers paid for a diaper with a service card and was forced to resign. I agree, the price is not easy, even for ossified liberals. But what about democracy, taking into account the national specifics and culture of the people? For example, in Poland, a lot of things are not there, the same boy’s disguise as a girl in kindergartens, as in Norway. Can I find the golden middle?

P: We are again stepping on a rake. The liberal trend will not allow the legislation to stand idle for a long time and gather dust. It will defend revolutionary innovations. Today in Poland there is a nationalist upsurge as a protest against the introduction of new and new European values.

K: Still, what is the connection between the inevitability of punishment in a liberal society and the deprivation of the right to free fishing?

P: Do you want to ride, and how to sleigh to carry. Where "A" is, there is "B", and even "I". Here we touch upon the fundamental principles of civil society, but with a liberal undertone. I foresee your question of the type: "Is civil society outside the liberal environment as well?" Therefore, I answer in the affirmative: it happens. At certain stages and stages in the USSR there was a civil society. In addition, as far as I know, in Russia, the essence of the time deals with the development of left-leaning civil society. But the quality and pace of their work depressing, later, if you want, I will explain. As for the connection directly, the neoliberal society, which is now the West, has one such important element as “squealing”.

K: Is there a mess with the Soviet system?

P: Partially. Since Soviet citizens stood guard over the state system, and representatives of the liberal system stood guard over new cultivated values. And here is not necessarily LGBT. This may be the same political correctness, and the new political McCarthyism and juvenalk. Well, so that it is clear, this is when the "law-abiding" people are ready to protect the child’s freedom from his parents by calling the necessary authorities, where they will express their evaluative opinion, supposition. As a result, a court case appears. And when we are shown on TV, as one eccentric, an indigenous Frenchman, climbed the Eiffel Tower and demands a date with his son, then we, ordinary Russians, probably think like this: “We didn’t share the child properly during the divorce in the court debate.” And by the way, we see the tip of the iceberg. No one in the TV program will say that it all started because of a call from a neighbor or a friend.

K: You are from Ukraine, how are things with liberal ideas?

P: In Ukraine, as in the Russian Federation, the overconsumption virus is also rampant, but, in addition, there is a blurring of the Russian ethnic group in the east of the country. The whole Russian-speaking generation has grown up on Russophobic textbooks stories.

K: Your note about the absence of Russian people younger than 30 in Ukraine did not cause a furore on the Military Review, a total of 91 comments, where two dozen are your additions and explanations. Russian people in Russia do not care that in Ukraine 7 million ethnic Russians melt in the boiler? Why, despite the loud name, there was no hype?

P: Russia is missing its own problems now. Many have thought for years that the east of Ukraine is the stronghold of Russia and the natural barrier of Russophobia. But this is no longer the case. In that publication, I cited four screaming facts, namely, the erosion of the Russian ethnos in the country, not even among Russian-speaking Ukrainians. Therefore, I am not surprised when Kharkiv patriotic publications themselves are surprised by Russian-speaking resistance to rallies in support of the CU. This can be seen by visiting the resource "Union of Citizens of Ukraine". Here is the title: "Kharkiv is against Ukraine becoming a colony of the EU!"

K: And what do you think will save the great Russian civilization?

P: This is, first of all, a project that Russia should offer the world as an alternative to Western civilization. What kind of project is this and what it is eaten with, we should be told by our Russian patriotic philosophers, theorists and political scientists. Alas, today I am a hostage of a dynamic life: there is always a chance not to fit into the market, then they will crush, so there is no time to read books.

K: This can make "Izborsk club", the movement "The Essence of Time?"

P: I will express only my own, perhaps, subjective point of view. Izbor club for me personally - the tea club. And the movement “The Essence of Time”, although it realized the problem, perverted it on the philosophical schools of Kurginyan, but did not synthesize a solution that mobilizes the masses. How much do they already exist? Two, three years? There is little time left. How do I see the Russian project? I can only outline its contours, like many patriots. This is primarily a rejection of total materialism. The leadership of the Russian Federation should proclaim a policy of producing high-quality goods and long-term use, with the rejection of super-profits during state planning. Call it communism again? And you can recall the practical advice of readers of "Military Review". For example, such a driving idea: “The union of spirit and mind on the path foreseen by God!” (Nickname: Just Vasilich). Can and slogans to remember. But I have no recipe yet, unfortunately.

