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Tsatskie yes brooches. It's wrong with us with the premium system

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As you know, Mikhail Gorbachev, to his 80 anniversary, was awarded the Order of St. Andrew the First-Called - the highest award of modern Russia. And for what services - to the broad masses of the people is not quite clear (more precisely, it is completely incomprehensible). Lived up to 80 years? So is not he alone in the country made a similar feat. Now all the old men to award this order? And the rest of the accomplishments of the former Secretary General, to put it mildly, are more than debatable. And it's time to stop distributing state awards for anniversaries, and even more so for pseudo anniversaries (when you don’t reward, and sometimes you need to flog, and it must be done mercilessly). Only this episode alone says that there is no special order in the country either in the awards or in the award system itself.


To begin with, I will cite an excerpt from the book by Oleg Kurylev, The Battle Awards of the Third Reich. Illustrated Encyclopedia. M., publishing house EKSMO, 2005, 352 p., Ill. Allocations in the text made by me.

“Branding Nazism is, of course, necessary when it comes to concentration camps, the“ final decision ”and other delusional plans of the National Socialists. But, arguing about the phenomenon of the German military machine, which twice shaken Europe in the last century, and with it a significant part of the world, it is more useful, perhaps, to understand what motivated the German army, what such reasons and secrets made it qualitatively better in the first half of XX century, why the German soldier endured the cold and hunger of the environment for months, and did not plod, bowed his head dejectedly, to surrender to the victor’s mercy on the third day, realizing that no one would help him. What made the German proud of his uniform, banner, regiment and commander? Why clothes, designed for maintenance of equipment or landing from aircraft, became the most honorable and ceremonial? Why, after both lost wars, veterans proudly carried their awards, realizing that the people cannot reproach them for defeat?

Tsatskie yes brooches. It's wrong with us with the premium systemThese are not rhetorical questions. It would be nice to get answers to them in order to understand and learn. In this regard, the German uniform is extremely interesting, his история and role in the fate of the Third Reich.

In the preface to the book by Brian Lee Davis “Uniforms of the Third Reich”, the author clearly noted that if the German army of that time was dressed in faceless and dull service jackets like those worn in China in 50 – 60's, then it is unlikely to have to such success. When an officer wears the same, relatively speaking, kolovorotku, as an ordinary, and his distinctive sign is a nondescript diamond on the collar, neither one nor the other have any pride in their uniform (it is the uniform, not the uniform). When countries can give the highest award for a military feat, and the chairman of a collective farm for the anniversary (this is about the Order of Lenin), its value and desire are not worth the gold and platinum that went to make it. A well thought out, rigorous and compact reward system creates a huge incentive for self-sacrifice. Remember Prince Andrew, a clever and rational man, who nevertheless is ready to die in a moment of glory. But die beautiful. Even realizing that only soldiers can see this death. Own and others. Not the highest light, not women, not familiar.

Everyone has seen many times in the movies or in the old newsreel of the German Iron Cross. But how many people imagine what this award meant for the German soldier, for the German in general, the whole army as a whole throughout its nearly two centuries of history. In such items, magic power is sometimes concentrated, the effect of which on people is often underestimated. Those politicians who realized that PRIDE should not only be a word or a call, but also have a visible embodiment in the banner, uniform, and awards, could create subordinates of a single will, nation, army and state.

An iron cross, a steel helmet, an imperial eagle are not just well-known accessories. These are symbols of that Germany, forever inscribed in its history, as well as in the history of mankind. Albeit not on its most joyful pages. Yes, they were not in the endless series of wars and pauses to prepare for new ones. ”

To understand that we have something wrong with the award system, just look at our veterans. It hurts to look at them from time to time. The rule of good tone in old men began to be hung with all sorts of badges from the throat to the knees. And some wear their badges in rows, others - herringbone, the third - in a square-nested way, the fourth - in the style of artistic disorder. Amidst all this pseudo magnificence, there are a lot of homemade / self-made awards. And there are almost no deserved battles on the fields. Given the age (most at the time of the end of hostilities were simple soldiers), one or two maximum.

There are a lot of stories when young people ask for old men, pseudo-awaited from head to toe: “Grandfather, call me to me!”. And it seems like our grandfathers are mortally offended. But after all, these offensive sentences have, forgive, their reason. The youth intuitively, on a subconscious level, feel the true value of these fake orders and medals. And for an example: such a request - “tsatskami tune” cannot be heard in Germany, addressed, say, to the Knight’s Cross knight. First, one cross on the neck does not give way to a bell, no matter how hard you try. Well, the Germans do not hang themselves seven to ten kilograms of awards for one jacket. And secondly, everyone in Germany knows that this cross is awarded exclusively to those who were on the battlefield and solely for great military achievements. It was impossible to get it, sitting in a bunker in the rear, for extrajudicial executions and expulsions, for hard labor on farmlands, for feats in dungeons. In Germany such a cross is worn only by an infantryman, a pilot, a submariner, a tankman.

It is clear that our old people are like children. The more I hung, the more Ponte (forgive me, my God, for such a language). Many grandfathers are frankly ill, and a significant part (not excluding multi-star generals) is sorrowful with the mind. But where is the role of the state? Why not bring an elementary order to this question?

And what's the point of rewarding all old men without exception for the next holiday with pseudo-medals? Or, as before, in 1985, when all participants in the war were awarded the Order of the Patriotic War. What is the value of this award now after massively / polls hands? I have never been a supporter of all sorts of conspiracy theories (for even without this fools in the country have been in store for the next hundred years with excess). But maybe there is some kind of malicious intent in the fact that representatives of the army-victorious great powers look like discharged parrots and even outwardly do not cause any respect? And there is one not completely clear question from the point of view of simple arithmetic. If for every German aircraft shot down, burned German tank, drowned ship, if for one killed and wounded soldier and officer of the Wehrmacht there are several of our units of equipment and military personnel of the Red Army, then where does this premium magnificence come from? Somehow it does not add up.

Why are there old men. What is today, say, the value of the Gold Star medal of the Hero of the Russian Federation, if you can get it for feats on the battlefields, and for puffing on a wrestling mat? Or wound snot in a fist on the track - and you are the Hero of Russia?

Or else he destroyed the army and navy under zero, even without a second having been in the combat area for a long 43-year military service (it’s not even about exploits, but only about the very fact of being in the place where they are firing) and to hang a secret decree the Star of the Hero of the Russian Federation? Yes, below stick a reborn George Cross in the bargain. Maybe that is why the “Golden Star” of the Hero of modern Russia in certain circles became known as a brooch?

What to do? At least put things in order, with an iron hand. It is completely obvious what is needed:? 1. Stop the jubilee awards. 2. Prohibit the wearing of commemorative medals, including rewards for years of service (and previously issued medals put in boxes and stored in the chest of drawers). 3. Strictly prohibit the sharing of state awards and any kind of badge (any, with the exception of the high school graduation mark, class mark and the Guard badge) 4. Punish the wearing of self-made awards. 5. It is hard to establish how many and what items can be on the uniform of a serviceman (no more than five or six). 6. Develop all the clear rules of wearing state awards and punish them for violation (and it is very simple to punish: you dress up with a tropical parrot - do not let them go to meetings, concerts, stands). 7. Only carry rewards for feats on the battlefield - and no others.

Is there at least one example of the correct wearing of state awards in domestic films? Oddly enough, there is - this is the Kuban Cossacks ribbon. Take a closer look, with what dignity and how beautifully they wear orders and medals of the USSR.
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  1. Edward72
    Edward72 27 November 2013 07: 30
    21
    Sometimes it’s just a wonder when a reward is shown on the box, it was necessary to shoot him ten times, and he got a medal.
    1. MuadDib
      MuadDib 27 November 2013 07: 44
      16
      For a dodgy mind a medal was given.
      1. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. 27 November 2013 08: 58
        13
        My father returned from the war with only two medals: "For Courage" and "For Victory over Germany." And then they hung it like a Christmas tree. You won't see real awards behind them.
        1. domokl
          domokl 27 November 2013 09: 25
          19
          Quote: Nikolai S.
          My father returned from the war with only two medals: "For Courage" and "For Victory over Germany

