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Demographic problem as a threat to Russian civilization

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Demographic problem as a threat to Russian civilization

For more than two decades Russia has been in a state of demographic catastrophe, from which many other problems flow. True last news from the “demographic front” it would seem that they should inspire hope. Since 2010, there has been an increase in population. The birth rate has increased from 10,4 in 2006 to 13,3 in 2012. Accordingly, the mortality rate has decreased from 15,2 to 13,3 over the same time period. Growing and life expectancy. With a creak, state pressure on alcohol and tobacco "mafias" increased.


20 November 2013, the news appeared that, according to Rosstat, the population of the Russian Federation in nine months increased by 5,1 thousand people. Also, compared with the previous year, an increase in the birth rate and a decrease in mortality by 3-5%. Compared to 2012, 2013 thousand children were born in 1411,2 year, which is almost 2 thousand more, and the number of deaths has decreased by almost 12,5 thousand.

However, two facts are alarming. Firstly, the increase is insignificant, that is, the negative trend is not broken, it is only slightly smoothed. In addition, experts talk about the approaching time of entry into the active period of reproduction of generations of 1990-s, small, mentally and physically weak. Demographers also talk about the transition of new generations to Western standards of living, which leads to a tendency to reduce the need for children. So, to 2015 — 2025. predict a drop in the total fertility rate to 1,0 (for a small increase, the 2,1-2,2 coefficient of the child per family is required). Secondly, most of the growth in recent years is provided by migration. So, of the total population growth in ten months 2013 of the year in 219,1 thousand people, 97,7% is a migration increase. A similar picture can be seen in previous years. In 2007, the migration increase was 258,1 thousand people, that is, by 54,9% compensated for the numerical loss of the population from natural loss. In total, compared to the previous year, the migration increase in the population of the Russian Federation increased by 103,7 thousand people, or by 67,1%. In 2008, the migration increase was 257,1 thousand people and by 71% compensated for the numerical loss of the population of Russia from a natural decline. In 2009, the migration increase fully compensated for the decline in population.

Thus, we see what patriotic leaders have long warned about: migrants compensate for the decline in population and replace the indigenous population of Russia. First of all, under the blow of the Slavs, the Finno-Ugrians and Turks, who form the core of Russian civilization. At the same time with the gradual replacement of the indigenous population, other negative trends related to this factor are becoming increasingly apparent:

- strengthening of the Islamic factor. The network structures of the “Islamic project” have sharply strengthened their positions in the open spaces of Russia, the country now has a serious social base of international terrorism. The problem region is now not only the North Caucasus, but also the Moscow region and the Middle Volga region. There are Islamist cells in almost all regions of the Russian Federation;

- the replacement of the indigenous population and the strengthening of the Islamists cause a nationalist reaction. There is a split along the line of "aliens - indigenous", "Muslims - Christians";

- the presence of a powerful migration community and new citizens of the Russian Federation, which, to a significant extent, as was the case in the Russian Empire and the USSR, are not assimilated into the Russian environment, but create large families, clans and ghettos, which leads to an increased possibility of implementing the “Syrian” (“ Yugoslav scenario) in the medium or long term. Alien communities are a kind of “antibodies” that break the Russian civilizational fabric. They are detrimental in several fundamental areas at once: a criminal situation, a drop in the level of education (teachers in classes are equal to lagging students, which leads to a fall in the general level), an increase in domestic and interethnic conflicts, an increase in the potential of a revolutionary situation, etc.

Statistics is relentless. If by the year 2035 in Russia, half of the families will not be 3-4-detailed, then by the middle of the XXI century the “Russian question”, which Hitler's Third Reich tried to solve by force, can be resolved “naturally”. The indigenous population of the Russian Federation will decrease at least one and a half times. Even if this decline is compensated by a migratory influx, it will not be Russian civilization. The Russians will be just one of the communities of the huge “Babylon”.

In addition, the trend continues for the desertion of villages, towns, small towns and the growth of megacities. Liberals have repeatedly voiced plans to concentrate the remaining population around several megacities.

So Russians are struck out stories. Those Russian communities that will continue to exist in Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic States and other regions will no longer be the subject of history that influences the development of humanity. For the survival of Russia, a real mobilization program is required, since currently large families have only about 7% of the total number of all Russian families. Demography and large families are a matter of the survival of the entire civilization; therefore, they should become the focus of attention of the authorities, political parties, movements and public structures. All policies of the Russian state and society should be focused and focused on demography. It is not clear for people who are involved in urgent problems and do not see national and even civilizational tasks, but if we really want to save Russia and Russia and take a worthy place in the future world, rather than become the object of exploitation, parasitism, we will have to solve this problem.

A bit of history and current situation

Over the 20th century, Russia has turned from a state with an annual population growth of more than 1 million people per year at the beginning of the century to an endangered region of the planet. Thus, according to the calculations of the Office of the Chief Medical Inspector of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the population of the Russian Empire (without Finland) in the middle of the year was: 1909, 156 million, 1910, 158,3 million, 1911, 160,8 million, 1912 g - 164 million, 1913 g. - 166,7 million people. At the beginning of the 20th century, Russia was the third most populated region in the world: according to the 1897 census, 128,2 million lived in it. We were inferior only to China (approximately 400 million people) and India (about 280 million people). Considering the then demographic trends, the great Russian scientist Dmitri Ivanovich Mendeleev gave a forecast: the population of the Russian Empire would reach 282,7 million by the middle of the century, and by the beginning of the XXI century - about 600 million.

It is quite possible to believe Mendeleev, since China and India both occupied the first and second lines in the demographic rating, and retained these places. Why did Russia slide into a 9 place? .. Mendeleev's forecast for the United States came true: he considered that by the middle of the XX century, the US population would reach the bar in 180 million people; in 1959, 179 million lived in the United States. The Mendeleev demographic model was based on the census 1897 of the year, the annual population growth equal to 15 people per 1000 inhabitants (1,5% per year). He projected this gain into the future. In Stalin’s USSR, population growth was even higher in 1951-1952 — on average, 17 people per 1000 inhabitants. Therefore, the urbanization argument of the USSR cannot refute the Mendeleev model. However, the population of the USSR in 1959 was 208,8 million, not 282 million, as Mendeleev assumed.

The natural course of things that was supposed to give Russian civilization with the scientific, military and economic component of the demographic potential to be superpower number XXUMX, which will lead humanity to the stars, was interrupted. The masters of the western project were able to provoke the 1-1905 and 1907 revolutions, the Russian-Japanese war 1917-1904, the civil war, the First and Second World Wars. Russia was set against its natural allies: in the west by Germany, and in the east by Japan. And they could become our strategic partners for keeping the world order alternative to the Anglo-Saxon project on the planet. As a result, by the middle of the 20th century, the scale of the demographic catastrophe amounted to more than 1905 million people in Russia.

Protected by two oceans, the United States, on whose territory there were no revolutions, wars and civil conflicts in the twentieth century, maintained population growth rates. India also did not become the scene of fierce battles and retained the second position. Although China became a victim of external aggression and internal catastrophic shocks in the first half of the 20th century, thanks to the huge “demographic reserve”, when the losses of tens of millions of people did not become a catastrophe for the country, it retained the first position.

At the beginning of the XXI century, the demographic situation approached a critical level. Thus, in 2010, the deputy head of the Ministry of Regional Development, Sergey Yurpalov, said that in two decades Russia had lost about 23 thousand settlements, of which about 20 thousand were rural settlements. The population of Russia and Ukraine has decreased by several million people. Desertion of Siberia and the Far East took such a scale that it is already possible to foresee a time when Russia simply will not be able to keep these huge regions within a single state. What does this mean for a state with a population of more than two times less than the United States (320 million), and located on almost twice the size of the States, the territory? The answer is obvious.

Possessing such a vast territory rich in water, land, forest resources, vast areas that are almost not affected by human activities, imposes on the indigenous peoples of Russia, and first of all, Russian superethnos (as part of the Great Russians, Little Russians, Belarusians and small ethnic groups), a huge responsibility. A holy place is never empty! The people, turning into biomass, occupied only by personal consumption, who is even too lazy to reproduce themselves, will be “asked” to exit.

The world is beginning to overwhelm the wave of the new "Great Migration". The development of communications, transparency of borders allows millions of people to seek happiness in other regions. Few of the Russian consumers, whining about the bad fate, life, the insecurity of life, know that simple fact that they are actually in the “golden billion” by the level of consumption. Just do not compare yourself with the privileged groups of Western countries. The inheritance of the USSR is so huge that it allows us to get more or less satisfactory education, medical services, find a job, live in relative safety, when the builders of the “Islamic Caliphate” or ordinary bandits do not cut off your head, and the militants of the neighboring tribe do not cut out for "living space". Russia has access to land, water, electricity, gas and central heating in the houses. The level of wages and consumption is much higher than the average level in Latin America, Africa and Asia (we are not talking about elite circles, but ordinary people). Therefore, Russia has become the second center of migration in the world, second only to the United States and overtaking Europe.

Therefore, Russia is extremely attractive for citizens who have passed the first stage in restoring tribal relations and neo-feudalism of the republics of Central Asia, and for those without prospects outside of Russia: Georgia and Armenia, Moldova and Ukraine. As the world crisis develops, which will throw Russia’s southern borders into the past by several centuries - constant interethnic, internecine conflicts, local genocides, waves of refugees, famine, epidemics, lack of basic products - Russia will become even more attractive to migrants.

Of course, part of the ruling “elite” in Russia may think that it is possible to build a regime following the example of the Arab monarchies of the Persian Gulf - “energy powers”, where there is an “elite” bathed in luxury, and all the work is done by guest workers: from highly qualified engineers to the janitors. They say that we will replace the endangered Aborigines with migrants, there will be enough people for the service of the “pipe economy”. However, it is clear to sensible people that such power will be swept away during a new wave of global crisis.

Only one model of government is stable in Russia — one that works in the interests of the whole people, and not of its individual groups and classes. Therefore, Ivan the Terrible and Stalin are so popular in society. Despite the "thunderstorm" - and without it it is impossible to fight thieves and traitors, - they acted in the interests of the majority.

Soon the moment will come when the authorities simply cannot control the entire territory of Russia. Then the scenarios of separation of the Caucasus, the Far East, Siberia and the Urals can become a cruel fact. But nothing can be done. Such a threat is real. Hunters get Russian territory is more than enough. They speak openly about plans to divide Russia without embarrassment. In particular, in the USA there are circles that want to make the American Russian Far East, the Russian North and Siberia. The main competitor of the United States in the fight for these territories is China. Japan also wants to get your piece.

The Russian authorities tirelessly repeat the spells about “modernization”, “optimization” and “stability”, understanding of the situation, expressing concern, even talking about “successes”, but in fact these are only words. But in reality, the demographic policy is extremely wretched (“maternity capital” should be part of a whole system of measures, and not the most advertised event, which is already threatened to be curtailed), and the migration policy in general is criminal. The migration policy of Moscow makes it possible to form in Russia almost a slave-owning system, and in Central Asia to support artificial regimes of local bais and khans who “channelize” protest energy together with young men in the Russian Federation. It must be honestly said that with the current structure - “Russian capitalism”, where the “golden calf” won, this problem is completely unsolvable. The only solution is Russian socialism, the construction of the Russian Union (USSR-2), taking into account the positive and negative experience of the Russian and Red empires.

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  1. Civil
    Civil 29 November 2013 06: 45
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    Yes, we don’t need revolutions, we need to reform what we have, we need large-scale adjustments, but not to the detriment of the population, and as usual, they will knock down the oligarchs, nationalize the means of production, and then the new elite will again be formed from the next crooks, it’s necessary to build such a system of society when crooks and thieves were in the authorities only among the camp roosters.
    1. Canep
      Canep 29 November 2013 07: 09
      32
      In order to improve demography, in my opinion, it is necessary to abandon migrant workers from Central Asia and stimulate internal labor migration. My cousin lives in the Ivanovo region, and goes to work for 15 days in Moscow. He receives the same money as the Tajiks. But in his village, the factory that worked since 1894 was closed and there is no more work. Dismantled houses to transport them to a more prosperous region. This is noted 300 km from Moscow, and what is happening at 1000, 2000, 3000 km. If the men have work and confidence in the future, then the women will give birth.
      How to get rid of migrant workers? It is very simple to introduce a tax on the use of foreign labor in the amount of at least 500 euros per month. And for violation by the employer of the migration law, stop fines altogether, and start planting everyone. By the way, convicts are another source of labor, but reform of the FSIN is needed here.
      As previously written, you need to give an interest-free mortgage to those who have served in the army. Say no money? Russia has 500 billion in the stash, and this is 200000 apartments (a large city with a population of 600000) and a sea of ​​jobs in the construction of this housing. Further need for money can be solved at the expense of money that is paid by those who previously received housing.
      If there is housing and work, then demography itself will recover.
      1. Arberes
        Arberes 29 November 2013 09: 56
        13
        Quote: Canep
        My cousin lives in the Ivanovo region, and goes to work for 15 days in Moscow. He receives the same money as the Tajiks.

