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Return from oblivion "Suvorov equal." Who is slowing down the process of paying tribute to White General Mikhail Skobelev

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Return from oblivion "Suvorov equal." Who is slowing down the process of paying tribute to White General Mikhail SkobelevThis fall in Moscow, St. Petersburg and in the Ryazan Region, solemn events dedicated to the 170 anniversary of the birth of the outstanding Russian military commander and military commander, Infantry General Mikhail Dmitrievich Skobelev were held. He passed away in 38 years and since his first baptism of fire in April, 1864 has managed to do an immeasurably much for Russia. The Imperial General Staff, he was called "Suvorov equal." And for personal bravery - in battle, he invariably appeared on a white horse and in a white uniform - the people received the nickname White General, or Ak-Pasha, as they called him in the Central Asian khanates and defeated, largely thanks to him, the Ottoman Empire. Once all of Russia idolized him. He is still a national hero of Bulgaria.


In the year 1918, by the decree of the Bolsheviks who came to power, the name of Skobelev was forgotten for decades. Today, his memory, though returning, is very slow, clearly disproportionate to the merits of this remarkable commander and patriot of the Russian state. For example, for several years there has been no means for establishing a monument to the White General, cast in bronze for a long time. Why this happens, "NVO" says the chairman of the international Skobelevsky Committee, twice Hero of the Soviet Union, cosmonaut, Major General Retired Alexei Leonov.

Skobelevskaya street in a shooting place

- Alexey Arkhipovich, first say a few words about the Skobelev Committee - what kind of organization is it, when was it created, what are its goals and objectives?

- The organization is public, it was recreated in 1995 year within the framework of the International Society "Slavs". The committee was established in 1904, the sister of Mikhail Dmitrievich, Nadezhda, and her husband, Beloselskaya-Belozerskaya. She managed to do a lot to preserve the memory of her outstanding brother. She opened a disabled house in the village of Spassky (now Zaborovo), in the south of the Ryazan Region, - this was very desirable during life, but Skobelev himself did not have time. She initiated that the city of New Margilan in the former Kokand Khanate, which was founded not without the participation of Mikhail Dmitrievich, was renamed Skobelev (since 1924, by the decision of Soviet power, it is called Fergana). In the same pre-revolutionary years of the 16 Division, which the White General commanded in the Balkans, was given the name Skobelevskaya. It is worth mentioning that the then Skobelev Committee took an active part in raising funds for a monument in Moscow to the hero of the Eastern hikes, Pleven and Shipka. And the majestic monument was installed on Tverskaya Square, soon also renamed Skobelevskaya. It is known that the royal family took an active part in the work of the committee and made its donations. Alas, in 1918, at the initiative of Lenin, this significant sculptural complex, which had an undoubted cultural value from all points of view, was vandalized destroyed.

Now the task of our committee is to organize the Skobelev readings, they are regularly held in different cities of Russia. In the 1995 year, in the days of the celebration of the 900 anniversary of Ryazan, we managed to open the bust of Skobelev. A year later, in Moscow, in the Yuzhnoye Butovo district, a memorial plaque was installed on one of the houses of the street, which was given his name, and in 2003, the metro station of the same name appeared here. However, my attitude to this is extremely negative. For some reason, the street is called Skobelevskaya, and not General Mikhail Skobelev, and the metro is also called accordingly.

- It is really difficult to imagine Zhukovskaya, Rokossovskaya or Konevskaya street.

- Exactly. All the more so, not far from Skobelevskaya Street - Admiral Ushakov Boulevard, Admiral Lazarev Street, Admiral Rudnev Street. Why did they treat Skobelev so dismissively - it is completely incomprehensible. Moreover, how is his name (as, probably, the names of the other outstanding personalities I have listed) related to the South Butovo? Especially if you know that the NKVD firing range and tens of thousands of innocent people were here, the Yezhov-Beria office destroyed in these places. Terrible disrespect!

When I sought to have one of the streets named after Skobelev, I suggested renaming one of those in the Taganka district, where the streets were literally teeming with Bolshevik names. Why was it possible in the past decade to rename Malaya Kommunisticheskaya to Stanislavsky Street, and Big Communist to Alexander Solzhenitsyn Street, and, say, Marxist Street to General Skobelev Street - not? What are the criteria for the approach? But such a renaming would be fair: Skobelev repeatedly suffered posthumously from the Bolsheviks - all six monuments erected in different parts of the former Russian Empire were demolished, they renamed all the squares and streets named after him, twice Red Army men and Chekists looted his estate, mocked his corpses and his mother.

In April 2007, after twelve years of efforts, the Skobelev Committee opened a memorial plaque to Mikhail Dmitrievich on the facade of the Commandant's House of the Peter and Paul Fortress in St. Petersburg. This is very important because Skobelev was born here, here he spent his early childhood, here, it seems, he inherited from his grandfather, the hero of the 1812 war, General Ivan Nikitich Skobelev, military talent, love and unprecedented respect for the soldiers.

In May of this year, a delegation of the committee headed by my deputy Vladle Gusarov visited Paris cemetery Neuy-sur-Seine, where she laid flowers on the grave of the founder of the Skobelev committee and the founder of the Society for medical assistance to wives, widows, children and orphans of the Russian-Japanese war, Princess Nadezhda Dmitrievny Beloselskaya-Belozerskaya, who died in 1920 year. We managed to find her grave as a result of many years of searching. The burial was neglected, brought him in order.

Several times I spoke with the director Nikita Mikhalkov about making a film about Skobelev. His worthy image was partially captured in the cinema only once - in 1954, in the film “Heroes of Shipka”, now forgotten. He seduced Nikita Sergeyevich with the fact that for the film version the personality of the White General - Ak-Pasha is very colorful, bright, the image can be revealed with numerous examples from his biography, which are so impressive that you don’t have to invent anything. He even sweetened the creator of “The Siberian Barber” and two “Burnt by the Sun” with the fact that the director himself resembles Skobelev and could play it successfully. But, as I understand, not interested.

We also worked with the administrations of the Ryazan Region and its Novoderevensky district, in which the Skobelev estate was located in 1800 for the area to be renamed Skobelevsky. Unsuccessfully. Not so long ago, the district was renamed Aleksandro-Nevsky - for its "capital", the village of the same name.

We are fighting with the Moscow authorities to install the board on the house number 3 on Teatralnom Drive. Here in 1882 there was a hotel "Dussot", in one of the rooms of which Mikhail Dmitrievich died. A few years ago, under the mayor of Yuri Luzhkov, an answer was sent to my appeal, wild in nature, its almost literal meaning: General Skobelev spent most of his life on campaigns (and all of them were listed), and in Moscow he was only passing and stayed at the hotel, where he died. Therefore, they say, to establish a memorial plaque impractical. Later, I received already favorable answers, but their meaning is that you have to go through the circles of bureaucratic hell in order to get final permission.

