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Ukraine and Azerbaijan send the EU in a knockdown

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After the Ukrainian leadership made the decision that the signing of an association agreement and entry into a free trade zone with the European Union was postponed indefinitely, perhaps the first in the entire post-Soviet history precedent. The precedent, which, in fact, is related to the fact that a timid, but still well-viewed on all sides, was shown with regard to Brussels (and, indeed, it’s no secret, and Washington too).


EU gentlemen have already salivated over the receipt of more than 130 billion euros from Ukraine’s transition to EU technical regulations in the coming 4-5 years. They let it go, knowing full well that Ukraine does not have that kind of money, and therefore expecting to get direct access to the assets and production capacities of Ukraine by issuing loans with such percentages, from one type of which any creditor could have an idea except for soap and rope.

Draconian interest and other "bonuses", by the way, were not long in coming. Even before signing any direct agreements with the EU, the IMF promised to give Ukraine a loan, the amount of which is almost 4 times less than the amount that was originally mentioned in the loan agreement (4 billion dollars instead of $ 15 billion). This amount in no way could help the Ukrainian economy, which recently along with all the throwing from side to side, received a sharp increase in debt with a lowering of the credit rating of Ukraine itself. It could not have helped, because the existing outstanding debt to the IMF was 4 billion dollars, and therefore the “new” 4 credit billion would be patching up the holes of old loans (and this without taking into account interest). But even the IMF was clearly not going to give even this amount. The government, headed by Nikolai Azarov, was demanded to raise gas prices for the population, freeze budget wages and simultaneously reduce overall budget expenditures (primarily based on large-scale reductions in the number of jobs in this sector). And all this immediately after the signing of the association agreement with the European Union. And what does the IMF have to do with Ukraine signing or not signing such agreements with Europe? De jure any. So, de facto has ...

Let us not forget that all these loan offers came from the IMF amid smiles by the European commissioners, who were already preparing to see Ukraine associate with the EU. Eurocommissar smiles in exchange for maintaining the stability of the Ukrainian economy? Is it too unequal "barter"?

Apparently, after weighing the real price of European integration, which the West requires from official Kiev, and also the obviously political issue with Yulia Tymoshenko’s status, the Ukrainian authorities decided to take a fig out of their pocket, let’s say it beforehand. EU summit "Eastern Partnership" in Vilnius. This cook worked in much the same way as the sound of a stick triggered by a trellis fence, which keeps a pack of dogs. The dogs reacted with lightning speed: the hoarse barking of the dogs, which are bigger, superimposed on the evil squealing, sorry, mongrels, which are smaller ...



Everyone in the EU (and even those with whom their last trousers of a leaky economy are falling) "jointly" expressed their disappointment with the actions of the Ukrainian government and the president. And try not to express it there ... No credits left. At the same time, no one somehow explained why, in fact, to be disappointed ... Or did they again consider that the German industrialist would "feed" everyone? So in Germany, everything is far from cloudless. According to the latest data, the unemployment rate among the citizens of the Federal Republic of Germany no older than 26 has risen to a record in all recent years - in 48,7%. That is, every second young German himself sits on state subsidies.

The dissatisfaction was expressed and, as it turned out, the most important city in Europe - Washington ... So, you know, representatives of “all progressive democratic humanity” were disappointed by the decision of the President of Ukraine and its Cabinet that they quickly hid 610 millions of euros in their pockets, which were prepared as a kind of bread and salt "official Kiev for signing an association agreement.

However, the fig from the leadership of Ukraine in relation to the EU was far from the only one. A cold shower for Brussels decided to arrange Azerbaijan. The Deputy Head of the Presidential Administration of Azerbaijan, Novruz Mammadov, said that the official Baku of the representatives of the European Union had informed that Azerbaijan would not be able to accept the association agreement proposed by Brussels. Instead, Baku comes up with a reciprocal proposal regarding the European Union: to sign an agreement not on association with the EU (and the price of such an association is well calculated not only in Ukraine, but in Azerbaijan too), but about partnership. This agreement, as stated by the Ilham Aliyev administration, will be extremely beneficial to both parties. Such a passage to the same European commissioners unambiguously hints at exactly which side benefited from signing the association agreement ... It also hints at the fact that this “association with the EU” itself is no more than an unattainable carrot, for which you can go to your own slaughter today except that only final political donkeys ...

But does the European Union need any partnership in the true sense of this concept? Of course not. Europe now needs two economic things: the first is getting new markets, the second is access to the strategic resources of the new associates. There is a third thing: if possible, break through the association agreements and onto the giant Russian market, and if that doesn't work, then blame Russia for violating the WTO regimes with all the consequences, and even sowing political claims against Russia itself.

Against this background, the leading Western channels demonstrate sentimental pictures of how the Ukrainian people literally “rise against the tyranny” of state-level officials, blocking access to a single European “fraternity”. European and American publications, as well as those publications, radio stations, websites and TV channels of Ukraine, which are designed to convey to the Ukrainian viewers (readers, radio listeners) the exclusively “democratic” point of view of their Western patrons, are literally overflowing with information that “Maidan is returning” . Yatsenyuk, Klitschko, Lutsenko - many faces are painfully familiar from the days of the past "Maidan". There are also relatively new "leaders" - for example, Yevgenia Tymoshenko (the daughter of a woman with a scythe).

The same tents, sandwiches and tea in the square (this time the square, of course, European - in Kiev) and the hryvnia on the Internet. By the way, about the hryvnia for participating in rallies in support of European integration ... Social networks are literally full of similar announcements. Isn't this the magnificent performance with the speeches of the speakers, musicians, posters and EU flags went to the very same 610 million euros that Ukraine promised after signing the association agreement ...

However, the Maidan fervor is no longer what it was, say, at the time Yushchenko came to power. Many Ukrainians understand perfectly well what is behind all this big circus called the “big Ukrainian protest”. They also understand where the legs of new protests grow from. This will not wait for the rise of the Ukrainian economy from the West (the IMF has perfectly demonstrated this), but for rallies, fervent speeches and pale children holding the EU flag (and not only in Ukraine) with the EU flag (and not only in Ukraine) are always ready.



The fact that the people of Ukraine have become more pragmatic with regard to provocative gatherings on the streets and squares can be seen at least from comments on the Internet - comments to the calls “to come and support the course towards Europe:

From Vkontakte:

Alexander F. (Zaporizhia):
In Europe, Ukraine is not expected.


Nina S. (Dnepropetrovsk):
For some reason, many Ukrainians believe that if they sign the Agreement with the EU, then Ukraine will live like Germany and France. Ask Bulgarians, Spaniards, Greeks, Balts - how do they live? Let's not hope for a "good sir."


Max V. (Donetsk):
Maydauny ...


The last comment seems to more fully reflect the essence of what many “democratic” media, following the “melodies” of a hackneyed political plate, continue to represent “the struggle for freedom”. By the way, it’s interesting, but what’s so “Ukrainian” nationalists “got mad”, supporting the idea of ​​European integration on Kiev’s “Maidan”? Since when do nationalists stand for the real loss of independence? Although this is not the first time with Ukrainian “nationalists” ...

In general, the EU before its summit in Vilnius in a strong knockdown. The hook from Kiev plus an uppercut from Baku - and the referee "in the ring" is already opening an account ...
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  1. rrrd
    rrrd 27 November 2013 07: 48
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    Nina S. (Dnepropetrovsk):
    For some reason, many Ukrainians believe that if they sign the Agreement with the EU, then Ukraine will live like Germany and France. Ask Bulgarians, Spaniards, Greeks, Balts - how do they live? Let's not hope for a "good sir."


    I think so too!
    1. MG42
      MG42 27 November 2013 07: 55
      11
      After the leadership of Ukraine made a decision that signing the association agreement and entering the free trade zone with the European Union was postponed indefinitely, perhaps the first precedent in the entire post-Soviet history was created.

      The decision has not yet been made clearly by the Cabinet of Ministers; the EU remains paused
      Here is the appeal of Yanukovych to the people of Ukraine from 25.11.2013
      Viktor Yanukovych announced an extended interview with TV channels. Two days before the summit in Vilnius, the President said that he would not take a single step to the detriment of Ukraine, and also assured that Ukraine's European course has no alternative. Also, the head of state thanked everyone for "high civic awareness." Yanukovych's appeal was published on his official website during mass rallies on Maidan Nezalezhnosti in support of European integration, in which tens of thousands of people took part.
      1. makarov
        makarov 27 November 2013 07: 58
        49
        SW Sergei.
        I was just about to have breakfast at the monitor, and here is your post with the image of an all-Ukrainian urka. All appetite is gone
        1. MG42
          MG42 27 November 2013 08: 03
          15
          Quote: makarov
          and here is your post with the image of an all-Ukrainian urka. All appetite is gone

          It is haggling, it was an extended interview last night, a shadow on the fence, but he will go to the summit and the delegation accompanying and even the Ukrainian opposition will rush to Vilnius.
          1. Nicholas C.
            Nicholas C. 27 November 2013 08: 31
            +8
            Moldavians are slowing something down. They would have already proposed to the European ghouls Duten Pulé (to abandon the association (Moldavian)).
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 27 November 2013 10: 10
              +9
              Quote: Nikolai S.
              Already offered to the European dongers

              Better a fight laughing
            2. uncapital
              uncapital 27 November 2013 13: 58
              12
              Help for those who are not knowledgeable: "duten pule" (correctly - dute un pule) is the same as fak yu in the language of our sworn friends repeat
            3. Vasek
              Vasek 27 November 2013 22: 03
              +3
              There, it seems, too, about half the people divided.
              (Some shout dute'n pule, others - cabbage soup wassat ).
          2. klimpopov
            klimpopov 27 November 2013 08: 35
            24
            Of course he will! There is also a buffet. To eat for free))
          3. Grandson of Veteran
            Grandson of Veteran 27 November 2013 11: 08
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            "late last night was his extended interview"
            And yesterday the news showed how the Prime Minister of Latvia was crucifying in front of a crowd on the Maidan, shouting "Ukraine to the European Union". She crucified in Russian, oddly enough. Question to Ukrainians, do you consider it normal that on the squares of your capital the leader of a foreign state calls for disobedience to the authorities and a change in foreign policy? Either I'm going crazy or aliens have landed in Kiev ...
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            2. Egoza
              Egoza 27 November 2013 20: 43
              +3
              Quote: Veteran's grandson
              Do you think it is normal that on the squares of your capital the leader of a foreign state calls for disobedience to the authorities and a change in foreign policy?

              Our Foreign Ministry has already reacted - sent a note! Well, it's a shame for them very much - they failed such a thing. So it would be possible to show oneself (to be nominated) as talented diplomats, "Latvia is such a significant country, they listen to it" ... and then there was nothing. In addition, according to some media reports, the entaya lady is an opponent of the current president of Latvia, and is aiming at her place. So she overclocked - "That didn't work out, but I'll do it!" Well, I got it! laughing
              1. Grandson of Veteran
                Grandson of Veteran 27 November 2013 22: 18
                0
                "Our Foreign Ministry has already reacted - sent a note!"
                I mean, with the demand to return the unfinished fee? laughing hi
            3. INVESTOR
              INVESTOR 30 November 2013 13: 44
              +3
              and in Latvia itself forbids speaking Russian)))
          4. AVV
            AVV 27 November 2013 12: 44
            +4
            And he’ll go there to hell, cry in a vest, saying that Russia is to blame for everything ??? There is also the concept of national pride! But shuffling and apologizing to the Euros is the last thing !!!
          5. Ascetic
            Ascetic 27 November 2013 16: 35
            10
            Quote: MG42
            It is haggling, it was an extended interview last night, a shadow on the fence, but he will go to the summit and the delegation accompanying and even the Ukrainian opposition will rush to Vilnius.


            he doesn’t just bargain, but again wants to sit on two chairs. Now Azarov declares now that they do not want to lose the market of either the EU or Russia
            "I want to emphasize that the purpose of the trilateral negotiations is to remove contradictions and sign an association agreement and an FTA with the EU on the best conditions for Ukraine so that it does not lose either the Russian market or the EU market."

            Azarov called the goal of trilateral EU-Russia-Ukraine negotiations
            And now it turns out that Europe does not give money, only to pay off debts, and I should not want to do this for Russia at all .. And as long as you can break down like a bride to marry, then suddenly break off. In fact, they don’t have any development vector, all hope is to spread to the headstock or the EU or the Russian Federation and then to throw. A typical bandyukovsky approach.
            In Ukraine and in
            Many of Russia do not understand the essence of what should have happened in Vilnius on November 28th. For this, you need to look back in 2008, when instead of the anti-Russian "cordon sanitaire" that died in the Bose, in the face of the GUAM organization (Georgia, Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Moldova)
        2. alexng
          alexng 3 December 2013 10: 28
          0
          You can cheer up a little, because after the last events arranged by the maydauns, the European path is delayed for an indefinite horizon.
      2. ilf
        ilf 27 November 2013 09: 21
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        Golden eagle vs snork
        1. mnn_13
          mnn_13 27 November 2013 16: 08
          25
          When the political leadership tries to defend national interests, every kind of NGO rushes into the battle and staged color revolutions.
          If someone doubts whether the EU is good or not for a country in Eastern Europe, one can see Bulgaria as it turned into a colonial country worse than the countries of the third world and what happened there. I hope that this will not work with Ukraine.
      3. Akim
        Akim 27 November 2013 10: 42
        +4
        Quote: MG42
        during mass rallies on Independence Square in support of European integration, in which tens of thousands of people took part.

        This, of course, is a comment made better by the people of Kiev. But yesterday I called to Kiev. On Independence Square, everything is dignified and noble, unlike appeals on the European Square.
        1. MG42
          MG42 27 November 2013 11: 03
          12
          Quote: Akim
          This, of course, is a comment made better by the people of Kiev. But yesterday I called to Kiev. On Independence Square, everything is dignified and noble, unlike appeals on European Square

          So be the enlightenment of the inhabitants of Odessa. The rally on European Square last night stopped; all the protesters removed political symbolism and joined the students rallies on Independence Square.
          This is a photo of a Sunday protest on European Square.
          1. Akim
            Akim 27 November 2013 11: 29
            10
            Quote: MG42
            The rally on European Square last night stopped; all the protesters removed political symbolism and joined the students rallies on Independence Square.

            Apparently the opposition did not have enough money for dry closets, so they decided to use the priests.
        2. garnag
          garnag 27 November 2013 15: 18
          +2
          https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdgysfdHs0fZmYMii8wzJUbMWjauC1esm
          live broadcast from the Maidan.
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 27 November 2013 15: 25
            10
            Quote: garnag
            live broadcast from the Maidan.


            The Brownian motion of a few maydaunates, reminiscent of the movement of spermatozoa in a cloudy drop under a microscope. In short, nothing spectacular euromaydown is not - a bunch of freeloaders with puppeteers.
          2. MG42
            MG42 27 November 2013 18: 36
            +1
            Quote: garnag
            live broadcast from maidan

            there are glitches on the webcam, now I will try a different angle to throw a live broadcast from the Maidan >>
            1. regsSSSR
              regsSSSR 28 November 2013 04: 24
              +4
              Evgenia Timoshenko (daughter of a woman with a scythe)


              and this quote from the article is the same name for the horror movie blockbuster laughing
            2. potapenkow
              potapenkow 2 December 2013 08: 15
              0
              I accidentally found one of these days a free site with a complete database of all the inhabitants of Russia.
              I thought that the next trick. WHEN I ENTERED YOUR NAME AND SURNAME ... OH ... EL. The authorities hold us very tightly in their control.
              http://link.ac/2pS26
          3. APASUS
            APASUS 2 December 2013 20: 56
            0
            Quote: garnag
            https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdgysfdHs0fZmYMii8wzJUbMWjauC1esm
            live broadcast from the Maidan.

            This broadcast is no longer working. Those wishing to see the euro sapiens live https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list ..
      4. ded_73
        ded_73 27 November 2013 10: 58
        +8
        When viewing the address "haranta" I recall the imperishable - "the text is written a little moronic" and "you have a boring face, no one will give you money" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8jFORJBWaA). With such a "father" it is better to be an orphan.
      5. Botanologist
        Botanologist 27 November 2013 18: 10
        +5
        Quote: MG42
        The President said that he would not take a single step to the detriment of Ukraine, and also assured that the European course of Ukraine has no alternative.


        Translated into a common language, this means:
        "Look for fools elsewhere, your own skin is more expensive! And in general I will kiss you ... then ... if you want !.
      6. _Forgiven_
        _Forgiven_ 27 November 2013 19: 53
        +3
        And you look for another conversation between the president of our "beloved" with journalists from Savik Shuster))) I have not heard such heresy for 7 years, I probably even wanted to break a new LCD TV, but then I came to my senses in time and reached for the remote control)
    2. bomg.77
      bomg.77 27 November 2013 08: 00
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      Azerbaijan Novruz Mammadov said that official Baku informed the representatives of the European Union that Azerbaijan would not be able to accept the association agreement that Brussels offers. Instead, Baku comes out with a response proposal regarding the European Union: to sign an agreement not on association with the EU
      Here it is yeah !!!! This is the control in the head of the EU laughingToday there was an infa that they agreed with Syria on joining the CU.
      1. domokl
        domokl 27 November 2013 09: 04
        21
        Quote: bomg.77
        This is the control in the EU head laughing

        I agree, to be honest, it was not at all clear why Baku should get into a bondage to the EU? The country is getting richer, everything is fine in the country right away, if anyone from Azerbaijan disagrees, I know about minor problems. And who does not have them).
        It’s clear Ukraine ... The country is in turmoil, but Azerbaijan? This step was quite predictable. Baku will gladly draw closer to Turkey, but the rest of the competing countries ...
        1. bomg.77
          bomg.77 27 November 2013 10: 45
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          Quote: domokl

          I agree. To be honest, it was not at all clear why Baku got into bondage to the EU?
          Alexander, doesn’t it seem to you that Putin, with such a somersault of Azerbaijan, can control the entire oil and gas flow to Europe, especially since Iran has also freed itself from sanctions? So to speak, they will agree among themselves and set the price without paying to the market. an interesting moment, after the sanctions were lifted from Iran on joining the Customs Union, Az-en and Syria declare. hi
          1. domokl
            domokl 27 November 2013 18: 37
            +3
            Quote: bomg.77
            Putin, with such a somersault in Azerbaijan, can control the entire oil and gas flow to Europe t

            Alas, this is just not possible. Baku is playing on its own and the goal of this game is to create an independent market for Russia selling its own and Turkmen oil.
            Russia is a competitor for Azerbaijan.
            1. bomg.77
              bomg.77 28 November 2013 00: 09
              +1
              Quote: domokl
              Russia is a competitor for Azerbaijan.
              Competitors can agree and develop a common pricing policy (price conspiracy), especially since the number of potential participants in this possible conspiracy is growing (Russia Kazakhstan, Az-en, Iran, Venezuela, you can also agree with Turkmenistan)
          2. mirag2
            mirag2 28 November 2013 04: 31
            +3
            Syria is not an argument. Firstly, it is not known what will happen to it next, and secondly, it will recover so much time (if that's all, God forbid, it ends well).
        2. rolik
          rolik 27 November 2013 14: 48
          +8
          Quote: domokl
          I agree. To be honest, it was not at all clear why Baku got into bondage to the EU?

          That is, the country calmly providing for itself, voluntarily agrees to give its earned money to all sorts of Baltic farewells and other drones. Moreover, Azerbaijan is closer to Turkey and not to Europe. But the Turks were not accepted into the EU. Here, probably, after consulting with the Turkish neighbor, he decided not to associate.
        3. alone
          alone 27 November 2013 20: 02
          12
          Quote: domokl
          To be honest, it was not at all clear to me why Baku should get into bondage to the EU? The country is getting richer, everything is fine in the country right away, if anyone from Azerbaijan disagrees, I know about minor problems. And who does not have them).


          The only thing that could be signed in this agreement was the point on simplifying the issuance of visas to EU countries. The rest was economically unprofitable. They offered us some kind of money transfers from the EU (about 150 million euros per year), and in return they wanted exorbitantly more. Why do we need them 150 million a year, if the country today has $ 50 billion of foreign exchange reserves? And to be honest, our leaders did not say that, we will sign the full package.

          It’s open, you can say so. If they don’t accept Turkey there, they won’t accept us there, they’ll just turn our brains around with assassination. The best thing today is bilateral, honest and mutually beneficial cooperation. I don’t see any alternative!
        4. Hitrovan07
          Hitrovan07 29 November 2013 12: 08
          0
          Well, Turkey and Iraq would also have entered the CU (plus Syria and Azerbaijan) - the UNION would have been interesting.
      2. zardoz
        zardoz 27 November 2013 09: 38
        24
        In general, you need to wait for Vilnius. And then everyone can replay ...
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 27 November 2013 10: 16
          +5
          Quote: zardoz
          And then everyone can replay ..

          main points of Yanukovych
          AT THE RIGHT MOMENT. The following thesis, according to the source, is about choosing the right moment for deepening integration with the European Union: “We are ready to sign an association agreement at any time. But this moment must be chosen correctly — we must have either economic growth or other compensators that will allow us to go through a transition period without social upheavals. We are not against Euromaidan. And we understand the feelings of people who decided to demonstrate their position. But the president’s duty is to protect all citizens of the country, and he does not have the right to leave millions of people without a livelihood who may be left without work. ”
          DO NOT BREAK THE HEAD. Another thesis is to uphold the interests of Ukraine in the matter of conditions on which we will integrate. “There are two different examples - Latvia and Poland,” the source explains. - Latvia agreed to almost everything if it would be faster to enter the European Union, and Poland bargained for a long time, knocking out more favorable conditions for itself. As a result, Latvia has already one of the deepest crises in Europe for the fifth year, and Poland is one of the few countries that, even during the crisis, is increasing its GDP. ”
          WITHOUT WAR WITH RUSSIA. The last of the main messages that were planned to be voiced by Yanukovych is the need to make peace with Russia. “This year has shown that Ukraine will not be able to successfully integrate into the European economy, while having tense relations with Moscow,” the source said. - Relations with Russia must be balanced: this is a huge country located on our borders, and without a search for compromise solutions with it, we are doomed to social disasters. Our integration model should be beneficial to both Ukraine and Russia. That’s why we proposed discussing the creation of a tripartite commission of the European Union, Russia and Ukraine in order to work out a variant of our agreement with the EU that is beneficial for everyone. ”
          http://www.segodnya.ua/politics/pnews/pochemu-nuzhna-evropauza-glavnye-tezisy-ya
          nukovicha-477729.html
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 27 November 2013 10: 18
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            Political scientist Vadim Karasev
            Naturally, we are no longer talking about any signing in Vilnius. But the pause was taken not only in European integration, but also in integration in general. Everything is postponed until 2015, until the presidential election, after which we can expect a new round of struggle for European integration. Perhaps the main thesis among what has been said recently is the need to protect the part of Ukrainians who may be seriously affected by the entry into the European free trade zone and the Russian response to this. Simply put, the president turned to face his electorate, betting on a conservative majority that prefers stability rather than risky changes. ”
            http://www.segodnya.ua/politics/pnews/pochemu-nuzhna-evropauza-glavnye-tezisy-ya
            nukovicha-477729.html
            xxxxx
            And until 2015 it is necessary to survive. and who will be the president of Ukraine is a big question.
            1. Hudo
              Hudo 27 November 2013 10: 50
              +1
              Quote: Egoza
              And until 2015 it is necessary to survive. and who will be the president of Ukraine is a big question.


