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Scotland on the road to independence

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Edinburgh is seriously counting on the success of the independence referendum, which will make it possible to create an independent state in 2016. November 26 in Scotland unveiled an 670-page independence plan ("White Paper"). "Most important in stories the nation over the past 700 years "the document aims to reverse public opinion in this region of the United Kingdom. Until now, those wishing to remain under the rule of the British crown are little more than supporters of independence. So, according to the latest polls, 38% of Scots support complete independence, while 47% want to stay in the United Kingdom. Among the opponents of the branch is dominated by supporters of broad autonomy. According to experts, the chances of secession of Scotland are small, especially if for the period remaining before the referendum something exceptional does not happen. Most likely, the Scottish separatists will get rid of another concession from London.


Scotland on the road to independence


The referendum is scheduled for September 18 2014. There is only one question in the document: “Should Scotland become an independent country?” There are only two answers: “Yes” and “No”. If it is successful 24 March 2016, the Scottish state will appear on the political map of the world.

March 24 date is not chosen randomly. On this day, 1603 was concluded by the "Union of Crown", which united England and Scotland into a dynastic union. In 1603, Queen Elizabeth I died, and the Scottish king, James VI, became her heir. Dynastic union rules between the two states in the period from 1603 to 1653 year (when the monarchy was officially abolished), and from 1659 year to the unification of the two countries in 1707 year. England and Scotland at that time were headed by one monarch, but formally remained independent states. During the dictatorship of Oliver Cromwell, the complete state merger of England and Scotland was announced, but under Charles II Stewart, Scottish sovereignty was restored. In 1707, the Union Act came into force. England and Scotland merged into a single state - the UK.

Until now, the main argument of the opponents of Scottish independence was that the nationalists in power did not know what to do with freedom in the event of independence. The document entitled “The Scottish Future: Your Guide to Independent Scotland” gives a detailed answer to this question. The head of the Scottish government, Alex Salmond, promises to build a more equitable state after independence. In his opinion, Scotland will take 8-th place in terms of GDP per capita among the 34 countries of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. For comparison: England will occupy the 17-place. Independent Scotland will create a national armed forces, its own tax system. Large hydrocarbon reserves and a relatively small population (5,2 million) will make it possible to successfully develop the economy for half a century.

Earlier, the British Ministry of Finance warned that in the event of the separation of the northern region of Great Britain, the annual income tax for each Scotsman could increase to 1 thousand euros. The Scottish government has assured that this will not happen. Moreover, the authorities will cancel the so-called. "Tax on the bedroom", which is charged to the owners of apartments, where living rooms more than family members. The Scots promised to increase pensions, reduce energy costs and improve the system of preschool education. The government also plans to save money on the closure of the Faslin nuclear submarine base in the Gar Lough Bay at the mouth of the Clyde River and the nuclear arsenal weapons in the nearby bay of Loch Long. I must say that the question of the elimination of the submarine base is very annoying to London. Build a new base is too expensive, and time is needed. There was even a proposal to declare the base a sovereign British territory, following the example of the British bases in Cyprus. This message caused an uproar in Edinburgh.

However, the Scottish authorities do not want a complete break. In particular, the Scottish Prime Minister said that the new state plans to remain in the zone of the British pound sterling and retain membership in the European Union. True, the Secretary of State of the British Government for Scotland, Alistair Carmichael, said that Edinburgh would likely have to leave the pound zone, becoming independent. The idea of ​​a monetary union with independent Scotland is in doubt. British Foreign Secretary William Hague said that the withdrawal of Scotland from the United Kingdom will also lead to the withdrawal of organizations of which the United Kingdom is a member, including the European Union. European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso actually played alongside London, saying that if Scotland declared independence, Edinburgh would have to apply for EU membership and hold bilateral talks with each EU member. Clearly, including the UK. Thus, London warned Edinburgh about the consequences of the gap. Another negative consequence is the deterioration of security. Scotland will have to form the armed forces and special services, and this will not be done in one month.

According to the Scottish authorities, Scotland will remain in the zone of free movement that currently operates between Britain and Ireland, which will minimize the frontier formalities on the territory of the former United Kingdom. Salmond positively looks at the accession of Scotland to NATO. On the question of the form of government, the prevailing view is to remain in the British Union, that is, the British monarch will continue to be the formal head of Scotland, as in Australia, New Zealand and Canada. The question of the abolition of the monarchy and the approval of the republic is secondary to the issue of independence. They say that we will get independence, and then we will look into the question of whether a republic is necessary or not.

