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Putin's meeting with the Pope. Expert Comments

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Putin's meeting with the Pope. Expert Comments

Vladimir Putin met with Pope Francis in the Vatican during his official visit to Italy. How the meeting was perceived in the Catholic world and whether the Pope’s return visit to Russia was worth waiting for the Voice of Russia was told by the press-attaché of the conference of the Episcopate of Poland, priest Jozef Klöch, Professor Anchich Nedelko and the Spanish Vaticanist José Manuel Vidal.


“Both the Pope and the President of the Russian Federation are worried about what is happening in the Middle East, especially in Syria,” said the episcopate of Poland, the priest Jozef Klyok, in an exclusive interview with the Voice of Russia,

“The Pope and the President of Russia discussed two main topics during their conversation. First, the critical situation regarding the murders of many Christians in different parts of the world, often under terrible circumstances, is alarming to both. Particularly strong emphasis was placed on this tragic problem.

Second: both the father and the president are worried about what is happening in the Middle East, especially in Syria, where the bloody civil war continues.

Hundreds of thousands of civilians are now suffering, including many children. Vladimir Putin thanked Pope Francis for the letter he sent to the G-20 leaders in September. In it, the head of the Roman Catholic See called on the world's leading politicians to do everything to end the war in Syria, as well as to continue providing humanitarian assistance to Syrian refugees, without which they simply would not survive. In general, the negotiations in the Vatican demonstrated a complete understanding of both parties.

In a conversation with Vladimir Putin, Pope Francis also expressed the opinion that it is necessary to provide an opportunity for representatives of ethnic and religious minorities to participate in the life of Syria. This could reduce the intensity of passions and contradictions in the country.

But there is only one way out of the bloody war in Syria, as the Pope and the President of Russia believe: to act not by force weapons, but exclusively through peace negotiations. Only in this way can the great tragedy be stopped, both high participants of the meeting in the Vatican are sure.

And the last detail: the audience was held in a cordial atmosphere. Vladimir Putin and Pope Francis confirmed that they have good relations. "

The meeting between Vladimir Putin and the Pope is extremely important, Nedelko Anchich, professor and chief editor of the journal Crkva u svetu, told the Voice of Russia:

"For me, as a Catholic and a person, it is very important that the meeting of the Pope of Rome and the President of Russia was organized. I think this is the result of some progress in relations and, perhaps, in the foreseeable future, we can expect the visit of the Pope to Moscow as a sign of rapprochement of all Christians which, as Pope John Paul II said, are no longer distant and unknown to each other, but brothers.

It is very important that Pope and Putin raised the topic of a Syrian settlement. It seems to me personally that on this issue Russian policy is closer to the Vatican than the Western one, some of whose representatives were planning to intervene in Syria, while Russia was calling for a treaty, conferences, rapprochement of the parties. "

Vladimir Putin’s first meeting with Pope Francis reflects the Vatican’s desire to improve relations with the Russian Orthodox Church. This opinion was expressed by the authoritative Spanish Vaticanist, the chief editor of the Catholic magazine Religión Digital Jose Manuel Vidal:

"Relations between the ROC and the Catholic Church, unfortunately, are far from ideal. Apparently, Pope Francis intends to change this situation. He is clearly interested in overcoming the accumulated contradictions and demonstrates a desire to take a course towards rapprochement. Patriarch Kirill only confirms the emerging trend.

Tensions between the ROC and the Vatican are largely associated with the era of Pope John Paul II (head of the Roman Catholic Church from 1978 to 2005. - Ed.). With the advent of Benedict XVI (head of the Roman Catholic Church from 2005 to 2013 - editorial note), the situation gradually began to improve. Francis is trying with all his might to give impetus to this process. The ROC is also showing interest in this. Sure, mutual desire will be the key to success. "
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  1. zub46
    zub46 28 November 2013 18: 49
    +4
    From rapprochement with Catholics we will not be worse. You see, Russia will have a significant impact on the fight against Satanism, under which the peoples around us have fallen.
    1. Asgard
      Asgard 28 November 2013 19: 51
      -7
      FUNNY ....

      Well and so for information: -
      PAPA leads the Church of SATAN !!!!
      Now look at THIS NEWS, from such an "angle" in such a "key" so to speak))))
      What is the need to go to the Vatican ???
      Before this ...., put on a bale, the head of the SECOND GOS-VA, and read certain psalms by the wailing wall ????
      Build "flying temples" for paratroopers and introduce priests (in fact, obscurantists)) into Army units))))
      Why set up churches in cities and towns ?????
      Priests drive cars with registration of the MALTIC ORDER)))))
      Why, by the hands of the "infidels" (Muslim Turks)), the mayor of the KATS (Luzhkov)) built the HHS (Temple of Christ the Savior)) in Moscow ?????

      The answer is obvious: -s and m in about l and s m))))
      - Long live Satanism .....
      1. Andrey57
        Andrey57 28 November 2013 20: 08
        12
        The Vatican is the third financial pole, along with the Rothschild clan and the Rockefeller clan, moreover, equal among equals, look at this point from the visit of GDP, and what the media and other mass media say about Syria and the Middle East in general is officialism , no more wink For this, it’s not necessary to go to the Vatican at all, and he went to the Vatican, and not to Italy. Religion and everything connected with it, in this case, it’s not even a tenth fellow
        1. just exp
          just exp 28 November 2013 21: 54
          +6
          Religion has a direct relation, in Europe the persecution of Christianity began, everywhere cabbage rolls are propagandized.
          Russia stands out here and dad banally turned to his grandfather Pu for help.
          1. xan
            xan 29 November 2013 00: 24
            +3
            Quote: just explo
            Russia stands out here and dad banally turned to his grandfather Pu for help.

