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Did the countdown go? China said it would stop saving American dollars

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Did the countdown go? China said it would stop saving American dollars



China blew up a real bomb, but the mainstream media in the US almost completely ignored it. The Central Bank of China decided that "the accumulation of foreign currency no longer meets the interests of China." In the third quarter of 2013, the Chinese foreign exchange reserves were approximately $ 3.66 trillion. And, of course, most of them consist of American dollars. Over the years, China has been accumulating dollars and has been trying very hard to keep the high value of the dollar and the low cost of the yuan. One of the goals of this was to reduce the price of Chinese goods on the world market. However, China has now announced that it is time to stop accumulating American dollars. And if this is actually the case, then many American analysts suggest that China will soon cease to buy American debts. It is hardly necessary to say that all this is extremely bad for the United States.

For many years, China has systematically maintained the value of the US dollar and kept the yuan at a much lower level. This has led to a massive influx of super-cheap goods from the Pacific region to the great delight of American consumers. For example, if you ever went to a store where all goods are sold for one dollar, have you thought about how someone manages to make a profit by producing these goods and selling them for just one dollar?

The truth is that if you turn these goods around, you will see that they are all manufactured outside the United States. In fact, if you are a typical American, then the words “made in China” are most likely written on almost everything that is in your home.

Thanks to our massively unbalanced trade with China, tens of thousands of enterprises, millions of jobs, and trillions of our dollars flowed out of the country and crossed over to China, left our country.

And now, China has obviously decided that it’s already impossible to give a good deal of our economy and it’s time to let the dollar roll. As I said above, China announced that it was going to stop accumulating foreign exchange reserves ...

The People’s Bank of China says foreign currency assets no longer bring benefits to his country, which is another sign that policy makers will manage to buy dollars that hold back the appreciation of the yuan.

“It is no longer in the interest of China to accumulate foreign currency reserves,” said Yi Gang, deputy head of the Central Bank, yesterday at the China Economists 50 Forum at Tsinghua University. Monetary authorities "mainly" will stop the usual interventions in the foreign exchange market and expand the daily corridor of the yuan, wrote Central Bank director Zhou Xiaochuan in an article explaining the reform decisions made last week after the Communist Party congress. Neither Gan nor Xiaochuan indicated a time frame for these changes.

This will not happen in a day, but the cost of the American dollar will go down, and all the cheap junk that you used to buy in Walmart and in stores of the same price will become much more expensive.

But, of course, this last step of China is much more important for the debt of the US government. Most Americans have heard that we are very dependent on other countries, such as China, which lend us money. At present, China owns almost 1.3 trillion dollars of our debt. Unfortunately, as CNBC notes, if China wants to stop storing our dollars, there is a chance that they will also stop accumulating our debts.

Analysts view this move as a sign that the People’s Bank of China is hinting that it will allow its currency to fluctuate without intervention by the bank, thereby eliminating the need to hold large dollar reserves. And if the dollar is no longer needed, the bank may consider reducing the acquisition of assets denominated in US dollars, such as Treasury bonds.

"If they intend to reduce acquisitions in the future, then yes, try to find someone who will become a marginal buyer," said Richard McGwire, chief strategist for exchange rates in Rabobank, told CNBC in an interview.

"The Federal Reserve is manipulating bond purchases, and in addition it could potentially lead to a bearish forecast for Treasurys US Treasury bonds."

So who will buy all our debt?

This is a very good question.

If the Fed begins to manipulate treasury acquisitions, and China stops buying our debt, who will fill the resulting void?

If the demand for government securities falls, it will cause a significant increase in interest rates. And if they grow significantly from the current level, this will lead to the beginning of that nightmarish scenario, which I am constantly talking about.

In a previous article titled "How China Can Slay the Dollar and the Entire Financial System of the USA", "I described how China can do enormous damage to the US economy alone."

The volume of Chinese trade is the largest in the world, and the Chinese have accumulated more debt than any other country. If China starts dumping our dollars and our debt, then most of the planet will follow its example, and we will have a lot of torment.

And just this week, another important one sounded. news that China is preparing to take a major step against the US dollar. According to Reuters, Crude oil futures on the Shanghai Futures Exchange may soon begin to be valued in RMB ...

The Shanghai Futures Exchange (Shanghai Futures Exchange - SHFE) can begin to evaluate all its contracts for crude oil in RMB and use medium-sulfur oil as a reference, the exchange president said on Thursday and added that they accelerated the preparatory work for obtaining regulatory approval.

China, which overtook the US in September and became the largest oil importer in the world, hopes that these contracts will become a standard in Asia, and said that it will allow foreigners to enter into contracts without creating local units.

If this actually happens, it will be a landmark event.

China is the main consumer of oil in the world, and it was just a matter of time when they would challenge petrodollar.

But even I did not think that something like that would happen so soon.

The world is changing, and most Americans have no idea what this will mean to them. When the demand for US dollars and bonds drops, the goods that we buy in the store will cost much more, our standard of living will decrease, and it will be much more difficult for each of us (including the US government) to borrow money.

Unfortunately, at the moment it is hardly possible to do something about this. When it comes to the economy, China plays chess and the United States plays checkers. And the consequences of the stupid decisions that have been made over many decades are now beginning to reach us.

The fake prosperity that most Americans enjoy today will soon begin to fade, and most of them will not know why this is happening.

The coming years will be very difficult, and I hope you are preparing for this.
21 November 2013.
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  1. mirag2
    mirag2 28 November 2013 06: 43
    62
    Lord, it happened. What is it? The asymmetric response of China to the United States to violate its airspace?
    Yes, Obama correctly attended to the problem of the Pacific region instead of BV.
    1. karal
      karal 28 November 2013 06: 46
      -4
      Probably China wants to make its yuan hard currency. And who then will buy consumer goods from them for this money?
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 28 November 2013 06: 51
        29
        Why consumer goods? China produces everything in a row, and even the yuan seems to have been represented on the exchanges for a long time and is freely converted.
        1. Max_Bauder
          Max_Bauder 28 November 2013 10: 31
          33
          Yes, for a long time all countries, including Russia, had to start building their own factories and plants in their own country and not buy someone else’s - consumer goods or not.

          We (the USA, Russia, Kazakhstan, and all of Europe) fed China all our lives. Let's start a new life. It’s better to be expensive, but buying your own and supporting a domestic manufacturer is much better, I’m telling you that for sure, we’ll move economically.

          New plants and factories mean a lot of jobs, this is a quality product from their raw materials (they also made ours).

          This is a development of technology. How much can one be surprised at Western clothes, shoes, suits, electronics, cars, it's time to learn to develop.

          Russians always need a kick to move. Until Peter came and taught, the ships did not begin to build, Peter taught to shave, put on a uniform, walk in formation, build in a square and in two lines, beat a basurman, cast guns no worse than the French, and make excellent guns.

          in the Second World War, too, it was kicked to raise the country on its own, numerous cities destroyed by the war were raised not by the hands of the Chinese but ordinary Soviet people. They sewed clothes, there was collective farm tasty milk, meat of domestic bulls, built factories, factories, the best weapons in the world.

          But the era of lazy people and the same rulers came, we better buy than a tablet ourselves? a computer? why think? let's buy from the Japs! or the Chinese, they are cheaper! Here is such a psychology.

          We are not aware that on the verge of war, it all comes back to haunt, as is happening with the United States and China. Hussein was also full of American electronics, when a crisis occurred in the Persian Gulf, the Americans took and disconnected all communications.

          We must live peacefully, but to prepare for war, factories and factories are strategic things. The Chinese are not surprised, any enemy would do that, anyone can set an ultimatum. But to prepare him for this step in advance an answer is a strategic move. I wonder if the USA has it ?!
          1. rolik
            rolik 28 November 2013 12: 06
            29
            Quote: Max_Bauder
            We (USA, Russia, Kazakhstan, and all of Europe) fed China all our lives

            For example, We in Russia fed, thanks to labeled and EBNu, from the beginning of the 90s, and continue to feed the United States. And who you feed, excuse me, you know better. Personally, I am opposed to feeding the Yankees, and probably all here.
            1. Max_Bauder
              Max_Bauder 29 November 2013 14: 37
              +2
              In order not to feed the Yankees - you need to get rid of dollars and not take loans,

              every loan taken is money in the pocket of an American, but what did you want? our banks borrow from them to lend to us.

              Is it hard to live without a loan? Yes! but you have to learn, because you lived before somehow, otherwise you’re used to spending strangers who haven’t earned money yet. consumer - the word and psychology invented by the Americans for enslavement,

              a person is naturally prone to a disease called greed, a loan provokes him.

              Now, as for the Chinese, in order not to feed them, we must completely abandon their products, let them give up the dollar making the United States bad, and we will make the Chinese bad,

              what for? sooner or later they will be at their consumer goods when they completely put us on it (yes we are already planted, everything you see in the store except for products and even products more than 50% are made in China) blackmail us as well as the usa.

              build factories and that’s all, although yes, I understand that the greed of officials who think only of selling resources can hinder, but we, the people, can all influence, through elections, rallies, and other forms of legal expression of our point of view on the problem. smile
          2. Sakmagon
            Sakmagon 28 November 2013 16: 25
            +2
            We (USA ???, Russia, Kazakhstan, and all of Europe) fed China all our lives ...
            Russians always need a kick to move. Until Peter came and taught, the ships did not begin to build, Peter taught to shave, put on a uniform, walk in formation, build in a square and in two lines, beat the basurman ...

            Fuck ... STRATEG! Essentially, he considers himself one of those whom one does not need to kick. And most likely, to those who will kick.
            What can a strategist who does not even know the past write about the future?
            "When you speak, Ivan Vasilievich, the feeling is that you are delusional!"
            1. Max_Bauder
              Max_Bauder 29 November 2013 14: 41
              +3
              And you mister before you criticize, suggest your option?

              when the problem of knocking on the door to keep silence does not work smile

              agree except a kick (war, conflict of interest, politically blackmail) do you really think that everyone will abandon Chinese products voluntarily?

              PySy. I myself am one of those who will get this kick together with the people, my ass is not a knoll, I will have to endure all the hardships and hardships with my people, as well as everyone, and to be honest, I’m happy for the kick if it helps me get on my feet.
              1. Sakmagon
                Sakmagon 29 November 2013 18: 14
                +3
                I understand that it’s late in time, but I hope you’ll come back to read ...
                Please note that and in response to what exactly I wrote.
                1. An arrogant position, which substantiates common truths, says that the "master" does not rank himself among the dull; WE are not building, but YOU are, like, an observer from the UN.
                2. I doubt that your distant ancestors were so stupid that it wasn’t that they could build a ship, or even shave, until the GREAT arrived. Personally, I felt so sorry for my own that I would not speak diplomatically in my face.
                3. I don’t know how YOU have it, but we more and more prefer Russian consumer goods. From 1 to 4.10 (inclusive) I was in Vladivostok, essno, I went around the shops, markets. Well, the jacket was native, Russian, tightly sewn - the Chinese almost torn off their sleeves. They hand over everything almost for nothing - ours don’t take it! So, on trifles, and bags, as before, do not fill.
                Next, I propose to add 2 + 2 myself, I leave your minus in mind hi
                1. Max_Bauder
                  Max_Bauder 1 December 2013 10: 35
                  0
                  I'm talking about rum, you're talking about yerema

                  What exactly do you propose regarding the problem voiced in the topic?

                  By the way, about shaving, let’s leave our ancestors, don’t believe it, I’ll prove it so, now in the age of advanced technology what can you create? Can you compete with Gillette?

                  we, you and the others, most of us are just consumers, the gray mass that does not affect civilization, if there weren’t scientists like Peter, would live in the Stone Age, throw modern people on the island, or create culture, hardly anyone can survive.
          3. avg
            avg 28 November 2013 17: 22
            +9
            We (the USA, Russia, Kazakhstan, and all of Europe) fed China all our lives. Let's start a new life. It’s better to be expensive, but buying your own and supporting a domestic manufacturer is much better, I’m telling you that for sure, we’ll move economically.

            We got it already with slogans, not understanding when and where we live, who owns banks, factories, etc. I especially like the slogan - "Let's support the domestic producer!" As soon as we start to support it, the price for the average Zhiguli goes up, the chicken is pumped up with stabilizers, and the panties are sewn so that the seams diverge in the wind. And all the additional s-va go to London, Cyprus, Israel ...
            Although, who knows, maybe you personally will advance. negative
            1. Max_Bauder
              Max_Bauder 29 November 2013 14: 44
              +1
              My friend, any business / event is important whether it is a revolution, opening a business, and supporting a domestic manufacturer begins with faith, without it even scientists would not have made a discovery, skepticism is needed only when the result comes out in order to avoid rash consequences. Do you agree? smile
          4. Alexxeg73
            Alexxeg73 29 November 2013 00: 05
            +6
            Yes, we do not need to explain this, it is elementary understandable. It's just very difficult for our government. Technologies, innovations, discoveries, research ... It is much easier to drive gas-oil over the "hillock". Meanwhile, officials build palaces for themselves. You google the phrase "Flying over the official's nest", you will be amazed at the scale. And do THESE really need a technologically advanced Russia?
            1. Max_Bauder
              Max_Bauder 29 November 2013 14: 57
              +2
              I agree with you completely, and I do not want to show whether all the surrounding fools are misunderstood, I just remind tired minds that it can bring us such kicks as politically blackmail. for example, this China is being traded with us (Kazakhstan).
              There is the Irtysh River, which begins with China, passes to Kazakhstan and then flows to Russia. So in China they decided to reconsider the problem of transboundary rivers. in their opinion, most of the river’s water should be used by the Chinese due to the fact that more people live on the other side. that is, divide the use of the river by 80/20 or even 90/10. that is, China catches 90 fish and we are 10, 90 tons for irrigation of Chinese farmland and we are 10 tons.
              Is it worth it to write how illiterate it is to reason not only politically but also geographically.
              to remind you of what the changes in the Syrdarya riverbed led to? did you hear the Aral Sea? no? and before the ships went there, now the salts from the bottom of the sea reached the Antarctica through air currents, this is a fact.
              The Chinese are well aware of the problem. which can lead to an environmental disaster, it’s bluffing, they are trying to chop off a piece of land with threats, like with your uncle or senkak.

