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Anatoly Halatny

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Last week, the head of the Investigative Committee of Russia, Alexander Bastrykin, said that in the near future, regarding the Anatoly Serdyukov, the RF IC will present something that can “please everyone”:


We conducted a whole range of financial and economic examinations, since this is an economically difficult matter. And we will soon have changes that will please everyone, I would say so, so carefully ...


And in the morning of November 28 on the official website of the Investigative Committee of Russia, it was reported that the ex-Minister of Defense received a new status, turning from a witness to an accused.

Anatoly Halatny


The Main Military Investigation Department (GVSU) of the RF IC unleashed a criminal case against Anatoly Serdyukov on the “Negligence” article (Art.293, part.1). The former defense minister is accused of being in a ministerial position, he instructed his subordinates to build a highway in the Astrakhan region before the well-known (or rather scandalous) well-known recreation center “Zhitnoye”, and in addition to work on landscaping of the base itself. In GVSU of the RF IC, they note that the labor of soldiers serving at the time of conscription, as well as budget funds, was used. At the same time, the investigators did not find any documents that could substantiate the feasibility of this type of construction for the needs of the Ministry of Defense, as well as the legal rights of the Ministry of Defense for the constructed road and the “sanitized” base. In other words, Anatoly Serdyukov explained to someone verbally that the construction site was very necessary, and the one to whom he explained this fulfilled the verbal order of the minister, taking the visor.
The Investigation Committee announced that after the large-scale inspections carried out, the road to the Zhitnoye recreation center, and the base itself was put on the balance of the main military department. The total damage to which Serdyukov was involved in the “Zhitnensk case” was estimated by the investigators to be 56 million rubles (let's say, lower than the cost of an “ordinary” apartment in Molochny Pereulok ...)

What threatens the ex-minister according to the letter ch.1 st. 293, which he now passes as a suspect (well, “what does it threaten?” - this is if the court finds Serdyukov guilty)? First you need to quote the actual first paragraph of this article:

Negligence, that is, non-fulfillment or improper fulfillment by an official of his duties as a result of unfair or negligent attitude to the service, if this resulted in major damage or a substantial violation of the rights and legitimate interests of citizens or organizations or legally protected interests of the society or the state ...

And here is the punishment that can "shine" to the defendant (convict):

... shall be punished with a fine of up to one hundred twenty thousand rubles, or in the amount of the salary or other income of the convicted person for a period of up to one year, or compulsory work for up to three hundred and sixty hours, or correctional work for up to one year, or arrest for up to three months.


Even if it doesn’t particularly extend to the topic of why “before” billions appeared in the case, and now the sums of damage have fallen, as the mathematicians say, by two orders of magnitude, then the charge, and especially the hypothetical punishment, looks, to put it mildly, unintelligible. Why are there "unintelligible" - they look funny. Therefore, the words of Alexander Bastrykin that “the changes will please everyone” can be rephrased as “they will all laugh”. Well, in fact, the article “Negligence” is probably the most naive thing you could think of in this regard. After all, it turns out that without signing any documents to achieve the construction of a road to a private shop at public expense, and even with the hands of a free “workers” in the form of recruiting soldiers - this is just an improper performance of their duties ... And to achieve construction by the Minister, who is loudest he trumpeted that it was not a matter for a soldier to build a general's cottage and dig potatoes, but his business was to comprehend military science ...

But even if one makes an incredible effort and supposes that negligence looks like this now, then what effort should be made to explain why for the 56-millionth (voiced) damage to the figurant a penalty in the amount of up to 120 thousand rubles or arrest for a term again “ up to three months! .. As you can see, the article of the Criminal Code contains other variants of punishments, but, to be honest, it is hard to believe that Anatoly Eduardovich will be busy for a year for some correctional work ... If not to take, of course, »Works, for example, in" Rostec ".

A number of Russian media (for example, the Trud newspaper) publish materials in which some unnamed sources close to the investigation state the possibility of changing the article for the ex-minister to a more rigid one. In particular, we can talk about the clerical work under article 285 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (“Abuse of official powers”). In this article there is, for example, part two, which says:

The same act (use by an official of his official duties against the interests of the service - author's note), committed by a person holding a public office of the Russian Federation or a public office of a subject of the Russian Federation, as well as the head of a local government body.

According to the h.2, Art.285, the person involved may face the maximum penalty of seven years in prison.

However, the retraining, as well as the actual term for the ex-minister, are all purely hypothetical substances. And to talk about them on the basis of words represented by certain "unnamed sources" is clearly too early.

Meanwhile, deputies from the Communist Party faction in the State Duma expressed the initiative to launch a parliamentary investigation regarding the activities of Anatoly Serdyukov as head of the defense department. About this, in particular, said Yuri Sinelschikov (member of the Committee on Civil, Criminal, Arbitration and Procedural Law), the former first deputy of the capital prosecutor. To start a parliamentary investigation under the law, it is necessary to point out the facts of violation of constitutional rights and all the circumstances of an emergency. The CPRF believes that there are necessary grounds for this.

There are grounds, yes, but it is strange that the deputies are recalling the possibility of a parliamentary investigation into all the “defense service” peripetias just now. It was involuntarily thought that the legislators, who identify themselves as members of the parliamentary opposition, were waiting for a peculiar dubbing - in the form of transferring Serdyukov from the status of a witness to the status of a suspect. Like, now you can ... And before that, it turns out, the deputies were hindered by the start of their investigation ... Will they be given to start it now? ..

It is noteworthy that the aforementioned Yuri Sinelshchikov himself also left the supervising (in the Moscow prosecutor's office) at one time, not at will. From the decision of the Prosecutor General’s Office regarding the dismissal of Sinelshchikov after the checks carried out in 2003:

... for the systematic inadequate performance of official duties, expressed in the failure to ensure the actual improvement of the supervision of the preliminary investigation in the Moscow prosecutor's office.


By the way, it should be noted that the lawyers of Anatoly Serdyukov (and now there are two of them: Heinrich Padva and Konstantin Rivkin) declare that they did not receive any notice of initiation of a criminal case against their client ... Rivkin notes that Serdyukov has so far received only a subpoena for interrogation (it is not clear what quality it is now) in the RF IC. At the same time, Anatoly Eduardovich himself does not recognize his guilt (under the article “Negligence”), the media also learned from the lawyers of the ex-minister.

Some piquant situation: I did not receive notifications about the initiation of proceedings, but no longer admitted guilt ... As they say, I did not read it, but I condemn it ...

Turning away from Anatoly Serdyukov, it is worth paying attention to another figure of a big cause - Evgeny Vasilyev. Recently, she began to actively deliver speeches through the media, giving various interviews and publishing open letters. It’s pretty simple to describe the essence of the interview with the words of the heroine of a famous Soviet film: “I’m not to blame ...” One of the most recent interviews, Ms. Vasilieva gave to TK Rain, which she shared with Ksenia Sobchak “the most intimate” by inviting her the lane.



Sobchak "walked" around the apartment with a total area (according to Vasilyeva) 192 sq.m. The hostess offered a guest ... drying, conducted through the rooms, decorated in classic beige tones, reminiscent of some lordly chambers. Eugenia Nikolaevna told that the apartment “has been around for a long time”, that the grandmother collected the furniture, that there are no 13 rooms, and then, sitting in a snow-white armchair, she said that the Oboronsersisa case was a quotation: “a misunderstanding”.



After this and other interviews, an official representative of the RF IC said that the investigation would petition to arrest Vasilyeva. The main reason is that Vasilyeva through the media can give signals about the “right behavior” to other persons involved in the case with which she is prohibited to communicate.

And this material ends with a tune from the TV series "Santa Barbara" ...

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  1. Canep
    Canep 29 November 2013 06: 41
    42
    Finally! But why wait a whole year? But I suppose this criminal case was concocted only to silence public outrage. And if the case comes to court, the term will be ridiculous and conditional. And Serdyukov will continue to work in the sweat of his brow at Rostekhnologii.
    1. Sunjar
      Sunjar 29 November 2013 07: 01
      24
      Because there is a serious struggle within the government. Someone who is very serious, Serdyukov, roofs and accordingly puts sticks in the wheels of the so-called justice. And for so long because the accused do not really want to give each other offal (not only money but also life can be lost), and the opposing side wants to do everything according to the law so that the mosquito does not undermine the nose. Khodorkovsky is now not considered a political prisoner. And it is planned to deal with this from a legal point of view impeccably (the people will still be reproached, even if they are imprisoned, they will say that they gave little and a long time to understand). If they plant it, then the liberal wing will be seriously damaged and it will be possible to press further.
      1. krasin
        krasin 29 November 2013 07: 10
        40
        How tired of this gang! Hurry to be shot and forget!
        1. Commander
          Commander 29 November 2013 12: 00
          +1
          Five points!!!! good
        2. DEfindER
          DEfindER 29 November 2013 13: 11
          +6
          Quote: krasin
          Hurry to be shot and forget!

          sorry now is not the 37th ...
          otherwise it would have been a long time ago:
          To shoot!
          1. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg 30 November 2013 01: 50
            -3
            Quote: DEfindER
            sorry now is not the 37th ...


            Yes pah on you. I would now sit in a sunny Magadan leger and would dream at least to smell the ram ...
        3. alone
          alone 29 November 2013 19: 13
          +2
          Quote: krasin
          How tired of this gang! Hurry to be shot and forget!


          Yah! take it straight and shoot! for negligence? lolMaximum 2 years of probation. Minimum fine 100000 rubles + community service!

          The negligent conscientiously stole and shared with the common fund. They do not plant such !!
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 07: 26
        18
        Quote: Sunjar
        . Someone who is very serious, Serdyukov, roofs and accordingly puts sticks in the wheels of the so-called justice.

        Who will put the sticks in the wheels if the face team sounded from Putin? And at the same time, which of the investigators will initiate UD against Serdyukov, if Putin himself is the roof laughing Not boys, it’s necessary to somehow determine wassat
        1. ZU-23
          ZU-23 29 November 2013 08: 57
          +7
          He will not even sweat for negligence, the condition is at least, and theft and corruption have never been seen, they have not been shown.
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 29 November 2013 09: 10
            +5
            Quote: ZU-23
            For negligence, he does not even sweat, a condition at least


            Vladimir Putin (President-Prime Minister):


            We need to look not at whether Vasiliev is sitting, but at whether other innocent people are sitting.





            1. shuhartred
              shuhartred 29 November 2013 11: 17
              0
              That is, according to you, Vasiliev is not to blame for anything? No.
          2. Very old
            Very old 29 November 2013 12: 12
            +1
            The namesake-ZU-23, have not been proven? Did you want to? The remaining questions are simply fiction
          3. duke
            duke 29 November 2013 12: 54
            +1
            as the unforgettable old Schwonder said, this is some kind of ... shame !!! and his girlfriend in a cap - Do you know the professor, if you were not a European luminary, and you would not be interceded in the most outrageous way, you should be arrested ...
        2. Sunjar
          Sunjar 29 November 2013 08: 59
          +9
          Quote: Alexander Romanov

          Who will put the sticks in the wheels if the face team sounded from Putin? And at the same time, which of the investigators will initiate UD against Serdyukov, if Putin himself is the roof laughing Not boys, it’s necessary to somehow determine wassat


          Do you have concrete evidence that it is Putin who protects Serdyukov, or at least a reasoned justification for this position? Or do you think that Putin is sovereign and how he says it will be so?

          I believe that Putin is opposing liberalism, because it was Putin who ruled in the war with Chechnya (not with an ideal result, but he could), and the war in Chechnya is profitable and the opposite result was desirable for liberalism. Putin stopped the further collapse of Russia into smaller states. In the 2000 year, many regions were going to secede: Tatarstan, Siberia, the Far East. In Tatarstan, they wrote their own constitution, came up with their own money (did not have time to start printing). At the beginning of his reign, the oligarch Deripaska called Putin the top manager of Russia, and that they have real power. First, Putin figured out Khodorkovsky. There, Berezovsky and Abramovich frightened off from Russia with fear. Later, Putin in Pikalevo arranged a demonstrative flogging of them by chastising them like boys in a lesson, thereby showing that not all power was concentrated. But this still does not mean that Putin can do anything and no one is confronting him.

          Also, Putin taxied the situation in Syria. The story is not over yet, but still. None of the liberals licking the backside of the West would have begun to poke into this question, as Medvedved had leaked Libya at one time.

          All this together indicates that Putin is fighting as much as possible with the oligarchy and is more liberal. And the balance of power is still equal. Therefore, many bastards are still free.
          1. Serg 122
            Serg 122 29 November 2013 09: 13
            +1
            The anti-corruption policy line receives new organizational reinforcement. It is expected that in the near future a presidential anti-corruption department will be created. This structure of the presidential administration can become the coordination headquarters of all anti-corruption work. Unofficial reports that the president may sign a decree this week to create a new anti-corruption structure are not surprising.

