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Why Russia discouraged Moldova from signing an association agreement with the EU is not as active as Ukraine?

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European officials after the actual failure of the "integration" of Ukraine decided to shift their attention to those whose economic corpses already nailed to the European savings. One of these countries today is Moldova, whose leadership did not dare to freeze (following the example of the Ukrainian leadership) an association agreement with the EU. Why did not dare? Well, at least, because from Russia there were no special, let's say, warnings on this subject. Kiev, all the drawbacks of signing a free trade zone agreement with the EU was described much more vividly and colorfully - this is a fact.


But why in Moscow they didn’t “explain popularly” to official Chisinau all the difficulties Moldova may have if the latter get under the economic wing ’of Brussels?

Why Russia discouraged Moldova from signing an association agreement with the EU is not as active as Ukraine?


Firstly, the Moldovan leadership managed to hook itself by the presence of an unresolved (and in the present light unresolved) Transnistrian problem. The deterioration of relations with Tiraspol today is hitting any attempts by Chisinau to integrate with the West. As reported in a recent article on the “Military Review”, in the Pridnestrovskaia Moldavskaia Respublika more than 90% of residents support the desire to integrate with Russia and the Customs Union. And if today the Moldovan authorities are going to ignore the opinion of the absolute majority of the residents of Transnistria, then in what form will Moldova go to the European Union? If only in the one in which Georgia continues to go there today, that is, in "parts" ...

Of course, at a certain stage, hotheads hatched a plan that the West to Chisinau would help solve the Transnistrian issue. There are these heads in Moldova now. They propose to remove Russian peacekeepers from the Moldovan-Transnistrian border, replacing it with "international peacekeepers." They say that the Russians will leave here - we will quickly “agree” with Tiraspol with the help of “weighty arguments” and the support of our western partners. But Transnistria is clearly not going to embark on such “negotiations”.

Secondly, to discourage Moldova from European integration is somehow strange for the reason that the representatives of the political elite of Moldova are citizens of such a state as Romania, and Romania, we recall, is a member of the European Union. In the Constitutional Court of Moldova, five out of six judges have Romanian passports. And some time ago, the former speaker of the Moldovan parliament and the former acting president. President of the country Mihai Ghimpu concerning the citizenship of the judges of the Constitutional Court stated that he would have been in favor only if the Constitutional Court had held the unification of Moldova and Romania. As they say, no comment ...

Romanian citizens, according to the Moldovan press, are such high-ranking officials as the leader of the LDPM faction in parliament Valeriu Strelet, Moldova’s representative to the PACE Anna Gutu (the one who actively tries to replace the notion “Moldovan language” with the notion “Romanian”), Interior Minister Alexei Roibu, Deputy Chairman of the Central Election Commission Stefan Urytu. There are a considerable number of citizens of Romania among the “ordinary” parliamentarians.

Moldovan citizens themselves about the presence of Romanian innocuous statements agree that the “sovereign people” of Moldova are preparing a “straw” to put it under a soft spot in case of a fall. Moldovan lawyer Anatol Plugaru speaks more specifically. According to him, the dual citizenship of Moldovan officials is a direct path to promoting the interests of another country.

It should be recalled that the dual citizenship for high-ranking officials in Moldova in 2007, thanks to the initiative of the Communist deputies, was banned. Dissatisfied (and, characteristically, among the officials themselves) were quickly found. They filed a lawsuit in the Strasbourg Court of the illegality of the decision prohibiting the second authority to have a second passport. The Strasbourg court, which was to be expected, reacted in the “right” direction - the ban order was canceled. And now even a president can be a citizen of another state in Moldova, even though the chairman of the government ...

This state of affairs, so to say, provoked ordinary citizens, who became increasingly active in the direction of obtaining a second citizenship. According to the chairman of KROM (Congress of Russian Communities of Moldova) Valery Klimenko, every month 700-800 of Moldovan families (not individuals, but families) submit petitions for the granting of Russian citizenship. And if two or three years ago, Russian citizenship was tried to get mainly in Transnistria (if you consider Transnistria de jure part of Moldova), then today residents of other Moldovan regions are trying to become the holders of a second passport.

Obtain a second citizenship in Moldova is clearly trying not to a good life. According to the latest data, the economic growth recorded by 4 (quite good, by the way, indicators by today's standards) of Moldova is mainly associated with remittances from Moldovan guest workers. The money comes from those who work in Russia, Ukraine, in the European Union countries. In other words, the Moldovan economy rests on people who leave the country to work. Given the rather specific state of affairs, it turns out that economic prosperity for Moldova is possible only if the majority of its citizens leave to work outside the state ... Such an economic paradox ...

Indeed, in such conditions, it is somewhat strange to have any talk that Moldova will lose by signing an association agreement with the EU. In fact, there is nothing to lose ... Many, as they say, economically active citizens master foreign labor markets. Someone is waiting for a passport of a citizen of Russia or of the same Romania to take out their business from Moldova (according to the latest data, even Moldovan apiaries are being transported). And by and large, anyway, anyway, Chisinau will sign an agreement with the European Union or will not sign. All the same, it seems that the Moldovan authorities, who do not even interfere with the mass departure from the country at all, say, but at least they will send the “denyuzhku” in the form of transfers along with “big greetings” to the country. Those who live and work in Moldova, it seems, do not care, but the authorities are not going to ask their opinions. The main message is: the EU will give us the golden mountains, and if it does not, we will take it ourselves - well, at least through obtaining Romanian citizenship and moving “all Moldova” to Bucharest ...

PS A few hours before the opening of the EU summit in Vilnius, Romanian Prime Minister Traian Basescu said that the main task for Romania today is the accession of Moldova.
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  1. makarov
    makarov 29 November 2013 07: 00 New
    +8
    And which one already differs, whether "actively" or "passively". Moldova signed the association, and after the fight they don't wave their fists .......
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 07: 39 New
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      Quote: makarov
      . Moldova signed the association, but after the fight they don’t wave their fists ....

      This is why they don’t wave, even as they wavewink
      Russia may begin the process of recognizing the independence of Transnistria after the summit in Vilnius.This was stated by Russian State Duma deputy Sergei Gavrilov at a "round table" yesterday in Moscow, in which representatives of the region and Russian experts participated.http://news.mail.ru/inworld/moldova/politics/15855439/ На очереди Гагаузия belay
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 29 November 2013 09: 42 New
        10
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Russia may begin the process of recognizing the independence of Transnistria after the summit in Vilnius. This was stated by Russian State Duma deputy Sergei Gavrilov at a "round table" yesterday in Moscow, which was attended by representatives of the region and Russian experts.http: //news.mail.ru/inworld/ moldova / politics / 15855439 / Next Gagauzia

        I think that the situation is rather ambiguous.
        Citizens of Transnistria for travel outside their country (?) Are forced to obtain a Moldovan passport. It is also difficult to "reproach" Gagauzov for political activity. And geographically, both Transnistria and "Gagauzia" are far from Russia. This is not a Kaliningrad enclave, and even not Abkhazia and South Ossetia. The geopolitical link Russia-Ukraine-Transnistria (with Gagauzia) could have turned out, but the Ukrainians themselves do not know what they need. So it will be, administratively fragmented Moldova, running along the Romanian highway like a stray dog.
      2. Akim
        Akim 29 November 2013 09: 52 New
        -43 qualifying.
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Russia may begin the process of recognizing the independence of Transnistria after the summit in Vilnius.

        On what basis?
        1. Veter
          Veter 29 November 2013 10: 15 New
          43
          Quote: Akim
          On what basis?

          On the same, on which the USA recognized the independence of Kosovo ...
          1. Akim
            Akim 29 November 2013 10: 41 New
            -23 qualifying.
            Quote: Veter
            On the same, on which the USA recognized the independence of Kosovo ...

            In Kosovo, the type was genocide of the ethnic population. By the same principle, Russia recognized Abkhazia and South Ossetia. And what is the ethnic population in Transnistria?
            1. Hudo
              Hudo 29 November 2013 11: 02 New
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              Quote: Akim
              In Kosovo, the type was genocide of the ethnic population.

              Quote: Akim
              And what is the ethnic population in Transnistria?


              Hm! In this case, it turns out that during the Transnistrian conflict, dummies climbed into Transnistria in order to genocide there without any (even ethnic reason). (Well, not for the same reason they climbed there armed, so that the inhabitants of Transnistria could be handed out a piece of mamalyga.)
              1. Akim
                Akim 29 November 2013 11: 09 New
                -27 qualifying.
                A conflict so long ago ... A weak argument.
                1. Hudo
                  Hudo 29 November 2013 11: 13 New
                  20
                  Quote: Akim
                  A conflict so long ago ... A weak argument.

                  Hm! Take it, God forbid, Russia’s troops, the conflict will be fresher and more covered.
                  Your argument does not dance, dear Akim, oh does not dance. Those wishing to become Guguts were not added to the PMR, and no prerequisites for this are expected.
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 29 November 2013 11: 26 New
                    -19 qualifying.
                    Quote: Hudo
                    Take it, God forbid, Russia’s troops, the conflict will be fresher and richer

                    What troops does Russia have there? 200 peacekeepers?
                    1. Hudo
                      Hudo 29 November 2013 11: 32 New
                      20
                      Quote: Akim
                      Quote: Hudo
                      Take it, God forbid, Russia’s troops, the conflict will be fresher and richer

                      What troops does Russia have there? 200 peacekeepers?


                      Remind me how many Russian peacekeepers were in South Ossetia? And then it ended with a lingering bunch and eating ties.
                      1. Akim
                        Akim 29 November 2013 11: 37 New
                        -11 qualifying.
                        Quote: Hudo
                        And then it ended with a lingering bunch and eating ties.

                        How will they deliver them in case you don’t bring Goopod, why?
                      2. Hudo
                        Hudo 29 November 2013 11: 47 New
                        +9
                        Quote: Akim
                        Quote: Hudo
                        And then it ended with a lingering bunch and eating ties.

                        How will they deliver them in case you don’t bring Goopod, why?


                        For starters, something like this.

                        The Armed Forces of Transnistria consist of motorized rifle, aviation, artillery, air defense units and units, special and rear support troops, the reserve is the structure of the People’s Militia.

                        In the PMR, there is a universal military duty, the term of military service is 1,5 years. Past conscripts form a reserve. In addition, part of the military serves under contract. The total number of armed forces of the PMR is from 5,0 to 7,5 thousand people. In the event of hostilities, the number can be quickly increased to 25 thousand people.

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                        I ask you to note that the motivation there is worthy to hang on the ears of mummies on occasion, just at the highest level, unlike corn-eating gypsies.

                        And in the future, since the peacekeepers are being kept there, In the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces, there is probably an inconspicuous daddy in the safe where the points are written "who, where, why" (c) And ask around there.
                      3. Akim
                        Akim 29 November 2013 11: 53 New
                        -16 qualifying.
                        Quote: Hudo
                        And in the future, since the peacekeepers are being kept there, In the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces, there is probably an inconspicuous daddy in the safe where the points are written "who, where, why" (c) And ask around there.

                        Transnistrians themselves are giving Moldovans a neck if Romania does not secretly support them. and we don’t really know the plans of the General Staffs. Subjectively assessing - the Russian troops do not have such an opportunity.
                      4. Hudo
                        Hudo 29 November 2013 12: 04 New
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                        Quote: Akim
                        Transnistrians themselves are giving Moldovans a neck if Romania does not secretly support them.


                        Be sure to support, as it was already! But they do it all one thing, the residents of the PMR have nowhere to run, and the mouse driven into a corner turns into a tiger. As soon as the coffins are brought to the country, corn will be allowed to go - the situation in the economy is not there, and Ceausescu still has not forgotten about the sad fate of Ceausescu.

                        Quote: Akim
                        and we don’t really know the plans of the General Staffs.


                        And this is good! For the mysterious General Staff! drinks

                        Quote: Akim
                        Subjectively assessing - the Russian troops do not have such an opportunity.


