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Reconnaissance Without warning, US bombers entered China’s air defense zone

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Reconnaissance Without warning, US bombers entered China’s air defense zoneThe White House called Beijing’s “overly provocative” decision to create an air defense identification zone in the East China Sea, including the disputed Senkaku Islands. Shortly thereafter, the US Air Force aircraft without warning entered the zone created by Beijing. Experts predict now provocations involving military aviationduring which human casualties are possible.


Washington believes Beijing’s decision to drastically expand the air defense identification zone in the East China Sea is overly provocative, Joshua Ernes, the White House Press Secretary, said on Tuesday, ITAR-TASS reports.

On the eve, US Secretary of State John Kerry called on China to exercise caution and restraint, arguing that air traffic freedom is essential for security in the Pacific region. “We urge China not to realize its threats regarding airplanes that do not identify themselves and do not obey Beijing’s orders,” Reuters quotes the Secretary of State.

The statement of the US Secretary of Defense was by no means so mild. Some time after the Chinese statement, Chuck Hagel noted that it was "a destabilizing attempt to violate the regional status quo." “These unilateral actions increase the chance of mutual misunderstanding and miscalculations,” he warned the Chinese side.

According to Time, Hagel made it clear that if necessary, the United States could become an ally of Japan in the war to maintain control over the disputed islands. Back in early October, Hagel stated that "if these islands fall under the administrative control of Japan, they fall under our agreement with Japan." At the same time, the general tone of the message indicates that the problem may, in its severity, exceed the “Iranian threat” that was relevant until recently and lead to a large-scale war.

Paris is also worried about the situation, French Foreign Ministry spokesman Romain Nadal said Tuesday. “France is closely following the situation in the East China Sea. We are concerned about tensions in the region and urge the parties to maintain restraint, ”said Nadal.

"Pilots captured"

“The Japanese and the United States should defiantly ignore the statement of the Chinese, since they cannot accept it,” said Vasily Kashin, an expert at the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies in an interview with the VIEW newspaper, in an interview with the VIEW newspaper. Nevertheless, in his forecast, one should expect an increase in the activity of Japanese and, perhaps, American military aviation.

“Airplanes will begin to fly nearby, there will be cases of dangerous maneuvering. This will partly resemble the situation over the South China Sea in 2001, when the Chinese fighter and the American reconnaissance aircraft collided, as a result the Chinese fighter fell, the pilot died, and the American aircraft was forced to land at the Chinese air base, where the pilots were taken prisoner, long time held and released only after bilateral negotiations. This caused a very sharp diplomatic crisis, which was erased only after the events of September 11. But in general, the above scenario is possible as the most negative development of events over the Diaoyu Islands, ”the expert believes.

According to him, since March, China has begun to increase the presence of aviation and warships in the "disputed zone." Previously, the case was limited to ships of the marine monitoring service and unarmed patrol aircraft.

“The forces will increase, they will ply there, demonstratively fly out to intercept and accompany each other, this will create tension and nervousness. Someone may face someone, and there will be human casualties, this happens periodically. This happened between Soviet and NATO aircraft, when they patrolled the sea areas. The situation is fraught with a major diplomatic crisis, ”explained Kashin.

However, the military scenario, which the US Secretary of Defense hinted at, is still considered by the expert to be extremely unlikely. “I do not think that they will be ready to enter into conflict. This is clearly not in the interests of the Chinese, and they have little chance of winning. There is another point: with such threats, all civilian airlines will be forced to change their behavior. As I understand it, those who fly through this area have already agreed with the new rules. The Chinese will be limited to warnings, demonstrations and active flights, ”said Kashin.

Heavenly dispute with the Middle Kingdom

Already after Kashin commented to the VIEW newspaper, his forecast began to come true. ITAR-TASS reports that US bombers B-52 without warning entered the Beijing-created air defense identification zone. This was reported to the Wall Street Journal by US officials. According to them, the incident occurred on Monday at about 19.00 on the time of the US Eastern Coast (04.00 Moscow time). The aircraft flew from Guam and flew over the Diaoyu Islands (Senkaku).

Recall that over the weekend, the Ministry of Defense of China announced the creation of an identification zone of air defense in the East China Sea and the inclusion of airspace over the Senkaku Islands (Diaoyu), which Japan considers its own. At the same time, Beijing warned that the so-called emergency defensive measures would be applied to any object that did not pass identification when entering the controlled area.

In response, on Monday, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe announced the Japanese intention “to defend their territorial waters and airspace with all determination”, and a note was sent to the Chinese Embassy, ​​in which Beijing’s actions were called “absolutely unacceptable”. The Chinese chargé d'affaires in Tokyo, Khan Zhiqiang, dismissed a protest note, saying that "Japan has no right to make irresponsible statements."

Underwater hunting

Meanwhile, the South Korean government also announced that it does not intend to recognize the zone unilaterally imposed by Beijing. The discontent of the Koreans was caused by the fact that the Chinese zone “overlaps” with a similar region already introduced by Korea in the airspace. The controversial area is a rectangle of size 15 on 120 km.

Recall that the underwater rock of Iodo is closer to Korea than to China - 149 km from the Korean island of Marado, while to the Chinese coast 247 km. The disputed rock is located at a depth of 4-5 m, in any case, such an assessment last year was given by President of the Republic of Korea Lee Myung-bak. In 2003, a South Korean automatic seismic weather station was installed on Iodo steel structures. The rock has repeatedly been included in the bulletins News - Last year, in response to the claims of Beijing, Seoul ordered to strengthen air patrol of the water area.

According to the head of the Center for Korean Studies at the Institute of Far Eastern Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences Alexander Zhebina, the claims of both parties to this rock (which is practically invisible above sea level) from the point of view of international law do not yet seem to be justified. International maritime law does not give states the right to declare underwater cliffs their territory.

“It’s also premature to talk about mining in the area, some resources from the ocean floor, in my opinion,” Zhebin explained to the newspaper VIEW. “We are talking more about prestigious and political considerations, which, unfortunately, have acquired a higher profile in the context of more substantial territorial disputes.” These disputes, the expert reminds, are conducted even among the American allies themselves: Japan and South Korea, which, as we know, cannot divide the Dokdo Islands (which in Japan are called Takeshima).

