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Why has the number of Russians, who believe that Russia has enemies, increased dramatically?

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On November 26, the Levada analytical center published the results of a remarkable sociological survey. In the course of this survey, respondents were asked on the streets of cities and rural settlements whether they consider that Russia today has enemies. In aggregate, the question was asked by 1603 to Russian citizens living in the 45 regions of the country. According to the information provided by the Levada Center, the error during such a survey does not exceed the value in 3,4%.


The survey results are as follows:

78% respondents said that Russia has enemies (the direct answer is yes), 13% answered that the Russian Federation has no enemies (direct answer is no), yet 9% give an unequivocal answer found it difficult.

The Levada Center has been asking similar questions to Russians on the streets in recent years, and therefore it will be interesting to compare the results obtained in the current year with the results of previous similar polls.

It turned out that the survey results of the 2013 sample of the year are very similar to the results of the survey of the 10 model that had been done years ago. Then the same 78% of respondents said they were confident that there were enemies of Russia. Both of these results in terms of the percentage of respondents who answered the question "yes" are maximum. In other years, the number of "yes" answers was lower. Somewhat strange, but the minimum number who believe that Russia has enemies, was noted only a year ago - 63%. Just a year - and what a sharp jump - immediately to 15%. At the same time, there were no particularly sharp changes in the direction of any external or internal forces in relation to the Russian state (and precisely in the negative direction). What is the reason for such a sharp increase in the percentage of those who said “yes” about the presence of enemies in Russia?

Why has the number of Russians, who believe that Russia has enemies, increased dramatically?


There is an opinion that a few years ago, the overwhelming majority of Russians steadfastly associated Russia with a single whole, both with the government and with the authorities of other levels. Therefore, the question itself could be interpreted as a question about the presence of enemies from Russia directly (both from the country and its people) and from the authorities who were called upon to defend the interests of the people. Well, in the conventional sense, the image of the enemy of Russia was considered something like the United States of America, the CIA, British intelligence or, for example, the cultivation of world extremism by Qatar and Saudi Arabia. Here, for the majority, a clear line of time could have appeared: for example, the USA or Saudi Arabia are enemies and that's it. With regard to such a definition of the enemy of Russia, one can, of course, have a long discussion, but this discussion will not change the essence, as most people who are convinced that it is the United States trio, Qatar and the Saudis - our (Russian) main enemies will not dissuade.

But for some time (especially after high-profile corruption scandals and some self-exclusion of government officials from the need to punish the guilty), such associations for some Russians have lost some relevance, and people began to think about whether this self-exclusion is not a signal. - A signal that the enemies of Russia may well be, as they say, not only somewhere overseas or in the palace of some Arabian crown prince or sheikh, but, for example, in the “same cabin” with representatives of the Russian authorities of various levels . And if these hypothetical enemies in the same cabin are allowed, it means that the level of trust in those who allow them “into the cabin” in the country also began to decline.

In other words, a significant percentage of Russians in response to the presence of enemies in Russia implied not only external enemies (American "democratization" or some kind of Al-Qaeda), but also internal enemies. Someone saw among them representatives of the so-called non-systemic opposition, who even from the president’s participation in the Literary Assembly, tried to make a political show, and someone by the enemies of Russia meant high-ranking corrupt officials who managed to more than significantly improve the state budget and other state property. your financial situation. It is this fact that can be attributed to why, compared to last year, the number of Russians, who believe that Russia has enemies, jumped immediately to 15%.

It turns out that the survey of the “Levada Center”, or rather its results of the 2013 sample of the year (if they are, of course, believed), was marked by some significant change in the minds of the citizens of the country. If recently the overwhelming majority of compatriots among the enemies of Russia were ranked except the notorious Russophobes of John McCain and Zbigniew Brzezinski, cowardly puppets like Mikhail Saakashvili and Viktor Yushchenko, notorious villains from the assortment of Basayev, Raduyev, and the same, they are the same, they are the same, they are the same, they are the same, they are the same. homegrown "frames." Why? Is there anything reprehensible in this assessment? Or the person who stole (or whose personal fault was stolen) billions of people's funds caused less damage to Russia than any John McCain, who did not overcome the Cold War syndrome ... Did the people who warm their hands on the Olympic construction site, on the allocation of housing for servicemen, on the implementation of "non-core" real estate to third parties, on the protection of underground gambling clubs, on money laundering through offshore companies (the list can be continued for a long time) - are these not enemies of the state? Are mayors, “sirs” and “peers”, who use their party card to solve their own financial problems to the detriment of the region and people entrusted to them, this region is not the enemies of Russia? .. (And even if you don’t mention alcoholism and drug addiction literally mowing the population).

If we are guided by this very thought, then even somehow it is difficult to understand those 13% of Russians who said that our country has no enemies. I do not Anatoly Serdyukov with all his protégés and other similar characters were among the respondents "Levada Center" ...
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  1. bomg.77
    bomg.77 30 November 2013 08: 02
    65
    26 November Analytical Center "Levada"
    ANALYTICAL))) since when have the counters become analysts?
    Why has the number of Russians, who believe that Russia has enemies, increased dramatically?
    The veil fell from his eyes.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 30 November 2013 08: 16
      44
      Quote: bomg.77
      ANALYTICAL))) since when have the counters become analysts?

      And one more nuance, "bLevada-Center" did not specify how many home-grown enemies of Russia are in Russia itself.
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 30 November 2013 08: 28
        25
        Quote: Tersky
        And one more nuance, "bLevada-Center" did not specify how many home-grown enemies of Russia are in Russia itself.
        Why would they write to themselves))
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 30 November 2013 08: 34
          17
          Quote: bomg.77
          Why would they write to themselves))

          True, not kosher somehow yes ! The motto "LC" speaks for itself - "From opinions - to understanding" wassat !
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 30 November 2013 08: 59
          17
          Quote: bomg.77
          Why would they write to themselves))

          So the survey was conducted among the staff of the Levada Center wassat Hence the shock wink
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 30 November 2013 09: 04
            14
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            So the survey was conducted among the staff of the Levada Center. From here and SHOCK.
            In the fifth column, the fifth column wound up wassat hi
            1. Hudo
              Hudo 30 November 2013 09: 07
              +6
              Quote: bomg.77
              In the fifth column, the fifth column wound up


              Enemy of my enemy ... (c)
              1. bomg.77
                bomg.77 30 November 2013 11: 02
                +4
                Quote: Hudo
                Enemy of my enemy ... (c)
                We still will not be a friend. negative
                1. Hudo
                  Hudo 30 November 2013 11: 09
                  +4
                  Quote: bomg.77
                  Quote: Hudo
                  Enemy of my enemy ... (c)
                  We still will not be a friend. negative



                  With a black sheep, even a shred of wool / proverb /. Anyway, any discord in the camp of the enemy is good!
                  1. Garrin
                    Garrin 30 November 2013 16: 33
                    +3
                    Quote: Hudo
                    With a black sheep, even a shred of wool / proverb /. Anyway, any discord in the camp of the enemy is good!

                    Yes, and we do not need all sorts of shreds. A strong army and navy !!! This is quite enough.
                    1. Hudo
                      Hudo 30 November 2013 19: 58
                      10
                      Quote: Garrin

                      Yes, and we do not need all sorts of shreds. A strong army and navy !!! This is quite enough.

                      Not! Not enough! The Army and Navy are figuratively speaking a front, and any front assumes the presence of a rear, as strong and reliable as possible. In the rear, they not only forge weapons, but also teach children how to love their homeland. So that children grow up as patriots, so that they can distinguish truth from plausible liberalistic lies. What the police and special services should do in the rear, please think for yourself, but you also can’t do without them.
                      That will be my answer to you, comrade.
                    2. yurii p
                      yurii p 30 November 2013 22: 33
                      +2
                      ". Strong army and navy !!! This is quite enough." ...... the army and the navy must be controlled, if there is no head then there is no future.
                    3. Andrey Skokovsky
                      Andrey Skokovsky 1 December 2013 17: 54
                      +3
                      Quote: Garrin
                      Quote: Hudo
                      With a black sheep, even a shred of wool / proverb /. Anyway, any discord in the camp of the enemy is good!

                      Yes, and we do not need all sorts of shreds. A strong army and navy !!! This is quite enough.

                      the USSR had both the Army and the Navy, but this did not save the country from the betrayal of its own elite
                      moreover, such a betrayal does not occur in the history of Russia for the first time ...
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            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 30 November 2013 09: 17
              +7
              Quote: bomg.77
              In the fifth column, the fifth column wound up

              Human rights activists wound up there laughing
              1. bomg.77
                bomg.77 30 November 2013 11: 06
                +5
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Human rights activists wound up there
                Do not say such terrible words, Alexander. "Human rights activist"laughing Do not defile this forum. wassat
                1. Sashkessss
                  Sashkessss 1 December 2013 12: 28
                  0
                  "human rights defenders" are the same "NATO peacekeepers", only in peacetime ... wassat
          2. Combitor
            Combitor 30 November 2013 10: 25
            -49 qualifying.
            Terskiy RU Today, 08:16 ↑, Levada is looking for enemies in the wrong place:
            "The Cabinet of Ministers adopted a draft resolution, according to which it will cut federal budget expenditures from 3,66 to 3 billion rubles for monthly payments of benefits to families at the birth of the third and subsequent children, but under three years of age, the relevant information is posted on the website of the Cabinet of Ministers of the Russian Federation on Friday." Mail News. ru.
            The "sweet couple" will not calm down until they finish us off. We are developing new weapons! The Kremlin wagon driver would have thought, if Russian women stopped giving birth, who would control the tanks, missiles, planes, ships? Guest workers?
            There is no need to search for enemies. They are shown every day on TV. And every four years, for the past 13 years, we have chosen the main enemy for the main Russian position.
            1. seller trucks
              seller trucks 30 November 2013 10: 34
              14
              Quote: Kombitor
              Sweet couple "until they finish us off, they won't calm down.


              Want a movie about yourself? please:




              by the way, honored (-)
              1. Armata
                Armata 30 November 2013 12: 16
                0
                Yeah. Attack of the trolls for the GDP, against the trolls of the GDP. There is no need to impose your ideology here. Gathered here are adults who have immunity to this sport (undercover wrestling). So "-" for such miscarriages. And in general, they tried to at least read the article?
                1. seller trucks
                  seller trucks 30 November 2013 13: 24
                  +8
                  Quote: Mechanic
                  Nda. Attack of Trolls FOR GDP, against Trolls of GDP. No need to plant your ideology here.


                  I don’t have my own ideology, I probably didn’t come out with my face and mind repeat and here's another, that the post refers to a specific character and is already secondary to the article, "for carelessness" (-) drinks
                2. annenkov
                  annenkov 30 November 2013 14: 48
                  +6
                  Mechanic, please explain what are the criteria for adults, by definition of the entire GDP policy.
            2. Victor-M
              Victor-M 30 November 2013 20: 22
              +5
              "compound feed"
              Sometimes when you meet such ... as you, you regret that the repression has been canceled.
            3. vasiliysxx
              vasiliysxx 30 November 2013 20: 57
              +5
              would you bother to remember what happened under Yeltsin, do you want the same seal again? Please, they graze near the American embassy, ​​choose.
              1. Anatoly. RUS
                Anatoly. RUS 1 December 2013 12: 06
                -9
                you lifted up about what happened at EBN, and Putin is better: both of them are of the same berry field. Genocide against the indigenous population is their policy.
            4. yurii p
              yurii p 30 November 2013 22: 37
              +1
              two, but one this definitely does not belong to this category, and I think everyone knows who the second, sulfur and hydrogen, carries from him like hell.
            5. Anatoly. RUS
              Anatoly. RUS 1 December 2013 12: 01
              -11 qualifying.
              I completely agree, our main enemy is this sweet couple.
              Who minus the one is probably a thief. Or chewing is not in our country. And what is being done for the good of the country is crumbs from a stolen cake.
              It’s possible to list for a long time what has fallen apart, and what the fellows didn’t fall apart.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 1 December 2013 12: 28
                +6
                Quote: Anatoly. RUS
                Who minus the one is probably a thief. Or chewing is not in our country.

                be surprised, did not steal, and came to live in Russia
                1. Anatoly. RUS
                  Anatoly. RUS 1 December 2013 14: 06
                  -4
                  Interesting from where? and how long ? Now to us in Russia every G goes a lot. (This is not specific to you). They have paradise and a stack of things.
              2. Genera
                Genera 2 December 2013 09: 45
                -4
                "And what is being done for the good of the country is crumbs from the stolen pie." - and the pie must have been stolen from your table.
              3. user1212
                user1212 5 December 2013 05: 11
                -1
                Who minus the one probably thief

                I completely agree with you. I also think that those who disagree with me are fools and thieves. There are only 2 opinions. Mine and not right. After all, my opinion is certainly the ultimate truth. Yeah. lol
                1. user1212
                  user1212 11 December 2013 16: 05
                  0
                  I look at such a concept as irony is not familiar to everyone lol
            6. dmitrich
              dmitrich 3 December 2013 14: 16
              0
              it seems like an unintelligent person!
            7. Bars90
              Bars90 5 December 2013 13: 08
              0
              Comrade Combitor ... If not for Putin, the "allies" would eat us. The main enemies of Russia are the ANTIPATRIOTS !!! Weak, uninitiated people, afraid of difficulties ... Do not criticize the man who plows like a galley slave, but look at yourself, what you can do for the country.
        3. 528Obrp
          528Obrp 30 November 2013 09: 17
          10
          Quote: bomg.77
          Why would they write to themselves))

          I would slightly correct:
          Why do they on WRITING YOURSELF
      2. mirag2
        mirag2 30 November 2013 08: 45
        +7
        That's it.
        Homegrown - one of them died:
        "... In December 1975, Natalya Gorbanevskaya emigrated: first to France, then to Poland. She worked in the editorial office of the Continent magazine, was a freelance employee of Radio Liberty, from the early 1980s to 2003 worked for the newspaper Russkaya Mysl "Since 1999 he has been a member of the editorial board and editorial board of the Russian-language Warsaw magazine" New Poland ", published in it as an author and as a translator ..."

        Source: http://www.calend.ru/person/7206/
        © Calend.ru
      3. vezunchik
        vezunchik 30 November 2013 15: 27
        +7
        Here, the call of the inner enemies is older and more dangerous ..
      4. Siberian German
        Siberian German 30 November 2013 20: 48
        +9
        and all external enemies did not do so much harm to the pain and suffering of our people as a bunch of internal ones (humpbacked, half-drunk, red-headed, seven-bankers, Chukotka, etc.)
      5. yurii p
        yurii p 30 November 2013 22: 30
        +3
        I can’t say how much, I can tell where, it’s GAZPROM, and who it is Chubais, Yumashev .... well, I won’t enumerate not enough time.
      6. dmitrich
        dmitrich 1 December 2013 03: 08
        +3
        the very first enemy is the fifth column.
      7. AVV
        AVV 1 December 2013 14: 07
        +2
        In Russia there are also internal enemies, they usually feed on the money of the West !!! The same Navalny, Alekseeva, Gudkov and many other parasites are coordinated through McFaul !!! So there is a complete symbiosis of external and internal enemies !!!
      8. starshina78
        starshina78 1 December 2013 18: 13
        -3
        Question to Tersky - Why are you writing so impermissibly rude about the Levada Center? His polls and conclusions are more realistic than the sugary polls and conclusions of VTsIOM. "Levada - Center" concretizes the questions, gives concrete results of the survey, in contrast to VTsIOM. He suffers from embellishment of reality, and sometimes even rigging of facts for the sake of a particular situation or a specific person or regime. You can see this for yourself if you compare the results of polls on an identical question asked by the Levada Center and VTsIOM, and then conduct a mini survey among your friends, relatives, and if you are sociable, then among just passers-by, buyers.
        I did this, and the results of the Levada Center are closer to the truth.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 1 December 2013 18: 23
          0
          Quote: starshina78
          I did this, and the results of the Levada Center are closer to the truth.

          Closer, but not true. If you conduct surveys among friends and acquaintances, they will be very different from both sources. By type of work, I have to communicate with people, and after the election I asked questions - who did they vote for? The results were very different from the All-Russian Central Executive Committee, the Levada, and the All-Russian Public Opinion Research Center hi
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 30 November 2013 08: 58
      +7
      Quote: bomg.77
      The veil fell from his eyes.

      No, this is Putin’s propaganda laughing
    3. Pinochet000
      Pinochet000 30 November 2013 09: 32
      10
      Quote: bomg.77
      The veil from the eyes fell

      People wake up, shit in the head is becoming more difficult ...
      1. Fullback
        Fullback 30 November 2013 09: 55
        25
        "To save Russia, you need to burn Moscow."
        M.I. Kutuzov.
        1. Panikovsky
          Panikovsky 30 November 2013 16: 47
          +6
          I don’t think that Kutuzov said such disgusting things. do not believe him, chase him, he is lying, Kutuzov did not say that!
        2. Panikovsky
          Panikovsky 30 November 2013 21: 11
          +2
          you are a liar and a liar. Mikhail Illarionovich Kutuzov never said anything like that. you're a filthy bastard, and a liar. but you are a filthy bastard.
        3. Panikovsky
          Panikovsky 30 November 2013 21: 34
          +2
          it’s you, geek, you need to brush off your boots, and after that, do not burn, flog the jerk.
        4. Captain45
          Captain45 30 November 2013 23: 08
          +7
          Quote: FullBack
          "To save Russia, you need to burn Moscow."
          M.I. Kutuzov.

          And where did you read it? The Cossack who was sent is visible, and those who plus also. As far as I remember from history, the question was raised a little differently on the council — in order to save the army, you have to leave Moscow. Stop, but not burn!
        5. IGS
          IGS 1 December 2013 00: 59
          +1
          Do not touch the city. I was born in it and it is dear to me. And do not confuse officials and the city. Where are you from? I give 90% that there are about a dozen officials coming from your region, region, city, village. They also burned that they gave birth and raised such, for example, the village of Kholmsky, Krasnodar Territory? Muscovites then and there is almost in power. And Kutuzov did not say that.
        6. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 1 December 2013 13: 42
          +2
          FullBack, try to "pin up" your mother in the same vein, if you have one! I am surprised to have 29 more sympathizers for you. I feel sorry for your teachers.
        7. demon184
          demon184 4 December 2013 15: 48
          0
          Thinking enough with the Duma
      2. mirag2
        mirag2 30 November 2013 10: 46
        +4
        Just about, I say that the days of dissidents-"heroes" are in the past.
        People can’t rub in that they live in a shitty country, because it is clear that in other countries they think only of their own.
        And they'll put them on you, just to rob you and let them go naked all over the world, but "free" and "democratic", and as a consolation they will shoot a film (such "people" as the producer-agent of the "Mossad") with Arnold in the title role.
      3. Pinochet000
        Pinochet000 30 November 2013 11: 12
        +5
        The paradox is that the more actively they try to spoil, the faster people wake up ..
        1. Migari
          Migari 30 November 2013 13: 30
          +3
          So everything is already muddied up, neither of which is holy, democracy is your mother.
          1. Pinochet000
            Pinochet000 30 November 2013 14: 00
            +4
            Quote: Migari
            So everything is already muddied up, neither of which is holy, democracy is your mother.