            This is an incomplete news text. Read more on the website vz.ru


            So the breeze blew, but still VERY weak ....
            1. ale-x
              ale-x 29 November 2013 10: 19
              +8
              Chubais will probably lead ....
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 29 November 2013 12: 41
                +3
                No, Serdyukov will be appointed ....
            2. arnulla
              arnulla 29 November 2013 13: 21
              0
              The creation of this department suggests that the Liberals are not particularly fond of fighting corruption, although in words they flood no worse than nightingales.
            3. builder
              builder 29 November 2013 14: 17
              0

              Quote: Serg 122
              So the breeze blew, but still VERY weak ....
          2. Vadivak
            Vadivak 29 November 2013 09: 23
            20
            Quote: Sunjar
            it was Putin who ruled in the war with Chechnya (not with an ideal result, but he could)


            What war? What are you speaking about? With strong power, Chechnya could be rolled out under the ice rink and a tank training ground could be set up there. Stalin resolved the issue with Chechnya in three days, because he did not care about the world community or how you write
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 09: 33
              +9
              Quote: Vadivak
              Stalin resolved the issue with Chechnya in three days,

              Hello! In the time of Stalin, there were no human rights defenders and other things. Yes, and the Americans did not help Chechens at that time. Now everything is much more complicated.
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 29 November 2013 12: 42
                +2
                Well, as if under Stalin, almost 15 years had flown up with them too for the time being. Then two questions were decided but not coordinately enough.
              2. Vadivak
                Vadivak 29 November 2013 13: 05
                +4
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Hello! In the days of Stalin, there were no human rights defenders


                Hello Sasha. I think there were human rights activists, only their leader was Lavrenty Palych
            2. stroporez
              stroporez 29 November 2013 11: 50
              +3
              Quote: Vadivak
              Stalin resolved the issue with Chechnya in three days,
              --- no need to compare worms with GIG
          3. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 09: 32
            +2
            Quote: Sunjar
            Do you have concrete evidence that it is Putin who protects Serdyukov, or at least a reasoned justification for this position? Or do you think that Putin is sovereign and how he says it will be so?

            This is exactly what I ask of many, but it’s not clear who is protecting whom laughing
            1. APES
              APES 29 November 2013 10: 35
              0
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              , but it’s not clear who roofs whom


              they themselves are confused: who whom wink

              another force is needed that will "seat" everyone in their places
          4. Antiaircrafter
            Antiaircrafter 29 November 2013 09: 39
            +8
            I support. Even with the omnipotent Joseph Vissarionovich, there was an internal and implacable war with the party nomenclature. And at the moment, after the dermocratic transformations of the 90s, one can only imagine what miracles are happening upstairs.
          5. 222222
            222222 29 November 2013 11: 43
            +6
            Sunjar RU Today, 08:59 ↑
            "You have concrete evidence that it is Putin who is protecting Serdyukov."
            "Do you have a plan, Mr. Fix? - Do I have a plan? Do I have a plan? Yes, I have three plans!"
            (Xnumx days around the world)
            08.02.2013/2011/XNUMX .... "even before the initiation of a criminal case, in the summer of XNUMX, V. Putin and D. I. Medvedev rested in Zhitnoye. They spent two days there and, apparently, were able to fully appreciate the efforts of the" landscapers ". After that, Medvedev went there twice more, the last time with his wife ... "
            http://www.rutinto.ru/news/travel/266/
            ..kagal does not surrender ...
            1. washi
              washi 29 November 2013 14: 44
              0
              [quote = 222222] Sunjar RU Today, 08:59 ↑
              "
              08.02.2013/2011/XNUMX .... "even before the initiation of a criminal case, in the summer of XNUMX, V. Putin and D. I. Medvedev rested in Zhitnoye. They spent two days there and, apparently, were able to fully appreciate the efforts of the" landscapers ". After that, Medvedev went there twice more, the last time with his wife ... "
              http://www.rutinto.ru/news/travel/266/
              But you never know with whom I rested. So what? Am I now a minister?
              1. 222222
                222222 29 November 2013 15: 03
                0
                Vasya (4) SU Today, 14:44 ↑
                @ Yes you never know with whom I rested. So what? Am I a minister now? "
                Neither I, nor you sway anyone, since we are not in the "first circle", i.e. not in public big politics .. (not on the "Gallery") .....
              2. brelok
                brelok 30 November 2013 06: 48
                0
                Quote: Vasya
                But you never know with whom I rested. So what? Am I now a minister?

                VISIBLE NOT ITEM AND NOT THERE.
          6. DEfindER
            DEfindER 29 November 2013 13: 30
            -1
            Quote: Sunjar
            I believe that Putin is opposing liberalism,

            I completely agree, for who shot Serdyukov, Putin. It’s just that the liberals threatened him - you will arrange a new 37th year, there will be a civil war for you, they have the funds for it, it’s even known that the birch was preparing a new coup in Russia .. and the marshland was sponsored by the Americans through Georgian Targamadze .. It's not so simple in this world, Stalin was able to achieve full power only through repression, whether Putin will go to them, a good question ..
            1. east
              east 29 November 2013 21: 01
              +1
              The question is, who appointed him?
              1. DEfindER
                DEfindER 30 November 2013 10: 17
                0
                Quote: timur
                The question is, who appointed him?

                The question is, but Putin, what is Wang, to know in advance all the steps of his subordinates?
          7. max702
            max702 29 November 2013 13: 34
            +1
            Putin does not roof the local oligarchs, but answers to his leadership from the Washington regional committee, so he periodically chases comrades clamping down on party contributions, about the situation in Syria. It looks like a big show played to increase the guarantor rating abroad, and especially within our country, note that after this international triumph, what decisions were made in domestic politics, and Syria, alas, is not going anywhere today, tomorrow ... all the same, Russia is a much more important and tasty piece than unfortunate Syria.
            1. washi
              washi 29 November 2013 14: 48
              -2
              Quote: max702
              Putin does not roof the local oligarchs, but answers to his leadership from the Washington regional committee, so he periodically chases comrades clamping down on party contributions, about the situation in Syria. It looks like a big show played to increase the guarantor rating abroad, and especially within our country, note that after this international triumph, what decisions were made in domestic politics, and Syria, alas, is not going anywhere today, tomorrow ... all the same, Russia is a much more important and tasty piece than unfortunate Syria.

              Yeah of course.
              Surnames of screenwriters, please
        3. FREGATENKAPITAN
          FREGATENKAPITAN 29 November 2013 10: 39
          +3
          I do not agree ......... the matter has such a public outcry that even the main roofer cannot ignore it, ........ they simply explained to Serdyukov that they’re not afraid, you’ll get a conditional couple of years ..........
          1. Eugeniy_369
            Eugeniy_369 29 November 2013 10: 59
            +6
            Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
            they just explained to Serdyukov that they’re not afraid, you’ll conditionally get a couple of years and that’s all ..........

            I already wrote in a comment to another article, but I repeat.
            In the situation with Serdyukov, his translation into suspects is from the opera - "and the wolves are fed, and the sheep are safe, and the shepherd has eternal memory ..." bully
            The article that was sewn, so ... chickens laugh, nobody will toughen it. This is the limit. Putin, like the people (us) reassured, and his cole lighthouse (do not greyhound). He will never give the go-ahead for landing a loved one (and Serdyukov was in a close circle) even if at one time. He depends on his environment. Although he has great power, he is powerless against the so-called "elite". In my opinion, Putin is now an arbiter of various power heaps crap., groups, parties, etc.
            And if you rock the boat ... the story about the "snuffbox" I think you remember ...
            1. andr327
              andr327 29 November 2013 23: 39
              0
              This is called a thief in law.
        4. Timeout
          Timeout 29 November 2013 12: 08
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          if the face team sounded from Putin?

          How can the "face" command from Putin pass, if he himself publicly says that the IC and the court decide everything, why did he keep Hodor's case under personal control and all the sentences were given at his direction? And Tolichka is a member of the family, his bottom!
          1. arnulla
            arnulla 29 November 2013 13: 25
            0
            Putin personally told you that he kept the Hodor case under personal control?
            1. Timeout
              Timeout 29 November 2013 15: 12
              +3
              Guys, you are like children trying to drive. If you are not too lazy to watch news releases on Channel 1 of those years, you can almost see the oath that Khodor will sit down and that he is guilty even before the verdict! How to explain this?
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 13: 29
            -1
            Quote: Timeout
            for some reason, he kept Khodor’s case under his personal control and all sentences were given on his instructions.

            But Putin did not print the indictment?
            1. Timeout
              Timeout 29 November 2013 15: 25
              +8
              Alexander, I understand that you support Putin, and your articles speak of this. Only everything that happens in Russia, the dominance of migrants, a stupid pension policy, the active strangulation of entrepreneurship (private), the omission of Russia in the eyes of the whole world is his merit. Just don’t say that they are afraid of us all over the world, no! I had to travel to many countries, and there the opinion that power in Russia is a sewer, many people think. Take Europe and how the children of our officials are leading you there, you will never find it in Russian-language news, for which they constantly flash in the news of foreign ones. Look online for reviews on visits to Russian diplomats on the world’s websites and you will learn a lot about what they think about our authorities abroad. Not everything is so beautiful with our guarantor, and even more so with his retinue ...
              1. Firstvanguard
                Firstvanguard 29 November 2013 17: 11
                +2
                I had to travel to many countries, and there the opinion that power in Russia is a sewage system, many think

                I could not pass by. It’s honest to tell me personally deeply about us;% :? what they think there! I was born and raised when they thought that I was playing balalaika in bast shoes under vodka with a bear in an embrace. This did not bother me at all, they think something that they hammered for decades. But those who rule and decide what to grind are afraid of Russia. Or did you communicate with the Rothschilds-Rockefellers ??
                1. Timeout
                  Timeout 30 November 2013 03: 17
                  +2
                  Quote: Firstvanguard
                  It’s honest to tell me personally deeply about us;% :? what they think there!

                  And it’s for us, only the image of Russia is not created by us now, but by the riffraff who uses money in their banks. Their authorities have long ceased to be afraid of Russia, the fact of the matter is that before they were afraid not only of a nuclear club, but of the people and our government, now our government is afraid to blather even on beating up diplomats. And these are those unfinished, whose authorities simply have to pee with boiling water at the word Russia. Drunken tourists and our nouveau riche now form an opinion of Russians.
                  1. DEfindER
                    DEfindER 30 November 2013 10: 37
                    0
                    Quote: Timeout
                    now our government is even afraid to blather for beating diplomats.

                    They treated us like savages, and we will answer them in a civilized way, for example, we will stop delivering their flowers, by the way, have you heard recently the crisis started in Holland? I think it’s no coincidence :)
              2. DEfindER
                DEfindER 30 November 2013 10: 32
                -1
                Quote: Timeout
                Only everything that happens in Russia, the dominance of migrants

                All these Migrants from the former USSR, and the main culprit is the one who ruined this country .. Now it is not so easy to solve this problem, corruption has always been and will be, they will be allowed to take bribes. In the United States, for example, the predominance of migrants is even stronger, there is no end to the Latins, and no one can solve this problem ..
                Quote: Timeout
                stupid pension policy

                Where it is stupid, people were given the opportunity to invest their part of the pension in any fund, and many pensioners now receive more than working ones ..
                Quote: Timeout
                active strangulation of entrepreneurship

                Again, when the Central Bank does not obey the state and does not have the right to finance its economy, what kind of entrepreneurship may be, our businessmen take loans abroad, thereby raising their economy ..
        5. washi
          washi 29 November 2013 14: 40
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: Sunjar
          . Someone who is very serious, Serdyukov, roofs and accordingly puts sticks in the wheels of the so-called justice.

          Who will put the sticks in the wheels if the face team sounded from Putin? And at the same time, which of the investigators will initiate UD against Serdyukov, if Putin himself is the roof laughing Not boys, it’s necessary to somehow determine wassat

          And who said that GDP is a roof?
          How many Stalin fought with the Trotskyists and Bukhara?
          So I could not defeat everyone. Instead of HIS speeches at the 19th congress, they heard Khrushchev speak at the 20th and plenum of the party.
          How many attempts on GDP have already been? How many raids on him have been in the media?
          Divorce just like that? Or the desire to save his family?
          Who voluntarily wants to take the place of GDP? I will support with both hands if he will in fact restore Russia. I’ll work on campaigning for free, and I’ll throw a couple of rubles into the support fund
          1. Firstvanguard
            Firstvanguard 29 November 2013 17: 18
            +1
            Who voluntarily wants to take the place of GDP?

            No, no, all at once just shared their opinion wassat
            The corridors of power are always a war for the power of several hmm .. "factions" are often much more than two. IS ALWAYS. In any state, at any time. Whoever does not understand this, IMHO would better keep his opinion to himself. We not only do not know the real motives of many decisions, but in general we may never know.
          2. DEfindER
            DEfindER 30 November 2013 10: 42
            0
            Quote: Vasya
            Divorce just like that? Or the desire to save his family?

            As far as I remember, Stalin even killed his wife .. It is difficult for such people to have a family when there are so many enemies ..
      3. DMB87
        DMB87 29 November 2013 07: 54
        +1
        I agree. I would like to add that since the time of Shchelokov’s suicide, not a single minister (at least at the level of the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Internal Affairs) was on trial (in my opinion), and Shchelokov was not there either, there was a deprivation of rank, awards, and expulsion from the CPSU. This is a precedent, regardless of the gravity of the sentence, unless of course the case reaches the court.
      4. Ascetic
        Ascetic 29 November 2013 08: 25
        12
        Quote: Sunjar
        Because there is a serious struggle within the government. Someone who is very serious, Serdyukov, roofs and accordingly puts sticks in the wheels of the so-called justice.


        Here is an interesting analysis of Pyakin V.V. who considers Serdyukov as a special case of the general management practices in a crowd-elite society..Pyakin, by the way, one of the founders of the BER, the associate of General Petrov participated in the creation of the Conceptual Party “Unity”. Member of the Presidium of the Central Council, Chairman of the Altai Regional Branch (until 2002). Since 2004 he has been working in the Conceptual Technology Fund (St. Petersburg) - manages the work of the FCT representative office in the Altai Territory.

        1. Sunjar
          Sunjar 29 November 2013 09: 11
          -3
          Unfortunately, I have not bothered to watch this video yet. But as far as possible, time and lack of laziness I will look.