K: So, the 400-year-old struggle of Westerners and Russophiles for the minds continues, if you start from the 1612 year?

P. It turns out, yes. Here the territories would not want to lose more. After all, I am already a foreigner for the readers of “VO” from the Russian Federation, albeit a Russian one.
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  1. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 2 December 2013 06: 12
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    We - SLAVS.
    We always had our values. Their life principles and their concept of brotherhood, mutual assistance and worldview.
    We must not be imposed on what is not ours, what is alien to us.

    And we have a good combination - steel spirit and excellent soulfulness. History has proven this more than once.
    This may let the West adopt our understanding of life and our values.

    What about liberalism? Be twofold? This is definitely not ours.
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 2 December 2013 06: 30
      +8
      The article is some kind of gon.
      Everything is very simple - we need order, because the people blabbed during the 90s-early 00s, and the next generation grew up under the influence of Russian-Phobian liberalism, whose task was to enrich itself at the expense of Russia (as long as it does not have working laws ensuring order) -to fish in muddy water.
      Now, thank God at least some changes are beginning.
      These changes have the main task of consolidating the society, strengthening and opposing vagueness and anarchy, excessive freedom in everything, which leads to lawlessness everywhere, and in morality too.
      And morality is the core of public consciousness ...
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 2 December 2013 16: 37
        +3
        There is no "just order". Because order is very, very, very difficult, complex and ambiguous.
        Quite simply, this can be described as follows: you work by producing some kind of surplus value with your own hands and head. How many controllers in your work and your life are you willing to pay out of what you earned, and how many are willing to endure? Supervisors will not work. They will regulate you and more. Moreover, liberalism is a controller for your every action. FOR EVERYONE!
        You go to tell fortunes - there is a law, a charter, a controlling body and inspectors for this. The neighbors are closely watching, the networks measure pressure, the camera hangs, at any time it has every right to break in the check. In your outhouse. Grab you naked ass and impose a violation of the law. Yes, yes, and this is not the last line, keep in mind. I’m not joking at all, everything is so.
        1. Starina_hank
          Starina_hank 2 December 2013 19: 52
          +3
          Here is the fundamental difference between Slavic culture and Western democracy: they have a law, we have a CONSCIENCE! There is no conscience - no order! You cannot put a supervisor behind every one, and Russians do not like unnecessary supervision, and conscience is always with you, you cannot hide from it. But now it is economically inexpedient to be honest - you will die of hunger. It became easy for the impudent, cunning, shameless to live freely, it is easier to deceive, it is easier to "earn" millions on the life and health of their compatriots. The Russians have lost their conscience: and the tenant does not let the peasants go fishing on the village lake where else their grandfathers under the tsar caught her, and the owner does not let the owner into the forest for brushwood, although the forest is littered with deadwood, which is impossible to pass, the doctor does not accept the patient under any pretext. Remember 30-40 years ago, did anyone curse on the street? We are being strenuously torn away from our moral foundations wherever possible, and we will come to the Western ones in 3-4 generations in such a situation, but the question is: will we remain Russian?
      2. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 3 December 2013 05: 15
        +2
        Quote: mirag2
        The article is some kind of gon.
        Everything is very simple - we need order, because the people blabbed during the 90s-early 00s, and the next generation grew up under the influence of Russian-Phobian liberalism, whose task was to enrich itself at the expense of Russia (as long as it does not have working laws ensuring order) -to fish in muddy water.
        Now, thank God at least some changes are beginning.
        These changes have the main task of consolidating the society, strengthening and opposing vagueness and anarchy, excessive freedom in everything, which leads to lawlessness everywhere, and in morality too.
        And morality is the core of public consciousness ...
        The author’s article is a conversation with oneself. And judging by the result, the sense of zero. Because the article is not valid, although the topic is very relevant.
        And about your comment, it’s very simple in words. But who will really put things in order? What forces? Who can today force Putin not to give credit to Ukraine? Or Syria? They need to be given and this is in the interests of the Russian Federation, but if this were not so. Who then? Who can really influence something? Today, Putin is well done, but he is not so flexible. The situation requires this, he is very dependent on the elites. So how can political will appear to resolve legal issues in the country? But in the end, officials are doing outrage, so will be. And one-time acts of intimidation will not change this trend.
        As for the national idea, this is all boltology. Why is it needed and what is it all about? The Russian idea has always been and remains in one word - justice. This is the fire that will never go out in Russian. And the law or prosperity, these are things of a temporary nature and always relative values. There is no idea in the West, even at local national levels. The dictate of the law can not be an idea, these are the rules and nothing more. And I would look at the essence of the West if he had taken the stolen wealth.
        1. mirag2
          mirag2 3 December 2013 06: 21
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          It is not "who", but "what" that makes the loans, the international situation, and it is not possible for me and you to influence it, even the presidents of states cannot always influence it alone.
    2. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 2 December 2013 06: 30
      +6
      Quote: Aleks tv
      It let the West adopt our understanding of life and our values