              We, ordinary people, need developed Russia and Kazakhstan, and any crisis in politics leads to reforms, we need the right reforms, and the ranks will go under pressure from the public, they will have to be responsible for the actions, as Serdyukov is now responding.
              1. gladysheff2010
                gladysheff2010 30 November 2013 18: 39
                0
                "My friend," and when, let me ask you, you hugged Obama in a familiar manner for the last time, that you take the trouble to persuade us, careless people, to rebel against such undemocratic Chinese. plump democratic African American!
                1. Max_Bauder
                  Max_Bauder 1 December 2013 10: 29
                  +2
                  Ukrainians and the Baltic states also felt closer during the WWII to the Germans, but if it weren’t for the Soviet Union it would have been their turn to catch up,
                  I am not for Obama, he is still a villain, but the Chinese are not friends with you either.
          5. ekzorsist
            ekzorsist 1 December 2013 00: 37
            +1
            Yes, we did not feed China, but China has always been a source of very cheap labor.
            And here while the USSR was engaged in self-destruction, they took and jumped to a different level of development.
            And now they have a fairly strong economy and a rather not bad order in the country, developed industry. And we against everything that we just collapsed.
            Kindly Russia will release its own computer (albeit not overnight, but) and a tablet, but in Kazakhstan it is much more difficult, there have been attempts and even a roadmap plan was for the production of Kazakhstani tablet computers, it seems like the plant was built ", but for some reason it ended sadly - it turned out to be cheaper and simply to import from China?!?
          6. Ratibor
            Ratibor 2 December 2013 11: 14
            +1
            Until Peter came and taught, the ships did not begin to build, Peter taught to shave, put on a uniform, walk in formation, build in a square and in two lines, beat a basurman, cast guns no worse than the French, and make excellent guns.
            Well, you "bent to the cold" we probably were before Peter. Bears were not shaved and shaggy and climbed trees and the bassman did not beat. It's good that the uniforms "ala gay parade" with wigs from Yudashkin were not like Peter went to Holland (which was emancipation than this hour) Boyars began to shave their beards so that they would become feminine and dress up in uniforms who do not agree head on shoulder. Ships could be built before him, and our shipbuilders from Arkhangelsk built his fleet. And the calendar changed the next 5000-odd years of the life of our ancestors (not to mention later dates) "stole". Keep the magic kick to yourself for a more global study.
        2. winkiller
          winkiller 28 November 2013 11: 53
          +5
          Quote: mirag2
          Yes, and the yuan on the exchanges seems to have long been represented and freely converted.

          Only the central bank of China, buying a dollar, artificially reduces the value of the yuan, and strengthens the dollar, exchange rates is such a virtual unit controlled by large volumes of purchase / sale.
          1. edge
            edge 28 November 2013 17: 45
            +5
            Quote: winkiller
            Only the central bank of China, buying a dollar, artificially reduces the value of the yuan, and strengthens the dollar, exchange rates is such a virtual unit controlled by large volumes of purchase / sale.

            as far as I remember, Putin suggested creating a briks bank that would make payments in national currencies, it seems that this idea is starting
            1. SV
              SV 28 November 2013 18: 13
              +1
              based on the results of the briggs summit, a decision has already been made, principal documents have been signed, even the share of each participant in financing the project has been agreed ..
        3. mail
          mail 28 November 2013 22: 15
          -1
          yuan does not have free circulation in the foreign exchange market ...
        4. AVV
          AVV 29 November 2013 00: 23
          +3
          China takes advantage of the moment while the United States retreats on all fronts, Syria, Iran, wants to seize the initiative and dump empty candy wrappers, at present it is strenuously buying gold, diamonds, and everything that has any material value, gives large amounts for loans to other states, naturally in dollars !!! Russia, it would also be nice for China to support this and get rid of this currency !!! And not to keep such huge sums in state banks, yellow metal, a much reliable asset! The train started off quietly, it is urgent to unhook the last car with a huge debt over 17 trillion dollars under the guise of exceptional US guys !!!
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 28 November 2013 07: 03
        19
        Quote: karal
        And who then will buy consumer goods from them for this money?

        In China, you can shop for rubles, at least in the cities bordering Russia.
        1. Stiletto
          Stiletto 28 November 2013 09: 18
          +6
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          In China, you can shop for rubles, at least in the cities bordering Russia.



          Good morning everybody! I saw a picture for the article, I immediately remembered the avatar of Alexander Romanov. And here he is on the site - Alexander, you will be rich laughing hi
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 28 November 2013 10: 07
            +4
            Quote: Stiletto
            you will be rich

            They all promise well, you will be rich, you will be rich. At least one **** threw a couple of millions, but no, they all promise recourse
            1. Stiletto
              Stiletto 28 November 2013 10: 20
              +4
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              They all promise well, you will be rich, you will be rich. At least one **** threw a couple of millions, but no, they all promise


              My plus bully As in the novel "Hot Snow" Pyotr Aleksandrovich Bessonov said: "everything I can ..." hi
            2. rolik
              rolik 28 November 2013 12: 08
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              .Although one **** tossed a couple of millions,

              I ask a provocative question))))) A couple of millions of what money, or rather what country ???))))))))
            3. atalef
              atalef 28 November 2013 12: 23
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Quote: Stiletto
              you will be rich

              They all promise well, you will be rich, you will be rich. At least one **** threw a couple of millions, but no, they all promise recourse

              In general, what about the Tugriks, again, close to you, I have a couple of thousand, right? (a friend brought, traveled to Mongolia) My son is fond of numismatics, I hope he will.
        2. Reasonable, 2,3
          Reasonable, 2,3 28 November 2013 15: 11
          +1
          Well, a similar photo to you, Alexander, should have been like. A cigar.
      3. APES
        APES 28 November 2013 08: 41
        +2
        Quote: karal
        And who then will buy from them

        As an option, Russia
        1. atalef
          atalef 28 November 2013 08: 52
          0
          Quote: APES
          Quote: karal
          And who then will buy from them

          As an option, Russia

          What and how much? The volume of trade between Russia and China is just a minuscule compared to the States, and the states buy and sell only for bucks is an axiom.
          1. APES
            APES 28 November 2013 08: 55
            +4
            Quote: atalef
            states buy and sell only for bucks is an axiom


            until recently, and so far ...

            and so:
            as soon as (if) the collapse of the dollar begins, the United States will first abandon the dollar - this is a theorem
            1. atalef
              atalef 28 November 2013 09: 17
              +2
              Quote: APES
              Quote: atalef
              states buy and sell only for bucks is an axiom


              until recently, and so far ...

              and so:
              as soon as (if) the collapse of the dollar begins, the United States will first abandon the dollar - this is a theorem

              until recently - the expression can only be used if something has changed while trading for dollars and
              As soon as the collapse of the dollar begins, these countries, in order to somehow preserve their reserves in dollars and not throw them away as useless paper, what they will do will begin to buy them en masse, maybe the alternative is to stay with zero, and there is at least some chance of a return, I will give you one simple example, in 2008 - the second wave of the crisis, which hit almost only Europe, the euro began to rapidly depreciate, what they did in the world, they began to buy the euro, why, because even more depreciation would lead to the collapse of the entire market and the loss of all savings in the euro of the countries of the world - as you can see, the euro has stabilized and nothing bad happened, it will be the same with the dollar, sometimes it’s better to support a bankrupt in the hope of getting something than to drown with it
              1. APES
                APES 28 November 2013 09: 58
                +2
                Quote: atalef
                if something has changed

                already changed
                Quote: atalef
                mk alternative- stay with zero

                large ZERO project
                Quote: atalef
                it’s better to support a bankrupt in the hope of getting something, than to drown with it

                better off sinking ship
                1. atalef
                  atalef 28 November 2013 10: 03
                  +1
                  Quote: APES
                  Quote: atalef
                  if something has changed

                  already changed
                  Quote: atalef
                  mk alternative- stay with zero

                  large ZERO project
                  Quote: atalef
                  it’s better to support a bankrupt in the hope of getting something, than to drown with it

                  better off sinking ship

                  if possible with facts please and the reaction of stock exchanges and currencies - without this, all your words are empty boltology or just your personal hopes and nothing more.
                  Of course, I understand you, I really want everyone to refuse the buck, especially when they themselves do not, but the markets react instantly to the news, as an example - please after a preliminary agreement with Iran (note the results are not there yet - there are only signs of some optimism)
                  Over the past week, the price of Brent crude futures fell $ 7 to $ 103,9 per barrel, reaching a low since the end of last year. Only on Friday it fell to close immediately by $ 2, and in general the weekly drop was the fastest in six months.
                  Oil cheaper during the week led to a rapid weakening of the ruble. Over the week, it fell by 0,5 rubles against the dollar. up to 31,60 rubles. (to 19.00 Moscow time) and even more - to the euro: by 1,3 rubles. up to 41,20 rub. For the euro, this is the maximum since June 2012. In addition, the regulator has also cut rates against the ruble, said Dmitry Savchenko from Nordea Bank. The Central Bank is in no hurry to actively prevent the weakening of the national currency, as shown on Friday, data showed that on Wednesday it spent only 30 million rubles on these goals. The reason is obvious, says Ursa Capital analyst Stanislav Savinov: "Earlier, CB head Sergei Ignatiev expressed concern about the economic slowdown, and a weak ruble in this case will act as a stabilizer." A consequence of such currency dynamics is a potential risk of accelerated inflation, however, the rate of easing is not critical, and the latest data provided by Rosstat recorded a decrease in inflation to 0,3% in March, which increases the chances of easing monetary policy, he adds. The beginning of next week may be accompanied by significant fluctuations in the dollar / ruble pair in the range of 31,5-31,85 rubles, as the market clearly continues to experience a “jerk” and participants are still afraid to close positions and exit the currency, believes Yuri Kravchenko from Veles Capital .

                  Therefore, with facts - since it is more reliable
                  1. APES
                    APES 28 November 2013 10: 13
                    +2
                    Quote: atalef
                    without it, all your words are empty boltology or just your personal hopes


                    I understand your concerns about your dollar savings and hopes to keep them laughing

                    Advice: exchange bucks for rubles and return to your homeland - before it's too late
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 28 November 2013 10: 26
                      0
                      Quote: APES
                      Quote: atalef
                      without it, all your words are empty boltology or just your personal hopes


                      I understand your concerns about your dollar savings and hopes to keep them laughing

                      Advice: exchange bucks for rubles and return to your homeland - before it's too late

                      no, I have in shekels and inflation in shekels less than in dollars and certainly less than in rubles, in Israel nothing is sold for dollars, although I still remember how apartment sales (more precisely, prices were indicated in dollars) are was in the early 90s, but for a very long time only in shekels and nothing else, for one reason, the shekel is much more stable than the dollar
                      Today, the shekel is one of the most stable currencies. It is among the IMF officially recognized reserve fully converted currencies of the world. There are only sixteen of them.

                      By the way, the ruble is not included in these 16
                      Despite all the troubles and conflicts of the Middle East, the Israeli shekel continues to be one of the most stable currencies in the world.
                      Neither the dotcom crisis of the late 1990s, nor the mortgage collapse of Western banks in the late 2000s were able to shake the Jewish currency against the US dollar and the euro. So on the first of January of the 99th year, for one American dollar they gave 4.1 shekels. If we look at how the Israeli currency ended the difficult year of 2008, we will see that the dollar was worth 3,758 shekels, i.e. for almost a whole decade, with all its economic re-pipe, chaos, the change in course amounted to a negligible 9%! For comparison, the ruble against the US dollar in just one month (May 2012) fell by more than 13% (from 29.75 to 33.70).
                      It is worth recalling that transactions with the Israeli currency are currently classified as freely convertible. There are about 20 freely convertible currencies in the world and about 60 partially convertible currencies (the ruble among them).
                      Back in 2008, CLS Bank, operating under the auspices of the US Federal Reserve and being the center of international cross-currency settlements, decided to include the shekel in the list of fully convertible currencies.
                      Today, for one dollar they give all the same 3.8 shekels as in the year 98. One euro costs about 5.08 shekels. According to the consensus forecast of the leading world banks, the Israeli currency in the 4th quarter of this year and in 2013 has every chance to stay at the same levels.

                      Not much is old, ton by today the dollar is 3.55 shekels
                      Euro-4.8 shekels
                      Shekel strengthened even more
                      You see, as always with facts, can you do the same?
                      1. APES
                        APES 28 November 2013 10: 34
                        +4
                        Quote: atalef
                        You see, as always with facts, can you do the same?

                        “A report published by the Washington Office for Middle East Affairs states that the total amount of US assistance to Israel in the 1948-2000 years was approximately 91,82 billion.
                        According to “The Philharmonic Chronicle. Com ”, when they mention American aid to Israel, they usually call the annual 3 billion dollars; this assistance consists of economic assistance in 1,2 billion dollars and military assistance in 1,8 billion dollars. Despite the significant amount of this amount - about 1 / 6 of total US assistance to foreign countries - its real size is much larger.
                        The difficulty is that determining the true size of this assistance is not easy, since the large sums of money that the United States transfers to Israel are lost in the darkness of the budgets of various state organizations, especially the Ministry of Defense. Other assistance is provided in a difficult to detect form, for example, in the form of “prepayment”, which the Jewish state is allowed to make in order to realize the profit that the American taxpayer is losing, and this is one of the benefits of unpaid funds.

                        What will you do with the shekel-dollar when it ends?
                      2. atalef
                        atalef 28 November 2013 11: 02
                        0
                        “A report published by the Washington Office for Middle East Affairs states that the total amount of US assistance to Israel in the 1948-2000 years was approximately 91,82 billion.

                        those less than 2 billion a year,
                        According to “The Philharmonic Chronicle. Com ”, when they mention American aid to Israel, they usually call the annual 3 billion dollars; this assistance consists of economic assistance in 1,2 billion dollars and military assistance in 1,8 billion dollars. Despite the significant amount of this amount - about 1 / 6 of total US assistance to foreign countries - its real size is much larger.

                        don’t refer to the falyastin chronicle, it’s as if in the comments about Russia I referred to the Caucasus center
                        Assistance to the USA, Israel 3 billion a year, a cent to a cent the same amount is received by Egypt, and this is according to the Camp David agreement,
                        What will you do with the shekel-dollar when it ends

                        Nothing, our budget for 2014 is 114 billion dollars, how much is 3 billion (all the more this is non-cash and can only be used to purchase American weapons) as a percentage of the budget, do you yourself calculate or help? I think you will guess that 2.7% of the piano will not play, sequestration of the budget in Russia in 2014 - how many percent by 2013? and what will you do with it - nothing - not deadly, here we are hi
                        And again with the facts, please, just something more reliable than the falestin news
                      3. mirag2
                        mirag2 28 November 2013 12: 35
                        +1
                        Smoke in your eyes, are you here? I will now give you the facts of military assistance only 3 billion a year, and from 2013 to 4 billion.
                        Howled here one such fact required.
                    2. atalef
                      atalef 28 November 2013 11: 03
                      -1
                      “A report published by the Washington Office for Middle East Affairs states that the total amount of US assistance to Israel in the 1948-2000 years was approximately 91,82 billion.

                      those less than 2 billion a year,
                      According to “The Philharmonic Chronicle. Com ”, when they mention American aid to Israel, they usually call the annual 3 billion dollars; this assistance consists of economic assistance in 1,2 billion dollars and military assistance in 1,8 billion dollars. Despite the significant amount of this amount - about 1 / 6 of total US assistance to foreign countries - its real size is much larger.

                      don’t refer to the falyastin chronicle, it’s as if in the comments about Russia I referred to the Caucasus center
                      Assistance to the USA, Israel 3 billion a year, a cent to a cent the same amount is received by Egypt, and this is according to the Camp David agreement,
                      What will you do with the shekel-dollar when it ends

                      Nothing, our budget for 2014 is 114 billion dollars, how much is 3 billion (all the more this is non-cash and can only be used to purchase American weapons) as a percentage of the budget, do you yourself calculate or help? I think you will guess that 2.7% of the piano will not play, sequestration of the budget in Russia in 2014 - how many percent by 2013? and what will you do with it - nothing - not deadly, here we are hi
                      And again with the facts, please, just something more reliable than the falestin news
                    3. APES
                      APES 28 November 2013 11: 22
                      +2
                      there the key phrase is
                      Quote: APES
                      its real sizes are much larger

                      How long will Israel last without US assistance?
                    4. atalef
                      atalef 28 November 2013 11: 31
                      +1
                      Quote: APES
                      there the key phrase is
                      Quote: APES
                      its real sizes are much larger

                      How long will Israel last without US assistance?