            Well, it’s just for us to understand that something was wrong for about 20 years, I think the situation will change until slowly, unfortunately, and not as much as we would like ..
            But Serdyuk was charged, questions arose to Medinsky for Bondarchuk's film "Stalingrad" Film "Stalingrad" May Cost Medinsky Minister's Portfolio http://politobzor.net/show-7379-film-stalingrad-mozhet-stoit-medinskomu-portfely
            a-ministra.html
            I don’t know for one I have the feeling that power is two steps behind the people?
    4. discard
      discard 30 November 2013 09: 52
      -19 qualifying.
      When our president reminds us of NATO inappropriately and out of place, when they constantly show us the building up of the power of our millionth army, when 20% of the state budget is allocated annually for the maintenance and rearmament of our millionth army, then, naturally, the population has the opinion that we surrounded by enemies and we are in danger of attack.
      And we ourselves are the internal enemies - we live and do not protest against the bureaucratic vertical of power, which acts on the principle "I can do whatever I want."
      1. askort154
        askort154 30 November 2013 10: 57
        28
        discard .... When our president is out of place and out of place reminds us of NATO ...

        Recent events, not to mention the past:
        1) twice an attack on the Russian Embassy in Syria,
        2) the desire to drag the former republics of the USSR into the ears of the EU, while shouting that Putin wants to create the USSR No. 2 under the wing of the Customs Union,
        3) with Iran "softened", but the construction of missile defense in the EU is not going to curtail,
        4) "on the sly". but persistently saturating Poland with military equipment
        5) begin to show increased interest in the Arctic, etc.

        discfrd .... internal enemies are ourselves - we live and do not protest against the bureaucratic vertical of power, which operates according to the principle "I turn what I want."

        Building power and 20% of the budget for the Army - is it not clear to you?
        "He is an official and an African official"
        Do you wish foreign officials to replace our officials?
        Wouldn't it be easier for you to go to them ?!
        1. shuhartred
          shuhartred 30 November 2013 16: 49
          +2
          I’m wondering if Russia has friends other than the army and navy ???? belay
          1. 11111mail.ru
            11111mail.ru 1 December 2013 13: 45
            0
            Nuclear weapons, forgotten?
      2. ultra
        ultra 30 November 2013 12: 07
        +3
        Well, it’s more likely that NATO reminds us of itself every day. And I agree about internal enemies! Corruptionists in power structures are our main enemies! In fact, they are the main trump card of the so-called non-systemic opposition.
      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 30 November 2013 13: 11
        +4
        Quote: discard
        out of place and out of place reminds us of NATO

        Yes, of course out of place, the American nuclear weapons in Italy is located solely to combat global terrorism.

        Now, thank God, in addition to GDP, you can also find no info, well, if your brains are certainly not under the Unified State Exam
      4. Gooch v. 2
        Gooch v. 2 30 November 2013 15: 36
        -19 qualifying.
        Quote: discard
        When our president reminds us of NATO inappropriately and out of place, when they constantly show us the building up of the power of our millionth army, when 20% of the state budget is allocated annually for the maintenance and rearmament of our millionth army, then, naturally, the population has the opinion that we surrounded by enemies and we are in danger of attack.
        And we ourselves are the internal enemies - we live and do not protest against the bureaucratic vertical of power, which acts on the principle "I can do whatever I want."
        1. Victor-M
          Victor-M 30 November 2013 20: 31
          +3
          "Goochе 2"
          You lady in your personal life probably unlucky? Try it with a guest worker from Central Asia, there are a lot of non-drinkers among them, and judging by your previous comments, you like them. Hello dear! lol
          1. Gooch v. 2
            Gooch v. 2 2 December 2013 07: 11
            -2
            Quote: Victor-M
            You lady in your personal life probably unlucky? Try it with a guest worker from Central Asia, there are a lot of non-drinkers among them, and judging by your previous comments, you like them. Hello dear!

            whoa whoa man, palehche, greetings be at a gay club to pass, it's not me, and that in fact the eternally pots.reotishki Gay uneven breathing, they say, in Europe, America, some gay, poor Russians isperezhivalis gay is gourmet.
            1. Genera
              Genera 2 December 2013 09: 57
              0
              Of course we are worried, suddenly they will begin to beat their faces there without us. And if they start without us, then we will worry even more about the fact that we are suddenly late.
              1. Gooch v. 2
                Gooch v. 2 2 December 2013 10: 09
                -1
                Quote: Genera
                Of course we are worried, suddenly they will begin to beat their faces there without us. And if they start without us, then we will worry even more about the fact that we are suddenly late.

                I don’t know about you, but personally, gays do not bother me, none, neither Russian nor foreign.) I don’t care who is where and how, in what places, what the hell is that bothering you like that? and why should someone beat the muzzle?)
        2. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 1 December 2013 13: 53
          +3
          Gooch v. 2, but do not have your own thoughts? Or not enough? Or are you afraid of something?
          1. Gooch v. 2
            Gooch v. 2 2 December 2013 07: 12
            -2
            Quote: 11111mail.ru
            and you don’t have your own thoughts? Or not enough? Or are you afraid of something?

            wai I’m afraid, I’m afraid, the boh will punish, Kiryusha Gundyaev will not put a candle for me, bayus
            1. 11111mail.ru
              11111mail.ru 2 December 2013 20: 58
              +2
              Quote: Gooch v.2
              I fear boh will punish

              Try starting Yahweh with a lowercase letter. Will your hand tremble?
              1. Gooch v. 2
                Gooch v. 2 3 December 2013 05: 57
                0
                Quote: 11111mail.ru
                Try starting Yahweh with a lowercase letter. Will your hand tremble?

                Yahweh, Jesus, Allah, Buddha? What should lightning strike me now? Or is a god from the heavenly office sitting on the Internet and looking for dissidents?
      5. yurii p
        yurii p 30 November 2013 22: 47
        +3
        when neighbors or others present you with "claims" you will inevitably want to have at least a "mount" with you, and mind the incomprehensible "claims", apparently you are not in Russia and not a Russian, I do not want every rooster to tell me when to crow, so I am ready to endure so that I have this "mount" and frighten others, when there is no strength, you are a weakling and they wipe their feet on you.
      6. Combitor
        Combitor 1 December 2013 00: 03
        -1
        discard RU Today, 09:52 ↑, I see you, too, were bombarded with "minuses". They were stuffed to me above the roof. What, you can do, putinoid hamsters don't like when the point of view of others is different from theirs - the Kholui point of view.
        I want to supplement my comment, which is higher -
        "The Cabinet of Ministers adopted a draft resolution, according to which it will reduce federal budget spending from 3,66 to 3 billion rubles for monthly payments of benefits to families at the birth of their third and subsequent children, but under the age of three, the relevant information is posted on the website of the Cabinet of Ministers of the Russian Federation on Friday." Interfax.
        short exposure -
        “In the next" three years "the salaries of federal officials - civil servants - will increase significantly. In the draft federal budget for 2014-2016, 135 billion rubles are allocated for this. According to First Deputy Finance Minister Tatyana Nesterenko, who is quoted by the media, by 2018 the salary of federal civil servants will increase 2,6 times and exceed the average for the economy by 1,7 times. The Ministry of Finance confirmed this>.
        "Russian newspaper".
        So where are our "enemies"?
        Who else has not "minus" me there?
        1. builder
          builder 1 December 2013 00: 11
          +1
          Any opinion different from yours you call Kholuy. And you call your opponents "putinoid hamsters". And at the same time you are surprised that you are being minus. It hurts to stand on your own wink fasten yourself.
          1. complete zero
            complete zero 1 December 2013 08: 44
            +1
            Yes, you don’t have to minus it, plus it, a man is offended by something and is ready to blame at least someone for his problems
            1. Combitor
              Combitor 1 December 2013 11: 47
              -1
              <complete zero RU Today, 08:44>, "offended", apparently - it's you. I never "minus" anyone. The person expressed his opinion, if he agrees - put "+", if not - I scroll further. So which of us is more tolerant of opponents? And "pluses" I myself do not earn enthusiastic comments about the Kremlin wagon driver. Although I could easily write such comments ... I express my personal opinion. And those who stuffed me with minuses are the most putinoid hamsters. They are ready to break for their idol. By the way, there is one clever guy deliberately distorted my nickname and crossed it out. Ask smart people what a "combitor" is. If there are none among your acquaintances, ask me - I will explain later.
        2. complete zero
          complete zero 1 December 2013 08: 42
          +2
          Well, where did you get the idea, dear, that people who give Putin an objective assessment and noting his positive qualities (they even admit that they are outspoken enemies) are his "lackeys")))) PS-I'll make a reservation right away, I don't consider myself to be Putin's supporters, but nevertheless, his services to Russia are not so small ... I will not minus all the benefits "do not lack"))))
      7. bear
        bear 1 December 2013 20: 41
        +3
        discard ↑
        When our president reminds us of NATO inappropriately and out of place, when they constantly show us the building up of the power of our millionth army, when 20% of the state budget is allocated annually for the maintenance and rearmament of our millionth army, then, naturally, the population has the opinion that we surrounded by enemies and we are in danger of attack.
        And we ourselves are the internal enemies - we live and do not protest against the bureaucratic vertical of power, which acts on the principle "I can do whatever I want."

        I agree with you about officials, but Putin is obliged to talk about external threats of explosives.
        And these threats to regret are becoming more real.
    5. atalef
      atalef 30 November 2013 11: 09
      -16 qualifying.
      Why has the number of Russians, who believe that Russia has enemies, increased dramatically?

      Well, for this it was not necessary to conduct surveys. just follow the comments in VO --- the leitmotif is the same
      Enemies, Fifth Column, EU, Shtaty, recently read the comment of the respected Ascetic about the fact that Serdyukov and Smirnova are Jews laughing
      It’s just that people see - time goes on, sort of * stability *, the same old ladies as a lot - from the Olympics, the World Cup, ASTECs, etc. the sea is wasted - but life doesn’t improve somehow (as you would like) - who to blame - of course, external enemies - After all, you cannot name Internal - all power converges on one person, and a good king is in blood.
      1. askort154
        askort154 30 November 2013 11: 29
        10
        atalef .. but life doesn’t improve (as I would like) - who is to blame - of course, external enemies ...

        Everything is relative. Life does not improve in relation to what?
        1. atalef
          atalef 30 November 2013 11: 51
          -8
          Quote: askort154
          Everything is relative. Life does not improve in relation to what?

          Do not go into empty Baltology and do not start comparing with the indicators of 1914, you perfectly understand what I'm talking about. Moreover, what I said --- these are all your words. (not specifically yours, but the Russians)
          1. askort154
            askort154 30 November 2013 12: 44
            12
            ATALEF .... Do not go into empty Baltology and do not start comparing with the indicators of 1914, you perfectly understand what I'm talking about. Moreover, what I said --- these are all your words. (not specifically yours, but the Russians)

            Well, first of all, in the Russian language there is a word BOLTOLOGIYA, maybe on a Jewish accent it sounds like "baltology", then these are your problems.
            Secondly, I asked you a specific question! In response, I heard a flood, moreover, illiterate. I give the opportunity to correct myself and answer my previously asked question, specifically: What period of Russian life (let me remind you that 2013 is now) is your opus comparison that life in Russia has become worse?
            1. atalef
              atalef 30 November 2013 13: 44
              -3
              Quote: askort154
              Well, first of all, in the Russian language there is a word BOLTOLOGIYA, maybe on a Jewish accent it sounds like "baltology",

              Here I am about this --- do not go to Boltology. more specifically - you know, I like to operate with facts - are they pleasant or not

              Quote: askort154
              Everything is relative. Life does not improve in relation to what?

              this is this question
              Please - life does not improve to that extent. how could it be in relation to those years and the sums that seemed to be spent on this.

              Quote: askort154
              ! In response, I heard a flood, moreover, illiterate.

              Flood? In what? Want a specific answer, put a specific question - where should there be at least a time frame or the point from which to compare

              Quote: askort154
              What period of Russian life (let me remind you that 2013 is now) is your opus comparison, that life in Russia has become worse?

              I didn’t say worse, I’ve been to Russia and I have something to compare, life has become unambiguously better compared to 2000 - I’m just saying that improvements are extremely slow, fragmented by region and, of course, extremely far from the sums that Russia earns and sort of like it should invest in its citizens
              One example. why the health budget is constantly decreasing and amounts to 3,3% of GDP. if in developed countries it is at least 13%.
              Is there no money? Are the people healthier? Or another reason. I about it. hi
              1. askort154
                askort154 30 November 2013 14: 18
                +7
                atalef ... from me about this --- do not go to Boltology. more specifically - you know, I like to operate with facts - are they pleasant or not

                Darling, you will go over our debate again from the very beginning.
                To my specific question: - "Everything is relative. Life does not improve in relation to what?" You answered with the purest flood. And you accuse me of boltology ?!
                At the same time, you declare your commitment to specifics. You contradict yourself. I'm not interested in discussing with you anymore.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 30 November 2013 15: 24
                  -1
                  Quote: askort154
                  "Everything is relative. Life is not improving in relation to what?" You answered with the purest flood. And you accuse me of boltology ?!

                  If you do not understand the answer, sorry.
                  By the way - everything is relative, in relation to what? Regarding Zimbabwe, the whole world simply lives in complete communism.
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 30 November 2013 13: 45
        +9
        Quote: atalef
        who is to blame - of course external enemies

        well stop interfering with one another

        theft in Russia, unfortunately, is enough, and the problems not related to NATO and Israel are the same, but with all this, the Russian Federation is a guest in the throat for the Western world and I think there are still plans for an attack on the Russian Federation in safes
        1. atalef
          atalef 30 November 2013 15: 28
          0
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          theft in Russia is unfortunately enough and the problems not related to NATO and Israel are the same

          I think they are much larger than Russia's problems with Israel - if any

          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          but with all this, the Russian Federation is a guest in the throat for the Western world and

          Of course, like the West in the throat of Russia - a war of ideologies

          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          attack plans for the Russian Federation I think in safes still exist

          Of course. as in the Russian General Staff attack of the West.
          This is clear . why then, in general, the army. blocks. spheres of influence. Everyone wants to live better and preferably at someone else's expense. hi
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 30 November 2013 15: 41
            +8
            the problem is that initially from the end of World War II, it was not Russia that began the confrontation, it did not begin to create blocs and divide the world into right and left, after all, it was not our nuclear missiles in Venezuela but American in Italy.
            1. atalef
              atalef 30 November 2013 15: 51
              -4
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              The problem is that since the end of World War II, it was not Russia that began the confrontation, it did not begin to create blocs and divide the world into right and left, after all, it was not our nuclear missiles in Venezuela but American in Italy.

              Blocks were, are and will be and it does not matter who, when and where. Take it as reality, like that. that if you didn’t organize the block first, it makes you neither good nor bad.
              It doesn’t play any role at all - it’s the constants of the equation, so to speak - you won’t be able to change them, but you only have to be content with playing with variables hi
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 30 November 2013 16: 41
                13
                I like that the blocs against Russia are normal, but the fact that the citizens of this same Russia perceive the countries included in these blocs as enemies is abnormal.
                sorry, but your tricks have aisles? !!!!
                1. atalef
                  atalef 30 November 2013 16: 50
                  0
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  but the fact that the citizens of this same Russia perceive the countries included in these blocs as enemies is abnormal.
                  sorry, but your tricks have aisles? !!!!

                  I do not quite understand your comment. Do you consider Germany, Cyprus and Greece to be the enemy?
                  They are like the same in NATO. Why then do Russian citizens keep money in Cyprus offshore? Sell ​​gas to Germany? Are you going to rest in Turkey and Greece? Buying property in Spain and the USA?
                  As an Israeli and a citizen of Russia, neither Greece to NATO bothers me more, and the supply of Russian weapons falling into the hands of Hezbollah and Hamas - from which Russian citizens die, including - is there a double moral? And who?
                  1. SV
                    SV 30 November 2013 21: 00
                    +1
                    Well, NATO is primarily the United States. many countries, in my opinion, including those listed in NATO, have more selfish interests: less defense money, for example, the use of partner’s resources (one airplane patrols the airspace of several states at once), and it’s easier and safer to stake out a piece of foreign land ...
                    yes, and assessing someone as a likely adversary and confronting someone is different things (India-China).
                    and, not talking to the West about morality, the West has lost its conscience and honor a long time ago (read the story and evaluate the realities). not Russia has destabilized the Middle East, even rather the world as a whole. it’s difficult to name a country that is now not reequipping priority (except that your favorite Zimbabwe, and then because there is no money) - guess whose merit is it?
                  2. Captain45
                    Captain45 30 November 2013 23: 04
                    +3
                    Quote: atalef
                    To me as an Israeli and a citizen of Russia

                    Dear, would you decide who you are, an Israeli or a citizen of Russia? I don’t want to repeat what’s hackneyed, but all the same: either remove the cross, or put on your underpants! A Jew may be a citizen of Russia, but an Israeli, that is, a citizen of the State of Israel, this is nonsense! Or are you a double-barreled gun?
                    1. Apollo
                      Apollo 30 November 2013 23: 16
                      +4


                      Quote: Captain45
                      Would you, dear, decide who you are, an Israeli or a citizen of Russia?


                  3. 11111mail.ru
                    11111mail.ru 1 December 2013 14: 02
                    0
                    Quote: atalef
                    To me as an Israeli and a citizen of Russia

                    Double citizenship? Double-headedness = doublethink = double morality.
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 30 November 2013 15: 41
            +5
            the problem is that initially from the end of World War II, it was not Russia that began the confrontation, it did not begin to create blocs and divide the world into right and left, after all, it was not our nuclear missiles in Venezuela but American in Italy.
          3. Pinochet000
            Pinochet000 30 November 2013 17: 06
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            Everyone wants to live better and preferably at someone else's expense

            That is, to parasitize?
            Quote: atalef
            This is clear . and why then in general the army. blocks. spheres of influence.

            Army to defend the homeland, we do not need someone else ...
            1. atalef
              atalef 30 November 2013 17: 21
              0
              Quote: Pinochet000
              That is, to parasitize?

