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Putin: Domestic engine-building should not depend on imports

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Putin: Domestic engine-building should not depend on imports

Vladimir Putin decided to talk about the prospects for the Russian aviation engine industry, including measures of state support, at the Klimov plant in St. Petersburg - one of the leading developers and manufacturers of gas turbine engines. Before meeting with officials, the head of state examined the training center, workshops and new production lines.


“Our task is to strengthen the research and production, personnel potential of domestic aviation engine-building enterprises,” the president said. “I must say, I have long wanted to see you and talk on these topics, because the prospects directly in your industry depend on what our aviation industry for the future. "

"Well, to be honest, you know it well, if in combat aviation there are natural problems that are being resolved and, I am sure, will be resolved, for the civilian aircraft industry, engine building is one of the most essential elements that so far, frankly, do not allow us to break into the world market - Putin did not hide the problems. “And your own carrier companies, you know how they buy our equipment: primarily based on the characteristics associated with noise, fuel consumption, and other characteristics.”

The President recalled why, in fact, the United Engine-Building Corporation was created, in which technological, intellectual and financial resources were concentrated. And there is already progress: in comparison with 2009, the engine output doubled a year, the product line was expanded, new engine development projects were launched, there is a demand abroad, especially with regard to helicopter technology. “Last year alone, the company's export deliveries exceeded 43 billion rubles. This is almost half of the corporation’s total revenue,” he cited figures.

Products must be innovative and high-quality, outlined the head of state. It is necessary to produce more engines certified according to international requirements and standards. “Of course, this is a complicated, long procedure, but it is this that opens up new international markets for us,” he explained.

“In recent years, as part of the state armaments program, we have seriously increased the volume of orders for combat aircraft and helicopters,” Putin recalled. “And we are talking about technology with fundamentally new, higher technical characteristics.” The president wanted to know how much such an expansion of production was provided by a promising engine range. Including how the engine is being tested for the fifth generation fighter, as well as the creation of an engine for a promising high-speed helicopter. “As for the fifth generation fighter, we know which engine it flies today. In principle, the test pilots are satisfied, but we also know very well what tasks are in this regard,” he noted.

In civil aviation, one of the key priorities is the new MS-21 medium-haul passenger aircraft. "I know that the demonstration engine for this machine is ready and is being tested. It is important not to delay its certification so that we can start mass production as scheduled," the head of state defined the tasks.

“Special efforts should be focused on ensuring the independence of Russian aircraft industry from foreign engine manufacturers, as well as on the supply of imported components,” the president said. “So far, the share of imports is in some cases quite high.” For individual helicopter engines can reach 80%. “We need to develop our own component base, increase the depth of localization of production,” Putin added.

"For the further development of the United Engine-Building Corporation, it is important to solve all financial problems," the head of state explained. "This directly concerns the reduction of the existing debt burden ... Despite the fact that the corporation’s revenue has been actively growing in recent years, it remains unprofitable - for the debts inherited from the enterprises included in it.Of course, we need some fresh approaches, issues related to the rehabilitation, in which it is necessary to take measures to reduce the debt load and production erzhek, as well as the optimization of the product portfolio of the JDC. "

After the meeting, the president came to the opening of the World Sambo Championship at the Yubileiny Sports Palace and presented awards to the winners of the first day of the competition.
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  1. S-200
    S-200 26 November 2013 11: 30 New
    12
    Putin: Domestic engine-building should not depend on imports
    read - from Ukraine?
    means (according to Putin) Ukrainians-Eurointegrate in the end ....
    1. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 26 November 2013 11: 45 New
      +5
      With engines, everything seems to be fine, even the Americans are buying for their missiles ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 26 November 2013 11: 52 New
        +5
        ShturmKGB
        , even Americans are buying for their missiles ...

        Somehow there was an article that would not sell them engines anymore. I don’t know how it is now banned or not.
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 26 November 2013 12: 49 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          As it was an article that they would no longer sell engines.


          will be sold before 2018, it’s kind of like going to do their own
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 26 November 2013 16: 56 New
            +8
            Quote: ......
            Putin: Domestic engine-building should not depend on imports


            Gold words.

            An agreement was signed on the supply of 100 American engines to upgrade the famous An-2 aircraft.
        2. Rus2012
          Rus2012 26 November 2013 13: 21 New
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Somehow there was an article that would not sell them engines anymore. I don’t know how it is now banned or not.


          The conversation was about the prospect, to think first what is possible and what is not ...
          And the current Agreement - will have to be fulfilled, if you want, or not. That there were no commercial claims. Well - read the contract carefully in letters, regarding the possibility of a stop under specious or conflict articles :)))
        3. Stinger
          Stinger 26 November 2013 13: 22 New
          +7
          For reference: an option has been signed for the supply in the USA of 101 RD-180 engines intended for Atlas American missiles, the option is designed until 2020. At the same time, 59 engines were delivered to the USA, of which 38 have already successfully launched Atlas-5 rockets into orbit. Currently, work continues to expand further cooperation.
          source http://topwar.ru/29653-v-ssha-razvernulas-nastoyaschaya-borba-za-rossiyskiy-rake
          tnyy-dvigatel-rd-180.html
        4. Russ69
          Russ69 26 November 2013 17: 15 New
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Somehow there was an article that would not sell them engines anymore. I don’t know how it is now banned or not.

          Recently, somewhere there was infa that another contract is being prepared.
      2. APES
        APES 26 November 2013 12: 17 New
        +5
        ShturmKGB
        Everything seems to be fine with engines,

        with aviation is not quite true, there is a problem:
        ShturmKGB
        produce more engines certified according to international requirements and standards

        in this situation - Russia will always be in the role of catching up. and this market is such that all these standards are nothing more than an element of the fight against competitors.

        the second problem is more complicated:
        ShturmKGB
        the share of imports is quite high in some cases. "For some helicopter engines it can reach 80%


        thanks for that of course:
        [
        "We need to develop our own component base, increase the depth of localization of production," Putin added.
      3. Rus2012
        Rus2012 26 November 2013 13: 15 New
        +2
        ShturmKGB
        With engines, everything seems to be fine, even the Americans for their missiles


        ... alas, not quite as happy as we would like ...
        With LRE - yes, there are no special problems, the reserve was good.

        What can not be said about aircraft engines ... almost 20 years of pause and stop (with 1991go) could not have a beneficial effect. A lot of things have been launched - new materials, equipment for the release ... and there and there. O5 Same Regular Adjustments: Merge-Disconnect.

        There are problems even with the release and repair of the same NK-32 TRDDF for the Tu-160.
        With the same shoulder blades, the technlinias are old, run-and-go. New ones haven’t earned yet, but move today!
        Although there shoulder blades are not a god news that (from Wiki) -
        "The compressor has a three-stage fan, five medium-pressure stages and seven high-pressure stages. The compressor blades are made of titanium, steel and (in a high-pressure cascade) nickel alloy. The combustion chamber is annular multi-nozzle. The turbine has one high-pressure stage (diameter about 1 m, combustion temperature 1575K) with cooled monocrystalline blades, one stage of medium pressure and two - low pressure "...
    2. avg
      avg 26 November 2013 11: 54 New
      +6
      engine building should not be dependent on imports
      read - from Ukraine?

