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Casus belli. China shows who is the boss in the East China Sea

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Casus belli. China shows who is the boss in the East China Sea

Territorial disputes are gradually pushing the Asia-Pacific region to the start of a serious regional conflict. China challenged Japan and South Korea, irritating their US ally. Beijing’s unilateral decision to expand the air defense zone in the East China Sea, including the disputed territories that Tokyo and Seoul consider to be theirs, could become a classic cause for the outbreak of war in the future. Both China and Japan have declared their readiness to protect their airspace. The United States immediately announced its readiness to fulfill allied obligations to Japan.


The region is drifting more and more towards serious regional conflicts. Almost all the countries of the Asia-Pacific region are conducting an arms race, especially naval and air, which is related to the specifics of the region. Especially recently, the conflict between China and Japan has intensified. Old historical enemies have not forgotten past grievances. The global systemic crisis is pushing them toward the traditional solution to such conflicts. In the long run, the Pacific Ocean can again become the scene of fierce sea and air battles, bloody landing operations.

It all started with the fact that Beijing unilaterally changed the status of the disputed territories. This was reported by the official news agency of the Government of the People’s Republic of China "Xinhua". Last weekend, the Ministry of Defense of China announced the creation of an identification zone of air defense in the East China Sea. Beijing now requires that all aircraft entering the air defense zone are required to provide in advance information identifying them and information about their route. In case of refusal, the Chinese reserve the right to apply "exceptional defensive measures." The air defense zone over the Japan-controlled Senkaku Islands (Diaoyu) was included in the new air defense zone. The Chinese air defense zone also seized space above the South Korean-owned Iodo submarine rock near Jeju Island. In addition, 25 in November, the Chinese side announced its intention to create similar zones in other areas in the future.

Naturally, the actions of the PRC immediately caused a sharp reaction from Japan and South Korea. The Senkaku Islands are the subject of a territorial dispute between Japan, the Republic of China (Taiwan) and the PRC. The islands were incorporated into the Japanese Empire in 1895. Prior to this, the Senkaku Islands were “no one’s land”, they were neither part of the island of Taiwan nor part of the Pescador Islands, which were ceded to the Japanese Empire of the Celestial Empire in accordance with the Treaty of Shimonoseki. Then Qing China was defeated by Japan and was forced to cede a number of territories. After the defeat of the Japanese Empire in World War II, Senkaku, along with some other territories, came under US jurisdiction. In 1970, the Americans returned Okinawa to the Japanese together with the Senkaku archipelago. At the start of the 1990, the Chinese government declared the islands to be the "original Chinese territory". According to Beijing, the archipelago should be returned to China in accordance with the provisions of the Cairo Declaration 1943 of the year, according to which Japan was deprived of the occupied territories. For the first time, China and Taiwan showed interest in the islands at the end of the 1960s - the beginning of the 1970s, when UN research showed the possibility of hydrocarbon reserves on the shelf of the East China Sea. Since then, Beijing and Taipei began to make the first statements about the "Chinese" affiliation of the islands.

The territorial conflict between the two great Asian powers escalated in 2012, when Japanese authorities announced the nationalization of the archipelago through its purchase from private owners. Beijing immediately voiced a sharp protest, a wave of anti-Japanese demonstrations and even pogroms swept across China. Since then, in the area of ​​the islands, there have been regular incidents involving the appearance of ships and aircraft of the two countries. From that moment, Japan undertook a series of anti-Chinese actions: Tokyo announced its intention to create a special unit to protect disputed islands; the military budget was increased; the buildup of naval armaments continues; The military strategy was adjusted so as to strengthen the military component in the southern direction (previously, the main threat came from the north, from the USSR-Russia). In addition, Tokyo plans to abandon the restrictions imposed on military construction after the defeat in World War II, returning the offensive potential to the armed forces (Pacific Rim: The Awakening of the Samurai Spirit in Japan).

In China, semi-official claims began to appear on other Japanese territories. In particular, it was stated that the Ryukyu archipelago, the largest island of which is Okinawa, had been part of the Chinese empire since the 14th century. At the same time, Beijing began regularly sending its patrol ships and airplanes to the disputed territories, which caused an immediate reaction from Tokyo. So far there have been no military incidents, but in such a situation it is a matter of time. Only in the first half of 2013 of the year, about fifty cases occurred when Chinese ships entered the waters of the Senkaku Islands.

China’s decision to expand the air defense zone in the East China Sea, according to Japanese Foreign Minister Fumio Kisida, could have “irreversible consequences.” The head of the Japanese Foreign Ministry expressed a strong protest. Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, speaking in parliament on Monday, said that by trying to change the existing order of things, relying on force, Japan "will respond with all determination to defend its territorial waters and airspace." The meeting of the head of government and parliamentarians took place precisely in connection with the Chinese statement. The head of the Japanese Defense Ministry, Itsunori Onodera, also confirmed on Monday the state’s determination to protect its national interests. The minister called the situation “dangerous” and “unpredictable,” and expressed willingness to take “tough measures” against violators of Japanese airspace.

The Chinese ambassador to Tokyo, Chen Yonghua, was summoned to the Japanese Foreign Ministry. Japan reiterated its strong protest against the actions of the PRC and demanded that the Chinese side declare the decision to create an air defense zone over the East China Sea null and void. The Chinese ambassador said both sides should avoid unforeseen situations. And this situation is quite possible. According to the US authorities, on Saturday, the Chinese Air Force began patrolling the disputed area. Towards the Chinese aircraft, among which were two early-detection aircraft, the Japanese interceptors have risen. In such a situation, the beginning of a regional conflict can be the “human factor”.

Seoul is also alarmed by Beijing’s actions. According to Seoul, the Chinese air defense zone intersects with the South Korean air defense zone in the area west of Jeju Island. China and South Korea also have a territorial dispute. Moreover, it is very original: the two powers do not even claim a tiny island, but the Iodo underwater rock (the Chinese name is Xu'ian). There is no bubbling of emotions, as between Japan and China, but both sides take a "principled position." This underwater rock, whose summit is located in 4-5 meters from the surface, is located in 149 km from the Korean island of Marado and in 247 km from the Chinese territory. Iodo is located at the intersection of South Korean and Chinese exclusive economic zones.

Iodo is also known for the fact that the rock "Su" is mentioned in the Chinese treatise "The Book of Mountains and Seas." True, the accuracy of the location of the island "Su" is unknown. The mythical legend about the rock is in Korean culture. According to Korean beliefs, the Iodo rock is a haven of souls of dead sailors and fishermen. The expression "see Iodo" means to perish at sea. Thus, politics intersects with mythology, and Seoul and Beijing argue because of a very gloomy place.