SYADI WITH CAPS TO COLLECT 52 MILLION

- With the monument the same situation?

- It was the main task of the Skobelev Committee in recent years. At first, everything seemed to work out. Our initiative was treated appropriately, a positive decision was made. At first, they wanted to restore the monument, destroyed in 1918, by the Bolsheviks - in this they all had complete unanimity. But when they began to look for design documents, they found little, maybe a quarter of what was required. And from photographs ... they, as a rule, are made from vantage points, but it is necessary that all angles should be. This is also not. Therefore, it was decided to make a new sculpture. As it should be, they announced a competition. It was presented with a half dozen options. By secret ballot the project of Alexander Rukavishnikov was chosen. He is known for his monuments to Vladimir Vysotsky at the Vagankovo ​​Cemetery, Yuri Nikulin on Tsvetnoy Boulevard, Alexander II in front of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior. They gave an order to prepare a full-size sample of clay and gypsum, as is usually done, before such a deadline.

Everything was done, the commission approved, allowed the casting. Cast. The installation was supposed to take place first in the 2009 year, but then experienced the effects of the financial crisis, moved to 2011. They also identified a place in Ilyinsky Square, along the Kitaigorodsky Passage, in the area of ​​Old Square, approximately in the middle between the monument to Cyril and Methodius and the monument-chapel to the grenadiers who fell in the battle of Plevna. However, this did not happen. Not under Luzhkov (there were some promises), nor with the mayor who replaced him, whom I fail to make it through. Maybe he would have resolved the issue positively, but “access to the body” was closed by his officials.

I am writing a letter to the president - all the more so since he came up with an initiative about the need to restore the names of famous regiments in the Russian Armed Forces, such as Preobrazhensky and Semenovsky, and these names were immediately assigned to two parts. Sent a reply! There, it seems, my letter was not read at all: after all, we have already passed all the stages to the installation of the monument. Okay, I am writing to the Minister of Culture Vladimir Medinsky. The answer is similar. Already on emotion, I again appeal to the president and the minister: keep your conscience, even read what I wrote to you earlier! And send my previous letters and answers to them. Recently I had a chance to speak on the Kultura TV channel in a program devoted to the White General, - he has already addressed the powers that be from the TV screen.

- Did the monuments to any other figures during these eight years appear in the capital when you fought with the installation of the monument to Skobelev?

- The fact of the matter is that yes - and not one! Monuments were posed to the poets Osip Mandelstam (in 2010), Joseph Brodsky (in 2011; by the way, Brodsky, born and lived in Leningrad, had only been to Moscow once before his emigre life), singer Muslim Magomayev (2011) , cellist Mstislav Rostropovich (in 2012), even earlier, in 2006, a monument to Abai was erected. I have nothing against these bright personalities in their own way, but why is Skobelev deprived?

In August, 2013, on the area of ​​three stations, was opened a magnificent complex “To the Creators of Russian Railways” with a representative, full-length, figure of the first Minister of Communications of the Russian Empire, engineer General Pavel Petrovich Melnikov in the center. He was a senior contemporary of Skobelev. But are these two individuals comparable? By and large, Melnikov was the minister of a single Moscow-Petersburg railway, one of the authors of whose project he was. Who knows this now, remember, except for narrow specialists?

Skobelev, whom, I recall, all Russia idolized, at one time more than anyone, brought to his homeland both fame and benefits, and authority in the world. “Equal to Suvorov”, he joined a number of Central Asian khanates, than he protected the entire southern “underbelly” of the country from the raids of gangster nomads. And he did it with minimal blood, acting, as he himself put it, "firmly, but with a heart." Having conquered Turkmenistan, he prevented the British from entering Turkestan. Driving the Turks from Bulgaria, he almost took Istanbul (the Western powers intervened, they did not). Then Bismarck said: “One Skobelev is worth several divisions!” Mikhail Dmitriyevich’s infinite concern for the welfare of the soldiers and officers subordinated to him is well known - isn’t this an example for current commanders? Some of his political views remain relevant to this day.
And also Moscow, Russia, in 2011, presented Skobelev's horse composition in 4 meters in Bulgaria's 90 centimeters. As far as I know, Gazprom has participated here.

- Do you see any background in all this?

In Bulgaria, Skobelev is still a national hero.


The picture of Nikolai Dmitriev-Orenburg “The Last Fight under the Plevna 28 of November 1877 of the Year”. 1889.
Militaryhistorical Museum of Artillery, Engineering and Signal Corps, St. Petersburg


- Yes, how to tell you. Strange, of course. But, on the other hand, they gave me to understand that Moscow has no money for the installation of such a statue (4,9 m) in Ilyinsky Square. And 52 requires a million rubles, as calculated in the city hall. However, the author of the sculpture, Alexander Rukavishnikov, argues that there is an opportunity to significantly reduce this amount, for the Moscow government can personally conclude an agreement with him, and not through intermediaries, then the installation would cost a maximum of 35 million rubles. The Skobelev Committee has neither 52, nor 35 millions, we are not a foundation.

You know, sometimes the hands already fall. Here, I think to myself, I will dress in full dress with epaulets of the general, two stars of the Hero and with all orders, I will sit with a hat opposite the Moscow Council, at the monument to Yury Dolgoruky (in his place once stood the Skobelev monument), and I will call out: "Good people , Moscow is impoverished, help raise funds for a monument to the great Russian general, you need nothing at all - some 52 million! ”

“Where is the Bronze White General now made?”

- In the workshop of the sculptor Rukavishnikov in Solnechnogorsk near Moscow. For years the cast figure has been standing in the open, waiting for its worthy hour, when it — I still very much believe in it — will be installed in a decent “place under the sun” in Moscow.

- According to the logic of things, a similar monument should be in St. Petersburg.

- There is such an initiative. Memorial plaque on the wall of the Peter and Paul Fortress, of course, is not enough. In the northern capital, we have a branch of the Skobelev Committee, headed by Dmitry Konstantinovich Ilkovsky. He came up with the idea to establish a monument to General Skobelev on Lenin Square, near the Finland Station. To some it may seem like a trick, PR, but the main thing for us is that such a monument in the city on the Neva should also appear. The place, of course, may be different, but similar, precisely worthy of the significant personality of Mikhail Dmitrievich. Because Skobelevsky Prospect, which exists in St. Petersburg since 1886 of the year (it is even surprising that the Bolsheviks did not rename it!), Is located not far from the Udelnaya metro station, it’s far from the center, which, we believe, is completely inappropriate for so that it was there that installed the monument to "Suvorov equal".

