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The analytical program "However," with Mikhail Leontyev 27 November 2013

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In Kiev, the Euromaidan of the Ukrainian opposition is raging, demanding the authorities to be held accountable "for treason against the European choice." At the same time, the authorities are sluggishly justified, citing the lack of money and the unwillingness of the European authorities to help Ukraine make this choice.

"The volume of those resources that need to be directed to modernization is, if we comply with the technical norms and standards that are in effect in the European Union, for us it is enormous - 165 billion euros. But at the same time, we’ll see, now only to provide assistance, say , three countries - Greece, Spain, Portugal - the European Union has allocated 450 billion euros, "- said the Prime Minister of Ukraine Mykola Azarov.

From the film: “Window to Paris”: “The road to you was difficult and full of hardships. Coldness and hunger pursued our delegation for several days. And, extending a hand of friendship to you, in accordance with the principles of socialism and proletarian internationalism, we call you pay our taxi. "
Well, just like a little! The association into which Ukraine is being pushed is not membership in the European Union. Do not confuse marriage with rape. Marriage, even unequal, even by calculation implies some kind of mutual obligations. Rape does not imply any obligations. Demanding love here, and even more so money, is ridiculous.

On the Ukrainian TV channels - everyone is like one! - controlled by the current government, is unrestrained advertising the European choice. That is, the very rape. The government declares about the priority of restoring economic ties with Russia corrupted by European integrators, and the propaganda is defaming Russia as the culprit in the breakdown of the Vilnius triumph of Ukrainian European integration. In fact, official propaganda drives people to Maidan.

Schizophrenia is exacerbated by the unprecedented open intervention of European commissioners, who for some reason reinforce the morale of the Ukrainians. Although, as you remember, they tearfully asked for help with money.

The shuttle diplomacy of the Cox-Kwasniewski mission, which was responsible for the release of Tymoshenko across the current Ukrainian legislation — and this is part of the European ultimatum to Ukraine — can be considered interfering in the internal affairs of NesalEzhnoy, but at least quietly without Maidan. But the cries on the Independence of the Chairman of the Lithuanian Seimas - this is already in no way at all.

"I am sure that Ukraine will be in Europe. The path is difficult, but they have to walk it proudly. I believe the Ukrainian people. I believe you! I know that you love your country. And for your children and grandchildren, you will do everything so that Ukraine was in Europe. For you! " - said the chairman of the Seimas of the Republic of Lithuania Loreta Grauzhinene.

From the film “Wedding in Malinovka”: “Gopak is not in fashion now. I walked all of Europe and nowhere did I see Gopak dancing. Now they have a form of outrage in fashion - they are called“ that steppe ”.

Well, not at all in that steppe. It seems like an official! European power! However, this kind of idea of ​​sovereignty can be explained. As a result of their European choice, the Lithuanian state lost a third of the population irrevocably. And now there is nothing left for its officials, how to work this choice on other people's Maidan.

However, goodbye!

By the way, in Lithuania itself, the speaker was rushed to disown. The country's prime minister said that no one had informed him about the upcoming trip, and he learned everything after the fact. And in the Lithuanian Foreign Ministry reminded the chairman of the parliament that such visits should be coordinated with the diplomats.
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  1. makarov
    makarov 28 November 2013 08: 05
    +6
    The author of the material distorts reality somewhat. In reality, there are "three cripples" from the opposition. Students took to the streets of Kiev and other cities. And the AUTHORITY shit shit ... What will happen next is difficult to predict ...
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 28 November 2013 08: 16
      24
      Quote: makarov
      What will happen next is difficult to predict ...


      And what is there to predict? The kingdom of the absurd is inevitably moving towards its inglorious end, and the only question is how long the agony will last.
      1. alex13-61
        alex13-61 28 November 2013 14: 50
        +1
        Quote: Hudo
        the only question is how long the agony will last.

        Sometimes events develop, well, very, quickly ... and the feeling is that everything depends on the speed of the collapse of the industry, our "guarantor" told reporters yesterday that NEMA's "margin" of strength ...
    2. Natalia
      Natalia 28 November 2013 08: 22
      26
      Quote: makarov
      In reality, there are "three cripples" from the opposition

      winked Let me guess, Yatsinyuk, Tyagnibok, Klitschko lol They hobili all night and shouted all night: "Ukraine CE Europa"))))))))
      1. IGS
        IGS 28 November 2013 10: 52
        +5
        They hobili all night and shouted all night: "Ukraine CE Europa"))))))))
        This is auto training laughing
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 28 November 2013 11: 48
        +4
        laughing laughing laughingexactly Natalia! this is something from the cycle-Ukraine may talent ... laughing
      3. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 28 November 2013 13: 37
        +3
        Quote: Natalia
        guess, Yatsinyuk, Tyagnibok, Klitschko Hobili all night and shouted all night: "Ukraine CE Europa"))))))))

        The old modernized slogan of the invaders and collaborators, previously sounded:
        Wszystkie ukraina polska!
        All larvae of lice got out to sell Ukraine to its eternal enemies.
        1. Cherdak
          Cherdak 28 November 2013 14: 08
          +2
          Quote: Corsair5912
          Wszystkie ukraina polska!



          Normal heroes always go around!
        2. Egoza
          Egoza 28 November 2013 17: 44
          +1
          Quote: Corsair5912
          Wszystkie ukraina polska!
          All larvae of lice got out to sell Ukraine to its eternal enemies.

          Absolutely true!
          The Ukrainian opposition will ask for an extension of the monitoring mission of the European Parliament Pat Cox and Alexander Kwasniewski.
          "We ask the European Parliament and European partners to extend the mission of Koks-Kwasniewski in Ukraine," said the leader of the Batkivshchyna faction Arseniy Yatsenyuk at a civil society conference in Vilnius.

          All three of us flooded, "Schaub Europe did not leave them to be devoured" Will run around all the ambassadors in the corridors! After all, they were not invited to the meeting (and to dinner, too)
    3. Baron Wrangell
      Baron Wrangell 28 November 2013 09: 02
      11
      Quote: makarov
      Students took to the streets of Kiev and other cities.

      And this is scary! since apparently work is being done among students! and good work!
      1. Valkyrie
        Valkyrie 28 November 2013 09: 37
        13
        Yes. It’s scary, because people are processing brains that they are ready to sell their homeland for 30 hryvnia.
        1. Cherdak
          Cherdak 28 November 2013 14: 12
          -3
          Quote: Valkyrie
          so brains process people


          And it all starts small. Chim СоюзEuropean Union of the Spaces for Mitniy http://ursa-tm.ru/forum/index.php?/topic/64193-чим-європейський-союз-кращий-за-м
          last-argument /
          1. Walker1975
            Walker1975 28 November 2013 14: 45
            -3
            You better answer a simple question: why do TC officials send their children to study and live in the EU, buy real estate there and transfer money there, and European officials, for some reason, do not send their children to study in universities of the TC countries, do not buy forks here, do not send their children here?
            1. vadson
              vadson 28 November 2013 15: 46
              +5
              and you answer why deperde from France dumped? maybe his brains are not so washed? or grenades of the wrong system?
              1. Walker1975
                Walker1975 28 November 2013 18: 50
                0
                We found one Depardieu ... He escaped (mind you, not giving up the citizenship that he has) from increased taxes. Again - as a symbol they carry it here ... If there were a thousand Depardieu - there would be a different conversation.
            2. Cherdak
              Cherdak 28 November 2013 17: 00
              +1
              After the launch of the Soviet satellite, the US government concluded that we could only do this thanks to our advanced education system. In the USA, they caught on and began to increase funding for their education. And we reduce, now have exhausted our school almost to the limit.


              It's sad, but in the West you can still get an education on the old Soviet model
            3. Egoza
              Egoza 28 November 2013 17: 48
              0
              Quote: Walker1975
              European officials, for some reason, do not send their children to study at universities in the CU countries,

              Because our diplomas are not recognized there! laughing So why waste time and money if now in Europe is a SOVIET education, and we have zilch! But why Europeans can’t employ their own children? And send them to work in Turkey?
            4. Corsair5912
              Corsair5912 28 November 2013 21: 34
              0
              Quote: Walker1975
              You better answer a simple question: why do TC officials send their children to study and live in the EU, buy real estate there and transfer money there, and European officials, for some reason, do not send their children to study in universities of the TC countries, do not buy forks here, do not send their children here?

