Not mature to democracy

"A kind word and a revolver can be achieved
far more than a kind word ”(Al Capone)

Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin the other day intelligibly described happy America: “There you only reach into your pocket if the policeman is standing opposite, she will shoot the rhinestone. There are many examples, almost every week. Immediately right without words - a bullet in the forehead, that's all. We, thank God, have not grown to such a democracy yet. I think we will not grow. ”

American police have long surpassed Al Capone. If you look through the bulletins News, then the hair will stand on end. "Cops" kill children with plastic guns, they do not shoot criminals, but those who are injured, they plant bullets in passers-by - simply because they accidentally fell into the path of "law enforcement officers." Revolvers and pistols have long been a continuation of the hands of the police. It is amazing how these warriors did not shoot all their friends and family ...

In late October, 2013, in Santa Rosa, California, sheriff's assistants shot a thirteen-year-old boy named Andy armed with a ... plastic machine gun. The police took the toy for real AK-47. Moreover, one of the “law enforcement officers” who killed the child had previously served in the army: he was a professional military officer.

Vigilant law enforcement officers passing through the street in a patrol car noticed an "armed" teenager, stopped the car, got out of it, hid behind the doors and ordered Andy to put weapon to the ground. It is not known whether the teenager was frightened by police officers, or for some other reason did not immediately react to their shouts. Now no one will know. The shooting started. The media writes that one of two officers, namely Eric Dzhelhaus (sheriff’s assistant), shot the boy. Then, during the trial, the police said that it seemed to them that the child intends to raise the "automatic" ...

How many times did a sheriff's assistant shoot a child? Maybe he aimed at his feet? Or first shot up?

No, he beat to death. And hit Andy seven times. Two wounds were fatal. This is not an invention of journalists, and the results of the autopsy.

Police felts seemed small; they also decided to chain the "criminal" into handcuffs. Shackled him already dead. Then they searched their victim. And they found a gun in Andy's pocket. Also plastic.

Then a protest demonstration took place in Santa Rosa, in which more than a thousand people took part. People shouted: “This officer served in the US Army, he should have known the difference between real weapons and plastic toys!”

Earlier, in the same October, the Washington police killed a woman in a car, arranging for her a whole cine chase between the White House and the Capitol - after the driver nearly ran into the White House. When the woman was killed, it turned out: in the car, besides her, there was an one-year-old girl. She did not suffer by pure chance. Later it became known that the deceased 34-year-old Miriam Carey was no terrorist and did not intend to blow up the Oval Office with Obama inside the belt of the suicide bomber. She suffered from depression - and probably lost control. However, the police in the United States first shoot, then think.

Earlier, on September 14, the “guards of order” oparafilis in New York, on Times Square. Noticing a strange man, who then ran out onto the roadway, then ran away from her, and when the police approached, he also put his hand in his pocket, without hesitation, they opened the firing. They did not hit the suspicious comrade, but they shot down two women, seriously injuring both of them.

Having cleared a way for themselves, the policemen managed to guess that the Mr. pursued by them was unarmed. Only this saved his life: instead of revolvers, "cops" used a stun gun. Subsequently, the doctor explained that this person was mentally unstable.

There are many such people in the US - unbalanced and suffering from depression. It seems that the “guards of order” decided to shoot them all. Together with children who roam the streets with plastic machine guns and pistols.

That same September, valiant policemen in Charlotte, North Carolina, shot an unarmed man who ... asked for help.

Some local resident called the law enforcement officers by phone: an unknown person seemed to be bursting into her house. This "unknown", seeing a police car, immediately rushed from the door, which knocked, to the policemen. Of course, he had no weapons.

Without hesitation, the “guardian of order” pulled out a stun gun. But the machine for some reason did not work. Then the second policeman opened fire with a pistol.

24-year-old Jonathan Fairrell died on the spot.

Nearby, police found a damaged car that belonged to Mr. Fairrell. It turned out that this man had an accident and knocked on the nearest house to ask for help. Instead of helping her neighbor, the hostess called the police. And since the police in the United States prefer to shoot all suspicious, the bell played a fatal role in the fate of a stranger.

These are all facts.

Perhaps, the US police, which is allowed to shoot when hit and into anyone, inspires real fear of the bandits and robbers and with such powers is very effective in the fight against crime? Perhaps in the United States long ago ended with gangsters, street gangs, robbers and murderers?

Как бы не так.

October 18 police of Greenville, Mississippi, arrested four young people between the ages of 18 and 19 who were suspected of killing 87-year-old World War II veteran Lawrence Sornton. These adolescents didn’t have exactly any fear and acted in cold blood in broad daylight.

Sorton was hit right at his house. The old man was knocked to the ground and the wallet was torn from him. The veteran died in the hospital.

In August, two other teenage robbers in Spokane, Washington, beat X-NUMX-year-old veteran Delbert Belton. This old man also died from his injuries.

As for crime, it does not decline in the United States, but is growing rapidly.

The official statistics of the FBI as the most dangerous metropolis of the United States recently recognized Chicago, where gangs of Latin Americans and blacks roamed. In 2011, 431 people were killed here, and in 2012, 515 people were killed. At the same time, the entire 419 killings occurred in New York. At the same time 2,7 million people live in Chicago, and 8,3 million live in New York.

Other deadly cities in the USA: Detroit, Philadelphia, Los Angeles. Indianapolis turned out to be the least dangerous following 2012: only one hundred and one people were killed there.

Therefore, the “law enforcement officers” are not particularly effective. Rather, the opposite. "I saw a policeman and died" - this is about America.

“... Immediately right without words - a bullet in the forehead, that's all. We, thank God, have not grown to such a democracy yet ... ”

All right Let's not “grow” in this direction. We have already peredelul too much bad from the West and threw too much good Soviet.

Comments

[Revolver]

the sheriff's assistants shot and killed a XNUMX-year-old boy named Andy, armed with ... a plastic gun.