                      Falyastin news, (this is about a lot more) - the facts can be, then compare with the budget (I'm not talking about GDP) then compare and decide for yourself
                      The gross national product of Israel in 2011, according to the CIA, amounted to over 239,8 billion US dollars (206 billion in 2008, 198 billion in 2007) [4].
                      Israel is considered one of the most developed countries in Southwest Asia for economic and industrial development. The country occupies the 29th position in the World Bank rating “Ease of doing business” [5] and in the rating of the World Economic Forum “World Competitiveness”. In a June 26, 2008 ranking of “best countries for doing business,” compiled by Forbes magazine, Israel was ranked 16th in the world. [6]
                      Israel is a world leader in water conservation and geothermal energy technologies. [8] His advanced technologies in software, telecommunications, science make him the equivalent of Silicon Valley in USA. [9] [10] Intel [11], Microsoft [12], Apple [13] built their first foreign research and development centers in Israel. Also, centers of other high-tech TNCs have been opened in Israel - SAP, IBM, Microsoft, Oracle, Dell, Google, Cisco Systems and Motorola.
                      In Israel, agriculture is developed, in the structure of which stall livestock prevails. Most of the production is concentrated in the private sector, while the proportion of kibbutzim is gradually declining.
                      The most important sectors of agriculture: the production of citrus fruits, vegetables, cotton, beef, poultry, dairy farming. [18]
                      [The average Israeli cow produces 11292 liters of milk per year, which is 2239 liters higher than the average milk yield of the American cow and 5374 liters - the average European cow. Total milk production in Israel amounted to 1,3 billion tons. [23]
                      The record annual milk yield in Israel is 18900 liters per year with a fat content of 5%.
                      [24] [25]
                      The total area under crops is 440 thousand ha, of which 255 thousand are irrigated [26] The agricultural sector consumes 60–72% of water. [26] This is due to the fact that on 60% of the country’s agricultural activities it is possible only with year-round artificial irrigation. [26]
                      Israel’s own agricultural sector provides 95% of its food supply, with a large number of products being exported. Cereals and oilseeds, meat, coffee, cocoa and saha are imported into the country.p. [26] At the same time, 3,5% of the country's working population is employed in agriculture. [26]


                      Pliz facts that besides Falesta News (Palestinian media) there is no one to refer to?
                    5. APES
                      APES 28 November 2013 11: 36
                      +2
                      Quote: atalef
                      The average Israeli cow gives 11292 liters of milk per year, -


                      abruptly laughing - this is what Israel will hold on to

                      Quote: atalef
                      then compare and decide for yourself

                      I already decided ....

                      question: what does China have to do with its rejection of the dollar?
                      and you did not answer the question - where is your homeland?
                    6. atalef
                      atalef 28 November 2013 11: 44
                      0
                      Quote: APES
                      Quote: atalef
                      The average Israeli cow gives 11292 liters of milk per year, -


                      abruptly laughing - this is what Israel will hold on to

                      Quote: atalef
                      then compare and decide for yourself

                      I already decided ....

                      question: what does China have to do with its rejection of the dollar?
                      and you did not answer the question - where is your homeland?

                      In agriculture, including, we at least feed ourselves
                      Then you asked some other questions - like
                      there the key phrase is
                      Quote: APES
                      its real sizes are much larger
                      How long will Israel last without US assistance?

                      I kind of answered with numbers, it’s clear that it’s not nice when myths and beliefs collapse, but alas laughing
                      By the way, about the facts, you never brought, well, God be with you
                      About the motherland
                      I was born in Belarus, I lived in Russia all my life before leaving, I think Russia is my small homeland, Israel is my homeland (and I think you have no problems with this, that a Jew considers Israel to be his homeland), as I think there are no problems that Russians living in Kazakhstan consider Homeland - Russia
                      Although I did not quite understand how this relates to the economy of Israel (where is my homeland)?
                    7. APES
                      APES 28 November 2013 11: 59
                      -1
                      Quote: atalef
                      I kind of answered with numbers

                      your numbers are worthless request
                      Quote: atalef
                      when myths and beliefs collapse

                      you are still ahead yes
                      Quote: atalef
                      Although I did not quite understand

                      I also did not understand what Israel has to do with China.

                      and the funny thing is, I don’t understand your manic desire to convince me of something. lol
                    8. atalef
                      atalef 28 November 2013 12: 03
                      0
                      Quote: APES
                      Quote: atalef
                      I kind of answered with numbers

                      your numbers are worthless request
                      Quote: atalef
                      when myths and beliefs collapse

                      you are still ahead yes
                      Quote: atalef
                      Although I did not quite understand

                      I also did not understand what Israel has to do with China.

                      and the funny thing is, I don’t understand your manic desire to convince me of something. lol


                      Well, they cost a little more than yours
                      2. In this you are right - we still have everything ahead (like any of us), although you probably have not everything behind
                      3. Well, are you somehow attached, follow the comments, or is it not quite gut with memory?
                    9. iwind
                      iwind 28 November 2013 13: 38
                      +3
                      So much negativity against Israel, which is just ridiculous.
                      I will not talk about the whole industry, etc. But here is medicine, I can tell you one of the best in the world, in terms of price and quality, everything is very good. And by this, by the way, they earn quite a lot of money.
                      But as for politics, the state should take care of itself and its citizens.
                      To be honest, in revenge of Israel, I would have done even harder, with enemies and competitors do not have to stand on ceremony.
                      Our government would put the interests of the country and its citizens in the first place.
                  2. atalef
                    atalef 28 November 2013 12: 08
                    0
                    and the funny thing is, I don’t understand your manic desire to convince me of something.

                    God forbid, I set myself real goals, it’s impossible to achieve what is impossible to achieve
            2. sergey32
              sergey32 28 November 2013 12: 20
              0
              Impressive, well done Jews! Especially against the depressing background of neighboring Arab countries.
              By the way, I have a little thought to probe the possibility of exporting my products (confectionery according to Soviet GOSTs) to Israel. While delivering only to Belarus, the Poles are interested. I know Soviet Jews tried to organize production in Israel, it did not work, the product is difficult to manufacture. What do you think?
            3. atalef
              atalef 28 November 2013 12: 33
              0
              Quote: sergey32
              Impressive, well done Jews! Especially against the depressing background of neighboring Arab countries.
              By the way, I have a little thought to probe the possibility of exporting my products (confectionery according to Soviet GOSTs) to Israel. While delivering only to Belarus, the Poles are interested. I know Soviet Jews tried to organize production in Israel, it did not work, the product is difficult to manufacture. What do you think?

              In general, confectioners from Russia import a lot of goods, from Roshan to ice cream and sweets, one of them my friend - Atas - is called.
              The nostalgia of Russian-speaking Israelis for the old "Soviet taste" was one of the reasons for the start of deliveries to the country of ice cream from Russia, which was very different from that produced and popular in the Jewish state. The Israeli ice cream market is very small for the Stavropol Dairy Plant, but the very fact that about 100 tons of products are supplied here annually increases the prestige of the enterprise. This was announced to the Kommersant newspaper by Sergey Anisimov, general director of the plant.

              According to him, going to export products to non-CIS countries, she was born in the mid-1990s due to the fact that the plant was updating equipment through a partner company from Israel. "There was a large network of ethnic Russian stores in the country and there was an acute sense of nostalgia for those very Soviet tastes, in particular ice cream. The partner warned right away that if we take it, then the product should be exactly the same, produced according to the old Soviet GOSTs, with the addition of flour, without stabilizers or any other modern ingredients. No flavors and dyes, only natural simple ingredients that fully meet the taste requirements of “nostalgia.” We released such ice cream by launching a line of traditional Soviet ice cream cones and sherbets, "Anisimov said.

              He stressed that in Israel the ice cream market is quite specific: by that time, sorbets were mainly produced, and the buyers were not used to fatty ice cream - at least 20% fat. "They entered the market with an unpretentious slogan:" Ice cream is simply Atas! "We gradually expanded the assortment. We created a network of distributors throughout Israel, supplied more than 2 thousand refrigerators in retail outlets. For us, this is more a matter of prestige," Anisimov emphasized. noting that the volume of supplies abroad is about 100 tons.

              At the same time, the plant switched to the production of kosher products. "The population has more confidence in food that meets the requirements of kosher. In order to certify their products according to these standards, rabbis came to us, who went all the way from milking on the farm to packing the finished product into boxes for export," he said interlocutor of the publication. The experience of working in Israel did not help the Stavropol combine in its attempt a year and a half ago to arrange the supply of products to the European Union. The Russians did not manage to "break through" to Cyprus, where a rather large group of Russians lives today. There they were greeted with an almost one hundred percent import duty and created problems with obtaining a certificate.

              Подробности: http://izrus.co.il/dvuhstoronka/article/2013-09-23/22297.html#ixzz2lvYQ9g00
              When using materials, a reference to "IzRus.co.il" is required.

              by the way kashrut is optional, not kosher too
          2. mirag2
            mirag2 28 November 2013 12: 47
            0
            By the way, your "translarium" talks about what a real "Jewish Israel" should become - a country with an incredible concentration of great minds in the world and with the help of aliyah, and grown on their kibbutz food.
            And you will have to import water, as well as gas, soon, as if aliyah didn’t come out sideways.
            And with gas from Cyprus, too, a bummer or something?
          3. atalef
            atalef 28 November 2013 13: 00
            0
            Quote: mirag2
            By the way, your "translarium" talks about what a real "Jewish Israel" should become - a country with an incredible concentration of great minds in the world and with the help of aliyah, and grown on their kibbutz food.
            And you will have to import water, as well as gas, soon, as if aliyah didn’t come out sideways.
            And with gas from Cyprus, too, a bummer or something?

            By the number of desalination plants (as well as by technology), Israel is in first place in the world - therefore, we have no problems with water (since 2013), and this year probably the largest desalination plant in the world (in Ashkelon) will not work at full capacity, an oversupply - alas
            on gas - well, at least google for fun, so as not to look really ignoramus, (as for the same water)

            Israel’s regional development minister believes the country will soon become an exporter of gas and fresh water, journalist Alain Elkann said in an article on La Stampa.
            "Silvan Shalom - Minister of Regional Development, Minister for the Development of the Negev and Galilee, Minister of Energy and Water Resources. He takes part in a cabinet meeting that takes place near Ben Gurion's grave on his birthday. Shalom, however, took time for an interview and spoke about gas production, which could change the country's economy and the political situation in Israel, "the newspaper writes.
            According to the official, a natural gas field was discovered in the country, which was named Leviatano. It will allow Israel to sell up to 50% of gas abroad, starting from Cyprus, Greece and Italy.
            “We have to decide whether we will transport gas through a gas pipeline or we will have to liquefy it and transport it by sea. There are various options. For example, we want to build an underwater collector with Cyprus and Greece,” the minister said.
            Shalom is confident that the new development will reduce the cost of gas and water in the country, as well as, accordingly, many other goods, reducing the cost of living in the state.
            "We will be ready to export gas in 2018-2019, but already now we have reduced gas prices for industry, in 2015 the savings will amount to 9 billion. Israel will become a cheaper country. In addition, we hope to find oil and we want production was invested by large operators. But many of them are currently working with Arab countries, "the minister outlined the regions
            18 November 2013, 09: 45
            "We are planning to supply liquefied gas to Asia.
            As minister of water resources, Shalom stated that "from 2014 we will have a lot more water thanks to a new seawater desalination project. For the first time, we will have more than we need. Perhaps we will export it to Jordan and the Palestinians. We invented new irrigation processes and know how to recycle 87% of the water.
            The official noted that Tel Aviv is thinking about helping the Chinese and is engaged in a dialogue with Beijing. “We hold a strong position in this technology sector and rank second after Canada in the number of high-tech enterprises,” the Israeli minister summed up.
          4. 31231
            31231 28 November 2013 14: 55
            +1
            on gas - well, at least google for fun, so as not to look really ignorant,


            Well, tell us that. At what depth do your countless treasures lie and why are not gas production monsters drilling, but "collective farms" ?!
            Have you ever wondered why BP, Chevrons and Exxons are not interested in these deposits?
          5. atalef
            atalef 28 November 2013 20: 56
            0
            Quote: 31231
            Well, tell us that. At what depth do your countless treasures lie and why are not gas production monsters drilling, but "collective farms" ?!
            Have you ever wondered why BP, Chevrons and Exxons are not interested in these deposits?

            Not interested or did not win the tender (like Gazprom, by the way)
            The first assumptions about the presence of large gas fields in the region were made back in 2008. In 2009, as many as three gas fields were discovered: Leviathan, Tamar and Dalit.

            And by the new 2011, Israel received a real present: exploration drilling conducted by American and Israeli companies on December 29-30 (including the Noble Energy consortium) exceeded all the results. In total, the estimated gas reserves in the three fields amount to 700 billion cubic meters.

            With the current consumption of blue fuel, these reserves will last for Israel for 150 years. However, his leadership does not intend to use such fields exclusively for their needs and expects to establish gas exports to Europe.
            The total cost of gas reserves in these fields is about $ 100 billion.

            What is the difference what depths - it matters how much
    2. yur
      yur 28 November 2013 22: 01
      +3
      I really apologize for interfering in your discussion, moreover, I have great respect for Israeli cows, BUT ... For some reason, it seems to me that the state of Israel can exist only as long as a strong USA exists, mind you just the USA, and the strong USA. In addition, from the United States, the whole world should be eager to buy dollars and treasury bills. As soon as this system is violated a bit, EVERYTHING, there are no strong USs, no Israel (well, just too small it is numerically and geographically). PS God forbid that you would consider me an anti-Semite, I have great respect for Jews and indeed for all peoples, but here my opinion is regarding the future state of Israel.
  2. And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 28 November 2013 12: 47
    -5
    How long will Israel last without US assistance?