              There is a simple answer.
              Geeks from the top of the CPSU, starting with Khrushchev, propagandized the Western way of life, supposedly surpassing the Soviet one many times.
              In terms of consumption of crappy Western consumer goods and counterfeit products, which we are now familiar with in Russia, the capitalist countries, of course, exceeded us, lagging behind in natural products and goods.
              Now clever people have already understood that the West is a dirty garbage, but officials do not belong to smart people in their heads driven in stereotypes are indestructible.
              The West, on the contrary, sculpted the entire accessible history from Russia as an enemy, portraying Russian barbarians as a backward country, which actually never happened. These stereotypes in the heads of the Westerners are genetically rooted.
          2. Cherdak
            Cherdak 28 November 2013 16: 55
            +1
            And this is the correct answer!
      2. Poppy
        Poppy 28 November 2013 10: 50
        +3
        even laid out a link to an invitation to participate - they pay 80 hryvnias, about 300 rubles
        1. Walker1975
          Walker1975 28 November 2013 18: 56
          0
          You never know what laid out. To listen to you, then people go out to any protests only for money. Just for the money (or by order) people go to rallies in support of the authorities, because no one will voluntarily marry her. Here on one of the Russian channels they showed an interview with a man who said that they promised him money for the rally and everything was mounted in such a way that they seemed to offer to come for money to Euromaidan ... and when then they completely laid out this interview on the Internet - it turned out that he talked about the rally of the Party of Regions.
      3. revnagan
        revnagan 28 November 2013 15: 04
        +5
        Quote: Baron Wrangel
        apparently work is being done among students! and good work!

        So after all, studios are paid well. 100-120 UAH. No, brothers, now is the time to deploy heavy artillery (unless of course it is in reserve). In general, I and my whole family are for an alliance with Russia. One living space with Russia, one fate. Either we they are us. A third is not given. It seems to me that the moment of truth has come. Will they tear it off or not? It's very bad that I don’t know what to do specifically, at the moment. I’m boggling the foundations of the Ukrainian independence, I’m doing explanatory work as I can. And I don’t think an enemy of Ukraine and our people. Paradox? In general, a complete confusion of feelings.
        1. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 28 November 2013 17: 32
          +2
          Quote: revnagan
          So after all, studios are paid well. 100-120 UAH. No, brothers, now is the time to deploy heavy artillery (unless of course it is in reserve). In general, I and my whole family are for an alliance with Russia. One living space with Russia, one fate. Either we they are us. A third is not given. It seems to me that the moment of truth has come. Will they tear it off or not? It's very bad that I don’t know what to do specifically, at the moment. I’m boggling the foundations of the Ukrainian independence, I’m doing explanatory work as I can. And I don’t think an enemy of Ukraine and our people. Paradox? In general, a complete confusion of feelings.

          What to do ? Create a group of like-minded people, invite all your acquaintances, including those from social networks. Make some showy thoughtful posters and speak together at a rally in a public place or in front of the local government. It doesn't matter how many you are, just do it and show the authorities that the people support their decision to suspend the association. Many officials are not as bad as people think they are. It's just that it is difficult for them to speak without support and go against the "official" course or media trends.
          Can you do it? This is not difficult and will require very few resources. Do not be passive and uphold your beliefs. In fact, the majority is yours, it simply is not organized and does not believe in its own strength. Break this situation at least at home, give people an example to defend their interests.
          1. Walker1975
            Walker1975 28 November 2013 22: 52
            +2
            Well, you ran away - it's not a disadvantage to put on the forums ... you need to get up - go somewhere ...
    4. carver
      carver 28 November 2013 10: 36
      +4
      Yes, students are ready for anything except hunger strike. They threw the attendants, they took off the lecture, hang out beer, pull on the square, create extras. Well, of course, there are always "sickly" activists who create the appearance of activity and raging youth. The main thing is that this crowd does not turn into a herd of sheep and does not follow the shepherds to the rat's pipe, but then only reason will help them how much they have not forgotten how to think with their heads.
    5. Cherdak
      Cherdak 28 November 2013 14: 06
      -3
      Quote: makarov
      What will happen next is difficult to predict ...


      And why is the topic of "extortionate" gas prices not disclosed?
      1. MG42
        MG42 28 November 2013 14: 31
        +2
        So this is a picture for 2011, the price of gas changes and depends on oil prices with a certain time lag> six months IMHO ?. And under the contract, the base price for Ukraine is $ 450 / thousand cubic meters.
        The price of Russian gas in September 2013 compared with August rose by $ 30 - from $ 399,3 to $ 429,7 per thousand cubic meters. About 4 billion cubic meters of gas worth $ 1,7 billion were received from Russia this month.

        This is evidenced by the data of the State Statistics Service.

        European gas deliveries - from Germany, Hungary, Austria - in September amounted to 343 million cubic meters worth $ 136 million. The average price of reverse gas was $ 397,1 (from Germany - $ 388,6, Austria - $ 400,9, Hungary - $ 400,3) .

        Read: European Commission: Ukraine and Slovakia close to gas agreement
        In general, over three quarters, Ukraine received 19,7 billion cubic meters of fuel for $ 8,2 billion.

        http://economics.lb.ua/business/2013/11/21/242251_tsena_rossiyskiy_gaz_sentyabre



        .html

        Here, one must also take into account the transport leverage for Ukraine and for EU countries.

        In general, we need to listen to our Yanukovych. Curious things were said in the last extended interview that Ukraine will continue to reduce the purchase of Russian gas so that it would not be profitable for Russia to sell it to Ukraine at such high prices in small volumes fellow
        Purchases became 2013 billion cubic meters less in 18
        1. Cherdak
          Cherdak 28 November 2013 17: 13
          +1
          2010: Rising prices for Russian gas to $ 330 per 1000 cubic meters will lead to a halt or loss-making operation of the basis of the Ukrainian economy - chemical and metallurgical enterprises, said Prime Minister of Ukraine Mykola Azarov. Ukraine in the first quarter of 2010 bought Russian gas at a price of $ 305 per 1000 cubic meters, and in the second quarter, according to media reports, the price could rise to $ 330.

          On April 21, 2010, Naftogaz and Gazprom signed amendments to the gas supply contract, according to which the Ukrainian side from April 1, 2010 received a discount in the price of gas equal to the reduction in the export duty for gas supplies to Ukraine. The gas discount is also taken into account in the rent for the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol. The preferential duty for the supply of Russian gas to Ukraine is valid until 2019 inclusive.

          2012: According to NAK Naftogaz of Ukraine, the price of Russian natural gas imported into the country in the first quarter of 2012 amounted to $ 416 per 1 thousand cubic meters. m, in the second quarter - 425 dollars per 1 thousand cubic meters. m, in the third - $ 426 per 1 thousand cubic meters. m, in the fourth - $ 430 per 1 thousand cubic meters. m

          2013: In the third quarter of this year, Kiev will pay about $ 400 per 1 cubic meters of Russian gas, said Minister of Energy and Coal Industry of Ukraine Eduard Stavitsky.

          the average annual gas price for Ukraine in 2013 is $ 407 per thousand cubic meters. m

          KIEV, October 21. Ukraine in August this year imported gas from Europe at a price of $ 397,25 per thousand cubic meters. m. About the same amount - $ 399,34 - costed Russian gas to Ukraine.

          At the same time, gas from the EU for Ukraine has recently risen in price, while Russian, on the contrary, has become cheaper. hi

          Quote: MG42
          And under the contract, the base price for Ukraine is 450 dollars / thousand cubic meters.
        2. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 28 November 2013 17: 40
          +1
          Quote: MG42
          In general, we need to listen to our Yanukovych. Curious things were said in the last extended interview that Ukraine will continue to reduce the purchase of Russian gas so that it would not be profitable for Russia to sell it to Ukraine at such high prices in small volumes
          Purchases became 2013 billion cubic meters less in 18

          Purchases have become smaller because a substantial part of the economy fell in 2013.
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 28 November 2013 17: 54
            +3
            Quote: Gluxar_
            Purchases have become smaller because a substantial part of the economy fell in 2013.