      From Ukraine - this is by helicopter.
      We interact with aircraft mainly with the French.
      But first of all, the Chinese must be sent further than you see.
    3. Algor73
      Algor73 26 November 2013 12: 06 New
      +4
      Cooperation with Ukraine will not work, Putin insists on a closed cycle of the entire production of aircraft. And so in all areas. We fought, fought, believed that we were on a path with Russia, but it turned out that this path would not be very long. For a couple of years, our MS, whose production is tailored to the Russian market, will be out of work. Either our politicians are short-sighted, or yours. But to hell with them. And how are people? Once again, quit?
      1. HAM
        HAM 26 November 2013 12: 14 New
        +7
        You won't have time for Janek, that he will graduate the next minute, and he himself does not know when it should have gotten boring, hence the "closed" cycle.
        1. rolik2
          rolik2 26 November 2013 14: 24 New
          -6
          Quote: HAM
          You won’t have time for Janek to graduate the next minute.

          And that Russia had problems with the supply of Ukrainian engines? Even with Yusche, the engines went without delay. Ukraine can not afford to lose real money, only to amuse its president, unlike Russia.

          The latest data from Rosstat in the Russian Federation reduced the production of the following industrial goods:
          Passenger cars by 2.3%,
          Trucks by 2.8%,
          6% of buses
          46.9% of tractors
          Freight railcars by 19.4%
          Excavators at 13.1%
          There was also a drop in the production of turbines, pumps, steel, rolled products, cast iron, building materials, and glass.
          That is, according to ALL sensitive articles of export from Ukraine to Russia, in Russia itself there is a reduction in production.

          And this is just to amuse your president’s imperial ambitions. Let production fall, job cuts but we will show that we are more important.

          Why is this war?
          Can't we live and trade without this?
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 26 November 2013 16: 56 New
            +4
            Quote: rolik2
            And this is just to amuse your president’s imperial ambitions.

            I didn’t understand how the drop in production is connected with the supply from Ukraine. Theoretically, it should be the other way around - we buy less, we do more. And that's right. Why should MO buy engines abroad when it is possible to expand production on Klimov?
            Quote: rolik2
            Passenger cars by 2.3%,

            Do you offer to buy cars from you? Yes, people will figure out what to buy, Lada or Zaporozhets (exaggerate)
          2. HAM
            HAM 26 November 2013 17: 29 New
            +5
            It is difficult to live and trade with an unpredictable person, or rather inadequate, and about imperial ambitions, watch a lot of TV from the west.
      2. Cherdak
        Cherdak 26 November 2013 12: 25 New
        +4
        Quote: Algor73
        And how are people? Once again, quit?



        No, you just need to be in the right place at the right moment right behind the "Subtelny Line" hi

        And all will be well!
        1. predator.3
          predator.3 26 November 2013 12: 31 New
          +8
          Quote: Cherdak
          No, you just need to be in the right place at the right moment right behind the "Subtelny Line"

          And all will be well!


          And all this was once called NEW RUSSIA!
          1. Cristall
            Cristall 26 November 2013 13: 47 New
            -5
            It’s strange - you draw maps, but you forgot to ask us — we want to be in this form! (I’ll immediately say the names Little Russia, New Russia — forget it like a bad dream, now it was now the Ukrainian SSR)
            I will always repeat, stop sharing! Either all or nothing.
            1. Rus2012
              Rus2012 26 November 2013 14: 16 New
              +7
              Quote: Cristall
              I will always repeat, stop sharing! Either all or nothing.

              The position is clear! yes
              It remains for all of you to come to a consensus ...
              But he can even think of a foreign uncle - to marry and quit, but we are still a family, aren’t we?
            2. vostok1982
              vostok1982 26 November 2013 14: 32 New
              12
              We want it. And independent Ukraine is an annoying misunderstanding. Odessa, Nikolaev, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov are glorious and powerful cities in the past, now suffocating. Do not need independent their scientific and industrial potential. Well, the farm of the horse-drawn carriages for 500 carriages is no good. They put a cart and an old gelding in the garage - and are satisfied.
            3. Hudo
              Hudo 26 November 2013 15: 03 New
              0
              Quote: Cristall
              (I’ll immediately say the names Little Russia, Novorossiya - forget it like a nightmare, now it was now the Ukrainian SSR)

              This is your personal opinion, and no one authorized to sign for all of you.

              Quote: Cristall
              I will always repeat, stop sharing! Either all or nothing.


              Your pathos resembles the "formidable" barking of a toy poodle at a bear.
            4. navodchik
              navodchik 26 November 2013 21: 56 New
              0
              Do not want to be Little Russia, will be a geyropa. What is incomprehensible here? Life teaches us, and not see everything for the future. It will not work to live with Russia and Ukraine without each other. Why? Yes, at least for builders from the Crimea, who are repairing a house at a neighbor.
            5. Vasek
              Vasek 27 November 2013 00: 20 New
              0
              To do this, a girl with intentions you would not have decided from the beginning.
        2. Andrey Skokovsky
          Andrey Skokovsky 26 November 2013 13: 04 New
          +1
          Quote: Cherdak
          Quote: Algor73
          And how are people? Once again, quit?



          No, you just need to be in the right place at the right moment right behind the "Subtelny Line" hi

          And all will be well!

          you draw lines on the map of Finland, and we will discuss here - did you draw them correctly or not
          and also talk about your respect for the country on which almost all of your imports are imprisoned
      3. Cherdak
        Cherdak 26 November 2013 12: 32 New
        +4
        Quote: Algor73
        Cooperation with Ukraine will not work



        Whose fault is it? Who most of all came to the "Taiga" union and was eager to go to Europe?
      4. So_o_tozh
        So_o_tozh 26 November 2013 12: 37 New
        -14 qualifying.
        That Russia is the EU, everyone wants to use Ukraine only as a source of labor and territory for the sale of their goods, a strategically strong Ukraine is useless to anyone. That's why we need a really effective leader, even an oligarch, but who will think not only about his pocket but also about the people, it’s a fantastic experience for me)) Our fate is that, being at the crossroads to the maximum bargain with both Russia and the EU, this the only way out. As soon as the bulk of the people heal more or less normally, no alliance and no one will need Ukraine for nothing, no one will venture to think about our border territory, fearing a reaction from either the east or west.
        1. Stanislas
          Stanislas 26 November 2013 13: 09 New
          +8
          Quote: So_o_tozh
          What Russia what EU, everyone wants to use Ukraine

          But Ukraine like only democratic values ​​and fraternal friendship interests ...
          1. So_o_tozh
            So_o_tozh 26 November 2013 14: 53 New
            +1
            Well, looking at the actions of Russia, I really understand that Ukraine can rely only on itself.
            1. avt
              avt 26 November 2013 15: 07 New
              +3
              Quote: So_o_tozh
              Well, looking at the actions of Russia, I really understand that Ukraine can rely only on itself.

              laughing And what exactly did you want? Independence finally came to your sensation, that's all, it’s enough to live according to the precepts of the EBN, well, when you got up in the morning and think what you should do for Ukraine, now think about it yourself, well, or let the European Union think for you. Go to pasture.
        2. Rus2012
          Rus2012 26 November 2013 13: 35 New
          +7
          Quote: So_o_tozh
          Our fate is this, being at the crossroads to the maximum bargain with both the Russian Federation and the EU, this is the only way.