It should be said, at the household level, the British and the Scots dislike each other. The Scots remember the centuries-old confrontation, the victories of King Robert I Bruce, the leader of the Scots in the war for independence from England, William Wallace is revered as a national hero. The British emphasize that Scotland is a chronically subsidized region, let it be said to be rolling. In particular, in the UK, they advocate secession of Scotland up to 32% of respondents, they are mainly supporters of the Liberal Democrats and Labor. Conservatives against secession of Scotland.

The idea of ​​restoring independence to Scotland has been cultivated since the middle of the XIX century. In 1934, the Scottish National Party was established. She remained for a long time on the outskirts of political life. Only in the 1970-ies the idea of ​​independence gained an economic basis - they began to develop hydrocarbon production infrastructure off the Scottish coast on the shelf of the North Sea. The national party has significantly strengthened its position. However, all attempts to create a separate Scottish parliament failed. Only in the 1997 year, when the Labor Party, wishing to get the support of the Scots, put forward the slogan of reconstructing the Scottish parliament at the national elections, this step was taken. The government of Tony Blair agreed to a new referendum, and supporters won the creation of a separate Scottish parliament. In the spring of 1999, elections and the opening of the Scottish Parliament were held.

In 2007, the National Party won a majority (47 of 127 seats) in the Scottish Parliament. In 2011, success was consolidated - 69 from 129 locations. Having formed a coalition with the Scottish Greens, the SNP received the right to form an executive branch. The first minister was the leader of the National Party, Alex Salmond. One of his first steps in this post was a proposal to hold a referendum on the independence of Scotland in 2014.

A feature of the Scottish National Party is that its political platform is based on European Social-Democracy. Scottish nationalists are not associated with a wave of anti-migrant and Islamophobic sentiments in Europe. The SNP, on the contrary, emphasizes the commitment to the idea of ​​multiculturalism and does not support London in its policy of “tightening the screws” towards migrants. Scottish nationalists emphasize that they are in favor of the development of multiculturalism policies. The party actively supports people of other nationalities and religions. So, the Muslim Humza Yusaf even went to the second number in the party list in the last election. In this regard, Scottish nationalists are part of European social democracy, which has strong positions in the bureaucracy of the European Union. Their nationalism is in confrontation with London, not in restricting the wave of migrants. On the other hand, in Scotland, there is no serious problem with immigrants. The Scots are up to 88% of the population of this region of the United Kingdom, another 7% - the British. Irish, Poles, Pakistanis, Indians, Chinese, and Afro-descendants are a small minority.

The benchmark for Scottish nationalists is Scandinavian countries. The ideal for them is the Scandinavian model (the Swedish model) with its idea of ​​the “welfare state”, large state redistribution of national wealth, extensive social benefits, low corruption, strong trade union movement, developed partnership between employers, trade unions and the government, high costs for education and medicine, etc. Already in Scotland, unlike in England, higher education is completely free, medical services are more accessible, etc. However, the SNP considers that this nly the beginning, and accuses London that he puts a spoke in the wheel in the process of building "socialism of the Scottish." In particular, Edinburgh is not allowed to introduce a progressive tax scale, not allowing to distribute income from the rich to the poor. Another serious separatist claim to London is that Scotland gives to the UK budget more than it gets back. This already brings the Scottish nationalists together with other European separatists, for example, Catalan.

The proximity of the National Party to the social democratic movement emphasizes their alliance with the Scottish Green Party and the Scottish Socialist Party. They are the main allies of the nationalists on the secession of Scotland. Scotland itself is traditionally a left-wing region, for a long time it was the stronghold of Labor. Conservatives advocating the unity of the United Kingdom and right-wing economic policies have no strong position in Scotland.
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  1. Denis
    Denis 28 November 2013 07: 33
    13
    In 1934, the Scottish National Party was established.
    She should be allowed to open a representative office in Russia and morally support
    So that everyone knows how to ... at home
    1. strannik595
      strannik595 28 November 2013 09: 26
      14
      hi from Serbia guys! ... now you have exceptional case in world jurisprudence? ... has come back to you, did not expect that so soon? I think that South Ossetia and Abkhazia were not the last answer of Russia and we have a chance to once again plunge the British government into its own ambrosia
      1. Canep
        Canep 28 November 2013 09: 42
        11
        Great Britain, along with the United States, is responsible for the collapse of the USSR (the labeled one and his woman were probably recruited in London). Everything needs to be done to make Scotland independent. Already wrote to Lavrov, you need to find time and go to Edinburgh and talk with local people than you can help them.
        1. Canep
          Canep 28 November 2013 10: 53
          +3
          A typo came out:
          Quote: Canep
          Already wrote: Lavrov needs to find