          My grandfather had 14 military awards .. Orders and medals .... But he wore the only Partisan of the Great Patriotic War 1 degree ... In Belarus, this award was the most respected.
          Probably from him and I have the same attitude to medals-wear only fighting ... Rattles were on the parade while I served ..
          But the author is right in one thing: it is necessary to clearly separate state awards from departmental, awards of public organizations, just badges (like happy birthday). Otherwise, the value of the awards is devalued. Our fathers went to the demonstrations with one or two awards and were proud of them, but now they are even well-deserved awards wear shy ..
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 27 November 2013 09: 40
            13
            My grandfather wore only the "Battle Red Banner" and on May 9 he was still wearing a bar. The tankman (personnel) from the 39th year fought and reached Breslau (which he liberated).
            Grandma's brother wore only "Patriotic War" and did not even wear the bar. The driver, in the first days of the war, drove at full speed into a column of fascists, how he survived was surprised (but I didn't get the "Patriotic War" for that, you have to ask your father). Another grandmother's brother wore the entire "econostasis" on May 9, but looked at the photo, only military awards ...
            I see nothing wrong. The main thing is that not the mummers should be real veterans.
            1. alone
              alone 27 November 2013 19: 32
              0
              My father's brothers went with one medal. "For courage." I once asked why only one go: -Both answered: -We are enough! each had 4-5 orders and medals. both were front-line soldiers.
              1. il grand casino
                il grand casino 28 November 2013 14: 57
                0
                My grandfather wore "For Courage" (always on Sundays, on holidays and when he went to state institutions) ... he got it at the age of 18, when in his first battle during an attack he was the first to break into the enemy's position and hand-to-hand (the machine gun jammed) put a machine-gun crew of three ... The rest did not wear. Only on May 9 he put it on. But this is a sore subject. German grandfather - they disliked him in our town ... they called him a fascist ...
          2. kris
            kris 27 November 2013 12: 06
            +4
            Russian President Vladimir Putin 29 October 2013 in the Catherine’s Hall of the Kremlin presented state awards to famous actors, businessmen, spiritual leaders and other persons. Among the recipients are actresses Chulpan Khamatova and Inna Churikova, actors Alexander Zbruyev, Dmitry Pevtsov and Vladimir Etush, head of the Magnitogorsk Iron and Steel Works Viktor Rashnikov and general director of Gazprominvestholding Alisher Usmanov, directors Mark Zakharov and Yuri Lyubimov and others.
            1. military
              military 28 November 2013 16: 18
              +1
              Quote: Bronis
              "For Services to the Fatherland" is the most "civil" order. Somehow everyone got used to it. And here is nonsense .... there is in Russia and the Order of Alexander Nevsky. But it turns out that he is no longer a military man, but an official! As for the civil reward system, they give it not for specifics, but "in total." And so it turns out, the regional minister sat in his chair for 10 years - IV degree "For merit ..." (this is not a joke, but precedents).

              this "civil order itself" has a very interesting statute ... they are awarded not according to "ascending", from degree to degree, but arbitrarily ... and to obtain the highest degree there is absolutely no need to wipe the trousers in the ministerial chair for 10 years. .. just be closer to the "body" ...
              By the way, there is such a full holder of this award (all 4 degrees) - Victor Zubkov ... wink
          3. Bronis
            Bronis 27 November 2013 13: 36
            +1
            Quote: domokl
            But the author is right in one thing - it is necessary to clearly separate state awards from departmental, awards of public organizations, just badges (like happy birthday). Otherwise, the value of the awards is devalued.

            Yes, they are legally differentiated. But in practice, it is difficult for people "not in the subject" to understand what's what. "For Services to the Fatherland" is the most "civil" order. Somehow everyone got used to it. And here is nonsense .... there is in Russia and the Order of Alexander Nevsky. But it turns out that he is no longer a military man, but an official!
            As for the civil reward system, they give it not for specifics, but "in total." And so it turns out, the regional minister sat in his chair for 10 years - IV degree "For merit ..." (this is not a joke, but precedents).
            But for public medals such as "Patron of the Millennium" it is necessary to prohibit the use of the colors of the Russian flag, the shape of the shoe and the diameter of the medals should be set smaller. No eagles, St. Andrew's crosses and other associations. Also prohibit the use of the names "medal" and "order" for them. Just a "commemorative sign", possibly indicating "non-state". Well, it is natural to establish a ban on wearing all this together with departmental and state awards.
            1. soldier's grandson
              soldier's grandson 28 November 2013 00: 51
              0
              It seems that Nevsky was given for the capture of Koenigsberg, and his grandmother’s brother was awarded such an order.
          4. Nicholas C.
            Nicholas C. 27 November 2013 14: 29
            +1
            Quote: domokl
            But he wore the only Partisan of the Great Patriotic War of the 1st degree ..

            My father partisaned in the Bryansk region from the 1942go until the front arrived in late August 1943go, but did not receive a partisan medal.
            1. domokl
              domokl 27 November 2013 18: 46
              +1
              Quote: Nikolai S.
              My father partisaned in the Bryansk region from the 1942go until the front arrived in late August 1943go, but did not receive a partisan medal.

              There was a rather complicated reward system. Most received second-degree medals-bronze, and only unit commanders and higher received the first degree-silver. On the contrary, it happened.
        2. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 27 November 2013 10: 19
          +6
          after a skirmish with some kind of troll, here on the site, when I was with my mother, I asked my grandfather's awards to look, in order to find out exactly what they were, to my shame I did not remember ... the Order of the Red Star, two Orders of the Patriotic War of the second degree, medals "for courage "and" for the Victory over Germany "were attached to the same rag ... and the jubilee" tsatski "lay in a heap, in a box, my grandfather never wore them.
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 27 November 2013 10: 23
            0
            The same story.
        3. Heccrbq.3
          Heccrbq.3 27 November 2013 13: 01
          -1
          For Courage is given for a specific combat episode. I would be proud of this medal, but it would be nice to clean the ranks of the Heroes and start with the academician and the famous black forgive the Lord pontorez.
        4. Heccrbq.3
          Heccrbq.3 27 November 2013 13: 03
          -1
          For Courage is given for a specific combat episode. I would be proud of this medal, but it would be nice to clean the ranks of the Heroes and start with the academician and the famous black forgive the Lord pontorez.
      2. kris
        kris 27 November 2013 11: 57
        +8
        Something like this !
    2. klimpopov
      klimpopov 27 November 2013 08: 39
      +6
      So something is wrong with the "Hero of Russia" ... If you understand the hint.
      and for panting on wrestling mat

      And for ... well, you know why, he himself spoke ...
    3. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 27 November 2013 08: 54
      26
      After awarding Gorbachev (Medvedev) and earlier Yeltsin (Putin), Kadyrov the hero’s star, I treat modern Russian awards as ... not worthy of respect.
      Remember the refusal of General Rokhlin from the "Hero of Russia" medal, saying that moral principles do not allow you to be proud of victories in a war in your own country. General Rokhlin's refusal is even more respectful than if he accepted the award.
      Another attitude, heroic and reverent to the awards of veterans, fathers and grandfathers received in battles and battles. Remember only the names: the order of the RED STAR, the order of the BATTLE OF THE RED Banner, the order of the GLORY, the medal of the HERO of the SOVIET UNION! Awe in the soul and admiration for the achievement of their accomplishment!
      I agree with the author of the article that not everything is in order in our award system when officials, traitors like Gorbachev, and few people are honored are awarded, remember the awarding of the order of the defendant in the Ministry of Defense Vasilyeva, actors, directors, singers, writers, whose work is controversial athletes who have already been awarded and awarded Olympic medals, championships.
      But the soldiers (the examples on the site were), scientists, laborers who did important things for the state, remained unmarked.
      So, there is a problem with state awards in Russia.
      1. APES
        APES 27 November 2013 09: 44
        +9
        I fully and completely agree with you

        Quote: vladimirZ
        So, there is a problem with state awards in Russia


        let me add:

        the problem is primarily with values
        1. aviamed90
          aviamed90 27 November 2013 11: 39
          +6
          APES

          I think you're right.

          Another medal for the length of service on the tunic of an elderly major speaks of much greater real benefit to the Fatherland than the star of the Hero of Russia on the chest of the army general and chief of the General Staff.
      2. Gregazov
        Gregazov 27 November 2013 10: 45
        +3
        After World War II, until the beginning of the 60s, they were awarded the Orders of the Red Star and the Order of Lenin for the length of service. Then these awards were canceled and medals for the length of service were introduced instead of these awards.
        I do not see anything reprehensible in the wearing of these medals, especially by those servicemen who did not escape from the army in the 90s and early 2000, continued to serve despite the efforts of politicians.
        Do not fetish the military orders received for the length of service and the anniversary.
      3. kaktus
        kaktus 27 November 2013 15: 53
        0
        And they refused to reward astronauts, like flying into space now is no longer a feat angry
    4. Grandson of Veteran
      Grandson of Veteran 27 November 2013 10: 01
      +5
      "and he has a medal."
      Okay, when the state awards. But when any private gathering institutes its own orders and medals! Either they will present each other with the Order of the Hero of the Fight for the Rights of the North Sea Terns, or with the medal "Guardian of All Chukotka". And children and adolescents look at such a "gentleman" and think, Hera! Yes, everything with state symbols! am
    5. uhjpysq1
      uhjpysq1 27 November 2013 14: 26
      +1
      a sewer manhole on his neck, not an order. to finish it, but hiding somewhere in Europe. bastard !! I have an ice ax, I don’t have enough money for the ticket.
  2. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 27 November 2013 07: 39
    19
    "... just look at our veterans.""You don’t need to touch the veterans! What they have passed ... don’t bring the Lord to repeat this."
    1. Alez
      Alez 27 November 2013 08: 32
      +1
      I agree, especially about linden medals. It is necessary to give the author a knee in the ass.
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 27 November 2013 11: 03
      +1
      Quote: Valery Neonov
      -no need to touch the veterans

