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Launch of Topol-E ICBM, Kapustin Yar test site, Russia, 2009

According to the message in Izvestia, the rocket body is lengthened and its configuration is changed. The goal is to accommodate a new type of combat load: with an MFVD IN, equipped with its own engines, which ensure the maneuvering of the MFRHI in the direction and speed after separation from the carrier (according to Izvestia).


In the online journal "Kopyuterra" No. 30 from 19 August 2008, I met an interesting article by Yuri Romanov "The Sword" Voivod ", telling about the development of controlled warheads (UBB) in relation to the heavy liquid ICBM P-36, nicknamed in the west" Satan " The term “managed” in this case, most likely, is inaccurate, yet it should be understood as “homing.” The article is very interesting, so I’ll quote in full…

Sword "Governors"

The most likely unusual, unique and, frankly, creepy domestic combat drone was the UBB, which means Managed Combat Block ...

The events described took place more than a quarter of a century ago; nevertheless, there is every reason to believe that this technique still stands on duty in Russia. Quite possible. We read: "Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov reported to President Vladimir Putin about the successful tests of a fundamentally new warhead for domestic ballistic missiles. This is a combat unit that can maneuver independently, avoiding any missile defense systems. It is important that the new combat unit is unified, that is, adapted for installation both on the Bulava sea rockets and on the Topol-M land rockets. One missile will be capable of carrying up to six such warheads. " Such things are not scattered.

In Soviet times, all the development of controlled warheads for intercontinental missiles was concentrated on two Ukrainian enterprises - in Yuzhnoye Design Bureau, Dnepropetrovsk, and in Elektropribor (today it is JSC Khartron), Kharkov.

After the collapse of the USSR, all the documentation and the entire groundwork of the Ukrainian rocket engineers was handed over to Russia - the Orenburg Machine-Building Plant. This has now become known. And in those years, few people knew who and what is transmitted. Everything has always been very secret in this area ...

What is UBB?

Let me first explain what "just a war block" is. This is a device in which a thermonuclear charge is physically located on board an intercontinental ballistic missile. In the rocket there is the so-called head part, in which there can be one, two or more combat units. If there are several of them, the head part is called a split head (MF).

Inside the FPG there is a very complex unit (it is also called the breeding platform), which, after the launch vehicle leaves the atmosphere, begins to perform a number of programmed actions for individual targeting and separating the military units on it; in space, battle formations are lined up from blocks and false targets, which are originally also on the platform. Thus, each block is displayed on a trajectory that ensures it hits a given target on the surface of the Earth.

Warheads are different. Those that move along ballistic trajectories after separation from the platform are called uncontrollable. Managed warheads after separation begin to "live their lives." They are equipped with orientation engines for maneuvering in space, aerodynamic steering surfaces for controlling the flight in the atmosphere, they have an inertial control system, several computing devices, a radar with its own computer on board ... And, of course, a battle charge.

The first model of this weapons It was big - almost five meters long.
It was an experienced design of a self-guided head, not a combat unit. It was held on the topic "Beacon" and had the index 8Ф678. It was then 1972 year.

And the finished product left the workshops after four years.

The control system was built on the basis of the onboard computer. There were also several radar stations: a homing system with its large antenna, a motion correction system with a side-looking radar with synthetic aperture and a three-beam radio altimeter. To control the movement of the atmosphere, in space, a jet propulsion system using compressed gas was used, and in the atmosphere the moment of control was created by shifting the center of gravity of the head part relative to its axis. By the way, already on this product two ways of determining its position relative to the target were tested: using radio-contrast digital standards and digital terrain maps.
Of course, such a bulky heavy structure does not fit on the FER. But the results of its refinement formed the basis of the next generation project.
It was already UBB, an index in documents 15F178. The unit was developed for the 15А18М rocket of the one that was part of the Voyevoda complex and is also known as the P-36М2 rocket, aka PC-20В, which is, according to the American indexation, SS-18 "Satan", "Satan". The draft design of UBB was ready for 1984.

The block had the shape of a sharp cone about two meters high, the lower part of which, the “skirt”, could deviate in two planes. It was an aerodynamic steering wheel, used in the atmospheric part of the movement. Outside the atmosphere, the block was controlled by the engines of the orientation and stabilization system, and liquid carbon dioxide served as the working medium.

The saturation of the equipment UBB had no equal. A huge density of thought per unit volume, I would say so. In the cone were placed: jet propulsion orientation, mechanics of aerodynamic rudders, stabilization units of the center of pressure, steering actuators, cylinders with a working body, power sources, onboard computer, matching units, a variety of sensors, gyro units, radar units and calculator, cables, and another thermonuclear charge and all its automation and equipment ...

Practically, UBB combined the properties of an unmanned spacecraft and a hypersonic unmanned aircraft. The concept of radio control for such a product is absurd. All actions both in space and during a flight in the atmosphere, this device must perform autonomously.