DECENTLY ON RYAZAN, SMALL IN MOSCOW AND PETER

- However, Alexey Arkhipovich, everything is not so bad. For the first time, celebrations were held on the occasion of the 170 anniversary of Skobelev. The Ryazan region was especially notable in this. You attended them, tell us what happened.

- Indeed, this event was noted at a very high level in Ryazan and the region, with the participation of guests from Bulgaria, where Mikhail Dmitrievich was honored as the savior of the fatherland, and from Belarus, where he commanded the army corps for several years, was an honorary citizen of Minsk. It was especially solemn in the village of Zaborovo (formerly Spassky), where the Skobelev estate, which became a memorial complex, was partially restored. Unfortunately, only the local press mainly talked about this. It is a pity, however, that the events were not held at the level of the head of the region (only Vice Governor Sergey Filimonov was present), and there were no high-ranking officials from the RF Ministry of Defense. Which, in my opinion, indicates an underestimation of Skobelev’s personality. This two-day celebration of the White General in the Ryazan region took place as part of the international scientific-practical conference “M.D. Skobelev: history and modernity. "

In Moscow and St. Petersburg, events dedicated to the 170 anniversary of Skobelev were modest. In the capital, a gathering commemorating the White General and a memorial service was held in Ilyinsky Square near the monument to the Heroes of Pleven. The event was attended by representatives of the Foundation of war veterans and participants of armed conflicts, the Military Historical Society under the President of the Russian Federation. By the way, I would like to take this opportunity to thank, through the "NVO", the Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces, Colonel-General Vladimir Chirkin, who ordered the military band and a division of the guard of honor to this celebration. The military with a banner passed in front of the monument to the grenadiers fallen under the Plevna. From the Ministry of Defense to the chapel was laid a wreath of flowers.

Well, in St. Petersburg, September 29, flowers were traditionally laid at the memorial plaque on the Commandant’s House in the Peter and Paul Fortress, in which the future general was born.

- The Defense Ministry could help the Skobelev Committee in restoring the memory of the White General?

- The name of Skobelev could be assigned to some objects of the army infrastructure - a military higher educational institution, a cadet corps. Or now the CSTO Academy is being created - one could think about assigning the name of Mikhail Dmitrievich to her too. But without assigning his name, much could be done. For example, in military schools could study in detail the biography of the commander. But this is not. Here Skobelev is in oblivion - even at the level of the Academy of the General Staff. Some time ago, the Skobelev Committee held an event at this school. The leadership did not even bother to invite the officers and generals who study there, only a small audience of “accidentally caught” persons gathered. Of these, few people knew about Skobelev. Then, however, several generals and division commanders approached.

They were surprised, for example, by the fact that Skobelev knew about a dozen languages, and the most diverse ones. As in his native French, he spoke well in German and English. And in battle campaigns he tolerably studied Bulgarian, Serbian, Kazakh, Kyrgyz, Uzbek, Turkmen, and partly Turkish. He led the campaign and began it not only from studying the whole situation and calculating the necessary forces for decisive success, but also a full understanding of the traditions and customs of those peoples inhabiting the territory on which they were to act. For this it was necessary and knowledge of the language. I ask students of the Academy of the General Staff: how many languages ​​do you know? Joking: perfectly perky and Russian with a dictionary. Sad It is unlikely that now something has changed for the better. Language is never too late to learn. I myself began to learn English in 40 for years, and in 42 of the year, already using it, I managed the most complicated technique.

- Why, in your opinion, do the military have such an attitude towards Skobelev? They study the military legacy, outstanding military achievements, for example, Dragomirov, Brusilov, Zhukov (with maybe different attitudes towards them as individuals), and Skobelev, if not completely forgotten, is clearly not studied in the proper amount.

- There are many reasons, not only 70-year-old oblivion to "Suvorov equal" after 1918 year. This is partly a social issue. Perhaps our military implicitly manifests jealousy of Skobelev's outstanding successes (many were jealous of him even during the life of the general, whispering to Alexander II and Alexander III who replaced him about the “Bonapartist manners” of Skobelev). He didn’t have 39 when he died, but by that time in the military field he had already done such great things - God forbid everyone! Of course, now there are no wars (and thank God!) For which one could distinguish oneself. But this is absolutely not the point. And in the essence of things, in the essence of the approaches to the study of military affairs, the embodiment of the experience and ideas of the great commander. And in our army, alas, still as in the kings of peas.

I AM CONVINCED THAT HE WAS POISONED

- Skobelevsky Committee and you personally initiate verification of the version that the commander's death was caused by poisoning.

- I studied various aspects of the circumstances of his death and I am convinced that Mikhail Dmitrievich was poisoned. It is hard to believe that a young, 38, bursting with health, was a general who passed sands and salt marshes of the Central Asian deserts and snow Shipka, "conspired" from bullets, suddenly, without a word, taking a sip of wine, died in a hotel room. His so incredible death stunned all of Russia then. And at the Skobelev conference in Ryazan in September of this year, I again raised this issue. Moreover, today there are very large opportunities to determine whether there was a poisoning. The fact that 51-year-old Napoleon died from the effects of poison was found out almost every year after 200.

- What will it give? And how to determine who is the poisoner, who ordered the murder?

- It will give historical justice: an outstanding person, a true patriot of Russia, who brought her many benefits, was meanly killed in the prime of life, strength, creative energy. But whoever did this — the tsarist secret police at the behest of the authorities or the German spies at the instigation of Bismarck — is not so important.

Let history not have a subjunctive mood, but we must remember that in the years following the death of Mikhail Dmitrievich, especially during the failures that had persecuted our army and navy during the 1904 – 1905 Russian-Japanese war, many exclaimed: “Oh, if Skobelev would be alive today! ”His disciple and associate in the Balkans and in the Akhal-Teke campaign, General Alexei Kuropatkin, who commanded the imperial troops in the Far East, was not only not up to the mark, but thoughtlessly toppled a battle after a battle. When he, who commanded the Manchurian army at first, Nicholas II, appointed commander-in-chief of all Far Eastern forces, the already-aged General of Infantry Mikhail Ivanovich Dragomirov, who himself had rejected such a “flattering” offer, having learned about the appointment of Kuropatkin, quipped: “And who will be Skobelev is there? ”Kuropatkin was a good executive officer of the headquarters of the White General, but to be a commander - you must have a special gift. However, he himself objectively assessed his capabilities - in response to the assignment he sent a telegram to the king: “Only poverty in people made Your Majesty choose me.”

The shortage of personalities like Skobelev was still felt, and it was not for nothing that the people's funds were collected during these years, and in 1912 a magnificent monument was erected to him in Moscow.