    From 1948 to 1978, they lived without Yusov’s handouts in the form of a couple of percent of the budget, and I see no reason to stop returning to the same direction, rather, on the contrary, it will untie Israel’s hands, arms exports will increase significantly, export of new technologies too (China is spreading around Israel like a fox around a chicken coop and waiting for the guard dog to die), even railway from the Red to the Mediterranean Sea offer to build on non-competitive conditions worth tens of billions, and this list is long.
    Imagine for a second the PRC army based on Israeli technology ... Yusovtsy Kondraty suffices from just this thought, this will erase their technological superiority.
    Militarily, Israel already dominates the region WITHOUT any military assistance by USA, rather, on the contrary, the Israeli intelligence services help the Yossians not to settle completely in the region.
    The most common misconception is to believe that Israel without USA is nowhere, maximum than it threatens - a decrease in the standard of living of interest on 10, no more, we survive - it happened and worse.
  3. Gluxar_
    Gluxar_ 28 November 2013 20: 31
    +4
    Quote: APES
    How long will Israel last without US assistance?

    Yes, not at all. The fact is that we are talking only about official assistance at the government level, and how many different Jewish funds and communities are transferred to Israel cannot be counted at all. That is where Israel lives. But as always, the myth of the self-sufficiency of the Jewish state has been exaggerated and will be exaggerated, it is true exactly before the sponsors are bent. And judging by the news for Jewish bankers, not the best of times are coming.
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  5. Gluxar_
    Gluxar_ 28 November 2013 20: 28
    +1
    Quote: APES
    What will you do with the shekel-dollar when it ends?

    Bend even earlier than the United States. The US will begin to drain all its ballast before falling. A and
    Israel is in the first place on this list.
  6. Rebus
    Rebus 28 November 2013 11: 25
    +2
    Quote: atalef
    Back in 2008, CLS Bank, operating under the auspices of the US Federal Reserve and being the center of international cross-currency settlements, decided to include the shekel in the list of fully convertible currencies.

    It would be foolish to think that they (the Fed) will not do this ... There are two reasons for the stability and convertibility of the shekel.
    1 Fed Manager Ben Shalom Bernanke, under whose auspices CLS Bank operates, is your fellow countryman. A Jew, in most cases, will take care of Israel, even if he is a citizen of another country ...
    Wherever a crunch of rubles is heard
    and a penny clinks subtly
    a Jew is sitting nearby
    or at least a Jewess.
    И.Г.

    2 Shekel is a Middle Eastern branch of the dollar, as the dollars of the British colonies were a branch of the British pound (New Zealand, Australian, Hong Kong and other dollars)
    However, most convertible currencies are affiliates of the dollar. There will be a head chop off his fingers ...
  7. atalef
    atalef 28 November 2013 11: 49
    0
    It would be foolish to think that they (the Fed) will not do this ... There are two reasons for the stability and convertibility of the shekel.
    1 Fed Manager Ben Shalom Bernanke, under whose auspices CLS Bank operates, is your fellow countryman. A Jew, in most cases, will take care of Israel, even if he is a citizen of another country ...

    And why then did it 30 years ago? Perhaps the economic performance was not very? What stupidity you are bearing, it seems that a convertible currency can be assigned from the bulldozer, without economic indicators, America is not the whole world, and the shekel is convertible around the world
    As for the heads of the Fed - well, Jews have always been the best financiers, there’s nothing to do, of course I would like to see the Eskimo as the head of the Fed - but apparently not in my lifetime

    2 Shekel is a Middle Eastern branch of the dollar, as the dollars of the British colonies were a branch of the British pound (New Zealand, Australian, Hong Kong and other dollars)
    However, most convertible currencies are affiliates of the dollar. There will be a head chop off his fingers ...

    It’s clear that you won’t bring the facts, just continue to sprinkle with saliva, good luck hi
  8. Rebus
    Rebus 28 November 2013 13: 01
    0
    Quote: atalef
    And why then did it 30 years ago? Perhaps the economic performance was not very? What stupidity you are bearing, it seems that a convertible currency can be assigned from the bulldozer, without economic indicators, America is not the whole world, and the shekel is convertible around the world

    The national currency is not something abstract, but first of all an organization, one might say a state corporation. And in our century of globalization, like all corporations, national currencies are subject to mergers and acquisitions, business and nothing personal. From the bulldozer, nobody designated your currency, convertible, yourself deserved.
    Quote: atalef
    It’s clear that you won’t bring the facts, just continue to sprinkle with saliva, good luck

    What other facts do you need, everything is obvious.
    I repeat, in our age of globalization of the economy, all world economic players, to one degree or another, depend on each other. The dollar is no less dependent on the shekel than the shekel on the dollar (just do not talk about the great, independent economy of Israel), the more satellites the dollar has, the more stable the dollar is and most CLS bank decisions to include a particular currency in the list of convertibles a political decision due to a merger or acquisition (you yourself wrote that CLS is under the auspices of the Fed).

    Political support and advertising, sometimes cooler than a few billion dollars

    Quote: atalef
    keep just spraying saliva

    I do not spray my saliva. Yes, and if I spray, then what you do not spray your monitor hi

    Well, departing from the topic, verses by Igor Huberman:

    Wherever civilization is
    and the light of a star warms the planet
    there is a compulsory nation
    for the role of the Jews there.


    (http://www.100bestbooks.ru/item_info.php?id=311)
  9. atalef
    atalef 28 November 2013 13: 06
    +1
    I repeat, in our age of globalization of the economy, all world economic players, to one degree or another, depend on each other. The dollar is no less dependent on the shekel than the shekel on the dollar (just do not talk about the great, independent economy of Israel), the more satellites the dollar has, the more stable the dollar is and most CLS bank decisions to include a particular currency in the list of convertibles a political decision due to a merger or acquisition (you yourself wrote that CLS is under the auspices of the Fed).

    I agree with this, and the dollar’s ​​decline will also affect the shekel, but believe it to a much lesser extent than the ruble, I quoted the facts and figures earlier by following the comments (example of the 2008 crisis)
    I love the same Huberman, in general, Jews have self-irony in their blood, we are not afraid to laugh at ourselves, laugh, think, and maybe we can fix something, otherwise we won’t survive
  10. Rebus
    Rebus 28 November 2013 13: 16
    0
    Quote: atalef
    the fall of the dollar will affect the shekel, but believe it to a much lesser extent than the ruble

    I regret to agree, at the moment this is so ...
  11. atalef
    atalef 28 November 2013 13: 28
    0
    Quote: Rebus
    Quote: atalef
    the fall of the dollar will affect the shekel, but believe it to a much lesser extent than the ruble

    I regret to agree, at the moment this is so ...

    With an initiative of you, Gleb Yegorych!
    hi
  12. Simon
    Simon 28 November 2013 12: 06
    0
    The shekel will also collapse if the dollar falls. There will be no American support! fool
  13. And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 28 November 2013 13: 11
    -1
    Quote: Simon
    The shekel will also collapse if the dollar falls. There will be no American support! fool


    No, it will not collapse, we are not buying up American debts, we hold the reserve in different currencies, including gold, yuan, so the yuan - it doesn’t matter to us what to keep import \ export, export in the next year \ two will significantly overtake import, so how Israel becomes non-volatile and plans to export gas. No matter how wild it may seem to you, Israel is half a step away from FULL self-sufficient self-sufficiency. And Yusov’s support to us that the elephant was a crumb, 20-30 years ago, it may have played some vital role, but not today. Today it is more likely - a bonus, a fat layer, no more.
  14. Mr. Kamber
    Mr. Kamber 1 December 2013 23: 19
    +1
    Business structure suggests otherwise hi
  15. edge
    edge 28 November 2013 17: 54
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    Neither the dotcom crisis of the late 1990s, nor the mortgage collapse of Western banks in the late 2000s were able to shake the Jewish currency against the US dollar and the euro.

    naturally, not a single Jew can get into his pocket, because the world banking system is controlled by Jews hi
  16. atalef
    atalef 28 November 2013 20: 58
    0
    Quote: hert
    naturally, not a single Jew can get into his pocket, because the world banking system is controlled by Jews

    Then we’ll climb. vseravno if everything is under our control - then this is our pocket laughing
  17. Gluxar_
    Gluxar_ 28 November 2013 20: 26
    +2
    Quote: atalef
    Israeli shekel continues to be one of the most stable currencies in the world.

    It's like a song about the Voronezh football club. How the price of a currency that nobody needs can change. The change in the exchange rate is determined by supply and demand. Shekel is not needed by anyone, therefore it is "stable".
  18. atalef
    atalef 28 November 2013 20: 59
    +1
    Quote: Gluxar_
    Quote: atalef
    Israeli shekel continues to be one of the most stable currencies in the world.

    It's like a song about the Voronezh football club. How the price of a currency that nobody needs can change. The change in the exchange rate is determined by supply and demand. Shekel is not needed by anyone, therefore it is "stable".

    Everyone needs the Zimbabwean dollar - therefore, it also has inflation of 10 million% per year. Bravo fool
  19. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 30 November 2013 15: 42
    +1
    This has not yet collapsed. The hryvnia exchange rate to the ruble was also stable while the neighbors received help in the form of cheap loans, and you only have direct help of about 100 billion.
  20. zevs379
    zevs379 4 December 2013 00: 09
    0
    Dreaming of making a shekel a world currency? Ha 3 times. Let's see what will happen to the shekel after the collapse of the dollar negative
  • CHILD
    CHILD 28 November 2013 11: 31
    +2
    listen, I am surprised ... they have come up with a curve and absolutely unfair world economic model ... interestingly, they will revive this economic corpse for a long time))))) it will not last forever, besides saving the dollar eats more and more more (and it’s not getting better)))) is very similar to a donkey and an apple in front of the face))))) an apple is mounted on a cart, how many do not stretch .... only the cart rides ... but there are a lot of cunning people in the world))) )) they will find, come up with ... but they will throw off the dollar anyway ...
    1. Mr. Kamber
      Mr. Kamber 1 December 2013 23: 21
      0
      You won’t believe how many smart-ass people are trying to keep this system winked
  • Gluxar_
    Gluxar_ 28 November 2013 20: 23
    0
    Quote: atalef
    if possible with facts please and the reaction of stock exchanges and currencies - without this, all your words are empty boltology or just your personal hopes and nothing more.
    Of course, I understand you, I really want everyone to refuse the buck, especially when they themselves do not, but the markets react instantly to the news, as an example - please after a preliminary agreement with Iran (note the results are not there yet - there are only signs of some optimism)

    Are you blind? This article is fact. China is giving up the dollar. The consequence of this event will be that the demand for dollars will begin to fall. The dollar will begin to depreciate and everyone who wants to return at least something IMMEDIATELY will start selling it, not buying it. You completely misunderstand the essence of supply and demand. When the demand for something falls, it becomes cheaper. And nobody buys useless paper. They just want to buy US debt and concentrate it in their hands in the hope ... for what? The fact that the United States will pay something? As if they do not produce anything, but only consume. But countries that have time to get rid of the dollar will be able to easily switch to mutual settlements in local currencies. You will be surprised, but all over the world there are already dozens of "currency unions" where settlements are made in local currencies. and only the United States is losing from this. The entire failure of the United States in the 21st century is precisely due to the fact that people stop trusting the dollar and this trend is only increasing.
    1. atalef
      atalef 28 November 2013 21: 03
      +1
      Quote: Gluxar_
      Are you blind? This article is a fact. China refuses the dollar.

      I have eyes for revenge - bullshit article - sighted exchanges

      Quote: Gluxar_
      The consequence of this event will be that demand for dollars begins to fall.

      And where is this visible?

      Quote: Gluxar_
      The dollar will begin to depreciate and everyone who wants to return at least something AT ONCE will start selling it, not buying

      While the ruble is falling, or am I wrong?

      Quote: Gluxar_
      You will be surprised, but all over the world there are already dozens of "currency unions" where settlements are made in local currencies. and only the United States is losing from this.

      I don’t know who is losing and who is finding. but inflation in the dollar is less than in the ruble? Explain?

      Quote: Gluxar_
      A. The entire US failure in the 21st century is precisely due to the fact that people no longer trust the dollar and this trend is only increasing.

      You are probably the only one in the world who has already lived the 21st century belay
      1. Mr. Kamber
        Mr. Kamber 1 December 2013 23: 28
        0
        Exchanges will never believe that the dollar is dead. They believe that they will die instantly.
        "Exporting inflation" is a good and not an economic term hi
    2. Mr. Kamber
      Mr. Kamber 1 December 2013 23: 22
      0
      Only when speculators really believe that the dollar is paper hi
  • And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 28 November 2013 12: 23
    0
    Quote: APES

    better off sinking ship


    Where? Or have tickets for Mars already begun? request
    1. APES
      APES 28 November 2013 13: 01
      +1
      Quote: And Us Rat
      started selling tickets to Mars?


      The Dutch company Mars One has already received applications from more than 165 thousand people, and it is expected that the number of applicants will reach a million before the first flight to Mars, which is planned in 2022 - 2023 years. hi
      1. atalef
        atalef 28 November 2013 13: 09
        +1
        Quote: APES
        Quote: And Us Rat
        started selling tickets to Mars?


        The Dutch company Mars One has already received applications from more than 165 thousand people, and it is expected that the number of applicants will reach a million before the first flight to Mars, which is planned in 2022 - 2023 years. hi

        Tereshkova among them hi
        But today, at the age of 76, Tereshkova is preparing to forget about retirement and enrolled in a truly grandiose space adventure - a journey to Mars.

        "I'm getting ready [to fly to Mars]," she said in the comments on the 50th anniversary of her launch on June 16, 1963, according to Roscosmos, the Russian Federal Space Agency. Obviously Mars is her favorite planet!
      2. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 28 November 2013 13: 13
        0
        Quote: APES
        Quote: And Us Rat
        started selling tickets to Mars?


