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The roof of the field camps. The Ministry of Defense has twice summed up the orientation on the purchase of German equipment

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The roof of the field camps. The Ministry of Defense has twice summed up the orientation on the purchase of German equipmentA couple of weeks ago, there were reports of the cancellation of the tender for the purchase of autonomous field camps for the Russian army 16. He was scheduled just in November. But the Federal Agency for Defense Order (Rosoboronzakaz) made the decision after checking the conditions of the tender. True, detailed information on the results of the inspection has not yet appeared to this day, except for the only official confirmation that the competition was canceled with the wording “by decision of the supervisory authority”. And all our attempts to find out the details in Rosoboronzakaz itself were not crowned with success. According to several sources, who are to some extent involved in the organization or participation in this competition, one can draw quite definite conclusions.


The RF Ministry of Defense for the last time announced a tender for the supply of autonomous field camps (towns for the closed life-support cycle) of a nuclear submarine-500 worth 6,8 billion rubles. According to the application posted in October of this year on the state procurement website by the Federal Agency for the supply of weapons, military, special equipment and materiel (Rosoboronpostavka), for the military department it was necessary to purchase 16 camps: in the Mulino Military Training Center (Nizhny Novgorod Region) nine sets and in the 67 interspecific range Ashuluk (Astrakhan region) seven sets. And even after the cancellation of the tender, the field camps of the APL-500 still remain in the state defense order for the 2013 year and the planned period of 2014 – 2015.

But the main intrigue is that the cancellation of the tender happened for the second time this year. The first competition with virtually the same conditions and requirements was canceled in the summer. At the end of May Rosoboronpostavka, controlled by the Ministry of Defense, tried to organize the purchase of the same 16 field camps in the amount of ... 6,2 billion rubles. Yes, only a few participants of the competition filed complaints about the groundlessness of the pricing procedure and confusion with the terms of reference. Rosoboronzakaz conducted an audit, which resulted in the bidding declared invalid. What the director of the Federal Service for Defense Order, Alexander Potapov, officially announced on June 20 at a meeting at the Main Military Prosecutor's Office.

As the press service of the control body specified, in the tender documentation there was initially no information about what requirements the Russian Armed Forces set for such equipment. However, the tender participants noted that the bidding conditions were clearly “adjusted” for the technical characteristics of the field camps of the German company Karcher Futuretech GmbH. After all, one such camp in 2010 was purchased for the training center of the Ground Forces in Mulino, and the then Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov liked him very much. Then the camp was effectively demonstrated by the then Supreme Commander Dmitry Medvedev, who also approved what he had seen. After the change of senior commanders, Army General Dmitry Bulgakov, who retained the post of Deputy Minister of Defense, confidently stated that 2015 autonomous field camps worth 22 billion rubles would be procured until the 9,8 of the year. And it was necessary to happen to this - during 2013, two attempts to realize (at least partially) the ministry’s plan failed. It seems the second time for the same reason as the first. Although the organizers of the tender pretended to eliminate the shortcomings after the June cancellation of the competition, and even noticeably increased the prices of the purchased products.

WHAT MUST BE A CAMP

It is worth noting here that the summer cancellation prompted journalists to seek clarification from PIK MIG, the official dealer of Karcher Futuretech GmbH. But its representative Yevgeny Zenkov disowned: the company did not even plan to participate in the Ministry of Defense tender, therefore all suspicions and claims to its address are groundless. This seller distanced himself from the plans of the Ministry of Defense militia men not at all by accident. After all, the first camp from Karcher, purchased in 2010 year, was badly battered in the very first severe winter in the Nizhny Novgorod region. And the second camp, supplied by Karcher company mostly as an equipment picker, became, by definition, a number of specialists, “a hodgepodge of products from Norway, Turkey, China and some other very exotic countries”. But it was launched at the Chebarkul training ground in the Chelyabinsk region. There, the frost is even stronger ... In general, he suffered much more than the Mulin APL-500.

From here a number of questions naturally arise. First of all, why did the German company Karcher appear in the partners at the Russian Defense Ministry? Surely in our country, no one produces such autonomous field camps? And if it does, is it really that Russian products are so much worse in quality that it was imperative to buy foreign products? And for sure there were experts who soberly assessed the capabilities of the German camp and warned about the sad consequences of its use in our difficult climate? To answer all these questions, you only need to look back - in the 2010 year, when the Defense Ministry began to actively promote the idea of ​​procurement for the army of autonomous field camps. And, I stress, it is domestic production.

The operational-strategic exercise "Vostok-2010", held in late June - early July in Transbaikalia and the Far East, was invited to two dozen journalists from Moscow, among whom was an observer of the NVO. First of all, the writing fraternity was taken to the Tsugol proving ground in areas where various rear units, formations and services are located. The organization of life in the field camp of a combined-arms brigade and its equipment was demonstrated by the head of logistics of the Russian Armed Forces - Deputy Defense Minister, then Colonel-General Dmitry Bulgakov. He gave the highest marks to the performance of the presented equipment, which, he said, had already equipped several connections.

“For the extremely diverse climatic conditions of Russia, this equipment is best suited, surpassing many foreign analogues,” General Bulgakov told with a sense of conviction (see “Field Camp May Be Convenient” in the NVO from 30.07.10). “Now we have everything we need to organize the normal life of the personnel of the brigades in the field, so that the servicemen can concentrate entirely on combat training and perform any combat task.”

Several modern mobile sets for providing troops for various purposes were shown to reporters. With undisguised pleasure they showed a mobile battalion of food stuffs and bath and laundry services, since at that time it was released in the singular and entered to provide only the 5th separate tank brigades. And its convenience literally appreciated by everyone. Behind one of the battalions on KamAZ trucks was transported about a dozen 20-ton containers of variable volume. The unit arrived in a certain area, stopped for about half a day, and in just 2,5 hours the military deployed a compact but multi-functional utility unit: a kitchen, refrigerated food storage units, an air-conditioned lounge, a spacious dining room, a bakery, showers, and washrooms rooms (all in chrome and nickel), equally civil toilets, laundry room with powerful and high-performance washing machines. Journalists were then given the opportunity to personally test these charms in the 40-degree Transbaikal heat. Your correspondent then wrote in an article with enthusiasm: “The centuries-old dream of the Russian military about a worthy field life was realized !!!” (see “And in the field I want comfort” in “NVO” from 02.07.10).

The ideology of complete supplies, according to the statement of Colonel Alexander Turkov, the assistant chief of logistics of the RF Armed Forces, was embodied in the development of several more mobile sets of troops. Mobile complex medical care (PKVP) and the set of "Medical Company" used in the brigades. Movable set of equipment maintenance and repair. A mobile team brigade headquarters, housed in unified container modules and capable of increasing the working space to accommodate the necessary equipment of a modern command and control system.

All moving assets were created on the basis of the body-vans and container-bodies of constant and variable volume, manufactured using modern casting technologies. They are adapted to be transported on army vehicles of all-terrain KamAZ of the Mustang and Ural families of the Motokhovoz family. To quickly move the bodies from the chassis and back, they have hydraulic lifts at the corners, each of which is capable of lifting 7 tons. Four legs moved out of the container, lifted it a few centimeters above the cargo platform - the car drove out. We lower the container to the ground, level with the help of all the same lifting devices. The operation takes no more than 3 – 5 minutes.

And modern life support systems, including a ventilation and air conditioning system, a heating system, a pressurization and air filtration system, a water extraction and purification system, a lighting and blackout system, an energy system, guarantee comfortable working conditions for personnel in various climatic zones in the ambient air temperature range from minus 50 to plus 50 degrees Celsius. The same systems also ensure the normal accommodation of the personnel in the frame tents of the new type, produced in Russia. Well, all together, these mobile means of support, developed, by the way, according to the requirements of the Ministry of Defense and declared accepted for supply in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, made it possible to create combined sets of an autonomous field camp for a battalion of 400 – 600 people and for a combined brigade of 3 – 5 thousand military personnel.

