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EuroPRO against thirty threats

It would seem that the issue of missile defense, which NATO is now intensively engaged in in Romania, in connection with the agreement on the Iranian nuclear issue should be removed from the agenda. Russian Foreign Minister Comrade Lavrov said that the United States and NATO will have to abandon their Eastern European plans if the Iran complies with the terms of the agreement to limit the nuclear program. The statement is logical: after all, the NATO members claimed that the missile defense shield has nothing to do with the Russians, but against the threat from Tehran. But now, when the West itself, in the person of the intermediary countries, agreed in Geneva with Tehran, the Americans hurried to find new geopolitical enemies. As it turned out, there are three dozen of such enemies. True, they could not name these "real" opponents in NATO.

At the media forum in Rome, Lavrov said the following: "If an agreement on Iran is implemented, the reason that is called as the need to create a missile defense system in Europe will disappear."

An article by Max Fisher on the Russian foreign policy on European missile defense immediately appeared in the Washington Post. The article entitled “Russia is already using negotiations on the Iranian nuclear program for its own purposes” (the source of the translation is "InoSMI"), journalist Max Fisher writes:

“No one is looking for opportunities to benefit from the situation, as Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov does. He did not wait even two days after the signing of an agreement with the United States, Europe and China on the issue of Iran’s nuclear weaponsby trying to find out if he can extract something for his country from this deal. On Monday, Lavrov said that if Iran followed the terms of the agreement to limit its nuclear program, the United States and NATO would have to abandon their plan to install an anti-missile shield in Eastern Europe. ”

Minister Fisher gave a rather high rating to the statement. At the same time, he highly appreciated the work of Comrade Lavrov as head of the Russian Foreign Ministry.

The current ambiguity in the issue of missile defense is exactly what turns S. Lavrov's statement into a geopolitical "catch minnow" at a high level, according to an American journalist. And this makes Lavrov the ideal of the Russian foreign minister.

The correspondent also reminded readers that Lavrov and Putin benefited from the international crisis associated with the use of chemical weapons in Syria, advancing an agreement to destroy these weapons in exchange for the abolition of American air strikes. The case of E. Snowden became the crown of the laurel "catching minnow".

If a politician skillfully uses circumstances, we add from himself, he is not a weather vane in the wind, he is the wind itself. If a politician, by his own short-sightedness and at the instigation of numerous advisers, finds himself in a situation when circumstances begin to use him (as happened with Obama), then he is a weather vane. Both Syria and Snowden are excellent examples of this. Let's hope that they are not the last.

And with this geopolitical solitaire, an American analyst, whether he wants it or not, is forced to admit Russia's success in the international arena.

Presenter of the program “Postscript”, Chairman of the Committee on International Affairs of the State Duma Alexei Pushkov in his microblogging on Twitter on 25 in November expressed consonant with Lavrov: “At NATO, the need for missile defense in Europe was explained by the so-called "Iranian threat". If the Iranian problem is resolved, the missile defense will have nothing to explain. ”

At the same time, it became known that the West is not going to turn off Euro-PRO. Iran turned out to be peaceful? Comrade Lavrov spoke and reminded whom the antimissiles will be directed against? Do not worry, we find other enemies.

And found.

Reaching an agreement on the Iranian nuclear program may lead Washington to look for a new “enemy image” to justify, in particular, in the eyes of taxpayers, the implementation of military programs. About it RIA News" said the chairman of the Federation Council Committee on Defense and Security Viktor Ozerov.

"Perhaps the United States will now begin to look for another state that could theoretically threaten the United States and NATO - for example, Syria," - said the senator. He added: “So simply they will not give up the idea of ​​a missile defense system. Although now Washington will have to explain to its taxpayers why their funds are spent on a missile defense system in Europe. ”

The head of the upper house committee believes that there are economic arguments for deploying EuroMD: "... I expect other arguments, such as the US economic lobby, to be stronger than common sense."

Without any doubt, let us add, defense companies in the USA are able to defend their interests.

The NATO members did not find “another state”, but as many as thirty such states that “really” threaten peace and security.

November 25 in the media there were reports of a strange response to NATO Lavrov.