Skobelev was Russian unique, the brightest phenomenon. He is undoubtedly in the first not even the top ten, but in the top five outstanding people of Russia. Let me remind you once again - “Equal to Suvorov,” as his contemporaries evaluated the White General.
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  1. TAIM
    TAIM 30 November 2013 09: 58
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    always surprised when I read about the Russian-Turkish war. siege of Plevna. in Bulgaria, Skobelev was considered a hero. Monuments to him stood even in Soviet times. and we have silence. in the history textbook one line that there was such a general.
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 30 November 2013 10: 05
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      But the Gaidar is not offended by the attention of the grateful Abramovich-Khodorkovsky (in the sense of their kagal).
      And the fact that people like it, like a suitcase on Red Square, is purple.
    2. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 30 November 2013 12: 13
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      Quote: TAIM
      in the history textbook one line that there was such a general.

      This just points to those who write our history textbooks. And history is known to serve the political regime. So it’s not relevant today to glorify Russian generals Skobelev and Ermolov, but how many modern Heroes of Russia do we know?
      But we put up monuments to the traitors to EBN and Yegor Gaidar.
      http://vg-saveliev.livejournal.com/555972.html
      by the way, the people quickly dubbed him - One-armed bandit! laughing
      1. bilgesez
        bilgesez 30 November 2013 12: 53
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        modern hero of Russia kadyrov. these are Putin’s heroes.
        1. KEKS44
          KEKS44 1 December 2013 13: 32
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          Quote: bilgesez
          modern hero of Russia kadyrov. these are Putin’s heroes.

          Politics however. Yes, Kadyrov was a bandit no one saw the light, but he is holding Chechnya in his fist while holding it. I do not think that GDP is delighted with this freak, but where to go?
      2. patriot64
        patriot64 1 December 2013 06: 05
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        In our time, the hero-general was immediately imprisoned for his statement: "I am ready to write on my banner - Russia for the Russians and in Russian, and raise this banner as high as possible."

        Skobolev Mikhail Dmitrievich, Russian general, hero of the Russian-Turkish war. good
        1. stroporez
          stroporez 1 December 2013 06: 57
          +4
          in vo.vovan he would quickly "draw" a "Russian" article wassat we’ll hurt the sentence to wait much faster than Serdyukov .......
    3. Very old
      Very old 30 November 2013 14: 41
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      1.V.I. NEMIROVICH-DANCHENKO. Skobelev: Personal memories and impressions.
      2.N.N. Knorring, General Mikhail Dmitrievich SKOBELEV. (Historical study)
      -Ed. "Patriot", M., 1992
      In addition: 1.V.S. Pikul: General on a white horse (source miniature)
      2. V.S. Pikul: The Battle of the Iron Chancellors.
      These books are one of the first places on my bookshelves. Today's article will be next. It is a pity that not only the current generation does not know a warrior, Suvorov is equal.
      WE WILL FORGET! Pass on to children and grandchildren.
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 30 November 2013 19: 36
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        Similarly. Pikul very much respect.
      2. KEKS44
        KEKS44 1 December 2013 13: 38
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        [quote = Very old] V.S. Pikul: Battle of the Iron Chancellors. [/ qu
        Yes, the book is really nothing. "Convoy pq-17", "Bayazet" and "Barbarossa" are out of competition. But these are books of fiction rather than history.
    4. alone
      alone 30 November 2013 22: 42
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      “Good people, Moscow has become impoverished, help raise funds for a monument to the great Russian general, you just need nothing — some 52 million!”


      A shame!! there is no 52 million rubles in the country to erect a monument to the general, who made more than 52 trillion for the Motherland ..
      1. Very old
        Very old 30 November 2013 23: 09
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        And the UK believes that Serdyuchka-Taburetkin-Derevyashkin-Khalatny and the other, and the other, (to hell with regalia) stole only 56
    5. yurii p
      yurii p 30 November 2013 23: 23
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      "the people who do not remember their history have no future" ... I did not say it, but this is the whole answer, no more add.
    6. Combitor
      Combitor 1 December 2013 04: 59
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      TAIM RU Yesterday, 09:58, I think that history as a science should be approached only from a cognitive and practical standpoint. This is if we take the attitude of the state and its citizens in general to their history. Event-date of its accomplishment-result-practical benefit or harm in the end. No ideology. Let the political parties give an ideological assessment of this or that event. Fortunately, we have a lot of them. But only an ideological assessment should not be present in educational literature, with the exception, perhaps, only of the liberation wars waged by our state. It is impossible to assess the war of the Soviet people against the fascist invaders without an ideological component. But this is one of the few examples. But in our country, even the Tatar-Mongol yoke, many "new" historians are trying to give an ideological coloring. Although it turned out that the existence of the Golden Horde itself is in question. But that's another song.
      And when we begin to evaluate the history of our state without any ideology, then there will be monuments to Skobelev, and Wrangel, and Denikin, and Tukhachevsky ...
      In the meantime, someone believes that the monument to General Skobelev is not needed.
      PS When I was in school in the 70s and we studied the Russian-Turkish war, a whole lesson was devoted to General Skobelev. One student read a report about him. This is in a Soviet school.
      1. vlad.svargin
        vlad.svargin 1 December 2013 15: 09
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        Combitor (3)
        PS When I was in school in the 70s and we studied the Russian-Turkish war, a whole lesson was devoted to General Skobelev. One student read a report about him. This is in a Soviet school.

        I join, as boys in 1954-55 we watched a film about General Skobelev "Heroes of Shipka" several times. He is still alive, in the USSR they knew him and remembered him, this is a reproach to the author, although the article is topical in our time:
        In 1918, by decree of the Bolsheviks who came to power, Skobelev’s name was forgotten for decades. Today, the memory of him, although returning, is very slow, clearly disproportionate to the merits of this remarkable commander and patriot of the Russian state.
      2. s1н7т
        s1н7т 1 December 2013 22: 46
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        For Wrangel / Denikin - minus, however. Supporters of Russia arr. Such monuments may be set up privately in their gardens / villas. 13th year. And no peaceful atoms for you, no flights into space - really, somehow, not in a Christian way. laughing
      3. s1н7т
        s1н7т 1 December 2013 22: 46
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        For Wrangel / Denikin - minus, however. Supporters of Russia arr. Such monuments may be set up privately in their gardens / villas. 13th year. And no peaceful atoms for you, no flights into space - really, somehow, not in a Christian way. laughing
    7. воронов
      воронов 1 December 2013 19: 27
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      Quote: TAIM
      Monuments to him stood even in Soviet times.