One on one with a view

After separation from the breeding platform, the warhead flies for a relatively long time at a very high altitude - in space. At this time, the control system of the unit carries out a whole series of reorientations in order to create conditions for accurately determining its own motion parameters, facilitating overcoming the zone of possible nuclear explosions of antimissiles ...
Before entering the upper atmosphere, the on-board computer calculates the necessary orientation of the combat unit and executes it. Approximately in the same period, sessions of determining the actual location with the help of radar are held, for which a number of maneuvers must also be done. Then the locator antenna is shot off, and an atmospheric section of movement begins for the combat unit.

It is this section that seems to have caused the nickname “Satan,” but maybe I am mistaken. The fact is that the aerodynamic properties of the UBB and the capabilities of the onboard motion control system enable it to perform a series of broad maneuvers in the atmosphere with extremely high overloads. Practically, this means the invulnerability of UBB - there is simply nothing to shoot him down in this mode of approaching the target.

All controllability parameters of UBB were tested during testing of test blocks, which were “shot” from Kapyar (Kapustin Yar Polygon) in Balkhash. The first fully operational UBB test launch (without a nuclear warhead) was carried out at the beginning of 1990. Successful trials continued until 1991. Soon work on this product was closed.

Generally speaking, it was not the only UBB project. In 1987, work began on the Albatross complex. This topic was seen as the further development of guided warhead technology. A distinctive feature of the new combat unit was its ability to plan to fly in the atmosphere on the wings, which allowed to approach the target at a relatively low altitude, while actively maneuvering. By 1991, the first products for testing were to appear, but "perestroika processes" soon began, and how it ended, it is not known ...

The main characteristics of MBR P-36 with UBB 15F178:
Status: NIR-OKR, tests 1990-91.
Firing range - up to 15.000 km.
The guidance system is inertial + radar homing.
Starting weight - 211.100 kg.
Head weight - up to 8.800 kg.
Way of basing - silo.

However, the materials presented in the article are not complete data on the development of guided (self-guided) military units that were carried out in the Soviet Union. There were other developments ...

In the USSR in the KBM (Kolomna), a similar unit was developed for marine ballistic missiles. By the way, the created groundwork could well be used to create Iskander-M missile systems (also developed by KBM).

After the design work, theoretical and experimental studies in the 80-s, flight testing of the controlled units on the K65М-Р booster, a total of 28 starts, in the process of which the efficiency and high accuracy of shooting [1] was confirmed, was carried out in three stages.

About this system 4К18, SLBM R-27K, adopted for trial operation and served as part of the Soviet Navy from 1975 to 1982 years, in detail here -
Anti-ship ballistic missiles long-range

Key Features:
Status: in trial operation 1975-1982.
Firing range - up to 1.100 km.
The guidance system is inertial with passive guidance on ships.
Starting weight - 13.250 kg.
Head weight - 700-800 kg.
Base method - submarine project 605.

Work was carried out on the UBB and in Chelomey V. M. with reference to the ICBM UR100UTTH. Now we can say - including for the BCRC.

Key Features:
Trials - July 1970.
Firing range - 9.200 km.
The guidance system is inertial + radar homing.
Starting weight - 42.200 kg.
Head weight - 750 kg.
The way of basing is coastal silos.

These works at the NPO Mashinostroeniya continued at the beginning of the 2000s in the form of unconventional use of ICBMs with controlled blocks.
The NPO Mashinostroeniya, together with TsNIIMASH, proposed for the 2000-2003 years to create the Prizyv rocket-space ambulance system based on ICBM UR-100NUTTX (SS-19) to provide emergency assistance to maritime vessels in distress in the world’s ocean.
As a payload on the rocket, it is proposed to install special aerospace rescue aircraft, ALS-1 and ALS-2. At the same time, the speed of delivery of an emergency kit can be from 15 minutes to 1,5 hours, landing accuracy + 20-30 meters, and 420 and 2500 cargo weight, depending on the type of ALS. (A.V. Karpenko, BTC “Bastion”, August 2013).

Talking about UBB, it is necessary to mention the work on the subject "Aero".
Р-17ВТО "Aero" (8К14-1Ф) - with detachable head and optical homing head on the final part of the trajectory, developed by Central Research Institute of Aviation Safety, tested in 1979-1989, NATO code - SS-1e “Scud D”. The complex was put into trial operation under the name 9K72-1 in 1990.

Since 1967, the specialists of the Central Research Institute of Automation and Hydraulics (TsNIIAG) and NPO Hydraulics have been working on the creation of photo-model guidance systems.

About guided / self-guided missile warheads
Specialists TSNIIAG with their offspring - the head of the rocket with an optical homing head


The essence of this idea is that an aerial photograph of the target is loaded into the homing head and that, having entered a given area, it is induced with the help of an appropriate calculator and the built-in video system. According to the results of research, the “Aerophone” GOS was created. Due to the complexity of the project, the first test launch of the P-17 rocket with such a system took place only in the 1977 year. The first three test runs at a distance of 300 kilometers were completed successfully, conditional targets were hit with a deviation of several meters. From 1983 to 1986, the second stage of testing went through - another eight starts. At the end of the second stage, state tests began. The 22 start-up, most of which ended with the defeat of a conventional goal, became the reason for recommending that the Aerophone complex be put into trial operation.


