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General Director of the State Enterprise "Plant named after Malyshev" about the enterprise and its products

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In the 7-8 issue of 2013, the year of the Ukrainian magazine Defense Express, a number of materials about Ukrainian tank construction were published. Our blog offers a squeeze of the most interesting facts given in them.


So, in an interview with the General Director of the State Enterprise “Plant named after Malysheva "Vadim Fedosov reported that the production cycle of manufacture tank "Hold" is 11 months. Plus, the order and delivery of individual components, like armor parts, is another 7 months. According to him, the Oplot tank has a production complication factor of 80 compared to the T-1,8UD of the Pakistani contract. According to the head of ZiM, the company intends to master the full-scale production of guns, tracks, rollers (probably in workshop No. 630) in order to exclude dependence on the import component (including, as you can understand, supplies from other Ukrainian regions). At the next stage, it is planned to enter such a sphere as the production of tank electronics, thermal imaging equipment and the development of software tools focused on their work and interaction. Ideally, the plant intends to return to the situation of the 1930s and early 1960s, when it represented a 95% self-sufficient structure.


The main tank "Oplot" of the first batch of five units, transferred to the Thai army (c) Ukrspetsexport


It is noted that in its present form, the enterprise is extremely costly, primarily because of the excessive number of personnel with an asymmetrical ratio of categories of workers. If at the end of last year there were 4000 employees at the plant, in 2013 900 was fired, but at the same time 200 people were recruited in critical areas for ZIM. By September, 2013 planned to reach the number of 2700 employees, of whom 1500 is employed in production, 500 of auxiliary workers, and the rest - managers, specialists, non-industrial group, etc.

It is noted that the volume of orders is eight times the current capacity of the plant.

Regarding work with the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine (MOU), Vadim Fedosov reported that nine T-64BV tanks had undergone a full cycle of modernization in the Bulat version and were being prepared for acceptance by the military. It is noted that for the plant MOU is not a very reliable partner, and if the policy of the ministry does not change in the near future, it is difficult for the plant to imagine further cooperation with it.

To reduce the cost of energy, the plant completely excluded gas from the technology, and where it is impossible to use local gasholder units. The gas is also 100% excluded in heating, the plant switched to solid fuel - wooden chip briquettes, which are produced independently of the available resources. Workplaces were equipped with energy-saving double-glazed windows. With the current climate, such windows reduce heating costs in office buildings by 2,5 times, and in production areas - by 1,5-2 times.

The motor production of the plant plans to reach the production volume of 50 engines of two modifications per month (including engines for Oplot tanks), plus 25-30 gearbox sets. At the same time, the main component of all contracts held by ZiM is the engine and gearboxes. Before the new year is expected to launch a new production technology for boxes and engines.

Speaking about the Oplot tank, the general director of ZiM noted that it is the only tank in the world that can overcome water barriers to depths up to 1,9 m without preparation. Spending time to prepare to overcome water barriers to 5 m - 20 minutes. The Oplot tank can be under water until the fuel is fully developed, which is no less than 10 hours, while tanks with a fan cooling system for the engine and MTO can be under water forcibly sealed MTO without overheating the entire 15-20 minutes before the engine overheats . As shells of the first stage in the conveyor of the loading mechanism "Oplot" is 28 shells, this is the maximum number for tanks with mechanized ammunition.

At the same time, Vadim Fedosov considers the T-64 to be the most promising machine for Ukraine, since it is most friendly with the economy compared to other tanks. This tank has a huge modernization potential and the plant’s task is to create a new “face” of the tank as soon as possible, and this work is already underway.
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  1. homosum20
    homosum20 28 November 2013 19: 01
    -4
    So what? Who will fight with that?
    1. Nick
      Nick 28 November 2013 19: 42
      +3
      Quote: homosum20
      So what? Who will fight with that?

      With zapadentsy probably ...
    2. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 28 November 2013 19: 55
      +5
      Quote: homosum20
      So what? Who will fight with that?