        The Dutch company Mars One has already received applications from more than 165 thousand people, and it is expected that the number of applicants will reach a million before the first flight to Mars, which is planned in 2022 - 2023 years. hi


        I’m happy to spend my vacation there, since childhood I dreamed about flying into space laughing
        1. APES
          APES 28 November 2013 13: 39
          0
          Quote: And Us Rat
          Happy to spend my vacation there


          this is a one-way ticket - a vacation can drag on .... request
        2. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 29 November 2013 02: 56
          +1
          Quote: APES
          Quote: And Us Rat
          Happy to spend my vacation there


          this is a one-way ticket - a vacation can drag on .... request


          Honestly, it doesn't scare me too much, the life of the pioneer is filled with meaning, only then you will complain that "the Jews and Mars have taken over" lol
        3. APES
          APES 29 November 2013 11: 34
          0
          Quote: And Us Rat
          only then you will complain

          I definitely won’t
          Quote: And Us Rat
          "Jews and Mars took over"

          so it goes, forgot to say - tickets are sold only to Jews wink
  • Motors1991
    Motors1991 28 November 2013 16: 07
    +2
    I can argue that we will be in the same harness with this sinking ship, and not because we love the Yankees very much, but because we love our skin more. If China dumps the United States, who will it take next? The answer is only one - - The Russian Federation. Just as we entered World War I not out of love for England or France, now we’ll have to combine the efforts of America, Russia, Japan and others against China and we won’t be able to stay behind Amur. By the way, we noticed that China has deteriorated relations with almost all neighbors. The Chinese monkey climbed off the tree, picked up a club and begins to try on the head first. As for strengthening the yuan, this will increase domestic consumption, 900 million poor Chinese peasants will also want to join the benefits of civilization, so there is much to do with the products. And the next step will be the presentation by China of the US government of bills for payment, since there is nothing to pay, all the factories built by the Americans in the PRC will take up this matter, along with Thais will grab both European and Japanese enterprises, and this, anyway, is a war.
    1. yur
      yur 28 November 2013 22: 17
      0
      But is it not easier for us to unite with China against Japan, England and the USA, especially since these are clearly not our friends?
    2. Mr. Kamber
      Mr. Kamber 1 December 2013 23: 26
      0
      China bites US satellites.
      Nuclear weapons will allow them to sit behind the Amur. repeat
  • SV
    SV 28 November 2013 18: 39
    +1
    "it is better to leave the sinking ship" - it will not work out without sipping water.
  • Mviktor
    Mviktor 28 November 2013 12: 41
    0
    empty papers are supported only by our Kudrins, while striped ones are slowly buying up foreign assets, including our Russian ones
    1. Mr. Kamber
      Mr. Kamber 1 December 2013 23: 32
      0
      Have you not noticed that the number of "purchased" assets is correlated with the amount of US debt to the Central Bank of the Russian Federation? hi
  • Krasnoarmeec
    Krasnoarmeec 28 November 2013 15: 28
    0
    China detonated a real bomb, but the mainstream media in the US almost completely ignored it.


    But does anyone else believe in American openness, democracy, and the independent American press?!?!? belay
    It's funny ....
    1. atalef
      atalef 28 November 2013 21: 07
      0
      Quote: Krasnoarmeec
      China detonated a real bomb, but the mainstream media in the US almost completely ignored it.


      But does anyone else believe in American openness, democracy, and the independent American press?!?!? belay
      It's funny ....

      Well, yes, and the people on the exchanges in Hong Kong, Germany. England, France, Spain, Italy of the same China (he and Gon-Kog have separate exchanges 0 cannot read laughing
  • edge
    edge 28 November 2013 17: 49
    0
    Quote: atalef
    as soon as (if) the collapse of the dollar begins, the United States will first abandon the dollar - this is a theorem

    this is unlikely, they live on this, and the Eureka are trying to drop .... they won’t let everyone else out: in vain did they try to load Stalin in Yalta ....
  • Gluxar_
    Gluxar_ 28 November 2013 20: 17
    0
    Quote: atalef
    until recently - the expression can only be used if something has changed while trading for dollars and
    As soon as the collapse of the dollar begins, these countries, in order to somehow preserve their reserves in dollars and not throw them away as useless paper, what they will do will begin to buy them en masse, maybe the alternative is to stay with zero, and there is at least some chance of a return, I will give you one simple example, in 2008 - the second wave of the crisis, which hit almost only Europe, the euro began to rapidly depreciate, what they did in the world, they began to buy the euro, why, because even more depreciation would lead to the collapse of the entire market and the loss of all savings in the euro of the countries of the world - as you can see, the euro has stabilized and nothing bad happened, it will be the same with the dollar, sometimes it’s better to support a bankrupt in the hope of getting something than to drown with it

    Why only for dollars? For ten years now, as well as for the euro. Now they will start for yuan and rubles, and then the people will think and say to the Americans, “but let's go to number“ y. ”And then what will the Americans do? Eat their credit cards?
    1. atalef
      atalef 28 November 2013 21: 08
      0
      Quote: Gluxar_
      Why only for dollars? For ten years now, as well as for the euro. Now they will start for yuan and rubles, and then the people will think and say to the Americans, “but let's go to number“ y. ”And then what will the Americans do? Eat their credit cards?

      \ I do not say that they will never say it, only when they say it, then we’ll talk. While inflation of the euro, more than the dollar, explain why?
  • Vasek
    Vasek 28 November 2013 21: 43
    0
    Having "dropped" the dollar by, say, 20 percent, the United States will automatically write off 20% of its debt.
    On the other hand, most of China's production is oriented to America.
    So, the two-edged sword: I think the Chinese $$$ bought up so that their sales market was under their control (no less, as much as possible).
    But as recent crises have shown, everything is very interconnected and ambiguous, so we will wait and see. I can’t guess.
    1. Mr. Kamber
      Mr. Kamber 1 December 2013 23: 34
      0
      China's production is redirected to the domestic (billionth) market. hi
  • Vasek
    Vasek 28 November 2013 21: 48
    0
    Having "dropped" the dollar by, say, 20 percent, the United States will automatically write off 20% of its debt.
    On the other hand, most of China's production is oriented to America.
    So, the two-edged sword: I think the Chinese $$$ bought up so that their sales market was under their control (no less, as much as possible).
    But as recent crises have shown, everything is very interconnected and ambiguous, so we will wait and see. I can’t guess.
  • poquello
    poquello 29 November 2013 01: 04
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    ..... sometimes it’s better to support a bankrupt in the hope of getting something, than to drown with him

    sometimes it’s better to competently open an abscess than to have gangrene. Anyway, the circulation of the dollar is already akin to the circulation of bitcoin whose value is very virtual.
  • Andrey57
    Andrey57 28 November 2013 09: 29
    +3
    This "axiom" is what the Chinese are going to bury. hi
  • mirag2
    mirag2 28 November 2013 12: 30
    0
    A conversation about trade among themselves, and not on a global scale.
  • Muadipus
    Muadipus 28 November 2013 13: 43
    0
    and the states buy and sell only for bucks is an axiom.
    Who argues. they will buy for bucks, only bucks will have to spread more.

    We passed this in the 90s, when gasoline from 20 kopecks reached 12 rubles.
    when cars with 6000 rubles began to cost 120.

    Meet Devaluation, her mother :)
  • Sakmagon
    Sakmagon 28 November 2013 16: 39
    +1
    and the states buy and sell only for bucks is an axiom.

    They will want to eat - they will also buy for the yuan ...
  • Gluxar_
    Gluxar_ 28 November 2013 20: 14
    0
    Quote: atalef
    What and how much? The volume of trade between Russia and China is just a minuscule compared to the States, and the states buy and sell only for bucks is an axiom.

    Well then, you need to continue the chain further. But for bucks you can only buy treasuries nominated in bucks. So tries these bucks China then?
    After all, the point is this. If China needs something = it is in the USA, then it will buy it for what has already been accumulated. China will not continue to sponsor its competitor.
    1. atalef
      atalef 28 November 2013 21: 10
      +1
      Quote: Gluxar_
      then you need to continue the chain further. But for bucks you can only buy treasuries nominated in bucks. So tries these bucks China then?
      After all, the point is this. If China needs something = it is in the USA, then it will buy it for what has already been accumulated. China will not continue to sponsor its competitor.

      So that's great . let them try to sell something to America for the yuan - I laugh.
  • atalef
    atalef 28 November 2013 08: 50
    +4
    Quote: karal
    Probably China wants to make its yuan hard currency. And who then will buy consumer goods from them for this money?

    These actions (of China) will have a very smooth character (therefore, they almost did not pay attention to the media) because it’s understandable that the dumping of dollars and bonds of the state loan will lead to the appreciation of the yuan and, as a result, the competitiveness of Chinese goods in the world will also lead to inflation of the dollar and, consequently, to loss the value of accumulated currency reserves, and now ask why does China need this? The next year, and so from the point of view of GDP in China (according to the forecast), it’s far from ice, of course, it’s not a minus, but it’s also a rather weak one, so they won’t start making any sudden movements, they stop buying, it’s quite possible to reset, there’s definitely no way, especially since not yet, the yuan is not converted and certainly does not pull on the world currency, so it’s too early to wave banners, it’s still very far to the death of the dollar
    1. APES
      APES 28 November 2013 08: 52
      +3
      Quote: atalef
      loss of value of accumulated currency reserves


      it seems to me, even now - the value of the accumulated currency in the form of US debts, as well as its value, is rapidly tending to zero
      1. atalef
        atalef 28 November 2013 09: 08
        +1
        Quote: APES
        Quote: atalef
        loss of value of accumulated currency reserves


        it seems to me, even now - the value of the accumulated currency in the form of US debts, as well as its value, is rapidly tending to zero

        no, if it were, it would be expressed at least in inflation, while inflation in dollars is several times less than the ruble, as you explain? And you don’t have to drag the FARS, it can take a ride at international currency trading once or twice, but not for years
        1. APES
          APES 28 November 2013 10: 08
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          while inflation in the dollar is several times less than the ruble, how do you explain?
          ruble inflation is beneficial - and this only applies to rising domestic prices, and there is almost no dollar exchange rate - how do you explain? lol
          Quote: atalef
          at international currency trading

          who controls them - and who determines them?
          Quote: atalef
          can ride once or twice

          ride as much as needed - until the team is
        2. CHILD
          CHILD 28 November 2013 18: 59
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          And you don’t have to drag the FARS, it can take a ride at international currency trading once or twice, but not for years

          but there is no other explanation)))) and it cannot be .... they are not provided .... therefore the purchasing power of the dollar is different, not in time but in geography ...
    2. Mr. Kamber
      Mr. Kamber 1 December 2013 23: 38
      0
      China needs to replace the dollar with the yuan, and for this it will go to a lot, and even more so for the loss of debts that no one is going to give back.
  • Mviktor
    Mviktor 28 November 2013 12: 36
    0
    domestic market and will buy. Well done, the Chinese care about their people
    with a strong yuan they will buy up the whole world
  • Cherdak
    Cherdak 28 November 2013 15: 29
    0
    Quote: karal
    Probably China wants to make its yuan hard currency.

    However, China has now announced that it is time to stop accumulating US dollars.

    There are a lot of such countries, including Russia. Conducting transactions through the American dollar actually secretly feeds America (including inherent in exchange rate fluctuations).

    And as for consumer goods, you got a little excited
  • Igor39
    Igor39 28 November 2013 17: 22
    +1
    So they flew on their B 52, well, now the Yankees will get rich, they will now have so many dollars and no need to print ... smile
  • Gluxar_
    Gluxar_ 28 November 2013 20: 09
    -1
    Quote: karal
    Probably China wants to make its yuan hard currency. And who then will buy consumer goods from them for this money?

    All who buy today. Moreover, in the future, this could even out the balance of trade of China itself. Most importantly, steps in this direction have been taken for a long time. There is a whole block of countries with which China trades in national currencies, and not just in RMB. For example, Russia.
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 29 November 2013 00: 11
    0
    And who will fill the market with cheap products? Who is able to saturate the market with cheap consumer goods? Neither the Americans are not gayropeytsy for the soup will not work !!!!!! They are already used to cheap products. What should they do? A high standard of living needs to be maintained, otherwise they will start asking questions like "what is the meaning of life" or why the heck do you need such drivers? laughing especially "oppressed African Americans and other Turks" will start hanging decorations on poles!


    Which way out? Any thoughts?
  • bairat
    bairat 28 November 2013 06: 51
    +1
    But why is it rejoicing then? I understand if they clashed seriously, for destruction. And so, well, the world hegemon will change, do you think the Chinese will be better than the Americans ?.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 November 2013 07: 04
      +8
      Quote: bairat
      Do you think the Chinese will be better than the Americans ?.

      In any case, China does not impose democracy on us and does not meddle in our internal affairs.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 28 November 2013 07: 24
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        In any case, China does not impose democracy on us and does not meddle in our internal affairs.

        It does not climb yet. You need to be friends with such a neighbor, but keep the club near by. Hi Sanya hi
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 November 2013 07: 30
          +4
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          It does not climb yet

          Hi Ingvar! And how do you imagine that China will climb into our affairs? We have a different culture, faith, race is impossible.
          1. bairat
            bairat 28 November 2013 08: 46
            0
            It may not be useful in internal affairs, but there is already a desire to impose our price on the oil and gas supplied to us now. If they have additional economic leverage then I’m afraid they will sell the creation of concessions on special conditions, in general, there is little fun.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 28 November 2013 09: 51
              +1
              Quote: bairat
              but there is a desire to impose on us our price on oil and gas supplied to them now.

              And in Europe, what’s different is the law of the market, someone wants to sell at a higher price, and someone wants to buy at a cheaper price. So nothing new.
              1. bairat
                bairat 28 November 2013 11: 29
                +1
                Well, compare how much we sell gas and oil to Europe and China. The Chinese do not want to hear about stock prices.
                Electricity was sold to Chinese "comrades" at a ruble forty per kilowatt, which is several times less than the price for Europeans, domestic prices are three times higher. I don’t understand how this is possible except from rough economic pressure.
          2. APES
            APES 28 November 2013 08: 50
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            that China will get into our affairs

            our affairs are not particularly interesting to him,
            but the fact that there is a quiet expansion is not difficult to see, how many of them are already in the Far East?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 28 November 2013 09: 52
              +3
              Quote: APES
              but the fact that there is a quiet expansion is not difficult to see, how many of them are already in the Far East?

              What is the expansion, where ???? They are now much smaller than they were five years ago. Come and see for yourself.
              1. APES
                APES 28 November 2013 10: 37
                0
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                They are now much smaller


                in the Far East was - 8 years ago - the sediment remained.
                if so - then I'm only glad
          3. predator.3
            predator.3 28 November 2013 08: 55
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            It does not climb yet

            Hi Ingvar! And how do you imagine that China will climb into our affairs? We have a different culture, faith, race is impossible.


            In principle, as in that joke, in small groups of several million people!
          4. atalef
            atalef 28 November 2013 08: 58
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            It does not climb yet

            Hi Ingvar! And how do you imagine that China will climb into our affairs? We have a different culture, faith, race is impossible.

            As he climbs to everyone else, My friend worked in Angola (mechanic in the garage), and so there the Chinese just press everyone and they don't care that these are poor and unhappy "enslaved" blacks, and China is like socialist, behave worse than whites colonizers, by the way, in Canada (I just witnessed) they, too, somehow not very quiet and calmly behave, crush under themselves regardless of the color of the skin (local) or differences in culture, and they themselves go to the market - they all are you so tolerant? Then this and that
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 28 November 2013 09: 56
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              nor the differences in culture, and even the market itself is similar, are they all so tolerant with you? That and that

              Hi Sanya! I was at the market, they are quiet there, you can believe me. They only buzz when they steal from them impudently.
              1. atalef
                atalef 28 November 2013 10: 14
                +3
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Quote: atalef
                nor the differences in culture, and even the market itself is similar, are they all so tolerant with you? That and that

                Hi Sanya! I was at the market, they are quiet there, you can believe me. They only buzz when they steal from them impudently.

                Or when there are a lot of them, am I right?
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 28 November 2013 11: 13
                  0
                  Quote: atalef
                  Or when there are a lot of them, am I right?

                  There are only a lot of them on the market, but there is a problem, there are even more Russians there wassat
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 28 November 2013 11: 17
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Quote: atalef
                    Or when there are a lot of them, am I right?