            Here Fule "recommends" us
            “We want Ukraine to agree with the IMF as soon as possible. Of course, this is a matter of bilateral negotiations between the IMF and Ukraine. On the issue of gas tariffs, it is necessary to work transparently, gradually abandoning the practice of subsidizing vulnerable categories of the population. Due to the difference in tariffs for the population and business, debts arise that only increase the hole in the budget. Subsidies are the biggest enemy of modernization. ”

            I just somehow "forgot" that the economies of the main EU countries (Germany, France, Italy and Benelux) in the field of agriculture and food export are built on huge government subsidies. The European aviation concern EADS is also subsidized and the third energy package of the EU "does not allow Gazprom, Naftogaz and European gas producing companies (those who have money and interest in this project) to modernize the UGTS and it will have to be demolished.
    6. MG42
      MG42 28 November 2013 14: 10
      +3
      Quote: makarov
      Students took to the streets of Kiev and other cities. And the authorities crap crap .. .. What will happen next is difficult to predict.

      As far as I know, the authorities yesterday sent their emissaries to specialized universities, for example, Bogatyrev, my medical, Arbuzov's financial, etc. to hold meetings with students because today an all-Ukrainian student strike is planned, and some rectors from Mogilyanka themselves inspired students to go to the Maidan, in Lviv, the administration also inspires protests and this senior Vakarchuk speaks on their Maidan ..
      See for yourself >>
    7. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 28 November 2013 15: 26
      +3
      Disabled loafers and squatters came out. Where did you see the people there? All the screen, distract attention, and then we will find out the main actions when everything is done.
    8. Cynic
      Cynic 28 November 2013 17: 50
      0
      Quote: makarov
      . Students took to the streets of Kiev and other cities

      Yourself?
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 28 November 2013 17: 57
        0
        Quote: Cynic
        Yourself?

        The rector allowed the couple to skip! belay
        1. alone
          alone 28 November 2013 21: 23
          -3
          Our shot ran everywhere everywhere !! again Misha Leontyev began to teach everyone what to do! you know, the one who lets air through the fifth point and the one who teaches everyone what to do, never gets tired !!
          would do something useful, Misha leontiev !! really got their whining!
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 29 November 2013 16: 51
            0
            Quote: lonely
            Misha leontiev !! really got their whining

            No need to bring your personal problems to the public.
            yes
    9. DAOSS
      DAOSS 29 November 2013 20: 09
      0
      And, what students get at 150g / day, doesn’t this mean anything to you?
      and this time Yanyk will not give up his power. If young people start provocations, they will suppress by all means, but there will be no second "orange" one.
  2. Natalia
    Natalia 28 November 2013 08: 14
    36
    Hello everyone smile What I would like to say:
    first
    Well, I think everyone understands that for the EU (and the USA), the main thing is to drag Ukraine into Europe. And why to Europe, but just so far away from Russia.

    Second
    Now some will say: "This Putin is preventing us from coming to Europe and living" civilized "! Blah blah blah!"
    Yes, it may be, and it cannot even be, but most likely Putin was not idle. But sorry, this is the sphere of our interests and we simply must create around us, and around the perimeter, our various blocks and associations. And you can accuse me of Imperial ambitions, but if a country wants to be considered a Great Power, then like a Great Power it should have such ambitions.

    The third
    And you noticed how HozDeb connected, right away only Ukraine hesitated, then like a tuk ... well, here you have imperial ambitions.

    PS By the way, we don’t climb into Cuba with our missiles ... but it’s a pity, they’re just climbing ships to us.
    1. hommer
      hommer 28 November 2013 09: 52
      14
      Plus, Natalia, for the reasoned comment.
      Quote: Natalia
      but if a country wants to be considered a Great Power, then like a Great Power it should have such ambitions.


      If possible, add -

      "If a state does not participate in world combinations, after a very short time, the opinion of this state in such combinations is no longer taken into account."

      Peter Stolypin
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 28 November 2013 10: 11
        +5
        Quote: hommer
        Plus, Natalia, for the reasoned comment.

        Well, smart, beautiful, unapproachable winked
        1. Natalia
          Natalia 28 November 2013 13: 21
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Well, smart, beautiful, unapproachable

          Hi Sasha wink
          lol yes i am like that winked ....)))))))
        2. alone
          alone 28 November 2013 21: 25
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Well, smart, beautiful, unapproachable

          laughing Ishmael was also considered an impregnable fortress, but was still taken !! patience. patience and again patience))
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 28 November 2013 11: 16
      11
      Quote: Natalia
      And why to Europe, but just so far away from Russia.

      Not only. Europe is in crisis, and they desperately need a new market. Especially one where local authorities dare not blather.
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic 28 November 2013 13: 18
      10
      Quote: Natalia
      but if a country wants to be considered a Great Power, then like a Great Power it should have such ambitions.


      Not only a Great Power should have ambitions and sovereign rights for all countries. For this, the UN was created after WW2 to prevent ambitions from escalating into military conflicts. Today, global capital is only interested in the ambitions of the selected civilized nations, and they no longer hide this under the guise of democracy and human rights. It is high time to understand that Ukraine, with its European choice, is not among the chosen ones. Moreover, it has been assigned a "historical role" to be on the outskirts of the Euroshakals of Poland and Lithuania, which we have seen recently in the arrogant behavior of the politicians of these countries.

      For reference, under the Eastern Partnership program for 2010-13. was transferred to: Moldova - 366,6 million euros, Georgia - 239,9 million euros, Armenia - 186,8 million euros, Azerbaijan - 82,5 million euros and Belarus - 73,1 million euros.

      The level of the event held in Washington at the end of June 2013 in the building of one of the oldest and most authoritative think tanks in the USA of the Heritage Foundation, an event dedicated to the future of the Eurasian Union and "protecting vital interests in this area of ​​the United States and its allies," with the participation of diplomats, scientists, analysts testifies - Western strategists no longer hide that they are afraid and closely monitor what is happening in the post-Soviet space. And they do it not idly by, but actively forming their own tools to counter the revival and integration of the Eurasian space.


      "Eastern Partnership" - tracing paper from Hitler's concept of "expanding living space to the East"
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 28 November 2013 13: 33
        +4
        Quote: Ascetic
        . And today, only the ambitions of the chosen civilized nations are of interest to global capital, and they no longer hide this under the guise of democracy and human rights.

        ... now, today the UN is a paper organization. The UN, as you rightly noted, was created, I would even say as a platform for negotiations between the two greatest forces of the USSR and the USA. And now one force was gone, and the UN turned out to be useless, because there is no one else to negotiate with, but what the world to do and how to live, we ourselves will tell him (this is about the USA) "we are now the best, only the stars on our flag are higher than us. strany "..... so, yes, the UN is today a useless organization promoting the interests of the United States under the template of the common good.

        And for Europe, since ancient times, all Slavic peoples are, sorry, the third grade. Therefore, it is not in vain that Brzezinski warns, first of all, America against the unification of Ukraine and Russia, he knows what kind of hurricane this will turn out to be. This hurricane will at least drive Europe itself.) Or, as my dad says: "... if Russia unites with Ukraine, it will be at least strong"
    4. spynet
      spynet 28 November 2013 17: 49
      0
      Quote: Natalia
      Well, I think everyone understands that for the EU (and the USA), the main thing is to drag Ukraine into Europe. And why to Europe, but just so far away from Russia.