According to international law, the dispute over this rock is baseless, since, according to the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, an underwater rock cannot be declared by any country as its territory. The controversy between South Korea and China, then fading away, now flaming up with a new force, has been going on for more than a year. Sluggish consultations on this issue have continued since 1996. In 2003, the Koreans built an automatic weather station based on the rock. Then the Chinese side said it did not recognize the sovereignty of South Korea over this rock. In the summer of 2011, China sent patrol ships to the area, demanding that the South Korean ship be in the area to stop the rescue work there. At the end of 2011, Beijing announced plans to begin regular patrols of the area. And the head of the State Oceanographic Administration of China confirmed that China has the rights to sea and air patrols in the area of ​​the Iodo cliff. China has added a rock to the list of objects that are within Chinese borders. In response, the South Korean president said that the rock Iodo will forever remain under the control of South Korea. Then both sides quieted down, clearly “dropping turns” and extinguishing the passions.

In the fall of 2012, there were reports that China wanted to monitor the disputed area with the help of unmanned aerial vehicles. In Seoul, voiced plans for the construction of a large naval base on the island of Jeju. One of its tasks will be to protect the interests of South Korea in the Iodo region. At the same time, within the framework of the development of the armed forces, a strong naval unit will be created, the so-called "Tokto-Iodo squadron". This compound will be focused on protecting the national interests of South Korea in areas that it has challenged Japan and China. So, the Japanese claim Dokdo Island (Liancourt).

It is also obvious that Seoul’s recent plans to build air power are also associated with increased instability in the Asia-Pacific region. Seoul nevertheless decided not to continue the tender for the purchase of a large batch of fighters, but simply to buy 40 American 5 aircraft of the F-35A generation. This is the largest defense order in the history of Kazakhstan, it has already been called the “deal of the century”. F-35A will enter the troops during the period from 2018 to 2021 years. This decision was made on November 22 at a meeting of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan. At the same time, the military said that for the modernization of the Air Force it is necessary to buy 60 vehicles, so the issue of acquiring 20 vehicles will also be resolved. Seoul believes that the purchase of forty F-35A will significantly increase the strike power of the aircraft. However, the purchase of American "invisibles" does not solve the problem of the shortage of 50-80 fighters, as soon obsolete F-4 and F-5 will be decommissioned, and new aircraft will not be put into service yet. Therefore, almost simultaneously with the decision to buy American 5-generation fighters, Seoul announced the launch of a program to create a national “invisible” aircraft. Korea plans to build such machines before 120 and export them abroad. The project starts from the beginning of the 2014 year. For the first time in Kazakhstan, the question was raised about the program for creating their own new-generation fighter in the 1999 year. In 2003-2012 several times conducted evaluations of the feasibility of the KF-X project. But then they decided that the creation of their own fighter is unjustified for a number of factors. In particular, Koreans themselves will not be able to create stealth technology. In 2010, Indonesia announced its participation in the project. Now Seoul decided to give it a try.

The activity of Beijing is concerned and Washington. State Department, the Pentagon and the White House immediately made statements condemning the People's Republic of China. US Secretary of State John Kerry called China’s unilateral actions an attempt to “change the status quo in the East China Sea,” which will increase tensions in the region and create risks of incidents. The Secretary of State called on the PRC not to execute its threat and not to take any action against aircraft that do not obey the orders of the Chinese authorities. In early December, John Kerry plans to visit the countries of Southeast Asia, including Japan, South Korea and China. Apparently, the growth of tension in the region will become one of the main topics of the trip of the American Secretary of State.

The head of the US defense department, Chuck Hagel, recalled that the allied promises of the United States towards Japan extend to the Senkaku archipelago. According to the 5 article of the Security Treaty, which was concluded between the US and Japan in 1960, an attack on Senkak could be regarded by Washington as a threat to national security. According to the US Secretary of Defense, the unilateral decision of the PRC to create an air defense zone over the Senkaku Islands will not prevent American armed forces from conducting military operations in the area and creates a threat of regional conflict due to “misunderstandings and wrong conclusions” that participants in the dispute can make.

The representative of the National Security Council under the President of the United States, Caitlin Hayden, expressed concern about the "escalation of the situation, which leads to increased tension in the region and affects the interests of the United States and our allies." She warned that this situation is forcing the US to begin close consultations with its allies in the region.

Beijing, in response, actually suggested the United States not to be bothered. Representative of the Ministry of Defense of China, Yan Yujun, said that Japan has no right to make "irresponsible statements" about the affairs of China, and Washington should not indulge Tokyo in sending "adventurous signals."

What does this move mean China?

Firstly, the violation of the “existing situation” is becoming more pronounced. The dominance of the United States in the Asia-Pacific region is challenged. In Beijing, they feel the general weakening of Washington and are taking steps to strengthen their position, showing Seoul and Tokyo, who is "the master of the house." Naturally, in Japan and South Korea they are nervous and more and more forces are applied to the strengthening of the defense and offensive potential.

Secondly, inside China, the positions of the national bourgeoisie, the “capitalists” who have grown together with the party bureaucracy, are clearly strengthening. And this naturally leads to the strengthening of nationalism. In recent years, the Chinese have become accustomed to constant achievements and successes in the field of economics and military affairs. Therefore, more and more often the military, political scientists and historians are recalling territorial claims, tweaking long-forgotten pages of history. In place of Chinese socialism is nationalism with the features of socialism. With the deepening global crisis and the growing internal problems in China, this trend will constantly increase. The growth of social discontent is most easily dropped on external enemies. No wonder Chinese cinema has long been cultivating the image of the "external enemy" - the Japanese and the white barbarians.