                        In my humble IMH, something will be thrown by the VTA, through the airspace "U". Lavrov will then explain this, for example, by the extreme necessity - you cannot trample against the Soviet school of diplomacy, and he is not the first to overcome such difficulties.
                      5. Akim
                        Akim 29 November 2013 12: 16 New
                        -8
                        Quote: Hudo
                        According to my humble IMX, a BTA will throw something through the airspace

                        I didn’t want to touch. But the airspace of Ukraine does not count? Has Austria closed its skies for NATO aircraft?
                      6. Hudo
                        Hudo 29 November 2013 12: 23 New
                        +9
                        Quote: Akim
                        Quote: Hudo
                        According to my humble IMX, a BTA will throw something through the airspace

                        I didn’t want to touch. But the airspace of Ukraine does not count? Has Austria closed its skies for NATO aircraft?


                        Dear Akim, you and I have embarked on a shaky ground of assumptions, but I will say the following will probably be like this: whoever got up first, that and slippers.
                      7. S-200
                        S-200 29 November 2013 13: 21 New
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                        Quote: Akim
                        I didn’t want to touch. But the airspace of Ukraine does not count? Has Austria closed its skies for NATO aircraft?

                        We deliver them - through Romania ...
                        The Marines of the Black Sea Fleet will capture the bridgehead on the coast, and then ...
                        according to the plan of the Russian General Staff -"Forțarea românii în lume!" wassat
                        ("Forcing Romanians to peace!") angry
                      8. Akim
                        Akim 29 November 2013 13: 56 New
                        +1
                        Quote: S-200
                        The Marines of the Black Sea Fleet will capture the bridgehead on the coast, and then ...

                        And if Romania will not formally participate, but simply to deceive?
                      9. Mister X
                        Mister X 29 November 2013 16: 30 New
                        +7
                        Quote: S-200
                        "Forțarea românii în lume!"

                        It’s very commendable that you learn languages.
                        How many languages ​​do you know - how many times are you human.
                        Let me tweak your quote.
                        The word "Romania" is spelled RomâniEi, and the word "peace" is translated as "pace".

                        Forțarea României spre incheerea păcii
                        Forcing Romania to make peace.
                        hi
                      10. Mister X
                        Mister X 29 November 2013 23: 52 New
                        +3
                        I am writing this post scriptum to the sounds of a festive salute
                        on the occasion of the signing of an association agreement with the EU.

                        The document has not yet been signed, but 2 days before
                        a stage was already mounted in the central square of Chisinau.
                        On it 29.11.2013 from 17-00 to 22-00 a grand concert takes place.
                        There is no limit to the triumph of the people.
                        You bet!
                        City Hall arranged 5 hours of the holiday at the expense of the city budget
                        (folk money, by the way).
                        And you go along the same central square - and you don’t get a tooth on a tooth
                        on the quality of the road surface.

                        Well, nothing, we will enter Europe and "abroad will help us"!
                        And roads will be repaired, and cheap gas will be given, and wine and tomatoes will be bought up.
                        Europeans will teach us not only to spit in urns, but also to fall into them.
                        Not only use the toilet, but also flush the water.
                        Go in the right direction, domnilore!
              2. ramzes1776
                ramzes1776 29 November 2013 16: 46 New
                +1
                Quote: Akim
                Subjectively assessing - the Russian troops do not have such an opportunity.

                And airborne for what, if not for such cases ???
              3. Akim
                Akim 29 November 2013 16: 50 New
                -2
                Quote: ramzes1776
                And airborne for what, if not for such cases ???

                But will they be thrown through space?
              4. ramzes1776
                ramzes1776 29 November 2013 17: 09 New
                +6
                Quote: Akim
                But will they be thrown through space?

                Don’t miss the type? Another plus one topic will be, besides gas supplies and European integration, for bargaining for yourself any preferences from Russia that you love.
              5. Akim
                Akim 29 November 2013 17: 19 New
                +1
                Quote: ramzes1776
                Type do not miss?


                And then I decide. It’s just not legal, without approval.
              6. my opinion
                my opinion 29 November 2013 20: 02 New
                +1
                1. The population of the PMR is mainly Russians.
                2. Look on the internet for a video of how Georgian police tried not to miss the Russian army.
              7. Akim
                Akim 29 November 2013 20: 15 New
                -3
                Quote: my opinion
                Look on the internet for a video of how Georgian police tried not to miss the Russian army.

                So what? You speak of this as if you took Berlin in May instead of our grandfathers. We are talking about a third party, because Russia and Transdniestria do not have common borders.
  2. Hudo
    Hudo 29 November 2013 12: 21 New
    -1
    Hudo (1) SU Today, 11:47 a.m. ↑


    Domnule gypsy laughing minus such a bummer angry fellow as you will be presented with gypsies in the PMR, you won’t correct! fool
  3. ymNIK1970
    ymNIK1970 29 November 2013 23: 02 New
    0
    Through Odessa.
  4. Vasek
    Vasek 29 November 2013 19: 28 New
    +2
    I doubt that Ukraine will miss the troops.
    Yes, and why? Moldovans do not like to fight and will not.
  • Arkan
    Arkan 29 November 2013 18: 54 New
    0
    Sclerosis and amnesia are the best friends of demagogues.
  • Vasek
    Vasek 29 November 2013 19: 25 New
    +1
    Do not shit, Hudo!
    In Transnistria, almost half are Moldovans, and in Moldova there are as many Russian-speakers.
    And then the bullish one in the photo with the flags "Europa!" there is the same stupid youth as in Kiev.
    For TS stands about 40% of the population.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 11: 05 New
    10
    Quote: Akim

    In Kosovo, the type was genocide of the ethnic population.

    The main word is TYPE.
    Quote: Akim
    And what is the ethnic population in Transnistria?

    and there, unlike the Romanians who settled in Chisinau, Moldavans live hi
    1. Akim
      Akim 29 November 2013 11: 13 New
      -12 qualifying.
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      and there, unlike the Romanians who settled in Chisinau, Moldavans live

      Assess the current situation. Or do you want to achieve a goal to provoke a new armed conflict? In the meantime, there are no prerequisites for making a decision on recognition.
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 29 November 2013 11: 20 New
        10
        Quote: Akim
        In the meantime, there are no prerequisites for making a decision on recognition.


        This is counteraction to NATO’s eastward movement - is this not a prerequisite?
        In the case of the Anschluss of Romania with Moldova, it becomes possible to shift the areas of the deployment of elements of the American missile defense - the combat-based information-control system Aegis ground-based - this is premise number 2.

        Again yours do not dance.
        1. Akim
          Akim 29 November 2013 11: 29 New
          -15 qualifying.
          Quote: Hudo
          In the case of the Anschluss of Romania with Moldova

          When it will be, if it will then speak.
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 29 November 2013 11: 33 New
            +9
            Quote: Akim
            Quote: Hudo
            In the case of the Anschluss of Romania with Moldova

            When it will be, if it will then speak.

            Prepare a sleigh in the summer - a proverb. I hope you heard?
            1. Akim
              Akim 29 November 2013 11: 38 New
              -9
              Quote: Hudo
              Prepare a sled in the summer - a proverb. I hope you heard?

              And do you participate in the preparation or just went out to chat?
            2. Hudo
              Hudo 29 November 2013 11: 53 New
              +8
              Again, you have nothing to cover? A flag, it’s not like an Israeli flag, but try to escape from the question by asking your own, completely abstract question. You somehow focus!

              AkimAbdullah, put your hands down. (C) laughing
            3. Akim
              Akim 29 November 2013 12: 03 New
              -8
              Quote: Hudo
              and puff off the question by asking your own, completely abstract question

              Because a stupid question - sorry. Why ask it, knowing the answer in advance. And who does not know this proverb?
            4. Hudo
              Hudo 29 November 2013 12: 06 New
              +7
              Quote: Akim
              And who does not know this proverb?

              Guilty, sir! I was convinced personally - everyone knows! laughing
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 15: 00 New
    +8
    Quote: Akim
    Or do you want to achieve a goal to provoke a new armed conflict?

    As history shows, we extinguish conflicts, not provoke.
    Quote: Akim
    In the meantime, there are no prerequisites for making a decision on recognition.

    Yes, I do not want to
  • vostok1982
    vostok1982 29 November 2013 11: 43 New
    +9
    In Transnistria, the Slavs live, in Gagauzia - Turkic-speaking. Using the people's right to self-determination, they can declare independence. And to recognize this independence or not is already the sovereign right of every people.
    1. Akim
      Akim 29 November 2013 11: 48 New
      -6
      Quote: vostok1982
      . Using the people's right to self-determination, they can declare independence.

      Kurds in Turkey also have this right. For this, precedents are needed. Now, if Moldova wants to unite with Romania, then please.
      1. vostok1982
        vostok1982 29 November 2013 13: 09 New
        +7
        Precedents? There are hundreds of them since 1918. Then decolonization and so on. Hundreds of peoples have exercised this right.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 15: 10 New
        +7
        Quote: Akim
        For this, precedents are needed.

        All you need is the desire of one of the superpowers to recognize the independence of a particular region and nothing more! Recognition of Transnistria by Ukraine will not yield anything, and recognition by Russia will create a new state hi
        1. Akim
          Akim 29 November 2013 15: 52 New
          -2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Recognition of Transnistria by Ukraine will not yield anything, and recognition by Russia will create a new state

          Ukraine does not recognize Transnistria, and Russia is a controversial issue.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 16: 36 New
            +6
            Quote: Akim

            Ukraine does not recognize Transnistria,

            It’s stupid for Ukraine to admit that they simply won’t take it seriously in the world. The State Department will say that this is a joke, and in Moscow they will simply smile.
            Quote: Akim
            , and Russia is a moot point.

            Already talking about it
            1. Akim
              Akim 29 November 2013 16: 43 New
              -3
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              The State Department will say that this is a joke, and in Moscow, just smile.

              But what about Kosovo and the island of Formosa? The State Department must have overlooked.
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 30 November 2013 06: 58 New
              +1
              Quote: Akim
              But what about Kosovo

              And Kosovo was recognized by one of the superpowers
  • Cherdak
    Cherdak 29 November 2013 15: 54 New
    +6
    The simplest sequence of actions:

    1. - Transnistria joins New Russia
    2. - New Russia is a member of the Russian Federation as a sovereign republic

    Legitimate, based on the results of the 2015 referendum
  • Cherdak
    Cherdak 29 November 2013 16: 00 New
    +9
    Here is predator.3  I suggested such an option. But this is realistic only by 2020.
    1. Akim
      Akim 29 November 2013 16: 07 New
      -5
      Quote: Cherdak
      But this is realistic only by 2020.

      All this to an alternative history site. The generation that was born in Ukraine will be 30 years old. As for Transnistria, you can only amuse your imagination.
      1. Platov
        Platov 29 November 2013 23: 15 New
        +1
        . The generation that was born in Ukraine will be 30 years old. The very time when the parents of the majority go to retirement, to Ukrainian and not European. They will live a couple of months on bread and water, scratch their turnips and Europe, and pick their shit with a diploma. Not all of them were made by Lobachevsky.
    2. vostok1982
      vostok1982 29 November 2013 16: 34 New
      +9
      History is cyclical. Therefore, most likely, it will be so. First, Crimea, then the Donbass and the Black Sea region, then Slobozhanshchina, then Central Ukriana in Kiev, then Podillia and Volyn. In the last round - Transcarpathia. But Galicia let the Poles leave. In the end, it was the Poles who built the cities there.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 16: 38 New
        +6
        Quote: vostok1982
        First Crimea, then Donbass and the Black Sea,

        There will be chaos first.
      2. Akim
        Akim 29 November 2013 16: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: vostok1982
        History is cyclical. Therefore, most likely, it will be so. First, Crimea, then Donbass and the Black Sea region, then Slobozhanshchina, then Central Ukriana in Kiev, then Podolia and Volyn

        That's why I respect the Russians. Opposition or power, but still defend Russia. And ours are putting their own kicks in the ass. Change the flag to Soviet. So it will be more honest.
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 29 November 2013 17: 34 New
          +4
          Quote: Akim
          . And ours are putting their own kicks in the ass.

          Their? It is unlikely! For me personally, everyone who advocates keeping the project "Ukraine" afloat due to the direct fault of which the destruction and human losses exceeded the losses of the Ukrainian SSR during the Second World War - at least NOT YOURSELF.
          1. Akim
            Akim 29 November 2013 18: 24 New
            -2
            Quote: Hudo
            Their? It is unlikely!