“NATO’s missile defense system is not designed to protect against any particular country. We are talking about protection from a real and growing threat, but against a real threat, we need real defense. ”- said Alliance staff in Brussels. He explained: “We know that more than 30 countries have or are acquiring ballistic missile technology, which can ultimately be used as carriers of not only conventional warheads, but also weapons of mass destruction.” And he concluded: there are no grounds for revising the agreements on missile defense.

Amazingly, the Western media again threw an anonymous statement into the media space. The unnamed source is an extremely convenient way to feed material. Any material, we emphasize. First, no responsibility. Secondly, full scope and complete freedom for propaganda. Thirdly, these dark sources are always popular with pro-government Western media, which immediately take them away for quotations or reprints. Newspapers, magazines, television, radio, the Internet, then “experts” and “analysts” are connected, as well as the close ranks of other anonymous authors, already with reference to “government circles”, “high-ranking employees” and some “knowledgeable” people - and As a result, it is very difficult for a simple man in the street, that is, someone who can often vote for politicians and pay taxes, to get to the truth. Actually, he will not dig out. As the character of one film said: “We in the West have become accustomed to trusting the press.”

"Cold War" has not been canceled. “Reboot” is political nonsense. And the United States did not abandon the role of world gendarme. The economic crisis is nothing more than a nuisance. Moreover, the orders of the military industrial complex in the USA and Western Europe are one of the known ways to overcome this crisis. Therefore, the construction of EuroPRO in Eastern Europe will continue.

As for the thirty enemy countries (or rather, more than thirty) and the "real threat", which anonymous said, the source has withdrawn itself from the details.

This is understandable. He is anonymous. His business start, and then picked up by others. It is not surprising, therefore, that someone Mr. X is in charge of our foreign minister. A friend of journalists rubbing their hands in anticipation of a new sensation in the spirit of the "cold war." More than thirty opponents! Well this is what a rich material can be bungled! Only now they would think: if they used to say that the European missile defense system is not directed against Russia, now Moscow is clearly among the "thirty" NATO enemies. Of course, the West will have to somehow recognize this - if not today, then six months later, when Iran fulfills the conditions of the Geneva agreement. And he will perform. This is obvious in the same way as the fact that Israel alone will not risk bombing Iran. And the Saudis do not go there either. So far, the main question is Syria ...

As for the NATO anonymous author, it is difficult to call this move unsuccessful. Sergey Lavrov or his deputies are inconvenient to condescend to the level of an unnamed applicant. But silence is embarrassing. The latter means swallowing the bitter pill. And, while our Foreign Ministry is considering how to be, the United States and NATO are urgently considering the next step, namely, they are compiling a list of three dozen “real” enemies.

By the way, Americans do not necessarily remove Iran from this list. No matter how much Russian analysts and observers scoff at the anonymous letter from NATO, but before Iran fulfills the terms of the agreement in Geneva, it takes another six months. And the West will always find something to complain about.

However, one thing is clear with NATO: if you believe the anonymous author, then the construction of a missile defense system in Eastern Europe to Tehran’s nuclear program, which the West and Israel considered military, did not really have a relationship. If, however, anonymous statements are a simple injection on trial, then it becomes clear: NATO is testing the ground for further tactics in the media space. Russians didn't like the idea of ​​30 enemies? Well, we will think about it, but for now let us return to Iran.

And they are back.

The fact that the agreement of the "six" with Iran to suspend the Iranian nuclear program did not change the US plans to deploy missile defense in Europe, said RIA News" 26 November, Laura Lukas Magnuson, representative of the US National Security Council at the White House.

“Although the G-6 and Iran have reached an initial agreement on the Iranian nuclear program, a lot of work remains to be done, and we are negotiating a full-scale solution over the next six months. Our views on the importance of missile defense in Europe and our commitment to a European phased adaptive approach to the development and deployment of missile defense systems remain unchanged, ”she said.

That's all; “There is still a lot of work to be done.”

In fact, the media - both Western and Russian - in many respects are speculating on the topic of European missile defense. Nobody expected any changes in the deployment of the system in Eastern Europe. Even Lavrov. He simply could not keep silent: the case was very convenient.