Thirdly, the potential of a regional war in the Asia-Pacific region is constantly growing. The current actions of Beijing, sooner or later may well become a real “reason for war” (lat. Casus belli). One conscious or unconscious mistake of the Chinese or Japanese pilot, the captain of the ship - and the region can glow. And such opportunities appear more and more often. The Chinese military de facto provoke the Japanese. News About the emergence of Chinese ships and aircraft in the waters and airspace, which in Japan consider their own, come more often. As a result, quantity can turn into quality, the conflict will reach a different level.
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  1. makarov
    makarov 26 November 2013 08: 45
    +5
    China shows who host in the East China Sea, and Japan shows in response who in the East China Sea mistress
    1. domokl
      domokl 26 November 2013 10: 18
      14
      Quote: makarov
      China shows who is the master in the East China Sea, and Japan shows in response who is the mistress in the East China Sea

      laughing And the real owner sits across the ocean and fucks awesome .. What should I do? The Chinese have calculated everything correctly. One for one, the Americans can’t fight, and without them all these Korean Japanese are worthless. Not for nothing because the fleet pulled the PRC so much.
      Years through 5, maximum 10 we will also see India in all its glory ...
      1. APES
        APES 26 November 2013 11: 17
        +4
        Quote: domokl
        Years through


        You can say - everything is just beginning. and the prospects for further developments are not encouraging - few people can stay away - Switzerland may be out of habit
      2. Grandson of Veteran
        Grandson of Veteran 26 November 2013 12: 29
        +4
        "In 5 years, maximum 10, we will also see India in all its glory ..."
        And on many elements of this "beauty" there will be the mark "Made in Russia". A trifle, but nice! soldier
        1. smprofi
          smprofi 26 November 2013 20: 08
          -4
          Quote: Veteran's grandson
          Trifle, but nice!

          it will be especially pleasant when products with a similar stigma, on the edge, "stolen from the Soviet (Russian)" will be hammered through cities in the Far East and in Siberia?
          everything is all right with the head? !!!
          1. Grandson of Veteran
            Grandson of Veteran 26 November 2013 20: 32
            +3
            "Is your head all right? !!!"
            More than you can imagine.
            "will hammer in cities in the Far East and Siberia"
            The war of India with the Russian Federation? Tip, take care of your own tomogram GM, I'm scared for your health. Brain cancer
            1. smprofi
              smprofi 26 November 2013 21: 18
              +1
              Quote: Veteran's grandson
              The war of India with the Russian Federation?

              what have those slippers got to do with it? the conversation is about hunghus. and they shade not only to the sea borders but also "somewhat" to the north



              1. Grandson of Veteran
                Grandson of Veteran 26 November 2013 23: 34
                0
                "what have those slippers got to do with it?"
                I was not talking about the historical claims of individual ethnic groups, but about the territorial and political claims of the EXISTING STATES (India vs China vs Pakistan, etc.)! You probably misunderstood me. In any case, do not be so harsh in statements and do not get personal. I compensate my minus with a plus. hi
      3. smile
        smile 26 November 2013 15: 30
        +2
        domok
        You are of course right. But I would not underestimate the Japanese Navy. He is strong enough.
    2. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 26 November 2013 16: 39
      +2
      This will be a mess =)
      1. SSR
        SSR 26 November 2013 22: 05
        +3
        Quote: Max_Bauder
        This will be a mess =)

        Do not forget, the woods are chopped off, and Kazakhstan also has a common border with China. My imha, if the region is blazing, God forbid without Russia and the former republics of the USSR and there will be nothing funny in this mess, but there will be a tragedy of millions, billions of people.
        1. Max_Bauder
          Max_Bauder 27 November 2013 16: 22
          0
          Yes, you’re probably right, but no one will listen to us smile it’s better to get ready together, do the exercises in order to give a joint rebuff to any enemy in the Second World War, and we’ll be sure, because we’ll fight for the good for our native land against an external aggressor drinks
  2. stayer
    stayer 26 November 2013 08: 57
    14
    Beijing is gaining strength. The forum recently dismantled that he needed training in the form of a small war. Controversial territories can initiate this training. And if China does not get too tough during this training, then imperial ambitions will increase very much. Then all the neighbors will have to worry. Including India and Russia. And about smaller Nepal, Mongolia and other Laos, and can not speak.
    1. smile
      smile 26 November 2013 15: 41
      +5
      stayer
      Well, a land war will not be there. Everything will be limited to the actions of aviation and the navy. Regardless of who takes it, none of the parties will gain anything, it will only suffer absolutely meaningless losses, including very significant financial losses. I don’t have a clue as to what this comes to Japan — the second debtor on the planet, but it’s certainly not good for China either. I do not think that they do not understand this.
      And if they get involved in this conflict, then for some time they will obviously have to forget about expansion to the North, since the conflict can become protracted and devour a lot of resources, because neither side can destroy the enemy (I don’t think that the Chinese will start brandishing a nuclear club ), and they are all vindictive there, as my cat-revanchist revenge will be cherished for decades.