            This is no less important for Putin, it is necessary to step on the overgrown LGBT people.
            For reference, the richest regions of Europe, and therefore the most significant, are German Bavaria and Italian Lombardy, with a predominantly Catholic population.
      2. Bosk
        Bosk 28 November 2013 20: 12
        -2
        It’s better not to joke with such things, you ask why? And you imagine that Satan and other evil spirits are just a punitive organ of the Most High ...
        1. Tatanka Yotanka
          Tatanka Yotanka 28 November 2013 20: 44
          +2
          Quote: Bosk
          , and you imagine that Satan and other evil spirits is just a punitive organ of the Almighty ...

          nonsense - because the "punitive bodies" must obey the "supreme" - and these bodies are proud;
          And he said in his heart: “I will ascend to heaven, above the stars of God I will lift up my throne and sit on the mountain in the assembly of the gods, on the edge of the north;
          I will ascend to the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High. ”
          But you are cast out into hell, into the depths of the underworld. (Isa. 14-13)
          1. just exp
            just exp 28 November 2013 21: 56
            +1
            and notice on the edge of what he wants to sit and among whom.
            and it would seem what does Hyperborea have to do with it.
            1. Tatanka Yotanka
              Tatanka Yotanka 28 November 2013 23: 30
              0
              Quote: just explo
              and it would seem what does Hyperborea have to do with it.

              really nothing to do with, what for him hyperborea, if he wants to sit above the world, judging by the upper orientation of the north,
              Quote: just explo
              and among whom.

              do not forget that he equated himself, so from his point of view there are at least not one
              1. just exp
                just exp 29 November 2013 08: 00
                +1
                Elohim is plural, so there were many Elohim, key phrases - "on the mountain", "on the edge of the north".
                that is, on the edge of the north there is some kind of mountain where the gods sit, there are no analogies?
          2. Bosk
            Bosk 28 November 2013 22: 19
            -1
            The most ideal option is if the "punitive bodies" do not obey the "Almighty", but obey the "constitution" in the creation of which the "Almighty" played an important role and all this multiplied by the "human factor" and other "intrigues" ... appears completely not even nonsense ...
            1. Tatanka Yotanka
              Tatanka Yotanka 28 November 2013 23: 08
              +1
              Quote: Bosk
              "constitution" in the creation of which the "Almighty" played an important role and all this multiplied by the "human factor" and other "intrigues" ...

              looming further nonsense:
              Almighty on a sinful person, factors, intrigues, etc., then what will be his holiness then? This is more likely a lot:
              5 And, having elevated Him to a high mountain, the devil showed Him all the kingdoms of the universe in an instant of time,
              6 And the devil said unto him, I will give thee authority over all these kingdoms and their glory, for she is faithful to me, and to whom I want I give it; (Luke 4-5)
              36 Jesus answered: My kingdom is not of this world (John 18)
          3. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 28 November 2013 23: 24
            +1
            Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
            nonsense, because the "punitive bodies" must obey the "supreme", and these bodies are proud

            How could they be proud if, according to tradition, angels do not have free will and choice?
            1. Tatanka Yotanka
              Tatanka Yotanka 28 November 2013 23: 41
              +2
              Quote: Yarosvet
              according to tradition

              and where are these traditions described?
              if the devil tempted Eve, he himself at least knew what good and evil were, and had a choice
              1. Bosk
                Bosk 29 November 2013 00: 20
                +3
                If it were not for this "temptation", then on earth humanity would exist in the number of two persons ... so in this episode we still need to figure out why this "setup" was more good or evil ...
                1. Tatanka Yotanka
                  Tatanka Yotanka 29 November 2013 08: 53
                  +2
                  Quote: Bosk
                  If it were not for this "temptation", then on earth humanity would exist in the number of two persons

                  even before temptation the right to reproduce was given
                  And God blessed them, and God said to them: Be fruitful and multiply, (Genesis 1-25)
                  1. Bosk
                    Bosk 29 November 2013 20: 00
                    0
                    Laziness is also a sin ... but I would not be very surprised that it was the lazy who invented the wheel, again, murder is also bad ... but how the desire for mass murder advanced technology and industry, and so it can be continued for a long time and persistently. What am I leading to ... good and evil is a current at the human level is quoted, and there at the top of such concepts do not exist, this is evidenced by floods, earthquakes and the death of innocent babies. And now about the Bible, I love to read it from time to time, it calms down and so on, so on, so on ... in general, everything is correctly stated there, but there is no absolute faith in it, because ordinary people wrote and rewrote it many times with their thoughts and views on life and constantly behind their backs were their "taxis" who belittled something, exaggerated something ... so we have what we have, but there is a desire to read what was originally ... the very first "edition" and then you can already quote with a clear conscience.
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                1. Tatanka Yotanka
                  Tatanka Yotanka 29 November 2013 23: 53
                  0
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  And where does it say that Eve was tempted by the devil? It is said that it was a snake.

                  Revelation 12: 9: ... So the great dragon, ANCIENT SNAKE, called the Devil and Satan ...
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  And the tradition, according to which the angels do not have freedom, is not described - there is simply such an opinion.

                  that's it
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                    1. Tatanka Yotanka
                      Tatanka Yotanka 30 November 2013 00: 36
                      0
                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      The snake tempter and dragon are definitely not the same thing.

                      find such a definition
                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      And since he did not prevent the rebellion of Satan and the fall of man

                      they had a choice, and if there is no choice, what is the essence of holiness?
                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      that’s how he pushed Eve to care for the forbidden fruit), so he needed it,

                      which way he pushed - find the definition
                      and if demons dwell in people, what problems does the serpent dwell on the devil
                      Seeing Jesus from afar, he ran and bowed to Him; and, crying out in a loud voice, he said: What are you to me, Jesus, the Son of the Most High God? I curse you with God, do not torment me! For Jesus said unto him, Come forth, unclean spirit, out of this man. And he asked him: what is your name? And he said in reply: Legion is my name, because we are many.
                      1. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 30 November 2013 13: 36
                        -1
                        Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
                        find such a definition
                        In the book of Genesis, we are talking about an animal - a certain talking snake, which, after using its cunning "for other purposes", was eventually forced to walk on the womb (it is assumed that before that he walked somehow differently).