I saw the sheriff's press conference. He showed this toy machine and next to a real AKM. They are indistinguishable not only at the first, but also at the second and third glances, and the sizes are 1 to 1. But the cop did not have time at the second glance. So he was trained in the army: if someone does not obey the order to drop weapons, fire to defeat.
If anyone is to be judged, then the one who gave (sold) to the boy a toy, indistinguishable from a weapon. By law, toys must include clearly visible plastic parts in bright (such as orange, toxic green and other "neon") colors, just for such an occasion.

[Field]

we would have a cop, and it turned out that he was not an employee at the time of the commission, because he was fired

Quote: Nagan

By law, toys must include clearly visible plastic parts of bright (such as orange, toxic green and other "neon") colors, just for such an occasion.

I would have introduced this to the pneumatics, otherwise look at the "hole" 9mm or 4,5 in the twilight (as the "specialists" advise who, from a hundred dead, see a combat or toy)

[Max_Bauder]

I think so, maybe the cop is right in thinking that a kid with a Kalash can shoot both him and passers-by, maybe the boy is right who wanted to live but recklessly walked with a toy Kalash in a country where they shoot because of this, but in any case it’s important one thing

how will the cop after that sleep and live?

this applies to many who have served in the army / police and will serve who will have to face this sooner or later - with the killing of another person.

I am a believer and I believe in the inevitability of the punishment of God, if the cop will ever have trouble with children, I am sure he will remember this kid, also everyone who kills for the sake of truth or evil, there will be a punishment for it, you just need to know about it.

[DimychDV]

That country imposes a stereotype of behavior on the whole world: every scoundrel is more right than anyone who is defenseless than him. Especially when the law is on his side. So the policeman may not be worried. And besides this, it is perhaps no coincidence that Latinos and other non-WASPs (white-Anglo-Saxon-Protestant) often suffer from this shooting. In order not to be very happy about the freedoms of the day ...

[abdrah]

"I am a believer and I believe in the inevitability of punishing God, if a cop ever has trouble with his children, I am sure he will remember this kid"
“Did you hear about the guy who dropped the bomb on Hiroshima?” So he said before his death that he did not repent of anything and would have done it again if he had been ordered to do so. Last year or the year before last, he lived long and not bad, only the only one who asked to be silent after his death where he was buried .
I recalled him to the fact that not everyone is afraid of the punishment of the Lord, and even worse, that it does not come to all.

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Field

I would have introduced this to the pneumatics, otherwise look at the "hole" 9mm or 4,5 in the twilight (as the "specialists" advise who, from a hundred dead, see a combat or toy)

I would id.io.tov forcibly sterilize, at first I would paint them in bright, fluorescent colors, and then deprive them of their inheritance ... for hundreds of meters it would be clear who you are dealing with, even at dusk ...

[StolzSS]

But I don’t think I’m using a knife and then what to look at ...

[Old_kapitan]

He showed this toy machine and next to a real AKM. Indistinguishable not only at first, but also at second and third glance, and the dimensions of 1 to 1.

Now an entire industry of such toys has developed - MMG (mass-dimensional models). They are not just 1: 1, the same AKM can be removed from the fuse, the shutter can be distorted, and if the magazine is equipped, the cartridge will fly out. In Ukraine, this good can be freely bought on the Internet, although amateur prices are biting. So no matter how sorry the kid, and when you see the last photo from the article, you’re unlikely to think whether to shoot or not ...

[tilovaykrisa]

It's just that your cops are pissing because they are pissing, but I understand them as a human being, because everyone may have a barrel in his pocket and maybe more than one, so they are reinsured in this way "right into the olive tree." This is just an article on the legalization of short-barrels.

[Asgard]

Well, firstly, the policeman clearly saw that THIS BABY ....
* Until the man opened the FIRE, the policemen in the conditions of a peaceful city were the first to NOT open fire .... especially since they were outside the barrier)))
* And thirdly, firing on the alleged OFFENDER should not be carried out to defeat ... immobilize, injure, fire with automatic weapons can suppress the will to resist ...... the child))))

But in general the Police, in America and here, are legalized bandits ....
More recently, in New York, the police were a SYNDICAT, only in the 80s they somehow turned the tide .... I doubt that until the end ....

Seaside Partisans began to fight with the Police, WHY ??????
Because they were engaged in DRUG and killings of citizens !!!!!!!
We consume a quarter of hard drugs, and exactly at that time, when the Anti-Drug Trafficking service was formed)))) And what became less ????

Policemen in no country in the world are improving the situation. They drive the people into the reservation (the size of the country)))) - that’s their purpose ........

[Revolver]

firing on the alleged OFFENDER must not be carried out to defeat ... immobilize, injure, fire with automatic weapons can suppress the will to resist

Vladimir,
Can you personally get a silt on your shoulder from a pistol with a guarantee? I personally can’t say such a thing about myself, even in a calm environment I won’t always get into the dash.
Moreover, keep in mind that your target is automatic, and you only have a gun, and this understanding does not reassure, but just the opposite. This adrenaline rush does not improve accuracy. Those who taught him understand this, and therefore are taught to shoot at the hull. It is in the cinema of the enemy that they disarm and immobilize with a well-aimed shot in the arm or leg.

[AVV]

Yes, you don’t need to justify the policeman, he didn’t see that the child was in front of him, and the real AK was much harder, and the child couldn’t even open fire immediately if the cops in America are paranoid and mentally unbalanced not to serve in the police, and to be treated in mental hospitals, and upon admission to the service, must pass a commission !!!

[revnagan]

Quote: AVV

the child could not, even if he wanted, immediately open fire

There is a video on the Internet where a monkey is shaking out of an AK wherever it is. But around it are black revolutionary rebels and the jungle. And if a teenager starts watering from AK in a village? With their plasterboard and plastic walls? And forgot the case, like a teenager with a machine gun "Did you hunt" at school? It's a pity the kid died for nothing. But even our country provides for the use of weapons even against "... minors ... in the event of an armed or group attack."

[solvent]

When a landmine planted by a "child" goes off under your car, then, I suppose, you will change your opinion to the opposite.