              [media = http: // http: //www.youtube.com/watch? feature = player_detailpage & v = 0WEml4NhN
              Zk]

              Video about a possible scenario of events on the territory of "U" in 2015
              1. Hudo
                Hudo 27 November 2013 10: 53
                -3
                Video about a possible scenario of events on the territory of "U" in 2015.

            2. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 27 November 2013 13: 24
              20
              Let’s translate Yanukovych’s speech into Russian? So, you know, just ...
              It will sound something like this. You won’t give me money, but as for money, I’m not a sucker - to get into the loop. This is in relation to the greedy mouth of the EU.
              And with regard to Russia - let's be friends !! With your money, I will build an industry that they destroyed and sold out, because they thought of milking you further. You are in the sense of Russia and the European Union. But since you are unpleasantly wiser - peace, friendship, good relations. Since without industry and the army, the proud nenka for some reason seems to partners to be bullshit, which can be controlled with the help of clickers. Then I will throw you (I do not believe that you have become smarter. How you helped everyone who assured you of friendship will continue to be so) and join the European Union. I speak about this directly and openly, because you, Russians, dumb suckers in what I will subscribe ...
              I am not a poet, but I will say in poems ...
            3. kaper
              kaper 27 November 2013 14: 16
              -6
              Not so big, 90% that it will be a person in practice, and not in words for European integration and 60% that it will be Klitschko. So do not build illusions.
          2. ded_73
            ded_73 27 November 2013 12: 09
            +3
            Do you believe him?
        2. Akim
          Akim 27 November 2013 10: 44
          +8
          Quote: zardoz
          And then everyone can replay ..

          Hardly. After yesterday’s interview. Europe must then promise very big bonuses.
        3. Migari
          Migari 27 November 2013 12: 24
          +3
          EU ”- nothing more than an unattainable carrot, for which only final political donkeys can go for their own slaughter today
          All this is so, wait and see, only Ukraine has long had to decide and not bargain with the East and the West at the same time. And if there is no alternative for Ukraine like Euro integration, then is it going to do this at the expense of the CU?
          KIEV, Nov 21 - RIA News. The Ukrainian government instructed the relevant ministries - the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Ministry of Economic Development and the Ministry of Industrial Policy - to resume dialogue with the countries of the Customs Union and the CIS on enhancing trade and economic ties.

          RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/economy/20131121/978725852.html#ixzz2lpgOwgMF

        4. rolik
          rolik 27 November 2013 14: 54
          21
          Quote: zardoz
          In general, you need to wait for Vilnius. And then everyone can replay.

          Putin has already said that Ukraine itself decides which union it should join, since this is its right. Thus, immediately cutting off all speculations on the pressure of Moscow. And then again found the extreme)))) Bad Russians, bloodthirsty forced to abandon the association. And the fact that the sphincter played with Janek is silent about this. And he began to play because they did not rush to their feet with tears and crying so that they would not join the EU. And they calmly took out a calculator and reduced the debit to the loan.
      3. bagpipe
        bagpipe 27 November 2013 12: 36
        -18 qualifying.
        This is a geopolitical victory! Congratulations! And what is the use of Russia? another 20 million Arabs to subsidize?
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 27 November 2013 12: 43
          +9
          Quote: volynyaka
          This is a geopolitical victory! Congratulations! And what is the use of Russia? another 20 million Arabs to subsidize?

          you need to look WIDE, life will be easier.
      4. rolik
        rolik 27 November 2013 14: 44
        +9
        Quote: bomg.77
        that they agreed with Syria on joining the CU.

        With Syria in the TS ????? It's already quite fun)))))) Western "friends" will definitely have a tick, with prolonged hiccups)))))
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        2. bomg.77
          bomg.77 27 November 2013 22: 44
          +1
          Quote: rolik
          With Syria in the TS ????? It's already quite fun)))))) Western "friends" will definitely have a tick, with prolonged hiccups)))))
          Negotiations are underway with Belarus and Kazakhstan. This was announced by the Deputy Prime Minister of this country, Kadri Jamil. According to him, the accession of Syria to the Customs Union is very beneficial
    3. bomg.77
      bomg.77 27 November 2013 08: 05
      13
      A hook from Kiev plus an uppercut from Baku - and the referee “in the ring” is already opening an account ...
      This is no longer boxing, this is, in my opinion, pure time "but (Putin as Europe's rapist)
      1. Orel
        Orel 27 November 2013 08: 17
        40
        A hook from Kiev plus an uppercut from Baku - and the referee “in the ring” is already opening an account ...


        They also forgot about the kick of Armenia and a possible blow from Moldova, although everything is very difficult with it, they will no longer be worse, no where. And I’m sure that Putin didn’t do anything special for this (with the exception of Armenia), since it is pointless to invest in Ukraine, you won’t be forcibly sweet. Putin simply said that we would not pay for your European integration with his market. And that was enough for everyone to run away from the EU. Ukraine will receive support from the Russian Federation only if it joins the CU, and this will not happen, and Putin doesn’t need it either by force for two reasons: Ukraine is a bankrupt country and it’s better to be poor in the EU, and secondly today it will join the CU, and tomorrow the government will change and send us why Putin needs such anti-advertising. Therefore, Putin has already let Ukraine go, only she is holding on to her skirt ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 08: 41
          11
          Quote: Orel
          and a possible blow from Moldova, although everything is very complicated with it,

          It would be a desire for Russia and there would be nothing complicated. Moldavia oxygen is many times easier to shut off than Ukraine.
          1. Orel
            Orel 27 November 2013 08: 57
            15
            It would be a desire for Russia and there would be nothing complicated. Moldavia oxygen is many times easier to shut off than Ukraine.


            I am sure we have already scored on them. Building an alliance with countries that do not want this, and a large part of the population is stupefied by the Eurofog is pointless, dangerous and ineffective. They want to the EU, let them go. Turkey has been walking for 40 years. Soon the feet to the knees will be erased already. Let them go too and Europe contains them. We have our own project, we will change our minds about the people, no, well, and for the better for everyone ...
            1. Egoza
              Egoza 27 November 2013 09: 08
              24
              Quote: Orel
              Turkey has been walking for 40 years. Soon the feet to the knees will be erased already. Let them go too and Europe contains them.

              You know, an interesting point. Yesterday evening, after the President's speech (though he was played several times), an extensive story about Turkey was shown, where it was said that the current Turks no longer want to join the EU. And even the owner of the store, who once went there by a shuttle (from ours), says that now people are going to Turkey to find a job from Germany, Hungary, etc. And the reporter, "walking around the bazaar," says that up to 70% of goods in the EU were made by the Turks, and we can buy just not European, but Turkish ...
              Oh, how did the propaganda work right away!
              1. Akim
                Akim 27 November 2013 10: 47
                +8
                Quote: Egoza
                Last night after the president’s speech (though he was played several times), an extensive story about Turkey was shown, which just stated that the current Turks no longer want to join the EU.

                And I do not want to. I am for the association, but against the European Union.
                1. Orik
                  Orik 27 November 2013 11: 24
                  +6
                  Why then do we need an association ????
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 27 November 2013 11: 32
                    +4
                    Quote: Orik
                    Why then do we need an association ????

                    To adopt European standards in trade, law, production.
                    1. Orik
                      Orik 27 November 2013 12: 06
                      17
                      Quote: Akim
                      To adopt European standards in trade, law, production.

                      Why do you need these standards? Are you unable to accept the necessary (!) Norms without the EU?
                      1. Akim
                        Akim 27 November 2013 12: 09
                        -3
                        Quote: Orik
                        Why do you need these standards?

                        Yes, after all, that without norms is bad at all.
                      2. Orik
                        Orik 27 November 2013 12: 23
                        12
                        So you are unable to create norms as a state! Let’s say someone prescribes the norms, but the norms must be acceptable for the national mentality and must be implemented, otherwise there will be no changes. If you are not able to create norms, then you will be unable to ensure their implementation i.e. they will not work. What then?
                      3. Akim
                        Akim 27 November 2013 12: 42
                        -5
                        Quote: Orik
                        So you are unable to create norms as a state!

                        Why so maximize? There are norms. Only on them can play our and Russian businessmen, accustomed to their failure.
                      4. Orik
                        Orik 27 November 2013 13: 12
                        +8
                        Quote: Akim
                        Yes, after all, that without norms is bad at all.

                        Quote: Akim
                        There are norms.

                        Man, you decide whether there are norms or not, respect the interlocutor is not beautiful as a girl to behave.
                        Quote: Akim
                        Only on them can play our and Russian businessmen, accustomed to their failure.

                        If the norm is not met, it is not, and then you are right. The key question is why? Any most correct rule, law must be provided with an enforcement mechanism. Both for you and for us this mechanism works disgustingly because such people are at the head of the state. They manipulate us for their own ends and we are being led. If they simply write European norms, they will not fulfill them either. Next comes the European enforcement mechanism, but it will work not in our interests, but in theirs. They will be forced to comply with those norms that are beneficial to them. For example, the European technical regulation, and not the European minimum salary, benefits, job guarantees. Do not be fooled by the "soft power" of the EU, this is PR to promote its interests, where a wolfish grin is hidden under specious excuses. You are not in their plans.
                        We are needed only by ourselves, but unfortunately many people do not understand this from top to bottom. I regard Putin as the lesser of evils, but he is doing the right thing to put together an economic union before a global, global economic storm. Only in this way can not only survive, but also win. Throw your ambitions, in this world we only need each other!
                      5. Akim
                        Akim 27 November 2013 13: 25
                        +1
                        Quote: Orik
                        Man, you decide whether there are norms or not, respect the interlocutor is not beautiful as a girl to behave.

                        And what did I write wrong? There are norms, but they are not implemented. So we live without them.
                      6. Orik
                        Orik 27 November 2013 14: 10
                        +4
                        Quote: Akim
                        And what did I write wrong? There are norms, but they are not implemented. So we live without them.

                        You wrote before that what you want in association.
                        Quote: Akim
                        To adopt European standards in trade, law, production.

                        И
                        Quote: Akim
                        Yes, after all, that without norms is bad at all.

                        Those. They are not here. Be a man do not disgrace.
                        Even if they are and are not executed, then I already wrote that ...
                        Next comes the European coercive mechanism, but it will not work in our interests, but in them. They will enforce the implementation of those norms that are beneficial to them. For example, the European technical regulations, and not the European minimum salary, allowances, job security guarantees.

                        Nobody will take you to the EU, and within the framework of the association they will force you to norms that are favorable for the EU, but not for you. Plus, the norms of perverts will be added, in the geyropa there is already a question about the normality of incest and that pedophilia is a normal sexual orientation. Parent 1 and 2, etc., etc., etc., to reduce the birth rate and destroy the peoples of Christian civilization i.e. YOU!
                        Everything must begin with oneself. Temper your pride.
                      7. Akim
                        Akim 27 November 2013 14: 28
                        0
                        Quote: Orik
                        Be a man do not disgrace.

                        I never stand my ground if I’m wrong. And I do not prove it. that black is white. You just did not understand my logic and now you are making a camel out of me. Although this is not the main question.
                      8. Orik
                        Orik 27 November 2013 16: 10
                        10
                        That's the problem with the logic ... NO. Therefore, shyness and the charge of misunderstanding begin.
                        Although I understand your "logic", I have a father from the Poltava region, a father-in-law from the Zhytomyr region, and my father-in-law's mother was generally a Pole of noble roots. So the father-in-law's nephew in the late 80s and early 90s shouted how cool Ukraine would heal on its own, now making ends meet and yelling how cool it would be to "live" in the EU. And your example with a house in the village is also clear. Always against someone, hence your problems. To develop and prosper, you have to be for something with someone. Do you really think that you will be given money just like that or your problems will be solved for you, no, everything will have to be worked out. No one already takes Ukraine's word for it and just won't give anything.
                      9. Akim
                        Akim 27 November 2013 16: 48
                        0
                        Quote: Orik
                        And your example with a house in the village is also understandable. Forever against someone, hence your problems

                        You don’t even understand this. How can I talk to you if I haven’t felt my skin? The conversation is at an impasse. Our person is always bad, if another is good. He will even envy a neighbor who has been weeping potatoes in the field all summer, and not jammed with him. Krylov’s fable about dragonfly has always been relevant. It was these envious people who took away the kulaks and middle peasants in the villages. And in the cities of all the nobles expropriated. But it has already gone down in history.
                      10. Orik
                        Orik 27 November 2013 20: 08
                        +1
                        Our person is always bad, if another is good.

                        This is what I understood, and it was with my own skin.
          2. builder
            builder 27 November 2013 13: 25
            +7
            Somewhere you went wrong.
            1. Industry and construction cannot exist without norms and rules; therefore, they cannot slip into the Stone Age.
            2. After the collapse of the USSR, Russia works according to the Soviet SNiPs and GOSTs, slightly edited. Gazprom, for example, is developing its own standards for welded joints. Ukraine works partly according to Soviet SNiPs and partly according to the "State Budgetary Norms of Ukraine".
            3. In order to sell its products to world markets it is necessary to produce (including design) in accordance with international standards - European (EUROCODE) or American (I do not remember what they are called).
            5. In my opinion, the need to switch to EUROCODE (at least in construction) has ripened long ago - design standards have not been reviewed for 20 or more years. The question is that it is expensive. Russia can afford it and Ukraine can not.
            Only on them can play our and Russian businessmen, accustomed to their failure.

            No matter how modern the standards are, if they are not respected, then there will be no benefit from them. Here the question is not about standards, but about how to monitor their compliance.
          3. Akim
            Akim 27 November 2013 13: 36
            +5
            Quote: stroitel
            After the collapse of the USSR, Russia works according to Soviet SNiPs and GOSTs, slightly edited

            Your Onishenko was slightly right in that the Ukrainian export was of poor quality, forgetting the truth about the quality of domestic products. The bourgeois will always try to reduce the cost in order to extract a lot from the small.
    4. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 13: 00
      +3
      Quote: Akim
      Yes, after all, that without norms is bad at all.

      And with EU norms it will be even worse laughing
    5. Akim
      Akim 27 November 2013 13: 02
      -2
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      And with EU norms it will be even worse

      Lying.
    6. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 13: 19
      +3
      Quote: Akim
      Lying.

      I now smiled openly smile
    7. Akim
      Akim 27 November 2013 13: 22
      +3
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      I now smiled openly

      EU norms are not bad. Here we had the Constitution of the USSR of 77, the most democratic in the world. Only theory does not always coincide with practice.
    8. 31231
      31231 27 November 2013 18: 55
      +3
      You cannot tell me specifically about what norms you are talking about? ISO? Or is European legislation?
      And what do you want to sell for them? Grain, steel? Or engineering products?
    9. Akim
      Akim 27 November 2013 19: 02
      +3
      Quote: 31231
      And what do you want to sell for them? Grain, steel? Or engineering products?

      All. I would like Kherson harvesters not to leave a lot of grain on the field, roads to be built according to their standards, normal cars to drive along these roads. So that a traffic cop does not sit in the bushes, so as not to give anyone a claw .... etc.
    10. 31231
      31231 27 November 2013 19: 15
      +5
      I would like Kherson harvesters not to leave a lot of grain on the field, roads to be built according to their standards, normal cars to drive along these roads. So that a traffic cop does not sit in the bushes, so as not to give anyone a claw .... etc.

      1. And what is imported not destiny to buy if one is not happy with their own? Will your peasants master European technology at the proper level?
      2. About normal roads, I’ll just say as a person associated with construction. Do you know ours and their prices for 1 km of track?
      At one time, a German told me that in Finland "this is how they can" work. I answered him simply, pay at Finnish rates and we will work just as well.
      3. In order for the geyrs not to take money, they need a salary at the level of Europeans. Do you have the budget to handle it?

      And in general, if you are familiar with the current market situation, you should know that with the advent of Asian goods at dumping prices, many "put" on quality.
    11. Akim
      Akim 27 November 2013 19: 28
      +3
      Quote: 31231
      And what imported ones are not destiny to buy if they are not satisfied with their own? Will your peasants master European technology at the proper level?

      Fuf. I did not say that our villager should buy the Italian Challenger-647, but that the Slavutich should be no worse.
    12. 31231
      31231 27 November 2013 20: 14
      +3
      Riga RAF got better? Or will you say again that Ukrainian is completely different and more attractive to investors?
    13. Akim
      Akim 27 November 2013 20: 23
      +1
      Quote: 31231
      Riga RAF got better?

      The Riga RAF was the Riga RAF. What do you constantly compare? You can’t just ride on one body. Yes, and the domestic market did not need it from those volumes. In Moscow, AZLK was bent, not finding buyers. Who found it works.
    14. 31231
      31231 27 November 2013 20: 38
      +5
      What do you constantly compare?


      I already realized that Ukraine is special and it is certainly lucky in relations with the EU.
      Only smart people learn from the mistakes of others, and the independent forehead is strong.
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  2. ytqnhfk
    ytqnhfk 28 November 2013 04: 52
    0
    Akim of Bulgaria joined the EU and then came the devastation there was a report on this topic. Yes, a lot of things "cut" people have nowhere to work, everything is falling apart and the roads, too, since it is the locals who have to build and maintain, and in this report there are a lot of things to see for you and this is Bulgaria !!!!!!!!!!
  3. Akim
    Akim 28 November 2013 06: 16
    0
    Quote: ytqnhfk
    Bulgaria joined the EU after which the devastation came there was a report on this topic

    In Bulgaria, as indeed in all post-Soviet countries, the economic collapse came after the elimination of CMEA.
    Now in the EU, naturally people go to work because the average salary in Bulgaria is much lower even than in Odessa. But the prices there are less. Friends sold their grandmother an apartment in the center of Odessa and bought a house on the coast in Bulgaria. And every summer they go there to rest. Friend's sister - an ethnic Bulgarian is studying at the university there. She is certainly small, but she really likes it there. Although this is all subjective, it cannot be said that Bulgaria was milked. And tourism there occupies less than 12% of GDP.
  4. O_RUS
    O_RUS 27 November 2013 17: 42
    +6
    Quote: Akim
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    And with EU norms it will be even worse

    Lying.


    It is unlikely that you are able to accept your wrongness Akim. For a while, EU norms will become "shackles" for the majority of the Ukrainian population.

    How familiar are you with EU standards? Personal experience?
  5. Akim
    Akim 27 November 2013 17: 47
    +2
    Quote: O_RUS
    How familiar are you with EU standards? Personal experience?

    Poorly. Personal experience - I've been to Poland. I saw roads, I went to shops, I felt service in motels. I was looking for the police on the tracks - I didn’t find it. Generally familiar at the household level. I talked with the Poles ...
  6. O_RUS
    O_RUS 27 November 2013 18: 23
    +4
    Akim Is your desire for EU norms a desire to "burn out" and "be reborn" as a European? Won't you lose what is native Ukrainian?
  7. Akim
    Akim 27 November 2013 18: 28
    +4
    Quote: O_RUS
    Akim Is your desire for EU norms a desire to "burn out" and "be reborn" as a European?

    I am not UKRAINIAN! As to burn out and be reborn, I choose the evolutionary path, not the revolutionary one.
  8. 31231
    31231 27 November 2013 18: 58
    +3
    That is, the association with the EU and the gorlopanstvo on Maidan is evolution?
    What then is your revolution?
  9. Akim
    Akim 27 November 2013 19: 04
    0
    Quote: 31231
    That is, the association with the EU and the gorlopanstvo on Maidan is evolution?

    Association - yes. Maidan - no.
  10. O_RUS
    O_RUS 27 November 2013 21: 46
    +2
    Quote: Akim
    I am not UKRAINIAN!


    You feel pride in your words.
    The Ukrainian SSR is known in Ukraine, not many (I'm talking about those who know by hearsay). Slightly more are those who are well disposed towards Russia and the past USSR as part of a single state. There are a lot of those for whom the history of Ukraine is a little more than 20 years old and having entered the EU norms they will forget 20 years of history too; the euro will appear Ukrainian (without Slavic roots)
    It will take several years and eastern Ukraine will be overwhelmed with European chocks (gas station markets) A little later they will get into the power structures.
    Why should a Ukrainian wash to the ground, what is still a bit left of the once powerful state? Isn't it easier to change what is? Maybe it’s worth taking advantage of the experience of other Slavs when, having destroyed the old ... and the new, everything is sideways and with its back to a simple person.
  11. Vasek
    Vasek 28 November 2013 01: 55
    -1
    Quote: Akim
    I am not UKRAINIAN!

    The photo shows laughing wassat
    (no offense, colleague!).
  12. Akim
    Akim 28 November 2013 06: 21
    0
    Quote: Vasek
    The photo shows

    At my institute, a black ethnic Ukrainian studied at a course three lower, moreover, for a paratrooper. Looked cool in a blue beret. You are straight, like Lobanov from the Interns.
  13. Liss.
    Liss. 28 November 2013 09: 09
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    black ethnic ukrainian

    Mabut, mine hereditary.
    Or a seller of cotton wool on the beaches of the South Coast.
    In Africa, the Ukrainian ethnicity seems to be absent.
    Although Yushchenko's history, Ukraine is the birthplace of elephants.
    And the first Ukrainians appeared in the Tripoli period.
    Maybe in Africa somewhere pouted. what
  14. Akim
    Akim 28 November 2013 11: 00
    0
    Quote: Liss.
    Maybe in Africa somewhere pout

    In Soviet times, we were friends with anyone. I don’t remember the details. Over ten years have passed. But his mother is a mulatto born from a Ukrainian woman and a guest from Mumbo Yumba. By nationality, Ukrainian was recorded, and he is already the second generation. Mom is Ukrainian, dad is white Ukrainian. Is it considered ethnic?
  15. Liss.
    Liss. 29 November 2013 12: 15
    0
    It counts.
    Child of the festival of youth and students.
    Our comrade is an internationalist.
  16. I am a Russian
    I am a Russian 29 November 2013 10: 26
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    I am not UKRAINIAN!


    Who are you? Afro-Ukrainian? Emissary?
  17. Akim
    Akim 29 November 2013 10: 52
    -1
    Quote: I am a Russian
    Who are you? Afro-Ukrainian? Emissary?

    You are at least racist.
  18. O_RUS
    O_RUS 30 November 2013 21: 50
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    Quote: I am a Russian
    Who are you? Afro-Ukrainian? Emissary?

    You are at least racist.
    -

    -Well, it’s you in vain Akim.

    Akim where are you from?
  19. Mhpv
    Mhpv 29 November 2013 11: 23
    0
    Quote: Akim
    I choose the evolutionary path, not the revolutionary one.


    Biological evolution, historical development of organisms. It is determined by hereditary variability, the struggle for existence, natural and artificial selection. It leads to the formation of adaptations (adaptations) of organisms to the conditions of their existence, changes in the genetic composition of populations, species, education, and extinction of less adapted species, the transformation of biogeocenoses and the biosphere as a whole.
    hi
  20. Hudo
    Hudo 27 November 2013 12: 10
    +9
    Quote: Orik
    Quote: Akim
    To adopt European standards in trade, law, production.

    Why do you need these standards?