                    There are only a lot of them on the market, but there is a problem, there are even more Russians there wassat

                    Maybe in Russia and so, in Kiev I saw a market, some Chinese
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                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 28 November 2013 11: 30
                      +1
                      Quote: atalef

                      Maybe in Russia and so, in Kiev I saw a market, some Chinese

                      We have a Chinese market, but the buyers there are Russians laughing
              2. Mhpv
                Mhpv 28 November 2013 10: 21
                +1
                Why are they buzzing if in Moscow they dominate the markets, offering higher rents, and as they say they are compensated by the state. So they are pressing, because the money is still returned to the state from the mass sale of goods from the Middle Kingdom.
              3. CHILD
                CHILD 28 November 2013 19: 08
                0
                nationalism is very close and familiar to the Chinese)))) so the neighbors are so-so .... and their catchphrase (they teach in chorus) .... "Seryoga !!!! Friend !!!! Help !!!!"
          5. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 28 November 2013 10: 35
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            ! And how do you imagine that China will climb into our affairs?

            China is slowly leading a quiet expansion in the Far East. True or false come to permanent residence. They occupy empty villages, and in the cities they are already full. In the event of a change in the political vector, the Kosovo option is quite possible.
            1. 31231
              31231 28 November 2013 11: 07
              0
              I don’t know what villages you are talking about. In 2011, he worked in the districts of Nakhodka, Partizansk, Ussuriysk and did not see any Chinese villages. I saw the melon plantations cultivated by Koreans, I saw the Chinese in the markets of Vladik, Ussuriysk, Nakhodka. Interest to 50 traders were Chinese.
              Where do you get data on the dominance of the Chinese in the Far East? We in Eburg have as many of them on the market.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 28 November 2013 11: 17
                +2
                Quote: 31231
                I saw the melon plantations cultivated by Koreans, I saw the Chinese in the markets of Vladik, Ussuriysk, Nakhodka. Interest to 50 traders were Chinese.

                I got to grips with one Chinese in the market and say, hear-wali to your China am And he’s me - I’m not Chinese, I’m Vietnamese laughing To which I replied, what difference is the only thing that occurred to me at that moment laughing
                1. 31231
                  31231 28 November 2013 11: 29
                  +1
                  Bggg. And then we write them in one stall. Just like Americans all write with the scoop in Russian.
              2. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 28 November 2013 11: 49
                0
                Quote: 31231
                Where do you get data on the dominance of the Chinese in the Far East?

                A friend went to logging last year, says that there are many Russians only in cities, mostly Chinas at the clearings.
                1. 31231
                  31231 28 November 2013 15: 00
                  0
                  I will not speak for acquaintances. ESPO-2, Lots 12,11,10 were cut down by Russian offices and hard workers.
                  The railway to the Elginskoye deposit (Amurka, south of Yakutia) was cut down by Russian IPs, who had an international from Koreans to Russians in hard workers.
              3. CHILD
                CHILD 28 November 2013 19: 11
                0
                drive through the fields of the Moscow Region, look at it)))) they are all here marching)))))
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 28 November 2013 11: 15
              0
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              True or false come to permanent residence. They occupy empty villages, and in the cities they are already full. In the event of a change in the political vector, the Kosovo option is quite possible.

              Yes, this is where it is, name the settlement-city.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 28 November 2013 11: 56
                0
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Yes, this is where it is, name the settlement-city.

                In Blagoveshchensk, about 10 percent of the Chinese population.
                P.S. Of course I didn’t think so, so don’t pin up. laughing
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 28 November 2013 12: 38
                  +2
                  Quote: Ingvar 72

                  In Blagoveshchensk, about 10 percent of the Chinese population.

                  Previously, there were really a lot of Chinese people in the Benefit of the Chinese, but when all the casinos were closed, they had nothing more to do in the Benefit. laughing
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 28 November 2013 13: 22
                    0
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    but when all the casinos were closed, they had nothing more to do in Good

                    Did you leave a lot?
        2. APES
          APES 28 November 2013 08: 48
          +1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          but keep the club near by


          better above your head, and so that it also sways - to create the impression that it can accidentally fall at any moment ...
          good hi
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 28 November 2013 10: 38
            +1
            Quote: APES
            good hi

            Hi Andrew. hi I agree, you need to at least create the appearance of decisiveness.
      2. atalef
        atalef 28 November 2013 08: 54
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: bairat
        Do you think the Chinese will be better than the Americans ?.

        In any case, China does not impose democracy on us and does not meddle in our internal affairs.

        Hi, Sash, I understand Moscow is far away, China is close (to you), but believe it does not climb yet, or rather it climbs very softly, the Chinese have never been distinguished by love for their neighbors (you already know that), so hope that Russia will stay away from their trepidation, not true
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 November 2013 09: 57
          0
          Quote: atalef
          but believe me, it’s not climbing yet, or rather, climbing very softly,

          Where are they, do you even show in which taiga to look for them?
          1. atalef
            atalef 28 November 2013 10: 16
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: atalef
            but believe me, it’s not climbing yet, or rather, climbing very softly,

            Where are they, do you even show in which taiga to look for them?

            probably in this
            Russia leased China 1 million hectares of forest for deforestation - this shocking news came in February and for some reason did not cause the slightest resonance. The representative of the PRC said that the Chinese economy is in dire need of forest resources, and therefore considers Russia with its huge timber reserves as the main strategic partner. The Federal Forestry Agency said that the pilot project provides for "the organization, under the conditions of forest legislation of the Russian Federation, of an enterprise with the participation of Chinese capital, which will carry out forestry, logging and processing, including pulp production, on the territory of the forest fund." The experimental site will be one of the regions of Siberia. To identify the most profitable area, Rosleskhoz expressed its readiness to provide the Chinese side with "any information on timber stocks in Russia and methods for its development."
            1. 31231
              31231 28 November 2013 11: 17
              +2
              Full info on the topic: http://kostroma.spravedlivo.ru/news/review-media/55390.html

              Do you read carefully? After a loud headline it is written that the Chinese give money to create an enterprise.
              Is it okay that several timber processing enterprises in Siberia already have Japanese capital in part or in whole?

              The author of the article most likely deliberately entered into the list of rent 1 million hectares for thickening the colors and shouting "everything is gone!" In general, this all-pervasive person really represents what 1 million hectares for rent is ?! It is high time to enact the law for libel. For they say that they did not get there, while they do not even bother to document it.
              News from the category "NATO base in Ulyanovsk". And you Jews are happy to replicate this nonsense.
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 28 November 2013 11: 27
              +3
              Quote: atalef
              Russia leased China 1 million hectares of forest for deforestation - this shocking news came in February and for some reason did not cause the slightest resonance.

              And who takes such nonsense seriously. Sanya, the article is full of crap !!! Designed for people like those who read it and immediately put it to you. Those who set it will not run to check, and tomorrow this news will tell everyone laughing
              1. atalef
                atalef 28 November 2013 13: 12
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Quote: atalef
                Russia leased China 1 million hectares of forest for deforestation - this shocking news came in February and for some reason did not cause the slightest resonance.

                And who takes such nonsense seriously. Sanya, the article is full of crap !!! Designed for people like those who read it and immediately put it to you. Those who set it will not run to check, and tomorrow this news will tell everyone laughing

                It is quite possible that in general in the media they write so much mess, and they know best of all how exactly those who live there, here you write and I agree with you, because you know better there.
                By the way, this concerns articles about us. hi
                1. 31231
                  31231 28 November 2013 15: 04
                  +1
                  By the way, the forest area of ​​the Moscow region is 2 million hectares. And the author of the article speaks not only of deforestation plots and the collection of fees + auction allowances, but also about RENT !!!!!!
      3. Lesnik
        Lesnik 30 November 2013 02: 46
        0
        Very funny! negative
    2. APES
      APES 28 November 2013 08: 44
      +2
      Quote: bairat
      if they clashed seriously

      I think that soon there will be a provocation on the border between Korea
      1. True
        True 28 November 2013 10: 32
        +1
        Quote: APES
        I think that soon there will be a provocation on the border between Korea
        What about Japanese?
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 28 November 2013 07: 01
    +2
    yes ... business ... China is feeling more and more confident, the states are seriously "hit" it seems! apparently they will not be the Middle East now ...
  • bomg.77
    bomg.77 28 November 2013 07: 08
    +5
    Quote: mirag2
    Lord, it happened. BV.

    In my opinion, this is a joint blow to the golden billion with Russia, Brazil and India (BRICS). Armenia, Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Syria, all this is interconnected and very quickly done. Chunks of meat are pulled out from the capitalists.
  • makarov
    makarov 28 November 2013 07: 08
    +3
    I would not express myself so categorically, but from there to draw erroneous conclusions. Familiar with the earlier material. In reality, in addition to dollars, it also refers to the euro and another currency. But only the dollar is mentioned in the title of the article. Technology is again watered - throwing in material with elements of information restriction, which naturally entails erroneous conclusions from the reader. Or maybe it is so? Who knows(?)
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 28 November 2013 07: 46
      +5
      Quote: makarov
      An early sign with the material
      I read it a couple of days ago and the Chinese minister says about the reduction of the entire currency, and if I am not mistaken, their basket looks like this: 60% dollar, 25evro% 10% pound sterling 3-4% yen remaining, other currencies. large and it’s not enough for all of the above, but if BRICS connects to it, then the collapse is inevitable and the pyramid will collapse.
  • d_trader
    d_trader 28 November 2013 10: 14
    +3
    The planes flew on November 26, and the article dated November 21, so by. If only this is not an asymmetric US response to China :))
  • Hunghuz
    Hunghuz 28 November 2013 10: 23
    +2
    hi So sho change yuan to shekels or vice versa ....... ??? pay panov?
    1. atalef
      atalef 28 November 2013 10: 33
      +1
      Quote: Hunghouse
      hi So sho change yuan to shekels or vice versa ....... ??? pay panov?

      What will you do with shekels in Russia? Although if you have a foreign currency account, maybe yes, in any case, inflation is minimal, and what interest will be given on the deposit?
  • Canep
    Canep 28 November 2013 10: 40
    0
    Quote: mirag2
    Lord, it happened. What is it? The asymmetric response of China to the United States to violate its airspace?
    Yes, Obama correctly attended to the problem of the Pacific region instead of BV.

    If the Americans enter their (Chinese) airspace a couple more times, then the Chinese can put up for sale US debt securities and their bucks, and thereby protect themselves from further provocations, because American pilots in a couple of months will simply have nothing to pay their salaries, not to mention the purchase of kerosene for the B-52.
  • Rus2012
    28 November 2013 11: 13
    0
    Quote: mirag2
    Lord, it happened. What is it? The asymmetric response of China to the United States to violate its airspace?

    Alas, this happened before ... bully
    As for the violation of airspace, the reaction of KVM will be later.
    In amers, the left hand doesn’t seem to know what the right hand is doing (i.e., the military) :))))
  • rolik
    rolik 28 November 2013 12: 02
    +1
    Quote: mirag2
    Lord, it happened

    The main thing is not to oversleep and get rid of the dollar in time. This is probably why the GDP has begun the process of removing the Central Bank from the custody of the government. Convert mattress debt guano into gold and sleep peacefully.
  • alexng
    alexng 28 November 2013 12: 53
    0
    Probably the world's "thimblers" slowly and quietly approached the polar fox, and the dollar "bespontovo" turns into a fallen autumn leaf.
  • Reasonable, 2,3
    Reasonable, 2,3 28 November 2013 15: 08
    0
    Garbage is all this. China is tied to the US economy, and vice versa. They will not harm themselves. And China is becoming partner No. 1 for the USA. And Japan and South Korea will go sideways.
  • edge
    edge 28 November 2013 17: 40
    0
    Quote: mirag2
    Lord, it happened. What is this? China's asymmetric response

    Nope, just a toad about 6 years ago, China ... Threat they bought 35 tons of gold from state carriers, but when checking it turned out that it was gilded tungsten, then they wiped away, now they remembered
  • Gluxar_
    Gluxar_ 28 November 2013 20: 06
    0
    Quote: mirag2
    Lord, it happened. What is it? The asymmetric response of China to the United States to violate its airspace?
    Yes, Obama correctly attended to the problem of the Pacific region instead of BV.

    However, he was already late. BV detained him for 3 years.
    Well what can I say. The process has begun. It will be interesting to read the comments of the State Department mongrel. Just yesterday, there was an article about a US bomber over a Chinese air defense zone. Here is the answer, gentlemen, the capitalists.
  • Mitek
    Mitek 30 November 2013 18: 24
    0
    Quote: mirag2
    Lord, it happened. What is it? The asymmetric response of China to the United States to violate its airspace?
    Yes, Obama correctly attended to the problem of the Pacific region instead of BV.

    Nonsense. If there was such a decision, then all the government media in China voiced it. And this is said by an unknown Internet portal.
    China will certainly pursue a similar policy, but not at the same time. A sharp drop in the dollar is a rise in the Chinese currency. And this is a decrease in the competitiveness of Chinese products.
  • mirag2
    mirag2 28 November 2013 06: 45
    +2
    Yes, it’s not in vain that the Americans were stocking up 2 coffins (each on the 000th cadavre), that’s what the United States is doing right, so much is planned in advance.
  • Edward72
    Edward72 28 November 2013 06: 45
    +1
    I’m certainly not an economist, but in my opinion it’s enough to support the American candy wrapper. It’s time to finally think about yourself. It’s far from everything is smooth, oh how not smooth in Russia.
    1. karal
      karal 28 November 2013 06: 47
      +1
      While the official keeps his reserves in world currency, we can’t get anywhere from this, plus the sale of oil for dollars, for rubles, because nobody buys it.
      1. Veter
        Veter 28 November 2013 06: 52
        +4
        Quote: karal
        for rubles because nobody buys it.

        Nobody sells it for rubles ...
      2. mirag2
        mirag2 28 November 2013 06: 53
        +1
        It is not the official’s money lying in euros (bucks) that prevents him from abandoning the dollar, but the actual dependence of the world economy on it.
        No one bothers to agree to sell oil for rubles, only then we will snatch sanctions against ourselves, and then protect our fagots with the help of the sixth US fleet.
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 28 November 2013 06: 53
    +2
    hi Russia also doesn’t doze off, it’s time to get rid of green papers; buy gold for bucks, especially since the price of gold is quite low (compared to 2012). Gold will always be in price. winked
    1. Asgard
      Asgard 28 November 2013 07: 11
      +1
      There is NO physical gold on the market ....
      The so-called metal accounts))) that the essence is bucks ....
      Well, or tungsten ingots)))

      The Rothschilds gave the go-ahead to spread rot on the United States, the signing of the association by Ukraine is questionable, and without the Ukrainian market, the European Union will collapse faster than the United States, which is not beneficial to the so-called "money changers" a group of bankers supporting multi-currency Trade relations ... and not the dominance of ONE currency ...