[Combitor]

AVV (1) SU Yesterday, 12:08, so not able to "?

[Asgard]

Hello .....
The police officers in the trunk have a pump-case with shot ... (for information))
The gun was not given to them for attack, but for personal protection from AGGRESSION and so that there was time to hold out until help, the Gun is only for THIS in the Army and the Police ....
The fact that they show in the cinema is nonsense ....
Then the policeman’s hand is full of weapons (shooting at the shooting range))
Adrenaline is of course present, but this is a child and did not fire a single shot .....
I’ve gone on vacation to Kurdistan, everyone goes there with Weapons and Children, including, for a week, they shot twice at the banks from under stewed fruit next to me))) and nothing into the air, no shootings, although I didn’t the surrounding people had weapons ... But it was a village and everyone really perceived the situation (there were NO threats)))
Like those Police officers, behind a car hidden, with walkie-talkies, together (a numerical advantage))) they have the Law, years lived, experience and support of the state police forces for 5-10 minutes ...

And on the other side is a CHILD with a scary TOY AUTOMATIC MACHINE in a country where weapons are freely sold)))))

Horror))))))))We have freely sold large-scale models in Russia (see PHOTO)), many are lying in the back seat of a car, if the traffic cop sees, then he will ask, Model ??? Yes, you say, that’s all, gives the documents and you move on when the anti-terror actions are carried out, then you pick it up, turn it around, but not one grabbed your military weapon ...... there is no threat ...... from the person )))))

[Mikhail3]

It is useless to argue. Your opponent is right - the policeman acted correctly. He behaved as he had to conduct and shot where necessary. A normal democratic world is characterized primarily by the fact that its power structures are at war. At war with your own people! Otherwise, this system simply cannot function. I will write an article.

[Jipo]

Here a couple of three years ago, our Karaganda citizen was shot in the states, the fellow guy knocked on the door, they did not open him. Vigilant neighbors of the informers called the police, a local police officer released the entire store into an unarmed guy, and the guy was lit and did not even have a fake weapon. This is normal?

[revnagan]

Quote: Asgard

We have freely sold large-scale models in Russia (see PHOTO)), many are lying in the back seat of a car, if the traffic cop sees, then he will ask, Model ??? Yes, you say, that’s all, gives the documents and you move on when the anti-terror actions are carried out, then you pick it up, turn it around, but not one grabbed your military weapon ...... there is no threat ...... from the person )))))

So you are not doing the right thing ... You need to immediately grab the model, pull the bolt and direct it at the policemen. Try to take them "on the fly", let's see if they understand the model or not ...

[m262]

The situation is controversial, according to the laws of the United States, the policeman is right from the point of view of a human child killed. In Minsk, half a year ago, a psychiatric pensioner wandered around the Loshitsa microdistrict with a pistol, called up an outfit, two ensigns arrived, tried to detain them without firing (we can be put in prison for using weapons, and there are no zones for the Ministry of Internal Affairs in Belarus together with criminals), as a result, the ensign was killed 42 years, two children.
Then on TUT.BY, they also shouted a lot "first it was necessary to shoot," almost to throw grenades, and then they figured out how to live then ... The mentality is not the same.
I went to the "squad" in the traffic police (well, there are such eccentrics in vests at the crossroads, "and so the lieutenant, who was distributing to the sites, wore a pneumatic (PM) in a cabura, they asked why, says" so as not to shoot someone. "
The main weapon of a policeman or a policeman is the head !!! At least in Afghanistan, at least in Siberia.

[Val_y]

Of course, accuracy, adrenaline, all that, but SEVEN TIMES, IN THE CHILD, yes you certainly, yes, subtly noticed, terrible professionalism (mental imbalance, but in another way THIS POLICE MYSELF MANIAK KILLER), by the way, this is the norm for mattresses.

[Setrac]

Quote: Nagan

Can you personally get a silt on your shoulder from a pistol with a guarantee? I personally can’t say such a thing about myself, even in a calm environment I won’t always get into the dash.

Seven times?
"The victim walked, slipped, fell and ran into a knife, and so seventeen times.
How to justify SEVEN hits?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Setrac

How to justify SEVEN hits?

An army training in practical pistol shooting, you know, it’s tightly drunk into reflexes, and the article says that the cop is a military veteran. Here's what it looks like:

[AlNikolaich]

Quote: And Us Rat

An army training in practical pistol shooting, you know, it’s tightly drunk into reflexes, and the article says that the cop is a military veteran. Here's what it looks like:

This is a civilian applied sport for high-speed target destruction. In the states, even the championship is held ... The military is taught to shoot differently! Apparently a cop-stupid person (you can't say otherwise) was engaged in similar garbage in some club. Hence the multiple (7 times) defeat of the target! Instead of once! There is a complete lack of shooting culture! For him, shoot what is in a bag with rags and what doesn’t matter to a person! Missing hit control!

[And Us Rat]

Quote: AlNikolaich

Quote: And Us Rat

An army training in practical pistol shooting, you know, it’s tightly drunk into reflexes, and the article says that the cop is a military veteran. Here's what it looks like:

This is a civilian applied sport for high-speed target destruction. In the states, even the championship is held ... The military is taught to shoot differently! Apparently a cop-stupid person (you can't say otherwise) was engaged in similar garbage in some club. Hence the multiple (7 times) defeat of the target! Instead of once! There is a complete lack of shooting culture! For him, shoot what is in a bag with rags and what doesn’t matter to a person! Missing hit control!

