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"Admiral Nakhimov" will return to the Russian Navy in 2018-2019.

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"Admiral Nakhimov" will return to the Russian Navy in 2018-2019.

According to Interfax-AVN, the modernization of the nuclear-powered missile cruiser Admiral Nakhimov will make it possible for the Navy to introduce a modern rocket ship already in 2018-2019, and at a price slightly higher than the planned cost of the new destroyer.


This is stated in the report of the Expert Council of the Chairman of the Military-Industrial Commission under the Government of the Russian Federation, which was distributed at the All-Russian Forum “Shipbuilding and Shipping of Russia: New Solutions and Economic Efficiency” which opened on Thursday.

“In case of success of this project, the modernization of other cruisers of the Soviet construction projects 1144 and 1164, including the Admiral Lobov cruiser in Ukraine, can become quite sensible,” the report’s authors believe.

As for the surface ships of the new generation, then, in their opinion, the main problem lies in the complexity and high cost of finishing the promising projects of the corvette (20385 project), the frigate (22350 project), and also the development of the project of the promising destroyer.

"The greatest difficulty is the development of combat information and control systems of promising ships, the development of new radars (" Polyment "), the development of promising naval air defense systems, the creation of a modern, light and relatively inexpensive universal artillery 100-130 mm caliber," the report says.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 29 November 2013 09: 45
    14
    Good luck and success to our shipbuilders ..
    1. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 29 November 2013 10: 34
      +7
      Little by little, but let's go ahead ...
      1. AVV
        AVV 29 November 2013 11: 11
        +2
        Of course I would like to have modernization work carried out faster !!!
    2. Civil
      Civil 29 November 2013 10: 58
      0
      Battleship, he is the battleship ... and not a cruiser, the dream of all militarists
      1. tronin.maxim
        tronin.maxim 29 November 2013 12: 07
        +2
        Admiral Nakhimov is definitely needed! Nuclear cruisers are power! Especially if they are properly made up. You see, they can deliver hypersonic missiles or the marine version with -500. As soon as the modernization comes, the time will come for new technologies.
  2. Arberes
    Arberes 29 November 2013 09: 48
    +7
    The handsome cruisers will also serve while there are no new destroyers!
    The main thing is that they would not forget to allocate money for their repair and modernization.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 29 November 2013 10: 19
      +4
      Quote: Arberes
      The handsome cruisers will also serve while there are no new destroyers!
      The main thing is that they would not forget to allocate money for their repair and modernization.
      It was necessary to first bring to such a state that the repair costs in the amount of more than the price of a new destroyer. But still better than mediocre needles.
      1. Arberes
        Arberes 29 November 2013 10: 26
        +5
        Quote: Nagan
        It was necessary to first bring to such a state that the repair costs in the amount of more than the price of a new destroyer. But still better than mediocre needles.

        How many of them marinated at the docks at the wall, about eleven years old? And what did you do with aircraft-carrying cruisers? Remember, such an insult gnaws!
      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 29 November 2013 10: 56
        +2
        Quote: Nagan
        It was necessary to first bring to such a state that the repair costs in the amount of more than the price of a new destroyer.

        Modernization in general is not cheap, especially with the replacement, in fact, of all the main ship systems.
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 29 November 2013 11: 50
          +3
          Quote: Vladimirets
          in fact, all major ship systems.

          Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, Admiral Viktor Chirkov, when visiting the Naval Academy named after Kuznetsova.-
          "After modernization, the missile cruiser will carry up to 80 missile weapons for various purposes." The power plant of the TARK "Admiral Nakhimov" will remain unchanged. Evgeny, hi !
          1. patsantre
            patsantre 29 November 2013 14: 40
            +2
            Strange phrase. Just to blurt out. Before modernization, he carried HUNDREDS of missile weapons.
            1. alone
              alone 29 November 2013 19: 48
              0
              Quote: patsantre
              Strange phrase. Just to blurt out. Before modernization, he carried HUNDREDS of missile weapons.