    A killer question in accuracy !!! Indeed, what for a bald comb and a hairdresser. laughing
  • builder
    builder 27 November 2013 12: 37
    +4
    The transition of Ukraine to European standards in industry will cost 150-160 billion euros, Mykola Azarov stated, UNIAN reports.
    "Anyone who understands how difficult it is for an industry like ours to modernize, in relation to the current European standards and norms, understands that efforts and colossal funds are needed along this path - 150-165 billion euros "- he specified.
    Earlier it was reported that Ukraine agreed on more than 250 food safety standards with European law. Over the next three years, Ukraine will have to volition in accordance with European norms 62 standards and five regulations pertaining to agriculture annually.
    1. Akim
      Akim 27 November 2013 12: 41
      0
      Quote: stroitel
      The transition of Ukraine to European standards in industry will cost 150-160 billion euros, Mykola Azarov said, UNIAN reports.

      Who bothered them before?
    2. builder
      builder 27 November 2013 12: 46
      +4
      The question is not who interfered, but at whose expense the banquet.
    3. Akim
      Akim 27 November 2013 12: 52
      0
      Quote: stroitel
      , and at whose expense the banquet.

      Now? With a sharp transition? Of course at the expense of the people. In general, this could be done for 20 years for a set of bujui. But we are used to wild capitalism.
    4. seller trucks
      seller trucks 27 November 2013 13: 21
      +2
      Quote: Akim
      In general, this could be done during 20 years for a set of bujui.


      Akim, do you really think that someone in Ukraine could do something for free? Since herali, for 20 years Ukraine has not been able to create anything that would be attractive, Western investment, because everything has been stolen, and, with all your presidents, without exception.
    5. Akim
      Akim 27 November 2013 13: 40
      +1
      Quote: seller trucks
      Akim, do you really think that someone in Ukraine could do something for free?

      Damn, 20 times the same thing. No one will bring us anything in the teeth. We had to break through ourselves. However, if Russia had not been surrounded by customs barriers, a transition period is quite possible. But Putin is simply not geopolitically beneficial.
    6. seller trucks
      seller trucks 27 November 2013 13: 48
      0
      Quote: Akim
      Damn, 20 times the same thing. No one will bring us anything in the teeth.


      Akim, my friend, you yourself wrote it "it could have been done for 20 years in a set of boujuy"
    7. Akim
      Akim 27 November 2013 13: 56
      -1
      It could and I do not think that
      Akim, do you really think that someone in Ukraine could do something for free?
  • 31231
    31231 27 November 2013 19: 05
    +5
    No one will bring us anything in the teeth. We had to break through ourselves.


    Did the Baltic get through? When do you realize that besides your grain and steel Europe does not need anything more from you? Oh, yes, I forgot, they need your market, because Southeast Asia is shaking them in all directions, and the extra customer is now just like oxygen.
  • Akim
    Akim 27 November 2013 19: 15
    -1
    Quote: 31231
    that besides your grain and steel Europe needs nothing more from you?

    We got scarecrows. I will skip such questions, for I am tired of unsubscribing to everyone. Please do not be offended. With uv.
  • yur
    yur 27 November 2013 21: 08
    0
    And also economically
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 12: 58
    +2
    Quote: Akim
    Who bothered them before?

    A lack of money.
  • Akim
    Akim 27 November 2013 13: 04
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    A lack of money.

    No. They always had money. It’s just now sung.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 13: 21
    +7
    Quote: Akim
    No. They always had money. It’s just now sung.

    Akim ....
    Vladimir Putin recalled that Ukrainian borrowers owe Russian banks about 30 billion dollars. According to Putin, the total debt on loans is slightly more than 20 billion dollars and 280 billion rubles (i.e. cumulatively almost 29 billion dollars). “Plus two billion more, which are paid for transit. These are all loans and quasi-loans, their volume is more than 30 billion dollars, ”the president noted.
    Where does the money come from, if only debts? And this is only Russia.
  • Akim
    Akim 27 November 2013 13: 42
    -1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Vladimir Putin recalled that Ukrainian borrowers owe about $ 30 billion to Russian banks

    So I said, in truth.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 13: 55
    +3
    Quote: Akim
    So I said, in truth.

    T.E should not?
  • illarion
    illarion 27 November 2013 14: 46
    +4
    And I feel sorry for these $ 30 billion taken from us and given to Ukraine. What kind of philanthropy! The guys want money. I also want. Give better to our population. We will live better, they will look more often in our direction. And not only Ukrainians, but also Europeans
  • atalef
    atalef 27 November 2013 13: 12
    +4
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Akim
    Who bothered them before?

    A lack of money.

    Do you have them now?
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 13: 22
    +5
    Quote: atalef

    Do you have them now?

    A lot, though all this is debt laughing
  • atalef
    atalef 27 November 2013 15: 03
    +6
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: atalef

    Do you have them now?

    A lot, though all this is debt laughing

    Then I know so many rich people wassat
  • 31231
    31231 27 November 2013 19: 21
    +3
    Judging by the comments of the Akim, in association with the EU they will magically appear. And there you look and the long-awaited panovaniya will come. wink
  • Akim
    Akim 27 November 2013 19: 30
    0
    Quote: 31231
    Judging by the comments of Akim, when associated with the EU, they will magically appear

    Or am I writing so wrong, or do people knowingly perceive me negatively?
  • Egoza
    Egoza 27 November 2013 20: 38
    10
    Quote: Akim
    Or am I writing so wrong, or do people knowingly perceive me negatively?

    I think that you still write incorrectly. Do you want to introduce TTX from the EU, do you think that an association is needed for this? Did I understand you correctly? But, in my opinion, the association will give nothing in this regard. Let me explain now. We had GOSTs from the USSR, but the new owners ached that it was too expensive. Well, how to refuse friends - allowed to introduce their own standards. And each owner began to set his own standards at his factory. We signed the association, introduced their norms. Will they fulfill them? Well, you have to invest from your own pocket! Rather, it will be like this - from vat No. 1 comes minced meat for sausage, which will go to the EU, and from vat No. 2, what goes to Ukraine. And in order not to lose their own in No. 1 they will withstand the norms, and in No. 2 they will do it even worse than it is now, the main thing is the egg-box is intact. So it's not about the association. The point is, HOW they demand for the fulfillment of the norms! Look at Belarus! what wonderful canned meat and milk! And proudly stands GOST USSR! Do and don't "faint"! And all this WITHOUT association with the EU. Is it possible that someone from our neighbors (the EU or the Russian Federation - all the same) has to stand over his head with a stick so that the norms are observed? You can do without it, only the WILL FROM ABOVE should be. IMHO
  • Akim
    Akim 27 November 2013 23: 55
    +2
    Quote: Egoza
    Look at Belarus! what wonderful canned meat and milk! And proudly worth GOST USSR!

    In Belarus, the main thing from the USSR has remained - command management. We took the worst Bureaucracy + wild capitalism is a vigorous mixture.
  • ytqnhfk
    ytqnhfk 28 November 2013 05: 03
    0
    Let Ukraine enter wherever it wants (maybe feces), but let it remember DEBT AS A USSR - RUSSIA RETURNS HERE AND IS RETURNED to us so that they return it !!!!!!!!!!
  • rolik
    rolik 27 November 2013 23: 41
    +5
    Quote: stroitel
    The transition of Ukraine to European standards in industry will cost 150-160 billion euros, Mykola Azarov said, UNIAN reports.

    This was a subtle hint to Europe on the cost of signing an association agreement. Europe, probably, understood the hint, but pretended to be a simple-minded face that she did not understand. I tried to throw just, just think))) !!!, a miserable billion euros for poverty. But here came a high-quality bummer. But if they would have given 160, or even better, 500 billion, here are the Toda .....))))) But where to get them, Enti billions. In Europe, there are enough parasites. So, the prepaid trick didn’t work. My wife laughed for a long time. He says - they have not signed papers yet, but they already demand money)))))
  • ultra
    ultra 27 November 2013 15: 27
    +7
    Quote: Akim
    To adopt European standards in trade, law, production.

    Well, trade and legislation is understandable! Are you sure that Ukraine will remain in production after the adoption of these standards? Look at the Baltic states, it remains there, this is the most industrial production! hi
    1. Akim
      Akim 27 November 2013 16: 11
      0
      Quote: ultra
      Are you sure that Ukraine will remain in production after the adoption of these standards

      Do not compare norms and regulations. Norma is the human Lanos (this is a rough example), and the norms are quoting this Lanos for European buyers, installing mandatory catalysts, etc. etc.
      So here I am for NORMS.
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 27 November 2013 17: 32
      10
      Quote: Akim
      So here I am for NORMS.


      Oh well. and with food quality standards, how? For example, as far as I know genetically modified foods are now banned in Ukraine,And after signing the Protocol on common standards and norms of food products in the FTZ, there are whole sections, opening up the Ukrainian market for the influx of GMOs.In Sweden, where the sale of transgenic products is prohibited by law, only 7% of the population suffers from allergic diseases. In the United States, where GMO food is widely available, the number of allergy sufferers is 70%. If the attitude to GMO products in the EU itself is very cautious, then why is their use so imposed on Ukraine in the association agreement? Is it not in order to load European production capacities, supplying this dubious product to the Ukrainian market?
      Now, after all, too, is full of foreign shit with the letter "E" on the labels just like ours and you. Where did this letter denoting harmful food additives come from? All from the same place according to the same EUROPEAN STANDARDS that you so want. In 1953, in Europe, it was decided to replace the full names of chemical food additives with one letter with numerical codes, the index E (from Europe). The presence of a letter on the product label means that the Federation of European manufacturers of food additives and enzymes and the European Union have approved the use of this additive.
      If earlier Ukraine still had sovereign right decide which European standards to apply and which food additives to ban, then in accordance with the provisions of the association agreement, the country will required to automatically implement it has both current and future EU directives, including sanitary and phytosanitary regulations. In addition, Part 8 of Article 56 of the Treaty with the EU obliges Ukraine to abandon state standards, after which there will be no hope of finding a good old condensed milk or the “Doctor's” that has been familiar from childhood. How can you not recall Onishchenko with a kind word, which is probably the only one that resisted European dominance here. BUT WE HAVE A SOVEREIGN LAW TO decide which products can be imported and which cannot. They want to deprive Ukraine of this right for the sake of certain European standards.
      In EU countries that have long been massively sitting on these additives according to sanitary standards adopted in the EEC, you can dig a fresh grave in the place of the old one after 17 yearsand the leaders of large cemeteries in Paris, Milan, Hamburg, Cologne complain that they no longer have enough space for new burials. Because of the corpses buried over the past three decades have hardly decomposed.
      Unlike people, worms and putrefactive bacteria do not consume preservatives, that is, poisons, in fact, and do not want to join European values ​​in any way, unlike some Ukrainians.
    3. Akim
      Akim 27 November 2013 17: 50
      +1
      Quote: Ascetic
      For example, as far as I know in Ukraine, genetically modified foods are now banned,

      GMOs are allowed here. The labels say "Z GMO" or "No GMO".
    4. Ascetic
      Ascetic 27 November 2013 17: 53
      15
      Take for example meat products sausage and ham. In European varieties such as German sausage “Salami gourmet in green pepper”, Spanish ham “Jamon Serrano”, Czech salami “Duo”, Hungarian bacon “Delhush” and grilled sausages “Bratwurst” made in Austria contain preservatives (stabilizers)E250 (sodium nitrite) and E252 (potassium nitrate), as well as E508, E451, E452, E621. The first is a toxic substance. During heat treatment, sodium nitrite releases the carcinogen N-nitrosamine. Besides, prolonged use of foods containing sodium nitrite leads to bowel cancer and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.
      No less toxic and potassium nitrate. Its long-term effects, even in small amounts, can cause anemia and kidney disease. In general, the rest can also be read on the Internet. Now let's take our Soviet GOST for sausage, which operates in Russia and Ukraine. My friend works as the head of the Security Council at one of the sausage factories in Moscow, therefore, he enlightened on this issue. So, according to GOST 23670-79 per 100 kg of sausage, it is necessary: ​​premium quality beef - 25; semi-fat veined pork - 70; chicken eggs or melange - 3; whole or skimmed cow's milk powder - 2; spices and other materials, in grams (per 100 kg of unsalted raw materials): table salt - 2090; sodium nitrite - 7,1; granulated sugar or glucose - 200; nutmeg or ground cardamom - 50. So sodium nitrite is the only food additive in sausage that is considered harmful and then if it exceeds the norm for unscrupulous manufacturers. In Europe, this is E 250. In Europe, its norm is 0.6% of the total weight. It turns out, if I am not mistaken, per 100 kg accounted for by the European standards of 600 g according to our GOSTs SEVEN GRAM no more. In the absence of the above European preservatives.
      So it is not surprising that in Europe worms do not eat the dead.
    5. Akim
      Akim 27 November 2013 18: 13
      -1
      Quote: Ascetic
      So it is not surprising that in Europe worms do not eat the dead.

      You wrote so scientifically. Taking off my hat. Do you read all this in stores? Me not. Yes, and rarely stint there.
    6. Cat
      Cat 27 November 2013 18: 29
      +7
      Quote: Akim
      Quote: Ascetic
      So it is not surprising that in Europe worms do not eat the dead.

      You wrote so scientifically. Taking off my hat. Do you read all this in stores? Me not. Yes, and rarely stint there.

      If not in stores - in the market, then you are buying? And you are doing the right thing. And many do the same, due to their unwillingness to eat "plastic" grub from the supermarket. That's just - in the case of "euroassociation" - all this happiness will end happily, since according to their standards, household-grown products are suitable only for their own consumption. But to sell them - no way. And you, and me, and dofig someone else will have to eat that same plastic Mivina. Well, or read a similar one - different in appearance and price, but almost identical in composition.
    7. Akim
      Akim 27 November 2013 18: 42
      +1
      Quote: Cat
      And it will be necessary for you, and I, and even dofiga who, to eat that same plastic Mivina. Well, or something similar - different in appearance and price, but almost identical in composition.

      Not everything will be interpolated on us. In Poland, for example, there are bazaars, but not in Germany. National traits will not be etched.
    8. Cat
      Cat 27 November 2013 18: 56
      +8
      Quote: Akim
      Not everything will be interpolated on us. In Poland, for example, there are bazaars, but not in Germany. National traits will not be etched.

      but why did you decide so, somewhere in the conditions of the Agreement this is written? No? Why so?
      And the example of Poland is not an example at all, because the Poles did not sign any such association: they were immediately accepted into the EU, having forgiven in addition a bunch of debts and having pressed new ones, and after 3 years they were allowed to go to Schengen. And Ukraine does not even promise all this, either in three years or in ten. But the conditions are set - deputies in the parliament, poor ones, are tired of pushing buttons, the euro-integration laws are accepted.
      In general, I would advise you to be careful when telling "how it will be" in the case of an association.
    9. Akim
      Akim 27 November 2013 19: 06
      0
      The Poles had an association. In the early 90's. As for the agreement, it was probably not without reason that the government suspended it.
    10. Cat
      Cat 27 November 2013 22: 01
      +3
      Quote: Akim
      As for the agreement, it was probably not without reason that the government suspended it.

      the farther into the forest, the more it seems to me that this whole association is a vulgar circus, from beginning to end.
      Moreover, the main clowns in this circus are not Yanukovych, and certainly not Azarov, not to mention the maydan "opposition". The star of the program is the EU, or rather the helmsmen of this very EU.
      After all, if you look from the outside, it turns out to be complete nonsense: Europe, it seems, is terribly trying to shove Ukraine under its wing, because it is beneficial to Europe - both economically and geopolitically, and in general. But at the same time, conditions are being set for Ukraine, to which no self-respecting politician in life will subscribe. Yes, and disrespectful too, except with a big drink. And okay there are "Eurostandards" and "Eurozones", but here is the same Yulka, an unpredictable eccentric revolutionary - to whom and where did she run up in Europe? Or when Onishchenko showed a hefty fig to Ukrainian confectioners, and the GDP clearly made it clear that this fig is far from the only one in the Russian Federation - in Europe, at least somehow Yanyk's comrades tried to calm him down, at least they promised him something? Hell no. Yes, the young European mongrels, such as pribals with the clever ones, shouted at the couples about "imperial manners", the free democratic press also twitched slightly against the wind ... but the "big" European uncles and Euroteti somehow gave a damn about what was happening. On the contrary, they recalled the fundamental conditions of the IMF, the adoption of which is also, with a high probability, fraught with the loss of the next elections for our powers that be.
      In general, everything that is happening - even from a distance, does not remind the EU's desire to separate Ukraine into an "association agreement". On the contrary, it is very reminiscent of an attempt to avoid this agreement - but that Yanukovych, or Putin, or John Paul II (now deceased), or anyone else, but by no means the EU, should be considered guilty (at least officially).

      And here the question arises: to whom is it profitable, such is the cunning behavior of the Euro-leading comrades? And most importantly - who has enough influence (or compromising evidence) on these same comrades to make them work as clowns?
      There are not many options for answering this question. Rather, there are only two of them. One is black, the other is white.
      And personally, I would be more satisfied with the "white" option =) At least - he has many different plans for Ukraine, albeit not always unambiguously good and comfortable, but nevertheless. In contrast to the "black" option - which views Ukraine exclusively as a platform for another missile defense belt.
    11. ytqnhfk
      ytqnhfk 28 November 2013 05: 14
      +1
      Well, here is the cat you came along a logical glide path to the landing The EU "buys" these lands for a pro belt! Where will the blow be if something is brewed? the bases are correct and the bases where it is correct (Poland Bulgaria Georgia and so on) Well, in peacetime, the sales market and slaves, everything is just offensely true for the EU !!!!
  • O_RUS
    O_RUS 29 November 2013 13: 13
    0
    Quote: Akim
    Not everything will be interpolated on us. In Poland, for example, there are bazaars, but not in Germany. National traits will not be etched.


    and for what purpose did you come to Ukraine? For lard?
    If you search - you can find a great fat ... yes buy vodka.

    Have a nice trip home!
  • Ascetic
    Ascetic 27 November 2013 20: 16
    +5
    Quote: Cat
    all this happiness will end happily, because according to their standards, products grown in the household are suitable only for their own use.

    I talked with the Uebeks. I don’t know the truth or not. Only they are forbidden to export their vegetables and fruits to private traders abroad as was the case with the Union. Everything is selected. Only through wholesalers who carry wagons and wagons to the same wholesale bases in Biryulyovo or Khlebnikovo. Not only is there a wholesale wrap, they will probably use preservatives for better safety.
  • Apollo
    Apollo 27 November 2013 20: 22
    +3
    Quote: Ascetic
    I talked with the Uebeks. I don’t know the truth or not. Only they are forbidden to export their vegetables and fruits to private traders abroad as was the case with the Union. All is taken away.


    That's right, the same is with us. You see the monopoly, and not only export but also import. am This is not bigwigs, these are bandits from the high road. Good evening Stanislav. hi
  • Ascetic
    Ascetic 27 November 2013 22: 19
    +4
    Quote: Apollon
    That's right, we have the same thing. You see the monopoly, and n


    I remember the Soviet-era train No. 5 Baku-Moscow. The peasants cooperated and brought vegetables, fruits and flowers to markets in Moscow. Moreover, on the collective farm markets you simply had a place to get the paper that the product was checked by the SES and the receipt for paying for the place and trade calmly because private owners under Brezhnev were not pressed by checks and bandits with monopolists-dealers did not run into it. And the wholesale bases were state-owned. When, before the Moscow Olympics, private traders were allowed to sell their fruit and vegetables on the markets themselves because they were a slow-moving state trade with shadow deficit-forming schemes of its self-serving leaders and shadow workers, in a short time private traders mostly Uzbeks and Azerbaijanis were able to practically cover the entire shortage of fruits and vegetables. And now, solid Turkey ,and
    Spain and
    Israel. Although all experts unanimously say that the Turkish niche could well replace Uzbekistan with
    Azerbaijan.
    Natalya Rogova, Director General of the Russian Greenhouses Association, is convinced that there will be no shortage of vegetables on the Russian market due to the ban on the import of tomatoes from Turkey, Rossiyskaya Gazeta reports.
    “Deliveries from Azerbaijan and Uzbekistan will occupy the Turkish niche. And their products differ little in price, ”the expert from the WG quotes.
    Rogova said that in June, 45 percent of greenhouse vegetables came from Russian producers, the rest was imports. And Turkey is quite a serious player in our market: for example, the main deliveries of tomatoes come from Turkey and Spain. For comparison: in Turkey - 35 thousand hectares of greenhouses, in Spain - 45 thousand, and in Russia - 2 thousand hectares. But Natalya Rogova is convinced that there will be no shortage in the Russian market.
  • ytqnhfk
    ytqnhfk 28 November 2013 18: 32
    0
    get acquainted with the state regulation of prices locally (so that they don’t give in at a cheap price and plus the fat in your pocket)!
  • rolik
    rolik 27 November 2013 23: 59
    +3
    Quote: Cat
    And it will be necessary for you, and I, and even dofiga who, to eat that same plastic Mivina. Well, or something similar - different in appearance and price, but almost identical in composition.

    I want to upset. All processed meat that is sold in stores, and markets and branded butcher's shops, has been syringed. This applies to all kinds of carbonates, necks, hams and more. Everything, absolutely everything, is sprayed. Believe me, my friends sold a business for the production of just such meat products. So many times I was treated to a real ham, shredder, the taste and texture, compared to the shops and markets, is completely different. I was also present at the production of these very goodies going to the shops. a piece of meat is pumped with a special liquid, as a result, its weight increases by 25%, then put the meat in a massager, then in a smokehouse and .... voila, ready, eat it.
  • Cat
    Cat 28 November 2013 00: 22
    +1
    Quote: rolik
    I want to upset. All processed meat that is sold in stores, and markets and branded butcher's shops, has been syringed. This applies to all kinds of carbonates, necks, hams and more. Everything, absolutely everything, is sprayed. Believe me, my friends sold a business for the production of just such meat products. So many times I was treated to a real ham, shredder, the taste and texture, compared to the shops and markets, is completely different. I was also present at the production of these very goodies going to the shops. a piece of meat is pumped with a special liquid, as a result, its weight increases by 25%, then put the meat in a massager, then in a smokehouse and .... voila, ready, eat it.

    um ... let me ask you: why are you telling me all this? I, in fact, grew up in a village, so I saw a pig and a cow not only in the picture, but also alive =) And what is "svizhina" (xs how it will be in Russian), and how it tastes different from shop meat - I remember very well =) And also with my mother's father, he rest in peace, he had a smokehouse - he did not smoke for sale, for himself mostly, he just loved this business and had a talent for it. As I remember my grandfather's balyk-sausages - mmm ... drooling and flowing.
    As for "food from the supermarket" - it is not necessary to know all these tricky technological gadgets, you just need to look at the price. In the sense that if the price of a meat product, taking into account the numerous markups, markups, does not differ too much from the price of fresh meat, then what? This means that there is not much meat in this "product" and there is not much meat (if it is there at all). And that's why I buy a store-bought shredded sausage only when I really want to eat, and there is no bazaar with a homemade product in the vicinity. Something like this =)
  • rolik
    rolik 28 November 2013 11: 46
    0
    Quote: Cat
    um ... let me ask: why are you telling me all this?