          And then you think that I am giving orders to the Minister of Foreign Affairs. laughing
          1. Ram chandra
            Ram chandra 28 November 2013 22: 21
            -1
            Comrade Putin, are you ?!
        2. rodevaan
          rodevaan 28 November 2013 16: 33
          +1
          Quote: Canep
          Already wrote to Lavrov, you need to find time and go to Edinburgh and talk with local people than you can help them.


          - And how is he? I hope he understood everything?
        3. Igor39
          Igor39 28 November 2013 17: 59
          +1
          Long live independent Scotland !!!!! smile
    2. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 28 November 2013 10: 43
      +4
      Quote: Denis
      She should be allowed to open a representative office in Russia and be morally supported so that they would know how to ... welcome


      It is high time, as well as freedom fighters for the natives of America and other splinters in the seats of arrogant Saxons and their hyenas.
      1. Denis
        Denis 28 November 2013 14: 00
        +1
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        It's time
        Can a letter like Makarevich about corruption write to Putin?
        But he doesn’t know wink
        1. Patriot
          Patriot 1 December 2013 18: 34
          0
          he knows everything, don’t think that the head of state in ignorance knows more than ours in the media, not everyone writes
    3. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 28 November 2013 10: 44
      +5
      What does it mean to "support morally." Immediately send there our best experts on the independence and development of countries. Only a redhead, all the weh in full force, radio ehu, makarevich, svanidzu with a posner, master, serdyukov. Put an iPhone in charge and give him a marked bear as a substitute. Let them learn what and how to do the right thing with freedom. They will reveal the subject of the horrors of Elizabethanism, and equate the Scottish shooters with the Nazis. And in general, the guys are experienced, they are stagnant, I think they will please with new products.
      1. Orik
        Orik 28 November 2013 12: 27
        +3
        crying sorry for the scots, they are people ...
        1. Patriot
          Patriot 1 December 2013 18: 36
          0
          and that they feel sorry for us then they do not spare only and dream of destroying us
  2. makarov
    makarov 28 November 2013 07: 39
    +4
    Let them do what they want. They also have enough fools and mediocrities there, they probably have their own "Gaidars", "Chubais", "Yeltsin", "Berezovskie" and others like that. Maybe they will set something up.
    1. avg
      avg 28 November 2013 14: 42
      +2
      They also have enough fools and mediocrities there, they probably have their own "Gaidars", "Chubais" ...

      Still, you need to help. Imagine an article in the Times: "Chubais, waving a box from a photocopier, declared Lizaveta a common property, privatized Buckingham Palace and is already selling it to Abramovich" It's a trifle, but nice, damn it! laughing
  3. Gav-111
    Gav-111 28 November 2013 08: 11
    14
    Down with the Queen’s bloody regime! Freedom to the Scottish Highlanders! bully
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 28 November 2013 12: 43
      +3
      Quote: GAV-111
      Freedom to the Scottish Highlanders!

      Signature - Duncan MacLeod? laughing
      1. alone
        alone 28 November 2013 20: 54
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        Signature - Duncan MacLeod?


        no, William Wallace !! wassat
      2. Serg 122
        Serg 122 28 November 2013 21: 12
        +1
        Their mountaineers from ours! Bolshoooy, with a brush !!! wassat
  4. Megatron
    Megatron 28 November 2013 08: 14
    +6
    I understand them, tired of the dominance (liberal) of pedagogy, and all sorts of different blackness.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 28 November 2013 09: 05
      +5
      quote-Edinburgh seriously counts on the success of the referendum on independence, which will create an independent state already in the 2016 year.

