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Putin and Pope became close thanks to Syria ("Vatican Insider", Italy)

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Putin and Pope became close thanks to Syria ("Vatican Insider", Italy)This afternoon Russian President Vladimir Putin will meet with Francis. This is not his first visit to the Vatican. Putin was adopted by John Paul II in 2000 and in 2003, and Benedict XVI in 2007, but today the scenario of meeting with the Pope, “come from the end of the world,” has changed completely.


For the Kremlin, the audience takes on "special significance" after the common position taken in the past months by the Holy See and Russia in the Syrian crisis. Both sides opposed armed Western intervention and spoke in favor of a diplomatic initiative that allowed an agreement to destroy chemical weapons. weapons Asad. Francis, who wrote a letter to Putin in September of this year on the eve of the G-20 meeting in St. Petersburg, thereby recognized the role of Moscow on the world stage and its contribution to the resolution of conflicts. Putin, for his part, is interested in appearing as a defender of Christians in the Middle East. Putin and the Pope will mainly discuss the international situation, the situation in Syria, Iraq and the Holy Land. Putin wants to thank Francis for taking the role of a peacemaker for the Holy See. He will also focus on the position of Christian communities that are threatened by fundamentalists.

But the first meeting between the Pope-Argentine and the Russian president may also affect the development of relations between the Catholic Church and the Russian Orthodox Church. The prospect of a meeting between Francis and Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Kirill seems increasingly real due to both the Pope’s origin and his statement at the very beginning of his pontificate that he considers himself the bishop of Rome. In addition, the Pope said that the Catholic Church should learn collegiality from the Orthodox Church. Pope, to a lesser extent identified with the West and not a zealous supporter of the strategy of Catholic proselytism, may have easier access to Moscow.

Illarion Alfeev, the “Foreign Minister” of the Moscow Patriarchate, said a few days ago: “At the moment, we are not talking about the visit of the pontiff to Russia, but about the possibility of meeting Pope and Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Kirill in a neutral country.” Cyril, receiving a delegation in Moscow led by Cardinal Milan Angelo Skola, said that “our churches never had so much in common before”, showed approval of the actions of Pope Francis and wished that “our historical disagreements ceased to play a critical role. ”

After President Mikhail Gorbachev invited John Paul II to come to Moscow, Putin never renewed such an invitation. Many hope that the situation will change, that the president will help organize the visit. However, it should be noted that the Russian Orthodox do not want to create the impression that they are connected by a double thread with the Russian political authorities, and Kirill does not intend to give Putin the opportunity to take steps in this direction.
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  1. makarov
    makarov 26 November 2013 08: 31
    -18 qualifying.
    as a result of crossing, either the Papal Path or the Putkin Papa turned out ... everything is painfully vague.
    In general, a good fellow, skillfully trampled the road to God using only one main message "We are Orthodox, and not some homosexual .."
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 26 November 2013 08: 58
      +8
      and more practical thoughts, except how to snuck, does not arise? Or is there simply not enough intelligence to appreciate the event?
      1. makarov
        makarov 26 November 2013 09: 44
        -8
        SW Eugene.
        I will answer the question with the question: And what (or who) do you think is the measure of intelligence?
        Please name this institution or the person where it is measured.
        1. lewerlin53rus
          lewerlin53rus 26 November 2013 09: 51
          +1
          Quote: makarov
          And what (or who) do you think is a measure of intelligence?

          Yes, at least an oral or written statement of thoughts.
          1. makarov
            makarov 26 November 2013 11: 43
            -1
            The words "at least" just speak of intelligence.
            But seriously, there are both special tests and specialized institutes. So, the Institute of Intellectual Property has long given me an assessment, I'm sorry for being straightforward, but I never met your surname there.
            1. lewerlin53rus
              lewerlin53rus 26 November 2013 12: 08
              +2
              Quote: makarov
              But seriously, there are special tests

              USE, or what?
              Quote: makarov
              I didn’t meet your name there at all.