The actions of both China and South Korea should be viewed in a wider context - in the context of what is now happening in Northeast Asia, Zhebin said. “There is a return of the United States (including the military) to the region, it is aimed primarily at deterring China, and preventing its military and political influence in the region.” China has become the largest economic partner of both South Korea and the DPRK. This situation cannot but disturb the United States, which maintains a strong military-political position in the region.

“The fact that China has expanded its air defense zone is connected precisely with these processes: the Americans create a sanitary cordon around the PRC from dependent and allied states, one of which is South Korea,” Jebin stresses.

The expert recalls that, by decision of Seoul, a base is being built on Jeju Island, which, from the point of view of left-liberal circles in South Korea itself, is directed against China. “It is not surprising that Beijing is taking reciprocal steps - and this is clearly not conducive to normalizing the situation in Northeast Asia,” Zhebin complains.
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  1. ShturmKGB
    ShturmKGB 27 November 2013 10: 01
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    The war in this region is beneficial to the Americans ... they generally benefit from any war ...
    1. APES
      APES 27 November 2013 10: 15
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      ShturmKGB
      war in this region


      the impression is that there is only one pressing question - WHEN?
      1. karal
        karal 27 November 2013 15: 22
        -2
        The Americans have completely forgotten who is the boss in that house, provocations with Russia failed, so now they have taken up the Chinese, but we must not forget that this is a game with fire and with what kind of fire!
        1. cdrt
          cdrt 27 November 2013 18: 55
          +5
          Quote: karal
          The Americans have completely forgotten who is the boss in that house, provocations with Russia failed, so now they have taken up the Chinese, but we must not forget that this is a game with fire and with what kind of fire!


          Well, in the house (or rather in the oceans), actually the Americans and the owners ...
          Moreover, they are not disputed by anyone (not even the two-state, but actually all-sovereign standard is respected by the United States quite consistently).
          Here are the Chinese - they started to show off early - at least more ships / human submarines were built at first.
          1. karal
            karal 28 November 2013 04: 10
            +1
            Here you are wrong in the bud! Americans never dominated the oceans even now, because North ice. the ocean under the supervision of Russia, as well as the World Cup and BM, most of the Pacific Ocean. And the East China Sea is the jurisdiction of Asian countries. America was neither economically nor geographically present.
            Details here: http://topwar.ru/36484-casus-belli-kitay-pokazyvaet-kto-hozyain-v-vostochno-kita

            yskom-more.html
            1. cdrt
              cdrt 28 November 2013 15: 27
              +1
              Quote: karal
              Here you are wrong in the bud! Americans never dominated the oceans even now, because North ice. the ocean under the supervision of Russia, as well as the World Cup and BM, most of the Pacific Ocean. And the East China Sea is the jurisdiction of Asian countries. America was neither economically nor geographically present.
              Details here: http://topwar.ru/36484-casus-belli-kitay-pokazyvaet-kto-hozyain-v-vostochno-kita


              yskom-more.html



              In fact, I use the definition of dominance at sea in the understanding of Colomb, Mahen - the ability to use military means to ensure the use of the sea lanes (for trade, transportation and supply of troops) and, if possible, to prohibit by military means this opportunity to use the sea lanes to the enemy.
              What's wrong?
        2. Simon
          Simon 27 November 2013 22: 42
          0
          Yes, the Americans run up! It will be difficult for Amers to fight with China, this is neither Yugoslavia nor Iraq. If they didn’t wash themselves with tears later. fool
        3. Mairos
          Mairos 28 November 2013 10: 20
          +1
          Even Japan and South Korea will tear a couple of Chinese. And if the Americans get involved ..
      2. Max_Bauder
        Max_Bauder 27 November 2013 16: 17
        +2
        Something will be oh something will be the main thing for us to not get it smile
    2. Arberes
      Arberes 27 November 2013 10: 23
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      ShturmKGB
      Americans benefit from war in this region.

      I don’t think about the war. They just showed the Chinese that not everything is so simple in this world! Is it not enough that they unilaterally decide there?
      Wiped out the Middle Kingdom!
      1. Guun
        Guun 27 November 2013 10: 45
        +4
        Quote: Arberes
        Wiped out the Middle Kingdom!

        How and when did you wipe it off? It’s just the beginning and not the end of this play, they will die when the PRC removes the air defense zone.
        1. Arberes
          Arberes 27 November 2013 10: 54
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          Quote: Guun
          will die when the PRC removes the air defense zone.

          And the Chinese will act cunningly and will not shoot and will not shoot down.

          Knock down or not knock down
          That is the question!
          So far they have
          The tip has not grown?

          Well, if you took out the barrel, shoot, otherwise it doesn’t work out seriously?
          Not solid for a power like China?

          Dear colleagues, forgive me my hooliganism, the muse of inspiration has come to me!
          Here we sit in cards, cut and write poems!
          1. Guun
            Guun 27 November 2013 11: 11
            0
            The air defense identification zone does the name itself say nothing to you? Where have the Chinese lost?
            1. Arberes
              Arberes 27 November 2013 11: 27
              +3
              Quote: Guun
              the name itself doesn’t tell you anything?

              If you clarify the nuances, I will be grateful to you. hi
              Is it recognized in the identification zone? And what can not be identified without a "zone"? How should foreign aircraft behave in this "zone"?
              Should I ask permission? If so, then this is just absurd!
              1. Gluxar_
                Gluxar_ 27 November 2013 20: 41
                +6
                Quote: Arberes
                Quote: Guun
                the name itself doesn’t tell you anything?

                If you clarify the nuances, I will be grateful to you. hi
                Is it recognized in the identification zone? And what can not be identified without a "zone"? How should foreign aircraft behave in this "zone"?
                Should I ask permission? If so, then this is just absurd!