      The leadership of the Russian Federation needs to seriously think assignment of a place for construction or allocation of a building for the Scottish Embassy in the Russian Federation. good
      1. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 28 November 2013 10: 53
        +3
        The leadership of the Russian Federation is simply obliged to inform the Scottish representatives that they have a legal right to a share in the British embassies, even if they begin to divide.
      2. Muadipus
        Muadipus 28 November 2013 12: 56
        +1
        The leadership of the Russian Federation needs to seriously consider allocating space for construction or allocating a building for the Scottish embassy in the Russian Federation. good
        Not to think, but to declare the readiness to provide a place, and that our doors are always open for them, to promise to provide full assistance in building an independent democratic state. To say that at these moments each of us is a little Scot, and that we with all our hearts hope that the shackles of imperialism will soon fall from the long-suffering people of Scotland ... (in general, everything is according to McCain). I think that such guarantees in an understandable "democratic" language will definitely increase the number of supporters of independence.

        Give free Scotland! Hurray!
      3. Horde
        Horde 28 November 2013 19: 28
        +1
        Quote: Apollon
        The leadership of the Russian Federation needs to seriously consider allocating space for construction or allocating a building for the Scottish embassy in the Russian Federation.


        I think the leadership of the Russian Federation should seriously think about building a MILITARY BASE in FRIENDLY SCOTLAND laughing
        1. Serg 122
          Serg 122 28 November 2013 21: 18
          +1
          I think the leadership of the Russian Federation should seriously think about building a MILITARY BASE in FRIENDLY SCOTLAND
          Yeah, preferably with the possibility of landing aircraft like Tu - 160 ....
      4. Serg 122
        Serg 122 28 November 2013 21: 16
        0
        Yeah, in Milk Lane ... laughing
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 28 November 2013 12: 45
      +1
      Quote: Megatron
      tired of the dominance (liberal) of pedagogy, and all sorts of different blackness.

      Well, the Scots walk in kilts! And underpants in national clothes are not provided! repeat So they began to fear! Recently, they have been hunted for! wink
  5. Stiletto
    Stiletto 28 November 2013 09: 13
    +7
    Something, by the way, was still quiet in Ireland repeat
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 28 November 2013 21: 19
      +1
      Waiting for its turn!
  6. Clegg
    Clegg 28 November 2013 09: 28
    +2
    In principle, I am opposed to interference in the internal affairs of other states, but the British (unlike the Spaniards) once again proved their greatness, giving the Scots the right to self-determination.

    I already wrote about this, but I repeat. I was fortunate enough to talk with a Scot about this subject, she is against and hate Alex Salmond (leader of the ShNP). Says hardly Scotland will become independent.

    In any case, the choice is up to the Scots. We must respectfully accept their choice.
  7. JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 28 November 2013 09: 44
    +2
    Open a dozen NGOs in Scotland. It’s good to finance them and you look at the beginning of the referendum of those who want independence, there will be much more people who want to leave everything as it is.
    It is necessary to beat detractors with their own weapons and according to their own technology. Maybe a miracle will happen someday and they will think about the fact that all their problems are only from themselves.
    Yes, and in Texas you can open a couple of NCOs .... it won’t hurt.
    1. core
      core 28 November 2013 10: 33
      0
      I have bitten it with NGOs, in the states this topic will not work, the bulk of the Inkoshniks will immediately go to hard labor. they cherish their country.
  8. morpogr
    morpogr 28 November 2013 09: 51
    +1
    It is necessary to announce at the mid-level that we support the desire of Scotland for independence. And if they elect independence in a referendum, Russia will officially recognize the state of Scotland.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 28 November 2013 12: 48
      +1
      Quote: morpogr
      Must be voiced at mid level

      And immediately there will be screams about the "hand of Moscow" and its "imperial ambitions"!
      They think that they will not be accepted in the EU? Well, free, let them sign up in the vehicle! That would be a bomb!
    2. Gecko
      Gecko 28 November 2013 12: 55
      0
      It will still remain in the orbit of EU influence.
  9. Wolland
    Wolland 28 November 2013 10: 29
    +5
    APPLAUSE! THIS IS WHERE SPRING IS THAT !!! in the "GREAT BRITAIN" !!!!
  10. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 28 November 2013 11: 29
    +2
    Yeah, independence ... Right now. stop What kind of independence, if, as they wrote in one of the neighboring topics, the British pound will remain the currency, and the Queen of England will remain the head of state? request
    This reminds me of the post-war game of the USSR in "independence", in an attempt to get more votes in the UN No.
    1. Stiletto
      Stiletto 28 November 2013 11: 55
      +3
      Quote: Landwarrior
      What kind of independence, if, as they wrote in one of the neighboring topics, the British pound will remain the currency, and the Queen of England will remain the head of state?