      So, that, from this brawl, we probably won’t lose anything, if both Koreas are not set on fire under this noise, then everything will be shitty.
      1. stayer
        stayer 27 November 2013 08: 17
        +2
        I agree with almost every word. However, disputed territories do not come easily. There is nothing there, and there will be no benefit from a piece of basalt rock. But this is an opportunity to show your strength. Train your diplomats, strain your media, look at the reaction and capabilities of other countries and their allies.
        In this case, there is always the opportunity to roll back. Those. for example, if you go to war in a country, such as Japan or Russia, the consequences can be disastrous. And you can fight for a piece of rock. In the case of poor development of the script, step back and make a noble gesture, they say take it away, we really do not need it.
        With successful development, on the contrary, to blow the whole world that this is our original land, we have returned a valuable island. We will continue to defend our interests.
        The next piece (war) will be larger and larger. This cannot be allowed.
    2. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 26 November 2013 16: 41
      +1
      Now that's scary. I hope the Chinese will "calm down".
    3. Bagatur
      Bagatur 26 November 2013 22: 08
      +2
      CHINA, JAPAN, KOREA .... here's a "little war"))))) Well ... the Asians are empty, for Russia this is the best ...
      1. smile
        smile 27 November 2013 05: 20
        +1
        Bagatur
        Well, maybe it’s not the best thing, if it’s good, if war is pouring near at hand .... but still it’s better than they climb to us ....
  3. Ihrek
    Ihrek 26 November 2013 09: 03
    +2
    In any case, a military clash will end very badly for both sides. Economic losses will be much higher than the possible benefits of these islands.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 26 November 2013 09: 12
      10
      China step by step takes over the entire Pacific region and makes it clear to the United States that the aforementioned region is the zone of vital interests of China and not the United States. Japan and South Korea alone can not cope with the power of China or oppose anything. Therefore, all their hope in the USA.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 26 November 2013 17: 16
        +9
        You underestimate Japan. And you greatly underestimate it. Although it has only the Self-Defense Forces instead of the army, the training and equipment are among the best in the world, and the budget is huge. And in China, most of the equipment is copies of Soviet and American models of the 70-80s. And I remind you, China has not won a single stink in which it participated. And Japan alone at one time shredded China to pieces without any problems.
        1. i.xxx-1971
          i.xxx-1971 29 November 2013 01: 41
          0
          She and the United States shredded with England without any problems
  4. ZU-23
    ZU-23 26 November 2013 10: 11
    +1
    Let China rule there, and the old forecasts come true that quietly China does not look in our direction, he wants to rule in the Asia-Pacific region, and at the same time our rear will be covered.
    1. gsg955
      gsg955 26 November 2013 13: 25
      +5
      And he will still look ...
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 26 November 2013 17: 16
      +1
      Well hto give him something?
  5. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 26 November 2013 10: 18
    +8
    I will tell you more. When looking at a map, it’s quite obvious that Hokaido is simply the largest of the Kuril Islands and therefore native Russian land. Just in case, it's time to prepare the landing for release.
    1. FRITZ LANG
      FRITZ LANG 26 November 2013 11: 49
      -2
      About native Russian lands pliz in more detail .....
      1. washi
        washi 26 November 2013 12: 04
        +5
         FRITZ LANG  Today, 11:49 ↑
        About native Russian lands pliz in more detail .....
        Hokkaido was the original territory of the Ainu. The last Ainu live on the territory of the Russian Federation.
        Claim genocide and return of territory (Palestine example).
        1. FRITZ LANG
          FRITZ LANG 26 November 2013 12: 54
          +2
          thus, half the world can make claims to each other, because somewhere a donkey does not give the right to make territorial claims and declare originality
          1. smile
            smile 26 November 2013 15: 47
            +1
            FRITZ LANG
            Well, the article states. that the Chinese began to recall the primordial Chinese character of the Ryukyu-arch archipelago in the 14th century, they belonged to them ... only over half a millennium ago ... and are we worse? :)))
            Sorry, didn’t you notice that chunga-changa and Vasya are just joking? :)))
            Really, well, you can’t be so serious :)))
            1. Walker1975
              Walker1975 26 November 2013 18: 11
              +2
              Now Mongolia will remember China about what belonged to whom in the 12-13 centuries.
    2. GDP
      GDP 26 November 2013 16: 07
      +2
      According to the agreement with the USSR allies, it was necessary to occupy not only the Kuril Islands and southern Sakhalin, but also the Hokaido ... However, the Americans did not keep their promise. By the way, Hokaido was formally part of the Russian Empire for some time, some of the local Ainu tribes swore allegiance to the Russian Empire. There was even a settlement of our Cossacks ...
      The Kuril Islands themselves were almost under the protection of the United States if not for the heroism of our soldiers ...
    3. smprofi
      smprofi 26 November 2013 20: 19
      0
      Quote: chunga-changa
      When looking at a map, it’s quite obvious that Hokaido is simply the largest of the Kuril Islands and therefore native Russian land. Just in case, it's time to prepare the landing for release.

      how was it in the classics?
      In the queue of bitches, children in the queue!

      Hunghuz already tell Nippon about the skeletons (not only the current "controversial" ones, but also about Okinawa) and that it is time to give it back.
      and while you or anyone else just gathers with the presentation, so the Hunhuz have already done so.
      "smaller brothers" have grown, Grown up!
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  7. S-200
    S-200 26 November 2013 10: 41
    +4
    Quote: ZU-23
    Let China rule there, and the old forecasts come true that quietly China doesn’t look in our direction, he wants to rule in the Asia-Pacific region, and at the same time our rear will cover

    China has territorial claims against all neighbors.
    Their Chinese pragmatism holds back the aggravation of conflicts along the entire perimeter of borders ...
    But, someday our turn will come ...
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 26 November 2013 10: 54
      -13 qualifying.
      Blizzard. China is our ally, we will begin to share the states with it faster than they ask us for something, what we could have already given them, then all claims will be simply groundless.
      1. voin777
        voin777 26 November 2013 12: 19
        +4
        here on the foreign press page there is an article that says what China wants from Russia
        1. ZU-23
          ZU-23 26 November 2013 16: 49
          +1
          you said it all yourself, on the INOpress page
      2. gsg955
        gsg955 26 November 2013 13: 27
        +5
        With such an "ally" and enemies are not necessary.
      3. Sergey_K
        Sergey_K 26 November 2013 19: 39
        +1
        Russia has two allies and China is not among them.
  8. AK-47
    AK-47 26 November 2013 10: 46
    +1
    ...recently conflict intensified China and Japan. Old historical enemies Do not forget past grievances. The global systemic crisis is pushing them aside traditional solutions similar conflicts. In the long run, the Pacific may again become an arena fierce sea and air battlesbloody landing operations.

    Precisely captured, the world is on the verge of a world war, it is enough to light a match.
  9. Hektor
    Hektor 26 November 2013 11: 03
    +3
    China step by step takes over the entire Pacific region and makes it clear to the United States that the aforementioned region is a vital area of ​​China and not the United States.


    China can’t clean up the underwater rock 100 km from its coast, what can we say about the entire Pacific region ...
    The reaction of countries is generally indicative for me. Seoul, Tokyo, and Washington all came out against Beijing, forgetting about their small and big differences. In the future, with the increasing frequency of such statements by Beijing, the anti-Chinese alliance, which already exists in the form of numerous mutual assistance agreements between the pro-American countries of the western part of the Pacific Ocean, will be formalized into the "Western Pacific Treaty Organization."
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 26 November 2013 11: 17
      +2
      quote-Territorial disputes are gradually pushing the Asia-Pacific region to the onset of a serious regional conflict. China challenged Japan and South Korea, irritating their US ally.

      Video in the subject.
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      1. ZU-23
        ZU-23 26 November 2013 11: 57
        +3
        Yes, of course, what kind of American businessman will transfer production back, then their iPhones will cost a couple of thousand bucks and not when there will be no kilometer queue of idiots there.
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      3. S-200
        S-200 26 November 2013 12: 02
        +1
        Quote: Ascetic
        The United States wants to bring factories back, and the Chinese will push the dollar back on the world stage in response. The main change in the Chinese economy occurred in 2008-2009, when the national economy began to focus on domestic demand. The entire post-crisis growth of the state’s economy is largely associated with this, and the further development of China in the future will depend on the increase in domestic consumption.

        the American version of the growth of GDP and the country's economy from its domestic consumption (conducted additional emission and distributed unemployment benefits) can be projected on China if the yuan becomes the main world currency ... and this is power over the world ... WHO WILL ALLOW IT? ???
        the growth of domestic consumption certainly stimulates the country's economy in a certain way, but what about Russia, and even more so in semi-poor China ... these are not strong enough incentives
      4. rolik
        rolik 26 November 2013 12: 53
        +2
        Quote: Ascetic
        . The entire post-crisis growth of the state’s economy is largely associated with this, and the further development of China in the future will depend on the increase in domestic consumption.