    I tell you? Not for you at all. Just supplemented the info that I have, your comment. I, too, was born in a working village at a sawmill, and I saw live cows and horses, and pigs, On the back of this living creature was in bulk. My grandmother treated for ailments with real goat milk and real (from her garden) potatoes in real Vologda oil. Thanks to this, I turned from a squabble into a healthy and smart uncle)))) I also remember, during the time of the Union, the Chukchi deer drove 25 l / s of deer, slaughtered and sold fresh meat. Well, the fish, respectively, only caught navaga, salmon, cod, smelt (whoever ate it will never forget the smell of fresh cucumber good ) Blue whiting and capelin were generally considered weedy fish; they went to feed dogs and cats; people did not eat them. So that you are not the only one living animals saw and these products were eaten))))
  • regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 28 November 2013 04: 05
    +2
    Ascetic
    Now, after all, too, is full of foreign shit with the letter "E" on the labels, just like ours and you. Where did this letter denoting harmful food additives come from? Everything from there according to the same EUROPEAN STANDARDS


    damn here I agree with you all 201%
    it scares me the most
    After all, how do these products affect the next generation?
    for example, mice stop reproducing by consuming genetic engineering products (he personally conducted an experiment)
    this is a huge danger especially for
    sparsely populated huge Russia
    in Belarus, too, products with all sorts of E began to appear, and so on, now you also have to watch what you buy.
    but all the same, high-quality products still prevail on the shelves in the Republic of Belarus and this is still pleasing, although young people tend to pay no attention, which is cheaper
  • uizik
    uizik 27 November 2013 19: 16
    +6
    Naivety and not knowledge of the realities of the Gayropeyskoy life! They trade there without hitting and not any GOSTs. You will eat without knowing what. The legislation written by the Venetian Commission is already corrupting law enforcement agencies from within. The impression is that Geyropa conducts experiments on us.
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  • rolik
    rolik 27 November 2013 16: 57
    +3
    Quote: Akim
    And I do not want to. I am for the association, but against the European Union.

    You, it seems, more recently, were you for joining the EU ???))))
    1. Akim
      Akim 27 November 2013 17: 17
      +1
      Quote: rolik
      most recently, for joining the EU were ???

      Never been. And Ukraine’s accession to the EU threatens at least 15 years later.
  • rolik
    rolik 27 November 2013 16: 58
    +3
    Quote: Egoza
    Oh, how did the propaganda work right away!

    It's like in a joke))))):
    - Do you speak ingish ???? EU ???
    - Toda, turn !!!
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 09: 28
    +5
    Quote: Orel
    It’s pointless to build an alliance with countries that don’t want this, and a large part of the population is stupefied with eurotum,

    I do not understand, are you talking about Moldova now? If so, then I did not see that there would be a majority for the EU.
    1. Orel
      Orel 27 November 2013 10: 29
      +1
      I do not understand, are you talking about Moldova now?


      No, about Ukraine
      1. gorgo
        gorgo 27 November 2013 18: 34
        +3
        So in Ukraine, too, far from the majority of the EU? Well, why then write this?
        1. 31231
          31231 27 November 2013 19: 32
          +5
          Are you still sure that the majority is against association with the EU?
          If you take the working part of the population, then probably yes. But where to put the youth who do not even understand the extent of the involvement of economic relations with the Russian Federation? If there were so many votes for Yushch, then what can we say about association with the EU.
          1. yur
            yur 27 November 2013 21: 27
            +2
            Well, young people need to be explained about the volume of economic relations with the Russian Federation and to show on their fingers that they will not have money not only for a new smartphone, but also for a bottle of Obolon.
            1. 31231
              31231 27 November 2013 21: 48
              +1
              And who should do it? Ukrainian government or Kremlin "propaganda"?
  • Liss.
    Liss. 27 November 2013 10: 25
    14
    Quote: Orel
    And I’m sure that Putin didn’t do anything special for this.

    Right, I agree!
    In general, Putin on the foreign political platform is just a song! Strategist, pragmatist, debater, partly, showman.
    The policy of soft power is his hobby.

    That would be in domestic affairs SO!
    To clean the royal suite, to use its super-power against industrial stagnation and food dependence.
    After all, he could well then become a nominee for the "Name of Russia" competition.
    Somehow modest ...
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 27 November 2013 22: 09
      +1
      Quote: Liss.
      To clean the royal suite, to use its super-power against industrial stagnation and food dependence.

      Why clean it? The entourage does what they say to her, carrying out unpopular decisions, while the image of the president remains untainted. A particularly striking example is Serdyukov.
  • Fin
    Fin 27 November 2013 10: 00
    +9
    Quote: bomg.77
    This is no longer boxing, this is, in my opinion, pure time "but (Putin as Europe's rapist)

    Yes .., over the past six months of GDP, many pieces of meat from the mouth of the Anglo-Saxons pulled. We are waiting for new nasty things and villains.
  • domokl
    domokl 27 November 2013 09: 00
    +8
    Quote: rrrd
    I think so too!

    Of course, to think of the lot of the thinking ... But the question arises, why do the Ukrainian people in general belong to the EU? I don’t really believe that everyone who is on the Maidan now. There are ideological opponents of the CU.
    And this means that everything will become clear only at the end of the summit. We celebrate the victory without having yet won. Or share the skin of an unkilled bear ... As you can understand.
    I think now the Cabinet and the President of Ukraine are under tremendous pressure and temptation from both the EU and Russia. Everyone offers something. And it is not known whether they will stand up.
    1. Orel
      Orel 27 November 2013 09: 07
      +6
      I think now the Cabinet and the President of Ukraine are under tremendous pressure and temptation from both the EU and Russia.


      Accept Ukraine in the vehicle is possible only in one case. If the majority of the people of Ukraine want this, and most importantly, SOMETHING WILL DO FOR THIS, so far only the Euro-Maidan can be seen ... Why then should we drag Ukraine to us? Anyway, he will run away in the end ...
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 27 November 2013 09: 10
        +6
        Quote: Orel
        So far, only EuroMaid are visible.

        So those who are behind the vehicle simply do not show! And they do not give a referendum! am
        1. Orel
          Orel 27 November 2013 10: 35
          0
          So those who are behind the vehicle simply do not show! And they do not give a referendum


          Then let them seize some TV channel or disperse these Euromaidans themselves. By the way, overclocking of Euromaidans by TS supporters is a more preferable option, but for some reason it doesn’t happen, but they wouldn’t hide it ...
          1. revnagan
            revnagan 27 November 2013 14: 26
            +5
            Quote: Orel
            Then let them seize some TV channel or disperse these Euromaidans themselves. By the way, overclocking of Euromaidans by TS supporters is a more preferable option, but for some reason it doesn’t happen, but they wouldn’t hide it ...

            Yeah, smart, what ... Supporters of the TS what, free travel to Kiev? Supporters of the EU are taken there and financed. We have not allocated 610 million green for the State Department, why should they go, eat, live with their families?
        2. Akim
          Akim 27 November 2013 10: 52
          -8
          Quote: Egoza
          And they do not give a referendum!

          And if you play?
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 27 November 2013 10: 57
            10
            Quote: Akim
            Quote: Egoza
            And they do not give a referendum!

            And if you play?


            It is doubtful, because otherwise, they would have long held and added% of votes in favor of the EU. BUT in any case, the referendum will show that Ukraine is at least two, and the attempts of all the folders resemble the twitching of impotent.
            1. Akim
              Akim 27 November 2013 11: 20
              +2
              Quote: Hudo
              BUT in any case, the referendum will show that Ukraine is at least two, and the attempts of all the folders resemble the twitching of impotent.

              So start the communists with the opposition referendum. After all, Ukraine now does not enter anywhere and does not sign anything.
              I personally will vote against both there and there.
              1. Hudo
                Hudo 27 November 2013 11: 28
                +5
                Quote: Akim
                Ukraine is not entering now and is not signing anything.
                I personally will vote against both there and there.

                In other words, you are a supporter of the continuation of the agonizing agony of the country 404. However, you are humanist!
                1. Akim
                  Akim 27 November 2013 11: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: Hudo
                  You are a supporter of the continuation of the agonizing agony of the country 404. However, you are humanist!

                  Again. I am a supporter of the signing of the association. Not today. So that Ukraine becomes a European state in terms of performance characteristics, without joining the European Union.
                  1. Hudo
                    Hudo 27 November 2013 11: 51
                    +4
                    Quote: Akim
                    So that Ukraine becomes a European state in terms of performance characteristics, without joining the European Union.


                    Do you really think that a stillborn formation can not only endure anything, but also give birth? Yes, you are just fantastic! Not just a science fiction, but Bradbury Zhulvernovich Sheckley! laughing
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 27 November 2013 11: 57
                      +1
                      Quote: Hudo

                      You really think that a stillborn entity

                      But the comments.
                    2. Hudo
                      Hudo 27 November 2013 12: 03
                      +5
                      Quote: Akim
                      Quote: Hudo

                      You really think that a stillborn entity

                      But the comments.


                      Estessno But komentsarguing with the obvious is like peeing against the wind.
                    3. Akim
                      Akim 27 November 2013 12: 11
                      +1
                      Quote: Hudo
                      arguing with the obvious is like peeing against the wind.

                      Not because. How to say, so as not to offend ... We must be able to live, and not yearn for the past.
                    4. Hudo
                      Hudo 27 November 2013 12: 40
                      +5
                      Quote: Akim
                      We must be able to live, and not yearn for the past.


                      You are really misunderstanding something! Personally, it bothers me that personally I live a little better than a significant part of the people around me, because in the case of a mess, I have a real chance of losing what I earned with my head and hands, and I have no other. I want to see as few envious neighbors as possible - it's easier to live like this. I see a solution to the problem in giving people the opportunity to earn a decent living. And your europragnennya (European aspirations Malorossiysk.) go categorically against this.
                    5. Akim
                      Akim 27 November 2013 12: 58
                      +2
                      Quote: Hudo
                      I want to see as few envious neighbors as possible - it's easier to live like this

                      This will never happen. Our people have such a character. My relatives left a house in one village as an inheritance. I wanted to cooperate there next to something. Knowledgeable people said. "Not stit. They will burn." Envious people have always been, are and will be. I remember my grandfather and his envious neighbors.
                    6. alex13-61
                      alex13-61 27 November 2013 14: 59
                      +2
                      Quote: Akim
                      The nature of our people is this.

                      I recalled an old joke on this subject: a person goes to hell and observes a picture: three cauldrons with sinners. Around the first - a dense ring of devils, as a guard, around the second - one devil walks slowly, near the third - no one is seen ... He wonders why this is so: they answer in the first - the Jews, if one gets out, he will pull out all the others ; in the second - Russians, these will not be planted, but will not interfere; in the third - Ukrainians, these, if anyone tries to get out, they themselves will be pulled by the leg.
                    7. Akim
                      Akim 27 November 2013 16: 14
                      +2
                      Quote: alex13-61
                      in the third - Ukrainians, these, if anyone tries to get out, they themselves will be pulled by the leg.

                      Well, something like that. Although this is determined not by nationality, but by place of residence.
                  2. Setrac
                    Setrac 27 November 2013 22: 12
                    0
                    Quote: Akim
                    This will never happen. The nature of our people is this.

                    Grenades of the wrong system.
                  3. Akim
                    Akim 27 November 2013 23: 12
                    0
                    Quote: Setrac
                    Grenades of the wrong system

                    Quite possibly.
              2. Cristall
                Cristall 27 November 2013 20: 49
                -2
                Not "Little Russian, but Ukrainian."
                Please do not stoop to insults to distortions and other things in a normal dialogue! Disrespect for the interlocutor and his country is not self-respect!
                Regarding Little Russia and Novorossiya - do not use these names, now is the 21st century. We do not want to use the terms "Muscovy" to assert imaginary superiority.
                Do not deprive us of a normal dialogue with respect for each other.
              3. svp67
                svp67 27 November 2013 20: 53
                +4
                Quote: Cristall
                About Little Russia

                The question is, how do you feel about the concept of "Small Homeland" and "Homeland". Do you understand the difference?
              4. Egoza
                Egoza 27 November 2013 21: 03
                +5
                Quote: Cristall
                Regarding Little Russia and New Russia - do not use these names - now is the 21st century

                Yeah? but in Greece they do not hesitate to say "Little Greece" - Athens, Great Greece - Hellas! And they also seem to be in Europe in the 21st century! hi
              5. svp67
                svp67 27 November 2013 23: 41
                +4
                Quote: Egoza
                but in Greece they do not hesitate to say "Little Greece" - Athens, Great Greece - Hellas! And they also seem to be in Europe in the 21st century!

                Right. There is "Little Russia" and this is not all of Ukraine, but only a part of it ...
                For the first time, the term “Small Russia” was used in Byzantium at the beginning of the 1303th century to define modern Western Ukrainian lands in church-administrative practice. The Galician Metropolis, created in 1354, covered six dioceses: the Galician, Przemysl, Vladimir-Volyn, Kholm, Lutsk and Turov (that is, also part of the territory of modern Belarus), which in Byzantine sources were called Little Russia (Greek Μικρά Ῥω Mikrá Rhōsía) in contrast to Great Russia (Μεγάλη Ῥωσία - Megálē Rhōsía), which from 19 was understood to be the territory of 6 dioceses under the rule of the Kiev Metropolitan, whose residence (“seat”) [1299] was from 1300–1325 in Vladimir on and from 1461-XNUMX in Moscow
                .
            2. Vasek
              Vasek 28 November 2013 01: 48
              +1
              And "yuzat" is "Little Russian." or "Ukrainian"?
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 12: 16
    +6
    Quote: Akim
    . So that Ukraine becomes a European state in terms of performance characteristics, without joining the European Union.

    This is an economic disaster for Ukraine!
  • Orik
    Orik 27 November 2013 12: 42
    +7
    Explain in detail why you cannot become a "European state in terms of performance characteristics" without an association. Nobody will do it for you! Or they will do it for themselves on the territory of Ukraine, but not for you !!!!
    1. Akim
      Akim 27 November 2013 13: 00
      +1
      Quote: Orik
      without an association, you cannot become a "European state in terms of performance characteristics".

      This is a kind of control, and so will the empty declarations of officials.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 13: 27
      +6
      Quote: Akim

      This is a kind of control

      And who will control whom? European officials your government ???? Well, damn it ... I have no choice but to congratulate on the independence wassat
    3. Akim
      Akim 27 November 2013 13: 44
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      And who will control whom? European officials your government ???

      Sasha, you describe it all primitively. I do not want to waste time deploying.
    4. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 13: 52
      +2
      Quote: Akim
      . I do not want to waste time deploying.

      And how else to control, although I understand, you yourself do not understand this.
    5. Akim
      Akim 27 November 2013 13: 59
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      And how else to control

      An influx of investment.
    6. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 14: 19
      +4
      Quote: Akim
      An influx of investment.

      Who will invest in a country facing default? At least one investor has appeared so that you can count on this?
    7. Akim
      Akim 27 November 2013 14: 31
      +2
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Who will invest in a country facing default?

      Here you are arguing about NOW. I’m talking about later life. Default, even if God forbid it will be, this is not the end. It's just that Russia, and indeed everyone else, will be given money away.
    8. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 14: 39
      0
      Quote: Akim
      I’m talking about later life.

      To speak for further life, you need to have an understanding of what will happen tomorrow, and you have only one assumption.
      Quote: Akim
      It's just that Russia, and indeed everyone else, will be given money away.

      Hoho, who needs bonds or something will be pledged under them? Given the debts of Ukraine, Ukraine itself will have to be mortgaged hi
    9. Akim
      Akim 27 November 2013 14: 42
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Given the debts of Ukraine, Ukraine itself will have to be mortgaged

      Russia survived the default did not die. On the contrary, it has reset all debts. It became easier to breathe.
    10. Orik
      Orik 27 November 2013 15: 54
      +4
      Do not write nonsense, simply paid the debts later, and for non-payment from us they demanded concessions in other areas.
    11. Akim
      Akim 27 November 2013 16: 17
      +1
      Quote: Orik
      growth of debts paid later

      Brains air. And what is a bond? The same deferred debt receipt, only there is practically no interest on it.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 27 November 2013 22: 17
    +3
    Quote: Akim
    It's just that Russia, and indeed everyone else, will be given money away.

    Ayayay! You are a huge plus. What are your stylish, beautiful, pink, glasses. But who needs your bonds.
  • builder
    builder 27 November 2013 23: 08
    +4

    Quote: Setrac
    But who needs your bonds.
  • Akim
    Akim 27 November 2013 23: 13
    +2
    Quote: Setrac
    But who needs your bonds.

    There will probably be a choice of either them or a donut hole ..
  • Setrac
    Setrac 27 November 2013 23: 22
    +3
    Quote: Akim
    There will probably be a choice of either them or a donut hole ..

    Ukraine is too weak to push such a proposal.
  • Akim
    Akim 27 November 2013 23: 44
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    Ukraine is too weak to push such a proposal.

    We will see. Neither I, nor you looked into the official moshna.
  • seller trucks
    seller trucks 27 November 2013 13: 08
    +8
    Quote: Akim
    Again. I am a supporter of the signing of the association.


    not all like you, ideological:







    http://vk.com/wall-36575895

    http://news.meta.ua/cluster:33068651-Neizvestnye-predlagaiut-po-100-griven-za-uc

    hastie-v-massovke-na-Maidane /
    1. Akim
      Akim 27 November 2013 13: 31
      +4
      Quote: seller trucks
      not all like you, ideological:

      Of course there are different people. But there is also an idea. I have familiar students who went from Odessa to Kiev to the student Maidan. They asked to give the addresses of acquaintances, so that they could spend the night there. I did not give. Offended, but let's go. Then he called and agreed. Where am I going to throw the women.
    2. seller trucks
      seller trucks 27 November 2013 13: 43
      +4
      Quote: Akim
      Of course there are different people. But there is also an idea. I have familiar students from Odessa


      You and Odessa students - I'm in shock belay . You tell me what, why in various Ukrainian regions of the Association’s supporters there are no more than a few dozen, some kind of flash mobs? Isn’t it because people rush to Kiev just to earn extra money.
    3. Akim
      Akim 27 November 2013 14: 03
      +3
      Quote: seller trucks
      Isn’t it because people rush to Kiev just to earn extra money.

      Well that's not true. A trip to Kiev, accommodation, meals there, even a simple trip with a toilet, costs money. It will not beat off in 100-200 hryvnias.
      It’s just that people think that they will change something. Fools and silly women.
    4. Hudo
      Hudo 27 November 2013 14: 30
      +2
      Quote: Akim
      there, even a simple hike with a toilet, costs money.


      In completeness, when did these farm Caucasoids go to the paid toilet? Since 2004, racially correct europases and other cretino maydaunaty, to the delight of Kievans, have been shitting in the porches and front doors, and to the ignorant guest of Kiev it is easy to find a maydaun where the paid soap is raging easy - by the steady smell of urine and feces.
    5. seller trucks
      seller trucks 27 November 2013 15: 11
      +3
      Yes, I generally mean that the movement for integration with the EU in the regions failed, and Kiev is like that, for the second time, and by the way I don’t think that Doshirak in Ukraine is expensive, man, such, quickly gets used to everything.
    6. Akim
      Akim 27 November 2013 16: 22
      +1
      Quote: seller trucks
      and by the way I don’t think that Doshirak in Ukraine is expensive, a person, such, quickly gets used to everything

      We have it "Mivina". If you want to earn gastritis, eat a portion for breakfast every day.
      Both Maidan failed both in opposition and in power. Only the student movement is alive. It is promoted by dull television channels, the opposition is trying to smear it.
    7. Hudo
      Hudo 27 November 2013 16: 36
      +3
      Quote: Akim
      Only the student movement is alive

      What the hell is that movement. A herd of juvenile exiles who only occupy places in universities instead of normal ones. Estimates in the test books for these lovers are likely to be set up for free slogans. Above is a link to a live broadcast, it can be seen that the city has lived its own life, and still lives, mankurts themselves. student movement, damn it, you need to learn, and not to earn for a hundred hryvnias for powder beer.
    8. Akim
      Akim 27 November 2013 16: 51
      0
      Quote: Hudo
      A herd of juvenile sissyons who only occupy places in universities instead of normal

      And who is normal? Only the one who specifically supports your opinion?
      I did not communicate with Dad for a long time precisely because of this.
    9. Hudo
      Hudo 27 November 2013 16: 57
      +2
      Quote: Akim
      And who is normal? Only the one who specifically supports your opinion?


      It is strange that you need to interpret common truths - a NORMAL student, this is the one who first of all studies, acquires knowledge in the chosen specialty, and does not occupy someone else's place in the university. Why the hell do you need a doctor, a teacher, an engineer who knows nothing at all in the specialty, but he knows how to scream vile slogans for money.
    10. Akim
      Akim 27 November 2013 17: 21
      0
      Quote: Hudo
      A NORMAL student is one who first of all learns, acquires knowledge in the chosen specialty,

      It’s normal who lives and knows everything normally, and not like a certain lieutenant-ravist who knows all the riddles he knows a single answer AUTOMATIC.
    11. Hudo
      Hudo 27 November 2013 17: 39
      +3
      Some kind of a set of irreverent words. "learns", "lieutenant-ravist", "riddles", "AUTOMATIC" - what are you talking about? You are not, I read your comments. You simply do not have an answer to the question, you have nothing to cover.
      What can a fool who does not want to study, but wants to wander around paid parties as biomass, can "learn"? What questions can an ignoramus be asked if he is not able to comprehend them, in order to find the answer, even to Wikipedia.
      This is not the answer, it's just some kind of tweaks and jumps.
    12. Akim
      Akim 27 November 2013 18: 06
      +1
      Quote: Hudo
      Some kind of a set of irreverent words. "learns", "lieutenant-ravist", "riddles", "AUTOMATIC"

      Good. I thought, since you are a military man, you know this old military joke.
      Coupe. Two are riding in it. A girl and a lieutenant-rabist following the school to the duty station.
      Hour, second, third, he stupidly sits silent.
      The girl suffered, but silence depressed.
      “Let’s solve the riddles,” she suggested.
      -Let's.
      - The girl is in prison, and the scythe is on the street.
      -Automatic - the rally was followed by an answer.
      - Well, what kind of machine is this, it's a carrot!
      -Ah, yes, definitely carrots
      -Without windows without doors, a room full of people.
      -Machine!
      -Well, what kind of machine is a cucumber
      -Ah, yes, for sure.
      - Well, quite simple, without associations. Sits in a swamp green and croaks.
      Five minutes of silence. Girl can't stand it
      -This is a frog !!!
      - Damn, but I still think that the machine in the swamp does)))

      So I would not want to. so that our students are such nerds. If he has a desire to get only a crust, he will buy a session.
    13. Hudo
      Hudo 27 November 2013 19: 11
      +2
      Quote: Akim
      Good. I thought, since you are a military man, you know this old military joke.

      Your attempts to expose a paid gathering of ignorant-marginals, called by you "students", as a model is the most that neither is an anecdote.
    14. Akim
      Akim 27 November 2013 19: 18
      0
      Quote: Hudo
      plate gathering of ignorant-marginalized, called by you "students", to exhibit as a sample and

      Sorry, but I don’t even want to comment on such nonsense.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 27 November 2013 22: 21
    +3
    Quote: Akim
    So I would not want to. so that our students are such nerds. If he has a desire to get only a crust, he will buy a session.