FOCUS FAILED

Praising the merits of the latest 2010 field equipment in the summer, General Dmitry Bulgakov was, well, very convincing and seemed absolutely sincere. And who would have thought then that in just six months he would begin to explain to journalists that the autonomous field camps, it turns out, are not produced in our country and even OKRy were not performed for them. Therefore, the need for them in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation can be satisfied exclusively by supplies from abroad. In short, the display of field equipment for the rear support of troops during the exercise "Vostok-2010" was used only as a pusher to drag in the idea of ​​purchasing foreign products. So there was an unwitting guess: some official in the Ministry of Defense clearly has a personal interest in lobbying the interests of a clearly defined supplier then - Karcher Futuretech GmbH.

But at that time, representatives of Russian manufacturers of high-quality rear equipment, which was shown to journalists at the exercise, rang out to the editorial office of NVO. As it turned out, for many years more than a dozen domestic enterprises working in close cooperation created it. According to the specifications of the Ministry of Defense, they carried out more than 40 research and development work on this subject. Were developed, tested and put into production 56 samples of new technology that meets the needs of the military department in mobile field complexes.

The head of the leading enterprise in cooperation, Victor Ukhov, said on this occasion: “The field camp has been sufficiently developed today. We are ready to mass-produce the entire set of equipment and supply it in any quantity that the troops only need ”(see“ Turn-key field camps in the NVO from 26.11.10).

Ukhov also drew attention to the fact that Karcher’s aggressively pushing products are clearly not suitable for use in our conditions. Well, for example, a refrigerator for storing and transporting products is intended to be used only on highways. But if he moves to the ground, it turns out that he cannot be towed behind our KamAZ or Ural army vehicles, whose track is much wider than this trailer. So the contents of the Kercher refrigerator will quickly turn into a solid beef or vinaigrette. And there are many such unpleasant features of foreign equipment.

Meanwhile, just before August 2013, Army General Dmitry Bulgakov again publicly stated that the rear structures of the Russian army acquire the best products for their needs, regardless of the country of origin. In parallel, a number of information channels went for a walk about the advantages of the German camps, which are expressed in the presence of their life support systems, including ventilation equipment, air conditioning, pressurization, air filtration and heating, automated heating system, water production and purification system, adjustable lighting, autonomous energy the system. And as an opposition, an example is given of our field camps, where, say, a soldier has to throw logs into the stoves in the oven every half hour in the winter. To make sure that there is a hoax here, take a look at seven paragraphs at least in the same article and read.

We will not be cunning, purely outwardly German equipment looks a little more attractive than ours, domestic. When it is new. And yet the statements about its operational superiority are completely untrue. One of the Russian specialists, who was preparing to take part in the last (canceled) tender for the procurement of field camps, explained to us: “In our understanding and understanding of the inspectors of the Rosoboronzakaz, the logistics of the rear of the Armed Forces is still a specialized military equipment. But for some reason the requirements for the purchased camps as military equipment and military equipment were not set by the organizers of the competition. And therefore, actually civilian products were purchased. As soon as this procedure is changed, immediately the advantages in a number of parameters will be gained at the auction by Russian products, which were developed in strict accordance with the technical tasks of our military. ”

It remains to wait for the Ministry of Defense to finally come to an understanding of the futility of lobbying the interests of foreign manufacturers.
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  1. My address
    My address 30 November 2013 09: 39 New
    40
    That is, according to this article, the General-ladle Bulgakov or the big bastard, or the full gentleman of the Order de Bilov?
    What a pity that this is not the 37 year!
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 30 November 2013 10: 01 New
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      It is interesting, is it possible to develop (taking into account foreign experience) in the amount of 9.8 billion rubles and organize the release of their camps?
      1. Andrey57
        Andrey57 30 November 2013 10: 34 New
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        So there is no need to develop anything - everything has already been developed, tested and ready for mass production, but there a thief in the rank of colonel-general does not shine on his pocket, so there is a mouse fuss about pushing German shit for the park area and asphalt roads. All the same eternal misfortune - we stealam
        1. almost demobil
          almost demobil 30 November 2013 12: 09 New
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          Quote: Andrey57
          So there’s no need to develop anything - everything has already been developed, tested and ready for serial production

          My last training ground was on Telembo in March. and so there we were located in the kungas for 6 people, with our own washbasin, with sleeping places in 2 tiers on the sides, the finish was like in a Soviet-era railway compartment. There was only heating, this is a minus, I had to use electric heaters. But this can be easily modified. Someone who designed these modules and made them! Nah us some sort of non-development? Greetings to Bulgakov and a wish to get sick with some terrible disease, in other matters as well as to all embezzlers.
        2. Artyom
          Artyom 1 December 2013 14: 51 New
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          "ROLLBACK" is to blame for everything
          who gave the one and the girl is dancing, which is not clear?
      2. Rustam
        Rustam 30 November 2013 12: 06 New
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        Beauties - the bravery of ordering is still the one in the best traditions - it reminds you of what happened to our UDC (grease is not that, etc.) That is, they don’t crumble all over the world, but we have showered

        At Interpolitech 2013, I made sure that the Karcher Group products
        It is a masterpiece

        They are not very worried that they won’t win the tender, I repeat the phrase. We don’t work for kickbacks, but focused on non-military structures in our country and they are dismantled by the oil industry workers, and so on, and then there’s nothing to get in the way and not to crumble and frosts harder?


        I’m watching when VV yesterday announced that this year 2,3 trillion rubles will be allocated — those who have not yet activated at the trough — through a journal (a proven method, Toko is not always effective) is good for those who are not in the subject

        photo (clickable Interpolitech-2013)
        Tactical Field Kitchen (TFK) Field Camp-Karcher Group

        PS- for those who are not comfortable. The interest in Karcher Group products arose with us not by chance, in 2008 our paratroopers captured elements of the Karcher Group field camp in Georgia and tested them with us, after which in 2010 they ordered the first in Mulino

        But Bulgakov doesn’t have to drive a competent man
        1. Rustam
          Rustam 30 November 2013 12: 24 New
          +8
          here is the video 1m-48 sec

          Featured Captured Tactical Field Kitchen (TFK) Field Camp-Karcher Group

          1. Migari
            Migari 30 November 2013 13: 13 New
            +3
            Thanks for the video, interesting information.
          2. bask
            bask 30 November 2013 16: 59 New
            +6
            Quote: Rustam
            At Interpolitech 2013, I made sure that the Karcher Group products
            It is a masterpiece

            Hi Rustam.
            I do not agree with yours regarding these Karcher field camps.
            It is much more profitable to use shifts rather than tents. For gas workers and oil workers they have been stamped so much.
            A shift trailer made of a 40-foot container can last 5-10 years.
            In a combat situation, it can be strengthened with soil, sandbags.
            In mobility, he is comparable to all tents, but you can live in a well-made shift both at -50 and + 50, if there were a conder and a stove.
            BLOCK CONTAINER, worth 49 thousand rubles. Http: //pbk-service.ru/blok-kontejjnery-spec.html
            Tent, will serve at best, 3-4 years. At a comparable cost.
            1. Rustam
              Rustam 30 November 2013 17: 19 New
              +3
              Hi
              Well, the Germans Gazoviki and Neftyanniki are the main customers -main customers and they don’t worry about the Russian Defense Ministry

              I want to hear your position on the purchase of al non-purchase of German camps in our army?

              that's what their people mean in the press, there are many examples of such an order

              our udk
              igor belousov

              etc.
              ps- but to offer something like ours is not in a state, sadness (we use heavy artillery magazine) to use it when you start to talk and poke your finger and point to competitorsone moo
              1. bask
                bask 30 November 2013 17: 40 New
                +3
                Quote: Rustam
                I want to hear your position on the purchase of al non-purchase of German camps in our army?