                China did not call this zone its own and did not prohibit flights there. He simply showed that the country's air defense is more interested in this zone. This means that the missiles will be more aimed at it. This does not mean that these missiles will fly, but it does mean that they can fly. And this difference greatly affects the work of insurance companies with civil carriers. If civilian companies refuse to comply with the recommendations of Beijing, then the risks for such aircraft increase, and hence the cost of insurance. Hence the simple conclusion that most companies will report to Beijing who is flying and where. This will not affect the cost of the flight. However, China will greatly affect the status of claims to this territory. As a result, with minimal cost, China gets a significant political victory. This is a more subtle and effective policy than the stupid American muscle game.
                The United States, by its contempt for the decisions of its main trading partner, is playing against itself. The United States is not keeping pace with the rapidly changing world and political trends, continuing to play the instruments of the Cold War. Without changing, they will sooner or later lose.
                1. luka095
                  luka095 28 November 2013 01: 04
                  +1
                  Clear and understandable comment.
          2. lelikas
            lelikas 27 November 2013 12: 55
            +3
            Quote: Arberes
            Here we sit in cards, cut and write poems!

            A good start to the day :).
            1. Arberes
              Arberes 27 November 2013 13: 00
              +2
              Quote: lelikas
              A good start to the day :).

              Yes, I have already considered the end of the day. After the third shift, I come off here and feel that my strength is already running out.
              Hello dear lelikas hi
          3. alone
            alone 27 November 2013 21: 32
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            Quote: Arberes
            And the Chinese will act cunningly and will not shoot and will not shoot down.


            and who then needs this pathos statement about creating an air defense zone? China was simply shown that if they trample against Japan they will deal with America. Here and the whole point of what happened
        2. avt
          avt 27 November 2013 11: 26
          +7
          Quote: Guun
          Just the beginning and not the end of this play

          I agree .
          Quote: Guun
          How and when did you wipe it off?

          When it was quite specifically scored on the statements of the Chinese about this zone and flew on strategic, by the way, bombers.
          Quote: Guun
          will die when the PRC removes the air defense zone.

          By no means, the Chinese "air defense zones" can even declare on the Moon, the Americans simply and intelligibly explained to them the state of international law and the Chinese possibilities for changing it are somewhat softer than the USSR in their time in Damansky, but the Chinese, too, didn’t get involved, they declared a mythical zone, nothing more. And in fact, they cannot close the sky over the disputed territories, even if they really want to. They can only issue their next warning. Well, again, remove and put on the zone as much as they please.
      2. Rus2012
        Rus2012 27 November 2013 10: 52
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        Quote: Arberes
        Wiped out the Middle Kingdom!

        ... worse, the PRC has "lost face", which is worse for them. Incl. the consequences will be!
        M. b. "interception and escort", they are unlikely to be shot down on the move ...
        Most likely, they will go to "asymmetric actions" - they will officially announce the rejection of the dollar. And this is a Yankee-worse than a sickle for the Yayts ...
        1. Arberes
          Arberes 27 November 2013 11: 03
          +5
          Quote: Rus2012
          Most likely, they will go to "asymmetric actions" - they will officially announce the rejection of the dollar. And this is a Yankee-worse than a sickle for the Yayts ...

          Yes, they will most likely choose something in this spirit, but at least they will not get involved in an open confrontation with the United States. Most likely they will solve the issue in the office at the negotiating table?
          1. Rus2012
            Rus2012 27 November 2013 12: 04
            +1
            Quote: Arberes
            Most likely they will solve the issue in the office at the negotiating table?

            They have already announced that they stop saving American dollars - http://perevodika.ru/articles/23822.html
            Something else in this spirit will be said, and ... the Americans themselves rush to them. Naturally, everything will be decided behind the scenes, maybe.
            And their entot flight b52- will become a "bone in the throat" and an additional incentive to press on a sore spot ...
        2. avt
          avt 27 November 2013 11: 34
          +4
          Quote: Rus2012
          ..worse, the PRC has "lost face", and this is worse for them. Incl. the consequences will be!
          M. b. "interception and escort", they are unlikely to be shot down on the move ...

          Well yes.
          Quote: Rus2012
          Most likely, they will go to "asymmetric actions" - they will officially announce the rejection of the dollar. And this is a Yankee-worse than a sickle for the Yayts ...

          laughing No, well, it's you too! Well, they are not sick on the head to destroy the entire economy themselves with so many bonds of amers and dollars in general. This is a sickle in the balls for the Chinese themselves, and amers only happiness from the collapse of the financial system of China, which collapsed without war.
        3. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 27 November 2013 14: 32
          +2


          Quote: Rus2012
          ... worse, the PRC has "lost face", which is worse for them. Incl. the consequences will be!
          M. b. "interception and escort", they are unlikely to be shot down on the move ...
          Most likely, they will go to "asymmetric actions" - they will officially announce the rejection of the dollar. And this is a Yankee-worse than a sickle for the Yayts ...


          Last week, China refused to keep its foreign exchange reserves in dollars. The Chinese Central Bank kept 3,6 trillion. dollars. Now they abandoned the dollar and began to change to the euro, Swiss pound, rubles.
          On exchanges between Russia and China, payments are also made either in rubles or in RMB. For example, China pays for gas in rubles.
          1. Cherdak
            Cherdak 27 November 2013 16: 13
            +1
            Quote: Sith Lord
            For example, China pays for gas in rubles.



            And here it’s potentially its own, and even at hand.

            ... interest in the archipelago from China began to arise after studies under the auspices of the United Nations were conducted here in 1968, on the basis of which it was concluded that oil and gas reserves in the East China Sea are possible
      3. Grandson of Veteran
        Grandson of Veteran 27 November 2013 11: 00
        +1
        "Wipe the heavens!"
        And what have they wiped off? They just "entered the air defense identification zone created by Beijing." Would have entered China's airspace is another matter. I’m sure they would have been shot down.
        1. Arberes
          Arberes 27 November 2013 11: 17
          +5
          Quote: Veteran's grandson
          They just "entered the air defense identification zone created by Beijing."

          Well, why did they enter this identification zone? Does the name sound menacing? Why all these frankly provocative actions unilaterally? Tired of a quiet life?
          I don’t argue with the islands, but it’s necessary to decide at the negotiating table, and if tomorrow Japan announces something like that, and then Korea and Vietnam, to heap and what then?
          Are you tormented by identifying everyone with?
          1. Guun
            Guun 27 November 2013 11: 26
            0
            Indicate the flight plan and report the nationality of the aircraft. Shoot down a plane in such a zone?
            Quote: Arberes
            Well, why did they enter this identification zone?