            I didn’t doubt you. Have you honestly checked the USSR flag. I also grieve for him, but he has not been around for a long time.
        2. Cristall
          Cristall 29 November 2013 17: 43 New
          +5
          Because we have all sorts of Tyagniboks pharyons - they are not against Russia as such (the gut is yapping thinly) but against the Russian-speaking in Ukraine and the Russian language. The called opposition, in our country, does not do what it is supposed to do. And it certainly interferes with the overall cause of the country. However, this is our internal problem, when people trust more slogans than deeds.
        3. Cristall
          Cristall 29 November 2013 17: 43 New
          0
          Because we have all sorts of Tyagniboks pharyons - they are not against Russia as such (the gut is yapping thinly) but against the Russian-speaking in Ukraine and the Russian language. The called opposition, in our country, does not do what it is supposed to do. And it certainly interferes with the overall cause of the country. However, this is our internal problem, when people trust more slogans than deeds.
        4. biglow
          biglow 29 November 2013 18: 03 New
          +6
          Quote: Akim
          Quote: vostok1982
          History is cyclical. Therefore, most likely, it will be so. First, Crimea, then Donbass and the Black Sea region, then Slobozhanshchina, then Central Ukriana in Kiev, then Podolia and Volyn

          That's why I respect the Russians. Opposition or power, but still defend Russia. And ours are putting their own kicks in the ass. Change the flag to Soviet. So it will be more honest.

          The Bendery regime is not ours and there are many people who accept the current Ukraine as a temporary misunderstanding to happiness ...
          1. Akim
            Akim 29 November 2013 18: 27 New
            0
            Quote: biglow
            and there are many such people who perceive present-day Ukraine as a temporary misunderstanding to happiness ...

            A lot of power, too. Therefore, we live like Obama’s in J ... in a dwelling.
      3. Cristall
        Cristall 29 November 2013 17: 36 New
        +1
        So no "Kemsky volosts" can be saved.
  • alone
    alone 29 November 2013 18: 31 New
    -3
    Quote: vostok1982
    In Transnistria, the Slavs live, in Gagauzia - Turkic-speaking. Using the people's right to self-determination, they can declare independence. And to recognize this independence or not is already the sovereign right of every people.


    this is separatism, East 1982! and from separatism to terrorism, one meter!
  • Simon
    Simon 29 November 2013 19: 45 New
    +1
    In Transnistria, the majority of Russians and Gagauz are mainly Russians
  • wow
    wow 29 November 2013 21: 18 New
    +2
    That's right - "like genocide ..."!
    1. Akim
      Akim 29 November 2013 21: 24 New
      -2
      Quote: yo-mine
      That's right - "like genocide ..."!

      I do not write extra words. if he didn’t think that this was a smeared occasion, TYPE would not write the words.
  • KuzmichDP
    KuzmichDP 29 November 2013 23: 55 New
    +1
    There was no genocide, it was invented by the Western media, and our sucker was gone, as always.
    1. Akim
      Akim 30 November 2013 05: 17 New
      0
      Quote: KuzmichDP
      There was no genocide, it was invented by the Western media, and our sucker was gone, as always.

      There, from all sides the population was destroyed. Be it Albanians, be it Serbs.
  • pawel1961
    pawel1961 30 November 2013 00: 30 New
    -1
    the most that is Orthodox.
  • abrakadabre
    abrakadabre 29 November 2013 11: 35 New
    +8
    De facto, the grounds for such steps are invented or sought by the weak. Strong, just do what they want. These are the realities. Russia is strong enough to solve such a problem.
    1. Akim
      Akim 29 November 2013 11: 43 New
      -11 qualifying.
      Quote: abrakadabre
      Russia is strong enough to solve such a problem.

      In terms of the number of states that supported the recognition of the North Caucasian republics - not so far.
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 29 November 2013 11: 51 New
        11
        What are you saying !!!!!
        Does not recognition by others somehow influence the position of Russia? - No. Abkhazia remains recognized. And with Transnistria it will be so.
        1. Akim
          Akim 29 November 2013 12: 06 New
          -6
          Quote: abrakadabre
          Does not recognition by others somehow influence the position of Russia? - No. Abkhazia remains recognized

          Who is trading with her. Only Russia. There are no common borders with Transnistria. In the meantime, trade with is under a special agreement. And become it an independent state - everything is canceled.
  • vostok1982
    vostok1982 29 November 2013 11: 42 New
    +6
    On the same basis on which the independence of Kosovo is recognized.
    1. Akim
      Akim 29 November 2013 11: 48 New
      -9
      Quote: vostok1982
      On the same basis on which the independence of Kosovo is recognized.

      Read the materiel!
      1. Generalissimus
        Generalissimus 29 November 2013 12: 40 New
        26
        We will say directly, with the materiel you have the most tight. wink
        The right to unilateral declaration of independence of Kosovo was renewed by the United States and the EU on the following grounds: the context of the collapse of Yugoslavia, ethnic cleansing and a long period of administration of the region by the UN administration.
        All these components were inherent both in Abkhazia with South Ossetia and Transnistria.
        The only question is how do certain countries agree to regard these components. Out of its own interests, this or that country calls black black and another white, and vice versa.
        For example, the United States regards its own crimes in Kosovo, organized by special forces, as crimes of the Serbs, which was exposed by journalists in Europe and even submitted to the European Parliament, where it was hidden more deeply.
        So issues of recognition or non-recognition are issues of the law of the strong and his interests.
        And justice is the twenty-fifth case.
        For the same reason, Transnistria will certainly be an independent state and pretty soon, given the intensification of the absorption processes of Moldova by Romania and the EU.
        The most interesting point here is the position of Ukraine. If Ukraine tries to play on the orders of the Regional Committee and block Transnistria, then it risks the problems of Crimea and a serious confrontation with Russia. What is behind this, we have already seen on the eve of the summit in Vilnius. Although Russia only hinted.
        It's nothing personal.
        Clean business.
        If Ukraine offers something that at a certain stage will be regarded by Moscow as more interesting, Transnistria will have to wait some more time. In the end, when Ukraine and Russia go in the same direction again, the issue with Transnistria will be resolved automatically.

        Ukraine is not a country that can afford independence without the consent of Russia. Time is lost.
        Either Ukraine will be Putin's beloved wife, or she will suffer the fate of Yugoslavia.
        Russia cannot afford to release Ukraine from its orbit.
        And for Ukraine this would be a fatal mistake.
        However, the conversation between Russia and Ukraine should go on a different plane, without confrontation and mutual insults. We are one.

        I’ll say in advance. I believe. I believe that puppy girls throw me stones.
        1. Babon
          Babon 29 November 2013 12: 52 New
          11
          I would like to add that soon in Moldova itself there are elections, and the European integrators, in the people, are not respected. Most likely, the local communists will win the elections, and the association could well be canceled. Russia has already imposed serious sanctions on Moldavian products, well, my opinion is the same, love Europe, and sell there, only buy a lot?
          1. Akim
            Akim 29 November 2013 12: 59 New
            -11 qualifying.
            Quote: Babon
            love Europe, there and sell, only buy a lot?

            This is Medvedev's logic - love of convenience.
            1. Babon
              Babon 29 November 2013 13: 25 New
              11
              This is Western logic)) In fact, Western countries do nothing for free. It’s time for us to do the same, we must do everything for payment, it’s enough to already be good-natured breadwinners.
        2. Akim
          Akim 29 November 2013 12: 56 New
          -5
          Quote: Generalissimus
          Although Russia only hinted.

          Business is business. Ukraine has lost 2 billion in trade over these months. Russia - almost four. But there were large sums at stake. The GDP of Transnistria is a little over one and a half "watermelons". The question is moving into the category of geopolitics. And of those three components - only ethnic cleansing resembled South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
          1. Generalissimus
            Generalissimus 29 November 2013 13: 08 New
            20
            Russia can afford to lose not 4, but 40 - and for it this will not be a disaster. In this case, Ukraine will bend the next day.
            At the same time, import substitution has been going on in Russia for several years.
            He himself participated for two years, with 2009-2011, in organizing the construction of production facilities, and in close cooperation with Ukrainian enterprises. Surprisingly.
            In Ukraine, no such processes have been noted. Yes, and from where?

            As for South Ossetia and Abkhazia, Transnistria, and the three components, you are wrong.
            All three are there.
            The interethnic conflict or military conflict itself is understandable.
            The context of the formation of self-proclaimed republics is much more significant than in Kosovo. All three entities occurred on the basis of the constitutional law of the USSR during the collapse of the USSR itself. It is strange that you do not know this.
            As for governance, all three republics, as well as Kosovo, have their own management structures. The UN administration is only a big name in all four cases, but it is present in fact. In the case of Transnistria and the Caucasian republics, these are the Russian peacekeeping forces. by UN mandate. Which is equal in status to the peacekeeping contingent in Kosovo operating there.

            Let me remind you again - it all depends on the interpretation of those interested.
            Russia and another half of the UN member countries did not recognize Kosovo and the grounds stretched onto the Kosovo globe by Condoleezza Rise, and the United States and most UN countries do not recognize South Ossetia and Abkhazia. However, this does not prevent the existence of all three republics. In fact. As long as there is a strong one standing behind him.
            1. Akim
              Akim 29 November 2013 13: 20 New
              -3
              Quote: Generalissimus
              All three entities happened on the basis of the constitutional law of the USSR during the collapse of the USSR itself

              all three were part of the republics, in the form of autonomies or regions. What are we arguing with? They cannot prove to each other at the highest level.
              What about the financial cushion, you are right. Ukraine cannot afford such a thing in the loss of trade. Import substitution is also underway, but not at such a fast pace. But this leads us away from the question of Moldova.
              Financially, it is not profitable for Russia to fight for Tiraspol. More minuses than pluses.
              Geopolitically is another matter. It’s like the Winter Olympics in subtropical Sochi.
              1. Generalissimus
                Generalissimus 29 November 2013 13: 36 New
                +9
                The financial component always serves a purpose. Of course, the question is political.

                As for the Olympics - I do not agree with you. Sochi is no worse than most cities in which the Winter Olympic Games were held.
                You forget that in view of the peculiarities of the isotherms, as well as the Gulf Stream’s influence on the climate, Sochi is the same or only slightly warmer than most cities - the capitals of winter Olympics.
                branched cranberries about subtropical Sochi, not suitable for the Olympics - the result of only the painstaking work of hamsters, gnawing seeds of anti-Russian propaganda in general.
                Do not believe it - check, compare the cities - the capital of the winter Olympics, and their climate from Sochi. Average annual temperatures, winter temperatures, and so on. You will be surprised, apparently.
                Only skiing is of concern. Often at winter olympiads this was a problem - lack of snow.
                In the case of Sochi, its large reserves have already been accumulated in storage in the mountains.
                1. Akim
                  Akim 29 November 2013 13: 59 New
                  -3
                  Quote: Generalissimus
                  In the case of Sochi, its large reserves have already been accumulated in storage in the mountains.

                  There is no doubt that Mocha will hold the Olympics at the proper level. But was it worth it?
                2. Generalissimus
                  Generalissimus 29 November 2013 14: 09 New
                  +5
                  Of course it was. A huge powerful tourist cluster has been created. And - for the winter. In Sochi.
                  The Olympics are tempting in that the part of the preparation costs — and this is the construction of the infrastructure — is beaten off by the Olympics guests, broadcasts, etc., etc. And the infrastructure itself increases both the standard of living, and gives the opportunity to work in the future, gives an impetus to further development. Not always the Games pay off all the costs, but in most cases the costs pay off in a fairly short period after the Games. Much depends on the goals set by the country's leadership in terms of the development of the host region. In the case of Sochi, the goals are clearly ambitious, but the city itself has great potential.
                  So, I think, the hopes of getting not a sheepskin, but a high-quality fur coat in the end are quite high.
                3. Akim
                  Akim 29 November 2013 14: 39 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Akim
                  The fact that in Urine will hold the Olympics at the proper level - with

                  Sorry - described
              2. Vasek
                Vasek 29 November 2013 20: 07 New
                0
                Quote: Generalissimus
                features of isotherms

                what What is it? wassat
              3. Generalissimus
                Generalissimus 29 November 2013 20: 26 New
                +1
                January isotherms

                January isotherms (equal temperature lines) in Europe (built on the basis of climatic maps of the "Atlas of the Officer" (M., Military Publishing House, 1978)


                Isotherms on climate maps, these are lines of equal temperatures.