      I agree with this, but in this He is right. hi
      It is obvious what is needed:? 1. Stop Anniversary Awards. 2. Prohibit the wearing of jubilee medals, including long service awards (and previously issued medals should be put in boxes and stored in dressers). 3. Strictly prohibit the joint wearing of state awards and any kind of badges (any, with the exception of the sign of graduation, the sign of class and the sign "Guard"). 4. Punish for wearing self-made awards. 5. It is hard to establish how many and what items can be on the uniform of a soldier (no more than five or six). 6. Develop clear rules for wearing state decorations and punish them for violation (it’s very easy to punish: dressed up as a tropical parrot - do not let people attend meetings, concerts, stands). 7. Wear only rewards for exploits on the battlefield - and no others.
  3. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 27 November 2013 07: 43
    +8
    I will not discuss this article - to wear or not to wear awards depends on the order bearer and the reason for which he donned them.
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 27 November 2013 09: 54
      +3
      Now, if a person with blood and then deserves it. Why not wear?
      I absolutely agree with you!
  4. Borman_ru
    Borman_ru 27 November 2013 07: 43
    +9
    Yes, with Sergei waved it is not clear ... He ruined the Great Power, and he is awarded, it is incomprehensible!
    1. vlad.svargin
      vlad.svargin 27 November 2013 08: 21
      +6
      Borman_ru
      Yes, with Sergei waved it is not clear ... He ruined the Great Power, and he is awarded, it is incomprehensible!

      I agree with you. This act has lowered the status of the highest award to "tsatsuki"
      He would have an aspen stake in time for his "merits." He is a provocateur, on his order they entered Baku, Tbilisi, Vilnius, and then they accused the innocent military. These republics still treat Russia with distrust. And nothing to do with the Juda!
  5. makarov
    makarov 27 November 2013 07: 46
    11
    In the summer of this year, I was at a rally and, among many, the chairman of the paratroopers' society, a man aged 45-47, came from the region to support the interests of the family of the "Afghan", and there were THREE MEDALS "FOR CHALLENGE" on his chest ... covered with his head, - would take off his headdress in front of him ........
  6. TAGIR
    TAGIR 27 November 2013 07: 50
    10
    Both in the USSR and in Russia there have always been awards that were given only for military exploits. And there is no need here to praise the great Reich ... "but they eat Russian bacon." I hope I spoke clearly
  7. Denis
    Denis 27 November 2013 07: 50
    13
    Mikhail Gorbachev was honored for his 80 anniversary
    head with a patch only this
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 27 November 2013 09: 37
      +2
      Quote: Denis
      head with a patch only this

      And the realities are: Nazarbayev and Gorbachev were awarded for closing the Semipalatinsk test site 10.11.11 14: 04
      President of the Republic of Kazakhstan Nursultan Nazarbayev and former President of the USSR Mikhail Gorbachev will receive medals for their contribution to the closure of the Semipalatinsk nuclear test site in honor of the 20th anniversary of this event, the chairman of the Semipalatinsk Union public organization told RIA Novosti on Thursday.
      Former U.S. President George W. Bush at a ceremony at the U.S. National Constitutional Center (Philadelphia, PA) on Thursday, September 18, presented Mikhail Gorbachev with the Medal of Freedom. Gorbachev - Medal M.L. King and the Little Angels Order of Korea
      Judging by the awards, a modest "hero" and a gentleman of everyone and everything in the world: State awards of the USSR
      Order of the Red Banner of Labor (1948 g.),
      three orders of V.I. Lenin
      Order of the October Revolution (1987),
      Order of the Badge of Honor (1967)
      medals and departmental marks of the USSR
      State awards of the Russian Federation
      Order of the Holy Apostle Andrew the First-Called (2011) Judah's most egregious reward



      State awards of the world
      Silver medal of the Sejm NDP for outstanding contribution to the development and strengthening of international cooperation, friendship and interaction between the NDP and the USSR (Poland, July 1988)
      Order of the Great Cross of Agatha (San Marino, 1994)
      Grand Cross of the Order of Liberty (Portugal, 1995)
      Grand Cross of Merit (Germany, November 1999)
      Order of the White Lion (Czech Republic, November 1999)
      The Great Golden Cross of Christopher Columbus (Dominican Republic, July 2001)
      1. Denis
        Denis 27 November 2013 21: 23
        0
        Quote: Tersky
        The Great Golden Cross of Christopher Columbus (Dominican Republic, July 2001)
        And before them, how did he bend?
  8. Russ69
    Russ69 27 November 2013 07: 51
    +8
    I agree with something, with the author. Too many jubilee awards and all kinds of pendants from obscure societies appeared in the country. Yes, even as similar to the state. All the same order, here too it is necessary to bring ...
    1. PPL
      PPL 27 November 2013 08: 41
      11
      And I agree with you, but to the author "-", since it is not a very good comparison of the soldiers of the German army with our veterans.
      It is not known how many awards would have hung on the uniform of some Fritz or Hans if they had not been stopped in time by "our grandfathers"! For many fighting old men, the only way to declare themselves is to display their "wealth" - both their military awards and anniversary badges. Many simply do not have another, just as there is no communication with young people who, having lost their shame and respect for their elders, make old people ridiculous.
      As for the rewarding of Gorbachev, who did not contribute to either prosperity, or the greatness and glory of Russia, and other "worthy members" such as B. Moiseyev and others, there are a bunch of other types of encouragement: from aspen wooden products to various kinds of certificates and monetary awards.
      In one, the author is right - order is needed.
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 27 November 2013 10: 00
        +6
        Exactly! The author is probably imbued with the "romance" of the imperial eagle and iron crosses. And about the form. Heh heh whoever saw a real German infantry uniform will understand. By the way, the form of the Red Army looked quite good with diamonds and, most importantly, was comfortable (taking into account that time and the number of people in the army) measured - I know. Again, sweatshirts, quilted jackets, sheepskin coats and Fritz wrapped in women's scarves. All this is not in favor of the latter. In my opinion, the form should be extremely functional. The parade is another matter. But for example, the new form of the Kremlin is not very good for me ...
        Well, for clarity. In the end, where are all these crosses?
        1. Proud.
          Proud. 27 November 2013 11: 42
          +5
          Quote: klimpopov
          The author is probably imbued with the "romance" of the imperial eagle and iron crosses.

          I agree with you. Article "-". The author focuses on the awards and uniform of the Treyte Reich, casually mocks the uniform of our Warriors, and, along the way, mentioning the collective farm chairman, continues to praise the "iron cross". And where is the mention of the most worthy awards of the Great Patriotic War !? The author does not mention that the People, looking at these Warriors, knew that they were worth those orders and medals, about those who were worn with pride, on simple gymnasts, shot through, dusty, but sitting on the Fighters. that those Soldiers who went through at least one year of THAT Great War, anyhow that they did not cling to themselves. There are almost no Soldiers left. They died 20-30 years ago (two of my Grandfathers died in the first half of the 80s). Glory to the fallen
  9. Belogor
    Belogor 27 November 2013 07: 51
    12
    "But maybe there is some malicious intent in the fact that the representatives of the victorious army of the great power looked like discharged parrots and even outwardly did not command any respect?"
    For such words in a decent society they hit in the face. The point is not how the veterans wear their awards, but what they have done for their country. In general, the author pays a lot of attention to particulars, not to the essence.
    1. Kite
      Kite 27 November 2013 07: 59
      +5
      Quote: Belogor
      For such words in a decent society they hit in the face.

      I agree! And still a weighty kick in ....!
  10. Stinger
    Stinger 27 November 2013 07: 54
    15
    + Unfortunately, not many people understand the meaning of awards and paraphernalia. But in vain. For example, we can cite V.F. Margelov, who achieved a high morale of the paratroopers not only with propaganda, but also with the introduction of a uniform that differs from the rest of the arms, badges for parachute jumps and other paraphernalia, the motto "If not us, then who?" Despite all the troubles, the paratroopers are proud of their belonging to their kind of troops and are the most combat-ready.
    And the system, when the warrior and the hero of the day so faithful to the sovereign are awarded with the same order, is simply unacceptable.
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 27 November 2013 10: 18
      +4
      I agree in everything.
      But I remembered the motto of the Strategic Missile Forces
      "After us, no one!" wassat
  11. askort154
    askort154 27 November 2013 07: 54
    +6
    The article is correct. We have a lot of "popuas", who like to look like a rooster, hang themselves with trinkets starting
    from the TRP badges and countless anniversary medals. All awards have long been devalued. The beginning of this was laid by Khrushchev and Brezhnev. The height of cynicism was the presentation of the Order of Victory to Brezhnev. All modern awards procedures were turned into another farce show.
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    2. askort154
      askort154 27 November 2013 09: 58
      +1
      PS "Cutlets separately, flies separately" Above, I presented my opinion in a generalized way, regarding the awards: officials, cultural figures, show business artists, etc. As for the combat awards, it's the opposite -
      the names of people awarded for protecting the interests of the Fatherland and its Citizens should be known and proud of the whole country.
    3. creak
      creak 27 November 2013 11: 01
      +2
      Unfortunately, the devaluation of state awards began even before Khrushchev, back in the 40s, when they began to award servicemen with military orders for their length of service: 15 years - the Order of the Red Star, 20 years - the Order of the Battle Red Banner, 25 years - the Order of Lenin.
      My father, who went through the whole war and continued to serve, added the Order of the Red Star for the service to the orders received at the front, but he was of course valued not so ...
      And in tsarist Russia, military service orders were awarded with swords, unlike civil service ... In addition, for example, an officer awarded the Order of St. George the Victorious, regardless of origin, was automatically promoted to the next rank and received the rights of hereditary nobility.
      And now we just have a bacchanalia of not only a variety of so-called awards, but also uniforms, epaulettes, symbols and with this matter, of course, it is high time to restore order ...
      On February 23, my colleagues and I, war veterans, put on only military awards, anniversary ones remain in the boxes, because they are given only for surviving to the next anniversary date.
    4. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 27 November 2013 12: 41
      +1
      Quote: askort154
      The height of cynicism was the presentation of the "Order of Victory" to Brezhnev