      Article minus. It is strange that it turned out to be the first. The main point of the article is that Ukrainian tank building refused Russian gas and switched to firewood. I did not see anything else in this article. Well, they still cut staff, with the couple that they do not cope closely with the order. The plant is unprofitable, hence the input to break the contract dumped ...
      There is really something encouraging. Since Ukrainians consider T-64 a priority, then Russia can sell its 2000 T-64 to Ukrainians instead of recycling. Mutually beneficial cooperation will work.
      1. sapran
        sapran 28 November 2013 20: 00
        +9
        You have 145 T-80UD assigned for scrap. If I had my will, I would definitely buy this metal from you. And then it will rot in a couple of years, as well as eleven thousand T-55-62.
      2. mvg
        mvg 29 November 2013 01: 17
        -1
        they have a procurement rate of 12 units a year, their great-grandchildren will be selling .. they will go to Poland to fight with its 900 tanks .. 128 leopards, 500 t-72, and 200 RT-71 with something, and they will take Western Ukraine back, at the same time destroying the NATO bridgehead. And the fact that the plant operates on gas barrels and firewood is cool. They are also going to do electronics. And, if the French panoramic sight with a thermal imager looks like this, then what will the Ukrainian counterpart look like?
    3. Antabka
      Antabka 29 November 2013 14: 30
      0
      Read it please !!!! The plant wants to develop as an independent production. And the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine is an unreliable partner, according to the author. The plant is ready to sell tanks even to Russia, even to Honduras. If only there were orders. Clean business
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 29 November 2013 19: 34
        0
        Quote: Antabka
        The plant is ready to sell tanks even to Russia, even to Honduras

        It’s not ready. The desire to sell does not at all imply the obligatory presence of such an opportunity. Google, the plant is in serious condition, there are no youth in the shops alone pensioners.
        And in general, before giving out something, it is best to think first, and not become like a crow from Krylov’s fable.
  2. Captain Vrungel
    Captain Vrungel 28 November 2013 19: 06
    +2
    Yes, and the T-64 will soon be beyond the means of Ukraine. One hope. On the T-34. With pedestals and memorials, we will start shooting for our tank crews.
    1. Antabka
      Antabka 29 November 2013 14: 33
      +1
      I have heard and in Russia there are not so many tanks. My respect and honor T love -72 qualifying.
  3. makarov
    makarov 28 November 2013 19: 11
    19
    At the expense of "fighting", I do not know, but ready to trade with everyone who is ready to buy.
  4. GastaClaus69
    GastaClaus69 28 November 2013 19: 25
    +3
    It seems that as soon as the battles over the next article subside on the BMPD, the courts immediately post it.
  5. vkrav
    vkrav 28 November 2013 19: 28
    +9
    There are a lot of plans, but there is no one to implement these plans ... And courageous admission that
    that orders are eight times the current capacity of the plant
    confirmation of this.
  6. GastaClaus69
    GastaClaus69 28 November 2013 19: 29
    +3
    At the same time, Vadim Fedosov considers the T-64 to be the most promising machine for Ukraine, since it is most friendly with the economy compared to other tanks. This tank has a huge modernization potential and the plant’s task is to create a new “face” of the tank as soon as possible, and this work is already underway.

    New 64ki modification?
    1. sapran
      sapran 28 November 2013 19: 48
      +2
      their order of 7 subspecies (depending on the pocket) the machine thank God ...
      1. GastaClaus69
        GastaClaus69 28 November 2013 20: 17
        0
        as soon as possible to create a new "face" of the tank, and this work is already underway.

        Judging from the statement, robots are being worked on over the new modification.
  7. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 28 November 2013 19: 34
    14
    I have a lot to do with Kharkov. I studied there at a military school and I have many friends. Therefore, the successes of fellow countrymen are encouraging.
  8. mithridate
    mithridate 28 November 2013 19: 46
    +4
    production workers adapt to difficult economic conditions
    1. sapran
      sapran 28 November 2013 19: 50
      +7
      Since the beginning of "perestroika" they have had a chance to go for scrap metal, as is usually the case with state-owned enterprises "grabbed" for debts.
    2. Farik
      Farik 29 November 2013 01: 21
      +1
      Quote: Mithridates
      To reduce energy costs, the plant completely eliminated gas from the technology, and where it is impossible to use local gas holder units. Gas is also 100% excluded in heating, the plant switched to solid fuel - wood chip briquettes, which are produced independently from available resources.