      What are the places where in the USSR there were monuments to Skobelev?
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  4. domokl
    domokl 30 November 2013 10: 00
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    It’s interesting to ask, did the head of this committee visit Shoigu? I wrote to the president ... Well, well ... I read and understand that instead of specific work, the committee has become a bureaucratic structure, which is no longer profitable to erect a monument ... More precisely, the committee He wants to do everything that he did before the revolution. But they ask for money from the state.
    Such tactics will not work. For great and undeservingly forgotten names, it is not posts and money that make, but revive the memory. And now the committee resembles the Russian imperial house. It seems to be, and for what no one knows.
    1. gladysheff2010
      gladysheff2010 30 November 2013 20: 18
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      Poorly learn the material you read, my friend! Firstly: Alexei Arkhipovich, being a well-deserved man himself, does not sit idly by at the computer, criticizing mediocre ones, but leads the committee in memory of General Skobelev, and secondly: A.A. Leonov expressed himself completely military it’s clear and clear that a committee is not a fund, as they say: feel the difference. If you have a desire and an opportunity, help, but don’t stipulate a distinguished person!
      1. dmb
        dmb 2 December 2013 11: 46
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        The fact that Leonov is a well-deserved person is beyond doubt. Therefore, it is doubly unpleasant when, in his interview, like the rest of the "fighters against totalitarianism," he could not resist not to kick the Soviet power, forgetting that without it, most likely, he would simply not exist as an astronaut (see biography and History of the USSR) ... As for Skobelev, Leonov himself mentions Skobelevskaya Street, and the film was not filmed in any way in the era of democracy. And finally, Skobelev is certainly an outstanding personality, but there were no less talented commanders (Rumyantsev, Dolgoruky-Krymsky) and politicians (Potemkin) who did much more for Russia. So the excitement around the monument is not entirely clear.
  5. erased
    erased 30 November 2013 10: 01
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    Skobelev is not only a hero and a talented commander. He, like Suvorov, Kutuzov, Zhukov, is a symbol of Russia and its military power. To perpetuate the memory of him is a necessary and correct thing.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 30 November 2013 10: 09
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      quote-This fall, in Moscow, St. Petersburg and the Ryazan region, ceremonies were held dedicated to the 170 anniversary of the birth of the outstanding Russian commander and military commander, general from infantry Mikhail Dmitrievich Skobelev.


      1. Very old
        Very old 30 November 2013 14: 49
        +1
        Unfortunately, with formal events it was all over
    2. Genur
      Genur 30 November 2013 12: 49
      +4
      It seems that only abram could zaminusat article
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  7. Stinger
    Stinger 30 November 2013 10: 14
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    Unfortunately, in Russia, once a label is stuck, it is very difficult to tear off. As the saying goes, whether he stole, or stolen from him, it doesn’t matter. It is important to defame a person. Good luck to the Skobelev Committee!
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  9. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 30 November 2013 10: 35
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    <<< Skobelev, who, let me remind you, was idolized by all of Russia, at one time more than anyone else, brought glory, benefits, and authority in the world to his Motherland. "Equal to Suvorov" Today, though the memory of him returns, but very slowly, clearly disproportionate to the merits of this wonderful commander and patriot of the Russian state. For example, for several years no funds have been found to erect a monument to the White General, cast in bronze long ago. >>>
    Skobelev, he is too RUSSIAN! Our liberal figures, the arrogant Russophobian antiligentia, who often decide to perpetuate the memory of a person, prefer other surnames more and it doesn’t matter that they are INCOMPATIBLE with Skobelev in scale and significance for Russia!
    1. copper49
      copper49 1 December 2013 14: 53
      +1
      I agree. Skobelev was too Russian, and somehow did not really respect the famous nation that was under the flag of "cosmopolitanism". Much has been written about him by his friend, the battle painter V. Vereshchagin, his memoirs are easy to find on the net. (also by the way tightly forgotten after 17 years). This is probably why the memory of Skobelev is so diligently obscured. Speaking of monuments: in 2007 or 2008 Bulgarians erected an equestrian monument to Skobelev in Pleven, on a worthy pedestal and worthy size. They found money, despite the frank poverty of this country today.
  10. major071
    major071 30 November 2013 10: 37
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    Several times I spoke with director Nikita Mikhalkov about making a film about Skobelev. He even sweetened the creator of The Siberian Barber and two Burnt by the Sun with the fact that the director himself looks like Skobelev and could play it with success. But, as I understand it, he was not interested.

    Found someone to interest. Mikhalkov can play only the tsar-emperor, well, or God in a pinch, and then a simple Russian general. Not by status it is to us, with the great.
  11. varov14
    varov14 30 November 2013 11: 19
    +7
    The power of the little crooks cannot perpetuate the memory of the hero of Russia. This will be contrary to her policies. Now, if someone ruins Russia as well, then a monument will also be erected to him as EBN_u
    1. Simon
      Simon 30 November 2013 13: 48
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      yes EBN when it came to power, did everything against Russia, humiliated it with its actions, fawned on amers, arranged a circus and clowning around the world on TV. But Skobelev earned his authority and glory for Russia. That's why he deserves a monument, so that descendants know their heroes and are proud of them.
    2. stroporez
      stroporez 1 December 2013 07: 02
      +1
      it’s not a pity for such a thing (installation of a monument) .......... Toko here is stopudovo sure --- another Kremlin slut of bruliks or whatever crap will be bought by people collected ........
  12. varov14
    varov14 30 November 2013 11: 19
    +1
    The power of the little crooks cannot perpetuate the memory of the hero of Russia. This will be contrary to her policies. Now, if someone ruins Russia as well, then a monument will also be erected to him as EBN_u
  13. Christian
    Christian 30 November 2013 11: 20
    +5
    Raising the self-awareness and self-respect of the Russian people, to put it mildly, is not the task of the Putin regime. Therefore, they do not raise Russian heroes "on a pedestal" - because the people can wake up, and then ...
    1. smile
      smile 30 November 2013 18: 27
      +2
      Christian
      Very interesting .... But could you continue, then what?

      Further, a request - if you remove the bad Putin, whom do you read in his place? Well, boldly - answer - this is even more interesting than dreams of a civil war that will bury Russia.
  14. Bagatur
    Bagatur 30 November 2013 11: 31
    +9
    General Skobelev spent most of his life on campaigns (and all of them were listed), and in Moscow he was only traveling and staying in a hotel, where he died. Therefore, they say, to establish a memorial plaque is impractical. Later, supportive answers were already sent to me, but their meaning is that one must go through the circles of bureaucratic hell in order to get a final permission.