      These parasites always make their own way to conquer and rob. So they will not adopt anything useful.
      1. alone
        alone 2 December 2013 19: 04
        +1
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        These parasites always make their own way to conquer and rob. So they will not adopt anything useful.


        everything has already been stolen and divided. And the useful things were adopted long ago. Unlike all of us, they forgot all the useful things and they took all the negative from us. The only thing left for us to adopt is the secondary nature of the law. And they won’t do it.
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    4. Heccrbq.3
      Heccrbq.3 2 December 2013 22: 27
      +1
      You do not drink, do not smoke, do not lie, help the weak, put the boors in place, do you develop yourself both spiritually and physically? If on all issues YES, then a Slav !!!
  2. MolGro
    MolGro 2 December 2013 06: 20
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    I think I know what will suit Russian civilization as a project !!
    Western civilization is fighting for freedom.
    And we must fight for JUSTICE, for freedom of poverty is not what people should strive for.
  3. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 2 December 2013 06: 23
    +9
    Well, barbecue in nature - it is a primordially Russian pastime, which is dangerous and fraught to deprive the Slavs.
    The people will not understand.
    No.

    And Greenpeace, regarding the protection of forests from barbecue, it is better to pretend to be a rag and not shine (just in case).
    wink
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 2 December 2013 06: 53
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      Shish kebabs in nature under the cold - this is sacred on an international scale, a green note with different vegans can go through the woods. drinks Fried, fried, and I will fry. bully

      1. avant-garde
        avant-garde 2 December 2013 06: 57
        14
        I protest against such pictures sad
        1. Monday
        2. Three hours before lunch !!!!
        But in general good
        1. Max_Bauder
          Max_Bauder 2 December 2013 11: 59
          +4
          I'm with you guys drinks
      2. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 2 December 2013 07: 00
        17
        Quote: And Us Rat
        Fried, fried, and I will fry.