                For example, this one shows that Sochi is colder than Paris and Berlin, although the latter are not in the subtropics. And the same, for example, with Oslo (Norway), in which the Winter Olympics was.
              4. Cristall
                Cristall 30 November 2013 14: 14 New
                0
                Considering that the weather on the territory of Europe is ensured by Western transport, while the continental climate is intensifying deep into the continent (Eurasia), it is clear that it will be colder in Sochi.
                This information has been studied since 6-7 grade.
                Although of course, I also have the Faculty of Geology and Geography. Mechnikov graduated
                Threat isotherms can actually be shifted. After all, climate is not an easy system.
        3. Babon
          Babon 29 November 2013 13: 40 New
          +5
          I suggest you to go to Sochi in the winter and go skiing, where snow is considered one of the best in the world, they even come from France, the snow quality is good. just because the sea is near. And the prices there were always very expensive.
          1. SV
            SV 29 November 2013 20: 32 New
            +1
            An interesting departure from the topic. Please note that in this region, and so people like herring in ..., but from Siberia and the east flee not because of frost(I think to leave myself)
    2. Babon
      Babon 29 November 2013 13: 37 New
      11
      Akim
      I watched euronews a week ago, even before the cancellation of the association by Yanukovych. So there they described Russia as a monster that forever gives no one to live. Both Poles, Lithuanians, and German rights activists were called into the report (it’s clear that they don’t hear anything good about Russia) So, the essence of the report, Russia is obliged to give Ukraine cheap gas, to buy Ukrainian goods en masse to support Ukraine’s entry into EU, and they will give the right right. So they have more money, and they don’t want to give it to Ukraine. In my opinion, they are insolent there in the west. Russia does not owe or owe anything, its 140 million people, so we have something to do.
      1. Akim
        Akim 29 November 2013 14: 03 New
        0
        Quote: Babon
        In my opinion, they are insolent there in the west. Russia does not owe or owe anything, its 140 million people, so we have something to do.

        This is a separate issue, I’m tired of leading a discussion on it. Yes, and there is zero sense in it. Excuse me.
  • Babon
    Babon 29 November 2013 12: 23 New
    +7
    on the grounds that the Transnistrians themselves defended their independence with arms in their hands, as did South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Unlike the Albanians in Kosovo, who could not do anything with the Serbian forces. Until NATO began to bomb, there would have been no independent Kosovo.
    1. Babon
      Babon 29 November 2013 12: 27 New
      +7
      In general, international law is full of precedents when nationalities defended their independence with arms in their hands. It was in Africa and Latin America. But as I see it, international law does not apply to the countries of the former social. camps, it’s just the opposite.
      1. Akim
        Akim 29 November 2013 12: 48 New
        -1
        Quote: Babon
        It was in Africa and Latin America.

        Well, if you do not go in a civilized way, then probably. There are also children there for breakfast.
        In Syria, too, the rebels do not adhere to the correct approach. They are barbarians. But for some it is beneficial and the rebels are recognized as the legitimate government.
        1. Babon
          Babon 29 November 2013 12: 57 New
          +6
          I, as barbarians, do not belong to people. To go in a civilized way is an interesting question. We just take the 20th century, take the Serbs, they destroyed about 50% of the population, and all this has been done in a civilized manner. Fir-tree population of Russia will be reduced to 10 million, at the expense of neighbors. it will also be civilized, so it’s enough to believe in fairy tales already.
        2. washi
          washi 29 November 2013 12: 58 New
          +7
          And why should Moldova join Romania, and not vice versa
          “Bessarabia, the Turkish province, lying over the Black Sea between the Danube and the Dniester, is divided into three provinces. Since ancient times, the people are Slavic. Nestor calls them the Dniester. ”
          The name "Romania", designed to recall the Latin origin of the language and the Roman origin of the population, was coined by the Uniate priest from Transylvania Innocent Miku (1729-1751): it has a mythological origin and does not contain the historical reality that is attributed to it.
  • Yura
    Yura 29 November 2013 12: 54 New
    +5
    Quote: Akim
    On what basis?

    Yes, at the same independence of the countries of the former republics of the USSR, including Ukraine. The procedure, in principle, is civil, a referendum can serve as the basis, no one has yet canceled the right to self-determination, there will be a sea of ​​undercover games, provocations, insinuations, but with outside support this is more than real. The question is whether the EU needs Moldova as an independent country or, to put it another way, whether the EU Romania needs to grow beyond the borders of Moldova, as well as what follows these actions, i.e. NATO bases, American missile defense in the territory of Moldova, I’m not even talking about the economic recovery from which hangover Western Europe will raise the economy of Moldova. In the meantime, we see one thing, Romania and the West as a whole, they want to have money that Moldovans earn by migrant workers (roughly, of course, but it is).
    1. Akim
      Akim 29 November 2013 13: 04 New
      0
      Quote: Jura
      Yes, on the same as the independence of the countries of the former republics of the USSR were recognized,

      I would like to recall that in the Soviet Union, republics (not autonomies) were de facto independent states and they had more rights than states in the USA.
      1. Yura
        Yura 29 November 2013 13: 11 New
        +3
        Quote: Akim
        I would like to recall that in the Soviet Union, republics (not autonomies) were de facto independent states and they had more rights than states in the USA.

        I agree, I do not mind, but as an example: the former autonomous republics of the USSR became the Republics of the Russian Federation with rights no less, if not more, and this is without any particular upheaval, for Transdniestria this will also be more than possible. In principle, this is not the main thing, the main thing is the right to self-determination.
        1. Akim
          Akim 29 November 2013 13: 23 New
          +1
          Quote: Jura
          In principle, this is not the main thing, the main thing is the right to self-determination.

          and there is still the right of territorial integrity, otherwise half the countries in the world would become some principalities.
          1. Babon
            Babon 29 November 2013 13: 27 New
            +7
            And there is an agreement on the inviolability of borders, and how is it observed?
          2. Yura
            Yura 29 November 2013 13: 50 New
            +2
            Again, I agree, but this is exactly as long as the two nations have not decided to scatter, for all the others it is their right, as well as the inviolability of a certain territory by them.
            Akim: and there is still the right of territorial integrity, otherwise half of the countries in the world would become some principalities.
  • APES
    APES 29 November 2013 13: 51 New
    +6
    Quote: Akim
    On what basis?


    And I don’t even have to justify, the Crimea also applies to the whole of eastern Ukraine, including Odessa and Kiev.
    1. Akim
      Akim 29 November 2013 14: 35 New
      -6
      Quote: APES
      including Odessa and Kiev.

      You will interrupt. Or it is not accepted to ask "slaves". So you know, serfdom was abolished in 1861.
      1. Babon
        Babon 29 November 2013 14: 45 New
        +3
        Are you talking about February 19th? winked You are right, in Russia you are not slaves, it’s time to switch to market mutual relations, without any discounts.
        1. Akim
          Akim 29 November 2013 14: 51 New
          -1
          It's time - move on.
          1. Babon
            Babon 29 November 2013 15: 00 New
            +3
            Well, only we did not become bad, market relations, What Ukraine, Germany, one price, pay.
            1. Akim
              Akim 29 November 2013 15: 09 New
              -3
              Quote: Babon
              What Ukraine, what Germany, one price, pay.

              and then Putin resisted the FTZ? Threatening her with Ukraine to cancel. Or do you propose going all the way against the end? Now there is normal market relations. Nobody does any discounts.
              1. Babon
                Babon 29 November 2013 15: 26 New
                +7
                We are not threatening anything. Sell goods to Europe. Will they buy a lot there? If we talk about pressure, then let's recall the case of Hilary Clinton, when she pushed American uranium rods, although the reactor is using USSR technology, they do not fit. Ukraine bought these rods, and is now disposing of them in Russia, since they are very dangerous. All this is expensive. They press from the West more than from Russia much.
                1. Akim
                  Akim 29 November 2013 16: 00 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Babon
                  We are not threatening anything. Sell goods to Europe. Will they buy a lot there?

                  Something is bought by Europe, something by other markets, something by Russia. Stop translating topics already. You won’t achieve anything. It’s the same as mocking the loser Povetkin. Lost today, tomorrow - will win.
                2. Babon
                  Babon 29 November 2013 16: 06 New
                  +3
                  Povetkin, this is a sport. I don’t look at such a sport, well, it’s not interesting, the question is: what do such millions pay for? Well, it hurts a lot to pay for this. Well, Klitschko won by the rules, no doubt, but this is not a sport. And how do you mock the west you do not want to notice? Well, they climb everywhere and everywhere, but we are all silent.
                3. Akim
                  Akim 29 November 2013 16: 16 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Babon
                  And how mocking the west you do not want to notice

                  Do you communicate in Polish, Spanish, French, English? Then to you here.
                  http://www.forum.militis.pl/
                  http://www.defensa.pe/index.php
                  http://www.air-defense.net/forum/
                  http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/
                  I am there and defend Ukraine no less. Only, thank God in those forums there is almost no politics.
                4. Babon
                  Babon 29 November 2013 16: 27 New
                  0
                  Easily, we only transfer everything to money, like zp let Ukraine sell its goods to the British, French, etc. Will it work a lot? Sell ​​it.
                5. Akim
                  Akim 29 November 2013 16: 39 New
                  0
                  Quote: Babon
                  just, we just transfer everything to money

                  And now what is it calculated? What is wrong with market relations?
                  Having read Babona, on an emotional level, I begin to understand those who signed the association on the Maidan and in the west. As Zhenya said to Ippolit, "What are you ..."
                  Let's get back to Moldova.
                6. Cristall
                  Cristall 29 November 2013 17: 46 New
                  +2
                  I already wrote about the same, that these articles make an emotional background of hatred for each other. Although more of their comments do. "kick gestures" are unlikely to attract supporters on the other side of the wall. More sadomasochists
                7. Babon
                  Babon 30 November 2013 16: 07 New
                  +1
                  But because, such as Babon, they come to relatives in a village, where there is one street toilet for the whole village, and one well. where no one has heard anything about gas, you must constantly mow grass, then cut firewood. It is unclear why such a love for Ukraine? When the nifig itself is not done, there is something to do at home, does my opinion want Ukraine to Europe? Please, with all the consequences, the problems themselves are full of unsolved. What should I worry about gas in Ukraine? At the very village did not hear about any gas.
        2. samoletil18
          samoletil18 29 November 2013 17: 35 New
          +2
          Hooray! "Akim" + was set.
  • APES
    APES 29 November 2013 14: 59 New
    +2
    keep quiet about Crimea - there is nothing to say .........
    Quote: Akim
    Interrupt.

    NO
    Quote: Akim
    asking is not accepted

    referendum on reunification with Russia - the vast majority of answers will be YES
    Quote: Akim
    So know

    if you are talking about history, then the events of 1939-1940 of the year should bother you more
    1. Akim
      Akim 29 November 2013 15: 03 New
      -1
      Quote: APES
      referendum on reunification with Russia - the vast majority of answers will be YES

      I’m wondering how people define this? So confidently say, if you live in Ukraine.
      1. APES
        APES 29 November 2013 15: 06 New
        +3
        Quote: Akim
        I’m wondering how people define this?

        lists make up

        Quote: Akim
        Speak so confidently


        You are also on the list. laughing
        1. Akim
          Akim 29 November 2013 16: 01 New
          +2
          Quote: APES
          You are also on the list.

          Now I won’t fall asleep at night.
  • Cristall
    Cristall 29 November 2013 17: 39 New
    +1
    And on what basis did you manage to divide us all?
    This is not true. It smacks of perversion, dividing Ukraine according to some principles we ourselves do not understand.
    1. Oleg Kharkov
      Oleg Kharkov 30 November 2013 03: 36 New
      0
      The "temporarily occupied territory" doesn't want to divide, disintegrate, or even kill its industry. Scoundrels and bastards in one word. Oh, yes, Ukrainians should be proud of such close attention of Russia to their country, which Moldova is deprived of. It would be better if they also developed military-technical cooperation (and indeed any cooperation) - then one could be proud. Otherwise, this cooperation turns out to be so unprofitable that it can be continued only under the threat of association with the EU.
  • Simon
    Simon 29 November 2013 19: 43 New
    0
    The foundation can always be found. Abkhazia and South Ossetia are an example of this.
  • pawel1961
    pawel1961 30 November 2013 00: 28 New
    -1
    yes simple. to confront the fact and all. but a bunch of equipment.
  • AVV
    AVV 29 November 2013 16: 34 New
    0
    Romanians in one word! That says it all, even more !!!
  • Gluxar_
    Gluxar_ 29 November 2013 16: 39 New
    +5
    Quote: makarov
    And which one already differs, whether "actively" or "passively". Moldova signed the association, and after the fight they don't wave their fists .......