        Recently I watched one program about Japan, where the problem with migrant migrant workers was solved very wisely in my opinion. Under Japanese labor law, an employer is required to pay a foreign worker more than a native Japanese! So they don’t have this problem. But I want to note that laws work in Japan!
        Good afternoon to you, dear Canep hi
        1. Canep
          Canep 29 November 2013 10: 10
          +6
          Greetings to Arberes! hi As for Japan, as far as I know, seven circles of hell need to go there, ours went there on a business trip so they waited for a visa for more than 2 months, and it is very difficult to bring illegal immigrants either by sea or by plane. They say Japan, in terms of entry, is the most redundant country, and if there is something to trivialize, you can forget about the land of the rising sun forever.
          And as for demography, there is not any maternal capital in Kazakhstan, and there is a serious population growth in May. A 17 millionth resident was born despite the fact that 15 million years ago there were 15 million. In Russia, it is still necessary to solve the problem of alcoholism. But I think if there will be stable work and housing, then there will be less thump.
          1. Arberes
            Arberes 29 November 2013 10: 49
            +8
            Quote: Canep
            They say Japan, in terms of entry, is the most red tape country,

            YES heard, she is also an island and this is also a big plus!

            Quote: Canep
            In Russia, the problem of alcoholism still needs to be addressed. But I think if there will be stable work and housing, then there will be less thump.

            I do not argue that it should be an integrated approach! Do you remember how one "humpbacked eccentric" tried to solve it impudently? I know myself and my friends, there were alcoholic products on the shelves, so we didn't pay much attention to it, only on holidays (we were 20 years old then), but how coupons were introduced and it began! Standing in queues with the thought of whether or not it will get out and looking at some of the dropped elements (where without them) rushing out of line to the cherished liquid! A couple of times it came to a massacre. Then you begin to feel like such a cattle that you are involuntarily reaching for a glass.
            About fertility and our future children! Keep positive, and to all my colleagues hi
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            Gentle smile
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            My sweet happiness
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            Do not need anything,
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            Just laugh louder
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            Dad, mom and smart, healthy kids! Here are our values, it was, is and will be! drinks
        2. Clegg
          Clegg 29 November 2013 17: 02
          +3
          Quote: Arberes
          Recently I watched one program about Japan, where the problem with migrant migrant workers was solved very wisely in my opinion. Under Japanese labor law, an employer is required to pay a foreign worker more than a native Japanese! So they don’t have this problem. But I want to note that laws work in Japan!


          Now compare the economic performance of Japan and Germany. Germany, which has migrant workers, drags the whole of Europe on itself, and Japan without migrants in railroad, sorry of course!
          1. poquello
            poquello 29 November 2013 18: 48
            +1
            Quote: Clegg

            Now compare the economic performance of Japan and Germany. Germany, which has migrant workers, drags the whole of Europe on itself, and Japan without migrants in railroad, sorry of course!

            Reminded Stirlitz, a cat and gasoline.
            A similar conclusion can be made by comparing German sausages with beer and Japanese fish.
          2. ramzes1776
            ramzes1776 30 November 2013 02: 48
            +6
            Quote: Clegg
            and Japan without migrants in zh_pe, sorry of course!

            If, in your opinion, Japan is in one interesting place, then Russia, in comparison with Japan, then where is it located ??? what
            1. Clegg
              Clegg 30 November 2013 11: 13
              0
              Quote: ramzes1776
              If, in your opinion, Japan is in one interesting place, then Russia, in comparison with Japan, then where is it located ???

              Not far from Japan))) However, like us)
              1. ramzes1776
                ramzes1776 30 November 2013 14: 14
                +3
                Quote: Clegg
                Near Japan)))

                I would not say. By the standard of living we are much further and deeper fellow
        3. ramzes1776
          ramzes1776 30 November 2013 02: 44
          +1
          Quote: Arberes
          Under Japanese labor law, an employer is required to pay a foreign worker more than a native Japanese!

          And the casket just opened. It is only worth the authorities to turn to face this problem and everything will be OK hi
      2. Skiff
        Skiff 29 November 2013 11: 08
        +6
        To improve demography, you need to make more children, and do not look back at the state and wait for help, raise children in the spirit of family values, tell the child who he is, who his ancestors are, tell the glorious history of the ancestors, the pedigree, why he should live and what to live for.
      3. LION
        LION 29 November 2013 17: 09
        +6
        We take a wife, retire, do something. Then we wait for 9 months. And so, three or four times. The main desire and love. Both to children and to the wife.
        I have three. All the boys.
        And yes. Demography itself is not getting better, especially after such a war as the Great Patriotic War (the generation born in 1920-1925 died almost completely)
        1. Defender
          Defender 29 November 2013 22: 54
          +4
          I have three. All the boys. Congratulations! hi And my wife has a fourth in the stomach. wink
        2. ramzes1776
          ramzes1776 30 November 2013 02: 51
          +3
          Quote: LION
          We take a wife, retire, do something. Then we wait for 9 months. And so, three or four times. The main desire and love. Both to children and to the wife.

          The main thing is to cut down electricity more often laughing In our military camp, people often turned off the lights before, so there was nothing to do and if you want to, you had to raise the demographic level of a single town and the country as a whole. smile
      4. Neil
        Neil 29 November 2013 19: 16
        0
        Russia has 500 billion in the stash, and this is 200000 apartments (a large city with a population of 600000)
        I think all the same, not 200 apartments, but much more = about 000-5 million apartments at a price of $ 6
      5. QWERTY
        QWERTY 29 November 2013 19: 54
        +4
        Yes, no one will do anything. Recently I was looking for a job, so out of 8 organizations where I was interviewed, there is not a single one with a white salary. Everywhere there are gray schemes. In one office there is a working day from 8 to 19 In the other - six days. In 3 and 4 - the first month they do not formalize work at all, they say "what if we do not arrange for each other, why should you dirty your labor", while the work contract is also refused. That is, on the Labor Code of the Russian Federation, no one cares deeply. In the old office, where before This worked - restructuring. Closed 9 branches out of 12, although the branches are 50 years old. Although in the Soviet Union they did not even take to the army from it, there was a reservation, i.e. the organization was of strategic importance. The last salary for September was given in November. The payment upon dismissal has not been given until now (more than a week has passed), although everything has been calculated in white. They brought a complaint to the prosecutor's office and the Labor Inspectorate. The prosecutor’s office said that you were lucky that the complaint is collective, otherwise they would not have taken (!), to T. insp. They didn't take it at all - we don't take it in paper form (!), send it by mail or on soap (!) it is worth the tax authorities' interest - how does half of St. Petersburg receive 10 thousand a month and live somehow? What is it worth creating a body that protects the interests of citizens? Like - called - wrote a complaint - immediately sorted it out, punished, restored the status quo. they say bluntly - what will we do? A fine of 50 thousand, and that's all. Go to court. Why then this inspection? What does she do? Consideration of the complaint - A MONTH! The prosecutor's office says - not our topic, we will FORCE T.insp. to react, and that's all. That is, they can also lay down on this case and not react. The court - consideration of two months! The point is, in general, show off, why should we consider there for 2 months? That is, there are a bunch of murky state organizations that are engaged in creating the appearance of activity. There people get paid for this. And you mean guest workers. It's too early for their own people, and even more so for strangers. They are slaves, and everyone benefits from it.
      6. ramzes1776
        ramzes1776 30 November 2013 02: 41
        +4
        Quote: Canep
        This is noted 300 km from Moscow, and what is happening at 1000, 2000, 3000 km. If the men have work and confidence in the future, then the women will give birth.

        Born in the city of Penza 600 km from Moscow. Most of the able-bodied population of the region works in Moscow. Who is on duty and who rents housing. There is no work in the villages and is not expected, and in Penza the average salary is 15-20 thousand. Our Slavs themselves are like "gastras "They earn a penny in Moscow.
    2. Oskar
      Oskar 29 November 2013 07: 26
      +9
      Who will be involved in this reform? Putin? His friend Medvedev? Their friend Serdyukov? EdRo? Government (which, according to some politicians, is generally occupational)?
      1. Desert Fox
        Desert Fox 29 November 2013 09: 34
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        The saddest thing is that we, as the GREAT PEOPLE, the GREAT NATIONS, endure all this. In addition, we indulge ourselves and contribute. You will turn around on the backside, you don’t have to look far. Take as an example our ancestors, whose descendants we are. We forget about this great past of our country, about the exploits of our grandfathers, which they accomplished during our better life. In addition, they themselves wanted and sought to live. Yes, even as sought.
        These were our fathers and grandfathers. They were persecuted, tortured, destroyed, but they still did business, lived on aspirations and goals no matter what. Pressure, repression, poverty, meanness of worthless officials could not stop their dreams and desires! DESIRE TO LIVE. But most importantly, they had these dreams and desires. Where did they go with us?
        Why can't we like them? Why do many of us cry that we lack this, this, the fifth and the tenth. They scold power.
        What prevents us from living? Let us bite our teeth the same way as our relatives, we will gather our will into a fist and prove to everyone and everything that the RUSSIAN SPIRIT DOES NOT BREAK!
        It’s hard for me to understand what has changed.
        In those difficult conditions, our ancestors practically on their knees and out of nothing created a blessing, launched satellites, developed medicine, energy and other areas of progress. Often they were ahead of the rest. And now? WHY WE CAN'T NOW?

        Why are we groaning that we are not living well? Yes, if you compare how our grandfathers lived, yes we are in chocolate !!! THAN WE ARE WORSE BETTER? Let's live, LET'S WANT TO LIVE !!!

        Let's understand that there are many of us. That there are over 85% of Russians in Russia. Therefore, the definition of "Russia is a multinational country" is incorrect. Even by the standards of the notorious European Union, which is so fashionable to refer to, the country is called MONO-ethnic if 60% of people are of the same nationality. And someone wants it or not, but
        we are Russians, most.
        Yes - in the process of centuries-old history, the Russian people colonized many lands that are now part of our state. But we have never oppressed either the faith or the customs of the conquered tribes. Today, any manifestation of the national self-consciousness of the Russian people is called by some official authorities only the word "fascism" or "xenophobia". And this is where? Here in Russia. Is that so? And let's think about it, who invented this term, who divided people into races and preached the superiority of one race over another? It turns out that the civilized Germans in Germany did this. And they burned the Slavs as "inferior material".
        Throughout the entire territory of modern Russia, Russian people spread not only their language, but also their culture. Formerly wild peoples have received from us both their writing and alphabet. And in matters of faith, Orthodox Christians have always been tolerant of Muslims and other beliefs. Russian people did not burn mosques, our pilots even refused to hit the minoret, even knowing that a sniper was in it.

        Do the Russian people want their superiority over other nations? We just want our rights not to be violated by the millions of migrants who are illegally in Russia, so that they do not lower the price of our labor, so that they do not commit crimes, that they do not bring drugs to us, so that they do not impose on us alien culture and customs. When they say Russia is a "family of peoples", what does it mean? The family speaks the same language and lives according to the same customs. Therefore, those people of different nationalities who speak the same language with us, think like us, and belong to Russian culture will always be in the same family with us.

        Let's remember that we are RUSSIAN !!! WE ARE ONE PEOPLE !!! LET TOGETHER WE BE WELCOME OF OUR ANCESTORS AND WE WILL PROVE THAT THEREFORE WERE WELCOME IN THE MEMORY OF YOUR PARENTS !!! LET'S FINISH TO MOUNT THAT WE ARE ABOUT US, THAT WE HAVE BAD POWER, AND LIFE THE COUNTRY TOGETHER TOGETHER !!! LET'S EXPORT THE RUSSIAN SPIRIT AND THE IMAGE OF OUR STRONG AND ONE NATION !!!

        RUSSIAN HELP TO RUSSIAN !!!
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 29 November 2013 10: 38
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          Quote: Desert Fox
          It’s hard for me to understand what has changed.

          And what is called the MORAL SPIRIT has changed! Previously, God's chosen people were not allowed to go to the media. Therefore, healthy outlooks on life and attitude to it were formed. Now the box is broadcasting about the FOAM of society, and not about the SALT of the earth. A simple hard worker gives the impression that this is LIFE, and nobody needs it and the state has abandoned it. Talk about the people, not about POPPS, BANKS, and other different bohemian, maybe then interest in life will appear.
          1. Arberes
            Arberes 29 November 2013 11: 48
            +5
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            A simple hard worker gives the impression that this is LIFE, and nobody needs it and the state has abandoned it. Talk about the people, not about POPPS, BANKS, and other different bohemian, maybe then interest in life will appear.