              Why strange. So they reduced the number of missiles. Do you think the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, Admiral Viktor Chirkov, does not understand what he is saying?
              1. patsantre
                patsantre 1 December 2013 18: 54
                +1
                To put it mildly, it’s not very modernization. Why the hell do you need it at all? On frigate 22350 you can place more missiles.
  3. Volodya Sibiryak
    Volodya Sibiryak 29 November 2013 09: 50
    +7
    The news is good, you just need to change the name, you should not tempt fate. Rumor has it that Pavel Stepanovich himself cursed himself and the ships bearing his name.
  4. stalker
    stalker 29 November 2013 09: 52
    +1
    Modernization of ships of this class is a good thing, if the margin of safety allows, but the terms of modernization confuse something for a long time for modernization
    1. Desert Fox
      Desert Fox 29 November 2013 09: 59
      +4
      quite normal terms. A lot of time will be spent on one refinement of the reactor. I’m silent about the subsequent replacement of the BIOS. In addition, do not forget that after modernization, the ship will undergo further sea trials and refinement.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 29 November 2013 10: 33
      +5
      So, this is the restructuring of the ship, a la Gorshkov-Vikra. There will be a new mast with radar blades, an updated reactor, new vehicles, new weapons (a hundred UKKS), for example, all cable routes will be pulled, but only this (with accompanying work) takes one and a half to two years on such a ship.
    3. Tersky
      Tersky 29 November 2013 11: 54
      +2
      Quote: stalker
      Modernization of ships of this class is a good thing, if the margin of safety allows, but the terms of modernization confuse something for a long time for modernization

      Nothing remained of this class except "Peter" and "Nakhimov." "Admiral Lazarev" and "Admiral Ushakov" - cannot be restored and will be disposed of.
      1. skiff-xnumx
        skiff-xnumx 29 November 2013 14: 29
        +1
        Where such information comes from if not a secret. Somehow they wrote that all the ships of the project will be modernized. Although the question is really with Kirov. Is it necessary to build a new one?
  5. Wolland
    Wolland 29 November 2013 09: 52
    0
    NORMAL OPTION - USSR-OVSKI SHIP + FILLED WITH ACTUAL BATTLE SYSTEMS ... LET'S SEE HOW IT WILL LOOK ...
    1. Desert Fox
      Desert Fox 29 November 2013 10: 01
      0
      If it's so interesting then look at "Vikramaditya" wink
  6. kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 29 November 2013 09: 59
    10
    Now there are certainly specialists who will prove very reasonably that this should not be done, but I really want all these four handsome men to be in service beautiful ships of a dairy country.
    PS specialists do not scold strongly for emotions !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 29 November 2013 10: 25
      -1
      Quote: kapitan281271
      who will prove very reasonably that this should not be done

      The volume of required work will be many times greater than those that were carried out at Gorshkov. Nakhimov 14! years in the crap stood. It is necessary to change absolutely all ship systems, subject to the availability of a reactor. The government is now making every effort to reduce costs, against this background, the prospect of Nakhimov is rather sad. Repair and modernization may begin, but will they finish ...
      Quote: kapitan281271
      and I really want all these four handsome men to be in order

