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“Looking at today's Ukraine, I understand that it will die quickly and painfully”

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“Looking at today's Ukraine, I understand that it will die quickly and painfully”In Ukraine, the opposition did not agree with the decision of the authorities to suspend the signing of the Association Agreement with the European Union. In Kiev, protests began, among the demands of which participants are not only to conclude an agreement, but also to release Yulia Tymoshenko.


Apparently, attempts are being made in Ukraine to repeat the “maidan” of 2004, but, as experts note, Viktor Yanukovych is ready for stubborn resistance and will not make serious concessions. This situation is commented on for KM.RU by Anatoly Wasserman.

The opposition assumes the right to speak on behalf of the whole country.

I think that the megalomania of the Ukrainian opposition is dangerous for its own health in the literal sense of the word. When the opposition declares its action as evidence that the country has not come to terms with the failure of the president and the government to consider that Ukraine is seeking Europe, this means that they consider themselves to be a country.

At one time, King Louis XIV, whose name we often pronounce with a German accent, Louis, became famous, among other things, with the words "The state is me." We remember these words taken out of context, and this appeal to the Court of Justice of Paris completely sounded like this: “Sirs, do you think that the state is you? No, the state is me. ” That is, King Louis did not declare himself the state as a whole, but only indicated that he had no less right to represent the state than the judges, with whom he argued about the distribution of areas of responsibility. It was quite reasonable.

Now the opposition assumes the right to speak on behalf of the whole country, forgetting that it became the opposition because most of the country's voters voted against it and even in mass actions they do not always turn out to be in the majority. The whole world experience shows that people who arrogate to themselves the right to speak on behalf of the whole country do this precisely because the country itself does not give them that right and does not want to give them.

Eternal passivity is a losing strategy.

I believe that mass opposition actions prove, rather than force, but the impotence of this opposition. Naturally, I am only glad that they once again prove their political impotence. I myself am confident that Ukraine, out of contact with the rest of Russia, can at best die slowly. But, looking at the state of the economy of Ukraine, I believe that, most likely, she will die quickly and painfully. Of course, I speak about the reunification of Ukraine with Russia exclusively in the legal sense of the word, through a referendum, and I do not call for any illegal actions.

I am afraid that to seek only non-entry of Ukraine into association with the European Union is a losing option. Defense sooner or later ends in failure or the transition to a counter-offensive. Eternal passivity is obviously a losing strategy, although sometimes tactically you have to defend yourself. It is necessary to proceed from the principle of “victory at the gates of others”. Ukraine has a chance to win only if its current government firmly recognizes that Ukraine’s place is in the Customs Union and begins to act in accordance with this obvious demand for a healthy economy. Then Ukraine will be prosperous.
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  1. makst83
    makst83 28 November 2013 08: 42
    79
    To our great regret, Ukraine, during its 22 years of "nEzalEzhnosti", has proved its failure as a state! Therefore ... a quick death is better than death without end! hi
    1. alex13-61
      alex13-61 28 November 2013 15: 33
      13
      Quote: makst83
      . better quick death

      It all depends on the speed of the collapse of the industry. As our "guarantor" issued yesterday on TV: the "margin" of NEMA strength ...
      1. Mitek
        Mitek 28 November 2013 15: 46
        79
        Quote: alex13-61
        Quote: makst83
        . better quick death

        It all depends on the speed of the collapse of the industry. As our "guarantor" issued yesterday on TV: the "margin" of NEMA strength ...

        Let's hope that we will once again be a single country! To spite everything!
        1. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 28 November 2013 16: 52
          60
          Quote: Mitek
          Let's hope that we will once again be a single country! To spite everything!
          That would be a good outcome of 22 years of wandering. However, it is important that the desire is mutual and deliberate, and not according to the principle "today is bad" - we will sit out under the auspices of Russia, and tomorrow we will go to seek happiness without "shit." The Ukrainian people and their Russian majority must be grafted from the "Western infection" once and for all. Sometimes this requires pain and suffering, only through this is the cleansing of the brain.
          1. etrusk
            etrusk 29 November 2013 00: 04
            14
            Quote: Gluxar_
            The Ukrainian people and their Russian majority must be grafted from the "Western infection" once and for all. Sometimes this requires pain and suffering, only through this is the cleansing of the brain.

            Most do not need to be vaccinated. The east and the center certainly do not nourish any illusions, but suffers the most from the collapse of industry.
            1. Mairos
              Mairos 29 November 2013 10: 03
              +3
              All regions where industry is killed wholly or almost wholly - for European integration. Since the population sees the only way to survive is to go to work in Europe or Russia. Russia, more precisely the government, is now tightening its migration policy, dumping Central Asia and Ukraine into a heap. Therefore, many people want visa-free entry to Europe - at least something, at least somewhere to earn.
              If a bill is still passed that without visas it will be possible to enter Ukraine only for three months within six months, then for Europe there will be even more people there. How do they survive?
              1. Fish_Ob_Ice
                Fish_Ob_Ice 3 December 2013 16: 14
                +5
                Amazing logic: There is no industry, no work, so it is necessary in the EU to replenish the ranks of nannies and prostitutes. At the same time, the idea that you can enter the TS and, having received a number of preferences, even increase production (which means get jobs and increase the same GDP) is not categorically born. Everyone is torn somewhere to the mythical European jelly rivers. You do not think so, comrades Ukrainians. It is necessary to establish life in the country, and not think about where to build a warmer ass in a foreign country.
                1. _Forgiven_
                  _Forgiven_ 4 December 2013 00: 10
                  +2
                  We are just thinking about what we need. It is our government that thinks about "jelly rivers". Central and Eastern Ukraine understands very well what European integration will cost us, as well as Crimea. And those who are on the Maidan are the guys who came from Poland and other European countries from earnings to new earnings - 300 hryvnia a day + food for being cold on the Maidan and carrying heresy! Therefore, in this situation, such things should not be confused.
                2. sviyash
                  sviyash 16 December 2013 01: 13
                  +2
                  Really amazing logic, born of a zombie box and the mighty Runet. For a complete picture of what is happening outside our state, you need to visit THERE at least occasionally and understand the essence of what is happening. Preferences under the existing order, no matter who they are, will instantly settle in the pockets of "families" ... Here life must be improved first of all by "picking out" parasites, which are not giving a penny to the budget, stupidly, rob the state.
                  1. Prophetic
                    Prophetic 30 December 2013 16: 06
                    +1
                    "picking out" parasites
                    and the signing of European integration - things are completely different. You know, if you got lice, then this does not mean that you need to chop your head. Signing the integration is 100% economic destruction and TOTAL LOSS OF INDEPENDENCE. The decision about what should be done in Ukraine will be made by the European Union, not you. In addition, this automatically means that Julia will become a prezik. Who else? Bruised boxer with American wife and bills in Germany? Jew? Nazi? Will Julia and her entourage steal less? I beg you ... Yanuka needs to be driven, but BEFORE THIS it is necessary to nominate a sane leader. Is there such a thing at the present moment? ... That's it.
                3. Moldovan
                  Moldovan April 1 2014 13: 23
                  0
                  I apologize for the harshness, I do not want to offend the Ukrainians, but most of them in difficult times always looked for where to warm their ass, starting from the Nazis, continuing at times with Khrushchev and so on, so it's in the blood.
              2. So_va
                So_va 5 December 2013 12: 23
                +4
                That's right. Only the majority of people interviewed are not talking about work, but about how to travel freely in Europe without visas. True, no one thinks where the money will come from to ride freely. I have an acquaintance here betrayed: - I lived with the Communists, I lived with Kuchma, and now I want to live with the Americans. He is already over 60. His insanity can still be justified. But the younger ones do not even have such arguments. That's simple, that's all. But worst of all, the minority dictates the conditions to the majority.
                1. kostiknet
                  kostiknet 5 December 2013 13: 48
                  0
                  Quote: So_Va
                  But worst of all, the minority dictates the terms to the majority

                  Lads, does not it seem strange to you the situation when visiting chm0shniki seize YOUR squares in YOUR Country and from there teach you how to live? What does it have to do with your own (popular) name !!! As long as you yourself will allow all sorts of suckers to hooligan on your streets, the chaos and chaos in the country will only increase. How long have they been yelling there? Are there still unbroken heads in “Berkut”? Drive out these screamers and life can get better (if you don't start new "screamers")
              3. Prophetic
                Prophetic 30 December 2013 15: 38
                +2
                And who promises a visa-free entry to Europe? There is not a word in the agreement about this. As there were visas, they remain. The agreement merely suggests that Nenko should wash herself, feed the Western Hahal and take a pose so that it would be more convenient for him to fuck her, and nothing more. And without any obligations on the part of Europe.
              4. saha471
                saha471 18 February 2014 21: 46
                0
                The solution is simple, like a perpendicular. Join the customs union and voila! Or or.
              5. Moldovan
                Moldovan April 1 2014 13: 19
                0
                Well congratulations Ukraine has survived ... trade in labor. In Moldova, 30% of the working population works abroad. Soon catch up and overtake .....
            2. chuchupaka
              chuchupaka 4 December 2013 15: 48
              0
              From Onischenka they suffer!
            3. sviyash
              sviyash 16 December 2013 01: 02
              +1
              And so all 22 commemorated before the year. To approve vaccinations, you just need to once get out into the territory of this "zapadzskaya infection" and once and for all understand that fattening parasites need to be wiped out from the echelons of created entrusted verticals, have "their" laws that track corruption schemes of enrichment and instantly react to them and enlightenment in the mentioned brains will come!
            4. ELEN
              ELEN 21 January 2014 21: 19
              +3
              agrees with Etruscan half of the population of Ukraine has nothing to do in Europe and we have no illusions
            5. saha471
              saha471 18 February 2014 21: 45
              0
              I know. Himself from Donetsk. But if the whole of Ukraine is "fastened" to Russia, then at the same time a bag of pus - Banderostan - will also "fasten". Sanitation and quarantine. And the speed of this process is the discretion of the Ukrainians. Go ahead, get down to business!
          2. igor.borov775
            igor.borov775 3 December 2013 20: 11
            0
            What do you write about, Our government itself pushed Ukraine away, Forgetting it so quickly, Our government gave the opposition such leverage that it began to produce a result, They no longer believe us, And the reason for this is the actions of our authorities towards Ukraine as a state, Or they forgot, They don’t pay turn off the tap, well, no, until we get the money we pay, Yushchenko had an excellent anti-Russian program and ours helped him with all his might, Or forgot, Remember the gas price is 230, Yushchenko gives the command and negotiations break down, the Ukrainians abandoned everything and left, And of course, everyone reacted to this noisy steal, It seems everything is normal and suddenly almost thieves, When the Ukrainians backed up there, it seems Europe is freezing, As ours did, They signed everything correctly and everything was settled but on our terms, Forgot, Already then they talked about an unfair agreement, And the attempts of the Ukrainians to return we rejected this agreement, Then the Nord Stream for which the Germans allocated a loan, After the start of the gas went at a special price, this is payment for the loan, yank back and thank the Belarusians for realizing what this threatens and quickly canceled everything, but if you carefully think about and look at a map of someone else who was deprived of free games, Correctly Poles and Lithuanians, And now a simple question: who developed the most activity in the anti-Russian bacchanalia in Ukraine, The answer is not is needed, But rather, our power has driven itself into a dead end, Therefore, we behave quietly any of our movements can provoke an increase in anti-Russian sentiments, Here it is not so distant past, But Tymoshenko sits just for Russia as we like to say pragmatism, That's it HI,
            1. Prophetic
              Prophetic 30 December 2013 16: 59
              +3
              My illiterate friend. To begin with, learn to write in Russian, dot, commas to place, if you are of course Russian. Behind this, try to think with your head, and not another place, and do not carry any nonsense. Mr. Yushchenko, the American foster man with his wife, American Bendera, who unveils the monuments to Shushkevich and Bender, who conducts Nazi marches in the capital, was certainly not our friend. And at the same time, we sold gas much cheaper than European prices, i.e. in fact, we sponsored anti-Russian power. Did it help us much? Not a penny. A black dog cannot be washed to white. And when they began to steal gas and DO NOT PAY for it, then it turns out we are guilty of refusing to sponsor the thief !? You do not write nonsense.
            2. lidiy_
              lidiy_ 3 July 2014 11: 14
              0
              They did everything right with gas. Enough to have a freebie. And gas, as they stole, they steal. We have endured for so long all the shabby Ukrainian presidents. It’s time and honor to know.
          3. maximus235
            maximus235 12 March 2014 14: 55
            0
            The forecast came true.
          4. Moldovan
            Moldovan April 1 2014 13: 15
            0
            I completely agree. Furrowing the vastness of the Ukrainian Internet, here I first discovered that not all Ukrainians picked up the American infection. Although, if in truth, reading komenty on other sites is really scary, how the former Soviet people could change their minds to such an extent that the brain is just atrophy. Although this is the action of American propaganda.
        2. Orik
          Orik 28 November 2013 22: 48
          +8
          To be united one must be "FOR" something, and not evil. So far we cannot find a single vector.
        3. cdrt
          cdrt 29 November 2013 12: 47
          +1
          Quote: Mitek
          Quote: alex13-61
          Quote: makst83
          . better quick death

          It all depends on the speed of the collapse of the industry. As our "guarantor" issued yesterday on TV: the "margin" of NEMA strength ...

          Let's hope that we will once again be a single country! To spite everything!



          About half of Ukrainians want an association with the EU.
          In other words, being with them in the same country, we will have 20-22 million non-stinging ones.
          And we need it?
          Rather, after the collapse of Ukraine, we (V. and South Ukraine and the Russian Federation) should live in one state.
          1. Orik
            Orik 29 November 2013 20: 06
            0
            Quote: cdrt
            In other words, being with them in the same country, we will have 20-22 million non-stinging ones.

            There, the majority wants to live richer, but like ours.
      2. Walker1975
        Walker1975 28 November 2013 19: 04
        -67 qualifying.
        God, Wasserman is a great political and economic expert. I would rather call impotent those who bring the opinion of such experts into a serious discussion. Why don't Druz or Potashov comment on the National Military Doctrine of the Russian Federation, and Burda does not comment on the state of Russia's industrial potential? Something I did not notice that the industrial, engineering, innovative potential of Russia is the envy of the neighbors.
        1. luka095
          luka095 28 November 2013 19: 18
          11
          Where did you look?
        2. ATATA
          ATATA 28 November 2013 19: 26
          31
          Quote: Walker1975
          Something I did not notice that the industrial, engineering, innovative potential of Russia is the envy of the neighbors.

          I thought I would answer you ...
          I just feel sorry for you ...
          For how your consciousness was disfigured by a simulacrum called Vukraina.
          1. Victor-M
            Victor-M 28 November 2013 20: 20
            12
            Quote: ATATA
            I just feel sorry for you ...
            For how your consciousness was disfigured by a simulacrum called Vukraina.

            Only an individual approach can cure them, namely spitting in the face or kicking a European boot when trying to find work and equal rights in the EU they adore. Although who knows, maybe they will like it?
            1. stroporez
              stroporez 29 November 2013 10: 16
              +2
              Poles plainly said why Ukrainians and especially Ukrainians
          2. Cherdak
            Cherdak 28 November 2013 20: 52
            26
            Quote: ATATA
            simulacrum called Ukraine



            With the economy, of course, the seams, but some young ladies are still encouraging.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 29 November 2013 09: 24
              +7
              Quote: Cherdak
              With the economy, of course, the seams, but some young ladies are still encouraging.

              Mdhhhhhhh ...
              One of the main products of Ukrainian esport.
              "Jobs" in Central Europe are "Ukrainianized" by 75% laughing
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          4. kibuk
            kibuk 7 December 2013 14: 22
            +1
            you just have nothing to answer. truth pierces in the eyes, but calms the soul.
        3. Victor-M
          Victor-M 28 November 2013 20: 14
          12
          Quote: Walker1975
          Something I did not notice that the industrial, engineering, innovative potential of Russia is the envy of the neighbors.

          How to say? There would be no envy, there would be no pro-Western opposition, everything would go smoothly and decently, as under Gorbachev and Yeltsin, towards integration with the EU. We give them resources for free, and they give us democracy courses for their own loans.
        4. IGS
          IGS 28 November 2013 20: 54
          14
          Something I did not notice that the industrial, engineering, innovative potential of Russia is the envy of the neighbors
          Take off the orange glasses. But one and a half million Ukrainians working in Russia, and five million living on the money they sent, noticed. This is what part of the population do not tell me?
          1. morpex
            morpex 28 November 2013 22: 04
            -11 qualifying.
            Quote: IGS
            But one and a half million Ukrainians working in Russia, and five million living on the money they sent, noticed. This is what part of the population do not tell me?

            And you did not ask yourself the question why do you have so many guest workers? Why do not you indigenous people take up the work that they do? This is your homeland, why don’t you go to scavengers, janitors, builders, etc.? Why don’t you raise the country yourself?
            Instead of reproaching, sarcasm and mocking them, you would have erected a monument to these hard workers. And besides, all your corrupt Ministry of Internal Affairs feeds on these hard workers. Think about this before throwing a stone in the garden of Gaster. They bring more benefits to Russia than to their Motherland .. .
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              1. morpex
                morpex 28 November 2013 22: 36
                -3
                Quote: Rattenfanger
                Because rogue people coming from the former republics. USSR, trivial dumping in the labor market.

                Rogue, that is, homeless, illegal immigrants? Are you the poor disadvantaged? Don't be silly .. Maybe you yourself don't really want to work hard on non-prestigious work? "Status" does not allow? It was in the USSR - All professions are needed, all professions are important. Are you a smart guy from office plankton?

                Quote: Rattenfanger
                YOU ARE DOGS, ORALS

                Besides, it is inadequate. Show it. where, when in Ukraine normal people yelled like that? And I don’t need to show me some kind of Bandera sabbath. I have a lot of relatives in Russia. If I am according to your "MOTHER OF THE DOG" then who are they according to your geniology? If we are brothers - Slavs, who are you? SAMEC?
                1. stroporez
                  stroporez 29 November 2013 10: 21
                  +5
                  Quote: morpex
                  . where when in Ukraine normal people yelled like that?
                  -------- but sho, in Ukraine, "normal lyudi" are in power ????????? shouted sho "we are without damned m-lei --- oogo !!!!!!" well, from you and wow ........
                  1. morpex
                    morpex 29 November 2013 12: 09
                    +5
                    Quote: stroporez
                    -------- and sho, in Ukraine, "normal people" are in power

                    I’m talking about power? I’m talking about ordinary people .. And you poke power to me .. And without you I know that it’s abnormal ...
                    1. rolik
                      rolik 30 November 2013 01: 58
                      +2
                      Quote: morpex
                      I’m talking about power? I’m talking about ordinary people ..

                      And who chose this power as not simple, as you say, people. Or maybe the temporarily imported Poles and Romanians chose it? What kind of power have you chosen and you live. Moreover, it was always surprising that the neighbors were to blame. And somehow the proud past of the 90s was immediately forgotten, when not everything was profiled in Ukraine. What then were the proud inhabitants of the Square, how they snorted towards the unwashed, I am a Nazi muzzle, s. Well, they snorted. Some holes, nothing - nothing at all. No industry, no pride, no perspective. Time put everything in its place and determined who was really the draft force of the USSR, and who was a freeloader. So it is the parasites, parasites, and mediocrity (former Soviet republics) who now blame Russia for everything. And we do not have to feed you, nafig you didn’t fall "brotherly" people, who, at an opportunity, will stick a knife in the back. a really friendly country in the post-Soviet space, this is Belarus. These guys are really great. It is necessary to help them, even with some of Batka's quirks.
                      And, to be honest, I do not want association with Ukraine, I do not want at all. Adults already knew where they were going. Well, let yourself go ...... on.
                      1. morpex
                        morpex 30 November 2013 10: 48
                        +1
                        Quote: rolik
                        And who chose this power

                        Novel! Do you have any idea of ​​the realities of elections in Ukraine? In my opinion, there is no such wild Sabbath called "ELECTIONS" I have never seen in my life. I am a participant in these "ELECTIONS!" (I was the chairman of the commission, you cannot even imagine, through what I had to go through) But this is a separate topic. So, there is no need here about the election of power.
                        Quote: rolik
                        Moreover, it was always surprising that the neighbors were to blame.