    Nerds are those who study, instead of paying you for grades?
  • Akim
    Akim 27 November 2013 23: 37
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    Nerds are those who study, instead of paying you for grades?


    These are those who simply and stupidly studied. There are such. As Makarevich said, "Life is like fruit kefir."
  • Setrac
    Setrac 27 November 2013 23: 52
    +3
    Quote: Akim
    These are those who simply and stupidly studied. There are such. As Makarevich said, "Life is like fruit kefir."

    And to hold a meeting for money is the very "fruit kefir" from the song. Lie under the one who pays the most, that's your students' plan! And where is the struggle, "where is every day the last of the days"?
  • Akim
    Akim 28 November 2013 00: 10
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    And to hold a meeting for money is the very "fruit kefir"

    There are different. Someone for the money someone for the idea you think this is wrong, I think this is wrong, they are the other way around. And their opinion must be respected.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 28 November 2013 00: 20
    +3
    Quote: Akim
    And their opinion must be respected.

    This is a delusion, respect must be earned, no one is going to be respected "for NECESSARY" and no one will force me. What kind of LGBT rhetoric? Dear, are you at the wrong hour? I apologize in advance for the question!
    Quote: Akim
    Someone for the money, someone for the idea

    I’ll clarify that supporters of the association are for money, and opponents for the idea, but no one speaks for them without money in the media.
  • Akim
    Akim 28 November 2013 06: 25
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    I’ll clarify that supporters of the association are for money, and opponents for the idea, but no one speaks for them without money in the media.

    Yeah. Each side has its own truth.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 28 November 2013 19: 41
    0
    Quote: Akim
    Yeah. Each side has its own truth.

    Well, again, you say the cliches. This is not true, though it is one for all, there are always right-wingers and those who do not want to admit their wrongfulness, they have invented that each type has its own truth.
  • Akim
    Akim 28 November 2013 20: 52
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    True, it is one for all, there are always right-wingers and those who don’t want to admit their wrongfulness, they came up with the idea that everyone has their own truth.

    How many times have I encountered this?
    The truth is determined by the laws of the majority, which means it is subjective. The memorable anniversary of the Holodomor has recently passed. I can deny the issue of genocide, someone will persistently prove the opposite. After 20 years, this will be considered true.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 28 November 2013 21: 17
    0
    Quote: Akim
    The truth is determined by the laws of the majority, which means it is subjective. The memorable anniversary of the Holodomor has recently passed. I can deny the issue of genocide, someone will persistently prove the opposite. After 20 years, this will be considered true.

    Truth is not determined by voting, and to be considered truth does not mean to be truth.
  • Akim
    Akim 28 November 2013 21: 38
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    and to be considered true does not mean to be true.

    And who determines this?
  • Setrac
    Setrac 28 November 2013 22: 24
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    And who determines this?

    It does not matter, the truth does not depend on the attitude of people towards it, and what they determine is not true, but an opinion that can be either true or false.
  • Akim
    Akim 28 November 2013 22: 50
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    , the truth does not depend on the attitude of people to her


    Communism is also the most perfect form of the political system ... but only in theory. Implementation of its transition is subject to people who are subjective in nature. That’s true. The truth is what is considered true today.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 28 November 2013 22: 54
    0
    Quote: Akim
    That’s true. The truth is what is considered true today.

    The truth does not depend on the subjectivity of people, but what today is considered to be true may well not be one, these are people's delusions, which have no effect on the truth.
    Do you teach your students this? How to pretend to be a lie?
  • Akim
    Akim 28 November 2013 23: 13
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    Do you teach your students this? How to pretend to be a lie?

    And that too. After all, you need to be able to distinguish between a temporary truth, from the one that was established earlier ..
    All these are beautiful words about the true truth, but there is none. Each society has its own morality, respectively, and the truth. This is a philosophical question that can plunge us into long hours of controversy and still remain in our positions.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 28 November 2013 23: 27
    0
    Quote: Akim
    All these are beautiful words about the true truth, but there is none.

    There really is! The Americans sent mercenary assassins to Syria, what is the truth behind them? There is no truth behind Assad. And the American "own truth" is actually a lie.
  • Akim
    Akim 28 November 2013 23: 46
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    from the Americans sent the killer mercenaries to Syria, what's the truth behind them? No truth behind Assad

    Personally, I support Assad, but says that the one who is guilty is right - not my competence. What we want to hear is shoved into our brains, which is why the effect of subjectivity on a massive scale is created.
  • Cat
    Cat 28 November 2013 00: 36
    +3
    Quote: Akim
    There are different. Someone for the money someone for the idea you think this is wrong, I think this is wrong, they are the other way around. And their opinion must be respected.

    Akim, what kind of thing can it be? idea from students? That is, the well-known idea: "for any kipish, except hunger strike" - just what does it have to do with the life of the country in general, and politics with the economy in particular?
    This is later, when these students try to look like work, when when calculating their own budget, prices for food and a communal apartment (and not for cocktails in a nightclub) will be taken into account in the first place - then it will already be possible to talk about ideology. But not before.
  • builder
    builder 28 November 2013 00: 47
    +2
    At one time, they studied Lenin's "April theses". There is clearly written about the youth and the revolution.
  • Walker1975
    Walker1975 27 November 2013 19: 27
    -6
    Here the last worshipers of Stalin will die out, and these young people will go to Europe, even if you monitor your monitor with anger. And if he screams out loud on Russian channels, then after Europe Ukraine will go to NATO. The fact that you do not have respect for your neighbor and interlocutor is your biggest psychological defect.
  • Hudo
    Hudo 27 November 2013 19: 40
    +5
    Quote: Walker1975
    Here are the last worshipers to die for Stalin

    You do not have enough of those people whom you have starved out of season. It was 1991 in 52 !!! million, but less than 45 million are left according to false tightly official statistics, but there are no real numbers, the authorities are afraid of censuses like hell. But on consumption of table salt per capita - it turns out a little more than 30 million. And you still need to kill someone to shine the crooked and crumbly Galician happiness - to hell with you, excuse me, but it's much easier to outweigh all Svidomites by telegraph pillars because those
    Quote: Walker1975
    last worshipers on Stalin
    not the last on your list of potential victims.
  • 31231
    31231 27 November 2013 20: 09
    +4
    It was 1991 in 52 !!! million, and according to false official statistics, less than 45 million remained,


    Will come "panuvanie" with the EU a couple more Lyamas will run away to more profitable countries.
  • Orik
    Orik 27 November 2013 20: 03
    +3
    Here the last worshipers of Stalin will die out, and these young people will go to Europe, even if you monitor your monitor with anger.

    laughing laughing laughing Will Europe and NATO then? Great question. Who will survive the global storm is not yet known.
  • Cristall
    Cristall 27 November 2013 21: 47
    +1
    And the man is right. How many wrote that even ardent admirers and sober heads, people who are connected with Russia, this or that bond, born in the USSR, all these categories, the attitude, statements, disrespect and others cooled. It is difficult to think when all people are rowed under one comb (both zapadents and Odessa) and then with a smile they say that we all addressed not to you, but to one way or another. I remind you once again that the main visitors from Ukraine to VO_ are either supporters of the CU or good relations with Russia, who adequately perceive both criticism (if it is adequate) and support.
    There are few Zapadentsevs, but all that you address them falls precisely in the ears of the part about which it is written above.
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  • yur
    yur 27 November 2013 22: 24
    +3
    At a press conference, Putin said: "We are not against the movement of Ukraine to Europe, if only NATO would be against it." So Russia is not against it, but nothing comes of it, so who will let you go to NATO.
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  • O_RUS
    O_RUS 27 November 2013 18: 39
    +3
    Quote: Akim
    Where am I going to throw the women.


    Here is the lavelas! And the company on the student Maidan made up?
  • Akim
    Akim 27 November 2013 18: 47
    +3
    Quote: O_RUS
    And the company on the student Maidan made up?

    I’m not YD AND OT. Also push the country. And "tomorrow", what will I eat.
    Here is the lavelas!

    No, just acquaintances. Everyone has the right to their opinion, but a man is obliged to help a woman even if he does not agree with her. Here I agree with many. We are not GEYROP
  • kaper
    kaper 27 November 2013 14: 32
    +2
    Like being a little pregnant.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 13: 23
    +6
    Quote: Akim
    I personally will vote against both there and there.

    It will not work, the situation in the Ukrainian economy is a dead end
    1. Akim
      Akim 27 November 2013 13: 45
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      It will not work, the situation in the Ukrainian economy is a dead end

      We will see. Eyes scare, and hands do.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 13: 50
        +4
        Quote: Akim
        . Eyes scare, and hands do.

        Given what your politicians are doing with Ukraine, hands have grown out of ZhO **
        1. Akim
          Akim 27 November 2013 14: 10
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          our policy, hands grew out of ZhO **

          Each sandpiper praises its swamp. Naturally, proving the failure of the neighbor. Neither you nor I can find a common language, because it lives not even in different regions, but in different states.
        2. Walker1975
          Walker1975 27 November 2013 19: 30
          0
          And what do your politicians do with the Russian Federation and where do your hands grow from?
  • illarion
    illarion 27 November 2013 14: 56
    +4
    By the way, Ukraine is not dragged into the TS. It is simply recommended not to enter into association with the EU.
    1. 31231
      31231 27 November 2013 20: 24
      +5
      By the way, Ukraine is not dragged into the TS. It is simply recommended not to enter into association with the EU.


      And the point of dragging her there ?! Last years they called, they don’t go. Independent.
      How can one work with a neighboring state that is not stable in opinion?
      Yesterday Kuchma, Yusch, today Yanyk. Tomorrow Tymoshenko?
      The CU needs countries with a stable opinion and stable leadership. Belarus with Lukashenko, Kazakhstan with Nazarbayev, Russia with Putin.
      I personally will not have any contractual obligations with a counterparty who does not have stability. For this is a risk.
  • Che Guevara
    Che Guevara 27 November 2013 18: 46
    +2
    Quote: Akim
    tiv and there and there.

    Quote: Akim
    I personally will vote against both there and there.

    Akim, your position says that everyone was fucking you and you don’t believe anyone, I’m the same. I lied, I am sympathetic to Lukashenko, not in everything, but to unite "all", "Belarusians", "Ukrainians" - SLAVS UNDER THE NAME OF RUSSIA - Russian. He may be, he is not corrupt, there are no friends of Jews. From the Black Sea, the Baltic to the Okhotsk region - THIS IS ALL RUSSIA. Manomakhi (principality of Kiev), Holy Prince Vladimir, these are those who initially created the state and Orthodoxy on 1,5 territory of the Earth. Lukashenko President, Capital of Russia KIEV, Capital of Orthodoxy (3rd ROM Moscow). VIVA Slavs, Geyrop in the ass ,, Ukrainians, Belarusians - unite. Yes about the TATARS, the Tatars, like Kiev, Moscow, Minsk, are brothers for a century, we zhahnul each other so much that who is what kind of zapadlu to understand, WE ARE ALL MOTHER, WE ARE so many that only the Chinese can be our competitors. Forgot (forgive KAZAKHI) Kazakhs are awesome cheerful guys, they will support us, brass, they will just help them to India, They showed themselves very well in Afghanistan, and if you take the 10th century, they were diesel engines for heavy
  • O_RUS
    O_RUS 27 November 2013 17: 53
    +3
    Quote: Hudo
    that Ukraine is at least two


    ... we’ll calculate -

    Western Ukraine
    Eastern Ukraine

    ...and

    budding begin to propagate another EUUkraine
    Akim, why eastern Ukraine is divided into two parts?
    1. Akim
      Akim 27 November 2013 18: 15
      +1
      Quote: O_RUS
      O_RUS

      Ukraine alone and no one shares it !!!
      1. O_RUS
        O_RUS 27 November 2013 18: 34
        +6
        Quote: Akim
        Ukraine alone and no one shares it !!!


        Akim tell me, what is so often said in Ukraine: "This is western Ukraine, and we are from the eastern!"
        1. Akim
          Akim 27 November 2013 18: 44
          +3
          Quote: O_RUS
          "This is western Ukraine, and we are from the eastern!"

          Emphasizing national color. Naturally, we have many differences with zapadentsev, but the consensus is that the country is indivisible.
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 27 November 2013 19: 06
            +3
            Quote: Akim
            but the consensus is that the country is indivisible.


            Do not la la! Everything is far from so straightforward - 20 years of the authorities’ efforts to equalize all regions according to the Galician rank have not been in vain - a steady desire to clean the iodine-deficient snout of the average racially correct Galician grows up in normal people from year to year. What unity is there in the horseradish?
          2. Akim
            Akim 27 November 2013 19: 19
            +1
            Quote: Hudo
            20 years of attempts by the authorities to equalize all regions on the Galician rank were not in vain

            Your aligned? Mine is not there either.
          3. Walker1975
            Walker1975 27 November 2013 19: 32
            +1
            Oh, you’re shouting ... or you just don’t understand, but then why show it on the forum?
        2. O_RUS
          O_RUS 27 November 2013 22: 02
          +2
          Quote: Akim
          Naturally, we have many differences with zapadentsev, but the consensus is that the country is indivisible.


          Did the Zapadents never want to disconnect from Ukraine?
        3. Hudo
          Hudo 27 November 2013 23: 03
          +1
          Quote: O_RUS
          Did the Zapadents never want to disconnect from Ukraine?


          Have you heard about the worms, which voluntarily left the body due to which they feed, or pubic lice, which we build in a column of three crawled out of the fly and saved the unfortunate person from the suffering they cause?
          Here zapadentsy exactly the same pubic lice on the body of Ukraine.
        4. O_RUS
          O_RUS 30 November 2013 22: 05
          0
          Oh poor thing ....

          And then you have lice and worms. But what does your sore have to do with it?
  • kaper
    kaper 27 November 2013 14: 31
    +1
    They say falsification.
  • illarion
    illarion 27 November 2013 14: 54
    +6
    And this is not we who will lose, but you. I personally am against just giving money to Ukraine. Having a huge market like Russia nearby and spitting on it? Canadians have the United States nearby and hold onto this market with all their fibers, although they don't like each other. But pragmatists.
  • yur
    yur 27 November 2013 21: 39
    -1
    If we DO NOT lose, it means brothers and help Ukraine in everything, regardless of personal losses, and if the people of Ukraine choose the EU, then have a good trip, we warned you.
  • kaper
    kaper 27 November 2013 14: 30
    +1
    “So those who are behind the TS are simply not shown!” - that's enough to blatantly lie. Last Sunday, the First National showed such a rally on Mikhailovskaya Square. Although it was several times inferior in terms of the number of participants in Evropeyskaya and Independence Square. And then others the channels showed how those protesters were paid.
  • kaper
    kaper 27 November 2013 14: 25
    -1
    What can you do, there is no "iron curtain", the age of the Internet, fooling people every year is more and more difficult. Yes, and they fool those who want to be fooled. And to forbid people to choose a better life is a waste of time. And no fairy tales, Mentions about being chosen, developmental features, brotherhood, which is remembered when something is needed, will not help.
    1. illarion
      illarion 5 December 2013 02: 57
      0
      That's right, “you’re not my brother, but.” What kind of fucking brothers, like a kaper?
  • domokl
    domokl 27 November 2013 20: 10
    +3
    Quote: Orel

    Accept Ukraine in the vehicle is possible only in one case. If the people of Ukraine for the most part want this, and most importantly, SOMETHING WILL DO FOR THIS,

    You are an idealist ... Do you really believe that western Ukraine wants to be in the TS? Or the Crimean Tatars? It is not possible to achieve what cannot be. Alas, the Ukrainians are still not a people, but a population living in some territory. Without a single culture without a single language (no matter how hard the authorities tried to introduce surzhik, half of Ukraine still speaks Russian), even without a single economy. Ukraine is really a project, not a country.
    And the solution of the question posed in such conditions, only one or a minority should submit to the majority. But for Ukraine this is difficult ... Nobody has the vast majority.
  • Akim
    Akim 27 November 2013 10: 51
    +2
    Quote: domokl
    But the question arises, why in general the Ukrainian people for the EU

    They play in the EU according to normal rules, so the people want it. Tired of super corruption.
    Only opposition leaders do not say that it takes a lot of work.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 27 November 2013 11: 00
      +8
      Quote: Akim
      They play in the EU according to normal rules, so the people want it.

      Only these rules are only for their own. With a pork snout in the Kalash ranks will not be allowed.

      Quote: Akim
      Tired of super corruption.

      Captain obvious. sad

      Quote: Akim
      Only opposition leaders do not say that it takes a lot of work.


      Tell me bluntly - they are specially silent about this, assuming their personal selfish interest.
      1. Akim
        Akim 27 November 2013 11: 26
        +3
        Quote: Hudo
        Tell me bluntly - they are specially silent about this, assuming their personal selfish interest.

        They operate mainly with young people who always live the word TOMORROW.
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 27 November 2013 11: 34
          +2
          Quote: Akim
          They operate mainly with youth


          Part of the youth, only part. Carpathian fascist Papuans do not count.

          Quote: Akim
          who always lives the word TOMORROW.


          Duc Punchinelle's secret that this very tomorrow will be much worse today. And what kind of tomorrow might Project U have? Do you personally see him?
          1. Akim
            Akim 27 November 2013 11: 51
            0
            Quote: Hudo
            And what kind of tomorrow might Project U have? Do you personally see him?

            I believe. Apparently he didn’t break away from young people by age. For 11 years he changed three cars (coming soon) 4th. Like my grandfather-kurkul in Soviet times. Correctly say - displayed through the generation.
            1. Hudo
              Hudo 27 November 2013 12: 07
              +6
              Quote: Akim

              I believe. Apparently he didn’t break away from young people by age. For 11 years he changed three cars (coming soon) 4th.


              Hm! More than a strange conclusion! I also changed cars, changed my wife to a more successful model and change my underwear every day - but I can’t understand how this is connected with a belief in the unbelievable (future ??? !!! countries 404).
              1. Akim
                Akim 27 November 2013 12: 14
                +2
                Quote: Hudo
                but how this is connected with the belief in the unbelievable (future ??? !!! countries 404) I can not understand.

                With the fact that if desired, everything turns out.
                1. Hudo
                  Hudo 27 November 2013 12: 25
                  +6
                  Quote: Akim
                  Quote: Hudo
                  but how this is connected with the belief in the unbelievable (future ??? !!! countries 404) I can not understand.

                  With the fact that if desired, everything turns out.


                  It has long been known that with a fool you can *** break. It is better (IMHO) to choose a more appropriate desire.
              2. O_RUS
                O_RUS 29 November 2013 13: 27
                0
                Quote: Hudo
                but how this is connected with the belief in the unbelievable (future ??? !!! countries 404) I can not understand.


                hi Let it draw! will soon throw off the mask. Let the child assert himself in "someone else's skin"
                Quote: Akim
                For 11 years he changed three cars (coming soon) 4th.

                Akim, is it bad that I don’t have a car?
                Akim, is it good that I have a car with a driver?
                1. Akim
                  Akim 29 November 2013 14: 59
                  0
                  Quote: O_RUS
                  Akim, is it good that I have a car with a driver?

                  I myself do not drive. I can’t. I can rummage in it and STO is not necessary. The truth has to be driven there because of the guarantee.
                  The point is, not only in the car ...
    2. Orik
      Orik 27 November 2013 11: 29
      +6
      We also don’t like corruption, but we don’t have to cut our heads because of a headache. And the association will not correct corruption.
      1. Akim
        Akim 27 November 2013 11: 43
        +1
        Quote: Orik
        . And the association will not correct corruption.

        Of course, there is no wand, but you have to start somewhere.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 12: 13
          10
          Quote: Akim

          Of course, there is no wand, but you have to start somewhere.

          That is, Akim, do you think that starting with the destruction of the economy is the best idea?
          1. Akim
            Akim 27 November 2013 12: 22
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            what to start with destroying the economy is the best idea?

            No. I do not support the opposition with slogans - by any means... Yesterday I watched "Vesti" (20,00 Moscow time), they again touched on the topic of production. They say, TS buys Ukrainian cars and refrigerators, but Europe does not need them. And why do you need such a G .... sorry for the rude word? Their owners were taking off the foam, and now they squealed that they could not withstand the competition.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 12: 49
              +3
              Quote: Akim
              , TS buys Ukrainian cars and refrigerators, but Europe does not need them. And why do you need such a G .... sorry for the rude word you need?

              Why is G **** so normal for me, I myself have a stove from Belarus. Are these EU standards created for whom? Under any new performance characteristics, a lot of money and time are needed, and if this is not, then any enterprise is waiting for destruction.
              1. Akim
                Akim 27 November 2013 13: 06
                0
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                there is a stove from Belarus itself.

                Gas stove from the Republic of Belarus, not a stove from Ukraine.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 13: 29
                  +3
                  Quote: Akim
                  Gas stove from the Republic of Belarus, not a stove from Ukraine.

                  Yes, it was not in the store, that was suitable then I took request But I have Ukrainian sweets wink
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 27 November 2013 13: 48
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Yes, it was not in the store, that was suitable then I took

                    And well, that was not. As for the gas stoves Nord. Landik, concludes contracts with developers. And his poop stoves put in new buildings.
            2. Orik
              Orik 27 November 2013 12: 52
              +3
              Quote: Akim
              No. I do not support the opposition with slogans - by any means.

              The EU orders music, and the opposition performs it.

              Quote: Akim
              Yesterday I watched "Vesti" (20,00 Moscow time), they again touched on the topic of production. They say, TS buys Ukrainian cars and refrigerators, but Europe does not need them. And why do you need such a G .... sorry for the rude word? Their owners were taking off the foam, and now they squealed that they could not withstand the competition.

              Even if greed is removed, then global corporations will always be more effective than the national Ukrainian manufacturer, even trading in the Russian market. But when global corporations replace the state, everything will become much worse than even with the oligarchy.
              1. Akim
                Akim 27 November 2013 13: 09
                0
                Quote: Orik
                then global corporations will always be more effective than the national Ukrainian manufacturer

                Global cooperation at the enterprise level. branches - I agree. At the level of economies, no.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 13: 31
                  +1
                  Quote: Akim
                  . At the level of economies, no.

                  Sorry, but this or that country introducing protective duties, whose interests it protects?
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 27 November 2013 13: 49
                    0
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    and this or that country introducing protective duties, whose interests it protects?

                    Or their own or economic union.
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 12: 15
      +4
      Quote: Akim

      In the EU they play according to normal rules

      Akim, what do you enter the EU, where does the EU come from. The EU, the EU. This is an association that all experts say is full P *****. What does the EU have to do with ????????????? ???
      1. Akim
        Akim 27 November 2013 12: 47
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        This is an association that all experts are talking about - full P *****.

        Yes, the association is not joining the EU, but bringing conditions to its standards .. But experts are cunning. They always sing, which is beneficial when they order music.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 13: 34
          +4
          Quote: Akim
          , but bringing the conditions to its norms.