          If I correctly guessed from which site you threw information, then you should know that "Dead Water" was recognized as extremist. And it's dangerous to advertise for BER right now.
        2. Asgard
          Asgard 29 November 2013 11: 06
          +4
          On the Yu-tube under this view there is such a text))))
          Valery is a smart guy, of course, but he distortes and deals with insinuations,
          everything could be done differently (if Tolya-Stool)) really poured water on a defense mill ...
          But how can a thief (sort of like in the little things)) in global formations - be the "builder" of the army, in which the Ships began to sail)) the troops will learn)))
          It's just not clear why Vova Putin cut the BZHRK, DESTROYED THE VOEVODU, surrendered sovereignty (by signing WTO accession) without even waiting for the documents to be translated into Russian (the formal right not to sign the law)), which Yeltsin successfully did with START ...
          KOB is crypto-Jewish bullshit that fools not-too-educated People’s heads, remember one WORD has energy, Putin said - .. who says that Russia is a provocateur for Russians .... and he said, "she drowned." ...
          this is enough to prevent Putin from being there, no matter how KOB interprets his words and puts his fabrication under the egregor of BerLazar))))
          Remember the enemies of the Russian people are both “smart” and convincing, if you make small assumptions, as a result, We (Soviet People) will die, and the education system will prepare a slave in the galleys - 15 million EGS for servicing the pipe ....

          The COB is needed only for this, although it is a dodgy enemy, before the church kept asking to wait))) 'turn your cheek'
          In all, justice is needed and without detuning ..... Remember, in order to create Evil, it is necessary that Good People DO NOT DO ANYTHING ...... still wait))))

          Do not be stupid People, do not listen about water))) and rusty ships ..... Putin didn’t build anything, Syria was protected by the Soviet military ships, by the way they’ll finish it, they’ll just take away the Chemical weapons that the Jews fear and even gave the Nobel Prize to an unknown organization for the seizure of "protective equipment" from the Syrian People, which seems to seize the khanate with the hands of the ever-resting president in Sochi for good reason))))) and always late .... Wait 50 minutes late for a meeting with the Pope (bow)) )))
          Do not believe people like PYAKIN VV, their cleverness will bring the country to death, and they will deprive your children of the future (possibly great))
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 29 November 2013 12: 59
            +4
            Quote: Asgard
            Valery is a smart guy, of course, but he distortes and deals with insinuations,


            And that’s it. Next bda, blah about poplars.
            Some emotions directed personally against Putin, although the video seems to be about Serdyukov, which Pyakin warned about.

            Next comes the discussion of BER with which, judging by his statements, the author is completely unfamiliar.

            And he summed up: do not believe Pyakin - believe me. Based on emotions? Sorry - I don't believe it.

            Putin represents the siloviki-statist, Medvedev-the liberals of the Westerners.
            This was most evident on the Libyan issue.



            What happened to Libya when President Medvedev was, having the same Soviet ships and what happened to Syria when President Putin. Who for whom is up to everyone to decide. I am for Putin.
            1. Asgard
              Asgard 29 November 2013 14: 00
              +2
              Borya in your statements there is no order for reliability ....
              Quote: Boris55
              And he summed up: do not believe Pyakin - believe me.

              I kind of didn’t write a statement))))
              I read about the COB and got acquainted with the "concept" ....
              There are a number of controversial conceptual statements without logic and evidence base)))
              The scale there is not my level))))))
              Asgard wrote - believe me))))) this is what Jews usually do)))
              Medvedev warmed a place for Putin for 4 years and when they said "bris" he did so
              "Independent figure"))))))) for uneducated People))))
              With Serdyukov, the same "parsley" - by the way, in the video Parsley the First is remembered there and compared with Serdyukov with Menshikov (also a thief))

              Well, I am for the Russian people, who drowned on the KURSK nuclear submarine, drowned in Krymsk, their industry was destroyed, that we cannot repair the Tu-160 and we cannot build Borei (article on VO)) Wait, in Kandalaksha we were collecting money for the operation child from People 1780 tr. and Serdyukov for the position of Millions))))
              And Boris is to blame for this (since you don’t see the obvious and ascribe FAITH to me)))))
              Insinuations and distortions ...

              And we must believe, not words and even deeds, we must trust MYSELF, the feeling that is born in the place of the heart ....
              Hear yourself .... when you read my posts, you write yours, People you read ...

              Such is the Concept (I propose)))
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 29 November 2013 14: 54
                -2
                Quote: Asgard
                I kind of did not write the highlighted statement))))

                Asgard, I did not answer you, but to the author of the opinion you cited.

                Putin of 4 of the year, being the prime minister, really tried not to leave Medvedev unattended. Now often see them together? Not.

                Pyakin does not claim that Serdyukov is not guilty. Rather, even on the back - guilty. But here's the odds. If you do not quite understand - watch the video again.

                ps
                The exercises carried out by Shoigu upon assuming office showed that he accepted the combat-ready army ...
                1. Pinochet000
                  Pinochet000 29 November 2013 17: 19
                  +2
                  Quote: Boris55
                  that he accepted the combat ready army ...

                  Well, the tank biathlon clearly showed, in fact, to the whole world, the level of training ... which can be projected onto all the ground forces, but I think even on the RF Armed Forces as a whole with some amendments .. Moreover, the low level of training is the most harmless of the shown crews to prepare.
                  A partial loss of control, and at the highest level, is the result of the policy of Serdyuk, primarily personnel policy ...
                  Think with your head ... given the scale of the event, the presence of the RF Ministry of Defense on the podium, broadcast on central heating, media attention, etc. will manage to deliver low-quality (expired) missiles, appoint the "best" crews who are really poorly trained, and also steal diesel fuel
                  1. Boris55
                    Boris55 29 November 2013 18: 05
                    -1
                    Quote: Pinochet000
                    Head think ...

                    I tell you about BG, and you tell me about the "reality show" ...

                    I liked the idea of ​​holding such competitions. If not mistaken - for the first time in the world.
                    And even in this show we won, and only those who knock on the keys in the internet do not have flaws.
                    The fact that they were revealed is also good - there is something to work on.
                    1. Pinochet000
                      Pinochet000 29 November 2013 18: 20
                      +1
                      Quote: Boris55
                      I tell you about BG, and you tell me about the "reality show" ..

                      Well, yes, that’s just what will happen during the period of hostilities (this was done personally), I know that if we couldn’t organize a SRA show, the fight will be organized, yeah ... We speak different languages. You are not able to understand the key points ... I'm sorry.
                      1. Boris55
                        Boris55 29 November 2013 18: 32
                        -1
                        Quote: Pinochet000
                        that's just what will be during the period of hostilities

                        Who won the war with Georgia? And this is not a reality show for you, but real fighting.
                        But who established peace in Chechnya? Uncle Sam?
                      2. Pinochet000
                        Pinochet000 29 November 2013 18: 36
                        +3
                        Quote: Boris55
                        Who won the war with Georgia?

                        Russian soldier! And contrary to that. Yes, this is not the enemy .... and Serdyukov reforms were launched after this war.
                      3. Boris55
                        Boris55 29 November 2013 18: 42
                        -1
                        Quote: Pinochet000
                        Russian soldier! And contrary to ...

                        I get it. Your knowledge in the life of society has completely satisfied me. hi
                      4. Pinochet000
                        Pinochet000 29 November 2013 18: 47
                        0

                        Dada and you do not get sick))
                  2. alone
                    alone 29 November 2013 19: 23
                    +2
                    Quote: Boris55
                    But who established peace in Chechnya?


                    Is there peace in Chechnya? and who then is fighting a huge group in the North Caucasus? All the republics of the North Caucasus now live in the unofficial regime of the CTO.

                    Quote: Boris55
                    Who won the war with Georgia?


                    Is Georgia the United States or Great Britain? Or maybe France or China?
        3. Firstvanguard
          Firstvanguard 29 November 2013 17: 54
          0
          There are a number of controversial conceptual statements without logic and evidence base)))

          Controversial statements in the studio! Tear them to smithereens with iron logic and I am with you!
          No ... well then it's verbiage.
        4. Pinochet000
          Pinochet000 29 November 2013 18: 06
          +1
          Asgard, did you watch Sergey Danilov’s lectures? I would like to know your opinion.
          Surprisingly, Sergey came to many things about which he himself spoke.
          1. Asgard
            Asgard 29 November 2013 18: 31
            +1
            I want to meet everyone ....
            Sensibly, there are some points that raise questions for me ...
            Although it is understandable, knowledge is given gradually and sometimes in portions ....
            Knowledge is a Double-edged Weapon, you yourself can get into trouble, here Seryozha also maneuvers, although some aspects (in fact) look NOT SO ....

            Well, I’ll find a way and talk))))
            1. Pinochet000
              Pinochet000 29 November 2013 18: 39
              +1
              Quote: Asgard
              Knowledge is a Double-edged Weapon, you yourself can get into trouble, here Seryozha also maneuvers, although some aspects (in fact) look NOT SO ....

              Also, I think so, it is no longer surprising))
      5. Ascetic
        Ascetic 29 November 2013 14: 37
        +5
        Quote: Boris55
        do not believe Pyakin


        Indirectly, Pyakin's scheme was confirmed by Stepashin. He said that two years ago Prior to the Oboronservis criminal case and the scandal, he advised Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov to “clean up” this military enterprise and warned of possible criminal liability.

        When asked why a criminal case was not initiated under Dmitry Medvedev, who was in charge of the country during the period of inspections, Stepashin replied that he did not bring the results of the audit to V. Putin's successor, but sent a report. “He (D. Medvedev) called back and said:“ Listen, such serious violations. ”“ Yes, ”I say,“ Dmitry Anatolyevich, ”the ex-head of the RF JV quoted the dialogue. Then D. Medvedev gave the order to deal with the military prosecutor’s office, added S. Stepashin.

        Seeing that after Vladimir Putin's return to the presidency, the situation in the defense department remained "still suspended", Stepashin said, He personally addressed the head of state.

        Read more: http://top.rbc.ru/politics/11/10/2013/881672.shtml

        You can certainly not believe Stepashin, but his version with Serdyukov fits very well into the outline of Pyatov's reasoning. About women killers is also an interesting conclusion. Maybe Nabiullina, who began to press the banks and Golikova appointed to rake the Augean stables of the Stepashinsky audit, are some kind of "shahidkas" according to Pyatov without the right to withdraw, called upon to direct the water from the pool in the right direction? what
        1. Timeout
          Timeout 29 November 2013 14: 59
          +5
          Quote: Ascetic
          Indirectly, Pyakin's scheme was confirmed by Stepashin.

          Stanislav, do not trust this rhino! I had to talk with captive spirits in 2003 and heard a lot about this comrade. Probably remember that when he was the Minister of Internal Affairs in 1998, he went to Dagestan in Karamakhi and Chabanmakhi, and so that no one would touch the spirits that were housed in these villages, the burka gave this remnant from a person. But burkas are not ordinary but full of all kinds of precious metals. The protocols of interrogations of the Specialists went to the top and simply disappeared. Incidentally, these words can be confirmed by the inhabitants of these villages. After that, no one standing at the helm of power in Russia personally has no faith for me!
      6. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 29 November 2013 18: 53
        +1
        Quote: Boris55
        I am for Putin.

        Hi Boris. It is interesting what you do: you are for Putin, and at the same time you are an adherent of the KOB, which is also for Putin and which claims that the ongoing negativity is caused by the "Jewish raid", that even Christianity in Russia is the work of the Jews.

        At the same time, it is Putin who, through his actions, does not create a frail advertisement for the Russian Orthodox Church (representing, in your paradigm, Christianity introduced by the Jews), but at the same time he is tightly, friendly, and fruitfully hobnobing with Lazar & ko.

        Boris - Do you not notice any contradictions in your position?
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 29 November 2013 20: 07
          0
          Quote: Yarosvet
          ... ROC advertising ...

          Hi Yarosvet.
          I don’t deify him. I don't like his "piety". But I also understand that there are no people without flaws. In that coordinate system it is possible differently and impossible. It all depends on how much the minuses outweigh the pluses. Putin has more pluses ... I think so and therefore for him. Life is black and white only in childhood.

          ps
          Regarding the adherent:
          BER is not a sect, it is a knowledge system that is fully accessible to everyone.
          I have already expressed my attitude to the CPE party to you.
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 29 November 2013 20: 51
            +2
            Quote: Boris55
            I do not deify him
            That's what is missing laughing

            You see, Boris is not about his "piety", and not about whether it is possible differently or not. The point is that there is an obvious contradiction in the logical system you represent.

            Putin has more advantages ... I think so and therefore for him. Life is black and white only in childhood
            I agree that life is not black and white, and this is another contradiction on your part - you pass the norm as a plus, thereby dividing life into black and white.

            BER is not a sect, this knowledge system is available in full to everyone
            Are all sects totalitarian?
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 29 November 2013 21: 44
              0
              Quote: Yarosvet
              ... you pass the norm as a plus ...

              If you accept the bad affairs for minus, the norm for zero, then fantasies are obtained - plus. Yeah ... Based on this logic, Putin is either minus or zero. This is exactly where bog hamsters are bred - on fantasies. Well, what can I do - the authorities do not have time for the fantasies of citizens.
              Do you think the other will have time?

              BER does not fit a single definition of a sect. I gave my definition of BER above.
              Compare the word concept и sect.
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 29 November 2013 23: 08
                +2
                Quote: Boris55
                Based on this logic, Putin is either minus or zero
                Zero less often smile

                This is exactly where bog hamsters breed - on fantasies
                Are the constitution and federal law fantasies, or norms?

                BER does not fit a single definition of a sect
                BER mixes religion into its own philosophizing system, and this is already a sect.