    Many people have a somewhat distorted understanding of what the Association Agreement with the EU is and what procedures need to be done to ratify this agreement.
    The fact that Moldova signed in Vilnius is an "agreement of intent" that Moldova will be ready to transfer European standards to its legal field. In this case, some EU legal norms will also apply to Moldova. Accordingly, after the signing of the association with the EU, it is necessary to change a number of laws and various "standards" in Moldova itself, and European officials will have to monitor all this and if they do not find any violations, they will have to sign this agreement on their part. That is, the process itself takes quite a long time.
    In the case of Moldova, of course there is no threat to European markets, therefore, they will not delay the signing in the EU. Although there may be some countries that will slow down this process.
    As for Russia, of course, any integration processes without the participation of the Russian Federation are undesirable. And the economic sense is not in the first place. On the other hand, the Russian Federation may receive more legal instruments to prevent Moldovan goods or re-export through Moldova to its markets. The same is true for Georgia.
    There is one more not a good moment. The fact is that the economic collapse from such an association will occur only in such a large country as Ukraine, since the EU's resources are not enough to "safely" digest such a piece. In the case of Moldova, only for political advertising, the country can be made an "economic showcase" and advertising about the benefits of joining or at least association with the EU. After all, a country with a ruined economy and agriculture, living on the transfers of compatriots who have left abroad, can simply flourish when it receives "insignificant" foreign investments and loans. Allocate 1 billion euros to Moldova for the "development" of the agro-industrial complex, it will look like the growth of the industry by hundreds of percent. Provided that such an amount will be more than 20% of the country's GDP, and this is only a billion of which hundreds were spent on Greece alone. So the EU clearly benefits from the absorption of Moldova in one way or another.
    On the other hand, there is the topic of Transnistria. In what status did Moldova sign the association? If as only Moldova without PMR, then the association is possible. If the standards should also apply to the PMR, then many European countries of old Europe may receive an argument for "not signing" the association on their part. So the question is not really closed yet. Although the integration of Ukraine into the CU is much more important, then the issue of Moldova will be solved even easier.
    1. alone
      alone 29 November 2013 18: 37 New
      +1
      I have a question for those who advocate the independence of Transnistria and the other regions mentioned above. If suddenly America, England and all of Europe begins to recognize the independence of the regions of Russia, what will be your reaction?

      P.S. arguments like we eat, we throw poplars, their gut is thin, etc. does not count!
      1. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 29 November 2013 20: 18 New
        +4
        Quote: lonely
        I have a question for those who advocate the independence of Transnistria and the other regions mentioned above. If suddenly America, England and all of Europe begins to recognize the independence of the regions of Russia, what will be your reaction?

        P.S. arguments like we eat, we throw poplars, their gut is thin, etc. does not count!

        They have been doing this for 22 years. Just a little strength is not enough to implement their plans. This is all a matter of state power. You can’t just take and maintain the independence of someone from something. At least because few people really want to become independent. For example, Russia can support the demands for independence of the indigenous peoples of North America from the US occupation. Such petitions are already there and issues are being worked out. But for example, the USA or England cannot support the independence of Samara, because no one thinks about leaving their own homeland.
        Therefore, the conclusion is obvious. it is possible to recognize the independence of someone from something only if there is a protest mood in some region and these forces have real power and strength behind them. In the example of Kosovo, the United States showed its strength, in the example of Abkhazia or South Ossetia, the Russian Federation has already shown its strength.
        Similarly, in the case of PMR, there is an absolute majority of the population that supports such a decision. And this population has the power to uphold their decision. A force comparable to the forces of Moldova itself, from which the PMR wants to secede.
        If you try to separate Munich from Berlin, then this will not work. You can send agents and provocateurs there, but they will not gain critical mass to create their own area of ​​political influence. And even if a private division of fighters was sent there privately, they organized the citizenship of Germany and raised an armed uprising, as was the case in Chechnya. That force of such an armed rebellion will be insufficient against the entire might of the army of Germany and such a project will fail, while the costs of the initiating country will be much higher than defending.
        So for recognition of independence there must be good reasons and the coincidence of a number of specific conditions.
        So recognition of the independence of the PMR or Nagorno-Karabakh is possible, recognition of the independence of Scotland or Flanders, Catalonia is also possible. But recognition of the independence of Siberia or Arizona is extremely difficult.
  • Orel
    Orel 29 November 2013 07: 01 New
    12
    Well, at least because Russia did not come up with special, let’s say, warnings about the Moldavian Association with the EU.


    Of course it didn’t. There is nothing to warn about. Moldova is already the poorest country in Europe. Nothing left there. Give them free rein, they all leave this country away. Therefore, nobody needs her and no one warned her about anything ...
    1. predator.3
      predator.3 29 November 2013 08: 23 New
      +9
      Quote: Orel
      . Moldova is already the poorest country in Europe. Nothing left there. Give them free rein, they all leave this country away.


      Indeed, the country of children and the elderly, recently there was a transfer by box, half of the adult population migrant workers outside the hill!
      1. Fin
        Fin 29 November 2013 09: 43 New
        +8
        Ownerless territory must stumble somewhere. Themselves from the ass will not get out. A PMR can not be given.
        1. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 29 November 2013 21: 54 New
          +1
          At the end of the 80s, pro-Romanian personalities shouted about the desired independence, they also carried people by buses from the districts to the "Great" Square for support, as recently for Eurointegration ...
          Got independence, and then what?
          You want to eat, but no one fills the bowl, enterprises stop without orders, pay wages, and where does the money come from?
          They registered then that the country was militarily neutral, they sold the equipment for a penny. But there is neutrality that Europe needs, and no one again gives money for it.
          Now they are leaning against Romania, that is, Europe and NATO, maybe someone will fill the feeding trough ...
  • JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 29 November 2013 07: 13 New
    19
    Moldova as a laboratory mouse. Let Ukraine look what will happen to this mouse. Maybe Ukraine will like it and she also wants to become a mouse?)))
    1. Andrey57
      Andrey57 29 November 2013 08: 08 New
      +7
      In fact, Ukraine is just in the penultimate place in terms of living, right after Moldova))
      1. Akim
        Akim 29 November 2013 09: 06 New
        -11 qualifying.
        Quote: Andrey57
        in terms of living, immediately after Moldova))

        Have you looked at statistics or have you guessed it yourself?
    2. svp67
      svp67 29 November 2013 09: 25 New
      +4
      Quote: JIaIIoTb
      Moldova as a laboratory mouse. Let Ukraine look what will happen to this mouse. Maybe Ukraine will like it and she also wants to become a mouse?)))

      And the examples of the Baltic states, Bulgaria are not enough ...?
      1. Akim
        Akim 29 November 2013 09: 37 New
        -8
        Quote: svp67
        And the examples of the Baltic states, Bulgaria are not enough ...?

        Listen up. Well, Bulgarian is not complicated. Enough to quote only Russian publications. Well type in google Economy on Bulgaria. Naturally, there are no dairy rivers, but there is no nightmare catastrophe in the economy. But the outflow of the population is.
        1. avt
          avt 29 November 2013 10: 22 New
          +9
          Quote: Akim
          Naturally, there are no dairy rivers, but there is no nightmare catastrophe in the economy. But the outflow of the population is.

          Yeah, they are running for weight loss, overeat in the European Union and jogged out of the country. Never mind, soon the number of "athletes" in Ukraine will increase, the gangway in Vilnius has already begun, sign and go straight to the start. laughing
          1. svp67
            svp67 29 November 2013 10: 31 New
            +5
            Quote: avt
            Never mind, soon the number of "athletes" in Ukraine will increase, the gangway in Vilnius has already begun, sign and go straight to the start.
            One thing they do not understand is that the number of places in these "competitions" is very limited and they are already TAKEN, so it can be a race to ANYWHERE ...
          2. Akim
            Akim 29 November 2013 10: 38 New
            0
            Quote: avt
            Yeah, they run for weight loss, ate too much in the European Union and ran a jog out of the country

            I specifically try to avoid those about Ukraine. The other day they drank with a classmate. He is still an active military man. So, his reasoning is like mine a year ago (when he did not go into foreign economy and politics). At first, such articles about Ukraine caused a zero reaction, then indignation, now irritation. If you want to achieve hatred - the right path has been chosen. And remember, I'm still loyal and deliberate, but someone lives with emotions.
            As for the reduction of the population in Bulgaria. Naturally, people choose where you can earn more. Zapadentsy do not go to Odessa, in Moscow their work is rated higher. But there are many from Transnistria and Moldova. He earned money and it is more profitable to spend it at domestic prices.
            1. avt
              avt 29 November 2013 10: 57 New
              11
              Quote: Akim
              I specifically try to avoid those about Ukraine.

              Well, where to go if the supplier of news, and even with their cool justification is the leadership of Ukraine and your piously believing political scientists "that Ukraine is leaving the world of animals in the world of people" !?
              Quote: Akim
              At first, such articles about Ukraine caused a zero reaction, then indignation, now irritation.

              request I always adhered to the rule that was taught - do not commit silly things, then they will not call you a fool.
              Quote: Akim
              If you want to achieve hatred - the right path has been chosen.

              Not me, it’s quite your organizers who initially hate Ukraine to bring together past history, you all from small to great.
              Quote: Akim
              And remember, I'm still loyal and deliberate, but someone lives with emotions.

              Yes, your will, live as you see fit. Your country, you live in it. And where did you get that you owe it to you to scratch your ears with words so that God forbid to ignore subtle, self-esteem? Take words wisely? Well, no, without emphasis, emotions are also a good thing in moderation, as long as the brain does not fog, but you don’t need to frighten with hatred. Moreover, as your independence since 91 years old shows, any event that is negative in the understanding of those that are independent, ends with a search for intrigues and Mperts. It’s not cured anymore. And if you don’t like the assessment of your aspirations to Europe, so go to Maidan, achieve an associative result and shame the supporters of the CU with the take-off of Ukraine in all areas by very concrete things, so that we would be envious. Yes, it’s just they don’t believe themselves. Because the arguments for are more like the mantra of self-hypnosis. Well, yes, it’s your business, independent, somehow we will survive and hatred, too, not in the first.
              1. Akim
                Akim 29 November 2013 11: 17 New
                -2
                That's all, I do not want to discuss with you on this topic. You still can’t convince me.
              2. Cristall
                Cristall 29 November 2013 18: 11 New
                +1
                Quote: avt
                Well, where to go if the supplier of news, and even with their cool justification is the leadership of Ukraine and your piously believing political scientists "that Ukraine is leaving the world of animals in the world of people" !?

                and you immediately transfer all your attitude towards them to us. Thanks of course. Normal people have not even read these books, where these words are. But for some reason the people are to blame for a bunch of people. It's funny. Apparently we every day by a general vote throughout the country say, what needs to be said to the next "Zradovets" about Russia?
                Quote: avt
                Quote: Akim
                At first, such articles about Ukraine caused a zero reaction, then indignation, now irritation.

                Imagine me too. In general, I’m sure that an ordinary person will read these articles and especially comments.
                Quote: avt
                I always adhered to the rule that was taught - do not do stupid things, then they will not call you a fool

                a good rule regarding personality, but not people. The people themselves are partly to blame for the stupidities of the stupidest representatives. I am sure that to this extent any people are to blame.
                Quote: avt
                Not me, it’s quite your organizers who initially hate Ukraine to bring together past history, you all from small to great.

                let's not repeat the mantra. We ourselves all hate Russian and every day we write curses of the past with curses. The authors of the books are famous. And this is not Akim, not I, and not every Ukrainian in this forum. None of those I know raise a child in hatred of Rome, no one leads him to the temple to swear an oath to hate Rome for the rest of his life.
                I agree that there are enough stupid people, and stupid speeches, but dismiss them as slogans of the nation.
                Quote: avt
                Yes, your will, live as you see fit. Your country, you live in it. And where did you get that you owe it to you to scratch your ears with words so that God forbid to ignore subtle, self-esteem? Take words wisely? Well, no, without emphasis, emotions are also a good thing in moderation, as long as the brain does not fog, but you don’t need to frighten with hatred. Moreover, as your independence since 91 years old shows, any event that is negative in the understanding of those that are independent, ends with a search for intrigues and Mperts. It’s not cured anymore. And if you don’t like the assessment of your aspirations to Europe, so go to Maidan, achieve an associative result and shame the supporters of the CU with the take-off of Ukraine in all areas by very concrete things, so that we would be envious. Yes, it’s just they don’t believe themselves. Because the arguments for are more like the mantra of self-hypnosis. Well, yes, it’s your business, independent, somehow we will survive and hatred, too, not in the first.