      That is true, but after a few years a big lover of glamorous hats (the Queen of England) may be prohibited from appearing in public without a hijab. Well, if, of course, he survives.
      1. Landwarrior
        Landwarrior 28 November 2013 13: 00
        +2
        Quote: Stiletto
        Queen of England) may be prohibited from appearing in public without a hijab.

        And then the situation: "Who is to blame? -Nobody!" am
        At one time, the Britons pretended to let go of all the colonies. Instead, they created a cunning structure called the "Commonwealth of Nations", the head of which is ... That's right, the Queen of Great Britain laughing
        Well, then everything is simple - we look at the flags of the member countries of this Commonwealth and their main religions - and it becomes clear wink If you try to assimilate other countries for a long time, other countries will begin to assimilate you laughing
        By the way, the fact that the Scottes are going to leave the pound and the queen just says that they do not intend to leave the Commonwealth. yes
  11. Orik
    Orik 28 November 2013 12: 31
    +3
    The United Kingdom deserved a similar collapse, but separating the British pound is ridiculous.
    1. avg
      avg 28 November 2013 14: 50
      +2
      ... separating the British pound is ridiculous.
      The Scots simply remembered well: "The main thing is to start, and then we'll go!" yes
  12. Humpty
    Humpty 28 November 2013 14: 11
    +1
    The brutes are not shy in expressions, if someone accidentally calls them English. The Catalan has a grimace on his face, if you call him a Spaniard. They live in such a "harmony".
    1. Stiletto
      Stiletto 28 November 2013 16: 15
      0
      Quote: Humpty
      The brutes are not shy in expressions, if someone accidentally calls them English. The Catalan has a grimace on his face, if you call him a Spaniard. They live in such a "harmony".



      Brother -2: "I was taught this way at school - there are Germans in Germany, Chinese in China, Jews in Israel, and Negroes in Africa"
    2. Clegg
      Clegg 28 November 2013 17: 14
      +2
      Quote: Humpty
      The cattle are not shy in expressions, if anyone accidentally calls them English.

      good to invent stories
      1. Humpty
        Humpty 28 November 2013 17: 24
        +2
        What I see with my own eyes, I write. Like akyn.
  13. Wolland
    Wolland 28 November 2013 14: 35
    -3
    NO FLORENTIAN OR NI-POLITIAN WILL NEVER CALL IT HIMSELF ITALIAN, EVERYONE EMPHASISTS THEIR TRUE STATE, ITALY A SIMPLE EXAMPLE TO THIS, WELL THERE DO NOT HAVE ANY PEOPLE SPIRIT.

    THE SPIRIT OF VICTORY, POWER, AND Sovereignty WAS IN THE GREAT SOVIET UNION, IN WHICH WERE DIGNITY, LABOR, JUSTICE.
  14. Criceta
    Criceta 28 November 2013 15: 25
    0
    Some kind of double standards among our patriots. When it comes to separatists in Scotland, everyone throws up their caps, rejoices and anticipates: "Wow, now we'll live ...". At the same time, no one properly evaluates London's consent to the very fact of such a referendum.
    And when separatist sentiments begin in Siberia, in Ingermanland, in the Far East, etc., shouts are immediately heard: "Traitors, do not allow the scoundrels to be tried ..."
    You would have decided what is good and what is bad.
    For the integrity of Russia, the separation of Scotland would not be the best precedent.
    1. rodevaan
      rodevaan 28 November 2013 15: 59
      +2
      Quote: Сriceta
      Some kind of double standards among our patriots. When it comes to separatists in Scotland, everyone throws up their caps, rejoices and anticipates: "Wow, now we'll live ...". At the same time, no one properly evaluates London's consent to the very fact of such a referendum.
      And when separatist sentiments begin in Siberia, in Ingermanland, in the Far East, etc., shouts are immediately heard: "Traitors, do not allow the scoundrels to be tried ..."
      You would have decided what is good and what is bad.
      For the integrity of Russia, the separation of Scotland would not be the best precedent.