                Compare the word concept и sect.
                Concept (from Latin < > - understanding, system) a certain way of understanding, interpretation.

                Sects can arise in the mainstream of any religion (just the teachings and dogmas of the sect are understood differently), or they can be based on several religions or belief systems.
                The difference between a sect and a philosophical movement is that a sect (like religion) recognizes the existence of a god (or pantheon of gods), but does not recognize a philosophical movement (or religious elements are not the foundation for it - this state of affairs is characteristic of ancient philosophy when gods do not denied, but faded into the background).
                The difference between religion and sect in the scale of activity, and in the visible destructive effect (in religions it is less noticeable)
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 30 November 2013 11: 00
                  -1
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  Are the constitution and federal law fantasies, or norms?

                  The constitution, legislation is the legislative branch. It is lower than ideological, and the media, as conductors of ideology, do not belong to us. Laws are carried out by people. They think as the media "explained" to them.

                  About God. This is what is meant by this word.
                  For me, this is all around, nature. I hope you do not deny the presence of it?
                2. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 30 November 2013 12: 39
                  +1
                  Quote: Boris55
                  Constitution, legislation is the legislative branch
                  ???!
                  In general, the State Duma and the Council of the Federation belong to the legislative branch of the government, and the Constitution and legislation are directly applicable laws, or, to put it legal standards.

                  It is lower than ideological, and the media, as the vehicles of ideology, do not belong to us.
                  There is no ideological power (there is the power of one or another ideology under which, subject to access to information telling about opposing views, a person lays down voluntarily), and the media only broadcasts what society is ready to buy, provided that the broadcast is not prohibited by law .

                  Laws are carried out by people. They think as they were "explained" by the media
                  Boris, can you really judge by yourself, did the media "explained" something to you?
                  The media only provide information (for example, both Zaputin and anti-Putin), but only the person himself due to his education, knowledge, experience, ability to think, observation of surrounding reality, etc. makes any conclusions from the information received.

                  About God. This is what is meant by this word.
                  For me, this is all around, nature. I hope you do not deny the presence of it?
                  Of course, I do not deny the presence of nature, but in this case you are trying to replace the concepts: by God you cannot understand anything other than God (something supernatural, rational), and nature is precisely nature.
    2. alone
      alone 29 November 2013 19: 19
      +2
      Quote: Boris55
      what's wrong with Syria when President Putin. Who for whom is up to everyone to decide. I am for Putin.


      Well, I can’t say anything about Putin. How can a citizen of another state tell me who you need and why. I’m completely far from this. What happened to Syria? The war is over? -No. People kill each other? -Yes .country Turns into ruins? -Yes! destroyed all the militants? -not like. we don’t have more and more. so nothing has changed in Syria. because the Americans decided not to hit Syria, yes it’s a fact. and the price of refusal is refusal from chemical weapons and their complete destruction.
      everyone thinks that Russia won, America lost. No, that’s not so.
      SYRIA lost, and won, as always -Israel. Now nothing in the region threatens Israel. Nothing
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 29 November 2013 20: 33
        -1
        Quote: lonely
        . that the Americans changed their minds to hit Syria

        Who caused chaos there, who is turning cities into ruins, who is supplying the bandits? Not we. Who took away the legitimacy of the strike on Syria from the Ame'rs - Putin. We are on the side of the legally elected government. Do you think if Putin had not intervened it would have been better - look at Libya, it has not become better there.

        Israel won ... well, if he likes to live in a circle of enemies, then yes.
        They like BDSM - for God's sake, let them relax and enjoy.
        1. alone
          alone 29 November 2013 21: 58
          +2
          Quote: Boris55
          Israel won ... well, if he likes to live in a circle of enemies, then yes.
          They like BDSM - for God's sake, let them relax and enjoy.


          In a circle of weakened enemies. And no one there is engaged in BDSM. There is no one to stand on ceremony with terrorists.

          Quote: Boris55
          who supplies the bandits? Not we


          Yes, not Russia is supplying the bandits. Russia is helping Assad. And Assad's military are abandoning warehouses and running away, leaving everything for the bandits. Maybe you saw the militants on the Abrams or Leclercs? The militants ride T-72 and T-55 tanks. some T-72s have a green color, which is not typical for the Syrian Armed Forces. from the new parties. so let's not. with Syria, not everything is clear. By the way, the Russian authorities are negotiating with Cyprus so that the Navy ships can refuel in Limassol. After all, there is a PMTO of the Navy in Tartus. Why have a second PMTO in the same area?
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 29 November 2013 22: 29
            0
            Quote: lonely
            no one with ceremony terrorists

            I wonder how weakened terrorists differ from weakened ones? winked

            By and large, Russia does not care who will be in power in Syria - the main thing, no matter how in Libya. The main thing is that there would be stability in the region. So far, people trust Assad, refugees are not fleeing to militants, but from militants to protect government troops.

            Does the gun fall into the hands of bandits? Yes, war.

            As for the negotiations, I have not heard.
            1. alone
              alone 29 November 2013 23: 13
              0
              Quote: Boris55
              . So far, the people trust Assad, the refugees are not fleeing the militants, but from the militants under the protection of government troops.


              refugees are mainly trying to leave Syria. Their number has long exceeded 2 million. These are those who are outside the territory. This is almost every tenth Syrian.
              it turns out that the authorities and the people, having a 300 thousandth army, full support and trust of the population, managed to lose 50% of the territory by fighting with some 20 thousand jihadists who are not Syrians. less believe what both of them say. there is such a thing, logic is called.
              I do not care who will be in power. I do not care about Assad and the militants. I am interested in the truth. The power of Assad and the opposition's struggle against him is not worth the tear of an innocent child who suffers in this war.
  2. arnulla
    arnulla 29 November 2013 13: 34
    0
    Was the treaty on the liquidation of the BZHRK signed under Putin? And who produced the missiles for him and where, educate? How was the Voevoda destroyed if it is still in service? Storage periods are coming to an end, but a new product is being developed. on this resource, these topics have been rubbed and rubbed more than once. So do not be stupid.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 29 November 2013 14: 25
      +5
      Quote: arnulla
      How was the Voevoda destroyed if it is still in service? Storage periods are coming to an end, but the development of a new product is already underway.


      By the way, recently with the Yasnaya LV "Dnepr" (This is actually "Voevoda" Within the framework of the "Dnepr" program, ballistic missiles are being dismantled with an accompanying launch of the payload into space.) Some 20 different foreign spacecraft and containers with nanosatellites have been withdrawn. The National Space Agency of Ukraine (the Ukrainian design bureau Yuzhnoye participates in the transformation of military rockets into space launch vehicles) to manage the project created the international space company Kosmotras. Since 1999, 18 launches of Dnepr carrier rockets have been carried out, with the help of which 63 spacecraft from 15 countries have been launched into orbit.
      And Voivode R-36M UTTH and R-36M2 are on duty in Uzhur and Dombarovsky.
    2. Asgard
      Asgard 29 November 2013 14: 33
      +4
      The Kartals said goodbye to Satan: The atmosphere on the rise of the last of the six missiles to be dismantled was far from optimistic. It was hard to believe that such a powerful and perfect weapon would go to scrap forever. Yes, the missiles of the Kartalin division stood on alert for 25 years, but coming out of their 40-meter mines, they do not at all look like museum junk.

      By the way, there are several ways to eliminate missiles. One of them is undermining, disabling (after partial dismantling) launchers. The second method, which is used under the Kartals, is complete dismantling followed by destruction. The third is the launch of a rocket without a warhead. The Americans were interested in checking how these missiles fly. Are they "rusted" and are they accurate? Therefore, the inspectors from the USA paid the most attention to the start. When the missile regiments in Yasnoye were being cut, the Americans made a real pilgrimage to the Orenburg region, their curiosity knew no bounds. The Russians were also interested in the result of the launch: as a visual proof of the correctness of their calculations. The very first days of "shooting" the missiles plunged the Americans into a tremendous shock: all the missiles completed their mission, not a single one left the course. One hundred percent hit! And this is the main indicator of the strength and quality of the rocket. “Satan” “fell” into the peg that was hammered for him. The Americans agreed: there are no analogues of the RS-18 in terms of accuracy.
      By the way, "Poplar and Yars" is far from "VOEVODA"

      http://www.freeforum.su/index.php?showtopic=38940
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 29 November 2013 16: 51
        +5
        Quote: Asgard
        The Americans agreed: there are no analogues of the RS-18 in terms of accuracy.


        The KVO of the RS-20 4 complex missile of the modification was approximately 200 m. She has a type of goals fortified goalssuch as mines of ballistic missiles, air bases, command centers; The same KVO-200m and the Topol-M YaRS already better about 150m. The voivode is a first strike missile. It serves to break through missile defense and destroy protected targets, while PGRK will mainly deal with densely populated areas (areas) and objects of industry and infrastructure. Each type of missile defense has its own tasks and features of combat use, so it is incorrect to compare them by characteristics in isolation from the destination. Trident 2, which has the same goals as the Voivode (mines and sheltered objects), will have a KVO better than about 150m. On Topoli, every six months they entered the BB program for the BB undermining height - season sign, to increase the damaging factors depending on the time of year (low-altitude or ground-based explosion) so that more people die and there is more destruction. As far as I know, Americans don’t have such a chip. Therefore, Poplars are naturally not aimed at mines. This is our Retribution Sword .
        In general, any warhead can fall into the stick, only the probability of this hit is precisely estimated by such a concept as the probable median deviation during the calculation of which the indicator is used probable circular deflection
        The CVO is expressed by the radius of the circle outlined around the target, into which 50% of the combat units are supposed to fall.
        Americans also call the probable circular error. It looks something like this. If you take a pistol target, let's say out of 10 hits, outline the five closest and draw a circle, here the radius of this circle will be the CWO.
        1. Onyx
          Onyx 30 November 2013 21: 04
          0
          Quote: Ascetic
          Therefore, Poplars are naturally not aimed at mines. Here we have the Sword of Retribution.

          I don’t know about Topoliy’s account, but the Topoliy-M group, according to Yu. Solomonov, also faces the challenge due to the presence of a powerful all-in-one warhead defeat of highly protected targets. Therefore, the Topol-M complex continued to enter the troops until the end of 2012, despite the adoption of the multi-unit Yars
  • Vadivak
    Vadivak 29 November 2013 09: 01
    11
    Quote: ...
    the apartment "she has long been" that the grandmother was collecting furniture,


    So that's where the ears stick out. It seems that in a dashing year, the grandmaster had access to food, bread was changed for diamonds and furniture,
    1. rolik
      rolik 29 November 2013 11: 09
      +8
      Quote: Vadivak
      So that's where the ears stick out. It seems that in a dashing year, the grandmaster had access to food, bread was changed for diamonds and furniture,

      I also really want to notice the rare thrift of the old woman, and later her assistant)))) Looking at the chair on which Madame Vasilyev sits, I don’t really believe that this throne is deep from antiquity)))) Look at the upholstery, brand new, shines straight, nails not oxidized for many years. It seems that this furniture set was personally adjusted by maestro Serdyukov, who is a great dock in furniture matters. And to the apartment, granny, probably, left a gift too))))) 0 written with a firm, male hand))))
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 29 November 2013 14: 04
      12
      Quote: Vadivak
      So that's where the ears stick out. It seems that in a dashing year, the grandmaster had access to food, bread was changed for diamonds and furniture,


      My grandmother's sister was the head of the NKVD of the rural area in the Novgorod region in a hard time. Grandmother talked about her, Maruska, how at 17 she wore leather like that on a horse since then she chased bandits with a pistol ... Then she was transferred to the rank of major in Leningrad, I don't know where, but she remembered 1937 well ... In the 80s I being still young and under the impression of glasnost and Ogonyok Korotich somehow fought with her about repressions. So she told that in fact they arrested the bosses and party nomenklatura for bananal theft. The same jewelry and furniture acquired by back-breaking labor as Vasilyeva's, and articles they were political because the ideology did not allow undermining the people's faith in the moral character of the communist. A traitor and an enemy under the guise of a party member was understandable, this is an ideological and hidden enemy, an agent of world capitalism, and a banal thief with a party card, and even in a high position, completely undermined the people's faith in the leader's personnel policy. Therefore, at night, searches with confiscation were carried out so that the people would not saw how expensive furniture and paintings were taken out by cars. And she herself lived all her life in a communal apartment and never made any gold and diamonds and until the last was the eldest of the house. Her grandmother called her Commander. And her husband had a priest's son, went through the whole war in the marines, lost his leg when he drank and it was constantly all about melee with the Germans told me. so the bosses always stole, even Stalin did not clean up everyone. Now the descendants of these "victims of repression" under Gorbachev have again seized power.
      1. washi
        washi 29 November 2013 14: 54
        -1
        Quote: Ascetic
        Quote: Vadivak
        So that's where the ears stick out. It seems that in a dashing year, the grandmaster had access to food, bread was changed for diamonds and furniture,

        And her husband was a priest's son, went through the entire war in the marines, lost his leg when he drank and that was constantly telling me all about hand-to-hand combat with the Germans. so the bosses always stole, even Stalin did not clean up everyone. Now the descendants of these "victims of repression" under Gorbachev have again seized power.

        You tell this Novodvorskaya
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 29 November 2013 16: 25
          +5
          Quote: Vasya
          You tell this Novodvorskaya


          I am not a psychiatrist to treat the clinical phobias of urban lunatics and Russophobia. Moreover, at one time they already tried to cure her in a mental hospital.
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 29 November 2013 09: 13
    +5
    Quote: Sunjar
    Serdyukov someone is a very serious roof

    Somebody? It is clear who, otherwise he would have been sitting for a long time. Now they are trying to resolve the situation so that both the wolves (the Prosecutor's Office and the public) are full, and the whole sheep (Serdyukov).
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 09: 34
      +2
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Somebody? It is clear who, otherwise he would have been sitting for a long time.