                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        they had a choice, and if there is no choice, what is the essence of holiness?
                        I don’t know what the essence of holiness is and I don’t really understand what it is, but I know that when good is inactive, injustice triumphs (and connivance of injustice is evil). I know that a choice is possible only in conditions of access to complete and objective information (no Satan will raise insurrection knowing that he will lose). I know that the relationship of Sabaoth and Satan is unlike the relations of the warring parties (for example, the book of Job).

                        which way he pushed - find the definition
                        Out of several hundred (if not thousands) trees, he indicated the forbidden, left a bad snake with the "newborns", did not include the concepts of good and evil in the program of the "newborn" (as a result of which the guys did not know what they were doing, but were still punished), an angel - he put a guard not before, but after (although being all-seeing, he could have done this in advance), and in general he was afraid that people would also eat the fruit from the tree of life and become equal to IM (plural).

                        and if demons dwell in people, what problems does the serpent dwell on the devil
                        And what is the devil - free to move freely over the lands of God? How could he end up in Eden?
        2. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 28 November 2013 20: 58
          +1
          Man is free to choose his path. To plus or minus. Dualism has not been canceled. As well, and conscience. Read at your leisure about Manichaeism. A lot of useful, comparable information is obtained, but only 1000 years ago it was ...
          1. just exp
            just exp 29 November 2013 18: 45
            +1
            Manichaeism is only a heretical movement of Zoroastrianism, and there you still eat thoughtism with a bucket.
        3. Oleg14774
          Oleg14774 28 November 2013 21: 13
          +3
          Quote: Bosk
          ?, and you imagine that Satan and other evil spirits is just a punitive organ of the Most High ...

          There is such an anegdot:
          A man falls into Hell, a local minister approaches him as it should be with full attributes - hooves, wool, etc. Sinners are boiling around in cauldrons, stuffiness, incredible heat. Sinners moan, scream, pray. The representative of the local "elite" says, they say, let me take you around the territory, and you choose your own boiler, place, company, etc. A man walked, walked and said, that would be a breath of fresh air. The representative says, no question, go to the exit, I'll change. He comes to the gate, looks, and there is already this guy standing, a kind of charming blond with blue eyes and well-honed manners. Say, let's go and breathe. They leave the gate, there is beauty around! Birds are singing, grasshoppers are chirping, the sun is amazing, the sky is blue! walk along the path, the man says that he would have something to drink, he doesn’t question him, around the bend there is a village and there is a cafe. Indeed, they turn around the corner of a well-groomed small town, kids run around, couples walk around satisfied, all sincerely smile. They come up to a table in a cafe, sit down. "Blond" asks, what are you going to drink, man ?! THAT for him: some water, no question, but I'm a Bavarian beer. Ordered, bring. The water is spring water, and the beer is amber, covered with sweat and the foam is snow-white (I don’t like beer, I’m so, during the scene). A man asks, how much does it all cost? He tells him that there is no money here and everything is without payment. We drank, the man looks at the beer and he wanted it so much, asks, is it okay, that one to him, why not ?! A man ordered a beer, a neighbor ordered a glass of cool cognac, and a sandwich with red caviar, a man and himself, too, without payment after all! He sat and said: if only here to stay, and the representative answers, well, if you want to stay. A man in a stupor: But what about the boilers and Hell ?! And he is also there believers, and you are not one of them? That one is not! Well then, stay, go, register and get housing.
          So everyone determines the faith for himself and no one has the right to impose it on anyone! Neither direct nor indirect belief!
      3. just exp
        just exp 28 November 2013 21: 55
        +4
        a symbolist citizen, for starters, I advise you to find out what the cross means, what does Zoroastrianism and Russian paganism have to do with it.
        Threat Asgard also has no relation to Russia.
      4. Asgard
        Asgard 29 November 2013 01: 15
        +4
        Judging by the number of minuses and pluses under my comment,
        - The Satanists are still strong)))) quantitatively, but not qualitatively, because I have added points in the ranking ....

        This means I am supported by the High Officers of the VO site, and the sergeants (the new arrivals and those who have been in this status for a long time) put the minuses mainly))))

        I wrote here and did not pay attention to the number of points, I was upset (a little bit)) when People were minuscule, showing incompetence and underdevelopment of consciousness ....

        Obscurity after several centuries of Christianity, very strong, They lied to history (fragmentary knowledge, a lot of stories)) CHRONICLES destroyed (whole narration)), People uncritically perceive information, read only "labels" on cans in a supermarket))))

        Unfortunately, they also vote in elections, tests, for my comments ....
        As a result, they buried the country, killed the KNOWLEDGE, and we don’t really want to take the country TO YOURSELF (judging by the minuses that you put (not ME)) TO YOURSELF ......
        After all, this is an action, and you will have to answer for it ........ according to karmic laws, well, or your children and relatives will take over .....

        And all because the "daddy" did not like to read (to the end)) to delve into, think ...
        1. kartalovkolya
          kartalovkolya 29 November 2013 08: 39
          +2
          Pride will destroy you, dear!
    2. bif
      bif 1 December 2013 17: 51
      0
      Quote: zub46
      From rapprochement with Catholics we will not be worse

      Do not be naive ... The purpose of the visit is completely different.
      "... according to our sources from Moscow, Putin's visit was connected precisely with Ukraine. Our Italian source also speaks of such a possibility. I would like to warn the reader that this is unverified information, but the fact that it comes from both sides, and knowing decisiveness Putin, we can assume with a high degree of probability that this information is true. Moreover, it may turn out to be true that the President of Russia spoke with certain notes that could make the pontiff think. What did the Russian president want? If you believe what comes to us, then quite a bit: Vladimir Putin wants the head of the Holy See not to speak out about Ukraine in favor of the EU On the one hand, the implementation of Putin's plan seems impossible, but there is no need to rush.