      Ushakov and Lazarev have long been able to between junk and a rusty trough ... They are definitely scrap ...
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 29 November 2013 10: 36
      +1
      Unfortunately, Kirov’s body condition is poor, and this is the main one, it’s very different, very strong. Lazarev cannot be brought to Sevmash, and there are no reserves in the hull there (corrosion is prohibitive).
      1. 10kAzAk01
        10kAzAk01 29 November 2013 10: 54
        +5
        It is clear that it is expensive, but on its basis the power can be increased several times, and what about the hull ... The Commune is already 100 years old, and it is still a very popular ship ... the Americans, too, are in no hurry to cut their Iowas .. ...
  7. i.xxx-1971
    i.xxx-1971 29 November 2013 10: 06
    +5
    It is necessary to reanimate everything that remains of the Navy of the USSR, including nuclear submarines with titanium hulls. And then slowly update the ship's crew. First of all, due to the DPL and the Esimnians of the ocean zone. DBK can effectively provide coastal defense.
  8. avg
    avg 29 November 2013 10: 21
    +1
    It’s nice to read such messages in the morning. good A worthy answer to Kashin's article "Ocean ambitions in a pool of opportunities." Yes, sailors are not afraid of meadows, comrade. Kashin! wink
  9. Archikah
    Archikah 29 November 2013 10: 27
    +1
    In the past, I was involved with the fleet - a helmsman-minder. Now only yachting. But gentlemen. The twenty-first century is in the yard, but we still have the same and all the same. I agree that it makes sense to restore this "Handsome" only if you equip it with an Electromagnetic cannon (quite within your powers), and put a revolver installation for launching various missiles. And not just the RCC. If only to restore it, as it was - only with a new BIUS and radars - then, forgive me, I don't see any sense in this. And of course there is no reason to take Lobov from Ukraine (Nikolaev). Because it will not be sold for a penny.
    And about frigates and other things that our shipbuilders cannot finish building. And where did the money for the construction of Admiral Gorshkov go? Northern Shipyard - someone there (some bank) sponsored about, and he took it and fell apart. here is the reliability of the Russian fleet at the outfitting wall. drinks
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 29 November 2013 10: 44
      +4
      EM - not very soon, while only concepts in the world and experienced. Years through 15 will be serial, but not before.
      UKKS there will be a hundred missiles for various purposes.
      Radars are new and the add-on is half new.
      CIUS and other, of course, new.


      Heaps of money on Gorshkov, they didn’t go anywhere, and what about the Northern Shipyard? It’s as if they were to blame for the fact that Arsenal couldn’t make a gun a little, Almaz-Antey delayed the radar at 2, Agat and Mars still can’t pass the cycle of KSA “Battleship-22350” even at the stand. The suppliers were to blame for the delays, even the same Kasatonov had been waiting for Turbines for a year, for example (who installed Saturn or the Ukrainian Zarya there), a number of work on the case was impossible without turbines, because they were connected with these turbines and engine ones.

      The Navy is also to blame for the delays, which wrote out a demand with an exorbitant% of equipment and weapons, at the time of the requirements that did not even exist in the stages of deep development (actually under advance projects).

      On the other hand, a fast-moving ship would be a ship of the beginning of the 90's in terms of armament and equipment.
  10. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 29 November 2013 11: 06
    +3
    Quote: Archikah
    An electromagnetic gun (quite capable), and put a turret to launch various missiles. And not just RCC

    Yes, come on, you remember about electromagnetic crap. It is not suitable for the full armament of the ship! In order to shoot a full-fledged shell weighing 60 kg, it will be the size of an entire cruiser and shoot once a day. To date, the projectile for the railgun 100g and does not carry centuries. That is, it is suitable only for direct fire firing at airplanes (large and not fast). For ships beyond 40 km it will no longer work. By the way, drum sets are already yesterday since they are more complicated, more expensive, take up more space and are less rapid-fire than a universal cell installation.
  11. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 29 November 2013 11: 11
    +1
    PS So far, it is problematic to place the control system in the railgun shell, because unlike the rocket, the acceleration increases instantly and all the electronics die plus the plasma cloud around the shell interferes.
  12. q_556
    q_556 29 November 2013 11: 38
    0
    It will be a long and difficult, but necessary modernization.
  13. Dmitry Zurn
    Dmitry Zurn 29 November 2013 12: 10
    +1
    A wonderful ship, it has a huge modernization potential, with high-quality timely service, this project can serve in the next century. This ship is able to serve as the basis for any group of ships, including the promising AUG. The commissioning of all the ships of this project and the Ukrainian cruiser would allow Russia to save on the construction of aircraft carriers (not include aircraft carriers, cruise missiles in the nomenclature. - I admit the possibility of building an aircraft carrier so that its modernization in the future would allow this type of weaponry to be introduced, although if in Russia there will still be new projects of destroyers (universal ships) armed with long-range missiles, then modernization with the inclusion of the KR aircraft carrier will not be relevant)
  14. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 29 November 2013 13: 32
    +2
    That is, squeezing modern weapon systems and radar into a ship of smaller displacement does not work. Well, at least they decide so, better late than never. And when the service life of this heritage of the USSR comes out, what next, where will we buy ships? I’ve just deja vu some with tsarist Russia, which we all lost, the most combat-ready ships in the end turned out to be bought abroad.
  15. 1hanom2
    1hanom2 29 November 2013 15: 25
    0
    Quote: svp67
    According to Interfax-AVN, the modernization of the Admiral Nakhimov nuclear missile cruiser will allow the introduction of a modern missile ship into the Navy in 2018-2019.