              You know, there is the harsh truth of life. if you drop the falsehood and the pretense
              Better to be rich and healthy. than poor and sick. young - than old. beautiful - than scary, smart - than stupid
              Better to work less and earn more - than vice versa
              1. Pinochet000
                Pinochet000 30 November 2013 19: 03
                +4
                Quote: atalef
                Better to be rich and healthy. than poor and sick. young - than old. beautiful - than scary, smart - than stupid
                Well these are obvious things, the slogans are practically
                Quote: atalef
                Better to work less and earn more - than vice versa

                In the framework of modern (Jewish, no offense) civilization, this is so.
                Many people (acquaintances, friends) hate their work, but they cannot change it for various reasons .... of course, it’s better not to go to such work at all, but to receive money ... We must change the vector of development of Russian civilization in the Russian way ... well there to put people in their places, piz..bolov, clowns and other elite to catch the fuck, can take? they are of your nationality mainly, the rest of the sympathizers will come in handy, we’ve already got rid of it ..
              2. Genera
                Genera 2 December 2013 10: 10
                +1
                Again, liberal values ​​(we think only about ourselves). So a joke for a red word: A new teacher comes to class:
                - My name is Abram Davidovich, I am a liberal. And now all get up in turns and introduce yourself just like me ...
                - My name is Masha, I am a liberal ...
                - My name is Stepa, I am a liberal ...
                - I am Little Johnny, I'm a Stalinist.
                - Little Johnny, why are you Stalinist ?! !
                - My mother is Stalinist, my father is Stalinist, my friends are Stalinists, and I, too, are Stalinist.
                “Little Vovochka, if your mom were a prostitute, your dad was a drug addict, and your friends were pi% arams, who would you be then ?!” !
                - Then I would be a liberal.
              3. Petrix
                Petrix 2 December 2013 10: 28
                0
                Quote: atalef
                Better to work less and earn more - than vice versa

                Everything rests in measure and environmental conditions.
                You can only work less when another works MORE for you. Earn more when another gives part to you.
                Therefore, let's add the phrase: "It is better to work less and earn more NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHERS - than vice versa."
                Now think about how to achieve this without parasitism? No way. In life without deception, we see a different logic: The more you work, the more you earn!
          4. Victor-M
            Victor-M 30 November 2013 21: 01
            +3
            Quote: atalef
            Of course, like the West in the throat of Russia - a war of ideologies

            Yes, Obama is also now an enemy for Israel, instead of helping Israel pull the thorn out of the latter’s pants, he threw another one. Well done - Obama, finally realized where the dog rummaged. love
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      4. shuhartred
        shuhartred 30 November 2013 16: 53
        +3
        And here we are not looking for the guilty, by the way, this is your prerogative. The conversation is only for the fact that there are enemies or not. I believe Russia certainly has external enemies, but I am not saying that they are to blame for our internal problems.
      5. Victor-M
        Victor-M 30 November 2013 20: 47
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        that Serdyukov and Smirnova are Jews laughing

        Who knows, and indeed whether they are purebred Jews, then, like other nationalities, everything is mixed up, so you can ironize further, it is possible that it is above itself.
        1. Asgard
          Asgard 30 November 2013 20: 58
          +6
          Jews are obtained after 40 years of walking in the desert and after 5 years of visiting the synagogue ...
          In all other cases, these are swindlers who live by the herd principle and deceit ....

          There are two categories in the world: People and non-People (humanoid))
          Some Work, move science, do not climb churches, and when they die -We remember them ....
          And there are Organized groups, not without the help of "third forces" are working to destroy People as a species .... and they will be dealt with (later)) they violated the laws of karma, unfortunately))))

          If Serdyukov will die his death, then I do not understand anything in this life)))))
          1. Victor-M
            Victor-M 30 November 2013 21: 06
            +2
            Quote: Asgard
            Jews get after 40 years of walking in the desert

            It is more likely that any country will get a desert, after walking on it this "nice" people.
      6. SSR
        SSR 30 November 2013 21: 34
        +2
        There is no Tsar, there are interest groups, and so 90% of these people are hustlers and usurers, and they are purple with ordinary people, there is only their interest and that's it. By the way, Paul the First was "promoted" by the boyars' entourage, and then it was 1812.
      7. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 1 December 2013 13: 56
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        After all, do not name

        What do you consider yourself to be? To internal or external?
    6. SHILO
      SHILO 30 November 2013 15: 24
      14
      10 times you need to think about which enemies are more dangerous - internal or external. what
      1. alone
        alone 30 November 2013 22: 59
        +4
        Judging by the photographs, then the external one-two and miscalculated. But as for the internal ones, the list is impressive.
        1. SHILO
          SHILO 1 December 2013 00: 06
          0
          Quote: lonely
          Judging by the photographs, then the external one-two and miscalculated. But as for the internal ones, the list is impressive.


          This is a subjective-schematic selection. The main message is not in the number of those or other individuals, but in their placement on one field. hi
        2. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 1 December 2013 14: 05
          0
          Quote: lonely
          what about the internal

          These sit closer, stink more!
          1. Petrix
            Petrix 2 December 2013 10: 34
            0
            Quote: 11111mail.ru
            These sit closer, stink more!

            Yes. The betrayal of the internal is much more painful than the aggression of the external. Therefore, it seems that there are more enemies inside.
    7. Corsair
      Corsair 30 November 2013 22: 02
      +4
      Quote: bomg.77
      Why has the number of Russians, who believe that Russia has enemies, increased dramatically?

      The veil fell from his eyes.
    8. yurii p
      yurii p 30 November 2013 22: 26
      +2
      wiser, the slogan "the West will help us" is no longer valid.
    9. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 1 December 2013 02: 33
      +4
      History repeatedly proves that the image of an external enemy is always created by a targeted policy from above, in order to distract the public from internal problems, and to justify any morally controversial actions of the government or the military. This is just part of the BIG GAME of the powerful in the redistribution of resources, influence and power in a conscious society. Beginning in ancient Rome, Caesars and the Senate intimidated citizens with the threat of barbarians to justify the conquests, for the seizure of territories and slaves, while often - even the most barbarians did not even know about the existence of the Roman Empire until the legions appeared at the gates of their settlements. Nothing new has appeared in a couple of thousand years.
      1. cumastra1
        cumastra1 1 December 2013 15: 03
        0
        Why do Russians think that enemies are around? It’s just that there was euphoria in the country for some time (remember a new way of thinking) - there are friends all around, nobody needs our territories, they were in vain afraid and armed in vain. This euphoria - hysteria was artificially supported by the elite of the USSR in order to divide the country into specific principalities. Shared. Gradually, the euphoria began to pass, people's eyes began to open .... It turns out that our territories are needed - the Arctic, for example, about the islands in general ... you don’t even need to specify what kind of islands, and wealth should be given uncle’s oil, gas, and yourself go to well that's all
      2. cumastra1
        cumastra1 1 December 2013 15: 03
        0
        Why do Russians think that enemies are around? It’s just that there was euphoria in the country for some time (remember a new way of thinking) - there are friends all around, nobody needs our territories, they were in vain afraid and armed in vain. This euphoria - hysteria was artificially supported by the elite of the USSR in order to divide the country into specific principalities. Shared. Gradually, the euphoria began to pass, people's eyes began to open .... It turns out that our territories are needed - the Arctic, for example, about the islands in general ... you don’t even need to specify what kind of islands, and wealth should be given uncle’s oil, gas, and yourself go to well that's all
      3. Stanislas
        Stanislas 1 December 2013 17: 23
        0
        Quote: And Us Rat
        the image of an external enemy is always created by a purposeful policy from above that would distract the public from internal problems, and justify any morally controversial actions of the government or the military
        Did I understand correctly that the image of such "enemies of Israel" as Hezbollah and Hamas was created to justify the construction of Israeli settlements in the Palestinian territories and the endless crimes of the IDF?
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        2. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 2 December 2013 00: 29
          +1
          Did I understand correctly


          No, not right, there is a huge difference between "supposedly enemies weaving a secret conspiracy behind their backs" and between enemies openly conducting hostilities.

          When they tell me that the geyropa is our enemy because it secretly wants to help the Arabs to destroy Israel, I consider this a little nonsense, and when Hamas, for example, takes responsibility for killing children ...
          Terrorist attack at the Dolphi Disco

          Or shelling from an ATGM of a Russian-made bus with schoolchildren ...

          As for the "crimes" of the IDF, I can only wish you more of these neighbors: It treats lecimeria well. wink

    10. Dilshat
      Dilshat 2 December 2013 01: 07
      0
      Another 13% woke up. "He died without regaining consciousness." - Our people should not be like that!
  2. moskal68
    moskal68 30 November 2013 08: 08
    15
    Always did not believe that we have friends. There are partners, I believe in it. But Russia has no friends.
    1. AK-47
      AK-47 30 November 2013 08: 45
      11
      Quote: 68
      ... Russia has no friends.

      What about the army and navy?
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 30 November 2013 13: 57
        10
        Quote: AK-47
        What about the army and navy?

        these are parts of our body, you don’t call your friends hands, but they can cheat on adversaries
    2. Bigriver
      Bigriver 30 November 2013 09: 32
      +3
      Quote: 68
      Always did not believe that we have friends. There are partners, I believe in it. AND Russia has no friends.

      But can states have friends — other states?
      Does a supermarket chain within one city have a friendly other supermarket chain? wassat
      For example...
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 30 November 2013 14: 52
        +2
        Quote: BigRiver
        maybe a friendly other supermarket chain?

        Well, only if in a friendly way to round up the buyer
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      3. Nikolay D.
        Nikolay D. 1 December 2013 15: 21
        0
        Quote: BigRiver
        Does a supermarket chain within one city have a friendly other supermarket chain?
        For example...


        From the point of view of capitalism, where the main ideology is to fill the belly / pocket at the expense of another, and there, even though there is a flood, yes, we have no friends, because we are in the same political and economic formation as other "beasts". We were people, from 17 to 91, but the "fat uncles" were not ready to accept the fact that people live in their world "zoo", the result is known.
        So the postmodern definition of "man / state is an enemy to man / state" exists only within the framework that created capitalism, under socialism, real, and even more so under communism - each other.
    3. Altona
      Altona 30 November 2013 12: 40
      +7
      For example, I initially consider prohibitively rich people to be enemies. Otherwise, how would they become rich without outside support? Therefore, a bullet cries for every bourgeois ... This is the internal enemy of the Motherland ... But external enemies have always remained such, their white-toed predatory grin has never seemed to me a smile ...
      1. Altona
        Altona 30 November 2013 14: 25
        +1
        What was required to prove ... A quiet fan of crooks and thieves from the national bourgeoisie immediately minusanul me ... Easy provocation, and the enemy rushing for the barricades of the class struggle ... bully
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 30 November 2013 14: 44
        +2
        Quote: Altona
        For example, I initially consider prohibitively rich people to be enemies

        not very good wording, which means prohibitive, for grandmothers from a neighboring village and 100 thousand euros about extraordinary wealth
        1. Altona
          Altona 30 November 2013 15: 46
          +2
          Do you think the criteria of a grandmother from a neighboring village? And what is beyond wealth for you? That is, the presence of Abramovich, promissory notes, prokhorovyh you completely justify and believe in their effectiveness, believe in the purchase of unnecessary foreign assets in the form of basketball and football clubs? Personally, many citizens of the country really need this? We also need all sorts of offshore companies that collect money for the Anglo-Saxons and formally condemn them ... Mdaaa, you have turned off the lights in your village a long time ago, can you tell?
          1. atalef
            atalef 30 November 2013 15: 58
            +2
            Quote: Altona
            Do you think the criteria of a grandmother from a neighboring village? And what is beyond wealth for you? That is, the presence of Abramovich, promissory notes, prokhorovyh you completely justify and believe in their effectiveness

            I know that Potanin, Gates, Buffett and many other billionaires bequeathed 90% and above of their charity status. In America (and not only), a huge number of museums, concert halls and stadiums are built with the money of patrons. Therefore, a lot of money is neither always bad.
            were in the Tretyakov Gallery? And why is it called not interested?

            Quote: Altona
            Further, Mr. Vasilenko ... Here Mikhail Prokhorov was engaged in the E-Mobile project ... Where is this project now and did it bring anything?

            Yes, but this is his personal money. but the Olympics, ASTEC. Skolkovo and credit to Venezuela --- your taxes

            Quote: Altona
            .. The money that Prokhorov operates would have been enough for other necessary things and job creation, and not for the purchase of overgrown blacks ...

            Again - this is his money, you understand. your money would be enough to make a couple of villages in Zimbabwe happy for the rest of your life - but they are yours and you spend them as you see fit and are not required to report to anyone. The budget is a completely different matter - it’s your taxes that the people you choose spend — it means elementary responsibility and control with the report.
            1. Altona
              Altona 30 November 2013 16: 06
              +6
              How to understand "his money"? Money legitimized by the gangster privatization of the 90s? That is, he himself built all the plants that were unjustly privatized? Why are you rubbing your trick about private property on me? Even without your Israeli opinion, I know who has whose money, and taxes, and everything else ... This is not his money, no need to la-la and your Odessa philosophy ... I'm talking about something completely different ...
              1. atalef
                atalef 30 November 2013 16: 24
                0
                Quote: Altona
                How to understand "his money"?

                Very simple - not yours

                Quote: Altona
                Money legitimized by gangster privatization of the 90s? T

                25 years ago - you can forget that someone has already lowered this money in a casino for a long time.
                And he builds, holds factories - pays salaries.

                Quote: Altona
                Even without your Israeli opinion, I know who has whose money, and taxes, and everything else ... It’s not his money,

                His !!!
                Not yours or even mine - although in the early 90s I also lived in Russia.
                1. Altona
                  Altona 30 November 2013 16: 27
                  +4
                  25 years ago - you can forget that someone has already lowered this money in a casino for a long time.
                  And he builds, holds factories - pays salaries.
                  --------------------------
                  A great achievement to date ....
                2. Altona
                  Altona 30 November 2013 16: 29
                  +3
                  His !!!
                  Not yours or even mine - although in the early 90s I also lived in Russia.
                  ---------------------------
                  Do you think that it is, I believe that it is national and it is not necessary la-la ... 25 years for restitution is not a period at all, for some cases. including the statute of limitations for privatization yet ... So it's not for you to judge "him, not him" ...
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 30 November 2013 16: 36
                    0
                    Quote: Altona
                    Do you think that his, I believe that the nationwide

                    Well then we are not struggling with modern cuts - budget money today - they are even more popular.

                    Quote: Altona
                    25 years for restitution is not a deadline at all, for some cases. including the privatization period of limitation is not yet available.

                    what about your post
                    Altona (1) SU Today, 16:25 ↑
                    ..My relatives also died and much more ... They don’t cry about the lost, as Jews do about pharmacies nationalized after 1917 ...

                    I think who is crying about the dough, it's you. And constantly
                    Quote: Altona
                    ..So it's not for you to judge "him, not him" ...

                    laughing
                    1. Altona
                      Altona 30 November 2013 17: 37
                      +2
                      I think who is crying about the dough, it's you. And constantly
                      _________________________
                      Why not cry? Moreover, I'm not saying that this loot should be poured into me ... I do not pretend to it ... I can certainly make fun of Israel, poor in nature, and the fact that Moses took the Jews to completely empty areas from the deposits, but This is a topic hackneyed as your theses ... If you lived in Russia, as you claim, you should know that the country of Russia is large and the resources in it are unevenly distributed, and for the development of the country it is necessary to create a flow of capital from rich areas to poor ones like Chuvashia, where I live ... But for a miserable territory like Israel, this is unknown ... That's what I'm crying about, "you are smart, our representative of the" chosen "people" ... By the way. my classmate Edik lives in Haifa, the day is outrageous, but the man is not bad ..)))
                      1. atalef
                        atalef 30 November 2013 19: 44
                        0
                        Quote: Altona
                        why not cry? Moreover, I'm not saying that this loot should be dumped to me.

                        That is why you cry and pretend, otherwise I would not try so

                        Quote: Altona
                        Of course, I can humble myself over Israel, which is naturally poor, and the fact that Moses led the Jews to areas completely empty from deposits

                        Well, fast and over GDP per capita fast and over carrots and other agricultural products. Post products from Israel sold in the Russian Federation - or cry

                        Quote: Altona
                        that Russia is a large country and the resources in it are unevenly distributed, and for the development of the country it is necessary to create an overflow of capital from rich areas to poor ones like Chuvashia, where I live.

                        Actually, this is easier for us, there are no minerals, we don’t need to transfer capital - if you want a recipe, you need to work a lot

                        Quote: Altona
                        By the way. my classmate Edik lives in Haifa, a dull day, but a good guy ..)))

                        Well ? I met a lot of fools, and Edika was among them the same - maybe your classmate among them laughing
            2. Altona
              Altona 30 November 2013 16: 09
              +4
              Charity is the usual bourgeois crap about anything, I don’t need to poke it ... And I don’t need to tell me what I know better than you, including about the budget and taxes, I say about the unfair distribution of national wealth and withdrawal most of it among the population under the guise of finding effective managers and other smokescreens ...
              1. Gooch v. 2
                Gooch v. 2 30 November 2013 16: 15
                -7
                Quote: Altona
                Charity is the usual bourgeois hell about anything, I don’t need to poke it ...
                1. Altona
                  Altona 30 November 2013 18: 34
                  +6
                  Okay, I will decipher such a beautiful concept as CHARITY ... Residents of the megalopolis perceive charity as a cheap sale or distribution of free gingerbread in the name of a "bright idea" ... Then remember that for some reason our Arctic drilling textbooks with lies about our history and the Great Patriotic War, "charitable" send untested vaccines and expired food made from incomprehensible ingredients to African tribes ... This is also charity ... In general, "benefactors" do "good" for free to promote and warm up later investments for dubious projects ... Under the revival of which thread of Alpine owls they will hold a charity concert, then they will build a plant for the production of some medicines ... They will say that when you buy medicines, you help owls ... There will be three owls, and they will sell medicines millions of people ... That's all charity ... The cost of the concert is 50 million, the cost is drugs, 50 billion ... That's all charity, nothing personal ...
                  1. Gooch v. 2
                    Gooch v. 2 2 December 2013 07: 17
                    0
                    Quote: Altona
                    Okay, I’ll decipher such a beautiful concept as CHARITY ... Residents of the megalopolis perceive charity as a giveaway or giving away free gingerbread in the name of a "bright idea" ..

                    ko ko, stupid Americans and geyropeytsy do not understand anything in charity, ko ko, we have to collect money to help flood victims on TV.