Back in early November, US Secretary of State John Kerry, while on a visit to Europe, said that the deployment of a missile defense system would probably not depend on improving relations with Iran. His words reminded the newspaper Tehran Times. John Kerry said that “nothing has changed” in this respect and that he does not foresee any changes. Following in NATO confirmed that the missile defense is "a deterrent against any threats to Europe, and not just those that come from any one country."

Another thing is that the United States and NATO, broadcasting at one time about European missile defense and the Iranian threat, snagged just like Obama snared a Syrian “red line” (everyone remembers the “serial” with chemical weapons and speeches about this by the US President). Any designated “feature”, any particular named “enemy” is unambiguously interpreted by the world community. Subsequently, Obama claimed that journalists misunderstood him and that he did not speak about any red lines. Now Washington and NATO will have to assure the international community that we are talking about some kind of total defense against all enemies at once, and that journalists also misunderstood about Iran. Iran was simply one of the "real" enemies, and besides it there are thirty more.

Probably, soon we will hear statements about this.

November 27 Alliance confirmed that the ministerial meeting of the Russia-NATO Council will be held December 4. About it RIA News" said an unnamed representative of the alliance.

“I confirm that December 4 will host a meeting of the Russia-NATO Council at the ministerial level. We look forward to the presence of Minister Lavrov and Secretary of State Kerry, but this information needs to be confirmed in diplomatic missions, ”he said.

Lavrov will not be Lavrov, if he does not ask at the meeting a question about Euro missile defense ...

Observed and translated by Oleg Chuvakin
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 29 November 2013 06: 58
    Yes, a no brainer that while there is RUSSIA WEST it will come up with a bunch of excuses for moving its military to the borders of RUSSIA.
    The future DRANG NAH OSTEN ON RUSSIA has not been canceled, everything is going according to plan.
    1. Canep
      Canep 29 November 2013 07: 32
      As for the thirty enemy countries (or rather, more than thirty) and the "real threat", which anonymous said, the source has withdrawn itself from the details.
      "... read out the entire list please ...".
      Foolishness! There are no these 13 countries, there is a desire to create the appearance that the government and the army can protect the West from a retaliatory strike by the Russians, and begin to talk with Russia from a position of strength, and get support from voters who probably are rubbing (or will rub) about the impermeability of the missile defense umbrella . Yes, and grandmas can be sawed off quite good, the effectiveness of missile defense in repelling a massive attack is impossible to verify, so it’s enough to bring down one missile, and the dlgs are allocated for a whole range of missile defense forces and equipment.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 29 November 2013 12: 37
        Quote: Canep
        the effectiveness of missile defense in repelling a massive attack cannot be verified

        There will simply be no one to check. And the calculation is very simple. Concepts are pulled onto the stage:
        - BSU - a quick global hit. The bottom line: in 2-4 hours, destroy 10-30% of the objects critically important for the defense of the Russian Federation (target country) - Centers of the military-political administration, strategic nuclear forces, etc. Means - high-precision conventional PSUs and ultra-low-power nuclear warheads, carriers - SSBNs, SAK, SO aircraft;
        - Moscow State University - instant global strike. The bottom line: in 1 hour (!), Destroy up to 50% of strategic goals critical for state defense. Task: by 2030-2035gg to create aerospace systems (essentially orbital carriers!) With high-precision weapons on board, capable of breaking through missile defense countries at 8-21 thousand km / h speeds, hitting designated targets with low-power nuclear warheads.
        Such target countries today (and in the near future) can only be the Russian Federation and China.
        А EuroPro the Yankees need to destroy the remaining ICBMs in the accelerating section of the trajectory, because the task of combating the SLBMs of our rcSNs is entrusted to the naval missile defense based on Aegis. And ICBMs flying across the pole will have to meet the upgraded NORAD system and continental anti-missile batteries. There are plans to deploy a space defense group. But they try not to talk about it, because this violates the Treaty banning the placement of weapons in near-Earth outer space. But if things go on at such a pace, then soon we will witness the militarization of space. (Then the hope is only on aliens! And the universal mind, because the Yankees clearly lack their own) IMHO.
    2. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 29 November 2013 09: 10
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Yes, the hedgehog is clear that while there is RUSSIA