                I understand this: We will humiliate you (verbally), condescendingly "brotherly" because, according to your understanding, we cannot achieve anything, but we are very sensitive to such a "truth"
                it is very difficult to maintain Chinese calmness, restraint, reading sometimes impartial comments about the country. But especially those who divide us! In my opinion, the blood is boiling here ... Your country has given a guarantee of integrity, but for a long time there are many fans here "divide and rule as brothers"
                I hope I was politically correct enough for YOU.
              3. Curculum
                Curculum 29 November 2013 23: 21 New
                0
                Quote: avt
                And if you don’t like the assessments of your aspirations to Europe, well, so on Maidan, achieve an associative result and shame the supporters of the CU with the takeoff of Ukraine in all areas by very concrete things, so that we would be envious.

                Greetings!
                And here are the "maydanutye":
        2. svp67
          svp67 29 November 2013 10: 26 New
          +3
          Quote: Akim
          But the outflow of the population is.

          Do you think that the outflow of the population and the situation in the economy are not interconnected? Take off your "rose-colored glasses", the collapse in the economy - there is no way to make good money - there is an outflow of the population, but to write in "statistical reports" especially, everything is possible for the population, but "voting with their feet" says a lot
          1. Akim
            Akim 29 November 2013 10: 48 New
            0
            Quote: svp67
            Take off your "rose-colored glasses", the collapse in the economy - there is no way to make money - the outflow of the population,

            Primitive reasoning. If there is an opportunity to make more money on the Filipino ship, the sailor will go to work for him, and not for Russian or Ukrainian.
            1. svp67
              svp67 29 November 2013 10: 59 New
              +5
              Quote: Akim
              If there is an opportunity to make more money on the Filipino ship, the sailor will go to work for him, and not for Russian or Ukrainian.

              Of course, especially if there is no Ukrainian or Russian steamer anymore, everyone is sailing under the flags of convenience ... And PROFSOYUZ exists only nominally. Try to hire a "guest-worker" in any Western country, according to the same principles as it is done here, the trade union will ruin everyone with strikes ...
              1. Akim
                Akim 29 November 2013 11: 22 New
                0
                Quote: svp67
                Of course, especially if there is no Ukrainian or Russian steamboat already, everyone goes under convenient flags ..

                I do not want to disappoint you, but they are. And even there are no vacant places for them, because demand exceeds supply.
            2. vostok1982
              vostok1982 29 November 2013 11: 49 New
              +8
              Primitive reasoning. Homeland where the dupa is warm. If it is more profitable to work for a Polish colonist than to work at a Ukrainian factory, you need to go to work. The main thing is loot. Everything else is KGB propaganda.
              It’s possible to substitute a Europe’s duplex, if it’s profitable. Why not? This is the main and most attractive European value. Past her to Europe in any way.
              1. Akim
                Akim 29 November 2013 11: 56 New
                -9
                Quote: vostok1982
                . The main thing is loot.

                Patriotism - you will not be full.
                1. vostok1982
                  vostok1982 29 November 2013 13: 11 New
                  12
                  That's right - Malchish-Plohish is the hero of the new Ukrainian time! Only he still became a transgender, a satanist and a Bandera besides a traitor.
                2. Platov
                  Platov 29 November 2013 23: 43 New
                  0
                  There will be children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren. It will be in old age to whom to serve tea or coffee, or what the doctor will prescribe.
              2. washi
                washi 29 November 2013 13: 12 New
                +4
                Quote: vostok1982
                Primitive reasoning. Homeland where the dupa is warm. If it is more profitable to work for a Polish colonist than to work at a Ukrainian factory, you need to go to work. The main thing is loot. Everything else is KGB propaganda.
                It’s possible to substitute a Europe’s duplex, if it’s profitable. Why not? This is the main and most attractive European value. Past her to Europe in any way.

                So why do you need your own country?
                Why is it so bad? What is it?
                Warm self-esteem, or in order to take away your pennies from politics?
                1. vostok1982
                  vostok1982 29 November 2013 16: 37 New
                  +4
                  Actually, it was sarcasm aimed at a supporter of the European choice.
              3. Cristall
                Cristall 29 November 2013 18: 17 New
                0
                Quote: vostok1982
                Homeland where the dupa is warm. If it is more profitable to work for a Polish colonist than to work at a Ukrainian factory, you need to go to work. The main thing is loot. Everything else is KGB propaganda.

                Not quite, it is clear that a person wants to be more satisfying and warmer, but when he arrived in St. Petersburg he was glad to see the level of salary. Having lived a week - I’m so bored in Odessa, you can’t tell. Well, I can’t live without her.
                So my girl from Russia had to go to me, and not me to her - to Russia, where it seems to be better than ours.
                1. Field
                  Field 30 November 2013 07: 54 New
                  0
                  Someday we will unite.
                  My relatives (from Siberia) near Kerch live with my aunt sn + pension for our 8000
                  Familiar with many who go to relatives in Dnepropetrovsk, Simferopol, Odessa, Kiev and so on. and come here to Siberia to us. We are one people.
                  It's just that the top of yours likes to be the top, and it does everything to stay (and become someone). Divide and Conquer.
                  Independent pancake.
        3. vostok1982
          vostok1982 29 November 2013 11: 46 New
          +6
          Yeah. And self-immolation in Bulgaria - so, PR. In the northern part of the country, where industry used to be, unemployment is up to 60%.
          A couple of years ago, some acquaintances were in Bulgaria. Prior to this trip, they were staunch supporters of European integration. But they went there - and changed their minds. Only coastal villages survive due to tourism, and a little inland - kapets. Worse than after the war.
          1. Akim
            Akim 29 November 2013 11: 55 New
            -2
            Quote: vostok1982
            In the northern part of the country where industry used to be,

            When was she? Until 89 - I agree.
            1. vostok1982
              vostok1982 29 November 2013 13: 13 New
              +7
              The bottom line is that Bulgaria in the EU will never be an industrialized country. However, even the developed agrarian sector will not be there. Unless the Germans will begin to create latifundia in Bulgaria, on which they will indulge the local pennies.
  • Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 29 November 2013 07: 33 New
    11
    The article does not mention that the promised "visa-free" entry to Europe, which the Moldovan authorities boast of, MAY be introduced by the end of next year and that it will apply to TOURIST trips with an extremely limited period of stay! And European countries at this time are raising the issue of limiting the admission of citizens of the former Union in their countries! (Well, something like this).
    And it will not be surprising that as a result of everything, Russia will introduce a visa regime for Moldova, and her labor migrants will be asked from Russia to return to their "European" homeland!
    But the current leadership of Moldova is "lilac" for this!
  • Dymkovsky
    Dymkovsky 29 November 2013 07: 35 New
    17
    About 25 years ago, such news would be used in the science fiction or 6th section. It is good that the grandfather of the war veteran does not see all this. The Union republics, for the most part, do not raise the question of being sold, not being sold, the question is more expensive, apparently nobody cares.
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 29 November 2013 07: 45 New
    +7
    With Moldova, everything is easier, their Romania so actively and shamelessly "loves" that she, poor, and without Russia, everything is clear ...
  • bairat
    bairat 29 November 2013 07: 57 New
    10
    How the conversation comes about Moldova I remember this video laughing
    1. MolGro
      MolGro 29 November 2013 08: 46 New
      +7
      cool)) the old man will die from the euro integrators))
    2. Jarilo
      Jarilo 29 November 2013 09: 43 New
      +9
      Who scolds Russia the most: Poland - the representative of Dzerzhinsky, Georgia - the representative - Stalin (Dzhugashvili), Beria, Ukraine - Khrushchev, Brezhnev and the entire Politburo (Gromyko, Chernenko, etc.). And this is just the tip of the iceberg. It’s just unscrupulous to blame the Russians for everything.
      1. Akim
        Akim 29 November 2013 09: 59 New
        -11 qualifying.
        Quote: Jarilo
        Ukraine - Khrushchev, Brezhnev and the entire Politburo (Gromyko, Chernenko, etc.

        Nobody blames the Russians. as for the list of "elite" ruling Ukrainians in the Politburo, at least have a look at their biography. Of all, only Brezhnev can be attributed to Ukraine. Ukrainian surname is not a fact.
        1. Cristall
          Cristall 29 November 2013 18: 23 New
          +3
          therefore the question arises, if a little that Khrushchev (because bad) immediately Ukrainian. But Sikorsky is the great Russian aviconstructor, although he is from Kiev. And there are many great surnames, but the division follows the principle of Russian Soviet and, at the very end, republican.
          What is strange, this principle does not channel in cases with Khrushchev - the republican principle of division immediately follows.
          And after all, we don’t have a story ....
          And Khrushchev from the Kursk region lol ?)
          okay, this is ridiculous; I’d rather not raise this topic.
    3. 311ove
      311ove 29 November 2013 09: 47 New
      13
      ... "All of Europe knows who the Russians are" (c) .... Well, yes, when they all washed in one basin in their castles, they built Russian baths ... lol Few of them were pulled out of all shit? How can I explain this to something ???! A lot of Moldovan friends and acquaintances think differently! But looking at this, I remembered: how is fratricidal war in Moldavian? - The "geography teacher" cuts a ram ... Ugh, damn it, 65 years old, but I haven’t made my mind! fool
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 29 November 2013 11: 42 New
        11
        Well, yes, when they washed their castles in the same basin, they built Russian baths ..
        Do not mislead yourself and others. Often they did not wash. GENERALLY! Neither from personal, nor from one common basin.
        wassat
        1. 311ove
          311ove 29 November 2013 15: 01 New
          +4
          Yes, I'm not trying ..... laughing But you yourself write "FREQUENTLY did not wash at all" .... So, let's be fair, at least sometimes we did wash (1-2 pictures like they wrote about that) and they often wade across the rivers. But I almost forgot an example - the neighbors' castles were also stormed across the moat with water ... wassat lol
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 2 December 2013 12: 39 New
            0
            We must also remember that the newborns were baptized with a dip in the font. And about the rains.
            wassat
            On this topic, they often cite the words of some countess or duchess there, who was proud that she washed only 2 times in her life. Like, God was merciful, not three or four. The first time - she was baptized, and the second ... I don’t remember what was there.