                    Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation (Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation) - $ 37.1 billion
                    Stichting INGKA Foundation - $ 36 billion
                    Wellcome Trust - $ 22.90 billion. £ 14.5 billion. (GBP)
                    Howard Hughes Medical Institute - $ 16.1 billion
                    Ford Foundation - $ 13.8 billion
                    1. Genera
                      Genera 2 December 2013 10: 15
                      0
                      Is she really chicken?
            3. Altona
              Altona 30 November 2013 16: 13
              +6
              here is the Olympics, ASTEC. Skolkovo and credit to Venezuela --- your taxes
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              The Olympics and Skolkovo are exactly the same private projects, but with a big drain from the budget ... So do not confuse flies and cutlets ... Stalin did not have enterprises, but the country was developing in the right direction, albeit with a number of costs .. So conscience is also good ... As for the Tretyakov Gallery, what can I say? Compared to the average German museum, this is nothing ...
              1. Gooch v. 2
                Gooch v. 2 30 November 2013 16: 17
                -5
                Quote: Altona
                Stalin did not have enterprises, but the country was developing in the right direction, albeit with a number of costs ...

                old man in the yard what year? century? what is Stalin? lol will you go to the glory of the father of nations with a pickax to pedor the breed somewhere in the mountains of Transbaikalia? :)
                1. Altona
                  Altona 30 November 2013 16: 21
                  +5
                  My friend, you pedor to the glory of a private trader, and don’t buzz, run around on sales, look for a side job ... You have the flag in your hands ...
                  1. Gooch v. 2
                    Gooch v. 2 30 November 2013 16: 28
                    -3
                    Quote: Altona
                    My friend, you pedor to the glory of a private trader, and don’t buzz, run around on sales, look for a side job ... You have the flag in your hands ...

                    (.............)deleted by moderator) you can’t say something about the faces of these guys that they like to work for a state-owned enterprise, to the glory of Stalin and Co.
                    1. Altona
                      Altona 30 November 2013 16: 33
                      12
                      (deleted by the moderator). you can’t say something about the faces of these guys that they like to work for a state-owned enterprise, to the glory of Stalin and Co.
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                      So pedor next, who's stopping you? And why should I poke photos of 70 years ago? In the same way, pedorized to the glory of Roosevelt and Co., to the glory of Hitler and Co. ... The era was such a terrible one, with costs ... We did not have enough sausages not only ...
                      1. Gooch v. 2
                        Gooch v. 2 30 November 2013 16: 41
                        -4
                        Quote: Altona
                        So pedor next, who's stopping you? And why should I poke photos of 70 years ago? In the same way, pedorized to the glory of Roosevelt and Co., to the glory of Hitler and Co. ... The era was such a terrible one, with costs ... We did not have enough sausages not only ...

                        Yes, nothing prevents, the benefit of people with this kind of views, like you, no one takes seriously, because your logic implies a complete lack of private property, such as taking everything away.
                      2. Altona
                        Altona 30 November 2013 17: 30
                        +7
                        Yes, nothing prevents, the benefit of people with this kind of views, like you, no one takes seriously, because your logic implies a complete lack of private property, such as taking everything away.
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                        And who takes you seriously? What are you seriously represent or do you seem to be such behind the keyboard? I didn’t talk about the complete absence of private property, and even more so about “taking away and dividing” ... It was just others who took it away and divided it up without our knowledge in 1990-1994, so I don’t need to attribute someone else's ...
                      3. 11111mail.ru
                        11111mail.ru 1 December 2013 14: 28
                        +1
                        Gooch v. 2, you, as always, distort.

                        Quote: Gooch v.2
                        your logic implies a complete lack of private property, such as taking everything away, sharing everything.


                        20 years have passed after the pyrrhic victory of your ideological masters in Russia. What heights has reached the Russian Federation with the new masters of life? These are effective managers for transferring foreign exchange reserves of Russia abroad!
                        By what "overwhelming labor" and "brilliant brains" did the Yeltsin fosterlings become the owners of "factories, factories, newspapers, ships"?
                        Perhaps you have already reversed Marx's conclusion about the contradiction between the social character of labor and its private capitalist appropriation? So publish brilliant thoughts ...!
                      4. Gooch v. 2
                        Gooch v. 2 2 December 2013 07: 21
                        -1
                        Quote: 11111mail.ru
                        20 years have passed after the pyrrhic victory of your ideological masters in Russia. What heights has reached the Russian Federation with the new masters of life? These are effective managers for transferring foreign exchange reserves of Russia abroad!
                        By what "overwhelming labor" and "brilliant brains" did the Yeltsin fosterlings become the owners of "factories, factories, newspapers, ships"?
                        Perhaps you have already reversed Marx's conclusion about the contradiction between the social character of labor and its private capitalist appropriation? So publish brilliant thoughts ...!

                        I publish, of course, Americans, Caucasians and Europeans are to blame for everything.
                        any problem can always be blamed on the machinations of "some" Americans. It's like the devil for medieval people, the cow died, the devil is to blame. There are agents of the West (they used to be called witches, sorcerers, accomplices of the devil) now they play the role of spies for America, they seek to disrupt the peaceful harmony of our stable society. But you, as a Russian patriot, drink putinki, kiss the portrait of the president and, after praying, go to bed!
                      5. Petrix
                        Petrix 2 December 2013 11: 01
                        0
                        Quote: Gooch v.2
                        But you, as a Russian patriot, drink Putin's kisses on the portrait of the president and pray to go to bed!

                        You, as struck by the information weapon of Western propaganda, are an agent of the West. Unfortunately, there are enough people who allegedly think on their own.
                        The "fault" of the patriots of Russia is that they are gullible by nature and believe until the last moment that the enemy will come to his senses. But when there's nowhere to retreat, it's over. And the enemy cannot stop, maintain the status quo, but climbs and climbs until he gets rid of it again. But due to the mercy of a Russian man, he will not be finished off again, but will be left for re-education.
                        How many times before it happened.
                      6. 11111mail.ru
                        11111mail.ru 2 December 2013 20: 52
                        0
                        Quote: Gooch v.2
                        But you, as a Russian patriot, drink Putin's kisses on the portrait of the president and pray to go to bed!

                        Punctuation in a simple sentence is too strong for you?
                        Then I will answer your fenyu: a patriot is an abusive word only in the mouth of people like you; I consider your proposal for the use of the drink you mentioned as a hidden advertisement of it; I, as a Russian patriot, will pray for the icon of the Savior, and you on a plastic card; accepting a horizontal position, it’s called in Russian “GOING TO Sleep” I guess something pops up in my memory and I lie down to lie down ... And I’ll also end without commas. They are not needed in communication with people like you.
                      7. Gooch v. 2
                        Gooch v. 2 3 December 2013 06: 00
                        0
                        Quote: 11111mail.ru
                        Punctuation in a simple sentence is too strong for you?
                        Then I will answer your fenyu: a patriot is an abusive word only in the mouth of people like you; I consider your proposal for the use of the drink you mentioned as a hidden advertisement of it; I, as a Russian patriot, will pray for the icon of the Savior, and you on a plastic card; accepting a horizontal position, it’s called in Russian “GOING TO Sleep” I guess something pops up in my memory and I lie down to lie down ... And I’ll also end without commas. They are not needed in communication with people like you.

                        Are you a gram of the Nazi?)
                        Well, continue in the same spirit, pray to the icons, punish the damned bourgeois with the righteous God's word. )
                2. Petrix
                  Petrix 2 December 2013 10: 44
                  0
                  Quote: Gooch v.2
                  the benefit of people with this kind of views, as you have, no one takes seriously

                  I take it seriously. Look at the "+" and "-", calm down and do not answer for everyone.
            4. Garrin
              Garrin 30 November 2013 16: 39
              0
              Quote: Gooch v.2
              ............................. deleted by the moderator).

              Nah ... but it may be right. Just do not forget that this salary can be easily changed for soldering. It’s like someone on top of the head wanders. request
              1. Gooch v. 2
                Gooch v. 2 30 November 2013 16: 45
                -5
                Quote: Garrin
                Not ... but it may be right. Just do not forget that this salary can be easily changed for soldering. It’s like someone on top of the head wanders.

                (........................................ deleted by the moderator), for Russian, mother, breaking through on buckwheat, with water, and eating black bread a week ago, as the friend suggests above. But the country will rise from its knees, infa completely.
              2. Garrin
                Garrin 30 November 2013 17: 36
                +6
                Quote: Gooch v.2
                you can pedor for the idea, for the Russian, mother, breaking through on buckwheat, with water, and eating black bread a week ago, as suggested by the comrade above. But the country will rise from its knees, infa completely.

                (......... deleted by the moderator)
                For example, I work in my place, while I try to honestly and conscientiously fulfill my duties for 20 years already (so far it turns out, contrary to everything and everything), but every day it becomes more and more difficult ....
          2. Altona
            Altona 30 November 2013 17: 54
            +3
            I like to work for a state enterprise, to the glory of Stalin and Co.
            ----------------------------
            And why do American guys like to work for the state police, for the state FBI, for the state NSA and the CIA, for the state army? What is Hollywood so shamelessly lying to us from TVs and movie theaters? No need to work for the state. in your opinion?
            1. Victor-M
              Victor-M 30 November 2013 21: 18
              +4
              Quote: Altona
              And why do American guys like to work for the state police, for the state FBI, for the state NSA and the CIA, for the state army? What is Hollywood so shamelessly lying to us from TVs and movie theaters? No need to work for the state. in your opinion?

              Here in Russia, for some "golden" characters, it is fashionable to work for those structures you have named, to "protect" democracy, but for their own country, this is called snitching and licking a dictatorial regime. Swamp prostitutes - one word. angry
            2. Gooch v. 2
              Gooch v. 2 2 December 2013 07: 22
              -1
              Quote: Altona
              And why do American guys like to work for the state police, for the state FBI, for the state NSA and the CIA, for the state army? What is Hollywood so shamelessly lying to us from TVs and movie theaters? No need to work for the state. in your opinion?

              the American guys have a form of government in the country - democracy (power of the people). Accordingly, the structures voiced by you are correlated by the masses.
          3. Genera
            Genera 2 December 2013 10: 20
            +1
            These are just those who 70 years ago were talking such nonsense. I will not be surprised if in 70 years, in the photo of this kind of you "Gooch v.2", our descendants will be considered.
            1. Gooch v. 2
              Gooch v. 2 2 December 2013 10: 40
              -1
              Quote: Genera
              These are just those who 70 years ago were talking such nonsense. I will not be surprised if in 70 years, in the photo of this kind of you "Gooch v.2", our descendants will be considered.

    4. atalef
      atalef 30 November 2013 16: 20
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      The Olympics and Skolkovo are exactly the same private projects, but with a big leak from the budget ... So do not confuse flies and cutlets.

      Of course private, then why haven’t they gone bankrupt yet? Who will pull the 50 billionth project. Well, if it’s private, then why profit - having spent 50 billion - they will want to at least beat back 100 --- why?

      Quote: Altona
      .Stalin did not have enterprises, but the country was developing in the right direction, albeit with a number of costs

      Well, if at this * cost * your relatives would die (like my great-grandfather) - you would not say that

      Quote: Altona
      . About the Tretyakov Gallery, what can I say? Compared to the average German museum, this is nothing ...

      Nothing or something? not quite clear.
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      2. Altona
        Altona 30 November 2013 16: 24
        +4
        Nothing or something? not quite clear.
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        Learn Russian ... Nothing is Zero ...
      3. Altona
        Altona 30 November 2013 16: 25
        +4
        Don’t poke me, Alalef ... My relatives have died too, and much more ... They don’t cry about the lost, as Jews do about pharmacies nationalized after 1917 ...
        1. atalef
          atalef 30 November 2013 16: 30
          +2
          Quote: Altona
          Don’t poke me, Alalef ..


          You know, I didn’t mean to offend, you are so you

          Quote: Altona
          . My relatives and many other things have also died.

          probably not

          Quote: Altona
          Do not cry about the lost

          About the lost no, about the lost relatives - yes. You are simply not mindful of kinship. I will not forget and do not forgive.
          1. Altona
            Altona 30 November 2013 16: 37
            +8
            Read my comments, I wrote about my relatives ... In order to "not forget and not forgive", you need to look at some things more objectively ... It's one thing if you get mixed up by the state, it's another if with a private person ... Here An Azeri moved my nephew and then his relatives got rid of him from prison for money ... So, should I forgive Azerbaijanis or not?
          2. Victor-M
            Victor-M 30 November 2013 21: 23
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            I will not forget and do not forgive.

            Who?
  3. shuhartred
    shuhartred 30 November 2013 17: 05
    0
    But can stolen money be considered your own?
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 30 November 2013 18: 18
      +2
      Quote: shuhartred
      But can stolen money be considered your own?

      But ask Serdyukov, Vasilyeva, Luzhkov, and others ... request
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  5. Captain45
    Captain45 30 November 2013 23: 19
    +3
    Quote: atalef
    I know that Potanin, Gates, Buffett and many other billionaires bequeathed 90% and above their charity

    Potanin bought in New York the world's largest white truffle for 95 thousand dollars
    15-10-2013
    Russian billionaire Vladimir Potanin bought the world's largest white truffle weighing 1,8 kilograms from an American restaurateur for $ 95, according to The New York Post. The owner of the Nello restaurant, located on Madison Avenue in New York, told reporters. Nello Balan, he sold the unique mushroom to the owner of Interros and the general director of Norilsk Nickel last Thursday.
    So, during the year that Potanin heads Norilsk Nickel, I have not seen him either in the mine or in the smelting shop. And for the truffle he paid my three-year salary at once. Only I did not see him next to me at work. So whose money is he paid for the truffle? Yours or those that I didn't pay in addition?
    And don't tell me who is leading the philanthropic campaign, The Giving Pledge. It seems to me that these are your fellow-believers. And therefore I will quote: "Can there be good from Nazareth?"
  6. stroporez
    stroporez 1 December 2013 09: 00
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    were in the Tretyakov Gallery? And why is it called not interested?
    - I don’t need to compare Tretyakov, Sandunov, Chernobrovts and others for whom Russia was primarily with the current ghouls .....
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 30 November 2013 16: 45
    0
    Quote: Altona
    Do you think the criteria of a grandmother from a neighboring village?

    You didn’t ask me personally. You threw a specific phrase and, accordingly, for some, the state earned by a neighbor and calluses can be prohibitive and, accordingly, lead to not very good consequences.
    1. Altona
      Altona 30 November 2013 18: 04
      +2
      the condition earned by the neighbor and corns can be transcendental and, accordingly, lead to not very good consequences
      --------------------------------
      Neighbors are also different and have different calluses ... There are neighbors who hire people, and then they are not paid in full, they agreed unofficially ... So if such neighbors "unofficially" receive facial corns, then this is by no means out of envy of their wealth, as they would later claim ...
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 30 November 2013 18: 34
        0
        Quote: Altona
        Neighbors are also different and with different corns

        excuse me, but enough, verbiage and the flow of thought can endlessly
        1. Altona
          Altona 30 November 2013 18: 41
          +1
          excuse me, but enough, verbiage and the flow of thought can endlessly
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          You yourself are verbally abusive and do not know what you want ... I will answer your questions ... If you did not understand the structure of the Soviet regime, then do not write nonsense ...
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 30 November 2013 18: 48
            0
            Quote: Altona
            ... If you did not understand the structure of Soviet power

            everyone mixed in a heap, money stolen, money earned, power structure.

            dear one more time, they tell you that a drunkard can consider the income of a hardworking neighbor as transcendental, and you again about the fact that the drunk did not pay extra.

            you stupidly ran into money, but money in itself is not evil.
            1. Altona
              Altona 30 November 2013 19: 01
              +1
              everyone mixed in a heap, money stolen, money earned, power structure.

              dear one more time, they tell you that a drunkard can consider the income of a hardworking neighbor as transcendental, and you again about the fact that the drunk did not pay extra.

              you stupidly ran into money, but money in itself is not evil.

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              I didn’t mix anything, unlike you ... You started a conversation about neighbors, drunks and hard workers, and it is unclear why ... About the fact that the drunks were not paid extra, I did not write, do not attribute to me your ignorance and limitation ... It’s you who stupidly ran into money, because apparently you don’t think about anything else ... So get out of Moscow and see where and how they live ...
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 30 November 2013 19: 09
                +2
                Quote: Altona
                So get out of Moscow, and see where and how they live ...

                listen to the hegemon, moaned
                I live on a farm in the Kaliningrad region, what are you talking about watching here, I have been working (officially with a work book and a trade union ticket) since I was 14 years old.
                Quote: Altona
                About the fact that the drunks were not paid extra, I did not write, do not ascribe to me your ignorance

                ... There are neighbors who hire people, and then they don’t fully pay what they earned, they agreed unofficially ... Altona (1) SU  Today, 18:04 ↑ not only that dumb so also a sclerotic
              2. Altona
                Altona 30 November 2013 19: 15
                +1
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                ..There are such neighbors who hire people, and then they don’t fully pay what they earned, they agreed unofficially ... Altona (1) SU 18 Today, 04:XNUMX ↑ not only is the stupid also a sclerotic

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                It’s you dumb shepherd, fuck your goat on a cart in the Kaliningrad region and don’t go into global things with your alakash ...
      2. Altona
        Altona 30 November 2013 18: 48
        +4
        Vasilenko, you are writing the theses of the liberals of the 1990 model ... They wrote such horror stories in Ogonyok that they took away and divided everything, that there were terrible repressions ... So then the liberals themselves took away and divided everything, then a bandit order was established in the legal chaos , lost about 20 million people without repression ... Were you on Mars at that time?
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        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 30 November 2013 19: 00
          +2
          Quote: Altona
          you write theses liberals sample 1990

          you have a pronounced "hegemon" complex, I say again (for especially gifted ones) money is not always stolen, it is also earned.
          unlike you, I heard I was attacking and this despite the fact that everything that I earned, I earned a hump and then.
          and according to your slogan, an drunk from a neighboring village will come to dispossess me, only because I have a herd of goats and he only has empty bottles and even one goat has huge capital for him.
          1. Altona
            Altona 30 November 2013 19: 04
            +1
            you have a pronounced "hegemon" complex, I say again (for the gifted) money is not always stolen, it is also earned.
            unlike you, I heard I was attacking and this despite the fact that everything that I earned, I earned a hump and then.
            and according to your slogan, an drunk from a neighboring village will come to dispossess me, only because I have a herd of goats and he only has empty bottles and even one goat has huge capital for him.