                        But who blames you poor fellow? I haven’t. I’ve always talked about this. Your authority is yes. No FIG was to interfere. Even indirectly.

                        Quote: rolik
                        No industry, no pride, no perspective

                        Hello zombies! laughing


                        Quote: rolik
                        parasites and mediocrity (former union republics)

                        You either do not know the history of the USSR at all, or you were taught like that at school. Do you at least take a little interest in how you got such a powerful industry in the Urals? And then she’ll say it. You only listened to Russia so much. It’s in the style of your government, which can shamelessly say that you would have won the war without Ukraine, having lost millions of dead Urains and spit in the soul of ordinary veterans ..
                        I don’t hold grudges against you, like millions of ordinary Russians, and I’m not going to blame for anything. Not in my rules. But I don’t want such power in the CU as well as in the EU, because the CU and the EU are only pursuing their own selfish plans. And they act on the principle that the worse they have the better we have. By the way, in Belarus I agree with you. Keep it up! But a strong Belarus is also a thorn in the eye of your government. And Putin will keep her in check by all available means, so that she would not go far ...
                2. Rattenfanger
                  Rattenfanger 29 November 2013 18: 40
                  +5
                  Are you a wise guy from office plankton?

                  No, I’m a wise guy from a blast furnace shop, if that’s telling you anything.
                  Also inadequate. Show. where when in Ukraine normal people yelled like that?

                  Uchi Hospadiii!))) As a furry animal crept up, so all Russophiles and brothers became. And who was yelling about, I’m a Nazi face, ovs eating a little nyka and voted in a referendum for independence?
                  1. morpex
                    morpex 30 November 2013 11: 45
                    +3
                    Quote: Rattenfanger
                    Are you a wise guy from office plankton?

                    No, I’m a wise guy from a blast furnace shop, if that’s telling you anything.

                    Says. If so then I apologize for plankton ..
                    .
                    Uchi Hospadiii!))) So all Russophiles and brothers became.
                    I never ceased to be one. I still hardly distinguish where Ukraine is and where Russia is. The soul hurts the same for both countries because they used to be one BIG COUNTRY and I was born in it. And I don’t like when they pour dirt on one of them ...
                    And who was yelling about, I’m a Nazi face, ovs eating a little nyka and voted in a referendum for independence?

                    I’ll answer again. I haven’t met such people in my communication environment. As well as in the region where I live .. What about the nida’s ridiculous? So I love her, with all the consequences. How's Shevchuk? Let her ugly, but nevertheless MOTHERLAND ...
                    I didn’t want it from the beginning. Because I knew it, it won’t work out either .. I was more than happy when the GKChP wanted to stop this orgy .. It’s a pity the guys didn’t succeed ...
              2. Gooch v. 2
                Gooch v. 2 29 November 2013 04: 57
                -16 qualifying.
                Quote: Rattenfanger
                Because rogue people coming from the former republics. USSR, trivial dumping in the labor market. Why pay the Russian janitor 25 thousand if the Tajik is happy to work for 10?
                YOU FEMALE DOGS SCREAMING: "RUSSIANS GET HOME!"
                WE WENT OUT. NOW YOU.

                Show me what kind of janitor gets 25 tons a month? O_O In my city, the janitor gets max. 8-12 thousand, mostly Tajiks Uzbeks work, and not because they "oppress the Russians," but because Russian drunks come to work, who will roll Putinks, into the stability of the Russian mother, and then hide in the nearest forest from the authorities, fall asleep there in the cold, and in the morning they wake up in the hospital with amputated arms, legs, and God knows what. More than once I have come across such.
                Beggars from republics of the former USSR are doing loot right now, because you are a female dog, you can’t take out the trash with you, but they work, they are people and you are rubbish.
                1. Victor-M
                  Victor-M 29 November 2013 09: 17
                  +6
                  Quote: Gooch v.2
                  Beggars from republics of the former USSR are doing loot right now, because you are a female dog, you can’t take out the trash with you, but they work, they are people and you are rubbish.

                  The question is not whether they work or not, but the fact that some here are yelling that everything is bad in Russia, well, if so, what kind of bolt are they all here, after all, in order, as you put it, to "loot do ", we need a little bit of stability, the availability of jobs and the demand for them. Well, the guest-workers, protected by you, come here not only to clean up the garbage, but also to sell the drugs they bring here.
                  1. Gooch v. 2
                    Gooch v. 2 29 November 2013 09: 50
                    0
                    Quote: Victor-M
                    The question is not whether they work or not, but the fact that some here are yelling that everything is bad in Russia, well, if so, what kind of bolt are they all here, after all, in order, as you put it, to "loot do ", we need a little bit of stability, the availability of jobs and the demand for them. Well, the guest-workers, protected by you, come here not only to clean up the garbage, but also to sell the drugs they bring here.

                    In my opinion, the Gaster are happy as elephants when they come here, if they play football in their homeland with fruit, but here they have the opportunity to sell them at a good price, then what is the problem? If I were in their place, I would do the same, if people here are ready to pay money for bananas, tomatoes, cucumbers, grapes, and I have this good in bulk at home, what prevents me from coming and selling them?

                    Well, you are protected by guest workers, they come here not only to clean up the garbage, but also to sell here the drugs they bring.

                    This is all done, of course, not without the participation of law enforcement agencies; getting drugs across the border is still half the battle, the problem is to sell it, and it is not so simple to do so. For example, I do not care, I do not use narcotic substances, why should I care about their origin or absence? Who needs it will find.
                    1. IS-80
                      IS-80 29 November 2013 10: 26
                      +5
                      Quote: Gooch v.2
                      For example, I do not care, I do not use narcotic substances, why should I care about their origin or absence? Who needs it will find.


                      Are you speaking in your right mind and solid memory?
                      1. Gooch v. 2
                        Gooch v. 2 29 November 2013 10: 31
                        -2
                        Quote: IS-80
                        Are you speaking in your right mind and solid memory?

                        Nope, veran over the vein and jumped into the network, with you for porridge manna, for a humane chat life.
                      2. IS-80
                        IS-80 29 November 2013 10: 38
                        0
                        Quote: Gooch v. 2
                        Quote: IS-80
                        Are you speaking in your right mind and solid memory?

                        Nope, veran over the vein and jumped into the network, with you for porridge manna, for a humane chat life.


                        Well, continue the logical chain that still does not bother you, what else do you give a damn about until it hits your head.
                2. lidiy_
                  lidiy_ 3 July 2014 11: 19
                  0
                  Exactly who is not from the former USSR. Everything to work for us. But they will not forget that in Russia it’s bad ... Do not drive FIGs. Work for yourself. I imagine that Ukrainians will all work at home. Again run to the Maidan ...
              3. Rattenfanger
                Rattenfanger 29 November 2013 18: 35
                0
                because you are a female dog, you can’t take out the garbage with you, and they work, they are people and you are rubbish.

                1) Why are you talking to me? We shit on the same collective farm field? Or is it inferiority in education from the trachea splashes?
                2) I have every right to call "our little brothers" s_u_k_a_m_i. They, without saying thank you for all the good that was thanks to Russia, hastened to accuse us of all mortal sins - we are the colonialists (Kyrgyzstan), and the freeloaders are. And how they began to cover themselves with a female genital organ, they rushed to us. And when we refuse to give them handouts to the same "Ukrainians" in the history of gas, we are poured with shit.
                But the fact that you allowed yourself something similar to me is, to put it mildly, surprising. You need to follow the broom. You, as a connoisseur of janitors, need to know about this.
                3) Who and where doesn’t clean up (or wash off) behind yourself at home. Sounds outrageous.
                4) Remember how they become a vampire? I mean, the donkey didn’t kick you?
                Show me what kind of janitor is receiving 25 tons per month? O_O In my city the janitor gets max. 8-12 thousand, mainly Tajiks work Uzbeks

                Where I wrote that the janitors are paid 25 thousand (THOUSAND))))?
                1. Muadipus
                  Muadipus 29 November 2013 19: 06
                  +2
                  just the story of one city of Kronstadt.
                  The head of Kronstadt, Terenty Meshcheryakov, is pleased with the success and promises to develop the direction. The Russians who have come to work have already been raised by 25%, and half of them received official housing. From October 1, the salary of the Kronstadt cleaner is 10 per plot, and over time, wipers will receive twice as much.


                  Source: Petersburg Today http://sptoday.ru/2013_10_11/russkie-dvorniki-prizhilis-v-kronshtadte-na-ochered
                  i-marshrutchiki /

                2. Cristall
                  Cristall 30 November 2013 17: 34
                  +3
                  OU.
                  guys finish this. This is a forum, not a place for school showdowns.
                  As for the second paragraph, it is generally indecent.
                  Cause only censure for such behavior.
              4. rolik
                rolik 30 November 2013 02: 05
                +3
                Quote: Gooch v.2
                In my city the janitor gets max. 8-12 thousand, mainly Tajiks are Uzbeks, and not

                But Russians work with us as janitors, and not even drunks. And here is another nuance. If in Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, the standard of living would be like in Russia, would they come to us to work as janitors ??? never in my life.
                So, do not need fairy tales about drunks. Tajik can buy a whole village for these 8 thousand in Tajikistan (I exaggerated this of course, but the idea is clear)
                This is an analogy with people who left the Union, who later worked as taxi drivers in America. There they received a month as much as in their historical homeland for six months.
                Here is a comparison. And do not soar the brain that Tajiks are replacing Russian drunks because they are hardworking. I repeat once more if their standard of living in their homeland was similar to ours. None of them would have been seen as a working janitor.
          2. IGS
            IGS 28 November 2013 22: 33
            26
            Instead of reproaching, sarcasm and mocking them, you would have erected a monument to these laborers.
            Are you confusing anything? I won't let you be rude, where is my mockery of them? I have a dislike for such balabols as you and the Westerners with their hatred of Russia, Where did you hear "It's only worse than a gay" towards the Ukrainians, even from the nationalists this is not, I look at what is on the moydane and hear it all the time, Yes, we have another There is a saying: "Where he went, a Jew has nothing to do," but even Jews do not take offense at it. We make and raise to the best of our ability one way or another, or do you think all the money in the country comes from the gas pipe only? you are wrong. And your "boxer" to the direct question: "What will you export to Europe?" answered: "Chernozem". Millions of witnesses. For reference, during the Second World War, the Germans exported black soil from Ukraine. And no one condemned him, he is your orange hero. Let's finish this topic, for me you go wherever you want, you shouted at one time, 20 years ago: "We feed all of Europe, we ate all the bread and lard." Have you fed? And they left, having received the Crimea, and we are all in debt. We got out by paying with the lives of our retirees! You are all about ... or, and now you will sit on our neck again, and we will remain to blame. Tired of this cunning of yours. It was necessary to hold a referendum in our country whether we want Ukraine to join the CU or the EU, just indicate how much it will cost us, and specifically how much will be deducted from each of our families for this "brotherhood". Finished about it. We have enough of our thieves to carry yours too.
            1. morpex
              morpex 28 November 2013 23: 08
              -2
              Quote: IGS
              I will not allow rudeness

              And what's that?
              Quote: IGS
              I dislike such balabol

              Quote: IGS
              your "boxer

              Quote: IGS
              follow me wherever you want

              Do you know where I wanted to?
              Quote: IGS
              having received the Crimea,

              I??? I’m the same guest there as you. All of our South Coast and your oligarchs have put on bars .. So to whom is it given?

              Quote: IGS
              Are you all about ... if

              What could I ... when I had an orphan louse in my pocket during the collapse. What?

              Quote: IGS
              sit on our neck again

              Hardly. I'm used to everything myself ..

              Quote: IGS
              we will remain to blame

              never blamed a simple Russian for his troubles.


              Quote: IGS
              Tired of this your cunning

              My? In what?
              Quote: IGS
              do we want Ukraine to join the CU or the EU,

              I But I don’t want to go either here or here. I have to roll up my sleeves and plow and not run on the Maidan ..

              Quote: IGS
              how much will be deducted from each of our families for this "brotherhood".

              even if they subtract it, do you really think that I’ll have something from this? As you put it, your thief is enough. So, your thief and ours will be subtracted and divided among themselves ...
              And I didn’t be rude to you. And for me, by the way, one word is guest worker is an insult. Almost like an OSTARBAYTER! Someone called us that.
              1. Cristall
                Cristall 30 November 2013 20: 05
                +3
                Why are you making excuses? It's not your fault. Who is not guilty is not justified. You’ll be bored with all this.
                not well guys, let's all have another look at each other? request
            2. I'm Sanya.
              I'm Sanya. 3 December 2013 04: 50
              0
              drinks I agree with you. we were impudently robbed from the very beginning of non-fall, so they lived. Let them take a steam bath in Europe, there are free nemae. it’s not just that in Europe every fifth hohlushka prostitute. and to add those who work on our backs, in general, every second. one word, lyady. all the people are prostitutes. except my relatives.
          3. Setrac
            Setrac 28 November 2013 22: 41
            +4
            Quote: morpex
            Why do not you indigenous people take up the work that they do? This is your homeland, why don’t you go to scavengers, janitors, builders, etc.? Why don’t you raise the country yourself?

            But garbage collectors, janitors and builders do not raise the country, the country is raised by workers and peasants, but among them there are some dumb guest workers, because there you need to work more and get less.
            1. IGS
              IGS 28 November 2013 22: 44
              16
              And also because migrant workers brought down their salaries. And for the money they agree, we will not survive. A friend tried to get a janitor about 3 years ago ... yeah, right now ... and they didn’t talk. Therefore, never and nowhere to love migrant workers, and even more so will not erect monuments. They take away jobs, knocking down zp
              1. morpex
                morpex 28 November 2013 23: 16
                +6
                Quote: IGS
                And also because migrant workers brought down their salaries.

                If this is the case, then drive them nafig out of there. I personally do not go anywhere. The houses work up to the neck. Recently I bought "Kharkov Courier", so there are 500 hundred page advertisements, in small print
                1. Egoza
                  Egoza 29 November 2013 09: 44
                  +3
                  Quote: morpex
                  so advertisements on 500 hundred pages, in small print

                  We also have a lot of those who "will not go for less than 5-7 thousand." All the masters imagined themselves. When the children have nothing to eat, you will go to any job. But they prefer to sit on their parents' necks.
                  1. morpex
                    morpex 29 November 2013 10: 27
                    +4
                    Quote: Egoza
                    Quote: morpex
                    so advertisements on 500 hundred pages, in small print

                    We also have a lot of those who "will not go for less than 5-7 thousand." All the masters imagined themselves. When the children have nothing to eat, you will go to any job. But they prefer to sit on their parents' necks.

                    I agree. A good article was in the Union. FOR PARUNASIS. And close all of these EXCHANGES. At least in the form in which they exist now. A simple example. My son is driven from work to clean the plantings on the day off and the stockbrokers sit at home and get paid. Marasmus of the highest order!
              2. Gooch v. 2
                Gooch v. 2 29 November 2013 05: 05
                -11 qualifying.
                Quote: IGS
                Therefore, never and nowhere to love migrant workers, and even more so will not erect monuments. They take away jobs, knocking down zp

                They stick together, help each other, pull out, slip,
                install. They are ABLE to do things and do. Not a flea on ** unnecessary shoe for anyone, but to assemble, sew, build.
                Georgians, Armenians - are trading. They come to your home and raise the money
                which the Russians are not able to raise because of their laziness and stupidity.
                1. IS-80
                  IS-80 29 November 2013 09: 37
                  +7
                  Quote: Gooch v.2
                  They come to your home and raise the money
                  which the Russians are not able to raise because of their laziness and stupidity.


                  But can you comment on your presence in Siberia, what Dagestani laziness and stupidity prevented you from working at home and forced you to go to distant lands?
                  1. Gooch v. 2
                    Gooch v. 2 29 November 2013 09: 52
                    -1
                    Quote: IS-80
                    But can you comment on your presence in Siberia, what Dagestani laziness and stupidity prevented you from working at home and forced you to go to distant lands?

                    It prevented me from being born in Siberia. Accordingly, I don’t know my native language, traditions, don’t know, I don’t know religion.
                    1. IS-80
                      IS-80 29 November 2013 10: 43
                      +2
                      And here two questions arise in this case.
                      First, what is dearer to you than Dagestan or Siberia? And the second, what prevents you from knowing everything that you don’t know, the Dagestan mind and colossal performance?
                    2. Gooch v. 2
                      Gooch v. 2 29 November 2013 10: 49
                      -1
                      Quote: IS-80
                      And here two questions arise in this case.
                      First, what is dearer to you than Dagestan or Siberia? And the second, what prevents you from knowing everything that you don’t know, the Dagestan mind and colossal performance?

                      Siberia, Dagestan - the historical Homeland, Siberia - the actual.

                      And the second, what prevents you from knowing everything that you don’t know, the Dagestan mind and colossal performance?

                      Are you pretending to be a fool or are you really? To find out, you need to live among people who speak the language you want to learn. Or learn a language from childhood.
                    3. IS-80
                      IS-80 29 November 2013 10: 57
                      +4
                      Quote: Gooch v.2
                      Are you pretending to be a fool or are you really? To find out, you need to live among people who speak the language you want to learn. Or learn a language from childhood.


                      Everything is clear with you; you are much to blame Russians for laziness and stupidity. But they themselves are not able to strain again. And I can call fools, and bad business is not tricky.
                    4. Gooch v. 2
                      Gooch v. 2 29 November 2013 11: 06
                      -1
                      Quote: IS-80
                      Everything is clear with you; you are much to blame Russians for laziness and stupidity. But they themselves are not able to strain again. And I can call fools, and bad business is not tricky.

                      Sorry, our concepts of laziness and stupidity differ widely between you, well, at least kill me, my tongue doesn’t turn around, call such people highly intellectual and moral laborers


                    5. IS-80
                      IS-80 29 November 2013 11: 21
                      +4
                      Quote: Gooch v.2
                      Sorry, our concepts of laziness and stupidity differ widely between you, well, at least kill me, my tongue doesn’t turn around, call such people highly intellectual and moral laborers


                      In the first and third photographs, people make a very painful impression. And on the second, people, like people, celebrate the border guard’s day, apparently. smile By the way, one of them is not very Russian in appearance. But their intellectuality and morality are difficult to judge when looking at photographs.
                    6. Lapotnik
                      Lapotnik 29 November 2013 11: 37
                      +8
                      By posting such photos with comments you spit in the face of all people do you understand this? Under one comb with cattle, pensioners, teachers, and military were equated - the whole nation. This will justify your nearness.

                      Wretchedly, honestly wretched.
                    7. Gooch v. 2
                      Gooch v. 2 29 November 2013 11: 59
                      -7
                      Quote: Lapotnik
                      By posting such photos with comments you spit in the face of all people do you understand this? Under one comb with cattle, pensioners, teachers, and military were equated - the whole nation. This will justify your nearness.

                      The military will not disgrace the honor of his uniform, being whipped in a fountain with a bottle of jaguar, this is not a military, but a typical alkane.
                      A teacher raising children in the spirit of rampant fucking and consuming yagi, not a teacher but rubbish.
                    8. Setrac
                      Setrac 29 November 2013 12: 49
                      0
                      Quote: Gooch v.2
                      The military will not disgrace the honor of his uniform, being whipped in a fountain with a bottle of jaguar, this is not a military, but a typical alkane.