                If, our industry, can not produce such camps. Of course, to purchase and most importantly to establish joint production, namely in Russia. It is desirable from our materials.

                But such camps can only be used as summer camps.
                The Germans are interested in the closed cycle itself, the camps.

                The rest of the year, only block containers.

                But for this it is necessary, at least to curb corruption (not even triumph).
                1. Rustam
                  Rustam 30 November 2013 18: 37 New
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                  b
                  ask But such camps can only be used as summer camps.


                  You're wrong at the root. For the first time this order came out in 2010 and it is known where the legs grow from

                  Production standards in Germany are ten times higher than in Russia
                  These tents can withstand temperatures of less than -27 degrees. And this is only for technical documentation! There are still containers there, those in general can work in polar conditions, up to - 40.

                  And these articles are armless domestic producers who offer to further poison our soldiers with potbelly stoves in tents (as in the photo) of the sixties samples !!!

                  The main thing is to write beautifully and enlist the support of certain bureaucrats for% of the order and contract in favor of a certain party.

                  More photos of the camp at this link http://twower.livejournal.com/843717.html?thread=57484229
                  1. bask
                    bask 30 November 2013 19: 22 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Rustam
                    These tents can withstand temperatures of less than -27 degrees. And this is only for technical documentation!

                    I do not argue can withstand temperatures below -30 gr. Technology and materials allow.

                    I am talking about the comfort and cost of production, terms of operation.
                    At a price similar to that of a container block, even a technology tent like Karcher loses in all other respects.
                    Where it is impossible to do without tents, it is certainly better to have, Karcher, than from tarpaulin.
                    1. Rustam
                      Rustam 30 November 2013 20: 09 New
                      +4
                      Where it is impossible to do without tents, it is certainly better to have, Karcher, than from tarpaulin.


                      Thank god you're with me and the other few winked

                      You know what kills. That is, nothing like Karcher’s ours can offer, but the people don’t need to know, this is a foreign enemy, it means unnecessary and those who do not enter into a discussion

                      And that it is first-class and tested, nobody cares-sadness
                      1. Aleks tv
                        Aleks tv 30 November 2013 23: 10 New
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                        Quote: Rustam
                        And that it is first-class and tested is of no interest to anyone, sadness

                        Yes, everyone is interested in it, Rustam ...
                        But “Sadness” is different:
                        All this Crap does not correspond to what you need with ... "Work" (!!!), ... and not at the landfills.
                        At the Polygon - “shay” anything is possible. And THIS German ... "camp" - the best indicator ... TRAINING-Fighting life, and no more.
                        I will say it again - EDUCATIONAL life.

                        And when ... "Work" ???
                        Example 1.
                        ... They went down, reached the level of melting snow and the appearance of trees.
                        They collected stones in a pyramid, leaving a place in the middle - threw broken branches of trees there (they nevertheless came down from the snow, firewood was exotic).
                        Stoned the stones to ... a fuy cloud of red stones.
                        They built a canopy from the duralumin of the tent racks, threw one scorched Pamirka from above, threw tarp buckets with snow (stuffing them inside the “bath” onto an ice ax strut ... otherwise the snow will melt and the water will pour out).
                        Put up Security.
                        Threw two sleeping bags inside the “bathhouse”.
                        And ... let's steam !!! (The combat mission and the Order are completed)
                        Two sleeping bags are not just thrown into the snow under their feet:
                        - We got up on one sleeping bag - they used water from the pot on the opposite stones (otherwise they would scald the steam into a mug),
                        - We got up on another sleeping bag - we ran a little water on the opposite stones ...
                        - We stood and steamed ....
                        - They rinsed out of the tarpaulin buckets.
                        That's it, it's time to go out and ... change with the SECURITY and the group of "delivering snow to tarpaulin buckets".
                        The main thing is that they executed the Order and Survived.
                        …………………………………………………….
                        This is me, just for a practical example.
                        There are practically no such "systems". Maybe specials only, I don’t know.
                        And this is only a scanty version of the experience of "chanting" in the mountains.

                        Example 2:
                        - On my tank (KR), there was always a “mantle” for a company, scattered and fortified in ZIP boxes and torn “from above”.
                        - On the tanks of the platoon commanders there was the same “mantle” for the platoon.
                        “The line tanks had their own“ chlamydas. ”
                        Although we knew that “those” and “households”, the battalion’s support was “teleporting” somewhere behind, like the “chmshniki” regiment.
                        And HOW, to curl, to trim all this “German footwear"?
                        There is no place.
                        ..........................................................
                        This German kit is good specifically for the training and combat life, and not for ...
                        WORKS.

                        ps And about the "Work" - you can not forget.

                        Rustam, I just spoke out. And no more.
                        Sincerely,
                        Alex.
                        hi
                        drinks
                      2. Rustam
                        Rustam 1 December 2013 00: 02 New
                        +2
                        At the Polygon - “shay” anything is possible. And THIS German ... "camp" - the best indicator ... TRAINING-Fighting life, and no more.


                        Hello Alex
                        These camps are primarily for placement of personnel in training centers (Mulino-Chebarkul, etc.), but not only in the same camp from 1000 people ending up to 50
                        and in the Caucasus, the temporary groupings of the VV and the Ministry of Internal Affairs are housed in old Soviet camps (tents) they probably also need, right?

                        You see, there are many companies that we offer, but when they receive an order and money begins, the problem is that the trouble is (you can show and draw anything, do it on time and on time, not everyone is capable)

                        won bought clothes in Belarus decided to save, so a week later they started to fly because of poor quality, there was a scandal


                        my opinion is the purchase of 2 camps (which have already purchased the case and end)
                        although the same Bulgakov showed this camp and Shoigu, there were other Shamans there and they liked it.

                        ps-It’s just a shame (a little) that many people think that I don’t like everything domestic and idolize the West — that’s not true — I just want our army to receive all the most modern, even if there is no label made in Russia.
                      3. My address
                        My address 1 December 2013 00: 46 New
                        +2
                        Dear Rustam!
                        I am against placing military orders over the "hill". And any, except for the purpose of acquaintance, or if not themselves.
                        I thought it was young and stupid that the main thing is tanks and tankers in the army and the main units with technologists in civilian life. With age and experience, I realized that support services are primary, without which there will be no victories in battles or shipment of products to the consumer at the production site. Including providing rest, food, sleep, etc. I believe that for the army, through sweat, tears, and blood from the nose, in half with snot (sorry for vulgarism), we must do the maximum ourselves, we can not hope for anything else.
                        And your position is understandable and deserves respect, for which there are pluses.
                        All the best. hi
                      4. Aleks tv
                        Aleks tv 1 December 2013 03: 00 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Rustam
                        I just want our army to receive everything interpreted as the most modern, even if there is no label made in Russia.

                        And this is Toast.
                        drinks
                    2. bask
                      bask 1 December 2013 12: 23 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Aleks tv
                      This German kit is good specifically for the training and combat life, and not for ...
                      WORKS.

                      Naturally, where Russian is good to the German (amer) death.
                      Lesch, in the war in the theater of war, should be introduced the concept of BASE

                      All equipment, block containers, headquarters, communications should be in this protected area.
                      Departure from bases to combat, no more than 4-5 days.
                      In Afghanistan, upon entering combat, all infantry fighting vehicles were cluttered with junk.
                      But it was in the 80s and 90s, now the 2000s, I am sure there are plenty of both domestic and foreign developments.
                      But their implementation in the troops should be carried out by the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

                      And the full use of containers, for transportation of everything (including fuel and lubricants, including). In one 4-foot container, you can place a bath-wash-laundry for the whole battalion.

                      Sanitary unit based on a block container showers hot cold water, boiler, water system, wash basins, showers, sinks.
                    3. Alekseev
                      Alekseev 1 December 2013 17: 13 New
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                      Quote: Aleks tv
                      All this Crap does not correspond to what you need with ... "Work" (!!!), ... and not at the landfills.