      Why do you say bye? If Russia miraculously moves to say Mars, THESE - the tribes will be resettled from Africa, called them Russians and will be surrounded by bases, missile defense, etc.
      1. shuhartred
        shuhartred 29 November 2013 10: 06
        I just wanted to ask, what will happen if all of Russia moves to Mars so as not to annoy the world community? Well, you answered. Thank. Will there be more versions?
      2. Same lech
        Same lech 29 November 2013 10: 43
        Notice the idea of ​​MARS not I suggested hi
        1. shuhartred
          shuhartred 29 November 2013 12: 08
          Well, the idea is not bad. There is no oil on Mars, which means that no one will carry democracy there! good
    3. Letun
      Letun 29 November 2013 10: 25
      That is why it is necessary, in addition to diplomatic verbiage, to develop our own missile defense system. If there is no technology - to steal, in this matter pride and decency are not needed.
      1. Constantine
        Constantine 29 November 2013 11: 07
        American missile defense, as practice shows, works very crookedly. The recent jamb from the ship's IJIS, which missed the rocket directly into the corus of the ship, is proof of this.

        What does own missile defense system mean? There is a S-400, which in combination with other systems is capable of successfully intercepting warheads and missiles. What more do you need? wassat
        1. Letun
          Letun 29 November 2013 14: 43
          Quote: Constantine
          What does own missile defense system mean? There is a S-400, which in combination with other systems is capable of successfully intercepting warheads and missiles. What more do you need?

          Well, if everything is so chocolate, then apparently NATO should protest against our "not crookedly working" missile defense system? The fact that the United States has problems in this matter is understandable, but you know what they say here (yes, I think not only here) in production? "Marriage does not drive away the one who does nothing." This is roughly from the same opera.
        2. Onyx
          Onyx 29 November 2013 20: 46
          Quote: Constantine
          There is a S-400, which in combination with other systems is capable of successfully intercepting warheads and missiles.

          The S-400 is not capable of intercepting ICBM warheads. But it can intercept medium-range ballistic missiles. Against ICBMs is the S-500
      2. Onyx
        Onyx 29 November 2013 20: 41
        Quote: Letun
        That is why it is necessary, in addition to diplomatic verbiage, to develop our own missile defense system

        Defense Department: S-500 anti-aircraft missile system will be a response to US missile defense
        The deputy commander of the aerospace defense troops, Kirill Makarov, said that the new C-500 anti-aircraft missile system would be a response to the approach of the American missile defense system to the borders of Russia.
        “We will be able to organize missile defense of not only Moscow and the Central Industrial Region, but also other facilities in Russia. This is our response to the US missile defense, ”Interfax quoted Makarov as saying.
        The army expects that the system will pass all the tests in a short time.
        “We hope that within two years the system will be put into service and, in accordance with GPV-2020 (Russian State Arms Development Program - RT), we expect the entry of up to ten anti-aircraft missile systems armed with the S-500 system” - emphasized Makarov.
        He also pointed out that one of the main differences between the S-500 system and the S-400 system was its ability to combat not only aerodynamic targets and medium-range ballistic targets, but also intercontinental ballistic missiles.
        Recall that on the eve of the general designer of the Almaz-Antey concern, Pavel Sozinov reported to Russian President Vladimir Putin that in 2014-2015 he will conduct all types of tests of the new complex. This happened during a meeting on the development of the aerospace defense system, ITAR-TASS.
        Sozinov stressed that preparatory work is already underway to ensure serial production of the S-500, since the equipment is very complex and requires the use of fundamentally new technologies.
    4. Constantine
      Constantine 29 November 2013 11: 09
      And as for me, today this story is like another beating of American diplomacy with pissed rags by Russian diplomacy. It reminds me of the most severe matrix gap. tearing her hard once, she began to crack at the seams in all directions. wassat Which, in fact, can not but rejoice)
    5. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka 29 November 2013 12: 23
      Quote: The same Lech
      Yes, a no brainer that while there is RUSSIA WEST it will come up with a bunch of excuses for moving its military to the borders of RUSSIA.
      The future DRANG NAH OSTEN ON RUSSIA has not been canceled, everything is going according to plan.