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            What is my slogan? What slogans did I say? What does the drunkard from the neighboring village have to do with it? This drunk and today can "dispossess" someone with a knife ... If you earned something there, then what have I got to do with it? I urge you to dekulakize? Haven't you got anything wrong, humpbacked man?
          2. Altona
            Altona 30 November 2013 19: 08
            +1
            unlike you, I heard I was attacking and this despite the fact that everything that I earned, I earned a hump and then.
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            Well, I heard and heard ... But what have I got to do with it? Explain to me ... Envy of the people is immense, and the envious person does not need any special slogans ... So do not throw me the show if you piss at night for your wealth earned ...
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 30 November 2013 19: 15
              0
              Quote: Altona
              So you don’t have to throw me a present if you piss at night for your wealth earned ...

              listen, go and explain to you that your slogans about transcendental wealth are perceived differently by different people, but as for "syshsya" calm down, always thought - use a weapon and never was afraid to
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  • Altona
    Altona 30 November 2013 15: 51
    +2
    Further, Mr. Vasilenko ... Here Mikhail Prokhorov was engaged in the E-Mobile project ... Where is this project now and did it bring anything? There would be enough money swollen there to build a modern tractor plant, for example, or other industrial facilities ... The money that Prokhorov operates would have been enough for other necessary things and job creation, and not for the purchase of overgrown blacks .. .
  • Altona
    Altona 30 November 2013 15: 53
    +4
    100 thousand euros (the cost of a modern apartment is 70-100 meters) and the notorious grandmother you mentioned is our shame created by the current bourgeoisie ... So do not get confused in the wording ...
    1. atalef
      atalef 30 November 2013 16: 26
      -4
      Quote: Altona
      100 thousand euros (the cost of a modern apartment is 70-100 meters) and the notorious grandmother you mentioned is our shame created by the current bourgeoisie.

      Switzerland is even more expensive. But there is almost communism.
      Apartments cost so much - because they are bought for the money, they would not have been bought - prices would have fallen.
      1. Altona
        Altona 30 November 2013 17: 43
        +3
        Switzerland is even more expensive. But there is almost communism.
        Apartments cost so much - because they are bought for the money, they would not have been bought - prices would have fallen.

        --------------------------
        I’m talking about the average scale of prices in our territory ... As far as Switzerland is concerned, the existence of communism there is built up by a consistent national policy and you know this very well ... By the way, as a Jew, you should understand that no one has canceled the money, and the inflow of capital to Switzerland, with an almost world-wide banking center plus industry and science, provides the indigenous people with a good standard of living ... But do you get Swiss citizenship? Not for me to tell you ...
      2. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 1 December 2013 14: 35
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        Apartments cost so much - because they are bought for the money

        Well, who buys it? The oligarchs who stole in the Russian Federation and their accomplices!
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 30 November 2013 17: 54
      +2
      Quote: Altona
      So do not get confused in the wording ...

      you are confused in the wording, it’s good not a grandmother, but a neighbor drunk who is not happy that I have money for a car and my own house, but he doesn’t.
      under your slogan just those who honestly earned their money will suffer, and those who stole it will calmly dump for the cordon to their stolen capials
      1. Altona
        Altona 30 November 2013 18: 10
        +1
        you are confused in the wording, it’s good not a grandmother, but a neighbor drunk who is not happy that I have money for a car and my own house, but he doesn’t.
        under your slogan just those who honestly earned their money will suffer, and those who stole it will calmly dump for the cordon to their stolen capials

        ----------------------
        Am I confused in the wording? Tell me in which ... Maybe you don’t understand much? Well, neighbor drunk ... So this neighbor drunk still takes mobile phones from schoolchildren and stabs in the hallways ... What does the class struggle have to do with it? Only under the Soviet regime, this bad drunk would have been identified in LTP, as well as the neighboring drug addict ...
      2. Altona
        Altona 30 November 2013 18: 12
        +1
        under your slogan just those who honestly earned their money will suffer, and those who stole it will calmly dump for the cordon to their stolen capials
        -------------------------
        So who honestly earned money, he still suffers ... He wanted to buy a quarter, and his developer threw it and dumped it behind a cordon with stolen capital ... Do you yourself accidentally contradict yourself?
        1. SV
          SV 30 November 2013 21: 12
          +1
          Altona, stop carrying nonsense and clog the ether stop !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  • makarov
    makarov 30 November 2013 08: 13
    12
    Probably the answer lies in the mystery of the Russian soul.
    Even V.S. Vysotsky once mentioned:
    Mishka is tormented by the question:
    Who here is the enemy mysterious?
    And the answer is terribly simple -
    And the only answer.
    I'm fine. Pah-pah-pah.
    Bear drinks the damned
    He says that for the graph
    Not allowed - the fifth.
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  • PSih2097
    PSih2097 30 November 2013 08: 14
    10
    Enemies (both external and internal) have always been with Russia, are and will be, well, some do not like us ...
    1. complete zero
      complete zero 30 November 2013 09: 37
      +2
      and what do we (Russia) actually have to like someone - Georgians or Ukrainians? - Put yourself in their place (if you like it means mazahism))), and the war unleashed by Yeltsin in Chechnya added a lot of whists to us? to refer to the fact that the United States behaves in the same way, it makes no sense (is it not about them?) here is not like the "fifth" tenth column both externally and internally !!!! - the country itself is no longer a single camp (Moscow and provinces?) so we have what we have (Army and Navy)
      1. bairat
        bairat 30 November 2013 10: 12
        +4
        The bad thing is that we have no allies in our environment. Belarus did not recognize Abkhazia and Ossetia, Armenia is our ally because they have nowhere else to go, Kazakhstan is looking in different directions.
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  • moskal68
    moskal68 30 November 2013 08: 14
    +3
    Something is buggy.
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 30 November 2013 08: 31
      +4
      Quote: 68
      Something is buggy.
      Doubles and trips? ........ glory to God, otherwise I thought it was only with me))
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 30 November 2013 09: 26
        +1
        Quote: bomg.77
        Doubles and trips? ..

        Yes, here probably half is sitting on the site, and waiting for the store to open. laughing
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 30 November 2013 10: 02
          +6
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Yes, here probably half is sitting on the site, and waiting for the store to open.

          Didn't Black Friday come to us? wassat
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 30 November 2013 10: 55
            +2
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            Didn't Black Friday come to us?

            I picked it up. good
        2. bomg.77
          bomg.77 30 November 2013 10: 38
          +2
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Yes, here probably half is sitting on the site, and waiting for the store to open.
          I'm talking about comments that are duplicated))), and you are talking about more subtle matter wassat
  • My address
    My address 30 November 2013 08: 18
    +8
    Continuing the series "Smerdyukov and his girls" and "Skrynnik and her boys", am, an increasing number of celestials will fall into the enemy, and will reach the Kremlin.

    Volodin's articles hi wonderful and often tactfully push to analogies, to the development of the situation. And not necessarily in the negative direction.
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 30 November 2013 08: 19
    +4
    As long as there is NATO, there will be enemies of Russia.
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 30 November 2013 08: 54
      -31 qualifying.
      Tonight the prisoner godfather with the chase "Ham" threw piles of fattened meat in uniform with the emblem of vultures to disperse the Euromaidan. Several thousand butchers surrounded several hundred practically children dancing and singing in the cold. Uniformed bandits used noise grenades and gas. They beat children with clubs and kicks. Many dozens were beaten and wounded, dozens were detained. Count how many enemies Yanukovych has and automatically Putin (Russia). It's no secret that Yanukovych is Putin's cheap, brainless puppet. Hotheads have already cast a cry to ask the United States and the UN for the protection and overthrow of Yanukovych. It will come to the most stupid that the meanness of the authorities and Ham are infinite. The bandits openly demonstrated that they would force the people to conform to their thieves' notions. If Russia and you support such a power, what can the ordinary people of Ukraine, hostage of a criminal, corrupt regime, do?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 30 November 2013 09: 02
        15
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        Tonight the prisoner godfather with the chase "Ham" threw piles of fattened meat in uniform with the emblem of vultures to disperse the Euromaidan. Several thousand butchers surrounded several hundred practically children dancing and singing in the cold. Uniformed bandits used noise grenades and gas. They beat children with clubs and kicks. Many dozens were beaten and wounded, dozens were detained.

        A video to show you how to disperse in the US?
        1. Captain Vrungel
          Captain Vrungel 30 November 2013 09: 30
          -16 qualifying.
          If you like dictatorship, lawlessness and cause you positive emotions, like a dozen hundred-kilogram carcasses pounce on the kid and, in violation of their instructions, beat them on the head with truncheons and break ribs with ankle boots, then we are not on our way. I never thought that I would have patriotic feelings towards Ukraine. Grew up and raised in a different dimension, but the bandit power of Yanukovych made me not indifferent to the fate of Ukraine. Believe me, I'm not alone. I saw with my own eyes not stupid, angry faces of paid maydanutyh from the regionals. I saw hot eyes and hope in the future of apolitical youth. Civil community of Ukraine. I believe them. If the power rests only on the fact that it has grabbed onto the underpants of the "golden eagle" and relies only on his strength, then the truly shitty state of Urkain is being built for the people, or rather a zone controlled by an organized criminal group of a boor. We'll live until Monday.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 30 November 2013 09: 51
            23
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            If you like dictatorship, lawlessness

            Do you like democracy? so I will disappoint you, democracy is the most vicious form of dictatorship.
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            . I saw hot eyes and hope in the future of apolitical youth. Civil society of Ukraine. I believe them

            I also saw burning eyes in 2004 in Kiev, I saw women crying when Obama read the oath of the president with the slogan “Yes, we can, I heard about democracy and freedom in Iraq and Afghanistan. Only lies were the basis of everything!”
          2. Homo
            Homo 30 November 2013 09: 57
            19
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            ... I saw hot eyes and hope in the future of apolitical youth ...

            These youth should be either in lessons or in lectures. Since she is on the Maidan - "then someone needs it!" And young people are not just apolitical, they are "not fazed". And 90% of young people on the Maidan are not at the call of the heart, but for loot or for grades. Almost none of them have read the "EU-Ukraine Association Agreement" and do not know why they are holding a meeting! Students and young people have always been "cannon fodder" in someone's interests!
          3. Slavs
            Slavs 30 November 2013 10: 47
            14
            Sir, do you live in Ukraine? A very pretentious speech, paid for? Or copied from somewhere? I have very warm feelings for Ukraine, I come from Zaporozhye ... My mother is still there ... I witnessed the Orange Revolution, had the pleasure of feeling the "before" and "after" ... I even saw Yushchenko alive .. They went to the Maidan then for denyuzhku, for the most part ... As now, I have the courage to assume ... Europe is the death of Ukraine ... The current government also does not cause delight, but one must be extremely narrow-minded to think of the EU as about problem solving ...
          4. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 30 November 2013 13: 34
            11
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            If you like dictatorship

            touches the situation when the prohibition of unlawful acts is called a dictatorship, and the violation of laws by democracy.
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          6. Stanislas
            Stanislas 1 December 2013 18: 03
            +2
            If you raised your hand at the American policeman, not to mention throwing something at him, you would have gotten a bullet in the forehead right away and would not have survived until Monday. Therefore, a broken rib, which, by the way, has not been boasted by any of the Maydan’s, should be for you an example of the liberalism and philanthropy of the authorities.
        2. seller trucks
          seller trucks 30 November 2013 09: 33
          +5
          Alexander, good literally before publishing the news I was browsing ^
        3. complete zero
          complete zero 30 November 2013 10: 22
          -9
          and where does the United States, they are that light of peacefulness?))) Vrungel-all right pointed out-Ukraine wants to be in the EU is her choice as if we did not want it, and what happens except hatred towards us for Russia will not give anything!
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 30 November 2013 10: 35
            +9
            Quote: complete zero
            Vrungel, everything is correctly pointed out, Ukraine wants to be in the EU is HER

            Choth did not see millions of marches for the EU, thousandths and then hardly gain paying 100 hryvnia for three hours.
            1. atalef
              atalef 30 November 2013 10: 45
              -1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Quote: complete zero
              Vrungel, everything is correctly pointed out, Ukraine wants to be in the EU is HER
              Choth did not see millions of marches for the EU, thousandths and then hardly gain paying 100 hryvnia for three hours.

              Good morning, Sanya !!!

              And were there marches for the vehicle? Or are they not going to meetings for free?
              1. Hudo
                Hudo 30 November 2013 10: 50
                12
                Quote: atalef
                And were there marches for the vehicle? Or are they not going to meetings for free?


                The idea that people go to work trite, did not occur to you? I live in the Donbass, and therefore I declare to you that this is exactly the case.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 30 November 2013 11: 03
                  -9
                  Quote: Hudo
                  Quote: atalef
                  And were there marches for the vehicle? Or are they not going to meetings for free?


                  The idea that people go to work trite, did not occur to you? I live in the Donbass, and therefore I declare to you that this is exactly the case.

                  It was 4 months. back in Kiev, struck a huge number of people in the morning and afternoon in super and idly staggering. Why wouldn’t they go to a rally about the TS?
                  1. Hudo
                    Hudo 30 November 2013 11: 16
                    +8
                    Quote: atalef
                    It was 4 months. back in Kiev, struck a huge number of people in the morning and afternoon in super and idly staggering. Why wouldn’t they go to a rally about the TS?


                    I tell you, Alexander, about working people, people really looking at the reality surrounding them. You write about the unicellular office plankton that has been struggling in Kiev and the Galician thinking - such a public is a nutritious broth for all sorts of maydaunas.
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            3. Captain Vrungel
              Captain Vrungel 30 November 2013 10: 55
              -9
              Alexander! Where do you get information from. Directly with the phrases of the regular heralds of the "truth" of the regionals Oliynyk and Bondarenko speak. Here their paid "titushki" and protesters are paid (though yesterday they just threw the "extras" with money. They were indignant. Apparently, "the money for the" titushki "went to the" kickback "to the organizers). All the meanness of the authorities manifested itself in full. that after that, Putin will have a desire to shake hands with the boor, whose place (as one authority sitting with him said) is at the bucket.
              1. Vlad_Mir
                Vlad_Mir 30 November 2013 18: 05
                +1
                Why are you throwing garbage from the hut?
            4. Gooch v. 2
              Gooch v. 2 30 November 2013 15: 47
              -1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Choth did not see millions of marches for the EU, thousandths and then hardly gain paying 100 hryvnia for three hours.

              yeah, shot by the State Department at the apartment
          2. Hudo
            Hudo 30 November 2013 10: 43
            +6
            Quote: complete zero
            Vrungel, everything is correctly pointed out, Ukraine wants to be in the EU is HER


            Strange conclusion? Vrungel = Ukraine ??? !!! Yes, you are just not yourself! There was a referendum in order to clarify the question of who wants it and where? No, it was not.
            For the intentions to raise the convulsive banging of the left leg of the unsleeping europized Pan to the rank of the highest and indisputable truths, if you please, get "-".
          3. Captain Vrungel
            Captain Vrungel 30 November 2013 13: 07
            0
            Paul! 10:22. Thanks for the support and understanding. Let it protect you.
          4. Russ69
            Russ69 30 November 2013 19: 28
            +3
            Quote: complete zero
            Vrungel, everything is correctly pointed out, Ukraine wants to be in the EU is HER

            To begin with, hold a referendum, and only then state what Ukraine wants ...
        4. Gooch v. 2
          Gooch v. 2 30 November 2013 15: 43
          -9
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          A video to show you how to disperse in the US?

          In America, there are many civilized ways to be heard by the authorities, except to arrange a massacre on the streets - the media, the courts, the police, parliament, and civil associations. We have the power of deaf.
          The difference is that with the states, the police protect the people of the elected government.
          And we are dispersed by people who are against the impostors coming to power in Russia, imagining themselves to be all holy Russia.
          1. 11111mail.ru
            11111mail.ru 1 December 2013 14: 49
            +1
            Quote: Gooch v.2
            In America, there are plenty of civilized ways to be heard by the authorities, except to arrange a massacre on the streets - the media, the courts, the police, parliament, civic associations


            Wasn't that USA ?:
            On May 4, 1970, students at the University of Kent staged a protest against the invasion of American and South Vietnamese troops in Cambodia that began a few days before. Authorities announced the cancellation of the rally. An Ohio National Guard unit arrived at the university with orders to disperse the demonstrators. For unknown reasons, the guards opened fire on the crowd, as a result of which 4 were killed and 9 students were injured.

            Against the backdrop of the tragedy at the University of Kent, the events at Jackson University (Mississippi) were almost unnoticed, where on May 15, two people died and 12 were injured in a similar incident from police fire.
            1. Gooch v. 2
              Gooch v. 2 2 December 2013 07: 29
              -1
              Quote: 11111mail.ru
              Wasn't that USA ?:

              fiends, what can I say
              In America, at least tanks have not yet begun to crush demonstrations.

              Novocherkassk execution
              On the night of the first to second of June, several tanks and soldiers entered the city. Tanks entered the factory yard and began to crowd out those who remained there without using weapons. A rumor spread among the crowd that several people were crushed by caterpillars, and the crowd began to hit heavy objects with armor, trying to disable tanks.
              Eyewitnesses recall: the first machine gun bursts on top of the crowd fell into the trees, and children sat on them - they climbed in to see better. Their bodies were never found. Nikolai Stepanov, participant in the events of 1962: “Two girls, and someone else was lying, who - I don’t know. I say - take a look, what is it? Children were shot! ” The panic began.
              Seven of the “instigators” (Alexander Zaitsev, Andrei Korkach, Mikhail Kuznetsov, Boris Mokrousov, Sergei Sotnikov, Vladimir Cherepanov, Vladimir Shuvaev) were sentenced to death and executed, the remaining 105 were sentenced to 10 to 15 years in a strict colony mode.
              1. 11111mail.ru
                11111mail.ru 2 December 2013 20: 34
                0
                Quote: Gooch v.2
                fiends, what can I say
                In America, at least tanks have not yet begun to crush demonstrations.

                1962 ... 1970. The sanction for dispersal in Novocherkassk was given by Khrushchev, not lower than the rank, and in the USA the go-ahead to open fire with live ammunition was given by the Fuhrer of the local American command of the National Guard. Feel the difference. Of course, for those who gave these orders, “their own darling is a half, and someone else’s neck is a penny.” But yours is somehow simpler, more ordinary ... It’s not a question of the number of killed, the reaction of the authorities. In the USSR, the largest plant in the city, city-forming the enterprise went on strike, beat off two self-willed people from the lip, swung at the "sacred", here the reaction of the system is understandable. And when in a "democratic" country, suckers came up with posters against the "legitimate" invasion of a "neighboring" country in the other hemisphere, USA (I specify states of Ohio and Mississippi) showed the whole world their attitude to human rights! In this juxtaposition of events consistently: someone else's darling is a half, and someone else's neck is a penny!
                1. Gooch v. 2
                  Gooch v. 2 3 December 2013 06: 15
                  0
                  Quote: 11111mail.ru
                  1962 ... 1970. Khrushchev gave a sanction to disperse in Novocherkassk, not lower than rank

                  Once again they showed their slavish instinct, such as being killed on the orders of the tsar, it’s a good option, Khrushchev himself allowed this, surprising logic.

                  in the USA, the go-ahead for the firing of live ammunition by the Fuhrer of the local American command of the national guard. Feel the difference.

                  feel the difference in the forms of administration, in the USA each state has its own laws, if in one they give you a fine for breaking a window, then in the next one they will give you a bullet in the forehead, is the example clear?