      Well, most likely winked not just like that ...
      Politics is, as I call it, a game of chess, but for the rest it is shown as a game of poker.
      If considered as a game of poker, then it looks:
      The EU - life in Europe, Russia is pressing on you ...
      Russia - free trade in vehicles or gas at world prices ...
      And who is bluffing, and who has a winning situation, it’s hard for many to understand.
      If we consider it as a game of chess, then it looks:
      There is a crisis in the EU and it is necessary to sell goods (especially eastern Europe, since western products are not needed) and decided to make Ukraine, so to speak, free from unnecessary barriers, a buffer between the EU and Russia for its goods in the form of signing an association. (most likely they hoped that Russia would not abandon Ukraine because of related industries - space, aviation, etc.)
      Russia in response stated that it would introduce barriers on the border with Ukraine (as the president said).
      Then Ukraine understood (at least I hope so laughing ) that she remains in the cold and stops signing.
      Maybe I’m not right, but after the proposal of the Ukrainian government to hold negotiations in the trilateral format of the European Union-Ukraine-Russia, I got exactly that impression.
      Of course, do not forget about another player - USA
      They are now trying to hook and pull out (to Europe) lured (back in the time of Yushchenko) fish (Ukraine). That is: they are trying to prevent Ukraine from turning towards Russia and subsequent reunification.
      Something like this.
    5. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 28 November 2013 21: 46
      0
      Wench, but she’s thinking.
  3. VadimSt
    VadimSt 28 November 2013 08: 15
    +4
    Quote: makarov
    In reality, there are "three cripples" from the opposition.

    I agree! The opposition's goal is not to defend European integration, but to try to repeat the "Orange Revolution". H&R im! There have already been ten steps to the people, five million jobs, etc. In reality, they sank below the plinth and pulled the nationalists into the light of day!
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 28 November 2013 08: 39
      22
      quote-Shuttle diplomacy of the Koks-Kwasniewski mission, which was responsible for the release of Tymoshenko across the current Ukrainian legislation - and this is part of the European ultimatum to Ukraine - can be considered interference in the internal affairs of "nEzalEzhnoy" in any way, but these are, at least quietly, without Maidan. But the screams on the Maidan of the chairperson of the Lithuanian Seimas - this is no longer in any "nEzalEzhnost nE LEZE".

      Yanukovych met with Russian President Vladimir Vladimirovich in Moscow, so immediately in the West they began to scream about Russia's pressure on Ukraine and threw a tantrum about alleged Russian interference in the internal affairs of Ukraine. But as soon as some countries of Eastern Europe began to openly interfere in the internal affairs of Ukraine , "EU commissioners have taken water in their mouths." Where are your pompous statements condemning the intervention of individual countries of Eastern Europe regarding interference in the internal affairs of Ukraine ?! winked Aw, no, not heard am I assure you dear visitors, you will not wait for these statements, you see double standards.am
      1. KCC
        KCC 28 November 2013 12: 12
        +4
        Yes, and I want to draw attention to the fact that it was not Putin who traveled to Ukraine, unlike the European Commissioners, but Yanukovych himself flew to Russia with great secret. If you use the logic of Europe, you probably came to put Putin down on him, otherwise he would be lonely without pressure.
      2. KCC
        KCC 28 November 2013 12: 12
        0
        Yes, and I want to draw attention to the fact that it was not Putin who traveled to Ukraine, unlike the European Commissioners, but Yanukovych himself flew to Russia with great secret. If you use the logic of Europe, you probably came to put Putin down on him, otherwise he would be lonely without pressure.
      3. Walker1975
        Walker1975 28 November 2013 14: 28
        0
        Oh, you don’t have to make an idiot out of yourself. Does the cry for pressure from one side or the other come from the fact that Yanukovych met with someone? Or even hanging out on the Maidan with students. Yes, even if Medvedev and Glazyev come and go on the Maidan to be photographed with posters - the TS is the most profitable alliance in the world.

        You answer me another: Is it after Yanukovych met with Putin on the border with Europe that all Ukrainian trucks stopped? Is it after Azarov’s statement on the suspension of European integration that some European Onishchenko found poisons in Ukrainian sweets, and the Polish customs began feverishly checking all Ukrainian goods? So you would be silent about pressure and double standards.
        1. vadson
          vadson 28 November 2013 16: 00
          +2
          One question: what duty do Ukrainian goods allow to Europe? more than to Russia?
          1. Papakiko
            Papakiko 28 November 2013 17: 24
            +1
            Quote: vadson
            One question: what duty do Ukrainian goods allow to Europe? more than to Russia?

            Without duty, only girls are supplied for brothels.
            And the rest of the geyropa is received without compensation from countries of the 3rd world.
            Quote: Ascetic
            "Eastern Partnership" - tracing paper from Hitler's concept of "expanding living space to the East"

            Ascetic, beautiful!
            Quote: Liss.
            They descended to the level of an inanimate "product" and choose which "merchant" to sell at a higher price. For so many years to cherish and cherish "nezalezhnosti" as virginity, then to "bargain" it. When everything is sold and betrayed by the body.

            So uraine since mazepa trades.
            It’s only a pity that we sell ourselves for cheap and then we rake.
        2. illarion
          illarion 28 November 2013 16: 45
          0
          I think that they urgently ran to the secret services to find out what values ​​Yanukovych had in Europe? Maidan is for television, and information is for specialists. I don’t envy Yanukovych: the Europeans are meticulous. They will dig three meters. So to be continued. ..
  4. Narrator.tales
    Narrator.tales 28 November 2013 08: 29
    13
    Crimea, please return to the homeland
    1. VadimSt
      VadimSt 28 November 2013 12: 15
      +5
      Such one-sidedness, I do not support. Donbass, also the homeland, to whom it’s big, to whom it’s small, but for Russia, it’s for sure - the home side!
  5. mitya24
    mitya24 28 November 2013 08: 36
    +3
    Is there Khmelnitsky in this society Mazep?
  6. askort154
    askort154 28 November 2013 08: 37
    +4
    Today is the 28th, the beginning of the second part of the performance - "Let me go to the Himallay".
    1. Liss.
      Liss. 28 November 2013 10: 00
      +1
      The performance does not pull.
      Reprise- "Well, take me to the Ballet!"
      1. Sashkessss
        Sashkessss 28 November 2013 12: 34
        +2
        "Europ or not Europ - that is the question"
        1. Liss.
          Liss. 28 November 2013 13: 34
          +2
          "Better at home with a fist
          Cheap and sweet.
          Than on the roof with a man
          Cold and disgusting ... "
  7. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 28 November 2013 08: 51
    13
    Do not confuse marriage with rape.
    That says it all! And maydaunas will calm down sooner or later ..
  8. Normal
    Normal 28 November 2013 08: 55
    +4
    “The amount of resources that need to be spent on modernization, if we comply with the technical norms and standards that are in force in the European Union, is enormous for us - it is 165 billion euros.

    "And what kind of cowboy did she want to buy ??? Where can I get the money?"

    As always! "Russia is a generous soul!" They bargain with us, and then again pull them to Europe.
    "I am sure that Ukraine will be in Europe ...

    Who can argue ?! Of course it will be ... in "... opera"! It is high time for Ukram to understand; or the outskirts return to their countries or OkrAina will be in opera.
  9. Wedmak
    Wedmak 28 November 2013 09: 02
    +9
    But I wonder what the hell climbs into this swamp Klitschko? He is a good boxer, but a politician ... Does anyone believe that a person with a broken brain is able to do something in the political arena (however, the Potitiks have always been tense with the brain)?
    1. Valkyrie
      Valkyrie 28 November 2013 09: 24
      +5
      Politics gives a certain power. Power is the ultimate dream for a person who has little and little money. So those who have such an opportunity are eager for power. Schwarzenegger, too, was eager. What came of it? Politics is a theater of the absurd.
    2. seller trucks
      seller trucks 28 November 2013 09: 45
      +3
      Quote: Wedmak
      But I wonder what the hell climbs into this swamp Klitschko? He is a good boxer, but a politician ...


      everything is quite simple, and this is called political technology:

      In modern science, there are many attempts to create a leadership topology. An example of the creation of general topologies is still the approach of M. Weber, where he identifies the traditional, rationally legal and charismatic types. The concept of "charisma" has gained the greatest popularity in this concept. A charismatic leader can be called a person with the highest authority. However, today, from the point of view of many researchers, the word “charisma” is incorrectly used as a concept and is among the most controversial and ambiguous. In the interpretation of M. Weber charisma is possessed by one who is able to influence the mass with great emotional strength. To preserve his charisma, the leader must provide evidence of charismatic legitimacy - signs of "gratitude", the real successes of his reign. In other words, charisma depends on the "mass movement", which is organized by the bureaucratic apparatus to support the leader.