        It should also be added about the abolition of the old law "One family - one child". An increase in domestic demand is impossible without an increase in the population. If such dances have gone with the announcement of restricted areas, then it is necessary to cover the future (possible) decline in the male population.
        Well, the opponents of China, the main thing is not to find your Rust, who decides to try to check the permeability of this zone)))))))
      5. Andrew 447
        Andrew 447 26 November 2013 13: 41
        +4
        Reorienting the economy to domestic demand is nothing more than a declaration of intent, I’ll explain: 1.80-85% of the goods produced in China are not needed by the Chinese themselves, their task is to eat No. 1, buy a good mobile phone, number 2, buy a house (this is almost not real, in cities with a population of more than 3 thousand people. the price of 500 m1 from $ 2, the average salary of the manager 2000-600 $) 800. Prices for non-food products in stores are not lower than ours, and sometimes higher (an example in a shopping center an ordinary LCD TV is not LED; the Chinese brand is more expensive than Samsung LED than in Russia) .2. The bulk of the population has an income of $ 3-200 per month, this is enough for food (they practically do not cook at home), for a communal apartment and communication.
      6. ed65b
        ed65b 26 November 2013 15: 21
        +3
        Quote: Ascetic
        and the Chinese in response will push the dollar on the world stage.

        And the United States in response will say we forgive everyone who we owe and China will collapse with a ringing in tar tarara along with the rest of the world.
    3. Viator
      Viator 27 November 2013 09: 59
      0
      Nobody, I think, will transfer production back to the USA or the EU, otherwise the prime cost will fly up into the stratosphere. But in some Vietnam or Bangladesh - easily. There, people still just want to survive, without imperial ambitions ...
  11. crambol
    crambol 26 November 2013 11: 44
    +3
    In China, semi-official claims to other Japanese territories began to appear.

    And as Papuan scholars found out, the Japanese archipelago is the essence of the continental shelf of Russia. So the Chinese should beware.
  12. S-200
    S-200 26 November 2013 11: 52
    +2
    Quote: ZU-23
    Blizzard. China is our ally, we will begin to share the states with it faster than they ask us for something, what we could have already given them, then all claims will be simply groundless

    we have a lot of soil ... on which China is drooling!
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 26 November 2013 12: 06
      +1
      Well, with such a show off to anyone in the world our resources will not hurt!)))
    2. washi
      washi 26 November 2013 12: 15
      +4
      Quote: S-200
      Quote: ZU-23
      Blizzard. China is our ally, we will begin to share the states with it faster than they ask us for something, what we could have already given them, then all claims will be simply groundless

      we have a lot of soil ... on which China is drooling!

      On old Chinese maps, Our territory was designated as dead land.
      See maps of China's populations, soils, and average temperatures. Compare with our Far East and Siberia.
      Only Russians can constantly live in Russia. The rest either survive or gangster.
  13. washi
    washi 26 November 2013 12: 10
    +1
    Given the amount of gold reserves, China could collapse both the euro and the dollar. Raising wages to his agricultural sector, it will increase the purchasing power of the population.
    The Russian Federation will not be alarmed if the use of nuclear weapons does not occur.
  14. voin777
    voin777 26 November 2013 12: 11
    +1
    Is China going one against all?) If only Russia does not decide to help the Chinese or remain silent and everything will be normal, or you can even take back from the Chinese the territory that Putin gave away in 2004, that’s what I think)
  15. voin777
    voin777 26 November 2013 12: 20
    0
    only there is a small problem, we have a military treaty with China, it would be an interesting option if Russia entered into a "secret" coalition against China.
    1. MstislavHrabr
      MstislavHrabr 26 November 2013 13: 39
      +3
      If China rips apart industrial enterprises in Japan and Korea and comes into conflict with the United States, refusing to use the dollar as a currency ... The world will be different. It’s completely different ... We just don’t need to interfere in any conflicts and everything will be the way ...
  16. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
    +1
    God, how now the Japanese are shaking from indignation, like during an earthquake probably ... Shinzo Abe will soon turn into some kind of wash off
    1. smile
      smile 26 November 2013 15: 55
      0
      Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
      Do not underestimate the Japanese, not those people who are used to rinse off.
  17. Belogor
    Belogor 26 November 2013 12: 45
    +2
    In my opinion, all these territorial disputes over small islands are nothing more than a simulator for demonstrating muscles. A way to show your neighbors who is who in this region. Despite the warlike rhetoric, no one goes beyond what is permissible, at least for now. After all, everyone perfectly understands the consequences.
  18. -Patriot-
    -Patriot- 26 November 2013 12: 49
    +3
    Fledged China ... I decided to go to full growth. Bad situation in the Asia-Pacific, oh bad ...
  19. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 26 November 2013 12: 59
    +3
    Historical memory is the strongest thing, we know by ourselves. Therefore, the Chinese fiercely hate Japan and, by the way, do not have this in relation to Russia.
    With South Korea, this is also a big question, because Japan did a lot of business there too.
    So, if it blazes, then Japan and China and Korea can begin to take revenge. While, oddly enough, the United States acts as a peacemaker there.
    1. Andrew 447
      Andrew 447 26 November 2013 14: 47
      +2
      However, the Chinese bit the bit: "On Sunday, Colonel Yang Yujun, spokesman for the Chinese Ministry of Defense, called the criticism of the zone" completely unfounded. "
      According to him, the United States should stop taking an biased approach to this issue, issue “inappropriate comments” and send “false signals” that could push Japan to take “risky steps.” Beijing demands that the United States respect China’s national security and stop making “irresponsible” statements ”regarding the air defense identification zone and made“ concrete efforts ”to achieve peace and stability in the Asia-Pacific region, Yang added.

      The Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs said it made a presentation to US Ambassador Gary Locke, which called on the United States to "rectify mistakes immediately."
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 26 November 2013 15: 25
        0
        Quote: Andrew 447
        However, the Chinese bit the bit

        In will be "laugh" if the Americans surrender Japan. Maybe the Chinese intelligence got wind of something?
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 26 November 2013 17: 19
          +6
          If the Americans surrender Japan, Japan, spitting on everyone, instantly develops nuclear weapons and rivets weapons on a cosmic scale (the Japanese are capable of this) and will give an ass to China and all of Southeast Asia, as was the case in the 1930s.
          1. Peaceful military
            Peaceful military 26 November 2013 17: 34
            +1
            Quote: Greenwood
            If the Americans surrender Japan, Japan, spitting on everyone, instantly develops nuclear weapons and rivets weapons on a cosmic scale (the Japanese are capable of this) and will give an ass to China and all of Southeast Asia, as was the case in the 1930s.