            I absolutely agree with you, dear Boa kaa drinks
            This is me now, as a simple hard worker declare.
    3. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 29 November 2013 07: 48
      +7
      Many talented people leave today. Russians. They are unlikely to return. And instead of them come black.
      Those who leave are tired of poverty and lack of rights.
      1. 31231
        31231 29 November 2013 09: 08
        +7
        Maybe those who leave Russia do not go from poverty, but just want a richer and calmer life ?! Or do we have different concepts of poverty with you ?! Personally, I have not seen more than one truly poor beggar who fell over a hill.
        1. Prometey
          Prometey 29 November 2013 09: 57
          +6
          Quote: 31231
          Is it possible those who leave Russia do not go from poverty, but simply want a richer and calmer life ?!

          And, for example, I want to live in a country in which laws rule, and not thieves and crooks, to whom everything is accessible. Russia is not a country of laws and order. The existing legal chaos is one of the reasons due to which there is a migration decline in the population.
          1. alone
            alone 29 November 2013 18: 54
            +3
            Quote: Prometey
            And, for example, I want to live in a country in which laws rule, and not thieves and crooks, to whom everything is accessible.


            Dear Sergey, can you show me a man who would not want in a country where there are no thieves and crooks, in which everything is accessible and the country is ruled by laws? If there are, then these people are either suppressed or crooks and thieves.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 29 November 2013 20: 17
              0
              Quote: lonely
              Dear Sergey, can you show me a man who would not want in a country where there are no thieves and crooks, in which everything is accessible and the country is ruled by laws? If there are, then these people are either suppressed or crooks and thieves.

              Yeah, where to take such a country, it's fantastic.
          2. 31231
            31231 29 November 2013 19: 49
            +1
            Want is not harmful. Harmful not wanting.


            Russia is not a country of laws and order. The existing legal chaos is one of the reasons due to which there is a migration decline in the population.

            Human rights activists have similar speeches.
            Tell me in more detail where you were deprived of the law of the Russian Federation?
        2. Desert Fox
          Desert Fox 29 November 2013 15: 42
          +3
          No, they are looking for an easy life. Immediately everyone offends.

          But to try to stay and try to change everything at least a little, no matter what the courage is not enough. So they’re running.

          I already posted above that our grandfathers lived under much worse conditions, but continued to work and work in the homeland and for its benefit.
          1. anomalocaris
            anomalocaris 29 November 2013 16: 48
            +3
            Yeah. We have a fucking easy life ...
            How to change? The longer I live, the more often I remember recipes for the production of trinitrophenol, dinitronaphthalene, octodiethyl, etc. .. And I remember the drawings of DP by heart.
            The conditions were worse, but there was HOPE. But she, even though this t in a r and tenacious, was killed. Personally, I no longer hope for anything, a long time ago I don’t believe in anything, and my love extends only to relatives.
            So your favors are nonsense.
          2. Prometey
            Prometey 29 November 2013 18: 34
            0
            Quote: Desert Fox
            our grandfathers lived under much worse conditions, but continued to work and work in the homeland and for its good.

            Where is this good? Feeder pensions from the state for whose good they worked?
      2. Mr. Gambu4aS
        Mr. Gambu4aS 29 November 2013 09: 48
        +7
        By the way, about the fact that the Russian elite (by the elite, I mean really smart and educated people, not thieves) goes abroad silently everywhere, everyone says that migrants come, give birth to little Russians, but forget that those who can blame Russia do it! I have already had a lot of acquaintances and many think about it, and they are all quite smart and educated people, they are replaced by apricots that cannot connect two words in Russian, our state is dumb (meaning the average level of knowledge and education) , and it turns out from two terms (smart there, stupid here). And they leave, as the kibalchish correctly noted, mainly not only because of the low standard of living, but mainly because they are tired of living among the beast, in a society in which thieves thrive, in which everyone understands from an early age that the task of life is steal more and dump, no one wants to raise their children !!!
        1. Prometey
          Prometey 29 November 2013 11: 03
          +4
          Mr. Gambu4aS
          All right said. The country is increasingly becoming a haven of cattle. It is becoming more and more decent for decent people to survive (namely, to survive, rather than live).
        2. Desert Fox
          Desert Fox 29 November 2013 15: 47
          +1
          As I wrote above, why not try to change this?
          Our future depends on us and only on us. Everything is in our hands.
          How everyone wants an easy life!

          PS And, in general:
          “Are they coming back already?” asked the Little Prince.
          “No, it's different,” said the switchman. - This is the oncoming one.
          “Were they not where they were before?”
          - It's good where we are not - said the switchman.
          1. anomalocaris
            anomalocaris 29 November 2013 16: 55
            +1
            Where and what charge have you already calculated?
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 29 November 2013 17: 20
              0
              Quote: anomalocaris
              Where and what charge have you already calculated?

              Hmmm ... Your jokes can be regarded as calls for extremism. bully
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              2. anomalocaris
                anomalocaris 29 November 2013 17: 31
                +1
                What the fuck are the jokes?
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    4. dmb
      dmb 29 November 2013 12: 50
      +1
      A brilliant offer. It would be even more brilliant if the civilian commentator suggested: what should be the result of these reforms, how he intends to achieve this result, and what he intends to do with those who do not want reforms and will resist them in every possible way. In addition to the oligarchs mentioned by him, he can safely refer to this category the entire top of the current government, as well as the gentlemen who are actively licking this power. There are not so few of them, even on this one site, and all over the country ...
      1. strannik595
        strannik595 29 November 2013 16: 47
        +2
        everyone needs to start with their own family, do something for Russia, fulfill the Ten Commandments, (do not kill each other on roads of 30 thousand a year, if only for a start, if we don’t want to give birth), respect, love and help another Russian to a person who has even fallen on the path of life ......... then the uplift of the spirit will follow, followed by the rise of material well-being
    5. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 29 November 2013 17: 02
      -1
      Quote: Civil
      Yes, we don’t need revolutions, we need to reform what we have, we need large-scale adjustments, but not to the detriment of the population, and as usual, they will knock down the oligarchs, nationalize the means of production, and then the new elite will again be formed from the next crooks, it’s necessary to build such a system of society when crooks and thieves were in the authorities only among the camp roosters.

      I agree with the comment, but not with the article. The article is a minus, although I have not read it to the end. Many calculations are dated 2006. There, according to forecasts, we should already have about 130 million today.
      I will express my opinion. I do not look at the calculations of eXperts, but at the street and my neighbors. I do not see any degeneration. For a long time there is no universal drunkenness. The generation thought better of it. Some guys with whom they grew up already at the cemetery, some are sitting. But the main part has created families and everyone has children. Drinking among friends there is not a single smoking unit. So forecasts of experts are not justified, and therefore build a missile defense.
      As for the general trends, Russia looks better than ALL European countries and the USA. The birth rate in the Russian Federation is higher, moreover, in all regions and among all nationalities it is approximately the same. A serious percentage change in the composition of the population will not occur. In the same Europe or the USA, population growth is only due to migration. Moreover, the migration of completely different ethnic groups. In the US, the proportion of Latinos is already approaching 30 percent and is growing rapidly. The same is in England and France, but there are mainly Arabs and Afrinakis.
      And as always I will say that you should not chase other people's opinions. Each of us has our own destiny in our hands. Build your family and your homeland and everything will be fine with us. While the Russians are predicted to die out, the sun is already going out.
    6. Ross
      Ross 29 November 2013 17: 38
      0
      Soon the moment will come when the authorities simply cannot control the entire territory of Russia. Then the scenarios of separation of the Caucasus, the Far East, Siberia and the Urals can become a cruel fact. But nothing can be done. Such a threat is real. Hunters get Russian territory is more than enough. They speak openly about plans to divide Russia without embarrassment. In particular, in the USA there are circles that want to make the American Russian Far East, the Russian North and Siberia. The main competitor of the United States in the fight for these territories is China. Japan also wants to get your piece.

      The Western Elite is preparing to move to Russia, and the Russian "natives" are hindering it greatly.
    7. pawel1961
      pawel1961 29 November 2013 23: 25
      0
      and that it’s so bad that something and return that is to pick up from the aligarchs.
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 29 November 2013 06: 53
    +7
    Soon there will come a moment when the authorities simply cannot control the entire territory of Russia.


    This is a very real threat, and in KREMLIN it is still poorly understood.
    Maternal capital is not a solution to a problem but just an auxiliary tool.
    We need systematic and large-scale advertising and state assistance to families for the birth of more than two children, so far I see one talking room at the highest level.
    1. sergey32
      sergey32 29 November 2013 08: 25
      12
      I spoke and I say that people should give birth
      prohibit abortion other than medical evidence
      reduction of multi-story housing construction, emphasis on the construction of individual houses with free allocation of land to all families with children. In little ones, no one will give birth
      prohibit by law all requisitions in schools, the maximum allowed gifts for teachers flowers and crafts of children
      introduce how in the USSR a tax on childlessness, but not from 18, but from 25 years, all the funds raised to help large families
      part of children's pension contributions to pay their parents to pensioners as an addition to the pension. The more children you have and the more they earn, the greater the pension. It was difficult in youth, it will become easier in old age.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 29 November 2013 10: 52
        +5
        Quote: sergey32
        I spoke and I say that people should give birth

        Clever, very good, constructive koment! I would just like to add: young people give birth, not 60-year-olds (although there are unique ones like Tabakov, who is not a problem for years!). But in order to start a family and have children (although many are born out of wedlock), a young family NEEDS OWN HOUSING! I propose: upon marriage, the state gives a long-term loan to the family at 10% or for renting an apartment, house, room for ownership. Who, what can lift. Then the whole domestic sphere will come to life. T.K. housing needs to be improved, people will hold on to work, carry a penny to the house, and not drink out of hopelessness that there is nowhere to live, mother-in-law zae..la, and so on. When there is a roof over your head, you can give birth to children, they will not be homeless. And plant jailers with elite housing, or set the rate of profit 10 - 15%, and not 300, as it is now. IMHO.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 29 November 2013 14: 09
          0
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          Clever, very good, constructive koment! I would just like to add: gives birth to youth, not 60-year-olds

          Sixty-year-olds did not give birth thirty years ago, it all did not start today.
        2. anomalocaris
          anomalocaris 29 November 2013 17: 10
          +2
          Sergey32, Boa KAA
          You two are very naive ... well, I don’t even know how to call.
          Prohibit abortion (here I agree), and unload condoms only with a fork! And then what?
          In small odnuha now no one will give birth, but I can bet very much about personal houses. To begin with, a country house with a plot is worth at least three rubles. That is, from about 2,5 lemons. Plus, you need a car, at least another 400, this is without fuel and maintenance. Plus, the absence in the walking distance of normal hospitals, kindergartens, shops ...
          What the fuck, a young family can lay out from 3 million, that would live more or less decently?
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 30 November 2013 02: 59
            +2
            Quote: anomalocaris
            You two are very naive ... well, I don’t even know how to call

            In 1's, calling names is not good! Didn't you learn this in your childhood?
            Secondly, not "two", but "both", so at least it will be lexically correct.
            Thirdly, everyone on our site expresses his opinion, and it does not have to coincide with your "correct" judgment on the problem under discussion.
            And then, criticizing, propose a way out, a program for overcoming the current situation with demography. And only the lazy one doesn’t talk about what is bad with public transport, roads, utilities, etc.
      2. poquello
        poquello 29 November 2013 19: 16
        +1
        Quote: sergey32
        I spoke and I say that people should give birth
        prohibit abortion other than medical evidence ......
        introduce how in the USSR a tax on childlessness, but not from 18, but from 25 years, all the funds raised to help large families
        ....