      Who exactly?
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 29 November 2013 09: 48
        15
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Who exactly?

        Yes, you yourself know. And let me again be branded the prosralist of all Russia, but I believe that when crimes of people of this rank are considered, the head of state should PERSONALLY monitor the progress of the investigation. This is at least. hi
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 13: 33
          +1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Yes, you yourself know.

          If you mean Putin, then the question is, would there be any UD in relation to Serdyukov?
        2. Volodin
          29 November 2013 14: 02
          +5
          Ingvar 72, unfortunately, I do not know what your name is, but personally from me: Bravo!
        3. washi
          washi 29 November 2013 14: 57
          +2
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Who exactly?

          Yes, you yourself know. And let me again be branded the prosralist of all Russia, but I believe that when crimes of people of this rank are considered, the head of state should PERSONALLY monitor the progress of the investigation. This is at least. hi

          And according to the KKKKonstitutsii, we have an independent court and there is no ideology, but the fact that we have a social state, i.e. caring for the people, they forgot about it, outside the Moscow principality
      2. stroporez
        stroporez 29 November 2013 11: 54
        +1
        better ---- if both ..........
  • stroporez
    stroporez 29 November 2013 11: 47
    +3
    Quote: Sunjar
    Serdyukov, someone very serious roofs and accordingly puts sticks in the wheels of the so-called justice
    ------- boo-ha-ha !!!!!!!! and who is this mysterious "someone" ???????? wassat
  • INVESTOR
    INVESTOR 29 November 2013 12: 16
    +5
    I guess the first time who roofs him ...
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 29 November 2013 13: 18
    +3
    Quote: Sunjar
    Serdyukov someone very serious roofs
    Father-in-law Zubkov. He also rules the cooperative "Lake". But this is not provable, because. the jaw can't eat its own ass.
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 30 November 2013 01: 48
    +1
    Quote: Sunjar
    Because there is a serious struggle within the government. Someone very serious Serdyukov roofs and accordingly puts sticks in the wheels of the so-called justice ...


    As a result, the US State Department protects him. Budgets should be matched by figures, a figure of a state scale will be supported by an object no less than the state. So get it.
  • brelok
    brelok 30 November 2013 06: 34
    0
    Quote: Sunjar
    Someone who is very serious, Serdyukov, roofs and accordingly puts sticks in the wheels of the so-called justice.

    WHAT DIDN'T A Surname be called !? GDP DOES NOT LOSE OURS! winked
  • m.asfa
    m.asfa 30 November 2013 21: 07
    -1
    The president is roofing.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 07: 19
    +5
    Quote: Canep
    But why wait a whole year?

    Our people have two troubles - the First people spit on the investigation, because the people delivered the verdict is guilty immediately. And after reading what I wrote, the people will stand on end, like ... but what if he is not guilty am This is acceptable and predictable, because there is a second trouble laughing The second misfortune is that people don’t give a damn about the law because decisions about who to execute and whom to pardon should be made by Putin and no one else is in the understanding of the people. If Serdyukov is planted, then all the laurels and screams will go to Putin, not to the prosecutors, to the scammers or the judge. If they don’t sit down, then all the mats will go to Putin again, and not to the prosecutor, the scammers or the judge.
    We have a goat planted here, the dude hut made-Putin well done laughing
    1. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb 29 November 2013 07: 27
      +2
      Dear Alexander! I’m afraid all-trainees will not understand you. They deny the existence of the judiciary as such. The fact that everything should be in accordance with the law is beyond their knowledge. They want it all. The rest does not interest them.
      On one point, I agree with them: A thief should be in prison!
      But. Only by decision of the COURT.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 07: 35
        +3
        Quote: JIaIIoTb
        But. Only by decision of the COURT.

        Sorry, but there is a people's court on the site and what the prosecutors, the SK, the FSB think, what evidence is there and all that, spit people out. The people have long passed a sentence, their own sentence. Only one does not understand when they steal in billions, they steal so that you break your brain until you unravel the whole tangle, and this time, and our people are not patient. Cut off the head and the whole business laughing
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 29 November 2013 08: 36
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Cut off the head and the whole business

          Sasha, welcome! So their heads are like that of a hydra, or like Russian folk tales of dragons, you chop one - two grow .. am
          1. Stiletto
            Stiletto 29 November 2013 09: 13
            +6
            Quote: Tersky
            Sasha, welcome! So their heads are like that of a hydra, or like Russian folk tales of dragons, you chop one - two grow ..


            Well yes. You chopped like in China - just that, right to the wall, regardless of positions and connections, another would have thought about whether the game is worth the candle. And not only for corruption, but also for drugs. Our thieves have second heads that just grow out of the impunity of the first. And the appetite comes with eating.
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 09: 36
            0
            Quote: Tersky
            So their heads are like that of a hydra,

            Hello Vit! Yes, I do not mind, but there are still free places in the cells wink
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 29 November 2013 09: 51
              +6
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Yes, I do not mind, but there are still free places in the cells
              In 13 indoor cameras, the pre-educational effect is zero.
        2. S-200
          S-200 29 November 2013 08: 50
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          they steal so that you break your brain until you unravel the whole ball, and this time, and our people are not patient. Cut off the head and all business

          hi it would be nice, in the beginning ... on the rack and torture!
          Then, the electorate in enthusiastic convulsions at the telly will be forgotten ... wassat
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 09: 38
            -6
            Quote: S-200
            Then, the electorate in enthusiastic convulsions at the telly will be forgotten ..

            Our people will be convulsed in Kaif when their blood begins to splatter from the TV screens. Even vegetarians will start to moan in zkstaz laughing
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 29 November 2013 09: 53
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              .Even vegetarians begin to moan in zkstaz

              What a bloodthirsty you are today. Was yesterday's steak poorly cooked? laughing
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 10: 28
                +1
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                What a bloodthirsty you are today

                Yes, it's all those, some, saws, a morgue, surgeons, cut off limbs. I’m turning into a maniac laughing
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 29 November 2013 11: 02
                  +1
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  I’m turning into a maniac myself

                  To catch a maniac, you need another maniac. laughing
        3. washi
          washi 29 November 2013 15: 07
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: JIaIIoTb
          But. Only by decision of the COURT.

          Sorry, but there is a people's court on the site and what the prosecutors, the SK, the FSB think, what evidence is there and all that, spit people out. The people have long passed a sentence, their own sentence. Only one does not understand when they steal in billions, they steal so that you break your brain until you unravel the whole tangle, and this time, and our people are not patient. Cut off the head and the whole business laughing

          How much have you deigned to appropriate?
          Igor Anatolevich Romanov - Advisor to the Director of RISI, Doctor of Sociology. Born in 1971 in Blagoveshchensk, Amur Region, he graduated from the History Department of the Ural State Pedagogical Institute, Russian Academy of Civil Administration under the President of the Russian Federation, and the Academy of Management of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia. Prior to joining RISI, he is the head of the department for internal politics of the apparatus of the plenipotentiary of the President of the Russian Federation in the Far Eastern Federal District. The author of a number of monographs and articles, including the book “Strategy of the Eastern Territories”. He led the North Caucasus RISI Center.
          And as with such a smart department head:
          Many Far Easterners, as well as residents of the south of Russia, have already lost the opportunity for self-development, for self-organization. The argument “the state has abandoned us” became the main excuse for very widespread occupations - speculation and theft of natural resources. By the way, this activity is more often called “business”. It is incredibly painful to look at this degradation of ours, even in the Caucasus, even in the Far East.
      2. bairat
        bairat 29 November 2013 08: 32
        18
        it is unclear to all propaelers why a person caught on a large theft roams free with an article on negligence, despite the fact that we are given up to two years for petty theft.
      3. Tatanka Yotanka
        Tatanka Yotanka 29 November 2013 09: 13
        +8
        Quote: JIaIIoTb
        They deny the existence of the judiciary as such. The fact that everything should be in accordance with the law is beyond their knowledge.

        they also don’t understand why the judiciary is selective and not independent, it’s like Khabarov’s case - by unidentified people at an unspecified time, by unidentified weapons, they wanted to overthrow the government — Khabarov organized all this, get the deadline
      4. Valkyrie
        Valkyrie 29 November 2013 10: 15
        +4
        By law, all thieves must be punished. And if some are punished, while others are not, this actually means the absence of a normal judicial system. And there will never be an adequate court decision. If the tops want the thief to sit or not even a thief, but the one whom they call a thief, then the tone will sit, and if not necessary, he will not sit. Is this your judicial system? This is not a judicial system, but a shop of merchants.
    2. Sunjar
      Sunjar 29 November 2013 09: 21
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      If Serdyukov is planted, then all laurels and screams will go to Putin, not to prosecutors, scouts or a judge. If they don't, then all the mats will go to Putin, not to the prosecutor, scouts or a judge.


      I don’t want to seem annoying to you, but again I disagree with you. Our court is independent. Elected and removed not by presidential decree, but by a panel of judges. That is, they have mutual responsibility there. And when selfish interests are at the head of the way of life, then there can be no talk of any fair trial. Therefore, they often make absurd decisions. But control and close attention from above makes us calm down and act within the framework of the existing law. And if there is a possibility, referring to these laws, to pass an acquittal to some bastard, then the judge (if he is a bastard himself, and he was asked to give the "correct" verdict by the "correct" people), then he will pass just such a verdict, while remaining with from a legal point of view, competent, but he naturally does not give a damn about morality, and a judge should not be guided by morality. And it is better to ride a Cayenne than to be in the hospital with broken legs.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 09: 40
        +1
        Quote: Sunjar
        Our court is independent. It is elected and removed not by presidential decree, but by a panel of judges. That is, they have mutual responsibility there.

        And it's also to blame - guess who wink
    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 29 November 2013 09: 43
      11
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      The second trouble, people do not care about the law because
      Hi Sasha. hi
      The authorities do not care about him either. Remember how much Kvachkova mumbled. And the charges were very ridiculous, and the jury acquitted him. Arrested immediately in the courtroom. But with Serdyukov and Vasilyeva, with more serious accusations, for some reason they feel awkward. Where does such selectivity come from? Who else but the authorities did not give a damn about the law?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 10: 33
        0
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        The authorities do not care about him either. Remember how much Kvachkova mumbled. And the accusations were absolutely ridiculous, and the jury

        well, who should be called power, if Putin is again, imagine yourself in his place. Guilty or not, you ask him (Kvachkov) for a case (20) volumes, pull out 20 witnesses, slaughter all other things and start to study the case. get it. And think about it. is it possible in principle, I think not. And it’s a completely different matter if he reads the comments that are angry and orders them to be released on their (comments) basis. Play, is that how it will be right and in accordance with the law?
        Hi hi
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 29 November 2013 11: 12
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          , you score on all other things and start to study the case. Otherwise, it will not work

          It will turn out, Sanya. There is such a thing as delegation of authority. Those. you need to surround yourself with associates, people you can trust, and not m. freaks from the fifth column. But I think He is not, and associates around him, only their goals are slightly different from those they talk about out loud.
        2. shuhartred
          shuhartred 29 November 2013 11: 40
          +1
          Then let it be as it is and there is nothing to break the spears here. As in chemistry, only those processes that can take place, and in politics. request
    4. svp67
      svp67 29 November 2013 11: 17
      +2
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Our people have two troubles

      Correctly "Fools and Roads", which fully corresponds to the case of "negligence", if now it is possible to prove this case "about the road", then Serdyukov will be "fools".
      The trouble is that VVP, by its previous actions, namely in the issue with Khodorkovsky, proved and showed how and who decides in our country. So ... here I am for the Americans, they still have more independent judges, although, of course, we also have many honest and principled judges, which I can testify personally, so I had and have pleasure, though doubtful, to observe them work in the "process" ..., but here come across the same, one - two "corrupt" and that's it ... everyone has an image.
    5. arnulla
      arnulla 29 November 2013 14: 56
      +1
      But the trick is that those are the same advocate for strict observance of the law ...)))
    6. washi
      washi 29 November 2013 15: 03
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Quote: Canep
      But why wait a whole year?

      Our people have two troubles - the First people spit on the investigation, because the people delivered the verdict is guilty immediately. And after reading what I wrote, the people will stand on end, like ... but what if he is not guilty am This is acceptable and predictable, because there is a second trouble laughing The second misfortune is that people don’t give a damn about the law because decisions about who to execute and whom to pardon should be made by Putin and no one else is in the understanding of the people. If Serdyukov is planted, then all the laurels and screams will go to Putin, not to the prosecutors, to the scammers or the judge. If they don’t sit down, then all the mats will go to Putin again, and not to the prosecutor, the scammers or the judge.
      We have a goat planted here, the dude hut made-Putin well done laughing

      And GDP promotes the implementation of the law. And they treat him like a king. Those. may personally punish and pardon.
      There are laws and a constitution. EVERYTHING WILL BE UNDER THE EXISTING LAW OF TIMES ebn.
      THE DUMA LAW WILL NOT CHANGE, THEY ARE AFRAID OF MYSELF
  • LaGlobal
    LaGlobal 29 November 2013 09: 19
    0
    His mug in the photo, says a lot about him! Guys, there’s no limit to my indignation!
  • PDM80
    PDM80 29 November 2013 09: 46
    +1
    With a criminal record in public office with access to classified information ?! It is unlikely. Chubais will leave
  • stayer
    stayer 29 November 2013 10: 07
    +3
    In the current status, the term is already ridiculous. Fine up to 100.000 rubles. Or community service (I don’t remember how many hours). Or arrest up to 3 months.