            It is also worth recalling the letter from our ambassador to Peter the Great about an audience with Louis XIV. Something like: "The sun king smells badly"
    4. vostok1982
      vostok1982 29 November 2013 11: 51 New
      +4
      the funny thing is that the teacher himself is not Moldavian.
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    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 08: 20 New
      10
      Quote: awg75
      I think it will be a decent kick in their economy

      Yes, you don’t have to kick anyone, we start from Transnistria, further than Gagauzia, and there the power will be replaced in Molavia. The truth Voronin is downright at the very least, I would have arranged a revolution a long time ago, no.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 29 November 2013 08: 55 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        we start from Transnistria, further Gagauzia,

        So the most adequate ones will have time to flee with their apiaries in Transnistria! And who will remain in that Moldova? However, it is not yet known how people will meet these signers - they can immediately rip off the bosses! As they "enter" and leave! Although, Romania will immediately try to move NATO troops into this territory, which is bad. But what about those who have stocked up with Russian passports?
  • Nickanor
    Nickanor 29 November 2013 08: 54 New
    +2
    Transnistria must be disconnected from Moldova and annexed to Russia - IMHO this is the only right move in this state of affairs.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 29 November 2013 09: 01 New
    +1
    Modavian Tajikistan. laughing
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 29 November 2013 09: 02 New
    +4
    In short, NATO is marching east.
  • Astronomer
    Astronomer 29 November 2013 09: 03 New
    13
    Moldavia under Soviet rule was an amazing republic. on the one hand, it is the southeast of Europe, a wonderful climate, a rich (by Soviet standards) population, ancient history and culture, a "crossroads" at which the Romnan, Slavic, Turkic and Germanic peoples met - it is interesting, unusually, if you are interested in this ... on the other hand, strange for the Soviet Union "features", well, for example, more than 30% of conscripts did not know the Russian language at all, in schools lice was a completely common phenomenon, a very high percentage of believers in all strata of society from collective farmers to scientists, constant family ties are second cousins , fourth cousins, godparents, godparents, etc. I understand that I have now lumped everything together here - it's just a stream of consciousness of a person who lived there for the last five years of the existence of the USSR.
    If it’s interesting, the Vlachs and Moldavians did not learn to write under the Romans, Cyril and Methodius taught them to write, and the reform of the Romanian script in the XNUMXth century was connected with purely polymeric decisions, such as the creation of the Kingdom of Romania and so on. The reform of Moldavian writing at the end of the XNUMXth century — a political joke in general — will renounce the Russian occupiers.
    By the way, life in Soviet times on the territory of the MSSR was much better than on the rest of the expanses, well, maybe excluding the Baltic states.
    And so the Russians in Moldova turned out to be invaders ... And the Soviet ones were completely enslavers of the proud Moldovan people ... In 1988, the thesis arose "One language, one people, one country, and this thesis held out until the first major earthquake in Romania, when the Moldovan PMK , venerable and civilian doctors and builders took a direct part in SNAVR on the territory of Romania - the Moldovans saw how the Romanians live and the calls for unification instantly “fizzled out.” Almost 30 years have passed - they forgot ... They want again ...
    Further, Moldovans are traditionally farmers - they will stick a stick in the ground in autumn, in the spring it will turn green, but not by itself, but thanks to work and care ... Is this what? - And to the fact that after the collapse of the Union, industry in the Republic of Moldova ordered a long life ... Ida in the European Union - there is nothing to lose ... That's just the products of the rural farming of Moldova, from wine to peaches, nobody needs in Europe either - have nowhere to go ...
    In short ... oops.
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 29 November 2013 17: 58 New
      +1
      Astronom KZ Today, 09:03 AM

      Under Soviet rule, Moldova was an amazing republic.

      Was there in the fall of 1988. Also left in some bewilderment.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 29 November 2013 09: 08 New
    11
    The main Ukraine defended ..! They will still line up for us to be accepted into the TS. Time is needed ..
  • kagorta
    kagorta 29 November 2013 09: 09 New
    +8
    Romanians are now 80% of the cadres of brothels in Europe, and now Moldovans will be added. I think there is no need to fight for anyone. Raising the standard of living in their own country + reindustrialization + "milking new colonies" (The same Moldova and other Kirgizia, provided that they do not want to integrate, if they want to then again increase their standard of living, but less than in the Customs Union) + preservation of all kinds union of the Russian Federation, Belarus and Kazakhstan with "ruthless" drawing into this union of Ukraine (even its part called Novorossia) - this is the policy of which, in my opinion, my country should be guided.
  • Akim
    Akim 29 November 2013 09: 11 New
    -5
    Moldova is interesting now only as a territory. And Russia has its own territory. Businessmen have nothing to milk from it ..
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 29 November 2013 09: 32 New
      10
      Quote: Akim
      And Russia has its own territory. Businessmen have nothing to milk from it ..

      Not everything in this world is sold for rubles and hryvnias.
      1. Akim
        Akim 29 November 2013 09: 43 New
        +3
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        Not everything in this world is sold for rubles and hryvnias.

        Unfortunately, capitalism rules our countries now. sad
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 29 November 2013 15: 03 New
          +5
          Quote: Akim
          Unfortunately, capitalism rules our countries now.

          Nothing prevents each of us from being a citizen of our country, like a real peasant (in the good sense of the word).
          1. Akim
            Akim 29 November 2013 16: 02 New
            -1
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            Nothing prevents each of us from being a citizen of our country.

            Being generates consciousness.
  • morpogr
    morpogr 29 November 2013 09: 23 New
    +6
    They were given the opportunity to live their own minds and in their own country, and they just this opportunity .. just.
  • Good
    Good 29 November 2013 09: 40 New
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    .http: //news.mail.ru/inworld/moldova/politics/15855439/

    Voronin is far from a goof, he is cunning. He plays on the opinion of the people against European integration in order to enlist the support of the masses. But he himself is looking westwards ... In his story it was already like that.
  • SAASA IVANOV
    SAASA IVANOV 29 November 2013 09: 47 New
    +9
    Eurozone captures new lands. This is a new kind of world hegemony.
  • Jarilo
    Jarilo 29 November 2013 10: 12 New
    0
    Quote: Akim
    at least look at their biography

    I looked, I give a reference:
    Andrei Gromyko was born on July 5, 1909 in the Gomel region, on Belarusian lands in the village of Stary Gromyki, the Northwest Territory of the Russian Empire (now the Svetilovichi Village Council of the Vetka District of the Gomel Region in Belarus).
    Konstantin Ustinovich Chernenko: Father, Ustin Demidovich, moved from Ukraine to the Siberian village of Bolshaya Tes of the Novosyolovsky district of the Krasnoyarsk Territory at the end of the XNUMXth century.
    All of them are from Dnepropetrovsk.
    1. Akim
      Akim 29 November 2013 10: 17 New
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      Quote: Jarilo
      I looked, I give a reference:

      And what connects them with Ukraine? Yes, and before it was not measured. The Caucasus is understandable. They have their own subcultures, which at that time were localized only among them.
      1. Jarilo
        Jarilo 29 November 2013 11: 18 New
        +6
        You quickly give up yours, this is bad.
        1. Akim
          Akim 29 November 2013 11: 34 New
          -5
          Quote: Jarilo
          You quickly give up yours, this is bad.

          From whom exactly? Of course, in modern Russia it is pleasant to associate the legend that the Ukrainian Khrushchev gave the Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR. Just starting to go into it - the legend is falling apart
          1. Jarilo
            Jarilo 29 November 2013 11: 49 New
            +3
            If you follow your logic, then those who left Ukraine are not Ukrainians. It is logical to assume that anyone who came to Ukraine becomes a Ukrainian. In relation to Khrushchev, this is further supported by the fact that he became related to Ukraine.
            1. Akim
              Akim 29 November 2013 11: 59 New
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              Quote: Jarilo
              If you follow your logic, then those who left Ukraine are not Ukrainians.

              Brezhnev wrote Russian in his passport or military ID. Is it a matter of nationality?
              1. Jarilo
                Jarilo 29 November 2013 12: 10 New
                +3
                No, of course, it’s a matter of honor, which Russian officers could not drop before.
                1. Akim
                  Akim 29 November 2013 12: 20 New
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                  Quote: Jarilo
                  No, of course, it’s a matter of honor, which Russian officers could not drop before.

                  I did not understand the logic. How can Khrushchev and Brezhnev be connected with Russian officers?
                  1. Jarilo
                    Jarilo 29 November 2013 12: 35 New
                    +1
                    Is not it so? Not just Russian, Russian officers.
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 29 November 2013 12: 57 New
                      0
                      Quote: Jarilo
                      Not just Russian, Russian officers.

                      Expand please. I understand less and less.
                      1. Jarilo
                        Jarilo 29 November 2013 13: 12 New
                        +3
                        Khrushchev: He ended the war with the rank of lieutenant general
                        Brezhnev: Member of the Victory Parade on June 24, 1945, commissioner of the combined regiment of the 4th Ukrainian Front.
                      2. Akim
                        Akim 29 November 2013 13: 29 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Jarilo
                        Khrushchev: He ended the war with the rank of lieutenant general

                        Do not make me laugh. From them officers, as from a cow horses. We walked along the party line in the army.
                      3. Hudo
                        Hudo 29 November 2013 13: 49 New
                        +5
                        Quote: Akim
                        Do not make me laugh. From them officers, as from a cow horses. We walked along the party line in the army.

                        I won’t say anything about Khrushchev, but about Brezhnev - he, among other things, crossed several times through Tsemesskaya Bay in a walking skiff, and even under the shooting.
                        If you can not boast of something more? No? So hold your excessively talkative language.

                        Specially, for akims of kinship not remembering:

                        In April 1943, Soviet troops fought fierce battles near Novorossiysk. A piece of land recaptured from the enemy was called Lesser Land. On the outskirts of the city, a powerful anti-airborne defense was created, approaches from the sea were covered by minefields.

                        more - http://pobeda.elar.ru/myshako/myshako_1.html
                      4. Akim
                        Akim 29 November 2013 14: 38 New
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                        Quote: Hudo
                        If you can not boast of something more? No? So hold your excessively talkative language.

                        What should I brag about? As for Leonid Ilyich, however, I can agree.
                      5. Hudo
                        Hudo 29 November 2013 14: 53 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Akim
                        What should I brag about?

                        No need to smear a decent person with mud.
                        Quote: Akim
                        As for Leonid Ilyich впрочем I can agree

                        He was still alive, not very much in need of favors .., and already dead and even more so. They remember him and the dead, but whether they will remember you is a big question.
                      6. Akim
                        Akim 29 November 2013 15: 04 New
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                        Quote: Hudo
                        whether they will remember you is a big question.

                        Me? What for? His, of course, will be remembered. A couple of generations.
                2. Jarilo
                  Jarilo 29 November 2013 13: 55 New
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                  In tsarist times, officers were from the nobility, and what does this mean? That they received appropriate upbringing and education.
                3. creak
                  creak 29 November 2013 14: 08 New
                  +5
                  Not quite so, cadets and military schools accepted immigrants from all classes of the Russian Empire, and not just nobles ... Nobles, from wealthy aristocratic families, served mainly in parts of the Life Guards, since the service there was associated with high expenses .A judging by the published memoirs of officers of those times, military schools did indeed provide good upbringing and education.
  • Cormorants
    Cormorants 29 November 2013 10: 31 New
    +8
    "Damn," these are scoundrels, all the leading posts in Moldova are occupied by Romanians, it is clear why there is such a situation.
  • Cormorants
    Cormorants 29 November 2013 10: 35 New
    +2
    Quote: Veter
    Quote: Akim
    On what basis?

    On the same, on which the USA recognized the independence of Kosovo ...

    Yes sir!
    1. Akim
      Akim 29 November 2013 10: 49 New
      -2
      Quote: Cormorants
      Yes sir!

      And if you think?
  • PDM80
    PDM80 29 November 2013 10: 41 New
    +8
    That's when you read about the fact that Russian passports are issued to anyone from other states, in which then GDP grows at our expense, it becomes a shame for the state. A person must be worthy and useful for Russia in order to obtain her citizenship. The example of amirecos in this regard is positive and should be adopted, given the fact that the strength of our country is growing.
  • REDBLUE
    REDBLUE 29 November 2013 10: 59 New
    +5
    I don’t understand the only thing. Why are we so friendly in issuing passports to those who so requested freedom from Russia. Well gone and gone. Got your freedom and let them live there. After all, by and large, they do not want a union with the Russian Federation. They are simply ready to work as Ravshans and Jamshuts. Do we need them ???
    1. Troy
      Troy 29 November 2013 16: 02 New
      +5
      Exactly. And ethnic Russians who want to return to their historical homeland for more than one year are waiting for permission to obtain citizenship, and even they are bred for bribes. Of course, where to get the passport and visa service time, they are busy with every Moldovan Tajik-Uzbek Uzbek shushary negative
  • Pushkar
    Pushkar 29 November 2013 11: 44 New
    +2
    I’ve been working with Moldovans for ten or fifteen years. So, every Moldovan citizen who has become a citizen of Russia has a fresh passport of a Moldovan citizen in his zagashnik, and many also have a Romanian passport. (One of the great mind made copies of all three passports and went to the Federal Migration Service to register, it was a laugh) So, Moldova had long ago resolved all these issues and would have gone on foot on an erotic journey.
  • sashka
    sashka 29 November 2013 11: 53 New
    +4
    We cannot be "mamas" for all maydauns. Themselves choose the path .. Flag in hand and forward ..
  • washi
    washi 29 November 2013 13: 20 New
    +3
    you don't have to be "pretty and fluffy" for everyone. There are national (Russian) and national (Russian) interests. And they must be defended
  • Tektor
    Tektor 29 November 2013 14: 24 New
    +5
    Transnistria is such a small enclave that accession to the Russian Federation will be completely invisible. But there will be a PRECEDENT.
    1. sashka
      sashka 30 November 2013 11: 59 New
      0
      Yes .. It’s logical. The question is where to go? And does it make sense to climb under a skirt. Maybe you really need to start working?
  • propolsky
    propolsky 29 November 2013 15: 12 New
    0
    The Moldovan leadership is striving for Europe to live as prominent politicians of the West, Romania needs someone to live worse than themselves, plus slogans about Greater Romania still live, although it has been a century since Europe sneezed at all (will live as we say, because the hierarchy is who over whom already exists). In this whole process, people are not taken into account (well, until they escape from despair). The latter are very sorry.
  • Glagol
    Glagol 29 November 2013 15: 35 New
    +4
    As civilized Europeans bursting - ready for everything, if only to expand.
    How to reorient them - from east to south, would bring freedom to Africa.
    And we would be left alone ...
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  • Tamparu
    Tamparu 29 November 2013 16: 20 New
    +5
    In Transnistria, most of the former Soviet enterprises that worked for the military-industrial complex are now working for the Russian defense industry. Overwhelmed with orders for which they pay well. At the same time, the equipment in the factories was preserved, practically nothing was cut, they expected that everything would return. And, therefore, I do not think that the inhabitants of Transnistria will want to go under ...
    1. sashka
      sashka 29 November 2013 19: 56 New
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      Quote: TampaRU
      I don’t think that the inhabitants of Transnistria will want to go under ...