    SYADI WITH CAPS TO COLLECT 52 MILLION


    If it happened with us ... believed be. But in Russia ??? How many people in Moscow and St. Petersburg ... 15-20 million and they can’t collect 52 million rubles .... sad!
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 30 November 2013 11: 45
      10
      I am ready to give money, but do not forget that many people live in the capitals for a long time, who neither Russian nor their history need and are not interested.
    2. gladysheff2010
      gladysheff2010 30 November 2013 20: 25
      +2
      My dear, if you carefully read the article, you will understand, it’s not about the money, but apparently about who gets what with this cash, and these people are not the face of Russia, but a completely different part of it!
  15. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 30 November 2013 11: 33
    +8
    The enemies of Russia did their best "to glory": they not only poisoned (which I never doubted), but denigrate and persecute Skobelev even after his death. The petty dirty tricks calling themselves the elite of society are in fact as the leader of the world proletariat said: "... they are shit of the nation ", hence the conclusion - shit always stinks. So they erect monuments to all kinds of traitors, alcoholics and anyone else, but not the Great Son of the Russian people. And where is our respected Guarantor of the Constitution or his calls for the revival of Russian traditions and Russian glory only "rustle of nuts".
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 1 December 2013 07: 05
      +1
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      .And where is our esteemed Guarantor of the Constitution or his calls for the revival of Russian traditions and Russian glory only "the rustle of nuts."
      ---- as always - "and what does the Vovan have to do with it ???? he is" on the galleys "........."
      1. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 1 December 2013 09: 51
        0
        What is rowing or "shoveling away"?
  16. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 30 November 2013 11: 33
    +1
    The enemies of Russia did their best "to glory": they not only poisoned (which I never doubted), but denigrate and persecute Skobelev even after his death. The petty dirty tricks calling themselves the elite of society are in fact as the leader of the world proletariat said: "... they are shit of the nation ", hence the conclusion - shit always stinks. So they erect monuments to all kinds of traitors, alcoholics and anyone else, but not the Great Son of the Russian people. And where is our respected Guarantor of the Constitution or his calls for the revival of Russian traditions and Russian glory only "rustle of nuts".
  17. fzr1000
    fzr1000 30 November 2013 11: 43
    +3
    Thank you for the monuments to Brusilov, Kornilov and Ermolov.
    1. Simon
      Simon 30 November 2013 13: 53
      +2
      Russia should know its heroes, although many of them were on the other side of the barricades in the Civil War. They all fought for Russia, but each for his own. yes
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  19. avg
    avg 30 November 2013 12: 11
    +3
    We need to temporarily attach the Olympic torch to the sculpture and put it in the right place, I think it will help.
    Not only will she not be touched, but officials will even begin to give honor.
  20. svp67
    svp67 30 November 2013 12: 40
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    Strange, this is how the monument looked originally ...

    well, they’re doing it now ...

    As they say - FEEL THE DIFFERENCE
    1. alone
      alone 30 November 2013 22: 50
      +1
      In the old days they knew how to make good monuments.

      As for the current monument, why is a general without weapons? Was it hard to guess?
    2. copper49
      copper49 1 December 2013 14: 59
      +1
      And do not say ... THAT monument: "Forward, guys, to victory!", And the current one: "Damn, I will upset the horse! Something is taking me in the wrong direction ... it's time to look back." In a word, the spirit of the current government has been fully realized.
  21. AK-47
    AK-47 30 November 2013 12: 48
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    It is sad when the true heroes of Russia are forgotten.
  22. igor67
    igor67 30 November 2013 13: 05
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    But today the great actor Yuri Yakovlev, the lieutenant Rzhevsky, Tsar Ivan Vasilievich, eternal memory to the great actor died!
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 30 November 2013 16: 03
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      Quote: igor67
      eternal memory to the great actor!

      Sovereign John Vasilievich and Bunsha manager: one artist = two persons. The national hero Lieutenant Rzhevsky - Vasily Ivanovich and Petka are a little less popular. I condole with his family and fans of the great artist!
      1. Very old
        Very old 30 November 2013 19: 13
        +4
        Real Lieutenant! Three thousand devils!
      2. alone
        alone 30 November 2013 22: 52
        +2
        he could equally skillfully portray lumpy roles and the roles of outstanding personalities. I liked how he played the role of General Petrovsky. He was a great actor. hi
    2. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 30 November 2013 17: 25
      +9
      There was a great actor and a bright man. I am joining.
      1. Very old
        Very old 30 November 2013 22: 10
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        Guys, look at the Vesti site, ru = what it IS
        "the theater world mourns"
        We mourn. Mr. BI departed; how touching he was
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 1 December 2013 05: 11
        +5
        "very nice ... king!" and it's really damn it .... what a pity! Bright memory...
        1. stroporez
          stroporez 1 December 2013 07: 10
          +3
          this is not Nikita Mikhalkov's attempts, it was nice to watch .......... really "hooked"
  23. knn54
    knn54 30 November 2013 14: 24
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    THE WHOLE Slavic world looked at Skobelev as a leader, who was supposed to lead the Russian regiments, and with them half-Slavs to the enemy and achieve victory, no matter how powerful this enemy was.
    "Gentlemen, at the very time when we joyfully gathered here, there, on the shores of the Adriatic Sea, our fellow tribesmen, defending their faith and nationality, are called robbers and treat them as such! There, in our native Slavic land, German- Magyar rifles are aimed at the breasts of the same faith ...
    THESE words said on January 12, 1882, on the anniversary of the capture of Geok-Tepe, caused shock in our and foreign newspapers
    Here are the answers to the questions: WHO poisoned, and WHO slows down the process of paying tribute to White General Mikhail Skobelev.
    SLAVOPHOBES!
    PS Let the FRIENDS know:
    And Pozharsky, Minin, are alive in us,
    Suvorov, Skobelev, they are
    They are calling us ahead; strong by them
    The folk spirit in misery days.
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  25. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 30 November 2013 14: 35
    +5
    Skobelev's name was not in oblivion. I learned about it well enough at school, even more at VVUz. Another thing is that its monuments, streets, cities, etc. his name was not, so many of which there were no names and no.
    Skobelev, undoubtedly the person was bright, talented, and if he had not gone into eternity so early, he would have been able to do much more for the Homeland. But to choke with delight, extolling it to heaven, I would not.
    Surely he deserves a wider perpetuation.
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 30 November 2013 15: 56
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      Quote: Peaceful military
      I would not choke with delight, extolling it to heaven.
      Surely he deserves a wider perpetuation.

      Approved !!! Thank you, benefactor. Only here is approval ... let's say shaky, both ours and yours.
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 30 November 2013 17: 19
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        Quote: 11111mail.ru
        Approved !!! Thank you, benefactor. Only here is approval ... let's say shaky, both ours and yours.

        What nonsense? fool
        1. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 30 November 2013 19: 56
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          Quote: Peaceful military
          What nonsense?

          Regard as a bossy roar? Or don't give a damn? Spit!
          1. Very old
            Very old 30 November 2013 21: 05
            +4
            Foolishness or not is not important. Is it the way they say it with a colleague in the forum?
          2. Peaceful military
            Peaceful military 30 November 2013 21: 14
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            Quote: 11111mail.ru
            Quote: Peaceful military
            What nonsense?