      Tanks, too, probably will switch to solid fuel instead of solaria. They will add only one more crew member to the position of a stoker or, in connection with the costs, the stoker will also appoint a loader. laughing good
  9. knn54
    knn54 28 November 2013 20: 08
    +7
    At the Plant, CRAZY corruption-management is changing like gloves. There are no young people, everything rests on the enthusiasm of pensioners ...
    Who cares: “Farewell, tanks ... Plant them. Malysheva: everybody will be kicked! ”
    http://antiraider.ua/ucp_mod_ucp_site_arts_show_327.html
    PS On the production of D100 diesel engines, as well as a series of spare parts for D100 and D50 diesel engines (for long-distance and shunting diesel locomotives, as well as for ships), the plant could have got rich in the most direct sense. I stuck with my friends “from behind the hill”, still in shock. I did not expect such chaos ...
    1. sapran
      sapran 28 November 2013 20: 15
      +1
      And what have you posted? and this is like Hepa said so and Doba? Who is the plant merging for the deriban? "Debilko" or "narkosha" in the stream? Although without these characters Kharkiv will lose a lot ...
    2. morpex
      morpex 28 November 2013 21: 49
      +6
      Quote: knn54
      Who cares: “Farewell, tanks ... Plant them. Malysheva: everybody will be kicked! ”

      What's this? News? I can paraphrase you - "Farewell to Ukraine ... The country is being torn apart by everyone!" And I will also be right in my own way. With all this, highlight the positive! Under such conditions, the plant lives and breathes. A monument to them!
      This is what distinguishes us Ukrainians from other nations, because it is our pathological ability to condemn everything and cry how bad we are!
      Not all! Trust me...
      Quote: knn54
      PS At the production of D100 diesels, as well as a number of spare parts for D100 and D50 diesels (

      I agree. But thanks to Anusovich. The "Hammer and Sickle" plant on which the engines were made was safely cut into metal, before having sold the machines with PU to the Chinese. Bravo to the Party of Regions !!!
      1. rolik2
        rolik2 30 November 2013 01: 48
        +1
        Quote: morpex
        "Farewell Ukraine ... The country is being torn apart by everyone!"


        Uralvagonzavod Corporation (Uralvagonzavod) announced the receipt of 9 billion rubles of losses in the first 1,231 months of this year

        http://ura.ru/content/svrd/21-11-2013/news/1052169484.html

        So where are your T-90 contracts?

        Do not rush to bury the Plant to them. Malysheva.
  10. gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 28 November 2013 20: 18
    10
    It is bitter and insulting to read all this, this is all ours, from there from the Union! It is especially unpleasant to see how brothers-Slavs swear among themselves, and the West, looking at this, rather rubs its rather dirty hands. Therefore, I don't watch TV, but what to watch as brother's brother "carries his muzzle on the table" ?!
  11. gych
    gych 28 November 2013 20: 20
    +6
    the production cycle for the Oplot tank is 11 months. Plus, the order and delivery of individual components, like armor parts, is another 7 months! Yes, this is some scribe! Well, what is the productivity per year of 5 10 20 tanks? One is happy even though it works and produces something xztm! The maximum number of tanks was produced by the plant in 1991: eight hundred, the vast majority of which are T-80UD. Most of the tanks went for export. This information was classified until the 2000s [33]. After 1991, the plant never even came close to these indicators [33].
  12. bubla5
    bubla5 28 November 2013 20: 34
    +3
    So many Russian enterprises and small businesses abandoned their own, but expensive Russian gas and smoothly switched to firewood
  13. Stinger
    Stinger 28 November 2013 20: 38
    +3
    If orders appear, they will stand. We had a similar situation when our own were not able to order more than a dozen tanks a year, China and India helped out.
  14. Locksmith
    Locksmith 28 November 2013 20: 42
    +1
    Speaking about the Oplot tank, the general director of ZiM noted that this is the only tank in the world that can overcome water barriers up to 1,9 m deep without preparation. The time spent on preparing to overcome water barriers up to 5 m is 20 minutes. The Oplot tank can be under water until the fuel is completely depleted, and this is at least 10 hours, while tanks with a fan cooling system for the engine and MTO with forced sealing of the MTO can be under water without overheating for only 15-20 minutes before the engine overheats .