    This is very good news :))

    “In case of success of this project, the modernization of other cruisers of the Soviet construction projects 1144 and 1164, including the Admiral Lobov cruiser in Ukraine, can become quite sensible,” the report’s authors believe.

    But with this, it seems to me it’s not worth pulling .... well, they are standing there, rusting ... time is running out.
  16. shpuntik
    shpuntik 29 November 2013 15: 44
    0
    Encouraging news. The ships will be given work, the fleet will not lose the skill. All four must be put into operation. There is nowhere to stand on water, in sludge, everything rusts.
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  18. mvg
    mvg 29 November 2013 16: 39
    +1
    that's why the Mistrals were bought, in order to spi.dit the combat information system. The French have one of the best SLAs. Take Rafale, take Leclerc. LMS and there and there are the best in their class. On Mistral there is just a command version .. like "Aegis". Since we cannot ourselves, we must buy it. And the Swedes have guns, ours have been bringing 130 mm gun mounts for many years .. it only shoots 12-16 shots, then goes into a "stupor", for artillery they are 20 years behind, for the FCS forever. What is interesting we put on the "Gorshkov" to the Indians ... ??? They will definitely remake, strain the Jews and remake them.
    1. alone
      alone 29 November 2013 19: 53
      0
      Quote: mvg
      that's why Mistrals were bought to spydit military information system.


      Think the French have hay instead of brains? The French who build ships for Russia will install ultra-modern FCS on the ships! Do you believe it yourself? they have established exactly what they themselves do not use. They have no "effective managers", and selling the latest systems is not part of their plans.
  19. clidon
    clidon 29 November 2013 19: 11
    0
    The meaning of this ship without carrier support is incomprehensible. "Peter" could work in tandem with "Kuznetsov", and "Nakhimov" will work only within the native waters? Or is it already implied that after its commissioning, "Peter the Great" will be sent to the reserve?
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  21. Kaetani
    Kaetani 29 November 2013 21: 31
    0
    And I just want to see him under the flag of St. Andrew at Gibraltar
  22. voliador
    voliador 30 November 2013 01: 09
    0
    According to Interfax-AVN, the modernization of the Admiral Nakhimov nuclear missile cruiser will allow the introduction of a modern missile ship into the Navy in 2018-2019.

    And with Nakhimov as with the Indian aircraft carrier will not work? The foreign customer has missed all the deadlines, but what’s faster here? I would like, but I can’t believe it for some reason.
  23. voliador
    voliador 30 November 2013 01: 09
    0
    According to Interfax-AVN, the modernization of the Admiral Nakhimov nuclear missile cruiser will allow the introduction of a modern missile ship into the Navy in 2018-2019.

    And with Nakhimov as with the Indian aircraft carrier will not work? The foreign customer has missed all the deadlines, but what’s faster here? I would like, but I can’t believe it for some reason.
  24. DimychDV
    DimychDV 30 November 2013 09: 17
    0
    And "Frunze" - "Lazarev" is not his twin? Is it true that they want to overtake him closer to the Atlantic and to the repair base? And what will they leave us here on Tikhiy? One parquet "Varyag"?
    1. clidon
      clidon 30 November 2013 10: 37
      0
      Twin. Only he is in a dead state, so most likely both he and "Kirov" have only one road to it.
  25. kelevra
    kelevra 18 December 2013 23: 28
    0
    Our scientists will cope with all tasks. The main thing is not to stop and move forward!