            Regard as a bossy roar? Or don't give a damn? Spit!

            fool hi
            1. Very old
              Very old 30 November 2013 21: 31
              +2
              That should be a worthy answer
              1. Peaceful military
                Peaceful military 30 November 2013 22: 06
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                Quote: Old very
                That should be a worthy answer

                Yes, I do not want to spend on this inadequate individual. soldier
  26. individual
    individual 30 November 2013 15: 02
    +4
    Mikhail Dmitrievich Skobelev (1843-1882) - an outstanding Russian military commander and strategist, infantry general, adjutant general. Member of the Central Asian conquests of the Russian Empire and the Russo-Turkish War.
    It turns out that for us living Skobelev - a hero of Russia.
    During the years of his life he was called in the oriental manner "Ak-Pasha" for his white uniform and unparalleled heroism.
    That is all true.
    But years have passed and the civil war still divides us into red and white, and the word "white general" hurts the ear.
    Is it because the echo of the past confrontation echoed in the memory of a worthy man of a military general.
    In the memory of the people and on the installed monument should be the inscription:
    "Mikhail Dmitrievich Skobelev (1843-1882) - an outstanding Russian military leader and strategist, general of infantry, adjutant general. Member of the Central Asian conquests of the Russian Empire and the Russian-Turkish war."
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  28. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 30 November 2013 15: 24
    +5
    The fact of the matter is that yes - and not one! Monuments were erected to the poets Osip Mandelstam (in 2010), Joseph Brodsky (in 2011; incidentally, Brodsky, who was born and lived in Leningrad, had only once or twice been to Moscow before his emigrant life), singer Muslim Magomayev (2011) , cellist Mstislav Rostropovich (in 2012), even earlier, in 2006, a monument was built to Abai. I have nothing against these bright personalities in my own way, but why is Skobelev deprived of something?

    Because he is Russian. The conclusion suggests itself.
  29. Reindeer herder
    Reindeer herder 30 November 2013 15: 42
    +3
    I have nothing against these bright personalities in my own way, but why is Skobelev deprived of something?
    Because he is Russian.
  30. 11111mail.ru
    11111mail.ru 30 November 2013 15: 48
    +2
    131 years after the death of Mikhail Dmitrievich Skobelev is still deleted from the history of Russia by the Bolsheviks. Democracy has already shone in the vastness of Russia for almost 20 years. And the White General is still in disgrace. Because he loved Russia and Russia loved her son.
    The revolution has a beginning, the revolution has no end. Trotsky’s cause lives and wins!
  31. demotivator
    demotivator 30 November 2013 16: 31
    +5
    The memory of the outstanding Russian commander was preserved not only in Russia, but also in other countries. In Uzbekistan - the city of Fergana. Wikipedia reports that the city was founded in 1876. On June 18, 1887, the Design of a New City named New Margilan was approved. Since 1907 it was renamed SKOBELYOV, and since 1924 it has been called Ferghana. The initiator of the creation of the city is Mikhail Dmitrievich Skobelev. Founder, first organizer - second military governor Alexander Konstantinovich Abramov.
    In the Bulgarian city of Pleven there is a park-museum named after General Skobelev, on whose territory
    the building with the panorama "Pleven epic" is located. The bust monument to M. D. Skobelev is also currently located in Pleven, next to the house-museum of Tsar-Liberator Alexander II.
    One of the central BOULEVARDS in the Bulgarian capital - SOFII was named after M. D. Skobelev, and on the wall of one of the houses there is a memorial plate with the name and image of the general.
    Five Bulgarian villages bear the name of the Russian general.
  32. Neighbor
    Neighbor 30 November 2013 16: 38
    +8
    That's just with the Bolsheviks about it, maybe a little, but there have been publications. Now it’s somehow more about the streets of broken lanterns and noble oligarchs.
  33. Kite
    Kite 30 November 2013 18: 10
    +3
    ".....Especially since nearby Skobelevskaya Street is Admiral Ushakov Boulevard, Admiral Lazarev Street, Admiral Rudnev Street. Why Skobelev was treated so scornfully - is completely incomprehensible. Moreover, how is his name (as, probably, the names of other outstanding personalities listed by me) connected with South Butovo? Especially if you know that there was a shooting range of the NKVD and tens of thousands of innocent people the Yezhov-Beria department killed in these places. Creepy disrespect!" (yet ! or ?)
    According to the rules of the Russian language, Skobelevskaya Street (as before, Tverskaya Square was called Skobelevskaya). But, "metro station "boulevard Admiral Ushakov"" is a twist in the Russian language.
    "... there was an NKVD shooting range here" - no closer from Skobelevskaya than from Tverskaya to Lubyanka! And I live in Yu. Butovo, so what, according to the author, our streets are worthy only of execution and camp names? (type: "Slaughter", "Tribunal", "Vertuhaiskaya", ...)
  34. barbiturate
    barbiturate 30 November 2013 19: 58
    -2
    I am covered up, of course, but this is a very ambiguous figure, his art brought enormous harm to Russia and he allowed himself a lot, the collision of Russia with Germany was his idea of ​​fixation, he did everything for this, and this brought a lot of troubles and misfortunes, in terms of pouring water on Anglo-French mill he had no equal among the Russian military leaders, why did he do it, money?
    1. George
      George 30 November 2013 20: 39
      +4
      Quote: barbiturate
      the clash between Russia and Germany was his fix idea, he did everything for this, and this brought a lot of troubles and misfortunes,