            Oh how famously smile
            I would not be so categorical, especially in terms of nuclear weapons, which also need delivery vehicles. Now what was possible in the 1930s is no longer possible and vice versa.
            1. ISO
              ISO 27 November 2013 09: 48
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              Delivery vehicles have been operating for a long time: sea containers - loaded a package with detonation at the opening and will not explode forward at the port in a factory in an industrial and densely populated area
  20. Grey_k
    Grey_k 26 November 2013 13: 26
    +2
    Despite the large army and huge cash infusions into the defense industry, China has every chance to get hit "in the impudent yellow face." On the one hand, Russia may benefit from a possible weakening of China due to defeat in the upcoming conflict, and on the other hand, China will weaken - the BW and us will be tackled more closely.
    1. smile
      smile 26 November 2013 15: 58
      +1
      Grey_k
      I don’t think so. that if they get Koreans and Americans from the Japanese, they will wipe themselves away and look in our direction with a hungry eye. On the contrary, they will be obsessed with a thirst for revenge and will not want to spoil relations with us either - they simply will not drag out a conflict with everyone.
      1. Walker1975
        Walker1975 26 November 2013 18: 16
        +1
        So maybe they will think and prefer to go north, but they will not quarrel with the USA, Japan and the South Caucasus. China has a strong ground army, but the fleet is not impressive ... I think that the Japanese and Americans will quickly sink it if necessary ...
        1. mvg
          mvg 26 November 2013 18: 55
          -1
          China has a wonderful fleet and good Air Force, no worse than Japanese. I'd love to see a collision. And the Chinese usually do not climb when they are not sure.
        2. smile
          smile 26 November 2013 21: 05
          0
          Walker1975
          Everything can be. I would not want to.
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          1. Walker1975
            Walker1975 27 November 2013 00: 37
            +2
            I say that the Chinese fleet is relatively weak, especially if the United States is on the side of Japan. Now compare the land army of China and the Russian Federation. I’m already silent that it is 4 times bigger ... so also compare what troops are in Siberia and what are the transportation options for sending reinforcements there - despite the fact that the Trans-Siberian Railway is easy to cut.
            1. ed65b
              ed65b 27 November 2013 10: 21
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              Quote: Walker1975
              I say that the Chinese fleet is relatively weak, especially if the United States is on the side of Japan. Now compare the land army of China and the Russian Federation. I’m already silent that it is 4 times bigger ... so also compare what troops are in Siberia and what are the transportation options for sending reinforcements there - despite the fact that the Trans-Siberian Railway is easy to cut.

              Do you seriously think that China's ninjas will concentrate along the borders and seep to the trans-Siberian railway? And they thought that in the modern doctrine of Russia there is a right to launch a preemptive nuclear strike? Or a yellowstone brother is dumber than a monkey? today the guarantor of the Russian Federation is a nuclear triad. And while it is, you can sleep peacefully.
  21. Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 26 November 2013 13: 55
    +1
    “Even before becoming secretary general,” writes The New York Times, “Xi Jinping began to have a key influence on the formation of government policies. At least, many saw his tough hand in the territorial disputes that China leads with the Philippines and Vietnam in the South China Sea and with Japan in the East China Sea. When the head of the Pentagon, Leon Pannet, met recently with Jinping, the future Chinese leader reprimanded him, saying that "the United States should be neutral when it comes to the territorial dispute between China and Japan."
    Comrade Xi makes it clear that he is ready to abandon the principles of Deng Xiaoping, who called for restraint in world politics. Unlike Hu Jintao, who throughout his reign did not give a single interview to the Western media and always tried to stay in the background, Jinping actively distributes comments to reporters and clearly claims to be the world superstar leader. Over the past four years, he has traveled to more than fifty countries and proved that the Chinese party functionary can be no less witty and eloquent than the former Harvard professor Obama (his predecessor as secretary general joked in public only once). And although many experts believe that over time, X will challenge the United States (not in vain, they say, China is now adopting ballistic missiles specifically designed to destroy aircraft carriers), while it behaves correctly with the Americans. “The enemy must smile,” says the ancient Chinese stratagem. And Jinping in one shirt without a tie takes US Vice President Joe Biden on the basketball court. However, Americans feel that Hu Jintao is being replaced by a much more self-confident and ambitious politician. It is no coincidence that this year the Jinping was received with honor guard at the Pentagon and even held a mini parade in his honor. Prior to him, not a single statesman was honored with such a reception. http://www.odnako.org/almanac/material/show_22162/
  22. Romanychby
    Romanychby 26 November 2013 14: 34
    +1
    This is where America obosr..sya. This is not for them "to peacefully bomb the villages of Iraq, Libya and others like them." China decided to pass it :) sad :(
  23. ed65b
    ed65b 26 November 2013 15: 28
    +3
    All this Chinese miracle will continue exactly until the United States engages in them very tightly. Then the yellow monkey will have to climb the tree again and grow its tail. But the United States knows how to collapse states, and we see it very well. Moreover, the United States has its own Islamic gang.
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 26 November 2013 15: 43
      +2
      Quote: ed65b
      All this Chinese miracle will continue exactly until the United States engages in them very tightly. Then the yellow monkey will have to climb the tree again and grow its tail. But the United States knows how to collapse states, and we see it very well. Moreover, the United States has its own Islamic gang.

      Yes, not far away plebs likes to talk about the incredible economic power of China, without going into a simple detail lying on the surface. ALL MODERN INDUSTRY CHINA DOESN'T BELONG, CHINA ALMOST POSSESSES MODERN TECHNOLOGIES.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 26 November 2013 17: 26
        +1
        Well, Android smartphones have learned to rivet quite good. laughing Clothes are sewn, etc.
        1. Peaceful military
          Peaceful military 26 November 2013 17: 30
          +1
          Quote: Greenwood
          Well, Android smartphones have learned to rivet quite good. laughing Clothes are sewn, etc.