      Why do you think so?
      Brezhnev was a brigade commissar on the Southern Front.
      1. aviamed90
        aviamed90 27 November 2013 12: 58
        +1
        saturn.mmm

        And because Comrade Leonid Ilyich was a brigade commissar (as you yourself wrote), i.e. had the military rank of "colonel" (after 1942) and did not in any way belong to the "higher command personnel". And only on 02.11.1944 he received the rank of "Major General".

        "General and admiral ranks in the Red Army were introduced on 07.05.1940/XNUMX/XNUMX by decrees of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR" On the establishment of military ranks of the highest command personnel of the Red Army "and" On the establishment of military ranks of the highest command personnel of the Navy. "

        In accordance with these decrees were introduced military ranks:
        - for combined arms commanders: major general, lieutenant general, colonel general, army general; the previously established title was preserved - Marshal of the Soviet Union;
        - for the command staff of artillery: major general of artillery, lieutenant general of artillery, colonel general of artillery;
        - for aviation command personnel (including maritime): Major General of Aviation, Lieutenant General of Aviation, Colonel General of Aviation;
        - for the commanding staff of the tank forces: Major General of the Tank Forces, Lieutenant General of the Tank Forces, Colonel General of the Tank Forces;
        - for the command staff of the communications troops: Major General of the communications forces, Lieutenant General of the communications forces, Colonel General of the communications troops;
        - for the command staff of the engineering troops: Major General of the Engineering Forces, Lieutenant General of the Engineering Forces, Colonel General of the Engineering Forces;
        - for the command staff of technical (chemical, railway, automobile, topographic) troops: major general of technical troops, lieutenant general of technical troops, colonel general of technical troops;
        - for the commanding staff of the quartermaster service: major general of the quartermaster service, lieutenant general of the quartermaster service, colonel general of the quartermaster service;
        - for the combat command staff of the Navy of the naval service: Rear Admiral, Vice Admiral, Admiral, Fleet Admiral;
        - for the command staff of the Navy coastal service: Major General of the coastal service, Lieutenant General of the coastal service, Colonel General of the coastal service;
        for senior ship service engineers: Rear Admiral Engineer, Vice Admiral Engineer, Admiral Engineer. "(disliked" VKP ").


        And the "Order" Victory "is the highest military order. It is awarded to the senior command personnel of the Red Army for the successful conduct of such military operations on the scale of one or several fronts, as a result of which the situation is radically changing in favor of the Red Army."(from the statute of the order).

        Name such an operation performed by L.I. Brezhnev, "as a result of which the situation radically changed in favor of the Red Army" ???
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 27 November 2013 13: 56
          +2
          Quote: aviamed90
          And the "Victory Order" is the highest military order.

          I mistakenly counted the "Order of Victory" as the Order of the Patriotic War.
          So you’re right, I tried to delete the comment but it didn’t work.
      2. askort154
        askort154 27 November 2013 14: 14
        +2
        Why do you think so?
        Brezhnev was a brigade commissar on the Southern Front.

        You probably do not know what the Order of Victory is, to whom and for what it is awarded?
        And how many people have been awarded by him throughout history?!. I advise you to read.
        Even Stalin did not "hang himself", but awarded Zhukov with it! And here the colonel is a zampolite, he himself honored himself with this honor, tens of years after the war (1978) ..!
        True, Gorbachev subsequently stripped him of being inappropriate for status.
        1. aviamed90
          aviamed90 27 November 2013 14: 20
          +1
          askort154

          Yes already figured out.
        2. chehywed
          chehywed 27 November 2013 15: 50
          +2
          Quote: askort154
          Even Stalin did not "hang himself", but awarded Zhukov with it!

          Well, actually Stalin was awarded the Order of Victory twice. And "dear Leonid Ilyich" did not hang it for himself, but they tried to asshole, not giving a damn about the statute of the order.
          1. askort154
            askort154 27 November 2013 16: 44
            0
            chehywed ... Well, actually Stalin was awarded the Order of Victory twice. And "dear Leonid Ilyich" did not hang it for himself, but tried to lick, spitting on the statute of the order

            I meant the first order number 1 Zhukov, Stalin number 3. That's right, Ilyich wouldn’t be a doll in the hands of the zhepolises, would not allow this.
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  12. akreworpa
    akreworpa 27 November 2013 07: 55
    13
    It is immediately evident that the author of the article does not know at all what war is. It turns out that the soldier fought, went through all the "charms" of the war, but did not accomplish the feat and he was not entitled to a medal, even a jubilee one. In addition, a serving person would never have suggested that officers should be prohibited from wearing awards for length of service, this is a kind of tribute to him for his military and professional work. I have never met an article more delusional.
    1. Soldier
      Soldier 27 November 2013 08: 22
      +6
      Quote: akreworpa
      to prevent officers from wearing awards for length of service is a kind of tribute to him for his military and professional work.

      I agree. For some reason, many people have the opinion that, either for service, they receive either All, or, persons close to the emperor’s point, But nevermind. Of course, there are such, but believe me, there are a lot of awarded Really Worthy officers. ,, Zaletchik ,,, will not receive an anniversary award.
      1. Alexan
        Alexan 27 November 2013 19: 06
        0
        Yes, let them celebrate with money, bonuses, an apartment, a car ... an order and a medal - this is not duty, duty, training, but blood, risk, death! It is impossible to put labor and feat near! On the chest should be worn patches and military decorations. Otherwise, it’s hard to distinguish a worthy one.
  13. Vorchun
    Vorchun 27 November 2013 08: 00
    +3
    Probably the depreciation of the awards began in 1948 with the abolition of payments and benefits to those with awards.
    And why did the author not give an example of wearing awards in Tsarist Russia?
    A veteran in the photo, a very deserved one, four military orders (even one 85 years) and three military medals! The film "Kuban Cossacks" was shot in 1949 and was then not yet until the anniversaries.
  14. Alex66
    Alex66 27 November 2013 08: 02
    11
    Do not touch the veterans of the Great Patriotic War, there are not many left, let them live peacefully.
  15. andr327
    andr327 27 November 2013 08: 18
    12
    How to wear state awards? First of all, it is culture and upbringing, and attitude to these awards. My father was a real veteran of the war, wore a full set of all the awards only on May XNUMXth, and in other cases there were only pads (and then, according to his award documents, he himself went to military school and forced him to wear an official jacket). And a recidivist thief lives in the courtyard of the same house, he spent the whole war in the zone, bought a certificate, but with medals and orders, in a company of real war veterans. And how to look at it?
    In his army service and current job (I work as a photographer): it is noticed that the smaller the PERSON, the more badges and shorts he puts on himself.
    And sadly, the old army adage continues to work: "punishment of the innocent, rewarding the innocent."
  16. nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe 27 November 2013 08: 23
    11
    See who recently awarded buffoons. He danced virtuoso-order, made a medal laugh. It is disgusting to look at the mockery of the awards of the Country. What is not an artist is a folk-shame.
  17. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 27 November 2013 08: 38
    12
    The article is very controversial and it should be considered from all sides: yes, the value of the awards of modern Russia is devalued by those who present and to whom they are presented, but I do not agree with the statement "tinkling with tsatski!" the horrors of war and underestimated merits. It's no secret that even during the war years, there was a bitter joke among the front-line soldiers: after the battles, "... rewarding the innocent and punishing the innocent began." and the German infantrymen had badges of honor even for participating in a "hand-to-hand combat." In general, the devaluation of awards is a devaluation of the entire state and, in the end, disrespect for the whole nation! Well, how can you respect the power that rewards a traitor and traitor who ruined the state, plunging the people into poverty ?
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 27 November 2013 09: 59
      10
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      Most of those who went through the war in the infantry returned home "bare", and the German infantrymen had badges of honor even for participating in "hand-to-hand combat."