                      The opinion of a competent person is clear! hi
                      A / c should be taught to be able to live in a field in peacetime, since he will live in this field in a war. For this, the outputs in the field are intended. And tents, kitchens, etc. should not be German, not Russian, but as they would be in combat conditions.
                      Hard in learning, easy in battle!
                      Increased comfort is after field exercises classes.
                      Of course it’s convenient, on Neoplan, to drive to the tankodrome, neatly sideways into the tank, and to the beer bath. The military is not a sport, but hard and dirty work.
            2. sso-xnumx
              sso-xnumx 30 November 2013 20: 29 New
              +8
              our industry can produce !!! our state cannot buy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
              NPO "Proekttekhnika" since 1995 led the topic on container bodies of constant and variable volumes.
              Everything is in accordance with the requirements of the GABTU and UNTVS of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, both heaters and air conditioners, and the operating mode from -50 to +50. The company is ready to fulfill any whim - just order!
              I myself have been working with her for 10 years on the topics of the State Military Museum and Victor Ukhov, I know very well not only him, but also other employees of the enterprise.
              Over 10 years (from 1999 to 2009) 16 medical devices were tested and equipped with 3 MOSN.
              He personally experienced all 16, from a member of the working group to a member of the state commission, he has grown. All protocols were signed and the products were recommended for adoption to equip the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. And in 2009 the field assistant declared that we would buy all this from the Germans.
              and Bulgakov is starring like a Trotsky, he knows everything perfectly well, for the rear "Proekttekhnika" made a dining room, recreation modules for l / s, showers, laundries, etc. and a field camp as well.
              PS who is interested, visit the site "Proekttekhniki"
              1. bask
                bask 30 November 2013 21: 21 New
                +4
                Quote: sso-250659
                our industry can produce !!! our state cannot buy

                But this is true, albeit disgusting.
                Materials can be bought abroad. Our products will be ordered.
                ZAO Project-Technique, founded in 1990 on the basis of the NGO Lightning.
                "" "" "NPP" Project-Technics "to create on the basis of habitable container bodies of constant and variable volume of various functional modules (mobile medical centers, control points, residential and household modules, publishing and printing complexes and even mobile bakeries). life support systems "" "" http://gas67.narod.ru/pr


                oect_tech.htm
                Much better. Put everything in a single system.
                1. Rustam
                  Rustam 30 November 2013 22: 41 New
                  +3
                  Н
                  our industry can produce !!! our state cannot buy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                  NPO "Proekttekhnika"


                  If so, then this is Boudrid. But until I see it myself, do not feel, do not communicate
                  talking about products is premature to me

                  Be sure to give some attention to the products of this company at some trail of the exhibition, my opinion may change
                  1. bask
                    bask 30 November 2013 22: 56 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Rustam
                    Be sure to give some attention to the products of this company at some trail of the exhibition, my opinion may change

                    It would be nice, info .. for more, about this company. Namely about the military component of its products.
                    And this company was formed from the NGO Lightning, Buran, built.
                    More Soviet technology should have been preserved. And most importantly footage.
        2. bask
          bask 30 November 2013 17: 27 New
          +3
          The optimal solution today is a block container. This design can be successfully implemented, for the role of a shower-laundry, warehouses for various materials, headquarters, etc.

          Block module designs are standardized. It becomes possible to compactly place them. In addition, it is possible to build temporary low-rise buildings. This achieves compactness and clear zoning of the construction camp.

          Modular building structures allow for ease of deployment and transportation to any location, thereby increasing mobility of teams. And they allow (I repeat) to provide the necessary level of comfort in almost any climate zone.
          In Russia, it is produced by many companies (Stroyservis LLC).
    2. Heinrich ruppert
      Heinrich ruppert 30 November 2013 12: 35 New
      +4
      Quote: Rustam
      I’m watching when VV yesterday announced that this year 2,3 trillion rubles will be allocated — those who have not yet activated at the trough — through a journal (a proven method, Toko is not always effective) is good for those who are not in the subject

      Absolutely true. He himself took part from 1998-2000 in testing some technique. And I do not believe that she "fell". The same systems are in service in Germany. And they were tested from the Sahara to Norway, and only then were they accepted. Or is the climate in Norway "hotter" than in Russia?
    3. almost demobil
      almost demobil 30 November 2013 16: 18 New
      -1
      Quote: Rustam
      It’s not by chance that we were interested in the Karcher Group products; in 2008, our paratroopers captured elements of the Karcher Group field camp in Georgia

      And what? Maybe it helped the rodents, but I don’t know?
      All this bourgeois crap is good in pictures, in real conditions there will simply not be time to deploy these palace complexes. Well, if this splendor is constantly standing at the training ground, where the military people arrive, in principle, to deploy their (and often not their own) BT and shoot, after this, go to stage 4 of the exercises (By the way, why then at all at the training ground are temporarily erected structures? Isn't it easier to build capital buildings.) And what about military operations? Zae ---- I collect and disassemble!
      1. Rustam
        Rustam 30 November 2013 16: 55 New
        +2
        almost demobil

        And what? Maybe it helped the rodents


        People will probably be interested to know where the interest of the Russian Defense Ministry for the Karcher Group camps came from.

        Well, if this magnificence will constantly stand at the training ground


        I did not understand your statement, do you acknowledge that German field camps are better than ours? But in turn, say that they are not needed - an interesting position
        Ie it is necessary to take our squalor at an unrealistic price? Or camps are not needed at all?

        You already decide

        All this bourgeois crap


        Yes, this crap if you are not vkurse used in NATO armies, as well as the US Army, including in Iraq and Afghanistan

        Ours are not yet able to do something like that

        pictured by the Russian Ministry of Defense field camp at the company Karcher Futuretech GmbH. 9th motorized rifle brigade (Nizhny Novgorod)
        1. bask
          bask 30 November 2013 18: 02 New
          +4
          Rustam.
          And if you make the barracks and dining rooms from mobile, block transformers?

          Only place orders on a competitive basis at independent firms (as an example of TONAR LLC).
          1. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 30 November 2013 18: 27 New
            +4
            Quote: bask
            barracks and dining rooms from mobile, block transformers?

            Good evening, Andrey.
            hi
            A very interesting transformer ...
            As an option, the LDPE equipment is very good.

            And the tent still remains.
            The tent has a completely different application niche.. She will be in the troops for a long time, and quite deservedly.
            For example, private winter 2 puffs are not bad: MB-332, MB-442, MB-552. Modify them under the TTZ MO and forward.
            And there are plenty of such options, and no worse than the German ones.

            And important is the INTERNAL "FARSH" in both cases (devices and equipment).

            I will repeat again: we bought a good German "probe", looked at it and ... made it by ourselves.
            We will have more experience of "field" life.
            The purchase of foreign equipment throughout the Army - FRAUD.

            Photo: dual MB-552.
            1. bask
              bask 30 November 2013 19: 34 New
              +3
              Quote: Aleks tv
              The tent niche application is completely different. She will be in the troops for a long time, and quite deservedly.

              Naturally needed.
              But the article talks about the field camp as a closed-loop system.

              If the tent for the price, the shift, is used throughout the summer or winter season, then it will require repair, in some cases, cancellation.

              The only thing they lose is the block containers (tent) when deploying a field camp. Only in transportation costs.
              But if you add up the operating costs, transport, block containers for the deployment of the field camp, a big economic gain.
          2. Rustam
            Rustam 30 November 2013 18: 38 New
            +1
            interesting concept, I would like to see live recourse
            1. bask
              bask 30 November 2013 21: 44 New
              +1
              Quote: Rustam
              interesting concept, I would like to see live

              ZAO NPP ,, Project-Technics ,,.
              Container tent KKLO. 1.20.01. Rustam, this product is already, at least not worse, than the German Kercher, and in terms of technology, it’s BETTER. It’s about quality.