            Well, why did the United States still remain in South Korea and Japan? To frighten undeveloped S. Korea? Who first decided to heat the APR? Insurance from China, until they violate the airspace of China itself, they will not shoot down and the Americans were well aware of this!
            1. Arberes
              Arberes 27 November 2013 11: 59
              +3
              Quote: Guun
              Well, why did the United States still remain in South Korea and Japan?

              Well, when we once in Cuba didn’t put nuclear missiles on alert, so what? So what do you want to justify?
              Maybe we needed to deploy an air defense identification zone over the Gulf of Mexico, which would greatly puzzle Mexico and the United States?
              1. Rus2012
                Rus2012 27 November 2013 12: 35
                +4
                Quote: Arberes
                Maybe we needed to deploy an air defense identification zone over the Gulf of Mexico, which would greatly puzzle Mexico and the United States?

                And meanwhile -
                The Parliament of Nicaragua allowed the presence in the country of military and technology of Russia

                http://vz.ru/news/2013/11/27/661516.html
                laughing soldier
                1. Arberes
                  Arberes 27 November 2013 12: 56
                  +3
                  Quote: Rus2012
                  And meanwhile -

                  Yes, I read. Sounds tempting? Give the first positional area of ​​PRO RUSSIA !!!
              2. Sailor Zheleznyak
                Sailor Zheleznyak 27 November 2013 14: 51
                +1
                Quote: Arberes
                Well, when we once in Cuba didn’t put nuclear missiles on alert, so what?

                In Cuba, they just set up and in an extremely short time under the nose of the amers dragged a whole regiment of strategic missiles to the island, built "tables" and put the crews on alert. Pictures from U-2 made Kennedy grab onto the back seat and sit down at the negotiating table. As a result, the naval blockade from the island was lifted. Nevertheless, there were arsenals with nuclear weapons, cruise missiles and other unpleasant gifts for our “partners” in Cuba. The world's largest electronic reconnaissance base was functioning under the protection of a motorized rifle division stationed there. These were effective tools to contain the unfounded military emotions of the United States ...
      4. DMB87
        DMB87 27 November 2013 16: 37
        +2
        Video topic:



        1. ammunition
          ammunition 28 November 2013 00: 16
          0
          Quote: DMB87
          Video topic:


          What a ugly aunt they have at the Pentagon what as if to put a wig on Lavrov.
          Serdyukov and then .. better women selected laughing
      5. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 27 November 2013 20: 33
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        Quote: Arberes
        I don’t think about the war. They just showed the Chinese that not everything is so simple in this world! Is it not enough that they unilaterally decide there?
        Wiped out the Middle Kingdom!

        And where did you get the idea that China lost in this confrontation? The fact that the US bomber flew in the area and did not report does not mean anything. After all, hundreds of civilian aircraft report every day. So the United States looks like a little bullie waving fists here. China will be able to use such US provocations to foment anti-Americanism within the country and will be able to rally the people around an external enemy that acts so openly. And it will not be superfluous if China decides to bring down the US markets and return all the accumulated debt. Such an act will be destructive for China itself, but it will hit its geopolitical adversary in the person of the United States much more seriously.
        China also has another, albeit highly controversial, opportunity. DPRK China has a major influence on its neighbor. And if you try, it can force the DPRK to take any kind of aggressive action against South Korea. In this case, they will be able to drag the United States into a bloody and destructive war with the DPRK, themselves staying on the sidelines and fueling the resources of the DPRK to continue the war. In such a scenario, will the US have enough strength for the subsequent confrontation with China? But what if this conflict bury Korea and Japan in a nuclear confrontation with the DPRK? Who will the United States rely on in the region? And if there is nobody to rely on, will there be enough forces to restrain China? But what if both options are implemented immediately?
        In the event of a war on the Korean peninsula, millions of refugees will rush to China, but tens of millions of their RK and Japan will rush to the USA.
    3. rolik
      rolik 27 November 2013 12: 08
      +1
      ShturmKGB
      The war in this region is profitable for the Americans ... any war is generally beneficial for them ..

      Well, yes, they broke off in Syria, and here is a new reason. A pig will always find dirt.
      1. DEfindER
        DEfindER 27 November 2013 13: 17
        +2
        Quote: rolik
        Well, yes, they broke off in Syria, and here is a new reason. A pig will always find dirt.

        Of course, the American military-industrial complex, inflated to an unrealistic scale, should work, otherwise millions of unemployed and a crisis in the country. So any reason will be found just to fight. And it is true that the Americans around strong countries create a ring of hostile states of their satellites, as was the case with the USSR, Russia, and China.
    4. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 27 November 2013 14: 13
      0
      ShturmKGB
      The war in this region is beneficial to the Americans ... they generally benefit from any war ...

      Obama made it clear that from the Middle East they are shifting their attention to the Pacific region.
      Quote: APES
      the impression is that there is only one pressing question - WHEN?

      Honestly, the Americans thought that they would get bogged down in Syria and then China would attack Taiwan with open hands or create a conflict, for example, by sinking the border ship of Japan.
    5. largus886
      largus886 27 November 2013 14: 51
      0
      It is beneficial to us! Let the tigers wrangle, and the monkey will look at it from the tree. Yes, and the Chinese may need real weapons, not copies, we will sell and earn money. In addition, during the wars, the price of oil rises well, so noah fight
    6. Cherdak
      Cherdak 27 November 2013 16: 07
      0
      ShturmKGB
      China has already begun to increase aviation presence since March



      It’s time, it’s time to make the Chinese sages a full prepayment for 200 + an option on the Su-35C and not suffer from colic with copying. It will be a great training ground for evaluating the combat qualities of this machine!
    7. ATATA
      ATATA 27 November 2013 17: 06
      +6
      ShturmKGB
      The war in this region is beneficial to the Americans ... they generally benefit from any war ...

      The main thing is not to get in there. It is time for Russia (sorry for the cynicism, but this is worldly truth) to earn extra money in a foreign war.
      Russia has chosen its quota for human losses for 1 years.
    8. Army1
      Army1 27 November 2013 18: 07
      +1
      ShturmKGB
      The war in this region is beneficial to the Americans ... they generally benefit from any war ...

      Yes, let them bite, the Chinese, the Americans. The Yankees would be happy if we were in conflict with the Chinese.
    9. APASUS
      APASUS 27 November 2013 19: 56
      0
      ShturmKGB
      The war in this region is profitable for the Americans ... any war is generally beneficial for them ..