      What "Drang nach Osten". Look what grouping of troops was in Europe in the 90s, and what is left now. What are you talking about. Does Kam want it? What they want, they will buy it anyway. Moreover, the financial system was created and controlled by them.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 29 November 2013 13: 49
        Well, I don’t need to talk about it.
        Where are the borders of NATO now?
        Finances, too, have nothing to do with it - the people of RUSSIA don't need the WEST. They need a territory without Russians.
    6. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 29 November 2013 16: 17
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Yes, a no brainer that while there is RUSSIA WEST it will come up with a bunch of excuses for moving its military to the borders of RUSSIA.
      The future DRANG NAH OSTEN ON RUSSIA has not been canceled, everything is going according to plan.

      Therefore, one should not sit idly by. And Lavrov is not sitting. So far, Russia is gaining time and resources only by diplomatic methods. We need to work more actively in the information space and bring simple truths to Western society, such as they are being led to slaughter. Their money is spent on unnecessary and ineffective systems, etc. Russia today is an excellent example of such work, the channel has become more popular than many "pillars of Western media". It seems to me that the Western elites are in some kind of prostration and do not have time to respond to the rapidly changing world, control over their own population is slipping out of their hands. It is only necessary to work more actively at the diplomatic level and the very structure of NATO may become irrelevant to today's agenda.
      Article plus, Lavrov and Churkin are truly pleased.
    7. AVV
      AVV 29 November 2013 23: 08
      Russia for the West, like a red rag for a bull, with its open spaces, with its wealth, not only material, territorial but also intellectual and human, including !!! And while Russia has all this, then attempts to take, dismember, snatch, they won’t stop !!! Look at what these engines of democracy have done to Yugoslavia Iraq or Libya around the world !!! They will move it around the world until they themselves become victims of their own tolerance, and colorful revolutions in their own countries! And we will see how it all ends for them !!! We wish the West success, but we don’t need gentlemen to move your democracy !!!
  2. makarov
    makarov 29 November 2013 06: 59
    "It's another matter that the US and NATO, while broadcasting about the European missile defense system and the Iranian threat, burst in the same way as Obama burst with the Syrian" red line ".." ... "Lavrov will not be Lavrov if he does not ask at the meeting the question of the European missile defense "., and Lavrov should also directly raise the question about the problem of LOPUKHOV in politics (and I think that in the media)
  3. Ddhal
    Ddhal 29 November 2013 07: 48
    We really appreciate the activities of our government in the international arena.
    We are only afraid that when Russia finally regains the great-power status of the Soviet Union, there will be practically nothing left of the titular nation (Russians) because of internal social policy ...
  4. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 29 November 2013 07: 58
    Oh, who would doubt it.
    All the same, they need a muzzle in kalo at any opportunity.
  5. HollyGremlin
    HollyGremlin 29 November 2013 08: 36
    Probably, they will include North Korea in this 30-ku. Missiles which almost reach Japan. In fact, they cannot find either 30 or even 3 countries, but this is a year later, when Iran fails to hide behind. Lavrov is certainly cool, we learned how to defend ourselves, it remains to learn how to attack
  6. complete zero
    complete zero 29 November 2013 09: 07
    It would be interesting to hear the opinion of ordinary citizens of the countries where the elements of missile defense are located or are placed - they don't really understand (God forbid) if there is a conflict with the exchange of missile strikes - it will turn out like in the joke "who threw boots on the remote control, hell with this Finland"
  7. lotar
    lotar 29 November 2013 09: 22
    I invite our politicians to think about deploying our missile defense and anti-aircraft missile defense systems in countries such as Brazil, Colombia, and Venezuela, under the pretext of a possible terrorist attack from: Mexico, Canada, the USA, etc.
    1. Shkodnick
      Shkodnick 29 November 2013 22: 52
      But not in Callumbia.
  8. Soviet_Union
    Soviet_Union 29 November 2013 10: 13
    “I confirm that on December 4 there will be a meeting of the Russia-NATO Council at the ministerial level. We look forward to the presence of Minister Lavrov and Secretary of State Kerry, but this information needs to be confirmed in diplomatic missions»