              I received education at another institute
              Incidentally, the presence of a diploma or certificate of intelligence does not mean the presence of intelligence itself. I know one former world chess champion, so, as it turned out, there are no brains at all.
        2. Simon
          Simon 26 November 2013 11: 11
          +3
          Your friend measure, weigh in your Ukraine, on the Maidan, where the opposition, bought by the West and Amers, are fighting for power with the police, although the EU is embroidered with rotten threads. And here at least in the first views of the Orthodox and Catholic, Christian churches united into one, that is, to peace in Syria, this already means something! And all this is good giving to Putin. Which in this way breaks the ground among Wahhabis, their associates and sponsors, putting them outside the law of society.
          1. makarov
            makarov 26 November 2013 12: 20
            0
            SW Vyacheslav.
            Forgive me, but neither pigs nor geese graze with you, therefore I cannot be a "friend" either. And I have a slogan for life: "Not friends, and not Luzhkov."
            There is a good saying, and it is just right for the place "Two into a fight, the third in a s..ku".
    2. nemec55
      nemec55 26 November 2013 09: 08
      +8
      For Putin’s foreign policy, I just take off my hat to him. The domestic policy is quite complicated and it’s extremely difficult to figure it out (how many people have so many opinions) And insulting a person is simply ugly, he is even our slave in the gallery.
      1. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 26 November 2013 09: 14
        +4
        Quote: nemec55
        Domestic policy is rather complicated and extremely difficult to understand

        one of the opinions on this subject:
        1. Simon
          Simon 26 November 2013 11: 31
          +1
          Good opinion, I really liked it! Yes, Putin has to spin, but he wins !. good tongue
    3. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 26 November 2013 13: 23
      +1
      What is the new fashion to distort the surname or name of the country? Or is it from anger and powerlessness? It has already gone straight en masse among the ardent oppositionists. For example, Yushchenko did not run into me as president or Bush as an American president, but I did not distort their name.
      Whether it’s an age matter, or a generation like this and one started and others picked up, and maybe upbringing?
  2. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 26 November 2013 08: 38
    +7
    A positive image of Russia in the eyes of millions of Catholics in the light of good relations with the Vatican is a necessary thing.
    1. Grandson of Veteran
      Grandson of Veteran 26 November 2013 11: 16
      +1
      "The positive image of Russia in the eyes of millions of Catholics"
      Not only Catholics. It seems to me that after Syria, many Muslims also put a "like" GDPR.
  3. Edward72
    Edward72 26 November 2013 08: 38
    +2
    At one time, for the glory of God's chosen one, half of Europe was burned at the stake, now they are peacemakers. As Stanislavsky said, "I DO NOT BELIEVE."
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 26 November 2013 12: 09
      +1
      Quote: Edward72
      Conjuncturists

      So what to do? request Conjuncture must also be monitored.
    2. alone
      alone 26 November 2013 19: 28
      0
      Quote: Edward72
      At one time, for the glory of God's chosen one, half of Europe was burned at the stake, now they are peacemakers. As Stanislavsky said, "I DO NOT BELIEVE."


      and besides, a lot of pedophiles divorced in the papacy. so pedophilo-conjuncturists will be more correct lol
  4. TAIM
    TAIM 26 November 2013 08: 41
    +3
    well done GDP. through Christian values ​​it is necessary to carry the policy of Russia into the world. Amid the general decline in European values, Moscow is truly becoming the beacon of all progressive forces. whoever blathers there.
  5. JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 26 November 2013 08: 44
    +2
    Based on the sharply increased passionarity of the peoples professing Islam (its radical part), the unification of the positions of the Christian churches, at least in positions that do not separate us, is good.
    And if the Vatican also takes up arms against the processes that are taking place in Europe (hypertolerance), then it will be generally good. Although so far it's just a dream.
  6. Combitor
    Combitor 26 November 2013 08: 49
    +1
    “Russian President Putin arrived for an audience with Pope Francis almost an hour later than the scheduled time. This is reported by "Moskovsky Komsomolets" ... during Putin's passage from the airport, traffic was blocked. “Putin’s huge motorcade drove along the highway from Fiumicino airport to the Vatican, which was blocked for him. Pope Francis was patiently waiting for him in the Vatican’s reception hall. Putin was 50 minutes late for a meeting with the Pope.” ... In mid-November, the South Korean government expressed dissatisfaction with the delay Putin to a meeting with South Korean President Park Geun-hye. In 2003, Putin was 15 minutes late to see Queen Elizabeth II of Great Britain. In April 2011, Putin, who was then prime minister, was half an hour late for an appointment with King Carl XVI Gustav of Sweden. In addition, he stayed with the Prime Minister of Sweden Fredrik Reinfeldt and left for the airport later than planned, which caused traffic jams unprecedented for Stockholm. In 2012, the Russian president was four hours late for a meeting with Viktor Yanukovych.>
    Accuracy - the politeness of kings. And for the Kremlin helmsman, being late for important meetings is already chronic. Or maybe he thinks that "only eggs are cooler than him, and only stars are higher"?
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 26 November 2013 08: 55
      +5
      Maybe he should come everywhere a day earlier and sit in the car waiting for a meeting, it’s not for you to go from office to office. No one should know the exact movement of the president.
    2. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 26 November 2013 08: 55
      +2
      The authorities are not late, it is delayed laughing
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 26 November 2013 10: 23
        -3
        Quote: lewerlin53rus
        The authorities are not late, it is delayed laughing