      A. Drozdova, S. Korchemkin, V. Fadeev
      "The role of political image in the development of political leadership"

      well, as you understand the puppeteers are the same, there is no need to talk about the "phenomenon" of Klitschko
    3. Bogranz
      Bogranz 28 November 2013 09: 52
      +3
      I will not judge Klitschko as a boxer, but he is a man with a good intellect. True, as a "politician" looks like a confused boy who has fallen into the wrong place. But over time it will pass .... And it is still safer to knock off the loot not in the ring (especially since age makes itself felt), but in quiet offices. Popularity is a good thing, but short-term and you need to have time to use it in time for a successful "retraining" ... Pure "Ukrainian." with .. German "residence permit", and .... nothing personal, just business ...
      1. seller trucks
        seller trucks 28 November 2013 11: 19
        +2
        Quote: Bograntz
        I will not judge Klitschko as a boxer, but he is a man with good intelligence.


        in politics, intelligence is not at all the main thing, an example of Ukraine as a proof, Vajra writes: "Ukraine is a unique country, primarily because oligophrenics have become an elite in it."

        Well, as they say in the topic: Monuments of Lenin are planned to be added to the gold and foreign exchange reserves of Ukraine

        In the gold and foreign exchange reserves of the National Bank want to transfer the monuments to Lenin. The corresponding bill (No.3690) on November 25 was submitted to the Verkhovna Rada by the People's Deputy, the former chairman of the State Treasury of Ukraine (2007-2010), Tatyana Slyuz.

        http://business.vesti.ua/26551-v-zolotovaljutnye-rezervy-ukrainy-planirujut-vnes
        ti-pamjatniki
    4. INVESTOR
      INVESTOR 28 November 2013 09: 56
      +6
      He is a crooked boxer, dirty boxing is not beautiful. To the husband Russophobe he..bender their mother ..
    5. Liss.
      Liss. 28 November 2013 10: 05
      +2
      Quote: Wedmak
      a person with a broken brain is capable of

      The broken brain was "treated" in Hermaniy.
      So, capable!
    6. DEfindER
      DEfindER 28 November 2013 10: 37
      +5
      Quote: Wedmak
      But I wonder what the hell climbs into this swamp Klitschko? He is a good boxer, but a politician ...

      And you forgot what is going on in their Rada, boxing skills will not be superfluous, whoever is stronger is right :)
      1. Walker1975
        Walker1975 28 November 2013 14: 30
        +2
        Yes, you can not compare with the Duma - the Duma is not a place for discussion.
        1. illarion
          illarion 28 November 2013 16: 52
          +1
          I agree, but Rada is my favorite selection on YouTube. Everything goes a bit boring for us, except that it was fun in the late 80s. And now, like in the US Congress. They don’t get up with applause after every sentence of the president. But they slammed with us when Leonid Ilyich spoke.
    7. Egoza
      Egoza 28 November 2013 11: 36
      +8
      Quote: Wedmak
      what the hell does Klitschko climb into this swamp?

      He has business in the West - in Germany and the USA. Again, he has a residence permit there! And the family is there. And in politics ... well, so a new figure who can fall for. It seems to be not as radical as "Svoboda", but also not PR. The main thing is that he knows that "Ukraine is Europe"! That's right, geographically Ukraine is located in Europe. Only now Europe stretches to the Ural Mountains (by the way). And everyone is trying to forget about it. There is Eastern Europe and there is Western Europe, as well as in Ukraine - Eastern Ukraine and Western. Who can’t be reconciled. Only now Western Europe is already breathing on fire, sunset, sir, the old woman has grown decrepit, but Eastern Europe is rising. The sun rises in the east. And this must be remembered.
    8. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 28 November 2013 11: 54
      +2
      so Klitschko is almost a German for a long time ... that’s pulling his hut closer to himself, in order to save money (in order not to splurge on tickets, drive closer for a sack) laughing
    9. Luna
      Luna 28 November 2013 12: 14
      +2
      Why does he need brains? Stefan Füle and the whole EU will think for him.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 28 November 2013 18: 03
        +1
        Quote: Luna
        Stefan Füle and the whole EU will think for him.

        Bull's-eye!
        Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski advised Ukraine to study the experience of Moldova. "For Ukraine, the best example should be Moldova, which is not bargaining, but has carried out reforms, thanks to which it receives aid per person from the EU at the level of candidates for membership. It has achieved more than Ukraine in the area of ​​visa facilitation," Sikorsky said.

        “The European Union is not a bazaar. I don’t know what Russia offers to Ukraine. For our part, we can offer European values ​​and standards that can and will be implemented in Ukraine,” Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt said at the Vilnius summit.

        http://www.segodnya.ua/politics/pnews/sammit-v-vilnyuse-o-chem-govoryat-klyuchev
        ye-politiki-478168.html
        xxxxx
        Well, that’s the crib for Klitschko !!!
    10. Cherdak
      Cherdak 28 November 2013 14: 21
      +1
      Quote: Wedmak
      a person with a broken brain is able to do something in the political arena



      After such textbooks and not pull on!
  10. Strashila
    Strashila 28 November 2013 09: 08
    +7
    "But the screams on the Maidan of the chairwoman of the Lithuanian Seimas are no longer in any" nEzalEzhnost nElezE "." ... especially considering that these screams were in Russian.
    1. Skarte
      Skarte 28 November 2013 12: 45
      +1
      I also wanted to say, but I was surprised))))
  11. morpogr
    morpogr 28 November 2013 09: 13
    19
    How people are bred. You’ll be given anything to drink in your ears just to get the money from you. Is it really not clear to look at the latest events in the EU? The rich are robbing the poor more and if they already have nothing to borrow from the living, they start hanging on their children! Example Greece, Bulgaria , Cyprus, the Baltic States, Spain 25% youth unemployment they need your resources and the market and the residents of Ukraine themselves do not need them. Look at England the euro has not entered into all of their opinions now they want to ban EU residents from emigrating to England, but run out of the EU. Start thinking already.
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 28 November 2013 10: 37
      +3
      Yes, there is not a single plus from this accession to the EU, in general, when I first heard this, I was just in shock. It’s ridiculous that after all this, Azarov said that, well, we couldn’t foresee everything, but what any more or less literate child understands is watching.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 28 November 2013 15: 26
        +3
        Quote: ZU-23
        Yes, there is not a single plus from this accession to the EU, in general, when I first heard this, I was just in shock.


        even our thoroughly pro-Western liberals, creakles have long ceased to advocate European choice in Russia, their entire info war is directed exclusively against
        Putin from the standpoint of such liberal patriots who care about the welfare of Russia. They themselves wonder how much Ukrainians believe in this Eurocranberry. Here is a well-known blogger from Echo Matza, Ilya Varlamov, a particularly close person to the main person involved in the Kirovles case, who was hanging out on the Maidan, as he says - talked with people, tried to find out why the Ukrainians so wanted to Europe?
        For example, I have often heard from people that they are counting on "the abolition of visas for Ukrainians" and "the European level of salaries." Of course, there is no talk of abolishing visas, nor of salaries. In general, the "European level of wages" or "the European standard of living" sounds as ridiculous as the Soviet word "European-quality repair". These are just dreams of a beautiful and well-fed foreign country, which most have seen only in the movies or from the window of a tourist bus. The politicians who come out to the square take advantage of the gullibility of the people and do not hesitate to describe the bright prospects for European integration. Nobody says that in some countries of Western Europe (Spain, Greece) real unemployment reaches 30%, while in Ukraine it does not exceed 10%, that prices and taxes are many times higher.

        and this says the most that no real creative Muscovite. To the brain of bones, a common man and a follower of Euro-values.