          Hmm, how much money will be required for these standards and where to get them? Ukraine has a pre-default rating, who will give Ukraine a loan now? If it gives, then what to give (fiction) 100 billion bucks is zilch, air, nothing. Not really !!!
  • Grandson of Veteran
    Grandson of Veteran 27 November 2013 11: 04
    +5
    "Ask the Bulgarians, the Spaniards, the Greeks, the Balts"
    Especially the Greeks ask!
    1. Akim
      Akim 27 November 2013 12: 01
      0
      Quote: Veteran's grandson
      Especially the Greeks ask!

      As for the Greeks, they themselves are to blame. They have been lazy for 30 years, and now they are reaping the benefits.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 12: 12
        +5
        Quote: Akim
        As for the Greeks, they themselves are to blame. They have been lazy for 30 years, and now they are reaping the benefits.

        And the Cypriots themselves are to blame, and the Spaniards themselves are to blame.
        1. Akim
          Akim 27 November 2013 12: 30
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And the Cypriots themselves are to blame, and the Spaniards themselves are to blame.

          About Spain did not study, but Cyprus lived at the expense of a soap bubble. He wanted to repeat the path of Switzerland. Did not work out. After all, Bern is not only living in other people's finances.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 12: 51
            +6
            Quote: Akim
            but Cyprus lived off a soap bubble.

            Akim, you are not in the know, but you will probably be surprised when you find out that before joining the EU, Cyprus had one of the most solid and reliable currencies in the world. And there were no debts hi
            1. Akim
              Akim 27 November 2013 13: 11
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              but you will probably be surprised when you find out that before joining the EU, Cyprus had one of the most solid and reliable currencies in the world.

              I won’t be surprised. Cyprus, like Poland, left on the bones of the USSR, which became the CIS.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 13: 35
                0
                Quote: Akim
                I won’t be surprised. Cyprus,

                Hmm, then what bubble are you talking about?
                1. Akim
                  Akim 27 November 2013 14: 16
                  +1
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  what bubble are you talking about?

                  About offshore.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 14: 21
                    +3
                    Quote: Akim
                    About offshore.

                    You know how many offshore companies there are in the world, but none of them are at risk of what happened to Cyprus. Cyprus is to blame, having plunged into the EU it has lost control of its financial system.
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 27 November 2013 14: 33
                      0
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Ypres are to blame, having plunged into the EU

                      Not only therefore, but to blame himself.
              2. Egoza
                Egoza 27 November 2013 18: 30
                +5
                Quote: Akim
                Poland left on the bones of the USSR, which became the CIS.

                Well not only! Poland has forgiven 10 billion debt, and given 10 billion for development. This is what the European MPs say. Just at the time when Poland joined the EU there was a better situation, that’s helped. Now they themselves, making a beautiful mine, make up the ends.
      2. 31231
        31231 27 November 2013 20: 35
        +4
        As for the Greeks, they themselves are to blame.


        Yeah. Ukraine is different. Very hard workers. But where do the Maidans come from, since everyone is snooping up a sweat?
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 27 November 2013 20: 57
          0
          Quote: 31231
          But where do the Maidans come from, since everyone is snooping up a sweat?

          So on the Maidan and earn! The unemployed must be hired somewhere!
          1. 31231
            31231 27 November 2013 21: 21
            +1
            The problem is that when they subscribe to these pennies they create the history of the state, as it was with you in 2004 and we almost had it on Bolotnaya in 2011.
  • knn54
    knn54 27 November 2013 14: 17
    +8
    -rrrd: I think so too!
    The Times.
    "Ukraine, like Turkey, will never join the EU," the newspaper emphasizes in a fresh issue. In Kiev, tens of thousands of demonstrators are chanting: "We want our children to grow up in Europe."
    "But here's the catch: we don't want them to join. And the second catch: we pretend we want," writes columnist Roger Boys on behalf of the Europeans.
    The author believes that "the opinion about the annexation of a populous Ukraine is a nightmare for Western capitals, because Ukrainians are young, mobile, educated and eager to earn at least more than 280 pounds a month (the average salary in Ukraine)" ...
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  • nnz226
    nnz226 27 November 2013 15: 16
    +7
    When they were preparing for the referendum on "independence" in December 1991. The first prizIdent of the most square mumbled in an interview that with enta nezalezhnosti, Ukraine in five years will live "yak Khvrantia ...", to which the French ambassador to Ukraine replied that Plastun (to put it mildly). Shho and May. Not being independent, but not being able to - this is the result of that referendum. But even their own rakes, which have repeatedly knocked them on the forehead, do not heal the Maydauns. Example: where are those "starving" for independence in 1991 in tents on the Maidan? Khosh would look at one "face". About Banderalog-Maydauns of 2004 I am generally silent - such a miracle was dragged to the prizIdentsky toilet seat that then all the five years were spat, and during the re-election this miracle got into the Guinness Book of Records as the ruling "leader" with the lowest rating. And here again the herd is marking time on the Maidan ... already sick of the circus and clowns
  • Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 27 November 2013 15: 53
    +4
    Very well, the author figuratively described:

    Small and timid cookie! laughing
  • Bosk
    Bosk 27 November 2013 23: 16
    +3
    It’s possible that sometime in fifty or one hundred years they will live ... but before that, at least for electricity, you’ll have to pay five times more, for water and sewage, one euro per cubic meter, well, a loaf of bread will cost at least half a euro and this is with the same income as now ..., we passed know.
  • pribolt
    pribolt 28 November 2013 00: 56
    +2
    http://news.mail.ru/inworld/eesti/politics/15821158/?frommail=1 Это ссылка на статью в Эстонской прессе президента Эстонии: Тоомас Хендрик Ильвес который родился и вырос в США статья называется:Ильвес: Янукович может еще поменять решение , на русском языке, мне конечно по барабану , что думает этот господин, даю ссылку потому как в конце статьи внизу есть все коментарии там их 50 почитайте , что думают Русские жители Эстонии.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 28 November 2013 01: 01
      +4
      Quote: pribolt
      below there are all comments there 50 of them read what the Russian residents of Estonia think


      I liked this comment here - Vova Semenov 06:08 (Moscow time)
      Brains, of course, are not visible from the outside, but when they are not enough - very noticeable!




      Muzzle and the truth is that intilechtom does not shine. laughing And another erysipelas is somehow deformed, as if he was sleeping in a jar of sprats.
  • mirag2
    mirag2 28 November 2013 03: 58
    +2
    Lowering the credit rating leads to an automatic increase in interest rates on loans.
  • Artem from Kiev
    Artem from Kiev 29 November 2013 14: 06
    0
    I hope many can understand Ukrainian. If anything, then Google translator does a good job:


    Why am I viishov on the Maidan?

    I am not for Europe. I'm even against it. I am not for Russia. I’m definitely against it.
    I viishov on the Maidan - for Ukraine.


    First, economically. I am a student of economic cybernetics, ale, m * seemingly, not a competence in nutrition: de vigidnіche?
    Tom misses the side. Here we can do it less than do tim chi іnshim economists and experts.

    In a different way, schodo vilnyh expensive. Something like that - I will rise in priceє. Whatever you want - sukaє vipravdannya. Є bezlich nachalnyh, student, volunteer, tourist, etc. Program on Yakita is possible. If you want - zrobish. I have nothing to complain about.

    Third, introducing to the partners. Here it is. Роз Europe rosumіє, why do you want to wipe off the vid of the country, you can only, if the country is needed. Ale does not require buti slіpimi. ЄС - bagato is the strongest in Ukraine (it’s so strong there: it’s only one of the real gracings on the map). І to that same ЄС I’ll deny є part of the Whig. You won’t be able to build your own economic interests. Tim is more likely to have a crisis hour.
    I have the urge to fall in Europe:
    - there’s won’t be a whip, ale and a carrot. Rosіya - tіlki whip.
    - ЄС - often satisfied with vicon homedomains. Russia - Maye Nicoli.
    - Rosіya rozumіє tіlki movu sily.
    Ale will not be unequivocal in the whole aspect:
    - at Russia є Georgia 2008 and Chechnya - on 94th and 2000th.
    - at ЄС є Yugoslavia of the 99th, NATO was bombarded. I є lіvіysky Gaddafi, who was a rap in 2011, became a thief, I want up to a dozen dozens of rockies to be different - I didn’t know how to bomb and navigate. Do not guess the same about all the operations of the United States.
    ЄC and the United States of Russia and Bagatshi for Russia, Ale, Zagal - not short.


    So why am I writing on the Maidan?
    Є tilki one reason.
    In the geopolitical region of Russia - to bet on the goal of the powers. ЄС - on the population.

    It was unfortunate that I garnishly said: “The Mitynky Union has a presidential election, and the ЄC іnodі zmіnuyutsya”.
    Zvisno chain often gra. Soundly Europe is in opposition to Ukraine. So. But for the whole geopolitical defenses, we can ри rimati and business, students, pensioners and praxis ’... People — mi.

    It’s for itself: we have abi buv vibir, abi have listened to us, abi for an hour or so we could be independent and vіd Rosії і vіd ЄС - for Vilna Ukraine.
    For myself, I have viishov on Maidan.
    1. Cat
      Cat 29 November 2013 14: 56
      0
      Dear Artem!
      Explaining your position, you are comparing some actions of the EU and Russia. Rather - you think that you are comparing actions - in reality, you are comparing, figuratively speaking, newspaper headlines, without reading the article itself and without delving into their contents. Doing it consciously, or out of ignorance - I don’t know. But if you really look into it, the picture will turn out much more different ...
      For example:
      Quote: Artem from Kiev
      In the geopolitical region of Russia - to bet on the goal of the powers. ЄС - on the population.

      Trying to put pressure on Ukraine, Russia is blocking access to its market for some Ukrainian goods, for example, Roshen. Which Roshen - private the company, its owner is not the last person in Ukrainian politics.
      But the EU does not put a stick in the wheel of any individual companies, it acts on the population - it requires raising communal prices, reducing the budget sphere and freezing minimum wages.
      That is, everything is exactly as you said, yeah.
      It turns out - the reason for going to the Maidan was for you the financial problems of Mr. Poroshenko and other such oligarchs, and not the interests of the Ukrainian population? Most likely it’s so ... And you don’t have to tell a fairy tale about job cuts and cuts of the same Roshenovites ... I’m more than true that Mr. Poroshenko wouldn’t go broke if he sent his workers on paid vacation instead of cuts, as long as the situation with Russia clears up or new markets are found, in the same EU, for example.

      In addition:

      Quote: Artem from Kiev
      I have the urge to fall in Europe:
      - there’s won’t be a whip, ale and a carrot. Rosіya - tіlki whip.
      - ЄС - often satisfied with vicon homedomains. Russia - Maye Nicoli.
      - Rosіya rozumіє tіlki movu sily.

      What kind of gingerbread? What will Ukraine get, even 10 years after the signing of the Agreement? EU membership, access to Schengen, debt relief, loans with symbolic interest, or what other "carrots"? With a guarantee will receive, and not "probably", after the fulfillment of xs how many additional conditions? Do not know? And I don't know, because there is not a word about these gingerbread in the text of the Agreement.
      As for the Russian "whip" - on whose ridge it flies, I have already said.

      and finally:
      Quote: Artem from Kiev
      - at Russia є Georgia 2008 and Chechnya - on 94th and 2000th.
      - at ЄС є Yugoslavia of the 99th, NATO was bombarded. I є lіvіysky Gaddafi,


      Chechnya is the territory of Russia. And it was not the Russians who started to drive the Chechens out of their cities, put them in Zindans, to blow up schools and hospitals. Or maybe it was Russia that started shelling Georgian cities from the MLRS, and along with the Georgian peacekeepers?
      Or maybe it was Gaddafi who attacked the EU, on the pretext that European democracy is not consistent with the ideology of the Jamahiriya? Or did the Yugoslavs bomb something in Germany and France based on their own geopolitical interests?
      In general, do not put these events in one line. This is at least incorrect.
  • 755962
    755962 30 November 2013 02: 51
    0
    Ask the Bulgarians, the Spaniards, the Greeks, the Balts - how do they live?

    They forgot about the Hungarians belay
    On April 12, 2003, a referendum was held in Hungary. The government enlisted the support of the population to join the EU. Only 46% of voters came to the plebiscite. Of these, 83% supported entry. In fact, less than 8% of the adult population of the country. Confused by this fact of European integrators? Not at all. The opinion of the minority predetermined the future collapse of the republic in the "embrace" of the European Union. In less than ten years, various political forces began to raise the issue of a new referendum on the agenda of Hungary. Upon exit from the EU. The reason is that reality turned out to be fantastically far from the illusions that plagued Hungarian politicians before the plebiscite-40.


    http://oko-planet.su/politik/politikmir/
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 07: 56
    10
    The EU and the phishington are not happy, but it’s clear and looking at the way the Ukrainians stand with the EU flags express their solidarity. The protesters on the Maidan are also for the EU wassathttp://censor.net.ua/forum/676385/antievropeyiskiyi_shabash_regionalov_v_kieve_r
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  • Smirnov Vadim
    Smirnov Vadim 27 November 2013 07: 58
    22
    Severe Ukrainian "gay". Fully photo essay here: http://fototelegraf.ru/?p=205677
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 08: 01
      +2
      Quote: Smirnov Vadim
      Harsh Ukrainian “gays”.

      Geievro geimaidan .... Mustaches to Europe lads wassat
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 27 November 2013 08: 47
        10
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Geievro Geimaidan

        We have our own for their propaganda (Glory to the teachers !!!!)

        "In Nikolaev schools, teachers distribute among children 10-12 years old leaflets" What awaits you after joining the European Union ", ordering to discuss what you read with parents, the Nikolaev portal Novosti-N writes about this with reference to the press service of the Batkivshchyna party.

        As the indignant mother of the boy who is studying in secondary school No. 51 of Nikolaev told, the teacher handed out to the children at the class hour leaflets "What will happen to you tomorrow if Ukraine signs an association with the EU?" .

        Among the truths that are presented to students on a double-sided sheet of A4 format, there are, in particular, the following:

        - You will lose the right to eat natural Ukrainian products, since after joining the WTO, Ukraine was obliged to introduce a ban on the sale of meat, lard, butter and milk produced in households.

        - Where do homosexuals get their children from? - You ask. To this end, juvenile justice is being introduced on a wide front, with its mass removal of children from families and their transfer to customers — homosexual “families”, “black” transplantologists, pornography manufacturers, etc.

        - Sweden is considering a law requiring men to urinate exclusively while sitting on the toilet, and not standing - under penalty of fines.

        According to the parents, yesterday, visiting the classroom, the head teacher of the school, taking one of the leaflets, informed the students that she herself was going to study such interesting material at home in detail.

        From "OstroV": this text in the form of a leaflet is proposed to be downloaded from the site "NO PASARAN", which does not contain any information about its owners or authors.
        http://oko-planet.su/first/220473-maydanutaya-strana.html
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 09: 32
          10
          Quote: Egoza
          - Sweden is considering a law requiring men to urinate exclusively while sitting on the toilet, and not standing - under penalty of fines.

          Hahaha, and the girls are exclusively standing wassat
          1. Canep
            Canep 27 November 2013 09: 52
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Hahaha and the girls were exclusively standing wassat

            Greetings to Alexander. Why, they won’t come up with a law so that men must give birth.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 09: 57
              +1
              Quote: Canep
              . Why, they won’t come up with a law so that men must give birth.

              By the way, a good idea, I think the Swedes will support this innovation laughing
              hello, Sergey hi
    2. avant-garde
      avant-garde 27 November 2013 08: 07
      +2
      neighing from the heart, thanks for the link good laughing
      1. Pit
        Pit 27 November 2013 08: 22
        +1
        Quote: avant-garde
        neighing from the heart

        Well then you are, neighing right away. wink And people are crying for self-realization. They go to rallies to prove that they are also people, people, with a capital letter. Maybe they have this only opportunity to get together, discuss problems, concerns. And the rest of the time they have to hide from the gaze of non-independents in the attics, basements and other non-hygienic places. Damn, sincerely sorry for Ukrainian gays. Unhappy people laughing
        1. avant-garde
          avant-garde 27 November 2013 08: 26
          +1
          Quote: Pit
          Damn, sincerely sorry for Ukrainian gays.

          I don’t have any regrets yes
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 08: 42
          +5
          Quote: Pit
          And people care for self-realization

          What kind of ass can self-realization ???
          1. Omskgasmyas
            Omskgasmyas 27 November 2013 09: 43
            +2
            Only in the form of a heap. That same ...
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 27 November 2013 11: 27
              +2
              Quote: Omskgazmyas
              Only in the form of a heap. That same ...

              Well ... Not everything is so gloomy. It can also be a place for parents to use their educational talents, or a training ground for students at a medical school. Again, it is possible to use both the mental apparatus. In general, there are quite decent options ...
          2. Pit
            Pit 27 November 2013 12: 46
            0
            Alexander Romanov and the avant-garde
            You have been looking at the photos from the beginning http://fototelegraf.ru/?p=205677 laughing
    3. Bigriver
      Bigriver 27 November 2013 08: 53
      +5
      Quote: Vadim Smirnov
      Harsh Ukrainian "gay" ....

      I wonder where such a differentiation in payment for participation came from - 80-100 hryvnias?
      Like, if your face is young and fresh and you radiate Eurooptimism with your whole face - tady 100!
      But if with a hangover and without radiation of optimism - current 80?
      1. MG42
        MG42 27 November 2013 10: 08
        +5
        No, 80 pay young people, older people more, there is also a differentiation with and without a flag, etc.
    4. MG42
      MG42 27 November 2013 10: 04
      +7
      Quote: Smirnov Vadim
      Harsh Ukrainian “gay”

      Quote: Stinger
      The most interesting thing is that the wise Yanukovych will remain extreme in any case.
    5. Mhpv
      Mhpv 27 November 2013 10: 25
      +2
      Quote: Smirnov Vadim
      Harsh Ukrainian “gays”.

      Let them give these loafers a miner's eye and a chipper and a slaughter, let them poke around like a Negro in ..... if they then have the strength and desire to pick each other
    6. SHILO
      SHILO 27 November 2013 10: 26
      +6
      And komenty, komenty to stern gays (blondes rule):

      fotina:
      26.11.2013 in 13: 56

      And I thought it might be good, albeit for money, but these people are involved in the public life of the country.
      Maybe for some this procession will be an incentive to return.


      I sit and think, but where to return then?
    7. Garyk701
      Garyk701 27 November 2013 10: 48
      +1
      Well, what kind of gays should be in the Donbas? This is not Moscow ... You have to be somehow more tolerant of Donbass gays :))))
    8. Hleb
      Hleb 27 November 2013 15: 07
      +3
      Full photo report here:

  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 27 November 2013 08: 02
    +2
    As for Ukraine, I wish Tymoshenko to continue her hunger strike as she promised-in perpetuity!
    Dissatisfaction was expressed and, as it turned out, the most important city in Europe - Washington ... -and want to add Yanukovych to the "Black List" ...offended laughing .. A petition appeared on the US administration’s website demanding sanctions against the president and the cabinet of Ukraine for the decision to stop the process of European integration.
    The authors of the document stated that they are not ready "to accept the fact that Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych and his government have denied Ukrainians the right to get closer to Western civilization."
    fool The same "fate" probably awaits Aliyev ... winked This is the same as Western civilization, so healthy people. This is not necessary:


    Read more: http://top.rbc.ru/politics/27/11/2013/891213.shtml
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 27 November 2013 08: 53
      +2
      Quote: Valery Neonov
      I wish Tymoshenko to continue her hunger strike

      Yes, let it go hungry. And then on state grubs and from idleness completely lose a figure
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 27 November 2013 08: 57
        11
        Quote: lewerlin53rus
        And then on state grub

        What are you, what are you! Julia doesn’t eat this from us. There, Yanuk personally poisoned her! She ALL TIME eats what is delivered to her from Kharkov restaurants and her daughter brings from her dumpling. Well, the guests throw up. As reported by the Hospital Service for all this time, 4 tons of grocery transfers were handed over to her! laughing
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 09: 00
          +9
          Quote: Egoza
          for all this time 4 tons of grocery transfers were transferred to her!

          Hungry, starving, cracking so that all of Africa is drooling with saliva.
          1. Heinrich ruppert
            Heinrich ruppert 27 November 2013 13: 00
            +4
            Hi Sasha and Elena!
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: Egoza
            for all this time 4 tons of grocery transfers were transferred to her!

            Hungry, starving, cracking so that all of Africa is drooling with saliva.

            Harried, almost pissed. Etozh what stamologist gave her such teeth in order to process such a quantity and not choke?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 13: 37
              +3
              Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
              . Etozh what a stomatologist gave her such teeth,

              Hi Henry! I have not seen you for a hundred years drinks I think the best German specialists did the teeth, and you have good dentists.
  • theadenter
    theadenter 27 November 2013 08: 05
    +2
    Ukraine teases one side, receives a concession / gift / favorable conditions, and then begins to tease the other side, receiving benefits from this side.
    Not so stupid. The main thing is that in the end we stop at a good choice, in the TS.
    1. Akim
      Akim 27 November 2013 11: 10
      0
      Quote: theadenter
      Ukraine teases one side, receives a concession / gift / favorable conditions, and then begins to tease the other side, receiving benefits from this side.

      They also found me a shalyai-felting. Ukraine may have signed, but Putin has strained. These are all fairy tales about the transit corridor. The Kremlin is not profitable for Ukraine to move away economically.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 12: 53
        0
        Quote: Akim
        These are all fairy tales about the transit corridor

        Give an example when Putin lied?
        1. Akim
          Akim 27 November 2013 13: 16
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Give an example when Putin lied?

          Always when it suits him. Or rather, I didn’t lie because I was telling half the truth. Yesterday in Trieste. The customs officials are well aware of what Ukraine produces, and a Polish trolleybus, an iron TV, cannot receive a label "Zrobleno in Ukraine".
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 13: 40
            +5
            Quote: Akim
            Whenever it is beneficial to him. Rather, he didn’t lie, he spoke half the truth

            Ok, I’ll skip, because below wink
            Quote: Akim
            Polish trolleybus, iron TV, cannot get the badge "Broken in Ukraine".

            The trolleybus will not be able to become Ukrainian, but using the zeroing of duties between Ukraine and the EU and using the ZTS regime between Russia and Ukraine, it will calmly get to us. Nothing prevents.
            With regard to irons and other crap. Go to Eldorado and you will see Chinese irons and teapots with the inscription Made in England wassat
            1. Akim
              Akim 27 November 2013 14: 23
              0
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              and you will see Chinese irons and teapots labeled Made in England

              Never saw. Well, at least 10 years. On the contrary, yes. And no one is afraid of Chinese goods. I have everything Chinese from the car and below (except for the Ukrainian TV). Even a smartphone.
              As for the FTA. Zero duties apply only to goods manufactured in that state. I’m saying that they inform you incorrectly,
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 14: 29
                +2
                Quote: Akim
                As for the FTA. Zero duties apply only to goods manufactured in that state.

                Akim, yes, if that were the case, all your politicians, especially from the EU and their press, would immediately begin to incriminate Putin in a lie, but this does not happen. Consider why? Maybe you still don’t understand something or don’t know. Putin will not betray himself under lies, all the more so openly. There are hundreds of agreements, acts, and even hell knows what pieces of paper, which you are not, I don’t even suspect.
                1. Akim
                  Akim 27 November 2013 14: 39
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  it was like that, all your politicians, especially from the EU and their press, would immediately begin to incriminate Putin in a lie, but this does not happen.