        yes
        drinks
      3. andruha70
        andruha70 2 December 2013 09: 35
        +8
        Fried, fried, and I will fry.
        strongly support! good drinks and all of these are liber.u.r.o.d.y. lol let it be at YOURSELF at home - measure the "verticality" of the smoke laughing "centimeter" of the lawn and the "roundness" of their anus ... tongue Neh ... in the sense - it is not necessary, US - to position our PERSONALITY fool
    2. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 2 December 2013 16: 38
      +3
      For this, the liberals will put the author of the photo in prison. Only violations of the SES rules are here for ten years.
    3. vober
      vober 2 December 2013 17: 08
      +2
      More mushrooms - Russian fun :-))
  4. does it
    does it 2 December 2013 07: 00
    +4
    K: So, the 400-year-old struggle of Westerners and Russophiles for the minds continues, if you start from the 1612 year?
    Considering the Germans-Romanovs ruled us, religion is also from the hillock, well, the Germans dominated from the time of Peter the Great, as far as I remember at the time of Pushkin, French and German were preferred, the Russian people were called; damned people. So A.G. Nevzorov is almost right! about the 700-year backlog, and now I'm waiting for the stargazing minuses.
  5. Stinger
    Stinger 2 December 2013 07: 26
    +2
    article -. There is a lot of talk with pseudo intellectuals. As Bertrand Russell said, the very unpleasant phenomena of our time include the fact that only limited people are very confident in the rightness of their cause
    1. fennekRUS
      fennekRUS 2 December 2013 16: 33
      +1
      Thought spreading on the tree is present, but there are some concept rudiments .. and they are needed yesterday by KVM
      1. Asgard
        Asgard 2 December 2013 20: 10
        +1
        Yes, the article is not "three chords")))) is difficult to understand and there is a feeling of understatement .... But here it is impossible to sin, the Author indicated "An excerpt of the Patriot's conversation" .....
        The rest, along the way, we need to add))) our thoughts about OTHER vectors of development ... not only "Western" ...
        Although a lot of the People * (judging by the posts)), remained adherents of the "classical foundations of the Russian People" and Western "values" will not take root - most are AGAINST ...
        Patriots, on the other hand, should have a clear matrix program (without philosophizing)) aimed at the future and, if possible, very SIMPLE (three chords)) understandable to everyone ...
        TryamBlyam-For the year, taxes were canceled- the state lives on through the sale of raw materials and infrastructure ... Made for the year, applause and supporters increased))))
        Troula la-only Families were given for joint (free) use of the Earth, the rest please rent)))) When a divorce, everything is reset))))
        As a result, strong families, extremely conservative and a good electoral base for the RUSSIAN LAND PATRIOTS ....
        Tyrlim bom-Bom- Education, health care, social protection to the Soviet model .... People still live and remember what it is, the rest will like it))))

        And to write such articles will never occur to anyone)))
        It’s just that we need to be approached in a comprehensive way, the Liberals have muddied our heads for telling about mythical advantages, for example, a decrease in the price of electricity, and as a result, this led to the destruction of the RAO UES system and prices rose .....
        but about it, no one writes in the official media and TV ....

        And we need to remind, at every opportunity, to remember WHO WAS the culprit (as a rule, there are not many de-beels in power)) the deck hangs out from the same ones .... And the "moon-faced" is generally ONE and there is no replacement for him) ))))) among 200mln)))
        The myth of the liberals is quite persistent, and they seriously think that he drives it))))))))))))))))))))))))))

        But we have NO INDUSTRY ......
        Agriculture on my knees .....
        INFRASTRUCTURE in the cities, a little bit more and die ....
        The country does not have a Merchant Fleet (corresponding to it)))
        The volume of transportation of goods by Rail ....


        These are the Thoughts inspired by the article of the conversation of two People .....
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  7. Grbear
    Grbear 2 December 2013 07: 41
    +5
    The whole conversation is a classic example of the Western model of liberalism. It is necessary to improve life, but why according to their patterns? The inevitability of punishment is by no means a liberal value (pay back what you deserve and God marks the assault). Protecting nature - it's easy, not to crap at home. Juvenile - honor your parents, which will lead to love for the motherland. Corruption - Do Not Steal. What do we not have what they have?
    But we have already seen and are seeing the results. Vouchering is the introduction of an alien model under the guise of verbal fornication. The result is the robbery of the people. Jurisprudence is always not easy, but brought to the point of absurdity when - "My signature, but it's not me" or "I put on a belt and got a week in a state of passion and I don't speak Russian", or "Well, I stole a little, but this is political persecution" ... There are a lot of examples of absurdity.