The main characteristics of the P-17WTO "Aero" (8K14-1F):
Condition: trial operation, testing - 1977-86
Firing range - 50-300 km.
The guidance system is inertial + homing on the opto-image.
Starting weight - 5.862 kg.
The method of basing - PGRK.


The scheme of combat use of operational-tactical missiles with optical homing head

An optical reconnaissance satellite (1) or a reconnaissance aircraft (2) take a snapshot of the proposed stationary target location (3), after which the image is transmitted to the control panel (4) to identify the target; then the image of the terrain is digitized with the designation of the target location (5), after which it is inserted into the onboard computer of the head part of the tactical missile (6); The launcher (7) launches, after the active part of the flight, the head of the rocket is separated (8) and flies along a ballistic trajectory, then, according to the inertial system and altimeter, an optical homing head is switched on, which scans the area with a digital standard (9) is aimed at the target with the help of aerodynamic control surfaces and hits it.

In 1990, the military personnel of the 22 Rocket Brigade of the Belarusian Military District went to Kapustin Yar to get acquainted with the new complex, called 9K72O. A little later, several copies were sent to the brigade units. There is no information about trial operation, moreover, according to different sources, the 22-I brigade was disbanded ahead of the expected date of transfer of missile complexes. According to reports, all unused missiles and equipment systems are in storage [2].

The Aerofon development work ended successfully in 1989. But the research of scientists did not end there, so it’s too early to sum up the final results. It is difficult to say how the fate of this development will develop in the future, another thing is clear: it allowed to study the principles of creating high-precision weapons systems, to see their strengths and weaknesses, and in passing - to make a lot of discoveries and inventions that are already being introduced both in the military and in civil production [3].

Conclusion

As we see, in the Soviet Union a substantial reserve was accumulated in the field of creating UBB. The withdrawal of our partners from the ABM Treaty now allows us to open wide the doors to the creation of such systems. Both the means to break through missile defense, and to increase the accuracy of destruction of stationary and mobile targets, including self-guided BCPR for striking the AUG ...

According to fragmentary information from open sources, these works are not forgotten, and UBB development is underway! So, over time, we may learn that the first missiles with UBB stood on combat duty and it does not matter in which implementation - in the form of ICBMs on submarines or PGRK. This will also include a decent asymmetric response and against AUG of potential opponents. Bravo, Russia!

Literature (links)
1. About rocket mythology. Army Gazette
2. Half a century of the Elbrus 9K72 rocket complex. Military Review.
3. The history of creating one of the country's first precision weapons system. Military Review.
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  1. StolzSS
    StolzSS 29 November 2013 07: 15 New
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    Great minds did great things! However, there is hope! drinks
    1. Civil
      Civil 1 December 2013 10: 38 New
      +1
      interesting aerophone
  2. Rus2012
    29 November 2013 07: 36 New
    +3
    Topol-E rocket flight over Yekaterinburg October 10, 2013

    According to Interfax, around this time, the military launched a Topol ballistic missile at the Kapustin Yar training ground. Most likely, one of the rocket stages burned down over Yekaterinburg (the empty fuel stages shoot back and burn up in the atmosphere).
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov 29 November 2013 19: 17 New
      +1
      The explanation is beautiful about Poplar, only Kapustin Yar is in the south-west of Koltsovo, and the visible course is to the south, that is, not from the landfill but towards it ... but the electorate does not care where the cardinal points are, it is disoriented.
      In reality, the high-altitude explosion of a small comet is a cumulative thermonuclear explosion, a very beautiful physics.
      1. Rus2012
        29 November 2013 22: 59 New
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        Quote: Volkhov
        In reality, the high-altitude explosion of a small comet is a cumulative thermonuclear explosion, a very beautiful physics.

        laughing
        No, dear colleague!
        Forced to disappoint, this is really a Topol-E flight along the internal route KapYar-Balkhash. A beautiful picture with a twist is the separation of the stage (when the pressure relief windows in the combustion chamber are cut off)
        1. Volkhov
          Volkhov 30 November 2013 01: 39 New
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          We are unlikely to be colleagues - open a map, for example Yandex, find Cap.Yar (70 km north of Astrakhan), Balkhash (in Kazakhstan), Yekaterinburg (in the Urals) and the orientation of Koltsovo terminals in the area - heading south, that is, arriving from the north under at an angle of about 40 degrees to the ecliptic towards the Sun - a piece of ice due to the orbit of Jupiter.
          The Topol steps are discarded on the ascending branch of the ballistic curve near the start and do not turn into steam, but fly further along its path and fall.
          There is a universal explanation, proven over the years "The light of Venus reflected from the moon ..."and you shouldn't leave him - if people think about it, they won't go for a haircut.
    2. svp67
      svp67 1 December 2013 10: 44 New
      +2
      So it’s better ....