      It is in this region! It will affect countries such as China, Japan, South Korea, Indonesia. You can say the world's major electronics manufacturers and during such a conflict a sharp breakthrough in the American electronic, automotive, machine-tool industry is possible.
      This is what the Americans want a small but very destructive war, although we can safely say that almost all the countries in this region want it.
    10. timer
      timer 27 November 2013 20: 15
      +1
      There will be no war in the region — China will not, he will not pull it and lose. The establishment of the zone by the Chinese is like political show-offs, no more.
      But the position of the United States is irresponsible. Because both the statements of Chuck Hagel and the flight of the B-52 only increase the degree of tension in this region. Instead of working with China diplomatically. channels, the Americans stupidly make it clear - stick your nose in your mouth. With regards to the interests of Russia, you won’t particularly get used to it economically, but politically yes, Russia can act as a wise mediator in defusing tensions and earn yourself an increase in world prestige.
    11. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 27 November 2013 20: 22
      0
      ShturmKGB
      The war in this region is beneficial to the Americans ... they generally benefit from any war ...

      Not the Americans, but the US military-industrial complex. These are slightly different concepts. The topic of confrontation in the Asia-Pacific region is very interesting. And the latest provocations from different angles are a clear confirmation of this.
      However, I would not perceive the current situation too one-sided. They are trying to impose on China from all sides, but China is too big. The current phase of confrontation was launched by China itself and this needs to be looked at more closely. If the Chinese thought they could influence the situation in the area, then they really have the strength to do so. It is important for China that the question of the ownership of the islands continues to hang in the air and the actual purchase of these islands by Japan would not make sense. Moreover, the US reaction, with its aggressive disregard for Beijing's initiative, gives the Chinese authorities the opportunity to play anti-American cards on the domestic political board. In the Chinese society, there is a serious struggle between the "market people" and the old guard, and such incidents weaken the position of the "market people".
      There is one more argument. Does the US really have the strength to hold China back today? And what will happen tomorrow when the US budget is cut? Is the United States strong enough to help Japan confront China without directly entering the war?
      It seems to me that the United States is bluffing in many respects and their partners in the Asia-Pacific region can feel this.
    12. kirmikchi181178
      kirmikchi181178 27 November 2013 20: 49
      -2
      America will not miss this chance to start a war. The main loans are given to America by Japan and China. So the United States can kill two birds with one stone.
    13. Joker
      Joker 27 November 2013 21: 20
      0
      Yeah, how we are surrounded by air defense is the norm, and how the Chinese have done at home is a provocation. Oh, give it to the snout to anyone who comes up with it, itching is straight.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 27 November 2013 23: 14
        +1
        Meanwhile, the Chinese have already moved into the zone. Really with Uncle Sam decided to measure peep-peep? Oh well...
        http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/27/21641914-china-deploys-only-aircra
        ft-carrier-after-us-sends-b-52s-over-disputed-islands
        Here in English, but Google Translate can and will give an approximate meaning.
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 28 November 2013 00: 29
          0
          China deployed its Only-Begotten Aircraft Carrier overnight, after two unarmed American B-52s
          This is from your link. But how did the media determine that the 52s were unarmed? They probably had huge "pacifs" on their sides ... As the capabilities of the Chinese navy grow, tensions will only increase. The first stage: include in the scope of their influence the coastal zone as far as possible from the mainland into the Ocean. The main prize in this game is to "eat" Taiwan.
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 28 November 2013 02: 32
            +1
            Quote: Thunderbolt
            But how did the media determine that the 52nd were unarmed?

            I don’t claim, but I guess - so the Pentagon told them. And whether there was in kind a thread of weapons on board - then one Pentagon knows for sure. But no matter what they say - you still won't believe them, and you will do the right thing. So let the Chinese scratch their turnips, wondering what specific "gifts" these bombers were "not" armed with.
            laughing
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 28 November 2013 02: 56
              +1
              hi )), Nagan, it seems to me that the value of information is not understated thanks to them, or rather to you, I learned that the Chinese junk "Lenin" with 1.5 planes on a pallet RESPONDED to American aggression. Nevertheless, to underestimate, and even more to mock the sea China's strategy is short-sighted. I told you the first stage of China's maritime expansion, too lazy to write everything, but how do you like such a final assault on the Senate: government agencies through the Triads arm Chinese emigrants, bribe Texas cowboys with cocaine and girls, the storming of Washington, the smell of burnt-out Chinese gunpowder .. Not, I wish, but what will the US empire oppose to the growing opportunities of the PRC? from inside the American continent of bison and canyons, this is very valuable for a change in RASH)
  2. Unisonic
    Unisonic 27 November 2013 10: 03
    11
    All this is not good. But on the other hand, on the example of the dispute over these islands, we can clearly see what China is ready to go to in order to achieve its "territorial desires." And it is natural to draw conclusions.
    1. Andrey57
      Andrey57 27 November 2013 10: 23
      +5
      Yes, China is not ready for anything at the present time, except for show-off pounding, they are trying to check how much they were "afraid", the conclusion is that they did not start, the flight in "their air defense zone" of the B-52 is a vivid example of this. Shoot down the B-52 from the Chinese guys. So for now they will only make all sorts of statements.
      1. Guun
        Guun 27 November 2013 10: 50
        +3
        Why would they shoot down the United States Navy B52? Well, they will knock you down, ask for an apology - they say they have mixed it up, but relations with the United States will spoil and the huge asashai market (plus Europe) will be closed to them, which will lead to not the best result, which is worse than war - internal collapse. Iran has moved closer to the west, it is likely that they will block 40% of oil. He ruined himself - China did not, decided to check the reaction - he checked it.
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 27 November 2013 12: 45
          +3
          Quote: Guun
          Iran has moved closer to the West, it is likely that they will block 40% of oil with it.

          This is not a bit ta ...
          China is a trading and strategic partner for Iran, with all settlements being carried out in national currencies. Iran, before drawing closer to the west, coordinated all its steps with the PRC and the Russian Federation ...
      2. Grandson of Veteran
        Grandson of Veteran 27 November 2013 11: 17
        +3
        "Knock down a B-52 from the Chinese
        There is simply no reason! There will be grounds (violation of the state border by a military aircraft of a foreign state), they will be killed. Do not confuse China with Cambodia.
      3. Rus2012
        Rus2012 27 November 2013 12: 40
        +4
        Quote: Andrey57
        Knock down B-52 in Chinasis the intestine is thin. So for now, only all sorts of statements will be made.