        This is an elementary rudeness. On the other hand, Russians just love boors, so people are happy with this behavior.
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 26 November 2013 10: 51
          0
          Type Pu himself chose the time - I’ll leave later, I’ll sit for another half an hour at a push, read newspapers ??? And then he drove his car somewhere far away ...
          In such things, he does not solve anything (well, almost nothing), the time of departure, route, etc. is guarded by security.
    3. 31231
      31231 26 November 2013 09: 32
      +1
      And besides the Moscow Komsomolets still did not try to read anything?
      1. Combitor
        Combitor 26 November 2013 09: 56
        +1
        31231 Today, 09:32 ↑, I read the Military Review. Continue the list?
    4. lelikas
      lelikas 26 November 2013 10: 48
      +1
      Quote: Kombitor
      "Only eggs are cooler than him, and only stars are higher than him"?

      Come on, Yeltsin - I didn’t leave the plane at all ....
      1. Simon
        Simon 26 November 2013 11: 37
        +2
        So they carried him out as a drunk, how will he come out! laughing Woe to the President, shame! recourse
  7. ZU-23
    ZU-23 26 November 2013 08: 50
    +2
    Well, that's right, you need to look for important common interests and promote them to the masses. I wonder how the Vatican is fighting pedophilia in its ranks.
    1. Apollo
      26 November 2013 08: 54
      +5
      quote-Today in the afternoon, Russian President Vladimir Putin will meet with Francis. This is not his first visit to the Vatican.
      1. ZU-23
        ZU-23 26 November 2013 08: 59
        +1
        Heh, not a match for the afternoon.
      2. alone
        alone 26 November 2013 19: 30
        +1
        look at the looks !!
        Dad as if thinking, I don’t believe him !!
        Putin- Me too !!))
  8. Andrey57
    Andrey57 26 November 2013 09: 00
    +1
    What other "Christian values" ??? Everything is like Mikhail Zadornov's: - "It's all about the money!" One has only to remember that there are three financial centers in the world - the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds and the Vatican. True, the latter does not at all seek to publicize this. In matters of "liberation from democratic assistance in the development of the country", the GDP relied on the Vatican, thereby pitting their heads against the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers, who would not risk butting with the Vatican, since the latter is not only strong in preaching, which ensures it the status of the third, but equal among equal, financial pole. So VVP went once again to "check and agree on common issues of cooperation" with the Holy See, since the role of the Russian Federation in various regions and, possibly, in Latin America is planned to strengthen, since the current Pope is from Argentina. hi
  9. scientist
    scientist 26 November 2013 09: 11
    0
    The Vatican vigorously seeks to expand its influence thanks to its eastward expansion and rapprochement with Orthodoxy, forcing compromises with the goal of permanently destroying Orthodox values ​​before the inevitable end of the world. This crusade lasts from the 13th century and is aimed primarily at the destruction of Russian culture. It is for this reason that St. Alexander Nevsky, in confronting Islam and the Catholics, chose an alliance with the Tatars. Islam is much closer in its spirit to Orthodoxy than the Catholics, who, led by the Pope, imagined themselves to be gods on earth and are trying to remake the whole world in their own image and likeness.
    1. goldfinger
      goldfinger 26 November 2013 10: 55
      +1
      Quote: scientist
      with the goal of finally destroying Orthodox values ​​before the inevitable end of the world. This crusade lasts from the 13th century and is aimed primarily at the destruction of Russian culture.

      From Minsk. It is difficult to imagine the greater destruction of Orthodox values ​​that has been taking place since the "murky, semi-criminal" coming to power in the ROC of Gundyaev.
  10. Humpty
    Humpty 26 November 2013 09: 17
    +2
    [quote = makarov] as a result of crossing, either the Papal Way or the Putkin Papa turned out ... it hurts everything is vague.
    I see no reason to gossip. Catholics have the Vatican always in authority.
  11. 31231
    31231 26 November 2013 09: 34
    +1
    Such a good dad. Friendly and with his opinion on foreign policy.
  12. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 26 November 2013 09: 36
    +3
    Putin, for his part, is interested in appearing as a defender of Christians in the Middle East. To begin with, I would understand the religious problems in my country.
  13. goldfinger
    goldfinger 26 November 2013 09: 59
    +1
    Neighbor Belarus. From the Russian press.
    Mr. President, you have a one-on-one meeting with the Pope. Are you able to understand each other?