    Liberals of all stripes hate Russia because only we have concepts: HONOR, CONSCIENCE, COMPETENCE and many others that are completely absent in the West. Internal bonds of a person are stronger than any "correct" Law. They are the goal of the whole game of liberalism. hi .
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 2 December 2013 08: 27
      +1
      Quote: GrBear
      graciousness is always not simple, but reduced to absurdity

      not just to the point of absurdity, but to the point that the theory is very different from practice ...
      even special parts of codes from the actions of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, prosecutors, court decisions and sentences.
  8. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 2 December 2013 09: 18
    +9
    We have: "Man is a friend to man, comrade and brother" drinks
    They have: "Man to man-wolf" am
    1. dmb
      dmb 2 December 2013 10: 53
      +5
      Unfortunately, we also have a wolf. After all, the slogan you quoted is from socialism, but we have terry capitalism, where a brother can be strangled for money (there are numerous examples). Patriot-Nevsky, and he is really a patriot, in his reasoning, it seems to me, makes one serious mistake. He is trying to invent a bicycle (Russian project), which is easier to call socialist, and which has long been invented. Yes, this project was not perfect, but tell me at least one idea, the implementation of which would be painless. The old always resists the new, and sometimes, alas, wins. How does the crowd that demolished monuments in the center of Moscow in 91 differ from today's crowd in Kiev, stinging in Europe and not realizing that nobody needs them there. The Moscow crowd also thought that Chubais would give them two Volgas each. And now (see the last 2 articles about Putin and comments to them) a number of our fellow citizens in all seriousness believe that Putin will say, and everyone who grabs them will immediately return what they have grabbed. (Have you seen the faces of "patriots" Yakunin, Timchenko and others?). Therefore, there are very correct words in the International: "No one will give us deliverance, neither God, nor the tsar and not a hero ..." Sooner or later people will understand this again. Of course I would like to go early.
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  10. Archikah
    Archikah 2 December 2013 09: 37
    +4
    One thing is strange - everyone read about the systems of controlled chaos, the golden billion, the decline in the population level around the world, etc. Well, nobody wants to see it in reality. Here is this wonderful conversation, two worthy gentlemen, the same from the same direction. We are being gradually and systematically destroyed. Many people are right when they say that they hate Russia and want to destroy it. But not men from the woods with Berdans, but sweet-voiced journalists hired by our sworn friends from the USA and Israel. Look around. As they say in the well-known saying: "Look around you. Do not f .... t who is you." am
  11. lukke
    lukke 2 December 2013 10: 36
    +2
    a blind man’s conversation with a deaf or a ram chewing grass ... what does the system of law have to do with it? Roman, Anglo-Saxon ... Our trouble is that our laws for various reasons are not enforced and there is no inevitability of punishment, and so - our Criminal Code is the most humane in the world. And the topic with LGBT people is not at the box office at all - it's like comparing the performance characteristics of tanks and focusing on the color of the headset, in this case pink
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  13. carver
    carver 2 December 2013 10: 42
    +4
    The leadership of the Russian Federation should proclaim a course on the production of high quality goods and long term use, with the rejection of excess profits in state planning.


    Here it is the basis of the foundations for the beginning of rebirth. It was this phrase that showed me that this person clearly says smart things.
    1. Starina_hank
      Starina_hank 2 December 2013 20: 02
      +3
      Our leadership of the Russian Federation can proclaim anything, you’re not tired of shaking noodles from your ears?
      1. carver
        carver 2 December 2013 22: 59
        +2
        Yes, what does the leadership have to do with it, I highlighted what, in my opinion, is the basis for the further development of humanity as a whole.
        1. Nevsky_ZU
          2 December 2013 23: 01
          +1
          I agree with you carver drinks
  14. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 2 December 2013 11: 13
    +1
    And what do you think will save the great Russian civilization?