        Do people really believe such passages as from the People's Deputy from the UDAR party Sergey Kaplin
        "I give a forecast: in 15 years the leader of the European Union will be a Ukrainian, we will become a real" European tiger ". In another 5 years, Ukraine will change Europe: it will become the architect of a new world - a world without poverty, incurable diseases, crises and environmental disasters."

        probably before saying that "pear" for his leader worked.
        The funny thing is that the speaker of the Lithuanian Sejm speaks in Kiev great and mighty Russian language! In the language filthy Muscovites for in another way these geyropeytsy do not understand each other. . And so in everything - there is a lot of pathos, but without Russia, all the same, dummies and small ones slurped, no matter how they tried to drive the opposite into their heads.
    2. 10kAzAk01
      10kAzAk01 28 November 2013 10: 48
      +2
      I repeat ... Maidan wants a freebie ....
      So in Germany itself, everything is far from cloudless. According to the latest data, the unemployment rate among citizens of Germany no older than 26 years old has risen to a record all-year high of 48,7%. That is, every second young German himself sits on state subsidies.
    3. Walker1975
      Walker1975 28 November 2013 14: 36
      +1
      And why is it not visible on the right picture of the patriarchs with golden braces, thousands of abandoned villages, Putin and Serdyukov, Skolkovo, Russian melliards, an army of officials, hordes of migrants, broken roads, factories that work by collecting from the finished blocks what they will send from the left picture, Kadyrov with his mosque, poor doctors and teachers, Basmanny and similar courts? Yes, there is much more that could be drawn, and from above, the Virgin, crying when looking at it.
  12. Valkyrie
    Valkyrie 28 November 2013 09: 15
    +5
    Europe, like a spider, seeks to drag Ukraine into its web in order to suck out what it needs from it. Only Ukrainian oligarchs will benefit from integration, and the people will be left with nothing. I think that in Ukraine the majority understand this, and we are shown on television some demonstrations of almost the entire population, this is another show for suckers.
  13. Stiletto
    Stiletto 28 November 2013 09: 23
    +8
    Damn, it’s necessary to so want the dough to sell 1000 years of the joint history of Kievan Rus for the sake of dubious momentary benefit!
    1. Valkyrie
      Valkyrie 28 November 2013 09: 27
      +1
      Yes Yes. And there is. History, even the most glorious in all world history, cannot be smeared with bread. But dough does not want ordinary people, but insatiable oligarchs, and they generally have nothing sacred.
  14. mak210
    mak210 28 November 2013 09: 28
    +4
    Why are we making such noise, they are equal to us and do what they want and what is beneficial for them. And we have on all channels about what kind of fools they are. Maybe it's better to look at yourself? Who took to our streets when the WTO treaty was signed? Where is the wine for 1 euro and the cheap cars that Dimon promised us? A year has passed, and the wine is getting more expensive, car prices have already flown by the clouds. In Europe (Bulgaria, Greece, etc.), food is cheaper than ours, and our prices are clearly crawling much faster than official inflation and pensions. Maybe we are fools? Everything suits us.

    And the Ukrainians - well done. They want to bring Russia and the EU together and see who will give more. Rzhaka, however, if possible! Maybe it’s generally conceived to leave the relationship as it is today, but to lower the price of gas in anticipation of winter?
    1. Liss.
      Liss. 28 November 2013 10: 39
      +4
      Quote: mak210
      Where is the wine for 1 euro and the cheap cars that Dimon promised us? A year has passed, and the wine is getting more expensive, car prices have already flown by the clouds.

      What did he promise: "The car will be and the wine is almost free"?
      Dimon, answer "I will present"! It is pure and concrete!

      Seriously, 3 years old friend sends his family to rest in Bulgaria.
      Not on a tour, but to private traders. They buy out a 2-room apartment by the sea, it costs 500 of our "hazel grouses" per day. The owners move into a bungalow. Renting out housing and live. For the "Russians" it is really cheap there, for the Bulgarians - ... oppa!
      So rubles in a fist, and with a bottle of wine and driving a cheap car, come off!
      Housing there, too, at bargain prices, by the way. But they don't build something new ... They are optimized (from the word "optimal", not "optimism").

      Quote: mak210
      And the Ukrainians - well done. They want to bring Russia and the EU together and see who will give more.

      Aha, well done! They descended to the level of an inanimate "product" and choose which "merchant" to sell at a higher price. For so many years to cherish and cherish "square" as virginity, so that later it "bargain".
      When everything is sold and betrayed, they trade the body.
      And this is not rzhaka.
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  16. Vasily Klopkov
    Vasily Klopkov 28 November 2013 09: 50
    +1
    It was beneficial for the Ukrainian authorities to use the alleged aggression of Russia against Ukraine to knock out the dough from the EU, and to this end, anti-Russian sentiments in society were provoked in order to somehow justify a sharp change in Yanukovych’s foreign policy rhetoric, the rejection of his election obligations, and his estrangement from Russia to please the West . What came of it, we all saw. The EU did not give money, there are no fools sitting there to pull another economy. Therefore, the only one who can currently help Ukraine is Putin.
    1. Walker1975
      Walker1975 28 November 2013 14: 39
      +1
      Yeah ... supposedly aggression ... You still say that the State Department secretly replaced Russian customs officers with its agents and one day they stopped all cargo transportation from Ukraine, Onishchenko, received a salary from the EU to find something in Ukrainian sweets .. .
  17. Keeper
    Keeper 28 November 2013 10: 42
    0
    In any situation, even if Ukraine signs this agreement with the EU, a civil war will begin, as a result of which all countries except Ukraine will receive, if not territorially, then economically (it’s no secret that wars are expensive, and even more so near Europe - so don’t feed bread. Remember Yugoslavia as they bombed ...)

    As a result, if the "Big Boil" happens, Russia will have to intervene in the "carve-up" in any case! And we will pull out a piece from the throat is not small!
    God grant that there is no war and everything is decided peacefully !!!
    But, it seems to me, we are on the verge of "interesting events" ... and we are sitting in the first row ...
    1. IGS
      IGS 28 November 2013 11: 02
      +2
      There are no civil wars without blood. If it begins, then its Westerners will begin with their hatred of Russia, or rather they will not start it on their own, they can shoot only in the back, and provoke, that’s what they’ll do their best. And when they rake, they will begin to whine again, as Russia oppresses them, their fate is such, yes, they themselves have chosen it, they are sick.
  18. Keeper
    Keeper 28 November 2013 10: 48
    +2
    Quote: Bograntz
    True, as a "politician" (Klitschko) looks like a confused boy who has fallen into the wrong place

    like a big bird next to the kitchen, where they cooked a huge pot for Thanksgiving ...

    Quote: MIKHAN
    And maydaunas will calm down sooner or later ..