        2. almost demobil
          almost demobil 1 December 2013 05: 50 New
          +3
          Quote: Rustam
          I did not understand your statement, do you acknowledge that German field camps are better than ours? But in turn, say that they are not needed - an interesting position
          Ie it is necessary to take our squalor at an unrealistic price? Or camps are not needed at all?

          You already decide

          Yes, I have already decided on it for a long time, and I know for sure that it cannot be better than what was produced for our army. The technique breaks down, who will repair it? Even to make it easy to maintain and use as intended, specialists are needed. Where to get? Or maybe send to study in Germany? And I will tell you with 100% guarantee that most of the equipment will not be used at all, firstly so that it does not break, and secondly that it is simply an excess. Military life is unpretentious and modest; all these greenhouse conditions are not for the harsh Russian army. We need a dining room, a kitchen, by the way, our field kitchen is the best in the world, it is recognized by the bourgeois military, a bathhouse or a shower, a toilet and a warm sleeping room. I know what I say, because not one training ground passed. And on this German miracle, bags for water (here rzhaka) and kirdyk will end, drank some water.
          We must force our own to do what is really needed for the army, and not to sniff what they want to involve us. The developments are not bad, especially since something of course can be borrowed from the same Germans.
  2. S_mirnov
    S_mirnov 30 November 2013 12: 18 New
    +9
    Quote: mirag2
    It is interesting, is it possible to develop (taking into account foreign experience) in the amount of 9.8 billion rubles and organize the release of their camps?

    No, not under our authority! Can you imagine how much it will go to kickbacks and how much it will reach the direct performers. Yes, and now executives are executing commerce, and commerce is well able to sell, but to produce and establish - no.
  3. AVV
    AVV 30 November 2013 13: 29 New
    +3
    The sawmills of the military budget have not yet been transferred, so for this amount you can quickly install collapsible houses according to Finnish technology and when you need to disassemble, but here again, personal interest is laid down in the form of kickbacks !!! They want to catch another fish in a muddy water !!! Tighten control over buyers and establish personal responsibility for all purchases for the MO !!!
  4. alone
    alone 30 November 2013 22: 32 New
    +2
    Quote: mirag2
    It is interesting, is it possible to develop (taking into account foreign experience) in the amount of 9.8 billion rubles and organize the release of their camps?


    There were 5 million soldiers in the USSR. And in all parts there were complexes of field camps.
    and for 9,8 billion rubles you can set up not only the release of your camps, but much more can be done.

    the organizers of the tender needed a cut, that’s the main reason
  5. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 1 December 2013 05: 26 New
    +3
    so-called "tenders" - that's our trouble! here is the source of corruption and poor quality! after all, this is roughly speaking, whoever offers cheaper will win, hence the "kickbacks" and the theft of our money ... am
  6. Combitor
    Combitor 1 December 2013 09: 35 New
    0
    mirag2 (2) RU Yesterday, 10:01 ↑, 16 German nuclear submarines will cost 387,5 million rubles per one. It would be interesting to know the cost of one Russian nuclear submarine. And there everything will fall into place and we will understand where such interest in German complexes comes from.
  7. Felix200970
    Felix200970 1 December 2013 12: 21 New
    0
    Quote: mirag2
    It is interesting, is it possible to develop (taking into account foreign experience) in the amount of 9.8 billion rubles and organize the release of their camps?

    What for? It can only be improved, but it has been developed and is in production for a long time.
  8. Evgenij.
    Evgenij. 1 December 2013 19: 51 New
    0
    I think 6.8, you forgot about the interests
  • Fin
    Fin 30 November 2013 10: 10 New
    +9
    Quote: My address
    The general-ladle Bulgakov or the big bastard

    It’s high time to dismiss Bulgakov along with Pankov. Chameleons and opportunists should not first destroy the Sun under the guise of increasing BG (and diligently licking), and then restore the destruction themselves.
  • Apollo
    Apollo 30 November 2013 10: 13 New
    +8
    Quote: My address
    That is, according to this article, the General-ladle Bulgakov or the big bastard, or the full gentleman of the Order de Bilov?


    Serdyukov’s case is alive and well. Apparently S. Shoigu will uproot Serdyukovshina from the RF Ministry of Defense for a long time to come.
    1. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 30 November 2013 13: 03 New
      +8
      Quote: Apollon
      Serdyukov’s case is alive and well. Apparently S. Shoigu will uproot Serdyukovshina from the RF Ministry of Defense for a long time to come.

      To "uproot" b - you need to stand up against Serdyukov, and Shoigu plays in the same team (VVP). So there is no talk about "rooting out", but rather a decrease in the level of theft to an acceptable level.
    2. Garrin
      Garrin 30 November 2013 16: 49 New
      +5
      Quote: Apollon
      . Apparently S. Shoigu will uproot Serdyukovshina from the RF Ministry of Defense for a long time.

      God grant that he would uproot Serdyukovshchina, and that Shoygovshins not be planted. The Ministry of Emergency Situations raised by him, oh, how he likes to rub budget money too.
      1. servant
        servant 30 November 2013 17: 15 New
        +2
        Not only tyrit but on moonlighting on corruption ....
  • the polar
    the polar 30 November 2013 10: 19 New
    +9
    Quote: My address
    That is, according to this article, the General-ladle Bulgakov or the big bastard, or the full gentleman of the Order de Bilov?
    What a pity that this is not the 37 year!

    Moreover, this big bastard, a representative of the highest command staff who has access to state secrets, is kept by a foreign company of a potential adversary. this general should have been lying around in the dungeons of counterintelligence for a long time, in his own hearth and bloody snot
  • Stinger
    Stinger 30 November 2013 10: 22 New
    +3
    No. Common lackey.
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  • sub307
    sub307 30 November 2013 13: 53 New
    +2
    There remains a variant of a "successful" coincidence of both of the "advantages".
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  • zub46
    zub46 30 November 2013 14: 45 New
    +4
    Well, he’s not to blame - his subordinates laid out on the table a laudatory certificate about these modular towns, etc. What, he himself, or something, should delve into their correspondence to our field conditions and our technology? It’s not a royal thing to delve into such nonsense. There is a lot of money in the treasury. I wonder how the kickbacks were shared for the conclusion of supply contracts, and with whom? The big question is covered in darkness.
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 30 November 2013 22: 36 New
    0
    Is that what you offer to decapitate the army by repressing the best minds, the most experienced officers?
  • ochakow703
    ochakow703 30 November 2013 10: 01 New
    16
    And here it is. We can’t build ships, the issue is also brewing with tanks, it’s better to buy all-terrain vehicles for special forces in Italy, and we can’t even sew tents for troops at the level of the 21st century. I now see something else, it’s easier to steal when an order is over a hill, and they use it. All this is done with one goal - to destroy domestic industry. The conditions of the 37th year and the article for wrecking are extremely necessary!
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 30 November 2013 10: 08 New
    +7
    How deeply pierced the structure of the Russian army Serdyukov corruption roots! The activities of Colonel-General Bulgakov are regrettable. Insolent dealers of foreign companies looking for corruption loopholes crush the domestic manufacturer. Unfortunately, the military prosecutor’s office is silent ...
    1. predator.3
      predator.3 30 November 2013 10: 41 New
      11
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      Unfortunately, the military prosecutor’s office is silent ...

      Has she (the prosecutor's office) ever opened her mouth? Everyone is waiting for the "above" to say, we will not go far for examples, the same Vasilyeva and Company, and Colonel Kvachkov! This desk works either only to order, or trembles on the principle that the initiative is punishable!

      22 autonomous field camps worth 9,8 billion rubles.