      - How can I tell you - if it is directly, openly and intolerant, for there is nothing to tolerate with the enemies - "partners" - we will beat the enemy with his own weapon - that is, with double standards! Calls for division and dismemberment of our country must be punished and suppressed! But this should in no way apply to calls for division and chaos in unfriendly countries, which is Small Britain for us. Since they are pursuing such a policy, why shouldn't we do the same? We will take an example from them, I see nothing shameful.
      Yes, - we have scouts, and they have spies.
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      2. Criceta
        Criceta 28 November 2013 16: 41
        +1
        Only a very narrow-minded person does not understand how the separation of Scotland will hiccup in Russia.
        Our country is heavily integrated into world processes and is not able to spit on the opinion of the world community, as though individual patriotic movements would not like it. And if after the separation of Scotland, any of the regions of Russia begins to declare the need for such a referendum, it is very doubtful that our leaders will be able to ignore the pressure from the UN, human rights organizations, etc. And given that such a precedent will already be created in the world ... Not some Kosovo or Abkhazia with South Ossetia, but the very cradle of democracy.
        In short, it will be fun.
        Although I am sure Scotland will not separate anywhere and the referendum will end with a confident victory for supporters of a single country, all polls speak of this.
        1. Criceta
          Criceta 28 November 2013 16: 55
          +2
          The very fact of such a referendum in Great Britain, even with the loss of supporters of the separation, is simply enormous support for the separatist movements around the world.
    2. Clegg
      Clegg 28 November 2013 19: 07
      +2
      Criceta

      Finally I waited for a reasonable comment. Respect for honesty!
  15. rodevaan
    rodevaan 28 November 2013 15: 57
    +2
    Scotland on the road to independence

    - GREAT NEWS! Alex Salmond! A huge number of Russians support the desire of the proud and original Scottish people to independence from a long-standing and bloody enemy who has ruined Scotland for centuries! The Scottish people are obliged to support and successfully complete the aspirations and undertakings of their great ancestors and national heroes - William Wallace and Robert Bruce, who fought against the British invaders by all possible means, and finally put a bullet in the historical cause of independence!
    Irish patriots will pick up your historical act with enthusiasm, and who knows, perhaps the centuries-long struggle of the Irish against the bloody Aglitsky executioners will also finally end with the separation of Northern Ireland.

  16. avg
    avg 28 November 2013 16: 02
    +1
    Some double standards in our patriots.

    Obviously your patriots on another site are tousling. But about the standards - right, they have exactly double standards.
    1. Criceta
      Criceta 28 November 2013 16: 50
      0
      What else do you call? Here the majority advocates the separation of Scotland from the principle - I do not care that my cow is dead, the main thing is that my neighbor has two.
      1. rodevaan
        rodevaan 28 November 2013 16: 59
        +1
        Quote: Сriceta
        What else do you call? Here the majority advocates the separation of Scotland from the principle - I do not care that my cow is dead, the main thing is that my neighbor has two.


        “Yes, it’s just all these Zapadoids, and especially the Anglo-Saxons,” who already got it with their cave Russophobia, hatred, eternal wiles-wars-crises and other orange revolutions-ogalings against our country and our people — that any failure of them causes just satisfaction. Damn him, that my cow was dead, but if pestilence went even worse on them, then I am for! Because I know for 100, they will clap their hands if there is a reverse situation!

        Read their press! What a piggy squeal and puppy delight causes the extinction of the Russian nation (although they themselves are dying out even faster!), Corruption in our government, decay of our army. They have bandits, terrorists who blow up Russian people in the metro - they are just "freedom fighters", and the Irishmen who blow up their metro for the same purposes are already evil terrorists.
        So how do I relate to such enemies? Love and favor them or what? How do I feel about a country that wants my country and my people troubles, misfortunes, wars and cataclysms?