      1. Volkhov
        Volkhov 2 December 2013 04: 39 New
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        This is another case, a pure demonstration, like over China - show what we stand without our space. Accidentally getting a comet into a horizontal corridor is almost impossible. If it had decreased, there would have been a Sinai.
  3. Ascetic
    Ascetic 29 November 2013 09: 41 New
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    In 1987, work began on the Albatross complex. This topic was seen as a further development of the technology of guided warheads. A distinctive feature of the new warhead was its ability to glide in the atmosphere on the wings, which made it possible to approach the target at a relatively low altitude, while actively maneuvering. By 1991, the first products for testing were supposed to appear, but soon "perestroika processes" began and it is not known how the matter ended ...


    Initially, under this code was called PGRK 15P170.
    Decree of the Government of the CCCR No. 173-45 of February 9, 1987 prescribed creation combat missile system "Albatross"capable of overcoming the promising multi-layered US missile defense system, the creation of which was announced by the administration of President R. Reagan. There were three options for basing this complex:mobile soil, stationary mine and mobile railway.
    The rocket had three stages and was equipped with winged warhead with a nuclear charge capable of flying up to targets at a sufficiently low altitude and maneuvering at the target. Worked on this topic then at NPO Mash under the leadership of Herbert Efremov. This warhead in narrow circles is referred to as "Efremov's bird" The missile complex project itself was closed under Gorbachev in connection with the START-1 treaty. With regard to new strategic developments, START I only modernization was allowed and only one type of solid fuel rocket light class (and in extremely tight overall weight limits), provided it was equipped with only one warhead. ... On September 9, 1989, in the development of the government decree of February 9, 1987, the Military-Industrial Complex Decision No. 323 was issued, which prescribed the creation of two new RCs instead of the Albatross RC: a mobile ground and stationary mine with a three-stage solid-propellant missile universal for both complexes, created as a modernization of RT ICBMs -2PM (15Zh58). The new theme was named "Universal", and the rocket - the index RT-2PM2 (15Ж65). That is, the well-known Topol-M, and BB Efremov did the same and he passed successful tests if memory serves. Then discussions began with Solomonov about the stage of the BB breeding and the principle of BB separation, but this is another topic. The main thing is that the winged BB, "Efremov's bird," exists and is probably in the storage facilities of RTB missile divisions.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 29 November 2013 09: 42 New
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      It is also called the more accurately planning winged block (PKB), that is, without engines and created according to a unique aerodynamic design. The highlight of the “Albatross” was the launch trajectory with an entry angle of only a few degrees, for the formation of which the launch vehicle practically did not go beyond an altitude of 250-300 km. So, the very fact of the launch could still be fixed, but it is impossible to predict the trajectory and issue a target designation for interception. PCB flight took place at the atmospheric boundary due to kinetic energy so that the aerodynamic forces were sufficient for flight and maneuver, and plasma formation did not impede sighting. Those. The PCB was not fixed against the background of space. Maneuvering along the course did not allow predicting the point of meeting with the missile defense, and hypersonic marching speed did not allow to hit PCB along a catching-up trajectory. Neither in those years, nor today there is no means to defeat such a PCB.Small angles of entry into the PSA and the hypersonic speed of the BB began to be realized already with the "Molodets" and "Topol (.)". It was due to these qualities that the overcoming of the US missile defense system was realized. Special devices are built in from the oncoming and lateral explosion of the anti-missile, and the overtaking wave from the nuclear explosive, alas, did not catch up with them. The same is being implemented now on "YARS" e, and even more abruptly will be (depending on the modification). ideas of the "Albatross" diverged to other systems to their advantage, and he himself was closed, probably even before the LKI. And the names of the ideas remained sound like albatross.
  4. anykind
    anykind 29 November 2013 09: 49 New
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    http://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2013-11/1385670674_r36.jpg
    Our warheads were collected by the Americans ??? Outsourcing?)))))))))))))))
    1. Rus2012
      29 November 2013 13: 49 New
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      Quote: anykind
      Our warheads were collected by the Americans ??? Outsourcing?)))))))))))))))

      ... :(
      Is this along MX?
      Bi..t, the source failed! I repent !!!
      1. vinni
        vinni 29 November 2013 14: 26 New
        +1
        Well, you shouldn’t particularly repent ... The topic is rather scrupulous, if you can still read something (see, hear, etc.) on the media itself, then the military equipment is always a closed topic, it’s understandable ... On our everything happens in the same way as in these pictures
    2. Rus2012
      29 November 2013 22: 51 New
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      Quote: anykind
      Our warheads were collected by the Americans ??? Outsourcing?)))))))))))))))

      "Minus throwers" !!!
      No need to put "cons" anykind for this post, he was the first to notice errors in the material !!!
      Bet Better ++++++++++
  5. tchoni
    tchoni 29 November 2013 11: 32 New
    +2
    It's nice that the topic is not forgotten because the nuclear shield is the key to the independence of the nation.
  6. vinni
    vinni 29 November 2013 14: 19 New
    +3
    I will support the respected Ascetic ... The PKB theme, indeed, lives and lives, this combat equipment for our ICBMs is being improved. I must note that in addition to the actual combat unit of the NGO Mash, an option was also considered of an ultra-long interceptor for KR carriers (with the aim of destroying groups of strata. B-52 bombs before the launch lines of the KR), it was also a very interesting topic ... So I touched on the part hypersonic planning aircraft with high hypersonic aerodynamic quality was obtained then considerable, I hope, not lost at all. Now, regarding the images shown, on both of them is the installation (possibly servicing) of the Mk-21 warheads for the ICBM LGM-18A MX (removed from service under the agreement)
    1. Rus2012
      29 November 2013 15: 05 New
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      Quote: vinni
      Now, with regard to the images shown, on both of them is mounting (possibly servicing) the Mk-21 warheads for the LGM-18A MX ICBMs (decommissioned under the contract)