        ...have already done:
        “The Chinese Air Force tracked the flight along the entire route and timely identified (them) as American aircraft. The Chinese side has the ability to effectively control air traffic in the designated space, ”the statement of the military department says, RIA Novosti reports.

        But, actions will be ... only in another field, where their positions are iron, i.e. on financial and monetary ...
        repeat
        1. Cherdak
          Cherdak 27 November 2013 16: 16
          0
          Quote: Rus2012
          China has the ability to effectively control air traffic


          ... and in their dreams ...
  3. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 27 November 2013 10: 08
    +2
    Well, it didn’t work out in the Middle East, they’ll try in the Asia-Pacific region and it’s not about the size of the disputed territories, it doesn’t solve anything here, but what matters to this region to the paddling .... recourse
    1. Guun
      Guun 27 November 2013 10: 46
      +3
      Usa lover always goes after her spouse.
    2. Muadipus
      Muadipus 27 November 2013 11: 10
      +3
      IBD - imitation of violent activity. France today is such a loud barking mongrel that climbs out of her skin to be considered a serious player in the world.
  4. strannik595
    strannik595 27 November 2013 10: 10
    +5
    thanks to the glorious ancestors for our open spaces and our army, there are such powers for a lonely rock that you can’t even see, butting ..... the population is growing, soon the problem of resources and territories will rise to its full height
    1. zao74
      zao74 27 November 2013 12: 42
      +1
      Now imagine with what eyes they look at our Far East and Siberia ... The ancestors are great, and our task is not to lose what they have collected. And there are tendencies in power circles for this. I really hope for the law on separatism, which should cool some hot (crazy) heads.
  5. svp67
    svp67 27 November 2013 10: 15
    0
    Reconnaissance Without warning, US bombers entered China’s air defense zone
    It seems that there is not much to wait - the struggle for these disputed territories may become, that frontier after which it will become clear "Who is the most important in the world now"
    1. Desert Fox
      Desert Fox 27 November 2013 10: 22
      +2
      nor what will become apparent. They rattle with weapons, utter a bunch of words, stomp their legs and everything will be as it was. There will clearly be no second Falkland Islands. And after some time, in general, everything will settle down.
      The Chinese simply responded adequately to the excessive strengthening of the United States in that region, that's all.
  6. JonnyT
    JonnyT 27 November 2013 10: 19
    +1
    Searched, searched for a scapegoat, now all the arrows fell on China ...... he will have a hard time
  7. Ram chandra
    Ram chandra 27 November 2013 10: 25
    +2
    It's nice to see these two and their mongrels butt.
  8. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 27 November 2013 10: 28
    +4
    Quote: Arberes
    ShturmKGB
    Americans benefit from war in this region.

    I don’t think about the war. They just showed the Chinese that not everything is so simple in this world! Is it not enough that they unilaterally decide there?
    Wiped out the Middle Kingdom!

    I agree ... the Americans just showed who has "longer"
  9. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 27 November 2013 10: 29
    +1
    The Americans got lost and will soon get a hara from the Chinese that they forgot Vietnam will be so reminded and inapplicable! And Japan in general should sit quieter than water and below the grass, they have not yet paid off for the outrage that they have been doing in Asia and in particular in China since the early 30s until the end of the 40s! What is "combed" again, you scratch, as the "great folklorist" VS Chernomyrdin said: "... in another place ...!" And to fight a nuclear power for amers is "more expensive", but to get another "splash" in the form of a downed B-52 it can be!
  10. Volodya Sibiryak
    Volodya Sibiryak 27 November 2013 10: 30
    +3
    I think that for now everything will be limited to the "last Chinese warning", but when China gains real strength for confrontation in the region, then open confrontation is possible. Now only so, a statement of intent.
    1. dimon-media
      dimon-media 27 November 2013 10: 44
      +1
      No need for China to butt military with the United States. It is enough for China to get rid of American debt securities (which it is the largest holder in the world and not to redeem them more) and the entire US financial pyramid will crumble to dust. And if Russia still joins this action .. we, too, are the largest holder of American debt. By the way.
  11. Nayhas
    Nayhas 27 November 2013 10: 31
    +3
    Yes Yes Yes! Get started! But somehow they didn’t report whether the Chinese aces flew out to intercept, so the lice test showed that China was starting to get stuck ... We are waiting for the 2013 Chinese warning, they will not get used to it.
    1. Guun
      Guun 27 November 2013 10: 52
      +1
      Have you forgotten Korea? They warned, then bent the entire NATO block into the lotus position with simple infantry.
  12. dimon-media
    dimon-media 27 November 2013 10: 35
    0
    China can very seriously answer them seriously. If not military power, then at least economically. He has a lot of levers. This is the situation when it is China that can apply economic sanctions to the United States, and not vice versa, as we are all used to hearing: - Like the United States applied economic sanctions and blah blah blah. True, China itself will suffer from this. But not fatal, unlike the United States. For America, any manipulation by China of their securities and the dollar can be fatal for the states. In addition, almost all plants moved to China.
    1. Drosselmeyer
      Drosselmeyer 27 November 2013 12: 58
      +1
      Oh well. China's largest market is the United States. Having lost such a market, all of China’s prosperity will go off the whistle, and there the Communist Party will pump.
    2. nikcris
      nikcris 27 November 2013 14: 28
      +1
      Not logical.
      1 dollar. The US has a "freeze" experience. Iran, Iraq, Libya ...
      2 Economy. We learned how to do without Roshen, TaG and Merikos, tightening our belts by one hole, knocking out the entire industry of China - it was not designed to work on the domestic market, not the USSR - he did not care.
    3. MBA78
      MBA78 27 November 2013 14: 36
      +1
      China can very seriously answer them seriously.
      stick a needle into the ridge of a (very strong) inflated (of its own importance) inflation dollar
      ---
      all probably closely watching this
  13. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 27 November 2013 10: 36
    +3
    And who would speak, I understand Korea, Japan is their closest zone, but the Shtatniks ?! Americans go home!
    Washington considers Beijing’s decision to dramatically expand the Air Defense Identification Zone in the East China Sea to be overly provocative