                      But in the photo there are no jaguars pounded with a bottle. All sober, they entered the fountain from the principle, paying tribute to tradition.
                    9. Gooch v. 2
                      Gooch v. 2 29 November 2013 16: 25
                      -1
                      Quote: Setrac
                      But in the photo there are no jaguars pounded with a bottle. All sober, they entered the fountain from the principle paying tribute to tradition.

                      spiritual traditions of a great country


                      What is heroism? what are the traditions? that you were assigned to the military enlistment office not there, but there? and now, until the end of life, you can buzz in the center of the city, fuck ** from 8 a.m. in disgrace, disrupt public order, behave below human dignity. then die a couple of days from the body. in short, they transferred their flawed army concepts to civilian life. at least one of them in life at least once parachuted after the army? and these guys do not pull into the sky. and drink vodka - yes!
                      I have no complaints against the real participants in the hostilities.
                    10. Setrac
                      Setrac 29 November 2013 16: 34
                      0
                      Quote: Gooch v.2
                      What is heroism? what are the traditions? that you were assigned to the military enlistment office not there, but there?

                      Do you think that they are randomly distributed? No! Such as you, unreliable, will not fall into the elite troops, and even in the motorized infantry there is little chance.
                    11. Gooch v. 2
                      Gooch v. 2 29 November 2013 16: 40
                      0
                      Quote: Setrac
                      Do you think that they are randomly distributed? No! Such as you, unreliable, will not fall into the elite troops, and even in the motorized infantry there is little chance.

                      Elite troops, strength, courage, courage, stone, scissors, paper.
                    12. IGS
                      IGS 29 November 2013 17: 54
                      0
                      Are you still here? Did you arrange a dressing circus? Yes ... no ... a clown cannot come out of you, even a redhead, you cannot let children in. Cross the line ... oh cross.

                      Dear moderators, please do not delete this subject and do not ban. It’s better if he promotes ideas that contradict the legislation of the Russian Federation and incites hostility towards the inhabitants of the Republic of Dagestan. Everything will be supervised, people are grated here. And then I look at the nickname and he has v 2 ... or maybe version 1 was or is
                      In general, this Troll got its way, brought down a discussion about Ukraine and transferred it to the internal affairs of Russia, and I was seduced, although I just had to ignore it.
                    13. Gooch v. 2
                      Gooch v. 2 30 November 2013 10: 30
                      0
                      Quote: IGS
                      Dear moderators, please do not delete this subject and do not ban. It’s better if he promotes ideas that contradict the legislation of the Russian Federation and incites hostility towards the inhabitants of the Republic of Dagestan. Everything will be supervised, people are grated here. And then I look at the nickname and he has v 2 ... or maybe version 1 was or is
                      In general, this Troll got its way, brought down a discussion about Ukraine and transferred it to the internal affairs of Russia, and I was seduced, although I just had to ignore it.

                      You are sharp as a blow with a sickle in the balls, and hard as a blow with a hammer. They already found the article for me and sentenced in absentia.)
                    14. IGS
                      IGS 30 November 2013 19: 48
                      0
                      Why look for her, my dear. So you say that you are fighting with byd..om, but Russia has nothing against the country, you are a liar and a petty one, here is your post that proves the opposite http://topwar.ru/34777-itogi-nedeli.html# comment-id-1605073, and which, incidentally, contains signs of a crime, the punishment of which is provided for in article 329 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. And with a sickle ... it’s for you to do it without me, even your countrymen from Dagestan, you're an atheist laughing . Although where are you from, only moderators are aware of IPs, and even that ...
                    15. Gooch v. 2
                      Gooch v. 2 3 December 2013 06: 32
                      0
                      Quote: IGS
                      Why look for her, my dear. So you say that you are fighting with byd..om, but Russia has nothing against the country, you are a liar and a petty one, here is your post that proves the opposite http://topwar.ru/34777-itogi-nedeli.html# comment-id-1605073, and which, incidentally, contains signs of corpus delicti, the punishment of which is provided for in article 329 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. And with a sickle ... you’ll do it without me, even your countrymen from Dagestan, you're an atheist. Although where are you from, only moderators are aware of IPs, and even that ...

                      file formal charges, sue) do not sit still, my ip is in sight.)
  2. Setrac
    Setrac 29 November 2013 12: 33
    +4
    Quote: Gooch v.2
    Sorry, our concepts of laziness and stupidity differ widely between you, well, at least kill me, my tongue doesn’t turn around, call such people highly intellectual and moral laborers

    Such for example?
  3. Gooch v. 2
    Gooch v. 2 29 November 2013 14: 59
    0
    Well, and who argues, although this photo is far from being the most meager, of those that you can show here. lol
  4. Setrac
    Setrac 29 November 2013 15: 48
    +2
    Quote: Gooch v.2
    Well, and who argues, although this photo is far from being the most meager, of those that you can show here.

    Well, I’m not an enemy of Caucasians, this is to show you that you can dig a sea of ​​similar photos about ANY nation.
  5. CHILD
    CHILD 29 November 2013 13: 34
    +1
    WELL AND WHAT ???)))) THIS IS ONLY AMONG THE RUSSIANS SUCH ??? AND NOT THERE)))) BUT DECISION IS TAKEN .... THE HARD LOVER IS INTERESTINGLY HEAVY DIFFERENT THAN A PERSON HANDS THAT ANYBODY HAVE BEEN ????
  6. Gooch v. 2
    Gooch v. 2 29 November 2013 14: 59
    -3
    Kaps lok, the first sign of a torn fart, you have a butthert buddy.
  • andranick
    andranick 29 November 2013 10: 07
    0
    Quote: IS-80
    Dagestan laziness and dullness

    Excuse me, what is your nationality? Just wondering what kind of nation is inherent in rudeness and hysteria. Less to you, for inciting ethnic hatred.
    1. IS-80
      IS-80 29 November 2013 10: 33
      +1
      What are you saying? What is your nationality? I am Russian. Be so kind as to first familiarize yourself with the posts of this very interesting Dagestan, and then put the cons from a great mind.
    2. Gooch v. 2
      Gooch v. 2 29 November 2013 10: 35
      -1
      Quote: IS-80
      What are you saying? What is your nationality? I am Russian. Be so kind as to first familiarize yourself with the posts of this very interesting Dagestan, and then put the cons from a great mind.

      a man made it clear that you are Russian does not give you the right to be rude and raise a tantrum. I am with you on you. And you are conducting a dialogue as if I were drinking vodka with you at the Brudershaft and went around the women.
    3. IS-80
      IS-80 29 November 2013 10: 48
      +2
      Quote: Gooch v.2
      the fact that you are Russian does not give you the right to be rude and raise a tantrum. I am with you on you. And you are conducting a dialogue as if I were drinking vodka with you at the Brudershaft and went around the women.


      It doesn’t, I’m not rude. You have spread hysteria and rudeness, offended my people. I'm not going to drink with people like you, and in general I drink extremely rarely.
    4. Gooch v. 2
      Gooch v. 2 29 November 2013 10: 53
      -4
      Quote: IS-80
      It doesn’t, I’m not rude. You have spread hysteria and rudeness, offended my people. I'm not going to drink with people like you, and in general I drink extremely rarely.

      were you offended by the fact that I posted 5 photos? how vulnerable you are, I will continue to be more careful with posts, as if not to hurt someone’s nature
    5. IS-80
      IS-80 29 November 2013 11: 09
      +2
      Quote: Gooch v.2
      were you offended by the fact that I posted 5 photos? how vulnerable you are, I will continue to be more careful with posts, as if not to hurt someone’s nature


      I don’t know how vulnerable I am, more vulnerable than you or not. Well, that also hurt you when I spoke about human qualities,
      inherent not only to Russian.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 29 November 2013 12: 52
    +2
    Quote: Gooch v.2
    a man made it clear that you are Russian does not give you the right to be rude and raise a tantrum. I am with you on you. And you are conducting a dialogue as if I were drinking vodka with you at the Brudershaft and went around the women.

    What kind of discrimination on ethnic grounds, then you, you can be rude to the Dagestan, and Russian Nini? Wipe the snot behind you, and then poke your finger on the other, however, this is also indecent, but you do not know the rules of decency.
  • Gooch v. 2
    Gooch v. 2 29 November 2013 15: 00
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    What kind of discrimination on ethnic grounds, then you, you can be rude to the Dagestan, and Russian Nini? Wipe the snot behind you, and then poke your finger on the other, however, this is also indecent, but you do not know the rules of decency.

    show me where I was rude? Are you and me? since when? Dear, you get off the palm tree, and normally conduct a dialogue.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 29 November 2013 15: 52
    +4
    Quote: Gooch v.2
    because you are a female dog, you can’t take out the garbage with you, and they work, they are people and you are rubbish.

    Quote: Gooch v.2
    but because Russian drunks come to work, which Putin will roll, in the stability of mother’s Russia

    Are you obsessing a nation that you owe everything to and demand respect for yourself? so you need to earn it.
    Quote: Gooch v.2
    Dear, you get off the palm tree

    Only after you respected cave out of the cave.
  • Gooch v. 2
    Gooch v. 2 29 November 2013 15: 56
    -2
    Quote: Setrac
    Are you obsessing a nation that you owe everything to and demand respect for yourself? so you need to earn it.

    when the representatives of the supernation with a bottle of vodka and a jar of jaguar begin to respect themselves, then I will begin to respect them, but at the moment I don’t care.

    Only after you respected cave out of the cave.
  • andranick
    andranick 29 November 2013 10: 51
    +3
    I have the honor to introduce myself: Andrei Denisov, Krasnodar, Russian. I read everything in this thread, as you remember from geography - Ukraine is not far from me, that's why the topic is close. Like Dagestan. And about my mind, I'm sorry, not for you to judge. And once again I ask, do not blow on smoldering coals. Uzbekism!
  • IS-80
    IS-80 29 November 2013 11: 29
    0
    Quote: andranick
    I have the honor to introduce myself: Andrei Denisov, Krasnodar, Russian. I read everything in this thread, as you remember from geography - Ukraine is not far from me, that's why the topic is close. Like Dagestan. And about my mind, I'm sorry, not for you to judge. And once again I ask, do not blow on smoldering coals. Uzbekism!


    Great, another outstanding person. Seeing what is not, and not seeing what is. Is it not for me to judge your mind? Hmmm, well then you judge me.
  • andranick
    andranick 29 November 2013 11: 53
    0
    Quote: IS-80
    Hmmm, well then you judge me.

    Not at all. I have never spoken about your mental abilities. And if you are about "not for you to judge my mind," again there is no hint of your IQ in it, there is a statement of your incompetence in this matter.
    Quote: IS-80
    Great, another outstanding person. Seeing what is not, and not seeing what is.

    Are you about megalomania? I do not have it! Great people do not suffer from this. :)
  • IS-80
    IS-80 29 November 2013 12: 52
    -1
    Quote: andranick
    Are you about megalomania? I do not have it! Great people do not suffer from this. :)


    Well, if you put the question like that, more likely about schizophrenia.

    Quote: andranick
    Not at all. I have never spoken about your mental abilities. And if you are about "not for you to judge my mind," again there is no hint of your IQ in it, there is a statement of your incompetence in this matter.


    And I do not judge in general, about your intelligence. But what you said stupidity doesn’t change in any way.
  • andranick
    andranick 29 November 2013 13: 33
    0
    Quote: IS-80
    But what you said is stupid,

    Oh how! To point out to a Russian person his unworthy behavior is stupidity? Or what are you talking about?
  • IS-80
    IS-80 29 November 2013 13: 43
    +1
    Quote: andranick
    Oh how! To point out to a Russian person his unworthy behavior is stupidity? Or what are you talking about?


    First, first point out the misbehavior of the bright-faced Dagestan. Secondly, once again I explain to you, I was not rude, I asked a question in the same words as this worthy person described the behavior of all Russians.
  • andranick
    andranick 29 November 2013 14: 03
    +2
    Quote: IS-80
    First, first point out the misbehavior of the bright-faced Dagestan

    You are Russian. And I am Russian. And I first of all You point to Your unworthy behavior, because it does not honor my and your nation. Will explain. You consider the behavior of this "clear-faced Dagestani" unworthy. And they themselves condescended to similar behavior. And I already consider this unworthy, which I spoke about.
  • IS-80
    IS-80 29 November 2013 14: 28
    +3
    Quote: andranick
    You are Russian. And I am Russian. And first of all I will point out to you your unworthy behavior, because it does not do the honor of my and your nation. Will explain. You consider the behavior of this "clear-faced Dagestani" unworthy. And they themselves condescended to similar behavior. And I already consider this unworthy, which I spoke about.


    The joke seemed to be true. Your diagnosis is severe.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 29 November 2013 12: 54
    +1
    Quote: andranick
    again, there is no hint of your IQ in it, there is a statement of your incompetence in this matter.

    How much pathos! But in the Krasnodar Territory there are five million people, you are not the only "sighted" one.
  • andranick
    andranick 29 November 2013 13: 21
    +2
    I talked only about rudeness. And I'm glad that you acknowledge that
    Quote: Setrac
    five million people live in the Krasnodar Territory, you are not the only one who is "sighted".

    I consider rudeness unacceptable regardless of nationality.
    Speaking in the counter you, as I understand it, do not agree with my statement about rudeness?
  • Setrac
    Setrac 29 November 2013 13: 45
    0
    Quote: andranick
    Speaking in the counter you, as I understand it, do not agree with my statement about rudeness?

    by entering with you in counter I want to indicate that claims for rudeness are not addressed, address Gooch v.2.
  • Simon
    Simon 29 November 2013 14: 39
    0
    Did someone say they are scavengers?
  • Egoza
    Egoza 29 November 2013 09: 39
    +4
    Quote: IGS
    They take away jobs, knocking down zp

    In fact, at all times of capitalism, the owners used the labor of strikebreakers! Those who came to the places of the striking workers. And the strikers always beat them! So in this case, those who came to work and agree to a low salary are such strikebreakers. But they also use social protection in our time. Therefore, it really needs to be regulated at the legislative level. Not just like that - I wanted to and came. And put "employers" in the appropriate framework! And do not hesitate to write complaints to the local, if they refused to work, but took the newcomer. But all this can and should be desired with due control and infringement of the activities of the capitalists.
  • morpex
    morpex 28 November 2013 23: 18
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    But scavengers, janitors and builders do not raise the country

    I agree. But the shells need someone to bring? Why do not you want? Dirty work?
    1. IGS
      IGS 29 November 2013 00: 13
      +5
      I have already answered this question. Pretending not to read, answering another? Why not chase those who bring us down? So we have thieves, oh, how many, and oh, how they need labor. We do not want to go to work, and you please, earning money for this thief. And as for Europe, they are probably waiting for you there ... only, I just watched the Maidan on the webcam and went to the western forums .. there, orange something doesn't appear, but comments like: "Oh, God. They fight among themselves! To live at our expense. " , and I also advise you to go to the German forums, I don't know German, but it's understandable. And by the way, Cameron today announced that he would not tolerate Poles, Latvians and anyone else, this is about those who came to work. In 2004 there was a tragedy, now a farce. Above you already in almost all non-Ukrainian forums ... no, they do not argue ... they are joking ... take the broadcast on YouTube from the Maidan.
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 29 November 2013 00: 45
      +6
      Quote: morpex
      I agree. But the shells need someone to bring? Why do not you want? Dirty work?

      Because "themselves" do not agree to double-entry bookkeeping, do not agree to give half of the salary to "uncle" for a place! For the salary that is officially registered in the janitors, the whole country will agree to go.
  • Gooch v. 2
    Gooch v. 2 29 November 2013 05: 00
    -6
    Quote: Setrac
    But garbage collectors, janitors and builders do not raise the country, the country is raised by workers and peasants, but among them there are some dumb guest workers, because there you need to work more and get less.

    live in feces, garbage, and in a dirty wooden shack, but without "Chyurok", Great desire, great Russia, mother
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 29 November 2013 12: 57
      +1
      Quote: Gooch v.2
      but without "Chyurok",

      If you are aware of yourself as chock, then you are chock, what does the Russian have to do with it?
      Quote: Gooch v.2
      live in feces, garbage, and in a dirty wooden shack

      Purely not where they clean, but where they don’t clean, start clean from yourself, go pick up a bottle of beer and an empty pack of cigarettes that you threw in the park.
      Yes, and tidy up the dermcez that you posted on this site.
      1. Gooch v. 2
        Gooch v. 2 29 November 2013 15: 04
        -2
        Quote: Setrac
        If you are aware of yourself as chock, then you are chock, what does the Russian have to do with it?

        uh is not an amiable friend, chyurka, this is a state of mind, this question is not for me, among the Russians so dearly beloved by all, the so-called Chyurok is more numerous than among the representatives of the northern Caucasus.

        Purely not where they clean, but where they don’t clean, start clean from yourself, go pick up a bottle of beer and an empty pack of cigarettes that you threw in the park.
        Yes, and tidy up the dermcez that you posted on this site.

        I don’t smoke, I won’t raise anything. shit, you’re more like a comrade, in your pants
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 29 November 2013 15: 54
          0
          Quote: Gooch v.2
          rather, you have a comrade, in my pants

          But you demand respect for yourself, crawl back to your cave.
          1. Gooch v. 2
            Gooch v. 2 29 November 2013 15: 57
            -1
            Quote: Setrac
            But you demand respect for yourself, crawl back to your cave.

            Where's that? where do I demand respect for myself ?! Do you understand that I do not really care for your respect? Learn to respect yourself, but don’t worry about me.
  • Muadipus
    Muadipus 29 November 2013 06: 29
    +4
    They bring more benefits to Russia than to their homeland ...
    they benefit only corrupt officials, tax-paying businessmen, and their relatives in their homeland.
    Due to the migrant workers industry, for many years now we have been unable to get away from black and gray salaries.
  • Victor-M
    Victor-M 29 November 2013 08: 59
    +3
    Quote: morpex
    And you did not ask yourself the question why do you have so many guest workers? Why do not you indigenous people take up the work that they do?

    You better ask yourself, in what quality will you, if you succeed, work under the EU, probably with the same janitors, builders, or do you think that you have a place to be prepared as managers, bank employees or workers at some solid enterprise? We are all for them, people of the second and third grades, so do not flatter yourself, do not engage in shattering the country, otherwise you will get a situation like in Libya and Syria.
    1. morpex
      morpex 29 November 2013 12: 33
      +1
      [quote = Victor-M] [quote = morpex] And you did not ask yourself the question why do you have so many guest workers? Why do you, the indigenous people not take up the work that they do? [/ Quote]
      You better ask yourself, in what quality will you, if it works out, work under the EU, probably with the same janitors, builders, or do you think you have a place for you as managers, bank employees or workers in some kind of solid enterprise? We are all for them, people of the second and third grades, so do not flatter yourself, do not shake the country, otherwise you will get a situation like in Libya and Syria. [/ Quote
      You know, I am not afraid of either the CU or the EU. And I think that we do not need to "join" anywhere. I wrote a hundred times that we need to raise the country ourselves. And if we are led into some kind of "union", then be sure we will not be lost. to any work during the "independence" The survival instinct is at the highest level! In our village, alkanauts, idlers and parasites, almost all have gone to another world. Natural selection, you know. And you don't need to scare us with Syria. Sorry, but you have a situation in this regard, it is much worse .. I am for a strong union in the face of Russia and a stable .. But you still smolder the Caucasus, the situation in big cities with migrants is tense to the limit, and you know, for you it’s getting dumb. you scare me with some sort of Syria ...
  • IS-80
    IS-80 29 November 2013 10: 24
    +4
    Quote: morpex
    They bring more benefits to Russia than to their homeland ...


    They do not benefit either their homeland or Russia, they benefit the money-hungry capitalists and corrupt officials.
  • Simon
    Simon 29 November 2013 14: 36
    0
    And you watch our news more. Guest workers have long begun to reduce.
  • Tiamat2702
    Tiamat2702 3 December 2013 16: 28
    +1
    Yes, I thought .... and would go to the janitors and masons. I even like it more than sitting all day at the computer in the office raking up gigabytes of analytical information. The question is salary. And I won’t get a good salary as a janitor, since the Gaster occupied this segment of the labor market and are ready to work for less. So I have to hang around in the office and implement various systems .....
  • bbss
    bbss 18 February 2014 21: 52
    0
    Uh, honey! We are already not very local and take. If a janitor from Gaster can pay half-three times less ?! We must be sick on the head to take from the local.
  • Gooch v. 2
    Gooch v. 2 29 November 2013 04: 52
    +2
    Quote: IGS
    Take off the orange glasses. But one and a half million Ukrainians working in Russia, and five million living on the money they sent, noticed. This is what part of the population do not tell me?