                  Do you watch our press and TV, not to mention the Polish ones? Revealed more than once.
  • Diviz
    Diviz 27 November 2013 08: 07
    +2
    Faster to join the customs union. The EU is PDRS.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 08: 15
      +1
      Quote: DiViZ
      Faster to join the customs union.

      Who are you talking to now?
  • rpek32
    rpek32 27 November 2013 08: 20
    +1
    and meanwhile in the USA:
    http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/739036/

    Last Tuesday, a petition appeared on the US White House website, the authors of which are asking for personal sanctions against President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych and members of the cabinet of the republic if Kiev does not sign the Association Agreement with the EU. 3245
    27.11.2013, 07: 19
    White House
    USA
    Ukraine
    Yanukovych
    According to the authors of the petition, they cannot come to terms with the fact that Yanukovych and his government "refuse the people of Ukraine the right to become closer to Western civilization."

    From the text of the petition: “We demand personal sanctions against Mr. Yanukovych and members of the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine if Mr. Yanukovych does not sign an association agreement between Ukraine and the EU during the Eastern Partnership Summit in Vilnius on November 29, 2013.”

    The sanctions, the applicants believe, should extend to the closest relatives of the president and ministers and include a complete ban on entry into the US and EU countries, as well as freezing bank accounts.

    Note that the project “We, the people” on the White House website consists of collecting at least 100 thousand signatures for a particular petition, after which the administration will have to consider the request in an official manner.


    Read more: http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/739036/#ixzz2log1H0TP


    There is direct blackmail by this state. Ofigeli completely
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 27 November 2013 08: 26
      +3
      Quote: rpek32
      There is direct blackmail by this state. Ofigeli completely
      Yesterday they announced that they would provide Polonsky with political asylum. Here are such petty dirty tricks
    2. MG42
      MG42 27 November 2013 08: 27
      +6
      Before this was an official statement by US Ambassador D Payette,

      US Secretary of State canceled a visit to Ukraine in December, and the vice president was not particularly embarrassed in a telephone conversation with Yanuk.
      Meanwhile, Gazprom refuted Azarov’s words about allegedly lowering gas prices and a Russian loan, and Putin yesterday confirmed that the contract remained unchanged until 2019 while in Italy, so ..
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 27 November 2013 08: 51
      12
      Quote: rpek32
      Ofigeli completely

      They just don't understand who is being called to Europe! Yes Europe will throw hooves away from "ours"
      "Meanwhile, in the social networks, the writers appeared, describing the life of the heroes of the Euromaidan. The nationalist Slava Kheroev almost directly from" Euromaidan "managed to write" Euroblog "on the" Ukrainian ! As if we would get it for them! Well, we, the Banderites, are not bastards! zakolotila ego dockami! EMPTY Now toleracty pomuchayutcya! However, potom vyyacniloc chto and banderovtsy not mogut them polzovatcya. Well, nichego, tea, not the bar! Ryadom c our clavnoy evropeyckoy ploschadyu nemalo podezdov and kuctov. Zato in banderovckoy PART OF Maidan ect cvoy biotualet ! We are European! "
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 09: 34
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        Nationalist Glory Kheroev

        Hero from the word HERO laughing
      2. MG42
        MG42 27 November 2013 10: 11
        +5
        There, by the way, the toilet is still in the McDonald's opposite the Maidan, but it is locked, although there is always a smell there, regardless of mass events, in such cases the nearest gates are also used.
  • Ihrek
    Ihrek 27 November 2013 08: 22
    +1
    Finally, the Ukrainian leadership saw the light. Association with the EU is a collapse for the Ukrainian economy.
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 27 November 2013 08: 31
      +1
      Yes, at the moment they have complete n .... without associations. Ts, they are asking for money from everyone in order to hold out a little longer before the inevitable default.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 27 November 2013 08: 54
      +5
      Quote: Jamal
      Finally, the Ukrainian leadership saw the light.

      So how not to see if ...
      Fule: I do not understand where the compensation figures for Ukraine come from Ukraine and the European Union did not negotiate a "compensation package", due to which the Ukrainian government allegedly suspended the signing of the association. European Commissioner for Enlargement and Neighborhood Policy Stefan Füle told Ukrainian journalists about this during a teleconference. American expert: Hryvnia is really beautiful According to him, no requests for compensation have been received from Kiev in the event of the signing of the Association Agreement. Füle said that Ukraine did not ask for a weakening of the trade regime in relation to enterprises that may suffer from the Russian trade blockade. “As far as I remember, there were only two requests from Ukraine. The first concerns one manufacturer of specific steel, where anti-dumping measures are already in force ... There was also a request about one manufacturer of a food group that faced Russian claims about product safety (probably Roshen - ed.) ", - he said. Füle also ruled out the possibility that such negotiations on the "compensation package" took place without his participation. View from Russia: Communication between Ukraine and the European Union is a dialogue of impotent people "This is my responsibility," he assured. Separately, he was outraged by the fact that there are different amounts that Ukraine would allegedly cost to implement the Association Agreement. "In recent days and hours, I have heard different versions, for example, that Ukraine needs about $ 20 billion to adapt to European standards. This is nonsense, I do not recognize such numbers and I do not understand where they came from!" - declared Füle.
      Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-132076.html
  • askort154
    askort154 27 November 2013 08: 25
    22
    Yushchenko also voiced: "Ukraine in alliance with Russia will always be on the sidelines."
    Apparently a victim of the "Holodomor", he believes that in the EU Ukraine will play the first violin ?!
    And this person was the president ....?
    1. Stinger
      Stinger 27 November 2013 08: 47
      10
      He is the victim of an abortion, not a famine.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 08: 48
      +1
      Quote: askort154
      Apparently a victim of the "Holodomor", he believes that in the EU Ukraine will play the first violin ?!

      Not only the first violin, but the first economy winked - the truth has flown into default, but this is no longer interesting to anyone laughing
    3. os9165
      os9165 27 November 2013 12: 49
      0
      A petition appeared on the White House website demanding personal sanctions against President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych and the Cabinet of Ministers if the Association Agreement with the EU is not signed. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
  • Same lech
    Same lech 27 November 2013 08: 48
    +1
    The Ukrainian leadership is bred as Papuans.
    You look at Ashton's eyes; there is nothing human in them - one cold calculation.
    It will be a pity if the Ukrainian people become a victim of these cold cynics.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 27 November 2013 09: 02
      +2
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      It will be a pity if the Ukrainian people become a victim of these cold cynics.

      Well, who is the victim, and who wants to capitalize on this. Out Tyagnibok has already submitted an application to ROSPATENT for registration of the Euromaidan trademark!!! Although the word itself was invented by journalists! At one time, Yushchenko did the same, making a horseshoe and "Tak" a trade brand of his son. Didn't help though!
    2. builder
      builder 27 November 2013 11: 48
      +7
      The Ukrainian leadership is bred as Papuans.
  • mitya24
    mitya24 27 November 2013 08: 49
    +7
    Here, in the comments, the opinion was voiced that "Putin's Ukraine is not needed", that this is a bankrupt state, that it itself is holding onto the skirt of Russia and stuff like that. To this I want to note that it is not Putin who needs Ukraine, the Russians need it. We are really one people, which throughout our history is forced to endure the intrigues of all kinds of parasites that sleep and see us separated. And in my humble understanding, Putin and his cabinet should not boast about diplomatic victories in relation to all kinds of Syria, Iran, called the Russian "underbelly" in the press, but worry about the real "belly" of Russia - Ukraine. Too much, in my opinion, we have become snobbish and arrogant ..... they say nothing needs to be done, they themselves (Ukraine) will come to us. Not a fig like that. Lavrov must not get out of Kiev. Money should not be spent on the SCO (these Asians are incomprehensible), but in Ukraine. Create American-style NGOs there and finance the pro-Russian part of the population.
    1. complete zero
      complete zero 27 November 2013 09: 30
      +5
      so it is in essence (everything that you write), but alas, it is unlikely that "the ball is on our side", a generation of people has grown up in Ukraine who have never lived as part of a common family, but, on the contrary, are striving for Western Europe, and as a result we (Russians) actions Yanukovych will get only hatred and nothing else ...
    2. ed65b
      ed65b 27 November 2013 09: 31
      +5
      Quote: mitya24
      Here, in the comments, the opinion was voiced that "Putin's Ukraine is not needed", that this is a bankrupt state, that it itself is holding onto the skirt of Russia and stuff like that. To this I want to note that it is not Putin who needs Ukraine, the Russians need it. We are really one people, which throughout our history is forced to endure the intrigues of all kinds of parasites that sleep and see us separated. And in my humble understanding, Putin and his cabinet should not boast about diplomatic victories in relation to all kinds of Syria, Iran, called the Russian "underbelly" in the press, but worry about the real "belly" of Russia - Ukraine. Too much, in my opinion, we have become snobbish and arrogant ..... they say nothing needs to be done, they themselves (Ukraine) will come to us. Not a fig like that. Lavrov must not get out of Kiev. Money should not be spent on the SCO (these Asians are incomprehensible), but in Ukraine. Create American-style NGOs there and finance the pro-Russian part of the population.

      You are both right and wrong. confuses masseptism of pan Yanukovych. Well, he is not the master of his word. No, you can’t swell money in them how many wolves do not feed, he will look into the forest. They need to associate with the EU. Whatever life seems like honey, let them get to the bottom, then they will lessen themselves to cure. With Asians, at least everything was clearly bought and forgotten. unlike he, Ukrainians do not rush about.
      1. mitya24
        mitya24 27 November 2013 09: 43
        +4
        So they still do not have much honey. My relatives live in Crimea and I am well aware of what their salaries are enough for. One thing is clear, if Ukraine gets into this swamp, there will be no return, that’s absolutely certain. The next step is NATO.
    3. Sergei 163
      Sergei 163 27 November 2013 10: 09
      +4
      All is correct. But you don’t think that such a policy will lead to the division of Ukraine into the western and eastern parts, which is undoubtedly not beneficial for Russia.
      1. builder
        builder 27 November 2013 11: 56
        +1
        The mayor's office of the city of Rava-Ruska (Lviv Oblast of Ukraine) asked the EU leaders to sign a separate association agreement if the central Ukrainian authorities did not do this at the summit in Vilnius. According to the deputies of the Ukrainian parliament, this threatens to violate the territorial integrity of Ukraine and the mass acquisition of Polish citizenship by Ukrainians.
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 27 November 2013 12: 01
          +2
          One way or another, sooner or later, the District of Galicia will become Polsha. The female jackal and let her flawed offspring warm up with whom she so badly got married.
          1. Akim
            Akim 27 November 2013 12: 07
            +2
            Quote: Hudo
            One way or another, sooner or later, the District of Galicia will become Polsha.

            And the scythe will lean back and protect you with barbed wire as promised. You yourself are no less separatist, once you admit such thoughts. My friends serve there nearby. There are many who come from the Crimea. And this mercher will be hit on the head a bit later.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 12: 10
              0
              Quote: Akim
              And the slanting will lean back

              Rather, the hooves will be thrown back than Yanukovych will release her.
            2. Hudo
              Hudo 27 November 2013 12: 19
              +3
              Quote: Akim
              And the scythe will lean back and protect you with barbed wire as promised.


              Are you talking about the fact that the yulka timoshkonko debased Donbass in 2004 with a barbed wire? In the priest, she does not have enough calories.

              Quote: Akim
              My friends serve there nearby. There are many from Crimea


              Well, ask them "WHO WANTS TO SERVE IN THE CRIMEA?" The faces of the Crimean people are much more pleasant than the fascist grin of the Galitsai iodine-deficient nerds (I myself had the opportunity to compare).


              Quote: Akim
              And this mercher will be given on the head a little later.


              Firstly: there is no head there (centuries-old iodine deficiency tightly stomped neurons).
              Secondly: Who will give if everything is the same flawed.
            3. Setrac
              Setrac 27 November 2013 22: 36
              +2
              Quote: Akim
              My friends serve there nearby.

              Apparently it was necessary to think about friends earlier.
    4. 31231
      31231 27 November 2013 21: 11
      +3
      It is clear that again the Russians are to blame. Only here Belarusians and Kazakhs have long been living with us and are not building their independence. They do not panick, but enough for life. In Ukraine, every time a new president and parliament. What do we choose their leadership ?! Our State Duma to write laws to them ?! Putin to jump on the enterprises of Ukraine and find out about sore ?!
      Syria gave us jobs to our organizations and staff before the civil war. She buys our products. About PMTO and say nothing.
      Most of the organizations planned to build the Islamic gas pipeline, and the share of ownership in it should have been with Gazprom. And what do Kuchma, Yush and Yanyk give?
      They only ask for gas "for fifty".
  • Stinger
    Stinger 27 November 2013 08: 57
    +4
    The most interesting thing is that the wise Yanukovych will remain extreme in any case.
  • lotar
    lotar 27 November 2013 09: 06
    +2
    I get the feeling that in Ukraine all the oppositions of the current government are clearly pro-Western, since only from there you can hear hysteria and other psychoneurosis cries.
  • complete zero
    complete zero 27 November 2013 09: 09
    -4
    I do not see much joy from the fact that Ukraine (Yanukovych) refused to integrate into the EU - if the Ukrainian people refused (I would only be glad) - but Yanukovych is not a people, as a result, Russia will receive another portion of self-hatred from the Ukrainians. "We need it"?
  • Stiletto
    Stiletto 27 November 2013 09: 09
    +3
    But really upset, howled the gay people. Ukrainians would be a tidbit for them. I hope it is true that, nevertheless, the brothers will not enter this city under a beautiful sign.
  • FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 27 November 2013 09: 14
    +6
    Who really wants to go to Europe, isn’t it easier to move yourself?
  • Asgard
    Asgard 27 November 2013 09: 20
    +1
    The worse, the better for us)))As it does not sound paradoxical .....
    Why does Ukraine need the EU to get markets and stretch time until the collapse of the States .....
    Why is it for America to tear Ukraine away from Russia, and the state of Russia (represented by the government)) will do everything possible so that Ukraine joins the EU ......

    Although in words, the rhetoric is kind of like a betrayal of Ukraine, Yanukovych, the People living there ...
    I think that with a 90% probability that Yanukovych will sign the "cabal" he will be PERSONALLY promised "nishtyaks", the IMF has pro-declared its recommendations-And this organization DOES NOT TOLERATE if its instructions are not followed))))

    I was thinking here. but if everything starts from Ukraine, Again Kievan Rus formed !!!!!
    Since Ukrainians are placed in a pose, after which ONLY RUSSIAN RIOT (merciless, but with GREAT SENSE))))
    And it all starts with European integrators)))))paradoxically it sounds))))
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 27 November 2013 22: 38
      +2
      Quote: Asgard
      I was thinking here. but if EVERYTHING starts from Ukraine, Kievan Rus is formed again !!!!!

      Apparently the whole story of the BEFORE the Reformation was invented from scratch, and if it starts from Ukraine, then NOT AGAIN, but FOR THE FIRST TIME.
  • Andrew 447
    Andrew 447 27 November 2013 09: 23
    +3
    In general, the EU before its summit in Vilnius in a strong knockdown. The hook from Kiev plus an uppercut from Baku - and the referee "in the ring" is already opening an account ... As I understand it, in the current situation, the referee is our Darkest. bully
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 27 November 2013 09: 31
    +2
    The "Ukrainian question" is quite obvious, since this is a rare case when patriots of Russia (both bourgeois and socialist) can act as a united front.
    Obviously, Ukraine as a state in a global market economy is not viable (association with the EU is only the most painful form of its death).
    It is also obvious that Western Ukraine does not have any economic benefits and is not needed by Russia, while being a source of eternal conflict and constant hemorrhoids.
    Under these conditions, it would be best to create and support political forces leading to federalization, and then to the separation of Western Ukraine (8-10 regions) into a separate state (of course, all supporters of the "European choice" from Eastern and Central Ukraine should be given the opportunity to freely leave to Western Ukraine).
    After that, you can simply forget about Western Ukraine, leaving it to enjoy its "European happiness".
    Eastern and Central Ukraine form an independent and Russia-friendly state.
    If the situation in Russia does not deteriorate significantly at this point, it would be entirely possible to think about joint reindustrialization of the two countries.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 27 November 2013 09: 32
    +1
    Yanukovych needs to go to presidency courses with Aliyev. Young is not green. Well done Azerbaijan. hi
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 27 November 2013 10: 26
      +5
      Quote: ed65b
      Yanukovych needs to go to presidency courses to Aliyev

      To Lukashenka! In villages, they only say: "We would have Lukashenka!"
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 27 November 2013 11: 36
        +1
        the father has not yet grown up, let the course of the young fighter pass Aliyev’s.
      2. Orik
        Orik 27 November 2013 13: 17
        0
        Not better for us. wink
  • KOH
    KOH 27 November 2013 09: 47
    +3
    Quote: Odyssey
    The "Ukrainian question" is quite obvious, since this is a rare case when patriots of Russia (both bourgeois and socialist) can act as a united front.
    Obviously, Ukraine as a state in a global market economy is not viable (association with the EU is only the most painful form of its death).
    It is also obvious that Western Ukraine does not have any economic benefits and is not needed by Russia, while being a source of eternal conflict and constant hemorrhoids.
    Under these conditions, it would be best to create and support political forces leading to federalization, and then to the separation of Western Ukraine (8-10 regions) into a separate state (of course, all supporters of the "European choice" from Eastern and Central Ukraine should be given the opportunity to freely leave to Western Ukraine).
    After that, you can simply forget about Western Ukraine, leaving it to enjoy its "European happiness".
    Eastern and Central Ukraine form an independent and Russia-friendly state.
    If the situation in Russia does not deteriorate significantly at this point, it would be entirely possible to think about joint reindustrialization of the two countries.


    Also, for some reason, I thought about it ... If only they would not arrange a civil war there ...
    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus 27 November 2013 09: 56
      +5
      Quote: CON
      Also, for some reason, I thought about it ... If only they would not arrange a civil war there ...

      But this is just not necessary. A peaceful, civilized divorce is needed. A la Czech Republic and Slovakia in '93.
      Citizens of Western Ukraine strive "to Europe" on any conditions, God grant them health. It is necessary to give them the opportunity to fulfill their dreams.
      Eastern Ukraine, on the other hand, will be drawn to Russia by the "power of things" i.e. economy and cultural ties. Just don't include it directly in Russia, it will only get worse.
      Close friendly relations, general defense is what we need.
      1. mitya24
        mitya24 27 November 2013 10: 07
        +5
        What is allowed to Jupiter is not allowed to the bull. What the Czech Republic and Slovakia allowed will never allow Ukraine. And the Czech Republic and Slovakia remained you know where. And here is the possibility of strengthening Russia at the expense of the industrialized regions of eastern Ukraine.
        1. Odysseus
          Odysseus 27 November 2013 22: 07
          +1
          Quote: mitya24
          What is allowed to Jupiter is not allowed to the bull. What allowed the Czech Republic and Slovakia will never allow Ukraine

          Of course, the West will be against it. The civilized divorce of Western and Eastern Ukraine will solve all conflict issues and will be useful to all parties except the EU and the USA. In Brussels and Washington they will be terribly unhappy.
          But we need to think about the interests of Russia and Ukraine.
    2. uhjpysq1
      uhjpysq1 27 November 2013 14: 05
      -1
      why not. bleed bad blood.
  • svp67
    svp67 27 November 2013 09: 52
    +4
    Regarding Ukraine, I was not so optimistic, now the EU will offer more and its course will change by 180 degrees ... There is simply TRADE, like a market ...
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 27 November 2013 10: 19
      +4
      Quote: svp67
      Regarding Ukraine, I was not so optimistic, now the EU will offer more and its course will change by 180 degrees ... There is simply TRADE, like a market ...

      Why are they pennies? ...
      Greece is in for ... nice, Spain and Portugal are striving "there". The EU economy is moving by inertia. That is why gay-ropeans are looking for LOCH, so that at his expense they can improve their shitty financial affairs.
      Some show off and rotten promises.
      1. svp67
        svp67 27 November 2013 10: 22
        +2
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        Why are they pennies? ...

        But who said that they WILL GIVE, I said they PROMISE ... The Ukrainian leadership will be enough, especially since they will receive "compensation" for sure ... Poland has already "thrown a cry" - to collect money, for Ukraine ...
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 27 November 2013 10: 32
          +4
          Quote: svp67
          This will be enough for the leadership of Ukraine, especially since they will receive "compensation" for sure ... Poland has already "thrown a cry" - to collect money, for Ukraine ...

          I want to believe that Janek and Azar have enough brains to understand this.
          Although...
          When you look and listen to what and how they mumble, doubts arise.
          1. svp67
            svp67 27 November 2013 10: 37
            +3
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            I want to believe that Janek and Azar have enough brains to understand this.
            Although...

            Judging by what kind of "mess" they have made "the game is" VA BANK "... I'm sorry for my" nenko Ukraine "...
  • Omskgasmyas
    Omskgasmyas 27 November 2013 09: 56
    10
    I will try to be accurate in the definitions, and therefore politically incorrect.
    So, Yanuzepa suspended the drain of his raspberries to the western guard. Thus, he showed that he didn’t have to pay a positional kagal, but to him, and he costs much more than Rabbit, Boxer, etc. taken together. When in the capital of Europe - Washington figure out how much Januzepa’s signature costs and if their price suits the issue, the signing of suction will take place tomorrow.
    Yanuzepa does not understand that sooner or later the money given to his family for storage will return to the owner. Together with the scalps held in the hands of the Indians.
  • mitya24
    mitya24 27 November 2013 10: 01
    +5
    I adhere to the same position. A real friend of mine, who has been living in Russia for 40 years, but has not lost ties with his historical homeland (Vinnytsia region), said literally the following: "... right now, denyuzhki will be taken from Europe, they will quickly defile them, and when they press down lard with lightning will drop into the vehicle .... ".
  • ramin_serg
    ramin_serg 27 November 2013 10: 04
    +4
    Politics is a dirty business so it’s not known yet how it will all end!
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  • shark
    shark 27 November 2013 10: 07
    +1
    I just thought ..... And whether to create a single state of Ukraine with Russia, but not under the leadership of Russia, but let’s say under the leadership (at least nominal) of Kiev. All benders will shut up for a moment. This is a great Ukrainian dream. But in fact it’s not I see the difference, Russian, Ukrainian .....
    1. mark1
      mark1 27 November 2013 10: 29
      +3
      Quote: shark
      .And whether to create a single state of Ukraine with Russia, but not under the leadership of Russia

      And there will be one big Ukraine with all the consequences ... Do you want this? -me not.
      1. mark1
        mark1 27 November 2013 11: 50
        +3
        Gentlemen minus players, you probably forgot one great ruler, a native of Ukraine - Khrushch (Crimea is not enough?), Can you see in Ukraine some other "promisingly adequate" candidate for "tsars of all Russia" ?. Of course, Russia is a large country, you can walk for a long time until you pump everything and ruin it. Or do you, dear ones, think that formally the leadership is Kiev, but nominally its people will come from the Russian Federation? This is naivety turning into stupidity.
        1. Volodin
          27 November 2013 12: 37
          +3
          Mark1
          the great ruler, a native of Ukraine - Khrushch
          . To be precise, Khrushchev is a native of Kursk province.
          1. mark1
            mark1 27 November 2013 14: 17
            +4
            Quote: Volodin
            To be precise, Khrushchev is a native of Kursk province.