      Right! see - http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Weapons/W87.html
      Mk-21 RVs mounted on a Peacekeeper (MX) bus. The W87 warhead itself is not visible ..

      for consolation, MS R-36M2 ICBM 15A18M - RS-20V - SS-18 "Satan" mod.5 & 6 - "Voyevoda".
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 29 November 2013 17: 25 New
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        Here is the breeding platform, the fancy "bus" of the Peacemaker,



        He is with BB



        And this is Minuteman-3 simple and without frills as the first mobile phone

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  8. JackTheRipper
    JackTheRipper 29 November 2013 16: 32 New
    +1
    Some experiments have begun ... They want to make almost a heavy "Satan" out of a fairly light "Poplar", but no one has yet canceled the laws of physics, so you need to go to the level of the Soviet * (if we are talking about solid-propellant ICBMs) RS-22 (warhead weight 4t), then we can talk about some kind of progress. It is clear that now it makes no sense to churn out 300+ new heavy ICBMs of the RS-22 analogues, but it is no longer possible to "squeeze all the juices" out of the Topol - no one has canceled the technical limits.
    1. Rus2012
      29 November 2013 18: 55 New
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      Quote: JackTheRipper
      but it is no longer possible to "squeeze all the juices" out of "Poplar" - nobody canceled the technical limits.


      ... dear colleague, a new heavy rocket on a liquid-propellant engine, the "hundred-ton" one, is already being created with might and main.
      An improved prototype, as I understood, UR100UTTH And, by the same people + Makeevtsy
      1. kenvas
        kenvas 29 November 2013 21: 31 New
        +1
        UR100UTTKh development "YUZHMASH" and Makeyevtsy always made PLBR (Sineva, Liner, Bark, RSM-52-SS-N-20 Sturgeon) and if you meant UR-100, then this is the Khrunichev State Research and Production Space Center
        1. Rus2012
          29 November 2013 22: 17 New
          +1
          Quote: kenvas
          Ur-xnumx

          UR-100 (as well as UR-200, UR-500 "Proton") - developments of NPO Mashinostroeniya (Reutov), ​​General designer Chelomey V.N.
          It was produced in series at the Khrunichev factory, Moscow
          UTX - means with improved performance characteristics.
          See the site of NPO Mashinostroeniya - http://www.npomash.ru/history/ru/history.htm
          1963 to 1967 the enterprise developed and commissioned a missile system with an ammunized light-class ICBM UR-100. By 1970, about 1000 of UR-100 missiles were put on combat duty, which achieved the parity of the strategic forces of our country and the USA. Until the mid-80-s, the enterprise created and put into service several modifications of missile systems with ICBMs of this class (UR-100K, UR-100U, UR-100N, UR-100N UTTH). The missile system with ICBMs UR-100N UTTH (RS-18B) is still on alert duty. Its life has been extended over thirty years.
          1. Rus2012
            29 November 2013 22: 43 New
            +1
            добавление
            And why the Makeyevites were involved in the creation of a new heavy rocket with LPRE, moreover, as the lead ones, the answer is simple - they had a serial plant in Krasnoyarsk. NPO Mashinostroyenia, alas, due to scrapes at the higher echelons (and after Chelomey's death) lost the serial plant for the production of ICBMs, as well as the very topic of ICBMs. But, we have kept all promising groundwork. Including those mentioned by the respected Ascetic - "Efremov's bird", the groundwork for the BPKR, the unique "intellect of a wolf pack" of Granites ...
            1. kenvas
              kenvas 30 November 2013 02: 06 New
              +1
              Thanks for the clarification, I was surprised why the "mace" was taken from the Makeev center and given to MTT, who had no experience with PLBR at all, an incomprehensible step of the Ministry of Defense. Or maybe lobbying ... Makeyevites with Sineva and Liner simply created a masterpiece of rocketry for carrier submarines ...
              1. Onyx
                Onyx 30 November 2013 10: 19 New
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                Quote: kenvas
                Makeevtsy with Sineva and Liner simply created a masterpiece of rocket science for submarines carriers ...

                If they created the same masterpiece, only on solid fuel, they would not have a price
                1. Rus2012
                  30 November 2013 11: 24 New
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                  Quote: Onyx
                  solid fuel

                  Clarify the pliz fate of the R-39UTTH ("Bark") Makeevtsev ...
                  And was it necessary to convey the theme to Solomon?
                  Who stumbled on the Bulava
                  1. Onyx
                    Onyx 30 November 2013 15: 37 New
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                    Bark, as you and I well know, had mass and dimensional characteristics that would require the construction of huge nuclear submarines, the same as the Shark project.
              2. Rus2012
                30 November 2013 11: 21 New
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                Quote: kenvas
                I was surprised why the "mace" was taken from the Makeyev center and given to MTT, who had no experience with PLBR at all, an incomprehensible step of the Ministry of Defense. Or maybe lobbying ...