                  But yours is somehow simpler, more mundane ... The question is not in the number of those killed, in the reaction of the authorities. In the USSR, the largest plant in the city, the city-forming enterprise went on strike, they fought off two unauthorized people from the lip, swung at the "sacred", here the reaction of the system is understandable. And when in a "democratic" country, suckers came out with placards against the "legitimate" invasion of a "neighboring" country in the other hemisphere, the USA (to clarify - the governments of Ohio and Mississippi) showed the whole world their attitude towards human rights! In this juxtaposition of events consistently: someone else's darling is a half, and someone else's neck is a penny!

                  read carefully.
                  The Ohio National Guard unit arrived at the university, ordered to disperse demonstrators. On unknown reasons guardsmen fired on the crowdas a result of which 4 were killed and 9 students were injured.

                  read even more carefully.
                  Information about Novocherkassk events in the USSR was classified by decision of the Presidium of the CPSU Central Committee. The first publications appeared in the open press only in the late 1980s during the years of Perestroika. During the study of documents and eyewitness accounts, it was found that part of the documents disappeared, no written orders were found, and the medical records of many victims disappeared. This complicates the determination of the exact number of dead and wounded.
                  Many documents from the KGB archives on the Novocherkassk Uprising remain to this day. unclassified.


                  is it worth commenting? Or do you yourself realize that you froze stupidity?
      2. Hudo
        Hudo 30 November 2013 09: 17
        20
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        The bandits have openly demonstrated that they will force people under their thieves concepts.


        You are confusing the concepts of "people" and "crowd". Please google the dictionary http://academic.ru/ for academician.
        Speak up the children, so at 4 o’clock in the morning the children are supposed to sleep. Pay your righteous anger also to those who brought them there, and he taxied with this coven while sitting in the warmth.
        P.S. And take my word for it - I am not a supporter of the current government, but just the opposite.
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 30 November 2013 09: 39
          +9
          Quote: Hudo
          P.S. And take my word for it - I am not a supporter of the current government, but just the opposite.


          (+) Hudo, empty, only one person knows the truth, his opinion of others is uninteresting, it is euromaidan:
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 30 November 2013 10: 00
            +9
            Quote: seller trucks
            only one person knows the truth, his opinion of others is uninteresting, this is euromuidan:

            Continuous maydauns of various kinds from the late 90s to the present day and for any reason they just got it. It is clear as daylight, "Maidan" = "paid Sabbath", only the victims of the iodine deficiency rampant in the Galicia region, who are completely vicious, believe that all this is for real. They broke the lulya soap - rightly so! With a start!
      3. seller trucks
        seller trucks 30 November 2013 09: 30
        10
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        Tonight the prisoner godfather with the chaser "Ham" threw piles of fattened meat in a uniform with the emblem


        But what about combat hopak techniques? belay
        1. Captain Vrungel
          Captain Vrungel 30 November 2013 09: 41
          +6
          We live until Monday, Vitaly.
          I'm for the stomp of hopak than for the rumble of AK. drinks
          1. seller trucks
            seller trucks 30 November 2013 09: 50
            +4
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            come to life until Monday, Vitaly.
            I'm for the stomp of hopak than for the rumble of AK.


            And, well, yes schA funny in the person of Pisiai and Boxer, they will go on a tour of Euroches across Ukraine, do you think there is enough money?

            I will not dissemble, I have events in Ukraine - for a beer,

            not deserved, Fascist forgot
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 30 November 2013 10: 36
            +7
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            We live until Monday, Vitaly.

            What will happen on Monday? Another paid Shaban
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      5. Slavs
        Slavs 30 November 2013 11: 00
        0
        My friend, your drive (nickname) speaks for itself ...)
      6. morpex
        morpex 30 November 2013 12: 09
        -4
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        Tonight the prisoner godfather with the chase "Ham" threw piles of fattened meat in uniform with the emblem of vultures to disperse the Euromaidan.

        I am a resident of Ukraine. And me this mess specifically for ... l! This can only happen in countries where the law and the constitution are all twisted on ..yu - in Russia, Ukraine, Belarus. The rally, as many know, was peaceful. No provocation. No political slogans. No parties. Formally, this is not even a rally - just walking people in the square. These nits attacked in the middle of the night and beat peaceful people. THERE NOW YOU UNDERSTAND WHY AN ORDINARY UKRAINIAN WANTS TO LIVE IN EUROPEAN ??? !!!
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 30 November 2013 12: 21
          +9
          Quote: morpex
          Formally, this is not even a rally - just walking people in the square.

          Completeness! This is also the "people" who fried eggs on the Eternal Flame!
          Quote: morpex
          These nits attacked in the middle of the night and beat peaceful people

          PEACEFUL !!! ??? Go not to hide, and look at the video, at these "peaceful people" with cutoffs of water pipes.

          In addition, of the 34 detainees, 12 are Zapadentsy. Here is a photo of the list of detainees

          http://img.pravda.com.ua/images/doc/1/0/10b7523-1.jpg

          http://img.pravda.com.ua/images/doc/2/2/2298e14-2.jpg

          Be objective! Authorities - complete r *** but, but even these maydaunaty just got it.
          1. morpex
            morpex 30 November 2013 13: 20
            +1
            Quote: Hudo
            Completeness! This is also the "people" who fried eggs on the Eternal Flame!

            Gleb: Well, you don’t need to appeal to me with such scumbags. And you have enough of this trash. Here is a pity. G. Livny, Oryol Region.


            1. Hudo
              Hudo 30 November 2013 13: 40
              +7
              Quote: morpex

              Gleb.No need to appeal to me with such scumbags

              And I, Valery, do not appeal. The Amerov ambassador to Kiev, without hesitation, said that they say it is necessary to change the power in Ukraine. And he was going to change it with the hands of these ushlopkov, in Amerov’s understandable interests. I’m not enthusiastic about the authorities, but I haven’t delegated the right to the Maydown regulars from Galicia to change something there, and my friends too. And at the place of my residence (Lugansk), as if they should! Therefore, I believe that they smacked them a little. Nobody gave the right to Galician screamers to decide for the whole country.

              Quote: morpex
              And you have enough of this trash.


              We have, Valery, with us!
              1. morpex
                morpex 30 November 2013 14: 44
                +4
                Quote: Hudo
                We have, Valery, with us!

                I agree. I’m sorry. US ... But there is good news on this topic.

                A Just Russia deputy Oleg Mikheev submitted to the State Duma a bill introducing criminal liability for insulting the memory of the Great Patriotic War with a maximum sentence of up to 7 years in prison, RIA reported.
                PySy. I would still punish parents for such an upbringing, or rather for the lack thereof ..
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                2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 30 November 2013 14: 47
                  +4
                  Quote: morpex
                  I would still punish parents for such education, or rather for the lack thereof

                  set another board of shame in the center of the city with photo masks
                  in our region last year minors ...
                  at the memorial, the newspaper that published their photographs was "noted" so that they were fined - interference with private life, and I would be in all regional newspapers on the front pages of these scoundrels and their parents, so that everyone would see and everyone knew
                3. Hudo
                  Hudo 30 November 2013 14: 57
                  0
                  Quote: morpex
                  A Just Russia deputy Oleg Mikheev submitted to the State Duma a bill introducing criminal liability for insulting the memory of the Great Patriotic War with a maximum sentence of up to 7 years in prison, RIA reported.


                  Until the age of seven, look ... but in reality, conditionally. Well, the deputy promoted and that’s it. I see no reason for joy. That's when they accept and begin to endure scum REAL terms of seven years - then there will be a reason.
            2. Gooch v. 2
              Gooch v. 2 30 November 2013 15: 55
              0
              Quote: morpex
              Gleb: Well, you don’t need to appeal to me with such scumbags. And you have enough of this trash. Here is a pity. G. Livny, Oryol Region.

              UPDATE.




              1. alone
                alone 30 November 2013 23: 04
                +3
                That would take a noggin and flog these freaks in a hundred blows on a soft spot, I think I would never again deal with such abominations.
            3. I am
              I am 30 November 2013 23: 25
              +4
              For such things as in the photo ........... ub *** ki, I would have kicked it myself !!!!! !!!! how their land wears .....
              1. Gooch v. 2
                Gooch v. 2 2 December 2013 07: 32
                -1
                Quote: I am
                For such things as in the photo ........... ub *** ki, I would have kicked it myself !!!!! !!!! how their land wears .....

                I assure you, if a kazakie would do this, the stench and conversations would be 100500 times more, but here .. it's okay, hang up, hang up, calm down
        2. Captain Vrungel
          Captain Vrungel 30 November 2013 12: 55
          -2
          Valery! I watched the Russian news channel, so I almost jumped out of my own pants to rush to defend the supporters and defenseless police of Yanukovych from bandit lawlessness and hooligan actions with aggravating circumstances of students. Imagine grabbing police hands with batons and frantically beating themselves on the head and ribs. fell under the legs in berets and broke their ribs. They seized the Mikhailovsky Cathedral and staged a coven. The police stand modestly in anticipation, while the youth repents and forgives sins for a stormy night.
          That is why we must discard the bandit Yanukovych and his corrupt organized crime group. This is the main task. A lot of people have seen in the east and in the south. Unfortunately, I don’t see a leader who would lead the masses. Hollow Nuts. Again entered into, because there is no action plan and everything is built at random.
          1. morpex
            morpex 30 November 2013 13: 29
            -1
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            That is why we must discard the bandit Yanukovych and his corrupt organized crime group. This is the main task. A lot of people have seen in the east and in the south. Unfortunately, I don’t see a leader who would lead the masses. Hollow Nuts. Again entered into, because there is no action plan and everything is built at random.

            For such a thing, I’ll go to the Maidan, but I also don’t see prospects like you. There is no leader, only mongrels. But to show this snickering coder in the lich of the party of regions that we are the people and not B.Y.D.L.O. it is necessary. And they sent. Today they brought all civil servants, doctors to Kharkov. teachers on anti-Maidan in support of Anusovich. Whoever doesn’t go, write I’ll declare it. I don’t say this unfoundedly. The eldest son works in the district administration.
            1. Hudo
              Hudo 30 November 2013 13: 47
              +6
              Quote: morpex
              .Today, all the civil servants and doctors were taken to Kharkov. teachers on anti-Maidan in support of Anusovich. Whoever doesn’t go, write to declare. I don’t say this unfoundedly. The oldest son works in the district administration. We drove in the morning ....


              Well dolben Yanukevich! People are fed up with the order of both himself and those maydaun geyers.
            2. Korben
              Korben 30 November 2013 14: 08
              +1
              And there is! The other day I personally heard a call from the City Council to the head of one of the districts of Kharkov! Gather at least 7000 people and the area! The man was a little stunned! Called subordinates and asked to organize among state employees and loyal! Promise people a weekend or “bonus”!
        3. ebrd
          ebrd 30 November 2013 17: 25
          +5
          Quote: morpex
          NATIONAL UKRAINE WANTS TO LIVE IN EUROPEAN ??? !!!

          But how did you get these, your mantras ,, --- Europe, ,, Europeans, live European ........ Europe is for you what --- fetish, idol? ... unconditional a model for worship ?? ... Why don’t you start living just humanly, in Ukrainian,? ... ... that Europeans will come and restore your ruined industry and households, they will completely repair your dead roads? .... Yes, no one will do this except you, you yourself need to restore order in your house and do not count on good Europe!
          1. morpex
            morpex 30 November 2013 19: 32
            0
            Quote: berd
            But how did your mantras

            Listen up! Don’t take a piece of the phrase out of context! Is the main idea that I wrote in these words? You read thoughtfully and not anyhow ..
      7. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 30 November 2013 13: 32
        +5
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        thousands of butchers surrounded by several hundred almost children dancing and singing in the cold

        Do not tell me what CHILDREN do NIGHT in the square, or is it from a pregnant series in the square in Baku?
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        If Russia and you support such a power

        check the box
        1. Captain Vrungel
          Captain Vrungel 30 November 2013 15: 17
          -2
          Vladimir! I'll start with your second one. I was born under this flag, grew up, received a military order and a disability. First. Life drove the children out to declare that they do not want to live in a gangster, corrupt country without the slightest hope for a brighter future and have no right to work for the bandyukovichs to paint them. Why did it hurt me so? I saw everything with my own eyes in reality, and not from the press. We came with our children, who gave us an ultimatum that they did not want to live in the barnyard as "kazlov" for the bandits from the yuzovka. We went with them. Yes, this is their serious independent decision, and our duty is to ensure their safety as much as possible. In Kiev, there are colleagues in serious positions and they told interesting things. On this site, many of them are not pleasant. Kiev Berkut did not go to storm the Maidan. Kiev policemen opened the cordon and showed people where they could hide from the outrageous golden eagle. Russian-speaking. You guessed from which region?
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 30 November 2013 15: 27
            +4
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            Russian-speaking. Have you guessed which region?

            please change the checkbox again
            1. Captain Vrungel
              Captain Vrungel 30 November 2013 16: 25
              -1
              You will change the flag. It touches you that the bandits in uniform in the full sense of the word, muck people. Not enemies on the battlefield, but fellow citizens who use their legal right to express their opinion and attitude towards the authorities. We have not yet built a dictatorship. How would you feel about the trays in the form, which muffled with a bunch of your child, but just a person .. They threw them from a height to the ground with clubs, legs. Yes, Russian-speaking bandits in the form of a golden eagle from Crimea. Some were punctured, the senior screamed at the entire Maidan "the fourth company here." "The fourth company gathered." Watch the news. It is desirable not to have their own, sovereign channels. Ambassadors from many countries arrived at Mikhailovskaya Square. The people came out against the bandits, and you support the bandits. I do not wish you such events.
              You can consider in more detail my native flag.
              1. Cat
                Cat 30 November 2013 20: 00
                +2
                Quote: Captain Vrungel
                You are touched That bandits in the form in the full sense of the word are muzzling people. Not enemies on the battlefield, but fellow citizens who use their legal right to express their opinion and attitude to the authorities.

                What does it mean - sniff? They do not muck, but prepare for life according to the laws of Europe (which is what these people, in fact, yearn for). Remember, or google, reports from the city of Paryzhu - when the French came out to a rally against Pedolesbian marriages in general and their adoption of children in particular. And the protesters were - uuuu ... our "Evromaidans" and did not lie around. And what the democratic European police did to them, and with the help of what special means - the Ukrainian "bandit" Berkut still grows and grows to such civilization. And most importantly, there was much less noise in the world press on this issue than about Euromaidan, so a couple of articles flashed and truncated. That is, one must understand that the event was - quite an ordinary one, according to their "democratic" concept.
                In general, if you want to Europe - so get used to the European order.
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 30 November 2013 15: 27
            +4
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            Russian-speaking. Have you guessed which region?

            please change the checkbox again
          3. Cat
            Cat 30 November 2013 16: 47
            +4
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            We arrived with our children, who gave us an ultimatum that they did not want to live in the barnyard as "kazlov" for the bandits from the yuzovka. We went with them. Yes, this is their serious independent decision, and our duty is to ensure their safety as much as possible.

            And you didn’t think to ask your children - where did they, in fact, intersect with these "bandits"? Gopota we have, dear, Kiev, Borschagovskaya or there Troyeschenskaya - but "Yuzovskaya" as it were not to be seen.
            Or maybe crowds of Turks, Arabs, or some other Afronegro are walking around Kiev, demanding some exclusive rights and subsidies? Or do pogroms happen in Kiev, with the smashing of windows and overturning cars, and setting fire to everything that comes to hand? Personally, I have not seen anything like this in Kiev. Maybe you or your children saw it? I doubt something. But in "civilized Europe" such lawlessness is quite common, and not in small regional centers at all, but in the capital Paris-London.
            And this is exactly the kind of "security" you want for your children, in such a "European" capital? Hardly...
          4. morpex
            morpex 30 November 2013 19: 38
            0
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            Have you guessed which region?

            The Donetsk, Luhansk and Simferopol OMON "distinguished themselves" in this bestiality.
            Metropolitan cops -respect!
            1. Hudo
              Hudo 30 November 2013 20: 00
              +1
              You, Valery, did not make a reservation? So in bestiality or in the dispersal of bestiality.
              1. morpex
                morpex 30 November 2013 20: 46
                -1
                Quote: Hudo
                You, Valery, did not make a reservation? So in bestiality or in the dispersal of bestiality.

                No hleb. Not a slip of the tongue. To beat people is always bestiality. Even if they think differently .. And this bestiality provoked Anusovich.
                1. Hudo
                  Hudo 30 November 2013 21: 34
                  +3
                  Quote: morpex
                  And this bestiality provoked Anusovich.

                  Yes, that you are attached to it. As for me, he himself has done so far in order to curl his neck (both in the foreseeable future, and most likely both in the literal and figurative sense) which cannot but rejoice.

                  Quote: morpex
                  Beating people is always bestiality

                  If you cannot, due to your youth, remember how these maydauns began, then let me remind you. And they began at the instigation of PNNDOS with the so-called. "revolutions on granite" in 1990. where they demanded the resignation of the head of the Council of Ministers of the Ukrainian SSR, Masol V.A., then they had to shoot at them without regret or mercy, because from this "significant" event began a general sawing and distribution and collapse. Then there were sabbaths of the same kind, with the filing of the same pndos gongadze case, Maydaun rusty 2004, and others with koi leaders do not crawl out of the US embassy in Kiev, receiving instructions and basks there.
                  All the aforementioned, as well as unmentioned because of their large number of covens and gangplanks had devastating and catastrophic consequences. It is for this reason alone that they must be beaten even harder, so that they jump into the air, have time to poke and change shoes in flight, and after landing on the ground they tore off the place with a slip and forgot the road forever.

                  Quote: morpex
                  Even if they think differently.


                  But they don’t even think at all - their thought center is located across the ocean.

                  Quote: morpex
                  No hleb.


                  And so be so kind as to write my name as is customary in the rules of the Russian language - with a capital letter.
                  hi
                  1. morpex
                    morpex 30 November 2013 23: 00
                    +2
                    Quote: Hudo
                    And so be so kind as to write my name as is customary in the rules of the Russian language - with a capital letter.

                    I apologize. I did not mean to offend you with a simple typo. From now on I will take a closer look.
                    Quote: Hudo
                    But they don’t even think at all - their thought center is located across the ocean.

                    I, too, belong to those people who categorically reject Western values ​​and "democracy in the American way. But I am already tired of living in a country where any major, a person of power or with money can hit a person in a car and he will have nothing for it, in a country where there is no the conscience of the powers that be and everything is sold and everything is bought, where people stealing and plundering their country are set as an example as successful businessmen, a country where there is terrible corruption and police and tax lawlessness. And most importantly, NOTHING IS DONE INSIDE THE COUNTRY! If it helps to overthrow this government, I’m for the Maidan. And do not judge me for this. If I go there, it’s only out of conviction and not for money .. But so far there is no such person or party that can be relied on. I understand some things, but young people do not. She is naive and trusting. And do not judge her for this. They are also tired of studying for money, poking bribes for exams in universities, poking bribes for hiring, bullying the workers themselves and with all this, DEFENSE! Indifference of the authorities to their fate ..