      If this plan seems impossible to us, then, of course, these doubts were known to the Russian President, and yet he took this step. Why? The thing is that Pope Francis comes from Argentina, and it is believed that he is more free in his actions, as he is less connected with Europe or even dependent on it. This is the moment the Russian president tried to play. How fortunate we will see this over the next few days, a week at the most. Dear reader, the author urges you to monitor whether anything is publicly said from the Vatican on the issue of Ukraine, this will confirm our information. We do not yet know the details of the agreement between the parties, we can only guess what the President of Russia proposed in return. It should not be forgotten that Putin reached an agreement with the head of the Holy See, here the construction of the "Vatican Stream" will not be enough. Pope himself has such flows that he doesn't need oil. When the hydrocarbons on the earth disappear, "Daddy's streams" will not run out. Dad takes a rent in souls. However, Putin does not look like a man who sells these souls ... "http://www.contrpost.com/en/78-2013-05-10-13-45-19/3399-ukraina-es-kto-stavit- us
      loviya
  2. JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 28 November 2013 18: 49
    +3
    Crusade against neoliberalism? And that doesn’t sound bad.
  3. Bober
    Bober 28 November 2013 18: 54
    +5
    Good moves. Good ones. The pawn slowly becomes the fierzy. May God grant that the logic of action will continue to be strong. What to do domestically? What to do?
    1. just exp
      just exp 28 November 2013 21: 58
      +1
      if evil spirits cease to plot, much will improve by itself.
  4. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 28 November 2013 18: 54
    +2
    Where?! Where are the COMMENTS OF EXPERTS ?! What is this chewed mole press release? I understand, in the mailbox, on good, soft paper ... This flat place is not worth the electricity that my monitor spent on displaying it.
  5. Freelancer7
    Freelancer7 28 November 2013 18: 54
    +2
    PR of the Catholic Church, which decided to cling to Putin's victory in Syria.
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 28 November 2013 19: 16
      +8
      PAPE is not to look for help from Muslims - the rulers of the Western countries are driving their peoples into a "cock-house" (excuse the jargon, but in this case I can't do it any other way), they completely lost their "fear" of the Almighty. There is only one hope left - the Orthodox peoples of the former USSR.
  6. Kaetani
    Kaetani 28 November 2013 19: 29
    10
    The Roman Church probably sees in Russia now the only ally in a total war with the enemies that surrounded normal people. What will she do after the Victory and even after the onset of a turning point in the war is a separate issue. At the moment, a common threat looms over the Catholics and the Orthodox - A new form of Fascism - Sodomy and Devilry. The Roman Church for us is at the moment a kind of bridgehead in the war against Ecumenical Evil and Squeezing.
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 29 November 2013 08: 45
      -2
      Everything is correct, but it is very worrying that the supporters of the forces of Evil entered the ranks of Orthodoxy and it would be time for the Hierarchs of our Church to think and take urgent measures!
  7. tomket
    tomket 28 November 2013 19: 30
    +5
    The first newly elected head of the Roman Catholic Church, surrenders the influence of the Vatican literally on all fronts, both in the literal sense and in all symbolic acts. At least take for example the washing of the feet of a Muslim. In theory, the Pope was to wash the feet of the bishops, symbolizing the washing by Christ of the feet of the Apostles. What is the symbolism of washing the feet of Islam, we have yet to see.
    The second one. As the Ottoman Empire used to be called the sick man of Europe, the Catholic Church can be called the sick man of all Christianity, moreover, this man fell into insanity. You see, they decided to revise and edit the list of sins.
    The meeting was needed precisely by the Pope and not by Putin, as a showcase of the fact that he still has an influence on the powers that be. I think it’s not a secret that, against the background of dwarfs like Oland, Putin is simply a callous in foreign policy.
    Rapprochement with Catholics on an equal footing will be a disastrous process for us, since all their concessions and concessions to the body, a destructive spirit, will begin to penetrate the Orthodox Church.
    Actually, it is necessary to begin missionary activity in Europe by Orthodox missionaries, I think the number of flocks that will decide to abandon decaying Catholicism and return to true Christianity, which will be huge Orthodoxy.
    1. Kaetani
      Kaetani 28 November 2013 19: 46
      +1
      It is just as a bridgehead that needs to be considered - just like they are us. But only after defeating Evil
  8. timer
    timer 28 November 2013 19: 44
    -10 qualifying.
    I read a number of comments on the topic of the article, and I will comment on them:
    Firstly, the fact that there is a dialogue on sick global issues is not important for whom it is more important and necessary, it’s already good!
    Secondly, the fact that there is a split between the Russian Orthodox Church and the Vatican is the insanity of pure water. The new pope is looking for rapprochement and it’s good for all believers. It doesn’t matter what religion and its followers are called (Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, etc.), since the name and face of GOD is one and WORLD RELIGION is one!
    1. Tatanka Yotanka
      Tatanka Yotanka 28 November 2013 21: 15
      +9
      Quote: timer
      RELIGION WORLD ONE!

      the Vatican is striving for this
      united world religion + united world economy + united world government = new world order = antichrist
      1. just exp
        just exp 28 November 2013 22: 00
        +1
        ecumenism is the mother of willow, but the Vatican has nothing to do with it, other songs are being performed.
    2. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 28 November 2013 21: 41
      +1
      V.S. Vysotsky SONG ABOUT MOVEMENT OF SOULS

      Who believes in Mohammed, who - in Allah, who - in Jesus,
      Whoever does not believe in anything - even to hell, to spite everyone, -
      The Indians came up with a good religion:
      That we, having given ends, do not die for good.
      Your soul strove up
      Born again with a dream
      But if you lived like a pig -
      You will remain a pig.
      Let them look askance at you - get used to reproach, -
      It’s annoying - well, you’ll be born again at the taunts of much.
      And if I saw the death of the enemy during this lifetime,
      In another you will be given a faithful keen eye.
      Live yourselves normally -
      There is reason to have fun:
      After all, maybe in the boss
      Your soul is dwelling.
      Let you live as a janitor - born again as a foreman,
      And after you grow from a superintendent to a minister, -
      But if you are dumb like a tree, you will be born a baobab
      And you will be a baobab for a thousand years while you die.
      Annoyingly a parrot live
      Viper with a long eyelid, -
      Isn’t it better to be in life
      A decent person?
      So who is who, so who was who? - we never know.
      Genetics from the gene and chromosomes are crazy.
      Perhaps that shabby cat was a scoundrel before,
      And this sweet man was a good dog before.
      I jump with delight
      I go around the artisans -
      Convenient religion
      Indians came up with!
      Quote: timer
      since the name and face of GOD is one and WORLD RELIGION is one!