    I work on rail transport, we have summer work on the road, the same team goes to Siberia every year from Ukraine, the most difficult and dirty work - changing sleepers (for those who don’t know, 15 pieces a day). So they earn more than we locals, they work for six months and go to their Ukraine for the winter, and there they are booing for the money you earned here, when you personally come here and change 15 sleepers a day for six months, tell me about orange glasses.
    1. IGS
      IGS 29 November 2013 05: 46
      +5
      What are you talking about now? Do you like their hard work or don’t like the fact that they get more than the local ones and are chic? Do you like that Ukraine wants to join the EU or not? What did you dislike about the orange glasses? Are you one of those who go to Bolotnaya and stand on the Maidan? I will not believe then that you saw sleepers somewhere except the station. Be clear so that there is no misunderstanding. And, by the way, about Siberia and sleepers are not worth it, I myself live there and plow and no less than yours.
      1. Gooch v. 2
        Gooch v. 2 29 November 2013 05: 55
        +2
        Quote: IGS
        What are you talking about now? Are you for joining Ukraine to the CU, and that they go to us for work, or against? And then from your somehow it is not clear. And about Siberia and sleepers are not worth it, I myself live there most of the time, and I plow no less than yours.

        I am for the Ukrainians to decide when and where to join. let them hold a referendum in the presence of independent observers and decide what’s what.
        1. IGS
          IGS 29 November 2013 06: 32
          +2
          Someone interferes with them, someone advocates measures to prevent them from making a free choice? Me not. What is the point of your comments then? Explain yourself.
          1. Gooch v. 2
            Gooch v. 2 29 November 2013 06: 35
            -1
            Quote: IGS
            Someone interferes with them, someone advocates measures to prevent them from making a free choice? Me not. What is the point of your comments then? Explain yourself.

            The Kremlin dictates its conditions, turn on the TV, there Vladimir Putin has repeatedly said about this, that Russia is looking for its interests there.
            1. IGS
              IGS 29 November 2013 06: 57
              +4
              From Siberia, say ... Lay the sleepers ... On rubble or gravel, or with sand? I read your past comments, what photos you choose and upload, similar can be found in any nation, but you pour mud bucks on your country and those with whom you live. To whom it is interesting to look. Do you want: a suitcase, on the sleepers and forward on the sleepers, on the sleepers to whom you sing along? And you, my dear, are doing the time here 10 a.m. Or stack the sleepers with a laptop?
              1. Gooch v. 2
                Gooch v. 2 29 November 2013 08: 40
                -1
                Quote: IGS
                From Siberia, say ... Lay the sleepers ... On rubble or gravel, or with sand?

                On the rubble, if interested, come see)

                I read your past comments, what photos you choose and upload, similar can be found in any nation, but you pour mud into your country and those with whom you live.

                I pour dirt on bydlo. And I’ll pour it, I don’t live with bydl, and I have nothing to do with people of this kind (in the photo). As for the people, it’s you in vain, for example, as for the nation of Dagestanis, I haven’t seen my compatriots like that in the same way, just like Azerbaijanis, Ingush, and so on.

                Do you want: a suitcase, on the sleepers and forward on the sleepers, on the sleepers to whom you sing along?

                I live in an ethnic republic, and I was born here, and my father gave his youth and life to build the road I work on and the city I live in, not to let some comrade drive me out of here.

                And you, my dear, are doing the time here 10 a.m. Or stack the sleepers with a laptop?

                I came from the shift, you see what’s the matter, now it’s winter, and summer travel work ended at the beginning of November, if you don’t know, then in winter you will not change the railroad tie, because it is physically impossible, so think a little before speaking.
              2. IGS
                IGS 29 November 2013 09: 04
                +4
                Dagestan did not see this? Give a link? Relatives drink worse than Russians, try to quietly, but not always out.
                For example, I am a Dagestani nation, I haven’t seen my compatriots in this form yet
                Are you talking about compatriots? Your compatriots, my dear, are all Russians. Do you think otherwise? Well, I can't offer you a separate state of Dagestan. But I can offer to go to Dagestan to live and work, at the same time teach work to my fellow countrymen. Otherwise, Dagestan is the most economically disadvantaged region, sitting on the neck of a "cattle", as you call it. Oh, my dear man, you shouldn't give a damn about the well from which you drink ... Because of people like you, interethnic conflicts occur, they are dear, they occur at the everyday level, not because of nationalists, so you are probably a worker good, and correct, probably, but still rotten? Don't you like Russians? People like you are used to being afraid of you, but in vain they are afraid ... Well, I and those that you called "cattle" are one whole. I have a good man, a Dagestani, a doctor ... And you ... you have a jackal nature .. Get out.
              3. Gooch v. 2
                Gooch v. 2 29 November 2013 09: 35
                +2
                Quote: IGS
                Dagestan did not see this? Give a link? Relatives drink worse than Russians, try to quietly, but not always out.

                Yes, give at least 10 links, there will be no sense from this) from your link, Uncle Vasya from a neighboring house will not drop a bottle of moonshine and will not grab a shovel.

                Are you talking about compatriots? Your compatriots, my dear, are all Russians. Do you think otherwise? Well, I cannot offer you a separate state of Dagestan. But I can offer to go to Dagestan to live and work, at the same time teach work to my fellow countrymen. Otherwise, Dagestan is the most economically disadvantaged region, sitting on the neck of a "cattle", as you call it.

                And I do not deny that my compatriots are Russians, just such compatriots as in the photo that I brought, I saw on a genital organ.

                Withdraw troops from there, I’ll go.
                According to 2012 data, the Republic of Dagestan is at 76th place in terms of unemployment, which amounted to 11.68%, while the national average was 5.46%.
                budget subsidies are 70%, of these 70% a third remain in Moscow, half are stolen by local officials, and only in the best case, 1/5 of them reach their destination. (where monstrous corruption there is always blood, explosions, extremism). And the leadership is appointed from above, the guys from the Kremlin, in general, they set themselves up, and they themselves are surprised that this mess is going on. By the way, subsidy for 1 child in Dagestan is 95 rubles.
                About "teach the work of your fellow countrymen", google the "Network Stroy" office on the Internet, 60% of the workers are Dagestanis, by the way, they work on my site, they are laying a high-voltage contact network, two teams, no Russian.
                About cattle and how Dagi sit on someone's neck.
                Dagdiesel Plant (Kaspiysk)
                Plant named after Magomed Hajiyev (Makhachkala)
                Kizlyar Electromechanical Plant (Kizlyar)
                Aircraft Unit (Makhachkala)
                Separator Plant (Makhachkala)
                Bearing Plant (Dagestan Lights)
                DagZETO (Izberbash city) [6]
                Caspian Precision Mechanics Plant (Kaspiysk)
                Grinding Machine Plant (Derbent)
                NGO "Azimut" (Makhachkala)
                Research Institute "Wave" (Derbent)
                Radio plant them. P.S. Pleshakova (Izberbash city)
                Dagelektroapparat (p. Komsomolsky)
                Dagelektroavtomat (Novy Sulak)
                Dagfos
                Fiberglass
                Dagsteklo (city of Dagestan Lights)
                Caspian sheet glass plant (n. Tyube, under construction)

                Because of people like you, interethnic conflicts occur, they are dear, at the everyday level they occur, not because of nationalists, so you, probably, are a good worker, and correct, probably, but still rotten? Don't you like Russians? People like you are used to being afraid of you, but in vain they are afraid ... Well, I and those that you called "cattle" are one whole. I have a good man, a Dagestan, a doctor ... And you ... you have a jackal nature .. Get out.

                No, I don't have the strength to ignite the nat. conflict, while conversations like "come in large numbers, chyurks" initially fly in my direction (although I was born here, I don't dance lezginka in red macas, I don't wrestle, I don't get to the bottom of passers-by on the street) but this does not prevent Russians from reproaching me for my origin ... Notice you called yourself cattle yourself, and I did not mention the entire Russian people as cattle, but an integral significant part.
              4. IS-80
                IS-80 29 November 2013 09: 50
                +4
                Quote: Gooch v.2
                Yes, give at least 10 links, there will be no sense from this) from your link, Uncle Vasya from a neighboring house will not drop a bottle of moonshine and will not grab a shovel.


                Do not get caught, like the Dagestan.

                Quote: Gooch v.2
                And the leadership is appointed from above, guys from the Kremlin


                I want to cry already, but in the past elections, what percentage was for United Russia in Dagestan, do not remind me?

                Quote: Gooch v.2
                No, I don't have the strength to ignite the nat. conflict, while conversations like "come in large numbers, chyurks" initially fly in my direction (although I was born here, I don't dance lezginka in red macas, I don't wrestle, I don't get to the bottom of passers-by on the street) but this does not prevent the Russians from reproaching me for my origin ...


                Well, but you didn’t find anything better than to be offended by all the Russians. For no matter how you say the opposite in the posts it penetrates.
              5. Gooch v. 2
                Gooch v. 2 29 November 2013 09: 57
                -1
                I want to cry already, but in the past elections, what percentage was for United Russia in Dagestan, do not remind me?

                Yes, you at least put on your pants, if you pray at the CEC led by Churov, then there’s nothing to talk about with you, you have to imitate an active polit. the position of the inhabitants of Sev. Caucasus, 146% draw, paper suffers.

                Well, but you didn’t find anything better than to be offended by all the Russians. For no matter how you say the opposite in the posts it penetrates.

                Just stating the facts from personal observations, in what place did they see the grudge? The conceptual apparatus works in a peculiar way for you
              6. IS-80
                IS-80 29 November 2013 10: 52
                +3
                Quote: Gooch v.2
                Just stating the facts from personal observations, in what place did they see the grudge? The conceptual apparatus works in a peculiar way for you


                In some strange way, your observations are tilted to one side. This is with your mighty "conceptual apparatus".
              7. Gooch v. 2
                Gooch v. 2 29 November 2013 10: 55
                -2
                Quote: IS-80
                In some strange way, your observations are tilted to one side. This is with your mighty "conceptual apparatus".

                my observations, go smoothly, infa completely.)
        2. IGS
          IGS 29 November 2013 10: 15
          +3
          Well who are you? Head of the site? You yourself cannot sleep.

          They stick together, help each other, pull out, slip,
          install. They are ABLE to do things and do.
          Here, you know, I read and wonder at you.

          By the way, they’re working on my site, they are laying a high-voltage contact network, two brigades, not a single Russian.
          "Stroy Electro Grid?" Are you proud that there is more than one Russian? Have you smeared it?
          This can be made upright.

          No, I don’t have enough strength to kindle nat. conflict
          Do not be discouraged, you are putting a feasible burden.

          half steal local officials
          Yeah ... it’s not always for each other ... but they don’t drink.

          Note the cattle you called yourself yourself, and I did not mention the entire Russian people as cattle, but an integral part
          Yes, I realized ... that "" - "an integral and significant part"

          I don’t get to passers-by on the street
          So, you know how your fellow countrymen differ ... But this is not an act of "cattle" but of highly moral and oppressed people.
          Yes, you wrote a lot entertained, thanks.
        3. Gooch v. 2
          Gooch v. 2 29 November 2013 10: 23
          0
          Well who are you? Head of the site? No, you yourself are not good at sleepers.

          Not yet matured to such a rank. If necessary, in the summer we change, and I changed, everything is in order, I do not complain

          "Stroy Electro Grid?" Are you proud that there is more than one Russian? Have you smeared it?
          This can be made upright.

          They would have googled at least before the disgrace the Moscow office, they had done the objects for the Sochi Olympics, now they have sent them to us. Perhaps the Russians were burning with such a great desire to work that as a result, they didn’t get a single one. Keep the accusations with you, I’m a technologist, my task is to monitor the current contents of the path, and they are electricians, do you feel the difference? Pathway and Power Supply Part? I’m not a big boss to grease something, if a Russian works well, even an African or papua is a new Guinean.
        4. IGS
          IGS 29 November 2013 11: 30
          +2
          You can google it ...
          And yet your nature climbs out of all the cracks ..
          if a Russian works well, at least an African will take it, at least papua is a New Guinean
          I didn’t know that Siberia belongs to Africans or Papua New Guinea, I exaggerate this ... And what with the "integral and significant" part to take ... decide to give him a job or not ... even in Siberia ... interesting thinking .. but makes it clear why some of your fellow countrymen kept slaves.
          146% draw, paper endures
          It’s not Russians who draw either Tatars or Ukrainians, your countrymen draw. Do you know why they draw? Here you are far from home, and this infection sits in you, I remind you again
          they are
          install. They are ABLE to do things and do.
          CASES do not grease, do business grease.
          Withdraw the troops ... uh ... not yet. To take our children as slaves again? And then again pouring blood? Yes, and you will not leave ... admit, you are afraid of your fellow countrymen ... and again on us who have a "significant and integral part" is ... you bring down. I mentioned Azerbaijanis, Ingush ... why not Armenians? b .. too?
          You know, and I can guess why they don't like you, even though you don't wear red macaques. I will answer you to "if the Russian works well", If a person is good and does not hold a stone in his bosom, he will be accepted and loved everywhere. And your uploading of such photos is not worthy of a man, so the market of a tradeswoman in a seed row, as well as "grease".
        5. Gooch v. 2
          Gooch v. 2 29 November 2013 12: 06
          -1
          Quote: IGS
          It’s not Russians who draw either Tatars or Ukrainians, your countrymen draw. Do you know why they draw? Here you are far from home, and this infection sits in you, I remind you again

          Well, yes, they paint, and the Russians hawala it and dutifully give subsidies from their pockets for the construction of the next "Heart of Chechnya".

          Yes, and you will not leave ... admit, you are afraid of your fellow countrymen ... and again on us who have a "significant and integral part" is ... you bring down. I mentioned Azerbaijanis, Ingush ... why not Armenians? b .. too?

          I'm not blaming you. I am simply stating a fact. I have no business with the Armenians, no matter how they are, the nations listed from the lantern, with those with whom I have contact.

          And your uploading of such photos is not worthy of a man, so the market of a tradeswoman in a seed row, as well as "grease".

          Humiliated truth, makes you laugh? It would be foolish if I wrote about what I did not know.
      2. IS-80
        IS-80 29 November 2013 11: 38
        +1
        Quote: Gooch v.2
        They would have googled at least before the disgrace the Moscow office, they had done the objects for the Sochi Olympics, now they have sent them to us. Perhaps the Russians were burning with such a great desire to work that as a result, they didn’t get a single one. Keep the accusations with you, I’m a technologist, my task is to monitor the current contents of the path, and they are electricians, do you feel the difference? Pathway and Power Supply Part? I’m not a big boss to grease something, if a Russian works well, even an African or papua is a new Guinean.


        And here it is not necessary to mix national shades. Current tenders and tenders are something very phantasmagoric. When the Dagestanis go to work in Siberia, the Siberians in the Non-Black Earth region, and the Buryats in Dagestan.
      3. Gooch v. 2
        Gooch v. 2 29 November 2013 12: 07
        0
        Quote: IS-80
        And here it is not necessary to mix national shades. Current tenders and tenders are something very phantasmagoric. When the Dagestanis go to work in Siberia, the Siberians in the Non-Black Earth region, and the Buryats in Dagestan.

        again you are from extreme to extreme, who wants to work then goes and works, even to hell with horns
      4. IS-80
        IS-80 29 November 2013 13: 02
        +1
        Quote: Gooch v.2
        again you are from extreme to extreme, who wants to work then goes and works, even to hell with horns


        What did you mean by that? I personally say what I know.
        What didn’t suit you here?
  • Setrac
    Setrac 29 November 2013 13: 13
    +4
    Quote: Gooch v.2
    Keep the accusations with you, I am a technologist, my task is to monitor the current content of the path

    Technologist damn it, and sang songs about changing sleepers! But I'm a traveler, and I meet such technologists on the way. Technologist - work for women, easy work, we have technologists - girls.
  • Gooch v. 2
    Gooch v. 2 29 November 2013 15: 06
    -1
    Quote: Setrac
    Technologist damn it, and sang songs about changing sleepers! But I'm a traveler, and I meet such technologists on the way. Technologist - work for women, easy work, we have technologists - girls.

    you are in the inverter, and I in the PMS are such smug uncles who consider ballasting to be titanic labor, and I don’t stretch them for 15 minutes on the sewing or laying, I change the sleepers, because nobody took the 4th discharge of the MP from me, besides this for the technologist I answer. In addition to working with the brigade.
  • mechanic driver
    mechanic driver 29 November 2013 14: 50
    +4
    Here, such a question and answer will not be accepted, there was a case and not one was taken only of one nationality, preferably relatives of fellow countrymen, but if they took Russians, the salary was half as much, and this is a fact. As soon as your brother becomes the boss. Tries to crowd out all the strangers and recruit Zemdyachkov. Especially. Where to eat.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 29 November 2013 16: 05
    0
    Quote: mechanic driver
    There is no such question and answer, there was a case and not one was taken only of one nationality, preferably relatives of fellow countrymen, but if they took Russians, the salary was half that

    ALL are taken to the installers of the way, the main thing is that it goes through health, does not die on rails lol , but for some reason this "everyone" is in no hurry to find a job in this way.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 29 November 2013 13: 06
    +1
    Quote: Gooch v.2
    For example, I am a Dagestani nation, I haven’t seen my compatriots in this form yet

    I saw, but saw adequate
    Quote: Gooch v.2
    I came from the shift, you see what’s the matter, now it’s winter, and summer traveling work

    Apparently such a term as snow fighting is not known to you?
  • Gooch v. 2
    Gooch v. 2 29 November 2013 15: 08
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    Apparently such a term as snow fighting is not known to you?

    come to us, tell us about how you change the sleeper in the winter, the rustlers are rustling, snow fighting - purely cleaning the joint venture and the Isostykov. You will not find idiots here to break ice into the mix with crushed stone at mine 35.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 29 November 2013 16: 07
    +1
    Quote: Gooch v.2
    come to us, tell us about how you change the sleepers in the winter

    I note that I did not say anything about changing sleepers in the winter; you did not find it more than to prick me.
  • Gooch v. 2
    Gooch v. 2 29 November 2013 16: 10
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    I note that I did not say anything about changing sleepers in the winter; you did not find it more than to prick me.

    Then where does summer travel work, the change of sleepers and snowfighting have to do with it? :))
  • Egoza
    Egoza 29 November 2013 09: 54
    +4
    Quote: Gooch v.2
    Kremlin dictates its terms

    Doesn't the EU dictate? And the legislation does not require changing "for the EU"? Have you read the economic requirements of the EU? By the way, since you are talking about sleepers ... The EU demands that in Ukraine ALL railway tracks should be shifted to the European standard! Our track is wider, as it was built under the USSR, theirs is narrower. So how much money do you need to put into the road? At whose expense?
    1. Gooch v. 2
      Gooch v. 2 29 November 2013 10: 00
      -1
      Quote: Egoza
      C requires that Ukraine shift ALL railways under the European standard! Our track is wider, as it was built during the USSR, they already have it. So how much money does it take to drive on the road? At whose expense?

      The countries of the Baltic states, Finland, Ireland, Spain and Portugal did not prevent the gauge from joining the EU
  • Setrac
    Setrac 29 November 2013 13: 04
    +1
    Quote: Gooch v.2
    The Kremlin dictates its conditions, turn on the TV, there Vladimir Putin has repeatedly said about this, that Russia is looking for its interests there.

    How does the Kremlin dictate? Kremlin to Ukraine not a foot.
  • Gooch v. 2
    Gooch v. 2 29 November 2013 10: 11
    0
    Quote: IGS
    And, by the way, about Siberia and sleepers are not worth it, I myself live there and plow and no less than yours.