                ... pure lobbying IMHO.
                The Urals are far, Msk is close!
                Then, nevertheless, the Makeyevites were forced to be involved in the Bulava theme ..
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  9. Moore
    Moore 29 November 2013 16: 53 New
    +2
    I allow myself some comments about some of the allegations and assumptions of the author.
    This site seems to have caused the nickname "Satan", but maybe I'm wrong.

    You are mistaken. The nickname was received not for the alleged capabilities of UBB (more likely not controlled (who controls it?), But a maneuvering combat unit), but for real TTX products, including its color.
    Practically, UBB combined the properties of an unmanned spacecraft and a hypersonic unmanned aircraft. The concept of radio control for such a product is absurd. All actions both in space and during a flight in the atmosphere, this device must perform autonomously.

    Comparison with a hypersonic aircraft is unlawful due to the absence on the product of one of the main features of the aircraft - the engine, which distinguishes it, for example, simply from a glider. Steering taxiways - not counted.
    In 1987, work began on the Albatross complex. This topic was seen as a further development of guided warhead technology. A distinctive feature of the new warhead was its ability to glide in the atmosphere on the wings, which made it possible to approach the target at a relatively low altitude, while actively maneuvering.

    Planning from, in fact, outer space entails a huge number of difficult problems. The main one, perhaps, is the thermal protection of the product. "Slow down" the BB from a speed of 6-7M to 1-2M and glide at a "relatively low altitude, while actively maneuvering" - you know if he has hemorrhoids. In ballistic firing, an AP with a rounded nose simply creates a plasma layer in front of it, which also protects it. Everything is more complicated here - well, maybe a little simpler than that of "Buran". We need non-standard solutions for thermal protection of BB.
    All, of course, IMHO.
  10. xomaNN
    xomaNN 29 November 2013 17: 50 New
    +2
    Related topic wink I also remembered my mini on-board computer in the "product" from my thesis. From the standpoint of the present time, of course, ridiculous characteristics of circuitry and microcircuits were laid down.
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  13. Cristall
    Cristall 29 November 2013 18: 56 New
    +1
    I did not know that all the documentation was handed over.
    Is it true that the South-Dnepropetrovsk residents go on missile maintenance? Although they have not been young for a long time, although they are doing a replacement, but not as much as we would like.
    1. Rus2012
      29 November 2013 22: 33 New
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      Quote: Cristall
      Is it true that the South-Dnepropetrovsk residents go on missile maintenance?

      They are driving ...
      Only for the P-36 "Satan" complex and rather for some routine maintenance and revisions.
  14. SPACE
    SPACE 29 November 2013 20: 58 New
    +2
    According to the people from Rosatom, they have neutrino technologies that directly control the course of nuclear reactions in the reactor! Based on this, it is possible to draw a conclusion about works related to the defense sphere, for example: If a neutrino detector is placed on a military satellite of the OKO type in a GSO orbit, this will make it possible to observe and determine the neutrino radiation concentration beams on the surface of the earth and ocean and, accordingly, select them on core background. This makes it possible to determine and continuously monitor the nuclear reactors of strategic nuclear submarines and aircraft carriers with the highest accuracy and issue continuous target designations! Perhaps for this reason the Mace has some properties that make it not only a strategic carrier, but also an operational means of hitting moving targets, and the development of maneuvering warheads, which make it possible not only to evade missile defense systems, but also suggest what states in articles RUS2012.
  15. Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 30 November 2013 00: 01 New
    +1
    Quote: SPACE
    According to the people from Rosatom, they have neutrino technologies that directly control the course of nuclear reactions in the reactor! Based on this, it is possible to draw a conclusion on works related to the defense sphere, for example: If a neutrino detector is placed on a military satellite of the OKO type in a GSO orbit, this will make it possible to observe and determine the neutrino radiation concentration beams on the surface of the earth and ocean and accordingly select them on core background. This makes it possible to determine and continuously monitor the nuclear reactors of strategic nuclear submarines and aircraft carriers with the highest accuracy and issue continuous target designations! Perhaps for this reason the Mace has some properties that make it not only a strategic carrier, but also an operational means of hitting moving targets, the development of maneuvering BBs which make it possible not only to evade missile defense systems, but also suggest what states in articles RUS2012.
    It will not work on the satellite. A neutrino detector is not a transportable thing (the smallest one has dimensions of several tens of meters and a weight of thousands of tons). For a neutrino particle interacts extremely weakly with matter. So, the "Rosatom" people over a glass of tea visited noodles :)
    1. SPACE
      SPACE 30 November 2013 13: 23 New
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      Quote: Bersaglieri
      So, the "Rosatom" people over a glass of tea visited noodles :)

      It was an interview for the press, it should be on the internet.
      Quote: Bersaglieri
      It’s impossible to place on the satellite. A neutrino detector is not transportable (the smallest one has dimensions of several tens of meters and weight of thousands of tons).