    Laughter and more.
  • Combitor
    Combitor 29 November 2013 10: 59
    +4
    , Finally! But why wait a whole year?
    But why:
    "Interfax, citing its own source, reports that Anatoly Serdyukov will not go to jail under the" Negligence "article. He will also avoid other types of punishment, since the statute of limitations for this article has expired.
    - The statute of limitations for a crime under the article "Negligence" is minimal, - says the source of Interfax. - So, according to official data, the road to Zhitnoye was built in the fall of 2011, which means that the statute of limitations will be calculated from that moment.
    Thus, while the essence and the matter are, the statute of limitations for the episode of Serdyukov will expire and he will be able to avoid criminal punishment.>
    If this is really so, then the authorities have achieved what they wanted. Soon, Serdyukov can safely pack their bags and depart on the Cote d'Azur. And there, Vasilyeva will drive up. Finita la comedy!
  • Eugeniy_369
    Eugeniy_369 29 November 2013 11: 33
    +6
    Quote: Canep
    And if the case comes to court, the term will be ridiculous and conditional. And Serdyukov will continue to work in the sweat of his brow at Rostekhnologii.

    It turned out even easier laughing .
    “Negligence is a minor offense, the statute of limitations for it is two years after the commission of the act. The road to the recreation center "Zhitnoye" was built, according to preliminary data, by the autumn of 2011, the statute of limitations is calculated from that moment, "a source of Interfax said.
    And here we have a dispute wassat .
    A storm in a glass of water was raised ...
    As they considered for byd.o and slaves, and so they think.
    PS I just happened to stumble upon a quote here - "de Custine:" About all Russians, no matter what position they occupy, we can say that they revel in their slavery. " Busurman is lying, but after such news ..... doubts swarm ...
  • Very old
    Very old 29 November 2013 12: 08
    +4
    I assure YOU, Minesweeper-Sergey, Serduchka-Khalatnik-Taburetkin and so on and so forth will not bear any punishment. They only introduced "negligence", and the article on this offense does not provide for deprivation ... They laughed at us once again. And "EXCITATION" is just a gag. This is already for us
  • AlNick
    AlNick 29 November 2013 12: 44
    +4
    Two reasons why the criminal case against ex-Minister of Defense Serdyukov, initiated under the article "Negligence", is unlikely to reach the court:

    Firstly, the accused under Part 1 of Article 293 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation will almost certainly fall into a sub-amnesty, which will be adopted in December this year on the occasion of the 20th anniversary of the Constitution.

    Secondly, the defense may require the termination of the case due to the expiration of the two-year statute of limitations set aside by the law for the criminal prosecution of a person who has committed a minor crime (Article 78 of the Criminal Code).

    http://top.rbc.ru/society/29/11/2013/891766.shtml
  • svp67
    svp67 29 November 2013 13: 35
    0
    Quote: Canep
    Finally!

    Taburetkin became - Negligent laughing
  • 755962
    755962 29 November 2013 14: 41
    0
    "In fact, our investigators are very talented people, there are 360 ​​articles in the Criminal Code, they can initiate anything."- the lawyer of the ex-minister Konstantin Rivkin told the agency on Friday.


    http://www.newsru.com/russia/29nov2013/serdmarkin.html


    No comment .....
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 30 November 2013 01: 47
    0
    Quote: Canep
    Finally! But why wait a whole year? But I suppose this criminal case was concocted only to silence public outrage. And if the case comes to court, the term will be ridiculous and conditional. And Serdyukov will continue to work in the sweat of his brow at Rostekhnologii.


    eat if if ...

    Even if it comes to court, it will get off with a fine ... 5-6 thousand rubles and that’s all ... the main thing is to get it and get a criminal record.
  • Same lech
    Same lech 29 November 2013 06: 46
    +8
    Tolik and Eugenia became martyrs in Russia and hehe hell and a symbol of the fight against corruption - for all their lives they will now have the stigma of thieves on their foreheads.

    Any appearance of these people in public immediately causes a bunch of emotions and desires to do something with them.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 29 November 2013 08: 38
      +6
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Any appearance of these people in public immediately causes a bunch of emotions and desires to do something with them.

      Here, here ... only our desires everywhere do not coincide with our capabilities, because they simply do not exist due to the fact that they, (opportunities), have long passed to the "wash-outs" of society along with the stolen money for which these opportunities are acquired by the latter. wink !
  • cobalt
    cobalt 29 November 2013 06: 57
    14
    Eh, 50 years ago, for such "misunderstandings" quietly put up to the wall with the confiscation of property. And as for article 293, part 1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, while the court and the case, the statute of limitations will expire and our Anatoly will become - Anatoly Unpunished.
    1. Antiaircrafter
      Antiaircrafter 29 November 2013 09: 43
      +4
      Even 50 and 60 years ago, they didn’t just put it against the wall. The sentence was imposed in compliance with social law.
  • Neighbor
    Neighbor 29 November 2013 06: 57
    +7
    If a "military" person (Serdyukov) does an outrage, his lop-eared boss should also be responsible. Something like this.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 29 November 2013 06: 59
      +4
      Well THIS chief is such a roof ogogoooo ....
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 07: 21
        -6
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Well THIS chief is such a roof ogogoooo ....

        If he had a huge roof, he would still be the Minister of Defense, and there would be no criminal case. Or what, rank-and-file investigators spit on his GOOD roof and bring a case. Where is the logic?
        1. Kibalchish
          Kibalchish 29 November 2013 07: 53
          +9
          The case was brought against him because his wife Yulia Zubkova, the daughter of the former prime minister, the current chairman of the board of directors of Gazprom. He left her. Then the case was started. Serdyuk cut the chip and returned to his wife and the case immediately became "negligence". And then they will generally cover up for lack of evidence. We swam, we know.

          Not surprisingly, many dream of leaving such a country.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 07: 59
            0
            Quote: Kibalchish
            The case was brought against him because his wife, Julia Zubkova,

            Ah, let's say wink
            Quote: Kibalchish
            . He left her. Then the case and started.

            Against Vasilyeva, Serdyukov everywhere channel, as a witness!
            Quote: Kibalchish
            ... Serdyuk cleared the chip and returned to his wife and the case immediately became "negligence

            So the matter was started after his return to his wife, and so did not agree with you. Or, you know, write so-Serdyukov refused to fulfill his conjugal duty and therefore have now opened the case. Well, somehow you need to help the logic of niti.
            Quote: Kibalchish
            Not surprisingly, many dream of leaving such a country.

            Well VALI !!!
            1. Kibalchish
              Kibalchish 29 November 2013 09: 45
              +3
              I want a dump, it's not your dog thing.
              For the rest, you wrote such nonsense that you are too lazy to comment. I feel a little more, and you will begin to write that Serdyuk is a holy man and he was slandered. Let's get him to the presidency then, what a hell!
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 10: 36
                -2
                Quote: Kibalchish
                I want a dump, it's not your dog thing.

                Get on the road!
                Quote: Kibalchish
                For the rest, you wrote such nonsense that it’s even too lazy to comment

                Yes, really, so refute at least something.
                Quote: Kibalchish
                . I feel a little more, and you will begin to write that Serdyuk is a holy man and he was slandered.

                Which one, he simply doesn’t tolerate, if he was caught in a lie laughing
          2. APES
            APES 29 November 2013 10: 43
            +1
            Quote: Kibalchish
            He left her

            he had left her long before, and few people bothered.
          3. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 29 November 2013 19: 33
            +2
            Quote: Kibalchish
            The case was brought against him because his wife Yulia Zubkova, daughter of the former prime minister, current chairman of the board of directors of Gazprom. He left her. Then the case was opened

            Not without this, but this is not the main thing: initially it was not Stouretkin who started digging, but Oboronservis (they either did not share, or grabbed without permission, or something else).

            And they probably would have untwisted the guys, if it had not been found out that the ends lead to Baba Zhenya, who is also a Tolya baba - then there was a disagreement, because planting one means planting another, and letting your friends go in there is not enough to tell.
        2. S-200
          S-200 29 November 2013 09: 00
          +9
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          If he had a huge roof, he would still be the Minister of Defense, and there would be no criminal case. Or what, rank-and-file investigators spit on his GOOD roof and bring a case. Where is the logic?

          Yes, the logic here is quite simple ... The entire power and judicial-executive system is centrally subordinated to the first (a little earlier, the "second"))) person of the state. It was given to the Central Administration to conduct an indicative flogging with a predictable verdict, so government officials "work out the number" for the amusement of the respectable public (electorate).
          We do not elect judges, governors do not appoint prosecutors ... Where will the RULE of the law come from? .... only - ON TOP ... "roof ticket" wassat
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 09: 42
            -1
            Quote: S-200
            ..Where will the RULE of the law come from? .... only - ON TOP ... "roof tick

            Then why make roof trash out of the hut? The electorate is not happy and angry. There is no logic
            1. APES
              APES 29 November 2013 10: 47
              -1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              No logic


              I see only one explanation - a clan struggle is going on in power - while they are about to use civilized methods, and then they will start to poison, if they have not already begun.

              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Then why take the roof out of the hut


              I think they are not interested in the "hut", but when there is a fight in the "hut" and "pieces of furniture" have already entered the "hut" - it is almost impossible not to break the window and attract other people's attention ...
  • makarov
    makarov 29 November 2013 07: 06
    +7
    Thieves in power, the darkness is not measured, they gave only one to the slaughter, and even that probably for the fact that he rats and did not share. In order to whitewash oneself, there must always be a RELEASE in reserve. Now it turned out to be Serdyukov. And how many of these KOZLOV are wandering around the Russian Federation eating money "green" (?), I think the reader is notified. It is enough just to look around - and here they are all around us all the time.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 07: 23
      +1
      Quote: makarov
      Now it turned out to be Serdyukov.

      Come on, so he's like he's not guilty at all? Maybe then we will release Vasilva, too, the woman is "suffering" in prison.
      1. makarov
        makarov 29 November 2013 09: 08
        +4
        Uv. Alexander. I am talking about the fact that the authorities prepare the scapegoats in advance, and, if necessary, let them into the expense with the words "truth triumphed", as if they did not know earlier that it was a thief's goat even before the appointment
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 09: 43
          +2
          Quote: makarov
          SW Alexander. I’m talking about the fact that the scapegoats are prepared by the authorities in advance,

          But who needs them, that Putin is so stupid that he would substitute himself with such goats. All this hits his rating in the first place.
    2. bairat
      bairat 29 November 2013 08: 36
      +5
      well then yes, shake any ministry and department there will shower their Serdyukovs and Vasilievs. the difference is only in the damage done, if by rank takes and shares then everything will be fine.
  • pensioner
    pensioner 29 November 2013 07: 07
    +2
    Anatoly Halatny
    In-in! And I like him so much more: in a work dressing gown, weaving baskets. On the White Swan ...
  • Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 29 November 2013 07: 11
    23
    A joke slipped less than a month ago:
    There is a lawsuit. The assistant judge comes in and calls the judge to the phone.
    Judge: - Who, what, I'm on trial now!
    Colleague: - Yes, I have such a complicated business here. - the federal highway was
    and the accused suffered damages amounting to $ 67 million!
    S: - 67 million .... Yes, this is serious.
    K: - So what should I do, how much should I give him?
    S: - But in general, what is the total cost of the work?
    K: - Yes, something about three and a half billion.
    C: - So the damage is less than 2% of the cost!
    So, assign him a fine of 150 rubles and let it roll!
    And don’t call me on such trifles!
    He returns to the conference room and reads out the verdict for the accused:
    - Accused, you stole a chicken from a neighbor, causing her
    through their actions material and moral damage!
    For this you are sentenced to 5 years in a maximum security colony.
    without parole!
    The verdict is final and not subject to appeal!
    There is a JOK in every joke!

    "Long live our court, the most humane court in the world"
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 07: 30
      -9
      Quote: Starover_Z
      - Accused, you stole a chicken from a neighbor, causing her
      through their actions material and moral damage!
      For this you are sentenced to 5 years in a colony with

      An anecdote for a sucker, the cost of chicken does not work under a criminal article. The maximum is an administrator. Although you can solder a 150 fine and let it roll laughing
      1. cobalt
        cobalt 29 November 2013 07: 36
        +7
        Why, with penetration into the neighbor's barn, i.e. to another repository, Article 158 of Part 2 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation will already be in place, and this is up to 5 years in prison.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 07: 48
          -1
          Quote: cobalt
          , Article 158 of Part 2 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation will already be in place, and this is up to 5 years

          In terms of damage, it doesn’t even roll to 158.1. Yes, and then, whether preliminary intent was open or sheds were opened and an orphaned chicken ran around the yard in search of food. It was exhausted by the non-humane attitude of the owners who did not feed the poor chicken. And this is 245 against the owners laughing A compassionate citizen passing by had the intention of saving the bird from starvation wink So who is sitting here, and who will be recognized as a patient, the big question bully
          1. S-200
            S-200 29 November 2013 09: 05
            +5
            wassat Yes, well ... practically, bringing the chicken to starvation suicide!
            1. shuhartred
              shuhartred 29 November 2013 11: 48
              +1
              Wow business has grown! laughing
          2. Timeout
            Timeout 29 November 2013 12: 50
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            By the amount of damage, even at 158.1 does not roll.