    We are apparently living in different Siberia. I would advise you to express yourself more clearly before freezing stupid things. I do not change the sleepers, this is not my responsibility. And about the sleepers, you blundered fluidly. Do you have a two-way movement, we have a one-way movement, Fershtein?

    By the way, the guy in the video, from Dnepropetrovsk. Now the foreman in the Ukrainian brigade.

    What are you talking about now? Do you like their hard work or don’t like the fact that they get more than the local ones and are chic?

    I respect any work, if it were my will, I would pay them even more, because I know what kind of hellish work it is. I get paid a little less than they, but my working conditions are simpler and cleaner, and they need to pay two or even three times more than we local.
    1. oldstaryi
      oldstaryi 30 November 2013 21: 20
      0
      http://cdn.trinixy.ru/pics4/20101216/moscow_01.jpg

      And these are valiant Caucasians!
  • Setrac
    Setrac 29 November 2013 13: 01
    +2
    Quote: Gooch v.2
    I work on rail transport, we have summer work on the road, the same team goes to Siberia every year from Ukraine, the most difficult and dirty work - changing sleepers (for those who don’t know, 15 pieces a day).

    Lied already. Four sleepers per person per shift and change of sleepers is not the hardest work, for example, there are clipping splashes. If you are a railroad worker, then you are not a traveler, do not bend your fingers here.
    1. Gooch v. 2
      Gooch v. 2 29 November 2013 15: 09
      -2
      Quote: Setrac
      Lied already. Four sleepers per person per shift and change of sleepers is not the hardest work, for example, there are clipping splashes. If you are a railroad worker, then you are not a traveler, do not bend your fingers here.

      Do not compare the inverter with the PMS, it is heaven and earth. And do not fill in about the norms, here they change by 15, with a norm of 12. I changed more, received more money
  • Simon
    Simon 29 November 2013 14: 32
    +1
    I am very sorry that you are not so far-sighted. Europe needs you only as a buffer from Russia, as an economically developed country is not needed, so it will not invest money in your economy. Bulgaria has already passed, so what’s there - the whole economy is destroyed and entails miserable coexistence. The same thing awaits you.
    1. wzxeckfw
      wzxeckfw 29 November 2013 19: 51
      -5
      It is worth lowering the price of gas and oil as it was before the collapse of the USSR, then Russia itself will go with outstretched hands. You’ll eat rockets and Kalashnikovs for dessert. Why did you stick to Ukraine like a bath sheet. Where did it cross you. USSR they fed half the world , but they couldn’t feed their own people. And again put this record
      1. Orik
        Orik 29 November 2013 20: 03
        +2
        Here the Akim already explained everything.
        Our person is always bad, if another is good.

        Envy in silence that we have gas. In Belarus there is not even your metallurgy, coal, land, etc., but the standard of living is higher ...
      2. Rattenfanger
        Rattenfanger 30 November 2013 21: 26
        0
        Quote: wzxeckfw
        It is worth lowering the price of gas and oil as it was before the collapse of the USSR

        For pin_do_sov and saudi’s, the navel will be untied again to crank this trick. Just do not pull.
      3. Vladimir 100
        Vladimir 100 11 February 2014 02: 10
        0
        Do you want to become half the world and feed you again?
  • Eugeniy_369
    Eugeniy_369 29 November 2013 23: 33
    +2
    Quote: Walker1975
    God, Wasserman is a great political and economic expert. I would rather call impotent those who bring the opinion of such experts into a serious discussion. Why don't Druz or Potashov comment on the National Military Doctrine of the Russian Federation, and Burda does not comment on the state of Russia's industrial potential?

    If the pluses and minuses, titles were removed .... I think the dialogue between users would be cleaner and more honest. Ukraine is nowhere closer to Russia. We are not comfortable without you, and you are not so happy without us ...
  • builder74
    builder74 30 November 2013 19: 05
    0
    Can you essentially object to A. Wasserman? That is, can you justify that such and such sectors of the Ukrainian economy will greatly develop from the elimination of customs barriers? That's just the barriers will be removed for import!
  • bwo
    bwo 1 December 2013 20: 20
    0
    You appreciated everything correctly. The maximum that you need to apply Wasserman is a walking guide to solving crosswords.
  • Sirocco
    Sirocco 5 December 2013 03: 13
    +1
    Quote: Walker1975
    God, Wasserman is a great political and economic expert.

    Do you probably think that this "" Holy Trinity "Experts? This three is not the name of the people on themselves tried on, and trying to appear to the whole world as the Gods of Ukraine. Only these blasphemers have an ass in the mud. As they say about such, Face is painted, but the bottom is not washed. Smells bad from them.
  • wzxeckfw
    wzxeckfw 29 November 2013 19: 42
    -5
    Yes, Wasserman, you don’t know Ukraine, and you think too short-sightedly. I didn’t think you were like that.
  • Sewer
    Sewer 28 November 2013 15: 59
    16
    Better back to Russia!
  • Gluxar_
    Gluxar_ 28 November 2013 16: 50
    39
    Quote: makst83
    To our great regret, Ukraine, during its 22 years of "nEzalEzhnosti", has proved its failure as a state! Therefore ... a quick death is better than death without end!

    I have a dual feeling from the events of November 21. On the one hand, the refusal to sign the association is a geopolitical victory for Russia, on the other hand, Ukraine is again sitting on two chairs. I think that if Ukraine signed the association agreement and broke off economic relations with Russia, then the collapse of the Ukrainian economy would come quickly enough. Moreover, a real collapse with the shutdown of heating and energy supply,
    stopping enterprises and crowds of discontented. In such circumstances, it would be quite possible for a truly Russian-style policy to come to power, a refusal of association, and the signing of an agreement to join the CU / EU. Then a weaker Ukrainian economy would be easier digested by Russian business and better integrated into the common economic space. There would not be such serious resistance from the oligarchic circles as it is today.
    Although in such a scenario there is a risk that a broken economy will occupy European business and then the path back will be more thorny.
    My general opinion regarding Ukraine and the passivity of the people in matters of their future is that Ukraine did not survive such a severe crisis as Russia in the 90s and did not receive its "war of collapse", as we had in the North Caucasus. Therefore, the population is very passive about the future, is still waiting for freebies and hopes that only for their beautiful eyes they will be brought to heaven. The position is very wrong. Therefore, a serious collapse of the economy and social institutions can have a sobering effect on the population and it will begin to fight for its future.
    1. Ruswolf
      Ruswolf 28 November 2013 17: 28
      +7
      makst83
      To our great regret, Ukraine, during its 22 years of "nEzalEzhnosti", has proved its failure as a state! Therefore ... a quick death is better than death without end!

      Insolvency as a state is quite natural. Ukraine has no roots. Her entire history is inextricably linked with the history of the Russian state since ancient times.
      Who for example remembers the emperor of all Ukraine ?!

      alex13-61
      It all depends on the speed at which the industry collapses. As our "guarantor" gave out on TV yesterday: "margin" of NEMA strength ...

      Unfortunately, Ukraine lives according to the classics - "... The master will come to us, the master will judge us ....". But when the bars arrive (from the Russian Federation or the EU or the USA) they begin to recall their independence, a thousand-year history and so on. At the same time, having forgotten that all of their non-dependence is based on dependence from outside - from the east, raw materials from Europe are money and technology.

      Mitek
      Let's hope that we will once again be a single country! To spite everything!

      Sewer
      Better back to Russia!


      Better not!
      The moment when it was possible to return back - lost forever!
      If you hypothetically imagine such an association today - it would look like this - Thousands of Ukrainians will rush to Russia to earn money. Russia will not be able to provide everyone with the places and desired wages. The result of such migration will be the growth of crime. Ukrainian crime will begin to disperse throughout Russia, redistribution and lawlessness will again go. And a lot of citizens not in demand by employers will also contribute to this.

      There is only one way out - Unification on the principle of good neighborly relations.
      1. Alexei
        Alexei 28 November 2013 17: 50
        11
        Quote: Ruswolf
        If you hypothetically imagine such an association today - it would look like this - Thousands of Ukrainians will rush to Russia to earn money.

        Yes? And I was stupid thinking that commodity circulation, their agricultural production would grow. and industry will receive orders, thereby providing jobs ... I naively thought that there would be a common sky, frequent joint exercises ...
        Quote: Ruswolf
        There is only one way out - Unification on the principle of good neighborly relations.

        What other relationship? Need to work in conjunction. Of course there will be blunders at the beginning (and where without them), but you need to think a little ahead.
      2. Walker1975
        Walker1975 28 November 2013 19: 06
        -9
        Quote: Ruswolf
        Insolvency as a state is quite natural. Ukraine has no roots. Her entire history is inextricably linked with the history of the Russian state since ancient times.
        Who for example remembers the emperor of all Ukraine ?!


        Yes ... And who remembers the emperor of Italy? Of course, Italy has no roots, unlike Germany, which bore the proud name of the Holy Roman Empire.
        1. luka095
          luka095 28 November 2013 19: 26
          +8
          And there was no emperor of Italy. There was once a Roman empire, but this is not the same thing. Both Germany and the Holy Roman Empire are completely different state entities.
          Although, on the other hand, Ukraine and Russia have the same roots.
        2. avg
          avg 28 November 2013 22: 25
          +4
          Yes ... And who remembers the emperor of Italy? Of course, Italy has no roots, unlike Germany, which bore the proud name of the Holy Roman Empire.

          Some kind of perpendicular historical parallels. Yes, unfortunately today is the whole of Ukraine.
      3. Maverick78
        Maverick78 29 November 2013 03: 48
        +8
        "There is only one way out - Unification on the principle of good neighborly relations."
        Golden words, Yuri Venediktovich)) Just something is imperceptible, so that someone from our top and your elite needed it.
        Believe me, the overwhelming majority of Ukrainians want to live and work at home. I have the opportunity to go to work in Russia, but I don’t want to. There is an opportunity to go to live in the USA - I don't want to. And I do not want to go to the Maidan) The only "Maidan" in which I would gladly participate is when all this fucking Caudle (both the authorities and the opposition) will be hung on lamp posts.
        And I'm not waiting for the master. And therefore, it makes no sense to unite with CURRENT Russia, because in addition to our "masters" your "bars" will also come, and "Bolivar can't stand two" You hope you don't believe that VVP really wants to do good to ordinary citizens of Ukraine? He has a lot of work to do with his citizens.
        And the EU does not just climb here, the "boxer" said everything correctly, they need land, resources, which, although not so much as in Russia, are IMHO more than in England. And, perhaps, the first few years, while there is something to sell, there will be some improvement, but then, after all, J.P.A.
        Now in Ukraine, the division of supporters and opponents of European integration is about 50-50. Moreover, out of 50 "Europeans" at least 25-30 are the result of constant trade and political turmoil with Russia. So under normal relations, I think the question of "association with the EU" would not have been raised at the state level at all.
        1. Oberst_71
          Oberst_71 29 November 2013 07: 17
          +1
          so the top is not necessary. there half of the Jews are sitting and the Jews are driven. what a Ukraine! we’ll better put the minor in Moscow.
        2. IS-80
          IS-80 29 November 2013 09: 34
          +6
          Quote: Maverick78
          And therefore, it makes no sense to unite with CURRENT Russia


          And when is it? When will the full paragraph come again? When all industries will finally fall apart and die out and go to distant distances, most of Little Russia? When will good neighbors climb to annex territories? Then you will end up playing in the independence and peculiarity in comparison with the inhabitants of that part of Russia which is now called the Russian Federation and remember that you are not mythical Ukrainians, as well as we are Russia? Maybe then you will understand that the division of a single people and a single country into three parts is our common pain and tragedy, and this separation does not bring anything good from century to century.
          1. Maverick78
            Maverick78 29 November 2013 12: 29
            +2
            Well, you don't understand that you, like us, are Russia. You are great Russia, and we are unreasonable Little Russians who do not understand that their fate to be part of great Russia is the leitmotif of a large number of local "commentators"
            If you live with your brother in the same stairwell, will you remove the doors and put out the walls? After all, you are brothers.
            With the exception of a small number of "especially gifted" people, no one considers himself exceptional, this is the prerogative of another nation.
            The separation of the people is bad. But are you sure that for your tops, Ukrainians and Belarusians are equal to Russians? I strongly doubt it.
            1. IS-80
              IS-80 29 November 2013 13: 29
              +2
              Quote: Maverick78
              Well, you don't understand that you, like us, are Russia. You are great Russia, and we are unreasonable Little Russians who do not understand that their fate to be part of great Russia is the leitmotif of a large number of local "commentators"


              This is the view from your side that I see almost constantly. Even very often from those who are on the idea of ​​a customs union and association either positively, or at least not sharply negatively. We all did a great stupid thing that brought the country to such a state. There are all kinds of commentators on our part, but I don’t see what you are talking about sharply concentrated, many are angry and unrestrained in the comments simply because the collapse of the whole country has brought a lot of grief and misfortune to many. Reason is eclipsed by feelings. Many people, like you, who hate me, don’t know much, propaganda works with a bang in favor of the current so-called elites.


              Quote: Maverick78
              The separation of the people is bad. But are you sure that for your tops, Ukrainians and Belarusians are equal to Russians? I strongly doubt it.


              Frankly, I don’t believe that for the majority of Russian, Belorussian, Ukrainian elites we are all equal to them, this is without division into Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians. And the card of nationalism is played by everyone who is stronger, like in Ukraine, who is weaker in Russia and Belarus.
              1. Maverick78
                Maverick78 29 November 2013 19: 42
                +1
                Well, the normal answer. You can if you want)))
                Everything is clear about the internal behavior of the elites, ours are robbing us, yours of you. The problem here is that joining the CU under current conditions is almost the same as joining the EU. In one case, the gay European oligarchs will crush everything for themselves, in the other case yours. If, on the part of Russia, interesting conditions have been really proposed (for example, interesting JOINT business projects with pre-agreed obligations and rights), then why do not we know about this?
                We know all the goodies about the conditions for joining the EU (we try not to talk about the minuses, although it’s enough to listen to the Europeans themselves to make it a little clearer), about the conditions for joining the Customs Union, only general phrases about the preservation of jobs, and no specifics.
                1. IS-80
                  IS-80 29 November 2013 23: 13
                  0
                  Quote: Maverick78
                  Well, the normal answer. You can if you want)))
                  Everything is clear about the internal behavior of the elites, ours are robbing us, yours of you. The problem here is that joining the CU under current conditions is almost the same as joining the EU. In one case, the gay European oligarchs will crush everything for themselves, in the other case yours.


                  The situation is just like before the Pereyaslav Rada. smile
    2. mirag2
      mirag2 28 November 2013 18: 42
      +3
      Yes, it is impossible for Yanukovych to say that he is vomiting with the desire to join the EU (even if he decided so) - the floor of the country will become very excited, the power is too weak.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 28 November 2013 19: 43
        10
        Quote: mirag2
        the country’s ol will become very excited, too weak there is power.

        It does not turn on, but it turns on!
        If the Association Agreement is not signed with the European Union, an attempt to overthrow the government by force is possible, said one of the organizers of the Euromaid social activist Egor Sobolev, reports LIGABіznesіnform.
        “There are two scenarios. The first one that everyone likes is to go and kick him out of his office on Bankovaya and from Mezhigorye. Enough for this people. There is a lot of human energy. But such a scenario means sacrifice. Yesterday we had a meeting of the organizers of Euromaidan, we discussed this option, it is a big question. In order to do this, you need abilities and a lot of equipment - to lead a large street crowd, ”Sobolev said. When asked by the journalist which scenario is nevertheless more likely - peaceful Euromaidan in Ukraine or military action, Sobolev replied: "I have no right to say that."
        According to him, in order to seize power, hundreds of thousands of people and hundreds of qualified organizers are needed, but so far it is not known how many people will come to Euromaidan during the Vilnius Summit on November 28-29. Sobolev is also sure that it will be almost impossible to avoid skirmishes with the Golden Eagle, which will undoubtedly defend the government.
        However, according to the activist, there is a second scenario - to spread Euromaidan throughout Ukraine.
        “This also means the creation of common expert socio-political groups that will conduct dialogue with European politicians and control the actions of the authorities in the field of justice, self-government and so on. And, obviously, these are campaign tours around the country with explanations of what happened and what to do next, ”Sobolev said.
        http://news2000.com.ua/news/sobytija/v-ukraine/240132

        Well, here’s a peaceful rally for which they took permission !!!! am Instead of working, they will travel around the country and campaign! am
        1. Motors1991
          Motors1991 28 November 2013 21: 47
          17
          Do you believe in all this nonsense? Who is there on those Maidan? Students, these are jerks who have only come off from their mother’s titeks. They don’t know anything, they don’t know anything, but they’re climbing a revolution. Who will follow them? In general, Yanukovych’s current behavior reminds me children's film ,, Morozko ,,. Remember there Baba Yaga stamps his feet and shouts to the hut on chicken legs ,, Hut, hut! Turn to the forest in front, to Ivan’s backside, Ivan stomps his foot and shouts ,, Hut, hut! Turn to I’ve come across (a guy of a normal orientation turned out to be), back to the forest,. The poor hut was spinning, spinning, and crashed to the ground. So we have Yanukovych who is the one who stomps him the most and turns. This is the whole politics. opposition, here Wasserman is right, we do not have any opposition, there are people who have appropriated this title.
          1. ramzes1776
            ramzes1776 28 November 2013 23: 54
            +4
            Quote: Motors1991
            In general, the current behavior of Yanukovych reminds me of a children's film ,, Morozko ,,. Remember there Baba Yaga stamps his feet and shouts to the hut on chicken legs ,, Hut, hut! Turn to the forest in front, to Ivan’s backside, Ivan stamps his foot and screams ,, Hut, hut! Turn to me in front (the guy was of a normal orientation), back to the forest,, The poor hut was spinning, spinning and crashed to the ground. So we have Yanukovych who is the one who stomps him the most and turns. Here and all politics.