          You can also teach a bear to train to ride a bicycle wassat
      2. mvg
        mvg 26 November 2013 19: 00
        0
        Yes, only supercomputers, 5th generation aircraft, nuclear boats, aircraft carriers, and modern aircraft do. and more missiles than in Russia (they didn’t have START and START-2), fly into space, build a space station .. what other technologies do they need?
        1. Peaceful military
          Peaceful military 26 November 2013 19: 48
          +1
          Quote: mvg
          Yes, only supercomputers, 5th generation aircraft, nuclear boats, aircraft carriers, and modern aircraft do. and more missiles than in Russia (they didn’t have START and START-2), fly into space, build a space station .. what other technologies do they need?

          Open your eyes, they have many times less missiles, and their performance characteristics are incomparable. The 5th generation plane they do not do, but only try to do. aircraft carriers they do not. Their nuclear submarines, like everything else, are copies of previous generations of Soviet developments. Etc. hi
        2. ed65b
          ed65b 26 November 2013 19: 56
          +1
          Quote: mvg
          build a space station.

          This is where they build, on earth or in space? I think the first option. They are in space so far at the level of a monkey or our squirrel and arrow. laughing
  24. Kowalsky
    Kowalsky 26 November 2013 15: 42
    +1
    In the near future (a couple of years) nothing will happen in this region. The Chinese are well aware that in the event of a direct military conflict with Japan, the United States will also intervene on the side of the samurai. And with America, even weakened, China is still unable to compete. But then an "incident" may well happen - someone will shoot down or sink someone ... Without further transformation into a war.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 26 November 2013 17: 24
      +7
      A weakened America is the one that launched a new aircraft carrier, a new advanced destroyer, 100 F-35 aircraft in a short time and has a budget like the rest of the world ?! Damn, we would be so weak.
  25. Clegg
    Clegg 26 November 2013 17: 11
    +2
    The Chinese have no chance against Japan.
    The Chinese government needs to take every step to the smallest detail if they do not want the Chinese girls to feel what the Japanese did with their grandmothers in Nanjing in the 20th century)))
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 26 November 2013 17: 23
      +3
      I completely agree. No matter how puffed up, China has only 2 advantages over Japan - nuclear weapons and a high population. The Japanese have the latest technology, a bunch of advanced technologies, the most severe discipline (this is a special feature of mentality) and excellent preparation. The Chinese have cheap copies of old rubbish from the 60-70s, taken out of service in the days of the USSR, high level of bureaucratic corruption and much lower preparation. I do not believe in China’s ability to harm Japan by non-nuclear forces. Too often, the Chinese were beaten by everyone. And the Japanese succeeded most in this matter.
      1. Clegg
        Clegg 26 November 2013 17: 30
        +2
        Greetings

        Quote: Greenwood
        No matter how puffed up, China has only 2 advantages over Japan - nuclear weapons

        It is unlikely that they will dare to hit nuclear weapons and even if necessary, Japan will have nuclear weapons for a month.


        Only numerical superiority remains, but two factors must be taken into account: the Navy of Japan and the fact that Japan is an island.

        The Chinese won in the 20th century, only more sucks Indian warriors))))

        I honestly do not understand, all the hysteria about the "power" of China
      2. Selevc
        Selevc 26 November 2013 22: 39
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        The Japanese have the latest technology, a bunch of advanced technologies, the most severe discipline (this is a special feature of mentality) and excellent preparation. The Chinese have cheap copies of old rubbish from the 60-70s, taken out of service in the days of the USSR, high level of bureaucratic corruption and much lower preparation.
        In my opinion, everything is quite the opposite - for the most part, the Japanese pampered townspeople spoiled by the benefits of civilization in the form of computers, iPhones and other craps ... Young people in the post-war years are thoroughly corrupted by the cult of democracy - the spirit of the samurai is a tribute to history - rather lives in stories for tourists than in real life. .. In China, on the contrary, for the majority and in cities, life is not sugar - but in the provinces life is even harsh ... Simple Chinese are not spoiled by life, unpretentious, hardy, and most importantly ideological ...
        The armament of the KPA is a bit outdated - but even with a relatively simple modernization, it may well compete with the Japanese ...
        It is just right to recall the experience of the Second World War - when countries manufacturing relatively simple weapons simply numerically crushed opponents with more modern weapons ... When comparatively simple engineering modernization of equipment prevailed over the technological wonders of Germany ...
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 27 November 2013 08: 29
          +1
          Pampered citizens in Japan actually work 60 hours a week with the strictest discipline. Only young people who have free time after schools, colleges and universities can afford to do nothing. In general, the whole life of the Japanese goes according to a strictly constructed schedule and obeys a bunch of unspoken rules. Even youth, one way or another, adheres to strict etiquette in communication. Plus, they have a strong team spirit, and in everything. Repeatedly observed Japanese tourists, almost in line walking along with the guide along the central streets of Vladivostok. With relaxed Chinese, who have the habit of tearing a T-shirt on their heads and showing a naked belly to passers-by, there is nothing to do.
          As for China, the situation there is somewhat similar to Russia. I was in Beijing last year, I watched young 20-year-old girls driving expensive Audi and Range Rovers and poor peasants from the province. The Chinese, having achieved something in life, begin to look with disdain at their poorer compatriots. The rich Chinese behave very impudently, I did not notice a special culture of communication with them. If you read Chinese online news and blogs, you will see numerous messages about how another rich rich major - a son of some bureaucrat from the local branch of the CCP knocked a passerby in a car, made a drunken brawl with prostitutes on budget money, etc. Moreover, in most cases, it does not cost them anything and they do not bear any responsibility. Very often they talk about a stealing official who, feeling that he was about to be arrested, is transporting the whole family to Canada and is leaving there himself.
          Quote: Selevc
          the main thing is ideological ...

          I have not seen any idea from the Chinese for a long time. The Chinese live on thoughts of how to make money. Many Chinese women seek to marry foreigners, which in principle is quite possible with an attractive appearance. While I was walking in Beijing, I was repeatedly asked to be photographed by crowds of female student girls. It was nice. wink Many Chinese people try to do business, some go abroad for this, including Russia. Many earn on tourists. They also actively learn foreign languages.
          1. Selevc
            Selevc 27 November 2013 09: 56
            0
            Quote: Greenwood
            While I was walking in Beijing, I was repeatedly asked to be photographed by crowds of female student girls.