    Firstly, the real independence of Russia. But if we are talking about the topic of conversation, then we restrict our personality for the sake of society, therefore, a tendency to totalitarianism, but the possibility of mobilization has always saved. For the sake of other personalities, even if they are a minority, LGBT people and sitting behind a fence in their fortress (away from other personalities) are simply indicators.
  15. Christian
    Christian 2 December 2013 11: 14
    +4
    Russian project-revival and supremacy of Orthodox values, Russian way of life based on these values ​​and traditions.
  16. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 2 December 2013 11: 45
    +2
    I must say that such a task (liberal values) in history was set only by the colonial authorities of the West in their program of westernization of other peoples. This program failed, although it destroyed a number of weak cultures. At the same time, peoples who lost their cultures did not, for example, become Anglo-Saxons, only swarthy or slanting. They just died away, disappeared from the face of the earth, like the Indians in the United States or the natives of Australia. And strong cultures, even taking a lot from the West, retained their foundations and values ​​- Indians remained Hindus, Chinese - Chinese, Arabs - Arabs. In the West, liberal values ​​arose during the catastrophic religious revolution, called the Reformation. What scale it was a disaster, it is clear from the fact that Germany in its course lost 2/3 of the population. Socially philosophical doctrine based on liberal values, setting forth the principles of a “correct” social system and called liberalism, developed in the most complete form in England, and in its purest form embodied in the United States, where the influence of traditions was less. There liberal values ​​could be affirmed on a clean platform, cleared of the local population. ("Liberal values ​​or Russia?" S.G. Semenova)

    The attempt to remake Russia according to the Anglo-Saxon model is so ridiculous and utopian that many do not believe in its sincerity and think that this is just a disguise to create general chaos in order to catch all the fish in troubled waters. But for our fate, in principle, it does not matter, they break the foundations of Russia under the banner of liberalism sincerely or for the sake of theft. The main thing is that there is no chance of successfully completing this "reform". There was no case in the history of a successful reform that contradicted the main values ​​of the people and changed the very core of its culture. There was no such case, and now will not be. ("Liberal values ​​or Russia?" S.G. Semenova)
  17. shark
    shark 2 December 2013 11: 51
    10
    Pay attention, the correspondent refers many times to the fact that "many people are ready to give up free fishing for the sake of inevitability of punishment" I want to see these "many people." Where are they hiding? Why aren't I dating? Why does he submit this statement as an axiom? Personally, I do not want two-centimeter lawns next to the neat house of a neat neighbor, an informer. I want to be able to give my son a good belt when I find a pack of cigarettes in his pockets. My family is my own business. And no individual rights will make me refuse it. for this is a true axiom, not a liberal vyager
  18. Ross
    Ross 2 December 2013 12: 39
    +2
    Quote: Aleks tv
    What about liberalism? Be twofold? This is definitely not ours.

    Liberalism is the mental decomposition of a person, turning him into a consumption machine.
  19. Ross
    Ross 2 December 2013 12: 39
    +3
    Quote: Aleks tv
    What about liberalism? Be twofold? This is definitely not ours.

    Liberalism is the mental decomposition of a person, turning him into a consumption machine.
  20. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 2 December 2013 13: 15
    +3
    Liberasty is neo-Darwinism, a cult of the body, as opposed to the kingdom of SPIRIT. The soul that has moved to the cult of the body turns into madness, the soul, in the kingdom of SPIRIT, turns into a creator.
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 3 December 2013 00: 23
      0
      Well, an individual was found in order to prove the old postulate minusanu that if you throw a stone / stick in a litter, then the one that hit it screeches ... Hit ... RAD. bully
  21. FormerMariman
    FormerMariman 2 December 2013 13: 47
    +1
    Quote: avant-garde
    I protest against such pictures sad
    1. Monday
    2. Three hours before lunch !!!!
    But in general good

    Okay, okay we have a day off! And if the lobbying of military industrialists in the US Congress is serious (the Pentagon has the largest military budget), as a result, this democracy and liberalism is implanted in "non-democratic" countries (Iraq, Libya, etc.). So business is not very transparent there, the government is right too they have in favor of the minority and economic prosperity will soon be covered with a copper basin!
  22. FormerMariman
    FormerMariman 2 December 2013 13: 47
    0
    Quote: avant-garde
    I protest against such pictures sad
    1. Monday
    2. Three hours before lunch !!!!
    But in general good