            This article is presented upon the act, and not damage. Was there an act? It was. For him and landing, the damage is reimbursed in a civil lawsuit.
      2. yurii p
        yurii p 29 November 2013 09: 56
        +4
        apparently you are unfamiliar with the work of our "valiant" police, militia, you just have to get caught stealing a chicken, then they will count the number of missing layers in the district and count a couple of years, at least you will sunbathe, it is not for nothing that the saying among the people goes "our police, the police take care of us , first imprison, then guards. "This is to the fact that we have in our country stratification along social lines, the caste of" untouchables "and" "we need to change these views, do it like in India, there the caste" untouchable "is the lowest caste of society, which does not have any rights and privileges.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 10: 38
          -1
          Quote: yurii p
          apparently you are unfamiliar with the work of our "valiant" police, militia, you just have to get caught stealing a chicken, then they will count the number of missing layers in the district and count a couple of years

          I’m well familiar, because I’m telling you, nobody will run and count the hens. It’s easier to transfer the case to the world court and the whole hi
          1. ale-x
            ale-x 29 November 2013 12: 14
            0
            All is true up to 50 thousand rubles ..
        2. Timeout
          Timeout 29 November 2013 14: 44
          +1
          You are deeply mistaken, I understand very well ... It is not a matter of the number of layers, but the fact of theft. If you saw a laying hen drowning in a puddle, and pulled it out to make her artificial respiration, if there is a statement from the owner, this is automatically considered a theft, but the number of saved people does not play a role, unless of course you are suspected of cruelty to animals and find traces your swamp. The bottom line is even if you tried to steal, but only wanted to do a good deed, you are a priori considered a thief if they say they are to you.
      3. os9165
        os9165 29 November 2013 10: 26
        +1
        This is a joke for a sucker. Article 293. Negligence, but what does it have to do with it? If Serdyukov personally ordered the servicemen to do what they should not have done by the nature of their activity, what is negligence here? I doubt that the representatives of the RF IC do not know the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 10: 41
          -1
          Quote: os9165
          This is a joke for a sucker. Article 293. Negligence, but what does it have to do with it?

          Yes, even if they start with this, you can solder anything you want, only proof is needed. If it doesn’t exist, then his lawyers will rush to Strasbourg and sue a couple of billion from Russia in favor of Serdyukov. So it seems to be easy, but in fact, you need to know the case materials. And we don’t have this request
        2. ale-x
          ale-x 29 November 2013 12: 21
          0
          Apparently (I will believe) at this stage the status of Serdyukov himself as an accused is more important, and then "we will see".
  • Oskar
    Oskar 29 November 2013 07: 13
    10
    These "people", probably, and such a "person" as Goering would be tried for negligence or hooliganism, if he were (for example) the son-in-law (matchmaker, brother, etc.) of a good friend and ally of Putin. It's not who you are and what you have done that matters, but whose friend or relative you are, isn't it?
    The people were once again thrown a "bone" in the form of a criminal case under Part 1 of Article 293, which will either be destroyed or given a minimum suspended sentence. Yes, everyone was "pleased" by Bastrykin ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 07: 31
      +2
      Quote: Oskar
      These "people", probably, and such a "person" as Goering would be tried for negligence or hooliganism, if he were (for example) a son-in-law (matchmaker, brother, etc.) of a good friend and ally of Putin

      If he were a friend of Putin, he would not have been tried AT ALL. Even the case would not have started !!! Finish writing crap.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 29 November 2013 10: 02
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        If he were a friend of Putin, he would not have been tried AT ALL

        Exactly. He’s just a brother-in-law of Putin’s friend, then he became a former son-in-law, and he was publicly chided. Now he’s brother-in-law of Putin’s friend again. The matter is everyday.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 10: 43
          0
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Exactly. He’s just a brother-in-law of Putin’s friend, then he became a former son-in-law, and he was publicly scolded

          Yes, he was a witness.
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Now he’s brother-in-law of Putin’s friend again. The matter is everyday.

          And now they start a case against him. Igor, where is the logic ??? Why the hell did Putin fall, he has a lot of Serdyukovs with a spotless reputation. To breed all this mess, to lose the rating because of someone's son-in-law, well, is Putin really a sucker?
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 29 November 2013 10: 59
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And now they start a case against him. Igor, where is the logic ???

            Logic, San is simple. If the girl is pregnant, she must either have an abortion or give birth. In the case of Serdyukov, the matter will cost an abortion, an indicative flogging with a twisted thread (Remember how grandfathers took me). As a result, there will be a fine and general censure, no more.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 11: 19
              -2
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              In the case of Serdyukov, the deal will cost an abortion - an indicative flogging with a twisted thread

              Indicative for whom? The second, looking at this flogging, I want to become a masochist. And the third, this flogging hits Putin's rating. There are a bunch of other ways to punish, stupidly dismiss, so much so that you lose everything! In some shorts he’ll run and sleep with homeless people. That would be a flogging. Putin in this case won nothing, but only loses and not a little. What is the point?
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 29 November 2013 12: 00
                +4
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Putin in this case does not win anything, but only loses, and not a little. What is the point?

                I repeat, Putin is not an ignoramus, in which case you can always find a couple of guilty boyars and show them with a divine finger - Ata them, they were doing dark things behind my back. And I do not sleep, not in spirit ...request
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 12: 31
                  0
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  utin is not an ignoramus, in which case you can always find a couple of guilty boyars, and show them with a divine finger - Atu them

                  Show me an example when he did it?
      2. Eugeniy_369
        Eugeniy_369 30 November 2013 01: 36
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Stop writing crap.

        The Word of error is reddened ...
        It seems to me that under this nickname tovarisch sits and watches. Lan spoil, soon your "rat on the pipe will jump .." about whom are you going to scribble?
        Change the photo, it seems that the salary is solid?
        1. Oskar
          Oskar 30 November 2013 05: 27
          +2
          Do not worry about him, he certainly will not be lost. The employer will be replaced, diametrically change the point of view, business something! Will adapt ...
          1. Eugeniy_369
            Eugeniy_369 30 November 2013 12: 47
            +1
            Quote: Oskar
            Will adapt ...

            And the payments will remain ... wassat
  • GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 29 November 2013 07: 30
    +1
    You’ve negligent at some Tolyan, you didn’t build a cottage with the road burned ... laughing
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 29 November 2013 07: 36
    14
    By the way ... But a good indicator appeared in Russia. If anyone else had any illusions, then now, looking at these individuals and the antics of the authorities, everything becomes very clear.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 07: 49
      -2
      Quote: Peaceful military
      now, looking at these individuals and the antics of the authorities, everything becomes very clear.

      Hmm, for example, what became clear to you?
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 29 November 2013 08: 03
        14
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: Peaceful military
        now, looking at these individuals and the antics of the authorities, everything becomes very clear.

        Hmm, for example, what became clear to you?

        It became clear to us that in Russia, power is crystal clear, popular, independent, caring for the people, incorruptible, law-abiding, etc. etc. not like in Estonia, for example.
        А ВWhat did you think?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 08: 14
          +2
          Quote: Peaceful military
          What did you think?

          I didn’t think anything, I just asked. But you know, I don’t want such a power as in Estonia hi
          1. Peaceful military
            Peaceful military 29 November 2013 08: 20
            +7
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: Peaceful military
            What did you think?

            I didn’t think anything, I just asked. But you know, I don’t want such a power as in Estonia hi

            And we do not want, but we, as well as probably Вace, do not ask.
            Speaking of power in Estonia, it is led by members of the CPSU, loyal Marxistoleninists.fool
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 08: 28
              -1
              Quote: Peaceful military

              And we do not want to, but we, as probably you, are not asked.

              And so you have no choice, but I thought there was.
              Quote: Peaceful military
              Speaking of power in Estonia, it is led by members of the CPSU, loyal Marxistoleninists

              So it’s not only with you laughing
              1. Peaceful military
                Peaceful military 29 November 2013 08: 37
                +3
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Quote: Peaceful military

                And we do not want to, but we, as probably you, are not asked.

                And so you have no choice, but I thought there was.

                They have them, but we don’t have, because we, not the titular ones, are de-estranged from this holiday of de (p) democracy. hi
                1. mirag2
                  mirag2 29 November 2013 08: 53
                  +1
                  Not title, not title.
                  And besides, they are not citizens, if they haven’t learned the language. So?
                  You won’t get there.
                  1. Peaceful military
                    Peaceful military 29 November 2013 13: 16
                    +1
                    Quote: mirag2
                    Not title, not title.
                    And besides, they are not citizens, if they haven’t learned the language. So?
                    You won’t get there.

                    And so too. But this is not a cause, but a consequence. Imagine the parents of 2 children working in 3 double jobs so that the children had everything they need, paying 600-700 euros for a rented or borrowed apartment, themselves interrupting somehow. Presented? Do you think they will have money, time and energy to learn Estonian?
                    hi
  • major071
    major071 29 November 2013 07: 44
    19
    At the announcement of the verdict in the case of Serdyukov’s negligence, the judge stands up and addresses the court: - Do you have any questions regarding the consideration of the case? Hall in chorus: -No! Judge: - Well, no, and no trial! Loud applause. Curtain.
  • moskal68
    moskal68 29 November 2013 07: 44
    +2
    Yesterday, in the investigation of the high-profile criminal case of OJSC Oboronservis, the “changes” promised by the head of the Investigative Committee, Alexander Bastrykin, were supposed to “please everyone”: witness in the case, former head of the Ministry of Defense Anatoly Serdyukov became a suspect. However, the beautification imputed to him at the army’s expense of his son-in-law's recreation center was qualified by the investigation as merely “negligence” (part 1 of article 293 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation), for which even imprisonment was not provided. Moreover, the case may not go to court, as it is now subject to termination after the statute of limitations
    That kind of info has already slipped.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 08: 15
      +2
      Quote: 68
      That kind of info has already slipped.

      From lawyer infa slipped wink
  • predator.3
    predator.3 29 November 2013 07: 57
    +9
    Mrs. Vasilieva gave one of the most recent interviews to Dozhd shopping center, in which she shared with Ksenia Sobchak “the most intimate”, inviting her to her apartment in that same Molochny Lane.


    I watched this program (by chance), I do not know how many rooms there are in this apartment, but definitely not a 4-room one, as Vasilieva says, this is not the main thing, but the fact that she talked with such cynicism about her "work", the main thing is Her speeches are "grandmothers", like I'm used to a rich life, her papa has a super-duper millionaire, even multi, worried about the paintings seized by the investigation, I never said such words: Russia, Motherland! But the country is run by such "Vasilievs", there are a lot of them in the corridors of power! And it's scary!
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 29 November 2013 12: 09
      +1
      it remains to state ------- smart woman, same ------ knew who to "give"
  • sys-1985
    sys-1985 29 November 2013 07: 58
    +5
    But how so? Evil is not enough. A man squandered, destroyed, appropriated, presented state property for billions of money and ... again, he is not guilty! Our power elite has signed a death sentence.
  • awg75
    awg75 29 November 2013 08: 08
    +2
    except at the logging I do not want to see this sweet couple anywhere! go to jail ghouls !!
    1. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 29 November 2013 09: 54
      +2
      On the scaffold would also look nice!
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 29 November 2013 08: 09
    +6
    News: 2020 ...
    Yesterday in the investigation of the high-profile criminal case of Oboronservis OJSC, the next “changes” promised by the head of the Investigative Committee, Alexander Bastrykin,
    laughing laughing laughing
  • Ihrek
    Ihrek 29 November 2013 08: 12
    +2
    The fox is to blame, but the one who let the fox into the coop is more to blame. And despite the fact that there were signals that something bad was going on there, they kept her there for so long.
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 29 November 2013 11: 20
      +3
      Or maybe they waited for the fox to finally choke and die itself? wink
  • Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 29 November 2013 08: 13
    +5
    I have a question: is there no personnel department in Rostekhnologii? What kind of scam is it that takes on the staff "Under investigation"? That's just it!
    The roof added TOU. GDP, apparently, did not agree with this. Therefore, the status changed to "accused". They will not be imprisoned, but they will not be able to write "I was not on trial and investigation" in the application form. Well, the moral assessment of the people was formally confirmed.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 08: 29
      -7
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      The roof added TOU. GDP, apparently, did not agree with this. Therefore, the status changed to "accused".

      But who is the roof, the loaf is edron, well, they actually got it. Who can contradict Putin?
      1. S-200
        S-200 29 November 2013 09: 08
        +4
        hi Alexander, and Vasilyeva, the term of sitting under house arrest is To be counted !? ... in the ending of the play
        and if there is "peresid" under house arrest, the state HER also pay extra as PAYMENT! laughing
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 09: 45
          -1
          Quote: S-200
          But Vasiliev’s term of detention under house arrest will be counted!?.

          Well, yes, but if you get 10, then hai with her.
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 29 November 2013 14: 07
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        . Who can argue with Putin?

        Putin himself. A person periodically has contradictions even with himself.
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 30 November 2013 02: 39
          0
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          A person periodically has contradictions even with himself.

          good hi hi hi
      3. Eugeniy_369
        Eugeniy_369 30 November 2013 01: 39
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        But who is the roof, the loaf is edron, well, they actually got it. Who can contradict Putin?

        WTF? This marshal, as soon as an article about politics is right there ... are you awake?
  • Hort
    Hort 29 November 2013 08: 16
    +7
    there is only one hackneyed phrase in mind: "Only mass executions will save the Motherland"
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 29 November 2013 08: 28
      10
      No comments

  • Ulysses
    Ulysses 29 November 2013 08: 18
    +4
    Schaub this vrazhina quickly changed the klikuhu "negligent" into "parasite".
    There is a place for him.
  • moskal68
    moskal68 29 November 2013 08: 19
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: 68
    That kind of info has already slipped.