    In the course of the money there was written off a lot for them ... They (the US and the EU) need a reason. and God forbid, if an agreement with the EU is signed in Ukraine - the tanks will be introduced free of charge and NATO and the Americans to crush all those who are not "gay" .... and there are still more than half of them in Ukraine for sure !!!
  19. shark
    shark 28 November 2013 10: 50
    +3
    Everything in the "Danish kingdom" is muddy. It's like a forced marriage. Ukraine wants to live with adored Europe, but it’s dumb and will not have to marry anyone, but with pennies. Read for Russia. What ends such marriages is known. Or will walk to the left on weeding, or quietly behind the stove hiss with hatred ... Do we need it?
    They processed the brains of the Ukrainians. For almost 25 years they have been processing them. And the image of our country (in the view of the Ukrainians) is lower than the plinth. And the Asians and the Communists are not finished and drunk without exception. I want to ask why we pull them by force? Let them slurp ... on a full spoon. Again, if they themselves want to.
    But on an emotional level, it’s a shame of course that the European commissars will walk around and enjoy the new acquisition. Well, okay. They will answer again, even as they answer
  20. artifox
    artifox 28 November 2013 10: 59
    +2
    Most of all I like Ukrainian nationalists. While we were moving towards the signing of the association, they shouted that we did not need this. No, they did not shout that it was necessary to join the CU (perhaps a small part called for it, such as the Communist Party), but they were against the EU. But, as soon as it was announced that the signing of the agreement with the EU was suspended, it was almost the loudest shout that they would not be allowed into Europe ... I wonder - where is the logic?
  21. Captain Vrungel
    Captain Vrungel 28 November 2013 11: 07
    +2
    We'll live until Monday. It will become clear what awaits Ukraine. But one thing is clear. Rest only in our dreams. The springs of the power-people confrontation are twisted to the limit. Not everything is as simple and primitive as Leontyev outlined. The main thing is that the authorities do not provoke the masses, especially the youth. They already declare the next Maidan in Mezhyhirya. And how can it end? Yugoslavian autumn or Arabian spring. NATO has already announced that it is ready to provide assistance. Which one? By the giants? Stupid, short-sighted, playing in "effective politicking" Yuzev's bandyukovichs, where everything is built on nonsense, hypocrisy, cynicism, permissiveness and greed, with the people, according to their own definition, "kazlas that prevent them from living (Yanukovych) and" nothing decisive biomass " (Azarov) created this critical situation. The people are shocked by the nonsense and cynicism of Yanukovych and the “family.” They lied about the bright road to the EU, and held illegal meetings with VVP, bargaining for bonuses for their loved ones when joining the Customs Union.
    We will live until Monday. The main thing is not to get worse. Nowhere else to go. It’s not good for us to do in the EU with colonial traditions, in the Customs Union with imperial ambitions. We must live independently and independently, amicably surrounded by respectable neighbors, as in the old Odessa courtyard.
    1. MG42
      MG42 28 November 2013 14: 01
      0
      Quote: Captain Vrungel
      NATO has already stated that it is ready to provide assistance. Which one?

      "The signing of this agreement is primarily in the interests of Ukraine, as it contributes to the deepening of its relations with both the EU and NATO. Frankly, I was somewhat surprised by the decision made in Kiev, but I respect the choice of Ukraine and the way it wants to build relations. with the European Union and NATO, "Rasmussen said

      "I do not have detailed information about the dialogue between Kiev and Moscow, and this is not so important. We hope that Russia will also adhere to the principle that each state has the right to independently choose. We can offer such states to deepen cooperation, including in terms of security ", - said the NATO Secretary General.

      http://strelaua.com/vlast-ukraina/lider-gosudarstva-gotovyy-k-prinyatiyu-otvetst
      vennyh-resheniy-zasluzhivaet-uvazheniya.-i-naoborot.html
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  23. Stinger
    Stinger 28 November 2013 11: 27
    +3
    Captain Vrungel "We must live independently and independently"
    Correctly. Only it is necessary to be able to. And on their faces for a long time the expression of a squabbler, to whom something was not finished in the store.
  24. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 28 November 2013 11: 31
    +2
    But Svidomo even with ... s eyes ... It is strange that admitting the Lithuanian provocateur, no one wants to see that one of the conditions for Lithuania to join the EU was the destruction of the Ignalina NPP and depriving Lithuania of its own cheap e-va.
    Listening to Azarov and Yanukovych is so disgusting that it’s already turning up.
    Oh, it won't end well. It's a pity for the Little Russians, brothers. Again, as in the old days: "The pans are fighting, but the forelocks of the slaves are cracking."
    I'm afraid that after all these wobbles of Little Russia, there is not much shine in the CU, a very unreliable partner.
  25. Egoza
    Egoza 28 November 2013 11: 42
    +5
    A little off topic, but still joyful - once again the people of Ukraine, the United States broke off!
    Thanks to rallies and protests, they will not study animal viruses near Kharkov
    The Americans funded the construction of three laboratories
    Protests by residents of the village of Silk Station against the construction of a bacteriological laboratory with the money of the US Department of Defense have borne fruit.
    Yesterday, Governor Mikhail Dobkin said that they refused to build the laboratory. “Having analyzed the letters of the Ministry of Agrarian Policy in detail, having studied the position of sanitary doctors, I will say this: we will not build a bacteriological laboratory in Merefa,” Dobkin said.
    According to him, since 1993, the Americans have funded the construction of three laboratories, one of which is located in the region and covers all needs, so it was considered inappropriate to build another one.
    Recall, in the framework of the agreement between the Ukrainian Ministry of Health and the US Department of Defense, which was signed back in 2005, they planned to build a central reference laboratory for the study of animal viruses on the territory of the Institute of Experimental and Clinical Veterinary Medicine. But the decision caused a wave of indignation.
    Local residents besieged the offices of officials and even blocked traffic on the road, demanding a ban on construction. The residents of the village were frightened by the third laboratory safety level out of four possible, saying that this suggests that they will produce bio-weapons in the dungeons, as well as proximity to residential buildings.
    http://www.segodnya.ua/regions/kharkov/blagodarya-mitingam-i-protestam-izuchat-v
    irusy-zhivotnyh-pod-harkovom-ne-budut-478035.html
    XXXX
    They are silent here, but the residents at the rallies directly said that the "results" of the laboratory could be poured into the river that carries its waters to Russia. And they didn’t want such "gifts" either to themselves or to the Russians.
    1. Liss.
      Liss. 28 November 2013 13: 02
      +1
      Quote: Egoza
      agreements between the Ukrainian Ministry of Health and the US Department of Defense

      Good fighting pigeons of the world (US Department of Defense) were concerned about the health of Ukrainians (MZU).

      Before integration with the EU, good uncles made it clear how to behave.
      As with the natives.
      Only instead of glass beads the "leaders" got bucks.
      So what, these "leaders" (and ALL the priests, since 1993) will refuse to "recapture the grandmas" by placing "burial grounds", or from foreign military bases, selling cheaply their "non-aligned status" according to the Constitution of Ukraine?
      I am personally annoyed by a neighbor who is ready to rent out his living space.
      Not even under a gay club, but under the shelter of scumbag-terrorists.
      A very topic note.
  26. catapractic
    catapractic 28 November 2013 11: 42
    +3
    if God wants to punish a person, he robs his mind fool sometimes the whole people are deprived of the mind, and sometimes its passionary part.
    1. 123321
      123321 28 November 2013 14: 08
      +1
      Do not take the State Department things for the actions of the people.
  27. major071
    major071 28 November 2013 11: 47
    +5
    I am sure that Ukraine will be in Europe. The path is difficult, but they must walk it proudly. I trust the Ukrainian people. I believe you! I know that you love your country. And you will do everything for your children and grandchildren so that Ukraine is in Europe. For you! "- said the chairman of the Seimas of the Republic of Lithuania Loreta Grauzhinene.

    The circus arrived and all the clowns remained.
  28. 123321
    123321 28 November 2013 11: 57
    0
    Ukraine is our sister, comparable in power to Russia. And without her we are nobody. And the State Department knows that.
    1. Liss.
      Liss. 28 November 2013 13: 11
      +1
      Sister, well, very twisted in her 20s.
      Will we wait until it grows wiser?
      Or "walk up, calm down"?
  29. Egoza
    Egoza 28 November 2013 12: 39
    +1
    "For the Euromaidan in Kiev, unknown persons are preparing a large-scale provocation. For a fight on the Independence Square they hire people for 230 hryvnias per hour, reports Viktor Andrusiv, coordinator of the Euromaidan volunteer security."
    http://www.segodnya.ua/politics/pnews/evromaydan-2013-hronika-sobytiy-476791.htm
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    I wonder who these "unknowns" are? And each side will blame each other! am
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 28 November 2013 14: 21
      0
      Well, is it really difficult to analyze. who exposes monotonous bulls for a reasonable fee. Who runs behind the backs of the frogs (not the police, but the same one-forged, but in shape) with a nix. "titushki" they generally drove. But the gangster authorities have gangster methods. go to the General Staff and see what kind of feces have collected in power. They are told in their eyes that they are bandits from Pahatan "boor". They are no longer indignant and do not deny. They will hatch their eyes, open their black mouth and shit with a fountain. People without honor and conscience. They need to be allocated a place of compact residence in isolation from the people. Let them build a painted life with their own hands, and not parasitize on the neck of the people.
      God forbid the bandyukovichs will go to power provocations and power methods. Demolish. Do not have time to reach the toilet with full pants. VV will not go against the people, but they can defend themselves against bandits. Fulfilling his constitutional duty.
  30. Tartary
    Tartary 28 November 2013 12: 50
    +3
    I repeat once more ...
    So ... for pro forma -

    To create something grand, you need to come up with this grand and prepare ...
    I think that all this "Ukraine-EU" drums were invented long ago by Putin and Yanukovych ...
    Now the EU is beginning to understand how it’s really not easy to stand cancer ...))) and even with its back to the barbarians ...