      But 9,8 lemas will not be too greasy, for this money you can build 10-15 fighters or a hundred tanks, but it’s better to live in extreme kennels in your own Soviet tents, they lived for a month and no one froze, they slept, even undressed to x \ b.
      1. Wal
        Wal 30 November 2013 11: 32 New
        +8
        Somehow, before going out of the field, I went to a regiment com with the request that I would allocate some money for the construction of the field camp. To which he replied that with money any fool would build and you try without them. Built it.
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 30 November 2013 12: 32 New
          +3
          Quote: Wal
          that with money any durak will build and you try without them

          Soldiers will build everything for free, pull the neighboring villages along a log. Or will they cut the forest?
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      3. Garrin
        Garrin 30 November 2013 18: 22 New
        +3
        Quote: predator.3
        yes, it’s better to live in extreme krai in their native Soviet tents, they lived for a month and no one froze, slept, even undressing to x \ b.

        I even got sick of it. drinks
        1. alex-cn
          alex-cn 1 December 2013 06: 22 New
          +1
          As I recall a twenty-seat tarpaulin with a "Polaris" in the middle, and spruce branches on the floor, on the winter field ... brrr ... nostalgia disappears completely ...
    2. IGS
      IGS 30 November 2013 18: 26 New
      +2
      Enough to blame everything on Serdyukov, the generals always stole, otherwise it turns out Serdyukov came and imposed corruption. In the 90s, Serdyukov only began to trade in stools when he sold more than 50 Pacific Fleet ships at the price of scrap metal, did he sell Novorossiysk and Minsk to China for $ 9 million? We must talk about the true reason. And they want to blame everything on him and continue to steal calmly. NO IT ALREADY, NO MORE THAN A YEAR! And for the sake of justice, with him they even started talking about the fact that they had BROUGHT something for the army, and not quietly wipe that someone was SELLED FOR $ 1.
  • Neighbor
    Neighbor 30 November 2013 10: 11 New
    +5
    In addition, unemployment is almost one hundred percent in the same single-industry towns. We have more officials now than in the Soviet Union, but there is no one to think? All the same, probably laziness to work.
  • varov14
    varov14 30 November 2013 10: 25 New
    +7
    It is necessary for them to buy crematoria from the Germans when they finish them off so that they do not stink for a long time, again organic fertilizers, at least they will bring some benefit to their homeland.
  • varov14
    varov14 30 November 2013 10: 25 New
    +1
    It is necessary for them to buy crematoria from the Germans when they finish them off so that they do not stink for a long time, again organic fertilizers, at least they will bring some benefit to their homeland.
  • Kulneff2009
    Kulneff2009 30 November 2013 11: 06 New
    +3
    Quote: predator.3
    But 9,8 lemas will not be too greasy, for this money you can build 10-15 fighters or a hundred tanks, but it’s better to live in extreme kennels in your own Soviet tents, they lived for a month and no one froze, they slept, even undressed to x \ b.

    I totally agree! But why not come up with something for this amount? Stealing or laundering such money is apparently easier.
  • major071
    major071 30 November 2013 11: 09 New
    +5
    Another "drank" the dough on supplies of foreign camps that are unsuitable for our conditions (the idea came to add concentration camps), provided that we have our own developments, much cheaper and more practical, and precisely created for the needs of the Russian army. Apparently these "parquet" "generals" will not finish building a house on Rublevka.
    1. zanoza
      zanoza 30 November 2013 11: 36 New
      +4
      Quote: major071
      ... Apparently these "parquet" "generals" will not finish building a house on Rublevka ...

      Is it only on Rublevka? Maybe they are already completing the construction behind the "hillock", close to the places of residence of the children and grandchildren?
  • SlavaS
    SlavaS 30 November 2013 11: 21 New
    +2
    There are people, resources too, why buy one’s own building, or is there not enough mind?
    1. zanoza
      zanoza 30 November 2013 11: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: SlavaS
      Do you need to build your own, or is there not enough mind?

      These orders are the patrimony of our small business, the development of which our presidents constantly talk about, but they are not allowed to enter, there is nothing to take from them. But the Russian representatives of various foreign firms - with bread and salt. What can't you do for the prospect of getting into the management of these companies and other accompanying "gingerbread", military service is not durable, you need to take care of the future ...
      Nits - in a word.
  • Nayhas
    Nayhas 30 November 2013 11: 40 New
    +5
    In the network I found an advertisement for PTK, they offer autonomous field camps, i.e. do we still have manufacturers?
  • Nayhas
    Nayhas 30 November 2013 11: 40 New
    +1
    In the network I found an advertisement for PTK, they offer autonomous field camps, i.e. do we still have manufacturers?
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 30 November 2013 12: 00 New
    0
    I do not think that this situation was due to the fault of the general. I think the topic should be disclosed taking into account the field control points of the upper headquarters, then the situation will become clearer.
  • svp67
    svp67 30 November 2013 12: 05 New
    +6
    Meanwhile, no later than in August 2013, Army General Dmitry Bulgakov again publicly stated that the rear structures of the Russian army were acquiring the best products for their needs, regardless of the country of origin.
    Isn't it time to hold parliamentary HEARINGS, following the model of Western ones, to clarify such issues ... After all, with an unarmed eye it is clear that there is something wrong, such camps were created in our country back in Soviet times and if now our country cannot to release, it means we need to ESTABLISH production, after all, it has a DUAL purpose and God knows that in terms of complexity ... and enough to feed other workers when, according to the "premier", we are planning massive layoffs ...
    1. predator.3
      predator.3 30 November 2013 12: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      But isn’t it time to hold parliamentary HEARINGS, modeled on Western ones, to clarify such issues ...

      I agree, but for a start it would be nice to listen to the deputies themselves.
  • Horn
    Horn 30 November 2013 12: 10 New
    +2
    Bastards and thieves!
  • shtanko.49
    shtanko.49 30 November 2013 12: 19 New
    +6
    I wonder where the counterintelligence, the prosecutor's office and the commander in chief are looking?
    1. Asgard
      Asgard 30 November 2013 15: 44 New
      10
      Good question...
      I will direct))))
      The GRU / SVR collapsed, because they collected documents on traitors in the FSB and the highest levels of government, because there was more than one Gorbachev .... Yeltsin, Pasha-Mercedes)) and the current Commander in Chief .....
      Since that time, nothing has changed - they are hanging out with a deck of traitors, who were given a "black mark" even in the west and demonstrated it in Cyprus ...
      The traitors began to "vlazhivatsya" in the Army, and since not their own means, with the help of foreign thieves, according to an EXPENSIVE OPTION, they restore their damaged defenses ...
      Since they realized that money WITHOUT POWER SUPPORT is an occasion for the Hague Tribunal))))
      Now about Bulgakov ....
      He works with traitors, Masson Shoigu, his assistant, the underground hero of Russia Makarov, and so on .... In order to CONTINUE WORK THERE, he says! In line with their policies ".....
      And since Uncle He is literate, He is equally convincing both in the German Camp and in its Russian Analogs ..... otherwise they will expel and hang up their waste)))
      Many BETRAYED their homeland (army, people)) a little bit)))) because "children need to be fed.I quit (((
      As a result, 30 million Russians died in the 25 years of the Dermocracy ... And we were at the level of the Bronze Age (we can do something, we even use the benefits of the past civilization-Soviet))) BUT IT IS DEGRADATION .....
      Since we do not develop and do not support our production .....
      Any purchase of "menstrual" kills the Russian People and makes their life impossible ...
      WE ARE CRANTS WITH THESE "leaders" of procurement, the Army, the state .....