          Eeyey, dear comrade!
          Those days are gone and ordered to live long. In the sense of trading with both this and the other (suck 2x queens).
          So, there’s a new wave of concentration and rallying:
          1. EurAsEC-pacific - the axis of Russia-China ... and others, including Turkey and others and others ...
          2. Two rings of atlantism - US-EU ... and other morsels
          It is only clear that p. 2 most likely will not.
          Germany gravitates toward Russia with China. Although unsure of decision making ...
          Well, what option do you have?
          1. So_o_tozh
            So_o_tozh 26 November 2013 15: 01 New
            +1
            There is always a way out, now they are artificially driving us into a dead end, forcing us to enter into an alliance with someone, I see no reason, now to enter without bargaining, where is the guarantee when we enter the Customs Union that again any "Onishchenko" will not start to pinch Ukraine in all directions, Belarus, for example, in the person of Lukashenko, constantly bargains with Russia for itself preferences, while Russia has no way out, it cannot lose such a partner ... It is Russia's concern to organize a union of countries, so naturally Ukraine's concern is to squeeze the most out of Russia, nothing personal , after all, Russia closes all production on itself.
            1. avt
              avt 26 November 2013 15: 16 New
              10
              Quote: So_o_tozh
              It’s Russia’s concern to organize a union of countries, therefore Ukraine’s natural concern is to squeeze the most out of Russia, nothing personal

              laughing laughing Yeah, mine is mine, yours is mine too and at the same time create an alliance and don’t touch our fallout! Well, the expression on the face, called in common people the muzzle, will not crack from such requests!? So sign the association with Europa and throw them such requests, we are already tired of it. So then there will be business and nothing personal. What GDP to you easy and showed the other day.
              1. Vasek
                Vasek 27 November 2013 00: 28 New
                +2
                It’s like with cigarettes, let's first smoke yours, but then - each his own! laughing
            2. uhu189
              uhu189 26 November 2013 15: 55 New
              +6
              And who is driving Ukraine into a dead end? Is it Russia that brought Ukraine to such a state? Or almost weekly circus performances in the Rada are the machinations of Russia? Nobody touched you, nobody infringed you, it was time for a fool to bring at least some elementary order in the country. Something your oligarchs are not ready to do at least something. You’re like a Ukrainian, and you’re thinking of your country as a cheap banana republic - to sell yourself both that and you can, but to get rich from it yourself ... Nobody will give you any maxima, because conditions and preferences give reliable allies, to whom Ukraine in its present state is no longer relevant. If it were my will, you would go to Europe, and you would live there not long and not happily, until this nonsense from the heads of people has disappeared. So no, butting for you for some reason ... although along the way in Ukraine itself, most do not need it yet ...
            3. Cherdak
              Cherdak 26 November 2013 16: 59 New
              +7
              Quote: So_o_tozh
              Ukraine's concern to squeeze the most out of Russia


              Oleg Khavich, Western Ukrainian intellectual: If the fate of Greater Ukraine is with Russia, then Western Ukraine must be with Europe. And therefore it is necessary to divide. In peaceful way. After that, Western Ukraine will become a federal state, will join the EU and NATO.
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        4. Panikovsky
          Panikovsky 26 November 2013 14: 21 New
          +2
          Quote: So_o_tozh
          . As soon as the majority of the people heal more or less normally,

          the trouble is that it won’t heal normally, there are no prerequisites for this, everything suggests that it will get worse and worse until it becomes, to put it mildly, very bad.
          1. So_o_tozh
            So_o_tozh 26 November 2013 15: 02 New
            +3
            I agree completely, so it’s very dangerous to bring the people to the pen, let’s see how the current Maidan for the government ends.
        5. Cherdak
          Cherdak 26 November 2013 16: 50 New
          +4
          Quote: So_o_tozh
          everyone wants to use Ukraine



          Have you dreamed about this?
        6. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 26 November 2013 17: 03 New
          +3
          Quote: So_o_tozh
          As soon as the majority of the people heal more or less normally, no union and no one will have to be donated to Ukraine

          And due to what will he heal? Now he goes to Russia to earn money. When we have a normal leader, work will be provided primarily to Russia. And they will think first of all about them too
        7. HAM
          HAM 26 November 2013 17: 39 New
          0
          The affectionate calf of two queens sucks, your creed, right?
      5. Rus2012
        Rus2012 26 November 2013 13: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: Algor73
        We fought, fought, believed that we were on a path with Russia, but it turned out that this path would not be very long.


        Do not be so upset.
        All reasonable have already been informed - we will accept a job, up to citizenship.
        Scratch your turnips ...
      6. vostok1982
        vostok1982 26 November 2013 14: 35 New
        12
        Let's join the Customs Union - then the cooperation will be recreated. And so - well, what is the point of Putin building something in Ukraine, if tomorrow the European Union demands to close the enterprise as unsafe, dangerous, anti-piracy and in general - undemocratic?
        1. rolik2
          rolik2 26 November 2013 14: 38 New
          -2
          Quote: vostok1982
          if tomorrow the European Union demands to close the enterprise

          On what basis?
          1. vostok1982
            vostok1982 26 November 2013 15: 15 New
            12
            Based on the destruction of a competitor. On the same grounds that they closed the Ignalina nuclear power plant and destroyed almost all industrial enterprises in the Baltic states. As well as 4 out of 6 blocks of nuclear power plants in Bulgaria and were banned from building a new one. Yes, there are a million examples. Now the "proud" Balts have become like blacks - they also live in Europe and receive the same amount. Well, we will be "blacks" for the Poles and the Balts - that is, in general, the lowest form of life. God forbid us from European integration !!!
            1. rolik2
              rolik2 26 November 2013 18: 31 New
              +1
              So you (and your like-minded people) with foam at the mouth prove that Ukrainian goods are not competitive with Western ones, but then they are written down as competitors? Be consistent in your utterances and finally stop talking nonsense. About various prohibitions there. You have already been told that Ukraine is not going to be accepted into the EU.
              1. vostok1982
                vostok1982 26 November 2013 19: 02 New
                +5
                Within the framework of the Customs Union, with cheap energy and with the availability of funds for modernization, they are quite competitive. So that they never become so, they will be destroyed when Ukraine joins the EU. Then, when all of this nonsense nonsense ends, Ukraine will be more impoverished than Bulgaria, and less developed. So you have to carry out reindustrialization. It’s easier to immediately join the vehicle and avoid impoverishment and ruin.
                1. rolik2
                  rolik2 26 November 2013 20: 39 New
                  +1
                  Quote: vostok1982
                  upon entry of Ukraine into the EU.