      In the same interview, it was argued that Russia has and offers, including abroad, nuclear reactor control systems that allow an order of magnitude more accurate and more efficient control of the reaction in the core. This allows you to increase the safety of the reactor, and not a few thousand and hundreds of tons were discussed. By the way, a method was developed for BN reactors.
      It is only required to register them and determine the direction from where it flew. Thus, to receive something like a photograph of the earth or region in the neutrino spectrum, which, in turn, should change little over time, but if there are any small deviations in the ocean zone, the so-called anomaly, they send an RTM that explores this region and determines its type and properties of the anomaly, and on the monitors of the GSh red enemy flags and green ones appear.
  16. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 30 November 2013 00: 39 New
    +2
    The guys left the details, the most important thing to think about. All the same, work on getting into the aircraft carrier was carried out and was quite successful! So not only the Chinese are so smart (to shoot the contours of a ship in the desert). And maybe such blocks are already on duty? This means that the significance of AUG in relation to us is not as great as it is described. Article +++. The most important thing is that it is not buried in dusty archives.
  17. Volkhov
    Volkhov 30 November 2013 07: 29 New
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    In the online magazine "Kopyuterra" No. 30 dated August 19, 2008, I came across an interesting article by Yuri Romanov "The Sword of the Voevoda"

    That is, the original article appeared in an Internet magazine, albeit a non-core but operational one, in publications at a time when the victory over Georgia caused a wave of condemning propaganda in the world and it was necessary to urgently recall the big club, even in the magazine of system administrators, hackers and gamers - so and did it - instantly spat on secrecy and talked about an interesting technique, unbreakable by "Patriot".
    If the article is now repeated and supplemented, then the crisis is looming again and a reminder is needed ... in Russia, traditionally, sales of baseball bats are orders of magnitude higher than sales of baseballs ...
    Only the train has left - the missiles are now being shot down on acceleration and will not be able to maneuver the block - it will fall with a step.
    1. Onyx
      Onyx 30 November 2013 10: 26 New
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      Quote: Volkhov
      Only the train has left - the missiles are now being shot down on acceleration and will not be able to maneuver the block - it will fall with a step.

      It is in the fantasies of the Pentagon strategists that they shoot down missiles at dispersal. This is possible against liquid rockets, and then with respect to small countries, but against solid rockets it is useless. They have a burnout time of three minutes or less. This is not enough to detect and destroy such missiles. By the way, on the upper stage, our new ICBMs also know how to maneuver: watch from 0:50
      1. Rus2012
        30 November 2013 11: 34 New
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        Quote: Onyx
        It’s in the fantasies of the Pentagon strategists that they shoot down rockets to disperse

        ... given the following phrase of the respected Ascetic -
        The highlight of the “Albatross” was the launch trajectory with an entry angle of only a few degrees, for the formation of which the launch vehicle practically did not go beyond the height of 250-300 km. So, the very fact of the launch could still be fixed, but it is impossible to predict the trajectory and issue a target designation for interception.

        and one more thing - modern American interceptor missiles of kinetic interception (weighing 60 kg, capable of working out a "miss" / error in calculating the target trajectory of 1 km per 1000), there will not be enough resources and energy to pair off-design flight characteristics of our missiles ...
        It’s one thing to knock down your own satellites with orbit parameters known with the greatest accuracy, another thing is alien rockets, where any parameter is a mystery ...
      2. Volkhov
        Volkhov 30 November 2013 12: 55 New
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        The Pentagon does not need to shoot down Russian missiles - we are their colony, it shoots down the enemy and liquid in the Mediterranean and solid fuel in the White ... and not from below but from above and not by a warhead but by a beam, but it will not help relativistic maneuvers.
        It was necessary to teach physics, and not to attach their people to science.
        Missiles do not fly zigzag from Astrakhan to Kazakhstan through the Urals, but along a curve in the firing plane, and when the plane passes through the firing range - a good journey, and when through a populated target that hurts - then stop on acceleration.
        1. 1c-inform-city
          1c-inform-city 30 November 2013 15: 03 New
          +2
          And who is being pulled by bunches from above, the most important thing from what. You must have seen enough promotional films about SOI.
        2. Onyx
          Onyx 30 November 2013 15: 59 New
          +1
          Quote: Volkhov
          The Pentagon does not need to shoot down Russian missiles - we are their colony

          Nothing is eternal. And the US understands this better than us.
          Quote: Volkhov
          It was necessary to teach physics, and not to attach their people to science.

          Is that you, me?
          Quote: Volkhov
          Missiles do not fly in zigzag from Astrakhan to Kazakhstan through the Urals

          Did I say the opposite?
          Quote: Volkhov
          and not from below but from above and not by a warhead but by a bundle, but it is relativistic and maneuver will not help.