    Guys, explain who knows what he meant? How to understand "forced sealing", is that the chtoli radiators are closed? belay
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man 28 November 2013 21: 58
      +1
      Quote: Locksmith
      ? How to understand "forced sealing", is that chtoli radiators are closed? belay

      Maybe I'm wrong, since I'm not a tanker, but the solution here is most likely just the opposite - the radiator (but only it) is not sealed and is cooled by "outboard" water, which excludes engine overheating. And previously the radiator was isolated from water and raced the air inside the MTO, well, you know, 15-20 minutes is even a lot.
    2. sapran
      sapran 29 November 2013 01: 40
      0
      The answer is - if you want to go under water on the T-72 (90) you need to do a little work on sealing the MTO, turning off the fan so that it does not break. After that, you need to very quickly overcome a water obstacle, and then the engine will be seams ...
  15. Onil
    Onil 28 November 2013 21: 29
    -3
    Yes, they have some two-stroke diesel engines there (like motorcycle or boat), they do not require additional ventilation at the same power
  16. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 28 November 2013 21: 56
    +1
    Quote: knn54
    At the Plant, CRAZY corruption-management is changing like gloves. There are no young people, everything rests on the enthusiasm of pensioners ...

    Unfortunately, this is not only your misfortune. And in general, I do not understand if there are orders, production should expand, and not reduce workers. It turns insanity. And it’s easier to want to sell, but it's a pity to pay workers am . They came to capitaadism in the country, which developed in a completely different way. And this trouble of all the republics of the former USSR, including Russia. I don’t even want to comment in more detail, because everyone understands hi
    1. zennon
      zennon 28 November 2013 22: 31
      +1
      And in general, I do not understand if there are orders, production should expand, and not reduce workers.

      Not everything is so simple. I think you understand that it is not possible to simply increase production mechanically without investing very serious funds in the machine tool park (which has been very outdated, I assure you over the past 20 years). Serious investments are required in production in order to meet modern realities. “Where is the money, Zin?” We are talking about hundreds of millions of not hryvnias. Even if you allocate them (which I really doubt very much), then with CRAZY corruption they will simply be taken apart. And modernization will take years. requestWell, of course, the staff. We are all very much behind in the training of qualified specialists. All CIS concerns.
    2. morpex
      morpex 28 November 2013 23: 41
      0
      Quote: Andrew Peter
      And I don’t understand at all, if there are orders, production should expand

      This is the logic of a normal person. So it should be in a normal state. And we have ZONA. Bribes and kickbacks, racket at the state level eats up all the cash. Money just does not reach the plant, and those crumbs that remain are stolen by the factory superiors starting from the director and on. in the chain ..
  17. Volodya Sibiryak
    Volodya Sibiryak 28 November 2013 22: 01
    +2
    Sadly, this is when enterprises in which generations put blood and soul are bent.
  18. bistrov.
    bistrov. 28 November 2013 22: 05
    +8
    Well I do not know. In principle, I’m not a great specialist in the tank field, but by all indications, the entire industry of Ukraine is sinking. Here I can say this authoritatively.
  19. Rattenfanger
    Rattenfanger 28 November 2013 22: 19
    0
    the production cycle for the Oplot tank is 11 months. Plus, the order and delivery of individual components, like armor parts, is another 7 months.

    How long is the production cycle of "Vampire"? winked
    1. sapran
      sapran 29 November 2013 01: 44
      0
      Perhaps 18 years old? Mom + dad + mule + "Alah Akbar" + Hollywood + a few pieces for a safety net something like this. Or am I missing something?
  20. ty60
    ty60 28 November 2013 22: 32
    +3
    Now in the North of Russia, half of the builders are Transcarpathia. I am not against Slavs and brothers. But they cut us wages, they are ready to work for a penny. These houses are noisy like nobles. We need to turn off the crane.
  21. Legioner
    Legioner 28 November 2013 22: 44
    +3
    The article is optimistic to the point of decency. I think that soon Ukraine will not produce much at all, the EU will impose its rules and standards on it and they will pay for used weapons and other equipment and goods as new.
    Example Poland, as reported recently on this site, bought second-hand "Leopards" from Germany, but Poland itself could produce tanks or the Baltic countries where is their industry?
    1. alone
      alone 28 November 2013 23: 29
      +1
      Quote: Legioner
      But Poland itself could produce tanks or the Baltic countries where is their industry?