    It's not a translator. And not that the Pope is Catholic, but you are Orthodox.

    People like you and the Pope (even if they grew up in the same country) speak different languages. Is always.

    Of course, you are both people (from the point of view of anatomy and physiology) - two arms, two legs ... But as for the human features - heaven and earth.

    The Pope has ten times more subjects, and ten times less residences. You, terrifying the locals, are building palaces for yourself in different places of Russia. Francis (even being a cardinal) lived in a small apartment, rode a bus, cooked his own food.

    On his hand, no one has ever seen and will not see watches for 100 thousand dollars (not very expensive from the point of view of our hierarchs bathing in luxury). And it is impossible to imagine that he condemned anyone for the fact that some dust fell on his books.

    Your fellow friends have become billionaires, heads of gigantic monopolies, you even appointed one for four years as president of Russia.

    Among people close to Francis I, there is not one who would have grown rich thanks to this acquaintance. And nobody himself appointed him “successor”, his election is impeccable. (Of course, intrigue, of course, behind-the-scenes negotiations is the Vatican. But stuffing ballots and falsifying protocols are absolutely excluded.)

    Francis motto - “Miserando atque eligendo” - can be translated from Latin as “Chosen for compassion”. And he is really known for constantly helping the poor, visiting the sick. And your motto (if it were) would probably sound like "Elected for ruthlessness" (apparently, the quality necessary for your work).

    It is believed that the motto of Francis I and his life are related to the sermon, which formulated well-known moral standards:

    “Do not strive for wealth, do not seek benefits, avoid honors, accept all the contempt of the world for the glory of heaven, be useful to all, bless those who insult and do not take revenge on anyone, patiently endure the grievances received, always seek the glories of the Creator and never your own.”

    What could be further from the Kremlin mores than these rules?
    They will say that it is impossible to make such demands on presidents and other worldly lords. And why?
    Let us leave aside such lofty topics as “contempt of the world”, “heavenly glory” ... But not to strive for wealth and be useful to everyone - this is the norm that any official, any deputy must comply with.
    And with whom should they take an example? Not from the Pope.

    And, as always, Putin was half an hour late. And Pope, quite naturally, cut his audience by half an hour. This is not Russia, where they expect the Sunshine, the one and the indivisible, how much he will want to torture his darling people.
  14. engineer74
    engineer74 26 November 2013 10: 08
    +1
    I did not understand, but where is the agreement on military-technical cooperation! ??
    1. alone
      alone 26 November 2013 19: 32
      0
      Quote: engineer74
      I did not understand, but where is the agreement on military-technical cooperation! ??


      Do you need halberds of the Swiss guards or their armor? wassat
  15. svp67
    svp67 26 November 2013 10: 22
    +1
    Putin and Dad got closer ...
    It is certainly good, but only in the light of the recent scandals in the Roman Church and ambiguous decisions does it sound DOUBTING ... Probably it was better to say that "THE POSITIONS OF TWO LEADERS, on many issues have come close"
  16. morpogr
    morpogr 26 November 2013 11: 33
    +1
    If after the visit the Vatican publicly supports the law banning the promotion of LGBT ideas among minors and condemns the idea of ​​tolerance in the geyrop, then the meeting will not be in vain.
  17. sq
    sq 26 November 2013 12: 42
    0
    on the possibility of meeting Pope and Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Kirill in a neutral country
    I suggest Belarus, a specific place Nesvizh castle. There are several reasons:
    - There are many Orthodox and Catholics in the country;
    - the castle at different times belonged to Catholics, and Protestants, and Orthodox;
    - And the honor is not small to accept such people.
  18. tomket
    tomket 26 November 2013 23: 27
    +1
    The question is, why do we need to establish contacts, even if by way of the visit of the secular head of state to an organization that itself discredits itself in matters of faith? Just reinterpretation of sins for the sake of keeping pace with society and time allows us to say in their direction, gentlemen, you don’t have any kind of religion. By the way, I heard somewhere that the Pope is an atheist, who believes in humanitarian values, but There is no God, it’s not so late for half an hour, it’s not necessary to go to such a place ... but it’s not necessary.
  19. Vladimir 23rus
    Vladimir 23rus 16 December 2013 03: 37
    0
    I didn't even read the comments. Well, what is he to me "dad". My DAD from the age of 16 (during the war) plowed a tractor and died at 60 years and 4 months (the dream of our righteousness). This is DAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!