      1. God does not have a name and a person.
      2. Judaism = Buddhism = Christianity = Islam = complete nonsense!
      3. What do you understand by the term "religion"?
      Do you believe in anything?
  9. Tartary
    Tartary 28 November 2013 19: 49
    +2
    The Vatican has long lost the war with the financiers and politicians of the world for financial independence. The Vatican Bank has become controlled by the financial world behind the scenes ...
    The Vatican also lost to world Jewry, recognizing the Jews as God's chosen people, although until that time the Jews were considered rejected by God because of the betrayal that led to the crucifixion of Christ ...

    The Vatican itself needs support, which is why Russia was needed, so Putin is there.
    1. Tatanka Yotanka
      Tatanka Yotanka 28 November 2013 21: 07
      +1
      Quote: Tartary
      although until that moment Jews were considered rejected by God because of betrayal

      is this speculation, didn’t he have followers of the Hebrews? and the apostles, parents, etc.
      Isa. 40:17 All nations before Him are nothing - less than insignificance and emptiness are counted by Him.
      Col.3: 10,11
      and having put on a new one, which is renewed in knowledge in the image of His Creator, where there is neither Greek nor Judean, nor circumcision, nor uncircumcision, barbarian, Scythian, slave, free, but everything is Christ in everything.
      and the Vatican is not an opponent of world backstage but an addition leading to one goal
      1. just exp
        just exp 28 November 2013 22: 01
        +2
        there is one BUT, it was not Jews who were rejected, but Jews, and that was not all.
    2. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 28 November 2013 21: 28
      0
      Quote: Tartary
      The Vatican itself needs support, which is why Russia was needed, so Putin is there

      With your mouth, yes, drink honey!
      1. Tartary
        Tartary 29 November 2013 10: 48
        0
        Quote: 11111mail.ru
        With your mouth, yes, drink honey!


        Just like about a bear cub who is looking at a hippopotamus in a neighboring aviary and thinking to himself: - yes, with such a loaf, but a honey would slurp ... wink
  10. mithridate
    mithridate 28 November 2013 19: 53
    +3
    it is necessary to begin missionary activity in Europe by Orthodox missionaries, I think the number of flocks that decide to leave the decaying Catholicism and return to true Christianity, which is Orthodoxy will be huge
    an uncompromising, including ideological, struggle must be waged against liberalists of all stripes. Missionary activity is one of the most important areas of such a struggle.
    1. il grand casino
      il grand casino 28 November 2013 20: 04
      0
      The idea, of course, may be a good one. But the Russian Orthodox Church itself has also not been showing its best for the last time ... The Bentley and the yachts are not to face.
  11. shasherin_pavel
    shasherin_pavel 28 November 2013 20: 09
    +1
    This time, the President of the Russian Federation, Putin, decided not to wear a red tie, only the Pope has the right to wear red on the territory of the Vatican. The Vatican, after the episcopacy of Peter and later one of the seventy disciples of Jesus Christ, endured a difficult story in which people pleasing to the emperor, and sometimes even the emperor's wife, who put her lover in this post, and her own sister at the same time with her puts on the same post his, again, lover, but the second Pope is immured by the older sister in the tower alive. Apparently, therefore, John the Theologian calls either Rome or the Vatican "the great sinner sitting on the beast." If John is right, and we correctly understand his prophecy, then this "Lamb of God" will win after a long struggle, and God forbid that Europe finally learns to distinguish between the "fall" and individual freedom. But to let "personal freedom" into Russia is like looking at Heaven through your ass. And here we were already raped by "mad queens" in the Cathedral of Christ the Savior, who were supported by all sorts of celebrities from "free Europe". And how difficult it will be to change something in the Vatican or in Rome, we can judge by the fact that John Paul could not cope with this, Benedict dropped his hands and became the second of more than two hundred popes who left office during his lifetime. But there are no big hopes for the Russian Orthodox Church, it is too busy now with "business", and not with the souls of people, and even the most famous preachers speaking on behalf of the church drive a car worth three churches, have five more similar cars in the garage. and knocking down pedestrians leave the accident scene.
  12. DZ_98_B
    DZ_98_B 28 November 2013 20: 14
    +1
    It seems to me that the Vatican is concerned about the onset of Islam in traditionally Christian countries. My attitude to Benedict 16 is negative, he is a fascist soldier, but some of his actions cause respect.
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 28 November 2013 21: 25
      0
      Quote: DZ_98_B
      some of his deeds are respected

      Want to say: nothing personal, just business !?
    2. EdwardTich68
      EdwardTich68 28 November 2013 21: 37
      0
      Well, what kind of a fascist soldier does he even have an assault rifle? Yes, and he does not have a draft age, and the fascists have already ended. laughing
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    1. Cherdak
      Cherdak 28 November 2013 20: 44
      +9
      It seems to me that THIS is much more important. Dad bowed to the icon of the Mother of God of Vladimir
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 28 November 2013 22: 28
        -3
        Quote: Cherdak
        It seems to me that THIS is much more important.

        Are the actions of the head of an extremely strange formation called the Vatican (especially the Jesuit) more important than a direct violation of the Constitution of the Russian Federation by its guarantor?
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 28 November 2013 22: 55
          0
          Yarosvet, with your proclamation you grab a dash, I don’t belong to Catholics, but ay-yayay made enemies !!! So we’ll scare. We’ll beat NATO, it’s just necessary. If you don’t agree with this: either a judge or a court of law on VM. Sha, baryzheny.
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 28 November 2013 23: 08
            +1
            Quote: Thunderbolt
            It’s simply necessary to strike at NATO.
            And for this it is necessary to turn the secular official visit of the head of state into a demonstration of his personal addictions (not the first time by the way)?