      By the way, this decision will hit China well)))
      The pace will fall, trade balances will be in a rush ... CHAOS, BETTER in the Middle East ....
      With the Olympics certainly will not work)))))
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 28 November 2013 07: 32
        +1
        Quote: Asgard
        With the Olympics certainly will not work)))))

        Unless snow falls in Sochi laughing
        1. atalef
          atalef 28 November 2013 09: 05
          +6
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: Asgard
          With the Olympics certainly will not work)))))

          Unless snow falls in Sochi laughing

          Already purchased (last year) so do not be afraid, the bite will be laughing
          Israeli high-tech company IDE, one of the leading places in the world for the production of snow cannons and artificial snow, is likely to accept the proposal of the President of the Russian Ski Association, who is visiting Israel.
          In this regard, it is worth noting that Israeli know-how is in great demand in conditions of global warming, as it is able to work productively at temperatures above 20 degrees Celsius.
          Paradoxical as it may sound, Israeli snow cannons successfully create snow cover on the Swiss Pitztal Glacier and the Austrian ski resort of Stubai (also a glacier). However, it is the Israeli snow that adorns the alpine slopes of Tyrol, Aosta and other prestigious places for lovers of mountain sports.

          Jews sell snow to Russia - anecdote
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 28 November 2013 10: 45
            +3
            Quote: atalef
            Jews sell snow to Russia - anecdote

            And after that, you ask why the Jews do not like? laughing Hi Sanya. hi
            1. atalef
              atalef 28 November 2013 11: 07
              +4
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Quote: atalef
              Jews sell snow to Russia - anecdote

              And after that, you ask why the Jews do not like? laughing Hi Sanya. hi

              Hi Igor, well, we can drive ice cream to the Eskimos in the winter, if desired laughing
              In general, I myself was in shock, I did not know that the best snow cannons in the world are made here, and the plant in the desert belay
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 28 November 2013 07: 25
      +4
      Quote: Valery Neonov
      Russia, too, do not doze off, it is time to get rid of green papers; buy gold for bucks

      Not sleeping wink -Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Science Mikhail Degtyarev (LDPR) has prepared amendments to the law "On precious metals and precious stones." If the colleagues of the parliamentarian in the lower house support the changes, then starting from 1 on January 2014, the export of gold (in the form of ingots and ore) will be completely prohibited for both Russian citizens and non-residents.
      More:here Valery, hi !
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 28 November 2013 10: 48
        +1
        Quote: Tersky
        Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Science Mikhail Degtyarev (LDPR) has prepared amendments to the law

        LDPR also prepared a law on the protection of the Russian language, and where is it? Wait and see.
      2. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 28 November 2013 10: 56
        0
        Quote: Tersky
        Not slumbering, -Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Science Mikhail Degtyarev (LDPR) has prepared amendments to the law "On precious metals and precious stones." If the colleagues of the parliamentarian in the lower house support the changes, then starting from 1 on January 2014, the export of gold (in the form of ingots and ore) will be completely prohibited for both Russian citizens and non-residents.
        Read more: here Valery,!

        Deputies work too slowly if they work for Russia.
        On average, Russia produces 150 tons of gold per year, and its gold reserve is only 957.8 tons less than that of Germany, France, and Italy that does not mine gold.
        85% of mined gold is exported from Russia to no one knows where and why.
        1. alone
          alone 28 November 2013 19: 28
          0
          Quote: Corsair5912
          85% of mined gold is exported from Russia to no one knows where and why.


          very well known. that who endures knows where and why endures! yes
  • Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 28 November 2013 06: 56
    +1
    On the one hand, the news is good, the states have long earned a good kick for a fat ass. On the other hand, China’s growing power is not happy. Having such a neighbor is extremely dangerous. And there are no guarantees that Russia will not be the next target.
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 28 November 2013 07: 05
      +2
      Oh, well, in no way thinks that China can threaten us!
      Well, live in the states of a million or two Chinese, so what?
      Well, they will come to live with us, well let them, although they are not such criminals as others. Their crime lurks inside and does not go outside, and it does not concern others. They are working people.
      They can buy land (as in Africa), their population is aging sharply because of the "one family, one child" policy, the average Chinese has no money to raise a child.
      And what kind of aggression on his part, when he himself is concerned about his defense on the part of the overseas neighbor (USA) that is obviously aggressive towards him, and his first goal, if anything, is Japan.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 28 November 2013 10: 52
        0
        Quote: mirag2
        Well, live in the states of a million or two Chinese, so what?

        The United States does not have a common border with China, and territorial claims. I repeat, you need to be friends with such a neighbor, but with great care. hi
    2. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 28 November 2013 11: 27
      0
      Quote: Mikhail M
      On the one hand, the news is good, the states have long earned a good kick for a fat ass. On the other hand, China’s growing power is not happy. Having such a neighbor is extremely dangerous. And there are no guarantees that Russia will not be the next target.

      Russia owes nothing to the Chinese and we have nothing to fear.
      The Chinese never encroached on the territory of Russia, unlike the Japanese and their owners of the Yankees.
      And even if they encroached, in the most extreme case, a temporary occupation of Primorye is possible, until the first missile and bomb strike on the territory of China.
  • MolGro
    MolGro 28 November 2013 06: 57
    +3
    Well what can I say. WE BUY IT GOLD AND Real Estate can save about the impending loss of capital !!!
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 28 November 2013 06: 59
      0
      By the way, against the background of an agreement with Iran, oil has fallen in price, but gold has risen in price!
      Doesn’t come up with any thoughts?
    2. bomg.77
      bomg.77 28 November 2013 07: 13
      +1
      Quote: MolGro
      . WE BUY GOLD IT
      It is already necessary to begin, otherwise there are a lot of candy wrappers, and there is a lot of gold.
  • Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 28 November 2013 07: 06
    +2
    I have a nest egg - a couple of thousand dollars, of course, it’s not worth panic, no one is interested in the collapse of the dollar, but I began to think, it will be insulting if they disappear.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 November 2013 07: 33
      +5
      Quote: Anatol Klim
      , it will be a shame if they disappear.

      Do not disappear, glue the toilet with them, it will be modern and creative wassat
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 28 November 2013 07: 34
      +4
      Quote: Anatol Klim
      I have a nest egg - a couple of thousand dollars, of course, it’s not worth panic, no one is interested in the collapse of the dollar, but I began to think, it will be insulting if they disappear.

      The correct solution looks something like this:
      laughing (joke)
    3. True
      True 28 November 2013 10: 40
      +3
      Buy investment coins of the Security Council of the Russian Federation!
  • Same lech
    Same lech 28 November 2013 07: 08
    +3
    A good response from CHINA to the span of US BOMBERS.
    The United States plays with fire like small children and does not quite understand the consequences of its actions in the world.
  • Guun
    Guun 28 November 2013 07: 14
    +1
    We are waiting for the release of candy wrappers in free flight or swimming, we buy the yuan? 0_o
  • MuadDib
    MuadDib 28 November 2013 07: 25
    +2
    I have long thought about buying RMB and opening a deposit in Chinese currency. We must start while he, yuan, costs five rubles.
    1. Guun
      Guun 28 November 2013 07: 27
      +2
      How did it all start with the dollar? Reprinted stsuki and all. Do not step on that rake.
  • shinobi
    shinobi 28 November 2013 07: 48
    +1
    Agreed or not, that’s the question! Russia and China. And this idea was voiced two years ago at the SCO summit. On the rejection of the dollar and the transition to local Asian currencies.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 28 November 2013 07: 50
    +5
    At the very moment when Chinese goods rise in price due to the rise in the value of the yuan, production will smoothly flow to those countries that do not try to measure themselves with Uncle Sam, but simply want to occupy their poor people with something. At present, equipment for the sewing, or even electronics industry costs a penny, the main thing is contracts for the purchase of products. Well, China will remain with a bunch of stopped factories, and warehouses filled up with products that America and Europe do not want to buy, and most of the Chinese cannot (no money). Most importantly, there are millions of unemployed Chinese. Pushkin wrote about the "Russian revolt, senseless and merciless" - he did not see the Chinese revolt. God forbid then Russia to hold the border - no, not against the Chinese army, but against crowds of hungry Chinese.
  • sasha.28blaga
    sasha.28blaga 28 November 2013 07: 57
    +5
    They have been burying him (the dollar), have been burying him for several years now. Either the pit is small, or the shovel is small, slowly the pit digs. And what about the neighborhood with a strong China, but who cares who the neighbor is, the main thing is that it is strong, and this is always a problem. According to observations, the Chinese have become more civilized compared to those who came to us in the early years. They seemed to have calmed down before the storm.
  • awg75
    awg75 28 November 2013 08: 17
    +2
    if everyone stopped using this green garbage, the United States would fly into the chimney in half a year. to live to see it ...
  • 10kAzAk01
    10kAzAk01 28 November 2013 08: 50
    +1
    ............... Water went to the hut
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 28 November 2013 09: 00
    +2
    The latest statements from China indicate that two irreconcilable world financial "gangs" have clashed, but they are not suicides to destroy the United States! They will make a noise, rattle and, to the sound of the "waves", will crank out some "troubles" known only to them. calm down (it would be better to rest in peace)! The most unpleasant thing is that we do not see the true goals of these demarches!
  • ed65b
    ed65b 28 November 2013 09: 11
    +5
    From the same opera about a dying Russia and a decaying west. Russia, in fact, doesn’t die in any way, but the West cannot catch up with everything. what to guess let's see. By the way, Putin also said that we are slowly shedding the dollar. Maybe everything is agreed?
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 28 November 2013 11: 46
      0
      Quote: ed65b
      From the same opera about a dying Russia and a decaying west. Russia, in fact, doesn’t die in any way, but the West cannot catch up with everything. what to guess let's see. By the way, Putin also said that we are slowly shedding the dollar. Maybe everything is agreed?
      I think so too. Was infa that at the summit in St. Petersburg, Moscow and Beijing, will announce the creation of the currency "TITANA", but seemingly changed their minds, did not sharply collapse, and gradually withdraw capital and not raise panic.
  • groin
    groin 28 November 2013 09: 16
    +1
    The goal? Now all production (large, small, consumer goods), along with technology in China. For them (West) money and their cheap labor, in recent years decent (some even enviable GDP). All at home. Buy-sell, but for yuan, or ruble, or ...
  • patriot2
    patriot2 28 November 2013 09: 21
    +5
    Something I did not notice a drop in the exchange rate of $ on the MICEX! On the contrary, since the publication of this article from 21.11.13/28.11.13/32,87 to 33,18/XNUMX/XNUMX, the dollar has strengthened from XNUMX rubles to XNUMX rubles per dollar.
    If everything was as described in the article, then the rejection of $ China would lead to its collapse on all exchanges in the world. Something does not fit ...
    1. atalef
      atalef 28 November 2013 09: 35
      +5
      Quote: patriot2
      Something I did not notice a drop in the exchange rate of $ on the MICEX! On the contrary, since the publication of this article from 21.11.13/28.11.13/32,87 to 33,18/XNUMX/XNUMX, the dollar has strengthened from XNUMX rubles to XNUMX rubles per dollar.
      If everything was as described in the article, then the rejection of $ China would lead to its collapse on all exchanges in the world. Something does not fit ...

      So I'm talking about something that does not fit.
      Exchanges would react to such news in a second. There are so-called options - futures trading on currency, a thing wildly risky, which is something like a legitimate casino. Meaning - Someone (of course, a brokerage firm listed on the stock exchange) issues a roughly speaking option and declares a dollar in a month will cost 34 rubles, say, players enter into this business and buy bonds - saying (alone) that the dollar will be lower or higher, it happens usually once a month, and having bought an option, you can sell it this month or buy, but before the last day, when the option is closed, you lose everything if you haven’t guessed it or you can get thousands of percent profit (this is like betting on horses) if the dollar dipped and you guessed right, all the bets converge on you (it's rude, but just to make it clearer), so in terms of sales and purchases it’s clear how the dollar will behave and such a message should have dramatically affected people who bought options to raise the dollar , they would start to drop them sharply (in the hope of not losing everything) - t I say again - an option at the close - or pan or was left without any investment, But today I looked at the stock exchange - nothing out of the ordinary OK, ordinary trading, yes, remark- options is a game for investors, that is, it is not a bank game, there are a huge number of private, individual players (he played more than once) and neither FARS can influence or say anything else. Therefore article request
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 28 November 2013 11: 38
        0
        Quote: atalef
        single players (he played more than once)

        so how are you doing?
        1. atalef
          atalef 28 November 2013 11: 55
          +2
          Quote: ed65b
          Quote: atalef
          single players (he played more than once)

          so how are you doing?

          He didn’t become a millionaire, not with my Ryazan face, but in a high profile.
          I didn’t lose or won (except for nerves and lost time) - I need to learn, I can turn off the electricity for them, but the futures are probably not my way, apparently it is written on my forehead - until retirement at 6.30 at work crying
      2. bomg.77
        bomg.77 28 November 2013 11: 53
        0
        Quote: atalef
        But today I looked at the stock exchange - nothing out of the ordinary happened,
        China has made such statements many times, which is why they don’t believe it on the stock exchange, but this time it’s serious. If earlier China always announced a reduction of only the dollar, now it has declared a reduction of ALL foreign exchange reserves.
        1. atalef
          atalef 28 November 2013 12: 00
          0
          Quote: bomg.77
          Quote: atalef
          But today I looked at the stock exchange - nothing out of the ordinary happened,
          China has made such statements many times, which is why they don’t believe it on the stock exchange, but this time it’s serious. If earlier China always announced a reduction of only the dollar, now it has declared a reduction of ALL foreign exchange reserves.

          You know, time has passed (the last Chinese warning in 1896) The Chinese are very prudent in their economies, and when a giant of the economy like China makes a statement - it doesn’t slip by my ears, believe me, I left futures, but that doesn’t mean that I don’t invest in stocks (this is more successful than futures, in my case) and I know how the exchange reacts to the statements of China
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 28 November 2013 12: 23
            0
            Quote: atalef
            and I know how the exchange reacts to the statements of China
            You as a player on the exchange know better hi I won’t argue, but China says it will withdraw 30 billion dollars a year, maybe because of an insignificant amount, stockbrokers do not panic?
            1. atalef
              atalef 28 November 2013 12: 25
              0
              Quote: bomg.77
              Quote: atalef
              and I know how the exchange reacts to the statements of China
              You as a player on the exchange know better hi I won’t argue, but China says it will withdraw 30 billion dollars a year, maybe because of an insignificant amount, stockbrokers do not panic?