            Well, yes, I agree, Khrushchev's nationality hit the sky with his finger. But a unified state under the leadership of Kiev on the basis that until 1136 it was the capital of a unified Kievan Rus and that would appease the Bendera people ... the idea is very strange. Again, these lads (Bendera and other nationalists) will want to see only their own on the "throne", and if not, then in their vision it will be not unification but occupation.
            In general, this idea is "under the beer"
    2. Oberst_71
      Oberst_71 27 November 2013 10: 59
      +1
      Yes it is necessary, and still to seize Belarus
      1. Petergut
        Petergut 27 November 2013 16: 26
        +3
        Quote: Oberst_71
        Yes it is necessary, and still to seize Belarus


        And the capital in Minsk. smile
        1. 31231
          31231 27 November 2013 21: 40
          0

          And the capital in Minsk.

          Here I am personally, only FOR!
          Although you probably can not imagine what Nerezinovaya is.
    3. 31231
      31231 27 November 2013 21: 37
      +1
      , but let’s say under the leadership (even if nominal) of Kiev.


      Shaw then, father, I do not want to under Yuschi, Yanytsy zhyts. We still had enough EBN.
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 27 November 2013 10: 09
    +3
    Yes, from Maydauna surely, there is not a single normal fact to justify joining the EU, it seems that people only know Europe by pictures.
  • Known who
    Known who 27 November 2013 10: 56
    -5
    It seems to me that the Russian government also played an important role in Ukraine's aspirations to Europe, which raised energy prices and gave rise to the Yulino case.
    It will not be easier for ordinary people from joining the European Union, then certainly not worse (in Europe there are simply no pensions of 70 euros per month and doctors do not receive 100 USD per month, and hard workers will travel to any France and Germany and work hard).
    Business will immediately receive a full hap, kirdets, etc. By European standards, you cannot pay a person $ 100 per month, and the production technology is behind. Those. we will get the default of the Slavic state and the entire business, including that owned by the Russians, will be sold under the hammer. In addition, we will receive dumping prices for a number of products and a couple of military bases (including for the deployment of missile defense elements) in our underbelly.
    And the Russian government is trying to twist its arms and put pressure on diseased corns, in the place of occupying a constructive position. The whip never led to a good ending.
    1. Liss.
      Liss. 27 November 2013 12: 45
      +5
      Quote: It is known who
      It seems to me that the Russian government also played an important role in Ukraine's aspirations to Europe, which raised energy prices and gave rise to the Yulino case.
      .
      and also agreed to an increase in the price of transit, prepayment for transit, an increase in rent for the Russian Sevastopol, and the provision of loans. and the performance of VVP in the style of "Yule-volu".
      Then I agree with you.
      1. Liss.
        Liss. 27 November 2013 12: 58
        +5
        Quote: It is known who
        It will not be easier for ordinary people from joining the European Union, then certainly not worse (in Europe there are simply no pensions of 70 euros per month and doctors do not receive 100 USD per month, and hard workers will travel to any France and Germany and work hard).

        Smiled ...
        - The average age of life in Ukraine makes you pay European pensions, and now when you retire by European age, 70 years or more.
        -European doctors, in solidarity, will give up their workrooms to Ukrainian doctors.
        - to 5 mln. current "migrant workers" will add another 15 million.
        in the European Union there are a few jobs, with 20% of local unemployment.
        They will inject Europe ...
    2. Liss.
      Liss. 27 November 2013 13: 17
      +2
      Quote: It is known who
      And the Russian government is trying to twist its arms and put pressure on diseased corns, in the place of occupying a constructive position.

      Over the 20 years of “independence”, the Ukrainian governments (not the majority of the people) have done a lot to convince that they prefer “Hopak” to “Waltz” with Russia,
      now they want to have a threesome waltz gangbang.
      This is not an academic dance.
      Choosing a partner for a girl.
      Her sovereign right.
      Well, the Russian cavalier does not like the three of them dancing.
      Has the right to?
    3. Platov
      Platov 27 November 2013 13: 36
      +2
      Congratulations to the outskirts of retirement! After signing the association pact with the EU, you will receive the December pension as Germans. Rejoice to earn 70 euros a month, get 1000 euros, keep your pockets wider for freebies. Just do not forget that
      can turn into 7 euros per month.
    4. Petergut
      Petergut 27 November 2013 16: 39
      +1
      Quote: Who is known

      It will not be easier for ordinary people from joining the European Union, then certainly not worse (in Europe there are simply no pensions of 70 euros per month and doctors do not receive 100 USD per month, and hard workers will travel to any France and Germany and work hard).


      It may be so, but no one has invited Ukraine to the EU yet.
    5. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 27 November 2013 17: 14
      +1
      Quote: It is known who
      Business will immediately receive a full hap, kirdets, etc. By European standards, you cannot pay a person $ 100 per month, and the production technology is behind.


      The people of Ukraine are hardworking, however, and freeloaders above the roof! Who will pull such a horde?

      parasites .... Who will fix the work? if you used to live on a fool?
      Not one trillion should be invested in Ukraine! The EU has no EXTRA grandmas!

      They will torture and abandon, and Ukraine another $ 160 billion to return to the standards of the vehicle. Where to get them?


      Gods! Teach the Unreasonable !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 27 November 2013 22: 46
        +1
        Quote: nick 1 and 2
        They will torture and abandon, and Ukraine another $ 160 billion to return to the standards of the vehicle. Where to get them?

        The EU’s reckoning was that Ukraine would be a window on the Russian market for Europe (remember someone had already broken a window into Europe), but it didn’t work out.
        1. nickname 1 and 2
          nickname 1 and 2 28 November 2013 09: 32
          +1
          Quote: Setrac
          The EU’s calculation was that Ukraine would be a window on the Russian market for Europe


          Yes there was not any calculation. from the EU. they were idealists at that time, and did not want to throw anyone.

          it is Ukraine, etc., enviously licked their lips - Oh! and we would live like that!

          But they did not know that it was filled with a cornucopia as a result of the fall of the USSR and the robbery of territories that had lost control.
          Only stainless steel was bought for a penny million tons, and hundreds of billion products were manufactured from this stainless steel. And how many non-ferrous metals?

          And it was only Germany that "ate".
  • Egoza
    Egoza 27 November 2013 10: 57
    0
    I don’t know how to put the video here, so I give a link. Take a look!
    120 thousand people went to the Maidan to declare their desire to be with Russia
    Watch the full version of the video on the Rain channel
    http://news2000.com.ua/news/sobytija/v-ukraine/239989
    xxxxx
    Well and more. Perhaps, this issue was also "secretly" discussed, which also served as a "stop-signal"
    As one of the main conditions for further integration contacts between the European Union and Ukraine, Brussels may demand from Kiev territorial concessions to neighboring states.
    This was stated by Director of the Agency for Social Communications Sergey Belashko in a comment to the correspondent of GolosUA.
    According to him, the EU can test the practice of Croatia in our country, which, at the urgent request of the leadership of the European Union, surrendered part of its territory to neighboring Slovenia.
    “In the context of Ukraine, we are talking about territories claimed by, in particular, Hungary and Romania,” he stressed.
    The first steps for this are already being taken, the expert recalled, referring to the issuance of Hungarian and Romanian passports to residents of Transcarpathia and Bessarabia.
    S. Belashko also noted that, in turn, Ukraine has no right to put forward its demands to Europe.
    http://news2000.com.ua/news/sobytija/v-ukraine/239920
    1. Yashka Gorobets
      Yashka Gorobets 27 November 2013 15: 02
      +1
      So then Poland will catch up there.
  • washi
    washi 27 November 2013 10: 58
    +2
    Putin informed that the debt of Ukrainian enterprises to four Russian banks: Gazprombank, Sberbank, VEB and VTB exceeds 20 billion dollars and about 280 billion rubles more.
    “These $ 20 billion, plus another 8 billion, plus another $ 2 billion that were paid for transit — these are all loans or quasi-loans,” Putin emphasized.
    http://hvylya.org/news/exclusive/ukrainskie-kompanii-dolzhnyi-rossii-28-milliard
    ov-putin.html
  • pensioner
    pensioner 27 November 2013 11: 15
    +1
    Thanks Alexey! Very witty. And Yanukovych is a fighter!
  • JonnyT
    JonnyT 27 November 2013 11: 19
    +3
    They will enter, just bidding continues! Yushchenko, having come to power everywhere, instigated evil puppets, five of them were all significant Ukrainian officials and executives at the cutting edge of American and British intelligence. And all this corrupt and recruited elite understands perfectly well, a hundred are waiting for them after joining the EU, and they’re getting ready! But you can’t enter! Either they’ll kill or the compromise will pop up! Here they start then a split, an intervention, maybe a civil one! Everything goes according to plan! In any case, Russia will have to rake this pile. And negotiating with the incumbent authorities is useless !!!!!!!
    In any
  • JonnyT
    JonnyT 27 November 2013 11: 20
    0
    They will enter, just bidding continues! Yushchenko, having come to power everywhere, instigated evil puppets, five of them were all significant Ukrainian officials and executives at the cutting edge of American and British intelligence. And all this corrupt and recruited elite understands perfectly well, a hundred are waiting for them after joining the EU, and they’re getting ready! But you can’t enter! Either they’ll kill or the compromise will pop up! Here they start then a split, an intervention, maybe a civil one! Everything goes according to plan! In any case, Russia will have to rake this pile. And negotiating with the incumbent authorities is useless !!!!!!!
    In any
  • MolGro
    MolGro 27 November 2013 11: 31
    +7
    for european choice!
  • ed65b
    ed65b 27 November 2013 11: 38
    +8
    and here I came across a poet
    "Khokhol will remain a crest Even though you let him go to Europe Where you have to act with your mind, It only strains you. And that's why in Russia Bequeathed already by Monomakh:“ Contact God forbid With three, a Jew, a crest and a lyakh! " Insidious w and d, although blind; Puffy lyakh, worse bly d i, x o x about l - will eat bread with you, And then he will shit in your soup. (T.G. Shevchenko)

    Moderators are not me, this is a great Ukrainian poet.
  • Astronomer
    Astronomer 27 November 2013 11: 38
    +5
    This is all a good Soviet tradition - walking on a rake plus a dream about a freebie ... Well, how much can we say that in order to live well, you need to work hard ...
    They will give loans ... Yes, they will give them with pleasure ... And they will receive full pleasure. Only Ukraine will not get better. Imagine the introduction of European standards at defense plants, aviation enterprises, etc., the introduction of quotas for the production and supply of agricultural products, the introduction of mandatory quotas for the import of everything from toothbrushes to planes and freezing all social programs at the existing level.
    Do you think this is a horror story? Then answer, what can Ukraine offer Europe, which would not be in bulk there without it? Space technology? So they will simply be taken away for loans.
    And more ... Watching these "revolutions", I became convinced that the driving force behind them is the most stupid, greedy and reckless part of the population. "We are against!" And just to be against. "Our principled position is to be against ..." this is not a struggle for the interests of the people, but an attempt to get through to the "feeding trough" of the so-called leaders, and other participants in the process - to make some noise, stir up and, if you are lucky, rob with impunity. Complete nonsense.
  • 10kAzAk01
    10kAzAk01 27 November 2013 11: 41
    +2
    So in Germany itself, everything is far from cloudless. According to the latest data, the unemployment rate among citizens of Germany no older than 26 years old has risen to a record all-year high of 48,7%. That is, every second young German himself sits on state subsidies.

    The guys from Maidan also want! and what for work ?!
  • Astronomer
    Astronomer 27 November 2013 11: 44
    +2
    And I'm also curious - that in Ukraine there is no state security service?
    Or is she paid a salary in Europe?
    Yes, apparently, the last statement is very close to the truth.
  • Sineys
    Sineys 27 November 2013 11: 51
    +3
    Funny photo.
  • Voinnet
    Voinnet 27 November 2013 11: 54
    +2
    I think Yanukovych himself drove himself into a cage. Whatever he accepts, his age of power is still over. The only thing he has to do now is to weigh everything and choose the best option for the country, so to speak, the last word.
  • mihasik
    mihasik 27 November 2013 11: 57
    +1
    And I am for Ukraine to sign the association. They themselves should take a sip of what it is, another's rake (the same Bulgarian) is not a decree for them. Then they themselves will strangle the opposition with the European integrators, and no one will shout at Russia. Having understood what is bad, the good is felt much sharper.
  • Evgeniy-111
    Evgeniy-111 27 November 2013 12: 08
    0
    A hook from Ukraine is understandable, but an uppercut from Baku is what?
  • Ulysses
    Ulysses 27 November 2013 12: 44
    +3
    Earlier, Armenia jumped off the train.
  • Migari
    Migari 27 November 2013 12: 44
    +6
    Quote: Akim
    Quote: Orik
    Why do you need these standards?

    Yes, after all, that without norms is bad at all.
    Better to be with norms, but without pants. EU norms, these are nails in the coffin of the industry of Ukraine.
    EU ”- nothing more than an unattainable carrot, for which only final political donkeys can go for their own slaughter today
    1. Akim
      Akim 27 November 2013 13: 01
      +1
      Quote: Migari
      these are nails in the coffin of the industry of Ukraine.

      For this, we must say "thank you" to our entrepreneurs.
  • andranick
    andranick 27 November 2013 13: 13
    +3
    Quote: askort154
    Apparently a victim of the "Holodomor", he believes that in the EU Ukraine will play the first violin ?!

    Skrmpke-not a violin, but bent, and forced to play the flute - more than likely
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 27 November 2013 17: 11
      +2
      Quote: andranick
      Skrmpke-not a violin, but bent, and forced to play the flute - more than likely
      laughing laughing good hi They will also make encore ...
  • avg
    avg 27 November 2013 13: 17
    +3
    Western channels show heart-rending pictures of how the Ukrainian people are literally “rebelling against the arbitrariness” of federal officials, blocking access to a single European “fraternity”.

    Truss truth about the desire for association with the EU.

    I recently read that the town of Rava-Russkaya was about to join the EU separately from Ukraine.
    In Soviet times, Rava is a small town, rather a town, which died out in the middle of the week and came to life on the weekend, when the population returned from work from Lviv. And now there is no work in Lviv, but to Poland, where you can engage in disenfranchised seasonal agricultural workers, 2 km. So people hope that the association with the EU, possibly, will simplify the procedure of employment and give at least the appearance of some rights. They are simply afraid to go to work in Russia, and it’s a shame after the statements in the 90s about the second Storage, but there is no hope for work in Ukraine.
    1. Liss.
      Liss. 27 November 2013 13: 33
      +5
      That's just a language example from Rava-Russian removed.
      But still a plus.
      Nowadays R-R lives mainly in smuggling. "Tyutyun ta vodka" is being brought to Poland, and "Ijyu ta odag" from Poland.
      It seems to me that the "shuttle" business of the baggage in Rava, the Ukrainian Government decided to project, t.s. on a national scale,
      becoming a "smuggler" between the CU and the EU.
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 27 November 2013 13: 23
    +2
    Maidowns

    Great said!
    Turkey has been an associate member of the EU for a very long time, so what? Svidomo, maydaunam it does not mean anything. They at least s ... in the eyes ... if only against Russia. fool
  • In the book
    In the book 27 November 2013 13: 27
    +1
    How touching is the unthinkable number of geopolitical strategists here.
    Everyone knows everything about how to live, how to work, how to behave.

    "Ukrainians are stupid, greedy ...
    They steal gas ...
    Crimea to pick up ...
    Divide Ukraine ...
    Issue Russian passports ... "

    And what, after that, do you seriously think about the "brotherly" people?
    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks 27 November 2013 13: 34
      +4
      Quote: Libr
      And what, after that, do you seriously think about the "brotherly" people?


      laughing Mongolofinotatarugors - to Europeans - Ariyam are not brothers
    2. Liss.
      Liss. 27 November 2013 13: 38
      +3
      She doesn’t rob the people, but ki, hiding behind the people.
      1. Liss.
        Liss. 27 November 2013 13: 40
        0
        Quote: Liss.

        Liss.


        Today, 13: 38

        ↑ ↓ New


        She doesn’t rob the people, but ki, hiding behind the people.


        Well, I'll write that "the authorities, hiding behind the people."
        So skip, moderators?
    3. Hudo
      Hudo 27 November 2013 13: 48
      0
      Quote: Libr
      "Ukrainians are stupid, greedy ...


      T.N. Svidomo (Svidomity) -- one hundred%.

      Quote: Libr
      They steal gas ...

      It is also necessary to see if this is the Ukrainians. Rather, as always, truncated trunks with hexagonal thread. Duc immediately on playful hands and give.

      Quote: Libr
      Crimea to pick up ...


      Do not pick up - return, restore historical justice. And not only the Crimea, but all that the bald syphiliston Ulyanov from Russia tore off and without asking anyone along with Russian people stuck to Ukraine.


      Quote: Libr
      Divide Ukraine ...


      So de facto everything is already divided. It remains to issue de jure.

      Quote: Libr
      Issue Russian passports ... "


      And what is the question? Are you sorry? Who wants to officially receive at the Russian consulate, who does not - no. It will be immediately clear who and with whom, without any euromaydaunnaya paid shibzdy.


      Quote: Libr
      And what, after that, do you seriously think about the "brotherly" people?

      And you after that?
      1. In the book
        In the book 27 November 2013 14: 31
        -2
        Quote: Hudo
        And you after that?

        What do I think "after this"?
        Excuse me:
        I must pay tribute to the quality of Russian propaganda. You need to be able to brainwash so well, you can feel the hardening of the USSR.
        As for the Ukrainian media, their influence on the people of the country is not so strong. In addition, I think that our people are more tolerant of the opinion of their opponent (naturally, with the exception of individual instances of provocateurs).
        As for the commentators of this site, I noticed that 90% of Russians think this way: "There are two opinions, one is mine, the other is wrong."
        The further you read the comments, the more it reminds me of the squabbles between two vicious aunts-neighbors on the land. When their dispute arose over the fact that someone's chicken went to someone else's garden, all the "grievances" up to Adam and Eve are remembered.
        In the end, commentators no longer remember what the article is discussing, and say something like this:
        Quote: Peaceful military
        Svidomo, maydaunam it does not mean anything. They at least s ... in the eyes ... if only against Russia.

        Quote: Hudo
        Firstly: there is no head there (centuries-old iodine deficiency tightly stomped neurons).
        Secondly: Who will give if everything is the same flawed.

        Quote: Hudo
        Do you really think that a stillborn formation can not only endure anything, but also give birth? Yes, you are just fantastic! Not just a science fiction, but Bradbury Zhulvernovich Sheckley!


        I foresee remarks addressed to me that there is nothing here to climb on Russian sites, go to your "independent", "svidomy", "maydanutye" and so on.
        I, dear ones, do not indicate to you how to live in your country, therefore I suggest treating with respect the opinion (often not coinciding with yours) of the population of the neighboring state.
        Think about whether you really appreciate the situation that is happening in a neighboring country. It may not be worth believing 100% of the information that is given to you through the media.
        Read here: http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/articles/2013/11/27/7003178/ how "interested" persons "correct" Internet resources.
        But by the way, he wrote all this for those who think.
        The rest can already be minus bully
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 27 November 2013 14: 49
          +4
          Quote: Libr
          I, dear ones, do not indicate to you how to live in your country, therefore I suggest treating with respect the opinion (often not coinciding with yours) of the population of the neighboring state.

          My dear, I write from the city of Lugansk, in the Donbass, and I write what I see for myself, both at the place of residence and while traveling to other regions, so it’s going to cheat and wishful thinking.

          Quote: Libr
          Read here:


          The reference to "Ukrainian Pravda" hastily renamed into "Evropeyska Pravda" - a well-known cesspool where Eurodowns hang out, and Svido-degenerates, better known among the people as "ghoul truth" well-oo-oo-oo is very authoritative. laughing fool Shuffle it deeper. Another would have thrown a reference to the "Newspaper YuA", popularly referred to as "Galitsay Beobakhter" or "Svidomit Zeitung"

          In short, take a walk in a waltz with your highs, Pan Noodle-loser.
          1. In the book
            In the book 27 November 2013 14: 58
            0
            Quote: Hudo
            In short, take a walk in a waltz with your highs, Pan Noodle-loser.

            You know how to debate, it's hard for me to compete with you ... "lucky" No.


            Quote: Hudo
            famous cesspool

            Quote: Hudo
            Eurodowns, and Svid-degenerates


            What I wrote about earlier.
            Medicine is powerless here, "... I think so!" (from)
            1. Hudo
              Hudo 27 November 2013 15: 13
              +2
              Strange you tipok. Flag of the USSR and speak such nasty speeches
              Quote: Libr You need to be able to brainwash so well, you can feel the hardening of the USSR.

              Provide links to dear resources. Who you are? Make up your mind there, either change the flag to Lower Austrian, or bend the Euro and do not write Svido-lies.
              1. In the book
                In the book 27 November 2013 16: 27
                0
                Why should I decide? I am a resident of Ukraine and was born in Ukraine, but under the USSR. And why should I be ashamed ?. Yes, I was born in the USSR, but now I live in Ukraine
                Who am I? A person who is not indifferent to the fate of the country in which I live, my parents, my children. And to the best of his ability doing so that my country was not "Honduras", as, unfortunately, it looks now.
                And if you do not understand what was meant in my "nasty speech", I explain to you:
                My phrase is a statement of the fact that in the USSR the ideological machine worked clearly and harmoniously. In addition, I do not think that everything in the USSR was as bad as many people write, say and try to imagine it in black. There is nothing to blame for the past, from it we must draw conclusions and take the best. Somehow: high-quality and free education; medicine, almost free; an ideology that managed to convince 99% of the country's population that their power is the best; relationships between people and nations; culture, science, and much more.
                In general, I will say the following: I expected just such a reaction in your publication from you. You just relate to those bazaar women who, due to their inability to convince or challenge an opponent’s opinion, fall to insults:
                Quote: Hudo
                Strange you tipok

                In general, to summarize:
                I’m not interested in you, as an interlocutor, fire me.
                And all the best to you hi
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 27 November 2013 22: 53
          0
          Quote: Libr
          As for the commentators of this site, I noticed that 90% of Russians think this way: "There are two opinions, one is mine, the other is wrong."

          There are two opinions on how to manage MY money, one is mine, the other is wrong.
  • Clegg
    Clegg 27 November 2013 13: 38
    +1
    I seem to have only one thing, Ukraine is Bula, є and will be independent. For our freedom of yours!
    1. Liss.
      Liss. 27 November 2013 13: 46
      +6
      That is correct.
      Straight toast.
      For full economic, political, spiritual independence and the right to choose a sexual orientation.
      "And now, and ever, and forever and ever. Amen!"
      1. Clegg
        Clegg 27 November 2013 13: 55
        +2
        It seems that all Russian users associate Europe with gays.
        1. kaper
          kaper 27 November 2013 18: 22
          +1
          Who cares.
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 27 November 2013 22: 57
          0
          Quote: Clegg
          It seems that all Russian users associate Europe with gays.

          So far, the Ukrainian gay association has been suspended.
    2. xan
      xan