      Well, so do not get used to it.
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  • Tamparu
    Tamparu 29 November 2013 16: 25 New
    +6
    At the same time, I am sure that there are still so many weapons hidden in the Pridnestrovian "caches" in case of "1992" that it will not be long before the Romanian-Moldavian semi-collective farm army will decide to annex Pridnestrovie ...
    1. Vasek
      Vasek 29 November 2013 23: 46 New
      0
      Quote: TampaRU
      semi-collective farm army decides to annex Transnistria


      Army in 1992 did not take part only "completely collective farm" police.
      But this does not change the whole goat essence of that "conflict".
      And then the police were inflated so much that now the kaydiy was drawing the second - the former "love".
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  • Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 29 November 2013 16: 31 New
    +4
    In the Constitutional Court of Moldova, five out of six judges have Romanian passports.

    And we have about the same. Why is dual citizenship in Russia?
    You need to cancel it fuck. And then, as Posner - passports have Russian, and French and the United States. It must be done in Germany, there is no dual citizenship.
    1. Tamparu
      Tamparu 29 November 2013 16: 42 New
      0
      God save ... laughing
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    3. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 29 November 2013 17: 15 New
      +4
      Quote: Sergei Medvedev
      And then, as Posner - passports have Russian, and French and the United States.

      Pozner generally needs to deliver an ultimatum. Or work on 1 TV with one Russian passport, or let the program lead in the "mattress". An internationalist hrenoff.
  • Mhpv
    Mhpv 29 November 2013 17: 03 New
    +1
    Money comes from those who work in Russia, Ukraine, in the EU countries.

    Moldovans are now working in most sinks in Moscow and Moscow oblast, so as soon as these ranks begin to thin, the process of Moldova’s European integration has begun, with the help of Russia. laughing
    On this occasion, a good proverb in Ukraine:
    "Bachili eyes, they were kupuvali, now uzhte, I want to do it."
  • Mhpv
    Mhpv 29 November 2013 17: 03 New
    +1
    Money comes from those who work in Russia, Ukraine, in the EU countries.

    Moldovans are now working in most sinks in Moscow and Moscow oblast, so as soon as these ranks begin to thin, the process of Moldova’s European integration has begun, with the help of Russia. laughing
    On this occasion, a good proverb in Ukraine:
    "Bachili eyes, they were kupuvali, now uzhte, I want to do it."
    1. Farik
      Farik 29 November 2013 17: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: mhpv
      Moldovans are now working in most sinks in Moscow and Moscow oblast, so as soon as these ranks begin to thin, the process of Moldova’s European integration has begun, with the help of Russia.

      To whom will we order cheap apartment repair?)
  • Mister X
    Mister X 29 November 2013 18: 15 New
    +1
    former I.O. President of the country Mihai Ghimpu regarding the citizenship of the judges of the Constitutional Court said
    what he would only be for if the unification of Moldova and Romania took place
    Author Volodin Alexey

    Whistling and shouting the right slogans are all great.
    It's called "Playing for the audience".
    But in fact it turns out that Monsieur Ghimpu copies the habits of Panikovsky:
    "You give me the Central Russian Upland, then I will sign the convention."
    In our case, the following interpretation is possible:
    “Choose me as president of Greater Romania and I will sign everything that they slip me in.”
    Or does someone naively think that after the merger all ministries and departments will be duplicated?
    Who will abandon his ministerial portfolio in favor of a merger?
    After all, there will not be two ministers of finance or internal affairs.
    All posts will be reduced by half.

    The association agreement with the EU contains more than 900 pages.
    Signed each page.
    Sign and smile at the cameras - you’ll get tired,
    but to read and analyze everything - this titanic work is not for collective farmers,
    who seized power.
    I doubt that they at least read the text of this agreement before signing it.
    They’re climbing out of their way to justify the hopes of the “EU commissars” and Uncle Sam.
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  • Cristall
    Cristall 29 November 2013 18: 47 New
    +2
    Strange article. Why yes why ...
    Okay, I would have understood the article with the title "Why Ukraine .." is a trend .. but Moldova was touched a little. There was almost no struggle there. Well, they could not, did not want to, do not need, do not need to - how do we know.
    For each "Ukraine, Syria and others .." to fight, no one has enough resources.
    Personally, my request --- cool down after six months of discussion of Ukraine and its people.
    Today I went to the VO in the list of Discussed-all articles about UKRAINE! ..... and this is to VO ... and the articles are not about the Sun.
    We respect each other. Each brick of the wall is made or pulled out of the wall only by ourselves ...
    1. sashka
      sashka 29 November 2013 20: 04 New
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      Quote: Cristall
      Each brick of the wall is made or pulled out of the wall only by ourselves ...

      Beautiful style .. But there should be a continuation
    2. SV
      SV 29 November 2013 21: 49 New
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      really pi what is "military review" ???????????????
    3. SV
      SV 29 November 2013 21: 56 New
      0
      really what does "military review" have to do with it ???????????????
      Quote: Cristall
      Today I went to the VO in the list of Discussed-all articles about UKRAINE! ..... and this is to VO ... and the articles are not about the Sun.
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  • Tamparu
    Tamparu 29 November 2013 19: 33 New
    +1
    Cristall UA  Today, 18:47 New


    Strange article. Why yes why ...
    Okay, I would have understood the article with the title "Why Ukraine .." is a trend .. but Moldova was touched a little. There was almost no struggle there. Well, they could not, did not want to, do not need, do not need to - how do we know.
    For each "Ukraine, Syria and others .." to fight, no one has enough resources.
    Personally, my request --- cool down after six months of discussion of Ukraine and its people.
    Today I went to the VO in the list of Discussed-all articles about UKRAINE! ..... and this is to VO ... and the articles are not about the Sun.
    We respect each other. Each brick of the wall is made or pulled out of the wall only by ourselves ... [quote = Cristall]


    Here I totally agree. I, a citizen of the Russian Federation living in Ukraine (it happened so), see that there is a certain misunderstanding of ordinary people living in the Russian Federation, what is happening in this country. It seems that a "damaged phone" is working and no one wants to repair it. And as a result, as in that fable by Krylov "Swan, Cancer and Pike". And if no one wants to repair it all the same, then people sitting at different ends of the wire at the end will stop understanding each other, and then everything ... "paragraph", arrived ...
  • Akim
    Akim 29 November 2013 20: 32 New
    -1
    Quote: Gluxar_
    But recognition of the independence of Siberia or Arizona is extremely difficult.

    About Siberia, even scary to imagine. But Arizona can legally be an independent state. Only she does not want.
    1. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 29 November 2013 20: 40 New
      +2
      Quote: Akim
      But Arizona can legally be an independent state. Only she does not want.

      They forgot about Texas. Who can legally separate from the will of the people, but they won’t give it, even if the people want to!
      http://expert.ru/2011/03/9/tehas-na-chetvert-nezavisim/
    2. avg
      avg 29 November 2013 21: 59 New
      +1
      How will they deliver them in case you don’t bring Goopod, why?

      Akim, go to Deribasovskaya to meet the valiant marine corps of the Black Sea Fleet? Unless of course they are vegetable gardens, they won’t go through the Dniester estuary. wink
  • Cristall
    Cristall 29 November 2013 23: 42 New
    +2
    To go to the rear of the Romanians? Or for joint participation in the parade with the Ukrainian? smile
    It’s difficult to march on Deribasovskaya ... you forgot what kind of coverage there is.
    Quote: TampaRU
    "damaged phone" and no one wants to repair it

    yes, this is typical here about Russia, we also find out the news either from Channel One - where everything is good, or others that everything is terrible (I mean cable and Internet channels) either through the Runet, where the same, or somewhere else - but the same "phone"
    In the mind, by the way, a fact still sits, I learned the news about the flood in the Far East. I thought - what a grief. And only after a while I realized how far this was, and not at first thought that it was generally in another country. I still can’t refuse to think 1/6 of the planet (apparently, Soviet education is affecting)
    So why am I - as we raise children ourselves, so will our people. Our parents tried, politicians also try. Let's overdo it better than politicians!
  • Cristall
    Cristall 29 November 2013 23: 42 New
    0
    To go to the rear of the Romanians? Or for joint participation in the parade with the Ukrainian? smile
    It’s difficult to march on Deribasovskaya ... you forgot what kind of coverage there is.
    Quote: TampaRU
    "damaged phone" and no one wants to repair it

    yes, this is typical here about Russia, we also find out the news either from Channel One - where everything is good, or others that everything is terrible (I mean cable and Internet channels) either through the Runet, where the same, or somewhere else - but the same "phone"
    In the mind, by the way, a fact still sits, I learned the news about the flood in the Far East. I thought - what a grief. And only after a while I realized how far this was, and not at first thought that it was generally in another country. I still can’t refuse to think 1/6 of the planet (apparently, Soviet education is affecting)
    So why am I - as we raise children ourselves, so will our people. Our parents tried, politicians also try. Let's overdo it better than politicians!
  • Cristall
    Cristall 30 November 2013 01: 00 New
    0
    Christmas trees, where is the dubbing from? And do not erase
  • Cristall
    Cristall 30 November 2013 01: 00 New
    +1
    Christmas trees, where is the dubbing from? And do not erase
  • Akim
    Akim 30 November 2013 05: 50 New
    0
    After looking at the comments to the article, evaluating what was previously written, I realized that in Russia a radically different opinion is not allowed. Apparently from a thousand kilometers you can see better than us in an hour and a half drive. And it's not about the minuses that I gathered today immeasurably. The point is that I’m tired of proving that there is a third opinion that does not support either side. But the principle at the forum is: "He who is not with us is against us."
    Moreover, Voennoye Obozreniye is slipping further and further into a political platform for discussion. Even purely military topics are turned into a show of political orientation. I cannot write translations here (especially Polish ones) from foreign military sites, because they get an absurd connotation of politics, and not a sober conversation on a military profile. Voennoye Obozreniye began to acquire more demagogy and less professionalism. In such conditions, I do not want to continue communication further. Do you like everything to be as smooth as on paper, or as your rulers said? Well, stay a club for those interests. Good luck to you. hi
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 30 November 2013 14: 28 New
      0
      in general, sometimes you need to go against everyone, against the system. Despite the consequences. Maybe it's a job, but it will not be lost. At least for me a beautiful example. The system puts disadvantages for you, because you are not with everyone.
      And you forget - I, for example, did not put any pros or cons to anyone. I am sure that you will make the button "Shoot the interlocutor" and it will be pressed if only "bulo"
      It is impossible to read all these articles without you and Kars and other few Ukrainians - I personally would have gone crazy.
  • Alexei
    Alexei 30 November 2013 13: 00 New
    +1
    50% of the residents of Moldova (even without Transnistria) are for the Customs Union. They even collected the required number of signatures for organizing a referendum on this issue, but the local euro "democrats" - leaders in every possible way blur the decision. But parliamentary elections are coming soon and it may well be that a lot will change.