      As for Poland, I would have agreed. But as for the Baltic states, you obviously went too far. How can the Baltic states build tanks? It's the whole production process. It's not the RAF's to do.
      1. Legioner
        Legioner 29 November 2013 20: 54
        0
        I meant INDUSTRY, because they produced "RAF" minibuses
    2. sapran
      sapran 29 November 2013 01: 50
      +2
      Considering the fact that Poland is carrying out a total "rebranding" of its armed forces, the "Tvyard" as a derivative of the T-72 is of little use for this role. And you missed the fact that she smoothly pulls the blanket for REPAIR and MODERNIZATION. Everyone wants to be Rich and Healthy, but as a rule, there are only such "crossover" units on the earth's globe. accordingly, something that is under the power of the military-industrial complex of Poland they are doing something neighbors.
    3. Antabka
      Antabka 29 November 2013 14: 47
      -1
      Partly your truth sad It all depends on the country's leadership. Regardless of the agreements concluded, despite the requirements of NATO or Russia, Ukraine can establish production and offer its own technology to NATO. That's just who needs it. It's easier to get kickbacks
    4. rolik2
      rolik2 30 November 2013 01: 51
      +1
      Quote: Legioner
      But Poland itself could produce tanks or the Baltic countries where theirs industry


      And that Poland had a full cycle of tank production ??
      1. Legioner
        Legioner 30 November 2013 13: 16
        0
        Yes, Poland could produce tanks in a full cycle, here are historical excerpts:In addition to export supplies, in the late 1970s the Soviet Union began to transfer and sell technical documentation for the production of T-72 tanks abroad. Since 1981, the production of T-72 tanks, and then T-72M and T-72M1 was carried out in Czechoslovakia, and since 1982 in Poland.
        Even if I bought some of the equipment, components, and mechanisms from other countries, this is still not critical. For example, the Turkish tank "Altai" for which the Turks buy an engine in Germany, and many other countries that produce armor equipment enjoy the fruits of scientific and engineering achievements of other countries.
        But again, where are the Polish tanks? Czech? All these countries buy used equipment from the "Bundeswehr", and their industries have put an end to it, or have been reduced to a minimum to repair bases.
  22. svp67
    svp67 28 November 2013 23: 25
    0
    Speaking about the Oplot tank, the general director of ZiM noted that this is the only tank in the world that can overcome water obstacles up to 1,9 m deep without preparation.
    Forgetting to remember the T80U and T80UD, respectively ...
    And in general they say that now the "Tagilians" are recruiting workers from the KhPZ in batches and concluding contracts for work at the UVZ and the Omsk tank plant ...
    1. sapran
      sapran 29 November 2013 01: 52
      +1
      and recruited a lot? I already read this on the "aviation industry" for a long time then spat who fell for
      1. svp67
        svp67 29 November 2013 09: 05
        +1
        Quote: sapran
        and recruited a lot? I already read this on the "aviation industry" for a long time then spat who fell for

        I didn’t consider it, but we’re living - WE WILL SEE that it is better to "spit" and get a normal salary in Russia, or "not spit" to live at the expense of their personal plot ...
        And how many "spat" Ukrainians now work for a pittance in Russia, and why can't they stay at home?
        1. sapran
          sapran 29 November 2013 11: 42
          0
          I specifically answered you on the aviation industry. People who have tried to work in this area are currently working on orders from Boeing as soon as Russia makes a really sensible offer, they will return. You don't need to sing songs about venality, they are specialists in their field, if you have better, it's only + to your specialists. Each product has its own buyer. And for the rest there is such a problem as the language barrier and the labor market in our country they say something like "who is on the same page?"
        2. rolik2
          rolik2 30 November 2013 01: 55
          0
          Quote: svp67
          get a normal salary in Russia

          UVZ has losses of more than a billion, and what they say will pay salaries ???
    2. sapran
      sapran 29 November 2013 01: 57
      0
      we will be correct there according to the passport 1,80 m ..
    3. rolik2
      rolik2 30 November 2013 01: 53
      0
      Quote: svp67
      Forgetting to remember the T80U and T80UD, respectively ...