    Otto von Bismarck spoke about the tricks of the Russians, and not only tricks, for example:
    - Do not hope that once using the weakness of Russia, you will receive dividends forever. Russians always come for their money. And when they come, don’t rely on the Jesuit agreements that you have signed, supposedly supporting you. They are not worth the paper on which they are written. Therefore, it is worth playing with the Russians honestly, or not at all.

    - The power of Russia can only be undermined by the separation of Ukraine from it ... it is necessary not only to tear off, but also to oppose Ukraine to Russia. To do this, you only need to find and nurture traitors among the elite and, with their help, change the self-awareness of one part of the great people to such an extent that they will hate everything Russian, hate their kind, without realizing it. Everything else is a matter of time.

    - Never plot anything against Russia - they will find their stupidity for any of our tricks.

    -Even the most favorable outcome of the war will never lead to the decomposition of the main power of Russia, which is based on millions of Russians ... These latter, even if they are divided by international treatises, are just as quickly reconnected with each other as particles of a cut piece of mercury ...

    Source: http://www.bugaga.ru/interesting/1146716904-otto-fon-bismark-o-rossii.html#ixzz2


    lu15fQ4P

    Every trollyatina, sometimes distortes the statements of the philosopher and statesman - Bismarck, and people hops, not bothering to look at the sources ...
    1. Liss.
      Liss. 28 November 2013 13: 28
      +1
      Quote: Tartary
      I think that all this "Ukraine-EU" drums were invented long ago by Putin and Yanukovych ...

      I would like to believe that we have such our foreign policy strategists Brzezinski.

      Quote: Tartary
      Now the EU is beginning to understand how it’s really not easy to stand cancer ...))) and even with its back to the barbarians ...

      Unfortunately, in this position the EU wanted to put both or two, Russia and Ukraine. Back to the "civilizers".
      Glad it hasn’t come out yet.
  31. MG42
    MG42 28 November 2013 13: 41
    +4
    Meanwhile, a petition on the White House website is rapidly gaining votes. per day, 50 votes for imposing sanctions personally on Yanukovych and the government of Ukraine. I just went in just to inquire and ofigel himself from this. belay Those. people offer the US State Department to interfere in the foreign policy of Ukraine and become an arbiter .. Here is a new screen shot clickable >>
  32. Mhpv
    Mhpv 28 November 2013 14: 29
    +3
    Let the areas suffering in the EU feel like an experiment in it and fulfill their requirements, and then look where they want:
    According to WikiLeaks, this list of reforms - recommendations to Ukraine includes the following:
    1. Raise the retirement age - by two years for men, by three - for women. Eliminate the right to early retirement and the principle of counting a year in two at hazardous enterprises.

    2. Eliminate the institution of special pension benefits, which are allocated to scientists, civil servants, managers of state enterprises. Limit pensions to working pensioners. Set the retirement age to army officers in 60 years.

    3. Increase the price of gas for municipal enterprises by 50%, twice for private consumers. Increase the cost of electricity by 40%. Allow pricing utilities. Allow price increases according to gas prices. Increase the excise on gasoline to 60 euros.

    4. Cancel benefits and increase transport taxes by 50%. Do not raise the cost of living, balance the social situation at the expense of point subsidies.

    5. Privatize all mines and abolish all subsidies. Cancel benefits for utilities, transport, and more. The abolition of state support for free food, textbooks.

    6. Limit the practice of simplified taxation. Abolish the practice of VAT exemption in rural areas. Oblige pharmacies and pharmacists to pay VAT.

    7. Cancel the moratorium on the sale of agricultural land. Eliminate subsidies for pork and chicken producers.

    8. Reduce the composition of ministries to 14. Leave only one deputy prime minister. To abolish the post of Minister of Cabinet Ministers. Subordinate all state bodies to ministries. The tax administration, customs, and the State Property Fund should be included in the Ministry of Finance.

    9. Limit excessive wages of public officials.

    10. Unemployment benefits should be accrued only after a minimum period of six months of work. Pay sick leave at the level of 70% of the salary, but not lower than the subsistence level. Pay sick leave only from the third day of illness.
  33. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 28 November 2013 15: 29
    +1
    "Partners" continue to go crazy.
    EU Commissioner assured Ukraine: this is not a choice between Russia and the EU, the proposal is still valid
    "The European Union (EU) is not asking Ukraine to abandon trade with Russia," says EU Development Commissioner Stefan Fule.
    "It's just not a choice between Russia and the European Union. Nobody is asking to abandon the agreement on traditional trade with Russia. It is completely normal practice when companies produce goods for different markets," Fule said on Thursday in Vilnius at the Eastern Partnership business forum.
    He claims that, for example, the automotive industry produces different cars in accordance with different market requirements, reports ru.DELFI.lt with reference to BNS.
    Fule noted that the decision of the Ukrainian authorities disappointed its citizens, and the country lost the opportunity to demonstrate to foreign investors that it was ready for modernization.
    “This is a disappointment not only for the EU, we believe that for the people of Ukraine as well. The signing of the most ambitious treaty that the EU has ever offered to a partner country would send a clear signal to investors around the world (…) that Ukraine is serious about the issue own modernization ", - said the representative of the European Commission.
    He assured that the EU is ready to sign an agreement if Ukraine is ready.
    "The offer is still in force. The Association Agreement will be ready for signing as soon as Ukraine is ready," Füle said.
    According to him, the agreement with the EU countries will bring great economic benefits to partner countries.
    "The agreement on associative membership of the new generation (...) will bring enormous economic benefits to every state," Füle says. "- http://rus.delfi.ee/daily/estonia/komissar-es-zaveril-ukrainu-eto-ne- vybor-mezhd
    u-rossiej-i-es-predlozhenie-vse-esche-v-sile.d? id = 67341826
  34. Mhpv
    Mhpv 28 November 2013 16: 32
    +3
    Here they are EuroMaidydyrs! Not to be confused with the rest of the people.
  35. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 28 November 2013 20: 59
    +2
    And Russia is all the same .. That Ukraine will pay for the EU (it will have to spend money on strengthening the borders and restructuring of industries interconnected with Ukraine ..) That Russia will have to spend money again and a lot of "friendship" now costs Russia very dearly .. We have taught everyone that Russia everyone and everything should .. And in Russia, the majority of the population lives in poverty with the hope that soon we will get stronger and heal as in the good old days .. Proud of our country and confident in the future ..! Russia is turning into a cash cow .. But all the same I am sure that soon it will stop the boiling point is already close and then the brothers do not blame me .. Let's remember everything and take all the money and kick it for betrayal and so just in case .. This prostitution is already tired. Where is the sincere friendship and mutual assistance? Russia and one can not live badly, we are a country of self-sufficiency .. Here are the things .. It's just a shame guys something! For our money, we are humiliated by former "brotherly" and not brotherly ones. I'm not talking about everyone, of course, and yet .. There is something to think about (again we are stepping on the old rake) Something I threw out emotions today .. repeat
    1. shark
      shark 29 November 2013 09: 19
      0
      A little superficial judgment. If we want to become a power, and not a third world country, we have to pay. And pay a lot. And Ukraine as well. But I completely agree with you. We are tearing ourselves away, and they are taking our money and vilify. This is not nice, damn it.
  36. voliador
    voliador 28 November 2013 23: 24
    +1
    Well, hold on, Ukraine ...