                  Aw, dear, there will be no accession to the EU, we have made it clear to us. Even the comrades from this site are sick of proving that Ukraine will not be accepted into the EU.

                  It’s easier to immediately join the vehicle and avoid impoverishment and ruin.

                  And in the TS they are waiting for us with open arms, they will not wait for our goods, they would have to sell their goods somewhere, here in the TS Ukrainian factories will be the rivals of Russian companies and they will ruin them to promote their goods.

                  Read this article carefully, Russia is going to abandon imports and localize all production on its territory.
          2. Rus2012
            Rus2012 26 November 2013 15: 16 New
            +5
            Quote: rolik2
            On what basis?

            They wrote to you -
            non-ecological, dangerous, anti-piderastic

            but in fact - not complying with the EU standard

            Look, sk. former enterprises remained in Poland, the Czech Republic, eastern Germany, Prebaldone ...
            Virtually no one and nothing ... At best - high-profile well-known brands (Losk washing powder, Skoda car, which is entirely VW ...).
            If you associate, it will also be with you. Well, they do not tolerate anything foreign. Impatient. Straightforward. They can act only in a familiar environment
        2. So_o_tozh
          So_o_tozh 26 November 2013 15: 03 New
          -4
          No cooperation will be recreated; Russia closes everything on itself.
          1. Rus2012
            Rus2012 26 November 2013 15: 19 New
            +1
            Quote: So_o_tozh
            No cooperation will be recreated; Russia closes everything on itself.

            and VTK with Belarus? And in civilian identity ... Even now, with China (transmistral plane)
          2. O_RUS
            O_RUS 26 November 2013 20: 46 New
            0
            Quote: So_o_tozh
            No cooperation will be recreated; Russia closes everything on itself.


            Quote: rolik2
            Read this article carefully, Russia is going to abandon imports and localize all production on its territory.


            no not all
          3. Gecko
            Gecko 26 November 2013 23: 14 New
            +1
            How can one rely on one who is about to join a potential enemy?
      7. SV
        SV 26 November 2013 21: 39 New
        0
        interaction will remain, all from the unpredictability of Ukrainian politics
      8. SSR
        SSR 26 November 2013 22: 30 New
        0
        Your comment is correct, but I put a minus, precisely because of the type together with the diplomatic cadets of the SBU, the US ambassador issues. What am I doing? To the fact that watered
        "Elite" and "business elite" will sell their mother and there is no one to negotiate with.
        Ps.
        Motor Sich Spets have opened their own department, so to speak.
    4. Migari
      Migari 26 November 2013 13: 13 New
      +7
      That's right, after the collapse of the Union, the plant for the production of engines for helicopters designed for multi-role helicopters of the Mi-8 and Mi-24 series and missiles remained there, Motor Sich.
      Therefore, specific tasks to reduce the dependence of Russian defense enterprises on Ukrainian suppliers were set by V. Putin in particular, ordered to create a replacement for Ukrainian-made engines, which are equipped with aircraft X-55 and X-59, as well as anti-ship X-35. Earlier, Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Government Sergei Ivanov announced the inevitable severance of ties between the Russian and Ukrainian defense industries in the event of Ukraine joining the EU and NATO.
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 26 November 2013 23: 12 New
        0
        Quote: Migari
        after the collapse of the Union, the plant for the production of engines for helicopters designed for multi-role helicopters of the Mi-8 and Mi-24 series and missiles remained there, Motor Sich.

        Steps towards switching to your engines are being taken:
        "..... As part of the UEC project to create its own production of helicopter engines in Russia, tests of the TV3-117VMA series 02 engine, assembled using parts of a Russian-made repair group kit, have been successfully completed. Construction has begun in St. Petersburg with financial support from Vnesheconombank a design and production complex of an innovative type, which will create a powerful production base for the production of helicopter engines, as well as develop new generation engines A 10-year contract has been signed between UEC and JSC Russian Helicopters for the supply of power plants for domestic helicopters ... ... "
        http://www.oboronprom.ru/content/perspektivnye-proekty
    5. askort154
      askort154 26 November 2013 13: 19 New
      +7
      S-200 .... means (according to Putin) the Ukrainians-are eventually integrated in the European Union ....

      Ukraine will not be "Switzerland", not under Russia, not under the EU. But if they stay with Russia, they will whine for the rest of their lives that only Russia is to blame for all their troubles. Yushchenko again gave a voice: - "We, in an alliance with Russia, will always be on the sidelines." Naive or what? In the EU, all roles up to 27 seats have long been allocated.
      For me, so let them try the "medka" in the EU and feel for themselves - "it's good where
      we are not. "And we will look. Although now it is clear that they will stupidly join the Russophobic camp of the EU. Therefore, we need to grow the entire" defense industry "only at home, we have everything for this.
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 26 November 2013 13: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: askort154
        For me, so let them try the "medka" in the EU and feel for themselves - "it's good where
        we are not. "And we will see.


        ... "after all - they are all relatives!" - almost according to the song.
        Nevertheless, they don’t do this to relatives, even to the younger unreasonable brothers and sisters ...
        As for "they will whine all their lives," they will not, if the EU is dispersed at the seams, and we will go up ... And everything goes to this ...
    6. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 26 November 2013 16: 42 New
      0
      Quote: S-200
      Putin: Domestic engine-building should not depend on imports
      read - from Ukraine?

      No, he meant components
      And Ukraine so far is supplying complete. Although there may be supplies
  2. andrei332809
    andrei332809 26 November 2013 11: 31 New
    +3
    Institutions ruined, dispersed KB ... caught on. but, of course, let's hope for the best
  3. engineer74
    engineer74 26 November 2013 11: 56 New
    +4
    Special efforts should be focused on ensuring the independence of the Russian aircraft industry from foreign engine manufacturers, as well as from the supply of imported components, the president said. "So far, the share of imports is quite high in some cases."

    Beautiful words, but the fact that without "bourgeois" equipment, not like a gas turbine engine, a kettle we cannot make, is anyone interested? What difference does it make whether to feed foreign engine building or machine tool building? To restore, so all mechanical engineering as a whole! IMHO
    1. lucidlook
      lucidlook 26 November 2013 12: 27 New
      +1
      I absolutely agree! Well, isn't it populism - declarations of independence from imports, when production is 99% carried out on German-Czech-Austrian-Japanese equipment ?! But how does that stanochka break and what will we do? Where do we take the spare part for it?

      1. evil hamster
        evil hamster 26 November 2013 14: 20 New
        +5
        Greetings! Half the death of domestic machine tool building is a fact, and what is there to do nothing to produce?
        1. lucidlook
          lucidlook 26 November 2013 15: 44 New
          +2
          Quote: evil hamster
          Greetings!

          Mutually. hi

          Quote: evil hamster
          Half the death of domestic machine tool building is a fact, and what is there to do nothing to produce?