      A big plus for you. The author is touched by the mysterious magic of iron crosses of the Germans, completely forgets that the Wehrmacht was distinguished by a large number of all kinds of badges and stripes:
      Incentive rewards:
      Honorary belt buckle for the ground forces
      Kriegsmarine Honorary Attachment
      Honorary Buckle of the Luftwaffe
      Shields:
      Shield "Narvik"
      Demian shield, Kholm shield, Crimean shield, Kuban shield, Warsaw shield, Loren shield, Dunkirk shield, Balkans shield, Lapland shield
      Breastplates:
      Breastplate "For the wound"
      Badge "For the wound" of the Legion "CONDOR"
      Breastplate “For Injury on July 20, 1944”
      Chest Assault Infantry Badge
      Infantry Assault Badge for Infantry Units
      "Infantry assault badge" for motorized infantry units
      Breastplate “For participating in general assault attacks”
      Melee Planck
      Breastplate “For a tank attack”
      Tank sign of the Legion "CONDOR"
      Breastplate "Army paratrooper"
      Breastplate "For the fight against partisans"
      Breastplate "Balloon Observer"
      Breastplate "Ground anti-aircraft artillery"
      Breastplate "Military driver"
      Sign of the flight crew
      Pilot sign
      Mark of the Observer
      Combined pilot and observer mark
      Sign of the shooter and flight attendant
      Sign arrow and flight engineer
      Badge of a Glider Pilot
      Luftwaffe paratrooper badge
      Honorary Flight Badge
      Air defense anti-aircraft artillery badge
      Luftwaffe badge "For ground combat"
      Melee Badge for the Luftwaffe
      Badge for the tank battle for the Luftwaffe
      Breastplate "For the naval battle of the Luftwaffe"
      Honorable Luftwaffe Ribbon Buckle
      Air strips:
      Planck “Day fighter”, Planck “Night fighter”, Planck “Far day fighter”, Planck “Long fighter night”, Planck “Bomber”, Planck “Transport aircraft”, Planck “Aircraft reconnaissance”, Planck “Ground support aircraft” ,
      Breastplate “For Breakthrough of the Sea Blockade”
      Breastplate of coastal artillery and anti-aircraft gunners of the Navy
      Breastplate for small boats and boats
      Breastplate for torpedo boats
      Breastplate for destroyers
      Badge for mine minesweepers
      Submariner Breastplate
      Submarine Battle Bar
      Breastplate of auxiliary cruisers
      Navy Military Badge
      Military Marine Artillery Badge
      Breastplate for a long trip
      Kriegsmarine Tape of Honor
      Medals [edit | edit source]
      Nazi Germany Occupation Medals:
      Medal "In memory of March 13, 1938" Anschluss Medal
      Medal “In memory of October 1, 1938”
      Medal "In memory of March 22, 1939"
      Medal “For the construction of military fortifications” For the Atlantic Wall
      African Campaign Medal
      Medal "For the Winter Campaign in the East 1941/42" Eastern Medal
      Blue Division Medal
      Medal “For the length of service in the Wehrmacht”
      Medal "For the length of service of the SS"
      Police Medal For Excellent Service
      Medal of Merit Air Defense
      Cuff ribbons, signs, stripes, rings, cups
      Crete Cuff Tape, Africa Cuff Tape, Metz 1944 Cuff Tape, Courland Cuff Tape, Patch For Destroyed Tank Patch, Military Driver Patch, Patch For Destroying Aircraft From The Ground, Patch Sniper, Dead Head Ring
      Luftwaffe Honorary Cup
      Chevron of the old fighter
      1. kaktus
        kaktus 27 November 2013 15: 59
        +1
        Well well! "Honorary buckle on a ribbon" - it was necessary to think of it ... what
  18. demotivator
    demotivator 27 November 2013 08: 43
    17
    An extremely important topic was raised by the author of the material. It is high time for us to think about the role of awards in the life of the military. Any. In my opinion, the meaning of the award is, firstly, to mark the merits of the recipient, and secondly, to make it clear to the others that by acting as the recipient, they can also receive similar encouragement. And in our country the rewarding is on stream, because of which the original meaning was completely lost. Let me remind you that earlier the order was not called a painted brooch on a uniform, but only a COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE UNITED BY ONE PURPOSE - THE MOTTO OF THE ORDER. The number of members of the order was strictly limited. For example, no more than 12 people from Russians could have been holders of the Order of St. Andrew the First-Called. The total number of knights of the order (Russian and foreign subjects) should not exceed twenty-four people. And this is reasonable! People were ACCEPTED as holders of this order, and not awarded, but on those already accepted, the insignia of the order - the Cross, the eight-pointed star and the chain - were placed. This meaning of the orders has now been completely lost and brought to the point of absurdity by mass awards. Further, with very rare exceptions, no reward can be secret, secret. However, we know many examples of how high-ranking officials and generals were awarded the Hero of Russia Star by secret decrees for mythical merits. These are the former NGSH General Makarov, the Former Minister of Internal Affairs Erin, and a whole bunch of others. I have a question - what such heroic deeds (they are also heroes, according to the Decree on awarding) did these persons perform? And the athletes? What heroic wrestler Karelin did on the carpet? Yes, he is a champion - is that not enough? Give him a cash prize, but what is the Hero Star for? A hero is one who, RISKING his own life, fulfills his duty to the Motherland. I understand a pilot, a tankman, and others who risk their lives, but fulfill their duty. And what is the risk of an athlete? Health? A very sensible proposal for anniversary awards. I served at a time when these awards were handed out almost every year, and to almost everyone in a row. I remember that the jubilee medal "20 Years of Victory in the Great Patriotic War" was given to absolutely everyone who at that time served in the USSR military, including even conscripts and sergeants. What have they got to do with it? And it all started with the madness that was launched by the top leadership of the USSR, who hung the country's highest military awards after the war. And so that the rest would not be offended, they began to distribute anniversary awards in large quantities. Marshal Budyonny, very respected by me, got into this stream, who ended the war without a single Star of the Hero of the USSR. But after the war, on the occasion of anniversary birthdays (1958, 1963 and 1968), he received as many as 3 (!!!) such awards.
    1. andrey903
      andrey903 27 November 2013 10: 47
      +3
      And we also have such heroes as Kadyrov, the former head of the Voloshin administration. For Nord Ost Hero received patrushev. There is a pig-like prosecutor ustins
    2. Metlik
      Metlik 27 November 2013 11: 43
      +2
      Quote: demotivator
      Let me remind you that before the order was called not a painted brooch in its uniform, but only a COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE UNITED BY ONE PURPOSE - THE ORDER MOTTO

      It seems to me that we need a public committee on state awards, consisting of respected people awarded with higher orders. This public organization itself must determine its composition, propose changes to the award system, approve the list of awards.
  19. maniac
    maniac 27 November 2013 08: 45
    12
    after the Star of the Hero of Russia was given to Kadyrov, in the eyes of Russian officers this award discredited itself to zero.
  20. baltika-18
    baltika-18 27 November 2013 08: 46
    10
    Neither plus nor minus. The impression of the article is twofold. It seems that everything is true, but why drool before the Third Reich?
    And on the topic, right. I hung up, and even a lieutenant colonel. Well, there’s no shame or conscience left.
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 27 November 2013 10: 31
      +1
      There is such a breed of people - they are like magpies hanging on themselves and from this they become "more important" and "deserved" in their own eyes. For a real military officer (soldier), this is all not important, for him the reward is primarily the memory and recognition of his feat, I have friends who never get awards, but I know that they are very dear to them, as a memory of events and friends.

      By the way, Leonid Ilyich is another collector's business. Although he also went through the war and was wounded (by the way of modern "collectors).
  21. maniac
    maniac 27 November 2013 08: 54
    +2
    Quote: baltika-18
    And on the topic, right. I hung up, and even a lieutenant colonel. Well, there’s no shame or conscience left.


    Nichrome yourself! where did he get so much and where did the rank come from ??! Does he have the Order of Suvorov overlooked or what?

    (maybe this is the scenery for some movie?)
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 27 November 2013 09: 26
      +9
      Quote: manyak
      (maybe this is the scenery for some movie?

      Honestly, I don’t know, I wasn’t interested. There is a lot of others in their party.
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 27 November 2013 10: 36
        +8
        And in the photo the important ones are
        But the main apogee
        Epic photo.


        It is sad.
        1. chehywed
          chehywed 27 November 2013 13: 41
          0
          Quote: klimpopov
          It is sad.

          klimpopov, do not be sad. With regard to cultural figures, this is Photoshop. They are clowns, animators, but not idioms. Why cling to yourself orders of either fake or of another state with state awards?
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 27 November 2013 14: 44
            0
            But the first photo is not photoshop? So that ...
            1. chehywed
              chehywed 27 November 2013 15: 36
              +1
              Quote: klimpopov
              But the first photo is not photoshop? So that .

              But these are idiots ... laughing
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 27 November 2013 15: 43
                +1
                Well, here you go ... Circus laughing
      2. SHILO
        SHILO 27 November 2013 10: 38
        +3
        Jeroy is their mother of television battles. laughing
      3. atalef
        atalef 27 November 2013 12: 58
        +1
        Quote: baltika-18
        Quote: manyak
        (maybe this is the scenery for some movie?