      belay
      Perhaps that is why the German General Staff openly rejoiced upon learning of the death of Mikhail Dmitrievich, and Moltke openly shared his joy on this subject with our diplomats?
      Perhaps that is why Germany was able to arrange two world massacres?
      What are you talking about, dear!?
      Skobelev warned of possible aggression on the part of Germany, especially after visiting German maneuvers. He then saw how the German military was developing.
      Are you from ignorance or malice?
    2. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 30 November 2013 21: 14
      0
      Facts to the studio!
  35. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 30 November 2013 20: 11
    +1
    The revival of the memory of the great commander lies entirely with the Russian officers. If there are Russian officers and generals in the international Skobelev Committee, then what is their role? It is very interesting to know if there is a cadet corps named after Seobeleva? here it is necessary to begin.
  36. Kulneff2009
    Kulneff2009 30 November 2013 20: 22
    +3
    The monument is definitely needed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are nothing without our story!
  37. gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 30 November 2013 20: 37
    +1
    If the committee in memory of General Skobelev could also organize a memorialization fund, then an organized fundraising and public outreach would help not only to erect a single monument. More ambitious actions are needed!
  38. VenDora
    VenDora 30 November 2013 20: 40
    +4
    In 1918, by decree of the Bolsheviks who came to power, Skobelev’s name was forgotten for decades. Today, the memory of him, although returning, is very slow, clearly disproportionate to the merits of this remarkable commander and patriot of the Russian state.
    And who then made films about the white general .... Moreover, beautiful actors of that time played
  39. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 30 November 2013 21: 13
    +6
    And here is a monument in Ryazan:
    the park of the same name ... in the daytime "mothers" with children walk, at night the boys from the district gather at this place ... he himself once met "near Skobelev" with a girl or with friends ... Oh, something nostalgia ... winked
    There is a monument, in all our schools they talked a lot about the general, I think the whole district knows for sure who this outstanding person was!
  40. lobik
    lobik 30 November 2013 21: 40
    +1
    I read komenty, interestingly, but then suddenly the poets were off topic.
  41. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 30 November 2013 21: 42
    +2
    Do not expect anything good from the current "racial" government, it acts so crookedly and stupidly, let it be better silent, because "when he speaks, the feeling that he is delusional" and absolutely everything from Putler and the dimka-iPhone operator to the very last official in the district, even how- you are ashamed of them. Yes, and judge for yourself, how can they erect a monument to a military general, an active participant in the "Great Game" who kicked British "advisers" across Central Asia? When was their own rotten power built by such "advisers"? No, here until the people themselves are honored nothing will happen.
  42. moskal68
    moskal68 30 November 2013 23: 04
    +3
    It is surprising that a monument was made to Gaidar (not a writer). Vshivenky, miserable, but there is. But real people do not. True, there is Skobelevskaya street in Moscow, but it is located in Butovo. They decided to perpetuate. However, there is also a street named after dad Kadyrov.
    1. alone
      alone 30 November 2013 23: 12
      +2
      Quote: 68
      It is surprising that a monument was made to Gaidar (not a writer). Vshivenky, miserable, but there is. But real people do not


      Many became oligarchs during the "reforms" of Gaidar. That's why they decided to erect a monument to him as a tribute. How can these worthless people now go "kings" because of Gaidar?
      and General Skobelev is nobody for them. Is there anything he did in the 19th century? "the official thought, having considered the estimate for installing the monument. 52 million on the monument?" thought the second official, it’s easier to assign them than to give them to the monument
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  44. Severok
    Severok 30 November 2013 23: 26
    +1
    Everything that Kuropatkin did - all humbled the glory of Russian weapons. Degraded the honor of Russian soldiers. Kuropatkin is not even suitable for the role of a napkin at the Skobelev table.
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 1 December 2013 10: 35
      +1
      Quote: Severok
      Kuropatkin is not even suitable for the role of a napkin at the Skobelev table.

      After 1904 in Russia, only the lazy did not spit in Kuropatkin. Here you would be in the commanders, but put on the supply needle - 2 trains per day! The de facto authority of the tsar’s governor is Alekseev. He was just a very cautious person, and the level of the final stage of the strategic nuclear forces has grown to the scale of front-line operations, and he has to manage the semi-trained warriors assigned from the plow. The chief of staff at M.D.Skobelev - yes, he showed talent, but as a commander he saved!
  45. Anton Nakhimov
    Anton Nakhimov 1 December 2013 00: 54
    +3
    Many became oligarchs during the "reforms" of Gaidar. That's why they decided to erect a monument to him as a tribute. How can these worthless people now go "kings" because of Gaidar?
    and General Skobelev is nobody for them. Is there anything he did in the 19th century? "the official thought, having considered the estimate for installing the monument. 52 million on the monument?" thought the second official, it’s easier to assign them than to give them to the monument


    Yes, you're right ... Unfortunately, now everything is happening .. It is difficult now to find a person who is so loving his homeland, Russia, a real officer, the best tactic of his time. It is difficult to find a man who would also be adored in the army and among the people. Here is how the poet Jacob Polonsky wrote to Skobelev’s death:
    Why is the crowd worth the people?
    What does he expect in silence?
    What is the grief, what is the perplexity?
    Not a fortress fell, not a battle
    Lost, - Skobelev fell! not gone
    That power that was worse
    Enemy of a dozen fortresses ...
    The strength that the warriors
    It reminded us of fabulous.


    Now it is not in the honor to be Russian, for some reason even the power of our nation is understated, sinking to the level of galley slaves, slaves who regularly feed Moscow and the Caucasus .. The true hero of Russia Mikhail Dmitrievich Skobelev and the current "hero" Mr. Kadyrov are incomparable personalities, But nevertheless, under the current administration, Kadyrov, who recently killed our guys and officers, is now in favor. Everything is decided by money, everything is decided by officials, many of whom, I assure you, do not know who Skobelev is, and do not even know that it means to truly love Russia, to be her worthy son and to love the people who gave power to these officials.
    At one time, Prime Minister Stolypin said a wonderful phrase: "A person without national identity is the manure on which other peoples grow." Friends, compatriots, I am for peaceful coexistence with other peoples of Russia, but in my opinion we, Russians, It's time to get up from your knees and participate in the life of Russia, to fight for it, for our Motherland, our native land, not to give it to be torn apart by those who do not need it mighty and strong!
    Skobelev, the general, patriot of Russia, three times hooray-hooray-URAAAA !! soldier Honor and glory "Like Suvorov" !!!!
  46. EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 1 December 2013 01: 53
    -7
    For example, I see the difference in the war against the Europeans and in the war against the Asians. How can you compare Suvorov with Skobelev. It’s even funny to think where these "comparators" came from, what
    the cesspools crawled out. laughing
    1. Tanysh
      Tanysh 1 December 2013 10: 56
      +3
      As soon as you take yourself to fight, you will immediately understand.
  47. voliador
    voliador 1 December 2013 02: 27
    +2
    The monument cannot be stolen and not sawn, so there is no money for it.
  48. voliador
    voliador 1 December 2013 02: 27
    0
    The monument cannot be stolen and not sawn, so there is no money for it.
  49. воронов
    воронов 1 December 2013 19: 30
    +2
    Great was a man !!!
  50. grafrozow
    grafrozow 1 December 2013 19: 31
    0
    I am writing a letter to the president - all the more so since he came up with an initiative about the need to restore the names of famous regiments in the Russian Armed Forces, such as Preobrazhensky and Semenovsky, and these names were immediately assigned to two parts. Sent a reply! There, it seems, my letter was not read at all: after all, we have already passed all the stages to the installation of the monument. Okay, I am writing to the Minister of Culture Vladimir Medinsky. The answer is similar. Already on emotion, I again appeal to the president and the minister: keep your conscience, even read what I wrote to you earlier! And send my previous letters and answers to them. Recently I had a chance to speak on the Kultura TV channel in a program devoted to the White General, - he has already addressed the powers that be from the TV screen.
    Our power, the words are one thing deeds, the authorities do not need real RUSSIAN HEROES.