You are not right:
1. In the video, it’s a military method of shooting, in different countries it’s a different school, for example, they taught me that way in the army, and Yusovtsy adopted this style a long time ago. This type of shooting is designed to use a pistol as a spare weapon and is designed for guaranteed target destruction. A pistol bullet does not inflict such damage (due to cavitation wave) as an automatic, and 2-3 shots do not always guarantee the neutralization of the enemy.
2. More targeted shooting is practiced when the hostages are released, there is a different style. There, the emphasis is on aiming at the head / arm / leg at close and medium distances, in the shortest time and from the first shot. And I doubt that an ordinary cop / infantryman will take such specialized courses. (Although the cops might be worth it)
3. I repeat - this style can be club only in countries with a different military school, but not in the west (although it is also taught in clubs). I studied both of the methods I listed, and the most difficult training is learning to quickly assess the situation and make a decision, which level of fire exposure to apply. Agree, there is a difference in the defeat of the bandit who holds the hostage, and the defeat of a suicide bomber running at you with a grenade in his hand (which happened). The cop may really be short-sighted - but I'm still sure that this reflex worked.

[DimychDV]

Nuuu, it was only our border guards who were taught (and then, probably, only in the USSR) to aim and hit not 10, but 7, 6, 5, 4 on the target. Because at the border, not corpses are needed, but languages. In the police, in theory, too. But practice says just that: cops usually shoot at vital organs. In the center of the chest, in the stomach, in the head, in the neck ... Since a "client" speaking to the police is often a much bigger problem than a dead one. So they learn to shoot CORRECTLY. And shooting is a matter of automatism ...

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Asgard

the policeman clearly saw that THIS BABY ....

[solvent]

Not such a boy, but rather a teenager, a young man.
photo of the murdered

[Revolver]

Quote: solvent

Not such a boy, but rather a teenager, a young man.

Mexican drug cartels regularly use youngsters as killers. Not really trying, I found a couple of articles on this topic, there are in English, but to remove the main point, an online translator will do. And this news is what the public is informed, and in police orientations, I think, more on this topic. So the cop, having seen the mexa-youngster with a gun, acted in accordance with the instructions.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/19859121/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/alleged-teen-hi
t-man-cartel-admits-killing / #. Up0brxDN3Eg

www.cnn.com/2013/11/26/world/americas/mexico- teen-man-man-freed/index.html

[chunga-changa]

Yes to us that, though completely shoot each other.
I think you need to seek permission to sell freely and the right to bear arms throughout the United States. There is still room for democracy to grow, there are still islands where the American government keeps people without means of self-defense. Again, the criminality is unbridled, and normal normal citizens would immediately restore order on their own.

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Nagan

the sheriff's assistants shot and killed a XNUMX-year-old boy named Andy, armed with ... a plastic gun.

I saw the sheriff's press conference. He showed this toy machine and next to a real AKM. Indistinguishable not only at first but also at second and third glance, and sizes 1 to 1.

A corpse, without signs of life, how many times must I inspect to understand that it is a corpse ???

I wonder what you will say when this attentive cop shoots your child with seven shots, of which at least two are deadly, and then puts handcuffs on the corpse ??? I am being duplicated to the corpse of the body they did not read the rights ... or did they still read it ??? yes no one heard ???

You just have a country of not frightened id.io.tov. It feels like all your police are constantly in amphetamine fumes ...

[cth; fyn]

if anyone disobeys the order to drop weapons, fire to defeat.

A warning in the air? and shooting for the purpose of detention? Anyway, shooting in broad daylight on the street where there are many passers-by ... We would have been planted.

[Baboon]

You are a resident of the United States. could write so, due to the fact that in the United States the second amendment to the Constitution guarantees the right of citizens to store and carry weapons. Accordingly, the police have completely different rights to use weapons. Not like in Russia, for example. And it is understandable that a person armed with military weapons will least of all understand that another person has a toy or a gun barrel. Your life is more expensive.

[0255]

Quote: Nagan

the sheriff's assistants shot and killed a XNUMX-year-old boy named Andy, armed with ... a plastic gun.

I saw the sheriff's press conference. He showed this toy machine and next to a real AKM. They are indistinguishable not only at the first, but also at the second and third glances, and the sizes are 1 to 1. But the cop did not have time at the second glance. So he was trained in the army: if someone does not obey the order to drop weapons, fire to defeat.
If anyone is to be judged, then the one who gave (sold) to the boy a toy, indistinguishable from a weapon. By law, toys must include clearly visible plastic parts in bright (such as orange, toxic green and other "neon") colors, just for such an occasion.

but this is not a reason to kill a child! This "officer" of the police should be put in a Russian prison with the "thieves"

[Lyapis]

This is all of course sad, but you can understand the police. Despite how many attacks (often real slaughterhouses) are made by psychos with weapons, you will begin not only to shoot at any suspicious person, but also to shy away from any shadow.

[Field]

"Official statistics of the FBI the most dangerous US metropolis recently recognized Chicago, where gangs of Hispanics and blacks roamed. In 2011, 431 people were killed here, and in 2012 - 515 people. At the same time, there were only 419 murders in New York. there are 2,7 million people in Chicago and 8,3 million in New York. "

What prevents the physical elimination of gangs, is it really human rights?
In addition, the "Islamization" of the criminal world is taking place in the United States, there will be even more crap (by the way, we also have)

And how many grave and especially grave are committed in our country by the roaming "gangs of Latin Americans and blacks"? there are no open statistics.

[Rurikovich]

You don’t understand anything! Firstly, America is the most democratic country, the rule of law is there. So any cop at the slightest hint of an encroachment on his life can use weapons (even if he is stupid - but he is POWER), and secondly - America is an EXCLUSIVE country. We have not grown yet before their exclusivity Thirdly, there is so much democracy there that it doesn’t fit inside the country, you have to share it with other peoples, albeit by force Consequently, the rest are not given to them by decree, much less domestically. Be patient, they will shoot themselves soon

[Fedya]

For 50 years. Indos shot each other for one and a half million pieces!

[svskor80]

Vigilant law enforcement officers, driving along the street in a patrol car, noticed an “armed” teenager, stopped the car, got out of it, hid behind the doors and ordered Andy to put weapons on the ground.

It’s hard to understand a guy’s actions, unless he’s a fool. The police pulled up and stopped and ordered to lay down their weapons. The requirement of representatives of the law must be fulfilled, and then explain that the machine is a toy. Police officers can also understand the AK-47 in the hands of a teenager, this is quite dangerous.