        Honestly, I don’t know, I wasn’t interested. There is a lot of others in their party.

        Especially - the warrior internationalist at Leshchenko
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 27 November 2013 13: 09
          0
          Could give for a concert "across the river". Although I haven't heard.
          1. igor67
            igor67 27 November 2013 17: 22
            +1
            Quote: klimpopov
            Could give for a concert "across the river". Although I haven't heard.

            20:36 Lev Leshchenko in Afghanistan, 1985
      4. military
        military 28 November 2013 16: 53
        0
        the bird is visible on the flight ... of the rooster - especially ...
    2. military
      military 28 November 2013 16: 51
      0
      Quote: manyak
      Does he have the Order of Suvorov overlooked or what?

      he has the Russian Order of Friendship visible ...
      both Suvorovs (both a screw and a quad block) are worn on the other side ...
  22. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 27 November 2013 09: 00
    +6
    To prohibit wearing tsatsk along with state awards is a very reasonable idea.
  23. sega72
    sega72 27 November 2013 09: 08
    +5
    November 29, Putin awarded orders and medals.

    THE ORDER "FOR MERITS BEFORE THE FATHERLAND" IV DEGREE

    BONDARENKO Alexander Dmitrievich - tractor driver of S.M. Kirov Closed Joint-Stock Company, Peschanokopsky District, Rostov Region

    ERSHOV Vladislav Aleksandrovich - Police Colonel, Deputy Head of the Special Purpose Center of the Rapid Response and Aviation Forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia - Commander of the Lynx Special Rapid Response Unit

    ZAKHAROV Mark Anatolyevich - artistic director of the state budgetary institution of culture of the city of Moscow "Moscow State Theater" Lenkom "

    Yuri LYUBIMOV - director, member of the All-Russian public organization “Union of theatrical figures of the Russian Federation (All-Russian Theater Society)”

    PEVTSOV Dmitry Anatolyevich - artist of the state budgetary institution of culture of the city of Moscow "Moscow State Theater" Lenkom "

    POLYASHEV Pavel Alekseevich - Advisor to the General Director for the Ural Federal District of the Federal State Unitary Enterprise "Departmental Protection of Industrial Facilities of the Russian Federation", Sverdlovsk Region

    FEAR Andrei Pavlovich - machine operator of Chumakova Closed Joint-Stock Company, Morozovsky District, Rostov Region

    TAJUDDINOV Talgat Safich - Supreme Mufti, Chairman of the Central Spiritual Administration of Muslims of Russia, Republic of Bashkortostan

    USMANOV Alisher Burkhanovich - General Director of Gazprom Investholding, limited liability company, Moscow

    FURMANOV Rudolf Davydovich - artistic director - director of the cultural institution of the St. Petersburg Theater "Russian Entreprise"

    Cherevichko Vasily Egorovich - tractor driver of the agricultural production cooperative - Druzhba breeding plant, Apanasenkovsky district of the Stavropol Territory

    SHAEVICH Adolf Solomonovich - Chief Rabbi of Russia, Chairman of the Council of the local religious organization Moscow Jewish Religious Community

    YUDASHKIN Valentin Abramovich - Artistic Director of Valentin Yudashkin Limited Liability Company, Moscow. DO NOT REWARD YUDASHKIN YOUR OFFICER ONE ORDER
    1. Rus86
      Rus86 27 November 2013 09: 21
      +6
      the idea of ​​dividing medals and orders into military and civilian ones was, oh, how appropriate. Not at all belittling the merits of the civilian population, but highlighting the BATTLE awards. (opinion from the couch, but when he left the army, the current badge of excellence hung on his tunic, unlike many parrot embroidery and "orders and medals" bought in the military.)
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 27 November 2013 10: 27
        +1
        I agree that it would be necessary to have a division into military and civil orders and medals. He himself was thinking about this the other day when he found out that Yevkurov was a knight of the Order of Alexander Nevsky. It used to be a military order, it became interesting why he was awarded. Googled and it now turns out to be grounds for rewarding a wagon and a small trolley.
  24. Grenader
    Grenader 27 November 2013 09: 20
    +8
    if the German army of that time was dressed in faceless and dull overalls like those worn in China in the 50-60s, it would hardly have achieved such successes. When an officer wears the same, relatively speaking, braid that of a private soldier, and his insignia is a nondescript rhombus on the collar, neither of them feel any pride in their uniform (namely, a uniform, not a uniform).
    The Red Army dressed in quilted jackets and felt boots was sprinkled on selected dudes by German dudes without any external excesses. The content is more important than the form.
  25. Old shoe
    Old shoe 27 November 2013 09: 23
    +6
    Well, here again ... Another ode to the German army. Ah, German helmet! Ah, the German cross! Wow! And ours is something - tsatski belay . Do not touch, damn it, veterans !!! Yes, for every day they spent in that war, we owe them the grave of life. And you all of them indiscriminately g ... m water! Tsatski ...! About modern cabinet order bearers I will not say anything - here you are right in many ways. But do not touch the veterans and do not spit in their hearts singing German crosses.
    1. Rus86
      Rus86 27 November 2013 09: 26
      +3
      by the way, "Goering himself" suffered from such affection with trinkets, our general secretary and bushy eyebrows, so, a student
  26. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 27 November 2013 09: 26
    +5
    “Minus”, as always, grabbed the word “Third Reich”, if it is present, then that's it, you can, like a Jew, start screaming like a slaughtered pig about the Holocaust, you know who turns the Great Patriotic War and the whole World War II into a show? turn, when a person talks about serious things, you have to wrinkle your nose and say "We don't need to talk about the Third Reich here", as far as I can understand this business was taken up immediately after Stalin's death and before the death of the USSR, everyone became pompous parrots and the country eventually collapsed. I don’t even need to talk about modern Russia, it is generally not commented on in decent words, in a country in which everything is sold and everything is bought, how can I be sure that Veteran in front of me is a Veteran? How? Maybe he is a former Khivi or Vlasovite, orders he bought himself and walks around. The value of modern racial awards is 0%, you can save people from a burning house or throw yourself under a tank and get a medal, which will also be received by a "successful fashion designer", and what is the point? ka, but the content completely disappears. Exceptionalism is precisely exclusivity, if it becomes mass, it becomes a commonplace that you no longer notice. If a person is hung with medals from head to toe, as if he personally destroyed the 6th SS Panzer Army, now this is a reason to think who is this, and already in the fact that "it makes you think" all the same fake "Heroes" are to blame, who with their mass diluted the true Heroes, reducing the feat to nothing.
    1. demotivator
      demotivator 27 November 2013 10: 17
      +4
      I agree that now it is difficult to distinguish in appearance those who wear awards deservedly, and who just bought copies of them and show off in front of the people for the amusement of the public. What to do, man is weak. For example, look at the modern Cossacks, there are now a lot of them in all regions, each only has an officer's rank and a bunch of all sorts of awards on his chest. And how many fake generals and pseudo heroes can you see on May 9 even in the stands of the mausoleum? For several years, an old woman in the uniform of a colonel with two "hero stars" was hanging around, then the next year she put on a general's uniform with the same stars and a bunch of orders and medals. And all this on Victory Day, in full view of all the people and all kinds of special services !? One thing is clear that order in this matter should be established long ago, starting with the right to wear military uniforms and ending with the wearing of awards. By the way, it seems to me that in our Russian Federation many wear military uniforms undeservedly. Why are shoulder straps and special ranks that are exactly copied by the military police, prosecutors, tax authorities, camps and prison guards, the counting chamber and even the sanitary inspection? In Germany, for example, all these services do not have shoulder straps, they are purely civilians, but with good salaries. And how they work! I believe that shoulder straps and military ranks should be left only to those who serve in the Armed Forces, and the rest should be left with ranks, or ranks, whatever, just not shoulder straps.
      1. Standard Oil
        Standard Oil 27 November 2013 10: 52
        +2
        Your thoughts, yes, to the head WHOM IT IS NECESSARY. +
  27. Nayhas
    Nayhas 27 November 2013 09: 48
    +8
    Forward to the DPRK! More trinkets multi-colored and more beautiful! Brezhnev ideal!
    Not funny in general. This story is old, back in WWII, military generals were giving out packs of war to their lackeys and Stalin turned a blind eye to this, although he himself was very strict in this matter. When he left, then it began ... Zhukov was the first to receive a GSS for his birthday, well, 2 years is not a reason? And then it went off, Brezhnev was weighed so that even the DPRK generals probably still complex.