          Produce of course! CNC machines and produce first. And I don’t understand why not? After all, there is an example (albeit in its infancy) - SIGAS.

          I’m not a specialist and I can’t say how much they really are on the domestic element base (can anyone know?), And how compatible are the control programs with imported machine tools (which ones?), But if now this timid Russian machine tool industry (50 people in the company ) does not support, then tomorrow import will import it through the WTO channels. And where did the import come from? More and more from NATO countries.

          And again we will shrug our shoulders and complain that "they did not take action in time."
          1. evil hamster
            evil hamster 26 November 2013 16: 10 New
            +1
            Yes, I do not mind, I am for it. One only needs to understand that without industry producing the final product, the production of means of production cannot exist. Of course gos. - machine tool building should be developed, but the rest of the industry cannot wait - if it dies, tank building is no longer needed. So, that import substitution is not a sin and rejoice, even if the machines are not ours. The more industrial production, the higher the chance of machine tool industry to revive.
            1. lucidlook
              lucidlook 26 November 2013 17: 22 New
              0
              Quote: evil hamster
              The more industrial production, the higher the chance of machine tool industry to revive.

              I am not catching logic here. Explain? For example, how the production at NPO Saturn influenced the difficult fate of, say, the Mechanical Plant named after S. Ordzhonikidze? Let me remind you that Sportmaster is there now.
              1. evil hamster
                evil hamster 26 November 2013 17: 34 New
                +4
                Yes, simple logic, the machine tool industry didn’t fall in a vacuum, but along with the drop in industrial production after the collapse of the USSR, it was not until the renewal of industrial funds. For the revival of the production of machine tools, an important factor is the demand from their industry, and of course the corresponding state program. But if there is no industry, there will be no demand and the state will not help. program. Ordzhonikidze can no longer help the same plant, but a working Saturn can start buying domestic machines if the right conditions are created for this. And suitable conditions are the direct concern of the State, and it is for this purpose that it exists (one of the functions)
                1. lucidlook
                  lucidlook 26 November 2013 19: 12 New
                  +1
                  You yourself see (or not?) The trap "22" here? Who should develop first? Consumer or supplier? The question is rather dialectical. But in practice, using the example of Soviet history, we can say that the development of industry went along the path: from the means of production to the final product. And not vice versa. And why? Because domestic manufacturers came first. And import is second. Now what? Compare yourself, otherwise they will again say that I am spreading defeatist sentiments here and cursing the authorities for nothing.
                  1. evil hamster
                    evil hamster 26 November 2013 19: 39 New
                    +1
                    Quote: lucidlook
                    But in practice, on the example of Soviet history, we can say that the development of industry went along the path: from the means of production to the final product.
                    Yes, you are right, but do not forget about one maaalnky detail - Gosplan called. When the Union began to build another plant with such and such a number, then drilling / turning / any machine tools of its production were already planned for other enterprises, many of which did not exist yet or were producing something from another area but were planned for reorientation. That is, the problem of selling goods in principle did not exist - this is an undoubted plus of the planned economy, even if the production machines of this plant are not needed, the plant does not close and people do not stay on the street, in the worst case, the plant will completely reorient to the production of what is now in demand . But the planned economy has not only advantages, but also disadvantages. However, this is offtopic. The main thing is that the development of industry in the USSR in such a way as it was, was made possible thanks to a planned economy and complete state ownership of everything in practice. Now we do not have a state plan and state property is far from being the same as in the USSR, the conclusion is that the methods of the USSR will not work right now. By the way, in the west, industry was developing, just the same from the final consumption and nothing like that, they don’t seem to complain.
                    1. lucidlook
                      lucidlook 26 November 2013 22: 34 New
                      +1
                      Yes that's right. And it really is offtopic, albeit very interesting. I would discuss. If only because if you think about it, then the planned economy, in essence, has not gone anywhere, because every (!) Enterprise has a planned department. So what has disappeared? - a question for another topic. hi
        2. Vasek
          Vasek 27 November 2013 00: 49 New
          0
          Yes, we lagged behind the machines ...
          But nothing, Koreans won the decommissioned Japanese car assembly lines, and now their main competitor!
          (True, we would be industrious and discipline would be Korean).
          So, machine tools need to be purchased so far, and gradually, through licenses and our own R&D, to restore the former glory of the domestic machine-tool industry.
          By the way, Canadians do not hesitate to use 30-year-old Chinese second-hand "carving rezats" machines.
      2. vostok1982
        vostok1982 26 November 2013 15: 40 New
        0
        Can all the British urgently throw a computer out the window - after all, it was assembled in China?
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 26 November 2013 19: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: engineer74
      we can’t make a kettle

      You can buy a teapot in any chinatown. Yes, and it’s not worth the effort to rest because of it. All non-strategic goods-TVs, telephones and other trifles can be freely bought. And they will always be cheaper because production in Asia is cheaper a priori. But strategic goods need to do it yourself
  4. Edward72
    Edward72 26 November 2013 12: 00 New
    -7
    I hope they will not merge the production of the MS-21 to the brits, like the SJ-100. And then we will definitely ride on deer.
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 26 November 2013 13: 37 New
      +2
      Quote: Edward72
      Britam SJ-100.

      ... here it is not yet known who was lucky :))))))))
    2. evil hamster
      evil hamster 26 November 2013 14: 21 New
      +5
      Completeness is all nonsense to replicate.
  5. DEfindER
    DEfindER 26 November 2013 12: 08 New
    +7
    The most annoying thing is that our country is really the largest producer of materials for aviation, and personnel for its production, Boeing is actually a Russian plane both in terms of materials and engineers .. Not having at the same time its most powerful Russian aviation is a crime committed by perestroika reformers, now everything is from scratch you have to start, but as they say better late than never.
  6. vikov
    vikov 26 November 2013 12: 16 New
    -4
    The party ordered - the people did, once two and a new engine on the knee, and for enthusiasm.
  7. nemec55
    nemec55 26 November 2013 12: 37 New
    +3
    Somehow I watched a movie (sorry I would have found a link in YouTube at work) So there is a designer of some kind of large engine, but super-powerful and cost-effective already tested on the plane, told how his design bureau was banned and not allowed to the top. And our gentlemen <partners> everyone has already sniffed out and offer a patent and good money, but the designer is still holding on (does not want to sell)
    1. vikov
      vikov 26 November 2013 12: 54 New
      +1
      One of today's leaders said: "We are preparing boys in America, they will come and put things in order."
      http://argumenti.ru/society/n385/247534
      1. PLO
        PLO 26 November 2013 13: 00 New
        +1
        the level of nonsense of this article just rolls over
    2. lucidlook
      lucidlook 26 November 2013 13: 35 New
      +3
      Are you talking about this (NK-93)?
      1. nemec55
        nemec55 26 November 2013 18: 08 New
        0
        Yes, yes, absolutely right .....
    3. kaktus
      kaktus 26 November 2013 15: 39 New
      0
      Kuznetsovskaya firm, probably Samara
  8. ZU-23
    ZU-23 26 November 2013 12: 52 New
    +5
    That's right, the main units of our equipment should be 100% Russian.
    1. rolik2
      rolik2 26 November 2013 14: 30 New
      0
      And the result will be, as always, nothing good, still your helicopter engines are inferior to Ukrainian ones, isn’t it easier to buy what you don’t know how to do yourself? This is much cheaper.
      1. evil hamster
        evil hamster 26 November 2013 14: 32 New
        +3
        Oh, what are our such engines inferior to what are such Ukrainian and in what?
        1. rolik2
          rolik2 26 November 2013 14: 36 New
          0
          you can google yourself (to avoid claims) compare at least the engine resource.
          1. evil hamster
            evil hamster 26 November 2013 14: 43 New
            +2
            No thanks, and good without googling. Well, a resource without a methodology for determining it is an ephemeral digit.
      2. PLO
        PLO 26 November 2013 15: 07 New
        +9
        Are you talking about Ukrainian engines that were designed in Klimov? winked
      3. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 26 November 2013 19: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: rolik2
        until now your helicopter engines are inferior to Ukrainian