    And the American missile defense system in Europe is normal, it is not
    overly provocative

    Double standards policy in action !!!
  14. Metlik
    Metlik 27 November 2013 10: 37
    0
    China is the main goal of the United States. The original plan was to destabilize Iran and create a bridgehead there for the Middle East - China war. Pakistan - a Muslim country - although an ally of the Chinese, but the Americans rule there. But Iran is a tough nut. The USA will be stuck there for a long time. Therefore, they decided to put up with him. A war today between the two nuclear powers is hardly possible. The United States will create an iron curtain against China. Isolation and blockade - until China explodes from within.
    1. Guun
      Guun 27 November 2013 10: 54
      0
      + Iran they decided to pull to themselves, forgetting about Israel.
  15. askort154
    askort154 27 November 2013 10: 50
    +4
    The Americans realized that the strategic point of tension (economic, and therefore military) is sharply
    moves to the APR. Therefore, they quickly "tied" in the Middle East: - they ceded Syria to Russia, leaving it without chemical weapons (the main threat to Israel), gave a weak point to Iraq, and, in contrast, "made friends" between Saudi Arabia and Israel. That is, we here they made a mess, and you just sort it out as it turns out. The EU as opposed to Russia. And we went to keep an eye on and "spud" China. Therefore, we changed our minds to withdraw our troops from Afgan, let them be in the vicinity of China.
  16. VadimSt
    VadimSt 27 November 2013 11: 12
    0
    Quote: askort154
    The Americans realized that the strategic point of tension (economic, and therefore military) is sharply shifting in the APR. Therefore, we quickly "got stuck" in the Middle East.

    Do not relax! The Yankees have always considered and consider the whole ball as a zone of their interests, and it is for these purposes that they maintain a powerful fleet. China has "pulled up" its fleet to the threshold of domination in the Asia-Pacific region, but without taking into account the US fleet, so it is trying its muscles.
    Let them pinch. The main thing is to use time and energy effectively to build up the Russian fleet!
  17. AK-47
    AK-47 27 November 2013 11: 21
    +1
    Chuck Hagel: "... is a destabilizing attempt to violate the regional status quo." “These unilateral actions increase the chance of mutual misunderstanding and miscalculations.”

    How not to recall the film "Gentlemen of Fortune" in the meaning of the phrase of Chuck Hagel means: "... get out of here, otherwise I'll knock off the horns, tear my mouth, gouge out the blinkers! You will work for medicines all your life, sausage, sausage, radish, Nebuchadnezzar, Hamburg cock!"
  18. bistrov.
    bistrov. 27 November 2013 11: 24
    +2
    In Russia, these mutual Sino-American jerking-offs are, in principle, beneficial. They allow you to gain time and thereby increase your groupings in the East and the West, while re-equipping them with modern weapons. Faster, you need to deploy using the situation.
  19. awg75
    awg75 27 November 2013 11: 28
    +5
    we bite China and America only on hand --- not even apart
  20. propolsky
    propolsky 27 November 2013 11: 54
    +2
    In this situation (in my understanding), China is wrong, this can be set up over Manhattan and Khabarovsk! And America provokes and sends China with such flights ... Let them sort it out with the help of diplomats, although it does not look like them.
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  22. Federal
    Federal 27 November 2013 12: 52
    0
    the tea party has been twisted, we ourselves said we will not only track it, but also shoot it down without preliminary identification, and now wipe off the comrade ....
    just himself from Asia, big freaks in physiology than the Chinese have not seen. Japanese beauty, though someone said a nation of slaves and gentlemen ...
  23. flint1309
    flint1309 27 November 2013 13: 05
    0
    At the same time, Beijing warned that the so-called emergency defensive measures would be applied to any object that did not pass identification when entering the controlled zone .... This is letter A. US B-52 bombers entered the air defense identification zone created by Beijing without warning .. Where is the letter B? In our world, sorry for the (bazaar) answer as it should recourse
    1. askort154
      askort154 27 November 2013 15: 42
      +1
      flint1309 .... And where is the letter B? In our world, sorry for the (bazaar) to answer as if over

      In the 60-70s, the last century in the USSR. there was a saying: - "the last Chinese warning!" It was used when it was certain that there would be no action.
      And she was born as a result of constant, expressed in arithmetic numbers, calculations: -
      "The Chinese government in the central newspaper Sun-hua, expressed to the US government
      its 1213 warning about trespassing Taiwan. ”That was the whole point of the warning.
  24. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 27 November 2013 13: 08
    0
    While they butt, we can solve some of our problems. This conflict is for a long time, so for a long time they will forget about us.
  25. Andrew 447
    Andrew 447 27 November 2013 13: 09
    0
    Yeah, put China in a quandary. He announced it, but now it needs to be supported by decisive action. But there isn’t enough spirit for decisive action or they will say that we can let the Americans fly or have to shoot it down next time. Again, the question is what or with your copies of the S-300 (but there are big reputational risks) or interceptors, even worse (direct aggression). I think the Chinese will try to hush up the topic of this zone, they set themselves up.
  26. 3935333
    3935333 27 November 2013 13: 25
    0
    The Americans do not like the fact that the slaves from their factory raised their heads and declared themselves a "power" ... before they (the Chinese) were slaughtered by the Yapas, the Anglo-Saxons were put on opiates, then the USSR presented a bomb. and now damn "Middle Empire". There is no gentleman, just for the state, which covered the needs of the Golden Billion (that is, it was a large factory for the production of everything for everyone, killing its ecology and a large human resource with harmful industries), and now it is trying to play its violin ... heh = heh, Cinema Pacific Rim 2 Begins! Kaiju is already being baited, and in the literal and figurative sense of the word, and Fukushima was arranged and the islands were suddenly sold to Japan by some "private" tenant-owners! Ktai will be punished, there will be war! The people of Kirai need it too! And they are preparing hard for it!
  27. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 27 November 2013 13: 30
    0
    The United States with sixes like South Korea likes to arrange provocations with "civilian" aircraft. One thing is a pity, because civilians may die.
  28. umah
    umah 27 November 2013 13: 42
    +1
    As a response, the Chinese can throw off US bonds for a couple of hundred million dollars. Then it will become clear who has the pussy longer.
  29. Ihrek
    Ihrek 27 November 2013 14: 07
    0
    China created a problem for itself by creating an air defense zone. Having said "A" to say "B" to the Americans, they could not and hardly will. And there will be more and more provocations. And these are huge image losses for the PRC. And in general, the situation is very dangerous for the region.
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 27 November 2013 14: 58
      +1
      Quote: Jamal
      China created a problem for itself by creating an air defense zone. Saying "A" say "B"

      The sly Chinese decided to say the following instead of "B":
      November 26 / Xinhua / - Air Defense Identification Zone / OZ air defense / will be multifunctional, and not just military. This was reported by military experts in an interview with corr. Xinhua News Agency.