    Now I’m back to square one. Kalashnikov received the Hero of the Russian Federation on his anniversary, for 90 years, some believe that he is for AK, but he is a Social Hero for him. I’ve already taken off work, it turns out that it was just a gift ... And he had the conscience to accept and wear the award, despite the fact that about half of the recipients received it posthumously ... It's no secret that the state. a reward can be bought for money or services, and what is the attitude of the people to the rewards?
    PS: returning from a business trip in 2000. I was disgusted to disgust to watch how some were hung with insignia like bad fucking badges. They especially looked wildly a cook who didn’t go anywhere for three months ... It’s probably in the blood of people ...
    1. Heccrbq.3
      Heccrbq.3 27 November 2013 13: 11
      0
      laughing laughing poor, they’ll probably be all pitching!
  28. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 27 November 2013 09: 48
    +4
    Quote: "... and it is very simple to punish: dressed up as a tropical parrot - not to be allowed to meetings, concerts, stands."
    He served a decent time in the army. I have rewards. Of course I see an abundance of badges on the chest of World War II veterans. I am sure that they they didn’t fasten them themselves, but they were handed over at various meetings with the young generation, meetings of veterans, etc. And to demand to take them off is at least tactless. Each icon is a memory of an event. And to deprive this memory of a veteran is inhumane. Now about how veterans wear awards. During my service, the order of the awards on clothes changed several times (sometimes along the side of the tunic, sometimes horizontally, etc.) How do veterans, factory workers or collective farmers know how orders are being worn now. And the last: it is not for us to judge. rightly or wrongly awarded our fathers and grandfathers during the war. And the fact that the modern award system has taken ugly forms, I completely agree.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 27 November 2013 10: 11
      +2
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      And the fact that the modern award system has taken ugly forms, I completely agree.

      Absolutely right! It was just that earlier military orders and orders were divided for the civilian population for labor. They would introduce "For Labor for the Good of Russia" and reward them for concerts, sporting achievements and so on. AND COMBAT - ONLY FOR THE MILITARY!
  29. Stiletto
    Stiletto 27 November 2013 09: 49
    +6
    I remember my grandfather's military awards. Among them, the soldier's medal "FOR Courage" was the most precious to him. Later I found out the answer to my childish then "Why?".

    It was handed over solely for the bravery shown in battle. And this is its main difference from the "jubilee" medals and other orders, which were sometimes awarded "for participation."

    PS Kadyrov is a hero, yes, this is a song. And his dad is also a hero. Calling for jihad, he said: “Every Chechen must kill 150 Russians, and then the war in Chechnya will end!
    Later, in an interview with the journalist of the Kommersant-Vlast newspaper, A. Kadyrov clarified: "I did not speak about 150 Russians. I said: kill as many as possible. Without restrictions."
  30. Hort
    Hort 27 November 2013 10: 01
    +2
    in fact, the Germans reward system has been much more thought out since the Kaiser (or even earlier) times. Namely:
    each award endowed the bearer with certain privileges and rights - exemption from taxes, benefits, the right to land, privileges in society, and so on. Especially in this regard, the indicators of the order, the tradition of awarding which the Fritzes had since knightly times (in fact, hence the name "type" of the award).
    In our country, the order and the medal differed little from each other in meaning, although of course the preferences were awarded, but not to the same extent as the Fritz.
    Well, the author is right in that in relation to such highest awards as the Star of the Hero, the Order of St. Andrew, the First-Called, George and others, there must be clear rules that stipulate cases in which a person can be presented for such an award.
  31. Gardamir
    Gardamir 27 November 2013 10: 11
    +2
    "What to do? At least put things in order, and with an iron hand." I agree, but in a liberal-federal country, where a thief and a traitor, the "director of a furniture factory", is not sent to places not so remote. On the contrary, they give a good position. There will be no order in anything.
  32. ed65b
    ed65b 27 November 2013 10: 16
    +6
    My grandfather has the Order of the Red Star and for the defense of Stalingrad. where he was wounded and for him the war ended. But the article is minus. for one-sided performance. Regarding the form. A Red Army man with such a ridiculed author’s rhombus gave his life and fought to the last bullet and then tore and nibbled if he could a fascist and died ugly, but the Wehrmacht was handsomely dressed in a dandy uniform. Nonsense, but the Russian did not die with a rhombic not for the beauty of death but for his homeland. regarding the iron cross - were handed over after the wound and for sitting in the bunker and for having fought for a certain period of time at the front, the author can read the memoirs of the Wehrmacht soldiers. everything is described in detail without embellishment. And for me, the reward of a collective farmer who pushed for victory and pulled all veins or a teenager out of a woman who spent days standing at the machine at the factory is no less valuable than the reward of a soldier and an officer who gave his life back home, for a collective farmer, teenager, woman.
  33. moskal68
    moskal68 27 November 2013 11: 03
    +3
    I wanted to post a list of Gundyaev’s awards, but the forum began to swear, supposedly, too long a post. You type in Google and rejoice for the patriarch. Compared to him, those Chinese generals are small children!
  34. aviamed90
    aviamed90 27 November 2013 11: 06
    +2
    I agree with the author only partially.

    Indeed, a lot of "tsatzok" divorced. And you need to be able to distinguish where the badges are and where the deserved awards are. It is difficult to distinguish them from each other in appearance.

    And what about the awards of the republics within Russia? Order of Merit to the Republic of Dagestan (Dagestan), medal of the Order of Labor Valor (Buryatia), the Order of Defender of the Fatherland and Sword of Gazavat (Chechnya). Do the republics have the right to their awards, being part of the Federation? Moreover, some (as in Chechnya) have a double perception among citizens.

    In addition, the presence of a combat or non-combat award does not at all mean that its owner has any real services to the Fatherland. We have a complete mess in this matter. Examples: Gorbachev, Brezhnev, Army General Makarov ("secret hero"), etc.
    Or I. Churikova (Order of Merit to the Fatherland, II degree), D. Pevtsov (Order of Merit to the Fatherland, III degree), V. Yudashkin (Order of Merit to the Fatherland, VI degree). Of course, they have some merits (professional or to someone). But what are their services to Russia?

    Or here is an example of merit to the Fatherland:

    "Vitaly Kemlil does not fly into space, but on his own land, in Yakutia, he grazes deer. This spring two bears attacked the herd of his village. The complexity of the situation was not only that it was necessary to save the deer, but also that the bear for the Chukchi it is a sacred animal. Vitaly won a long-term battle between a bear and a man, fear and ancestral traditions. He drove the bears away, saved deer - the basis of the life of his people. From the hands of the President he received the Order of Merit for the Fatherland, IV degree. " (site "www.1tv.ru", article "In the Kremlin, the President presented high state awards to the Russians", 30.12.10)

    But why does the author so dislike rewards for length of service? Is not many years of service to the Motherland worthy of distinction?

    And the author’s attitude towards the pre-war uniform of the USSR military personnel and admiration for the military uniform of the Wehrmacht is not at all clear.
    In his opinion, we lost at the initial stage of the war solely because of the ugly (in his opinion) form. And as soon as the shoulder straps were introduced in the army, we immediately began to win! What kind of nonsense?

    It is necessary to clean up the issue of awards. But this must be done wisely and without offending citizens who really have merits before the Motherland.
  35. moskal68
    moskal68 27 November 2013 11: 10
    +2
    I worked in one large Moscow PSC, so the leadership of this PSC forged medals, as it were, for merits and awarded them employees. The staff were happy as children. And it was funny to me.
    1. BOB48
      BOB48 27 November 2013 15: 30
      0
      and here in Bashkiria all the heads of district administrations were awarded medals "for the difference in the overwhelming population"!
  36. Letnab
    Letnab 27 November 2013 11: 15
    +2
    I’m working in a forest fire extinguishing system, like a friend, a colonel of the current Ministry of Emergency Situations, who worked for the city fireman all his conscious life, asked me about the availability of awards, to which he replied that I work for a salary, not an award, and complaining about the lack of awards is somehow inconvenient . The colonel thought, then came to the conclusion that for 25 years he received one state award for saving a man in a fire, although there were enough real cases when fighting fires ... And when the retirement date came, a jumble of awards caught on his chest !
    Recently, more and more military pensioners have been joining our flight detachment, and it amazes me how some, after not having worked for a year, are offended if they are not awarded anniversary medals on the anniversary of civil aviation, or the anniversary of the creation of the flight detachment. Is this the habit of getting medals for any reason during the service? The military do not be offended, but I do not compose it!
    It also hurts how these same awards are solemnly "handed out" to administrative personnel, and specialists are handed out on the sly, from under the counter ...
  37. aviamed90
    aviamed90 27 November 2013 11: 30
    +1
    Here is some interesting information about the current situation with the Russian award system:

    "The award system of Russia includes:

    - state awards (orders, medals, honorary titles), approved by decrees of the President of the Russian Federation;
    - departmental awards (medals, badges, honorary titles), approved by orders of the heads of relevant ministries and departments;
    - award anniversary and commemorative medals, signs, badges, approved by the heads of structural divisions of ministries and departments;
    - award anniversary and commemorative medals, signs, badges, approved by public, veteran organizations, labor collectives and religious and social organizations.