        You can also oblige each woman to give birth to 15 children, and childless to put in labor camps to work on fulfilling the plan for children. Stigmatized stigmatized. And why the childless tax with 25? What is not from childbearing age?
        1. sergey32
          sergey32 29 November 2013 19: 31
          +3
          I answer immediately to two.
          In my naivety, I gave birth to four and built a house.
          A prefabricated house can be bought for a million and assembled together with a friend or brother in a month, it would be a desire and a piece of land. How can I build in the traditional way, if you do it yourself you save half the money. True, after work you go to your construction site, but you don’t throw ... on the sofa. My grandfather said, drive a stake into the ground and begin to build up around. After the war, my grandfathers built houses under difficult conditions, and my great-grandmother during the war, when the hut burned down in her own hands, she cut down the house, the men were at the front.
          And give you a house for three lyamas, give a car and so that the store is nearby, but the Hari will not crack?
          The tax on childlessness from 18 years is not logical, because a person must be given time to create a family. Do not want to create your own, you want to live easily, help those who honestly fulfill their duty to the Motherland.
          1. poquello
            poquello 29 November 2013 20: 09
            +1
            Happy for you. So forbid your relatives from abortion, take away from their sons, grandchildren who did not increase the population by 25, part of the income in favor of fulfilling the plan. Why did you decide that I should have worked for you and that Russian women are state property? So you can slowly reach serfdom.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 29 November 2013 20: 26
              0
              Quote: poquello
              Why did you decide that I should have worked for you and that Russian women are state property? So you can slowly reach serfdom.

              I will explain popularly the essence of the pension system - to take resources from young people and transfer them to pensioners. So why on earth should my children support you, who have no children? This is serfdom! So shut up your two-faced mouth and go take a wife, do your duty to the nation. My opinion is that there are no children - there is no pension, and the pension is proportional to the number of children.
              1. poquello
                poquello 29 November 2013 20: 40
                +1
                Quote: Setrac
                Quote: poquello
                Why did you decide that I should have worked for you and that Russian women are state property? So you can slowly reach serfdom.

                I will explain popularly the essence of the pension system - to take resources from young people and transfer them to pensioners. So why on earth should my children support you, who have no children? This is serfdom! So shut up your two-faced mouth and go take a wife, do your duty to the nation. My opinion is that there are no children - there is no pension, and the pension is proportional to the number of children.

                Close your hamlo and do not draw conclusions that you are not able to draw. I pay taxes and have a child. The explainer of the pension system, taxes in the PF are taken from my earnings and if the authorities created the Trishkin Kaftan this is their problem, less need to be stolen.
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 29 November 2013 22: 27
                  +2
                  Quote: poquello
                  I pay taxes and have a child.

                  I pay taxes and have two, the third in the project. When we grow old my children will support you, in order to receive the current pension you must give birth (with your wife for two in retirement) three children, growing one you earned a third (do not stray from the account) of the pension, the remaining two-thirds will be taken from the children of other pensioners, mine, for example, that is, I will not receive the pension due to me because of you. While you are chilling portraying fatherhood with one child, you spend your resources on yourself beloved, others work and bring up several. And since my children will also support you in old age, I have the right to call you the most bad words, and you should be grateful to me for that. And who is after this hamloe.
                  But in fact, people like you are traitors to the nation, because of you and your kind, the nation will decline and disappear, the country does not need such people.
                  Postscript: Pray that the pensions are not canceled, in old age you will die in the ditch for the toilet.
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 30 November 2013 00: 07
                    +1
                    Honey, I earned my pension a long time ago and gave it in the form of tax, and I will receive it. Hamlo you because I didn’t drink from one glass to poke me. The right of someone to call it is not to me at all. A person who insults parents with one child in the family, IMHO, has a clear misfortune with his head. In view of the latter factor, I see no reason in continuing the correspondence.
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 30 November 2013 00: 22
                      0
                      Quote: poquello
                      Honey, I earned my pension a long time ago and gave it in the form of tax, and I will receive it.

                      Learn literacy to your son, the pension that you earned was spent on your parents, these funds are not there, but you will receive what your children will pay to the pension fund, excuse your ONE child.
                      Quote: poquello
                      Hamlo you because I didn’t drink from one glass to poke me.

                      And you won’t drink, I wouldn’t sit down with you for one kilometer.
                      Quote: poquello
                      A person who insults parents with one child in the family, IMHO, has a clear misfortune with his head.

                      You are sick? I mean you can’t have children? Or is your wife barren? Why only one child? Most likely you are a selfish egoist who has spent his life on himself a loved one, I despise you.
                2. Setrac
                  Setrac 29 November 2013 23: 10
                  0
                  Quote: poquello
                  taxes in the pf are taken from my earnings and if the authorities created a trishkin kaftan this is their problem, less need to be stolen.

                  It doesn’t matter for you where the PF funds are coming from now, it will be important for you where the PF funds will be taken when you retire. And the PF will take these funds from your son (daughter), and do not forget that you will still need to support the parents of your son’s wife, because they are as cunning as you are, and they will also have ONE child. And why on earth should my children contain such a crowd of parasites?
            2. sergey32
              sergey32 29 November 2013 20: 35
              0
              Abortion is the killing of an innocent child. God forbid you to work for me, as something yourself. Only in other articles such as you whine that migrants around do so at least something for themselves and the country, at least for children. Women are not the property of the state, let them live for themselves who need it, but pay taxes. I would advise them to take care of the places in the nursing homes in advance, in 30-40 there will be a lot of tension with this, because you will scream that society should provide you with old age.
              1. poquello
                poquello 29 November 2013 20: 50
                +1
                Quote: sergey32
                Abortion is the killing of an innocent child. God forbid you to work for me, as something yourself. Only in other articles such as you whine that migrants around .....

                Migrants in Russia are not from the fact that there are few people and no one to work, but from the greed of businessmen and officials.
                Eggs are future chicks.
          2. anomalocaris
            anomalocaris 30 November 2013 05: 10
            -1
            I don’t need anything, I have everything I need.
            Uh-huh. Go drive in the stake. Then hesitate to prove that it is not a camel. By the way, I didn't say anything about "giving". And honestly, it won't work. In our town, the average salary is 22 rubles. The house itself with a plot will cost about 000, so calculate how much a young family needs to save up to buy a home. Credit is bondage for the rest of your life, and you also have to pay taxes, and you yourself have to live on something and support the child. I know you will now tell me that you need to work better, etc., but how? Honestly, it does not work out very well that they would pay normally, very serious qualifications are needed (for example, in my field I became a specialist only by the age of 1), and this requires time, place and teachers.
            I was born and raised in the USSR, so I owe nothing to modern Russia.
          3. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 30 November 2013 18: 32
            +1
            Quote: sergey32
            In my naivety, I gave birth to four and built a house.

            SEREZHA! You are a real man! I am proud of you! I have two children, maybe the military has 2 hands in which he carries suitcases, and his wife has only 2 hands in which she holds children at the next move to a new duty station. Personally, I changed 9 duty stations, so I could not afford more 2 children. But in general, every Ross should have at least 3 children so that our tribe does not die out! And I am ready to financially help those who perform this task.
            And rednecks - let them strangle themselves and no longer blather !!!
            1. anomalocaris
              anomalocaris 1 December 2013 12: 49
              -1
              Baby, I saw people like you at every train station. But try in current situations to educate a normal person. To make - there are no problems, namely to educate.
              1. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa 1 December 2013 19: 25
                +1
                Quote: anomalocaris
                Baby, I saw people like you at every train station.

                Kind! What kind of familiarity !? I have not even addressed to you, but apparently about the "goons" you correctly took into account.
                As for the railway stations, it is not entirely clear: whether you saw servicemen with households moving to a new duty station; either degraded people without a specific place of residence ... The latter do not belong to the latter, so trolling past the ticket office.
                As for the upbringing - it was correctly noticed, however, it is immediately felt by your peremptory, extremely incorrect statements addressed to absolutely strangers. ("However, you are a boor, sir" (c) A. I. Kuprin)
            2. anomalocaris
              anomalocaris 1 December 2013 12: 55
              0
              Have a desire to help?
              For God's sake, I will send you the soaps of a dozen of two families
    2. predator.3
      predator.3 29 November 2013 09: 38
      11
      Statistics is inexorable. If by 2035 half of families in Russia will not be 3-4-year-olds, then by the middle of the XXI century the “Russian question”, which Hitler’s Third Reich was trying to solve by force, could be solved “naturally”.


      Having many children in Russia is unprofitable, from the state support is zero!
      I have three children, though the eldest is already 20 years old (student), all social payments stopped as soon as he was 18 years old, although according to the law he should stop at 23 years old. the student, the promised land plot for private housing construction was not allocated under the same pretext, then there is not much loan from the banks — there are many dependents, etc. but all this is nonsense, the children are dressed and shod, to study well, they are even better off than their peers.
      1. poquello
        poquello 29 November 2013 19: 41
        +2
        Quote: predator.3


        Having many children in Russia is unprofitable, from the state support is zero!


        Exactly. This is one of two main problems, it’s not enough to have children and it’s not profitable for the state to strive to fully provide for the children of its citizens. What we have is zero, because the population wants it, but it is a pity for money.
        And the second problem - a person should be comfortable in his country. They do not seek good from good.
  3. Alez
    Alez 29 November 2013 07: 04
    24
    Problems are not solved by supporting families, I signed up for a second child in advance, somehow arranged in a kindergarten in another part of the city. The housing is expensive, the mortgage is 14,5%, in the kindergarten and school there are constant fees, clothes and food are expensive. I work on 2 jobs to feed my family. The second half already does not want to hear about the third. As I understand it, it is unprofitable for someone at the top to solve these problems and to drag time. Then people will refuse to give birth to one, and .... n our Russia without any wars.
    A propaganda on the telly, which show some bl ... her, about the normal and correct relationship of a single transmission. One Malakhov with his genetic examinations for paternity and a Horse with Borodina on TNT.
    1. Energet1k_
      Energet1k_ 29 November 2013 10: 21
      +3
      Quote: Alez
      Problems are not solved by supporting families, I signed up for a second child in advance, somehow arranged in a kindergarten in another part of the city. The housing is expensive, the mortgage is 14,5%, in the kindergarten and school there are constant fees, clothes and food are expensive. I work on 2 jobs to feed my family. The second half already does not want to hear about the third. As I understand it, it is unprofitable for someone at the top to solve these problems and to drag time. Then people will refuse to give birth to one, and .... n our Russia without any wars.
      A propaganda on the telly, which show some bl ... her, about the normal and correct relationship of a single transmission. One Malakhov with his genetic examinations for paternity and a Horse with Borodina on TNT.

      Plus! There are such obvious things that either the blind or the ignorant do not notice. Obviously, the authorities do not need the Russian population, our demographic situation is balancing somewhere between popular anger and the maximum profit of the "top". The battle is lost, they kill us, first of all, they killed morality, people associate themselves with a piece of meat and primitive reflexes, but the war still continues ..
  4. Mr. Truth
    Mr. Truth 29 November 2013 07: 04
    +1
    Damn post-humanists are pulling not only Russia into the grave.
  5. makarov
    makarov 29 November 2013 07: 09
    +6
    To solve the problem of demography without solving the SOCIAL problems of the population can be safely called UTOPIA. One cannot be realized without the other.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 29 November 2013 14: 13
      0
      Quote: makarov
      To solve the problem of demography without solving the SOCIAL problems of the population can be safely called UTOPIA. One cannot be realized without the other.

      Statistics have shown that they give birth more where there is no social system in developing countries. Social protection is the death of a nation. Deprive everyone of social protection and fertility will jump up, and let your children take care of you in your old age, and not the state.
      1. anomalocaris
        anomalocaris 29 November 2013 17: 14
        +1
        The mortality of those in power will jump.
        Baby
        Once upon a time
        They taught us to kill ...
      2. poquello
        poquello 29 November 2013 20: 29
        +1
        Quote: Setrac

        Statistics have shown that they give birth more where there is no social system in developing countries. Social protection is the death of a nation. Deprive everyone of social protection and fertility will jump up, and let your children take care of you in your old age, and not the state.

        The average temperature in the hospital is -37 degrees.
  6. cobalt
    cobalt 29 November 2013 07: 26
    +4
    As for the current statistics on population growth, it does not hurt to subtract virtual children born in the Caucasus only from pieces of paper from this growth. The facts of the mass issuance of birth documents for non-existent children by doctors for the sake of sucking maternity capital from the budget came to light. If this "bookkeeping" is thrown away, then we have probably as there was a decline in population, and so it goes.
  7. Ddhal
    Ddhal 29 November 2013 07: 34
    10
    The optimal solution for us now is Lukashenko as Prime Minister,
    for social policy for Russians in our state is genocidal, and everyone, except the existing government, understands this.
    1. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 29 November 2013 07: 40
      11
      And even for the post of the PRESIDENT!
      1. demonuga
        demonuga 29 November 2013 09: 36
        +2
        This is true, I would definitely support it.
    2. Encoder
      Encoder 29 November 2013 11: 17
      +1
      I am afraid that the authorities also understand this.
      1. anomalocaris
        anomalocaris 29 November 2013 17: 19
        +3
        Naturally, the GDP, that iPhone, is very clearly understood - the first elections in the ONE state of Russia + Belarus and they saw them in sunny Magadan for about 15 years.
  8. Candy wrapper
    Candy wrapper 29 November 2013 07: 48
    +5
    The birth rate has increased: from 10,4 in 2006 to 13,3 in 2012.