      The sooner we understand this, the more chances our children have to grow up free and not in the Campgrounds of Karcher Futuretech GmbH))))
  • shtanko.49
    shtanko.49 30 November 2013 12: 19 New
    +1
    I wonder where the counterintelligence, the prosecutor's office and the commander in chief are looking?
    1. servant
      servant 30 November 2013 12: 44 New
      +1
      And personally the minister!
  • svp67
    svp67 30 November 2013 12: 29 New
    +3
    My apologies to the administration of the site, but who is interested in looking at the "German" version, there are a lot of photos
    http://abunda.ru/107456-novyj-polevoj-lager-59-foto.html
    I must say right away - nothing supernatural, we can do it ourselves ourselves ..
  • Tanysh
    Tanysh 30 November 2013 12: 52 New
    +4
    Is it really not clear that in the society of the bureaucratic oligarchy other generals have not been given to us. The higher the rank, the larger the rat, which by hook or by crook survives all. Those tasks for the creation of mobile complexes were given back in the USSR and were successfully resolved. An example of this is the mobile hospital of the Ministry of Emergencies, originally from the USSR. but you can cut ours, but it’s difficult to share more.
  • Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 30 November 2013 13: 13 New
    +3
    <<< It remains to wait for the Ministry of Defense to finally come to an understanding of the futility of lobbying the interests of foreign manufacturers. >>>
    Here they are metastases of "Serdyukovism" that struck all structures of the Ministry of Defense! It will take a long time and a lot of effort and harm to get rid of the legacy of an "effective manager". First of all, it is important to get rid of his "clones" so that there are no relapses of this infection!
    1. servant
      servant 30 November 2013 13: 23 New
      +1
      No, these are the consequences of the naaaamnoy early period-Pasha-Mercedes, if you remember, the GBV roots from there!
  • x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 30 November 2013 13: 50 New
    +2
    Quote: Ivanovich47
    I now see something else, it’s easier to steal when an order is over a hill, and they use it. All this is done with one goal - to destroy domestic industry. The conditions of the 37th year and the article for wrecking are extremely necessary!

    I agree 100 percent. Serdyukov's "followers" should be taken for the gills.
  • Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 30 November 2013 14: 46 New
    14
    I remember how I criticized the mass purchase of camps in Germany, the mother was indignant as well ... I don’t think about the comfort of the fighters.

    Well, how is the experience in servicing ento equipment in Russia? No way. We spit out a fuevy cloud of money and now we think what to do with these torn rags, which by weight were purchased at the price of gold.
    No one was against the purchase of experimental field camps to study experience. But the purchase for the entire Army ... it’s not just drank dough, it already smacks of state treason.

    Having our own industrial base capable of producing these kits and systems is a strategic issue in the context of warfare. They kicked Napoleon and Hitler in the ass because they not only learned to fight, but also dressed warmly, warmed up and ate hot.

    The point is not only in warm tents ... The point is in the equipment supplied with these tents. It needs a lot.
    For example, we take only one aspect - field water supply:
    What we have in service:
    - Drilling hydraulic machine BGM-1, Mobile drilling rig PBU-200 (PBU-50M)
    - Automotive filter station MAFS-3,
    - Desalination station OPS-5,
    - Portable water treatment plant PVU-300,
    - Station of comprehensive cleaning SKO-0,3. SKO-8sS.
    And this is only equipment for the extraction and purification of water ... And frame tent? And their heating? What about storage and cooking? And washing and washing? Toilets? Energy supply system? Security and protection system? Storage of weapons, ammunition and equipment?
    Field Camp - THIS COMPLEX, and not just a beautiful tent and a washing machine, included in the outlet. It must be produced by YOURSELF for YOUR environment.
    And field camps are not only tent ... Google portable structures for protection, service and accommodation such as "Bunker", KVS-A, KVS-AM, KVS-U, LKS-3. Who will sell us such technologies? We forget them too?
    Next:
    What is the minimum temperature for Karcher Futuretech GmbH? Those that put Russia -17 degrees. If the temperature is lower - that's it, that's it, postpone the war.
    And we have climatic zones in Russia - like fleas on a butterfly. Starting from the subtropics and ending with the Arctic (the 200-th brigade is still fed “breakfasts”, and they cut D-30 for the 30-year-olds (!!!) and sleep in simple tents in the snow).

    Have you bought a good foreign sample? Have you learned the experience?
    Well done.
    Add this experience to RICH OWN EXPERIENCE. We have a bunch of specialists working on issues of field life.
    For those grandmothers who unfastened a foreign rag torn on Chebarkul (whoever was at this training ground knows what it was), it was possible to modernize ALL factories involved in this process in Russia.

    I often cringe when at exhibitions I see beautiful tubes made of the finest metal and straight gentle steps in all the camping equipment advertised for the Army there.
    He himself simply lived in such conditions, at landfills, in training areas, in the field, in the mountains above 2000m. and I perfectly understand that THIS is Crap, besides ... one-time.

    ps And lastly:
    For example, the SKO-0,3С comprehensive treatment station is designed to purify water from natural pollutants, toxic substances, bacterial agents and potent toxic substances.
    Do you think the Germans stuck the most correct filters that valiantly get rid of the best German toxic substances?
    Heh ...
    Photo: SKO-0,3С
    1. bask
      bask 30 November 2013 18: 52 New
      +5
      Hi Lesh, I agree with most of your conclusions.

      But learning and adopting German technology is simply necessary.
      Quote: Aleks tv
      Field Camp - THIS COMPLEX, and not just a beautiful tent and a washing machine, included in the outlet. It must be produced by YOURSELF for YOUR environment.

      The Germans have better this complex today today, in terms of organization itself, and equipping the camp with household appliances.

      We have worked out the technology for building shift camps, this is a full-fledged housing in any temperature and climatic conditions and altitudes.
      So we need to develop this direction. Without abandoning advanced technologies and materials (and they, alas, almost all imports).

      "" "ROSMODULPROM took part in the Target Federal Program" Development of the Southern Borders of the Russian Federation in 2003-2010 "for the Directorate for the Development of the State Border of the North Caucasus Region.
      The project "Military town of the Keoni"
      The project "Military camp POZZ" Khushet "....
      implementation of the Federal Target Program "State Border of the Russian Federation" ... container modules of communication posts were manufactured .. "" "http://www.rosmodulprom.com/ru/node/8

      NATO afghan.
    2. My address
      My address 30 November 2013 22: 13 New
      +3
      Dear Alexey!
      According to your comments, you can see that you were faced with the problem of providing relaxation for a large mass of people in the field. And you understand that this is not an easy task. It is not simple both in terms of optimal performance, and in terms of the impact on combat ability to work. I understood this in a civilian years after 35. And immediately he began to support support services - mechanics, electricians, power engineers, procurers, etc.
      Therefore, giving up combat readiness to the mercy of a foreign, far from a friend, is at least stupid. At least. Not to mention the support of another industry.
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 30 November 2013 23: 18 New
        +2
        Quote: My address
        to give combat readiness at the mercy of a foreign, far from a friend, at least silly.

        yes
        Yeah, Alexander, this is at least ... minimum (!!!) of the possible, hmm ... "problems".
    3. Current 72
      Current 72 1 December 2013 01: 57 New
      +1
      I agree with you! Some who advocate for purchases abroad. So, in your opinion, we must provide orders for foreign workers and ensure their well-being, instead of giving work to our workers and ensuring the well-being of their families. So you are real traitors, of your working people! Yes, we can do everything: from good-, and from shit an excellent bullet. Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe right. This is my opinion.
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  • individual
    individual 30 November 2013 15: 28 New
    +1
    Woof ** packed in a German candy wrapper is not sweetie, who does not believe let him turn around and bite ... wassat
  • voliador
    voliador 30 November 2013 15: 29 New
    +2
    If this general said one thing, and after half a year completely different, then it is clear to the baby that he has his own interest. But there would have been no noise - and quietly bought from the Germans, and then someone bought a new house.
  • tnship2
    tnship2 30 November 2013 15: 46 New
    +5
    Nothing new. Well, the big guys wanted to cut some money for easy. But it didn’t work, it’s everyday life. As Generalissimo Suvorov said: Can you safely hang the quartermasters in a year? I was not mistaken? Correct me brothers if I lied.
  • tnship2
    tnship2 30 November 2013 15: 46 New
    +1
    Nothing new. Well, the big guys wanted to cut some money for easy. But it didn’t work, it’s everyday life. As Generalissimo Suvorov said: Can you safely hang the quartermasters in a year? I was not mistaken? Correct me brothers if I lied.
  • Grbear
    Grbear 30 November 2013 16: 38 New
    +5
    I love our SMYU (I) for devotion to the truth-uterus. That's just, loyalty has long been venality, and the uterus, without truth, can be hung on the nose of anyone. And prove that ...