        It's just that they still haven’t reached their hands. In about 10 years we’ll see who is better. If your Sich will still be alive
  9. REDBLUE
    REDBLUE 26 November 2013 12: 55 New
    -5
    Not bad if everything we consumed would be produced by Russia. But it will not work as with a global tracking system. Which for some reason doesn’t work this way.
  10. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 26 November 2013 13: 00 New
    +4
    Well, why is this happening with us? First, we’ll kill, we’ll lose, then decades later, recovery movements begin.
    Go back to go forward ...
    The world is changing. Every 30 minutes there is an update of information in the world of science, technology.
    Today we already need to seriously engage in the development not of tomorrow, but of what will be relevant the day after tomorrow.
    And of course, at least produce military equipment at its factories and on its territory and from its components.
    And send far integration with neighbors, who can easily sell for 30 pieces of silver, turning into fierce enemies ...
    1. ramsi
      ramsi 26 November 2013 13: 03 New
      +6
      no matter how disgusting it is to remember, but - "every nation deserves the government that it has"
    2. Genur
      Genur 26 November 2013 17: 24 New
      +1
      That's about it
      Quote: Samsebenum
      Well, why is this happening with us?
      and you need to ask from various Chubais and other liberals who laid Russia, and all the Slavs, under the West. True, Belarus is still holding !!!
  11. grafrozow
    grafrozow 26 November 2013 13: 11 New
    +3
    After the meeting, the president came to the opening of the World Sambo Championship at the Yubileiny Sports Palace and presented awards to the winners of the first day of the competition.
    I wonder if it weren’t for the championship, would he get to the factory? Something reminds, deepen, expand ... and when are the results?
    1. Samsebenaum
      Samsebenaum 26 November 2013 13: 23 New
      +1
      grafrozow
      Quote: grafrozow
      Something reminds, deepen, expand ... and when are the results?

      That's the trick. I do not recall a single case when our guarantor publicly voiced specific dates and specific performers. All in general and with good intentions.
      KGB’s habits in blood - so as not to get trapped - be slippery.
      Although, perhaps, the Olympics and other sports events. There is nowhere to go ...
  12. godun
    godun 26 November 2013 13: 17 New
    +2
    Oh, if only those funds that were stolen on megaprojects, but pour into the domestic industry, and dispose of according to the mind, our pilots would be piloting now, some flying saucers. And it is not necessary to talk to the "guarantor" or to otmazyvat his own, but do real things. ..
    1. Genry
      Genry 26 November 2013 16: 10 New
      +3
      Hard to understand why?
      Olympiads, forums, exhibitions. This increases the political weight, which, after some time, is converted into economic.
      The decrease in political weight led to the collapse of the USSR.
  13. VADEL
    VADEL 26 November 2013 13: 32 New
    +2
    Quote: ZU-23
    That's right, the main units of our equipment should be 100% Russian.

    I support all 200%, otherwise it turns out in case of a divorce, the one who releases the catapults will be able to fly. smile
    1. vikov
      vikov 26 November 2013 13: 47 New
      +1
      No need to bring family values ​​to state interests.

      the D-27 (AN 70) engine is by far the most economical in its class, its “appetite” is 30% less than that of its Western counterparts. Yes, and similar to Ukrainian engines will appear abroad no earlier than in 7-8 years.
      Question: In how many years will a similar engine be in the Russian Federation?
      1. PLO
        PLO 26 November 2013 15: 00 New
        +2
        why does Russia need it? Well, what's the point of comparing turbofan engines with turbojet engines? they have their advantages and disadvantages.
        not to mention the fact that in D-27 a considerable part of the components is produced in Russia

        likewise, Ukraine will never have anything like PS-90A or PD-14
      2. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 26 November 2013 22: 35 New
        0
        Quote: vikov
        the D-27 (AN 70) engine is by far the most economical in its class, its “appetite” is 30% less than that of its Western counterparts. Yes, and similar to Ukrainian engines will appear abroad no earlier than in 7-8 years.
        Question: In how many years will a similar engine be in the Russian Federation?

        If you type "D-27 engine" in the search, then among other things:
        "... The D-27 propeller engine was developed at the Ivchenko Zaporozhye Design Bureau in the mid-80s. TsIAM and TsAGI specialists took an active part in the development of the engine. SV-27 propellers with wide chord saber blades were developed at NPO." Aviasila "(Stupino). The automatic control system of the SU-77 engine was developed at the Ufa NPO Molniya ......."

        And on the corporate website "Salute" (http://www.salut.ru/ViewTopic.php?Id=658) D-27 engine in the list of products.
  14. Cristall
    Cristall 26 November 2013 13: 51 New
    +2
    I think Motor Sich will be worthy of competition in any case. In vain you attacked him like that. In contrast to the flourishing government, sober heads are on MS. Better look, read about the enterprise.
  15. knn54
    knn54 26 November 2013 13: 53 New
    +1
    Domestic aircraft industry should be independent of foreign manufacturers of aircraft engines and the supply of imported components ...
    First of all, the Fatherland must be restored.
    - Despite the fact that the corporation's revenue has been growing rapidly in recent years, it remains unprofitable.
    “Unprofitable revenue” - the “hand” of the HSE is felt.
    - ... as well as the optimization of the UEC PRODUCT portfolio.
    What is it about cooperation?
    Putin on a hang glider flew at the head of a flock of cranes.
    In the Russian Federation, things immediately went with aviation, including with engines and drones ...
    ALL industry in Russia is developing ONLY thanks to Putin's instructions. And what do the rest do?
    PS I.V. Stalin in 1929 said about the economy: “We are 50-100 years behind advanced countries. We must bridge this gap in ten years. Otherwise they will crush us. ” HE said and did!
    http://www.great-country.ru/content/sssr_stat/dos_40/dos_40-033.php.Доля импорта в общем потреблении отдельных видов промышленной продукции в СССР.
    1. vikov
      vikov 26 November 2013 14: 18 New
      -4
      Do not tell, buy that Ford (GAZ) that VAZ and declare the Soviet and merit of the Party.
  16. Kulneff2009
    Kulneff2009 26 November 2013 13: 58 New
    +4
    Quote: askort154

    Ukraine will not be "Switzerland", not under Russia, not under the EU. But if they stay with Russia, they will whine for the rest of their lives that only Russia is to blame for all their troubles. Yushchenko again gave a voice: - "We, in an alliance with Russia, will always be on the sidelines." Naive or what? In the EU, all roles up to 27 seats have long been allocated.