            5 points good +
          2. Vasek
            Vasek 29 November 2013 00: 55
            +4
            Quote: Motors1991
            ,, Hut, hut! Turn to the forest in front, back to Ivan ,,


            And bend a little! laughing
          3. Vasek
            Vasek 29 November 2013 02: 01
            +2
            In Soviet times, the army ate one Ukrainian collective farm per day,


            In the Soviet Army, the percentage of Ukrainian soldiers was much higher than the percentage of Ukrainian citizens throughout the USSR!
    3. Oboz
      Oboz 28 November 2013 20: 24
      +2
      For such "seditious" speeches, they minus me! +
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  • Dilshat
    Dilshat 28 November 2013 18: 13
    +1
    how to understand it - "quick death"? The death of the state and the death of its citizens do not happen separately.
  • Bober
    Bober 28 November 2013 18: 25
    +9
    Unfortunately, people are so arranged that they do not want to realize the fallacy of actions in the middle of the action itself. The path you need to go to the end. You need to fall to the very bottom to really feel it. Only after this a sober reasoning will begin in the heads.
    Unfortunately, part of the population will be irretrievably lost, because even having reached the bottom, this part will still strive somewhere for the manna from heaven, which does not exist outside. These people will simply disappear somewhere in the middle of the road in search of a better place in the sun. The rigidity of this sun will burn them in the middle of the path, because outside they will always be nothing. They get tired of the fact that the light at the end of the tunnel does not get brighter. It is sad, but it is thought that the sobriety of thought will come not even to the generation of today's 20-year-olds, but to their children.
    All this saddens me, it saddens me very much, for even conversations with educated people who, according to the hierarchy of their lives. Must have a broad outlook, confirm the opposite. Templates, quotes manuals Thinking was not fashionable. It is fashionable to quickly own a pile of information without real understanding.
    There is such a phrase: people think that they change their beliefs over time. No, they change the error.
  • fedorovith
    fedorovith 28 November 2013 18: 37
    +4
    22 years of throwing, crying about the extermination of the people, everyone ate. And they see if they died out, they give their results. But it seems that not all brains were rebuilt to ............
  • wow
    wow 1 December 2013 19: 19
    0
    I absolutely agree with you!
  • Val_y
    Val_y 2 December 2013 16: 51
    0
    What about people? Where are they going? All suicide, huh? Or have you, as a keyboard strategist, already decided, for them, which is better, and ?? Or are people to blame for having been born in Odessa, Kharkov, Lugansk, Nikolaev, Sevastopol, etc., and with the collapse of the USSR, they found themselves in a country hostile to the Slavs, and what should our children do to leave? Where? Will you accept them? And in what status? Oh, whistles are not bags to carry.
  • Mace
    Mace 3 December 2013 17: 49
    -2
    this death will affect our people - the Slavs living there. Therefore, I would not want the death of the people. But a state like this should not be Ukrainian. Like it or not, our territories will return to their fold.
  • chuchupaka
    chuchupaka 4 December 2013 15: 46
    0
    Well, yes, long wait! Rather, a jigit from Dagestan will become the president of Russia than Ukraine will lose independence !!!
  • wvg
    wvg 6 December 2013 17: 38
    0
    what does "quick death" mean? In agony, a part of this country can do a lot of trouble - last time Stalin prevented this ... And who will prevent this time?
  • sviyash
    sviyash 16 December 2013 00: 50
    0
    There can be no other opinion to live in a world of endless socialist values ​​with references to Russian propaganda. It is necessary to tear ... from a comfortable chair and at least talk with some of the eyewitnesses, and even better to see ... And I’m Max T 83 times, I assure the itch will be completely different in another place. Although your age is inherent to consider yourself big and meaningful. Over time will pass ...
  • g20054
    g20054 31 March 2014 08: 58
    0
    UKRAINE! Thank God that you have RUSSIA at your side! Otherwise, the possible scenario of Belgrade, you would have been guaranteed !!! And you wouldn’t need loans, everyone would be pissed off, and the reason would be found !! And so Europe "loves" you very much, and the United States "adores". FUNNY !!! Why do you think ????
  • AVV
    AVV 28 November 2013 13: 58
    18
    But the people from the death of Ukraine will not be well and all resuscitation activities will drag on for more than a decade, and Europe and America are certainly more profitable to dance on the bones of an independent !!! This makes the process of resuscitation difficult! And Russia, Belarus, and Kazakhstan will have to be reanimated! But the patient with manic obstinacy is resisting !!! But this is his business in the end, so it’s better for him !!!
    1. makst83
      makst83 28 November 2013 14: 57
      15
      Quote: AVV
      But the people from the death of Ukraine will not be well

      Duck we will take the people to ourselves, I don’t think that he will be against and will live as before! I really want to live in peace and harmony and see how the toad Bzezhinsky bends from what he saw!)
    2. seller trucks
      seller trucks 28 November 2013 17: 50
      +4
      Quote: AVV
      from the death of Ukraine will not be good


      Yeah how to say

  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 28 November 2013 15: 04
    51
    This has happened more than once ... The quintessence of this is the words of Taras Bulba, which are appropriate to address the Svidomo: "Well ... did the Poles help you?"
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 28 November 2013 15: 27
    +6
    "Partners" continue to go crazy.
    EU Commissioner assured Ukraine: this is not a choice between Russia and the EU, the proposal is still valid
    "The European Union (EU) is not asking Ukraine to abandon trade with Russia," says EU Development Commissioner Stefan Fule.
    "It's just not a choice between Russia and the European Union. Nobody is asking to abandon the agreement on traditional trade with Russia. It is completely normal practice when companies produce goods for different markets," Fule said on Thursday in Vilnius at the Eastern Partnership business forum.
    He claims that, for example, the automotive industry produces different cars in accordance with different market requirements, reports ru.DELFI.lt with reference to BNS.
    Fule noted that the decision of the Ukrainian authorities disappointed its citizens, and the country lost the opportunity to demonstrate to foreign investors that it was ready for modernization.
    “This is a disappointment not only for the EU, we believe that for the people of Ukraine as well. The signing of the most ambitious treaty that the EU has ever offered to a partner country would send a clear signal to investors around the world (…) that Ukraine is serious about the issue own modernization ", - said the representative of the European Commission.
    He assured that the EU is ready to sign an agreement if Ukraine is ready.
    "The offer is still in force. The Association Agreement will be ready for signing as soon as Ukraine is ready," Füle said.
    According to him, the agreement with the EU countries will bring great economic benefits to partner countries.
    "The agreement on associative membership of the new generation (...) will bring enormous economic benefits to every state," Füle says. "- http://rus.delfi.ee/daily/estonia/komissar-es-zaveril-ukrainu-eto-ne- vybor-mezhd
    u-rossiej-i-es-predlozhenie-vse-esche-v-sile.d? id = 67341826
    1. Gunsmith
      Gunsmith 28 November 2013 16: 44
      13
      "The agreement on associative membership of a new generation (...) will bring tremendous economic benefits to every state," Füle says. "To each state, who exactly? What is so special that Ukraine produces that would not be in Europe? Well, ... outside competition - sunflower seeds? Cheap goods (consumer goods, food? ..) need to buy something else. Estonian border villages spin well on the difference in food prices - shuttles make up to 5 crossings a day. They carry 5 kg from Russia sugar, cigarettes, vegetable oil. In Europe, everything is many times more expensive. I don’t want to draw any conclusions - everything has already been said on the forum ..
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 28 November 2013 17: 36
        +4
        Quote: Gunsmith
        Estonian border villages rotate well on the difference in food prices - shuttles make up to 5 transitions per day. They carry 5 kg of sugar, cigarettes, and vegetable oil from Russia. In Europe, everything is many times more expensive. I don’t want to make any conclusions - everything has already been said on the forum ..

        There are no border villages in Estonia. 5 transitions, if only empty-handed. The Estonian side has introduced very stringent restrictions on the passage to its territory. So do not make up. hi
      2. Maverick78
        Maverick78 29 November 2013 03: 55
        +2
        In Poland, cheaper than in Ukraine. Surprisingly, a fact)
  • JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 28 November 2013 15: 31
    +9
    Of course, I am talking about the reunification of Ukraine with Russia exclusively in the legal sense of the word, through a referendum, and I am not calling for any illegal actions.

    I wonder what he was thinking about. Without calling. wink
    1. catapractic
      catapractic 28 November 2013 16: 55
      13
      so far, and then how to get it, only without Lviv let the benders last ... without salt they eat up and cabins
  • Panikovsky
    Panikovsky 28 November 2013 15: 31
    13
    but I like this pearl, we’ll live badly, but not for long.
    1. catapractic
      catapractic 28 November 2013 16: 57
      10
      unforgettable Gaidar-quote that he rolled over in his grave smile
  • Desert Fox
    Desert Fox 28 November 2013 15: 34
    +2
    Sorry, but quickly and at the same time painful is how?
    1. Poppy
      Poppy 28 November 2013 15: 42
      +6
      it means not suffering for long
    2. Spnsr
      Spnsr 28 November 2013 17: 01
      +1
      Well, it's not that long, but very painful)))
  • Stiletto
    Stiletto 28 November 2013 15: 37
    20
    Quote: Peaceful military
    "Well ... did the Poles help you?"


    +++ !!! I just wanted to write: "Well, son, did your Poles help you?" Yes, just look - there is already there ...
    Thank you!
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 28 November 2013 15: 45
      10
      Quote: Stiletto
      Quote: Peaceful military
      "Well ... did the Poles help you?"


      +++ !!! I just wanted to write: "Well, son, did your Poles help you?" Yes, just look - there is already there ...
      Thank you!
      soldier good
    2. xan
      xan 28 November 2013 20: 37
      +9
      Quote: Stiletto
      +++ !!! I just wanted to write: "Well, son, did your Poles help you?" Yes, just look - there is already there ...
      Thank you!

      As the ancients say - "Whoever throws a pebble into the past will receive a pebble from the future." For a long time, Ukrainians have been throwing stones at their common past. Looks like starting to get cobblestones.
  • illarion
    illarion 28 November 2013 15: 46
    +5
    It is surprising that the guys took the bills in their hands just before the signing. They counted, wept, and refused (but not quite, like, temporarily). And now we have to pay for the bookkeepers? Somewhere it was said that VEB was losing 260 billion rubles at the Olympics. This is about 60 billion euros. And Nenka is asking for the same. I’d better send my money to VEB.
    1. andranick
      andranick 28 November 2013 16: 20
      +9
      Quote: illarion
      It is surprising that the guys took the scores in their hands just before the signing.

      Oh, how not sure about this.
      I think everything was calculated a long time ago, and the “unexpected” demarches of the Ukrainian authorities are unexpected only for ordinary people. At the upper level, all moves were probably known in advance with varying probability, as in chess. In my opinion, it would be more appropriate to speak of Ukraine's planned accession to the EU as an instrument-probe of pressure on Russia, whether it bends or not. Moreover, this instrument is far from in the hands of the Ukrainian authorities. Would bend - the pressure would start from all sides.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 28 November 2013 18: 36
        +4
        Quote: andranick
        I think everything was calculated a long time ago, and the “unexpected” demarches of the Ukrainian authorities are unexpected only for ordinary people.

        Yes! We knew! But ... NOBODY LEARNED THE CHARACTER OF VFYA! I had a friend who worked with him even before he became president. And when the fuss of the EU-TS had just begun, and I was furiously indignant "how they do not understand what is needed in the TS", he said "calm down. He just does not like being pressured. He will resist - that's all" (just then he started attack on Onishchenko). Then Putin said like: "We showed you how it will be - decide for yourself." Here the European Commissioners were delighted and began to PRESS! Moreover, to release Tymoshenko, and to change the laws, and la-la, and la-la ... It was here that the VFYa turned 180 degrees. TRANSFERRED! And although he has already indicated that "in 2015 ... we will already start ..." It remains to be seen who will be president. Or maybe the situation will change in the same EU. Or maybe they will really raise the standard of living and people will simply say "why do we need that Europe"? Wait and see!
        1. xan
          xan 28 November 2013 21: 04
          +5
          Quote: Egoza
          Or maybe they will really raise the standard of living and people will simply say "why do we need that Europe"? Wait and see!

          This option is from the realm of fiction.
          1. Maverick78
            Maverick78 29 November 2013 13: 19
            +3
            Here, science fiction is just that our leaders do not want to do this. There are still more reserves for raising living standards in Ukraine than in Poland. They just go to luxury cars, yachts, gold toilets and villas in Courchevel.
    2. ATATA
      ATATA 28 November 2013 16: 41
      +6
      Quote: illarion
      .This is about 60 billion euros

      Not 60, but 6, but still the amount is not small.
      And in Ukraine ...
      Better a terrible end than horror without end.
    3. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 28 November 2013 17: 00
      +5
      Quote: illarion
      I am amazed that the guys took the bills in their hands just before the signing. They counted, wept, refused (but not quite, like, temporarily). And now we have to pay for the bookkeepers? Somewhere it was said that VEB was losing 260 billion rubles at the Olympics. This is about 60 billion euros. And Nenka is asking for the same. I’d better send my money to VEB.

      260 billion rubles is 5.7 billion euros. However, I have not heard such numbers anywhere. This is the total amount of the program in facilities for community members, and businessmen are asking for help to reduce lending conditions, some 7 billion rubles.
      As for the calculations, they were still a long time ago, just not much exaggerated to the public. Ukraine bargained with both the EU and Russia, who will give more. But this time, Ukraine lost and could not sit on two chairs at once, as a result, there are no agreements with Russia yet, and the EU is very offended by Ukraine.
  • Bigriver
    Bigriver 28 November 2013 15: 54
    +8
    Apparently the phrase may apply to states and peoples:
    If God wants to punish someone, he takes away his mind ... The ability to reason, ponder, make conclusions.
    What is happening in Ukraine with its people defies any logic.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 28 November 2013 18: 39
      +8
      Quote: BigRiver
      The ability to reason, ponder, make conclusions.
      What is happening in Ukraine with its people defies any logic.

      Zero Education + propaganda did the trick! Nothing to be surprised!
    2. xan
      xan 28 November 2013 21: 08
      +3
      Quote: BigRiver
      What is happening in Ukraine with its people defies any logic.

      There is logic, and it is explainable by experts.
      But this logic is definitely not state and anti-people.
      1. Maverick78
        Maverick78 29 November 2013 04: 12
        +3
        Probably the first time I agree with you)
        What is happening in Ukraine now is roughly what happened to Russia under the EBN adjusted for local specifics.
        There are no pro-Ukrainian politicians (or camouflage very well), there are either pro-Russian or pro-Western. Hence all the problems.
        More pro-Western more, well, that’s understandable. Money, villas and children are there. Nobody wants to lose it.
        The common people are tired of ALL politicians worse than a bitter radish. If a clause is introduced into the electoral legislation that if the column "against all" wins the majority of votes, then all those participating in the elections will sit on bunks - the entire Ukrainian politicians would sit in the first round.
        That's how we live.
        1. IS-80
          IS-80 29 November 2013 13: 37
          +2
          Quote: Maverick78
          There are no pro-Ukrainian politicians (or camouflage very well), there are either pro-Russian or pro-Western. Hence all the problems.


          Frankly, what for the first and second and third. We would have pro-populated politicians.
          1. Maverick78
            Maverick78 29 November 2013 19: 45
            0
            Well, if in general terms, then pro-Russian politicians are good for the people of Russia, pro-Ukrainian ones for Ukraine, and if they still don’t bite each other, it’s good for all of us)
            1. IS-80
              IS-80 29 November 2013 22: 48
              +1
              Quote: Maverick78
              Well, if in general terms, then pro-Russian politicians are good for the people of Russia, pro-Ukrainian ones for Ukraine, and if they still don’t bite each other, it’s good for all of us)


              Do you offer the same rake that we have stepped on so many times? What for? To step on them again? No pro-Ukrainian and pro-Russian politicians are needed. We need precisely pronounced people.
  • grafrozow
    grafrozow 28 November 2013 16: 05
    +2
    Americans are dying, but the dollar 32 84 when they die?
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man 28 November 2013 18: 39
      +4
      Quote: grafrozow
      Americans are dying, but the dollar 32 84 when they die?

      This course is artificial, you will refuse to import, the habit of keeping a stash in a stocking and it will immediately fall twice
    2. Orik
      Orik 28 November 2013 18: 40
      0
      The crisis is coming temperature the dollar is growing ... wink
    3. morpex
      morpex 29 November 2013 00: 07
      +2
      Quote: grafrozow
      Americans are dying, but the dollar 32 84 when they die?

      Yes, and the West will not "rot" All our adult life they have been drummed into us about the "decaying West" and it is still rotting. And those in power keep their babos there, teach their children there, rest and get treatment. And for some reason they do not stink from rot .. And they continue to drum into us about the imminent end, about gays, about other nonsense ... And we all swallow and cry - "THE WEST IS ROTTING!
      The question is, who benefits from this? We don’t. We are plebs. We are shaking everything .. So to whom?
      1. bwo
        bwo 1 December 2013 20: 38
        0
        Yes, he rots, rots. But how it smells !!!
        (joke of the 60s).
  • alexng
    alexng 28 November 2013 16: 21
    11
    Oh, Wasserman! Your words would be, yes ears of God!
  • individual
    individual 28 November 2013 16: 31
    +7
    Part of Ukraine has not yet been full of independence.
    And if economic unity with Russia causes so much protest, then you need to understand how many more trials and hardships are necessary for the Ukrainian people to understand that Ukraine without Russia is doomed to be the backyards of Poland.
    The territory of Ukraine will always be used by NATO as an outpost of the "VOSTOK" - "WEST" confrontation.
    The Polish-Lithuanian lobby intervenes in the internal affairs of Ukraine with startling arrogance.
    Only Russia is capable of protecting the national interests and economy of fraternal Ukraine, and the sooner the elite of Kiev understands this, the sooner the denouement will come in the confrontation of the "east-west" model within the Ukrainian people.
    1. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 28 November 2013 17: 11
      10
      Quote: individ
      Part of Ukraine has not yet been full of independence.

      These oppositionists are not part of Ukraine, but a professionally created "protest mood". Look at those who go to the Maidan. Who is it ? Organized in social networks "creative Ukrainians" and people of free creative professions. They do not care in which passages to play or take pictures on the streets. For them, the EU is the only chance for success in life. They are not able to go to work in the real economy, therefore they do not care at all whether the country's economy collapses, the main thing for them is to get the right to enter the EU or fish in troubled waters when the country plunges into chaos.
      Now, if several factories stopped and their employees went out on the march, I would have thought that the people of Ukraine are already irreversibly sick with "zapadnstvo", but I have never seen such performances.
      On the other hand, it surprises me that most of the population is very passive and will not come out and break the horns of this "creative class".
    2. xan
      xan 28 November 2013 21: 21
      +2
      Quote: individ
      Only Russia is capable of protecting the national interests and economy of fraternal Ukraine, and the sooner the elite of Kiev understands this, the sooner the denouement will come in the confrontation of the "east-west" model within the Ukrainian people.

      The Kiev elite, for the most part, will always be anti-Russian for a simple reason - with the union, the Moscow elite will decide everything for obvious reasons, but this is a downgrade, a change of concepts, a restructuring of bureaucratic chains. The Kiev elite already has everything, and buying it is stupid. She needs to be offered something that she cannot refuse, or put in conditions when unification with Russia will be the lesser of evils. That's when ordinary Ukrainians begin to chase cops, bureaucrats and politicians, then it will be possible to offer the elite something, or rather, it can simply be reformatted.
      IMHO of course
    3. Maverick78
      Maverick78 29 November 2013 04: 25
      +2
      And what do we know about "economic unity" with Russia?
      Is Russia able to defend the national interests and economy of Ukraine? Did VVP personally tell you this? It seems to me that your oligarchs who come to "protect" will least of all think about "the national interests and economy of Ukraine"
      Dad really wants good relations with Russia, but there are always some problems with the GTS and "interesting" enterprises. In Ukraine it will be even worse, because we don't even have a daddy. Here is the "elite" of Kiev and understands that the EU will at least pay them for Ukraine, and your oligarchs are the same as ours, only there are much more opportunities .... they can simply take away.
      Here is a parsley. And for ordinary people, in general, the choice is gorgeous - to change one freak out for another, here are some who run from despair on the Maidan)))
      1. Orik
        Orik 29 November 2013 08: 42
        +3
        The choice is not great, either our w.rody or their pi .... sy. And in any case, the people will not be sweet.
  • AIR-ZNAK
    AIR-ZNAK 28 November 2013 16: 33
    +7
    Dollar 33, and according to news reports that they are commanding Ukrainian politics from the territory of the Zaokantsev embassy. And openly, before the eyes of the SBU, they are hiring (buying) demonstrators. What independence can Ukraine talk about?
  • makarov
    makarov 28 November 2013 16: 34
    14
    Unfortunately, the author of the material does not share the understanding of the words "Ukraine" and "people of Ukraine". Since "Ukraine" can now be safely called only a small group of people who have concentrated in their paws the main assets of the state in a dishonorable way.
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man 28 November 2013 18: 57
      +5
      Quote: makarov
      Unfortunately, the author of the material does not share the understanding of the words "Ukraine" and "people of Ukraine".


      Unfortunately, the fate of the people is inseparable from the fate of the country, and the "owners" are mainly concerned with the money, not the fate of the country, because Wasserman does not share these notions that he does not consider these hucksters to be a people. hi
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 28 November 2013 19: 20
      +2
      Quote: makarov
      Unfortunately, the author of the material does not share the understanding of the words "Ukraine" and "people of Ukraine". Since "Ukraine" can now be safely called only a small group of people who have concentrated in their paws the main assets of the state in a dishonorable way.