    What kind of birth rate is this?
    Here: "the birth rate in Russia has grown from 1,3 children per family in 2006 to 1,7 in 2012." (http://www.rg.ru/2013/01/22/deti.html). Those. natural reproduction of the population in the Russian Federation as it was not, and not. In addition, we are expecting an even sharper reduction in the population than now, because now the old generation will begin to leave from childhood accustomed to a healthy lifestyle, and almost after it the younger generations who have undergone total alcoholization will "retire".
    1. Oskar
      Oskar 29 November 2013 08: 21
      +9
      But comrades from the South will come (with families) and everything will be in order with the coefficient, and Putin will have something to report in 2018.
      1. poquello
        poquello 29 November 2013 21: 07
        +1
        Quote: Oskar
        But comrades from the South will come (with families) and everything will be in order with the coefficient, and Putin will have something to report in 2018.

        Not "on the other hand," they are already traveling with might and main, with families, with a huge number of their children, typical of their customs. And they pay, pay for various permits to officials, and officials like it.
  9. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 29 November 2013 07: 50
    +7
    It's like that.
    BUT!
    Who will implement all this? Chubais, Medvedev, Dvorkovich, Serdyukov, Navalny, etc.? And others, something is not visible ... All around are "effective managers".
    We need Stalinist purges; we need an oprichnina.
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 29 November 2013 08: 35
      -7
      Quote: Peaceful military
      We need Stalinist purges; we need an oprichnina.

      Type of cut a couple of million for the benefit of demography?
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 29 November 2013 08: 43
        +4
        Quote: Nayhas
        Quote: Peaceful military
        We need Stalinist purges; we need an oprichnina.

        Type of cut a couple of million for the benefit of demography?

        And what, under J.V. Stalin, or Ivan the Terrible, they cut out "a couple of million"?
        Oh yes, yes, they cut out several billion ... fool
        1. Nayhas
          Nayhas 29 November 2013 09: 43
          -2
          Quote: Peaceful military
          Oh yes, yes, they cut out several billion ...

          Well, of course, you can laugh now, this is such a fun topic ...
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 29 November 2013 09: 29
        +3
        Quote: Nayhas
        cut a couple of millions for the benefit of demography

        Pinochet shot only a few thousand, and raised the country in a few years. He is branded only in the West, in Chile he is remembered with gratitude.
        1. Nayhas
          Nayhas 29 November 2013 09: 40
          +1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          in Chile they recall him with gratitude.

          He was generally tried.
          “In August 2000, the Chilean Supreme Court stripped Pinochet of his senatorial immunity, after which he was prosecuted on more than 100 counts of murder, kidnapping and torture of people. However, in July 2001, the court found Pinochet suffering from senility. dementia, which was the reason for the exemption from prosecution. "
          Pinochet transferred power to the democrats, and did not leave the country a bald blockhead.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 29 November 2013 10: 08
            -1
            Quote: Nayhas
            He was generally tried.

            The court was under great pressure from the "international community"
      3. skullcap
        skullcap 29 November 2013 14: 02
        +4
        Quote: Nayhas
        Type of cut a couple of million for the benefit of demography?

        So much is not needed.
        Won the Chinese rolled out on Tiananming Square just a few dozen geeks and did not just save the country and the people. And the country and the people are flourishing.
        And ours, frustrated with demagogy about humanism, decided to save the lives of enraged geeks. As a result, the country suffered losses to 45 of millions of citizens, the vast majority of whom were killed by their parents before birth.
        So there is absolutely no laughing matter. As one of the wise men of the East said: "To spare the evil is to oppress the good." For everything in this life you have to pay. And for false humanism too.
        1. Prometey
          Prometey 29 November 2013 18: 36
          -1
          Quote: kosopuz
          Won the Chinese rolled out on Tiananming Square just a few dozen geeks and did not just save the country and the people. And the country and the people are flourishing.

          Or maybe they are flourishing thanks to these dozens of "geeks" as you called?
        2. predator.3
          predator.3 29 November 2013 20: 16
          +2
          Quote: kosopuz
          Won the Chinese rolled out on Tiananming Square just a few dozen geeks and did not just save the country and the people. And the country and the people are flourishing.


          In jurisprudence there is the term "extreme necessity", so Tianyangming just falls under this, and in August 1991 Muscovites let the whole Union down!
  10. rereture
    rereture 29 November 2013 07: 57
    +1
    Why two decades? If the demographic crisis began in the 1980s?
    1. Candy wrapper
      Candy wrapper 29 November 2013 08: 08
      +2
      The demographic crisis began with the invention of the loom and the resulting transition of society from the feudal to the capitalist formation.
      1. Oskar
        Oskar 29 November 2013 08: 23
        0
        This is when the sheep of the English peasant "ate"?
      2. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 29 November 2013 08: 30
        0
        Quote: Fantik
        The demographic crisis began with the invention of the loom and the resulting transition of society from the feudal to the capitalist formation.

        But did all this happen in Russia, in the last century?
      3. Normal
        Normal 29 November 2013 10: 22
        0
        Quote: Fantik
        The demographic crisis began with the invention of the loom and the resulting transition of society from the feudal to the capitalist formation.


        There's something about it...
        Only I would add; universal electrification, gender equality, urbanization. And also the promotion of higher education and life "for yourself"
        1. Candy wrapper
          Candy wrapper 29 November 2013 19: 08
          +1
          The appearance of a loom and similar means of production made possible the appearance of manufactories, factories, factories - industrialization, the crowding out of artisans and their replacement by factory workers - the proletariat, and the appearance of capitalists. Artisans lived and worked as families. The father works, he teaches sons, the spouse and daughters are immediately busy with the household. The whole family together from dawn to dawn. In the village, peasants do the same. Now, under capitalism (I’m not talking about communism), the proletarians (former artisans, shopkeepers and peasants) cannot live and work with the whole family together. Husband in the morning for his work, wife for his own, children to someone else’s aunt in kindergarten and the family meets only in the evening (at best), such conditions do not contribute to strengthening the family, on the contrary, weaken it. Family is the foundation of our morality. The destruction of the institution of the family leads to the destruction of morality and, as a consequence, the corruption of society: the sexual revolution, the growth of sexual perversions, the cult of consumption, etc. Homosexuals triumph, society breaks down and dies. Capitalism demanded a lot of proletarians (serfdom was canceled on this wave in Russia), urbanization acquired an epic scale and many people came to life in unfavorable conditions for the family.
          In order to change the demographic situation for the better, it is necessary to seriously redraw the lifestyle of modern society, organize production according to the family principle, and much more, but it is impossible to carry out such work under capitalism.
          1. Normal
            Normal 29 November 2013 21: 26
            0
            Quote: Fantik
            The appearance of ....
            ..... impossible.

            That's right, dear! A plus.
  11. S-200
    S-200 29 November 2013 08: 04
    +7
    Quote: makarov
    To solve the problem of demography without solving the SOCIAL problems of the population can be safely called UTOPIA. One cannot be realized without the other.

    hi I absolutely agree with you! And this is the URGENT truth ...
    A transition is necessary from the oligarchic model of the country's economy to a socially-oriented public-private ...
    In a world where almost any kind of resources (at the current level of development of science and technology) is limited, an oligarchic model of the economy, fused with a corrupt government, is an impermissible wild "luxury" for society! How can we not recall here the National Socialist model of the economy of Hitlerite Germany ... This pre-war economic model was viable and extremely attractive for the Germans!
  12. Diviz
    Diviz 29 November 2013 08: 37
    0
    Our Russia - Moscow St. Petersburg Sochi border gas pipeline. If earlier, under Stalin, political prisoners rebuilt it, in the Soviet it was rebuilt, sort of like Soviet people, but now visitors and even projects with Western firms. Which conclusion is less risk of losing the loot to those people who do it.
  13. killganoff
    killganoff 29 November 2013 08: 55
    +2
    One thing is interesting ... How can people continue to believe in power, while realizing the tragedy of what is happening? When will the Fatherland wake up?! ...
    1. anomalocaris
      anomalocaris 29 November 2013 17: 29
      0
      And who believes her? You know, there are no idiots among my pals and friends. An alarming backpack has long been ready, so if something, then the taiga is big, but I can shoot ...
  14. Nayhas
    Nayhas 29 November 2013 09: 06
    -1
    Author of another populist and gorlopan.
    - Strengthening the Islamic factor. The network structures of the “Islamic project” dramatically strengthened their positions in the vastness of Russia,

    And where in the open did they strengthen them? In the Caucasus with Islamism for 20 years without any special changes, what we are presented in the news of their Tatarstan is nothing more than a provocation of "interested parties". Where in the vastness of Russia does the so-called. "Islamic project"? In Khanty? Krasnoyarsk? Chelyabinsk? Irkutsk? Yaroslavl? Khabarovsk?
    - the presence of a powerful migration community and new citizens of the Russian Federation, who, to a large extent, as was the case in the Russian Empire and the USSR, do not assimilate in the Russian environment, but create large families, clans and ghettos, which leads to an increase in the possibility of realizing the “Syrian” (“ Yugoslav ") script in the medium or long term.

    Loud and completely empty words. There are no more than 10 million migrants in Russia (in all), Central Asia cannot "offer" more, because it itself is not numerous. Most of the 10 million we only work and regularly go home to their families. There are no more than 2 million left to live, which is for 142 million. Russia is about nothing at all. Where did the opinion come from that the inhabitants of Central Asia are eager to live here?
    The owners of the Western project were able to provoke the revolutions of 1905-1907 and 1917, the Russo-Japanese war of 1904-1905, the civil war, the First and Second World Wars

    Another conspiracy theory maniac, as it is in Russian, "everyone is to blame for everything, but not me."
    Russia was pitted with its natural allies: in the west, Germany, and in the east - Japan

    That bastards then, poisoned the Nazis with the Communists, and in fact there was so much in common with them, such a friendship was ...
    They speak openly about plans for the division of Russia, without hesitation. In the USA, in particular, there are circles who want to make the Russian Far East, Russian North and Siberia American.

    In this place, the indignant mind finally boiled, but for some reason the call "to mortal combat" was not followed. When you say "there are circles in the USA," you need to raise your index finger to the top and swing it so that everyone understands that it is circles, not squares or triangles. And how are these very "circles" going to make the Russian Far East, Russian North and Siberia American? Join your almost deserted Alaska? To exile Afro and Latino to hard labor in Siberia?
    The only way out is Russian socialism, the building of the Russian Union (USSR-2), taking into account the positive and negative experience of the Russian and Red Empires.

    Well, on this resource such phrases are held in high esteem. Recently, he reminds me of a collection of pique vests in the city of Chernomorsk.
    1. skullcap
      skullcap 29 November 2013 14: 20
      +3
      Quote: Nayhas
      Author of another populist and gorlopan.

      The author is a very intelligent and decent person.
      Quote: Nayhas
      Where in the vastness of Russia does the so-called. "Islamic project"?

      Almost everywhere. The other day in Moscow, 15 terrorists were detained. Earlier in Volgograd, a crazy survivor blew up a bus. Earlier, even in Novosibirsk, a group of Wahhabis was discovered and disbanded. The weapon from which they conducted training shooting was withdrawn. The group was well organized, had a clear hierarchy, led the teaching not only of theory, but also engaged in martial arts. And to remind about almost daily reports from the Caucasus about counter-terrorist operations is somehow inconvenient.
      Here the question is already personally to you: on what planet do you live?
      Quote: Nayhas
      Loud and completely empty words. Where did the opinion come from that the inhabitants of Central Asia are eager to live here?


      Quote: Nayhas
      Another conspiracy theory maniac, as it is in Russian, "everyone is to blame for everything, but not me."

      Have you not heard anything about how American and British bankers (and therefore their elite) financed Japan for war with Russia, and both revolutions?
      And they firmly believe that all revolutions, like raider takeovers of enterprises, occur without any preliminary plan, financing, etc.?
      At this point, it’s time for you to ask yourself the question: will it not be checked?
      Quote: Nayhas
      That bastards then, poisoned the Nazis with the Communists, and in fact there was so much in common with them, such a friendship was ...

      Stalin at one time said that the Hitlers come and go, but the people remain.
      If you take a closer look, you will see that not only the Communists fought against the Nazis, but also the peoples: European against the Russians.
    2. skullcap
      skullcap 29 November 2013 14: 23
      +1
      Read more.
      Quote: Nayhas
      And how are these very "circles" going to make the Russian Far East, Russian North and Siberia American? Join your almost deserted Alaska? To exile Afro and Latino to hard labor in Siberia?