    Okay, okay we have a day off! And if the lobbying of military industrialists in the US Congress is serious (the Pentagon has the largest military budget), as a result, this democracy and liberalism is implanted in "non-democratic" countries (Iraq, Libya, etc.). So business is not very transparent there, the government is right too they have in favor of the minority and economic prosperity will soon be covered with a copper basin!
  23. Arget
    Arget 2 December 2013 14: 47
    +3
    We need an empire. Only when Russia was an empire (Russian, then Red), we had a national idea, so we were invincible. soldier IMHO
    1. alone
      alone 2 December 2013 19: 06
      +1
      Quote: Arget
      We need an empire. Only when Russia was an empire (Russian, then Red), we had a national idea, so we were invincible.


      And can you find out where was this national idea when they both fell apart?
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  25. Ross
    Ross 2 December 2013 15: 32
    +2
    Quote: Peaceful military
    Liberasty is neo-Darwinism, a cult of the body, as opposed to the kingdom of SPIRIT. The soul that has moved to the cult of the body turns into madness, the soul, in the kingdom of SPIRIT, turns into a creator.

    The cult of the body - a return to animal instincts - degradation and transformation into a monkey.
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 2 December 2013 16: 20
      +3
      Quote: Ross
      Quote: Peaceful military
      Liberasty is neo-Darwinism, a cult of the body, as opposed to the kingdom of SPIRIT. The soul that has moved to the cult of the body turns into madness, the soul, in the kingdom of SPIRIT, turns into a creator.

      The cult of the body - a return to animal instincts - degradation and transformation into a monkey.

      WORSE! A monkey lives and acts strictly in the paradigm of instincts, and a person with a crazy soul goes beyond any paradigm.
  26. zub46
    zub46 2 December 2013 21: 48
    +2
    The article is complex, it causes double feelings. No, yet Russia must go its own way. The European perception of the world is not for us in many ways. We are Russians.
  27. goldfinger
    goldfinger 3 December 2013 00: 16
    -2
    Neighbor Belarus.
    For example, to heat your house with the ashes of dead relatives? Cit.
    What's this? Do the authors present certificates from a psychiatrist before "admission" to the site?
  28. demotivator
    demotivator 3 December 2013 07: 04
    0
    Over the past 20 years, we are only doing that, copying someone else's foreign experience, forgetting about our own. Our market leaders, starting with Gorbachev, at some point realized that they could not achieve success in one animal market and could not save the country, in the search for a new spiritual support they simply decided, in their uncreative spirit, to slam what lies on the surface in other countries. However, tying up something with a carbon copy is a dead way: you will always stumble upon a mismatch of patterns, national and other quotes. They tell us - but in other countries, whose patterns we are trying to live now, flying alien planes and eating alien food, it works! This is what confuses our compilers, who think like a naive chess player: I’ll just repeat the moves of the grandmaster! But mat is inevitable after the eighth move. Here the offer flashed to start producing high-quality goods, and the matter will go uphill by itself. I doubt it. Forgot what time we live? One example from the recent past. In 2002 we have a friendly alliance with Abkhazia. Then all of its population was given Russian citizenship, and Russian passports were promised - and the Abkhazians celebrated this day and night: “Long live Russia! Russians and Abkhazians are brothers forever! ” But our bureaucrats climbed into this holiday, on the back of America, ditching the issue of Russian passports. Then they killed the whole previously adopted plan: the loyal President of the Republic of Azerbaijan, in conjunction with the Russian Deputy Prime Minister, is using funds for the restoration of Abkhazia under a direct report to the Russian Federation. With gangster help, they changed the results of the presidential election, putting the “independent” Bagapsh, whom the criminal Solntsevo authority Besik Jonua grazed.
    But this patriotic bandit, who tried to harness Abkhazia to Russia on his own, was soon killed. And the current plundering of Russian money has blossomed, now under another slogan "Rob the Russians, save Abkhazia!" So we made a most faithful friend despising us for weak-willedness and a bureaucratic retreating ches, an enemy.