      Accurate remark: Allow only a small addition.
      a small group of people who concentrated in their clutches the main assets of the state dishonestly
      on both sides, and on the part of the authorities and the opposition.
      After all, it was they who called the people on the Maidan, the oligarch who lost power and pursues his mercantile interests ...
  • Mhpv
    Mhpv 28 November 2013 17: 08
    +5
    And it seems to me in a week or two that the New Year holidays will prevail over the Maidan and people will slowly begin to diverge and only the expensive ones will freeze their asses to spend earned on the treatment of throat, hemorrhoids and prostatitis laughing
    1. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 28 November 2013 17: 14
      +1
      Quote: mhpv
      And it seems to me in a week or two that the New Year holidays will prevail over the Maidan and people will slowly begin to diverge and only the expensive ones will freeze their asses to spend earned on the treatment of throat, hemorrhoids and prostatitis

      I think that after the summit in Vilnius they will already disperse. Who will pay the money when the result is no longer there?
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 29 November 2013 03: 37
        +2
        Quote: Gluxar_
        I think that after the summit in Vilnius they will already disperse. Who will pay the money when the result is no longer there?

        It's clear as God's day, money is paid not for demonstrating support for the opposition's course towards association, but latently for the "promotion" of individual "leaders" who dream of a presidential (hetman?) Chair ...
        Everyone understands that European integration has been covered, and forcing Yanukovych to turn onto this path will not work (he might have been happy in PARADISE, but he wouldn’t let sins go - the economy is BENT in agony without the Russian market), that is. on the face of an undisguised political PR with crowds of extras and staged staged protests.


        But what can all this lead to ...
    2. zub46
      zub46 28 November 2013 19: 03
      +4
      Again, the weather forecast in Kiev rains with snow. Wait a while.
  • Havoc
    Havoc 28 November 2013 17: 10
    +4
    But if we assume that in fact everything was calculated and Ukraine was not going to enter anywhere. There was another blackmail of Russia, give gas for $ 300, then we will be friends with you, you don’t even want to consider bluffing about a complete refusal of gas purchases. Plus, forgive the debt. Honestly, I doubt that all the consequences would have been calculated, but only lasted for three days.
    Particularly "touches" the mood of the Ukrainian lumpen gathered in the squares, these people really believe that after the signing of the agreement, literally the next day, they will live like the French.
  • Migari
    Migari 28 November 2013 17: 14
    +5
    Plus, the author, as always, put everything in its place, you can’t argue against common sense.
  • zloi_dekabr
    zloi_dekabr 28 November 2013 17: 23
    +7
    In my opinion, the GDP has chosen the most winning strategy for Nenko - they didn’t let the EU go, now it defaults quickly, then a crisis, a referendum, and the whole east joins Russia, and the west is forest-free (let the Poles take this crap). Something like this will be. IMHO of course.
    1. kaper
      kaper 28 November 2013 17: 52
      -8
      So, after all, some already had a default and nothing, they live. They even teach others. And at the expense of the referendum, Ukraine is not a federal country and such an option is not provided. So you and the like-like - go to the forest.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 28 November 2013 18: 43
        +9
        Quote: kaper
        .A at the expense of the referendum, Ukraine is not a federal country and this option is not provided.

        Look at the constitution! And then you’ll talk about the referendum! So, the PEOPLE will speak out at the referendum - that's how it should be. And the minority must shut their mouths and submit. They don’t want to - let them disconnect. But it will be THEIR decision, they THEY will ruin Ukraine.
        1. kaper
          kaper 29 November 2013 11: 38
          0
          Firstly, in a unitary state, referendums on territorial integrity are not held, and secondly, there is confidence that the majority will be for a split, absurdity. Even the Communists are against it. Only the fifth column. Yes, and in Chechnya there was a referendum, but according to the constitution it is possible in federal, but to sense.
      2. zub46
        zub46 28 November 2013 19: 04
        +2
        Don’t be angry. We wish you good.
  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 28 November 2013 17: 34
    +5
    that the place of Ukraine is in the Customs Union

    a smart Jew is not right, not in the TS, but as part of the Republic of Ingushetia. and let the empire put together for a long time, but we must take the first step
  • alex-s
    alex-s 28 November 2013 17: 53
    +8
    Quote: Mitek
    Let's hope that we will once again be a single country! To spite everything!

    Sooner or later it will be so. I just want it earlier and without bloodshed!
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 28 November 2013 19: 46
      +3
      Quote: alex-s
      I just want it earlier and without bloodshed!

      We also want to, only with Freedom - it is unlikely to succeed! Maybe it’s time to take measures for open calls for the overthrow of power?
      If the country's leadership does not comply with the requirements of the Euromaidan, then the protesters can become radicalized and go to a violent confrontation with the authorities in order to achieve their goal. This was stated by MP from Liberty Igor Miroshnichenko, reports the New Region.
  • EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 28 November 2013 17: 54
    +5
    Apparently, many have not yet decided what to do. Again feed the outskirts at your own expense and get a spit in the face at the end as usual with ukrov as a token of gratitude. Either separate the industrial part of the outskirts and tie it to the Russian economy but relying on its own strength and, of course, without pretensions to darmovshchinka, as the cunning Little Russians are used to.
    1. kaper
      kaper 28 November 2013 18: 11
      -19 qualifying.
      You probably write your nonsense with the sandpit, there is no other explanation. Especially for feeding, for free, with gas of 500, while the rest of 300.
      1. Orik
        Orik 28 November 2013 19: 04
        +8
        Well, what are you lying, even if mathematically rounding then 400 ignoramus.
        1. xan
          xan 28 November 2013 21: 33
          +2
          Quote: Orik
          Well, what are you lying, even if mathematically rounding then 400 ignoramus.

          do not need so Svidomo face in the mud, his template is not the same, this is not there.
          on the site and so Svidomo few
          1. Cherdak
            Cherdak 28 November 2013 22: 55
            +4
            Quote: xan
            do not need so Svidomo face in the mud, his template is not the same


            Template one - the dream of becoming an assistant to the Polish plumber. Euroreysky givno smells of perfume
        2. uizik
          uizik 29 November 2013 00: 13
          +4
          This impudent minority has a complete lie! They seized like a bitch of fleas and quote! It has already appeared that at 20 years old they can neither read nor write. But they love maidan!
        3. kaper
          kaper 29 November 2013 11: 40
          -3
          Add another $ 100, discount on the Kharkov agreements. So who is lying and ignoramus?
          1. Orik
            Orik 29 November 2013 19: 58
            0
            So you are unhappy with the number 425, you need to throw a hundred? laughing You see your Yulka and Vitka, who went to the west, signed 500, Yanek came here with a discount, and if you join the TS, it will be like Belarusians 165, like your own. What else are you dissatisfied with? We do not have to "brotherly" pay for interests alien to us. You just decide where and with whom. All the freebies are over, no one else will give anything for beautiful eyes.
      2. EdwardTich68
        EdwardTich68 28 November 2013 19: 15
        +3
        Sorry, if you didn’t like the price of gas, you shouldn't have signed a contract.
        Well, if you choose all thieves as rulers, you should know that every nation deserves such a government, which it has. Nobody twisted your princess’s hand with a pretzel, they could have bought gas in Norway, since they are so rich. smile
        1. kaper
          kaper 29 November 2013 11: 42
          0
          You’re leaving, because you wrote right away that everything is free for Ukraine.
      3. 31231
        31231 28 November 2013 21: 25
        +1
        gas for 500, while the rest for 300.

        Miserable, you would have familiarized yourself with the gas issue, and then blurted out. Do you know where the joke came from "gas by writing"? Well, take an interest, and don't talk about what you don't know.
  • kaper
    kaper 28 November 2013 18: 01
    -14 qualifying.
    "" Looking at today's Ukraine, I understand that it will die quickly and painfully "" - how many years these forecasts have been living, some forecasters have already been in the next world. And, Ukraine, as a state, on the contrary, is strengthening and this process is irreversible. Yes and the population is beginning to see where it should go. Every year there are more and more people willing to join the EU, NATO. And the worsening economic situation under the current government, which promised "improvement already today," and fool people, will only add supporters of the same European integration.
    1. xan
      xan 28 November 2013 21: 40
      +2
      Quote: kaper
      And, Ukraine, as a state, on the contrary is strengthening and this process is irreversible.

      Yes, of course! Ukrainians have broken through per capita GDP of Honduras. True, Somalia is still far away.
      Quote: kaper
      And the population is beginning to see where to go.

      And don’t tell me, Wasserman is completely confused, and Yanukovych is bullshit, he says that in the economy of safety margin is NEMA.
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 29 November 2013 04: 03
      +1
      Quote: kaper
      And the deterioration of the economic situation under the current government, which promised "improvement today," and fool people, this will only add supporters of the same European integration.

      The power, or rather Yanukovych in her person, PROMISED "ABANDONED" during the presidential election race, and he was not the only one who promised. All candidates for the post "tried."

      But these are politicians, but you specifically HOW could you get along with such a mess ???

      Didn't they see that the structure of the Ukrainian economy and its "state of confusion" would not allow in any way to realize the promised ...
      And the prolated association of Ukraine will naturally not help, open your eyes and be realistic.
  • sincman
    sincman 28 November 2013 18: 02
    15
    A very adequate commentary on integration was provided by N. Starikov.
    1. kaper
      kaper 28 November 2013 18: 08
      -20 qualifying.
      You are all adequate, who are against Ukraine.
      1. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 28 November 2013 20: 05
        13
        And who is against Ukraine here? What harm can a suicide attempt to prevent his suicide?
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 29 November 2013 04: 29
          +3
          Quote: lewerlin53rus
          And who is against Ukraine here? What harm can a suicide attempt to prevent his suicide?

          A man living in the private sector went out on a warm summer evening to smoke on the porch of his house. He did not have time to light a cigarette when he heard some strange noise and fuss in the backyard of his yard.
          The first thing that came to his mind - THIEFS !!! "Armed" with whatever came to hand, "rushed into battle" and STUNNED ... some generally unknown bloke threw a rope over the tree and RUNNED IN HIS YARD !!!.
          Well, well, the guy is not timid, he grabbed the gallows by the legs, called his grown-up son for help, and took the "frame" out of the loop ALIVE.
          They gave him a little curse, they themselves calmed down a bit ... And they gave the gallows a warning ***, yes, specifically.

          And the moral in this comment in TOM,what "Hurt"wrote a statement against them to the police fellow
      2. Yuri Y.
        Yuri Y. 28 November 2013 20: 21
        +5
        I have not seen a single one against Ukraine, all for their own Ukraine. Everything on this site is mostly against yours. At the end of the video, Starikov asks to "think", it is difficult for me to understand in the conditions of modern Ukraine ..
  • VladimS
    VladimS 28 November 2013 18: 02
    -6
    Just passed info.
    The act of association of Ukraine and the EEC is signed, unfortunately.
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 28 November 2013 18: 06
      +1
      Quote: VladimS
      Act of Association of Ukraine and the EEC signed

      Well ... after how long will the Ukrainians overthrow their rulers? how long will these rulers hold out on European lies and tolerance?
    2. kaper
      kaper 28 November 2013 18: 08
      -10 qualifying.
      Unfortunately, not signed.
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 28 November 2013 18: 10
        +7
        Quote: kaper
        Unfortunately, not signed.

        okay, tomorrow they’ll say specifically, signed or not. a day does not pass, so this topic was not
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 28 November 2013 18: 20
          +4
          the morning of the evening is wiser, I think the solution will be: both yours and ours. the affectionate calf of two mothers sucks (and the proud one is not one)
          1. andrei332809
            andrei332809 28 November 2013 18: 30
            +9
            Quote: Thunderbolt
            affectionate calf of two mothers sucks (

            healthy, Lech hi
            here, you know, what’s the matter ... Russia sucked a tit, but that’s what Europe will offer as a sucking invertor ... request
          2. Orik
            Orik 28 November 2013 19: 07
            -3
            In Russia, we have one folder and one boobs ...
      2. xan
        xan 28 November 2013 22: 31
        0
        Quote: kaper
        Unfortunately, not signed.

        I didn’t think that I would somehow agree with Svidomo.
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 28 November 2013 18: 47
      +1
      Quote: VladimS
      Ukraine and the EEC signed, unfortunately.

      Today, it seems, they should not sign any acts. They will sign tomorrow. Well, they used to say that. Today only discussions and dinner
      1. zub46
        zub46 28 November 2013 19: 12
        +2
        To promise is not to marry.
    4. Orik
      Orik 28 November 2013 19: 06
      +2
      An association agreement between Ukraine and the EU has nevertheless been signed. True, it was signed at a summit in Vilnius today not by official representatives of the European Union and Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, but by members of the public.

      Do not panic.
    5. Walker1975
      Walker1975 28 November 2013 19: 09
      +2
      Where does such unverified information come from?
    6. es.d
      es.d 28 November 2013 20: 14
      +6
      Quote: VladimS
      Just passed info.
      The act of association of Ukraine and the EEC is signed, unfortunately.

      Not Ukraine but Georgia. Not signed and initialed. And so, that's right repeat
    7. holderrr
      holderrr 28 November 2013 21: 12
      +2
      Ukraine and the European Union initialed an agreement on a single aviation space.
      The ceremony took place in Vilnius on Thursday ahead of the Eastern Partnership summit, an Ukrinform correspondent reports.
      “The agreements reached in Vilnius will allow the EU and Ukraine to become partners in the aviation field through gradual integration in this market,” said Siim Kallas, Vice President of the European Commission for Transport.
  • polly
    polly 28 November 2013 18: 07
    16
    They used to be friends because they respected and treasured each other, but now everything is calculated: because of something, against someone ... It's sad all this!
  • sapran
    sapran 28 November 2013 18: 11
    13
    1. Only a few people wrote about good neighborly relations - sadly.
    2. Democracy is the power of the majority, then it is worse to worry if here the majority believes that the population has a pro-Russian bias?
    3. What prevented until this time to establish normal interstate relations between potential allies?
    Samit will end the people will disperse themselves. The bluff of the Ukrainian government was readable, as was the Nordic calm of Vladimir Putin.
    All the same, the absence of a "statesman" at the helm of the country predetermines whether she is capable of acting or "filkin's letter" ...
  • So_o_tozh
    So_o_tozh 28 November 2013 18: 20
    10
    Since over 22 years of independence, as a result, only thieves have gathered in power, the oligarchs who don’t care about the people really have doubts and what is wrong with us? It seems that there are working people and rich and natural lands, why is there no order? No wonder it means there is a saying: Where there are 2 Ukrainians there are 3 hetman ... it turns out that without external governance we ourselves cannot be an independent and sufficient state ... I’m afraid, if we enter the Customs Union with Russia, our oligarchs will remain in power and along with them all the stinky swamp that revolves around them, why people think about Europe, but because they hope that by European standards they will start working, the courts, medicine, education and administrative power.
    1. Rattenfanger
      Rattenfanger 28 November 2013 18: 39
      +8
      Well, what will you do ... No matter how you let go for a walk nenka, so be sure - from *** boot. Though do not let out the gate.

      / G. Bobrov, "The Age of the Stillborn" /
    2. In the book
      In the book 28 November 2013 18: 48
      +1
      Quote: So_o_tozh
      I’m afraid, if you enter the CU with Russia, our oligarchs will remain in power and with them all the stinking swamp that revolves around them, why people think about Europe, but because they hope that by European standards they will start working, courts, medicine, education and administrative power.

      It seems to me even worse: in any situation, be it the CU, the EU, the oligarchs will still be in power:
      http://www.epravda.com.ua/publications/2013/11/26/405262/
      there is no shame, no conscience.
      And why do we think that either the EU or the CU will help us remove all of these countries that are snickering from the budget?
      1. Draz
        Draz 28 November 2013 22: 32
        +3
        Most likely, if you let them in the vehicle, they will parasitize on it, it is better not to and not to here. Ukraine outside the blocs is an ideal.
    3. uizik
      uizik 29 November 2013 00: 18
      +1
      They will remain with the EU! Don’t worry, they’ll only teach you freedom to love and work for 100, and not live for free!
  • serge
    serge 28 November 2013 18: 26
    16
    I know that it’s meanly wound up now on our land ... They adopt the devil knows what Busurman customs; abhor their tongue; he doesn’t want to speak with his own; he sells his own ... The mercy of another king, but not the king, but the meager mercy ... of a tycoon who ... with his whip beats them in the face, more dear to them than any brotherhood. But the last bastard, whatever he may be, even though he fell all out in soot and worship, has one, brothers, a grain of Russian feeling. And it will ever wake up ...
    (N.V. Gogol "Taras Bulba.")
    1. zub46
      zub46 28 November 2013 19: 09
      +9
      It is not for nothing that the Ukrainian brothers called N.V. Gogol a "Moscow" writer. For some reason they do not like them. Although, as a forecaster-analyst, Gogol has no price.
      1. xan
        xan 28 November 2013 22: 00
        +2
        Gogol is not Ukrainian. And Kiev Bulgakov is not Ukrainian.
        Taras Grigoryevich is Ukrainian, but if you look closely, he is more likely a Russian Ukrainian than a Ukrainian.
        In such circumstances, modern Ukrainians have no imagination or imagination.
        1. Anper
          Anper 29 November 2013 01: 38
          +3
          Fiction and fantasy in the studio. In foreign literature they read "The Overcoat" by the Russian writer N.V. Gogol, and in the Ukrainian literature read "Evening on the farm bilya Dykanka" by the same writer - Ukrainian.
          Bulgakov does not pass - he is very harsh about the nation in the White Guard.
          1. builder
            builder 29 November 2013 01: 59
            +3
            The question is not who you think of Gogol as Ukrainian or Russian, but who Gogol and his contemporaries considered himself to be.
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  • coserg 2012
    coserg 2012 28 November 2013 18: 40
    +7
    And it reminds me of an episode from the movie BROTHER ... a wounded bandit says he passed you. Answer: I know .. he’s my brother. They’ll steal pancakes and they’ll whine and have to take these tsutsiks.
    1. sapran
      sapran 28 November 2013 18: 57
      +2
      What for? Why hurt yourself and your family? Maybe all the same you will close the doors themselves, my friend, like in the Bible. Maybe only from such "extreme" people will start to think with their heads and live with their minds. And not to engage in "monkeyism".
      You don't need to accept anyone, especially "tsutsiks", otherwise they'll probably write it off a couple of times and "whine" from all the kennels ...
  • serge
    serge 28 November 2013 18: 45
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    1. catapractic
      catapractic 28 November 2013 18: 52
      +3
      bravo mon sher picture is better than any words
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 28 November 2013 18: 49
    +8
    Many may disagree with me, BUT I believe that the existence of Ukraine without Russia, as well as Russia without Ukraine, is NOT normal, it is UNNatural! Well, the BROTHER nations cannot live in different states. The capitalist filth divided us, but we must reunite in spite of the oligarchic structures of the West and our countries! They do not care, they do not have a nationality! We are SLAVES and the state should have a common, Slavic, brotherhood!
    1. catapractic
      catapractic 28 November 2013 19: 02
      +6
      You know, dear Thunderbolt, if you reject your pathetics, then I’m ready to sign for not the Slavic unity of which there has never been, because there is no unity between the Pole and the Russian, the Serb and the Croat ... I’m ready to sign for expediency because there is no such nationality, Ukrainians, but there are Little Russians i.e. the inhabitants, albeit small, but RUSSIA, and they must live with us. The attacks are called Ukrainians (that is, residents of the outskirts) if they seek to the EU, let them roll in order to live on the outskirts and curbs of European life, somewhere between the panel and the trash can be where they belong.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 28 November 2013 20: 20
        +3
        Quote: cataphractium
        The attacks are called Ukrainians (that is, residents of the outskirts) if they seek to the EU, let them roll in order to live on the outskirts and curbs of European life, somewhere between the panel and the trash can be where they belong.

        Well, what are you so stern-everything I think is not so clear-cut, and the desire of many (but not all) Ukrainians to be in the EU is dictated by various factors, including propaganda within the country, it should be borne in mind that the interests are not primarily lobbied by the people, but local princes ... well, etc. etc.
      2. Stanislas
        Stanislas 28 November 2013 20: 52
        0
        Quote: cataphractium
        The attacks are called Ukrainians (that is, residents of the outskirts) if they seek to the EU, let them roll in order to live on the outskirts and curbs of European life, somewhere between the panel and the trash can be where they belong.