      The decision to create a defense air defense system was made in accordance with the development of the state security environment and will contribute to the improvement of the Chinese naval defense system, expert Yin Zhuo believes.

      "The publication by China of the details of the deployment of the air defense system was an important step for increasing military transparency," said specialist Zhang Junshe. In his opinion, OZ air defense will allow China to increase its air defense capability and avoid erroneous military conclusions.

      Experts believe that effective air control will contribute to the safety of civilian aircraft in the OZ air defense, as well as to increase the level of meteorological, telecommunication and navigation services.

      "Creation of air defense facilities in the East China Sea will help improve a system of regional security and ensuring freedom of flight ", - assured Yin Zhuo.
      http://russian.people.com.cn/31521/8466217.html
  30. tnship2
    tnship2 27 November 2013 14: 12
    0
    Somehow it turned out that everyone suddenly forgot about international law. And to sit at the negotiating table and solve the problems that aren’t enough, do you need to rattle your arms? And if you imagine this situation hypothetically, America says: “Enough of me, you’re all tired of you problems. We the American people wash their hands and we went to rake humus in our stables. Announces a policy of isolationism. Dependent on it state-states how long will they be capricious and bite China?
  31. nikcris
    nikcris 27 November 2013 14: 20
    0
    Quote: Guun
    Have you forgotten Korea? They warned, then bent the entire NATO block into the lotus position with simple infantry.

    There was not NATO, but the UN. wink
    The Kimirsenites bent down at first. Then the million-strong Chinese "simple infantry" only helped to stay on the old borders. No more winked To fight - do not suck rice.
  32. VADEL
    VADEL 27 November 2013 14: 22
    0
    Falklands 2 are unlikely to be here. They clatter with glands, tickle their nerves, scratch their tongues, and on this IMHO it will all end.
  33. BOB48
    BOB48 27 November 2013 15: 19
    0
    it's like a test of strength yes
  34. Vadim12
    Vadim12 27 November 2013 15: 28
    -1
    The United States would have fought with China ... It would be great
    1. Cherdak
      Cherdak 27 November 2013 16: 19
      0
      Quote: Vadim12
      The United States would have fought with China


      Maybe my beauties sang some last song. They shook, so to speak, antiquity
  35. 006 Feliks
    006 Feliks 27 November 2013 15: 56
    +1
    The Americans will definitely go to this region !! And the matter is far from this "malicious identification zone introduced by China" !! People, it's completely different! China begins to kill America exclusively economically and financially, namely, on November 21 of this year, China officially made a statement that it ceases to accumulate and use the dollar as a reserve currency !! Thus, America just got there !! To keep the dollar afloat America needs a war !!!
  36. morpogr
    morpogr 27 November 2013 16: 33
    0
    So recently there was an article that China created an analogue of the S-300 that even surpassed it. Here is a great way to check it.
    1. Muadipus
      Muadipus 28 November 2013 00: 18
      0
      So recently there was an article that China created an analogue of the S-300 tothat even surpass him This is a great way to check this out.
      - it was not written for us, but for the Turks))
  37. tnk1969
    tnk1969 27 November 2013 17: 03
    0
    China just does not stop. Firstly, they will send a small group of Navy ships to this Zone, announce about the beginning of the maneuvers of the Navy, BBB and Air Defense, temporary cover of this region from flights and will work out all their moves. With this, they will show the seriousness of their steps. And further. Do not forget that the Chinese already have their former aircraft carrier. And he can also participate in these maneuvers.
    And now about Russia. Have you forgotten this summer? Flooding in the Khabarovsk and Primorsky Territories? Nodo remember that the border between Russia and China runs in the middle of the Amar, and its course has changed dramatically this summer and autumn. After all, Russia did not carry out any work to strengthen its coast and repair and build hydraulic structures on its coast. And that is why today the Russian coast has given way to water and therefore China has the right to claim "its" territory. And the Russian troops along the border are ten times less than the Chinese ones ...
    Think and draw conclusions. Today Japan and South Korea, tomorrow Russia
  38. Leshka
    Leshka 27 November 2013 19: 12
    0
    good luck to the Chinese brothers
  39. clidon
    clidon 27 November 2013 19: 20
    0
    On the basis of what should China shoot down American bombers there? The air defense zone there is more of a political step, not falling under international norms and rules. Accordingly, the Americans there violate no more than our Tu-95s flying around Japan.
  40. saag
    saag 27 November 2013 19: 29
    0
    Quote: Vadim12
    The United States would have fought with China ... It would be great

    Make bets, gentlemen, make your bets :-) Who bets on red, on zero? :-)
    1. alone
      alone 27 November 2013 21: 35
      0
      Red, black !! Zero will hit anyway) laughing depends on who controls the roulette))
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  42. Altona
    Altona 27 November 2013 20: 07
    +1
    The dull-headed American eagle apparently decided to play with the Chinese dragon in the sequel "The Hunt for Red October" ... Both sides have taken up the necessary business ... Some demonstrate ambition, others bring them down ...
  43. Orik
    Orik 27 November 2013 21: 24
    0
    Quote: Lord of the Sith

    Last week, China refused to keep its foreign exchange reserves in dollars. The Chinese Central Bank kept 3,6 trillion. dollars. Now they abandoned the dollar and began to change to the euro, Swiss pound, rubles.
    On exchanges between Russia and China, payments are also made either in rubles or in RMB. For example, China pays for gas in rubles.

    If you do not take dollars, then we will fly to you.