[Grbear]

"deleted by the moderator". Comparison of black with heavy. There is something in common, but different things, like democracy and criminality. And the phrase "not mature enough" is a simple hairpin for Western magazines in the style - "I'll sleep it off, but your legs are crooked."

[Andreitas]

And they’re doing it right. A policeman is a representative of the law. He must be obeyed, respected, and feared. Of course, there are cases of their judicious use of weapons, but in a country like the United States, where almost everyone has weapons, it’s impossible in another way. The cops also have families, children. And they, too, want to return alive and healthy after being on duty. And not the shot ones. In our country, the policeman will endure to the last and not use his time card. Until they start shooting at him or poking. Then run through the courts, prove your legitimacy.

[Old_kapitan]

In our country, the policeman will endure to the last and not use his time card. Until they start shooting at him or poking. Then run through the courts, prove your legitimacy.

Well, not everything is so bad ...

According to official data, on Saturday, at 15: 10 local time, the call center on duty at the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs in Khabarovsk received a message that two drunken brawlers were smashing shop windows in a store along Voronezhskaya Street. Law enforcement officers left for the place, but met resistance.

- Private security personnel, having fired warning shots, used a service firearm to defeat, as a result of which the previously convicted attacker of the 1986 of birth received two gunshot wounds to the legs and the citizen of the 1981 of birth, who was also repeatedly convicted of a gunshot wound to the chest area, from which died on the spot, - the official message of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in the Khabarovsk Territory says.

The report also said that five attackers were quickly detained by police, and the use of firearms, according to preliminary data, was recognized as legitimate.

Meanwhile, on the video, posted on the Web, only one warning shot into the air is heard. The footage also shows how two men pounce on a policeman, after which three shots are fired one after the other. Then shouts are heard: "Failed! Got it. You killed him!" After that, another policeman approaches the place where the wounded man is, takes aim and shoots twice, not paying attention to the remarks from the crowd.

Eyewitnesses, judging by the record, concluded that the policeman, who opened fire on an already wounded man, was drunk.

“At present, the police are checking the legality of the use of weapons,” commented LifeNews in the press center of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

[Cynic]

Quote: Old_Kapitan

Eyewitnesses, judging by the record, concluded that the policeman, who opened fire on an already wounded man, was drunk.

Actually, the video in the NTV state of emergency is here http://www.ntv.ru/video/662900/.
Yes, even

Quote: Old_Kapitan

only one warning shot in the air is heard.

Well said capaciously.

But in general, eyewitnesses staged a "reality show" for themselves, had fun in full!

[Setrac]

Quote: Andreitas

Then run through the courts, prove your legitimacy.

To do this, it was necessary to shoot seven times to kill? And everything is deadly. And tomorrow, the father of the child will come and shoot the whole family of the cop, so it will probably be safer? I would do so.

[Sanamana]

Look at our cops! Even ashamed of them becomes. How many videos on the network go, as drunk dives are asked to get out of the steering wheel. They walk around the car and convince documents to show. Poor guys do not have the right to use a service weapon as intended. then dragged through the courts.

[nerd.su]

Quote: Sanamana

as drunken ducks are asked to get out of the wheel. They walk around the car and convince documents to show. Poor things rights do not have time weapons

If the drunk doesn’t get out of the wheel, do you need to naughty at him from the service weapon? Maybe it doesn’t become like an American cattle, but will it be more humane to pull it out of the car and give the stars like a humane?

[Revolver]

Quote: bot.su

If the drunk doesn’t get out of the wheel, do you need to naughty at him from the service weapon? Maybe it doesn’t become like an American cattle, but will it be more humane to pull it out of the car and give the stars like a humane?

In America, just the opposite, if they stop, then turn off the engine and sit with your hands on the steering wheel. Once I wanted to get out of the car, because the wallet with the license was in my back pocket, I couldn't get it while sitting, so the cop immediately yelled: "Get back in!" Only after I explained did he allow me to slowly climb out and get the documents, while keeping his hand on the holster. As he explained, there is a danger that they get out to fight or even shoot, and the one sitting in the car is not so dangerous.

[Landwarrior]

Revolver, can you tell me, at one time I was told that in America a police officer has some kind of "safety radius" and a person who enters this space without permission can immediately get a bullet.
This is true?
PS: He just once had a long conversation with a policeman from Duluth, he said something like that, but I'm not sure I understood him correctly, it was not very good with English at that time

[Revolver]

Quote: Landwarrior

In America, a policeman has some kind of "safety radius" and a person who enters this space without permission can immediately get a bullet.

This is the first time I've heard of this. For non-observance of the order of a policeman type "stop", "drop what you are holding," you can shoot a taser discharge, or even a bullet. Not everyone has tasers, because not all states are allowed. And even in those where they are allowed, the decision to arm cops with tasers is made at the level of the city police department or the county Sheriff.

[Landwarrior]

Quote: Nagan

The first time I hear about this.

Well, clearly, that means I just misunderstood him.
Thank you!

[Landwarrior]

Revolver, can you tell me, at one time I was told that in America a police officer has some kind of "safety radius" and a person who enters this space without permission can immediately get a bullet.
This is true?
PS: He just once had a long conversation with a policeman from Duluth, he said something like that, but I'm not sure I understood him correctly, it was not very good with English at that time

[nerd.su]

Quote: Nagan

In America, just the opposite, if they lock, then turn off the engine and sit, hands on the steering wheel.

That is, it must be understood so that if you are drunk in the trash, then sit with your hands on the steering wheel, documents will be checked and you can move on?

[Revolver]

Quote: bot.su

Quote: Nagan

In America, just the opposite, if they lock, then turn off the engine and sit, hands on the steering wheel.

That is, it must be understood so that if you are drunk in the trash, then sit with your hands on the steering wheel, documents will be checked and you can move on?