        Well, if, say, the Chukchi want to integrate with the United States, will you also tell them the logic of their expediency?
  • demotivator
    demotivator 28 November 2013 18: 56
    +8
    The current Maidan in Kiev is not the same as the previous one. It is obvious that today only Kiev and Lviv residents are holding rallies today, and the residents of the rest of the square have no time for rallies. But here it should be noted that over the past six years of continuous propaganda, our neighbors (as well as ourselves) have grown up a new generation of Ukrainian youth who do not remember and do not know the heroes of the Soviet Union Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya and Alexander Matrosov, but they know loves and honors the heroes of modern Ukraine - Stepan Bandera and Yevhen Konovalets - the organizers of the anti-Russian nationalist movement "for an independent Ukraine." It is thanks to the continuous (and very expensive) brainwashing of young people (radio, television, newspapers, books) that a generation has grown up who hate Russia (and despise their parents who worked in the Donbass mine and at the Dnepropetrovsk metallurgical plant) a generation has grown up that dreams of getting EUROPEAN CITIZENSHIP and leave for Amsterdam (smoke marijuana in a coffee shop) or stand naked in the window of a s_x shop on red light district ...
    And further. One cannot but notice the provocative role of the West in this whole story with Ukraine. Tomorrow, November 29, the EU summit will begin in Lithuania, the same one at which the huge cultural mass of Little Russians from the general state heritage of Russian people in Europe was supposed to be split off. Ukraine now had to go west, for the "Curzon line", so "kindly" outlined by the Anglo-Saxons for Russia in December 1919 at the Versailles Peace Conference, where the victors in the Great War shared the winning jackpot - the torn continental Europe.

    In some ways, the current meeting in Vilnius resembles the “Munich Agreement” at the end of September 1938, when Hitlerite Germany was given the first real impetus to begin the “campaign to the East” —the Slavs, Czechoslovakia.
    We should not forget that in the end the collusion of the Anglo-Saxons and French with the Nazis from Germany and Italy led to the fact that after more than 600 days Western Europe did not become independent, and the British paid with their own blood and lives for this Munich adventure of their political leaders . At the same time, the USA, Wall Street financiers, in their distant “overseas” collected not only political dividends, but also tons of gold for the supply of arms and food to European fronts.
    1. xan
      xan 28 November 2013 22: 09
      +1
      Dear demotivator!
      Somehow I read similar thoughts about immature young people with turned values, who do not respect their parents, do not think, and who only want to have fun abroad.
      It turned out that this is a letter from a monk to the French king during the Crusades.
      But the world belongs to people of 40 years and older. If at that age brains do not appear - why do we need them?
  • Arkan
    Arkan 28 November 2013 19: 02
    +5
    There is nothing to negotiate with the current Ukrainian authorities, they are not reliable.



    NOT associated ...
  • old rocket man
    old rocket man 28 November 2013 19: 05
    +2
    Quote: So_o_tozh
    hope that by European standards, courts, medicine, education and administrative authority will begin to work.

    Yes, the main thing is not by what standards they will work, but by what standards they will think and make decisions.
  • Stinger
    Stinger 28 November 2013 19: 40
    +5
    No matter how you persuade the child not to put his fingers in the socket, he will stick it anyway. It is better to immediately poke around and see what happens. Yanukovych figured out (earlier, of course, he “had no idea” about the consequences), where he would inevitably find himself in a year later, that he was great, and he could not be bought with candy. And on the Maidan, you can practice rhetoric as much as you like. Yushchenko and the orange princess, who still cannot believe their eyes, saw well how this ends in practice.
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 28 November 2013 19: 41
    +4
    Why is the current government, to which I am sympathetic, doesn’t decide to hold a referendum on Ukraine’s joining the association? Let the people decide which way to go.
    1. sapran
      sapran 28 November 2013 19: 56
      +7
      Because the result will not be predictable. Or are you sure that the people are 100% determined with the choice? Now tell who benefits from the fire in the "middle of the bridge"? Or do you think that all statements are pure coin ?. Absolutely all countries that are around Ukraine benefit from just such a state of it --- Neither fish nor Meat .. There are no Brothers here, there are interests of states ...
  • EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 28 November 2013 20: 16
    +5
    Is Ukraine needed in its entirety? Why, for example, to Russia, the western regions of Ukraine are the obvious irreconcilable enemies of all Russian. Blind people are blinded by hatred.
    1. catapractic
      catapractic 28 November 2013 20: 23
      +1
      Bandera let them take away we do not need, zapadentsev will find a place between Arabs and Africans the so-called. refugees and Romanian gypsies, and there they will sell their ... opoy under rainbow flags, and wipe with a blocking rag
    2. builder
      builder 28 November 2013 21: 35
      0
      Quote: EdwardTich68
      Is Ukraine needed in its entirety? Why, for example, to Russia, the western regions of Ukraine are the obvious irreconcilable enemies of all Russian. Blind people are blinded by hatred.
      1. uizik
        uizik 29 November 2013 00: 23
        0
        In this situation, Ukraine will pick up even faster!
  • sapran
    sapran 28 November 2013 20: 18
    +2
    So already tried with "Ruin" ... You need something more creative, suggest.
    1. builder
      builder 28 November 2013 22: 14
      0
      More creative: To fence off with a high fence the territory that was annexed in 1939 and to drive all this Polish-Hungarian cross there. (We add all our LGBT communities on our own - they are twins by nature.) Let them be taken to - the EU.
      1. xan
        xan 28 November 2013 23: 00
        +6
        more creativity - to leave Ukraine to itself, and to come to grips with the internal arrangement of Russia, the removal of social tension, courts, corruption, the economy, etc. And Ukraine will not go anywhere, Russia is close by, and there is no escape from the land. Abroad understands very well that dozens of Russians agree to fight for Ukraine and fight, this is not Syria. And they will definitely win a point, do not go to the grandmother. On "However," I read that a Russian working in Germany asked his local colleagues if they were serious about harnessing for Ukraine against Russia. They looked at him like an idiot. In my opinion, Russia's modern image is very worthy.
        1. Maverick78
          Maverick78 29 November 2013 12: 57
          +1
          Is there a need to "harness" Ukraine against Russia? Are you planning military actions? But what about the brotherhood?)))
  • Bosk
    Bosk 28 November 2013 20: 19
    +6
    If Ukraine joins the Euro Union ... then I feel sorry for it, because I can tell from the example of Latvia - over the past ten years, about twenty-five percent of the working population has emigrated in search of a better share, the industry has been ruined, the export-import ratio is two to three ... and this is only on the example of small Latvia, in Ukraine this whole process wakes many times more!
  • Egoza
    Egoza 28 November 2013 20: 21
    +6
    Association Agreement Initiating Ceremony Georgia with the European Union took place on November 28 in Vilnius as part of the Eastern Partnership summit held there.
    Technical initiation of association agreement took place in Vilnius Moldova with the European Union.

    Well, the flag in their hands and a drum on the neck!
  • Egoza
    Egoza 28 November 2013 20: 23
    +3
    The Institute of Economics of the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine determined the amount of 160 billion euros, which is necessary for the modernization of the Ukrainian economy under the conditions of the European Union, based on the costs of the same modernization of Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary from the time they signed the association agreement until obtaining EU membership, calculated per capita.
    This is stated in the appendix to the forecast of economic effects of the signing of the Association Agreement between Ukraine and the EU for 2014, prepared by the Institute of NASU, UNIAN reports.
    According to the Institute, the total cost of four countries amounted to 149 billion euros, the population of these countries is 65 million. Thus, per capita costs are 2 euros. Given that the population of Ukraine is 290 million people, the total amount for the costs of modernizing the economy, according to the Institute’s methodology, is 45,5 billion euros.
    However, given the state of social infrastructure and the deterioration of fixed assets of Ukraine, compared with the European countries studied, the institute’s specialists decided to increase the amount needed for Ukraine by one and a half times (using a coefficient of 1,5), which ultimately yielded 156,292 billion euros (when rounding - 160 billion euros).
    For the first time, Prime Minister of Ukraine Mykola Azarov has publicly stated that for the adaptation of Ukrainian technical regulations to the requirements of the European Union, 165 billion euros are needed for 10 years. But the European Commissioner for Enlargement and the European Neighborhood Policy, Stefan Fule, called it unfounded and speculative.
    http://news2000.com.ua/news/sobytija/v-ukraine/240159

    Compare Ukraine with dwarf states! Mouth open, but a piece stuck!
  • voliador
    voliador 28 November 2013 20: 30
    +1
    Yes, the EU needs these xoxles, like a dog's fifth paw. They need a new market! And nobody will ever let them into the geyropu.
    1. xan
      xan 28 November 2013 22: 27
      +2
      Quote: voliador
      They need a new market!

      They do not need the insolvent market of Ukraine; they need to get into the Russian market through Ukraine in addition to political nishtyaks through Ukraine. But the Kremlin on a crooked goat can not go around. So they came up with an absurd demand about a maid with a steering wheel to pass back - Yanukovych does not look like a masochist and therefore we are quite predictable in this matter.
      my IMHO.
  • alex shnajder
    alex shnajder 28 November 2013 20: 54
    +5
    Not well, but so how all the races are worried will sign or not, even strange, on the Independence Square one freedom, homeless people and students .... the economy in railway station, and for a long time ....

    if only there were no war and friends from the Caucasus.
    1. Anper
      Anper 29 November 2013 01: 56
      +3
      So this is very pleasantly surprising! How many of our Ukrainians are seriously worried about Russia? They sit with their piece of bacon and spoil only.
      And right here, on the site, people take the situation to heart, swear, come up with all sorts of euphemisms, you directly feel the heat of passion!
  • saag
    saag 28 November 2013 21: 15
    +5
    Quote: voliador
    Yes, the EU needs these xoxles, like a dog's fifth paw. They need a new market!

    Yes, it is, and Russia’s buffer zone
    Quote: alex shnajder
    if only there were no war and friends from the Caucasus.

    "Friends" are already in Crimea, but of course the war would be better off
  • Boris63
    Boris63 28 November 2013 21: 16
    +3
    Europe will not give money, not now in the future. And if they wanted to give something, then only under the most severe economic "reforms". Incl. Gentlemen of Little Russians, get ready to again establish PARTNERSHIP relations with Russia, and not "bullish" - let's loot, gas, oil, and we'll see who we are to be friends with. Wasserman is right. Together we are strong, one by one zilch.
    1. xan
      xan 28 November 2013 23: 26
      +2
      Quote: Boris63
      Together we are strength, alone zilch.

      Yeah, cardinal and haberdashery is power!
      Russia itself is a force, with a right Ukraine even stronger, with a wrong one weaker, and any Ukraine without Russia is zilch.
    2. DimychDV
      DimychDV 30 November 2013 08: 31
      0
      And although it will - now or in the future - not a single euro will reach the people or the industries. They will immediately create New European bureaucratic structures and take everything away from them. And also the party "NashDom-Europe_Urryayayaya !!!" - will create.
  • Sashko07
    Sashko07 28 November 2013 21: 26
    -2
    Quote: EdwardTich68
    Apparently, many have not yet decided what to do. Again feed the outskirts at your own expense and get a spit in the face at the end as usual with ukrov as a token of gratitude. Either separate the industrial part of the outskirts and tie it to the Russian economy but relying on its own strength and, of course, without pretensions to darmovshchinka, as the cunning Little Russians are used to.

    Feed??? When was it that Russia would feed Ukraine? Rather, I will pose the question in another way - what did you feed us with birch saplaughing. In Soviet times, the army ate one Ukrainian collective farm per day, I am already silent about the rest of the Union. You are our breadwinners.
    1. xan
      xan 28 November 2013 23: 37
      +2
      Quote: Sashko07
      In Soviet times, the army ate one Ukrainian collective farm per day, I am already silent about the rest of the Union. You are our breadwinners.

      Sasha 07, the topic of those who ate all the lard (......deleted by moderator) have already discussed much more than the annoying association of Ukraine with the EU. It’s bad for you, brake.
    2. EdwardTich68
      EdwardTich68 28 November 2013 23: 46
      +4
      So where did everything go, why are you sitting in a cesspool on the nostrils? I remember how the hapaka danced in '91 What happened dear? A whole generation lived independently and what did they make?
  • Cristall
    Cristall 28 November 2013 21: 57
    +3
    How it all got .... these articles generally need to be banned.
    The reason is simple, after reading the comments, even a supporter of the TS will not believe that we are one people, that we had a common past, a possible future .... you read your comments! The impression that sometimes you write about enemies! He asked repeatedly to shove the name "Little Russians and Little Russia" into the annals of history, where it came from ... they use it, not the Ukrainian SSR at least, but in reality Ukraine (they distort and cannot write the name itself correctly)
    DO NOT get this way! Have respect, even if not so rich, albeit not always polite (ours are also good) but still to the people.
    And these articles - once again kick in the comments and hear about yourself a lot of new and not good?
    Yes, you need to unite, but with respect for each other.
    1. Akim
      Akim 28 November 2013 22: 25
      +4
      Quote: Cristall
      How it all got .... these articles generally need to be banned.

      Do not read. Yesterday I "took my soul away", that's enough for a week. It's probably like going to a mother-in-law.
      1. xan
        xan 28 November 2013 23: 19
        +4
        It’s better to ask yourself how over 22 years you could make complete Ukrainophobes from Russians who were completely normal and calmly related to Ukrainians.
        My so-called Ukrainophobia began with acquaintance with classmates-Ukrainians, who rubbed a Leningrader about the inferiority and eternal drunkenness and worthlessness of Russians in perestroika time.
        Now they are in St. Petersburg, but Russophobia is no longer there - they have matured, wiser, and it is simply stupid to talk about the superiority of Ukrainians over Russians.
        1. Maverick78
          Maverick78 29 November 2013 05: 04
          +3
          maybe you didn’t communicate with those? Woodpeckers are everywhere enough.
          And it is especially touching that Ukraine is to blame for all the troubles) We didn’t ruin the Union, we didn’t rush under tanks in Moscow and put Tsar’s Boriska to the throne, so you have more than your skeletons in the closet. Rather than look for someone who offended more than anyone, it is better to look for a way out of this shitty situation. But it doesn’t reach anyone.
      2. Cristall
        Cristall 28 November 2013 23: 54
        +4
        Yes, something has already been paired up with articles ... The same Wasserman constantly says the program However, she said, Military Secret wrote the script --- everything is being discussed smartly. As in the bazaar, people scream, interrupt each other, along the way they behave disrespectfully to neither others nor neighbors. In response, they consider themselves offended by hearing somewhere on the Internet or on TV. Soy emotions are expelled here.
        Akim why is Kars banned? I really understood that with these "amateurs" of such articles you need just such a person as Kars, even if I do not agree with him at times, even if he is completely unrestrained at times. But he really talks to them as sometimes some (not all, there are, thank God, adequate ones) deserve their statements. By the way, I did not see those who repeatedly distorted the name of the country, called the inhabitants with words that are prohibited on the forum, etc. ... Sometimes you think about that Kotobot ... although you don't want to ... go down to that level
        Uff - took my soul.
        People have respect for each other. And it doesn’t matter who is nearby — friend, neighbor, or casual person.
        1. Oleg Kharkov
          Oleg Kharkov 29 November 2013 00: 29
          0
          Selective Justice. Kars loved to troll trolls - and this requires talent and patience. And I simply ignore abusive posts in the address of Ukraine, I'm tired of it already. Yes, and it makes no sense. There are interesting articles here, but something less and less, and certainly not about Ukraine.
          1. es.d
            es.d 29 November 2013 01: 00
            +3
            Quote: Oleg Kharkov
            Kars loved to troll trolls - and this talent and patience necessary

            That's for sure. He has a half-forum blacklisted crying
          2. Cristall
            Cristall 29 November 2013 02: 38
            +4
            To paraphrase the phrase, only the Russian has the right to scold his country, and to hate the foreigner who dared to do it.
            Only a Ukrainian has the right to scold Ukraine. Something like this. Given that we are one people through the Berlin Wall, this is becoming more and more difficult every time, therefore, Russians should not expect that we will behave differently than they lol
            That is, the more we hear, the more we will be against, we will push our horn like all the Slavs, in defiance. We will act contrary to logic and common sense. tongue
            Although okay, I'm talking about emotions. There is still common sense.
            Today, an interesting case in a trolleybus an elderly man asked, pointing to another elderly man, where would I like to be in the Customs Union or in the EU where I would have replaced him (that second). What I answered is his choice.
            PS-It's a pity that Kars was banned for trolling the trolls ... I would ban those who start all this, starting with the authors of numerous "Kicking articles"
            1. builder
              builder 29 November 2013 02: 42
              +1
              Don't take it so close to your heart wink
            2. IS-80
              IS-80 29 November 2013 12: 36
              +1
              Quote: Cristall
              Given that we are one people through the Berlin Wall, this is becoming more and more difficult every time, therefore, Russians should not expect that we will behave differently than they


              We are not only one people, we are one country. Temporarily divided into parts.
        2. Corsair
          Corsair 29 November 2013 12: 38
          0
          Quote: Cristall
          Akim why is Kars banned? I really understood that with these "amateurs" of such articles you need just such a person as Kars, even if I do not agree with him at times, even if he is completely unrestrained at times. But he really talks to them as sometimes some (not all, there are, thank God, adequate ones) deserve their statements. By the way, I did not see those who repeatedly distorted the name of the country, called the inhabitants with words that are prohibited on the forum, etc.

          After reading your comment, I consider it a duty to make at least some clarity with the user's ban Kars.
          Cool - don’t twist it is banned after a hassle and skirmish with me ...
          Having exchanged "pleasantries", everyone got their own, I got the second warning (by the way I went to deliberately, aiming to replace the presumptuous "marshal"), and he BAN, whether for an unacceptable statement, or for behavior in relation to the administration of the site.
          Yes, this is not particularly interesting, Kars ran into something for which he fought. Trolling is not included in the list of graces, and is punished rather strictly ...
    2. IS-80
      IS-80 29 November 2013 10: 21
      -3
      Quote: Cristall
      He asked repeatedly to shove the name "Little Russians and Little Russia" into the annals of history, where it came from ... they use it, not the Ukrainian SSR at least, but in reality Ukraine (they distort and cannot write the name itself correctly)


      Put Ukraine and Ukrainians in the annals of history. For where these two words do not come up, there is a squabble, fantastic stories and globes of Ukraine to the utmost, dancing in embroidered shirts on the Maidan in honor of Nazi collaborators, invincible Ukrainians breastfeeding Europe from not so unique as the Ukrainians and not entirely European hordes of Russian ugrofinotars . But I respect the Little Russians, unfortunately they are becoming less and less. Well, nothing happened and I hope worse and now Russia will not disappear.
      1. IS-80
        IS-80 29 November 2013 14: 20
        +1
        Quote: IS-80
        Put Ukraine and Ukrainians in the annals of history. For where these two words do not come up, there is a squabble, fantastic stories and globes of Ukraine to the utmost, dancing in embroidered shirts on the Maidan in honor of Nazi collaborators, invincible Ukrainians breastfeeding Europe from not so unique as the Ukrainians and not entirely European hordes of Russian ugrofinotars . But I respect the Little Russians, unfortunately they are becoming less and less. Well, nothing happened and I hope worse and now Russia will not disappear.


        Perhaps comment on your comment. Kiev is the mother of cities, which ones? Ukrainian? No Russians! For me, the word Ukraine itself has recently acquired a negative connotation, because they constantly try to obscure our common history. Little Russia, in my opinion, more accurately reflects historical realities. And Little Russia is the cradle from which Great Russia rose.
  • VladimS
    VladimS 28 November 2013 22: 04
    -1
    I wonder what Navalny thinks about this
    1. Ruswolf
      Ruswolf 28 November 2013 22: 24
      +1
      VladimS
      I wonder what Navalny thinks about this


      Yes, he piled on all this!
    2. xan
      xan 28 November 2013 23: 21
      +5
      Quote: VladimS
      I wonder what Navalny thinks about this

      Bulk for this is not paid.