    From lawyer infa slipped wink
    I don’t understand why he needs a lawyer? Shoot the reptile and Vasya the cat.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 08: 30
      +2
      Quote: 68
      I don’t understand why he needs a lawyer?

      As always, prove the absurdity of the accusation.
  • Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 29 November 2013 08: 23
    +5
    They threw a bone, as they say. Didn’t you find another one?
    Serdyukov - litmus test. What will see the result of the fight against his crimes, such is the true fight against corruption.

    "PS Press service of the President of the Russian Federation:
    We don't comment on this. "
    Who would doubt that.
  • Andreitas
    Andreitas 29 November 2013 08: 32
    0
    Gang Watering Can! Straight gang Serdyukov vs Vasiliev. The campaign smelled a little fried for them. Just not faded quickly.
  • moskal68
    moskal68 29 November 2013 08: 34
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: 68
    I don’t understand why he needs a lawyer?

    As always, prove the absurdity of the accusation.
    Oh yes. How stool Dima iPhone praised! As soon as he was removed from his post, so Luntik blurted out something like - a successful manager.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 08: 39
      -1
      Quote: 68
      Dima iPhone praised! TO

      What does he have to do with it?
    2. Hort
      Hort 29 November 2013 08: 46
      +6
      Duck Serdyukov like Volodka appointed, the tadpole has nothing to do with it
  • moskal68
    moskal68 29 November 2013 08: 45
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: 68
    Dima iPhone praised! TO

    What does he have to do with it?
    I remembered somehow. I think that Dima has a lot to do with it. Well, they’re not quite holding him for a sucker in the Kremlin?
  • moskal68
    moskal68 29 November 2013 08: 48
    +1
    Quote: hort
    Duck Serdyukov like Volodka appointed, the tadpole has nothing to do with it
    He appointed Vova, but Luntik oversaw.
  • AK-47
    AK-47 29 November 2013 08: 55
    10
    Negligence! laughing
    1. svp67
      svp67 29 November 2013 09: 20
      +7
      Quote: AK-47
      Negligence! laughing

      That's right, but at that moment he left the investigators from Vasilieva’s apartment in his underpants, then he was now accused of cowardice. Would Anatoly - cowardly ...
  • Pokerof13
    Pokerof13 29 November 2013 09: 03
    0
    Yes, our country lacks "Robin Hood". The people's avenger in this situation would have solved a couple of problems - it is pleasant for the people and brought the "roof" of Serdyukov out of an uncomfortable situation.
    1. svp67
      svp67 29 November 2013 09: 47
      +2
      Quote: Pokerof13
      Yes, our country lacks "Robin Hood"

      We don’t have enough children ...
  • Dejavu
    Dejavu 29 November 2013 09: 04
    +4
    Another kapets from our justice. What a fucking miracle does Tubaretkin manage to stay dry ?! From any ass will come out clean, satisfied and well-fed.
  • morpogr
    morpogr 29 November 2013 09: 13
    +1
    For a strict regime of him for 20 years with confiscation. Will be in this bathrobe a favorite of all prisoners.
  • moskal68
    moskal68 29 November 2013 09: 21
    +1
    Quote: morpogr
    For a strict regime of him for 20 years with confiscation. Will be in this bathrobe a favorite of all prisoners.
    But who is to pose him?)))
  • veteran56
    veteran56 29 November 2013 09: 41
    +2
    Finally, Serdyukov’s patrons found Solomon’s decision - they seem to have opened a criminal case and sentenced them to 120 fines and the people, it seems, should calm down, but did not take into account one thing - the people
    far the wrong one and similar tricks from the Kremlin will not pass.
  • PDM80
    PDM80 29 November 2013 09: 44
    0
    The qualification of Serdyukov's actions as negligence, of course, causes bewilderment, because according to what was announced, his actions on construction were deliberate, and negligence is when a crime is committed, let's say "by accident, by accident", well, not like when a soldier is purposefully sent with the knowledge of the minister, except Moreover, his actions will be qualified under Part 3 of Article 293, not as under the first. Well, if he is finally charged under Article 285 or 286 of the Criminal Code, then he will have up to 10 years. But we must not forget that the prosecutor's office may intervene, which, as in "gambling", can take the side, well, not like the law, and cancel the decision to initiate a criminal case.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 29 November 2013 11: 50
      +1
      Quote: PDM80
      The qualification of Serdyukov's actions as negligence, of course, causes bewilderment, because, according to what was announced, his actions on construction were deliberate, and negligence is when a crime is committed, let's say "by accident, by oversight",


      I want to please you and all the members of the forum. I thought that they read us only in the Ministry of Defense. It turns out that we are also read in the RF IC. The outraged feedback from the forum and angry comments have been successful. So.
      SK: The case against Serdyukov may be re-qualified
      The Investigative Committee does not exclude that the criminal case of negligence brought against former defense minister Anatoly Serdyukov could be retrained, said the official representative of the department Vladimir Markin.
      more details here http://vz.ru/news/2013/11/29/661905.html
      1. Hort
        Hort 29 November 2013 12: 08
        +1
        let's see ...
  • moskal68
    moskal68 29 November 2013 09: 49
    +3
    Quote: veteran56
    Finally, Serdyukov’s patrons found Solomon’s decision - they seem to have opened a criminal case and sentenced them to 120 fines and the people, it seems, should calm down, but did not take into account one thing - the people
    far the wrong one and similar tricks from the Kremlin will not pass.
    Will not pass? What will happen? They will grind the topic and get crushed. As, for example, with those dagas that beat the deputy. They were detained, so what? What happened to them? Planted? The media are silent. So it will be here.
  • siberko
    siberko 29 November 2013 09: 50
    +3
    Tell me people, why are our people so stupid in Russia? No offense. In the sense that if you say "in Russian", we are "pissing in our ears" and we are happy and as if we will not notice anything, they will never jail Serdyuk, never ... he will pay a fine of up to 120 thousand rubles and that's it, it should have been shot long ago together with his "friend" shame on our justice for being corrupt. It is clear that at least something needs to be presented to the Stool, then it would not be "negligence" but "hooliganism", what is there to waste on trifles, but what about the plundered army, undermining national security with the help of "Oboronservis" (Slavyanka Oboronenergo, etc. sharazhkin milking offices of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation), the heads of which are "their own managers-optimizers"
  • demotivator
    demotivator 29 November 2013 09: 52
    +5
    About negligence. This word itself means that the person who allowed it did not have the intention to spend state funds, in this case the means of the Ministry of Defense, and forces too, because Serdyukov's subordinates built the road, instead of training in military training, for his personal needs, according to the investigation, It was. What a good consequence we have! Just like Russia is a generous soul. Here the Minister is sitting in his chair, and accidentally discovers that someone there, behind his back, suddenly starts to build a road to the cottage of a relative Serdyukov at the state expense. But he had nothing to do with it, he simply showed negligence. Or such light arrogance at the disposal of folk money. Once upon a time - long ago, back in 1946, when Marshal Zhukov G.K. brought to justice for various sins, including also for the fact that he undeservedly awarded military orders and medals to his front-line mistress, medical service lieutenant Zakharov, who during the whole war never took out any wounded from the battlefield, and nobody She did not provide any help, except for specific services to her formidable boss. For this, he awarded her military awards. 10 Soviet and foreign military (!) Awards. So, when this episode with the awards of his mistress was presented to Zhukov, he pretended to be a dunno - supposedly his subordinate generals were to blame - they wrote representations on her out of a desire to please him. And he had nothing to do with it, so he showed negligence. Since then, little has changed. I'm not talking about lovers - this is a matter of life. I’m saying that you have a woman on the side, so do not keep her at the public expense, but only from your pocket, at her own expense, give her presents. Vaughn Rokossovsky was also far from a hypocrite, and the handsome man and women were his match, but he did not climb into his state pocket, and was not involved in dark frauds. This is a real officer who treasured his honor!
  • raliv
    raliv 29 November 2013 10: 03
    +1
    Would you know how glad I was ... that I can’t even eat ...
    From laughter, damn it.
  • Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 29 November 2013 10: 11
    +2
    Quote: Canep
    Finally! But why wait a whole year? But I suppose this criminal case was concocted only to silence public outrage. And if the case comes to court, the term will be ridiculous and conditional. And Serdyukov will continue to work in the sweat of his brow at Rostekhnologii.

    Our government will do nothing not with its minions, nor with its slave-gasters, it is not afraid of public opinion, it is afraid of public unrest, it is not necessary to wait from the authorities, it needs to be demanded, it is afraid of this and therefore makes concessions, if only they did not overthrow her!
  • family tree
    family tree 29 November 2013 10: 26
    +1
    Nice move! First they got a job, and then they were charged with negligence. Tomorrow the traffic police inspector will come and present a protocol that the stool, with a strap negligently in the car, did not fasten his seatbelt, and that's it. Tolyan will dress himself with a slight fright, and send him further to harvest, in the sense of "mowing cabbage"
  • bomg.77
    bomg.77 29 November 2013 10: 45
    0
    He has not appeared at work for two weeks yes Putin probably doesn’t let him go there.
  • Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 29 November 2013 11: 04
    +2
    What happened is what I wrote above!

    Moscow. 29th of November. INTERFAX.RU - The statute of limitations in a criminal case of negligence against former Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov has expired, a source familiar with the case told Interfax on Thursday.

    "Negligence is a crime of small gravity, the statute of limitations for it is two years after the commission of the act. The road to the Zhitnoye recreation center was built, according to preliminary data, by the fall of 2011, the statute of limitations is calculated from that moment," the source said agencies.
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 29 November 2013 11: 30
      0
      Quote: Kibalchish
      What happened is what I wrote above!

      Moscow. 29th of November. INTERFAX.RU - The statute of limitations in a criminal case of negligence against former Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov has expired, a source familiar with the case told Interfax on Thursday.

      "Negligence is a crime of small gravity, the statute of limitations for it is two years after the commission of the act. The road to the Zhitnoye recreation center was built, according to preliminary data, by the fall of 2011, the statute of limitations is calculated from that moment," the source said agencies.
      Kibalchish, I don’t know, plus you put or minus for bad news request +
      1. Kibalchish
        Kibalchish 29 November 2013 11: 39
        0
        I myself am reluctant to act like Cassandra, but alas, everything comes true regarding Serdyuk. Wait, right now Romanov will come and will prove that this Serdyuk is so bad, and Putin has nothing to do with it. Although for many years in our country nothing serious has been done without the personal command of the president.
        1. bomg.77
          bomg.77 29 November 2013 14: 13
          0
          Quote: Kibalchish
          . Although for many years in our country nothing serious has been done without the personal command of the president.
          Means and check in MO began with his knowledge?
  • moskal68
    moskal68 29 November 2013 11: 10
    +1
    Somehow they get to the point that Serdyukov will be awarded.
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 29 November 2013 12: 16
      0
      it will be so ....--- Order of St. Andrew the First-Called ......
  • demotivator
    demotivator 29 November 2013 11: 18
    +2
    Well then, if the statute of limitations has expired, and the perpetrator was never punished in a timely manner and evil triumphed, it is necessary to institute the case is now in relation to Bastrykin and his subordinates, who also committed "negligence", which led to impunity. Find not just the extreme, but those who, through their negligence and red tape, allowed this. But who will do this in today's Russia?
    1. avg
      avg 29 November 2013 11: 47
      0
      Find not just extreme, but those who, through their negligence and red tape, allowed this. But just who in present-day Russia will do this?

      Is that Aniskin will be taken. smile
  • iwind
    iwind 29 November 2013 11: 29
    +1
    Not what is not an option? For his roof is a very convenient way out of the situation. Many will not give him. But according to the law of the Russian Federation, it is impossible to judge twice for one crime, or rather it is possible, but it will not be easy to resume the case with the Serdikov’s roof and lawyers. And 120 tons of rubles, I think he will save his money and somehow collect it or take it from relatives, he is a crystal-clear person from where he can get such money. wassat
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  • siberko
    siberko 29 November 2013 11: 41
    +1
    Quote: demotivator
    Well then, if the statute of limitations has expired

    This is exactly what Bastrykin wanted to pleasantly please "some", he waited for a long time, as much as 2 years ... so they brought it up, as if no one in the entire investigative committee knew that for 2 years it was bye ...
  • valerij
    valerij 29 November 2013 11: 44
    -1
    What a disgusting thing, This scum stole as much as they wanted, but they tell us the statute of limitations!? Does the Kremlin really don’t understand that they are striking the same line, all this causes only disgust, it’s disgusting to look at these miserable faces. so we’re still unlucky, it’s time for the Russians to vote for the right people, and not for some kind of trash
  • shtanko.49
    shtanko.49 29 November 2013 11: 54
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Sunjar
    . Someone who is very serious, Serdyukov, roofs and accordingly puts sticks in the wheels of the so-called justice.

    Who will put the sticks in the wheels if the face team sounded from Putin? And at the same time, which of the investigators will initiate UD against Serdyukov, if Putin himself is the roof laughing Not boys, it’s necessary to somehow determine wassat

    Have you forgotten your iPhone? If he rests on his horn, no one will move him except Putin, and this is an underhanded fuss about which we know little.
  • x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 29 November 2013 11: 56
    +3
    why “before” billions appeared in the case, and now the amount of damage has fallen, as mathematicians say, by two orders of magnitude, then the accusation and especially the hypothetical punishment look, to put it mildly, unintelligible. But what is there "unintelligible" - they look ridiculous.
    PHOTO: yesterday
  • alexey.sh
    alexey.sh 29 November 2013 11: 57
    +3
    that this farce was dragging out is not even very interesting anymore, if the prosecutor’s office cannot decide, then let Putin put a comma, it’s impossible to pardon