        No need to pretend to be good lambs, and say that they are kind, fluffy - they will give a lot to us as a country and as a people to disappear! If you drip a little deeper - then they always crap into our backs stealthily. So why then should I such an anti-Russian state sympathize or not rejoice in their failures? Explain to me? Nobility? But forgive me - they somehow never showed nobility to the Russians, although they screamed to everyone what civilized they are - then why should I show it to outright enemies?
        1. Criceta
          Criceta 28 November 2013 17: 21
          +1
          Because in this case, it is not more profitable for Russia to secede from Scotland than to secession it.
          1. rodevaan
            rodevaan 28 November 2013 17: 34
            0
            What is more profitable?
            1. Criceta
              Criceta 28 November 2013 17: 57
              0
              Do not set a precedent.
              1. rodevaan
                rodevaan 29 November 2013 03: 31
                +1
                Quote: Сriceta
                Do not set a precedent.


                - The precedent has already been created and for a long time. Hands of the Anglo-Saxons themselves. When Serbia was torn to pieces, no one thought about subsequent precedents. We sang all sorts of Geyropei folk tales about some incomprehensible and exceptional case (although such cases in the Anglo-Saxons have long been no exception, but the rule). And we warned! Already then. Now let them get out.
      2. avg
        avg 28 November 2013 17: 53
        0
        Some kind of double standards among our patriots. When it comes to separatists in Scotland, everyone throws up their caps, rejoices and anticipates: "Wow, now we'll live ..." And what else to call you? Here the majority advocate for the separation of Scotland on the basis of the principle - I don't care that my cow is dead, the main thing is that my neighbor has two.

        It's just that here, basically, it's patriots. There are many military men, and the old school, and the slogan "Turn the other cheek" does not work here. But when, g. the British are beginning to learn the meaning of the words of their fellow countryman R. Stevenson "He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones at others", then it pleases. hi
  17. Arget
    Arget 28 November 2013 16: 22
    +1
    I have a feeling of déjà vu: I think I saw this article about six months ago
  18. liberty
    liberty 28 November 2013 16: 38
    +1
    If Scotland gains independence, I pity the Irish. The British will cling to Northern Ireland like never before, and they will certainly not give it to their neighbor.
    1. rodevaan
      rodevaan 28 November 2013 16: 56
      +1
      - We’ll see more ....
  19. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 28 November 2013 17: 19
    +1
    Great Britain will not allow the split of its island union. Yes, certain marginal thoughts about separatism are present (it would be strange if they were not), but Scottish nationalism, alas, will not be able to overpower English imperialism (too much --- on the way out). as an election campaign tool, the topic of separation is the very thing. Always with warmth belonged to the Bearskins, Scottish soldiers, guards. These guys know why they live hi
  20. EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 28 November 2013 17: 49
    0
    It will be a miracle, I do not believe.
  21. FormerMariman
    FormerMariman 28 November 2013 18: 47
    0
    As if by chance, everyone did not notice that only 38% of Scots support full independence, and according to other sources in general 30% (http://www.rosbalt.ru/main/2012/09/26/1039077.html)! Early wishful thinking!
  22. samoletil18
    samoletil18 28 November 2013 19: 21
    +3
    Ready to uphold the legal right to self-determination of the peoples of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland! fellow good drinks
  23. GUSAR
    GUSAR 28 November 2013 20: 30
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    "Scotland Towards Independence" - nothing will happen
  24. Leshka
    Leshka 28 November 2013 20: 39
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    then piss off
  25. alone
    alone 28 November 2013 20: 57
    +1
    )) who believes in the independence of Scotland, then he does not know English diplomacy))
  26. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 28 November 2013 21: 40
    +1
    If Scotland becomes independent and is not accepted into the European Union and NATO, Scotland should be invited to the EurAsEC and the CSTO.
  27. propolsky
    propolsky 28 November 2013 22: 12
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    So what will England think to keep Scotland in a strong embrace? The situation is, oh, how delicate, today - Scotland, but there is also Wales, not to mention Ireland! As the classic said: "Let the storm break out stronger!"
  28. Sax
    Sax 28 November 2013 23: 10
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    Quote: propolsky
    So what will England think to keep Scotland in a strong embrace? The situation is, oh, how delicate, today - Scotland, but there is also Wales, not to mention Ireland! As the classic said: "Let the storm break out stronger!"


    And what to think up, you just need to turn to the experience of Russia. How is the situation in Chechnya, Dagistan, Tatarstan?
  29. -Patriot-
    -Patriot- 1 December 2013 21: 10
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    They don’t want, I think, it’s so easy for them to separate Scotland from themselves ... And even with hydrocarbons ...