      And what to remember, you let him in under pres, and where else do they use them?
      1. sapran
        sapran 30 November 2013 02: 08
        +1
        Traditionally "Russian countries" T-80 -Cyprus, T-80U South Korea, T-80UD PAKISTAN
  23. Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx 28 November 2013 23: 44
    +2
    The article is more like ZiM’s funeral obituary despite all optimism. We read between the lines. Self-sufficient production killed. The raw material base is killed. The process chain has been killed. Professional personnel are almost killed. R&D and MTO are killed. Production capacities will shoot themselves without modernization. what Long live the independence! fellow And the production of bloomers based on HTZ. fool
  24. Gronsky
    Gronsky 29 November 2013 00: 10
    +4
    The most specific sadness of course. crying A diamond like ZiM is in such an unenviable position.
    And yet, how powerful the Kharkov tank school should have been, so that even now, after all the mockery of the plant, they continued to issue pretty track items to the mountain.
    It would be great to combine the efforts of Kharkiv and Tagil residents in developing a new generation machine, combining the best solutions and approaches of the two schools. All tanks would have a tank.
    1. sapran
      sapran 29 November 2013 01: 54
      +1
      God forbid !!! Already tried THREE times all three times for smarka !!! Russia has its own way in tank building. Waiting for 2015
      1. Gronsky
        Gronsky 29 November 2013 10: 57
        0
        Quote: sapran
        Already tried THREE times all three times for smarka !!!


        More? I guess I missed something. hi
        1. sapran
          sapran 29 November 2013 11: 49
          +1
          1. Times About 172
          2. Times competition of 1989 About. 478B accepted for joint production with Ob.219AS
          3. On the topic of Boxer, but here the USSR died before everything was summed up
          1. Gronsky
            Gronsky 29 November 2013 12: 38
            0
            Ah, here you are.
            Well, I would not dramatize this experience. It seems to me that the roots of the problem lie in the struggle between intra-industrial and intra-military groups of influence.
            But if you look more broadly, it is obvious that all modern Soviet, Russian and Ukrainian tanks are the essence of the variation on the Kharkov 64-ki theme. Is this not a positive result of mixing and complementing schools and design approaches. Yes, to create a car without flaws is unrealistic, but it is much easier to get closer to the cherished ideal by working with two heads than with one. The most difficult task is to properly organize the interaction of these heads and the process of selecting / crystallizing successful decisions, taking into account the cones filled in Soviet times.
            And 2015 is really looking forward to. What did they get there? It’s just an itch. what
            1. sapran
              sapran 29 November 2013 13: 09
              +1
              Fair. Very doubtful. Then forgive my Omsk plant, they bit it, but about Kharkov you are only stepping on a sore spot. Salvage defeats evil; there is no other way. And much has changed at UVZ their very serious views on the appearance of MBT. So do not try to help them with this.
              1. Gronsky
                Gronsky 29 November 2013 14: 00
                0
                Quote: sapran
                about Kharkov only step on a sore spot