    I often visit Ukraine. My wife’s parents are there. I can say for sure. Nobody works. And most importantly, they don’t want to !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The country is in ruins. Rackets are cooler than ours in the 90s. But a rich republic (as part of the USSR) was. And there is own gas, and there was a c / economy at the level. I recall a quote from the movie - But what is it ?! There were people like people and suddenly all at once became nerds!
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 26 November 2013 17: 10 New
      0
      Quote: Kulneff2009
      I can say for sure. Nobody works. And most importantly, they don’t want to!

      And what shisha live on?
  17. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 26 November 2013 14: 26 New
    +2
    Undoubtedly, military products should be created only from components of domestic production. It is categorically impossible to categorize the combat readiness of the Armed Forces of Russia depending on the whims of the political elite of the neighbors (albeit a friendly country). Cooperation in the field of Civil Aviation is mutually beneficial and must evolve. But, unfortunately, such cooperation with neighbors is tight. This is where you need to make efforts to improve mutually beneficial cooperation.
  18. kafa
    kafa 26 November 2013 14: 52 New
    -1
    flipped through ...........
    Pukin is right, our plants must be brought back to normal. so that the aircraft is 100% domestic from the chassis to the parachute smile
  19. kaktus
    kaktus 26 November 2013 15: 43 New
    +1
    It is high time! It is still possible to restore ... The first satellite was launched 12 years after the war. And now - since the beginning of the millennium, the 13th year .. am
  20. So_o_tozh
    So_o_tozh 26 November 2013 16: 33 New
    -1
    Quote: uhu189
    And who is driving Ukraine into a dead end? Is it Russia that brought Ukraine to such a state?

    Do you sell the most expensive gas in Europe to enemies? And the monthly trade wars? This is called coercion, so enter the TS will be your happiness ...

    Or almost weekly circus performances in the Rada are the machinations of Russia? Nobody touched you, nobody infringed you, it was time for a fool to bring at least some elementary order in the country. Something your oligarchs are not ready to do at least something.

    This is our pain and our shame, I do not mind.

    You are like a Ukrainian, and you are thinking of your country as a cheap banana republic - to sell yourself both that and that, to squeeze everything out of everyone, but to get rich from it ...

    Not like, but for sure, so it’s a shame for the state when the neighbors only think about forcing the union ...

    Nobody will give you any maxima, since conditions and preferences give reliable allies, to whom Ukraine in its present state no longer applies.

    Therefore, if you want us allies, offer as much as possible ...

    If it were my will, you would go to Europe, and you would live there not long and not happily, until this nonsense from the heads of people has disappeared. So no, butting for you for some reason ... although along the way in Ukraine itself, most do not need it yet ...

    This is not yet known, there was no experience yet ...
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 26 November 2013 22: 47 New
      0
      Quote: So_o_tozh
      Do you sell the most expensive gas in Europe to enemies? And the monthly trade wars? This is called coercion, so enter the TS will be your happiness ...
      So buy cheap gas in Europe. Indeed, for this, you don’t even need to pull a pipe, it goes through Ukraine anyway: they took it from the one that pumps gas for Germany and paid it off.

      By the way, someday try to subtract from the price of gas for Ukraine the price for its transit through Ukraine (the highest in Europe). Interesting numbers will turn out. And it will immediately become clear why it is more profitable for Russia to build new pipelines around Ukraine than to pay it for transit.
  21. Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 26 November 2013 17: 08 New
    0
    Quote: rolik2
    On what basis?