If you have fun, then it works out well for you, like a real priprik. With which I do not congratulate you.
But if seriously, if they suspect that they were bugging or doused, then they will put the analyzer in the snout for breathing, and they will order to get out of the car, but it is necessary to drag it out by the collar and bracelets.

[nerd.su]

Yes, you have problems with the logic! However, with the American flag and a revolver on the avatar, nothing else should be expected.

[Cynic]

Quote: bot.su

Yes, you have problems with the logic!

Slowly troll?

[nerd.su]

Quote: Cynic

Slowly troll?

Why slowly? Quite aloud to myself.

[Cynic]

Quote: bot.su

Why slowly? Quite aloud to myself.

I think not everyone understands this, it would be nice to indicate in brackets, such as _ Attention_trolling, Attention_ a joke of humor.

[_Krechet_]

If drunk, he still gets behind the wheel or doesn’t get out, the car needs to be seized and sold at auction of confiscated goods (a positive example of Belarus)

[aszzz888]

With so many weapons per unit of population, with such laws - why be surprised. They brought down the people and will bring down.

[Stiletto]

But we have another extreme: rhinos are allowed to shoot at least from RMB in the center of Moscow, and the maximum that they will pay for it is a fine of 100 rubles ... let's say for tinting.

[queen]

Quote: Stiletto

Osoros are allowed to shoot at least from RMB in the center of Moscow,

So there is no threat from the authorities from them (it feeds them). And we need to be intimidated. Draw conclusions.

[Kushadasov]

Look at our cops! Even ashamed of them becomes.

Yes, not for them should be ashamed, but for these fucking so-called. legislators. It was they who created such laws that do not apply, that they drove the police into the framework of disenfranchised law enforcers, that they liberalized the legislation to please the geyropey standards.

[Forest]

I recall a recent case when a policeman performing his duty was punctured in the head, and he asked in surprise "what are you doing?" . And when other policemen stood and looked at it with a smile.
I don’t know which is worse, probably policemen "terpily-komersanty".

[Forest]

I recall a recent case when a policeman performing his duty was punctured in the head, and he asked in surprise "what are you doing?" . And when other policemen stood and looked at it with a smile.
I don’t know which is worse, probably policemen "terpily-komersanty".

[Muadipus]

The official statistics of the FBI as the most dangerous metropolis of the United States recently recognized Chicago, where gangs of Latin Americans and blacks roamed. In 2011, 431 people were killed here, and in 2012, 515 people were killed. At the same time, the entire 419 killings occurred in New York. At the same time 2,7 million people live in Chicago, and 8,3 million live in New York.

Sorry for the cynicism. But not enough! Few comrades! At this pace, we will not defeat the evil empire. Democracy in action is when for one child killed - 10 security forces to shoot and only then can in 15 years the United States themselves will win.

[FunkschNNX]

So the cops have their own children, who do not want to be left orphans because of some kind of hollowing with a gun. Instead of cops, we have someone to do mess, unemployed Gaster, guests from the south, etc.

[Yarik]

Ah ha ha, what are the faces inspired in the last photo.

[avt]

Well, let's start with the fact that in general they are different in life. And given that they are well armed and there are certain rules of conduct in front of the police, which the population knows very well, then there is nothing to bullshit in front of people in uniform, they are legally given the right to use weapons. Now about the “kids”, black teenagers now have a new “game” there - to knock down a passer-by, preferably a white one, and now one such “child”, a minor, ran into a bullet from a man at a bus stop, and before that he already had 6 knockouts on the counter, he told himself in the hospital. Well, what is the reaction of the progressive public !? You can, as in the USSR, lock up and patrol even without sticks-democratizers, so I found such times.

[Backfire]

As for teenagers, so they are the most dangerous.
12-15 years old, even the cops call them "wolf packs"

Here is the video, you can see what awaits the policeman if he hesitates.
Then delay led to the death of a policeman:

And about the fact that only a hand in your pocket and you immediately have a hole in the head is rubbish
It all depends on the situation. If you were stopped at the wheel, you have to sit in the car with your hands on the wheel, and not get out like you have (at least I don’t know how now)

[Anatoli_kz]

Sorry for the policeman, but what kind of delay can there be?
Here the policeman is more likely to have hysteria and fear of an unarmed person.
Having made so many shots, I never hit the criminal.

This is your adequate example of the fact that the police need to immediately shoot to kill?
Just the same, you could shoot in the air above your head and then everything would become clear - to shoot to kill or he would stupidly kneel and raise his hands up.

[HaByxoDaBHocep]

one thing I can say, I’ve been working in the Police for 18 years, I wouldn’t shoot a child until he started, and there he’ll fall asleep

[hohryakov066]

I did not quite understand the very mood of the article. It was sustained in a cynical and mocking spirit. And the whole point of it is that the American police have the right to defend themselves and the law, but ours does not! It is quite normal when the state provides protection for its security structures. I remember in the year 1992-1993 I came to Yekaterinburg for some kind of exhibition like "methods of protection for policemen" from the United States. All armors, shields, armor, etc. were located in the museum of the GUVD. All this was accompanied by the Amerovsky sergeant. And we, as I remember at that time, had the most fun period in life - everyone already had rights, but everyone had already forgotten their responsibilities. And suddenly this sergeant sees a marvelous picture - a major flies into the GUVD, with his shoulder strap and tie torn off, looks around wildly and yells that a drunk has attacked him around the corner. I tried to explain our reality to this sergeant for two hours, but he just kept repeating: "Why didn't the officer kill them? They attacked the policeman!" They have been hammered into their heads since childhood - even the shadow of an attempt to attack a cop leads to a box. Unfortunately, this is not the case with us. And there is no need to argue that our "corrupt" cops cannot be given such rights. In America, the police also serve exactly the same. Our valiant state itself made the police-police what it is.

[-Dmitry-]

Unfortunately, this is not the case with us. And there is no need to argue that our "corrupt" cops cannot be given such rights. In America, the police also serve exactly the same. Our valiant state itself made the police-police what it is.