      Populate these territories with slaves.
      It can be afro with latino. But someone's (not copied - to blame) comment on the topic.
      “The world government, the brain center of the West, has been waging war against Russia for a century.
      The goal of this war is the conquest and destruction of the Russian people, which prevents them from finally turning modern human civilization into a slave-owning one at the new stage of the historical process.
      Now there is no need to chain the slave into shackles and obviously restrict his freedom. It is enough to confuse and distort the value orientations towards the spiritless - materialistic consciousness, using modern technologies to influence the mind and subconsciousness of a person to believe in false values ​​and defend them as their own, true, indisputable. This should be followed by the introduction of electronic money, passports, cards into everyday life, and later the implantation of chips into the human body. In this way, new slaveholders seek to create a society of managed and totally controlled slaves. ”
      Quote: Nayhas
      Well on this resource such phrases are in high esteem. Recently, he reminds me of a collection of pique vests of the city of Chernomorsk.

      I do not like it here: free will.
      Return to your circle to the real giants of thought: Navalny, Kasparov, Novodvorskaya, and so on.
    3. Field
      Field 29 November 2013 17: 01
      +1
      Quote: Nayhas
      Loud and completely empty words. There are no more than 10 million migrants in Russia (in all), Central Asia cannot "offer" more, because it itself is not numerous. Most of the 10 million we only work and regularly go home to their families. There are no more than 2 million left to live, which is for 142 million. Russia is about nothing at all. Where did the opinion come from that the inhabitants of Central Asia are eager to live here?


      Yes, in turns to the migration centers, schools, hospitals, maternity hospitals, the situation in the markets, on the streets with broods walk.
      Arrived by himself - dragged aul (or village)
    4. poquello
      poquello 29 November 2013 21: 23
      +1
      Quote: Nayhas
      ....
      Where did the opinion come from that the people of Central Asia are eager to live here?
      ....

      I heard from the Tajiks with my own ears. If a Tajik finds himself a woman here with a living space - life has taken place. He sends some money to his Tajik wife and children here for years.
  15. Stiletto
    Stiletto 29 November 2013 09: 10
    10
    Capitalism and demography are incompatible. If the USSR had guarantees, then under capitalism they are not. A person learns up to 20 years to get a good job, then takes a mortgage, and there is simply no money left for a family. If a young mother gives birth, and then the child is ill, she will not be hired - employers need young professionals aged 18 years with two higher educations and two adult children - this does not happen in nature. Baby food, clothes, strollers, diapers, requisitions in kindergarten, paid health care and education - and a meager allowance from the state - turn around as you like. Once you spin, - and think hard about whether it is worth having a second, third and subsequent child. Who will feed and grow them with an average salary in the province of 15-18 thousand per family (and is this at best?). That is why Western countries are aging and dying out - sodomy and lesbianism are only part of the problem. The main ambush in the ideology of capitalism is to squeeze a person like a lemon, use 25 hours a day and throw it away. Half life at work in the struggle for existence - what kind of children are there ...
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 29 November 2013 09: 34
      -1
      Quote: Stiletto
      Capitalism and demography are incompatible.

      Of course, capitalism is in Japan, but the population is not much lower than in Russia.
      Quote: Stiletto
      If the USSR had guarantees, then under capitalism they are not.

      Nonsense. There were no guarantees in the USSR. for 70 years of the existence of the USSR, relatively tolerably, they began to give housing only at its sunset.
      Quote: Stiletto
      A person learns up to 20 years to get a good job, then takes a mortgage, and there is simply no money left for a family.

      You are imposing the situation in Russia on the whole world. The cost of housing in the United States is known, your house can be bought for 5 million rubles, but it will be a large house with repairs and all furniture. Mortgages in the United States are inexpensive, and citizens have higher incomes. What is happening with medicine and education does not mean that this is so in the whole world.
      1. Stiletto
        Stiletto 29 November 2013 10: 03
        +6
        Quote: Nayhas
        You are imposing the situation in Russia on the whole world. The cost of housing in the United States is known, your house can be bought for 5 million rubles, but it will be a large house with repairs and all furniture. Mortgages in the United States are inexpensive, and citizens have higher incomes. What is happening with medicine and education does not mean that this is so in the whole world.


        I tell you about Thomas, and you tell me about Yerema. I do not live in Japan or the United States, but in the country of victorious wild capitalism. It’s better to explain how a young Russian family of reproductive age (a father who was inspired to work with 18 incomes, a young mother on maternity leave with a income of one thousand and three rubles and spinogryz) in a removable hut or with a mortgage loan paid in 11 TR (the basic mortgage rate + interest repayment, or housing and communal services + on the paw of the apartment owner, which, in fact, are the same eggs, only in profile) can eat, dress, be treated, study, and at the same time think about a second child?
        1. Nayhas
          Nayhas 29 November 2013 11: 28
          0
          Quote: Stiletto
          I tell you about Thomas, and you tell me about Yerema. I do not live in Japan and not in the USA

          You brought to the fore your thesis that "Capitalism and demography are incompatible." In Japan, capitalism and demography do not have such problems as in Russia, they do not even have migrants. There are no demographic problems in the capitalist Republic of Korea, and there are many such capitalist countries.
          Quote: Stiletto
          It’s better to explain how a young Russian family of reproductive age (a father who was inspired at work with 18 tons of income, a young mother on maternity leave with a income of three thousand rubles and a spin-nib) in a removable hut or with a mortgage loan with payment of 11 tr (the basic mortgage rate + interest repayment, or housing and communal services + on the paw of the owner, which, in fact, are the same eggs, only in profile) can eat, dress, be treated, study, and at the same time think about a second child?

          In Russia, of course, capitalism, but we have the power of monopolies established by the totalitarian regime. Under such conditions, there will be no better. Can a construction company have low housing prices when its relatives are the head of the city administration? Will a developer appear in such a city with housing prices much lower? Never.
      2. Encoder
        Encoder 29 November 2013 10: 57
        0
        Well, in the US you buy a plywood house. They often move and therefore build cheaper. And for this money, we will have a normal log cabin with all conveniences (not in the Moscow region, of course, because Manhatton will not be offered to you there).
        1. Nayhas
          Nayhas 29 November 2013 11: 41
          +3
          Quote: Coder
          Well, in the US you buy a plywood house.

          Announcement:
          "Florida
          Miami Beach
          House with 3 bedrooms
          2 bathrooms
          Washer dryer
          Land Area: 119 m2
          Garden view
          Pool
          Central air conditioning
          Central heating
          Fenced
          Домашние животные разрешены
          Roof with flexible tiles
          Garage / Parking 1 car garage, automatic garage door
          Price: $ 110
          Offering a budget home in Miami, fully remodeled home, fabulous new kitchen, stunning new bathrooms, wood floors throughout, new central air conditioning, large fenced yard, pool, new landscaping and lawn. Turnkey house, just bring a toothbrush! "
          In my city for this price:
          I will sell 3-room apartment
          Novosibirsk, Leninsky district, st. Sportivnaya, house 11/1
          3 640 thousand rubles
          44 390 rub. m2
          net sale, mortgage
          Area
          total: 82 m2
          residential: 45 m2
          kitchen: 13 m2
          1st floor of a 10-storey panel building.

          And now the question. What kind of house does a house with a plot, pool and garage in Miami cost the same as a panel kennel in Siberia? To the question of the cost of materials: we have a cubic meter of edged lumber costs 6500 rubles. or almost 200 US dollars. For such a house as in Miami it will be required from a force of 20-25m3, i.e. $ 5000
          1. Normal
            Normal 29 November 2013 12: 13
            +4
            Quote: Nayhas
            You brought to the fore your thesis that "Capitalism and demography are incompatible." In Japan, capitalism and demography do not have such problems as in Russia, they do not even have migrants. There are no demographic problems in the capitalist Republic of Korea, and there are many such capitalist countries.

            It seems to me that when specifying "In Russia," the thesis is absolutely correct. still, one should not forget about national, cultural, climatic and other peculiarities. After all, some animals breed well in captivity, and some do not. Of course, a person is somewhat different from an animal and nevertheless.
            Quote: Nayhas
            Can a construction company have low housing prices when its relatives are the head of the city administration? ....... What kind of house does a house with a plot, pool and garage in Miami cost like a panel kennel in Siberia?

            Climate, my friend, climate. Well, and also such a factor as the pressure on the real estate market of a huge mass of oil and gas, speculative, unsecured, "thieves" money. The deal was closed, nothing was produced, but the resulting mass of colored paper must be sold. The most reliable investment is real estate, so prices are growing by leaps and bounds
            1. Mahamont
              Mahamont 29 November 2013 18: 53
              0
              Japan built its capitalism on the basis of a planned economy. But in our country the economy was destroyed, and capitalism was built, in which everything is against man and everything for profit.
            2. anomalocaris
              anomalocaris 1 December 2013 13: 11
              0
              I have lived in Sweden for quite some time. Their climate, of course, is milder than ours (this is serious, I just live in the south of Western Siberia). So, a normal house with a normal plot (about 1 hectare) there will cost about 400 crowns. By the way, on this site there is already electricity, water, sewage. Mortgage loan at symbolic 000%. So compare the ass with your finger.
              1. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa 1 December 2013 20: 27
                +1
                Quote: anomalocaris
                I have lived in Sweden for quite some time.

                Quote: anomalocaris
                I was born and raised in the USSR, so I owe nothing to modern Russia.

                Here you are, my friend, what a patriot! That's what I think: well, where does so much "bad" (in the sense of shit) come from in your head? It turns out - they kicked out of Sweden to the "Ridna Batkivshchyna" - they took revenge for Poltava! Therefore, "everything around is not so, and I know everything myself, and I will teach you, idiots, how to love Sweden, subhumans!"
                1. anomalocaris
                  anomalocaris 2 December 2013 03: 18
                  0
                  Hmm ... It's hard to be inadequate.
                  And the fact that I was there on a long business trip, you do not allow? Apparently not. Anyway. Just for information, I was blasphemed both on the far and near foreign lands, and on the home side too, so I can compare.
                  Although your verbal twist amused me. Okay, do not cough, amuse the stake on your head and stay in your pink dreams. I have nothing more to talk about with you.
                  1. Boa kaa
                    Boa kaa 2 December 2013 13: 57
                    +1
                    Quote: anomalocaris
                    Although your verbal twist amused me. Okay, do not cough, amuse the stake on your head and stay in your pink dreams. I have nothing more to talk about with you.

                    You know, I have also been abroad several times. True, I didn’t shabbat like you, but represented the country as part of the delegation’s leadership. But there was not a single clerk or employee among us who, considering himself a well-mannered person, allowed himself such expressions as you, dear! Well, the rottenness and baseness of your little soul shows how you put cons to your opponent. This is not gentlemanly, HOWEVER! Good luck arthropod!
                    1. anomalocaris
                      anomalocaris 2 December 2013 15: 38
                      0
                      Repeatedly, how many times have you traveled to the resorts of Egypt and Turkey?
                      I didn’t shabbat there, and here you can earn no less, you just need to have the appropriate qualifications. By the way, I was repeatedly offered to stay there, as far as I see, no. From that and resentment ...
                      1. Boa kaa
                        Boa kaa 2 December 2013 19: 50
                        +1
                        Quote: anomalocaris
                        By the way, I was repeatedly offered to stay there, as far as I see, no. From that and resentment ...

                        Vyacheslav! You know - never offered! I was always accompanied by an officer ..., the admission was very serious.
                        You know, I’m proud of that, which is appreciated and still not forgotten not only by the bosses, but also by subordinates. On the sim, allow me to take my leave.
                        Advice: never make friends and be rude to strangers.
                      2. Boa kaa
                        Boa kaa 2 December 2013 19: 59
                        +1
                        Quote: anomalocaris
                        how many times have you traveled to the resorts of Egypt and Turkey?

                        When they allowed me to leave, I traveled all over Europe, repeatedly: Spain, the Czech Republic, Germany, Montenegro, Hungary, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, I am silent about Poland, but God didn’t liken God to Egypt and Turkey. It will be necessary to go to the Dead Sea, and from there to the pyramids can be wrapped.
                      3. anomalocaris
                        anomalocaris 3 December 2013 16: 49
                        0
                        Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Germany, Austria, France, Italy, Britain, Romania, Tunisia, China are from abroad. And all on business trips. I have never been there on tour trips.
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 29 November 2013 14: 29
          -1
          Quote: Nayhas
          And now the question. What kind of house does a house with a plot, pool and garage in Miami cost the same as a panel kennel in Siberia?