    And just as a competitor. They will buy and close so that the price is not brought down.
  22. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 26 November 2013 17: 50 New
    +1
    I agree with GDPR, but here's how to do it? I think it will be as always. He said "It is necessary". And ............. everything, like everything was decided on its own. I think V. Putin should learn from I. Stalin, who knew all directors of strategically important factories by name, and therefore always called personally and knew what was there going on. And then he blurted out to the public and forgot. "And nothing has changed". Therefore, there is a saying "Do not wag the bags with your tongue."
  23. Pioneer007
    Pioneer007 26 November 2013 19: 12 New
    0
    Mr. Putin does not want to tell how they, together with Sobchak, completed a deal with rare-earth metals (from strategic reserves of the USSR), which then went to the West. In the manufacture of engines for aviation, these metals are necessary.
    1. 31231
      31231 26 November 2013 19: 40 New
      -1
      At the beginning of the video "Marina Solye on the joint work of Putin and Sobchak. Radio Liberty 2010."
      Blessed, would you still post something with Yehu Matzah.
    2. 31231
      31231 26 November 2013 19: 40 New
      -3
      At the beginning of the video "Marina Solye on the joint work of Putin and Sobchak. Radio Liberty 2010."
      Blessed, would you still post something with Yehu Matzah.
      1. Pioneer007
        Pioneer007 26 November 2013 20: 10 New
        +1
        Turn on your brains. Your idol for the one you are writing about has done much more than you can imagine from your innate poor mind.
        Marina Salier was born on October 19, 1934 in Leningrad, in the family of a mining engineer, teacher of the Leningrad Mining Institute and Leningrad State University, Evgeni Aleksandrovich Salier (1904, Ekaterinoslav - 1971, Leningrad) and his second cousin Natalia Bure (1905-1944), like her husband, granddaughters of the St. Petersburg watchmaker Pavel Bure (1810-1882). In 1941-1942 she was in the besieged Leningrad. After graduation, she entered the Geological Faculty of Leningrad State University with a degree in Geologist-Geochemist and successfully graduated from it in 1957. After graduate school in 1960-1963, she worked first as a senior, and later as a leading researcher. From 1989 to August 1990, she held the position of scientific adviser to the institute. Since 1985 - Doctor of Geological and Mineralogical Sciences. Until 1990, she worked at the Institute of Geology and Geochronology of Precambrian Academy of Sciences of the USSR. The author of more than one hundred scientific works on geology. Since 1987, Marina Salier has been an activist and leader of democratic organizations and movements in Leningrad. Since 1989, she was a member of the organizing committee of the constituent congress of the Leningrad People's Front (FLNP), a member of the coordination council and board of the FLNP. From 1989 to 1990, she served as the leader of the Interregional Association of Democratic Organizations (MADO). Companions jokingly called her "the grandmother of Russian democracy." In 1990-1993, Marina Salier was a deputy of the Leningrad City Council and became chairman of the food commission. From January 1992, Salier worked as a member of the Small Council of the St. Petersburg City Council, and from April 14, 1992, she acted as Permanent Representative of the St. Petersburg City Council to the Supreme Council of Russia.
      2. Pioneer007
        Pioneer007 26 November 2013 20: 16 New
        +1
        Vladimir Putin and his past
        Marina Salier passed away on the 78th year of life on March 21 this year in the city of Ostrov in the Pskov region. In the village in the Pskov region, Salje has lived for the past ten years. She left after the results of the parliamentary investigation that Marina Salier conducted in the Legislative Assembly of St. Petersburg (Lensovet) in 1991-1992 became widely known. The result of the investigation was the accusation of Vladimir Putin - members of the commission actually incriminated him the theft of natural resources worth more than $ 100 million. Chairman of the Committee on Foreign Relations of St. Petersburg City Hall Vladimir Putin and his deputy signed the necessary export licenses. In exchange, food was supposed to arrive in Petersburg, but it did not. The results of the deputy’s investigation were transferred to the prosecutor’s office, but no case was opened.
        “It’s clear that a massive scam has occurred. According to the assessment of that time, the amount of damage was over $ 120 million. Raw materials, including scarce ones, were exported outside Russia. A colossal amount of resources was exported. 750 thousand cubic meters of forest alone - this was the annual volume of transshipment of the Petersburg port. Fantastic. At the same time, St. Petersburg never received food, ”said Lev Shlosberg, chairman of the Pskov regional branch of Yabloko in an interview with Radio Liberty. - I am sure that with such a scale of operations, the mayor of St. Petersburg, Anatoly Sobchak, could not help being aware of the events. In the future, it was through the efforts of Sobchka that the Ministry of Foreign Relations was brought to its knees, the position of Yegor Gaidar changed. That is, these transactions were able to lobby retroactively. The lack of reaction at the federal level was also achieved through the dismissal of Yuri Boldyrev from the Control Department of the presidential administration. The materials were sent to the prosecutor’s office, but there was no reaction. There are no other institutions by which this matter could be brought to a real investigation and trial. ”
        The politician notes that the forced retreat of Marina Salier in recent years was caused by her disappointment in politics. “Salier was completely disappointed in the people with whom she began her democratic work. First of all, it’s Chubais, to whom she said “you completely lost the credit of my trust” after it was proposed at one coordinating council of democratic forces to support Putin, and Chubais’s vote decided the result of the vote. Realizing what was happening, Salier wrote an article that came out March 18, 2000, stating that Putin would be “the president of a corrupt oligarchy.” Then absolutely no one heard this warning. And the article was visionary. Everything that subsequently happened to the country is written there, ”says Leo Schlosberg.
  24. Aeneas
    Aeneas 26 November 2013 20: 13 New
    +1
    The gestures to ban aviation Ukrainian dviguns are not new. And Motor Sich is preparing for this unpleasant process. Everything goes to the fact that the MC will produce ... helicopters. In the meantime, it will supply the kits to Klimov, where they will be made "domestic", as is already happening for cruise missiles in Dubna. Motor Sich, a private office with an energetic "red director" at its head, will find other markets, for today about a third of MS products are supplied to Russia ... But in light of the purchases by Russians of French and Italian dviguns, including for the military, Putin's pathos is not quite intelligible.
  25. APASUS
    APASUS 26 November 2013 20: 39 New
    +4
    Or is the article so written, or is Putin not catching up with something?
    What do we produce equipment for the aircraft industry or ahead of the planet all on engine technology. To do this, we had to invest in R&D for about 10 years, and not only in aircraft manufacturing, but also in machine tools, electronics, powder metallurgy and even a bunch of related industries.
    1. lucidlook
      lucidlook 26 November 2013 22: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: APASUS
      Or is the article so written, or is Putin not catching up with something?

      Or another hurray-stuffing for the population from the series "We must rejoice, we must not strain."
  26. Pioneer007
    Pioneer007 26 November 2013 21: 19 New
    0
    Putin, said what even a stupid dvoechnik knows in the sixth grade. Like a tick grabbed power and says everything, says, says it right. And the Serdyukovs, Chubais, Abramovichs, Veksilbergs do everything ... And this one tells us everything. He has such a job. Tryndet and thieves cover.
    1. Onyx
      Onyx 26 November 2013 22: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: Pioneer007
      Like a tick grabbed power and says everything, says, says it right.

      In fact, 64% of voters voted for him. So there’s nothing to say that he grabbed somewhere
  27. So_o_tozh
    So_o_tozh 27 November 2013 11: 49 New
    +1
    Quote: Bad_gr
    Quote: So_o_tozh
    Do you sell the most expensive gas in Europe to enemies? And the monthly trade wars? This is called coercion, so enter the TS will be your happiness ...
    So buy cheap gas in Europe. Indeed, for this, you don’t even need to pull a pipe, it goes through Ukraine anyway: they took it from the one that pumps gas for Germany and paid it off.

    By the way, someday try to subtract from the price of gas for Ukraine the price for its transit through Ukraine (the highest in Europe). Interesting numbers will turn out. And it will immediately become clear why it is more profitable for Russia to build new pipelines around Ukraine than to pay it for transit.


    This is a blatant lie, the cost of Russian gas for Germany is $ 318,96 per thousand cubic meters. m. and this taking into account transit. And to you in pursuit read http://izvestia.kiev.ua/ru/news/8713
    It would be fair to pay a price for Germany minus transit and minus 100 bucks for the Black Sea Fleet ...
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 27 November 2013 20: 07 New
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      ".... The formula for the price of gas and gas transit for Ukraine does not differ from the formula for other European countries, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said following a meeting of the Russian-Ukrainian Committee on Economic Cooperation." The formula for the price of natural gas for everyone our partners in Europe is universal. The Ukrainian side proposes to change it and put other components into it, but we cannot lay down different components for different countries. We do not write a formula, the price fluctuates in accordance with the world market, "he said. Putin stressed that the price for transit, like the price for gas, is calculated according to a certain formula and also depends on the world market situation." and the price of transit depends on each other, and the cost of transit will rise when the price of gas rises, "he explained ....."
      http://quote.rbc.ru/news/fond/2011/0608/33316351.html

      And this will probably continue until all export gas bypasses Ukraine:

      ".... Gazprom and its European consumers are concerned about the rate at which Ukraine is taking gas from underground storage facilities. Such an intensive" pumping out "of gas may make transit to Europe impossible in winter, said Vitaly Markelov, Deputy Chairman of the Board of Gazprom

      “The Ukrainian colleagues began sampling gas when the winter period had not yet arrived. With such a rate of sampling, by the beginning of the cold snap, about 14 billion cubic meters might remain in the Ukrainian underground storage facilities,” Markelov stated.

      "This is a disaster. In such conditions, the transit of gas from Russia in winter conditions is impossible due to the fact that there is not enough gas in the underground storage facilities to compensate for the selection of Ukrainian consumers," he said ..... "
      http://rus.ruvr.ru/news/2013_11_14/Markelov-Ukraina-mozhet-sdelat-nevozmozhnim-t
      ranzit-gaza-v-Evropu-1819 /

      http://www.1tv.ru/news/world/246182
      http://izvestia.ru/news/560792