                    If you cannot, due to your youth, recall


                    I 48m. I remember everything. And already gave an answer to this topic. I do not want to repeat myself again. Want to find.
                    1. Hudo
                      Hudo 30 November 2013 23: 39
                      +1
                      Quote: morpex
                      .But I’m already tired of living in a country where any major, a person of power or with money can knock a man down by car and there’s nothing for him, in a country where there’s no

                      Can you name those who are not tired of worse than the bitter radish? (I mean people, not ...) I also can’t.

                      Quote: morpex
                      If it helps to overthrow this power, I am for the Maidan. And do not judge me for this. If I go there, it is only by conviction and not for money .. But so far there is no such person or party to rely on.


                      Overthrow for whom? For a new Yushchenko? Or maybe a big-eyed cropped fascist izu tygnysraka? Slow pedal kalichko? Maybe someone else?
                      Everything where Bandera-Zapadeltsy are involved leads from bad to worse. Is not it so? And if the Yanukevichs clashed with the Bandera, let them balk each other as much as possible (and preferably until they completely destroy each other)


                      Quote: morpex
                      I am a person with experience and I understand something


                      So finally understand that all the evil on our earth comes from the existence of such a devil and the State Department as the "Ukraine" project - a monster devouring millions of our fellow citizens. And an attempt to overthrow Yanukevich will not lead to anything - this monster needs to be hit on the head with a rattle to death, and not to pull hairs in the form of Yanukovychs out of the ass of this monster.

                      Quote: morpex
                      I'm 48. I remember everything


                      And I remember! And since I remember, I have an account for this state, and I will not die until this bill is presented for payment. I can wait, and in my understanding of what is happening, the wait is not long.
                      1. morpex
                        morpex 1 December 2013 00: 15
                        +1
                        Quote: Hudo
                        I have an account for this state, and I will not die until this account is presented for payment.

                        What do you mean by state? People? The then power? Current? Again, to whom to present the bill?
                        I have a grudge against Gorbachev and that Kremlin pack for the collapse of the country in which I lived. Who would you like to show the bill to? I have a grudge against Kravchuk, Kuchma, Yushchenko, Yanukovych who brought Ukraine to its current state. Tell me, if you are so smart, how should I show them? Once again I repeat. If the Maidan helps, then I am for the Maidan. I have no other methods.
                      2. Hudo
                        Hudo 1 December 2013 00: 27
                        +2
                        Quote: morpex
                        If the Maidan will help, then I'm for the Maidan

                        The Maidan, which is personally supervised by the Amerian ambassador in Kiev, will not help.
                        Quote: morpex
                        I have no other methods.


                        Quote: morpex
                        I have a grudge against Kravchuk, Kuchma, Yushchenko, Yanukovych who brought Ukraine to its current state. Tell me, if you are so smart, how should I show them?

                        Have endurance and know how to wait - the 2015 elections will put all the dots on the "i", if everything does not rap like a rotten pumpkin before.
                  2. Stanislas
                    Stanislas 1 December 2013 18: 49
                    0
                    Quote: morpex
                    I’m already tired of living in a country where any major, a person of power or with money can knock a person by car and there’s nothing for him, in a country where the powers that be have no conscience
                    Many citizens participating in rallies during the collapse of the USSR thought about the party nomenclature in approximately the same way. They thought that it would not be worse, not realizing that the scriptwriters of these covens are sitting in Washington, that the State Emergency Committee is the best of the Politburo, and Yakovlev, Gorbachev and Shevarnadze are the worst, that they put such scum on their neck that they will drink from their blood, arranging legal chaos and plundering the country on such a scale that did not even dream of the former nomenclature
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    3. Russ69
      Russ69 30 November 2013 19: 25
      +2
      Quote: Captain Vrungel
      Tonight the prisoner godfather with the chase "Ham" threw piles of fattened meat in uniform with the emblem of vultures to disperse the Euromaidan.

      In the photo, you can see it from the other side. If you are boiling with cops, and even with the use of tear gas. That take a grandmother with a child from there, the first thing ...
    4. Captain45
      Captain45 30 November 2013 23: 59
      +1
      Quote: Captain Vrungel
      Tonight the prisoner godfather with the chase "Ham" threw piles of fattened meat in uniform with the emblem of vultures to disperse the Euromaidan.

      And you read for the sake of interest the articles about this "overclocking" on the "Political Review", since the news of this site is published on the main page of the VO, maybe you won't talk about it so tragically afterwards.
      1. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 1 December 2013 08: 36
        0
        Dear Captain45. The media is the zombie organ of the ruling class. First of all, clarify who is the boss, who works for. I saw everything with my own eyes. Soon you will see that all of Ukraine has risen against Yanukovych's gang. Ukraine has united. EU. TS. Horseradish radish is not sweeter and this is secondary, for me personally. The main thing is to sweep away this ruling gang that turned the country into Urkaina and divided it east-west in the dashing 90s. That was their brand. This was their policy. It was they who opened the pandora's box and released the nationalists. It is they who today began to scatter from the Party of Regions. This godfather (like Gorbachev in his time) yelled that he was not aware of the dispersal of a peaceful rally, this is the head of the mountains. ATC is to blame. And who would believe that the Luhansk, Crimean golden eagle was commanded by the city Kiev. (for Kiev, a small clerk of the district type) with such a superstructure over his head. The minister, the Cabinet of Ministers and personally the godfather. Yes, this gang is long overdue for GET. And not just get, but on the bunk. Everything they boiled up, plundered and brazenly stolen, should be returned to the state and their legal owners. To lift the moratorium "on the highest measure of social protection." To surround the Maidan with aspen stakes and to plant the bandyukovych power, as a warning to posterity.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 30 November 2013 09: 01
    13
    Quote: ZU-23
    As long as there is NATO, there will be enemies of Russia.

    Throughout its history, Russia has had enemies, NATO will not become, but the enemies will remain. IMHO
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 30 November 2013 09: 12
      0
      I knew that someone would write this))), well, at least these enemies will not bend their fingers much.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 30 November 2013 09: 57
        +6
        Quote: ZU-23
        I knew that someone would write this))), well, at least these enemies will not bend their fingers much.

        They do not bend them, only a short time, after the next agrebon from Russia
        1. ZU-23
          ZU-23 30 November 2013 11: 02
          +3
          By the way, we are not afraid of anyone, but when their code type is like NATO, here we need to think about it.
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  • shuhartred
    shuhartred 30 November 2013 17: 19
    0
    Quote: ZU-23
    As long as there is NATO, there will be enemies of Russia.

    Believe me, NATO will not become, others will appear.
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  • Humpty
    Humpty 30 November 2013 08: 19
    +1
    What they order count, then count.
  • Christian
    Christian 30 November 2013 08: 21
    +7
    If, leaving the house, a Russian person cannot vouch for the fact that he will not be cut by a newcomer, at the same time, it is possible that he will be declared guilty; if economic instability and rising prices grow every month, and wages are falling; if the process of replacing the indigenous population with newcomers is underway ; if streams of lies initiated by the state flow from the television screens; if the people do not see any "light at the end of the tunnel" of the decline of Russian national self-awareness, if the country's agriculture and industry are practically destroyed - the Russian person unconsciously or quite consciously (which is less common) comes to the idea, what not only in Russia,but the worst thing is In Russia, at the very top THERE ARE ENEMIES,
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 30 November 2013 09: 55
      0
      Quote: Christian
      ... if streams flow from the television state initiated lies .

      Oh, is it? Are you sure that these "streams" were organized by the Russian state?
      Article 13, paragraph 2 of the Constitution forbids us to have our own ideology, and the media are the agents of this. And what is ideology - such is life. They drive us thoughts under the shard, and as we think - so we live.




      Putin openly says that the media serves the interests of another state.
      1. Christian
        Christian 30 November 2013 11: 12
        +8
        In this case, such a guide, we do not need! Here is an example of a true LEADER OF NATION, responsible for EVERYTHING in his country-
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 30 November 2013 11: 28
          +3
          Quote: Christian
          In this case, such a guide, we do not need!

          Leadership or legislation?
          Do you want the government to break the laws, including and the basic law is the Constitution?
          Belarus wrote its Constitution itself, for us - the fifth column under the dictation of the Americans. Having put any leader without changing the "framework of what is permitted" - nothing will change, he will be forced to play by the same rules. The President is the guarantor of the Constitution.

          Putin announced the concept ( http://klin.hutt.ru/viewtopic.php?id=918 ) - A change in ideology and legislation is not far off.
        2. Orik
          Orik 30 November 2013 15: 47
          0
          I’m interested, considering your nickname, what you think about Lukashenko’s attitude to Orthodoxy, flirting with the Catholics and forming your own story coming not from the common font, but from ON. For the rest he is well done.
          1. Christian
            Christian 30 November 2013 18: 19
            -1
            What the presidents say is of little interest to me, but their affairs, yes. Lukashenko pursues Russian national politics in all spheres of society, from ideology to the rise of production. Putin is the exact opposite.
      2. Anatole Klim
        Anatole Klim 30 November 2013 12: 47
        +6
        Quote: Boris55
        They drive us thoughts under the shard.

        I watched your video where Putin speaks with Venediktov. I have an amateur at work listening to this radio, which is promoted not only by Russia's open enemies, but also by cunning, hidden ones. I have enough for 5 minutes, then boil, I begin to explain, to prove - he agrees, but after a while, he starts to listen again, I catch myself thinking that I want to grab the receiver and smash it on his head, I reassure myself - maybe they do it.
        1. densh
          densh 1 December 2013 00: 17
          +7
          I sympathize. Only my colleague likes to talk about the harmful influence of the "Finno-Ugric mentality" on the modern development of Ukraine and does not agree with any arguments. This is where the clinic is. fool
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 1 December 2013 00: 24
            +1
            And what offended him Mordovians, Komi, Chuvash ... Ask him
            1. Hudo
              Hudo 1 December 2013 00: 30
              +4
              Quote: Den 11
              And what offended him Mordovians, Komi, Chuvash ... Ask him


              Did you hear the ram bleating? These are approximately the information content and Svidomo speech. So there’s no one to ask.
            2. densh
              densh 2 December 2013 01: 37
              0
              Everything is much cooler here. From his words: they lived, to themselves, but the ancient Slavs-Aryans (Hyperboreans vary from time to time) and they were themselves quite European people. But then they were attacked by treacherous Finno-Finns and began to oppress with terrible force them and suppress national identity. And still oppression-suppression continues. Therefore, Ukraine cannot stand on a par with the leading European powers. wassat
              This is if, briefly, there is still a lot of different nonsense in this style. At first it was even funny to listen, then it became wildly enraging, then I got used to it like advertising. laughing
              My story was not a chatter, but a sad prose of life — I thought that such people died out in the 90s, but the dinosaur survived. hi
  • slovak007
    slovak007 30 November 2013 08: 22
    +3
    "In other years, the number of those who answered yes was lower. It is somewhat strange, but the minimum number of those who believe that Russia has enemies was noted only a year ago - 63%. Only a year - and what a sharp jump - by 15% at once."
    Maybe the sample of 1603 people out of 140 million people is not entirely sufficient? Where does such self-confidence come from that "the error in the course of such a survey does not exceed 3,4%."
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    1. Apollo
      Apollo 30 November 2013 08: 35
      +6
      I believe that Russia has enemies, namely global and international terrorism, international drug trafficking is about an external threat. As for the internal threat, bureaucratic lawlessness and rudeness, corruption and the selectivity of justice, the absence of real and fair reforms in the economic sector.

      Russia, like every other country, has its own geopolitical and national interests, in principle, it is. As for the enemy in the literal sense of the word, there are no such enemies.There are governments individual countries, which I would call not enemies, but rather opponents of Russia. If you take the peoples as a whole, not a single people living on earth wants Russia’s enmity, on the contrary, wants Russia to prosper, including my people that I represent in this forum.
      1. shuhartred
        shuhartred 30 November 2013 17: 52
        +1
        Quote: Apollon
        I believe that Russia has enemies, namely global and international terrorism, international drug trafficking is about an external threat. As for the internal threat, bureaucratic lawlessness and rudeness, corruption and the selectivity of justice, the absence of real and fair reforms in the economic sector.

        Russia, like every other country, has its own geopolitical and national interests, in principle, it is. As for the enemy in the literal sense of the word, there are no such enemies.There are governments individual countries, which I would call not enemies, but rather opponents of Russia. If you take the peoples as a whole, not a single people living on earth wants Russia’s enmity, on the contrary, wants Russia to prosper, including my people that I represent in this forum.

        That is, according to your logic, Russia is also not an enemy to anyone? In that case, why do literally all neighboring countries consider us enemies? Our government, personally us, makes no distinction. Who is fanning anti-Russian sentiments in the Baltic states, Poland, Ukraine, etc.? Why is the image of the enemy being built as the enemy and not the enemy? I was told to my face that I was an occupier (and therefore an enemy) in Ukraine when I was studying there in 92. And the armed forces of one country that opened fire on soldiers of another country (2008) also do not consider themselves their enemies, so "opponents" ... That is, we have no enemies, but for many of us the enemies are somehow illogical, don't you think? By the way, governments, in theory, express the opinion of the people. Something like this should be in a democracy. And people often come to power who have built their election program on anti-Russian rhetoric, i.e. creating the image of Russia as the image of the enemy.
  • major071
    major071 30 November 2013 08: 26
    12
    In order to know whether Russia has enemies, it is not necessary to conduct any surveys. You need to take off your pink glasses and look at reality.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 30 November 2013 09: 06
      +8
      Hello, Vladimir! Let me supplement your thoughts slightly.
      Quote: major071
      You need to take off your pink glasses and look at reality.

      A very significant number of internal enemies have long been worthy of the fact that FSIN officers looked at them through the peephole in the cell door. On the most indefatigable terrorugs and others like them - it is best to look through the slot of the sight. In this case, the remaining enemies (including external ones), if they do not see clearly, will try to harm every other time, and even then with caution.
      1. major071
        major071 30 November 2013 10: 08
        +7
        Good morning, Gleb! hi I fully support you! soldier
      2. Jogan-xnumx
        Jogan-xnumx 1 December 2013 02: 50
        +2
        And I support too! soldier
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 30 November 2013 08: 27
    +2
    Russia has only the three most important friends and allies of the Army Fleet Strategic Missile Forces .. !!!
    1. shpuntik
      shpuntik 30 November 2013 09: 26
      +3
      MIKHAN SU Today, 08:27
      Russia has only the three most important friends and allies of the Army Fleet Strategic Missile Forces .. !!!

      Bullet fool, bayonet well done !!! smile
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 30 November 2013 09: 29
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      in ARMY FLEET Strategic Rocket Forces .. !!

      But what about the stoibat? laughing
  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 30 November 2013 08: 44
    +3
    Why has the number of Russians, who believe that Russia has enemies, increased dramatically?

    because many see more clearly the tasks and methods of democrats
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 30 November 2013 08: 46
    +2
    Are there any enemies in RUSSIA .., umm, the answer is without options: YES! There were, are and will be. Both external and, worst of all, internal, those that seem friends.But the question would be good: WHO DO YOU CONSIDER THE ENEMIES OF RUSSIA ... THERE HERE WOULD BE POSSIBLE AND SURPRISED, yeah.
  • AK-47
    AK-47 30 November 2013 09: 01
    +2
    Are the mayors, "sirs" and "peers" who use their party ticket to solve their own financial problems to the detriment of the region and the people entrusted to them, this region inhabiting them - these are not the enemies of Russia? ..

    Enemies, most enemies, most. negative
  • shpuntik
    shpuntik 30 November 2013 09: 03
    +5
    Only a year - and what a sharp jump - immediately by 15%.

    The question of trusting Levada is correct. Plus the article. I would like to wish the author instead of "RUSSIANS" to write "RUSSIAN" more often. Of course, if possible.
    This is a strange word "levada", an incomprehensible name, something like "an echo from Moscow."
    LEVADA - women., Southerners. fenced or entrenched meadow or pasture; suburban mowing; sometimes levada turns into arable land; garden, Levadny garden, Dal's explanatory dictionary related to it. IN AND. Dahl. 1863 1866

    PS By the way, the results of the last census were not voiced somehow, in my opinion they were shy.
  • Sirs
    Sirs 30 November 2013 09: 17
    +8
    You are the enemy of Russia if you do not work (do nothing), work do at least something and then Russia will be invincible.
    1. complete zero
      complete zero 30 November 2013 11: 21
      +1
      Plus on one (there would be an opportunity would put +++++++)
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 30 November 2013 09: 22
    +1
    The enemy of Russia is the most important and strong THIS WE ARE YOURSELF! as it’s not bitterly stated, but this is a historical fact ..
  • KOH
    KOH 30 November 2013 09: 27
    +2
    Quote: mirag2
    That's it.
    Homegrown - one of them died:
    "... In December 1975, Natalya Gorbanevskaya emigrated: first to France, then to Poland. She worked in the editorial office of the Continent magazine, was a freelance employee of Radio Liberty, from the early 1980s to 2003 worked for the newspaper Russkaya Mysl "Since 1999 he has been a member of the editorial board and editorial board of the Russian-language Warsaw magazine" New Poland ", published in it as an author and as a translator ..."

    Source: http://www.calend.ru/person/7206/
    © Calend.ru



    Not very sad ... God forgive me !!!
  • Ddhal
    Ddhal 30 November 2013 09: 28
    +7
    The most important enemies of the people are people pursuing a current domestic policy, openly aimed at leveling the titular nation.
    The level of amateurism is off the charts. As the saying goes: "Simplicity is worse than theft." It seems that when a person falls into power, he moves into a parallel (isolated) world, depriving him of the opportunity to really look at things. A sort of golden cage. Just look at the prices in the Kremlin buffets. How far these people are from us ..
    1. Homo
      Homo 30 November 2013 09: 48
      -4
      I will print such "proofs" on your printer immeasurably!
      1. Ddhal
        Ddhal 30 November 2013 09: 54
        +2
        No doubt..
        Also printE, please, for yourself rules of good form when addressing strangers.
        1. Homo
          Homo 1 December 2013 09: 33
          -3
          If we are talking about "good form", then what does this photo and commentary have to do with the article? Or "I croaked, but at least don't dawn there"!
      2. Timeout
        Timeout 30 November 2013 12: 10
        +8
        Quote: Homo
        I will print such "proofs" on your printer immeasurably!