          Would you touch this house with your hands, what’s behind the walls? Plywood or drywall? In such a house in Siberia you will not survive the winter, yyx will fall away from the cold.
          1. anomalocaris
            anomalocaris 2 December 2013 16: 12
            0
            Typically a 2-3 layer sandwich. 2-3 sheets of 15-20 layer plywood and a thermal insulator between them.
  16. Normal
    Normal 29 November 2013 10: 33
    +5
    Quote: Stiletto
    Capitalism and demography are incompatible. ..... The main ambush in the ideology of capitalism is to squeeze a person like a lemon, use it 25 hours a day and throw it away. Half life at work in the struggle for existence - what kind of children are there ...

    Correctly! Capitalism is economic slavery, bondage! And in captivity, even freedom-loving animals do not breed.
    Under capitalism-imperialism, man is not his own master. He has no means of production, no land, no confidence in the future. What kind of demography is it?
  17. washi
    washi 29 November 2013 13: 42
    -1
    Or maybe just stop advertising condoms?
    Cancel grants from the Soros Foundation in the 90s to promote "free s ... sa?
    Start promoting women's health?
    Make prostitution official? (Sonya Marmeladova, and I don’t remember the name from Buldakov)
    For Slavophiles and Muslims: prostitution is Western (more precisely, the Protestant phenomenon)
  18. Setrac
    Setrac 29 November 2013 14: 22
    +1
    Quote: Stiletto
    then he takes a mortgage, and there is simply no money left for a family.

    A house in the village can be bought for maternity capital, and an apartment with windows to the Kremlin must be earned.
    1. anomalocaris
      anomalocaris 30 November 2013 10: 40
      0
      Yeah. And what to do in such a hole? There is no work there, convenience at the level of the 18th century, prospects 0 ... Move.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 30 November 2013 14: 35
        0
        Quote: anomalocaris
        Yeah. And what to do in such a hole? There is no work there, convenience at the level of the 18th century, prospects 0 ... Move.

        Where should I move? I do not live in a city. This city is a hole.
        There is work, convenience - create comfort for yourself, if the toilet itself on the street did then who is to blame for you?
        1. anomalocaris
          anomalocaris 1 December 2013 13: 23
          0
          So you advise me ?!
          I have not been a young man for a long time. Money ... And what is money? I have enough of them. Another conversation, if I could 20 years ago have at least a quarter of what I have now. Then yes, the ladies would look at me favorably, but I bought a hut ... But alas. Das Leben ist ßeise, und was machen sie hier?
  19. poquello
    poquello 29 November 2013 21: 44
    +1
    Quote: Stiletto
    .... The main ambush in the ideology of capitalism is to squeeze a person like a lemon, use it 25 hours a day and throw it away. Half life at work in the struggle for existence - what kind of children are there ...

    It's like that. Westernizers have not implemented anything else in Russia, although there are options where human resources are a competitive advantage, but for our people this is difficult.
  • lotar
    lotar 29 November 2013 09: 11
    +2
    The people, what kind of development and demographic growth can be, if, for example, in the Chelyabinsk region there is a targeted bankruptcy of large metallurgical and production companies and holdings, and believe me in them, almost a third of the population in this region works or otherwise interacts. In this regard, problems with salary payments begin. They were already small, and even without them it became very difficult. At the same time, I observe a picture of increasing salaries of the military, the police, the GUIN, the FSB and other government agencies in one way or another guides for the security in this and other regionah.Pri this on the news talking about the support of engineering and other important industries.
    1. Prometey
      Prometey 29 November 2013 12: 06
      0
      Quote: lotar
      The people, what development and demographic growth can be, if, for example, in the Chelyabinsk region we see a targeted bankruptcy of large metallurgical and production companies and holdings, and believe me, almost a third of the population in this region works

      Because you can’t tie up the region’s economy in one industry. Although I would have the same ChEMK, poisoning the whole city, would have closed nafig for a long time, and it’s even better to burn it with the engineer hyperboloid Garin am
      1. anomalocaris
        anomalocaris 30 November 2013 10: 49
        +1
        Baby, and what moon did you fall from, that you give judgments of a cosmic scale and cosmic stupidity?
        To speak about the involvement of the region, especially the Chelyabinsk region, in one industry, at least not carefully.
    2. anomalocaris
      anomalocaris 30 November 2013 10: 44
      0
      I fully agree. I live in Kuzbass myself, worked for a while in the Urals. I saw all this with my own eyes at the ZMZ.
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 29 November 2013 09: 26
    +3
    I see not a feeble threat in Western values
  • calocha
    calocha 29 November 2013 09: 44
    +5
    I think it would not be bad, for example, for a 4-5 child, to give an apartment from the State + benefits (school, transport, institute) To give loans at a low interest rate, reducing the loan percentage with the birth of each child. It is free to allocate land for development.
    1. Stiletto
      Stiletto 29 November 2013 10: 05
      +3
      Quote: calocha
      Free land for building.


      Land is being allocated now, only who and what, and, most importantly, with what money will it be built up?
      1. predator.3
        predator.3 29 November 2013 10: 37
        +2
        Quote: Stiletto
        Land is being allocated now, only who and what, and, most importantly, with what money will it be built up?

        That's it ! to get into credit bondage again? In Sochi 2014, 46 billion dollars were banged, and if you build houses with this money (at the cost of 2-3 million rubles) and give out to large families, even if it’s not free, then it’s half a million houses! and how many jobs!
      2. Nayhas
        Nayhas 29 November 2013 11: 48
        0
        Quote: Stiletto

        Land is being allocated now, only who and what, and, most importantly, with what money will it be built up?

        Where is it allocated? You’ll get the hell out of us in the NSO, according to regional law, I as a participant should get a building plot, but except for the three-finger figure ...
        There would be a plot with electricity and a road, but how to build is not a question. Oh, it will take less money than an apartment of a similar area.
    2. Encoder
      Encoder 29 November 2013 10: 46
      0
      And what do you think, in this situation, who will receive all these benefits (allowances, land)? Who has big families now? And do not hesitate, they will take both money and land.
    3. anomalocaris
      anomalocaris 30 November 2013 10: 54
      0
      That would be great. It’s just that we don’t have any money, but we didn’t have it ... Where the hell are he?
      In Russia, this will never happen under the current socio-economic system.
  • Semurg
    Semurg 29 November 2013 10: 13
    +4
    in old Europe, everything is more or less good with social services, medicine, housing, etc., but there is the same demographic decline, and I think if it were not for migrants and their children who arrived or were born in Europe, there would be a good pit. So I think there is no direct connection between the difficulties of life and the number of children in families. But there is a direct connection between emancipation and the fall in the number of children. In all honesty, the number of children in a family is regulated by the "weak half" of the family. Now, of course, the weaker sex on the site and some of the men will start throwing "poop" at me, but while women compete on equal terms with men in the labor market and in all spheres of life they are not interested in giving birth to men. (And since they are not interested in children and will be). Of course, this is not the only reason, but one of the main ones, and until it is solved, the rest of the efforts will go off (I don’t know how to solve this problem, you cannot drive women back into the home building when they realized themselves through their family and children). At least in our country, the more a woman gave birth to children, the more honor and respect she received, and now they are considered almost fools. In general, as usual, most of the problems in people's heads are there and must be solved.
  • stayer
    stayer 29 November 2013 10: 17
    +3
    Statistics is inexorable. If by 2035 in Russia half of the families will not be 3-4-year-olds, then by the middle of the XXI century the “Russian question”, which Hitler’s Third Reich was trying to solve by force, can be solved “naturally”

    Yes, statistics are inexorable. But if everything continues as it is, then for example in Europe by then there will be no people left at all, only LGBT surviving.
    We need to live, give birth to people, promote new family support programs, etc.

    PS It is imperative to prohibit LGBT propaganda and same-sex marriage; this cannot restore the human population. Therefore, in the furnace.
    1. Encoder
      Encoder 29 November 2013 10: 43
      +1
      And the war is not only against the Russians, but against the entire white nation.
    2. alone
      alone 29 November 2013 19: 05
      +1
      Quote: Evgenij.
      national idea
      1 000 000 000
      Russian to 2120 year !!!!!

      Do you personally believe in what you wrote?


      When I wrote this answer to this comment, the cons flew like flies to honey.

      and who is to blame for the current situation? GDP, LADIES, EBN can be Hunchbacked? No, the society itself is to blame. It is no secret that many do not want to have children. If some can be understood (low salary, housing problem, etc.), but many prosperous families prefer to have a dog at home than to babysit their own child. and don’t forget about alcohol and drugs. It’s no secret that mostly young people die.
  • Dimach
    Dimach 29 November 2013 10: 18
    +2
    Question to all who wrote here.
    You will all be faithful, the birth rate must be increased.
    And how many children do you have?
    Here I have 1 daughter. 5 years. In a year I still want a second child. But I will not pull the 3rd anymore - housing, social services, and so on.
    Fertility must be initiated from above. and the men below will somehow work on this)
    1. washi
      washi 29 November 2013 14: 09
      +1
      Quote: Dimach
      Question to all who wrote here.
      You will all be faithful, the birth rate must be increased.
      And how many children do you have?
      Here I have 1 daughter. 5 years. In a year I still want a second child. But I will not pull the 3rd anymore - housing, social services, and so on.
      Fertility must be initiated from above. and the men below will somehow work on this)

      As stated in one of the works of the Strugatsky preachers of socialism: the main thing is to see the goal and not notice obstacles.
      If you decide that a competent Slavic population should prevail from the Oder to Klondike, then act. And do not push the blame for the number and upbringing of your children on our stupid state (masturbates).
      Any person should have a goal in life. What is your goal?
      You can answer in PM
  • lawyer
    lawyer 29 November 2013 10: 29
    +1
    I agree with everyone because There is no support from our wise sovereign, we don’t hold Russians for people in general, you have to pay a lot for children then and parents will not think how to feed them.
  • Volozhanin
    Volozhanin 29 November 2013 10: 38
    +5
    Hello everyone. My wife works in the civil service and knows the topic of childbirth. She says that in our area people come to get child benefits (i.e. give birth) mainly lumps and the local barrack trash, drunkards, drug addicts and marginalized people, and normal Russian families among They are a clear minority. We have two children, we certainly won't pull the third, AS IT IS EXPENSIVE, I OH ..... Y. There are a lot of disabled people among Russian children. Next year my daughter will go to school. An acquaintance took her son this year to first grade to the same school where we go by registration, they say in a class of 25 people, 15 chocks. This morning he took my doll to the kindergarten, extortion 700 rubles. In the evening, a meeting, they told us to cook another 1000. STATE? So I asked everyone present at the last meeting, when they announced the next increase in the payment for d / s, the full hall of mothers was silent, someone whispered, someone laughed softly. PS Well, what else can you add ?? !!! a year ago at this forum someone said well: "Putin, like a sucker, was bred to the Olympics and the 2018 World Cup."
  • ReifA
    ReifA 29 November 2013 10: 38
    +6
    If you want to destroy a nation, corrupt its women. (C) So it happens.
  • Cormorants
    Cormorants 29 November 2013 10: 39
    0
    You need great shocks, and we need a great Russia!
    1. washi
      washi 29 November 2013 14: 14
      0
      Quote: Cormorants
      You need great shocks, and we need a great Russia!

      It is easy to steal other people's words, but what have you done for her greatness?
  • Encoder
    Encoder 29 November 2013 10: 40
    +4
    Quote: Canep
    My cousin lives in the Ivanovo region, and goes to work for 15 days in Moscow. He receives the same money as the Tajiks.
    And in Ivanovo itself - that's for sure the "city of brides" in transport only women. And why? Yes, just half of the men in Moscow work or on business trips. And there are no textile factories in the city, instead of them there are only shopping centers.
    The article is correct + albeit sad. "The hand that rocks the cradle wins in war"
  • bolonenkov
    bolonenkov 29 November 2013 10: 43
    -3
    The author of the article is aware that the share of Russians in the population of the Russian Federation has increased since 2002? Knowing this fact, the whole article goes to hell.
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 29 November 2013 11: 00
      +2
      Well, judging by my surroundings, the birth rate has increased since 2002, I still somehow didn’t unclean from the 90s, I see that everything started to give birth to friends and acquaintances, as a result, my daughter was born in 2002, then there was no such influx of migrants and ours They began to give birth, so do not bother, it’s true that the share of Russians has grown.
    2. Berserk
      Berserk 29 November 2013 15: 33
      +5
      I wonder who and how to count this share? Judging by how the last census was conducted, there is generally written a gag. About 60 percent of my acquaintances have not been rewritten at all. They didn’t come to me either. And this is in St. Petersburg.
    3. Candy wrapper
      Candy wrapper 29 November 2013 19: 37
      +1
      Don’t flood us.
    4. Normal
      Normal 29 November 2013 22: 04
      0
      Quote: bolonenkov
      The author of the article is aware that the share of Russians in the population of the Russian Federation has increased since 2002?