            If you do not agree with this: either a judge, or a court under the law of VM. Sha, baryzhniki.
            I did not catch the meaning of this phrase.
  14. anarh
    anarh 28 November 2013 20: 31
    +1
    It is surprising: why the Russian Orthodox Church is the Russian Orthodox Church, and the Catholic Church is the Catholic Church, and not KC?
    1. il grand casino
      il grand casino 28 November 2013 20: 33
      0
      Probably from the love of Soviet people to cut all their names)))
      1. Stinger
        Stinger 28 November 2013 20: 47
        +2
        Because God is one and the wallets are different.
        1. shasherin_pavel
          shasherin_pavel 29 November 2013 19: 07
          0
          Because God is One ... and God with a capital letter is Apolon, Mars, Jupiter and other Bozi, as the Church Slavonic Bible calls them. Bozi or in relation to the Russian Veles, Volos, Perun and other demons. And we must understand that "wallets" will always sit at the top of the church, since they are the ones who must manage the monetary operations, without which the walls of churches would peel off, the hinges at the gates would fall off. Have you ever seen an accountant - a poet? But the preachers are businessmen, there are false saints.
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 29 November 2013 19: 09
            0
            Quote: shasherin_pavel
            and god with a capital letter is Apollo, Mars, Jupiter and others


            Apollo with two "l".
      2. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 28 November 2013 21: 21
        0
        Quote: il grand casino
        Probably from the love of Soviet people to cut all their names)

        SOVIET OFFICIALS began to introduce Newspeak! HOMO SOVETICUS is a speculative object that has never existed in history. Try to create the abbreviation "Deputy Commander for Naval Affairs" - we get, according to the Newspeak rules, "ZAM.KOM.po MOR.DE". Also by Newspeak rules: dishonorable _ Honestless! (Correctly "dishonest"). ETS ..
        1. shasherin_pavel
          shasherin_pavel 29 November 2013 19: 12
          0
          The transfer reduced the degree of humor "Honest demon", but a Chinese proverb says: Dragon strikes with truth. "
    2. alone
      alone 28 November 2013 23: 22
      0
      Quote: anarh
      It is surprising: why the Russian Orthodox Church is the Russian Orthodox Church, and the Catholic Church is the Catholic Church, and not KC?

      belay KC-Kavkazcenter chtoli? belay belay
      1. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 29 November 2013 08: 51
        -2
        And because respected, all these labels are hung by "scribblers" and, moreover, to order and for 30 pieces of silver, one more way to humiliate the Church and Orthodoxy. I would like to recall a quote from a book about Captain Vrungel: "What do you call a yacht, so it will float ... "! And all these "juggling" with names are not so harmless!
        1. shasherin_pavel
          shasherin_pavel 29 November 2013 19: 19
          0
          The Communists wanted to humiliate the Orthodox Church, but they also abbreviated their own governing bodies, but who prevents you from abandoning the abbreviation and not being offended by other people's stupidities. Your yacht and you sail.
    3. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 29 November 2013 18: 59
      0
      because the "Russian Orthodox Catholic Apostolic Church" and not the Russian Orthodox Church.
  15. EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 28 November 2013 21: 08
    0
    [B]act not by force of arms, but exclusively through peace negotiations.[B]
    As I understand it: the gunman shot a man in the stomach with a machine gun and he answered him with a kind word and a smile
  16. 11111mail.ru
    11111mail.ru 28 November 2013 21: 08
    0
    According to the predictions of the Russian elders, Russia will cast out demons when the icon of the Mother of God of Kazan returns. Let the Catholics return the holy icon without any conditions!
  17. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 28 November 2013 21: 22
    +2
    Relations between the Russian Orthodox Church and the Vatican should be decided by believers, led by Patriarch Kirill. Secular authorities should not interfere in this process
  18. individual
    individual 28 November 2013 21: 46
    +1
    The rapprochement of the positions of the Vatican and Moscow.
    Only versions can be put forward here.
    Recall that the Vatican assumed a special plan for Syria. In our opinion, it consists in ousting from the Middle East the American concept of planting “democratic values” within the framework of the “Arab Spring”. The emphasis is on crowding out religious extremists, primarily of the Sunni persuasion, and the support of Christians and moderate Islamists.
    In this case, Orthodox Moscow could be the optimal partner for the Catholic Vatican with joint actions in the region. As for Washington, the “hawkish” administration of Barack Obama worked in a different paradigm. Yesterday, Pope Francis simply had nothing to talk about with them, the authority to exchange opinions was transferred to the level of the Conference of Catholic Bishops of the United States in the hope that the time would come when Washington would change its position so that the pontiff could reach concrete agreements with President Barack Obama. However, these times have come; the world is transforming, and with it the visible policy of the United States, but Obama is in a catch-up position.
    To consolidate this breakthrough, a meeting was organized between the Pope and the President of Russia. Time will tell what will happen next. Interesting times are coming when former geopolitical projects of the time of the “Crusades” are reviving.
    But where to get the old crusader knights?
  19. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 28 November 2013 21: 50
    +2
    "Relations between the ROC and the Catholic Church, unfortunately, are far from ideal. Apparently, Pope Francis intends to change this situation. He is clearly interested in overcoming the accumulated contradictions and demonstrates a desire to take a course towards rapprochement. Patriarch Kirill only confirms the emerging trend.