        Take and check the TIN from the check: 7704205060
        Result: http: //www.okpo.ru/egrul_2ac9e082e.html

        Registration Region:
        MOSCOW AND MOSCOW REGION
        Name of the legal entity:
        6 DEPARTMENT OF THE FEDERAL SERVICE OF SECURITY OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION
        VAT number: 7704205060
        BIN: 1057704013740
        Legal entity registration address:
        107073 KREMLIN
        Date of registration: 22.10.1991/XNUMX/XNUMX
        If desired, you can find the registration of the cash register ...
        1. Homo
          Homo 1 December 2013 09: 37
          -2
          For people who are not familiar with "printing" using a computer. There is a cash register emulator program that reproduces any type of cash register. And the TIN and the registration data of the cash register can be taken from a real check (which may have completely different numbers)! So, as lawyers say, this is circumstantial evidence!
    2. rpek32
      rpek32 30 November 2013 09: 49
      +2
      Quote: DDHAL
      How far these people are from us ..

      Or maybe it's in dollars? laughing

      In general, it's sad
    3. Russ69
      Russ69 30 November 2013 19: 43
      +2
      Quote: DDHAL
      Look at the prices in the Kremlin buffets.

      Prices in Kremlin and Duma canteens can be said to have been stuck since the first Duma ...
      And not a single deputy, from any party, has yet been indignant about this ...
  • veteran56
    veteran56 30 November 2013 09: 31
    +2
    Russia’s enemies have always been both internal and external. If external ones are almost always the same, then unfortunately internal ones have become more and more in recent times. The most interesting thing is that there are more and more of them in Moscow. This is because Moscow as the magnet attracts everything that the rest of Russia rejects; it’s time to cleanse our capital not only of illegal migrants, but also of internal enemies and evict them on a reservation in the sparsely populated areas of the endless tundra. I think that Kasyanov and Nemtsov have the place there.
  • individual
    individual 30 November 2013 09: 35
    +1
    The Levada Center has its own calculations, each has its own.
    If earlier I voted supporting the authorities, now taking into account the events related to "Oboronservis", the "protection by the prosecutor's office" of the gaming business, other high-profile cases that the authorities cover, I WILL NOT VOTE FOR THIS POWER.
  • KOH
    KOH 30 November 2013 09: 38
    +3
    Quote: veteran56
    Russia’s enemies have always been both internal and external. If external ones are almost always the same, then unfortunately internal ones have become more and more in recent times. The most interesting thing is that there are more and more of them in Moscow. This is because Moscow as the magnet attracts everything that the rest of Russia rejects; it’s time to cleanse our capital not only of illegal migrants, but also of internal enemies and evict them on a reservation in the sparsely populated areas of the endless tundra. I think that Kasyanov and Nemtsov have the place there.


    Why just relocate? Let the northern lands be cleared of the technical garbage of the USSR, there is nothing for nothing to eat bread ... laughing
  • samoletil18
    samoletil18 30 November 2013 09: 38
    +2
    Ah yes Volodin! Ah well done! Poll, pah! Commonplace. But, not in the hands of Alexei Volodin. Even under such evidence, it turns out the scientific base. And reveal the enemy. I will look forward to the next survey from the Levada Center in your interpretation. Per article +.
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  • kmike
    kmike 30 November 2013 09: 38
    +6
    There are enemies and there are plenty of them. Even Madeleine Albright, being Secretary of State, said: “Russia is such a rich country that it’s unfair that it belongs to one people.” She said that the rest of the US leaders are afraid to speak out loud, but dream of becoming masters in our land. But with this, everything is clear, we know about their secret desires. Much worse than all sorts of Gozmans, Udaltsovs, Sobchachka. Separately in this gang can be attributed Serdyukov with his women’s team. And the rest of the mayors are thieves.
  • Sigismund
    Sigismund 30 November 2013 09: 46
    +2
    “Rossi has two friends, the army and the navy.” I agree with those who emphasize the threat from within. There is no point in listing them, starting with local Judas. And I think we’ll cope with the outside. Russia is no stranger to it. Of course, it is desirable without the military conflicts. "The victory is won by the samurai who achieves the goal without taking out his sword." Strongly said.
  • rpek32
    rpek32 30 November 2013 09: 48
    +4
    Quote: Captain Vrungel
    almost children dancing and singing in the cold. Bandits in the form used noise grenades, gas. They beat the children with clubs and legs.

    practically children? What is it like?
    And what the hell did the kids do at the political rally at night? Or maybe parents are just deer? Or maybe not just parents?
    Or maybe this phrase is just a means of managing public opinion? 18-year-olds can also be called "practically children" ... OH SHI ~!

    shl. googled the news. Dispersed, why do you know? Because the brawls began in the square. So say thank you for the dispersal of your local "pravdobotstam, European integrators" or someone else there.

    November 30, 2013 07:25


    Kiev. November 30th. INTERFAX-UKRAINE - In connection with a number of clashes and incidents that have occurred over the past few hours on the Independence Square in Kiev, a decision was made to push people out of the main square of the capital, the Kiev police told Interfax-Ukraine.

    As they said in the Moscow police, after the incidents that occurred on Friday late in the evening, there were still clashes with representatives of utilities.

    “Due to a number of incidents and clashes, it was decided to push people back from the Independence Square,” the police explained.

    See the original material at http://www.interfax.ru/world/news.asp?id=344272


    and on the occasion of the cold. Only the completed "Eurointegrator" will light up under the Euromarch without having warmed up. Well, those who did not dress for the weather on purpose are their problems. as they say, Mother Earth itself will cleanse the gene pool from fools.
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 30 November 2013 10: 33
      -8
      Vladimir! I do not need to draw information from the "original" pakhanat. I saw everything with my own eyes. Everything was calm until the bandit authorities today released the lured and paid "titushki" provocateurs with the aim of provoking clashes and allowing the bandit authorities to launch already full-time bandits in the uniform of vultures. It is a pity that you did not see all this with your own eyes. Maybe the opinion about young people and the people has changed in a positive direction and the meanness, cruelty and cynicism of the authorities would have been manifested in full.
      I hope that Putin is following the events in Ukraine and will show the presumptuous boor a place in the stall of "friends of Russia" provoking confrontation between Ukraine and Russia.
      Sometimes it seems to me that this near ruler, his entourage, advisers, political scientists and others close by, are doing everything to show his stupidity and stupidity. to do acts that compromise him as a leader and a person. The events of recent days show that he was simply decided to merge by his party members, but from another financial group.
      1. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 30 November 2013 19: 12
        -1
        Minus Yanukovych's patriots! Follow the news. The rats have already rushed from the sinking of Yanukovych's boat. And not just rats, but in "authority". Lyovochkin pulled away. Even the black-mouthed mouthpiece of the regionals Bogoslovskaya rushed, wishing Yanukovych to resign and warning that on Monday the pro-government majority would be in the minority. We'll live until Monday. I am sure that all supporters of Bandyukovich who minus me, with a gritt of teeth, admit that their narrow-minded, arrogant and stupid godfather was simply drained. Thrown like a sucker. The violent dispersal of the Maidan was beautifully framed in front of the world community and the rating in front of its own people was reset.
        WE WILL LIVE BEFORE MONDAY. Comrades, gentlemen, citizens. Something must change. . SO IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO LIVE. Not by faith. NO CONSCIENCE.
        1. Oleg Kharkov
          Oleg Kharkov 30 November 2013 21: 29
          0
          This is such an idiotic trick for Yanukovych that it is very similar to a provocation. I doubt that Euromaidan really interfered with someone.
        2. Jogan-xnumx
          Jogan-xnumx 1 December 2013 04: 01
          +3
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          Passing patriots of Yanukovych!

          I put cons on all your comments. hi Reasons: for the narrow-mindedness and, excuse me, the banal small-town euphoric. I have never been a patriot of Yanukovych and PR, however, like the rest of our unfinished presidents with their hangers-on. And never will. I was and will remain a PATRIOT OF THE SOVIET UNION! Unlike such maidanutnyh European integrators like you. They cussed you on the Maidan - and they did it right! Little cudgel for your corrupt stupidity! Wanted to Europe? Get together in Galychin, separate from normal Ukraine and scratch there with all the utmost speed, almost in the hands of you! There’s no need for cleaning there ...
          Why are you different about your Euromaidan? Is this related to the article under discussion? Or from you here heroism after cops podzhopnikov flooded? Leaked Yaneka? And to hell with him! He is the same parasite as his gang and your maydaun! Both these gangs of corrupt thieves should be shot at least from half! And not just smack. Fighters for the country, damn it ... Yes, you are already so "set" that you are already twisting! Walk around the Maidans and wait for manna from heaven from Europe. And for the good of their country, no one even spits! Who Yuscha in power on the Maidan yelled? Who fights for Yulka? Who voted for Janek, waved flags? AND? If not you specifically, then such maydanutye like you!
          I marvel at the impenetrable stupidity of people like you! fool Really your brains polished to a knee-shine do not reach who is behind all the Maidan? That Ukraine is not needed in Europe! That Europe was, is and will be an enemy for us! What use us as a prostitute in the fight against Russia! Do you really think that after this association, our government will become truly democratic, that the courts will judge fairly, that officials will have a conscience and responsibility, that infrastructure will be built, etc. that Europe will unfasten money from its taxes on our hunger strike ? We have to work ourselves!
          Why do you have enough mind to crucify here for this lousy Maidan with a bunch of morons, but you didn’t have enough mind to say how Kuchma at one time took away the results of the referendum? Or how did Yushchenko referendum hold in spite of the signatures collected? Or how does the Herit have the same referendum in the presence of the same signatures of the people? And this is the only legal way to know and fulfill the will of the people! Then vote for your Europe. Legally vote, and not on the Maidan fool.
          And so as not to be minus - you do not need to show your nonsense in public. My regards! hi
          1. Captain Vrungel
            Captain Vrungel 1 December 2013 09: 03
            +1
            Sorry, but time will judge us. I have never been a nationalist. Both at work and at work, an internationalist. I am not speaking for the EU and nationalists, but against a gang of shaposhniks, thimblers, skated, threw from your region who seized power. There are no nationalists on the Maidan. There are people from all over Ukraine (and from your region completely strangled by bandits, as your people are directly talking about) who have put forward today the main demand for "BANDU GET". I'm not showing nonsense, you are stupid. Not only one must be able to read, but also think, analyze and draw conclusions. Good luck! We'll live until Monday.
            1. Jogan-xnumx
              Jogan-xnumx 1 December 2013 14: 27
              +1
              Quote: Captain Vrungel
              I’m not showing nonsense, you are stupid. You must be able to not only read, but also think, analyze and draw conclusions. Good luck We will live until Monday.

              Yes, I read and calculated for a long time, including yours and similar "delights". Analysis and conclusions are part of my profession. It is not for you to teach me this, if only because I, unlike you, do not wander around the Maidans.
              Now only you and others like you have woken up ... And then half. Where have you all been before, starting from 91st? Were you cowardly for your lard? He draws conclusions ... The gang has captured the country ... Yes, it has! But not now, but precisely when such headless people were touched by "independence"! Then it was not visible what was actually happening, "analyst" Are you ours? Since then, one gang has replaced another, using you as reusable condom to get to the trough. You are no longer needed there and nafig! And you, like a herd of sheep, stupidly bleat on the Maidans - there is someone there. In the elections, voting had to be done! Referendums uphold! And to judge the candidates not by the unctuous noodle on the ears of the electorate, but by real deeds. Then the Maidans would not have had to be otsykat.
              I don't know what region you are from (judging by the rhetoric, you live not far from Kiev), but it is unambiguous that your region is "strangled by bandits" just like mine. If not more. To bring here that dregs, which the maydanuty idiots have spoken to you there, is of course ... The pinnacle of thinking! People like you. Only I saw and see who exactly from us went there to Maidan. Something like combed (Schaub dogs did not bark) rabble, but a dozen other custom-made patriots who will be able to cheat even their own go.
              Live until Monday and beyond. Without straining. There is more harm from initiative fools than from outright enemies. On Monday, nothing will happen. Well, maybe too zealous maydauns of podzhopniks from cops will get. And that’s it.
              Finally, you need some information to think about, in order to really think, they started.
              "Judge the sins of others, all of you zealously strive.
              Start with yours. And you won't get to strangers ... "V. Shakespeare.

              Be healthy! hi
  • RUS96
    RUS96 30 November 2013 09: 49
    +2
    Yes, and without polls, it is clear that there are more than enough people who want (enemies). They sleep and see when we are weak, so that they can swoop in and chew. But h ... ki them in the ass. We will share the surplus (for money), and so suck the lady, "nartners".)))
  • Grbear
    Grbear 30 November 2013 09: 51
    +2
    It is normal, from the point of view of a Russian person, if you are "shoved" into a completely unnecessary "thing" and, at the same time, grabbed by the sleeve and threaten - to hit the drum. It does not work (for ethical reasons - he does not hit the little ones or for physical reasons - he "pestered" a lot of different ones) - he will shut the door tightly and show his fist. And if yeshe and "his" podzuzhivaet and crap - then this is a turnip. And it is right good .

    This does not mean that the Russians have become more aggressive (and this is exactly the conclusion that the Levadists will get). This means that strangers and "ours" began to get it. And this is fraught angry .
  • Owl
    Owl 30 November 2013 09: 51
    +5
    It should be remembered that the Levada Center is an instrument of the liberals. They now want to intimidate the Russian population with a bogeyman of the "cold war", the past will return and everything will be bad, as under Gorbat (whom the liberal "plush" LADY awarded with the highest order). As for the hostile environment of Russia, these are all the countries that surround us (except Belarus and possibly Kazakhstan) and the eternal enemies of Russia in the person of the United States, Great Britain and the countries of the European Union controlled by them, in addition, one should not forget about Israel and about Muslim countries striving for a leading position in the region (Turkey) or about countries preaching radical Islam and trying to "export the faith", creating a "great caliphate". The results of the poll show that the population of Russia is not blind and sees external and internal enemies (which are "protected" by the liberals) and that the results of patriotic education are gradually appearing.
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  • Muadipus
    Muadipus 30 November 2013 09: 56
    +7
    As long as Russia has something to rob and what to steal, enemies will always be there.
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  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 30 November 2013 10: 04
    +2
    Quote: Muadipus
    As long as Russia has something to rob and what to steal, enemies will always be there.

    As Bismarck said, "With the Russians you can only be honest .. they will take their money anyway"))))
    1. 225chay
      225chay 30 November 2013 11: 34
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      As Bismarck said, "With the Russians you can only be honest .. they will take their money anyway"))))

      The West will never honestly work with us and do not expect!
      They have already "honestly" exterminated the native inhabitants of America - the Indians ...
      The same will be tested in Russia. Alcohol, international, unless there are still not enough infected blankets ...
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 30 November 2013 10: 05
    +6
    Quote: Hudo
    A very significant number of internal enemies have long been worthy of being watched by FSIN officers through the peephole in the cell door

    Or maybe save in custody ...
  • calocha
    calocha 30 November 2013 10: 07
    +2
    All mass media should be taken into state hands. One chernukha is pouring from the screens and pages of newspapers ... and meanwhile sausage ... is getting more expensive. (The pricing should be regulated by the State. Example - Maduro ...
  • DPN
    DPN 30 November 2013 10: 08
    +1
    But because all the decrees and laws on paper for the people, which is called verbiage. In reality, there are a lot of examples against the people: taking the housing and communal services as well, you get to pay for the services and suck your paw like a bear in a den before retirement, before it cost 10% of the salary, housing could be obtained within 10 years, who in a hurry could afford a cooperative (it was called -gold), Now the bourgeoisie has already paid off, the middle peasants have been driven into a mortgage for the whole of their conscious lives, and those who have not learned to steal are not shining for the foreseeable future.
    And judging by the check, in general, grace came who is at the coma and having a fabulous salary can afford a natural piece of meat for 10 rubles, and a person (a non-human having a salary or pension of 10000 rubles) must buy for 300 rubles to survive. The courts that the GDP relies on help only those who manage to hire a wealthy lawyer. From here, and it turns out a man for a long time lingering at the feeder automatically becomes an enemy of his people.
  • DPN
    DPN 30 November 2013 10: 08
    0
    and because all the decrees and laws are on paper for the people, which is called verbiage. In reality, there are a lot of primes against the people: taking the housing and communal services as well, you get to pay for the services and, before retiring, suck your paw like a bear in a lair, before it cost 10% of the salary, you can was to get within 10 years, who in a hurry could afford a cooperative (it was called -gold), Now the bourgeoisie has already paid off, the middle peasants have been driven into a mortgage for their entire conscious life, and those who have not learned to steal are not shining for the foreseeable future.
    And judging by the check, in general, grace came who is at the coma and having a fabulous salary can afford a natural piece of meat for 10 rubles, and a person (a non-human having a salary or pension of 10000 rubles) must buy for 300 rubles to survive. The courts that the GDP relies on help only those who manage to hire a wealthy lawyer. From here, and it turns out a man for a long time lingering at the feeder automatically becomes an enemy of his people.
  • morpogr
    morpogr 30 November 2013 10: 12
    +1
    Our country has always been and will be the object of attack by enemies and envious people and it is very unfortunate that they have such assistants as thieves and liberals within Our country.
    1. atalef
      atalef 30 November 2013 10: 57
      -9
      Quote: morpogr
      Our country has always been and will be the object of attack by enemies and envious

      Strange, just as a fact. explain to me why more people leave the USSR / RF than they come? Unless of course we take into account the southern former republics (they are definitely envious)
      So back to our sheep, explain exactly who is jealous?
      1. shuhartred
        shuhartred 1 December 2013 03: 10
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        Quote: morpogr
        Our country has always been and will be the object of attack by enemies and envious

        Strange, just as a fact. explain to me why more people leave the USSR / RF than they come? Unless of course we take into account the southern former republics (they are definitely envious)
        So back to our sheep, explain exactly who is jealous?

        They envy not our standard of living, but the presence of a huge territory and no less huge natural reserves. Who is jealous? All of Europe is for sure, Japan, China and of course the USA. True, the latter are jealous not because they do not have this, but because we have it. I won’t say for Israel, I don’t know, but I think if something happened, they would not refuse a piece of the pie.
  • sashka
    sashka 30 November 2013 10: 17
    +2
    Enemies are always there when the eggs interfere with the "dancer".
  • sashka
    sashka 30 November 2013 10: 17
    0
    Enemies are always there when the eggs interfere with the "dancer".
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 30 November 2013 10: 23
    +3
    СThe threat structure for Russia is not limited to a military external and internal adversary. Significant threats exist in the field of moral, psychological and ideological areas. Military potential adversaries are known to everyone: the United States and NATO. And let these heralds of war not dress up in the toga of peace-lovers. We saw their "peacefulness" in Yugoslavia, Libya, and further around the world. There are moral, psychological and ideological threats both within our state and outside. They work hard in peacetime. But the damage from them is no less than from a military invasion.