                lol Well, yes, yes, given that Kharkov citizens have always treated with a certain degree of snobbery and arrogance to three other tank centers.
                Perhaps you are right that you didn’t return, but bother with the rise
                Russians will not be a competing firm, which is also a sore spot. Sorry however.
                1. sapran
                  sapran 29 November 2013 14: 40
                  +2
                  Snobbery?
                  Communicating with veterans who served in Kubinka, they are rarely categorical and biased towards any particular machine or plant representatives. All three tanks had shortcomings (some more, some less) All three design bureaus had "patrons" and "crushers" There was even a proverb that it was not a tank that was taken into service, but a batch of aged Armenian brandy of the harvest of such a year and such a blend. There are still more than one engine and turbine on the Kubiki track along the entire route. But the outlined "shmotnechestvo" ruined everything healthy in the bud. Won the foreign ruble, as in other matters, and this hour ...
                  1. Gronsky
                    Gronsky 29 November 2013 14: 56
                    0
                    That in a Cuban woman the earth "rings" from the tried and tested technology, and so it is clear, as well as the fact that the techies who dealt with real technology will not be categorical in their conclusions. But this does not change the arrogant attitude of the chief designers of ZiM towards their colleagues from St. Petersburg, Omsk and Tagil, whose organizations they consider to be secondary, i.e. just derivatives of your loved ones. smile
                    Mindful of the history of the creation of those plants, well, with the exception of Peter.
                    By the way, the beginning of trouble is dashing - http://topwar.ru/36690-rossiya-pomanila-ukrainu-oruzhiem.html
                    1. sapran
                      sapran 29 November 2013 22: 08
                      +1
                      So what did you all set up that "Arrogant"? In what it was expressed If possible, then give the facts. just wondering where did it come from who is behind such serious statements?
    2. small
      small 29 November 2013 09: 19
      -1
      Welcome to the customs union and the factory will be lucky.
    3. Lesnik
      Lesnik 29 November 2013 11: 29
      +1
      The problem is that "effective managers" are too many of these fathers to get to the trough, they want to get to the trough, to crush and cut, and that's all their desires - why the heck should they develop, design, create, if it is possible to cut into metal and share money? And the fact that the plant is still producing products is not "thanks" but in spite of the efforts of the _ranny "statists." Low bow to the plant staff !!!!
  25. VadimSt
    VadimSt 29 November 2013 02: 28
    +1
    Firewood, briquettes ... Judging by the analogy with China, Ukraine will enter the world's leading economies in 30 years. After all, China also began with the slogan - "In every yard, a blast furnace"!
    But seriously, the problems in the military-industrial complex can be used to judge the economy as a whole!

    Firewood, briquettes .... but, "our goal remains unchanged - association with the EU." H&R knows him, whether I have "skis do not go", then whether our politicians are not friends with their heads! True, some of them should be given a favor - they say that professional boxers have a head to eat!
    1. sapran
      sapran 29 November 2013 02: 56
      -1
      Maybe. And on what topic did you defend your thesis (doctoral)?
      1. VadimSt
        VadimSt 29 November 2013 05: 48
        0
        Many defended themselves, having only an idea of ​​where the university is located! And the ability for social activities and political leadership does not at all provide for the presence of champion qualities. I respect him as a world-famous athlete, but I absolutely hate him as a politician. Personally, I have never been able to hear the speech of a state politician from his lips - playing with cheekbones and memorized phrases about "jelly banks and rivers of milk" in Ukraine, in case of joining the EU, a respected politician, they do not!
        1. sapran
          sapran 29 November 2013 11: 34
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          Yes, yes, because as a rule everyone says ... (who did not actually defend themselves), There is only one problem in Ukraine, but Napoleon indirectly expressed it about it. He calls to work conscientiously, to take care of yourself, to be responsible to society - in my opinion this is normal and acceptable anywhere in the world! I'm tired of repeating the same phrase that for all the time of independence, there was not a single "statesman" in power - Dressed communists-Komsomltsi "-" Gostep of the rural spill "and at this stage" purely DONETSKY ". statesman in the end who of them at least on Shcherbitsky as a shadow? Complete contrast with Russia, where with the same "bourgeois" is the construction (restoration) of the state. The countries participating in the Customs Union are a Barrier for Russia, and this is correct according to the state (there is nothing to repeat mistakes of the USSR with the division of the production cycle) in Russia "hopak on a rake" is unpopular (this is not their national dance) .So, all knowledge-intensive things will eventually be concentrated under the leadership of Russia, the rest of the CU participants simply will not stand the marathon in terms of the financial component (it is easier to outbid by experience The United States has a clever head and create working conditions for him than build a chain of cooperatives and pore over its safety). And so on all science-intensive and industrial sectors. Trade and partnerships just not in opposition to the domestic producer or the bourgeois as you please.
  26. Cristall
    Cristall 30 November 2013 17: 26
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    right.
    Join-respect for the workers. Heroes of our time.
  27. Cristall
    Cristall 30 November 2013 17: 26
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    right.
    Join-respect for the workers. Heroes of our time.