Recently, on RenTV (I understand the source is so-so), they showed a program about the American police, including showing videos. Well, they really mess, detained snowstorms, they shoot just like that, because something seemed to them there. So that our police do not need such rights. It’s not easy for us to cope with the police, and if they are allowed to shoot to kill simply because of suspicion, then it will be gloom.

[Averias]

For reference: The largest organized criminal group in the United States, has 80 thousand people, then there is an organized criminal group of 60 thousand people, an organized criminal group of 35 thousand people, and so on!?!?! And the cops know about it (since there are statistics) and do nothing. But the leaders of these organized criminal groups send their "recruits" to the army (to learn about military affairs). They are recruiting gang members from primary school. When there is a showdown between gangs, the cops come to the analysis of the corpses only. Whole neighborhoods and districts live under the rule of gangs, while saying that it's calmer. You pay on time, you have support and protection. In areas ruled by gangs, relative "peace" and "order" reigns. The cops don't go there.

And these are not rumors from Google and the Internet in general. These are the words of a person who lives in the USA.

[zvereok]

Quote: Averias

And these are not rumors from Google and the Internet in general. These are the words of a person who lives in the USA.

This is an article that I, including read a year or two ago.

[wanderer_032]

Apparently, the situation in the United States is extremely tense, since the Amerov cops make such gross mistakes, unfortunately with victims among the law-abiding population.
Apparently the strong pressure of their superiors at the briefings before taking up duty in the light of the events with the mass executions of citizens on the streets and in general places is evident. There are plenty of such stories in the States. Here and then the nerves of ordinary law enforcement officers cannot stand it. The states are also not up to the mark. The professionalism of people in such positions should primarily be expressed in the ability to quickly assess and pump out the situation and situation in your mind, to see who is in front of you and what you can expect from him, and not to shoot like in a cowboy showdown. in any country in the world. This is, so to speak, the main criterion for professional suitability for service in the police.
On the other hand, in the photo where the toy machine is shown, on its muzzle it is not visible the bright red cap that should be there according to the laws of the United States, so that any cop could distinguish toy weapons from military ones from afar, which is also a gross blunder on the part of the boy. For which he paid with his life. In my story, both parties are guilty. Some failed to correctly assess the situation. And the little one did not put a fucking cap on the trunk and this was the last mistake in his life.

[wanderer_032]

Apparently, the situation in the United States is extremely tense, since the Amerov cops make such gross mistakes, unfortunately with victims among the law-abiding population.
Apparently the strong pressure of their superiors at the briefings before taking up duty in the light of the events with the mass executions of citizens on the streets and in general places is evident. There are plenty of such stories in the States. Here and then the nerves of ordinary law enforcement officers cannot stand it. The states are also not up to the mark. The professionalism of people in such positions should primarily be expressed in the ability to quickly assess and pump out the situation and situation in your mind, to see who is in front of you and what you can expect from him, and not to shoot like in a cowboy showdown. in any country in the world. This is, so to speak, the main criterion for professional suitability for service in the police.
On the other hand, in the photo where the toy machine is shown, on its muzzle it is not visible the bright red cap that should be there according to the laws of the United States, so that any cop could distinguish toy weapons from military ones from afar, which is also a gross blunder on the part of the boy. For which he paid with his life. In my story, both parties are guilty. Some failed to correctly assess the situation. And the little one did not put a fucking cap on the trunk and this was the last mistake in his life.

[old rats]

a question to the "revolver" and other comrades from the states, whether there are statistics on the deaths of police officers in the states, and if so, please provide. It's probably easier for you to find it.

[FormerMariman]

A 26-year-old citizen of Kazakhstan, Kirill Denyakin, who was in Portsmouth under the Work and Travel program and worked as a cook at the hotel, was shot dead on April 23, 2011 by a policeman who mistook him for a robber.
More details: http://www.rosbalt.ru/exussr/2013/08/12/1163215.html
And someone else wants to distribute small arms to volunteer militias in Russia, I recall the article "Is it necessary to be afraid of a man with a gun." In the US, these rangers also fire from left to right!

[FormerMariman]

A 26-year-old citizen of Kazakhstan, Kirill Denyakin, who was in Portsmouth under the Work and Travel program and worked as a cook at the hotel, was shot dead on April 23, 2011 by a policeman who mistook him for a robber.
More details: http://www.rosbalt.ru/exussr/2013/08/12/1163215.html
And someone else wants to distribute small arms to volunteer militias in Russia, I recall the article "Is it necessary to be afraid of a man with a gun." In the US, these rangers also fire from left to right!

[cth; fyn]

I think this is from cowardice, their police cowards and prefer to shoot first, and then already think threatened or not, ours are human, they can persuade for hours, but just look at the "road wars" to understand that in Russia the most courageous, polite, and patient police officers.

[The gentleman]

good afternoon. with all due respect to the dead, he revealed several points for himself.
1.13-year-olds have not played war for a long time. and even more so in America, which means that there is intimidation or for other interests.
2.psychological state of the police. If they are not negotiating with the suspect, then there is no desire, stupid cleansing of crime and quick resolution of the situation ... by any means.
3.possible police insecurity in criminal areas.
4. free sale of weapons, as well as toys, no different from weapons.
5. Lack of control.
anyway double-edged sword

[pogis]

Quote: svskor80

Vigilant law enforcement officers, driving along the street in a patrol car, noticed an “armed” teenager, stopped the car, got out of it, hid behind the doors and ordered Andy to put weapons on the ground.

It’s hard to understand a guy’s actions, unless he’s a fool. The police pulled up and stopped and ordered to lay down their weapons. The requirement of representatives of the law must be fulfilled, and then explain that the machine is a toy. Police officers can also understand the AK-47 in the hands of a teenager, this is quite dangerous.

Interestingly, did Andy understand English?

[pogis]

Quote: cth; fyn

I think this is from cowardice, their police cowards and prefer to shoot first, and then already think threatened or not, ours are human, they can persuade for hours, but just look at the "road wars" to understand that in Russia the most courageous, polite, and patient police officers.