            Beijing is such an indicator of China’s life - as Moscow is the indicator of the rest of Russia ... China also has its own elite - the business elite and the party elite too ... In China, about 100 million people live quite normally - at about the level of Russia or the middle European country, but to see real life - without embellishment you need to go to the province - or at least to the outskirts of the city - there you will see how the remaining 1200 million live ...
            Quote: Greenwood
            Pampered citizens in Japan actually work 60 hours a week with the strictest discipline.
            They work so much, not because they are such workaholics, but because Japan has high competition in the labor market ...
            In general, the whole life of the Japanese goes according to a strictly constructed schedule and obeys a bunch of unspoken rules. Even youth, one way or another, adheres to strict etiquette in communication. Plus they have a strong team spirit, and in everything

            Here is a response link to your pearls:
            http://videla.ru/moda-yaponskoj-molodezhi-13-foto.html

            I would also like to add that some port cities of Japan since the end of World War II have had the fame of international-class brothels - the Anglo-Saxons have been "shopping" there for more than half a century ...
            Repeatedly observed Japanese tourists, almost in line walking along with the guide along the central streets of Vladivostok. With relaxed Chinese, who have the habit of tearing a T-shirt on their heads and showing a naked belly to passers-by, there is nothing to do.
            Duck is because the Chinese you already feel at home :))) And the Japanese just behave because they found themselves in an unfamiliar country and are simply afraid to lag behind the group and get lost :)))
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 28 November 2013 14: 13
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              Quote: Selevc
              Beijing is such an indicator of China's life
              I cited Beijing as an example. I have been to many cities in China: Harbin, Mudanjian, Changchun, Yangji, Tumen, Hunchun, etc., as well as in the villages between these cities.
              Quote: Selevc
              there you will see how the rest live
              Thanks, I saw. Only the Chinese are inclined to blame the corrupt government in their opinion, and not the Japanese.
              Quote: Selevc
              They work so much, not because they are such workaholics, but because Japan has high competition in the labor market ...
              But in China it is not, yeah, yeah ... Even more, and for much less money.
              Quote: Selevc
              Here is a response link to your pearls:
              http://videla.ru/moda-yaponskoj-molodezhi-13-foto.html
              Photos of gyaru and other freaks from Akihabara do not need to be poked. This is a small layer of youth (which, as I have already said, has much more free time). For most Japanese people, casual wear is a strict business suit.
              Quote: Selevc
              since the end of World War II some port cities of Japan have the glory of world-class dens
              Japan has long moved away from the concept of a brothel country. Do not confuse with Thailand and the Philippines. As for brothels as such, they are in any city, especially the port of any country in the world. We in Vladivostok also dohren and more.
              Quote: Selevc
              because the Chinese at you already feel at home
              In Russia, the Chinese do not behave this way. I observed such behavior in China itself, and spoke about it. So, in Japan you will never see anything like it. Another culture, another mentality.
              Quote: Selevc
              And the Japanese just act like that because they find themselves in an unfamiliar country and are simply afraid to fall behind the group and get lost
              No, again by. In addition to the Japanese, we can often see in the center entire groups of Europeans and Americans who have fallen off the next liner. So, unlike the Japanese, they tend to roam around the streets very relaxed for a guide, or even to go for a walk on their own. The same is true for sailors, especially sailors, from American warships that often visit Vladivostok. The Japanese have a different mindset and a different mentality, and radically different from other countries, including Asian ones. Just to understand this, you need to visit Japan itself and chat with the Japanese. I have such experience, I know what I'm talking about.
  26. sergius60
    sergius60 26 November 2013 18: 50
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    COMRADES The Chinese are straining strategic ECONOMIC opponents, forcing them to "burn money" on military spending. Pulling attention from RUSSIA TO YOURSELF. A real allied strategy. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

    And the "yapam" have not yet returned the debt for Tsushima, with interest ... All somehow strive to remind of their existence. Kuril Islands. And it would not be necessary. Historical memory, it can be a very dangerous thing, however ...
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 26 November 2013 21: 33
      0
      Quote: sergius60
      And the "yapam" have not yet returned the debt for Tsushima, with interest ...

      Immediately I remembered Sukhorukov from Brother 2 "And you will still answer for the Crimea" laughing
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  29. Mozart
    Mozart 26 November 2013 22: 30
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    Great stuff.
  30. Selevc
    Selevc 26 November 2013 23: 12
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    If we assume that America will leave this region tomorrow, then a coalition of Japan, South Korea and Taiwan may well form against the PRC + DPRK ... Three sea powers against two land powers ... The human potential of land powers is 1300 million people against 200 million souls powers of the sea ... A stalemate (if this is of course a non-nuclear conflict) - the coalition will not be able to defeat China on land, but China, in turn, will be difficult to resist the combined fleet of the three opposing states ...
    1. smprofi
      smprofi 27 November 2013 00: 03
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      Quote: Selevc
      may well be

      in the struggle for the islands of Senkaku or Diaoyu, at the moment Formosa and the mainland Celestial oppose Nippon

      1. Selevc
        Selevc 27 November 2013 00: 20
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        Quote: smprofi
        in the struggle for the islands of Senkaku or Diaoyu, at the moment Formosa and the mainland Celestial oppose Nippon

        In this region, there are two main rival opponents, Japan and China - in the case of a serious mess, Formose and South Korea have nowhere to go - they will only unite with Japan ... Otherwise, the Celestial Empire in the war with Japan can in passing and return a couple of provinces - one to itself and the other to Korean brothers in arms :))) In general, even now Taiwan, Japan and the South Caucasus are united as US vassals in the region ...
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 28 November 2013 14: 18
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          Quote: Selevc
          And then the Celestial Empire in the war with Japan can in passing and return a couple of provinces
          I would rather believe that the Celestial Empire will once again fall apart into a bunch of hostile counties, some of which will be under the Japanese, than that China is able to win at least some kind of mess by itself, especially against the Japanese.
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  32. Kuzkin Batyan
    Kuzkin Batyan 27 November 2013 07: 02
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    Yes, everything is already, the Americans flew without demand in that area, and China did nothing. Farted as they say.
  33. akv0571
    akv0571 27 November 2013 09: 03
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    At the moment, Japan has the most powerful non-nuclear surface fleet, Russia is probably the third.
  34. Known who
    Known who 27 November 2013 11: 22
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    I wonder what will come of this swarm? China is currently the largest lender in developed countries, including the states, the largest bucket holder, the largest supplier of goods to the states, etc. By the adoption of a decree of the PRC government, it is possible to bring down not only the state economy but also the entire world financial system based on on bucks, which will create favorable conditions for annexation by China any adjacent territory, including, unfortunately, the Russian one. It all depends on what price governments are willing to pay!