          What bunch do not tell me? If you mean the laser, then this is also from the realm of fiction. The platform with a combat laser, located in low orbit, moves with great speed relative to the earth and from the moment the rocket is launched until it is discovered, it will have time to move away from the launch site a long distance and its laser will not reach the rocket. Such systems will need to be placed in orbit thousands that at least one at a given moment in time was above the detected rocket, gaining altitude. So all of these orbiting laser lasers - at least in the foreseeable future, are unlikely to be any efficient. And let's not forget that our missiles themselves, in particular the Mace, have protection against laser exposure (this, by the way, required a little sacrifice of the cast mass).
          Quote: Volkhov
          and along a curve in the shooting plane and when the plane passes through the training ground - a good journey, and when through a populated target that hurts - then stop on acceleration.

          What do you mean "populated target that hurts" and "acceleration stop"?
          1. Volkhov
            Volkhov 30 November 2013 21: 54 New
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            Quote: Onyx
            Is that you, me?

            Not to you, of course, but to the current government - they rule education and science.
            For the rest - they know in more detail that everything was even worse and frankly put a suitcase with the abbreviation PWO (People War Open) on Red Square near the candlestick on Hanukkah.
            1. Onyx
              Onyx 30 November 2013 22: 47 New
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              So it is already disassembled
              1. Volkhov
                Volkhov 30 November 2013 23: 03 New
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                Therefore, they understand that the signal is frank, but everyone who wanted to - noticed.
                1. Onyx
                  Onyx 1 December 2013 10: 14 New
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                  Quote: Volkhov
                  Therefore, they understand that the signal is frank, but everyone who wanted to - noticed.

                  I can also choose any decryption for this abbreviation
      3. postman
        postman 2 December 2013 03: 58 New
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        Quote: Onyx
        This is possible against liquid rockets, and then with respect to small countries, but against solid rockets it is useless

        What are you saying ....
        Quote: Onyx
        They have a burnout time of three minutes or less.

        And what prevents the fuel from "burning out" for the same time for the rocket engine?

        For reference:

        1.

        2. LRE has a fundamental advantage: always outnumber rockets с TTRD for energy-mass excellence

        Quote: Onyx
        By the way, on the upper stage, our new ICBMs also know how to maneuver: watch from 0:50

        ??
        From 0:50 "this is not maneuvering" this is "the desire to keep the mobile launcher" (and the realization of this desire)
        "Poplar" cannot "maneuver" on the acceleration section, it is "weak", everything is squeezed out to keep within the weight and size and the specified MPN
        1. Onyx
          Onyx 3 December 2013 00: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: Postman
          What are you saying ....

          What am I saying?
          Quote: Postman
          And what prevents the fuel from "burning out" for the same time for the rocket engine?

          You can burn out in less time, but only the rocket will not be able to gain the required speed.
          Quote: Postman
          For reference:
          1.

          The picture is beautiful and nothing more
          Quote: Postman
          2. Have a liquid-propellant rocket engine there is a fundamental advantage: rockets with turbojet engines are always superior in energy-mass perfection

          And TT missiles have a fundamental advantage: they always surpass missiles with LRE in thrust-weight ratio.
          Quote: Postman
          From 0:50 "this is not maneuvering" this is "the desire to keep the mobile launcher" (and the realization of this desire)

          What are you speaking about?
          1. postman
            postman 4 December 2013 14: 07 New
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            Quote: Onyx
            What am I saying?

            Stupidity say:
            "This is possible against liquid-propellant missiles, and then in relation to small countries, buto Against solid rockets it's useless"
            Quote: Onyx
            but the rocket will not be able to pick up the required speed.

            With a fright?
            The rocket is gaining the required speed thanks to tractionE, and thrust in the LRE
            ALWAYS more (was and will be) than TTRD
            Quote: Onyx
            The picture is beautiful and nothing more

            turn on the brain at least occasionally, there about impulse, the essence is max speed, traction, energy perfection

            Quote: Onyx
            And TT missiles have a fundamental advantage: they always surpass missiles with LRE in thrust-weight ratio.

            Yes....
            клиника

            Quote: Onyx
            The picture is beautiful and nothing more
            .
            Why did I give a picture? turn on the brain, you are still not a mating female, in order to react to a bright, analyze the "beautiful" picture

            DO NOT THINK WHERE THREAD TO REPEAT THIS HERESY, except for "topvar" of course

            Quote: Onyx
            What are you speaking about?

            you wrote
            Quote: Onyx
            By the way, our new ICBMs are also able to maneuver at the booster section: watch from 0:50

            Delirium
            1. Do not "know how"
            2.Top it can not in principle
            3.Less watch sweet stories from the lieutenant colonel’s storyteller, especially at night
  18. andr327
    andr327 30 November 2013 23: 31 New
    +1
    A lot of talk about missiles and warheads, but the issues of operation and maintenance that ensure the readiness of these missiles have been forgotten. missiles and warheads are wonderful, but the fact that they support readiness is sorry, but to be in one place. A pebble in a frame is lovely, but here is a rim full of shit, in which the military swim.
  19. andr327
    andr327 4 December 2013 22: 12 New
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    minus one: let's see how Yars on the database becomes
  20. Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 5 December 2013 14: 30 New
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    Quote: SPACE
    Quote: Bersaglieri
    So, the "Rosatom" people over a glass of tea visited noodles :)

    It was an interview for the press.

    Clear. The same "crap" as "torsion generators" :)