    Relations between the Russian Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church are far from ideal for 1000 years already, it is unlikely that the Komsomol member-communist-officer of the KGB, the assistant to Sobchak-president Putin will change anything.
    Here even Gundyaev himself is powerless.
  20. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 28 November 2013 21: 53
    0
    The new dad is a Jesuit, these people need an eye and an eye, well, let us rely on Gundyaev, this one watches over the interests of his business corporation. The position of Catholicism is very strong in Latin and South America, Italy, southern Europe and Poland. From this point of view, the friendly attitude of the Vatican is useful. In addition, our English-speaking "friends" traditionally refer to Protestants, who do not hold the Pope just for a person.
    As for secular power, faith and their relationship. The Vatican is a state with all the consequences, quite influential in addition. Ignoring it is pretty stupid all the more so it goes to the contact itself. And if our ave. Church is actively pursuing power, I think both it and its relations with abroad should be monitored and directed by our state in their own interests, otherwise strangers will begin to rule in their own.
    1. xan
      xan 29 November 2013 00: 38
      0
      Quote: chunga-changa
      Well, let's hope for the Gundyaev, this interests his business unincorporated

      The patriarch is smart, educated, logical and firm, has strategic thinking and makes no mistakes, at least I don’t see.
    2. Kahlan amnell
      Kahlan amnell 29 November 2013 11: 16
      0
      The new dad is a Jesuit, for these you need an eye and an eye

      These days, these are no longer so scary. laughing
      They also have a more serious caliber - "Opus Dei", for example.
  21. VADEL
    VADEL 28 November 2013 22: 00
    0
    Quote: 11111mail.ru
    Read about Manichaeism at your leisure

    And this is from which side? Give a link.
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 29 November 2013 17: 49
      +1
      Quote: VADEL
      Give a link

      Let the seeker find! Best of all, the topic is disclosed by L.N. Gumilev "Ancient Russia and the Great Steppe". Throw in the search engine "Pavlikianism", "Bogumils". Briefly about Gumilev: lies, betrayal, intrigues of the Manichaeans are aimed at eliminating what is dear to all normal people - love for a woman, Motherland, truth, etc. The plus and minus in doctrine are reversed. The ideal is Lucifer (carrying away the light), but not the Creator. Practice: tormenting the flesh with lust to overcome the divine component in oneself ... and a lot of other nasty things.
      1. just exp
        just exp 29 November 2013 18: 48
        +2
        I absolutely agree here, and besides them there are many more sects where the Creator is a dark force, and evil is considered to be a god who liberates from the material world, even the same Cathars, and it still makes sense that the Templars were burned.
  22. goldfinger
    goldfinger 28 November 2013 22: 25
    +1
    Belarusian neighbor.
    Neighbor Belarus. From the Russian press.
    Mr. President, you have a one-on-one meeting with the Pope. Are you able to understand each other?

    It's not a translator. And not that the Pope is Catholic, but you are Orthodox.

    People like you and the Pope (even if they grew up in the same country) speak different languages. Is always.

    Of course, you are both people (from the point of view of anatomy and physiology) - two arms, two legs ... But as for the human features - heaven and earth.

    The Pope has ten times more subjects, and ten times less residences. You, terrifying the locals, are building palaces for yourself in different places of Russia. Francis (even being a cardinal) lived in a small apartment, rode a bus, cooked his own food.

    On his hand, no one has ever seen and will not see watches for 100 thousand dollars (not very expensive from the point of view of our hierarchs bathing in luxury). And it is impossible to imagine that he condemned anyone for the fact that some dust fell on his books.

    Your fellow friends have become billionaires, heads of gigantic monopolies, you even appointed one for four years as president of Russia.

    Among people close to Francis I, there is not one who would have grown rich thanks to this acquaintance. And nobody himself appointed him “successor”, his election is impeccable. (Of course, intrigue, of course, behind-the-scenes negotiations is the Vatican. But stuffing ballots and falsifying protocols are absolutely excluded.)

    Francis motto - “Miserando atque eligendo” - can be translated from Latin as “Chosen for compassion”. And he is really known for constantly helping the poor, visiting the sick. And your motto (if it were) would probably sound like "Elected for ruthlessness" (apparently, the quality necessary for your work).

    It is believed that the motto of Francis I and his life are related to the sermon, which formulated well-known moral standards:

    “Do not strive for wealth, do not seek benefits, avoid honors, accept all the contempt of the world for the glory of heaven, be useful to all, bless those who insult and do not take revenge on anyone, patiently endure the grievances received, always seek the glories of the Creator and never your own.”

    What could be further from the Kremlin mores than these rules?
    They will say that it is impossible to make such demands on presidents and other worldly lords. And why?
    Let us leave aside such lofty topics as “contempt of the world”, “heavenly glory” ... But not to strive for wealth and be useful to everyone - this is the norm that any official, any deputy must comply with.
    And with whom should they take an example? Not from the Pope.

    And, as always, Putin was late for 50 minutes (maybe he thinks it's cool, in patsansky way). And Pope, quite naturally, cut his audience by half an hour. and in the end, sent away. This is not Russia, where they expect the Sunshine, the one and the indivisible, how much he will want to torture his darling people.
    1. tomket
      tomket 28 November 2013 22: 50
      0
      And the source of this .... eeeee, well, let's say there are articles with subtext ????
      1. goldfinger
        goldfinger 29 November 2013 00: 53
        0
        Essentially! "Moscow's comsomolets."
        Quote: tomket

        And the source of this .... eeeee, well, let's say there are articles with subtext ????
        1. just exp
          just exp 29 November 2013 18: 50
          +1
          mdya, mister gold seeker (speaking nickname however), among decent people MK, NG and other similar sources, try not to be mentioned. disdain.
    2. xan
      xan 29 November 2013 00: 49
      +1
      Quote: goldfinger
      Belarusian neighbor.

      At one time, the Frenchman Dumas said: "It is better to have such an embezzler as Prince Potemkin as a minister than such an honest one as Finance Minister Fouquet, who left France bankrupt and was buried from poverty at the expense of the state."
      It is better to have such a bloodsucker as Peter 1 at the head of the state than such a good person as Nikolai 2 (this is already mine).
      Dull I can chew.
      It is easy to be honest and good, you need to work only on yourself.
      Being a successful statesman oh how difficult. Personally, I consider this the most highly qualified work.
      1. goldfinger
        goldfinger 29 November 2013 01: 00
        0
        Quote: xan
        Dull I can chew.