      I'm not in the know, although not the author. Enlighten, please. Subjective sensations suggest otherwise. The data of the site ruxpert.ru can not be cited as outdated, since the latest data there is for 2012, and now 2013 is ending. In addition, according to completely "subjective" estimates, the share of classmates of my children in kindergarten and classmates in school with Asian and Caucasian surnames is steadily growing.
  • Known who
    Known who 29 November 2013 10: 52
    +2
    The ability of the population to self-reproduce depends on many factors, it should be a whole system of measures and measures, people should see that the state takes care of them, that the country needs them. Currently, the government and the president are deeply ... on the population. The government, together with the president, is moving away from solving demographic issues, they are afraid of their people and remember people only when elections come!
    1. predator.3
      predator.3 29 November 2013 11: 08
      +2
      Quote: It is known who
      The ability of the population to self-reproduce depends on many factors, it should be a whole system of measures and measures, people should see that the state takes care of them, that the country needs them. Currently, the government and the president are deeply ... on the population. The government, together with the president, is moving away from solving demographic issues, they are afraid of their people and remember people only when elections come!

      After the Second World War there was a boom in fertility, both grandfathers had six children!
      1. Encoder
        Encoder 29 November 2013 11: 23
        0
        Fertility before the Second World War was good, but after the Second World War it was more common in families that developed before the Second World War, but in the 50s, 1 child in the family became the norm (out of 11 boys of my age on our street, only one had a sister)
      2. Stiletto
        Stiletto 29 November 2013 11: 44
        +2
        After the Second World War there was a boom in fertility, both grandfathers had six children![/ Quote]

        It is right. People understood the price of life and death, they defeated a terrible enemy, they were preparing for a better life ... War is often represented by blue and red arrows on maps, but in few places it is presented as in "Quiet Don". And we can only guess how our grandfathers wanted to throw their daughter or son up to the sky, to caress their wife, but instead every day they had to walk under bullets, see blood, dirt and death of their comrades ... soldier
  • Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 29 November 2013 11: 01
    +1
    An interesting article ... But honestly, I don’t see how the USSR-2 will be created without Soviet power ... soldier
  • Stiletto
    Stiletto 29 November 2013 11: 23
    +3
    I believe that if the state is interested in raising the birth rate, then mothers should be paid maternity leave as if for work. It is necessary to direct the money of the National Welfare Fund to this, and not keep it in American stocks and securities, supporting an economy that is alien to us. Our children - this is what the real NATIONAL Dignity is. Having a baby is half the battle, but raising it as a true patriot and citizen is a big job, which should be adequately paid and fully supported by the state.
  • Bezarius
    Bezarius 29 November 2013 11: 24
    +4
    If we stop looking at the West, leave the model of capitalism, change the capitalist model to another, and generally stop engaging in flirting with democracy, then we will have a chance to reverse this trend.
  • chenia
    chenia 29 November 2013 11: 37
    +1
    Mendeleev was wrong. The growth over the years 20-60 is Great Britain-35%, France-40%, Italy-45%, Bulgaria-80% (the dependence on industrialization and urbanization is obvious).

    RI (or rather education on the site of RI) in 1918. 170 million (take as a basis, then Poland left to Curzon, plus Transcarpathia, Galicia and Bukovina, the rest went to the Baltic states, Bessarabia, etc.).

    In 1960, in the USSR, the urban population was 50%. An industrialized country has a projected increase of up to 65%. And that means 60 years. the population of the USSR is 280 million people (similar to Mendeleev), but the growth of 1960-2000 is less than 50% (this is already official), and then there were no repressions and famines, that is, in 2000 it should have been 420 million, but not like 600 million

    In 6og. 209 million of us means demographic losses-70 million people, where 39 million WWII (12 million unborn, 27 million loss of real people (but 2-4 million of them is emigration).

    The remaining 32 million (8 mln. - unborn, 5 mln. Emigration after the Civil, 8,5 mln. Spaniards (5% of the population), the remaining 10-11 mln. Red and white terror, civil war, all famines (and famine 47g.) and repression, and typhoid, etc.
    That something like this.
  • Flibustiero
    Flibustiero 29 November 2013 11: 54
    +2
    I completely agree with the author!
  • sashka
    sashka 29 November 2013 12: 03
    +4
    In order to give birth you need confidence in tomorrow. I do not SEE this ..
    1. washi
      washi 29 November 2013 14: 16
      -1
      Quote: Sasha
      т

      The future depends on YOU
      1. anomalocaris
        anomalocaris 30 November 2013 11: 21
        +1
        Another nonsense.
  • voin777
    voin777 29 November 2013 12: 11
    0
    we’ll soon die chtol?) they themselves are to blame, they take all sorts of Putin and Medvedev to the presidency
  • Figvam
    Figvam 29 November 2013 12: 54
    +8
    you just need to give birth and do not wait for a blessing from the government
    give birth to children for themselves and not for them
    they are help and support in the family
    joy and pleasant chores
    and you can feed them, you need to work current and not sharpen the hairs, that everything is bad
    Tajiks come here and give birth in bundles being on the bird's rights and we are afraid to breed in our homeland - degradants
  • Sergg
    Sergg 29 November 2013 12: 54
    +4
    To say sad is not to say anything. We could become one of the most numerous peoples of the world, instead, almost defeated.
    I have three minor children, long-term pension, rural area, no prospects. Family income 30 thousand plus in-kind dividends from the household. How to develop in such a situation - not how!
    I am Russian, not Tajik, my health will recover, I plan to go to work in the city, I’ll go to no where, I feel almost Tajik. Well, how is it that the Russian people ???
  • Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 29 November 2013 12: 57
    +2
    The problem is very serious. But the majority of the audience is not aware of the role of women's emancipation in this. Somewhere in the 17th century, the bourgeois realized that female labor was more profitable for them, since the first mechanization of work began. Then the Pope endowed women with a soul (apparently, at the request of the bourgeois), after which the woman competed with the man in the labor market, having acquired the right to work and property. A lot of water has flowed since then, and the woman continues to destroy human society. How? For women, a change of values ​​has occurred. Career, social significance, education have replaced the desire for a family. Of course, an illiterate woman brings up the same illiterate children. But. Imagine a legal entity with two directors with the right to manage money and property. Mess. So this is a modern family. Well yes, you say, give the drunk money, and you will be right. So he became an alcoholic thanks to the deprivation of his rights as head of the family. How to fix the situation? Difficult, but possible. As early as the 15th or 16th century in Sweden, a Christian country, the monarch allowed polygamy, as the population began to catastrophically decrease. 100 years it was, nothing disappeared. So there are solutions. It is true that young people have nowhere to live, that the rural population has moved to a city that is everywhere drunk. But this problem is key. hi
  • DZ_98_B
    DZ_98_B 29 November 2013 14: 21
    +2
    Employment, literally 2 months ago, requires a bulldog. Woman 28 years old, no children ..... why not? And if you give birth? ... Failure .... Woman 34 years old, two children, the oldest is 8-11 years old. Do they get sick? And often? .....Renouncement. They took a childless 40 year old barren slut. They refused for a reason, then the profile is not the same, then there is little experience. And you say give birth to children.
  • x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 29 November 2013 15: 31
    +1
    Quote: Sergg
    To say sad is not to say anything. We could become one of the most numerous peoples of the world, instead, almost defeated.

    Unfortunately, this is so. For some time now, people have changed their life values ​​to Western ones, that is, to "material well-being". Material good is certainly good, but since the standard of living is lower compared to the West, and you want good, then people who are angry, who are lazy. As a result, in our country, everyone is locked in on themselves and spit on others. The worst thing is that the power is the same. There is no need to harbor illusions that local officials are worried about some kind of demography. She, perhaps, will excite them a little at the meeting for the "word of honor". The difference is that when a roasted rooster bites in one place, those in power will have the opportunity to get out of here. And their offspring are already over the hill.
  • Christian
    Christian 29 November 2013 15: 33
    0
    With the rejection of national traditions and spiritual roots (Orthodoxy), the degeneration of the Russian ethnos began. The people are no longer there is a population. They are spiritless, nationless, ideological, and therefore have no chance of survival.
  • Mr. Truth
    Mr. Truth 29 November 2013 15: 35
    -1
    Such articles create a decadent mood, to overcome the current demographic crisis, not half of the children with 3-4 children are needed, as they say, but 20 parents need 23-25 ​​children. and this is quite realistic.
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  • dengy12
    dengy12 29 November 2013 19: 35
    0
    Quote: strannik595
    to do for Russia, to fulfill the Ten Commandments,

    this alone is enough for the prosperity of society and the state. and those who do not want to follow those in criminal proceedings. in ancient Israel they did. while they were fulfilling the Ten Commandments, everything was in their chocolate and as soon as they were massively violated, problems immediately appeared .... and now compare the propaganda of what’s going on TV. draw conclusions gentlemen !!
  • dengy12
    dengy12 29 November 2013 19: 41
    0
    Quote: predator.3
    I have three children, though the eldest is already 20 years old (student), all social payments stopped as soon as he was 18 years old, although according to the law he should stop at 23 years old. the student, the promised land plot for private housing construction was not allocated under the same pretext, then there is not much loan from the banks — there are many dependents, etc. but all this is nonsense, the children are dressed and shod, to study well, they are even better off than their peers.

    Yes, you are a respected two-core ...
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 29 November 2013 19: 41
    0
    The current socio-economic formation that has developed as a result of the Gaidar-Chubais reforms is not able to fairly solve the problems of the development of the Slavic ethnic group in Russia and streamline the migration flows that flood the country. There is only one solution: a radical reform of socio-economic relations.
  • dengy12
    dengy12 29 November 2013 19: 48
    0
    Quote: sergey32
    A prefabricated house can be bought for a million and assembled together with a friend or brother in a month, it would be a desire and a piece of land. How can I build in the traditional way, if you do it yourself you save half the money. True, after work you go to your construction site, but you don’t throw ... on the sofa. My grandfather said, drive a stake into the ground and begin to build up around. After the war, my grandfathers built houses under difficult conditions, and my great-grandmother during the war, when the hut burned down in her own hands, she cut down the house, the men were at the front.
    And give you a house for three lyamas, give a car and so that the store is nearby, but the Hari will not crack?

    it can all crank up one in one case was health ...
  • dengy12
    dengy12 29 November 2013 19: 48
    0
    Quote: sergey32
    A prefabricated house can be bought for a million and assembled together with a friend or brother in a month, it would be a desire and a piece of land. How can I build in the traditional way, if you do it yourself you save half the money. True, after work you go to your construction site, but you don’t throw ... on the sofa. My grandfather said, drive a stake into the ground and begin to build up around. After the war, my grandfathers built houses under difficult conditions, and my great-grandmother during the war, when the hut burned down in her own hands, she cut down the house, the men were at the front.
    And give you a house for three lyamas, give a car and so that the store is nearby, but the Hari will not crack?

    it can all crank up one in one case was health ...
  • Candy wrapper
    Candy wrapper 29 November 2013 19: 50
    0
    The appearance of a loom and similar means of production made possible the appearance of manufactories, factories, factories - industrialization, the crowding out of artisans and their replacement by factory workers - the proletariat, and the appearance of capitalists. Artisans lived and worked as families. The father works, he teaches sons, the spouse and daughters are immediately busy with the household. The whole family together from dawn to dawn. In the village, peasants do the same. Now, under capitalism (I’m not talking about communism), the proletarians (former artisans, shopkeepers and peasants) cannot live and work with the whole family together. Husband in the morning for his work, wife for his own, children to someone else’s aunt in kindergarten and the family meets only in the evening (at best), such conditions do not contribute to strengthening the family, on the contrary, weaken it. Family is the foundation of our morality. The destruction of the institution of the family leads to the destruction of morality and, as a consequence, the corruption of society: the sexual revolution, the growth of sexual perversions, the cult of consumption, etc. Homosexuals triumph, society breaks down and dies. Capitalism demanded a lot of proletarians (serfdom was canceled on this wave in Russia), urbanization acquired an epic scale and many people came to life in unfavorable conditions for the family.
    In order to change the demographic situation for the better, it is necessary to seriously redraw the lifestyle of modern society, organize production according to the family principle, and much more, but it is impossible to carry out such work under capitalism.
  • Mahamont
    Mahamont 29 November 2013 19: 55
    +1
    As if our country was occupied. It is not necessary to create, as many suggest, but to gnaw a piece of their homeland and happiness, to obtain, to seek out opportunities. What kind of thoughts can there be about children? What the hell is this philosophy.