    One of the first documents governing the awarding of new state awards was Presidential Decree No. 442 of March 2, 1994 "On State Awards of the Russian Federation". On the basis of clause 25 of this decree, "the federal executive authorities, by their decisions, may establish various types of incentives for employees, including titles, badges, medal badges, unlike with state awards of the Russian Federation and the USSR.
    The establishment of such types of incentives is made by agreement with the Commission for State Awards and the State Heraldry under the President of the Russian Federation ".
    Referring to this decree, but forgetting about the last paragraph of this paragraph (coordination with the commission on state awards), all kinds of public, veteran organizations and labor collectives began to establish medals. "
    (site "www.zasluga.ru")
  38. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 27 November 2013 11: 32
    +8
    The problem of anniversary awards really exists.
    This belittles the value of true rewards.

    lieutenant colonel Anatoly Vyacheslavovich Swan.
    No comments.................
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 27 November 2013 15: 46
      +1
      Quote: Aleks tv
      The problem of anniversary awards really exists.
      This belittles the value of true rewards.
      Lesh we called them "stubs".
  39. demotivator
    demotivator 27 November 2013 11: 41
    +4
    ... And it is not at all clear the author’s attitude to the pre-war uniform of the USSR military personnel and admiration for the Wehrmacht military uniform.
    I will say that the military uniform and military equipment should be carefully thought out so that the soldiers were comfortable fighting in them - i.e. to do what the army is for. If we compare the military uniforms of German and Soviet soldiers, as well as their equipment from these positions, the first thing that comes to mind is that the German generals took care of their soldiers more than ours. Here are such examples - everything was thought out to the smallest detail on the field uniforms of the Germans, these are special loops into which you can put tree branches for disguise if necessary, these are two versions of satchels - regular and assault, and the satchel cover was made of waterproof elk leather, and Until the 21st century, we used the stuffing bags of the time of King Peas. Also, these are flasks in a special felt case. Who drank the musty water from our flasks, especially in the heat, he will understand what I mean. And finally, the availability of various instruments for monitoring and orientation on the ground. They had binoculars (Zeiss!) Issued to each compartment, and not every platoon officer had it.
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 27 November 2013 11: 58
      +6
      demotivator

      Do you think that the "special loops", "backpacks" and "flasks" of the Wehrmacht somehow positively influenced the results of the Great Patriotic War for the Germans?

      Then remember Stalingrad.
      Remember these ragged, frostbitten Wehrmacht soldiers that their generals took care of (as you write).
      And the presence of these same manifestations of concern of the command did not help them in any way.
      And only the presence of ugly warm short fur coats and Russian felt boots (well, or their analogues) would help them.
      1. Stiletto
        Stiletto 27 November 2013 12: 47
        +1
        Quote: aviamed90
        And only the presence of ugly warm short fur coats and Russian felt boots (well, or their analogues) would help them.


        The fascists helped what they really deserved: Russian bullets and General Moroz.
        1. aviamed90
          aviamed90 27 November 2013 13: 06
          +1
          Stiletto

          I had this in mind.

          And the "care" of the command did not save them.
          1. Stiletto
            Stiletto 27 November 2013 13: 16
            +1
            [quote = aviamed90] Stiletto

            I had this in mind.

            So after all, for that you plus hi
  40. moskal68
    moskal68 27 November 2013 11: 43
    +1
    Quote: Aleks tv
    The problem of anniversary awards really exists.
    This belittles the value of true rewards.

    lieutenant colonel Anatoly Vyacheslavovich Swan.
    No comments.................
    As Lenin used to say - Less is better, but better. Oh, but for 10 years the Ministry of Internal Affairs didn’t give me a medal.
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  42. polkownik1
    polkownik1 27 November 2013 12: 37
    +2
    No need to reproach the author for unpatriotism (the Germans are handsome, but ours are not ...) Better remember the story of the silly aunt who every year appeared on the rostrum of Red Square as a major, then a colonel, then a colonel-general with an ever-increasing number of orders and gold stars ! There are fools and clowns everywhere, but people like her humiliate the Victory Parade, contribute to the transformation of the parade into a frivolous event, all the more so as the smug leaders of the state are smiling next to her. Still would ! Look how many heroes we have! Think what we would say if we learned about this from "them", from our former enemies. That would make fun ...
  43. Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 27 November 2013 12: 43
    +1
    +++ Remember Prince Andrei, an intelligent and reasonable person who is nevertheless ready to die in a moment of glory. But dying is beautiful. Even realizing that only soldiers can see this death. Friends and strangers. Not a high society, not women, not familiar. +++
    Yes, Hemingway had a good written about it, a man dreamed of entering a hospital with saber wounds that his beloved would heal, but in fact he was simply torn to pieces by a shell in frontal mud.
  44. understudy
    understudy 27 November 2013 12: 49
    +1
    I largely agree with the author, with the exception of this passage:

    2. To prohibit the wearing of jubilee medals, including long service awards (and previously issued medals should be put in boxes and stored in dressers).

    For no one has the moral right to prohibit that to which you have not the slightest relation. And let someone try to forbid me to wear medals that I deserve in the USSR Armed Forces. This, of course, is rude, but I’ll say, “But hell, yes, all over the face!”
    By the way, I have military awards.
    Maybe everything is much simpler? Someone "crushed by a toad"?
    For length of service or for participating in campaigns (for the Seaman), they were awarded the Order of the Holy Prince Vladimir in the Russian Empire. So, do not la la.
    And more ... "secret decrees" should be used to award (if the urge) is the zverev, yudashkin and other singers, so as not to belittle the significance of the awards themselves.
  45. My address
    My address 27 November 2013 13: 00
    +3
    My father died before the anniversary awards. On the holiday photos I see on his jacket only one order and a sign of the guard. For two and a half years the frontier earned two orders and six medals.

    Yet. About twenty years ago on May 9, I saw two medals from a friend of the UPI teacher. Congratulated him and asked that so few. He replied that he received the anniversary, but did not wear it. He believes that there should be one specific reward for a particular case. And why is he better than those veterans who did not live to see the anniversary awards.
  46. Alekseev
    Alekseev 27 November 2013 13: 21
    +3
    Quote: Understudy
    For length of service or for participating in campaigns (for the Seaman), they were awarded the Order of the Holy Prince Vladimir in the Russian Empire. So, do not la la.

    Impeccable length of service means a lot!
    Try to serve 20 years impeccably ... it’s another thing that not everyone is given once, and awarded for perfect service (that is, honest service and success in military affairs) once, well, twice for service.
    The reward must be rare. yes tagged! And making the reward system work that way is very easy. It is necessary, in all, to appoint a decent monetary payment proportional to the reward. Immediately there will be fewer awards. And only "real" orders and medals are allowed to be worn on the ceremonial uniform. Then the fashion will be weighed until "I ..." will pass.
  47. avg
    avg 27 November 2013 14: 27
    +2
    What to do? At least restore order, with an iron hand.

    No one needs to be driven with an “iron hand”, but there must be continuity and order. When Soviet officials cancel the royal awards, and then Russian officials cancel the Soviet, then, in administrative delight, they devalue not only the awards, but also the attitude to the awarded themselves. For example, why not leave the beautiful and courageous “soldier's order” of the Red Star among Russian awards, and the Order of St. George (Egoria, as the soldiers called him) should be left unchanged. It is necessary to introduce new awards very carefully, if at all, but it is time to toughly determine their status and introduce a moratorium of 50 years to change it.
    An example from life. An official from the mayor's office calls and warns that tomorrow they will come to hand me the Zhukov Medal, for the defense of Moscow. My remark that I have nothing to do with the defense of Moscow, he was extremely annoyed. He began to accuse me of hatred of Zhukov, underestimation of the care of the city hall, etc. To explain to him that it was impossible to accept “not his reward” was impossible. I just had to send. But most likely, he didn’t understand anything. Conclusion: Do not bureaucracy on a cannon shot to admit the award.
  48. ed65b
    ed65b 27 November 2013 14: 35
    +2
    Our Lady Ms Vasilyeva is also a very worthy person awarded, sorry not posthumously.
  49. BOB48
    BOB48 27 November 2013 15: 25
    +2
    and it’s also very noticeable that ordinary people (who do much more for our country) - began to be rewarded noticeably less!
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 28 November 2013 21: 05
      0
      Quote: BOB48
      and it’s also very noticeable that ordinary people (who do much more for our country) - began to be rewarded noticeably less!

      And not simple either. There are professions in which everyone deserves rewards.
      The battle is over, the earth is black and crimson,
      We poured it with blood and fire,
      After the battle in the ranks, half of the platoon,
      We will call friends “200” and “300” cargo.

      We keep the world on Earth, sleep peacefully,
      At your borders, we fight
      Let war be unknown to all,
      The world stands while we are alive.

      We’ll never remove the “secret” stamp from our “Cases”,
      And the country will never know about us
      Not for peaceful labors, long life, and fame
      To protect the country, there are special forces.
  50. Desert Fox
    Desert Fox 27 November 2013 15: 48
    +1
    Guys, in the appendix to this topic I will remind you of one of the previous articles published on this site. It will be a concise addition.
    It wrote about how awards are held in modern Russia.
    Read this topic for anyone interested.

    http://topwar.ru/11696-ne-izvestnyy-geroy-rossii-kto-ty.html