        I also chew. For the dull ones. Even such a bottomless "barrel of treasures" like Russia may not be able to withstand a whole gang of "new darks" - "chicks of the nest of the Lake Cooperative." After all, Potemkin for Russia - DOES and steal. These - only STEAL !!!. And looking at them. , steal, not DO, and the rest!
        1. shasherin_pavel
          shasherin_pavel 29 November 2013 19: 36
          -1
          If only twenty years to steal, then no wealth of Russia will be enough, they steal from something, who steals from an empty nightstand? O Russia is not bottomless, since the Communists have stolen quite a few.
    3. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 29 November 2013 19: 32
      +1
      You would also have Peter 1 of the monks with prayers and bells. If only you would have kicked him, only Putin would have descended from "heaven" to sinful earth. God forbid, if behind the back "from the sufferer" there will be something similar to the "Serdyukovsky harem".
  23. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 29 November 2013 00: 02
    +2
    Knowing the role of the Vatican in shadow politics, the visit of a professional of this policy to one of the leaders of influential structures of the same policy is understandable.
    As usual, we don’t know anything about it, but something will swing somewhere, if not more.
    1. xan
      xan 29 November 2013 00: 59
      +2
      Quote: Peaceful military
      As usual, we don’t know anything about it, but something will swing somewhere, if not more.

      Don’t go to the grandmother, they have decided something, and somewhere this will manifest. Clearly not in matters of religion.
    2. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 29 November 2013 09: 05
      0
      I must say to you, dear colleague, that the Vatican is small in size, but its actual citizens are about 2 billion Catholics in the world. And the Vatican has a special influence in Latin America, and we are not breathing evenly! It seems that the moment has come to a joint understanding of the common threats to Christianity !
      1. shasherin_pavel
        shasherin_pavel 29 November 2013 19: 43
        0
        The actual citizens of the Vatican fired at each other in the trenches of the First World War, and hated their "fellow citizens" with fierce hatred. In Denmark, when someone cut the tires of a German scooter who entered a bar for a beer, 8 men were shot in this city, and 5 men in the neighboring one. Reconcile Scottish Catholics with English, build them one hostel and you will be made Pope.
    3. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 29 November 2013 19: 39
      0
      A wise military man, he immediately understands that the Vatican has long been no longer a religious center, but five hundred years old, like a political one that raised the image of Christ to the banner, so that it would be easier to lead.
  24. VadimSt
    VadimSt 29 November 2013 03: 07
    0
    Some, for some reason, concentrated not on a political event, as such, but on another - to see cool theologians!

    The tension between the Russian Orthodox Church and the Vatican is largely due to the era of Pope John Paul II

    And what could be expected from the Poles, especially at the time of the praise and support of Solidarity by the whole West.
  25. Revolver
    Revolver 29 November 2013 05: 08
    +1
    The tension between the Russian Orthodox Church and the Vatican is largely due to the era of Pope John Paul II (head of the Roman Catholic Church from 1978 to 2005 - approx. Ed.).
    Yes? And it seemed to me that this tension was originally associated with the Great Schism of 1054. And everything else is already the consequences of a split.
  26. groin
    groin 29 November 2013 06: 27
    0
    GDP, like a normal man, with normal ambitions, understands that it is necessary to deal ("establish contact-work") with the world's financial tycoons, including the Vatican Bank. All world problems come from them or by their order. What He has created for many years for the good Russia and the world (the purpose of life), can be destroyed by them (Their purpose of life). That is how it works.
  27. Alex66
    Alex66 29 November 2013 06: 49
    -1
    Francis intends to change this situation. He is clearly interested in overcoming the accumulated contradictions and demonstrates a desire to take a course towards rapprochement.
    This is called adding a spoonful of tar to the barrel of honey. And it can be said more harshly, you think if once then don’t pee ... ace? And what are these contradictions? Catholics have departed from the truth in favor of earthly goods, just as the Jews did earlier.
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 29 November 2013 09: 09
      -1
      It is not necessary to confuse the sinner with the righteous: the "shepherds" have departed from the truth, and the "flock" goes where they lead them.
  28. demotivator
    demotivator 29 November 2013 06: 53
    0
    The Vatican is the smallest state in the world. But, by the number of countries with which the Vatican has diplomatic relations, it is second only to the United States (188 and 177, respectively), and in every country there are Catholic priests, nuns and lay people on the planet. As a result, the Holy See is interested in what is happening around the world, and is well informed. Vatican diplomats are characterized as highly informed and have influential backstage lobbies. The Vatican achieves all this with the help of a comparatively tiny diplomatic corps of several hundred bishops and priests. Putin, as the head of a large state, cannot but reckon with the authority of the Vatican and its role in world politics. That's why I met with the pope once again.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 29 November 2013 10: 54
      +1
      Quote: demotivator
      Putin, as the head of a large state, cannot but reckon with the authority of the Vatican and its role in world politics.
      As Stalin said, "Pope? How many divisions does he have?"
  29. Sirs
    Sirs 29 November 2013 07: 40
    0
    what nonsense are you talking about in the comments, Well, Putin talked with the Pope and ... there isn’t any action whatsoever, the pope needs to talk with Obama and others so as not to stir up a war in Syria and around the world.
  30. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 29 November 2013 09: 18
    -1
    Diplomacy today is the main thing in the world process, only diplomatic tools can turn the world community away from the disastrous path of self-destruction, to which it is pushed by certain forces (the so-called "forces of evil")! And if the head of one of the leading states meets with another no less an influential leader, this is very good. And practicing wit is simply incorrect in this case! And who makes a greater contribution to strengthening peace and tranquility on Earth, time will tell.
  31. Ross
    Ross 29 November 2013 11: 39
    0
    Quote: Bosk
    It’s better not to joke with such things, you ask why? And you imagine that Satan and other evil spirits are just a punitive organ of the Most High ...

    Rather, it is an element of free choice. Everyone chooses the polarity. Or live outside the polarities.
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