              Yes, what kind of player am I, tears, so on 2 family trips a year abroad can earn,
              By the way, Chinese 30 billion a year with reserves in 3 trillion, how many years to get rid of? It turns out more than for 100 (including interest on bonds) So that
              It’s a pity only to live in this wonderful time, I don’t have to either you hi
              1. bomg.77
                bomg.77 28 November 2013 14: 02
                0
                Quote: atalef
                Yes, what kind of player am I, tears, so on 2 family trips a year abroad can earn,
                In the plus means not a bad player!
                Quote: atalef
                By the way, Chinese 30 billion a year with reserves in 3 trillion, how many years to get rid of? It turns out more than for 100 (including interest on bonds) So that
                They have less in my opinion, and 30 can be increased progressively
                Quote: atalef
                It’s a pity only to live in this wonderful time, I don’t have to either you
                As for the beautiful time, I don’t know, I don’t know ... I think it will end in a big war.
          2. bomg.77
            bomg.77 28 November 2013 12: 25
            0
            Quote: atalef
            and I know how the exchange reacts to the statements of China
            You as a player on the exchange know better hi I won’t argue, but China says it will withdraw 30 billion dollars a year, maybe because of an insignificant amount, stockbrokers do not panic?
        2. Revolver
          Revolver 29 November 2013 01: 43
          +1
          Quote: bomg.77
          China has made such statements many times, which is why they do not believe on the stock exchange, but this time in my opinion seriously.

          Five hundred first (or maybe even five hundred) last Chinese warning.
          wassat
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 29 November 2013 02: 12
            0
            Quote: Nagan
            Five hundred first (or maybe even five hundred) last Chinese warning.
            His business is to be warned, and there you are already watching. Just don’t say that he didn’t warn. laughing
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 28 November 2013 09: 53
    +6
    Of course, it's still too early to bury the United States, but it's worth thinking about who the United States is a friend to us? No, rather an enemy. An important trading partner? Also not. Maybe the United States is our protector? No. What will we lose from the collapse of the United States? Let the Americans make up all sorts of things for themselves. "predictions" about "temporary weakness" that Russia will collapse in 2020 or some other nonsense, so why should we defend them? I understand that the Russian economy is nothing compared to the American or Chinese, but these are our problems, let's make them "nothing" - "something", the Chinese or the Japanese have done. And if the US falls, then let's push them, "friendly" or "partner" kick in the ass.
  • polly
    polly 28 November 2013 10: 16
    +2
    Our airplane in response to your airplanes ...
  • quadright
    quadright 28 November 2013 11: 07
    +4
    Hurry up, this paper bucks airplane would burn out :)
    1. Rus2012
      28 November 2013 11: 16
      +3
      Quote: quadright
      Hurry up, this paper bucks airplane would burn out :)


      taG? laughing
  • Yura
    Yura 28 November 2013 11: 54
    +3
    Actually, the article refers to the fact that the United States lives on credit and their standard of living is ensured by the cheap labor of Chinese citizens, as far as China is concerned. The Chinese government must think everything was calculated before making such a move. The fall of the dollar and the growth of the yuan on the one hand entail difficulties for the Chinese economy, here it was said in the comments why, but there is another side to this issue, the growth of the yuan and this is how its increased purchasing power in international currency and trading operations will serve as a buffer . Indeed, in order for American production (and China is unlikely to have 100 percent American production, this can’t just be based on the fact that China is still a socialist country, and that China belongs to the USA can be bought for America’s debts to it) so in order for these industries to work, resources are needed, the main of which is not necessary to buy for dollars. And the fact that America is one of the largest consumers of Chinese goods, so far, the USA in terms of population is only a small part of the planet, and in addition, the collapse in purchasing power in the USA is inevitable, it has begun and this process is irreversible, and here China realizes this look out of the impending collapse with the least loss. This will have little effect on domestic demand, since the cost of the product and the growth in purchasing power will be proportional or almost proportional, the import-export fork will also be regulated, which I have little doubt.
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 28 November 2013 11: 56
    +1

    Something will be and will be soon, and it will not end in good.
    BUT!
    This, while the words, "touching the udder." Therefore, the Americans are silent.
  • HAM
    HAM 28 November 2013 12: 30
    0
    The Americans have only one way out - to "democratize" China according to the Libyan scenario.
  • lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 28 November 2013 12: 40
    +8
    China said it would stop saving American dollars

    the ice has broken? it seems we are getting closer to this situation
  • their
    their 28 November 2013 12: 48
    0
    Again the funeral of the dollar, for a long time it will be buried, oh long. China is too dependent on the welfare of the United States and on the purchasing power of the US population. Hitting the dollar, they will slide with him.

    For example, the daughter of the Chinese president is studying at Harvard quietly for himself, and not somewhere in Beijing. This says a lot.
  • Internal combustion engine
    Internal combustion engine 28 November 2013 12: 53
    +2
    If you owe a thousand, then this is the problem of your debtor, and if you owe a million, then this is your problem. It is impossible for a China that has wealth in the form of a pile of dollars to turn it into a pile of simple waste paper. Therefore, sharp collapses with the dollar should not be expected. But the trend on the part of the PRC is the gradual transformation of the accumulated dollars into real assets that you can touch with your hands. Although, however, even if you can’t cash out dollars, it’s okay, this pile of paper is a by-product of China’s rapid industrialization. For the rapid industrialization of the country and the kilotons of these pieces of paper is not a pity.
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 28 November 2013 13: 03
    0
    I'll keep the ruble short laughing
  • DimYang
    DimYang 28 November 2013 14: 33
    +1
    According to Reuters, crude oil futures on the Shanghai Futures Exchange may soon begin to be valued in RMB ...

    And here is another small step (or maybe not so small) to the war. Yes, the United States will die very painfully. We are also not too happy about this. It is not in vain that the defense budgets of the leading players (let's call them that) are, in my opinion, prone to increase striking weapons and attack weapons. The world is changing right before our eyes, with increasing acceleration. Puppeteers are known. But who is the director?
  • patriot2
    patriot2 28 November 2013 15: 23
    +1
    Head of the Ministry of Economic Development of the Russian Federation Alexey Ulyukaev It implies an increase in the depreciation of the ruble after the end of the tax period.

    The value of the dual-currency basket and the euro at the end of November reached four-year highs. The end of October and November was for the ruble a month of major losses.

    The value of the dual-currency basket (which the Central Bank of the Russian Federation focuses on in exchange rate policy) for the month (from October 24, httpt increased by 1,33 rubles (3,6%). At the same time, the euro exchange rate increased by 1,25 rubles (2,9%) ), the dollar exchange rate - by 1,42 rubles (4,5%).
    INFLATION SHOULD CONNECT WITH THIS GROW!
  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 28 November 2013 15: 37
    +2
    Stopping saving dollars is, of course, a good thing, but there’s no benefit from it.
    Now the Chinese have to figure out how to collect debts from the Yankees.
    1. Victor-M
      Victor-M 28 November 2013 19: 42
      0
      Quote: Corsair5912
      Now the Chinese have to figure out how to collect debts from the Yankees.

      The territory will pay.
  • patriot2
    patriot2 28 November 2013 16: 17
    +1
    Gold and foreign exchange reserves of the Russian Federation decreased to the level last recorded more than two months ago. At the end of the reporting date, November 22, 2013 the volume of gold reserves in their weekly calculation amounted to 505,9 billion US dollars. This is the lowest figure since September 13, follows from the materials of the Bank of Russia.

    As of November 15, the gold and foreign currency reserves amounted to $ 507,7 billion. Thus, foreign exchange reserves decreased by $ 1,8 billion, or 0,35%, during the reporting week.

    In the current year, gold reserves reached their maximum value at the reporting date of January 4 - 537,4 billion dollars. This was their highest figure in about 16 months. Thus, from the beginning of this year, international reserves decreased by $ 29,7 billion.

    The historical maximum of the gold and foreign exchange (international) reserves of the Russian Federation falls on August 8, 2008, when their volume reached $ 598,1 billion. Meanwhile, the figure of $ 10,7 billion registered on April 2, 1999 can be considered the historical minimum.

    Foreign exchange reserves include external assets of the state, which consist of foreign currency, monetary gold, special drawing rights (SDR), a reserve position in the IMF and other highly liquid financial assets.

    Gold and foreign exchange (international) reserves of the Russian Federation are at the disposal of the Bank of Russia and the government of the Russian Federation and can be used to finance the balance of payments deficit, interventions in the foreign exchange markets or for other purposes in the interests of the state.
  • Zubr
    Zubr 28 November 2013 17: 45
    +1
    winked Well, it happened what I was waiting for so long ... Oh, brothers, and it will not be easy for us! Well, let's see what the BRICS bank prepared for us as a response to these pieces of paper. Or in Russia, this measure will provoke production growth or we will be in a big OPE .. hi
  • Arkan
    Arkan 28 November 2013 19: 08
    +1
    Americans should think about it. China will not be alone for long.
  • catapractic
    catapractic 28 November 2013 19: 35
    +2
    I don’t know whether the end of the dollar or the decline of a united China will happen, but it seems that everything will end in blood, big blood, and Russia needs not to go anywhere because China is not our friend, and even Americans.
  • Victor-M
    Victor-M 28 November 2013 19: 40
    0
    It is time to launch belts for export to the USA, they will be useful to them soon, and in large quantities.
  • EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 28 November 2013 19: 47
    0
    Such things are not done in response to a pair of bombers flying through disputed territories. Just because of the frantic work of the printing press, the reserves of not the last states are threatened with depreciation. Here they begin to think how to defend themselves.
  • fero
    fero 28 November 2013 20: 17
    +1
    If China drops American debt bonds, it will bring down the largest market, which it works for. Does he need this? ... hardly. The problem with the dollar is not so easily solved ... otherwise, everything would have been resolved long ago.
    1. EdwardTich68
      EdwardTich68 28 November 2013 20: 21
      0
      How to resolve the problem in a country where the population is fully armed? Collapse social guarantees? Apparently there is simply no way out of the situation,
      so they are "delaying their end" And it will not end as merrily as it began.
    2. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 28 November 2013 20: 52
      +1
      Quote: fero
      If China drops American debt bonds, it will bring down the largest market, which it works for. Does he need this? ... hardly. The problem with the dollar is not so easily solved ... otherwise, everything would have been resolved long ago.

      It just cannot be solved, but China does not want to feed the USA further. The part that the Americans buy will reduce their production or redistribute flows to Africa or South America, to domestic markets. China pays for its production with its ecology. Does it make sense to feed someone for free? So you will work for free? Or be afraid to lose a job where you are not paid? It’s just that the dollar’s ​​tensile strength has come to an end, it’s not just the beginning of the end, it’s the beginning of the main phase of dumping the dollar overboard.
  • Boris63
    Boris63 28 November 2013 22: 35
    0
    Nothing in the world happens spontaneously. China, probably, decided not to “let go” of its yuan much and see how it would “look”. Amers still have no place to go, they have placed so many of their factories in China that they will always buy Chinese goods. The more expensive the yuan, the greater the amount for the goods in dollars, and to print "candy wrappers" in even larger volumes ... I think "Bolivar will not stand it."
  • poquello
    poquello 28 November 2013 22: 42
    +1
    "China detonated a real bomb, but the mainstream media in the US ignored it almost completely."

    yes they have censorship there along the way

    "The American television channel CNN released an interview with Russia's Permanent Representative to the UN Vitaly Churkin and cut out his call to take into account the will of the Syrian people, most of whom support President Bashar al-Assad."
    http://vz.ru/news/2013/11/28/661794.html
  • luka095
    luka095 28 November 2013 22: 54
    +2
    There is nothing surprising in this. They always shout loudly about censoring others, thereby appropriating judicial functions. What’s called, they see a straw in someone else’s eye, and they don’t notice the logs in their eyes ...
    1. poquello
      poquello 28 November 2013 23: 04
      +1
      Quote: luka095
      There is nothing surprising in this. They always shout loudly about censoring others, thereby appropriating judicial functions. What’s called, they see a straw in someone else’s eye, and they don’t notice the logs in their eyes ...

      Yes, I know, but further more, and the shoes of their people are fraught.
  • homosum20
    homosum20 28 November 2013 23: 06
    0
    It is not that simple. By depreciating the dollar, US debts are also being discounted. If the dollar is worth nothing, then the debts are worth nothing (they are in dollars). What prevents the Fed for a pittance to buy them?
    This is the first act. USA without debt.
    The second act - it is important not only for what oil is bought, but also for what it is sold. China can value yuan futures as much as it wants — but if it is sold for dollars, it will simply be left without oil. The largest oil reserves are held by Saudi Arabia (to increase production in its conditions is not such a difficult task). And she sells oil in dollars.
    There are several further possibilities for the development of plots, but most of them, given that the United States has the most powerful army in the world plus NATO, are unpleasant.
    1. poquello
      poquello 28 November 2013 23: 55
      +1
      Beautiful, but in the United States the population is calculated in yuan? or type of debt they will buy and the dollar will fly straight up))), but anyway - there will still be a spectacle on Black Tuesday in the United States.
      Act two - somewhere I heard something that the Chinese and I signed a long-term oil contract.
  • poquello
    poquello 28 November 2013 23: 07
    +1
    "According to Reuters, crude oil futures on the Shanghai Futures Exchange may soon be priced in yuan ..."

    Chinese submarines settled off the coast of the usa?
  • duchy
    duchy 29 November 2013 05: 44
    +1
    Lived. "The world is changing, and most Americans have no idea what this will mean to them. When the demand for US dollars and bonds drops, the goods that we buy in the store will cost much more, our standard of living will decrease, and it will be much more difficult for each of us (including the US government) to borrow money.". It's high time to get used to living on earned funds freebie ends.
  • Sid.74
    Sid.74 29 November 2013 14: 59
    0
    A new report on the Syrian crisis indicates that more than 11 thousands of Syrian children have died in three years of hostilities in this country.

    This report, entitled "The Stolen Future: The Secret Statistics on Child Victims", is the result of research by the Oxford Research Group in collaboration with the BBC News Channel. This report presents statistics on child casualties for the period from March 2011 to August 2013. Of a total of 11420 Syrian children who became victims of the crisis in that country, 389 were killed by snipers, 764 were executed without trial and more than one hundred children were tortured before death.

    The United States must pay for its policy of supporting terrorists and will pay the most valuable dollar they have. First, the American business will be happy with a certain decrease in the dollar exchange rate until inflation turns into hyperinflation. Although this will affect the entire market and Russia will be shocked pretty!
  • slovak007
    slovak007 30 November 2013 08: 42
    0
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: APES
    Quote: karal
    And who then will buy from them

    As an option, Russia

    What and how much? The volume of trade between Russia and China is just a minuscule compared to the States, and the states buy and sell only for bucks is an axiom.

    Literally this month was news, it seems to youDAM promised the Chinese to increase trade between our countries.
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  • DPN
    DPN 30 November 2013 23: 30
    0
    Quote: Max_Bauder
    Now, as for the Chinese, in order not to feed them, we must completely abandon their products, let them give up the dollar making the United States bad, and we will make the Chinese bad,


    Having done the Chinese poorly, We will lose half of the country, and maybe all. You need to live in peace with your neighbors.
  • DPN
    DPN 30 November 2013 23: 30
    0
    Quote: Max_Bauder
    Now, as for the Chinese, in order not to feed them, we must completely abandon their products, let them give up the dollar making the United States bad, and we will make the Chinese bad,


    Having done the Chinese poorly, We will lose half of the country, and maybe all. You need to live in peace with your neighbors.