In some states, it is forbidden to chase a car and shoot until the suspect’s first shot.

[pogis]

Quote: cth; fyn

I think this is from cowardice, their police cowards and prefer to shoot first, and then already think threatened or not, ours are human, they can persuade for hours, but just look at the "road wars" to understand that in Russia the most courageous, polite, and patient police officers.

In some states, it is forbidden to chase a car and shoot until the suspect’s first shot.

[mithridate]

with our standards, these cases should not be approached. They have a different mentality. Although they shout about democracy and all these things, they themselves still practice the death penalty

[Uzer 13.]

In Russia there is a certain circle of entities that aim at all means to prevent the arming of citizens with short-barreled self-defense weapons, and they have support in the highest government circles. They do not disdain by any means to form a negative attitude among the unprepared citizens on the owners of weapons. A favorite way is to manipulate facts a subsequent demonstration of misinformation in the media. They themselves have weapons and in such ways they want to maintain their advantage over the unprivileged citizens (which we are all). From this article a little smacks of gesture, it is also from the same cycle.

[Snoop]

The use of weapons by the police is different for us and the USA. They have a good reason for using a firearm is that the policeman felt a threat to himself or others. In short, it is enough to tell him during interrogation that he felt the danger of his life from a cripple with a wand ... there is no corpus delicti. We must have a real threat to the employee or people around us. In addition, I read comments here, many people confuse the order to kill the fire does not mean the order to kill, it is an order to neutralize the offender, fire on the limbs, etc. Actually, the task of the policeman is not to kill, but to neutralize and detain. So the fire training should be appropriate.

[Snoop]

The use of weapons by the police is different for us and the USA. They have a good reason for using a firearm is that the policeman felt a threat to himself or others. In short, it is enough to tell him during interrogation that he felt the danger of his life from a cripple with a wand ... there is no corpus delicti. We must have a real threat to the employee or people around us. In addition, I read comments here, many people confuse the order to kill the fire does not mean the order to kill, it is an order to neutralize the offender, fire on the limbs, etc. Actually, the task of the policeman is not to kill, but to neutralize and detain. So the fire training should be appropriate.

[Ilya Mikhalych]

If I ever go to America, I won’t go outside without a bronzer and a gunshot.

[Jager]

Only one fact is interesting - to what chaos in the possession of weapons the United States has reached, if the sheriffs hardened by the army are afraid of a 13-year-old boy with a platmass assault rifle. If the cops were afraid, then there was a reason. And they were scared to shit, if they didn’t make shots in the air and immediately put in a burst. This means that it is not the first time that children have met with military weapons. In order to buy a gun for hunting with us, you need to collect a bunch of papers and spend time. They have only desire. I wanted to buy a "Kalash" - please!

[Setrac]

Quote: Jager

Only one fact is interesting - to what lawlessness with regard to gun ownership the United States has come if the army-hardened sheriffs are afraid of a 13-year-old boy with a plastic gun.

The US Army does not temper.

[7ydmco]

With us, even if it was a real AKM, they wouldn’t shoot. But they live in different realities, and the police seem to be very different.

[maxon106]

Quote: revnagan

Quote: Asgard

We have freely sold large-scale models in Russia (see PHOTO)), many are lying in the back seat of a car, if the traffic cop sees, then he will ask, Model ??? Yes, you say, that’s all, gives the documents and you move on when the anti-terror actions are carried out, then you pick it up, turn it around, but not one grabbed your military weapon ...... there is no threat ...... from the person )))))

So you are not doing the right thing ... You need to immediately grab the model, pull the bolt and direct it at the policemen. Try to take them "on the fly", let's see if they understand the model or not ...

you have to be a complete moron to do so

[Amfitsion]

There is no need to guess, let alone judge "what and how" ...
Here, by the way, is a direct opportunity to question the Russian cop from New York with eight years of experience.

http://sprosi.d3.ru/comments/467665/

By the way, in spite of the event. Russia, Khabarovsk, November 30th. Opinions, ratings?

http://rostislavddd.livejournal.com/103070.html

[EdwardTich68]

They shoot correctly, if I were a policeman I wouldn’t give anyone a descent either, the order is above all.

[antibanukurayza]

All this is due to the fact that many police officers who used weapons to kill the unarmed remain unpunished. An example of this is the acquittal of a police officer who killed a citizen of the Republic of Kazakhstan, a student who worked part-time in a restaurant. He arrived late at his home and began to knock on the door. The neighbors called the police, and they came and shot. The bullet seemed to hit the head. The policeman's excuse was that the student "made a threatening motion with his hand" (!)
Personally, when we were given a service weapon, we were forced to retell Article 12-14 of the Law of the Republic of Kazakhstan, which regulates the procedure for using weapons. If you don't know the order, you don't have a "substitute card". Several times there were situations when the guys found themselves in trouble with the use of weapons, but they never fired to kill - only warning shots and overhead shots, which cooled the hotheads. The only case is that a security officer used a weapon against a teenager when he opened the container. It was night when a thief, taken by surprise, rushed at an employee with a metal cutting pliers. The officer fired a shot in the air, the teenager did not calm down and when he raised his hand with pincers to strike, the guard gave a second shot to the arm. The bullet hit the rib of the palm and exited the palm. The use of weapons was recognized as legitimate despite the fact that the teenager (height 180 cm) claimed that the guard shot him right away. Factors played: night time, limited visibility, physical data of a teenager, being caught red-handed at the crime scene and the presence of a traumatic object in his hand.

[pasha]

I mean here from Argentina, with greetings. we look at the law, further in Spanish - ley 34 del codico penal ..... no es punible ..... aunque después resulte que el atacante utilizo un arma de juguete, o que funcionaba .... like in a nutshell people pulled out a toy gun you have the right to die and you will not be anything. in Argentina banned toys are a little bit like real ones, but there is always room for a feat, the Chinese still sell. so remembering that once in 3-4 years there is news that, like, some kind of person when trying to rob a dead man with a toy pestle, and he was given a cop by a swollen civilian.