    A couple of questions fool :
    1. Bulgakov is the only one who has thundered in the article. In our generals, they do not "swim" alone. Or something outstanding?
    2. Our generals can be anything but fools stop . If Bulgakov was pinched once, then why else would he substitute?

    The fact that you need to feed your own, so who can argue. But it is not only the generals who decide - the Ministry of Economy and Development, the Ministry of Finance and another heel of "Min-s". And their combinations are not in two moves.
    Something like that. hi
  • gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 30 November 2013 18: 16 New
    +2
    Before becoming a general, Bulgakov was probably a colonel, etc., and apparently speaks voiced including higher or lower co-workers. It’s disgusting that people who defend their country because of such managers have to endure hardships in the field, just so that the next bastard massages his ass in the home jacuzzi! Crimes to the answer! Ah, prosecutors !
  • dengy12
    dengy12 30 November 2013 18: 24 New
    +2
    Quote: Polar
    Quote: My address
    That is, according to this article, the General-ladle Bulgakov or the big bastard, or the full gentleman of the Order de Bilov?
    What a pity that this is not the 37 year!

    Moreover, this big bastard, a representative of the highest command staff who has access to state secrets, is kept by a foreign company of a potential adversary. this general should have been lying around in the dungeons of counterintelligence for a long time, in his own hearth and bloody snot

    scary things you say but it doesn't seem to work differently
  • dengy12
    dengy12 30 November 2013 18: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: Polar
    Quote: My address
    That is, according to this article, the General-ladle Bulgakov or the big bastard, or the full gentleman of the Order de Bilov?
    What a pity that this is not the 37 year!

    Moreover, this big bastard, a representative of the highest command staff who has access to state secrets, is kept by a foreign company of a potential adversary. this general should have been lying around in the dungeons of counterintelligence for a long time, in his own hearth and bloody snot

    scary things you say but it doesn't seem to work differently
  • Stinger
    Stinger 30 November 2013 18: 51 New
    +4
    This story is similar to the story with Italian armored personnel carriers. They stepped the dilettante, assassins assented, secured them with gifts - and to destroy their defense forward.
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  • s1н7т
    s1н7т 30 November 2013 22: 03 New
    +5
    I don't understand what this is about. If about the equipment of training centers, then there long ago, where smart bosses, all the capital was built. And if the "moor", then this is recklessness. I remember that around midnight I got to the tent and didn’t even understand if it’s warm or cold, I fell stupidly on my bed, wrapped myself in whatever, and at 5 I got up and again shit, how comfortable it is around, because I have to work. Mobile baths were the only delight - there was even a small pool. So they just want to cut it again. "nothing new under the moon" (C).
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 30 November 2013 23: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: c1n7
      I remember that at around midnight I got to the tent and didn’t even understand whether it was warm or cold, stupidly collapsed into a bunk, wrapped myself in anything, and in 5 - getting up and again being hooded, how comfortable it is to work around. The only thing that pleased mobile baths was that there was even a small pool.

      AT THE POINT, Valentine.
      good
    2. starhina01
      starhina01 1 December 2013 01: 37 New
      0
      If about the equipment of training centers, then for a long time there, where smart bosses built everything capital. and then what will the comrade cadets learn? as well as at least they will competently put up tents with equipment, etc. and so last year during the exercises in October in the dugouts they hung out two weeks and nothing soldier
  • s1н7т
    s1н7т 30 November 2013 22: 03 New
    0
    I don't understand what this is about. If about the equipment of training centers, then there long ago, where smart bosses, all the capital was built. And if the "moor", then this is recklessness. I remember that around midnight I got to the tent and didn’t even understand if it’s warm or cold, I fell stupidly on my bed, wrapped myself in whatever, and at 5 I got up and again shit, how comfortable it is around, because I have to work. Mobile baths were the only delight - there was even a small pool. So they just want to cut it again. "nothing new under the moon" (C).
  • EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 1 December 2013 01: 43 New
    +3
    Here in Russia you can’t shoot the scoundrels, any muck with epaulets considers itself smarter than all,
    it was not possible to swallow a penny from the Germans so shit will pour over the top of the head. Shoot this not to shoot
    abominations in the ministry.
  • EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 1 December 2013 01: 48 New
    +1
    When this German field camps suddenly became bad, especially for Russians, this bastard infuriates
    insatiable.
  • La-5
    La-5 1 December 2013 09: 08 New
    +2
    The situation is reminiscent of the purchase of Italian Iveco armored cars, it seems that Russia itself has good cars and can do it, but for some reason they decided to buy foreign ones.
  • Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 1 December 2013 09: 50 New
    +1
    Whatever the news is sad, but not hopeless.

    The fact that there are so many lobbyists of foreign products is understandable. In the post-war period, the army gets rid of military generals first. In 1950 - 1970 it didn’t seem to us because there were too many BATTLE generals in 1945.

    But today....

    Not hopeless because of the ancient. We have the main general Moroz.
    Westerners cannot defeat him. But our craftsmen have not yet transferred ... And they make individual copies for exhibitions and competitions ... sometimes for their money. ... Ivan the Fools ...

    As I understand it, the army of twenty languages ​​is not ready for a new trip to Russia!
  • Tanysh
    Tanysh 1 December 2013 10: 04 New
    +1
    In any conditions, you can survive if there is one single tool HEAD !!!!!! Thanks for the information in the comments, if HEAD worked, mobile camps would have been in the army for a long time. I would like to offer Suvorov the technological capabilities of our century. Then the heroes would have worked his miracle.
  • vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 1 December 2013 14: 33 New
    +1
    One of the Russian specialists, who was preparing to take part in the last (canceled) tender for the procurement of field camps, explained to us: “In our understanding and in the understanding of the inspectors of Rosoboronzak, the rear equipment of the Armed Forces is still specialized military equipment. But the competition organizers for some reason did not put forward requirements for the purchased camps as military equipment and military equipment. And therefore, in fact, civilian products were purchased. As soon as this order is changed, immediately the advantages in a number of parameters will receive at the auction Russian products, which were developed in strict accordance with the technical specifications of our military. "

    I subscribe to the opinion of many members of the forum and the article "plus", "Serdyukovschina" still lives and flourishes in the Moscow region. Such as D. Buldakov is no better than Vasilyeva, they care more about their pocket than about the Army. By the way, in the North of Siberia, in the fields, our modules have been justifying themselves for many years.
  • bubla5
    bubla5 1 December 2013 15: 06 New
    +1
    It’s time to already cancel the concept of tender, it’s not our word that gives rise to total corruption, like factories like the state and the army like the Russian one, but they are bidding like a bazaar, and everybody wants to tear off a piece, and let out our cabins production is not worse, and sometimes better, can be put on wheels
  • bubla5
    bubla5 1 December 2013 15: 24 New
    0
    You can arrange field camps in generals at summer cottages of generals, since it’s good that you can arrange a battalion of personnel at one cottage, but you know how many of their generals
  • Vadim12
    Vadim12 2 December 2013 03: 08 New
    0
    Why buy overseas? For this money, it is possible to establish an issue in the Russian Federation. Just Serdyuchka for the whole collapse must be felled to send. And better, to the wall.
  • Vadim12
    Vadim12 2 December 2013 03: 08 New
    0
    Why buy overseas? For this money, it is possible to establish an issue in the Russian Federation. Just Serdyuchka for the whole collapse must be felled to send. And better, to the wall.