    so the meeting can be canceled under any pretext. It is foreseen with ... ki that Lavrov will ask uncomfortable questions.
  9. Cormorants
    Cormorants 29 November 2013 10: 23
    With foreign policy, everything is fine with us, it pleases)))
  10. stalker
    stalker 29 November 2013 11: 11
    Lately I like our successes in foreign policy, keep it up!
  11. Bezarius
    Bezarius 29 November 2013 12: 07
    From the very beginning it was obvious that the missile defense was directed against Russia, and Iran was nothing more than a convenient excuse. In other matters, as was obvious, the West will never abandon plans to eliminate Russia's sovereignty.
  12. mountain
    mountain 29 November 2013 12: 08
    I do not think that among us there are naives, as in our Mead. To stop missile defense in Europe with one palette is unlikely to succeed. Unfortunately, only adequate measures and the deployment of our missiles on the American continent will balance and sober up the Americans. And Europe received nothing for which it is not necessary to spend money.
  13. washi
    washi 29 November 2013 12: 48
    The United States withdrew from the ABM Treaty.
    We also need a way out of this treaty, as well as agreements on the reduction of medium-range missiles, because the countries around us that have RSDs.
    It will be especially nice to target London and Paris, not participating in the WWS treaties, but having their own nuclear weapons
    1. Shkodnick
      Shkodnick 29 November 2013 22: 56
      You don’t have to go out. But to make a universal medium, yes! After leaving the RDMD agreement, we will get Amer’s rsd in Europe.
  14. SPLV
    SPLV 29 November 2013 12: 53
    30 countries - it's great! Who has rocket technology? USA, France, Britain, Germany, Israel, Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, Japan, India, Pakistan, Brazil ..? Mysterious list. Euro ABM against Israel (in Eastern Europe) and the USA (in Spain), probably ...
  15. Stasi
    Stasi 29 November 2013 17: 57
    We may well respond to European missile defense. This is not only the deployment of Iskander missiles in Kaliningrad and Belarus. Russia can and must withdraw from the CFE Treaty and other treaties limiting our defense capability and defense capabilities. At one time, Marked made a huge gift to the Westerners - he brought the Oka missile system to destruction. The missile of this complex had no analogues and sent any missile defense system to the dump. This complex was a headache for NATO generals. Even now, such a complex is capable of giving odds to Iskander. We need to recreate this complex on the basis of modern technologies, I just don't know if this is possible. One more factor plays against the European missile defense - the demographic one. The population of Europe is rapidly aging; in the near future, NATO will have to defend not Europe but the territory where the elderly and the elderly live. And people from Muslim countries are increasingly influencing and controlling Western life.
    1. vladstro
      vladstro 29 November 2013 19: 44
      here I don’t agree with you, you need the people you need, but not in such even small numbers in our space, but frost-resistant and unpretentious hard workers or slaves will be needed, but Russia has already passed such plans, so nothing will come of it.
  16. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 29 November 2013 20: 24
    Quote: "On November 27, the alliance confirmed that the ministerial meeting of the NATO-Russia Council will take place on December 4."
    Why are these meetings held? To make sure again: that NATO intends to build a missile defense against Russia even longer, that the military strategists of the alliance are trying to reduce Russia's defense potential by launching anti-missile defense in Romania. Why continue this comedy? The West completely ignores Russia's fears. The cold war continues!
  17. Shkodnick
    Shkodnick 29 November 2013 22: 42
  18. tnk1969
    tnk1969 30 November 2013 22: 41
    I think that Russia also needs to recognize the existence of 30 rogue states and accept the fact that they have or will be able to receive weapons of mass destruction and their means of delivery in the coming years. And in response to this threat, first of all, to withdraw from the Treaty on the destruction of medium and short-range missiles. Since these countries will primarily acquire such weapons and they are located in the Russian region, they are territorially closer to Russia than to Europe. And you need to protect yourself from them. Regarding rogue countries, of course, irony. But the rest is serious.
    Secondly, we need to strengthen our military presence in the Indian and Pacific Ocean. Rebuild bases in Vietnam, Syria. Egypt seems to be able to offer with a base on the Red Sea. Yes, and Iran, after Russia's participation in "protecting them from Western dermocrats", could well assist with the deployment of a Russian base in the Persian Gulf (This is of course a fantasy, but what the hell is not kidding, after all, they offered to build a shipping canal from the Caspian to Persian Gulf).
    I think that already now it is necessary to discard such information in the media from the Russian Foreign Ministry from an "authorized unnamed source." And I think that in their media, yuto will cause such an explosion ...