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Novorossiysk diesel-electric submarines will launch November 28

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The date of launching a new diesel-electric submarine "Novorossiysk" has become known. ITAR-TASS cites the words of the Vice-President of the United Shipbuilding Corporation for the state defense order and military-technical cooperation I. Ponomorev, according to which the new submarine will leave the berth of the Admiralty Shipyards of November 28. The diesel-electric submarines Novorossiysk will be the first submarine missile carrier built on the 636.3 project.



Launch of the third export order - PL HQ184 Hai Phong, serial number 01341 pr. 06361. Admiralty Shipyards, St. Petersburg, 28.08.2013 (Admiralty. No. 21 / 2013)


The construction of the head submarine of the Novorossiysk 636.3 project began in the middle of 2010, and it took a little more than three years to work. As follows from the available information, the launch of the submarine on the water was planned for 2013 year and, thus, the initial plans were fulfilled. However, during the recent time the approximate date of this event was postponed several times. So, in the spring of this year, there were reports that Novorossiysk could go to the test by the end of summer. However, in the summer it was announced the transfer of the launch to the autumn. Now, at the end of November, the exact date has become known, which is unlikely to change.

As in the case of plans for the launch of the submarine, the timing of its adoption fleet almost did not change. From the very beginning, it was alleged that the Novorossiysk diesel-electric submarine will begin service in 2014. A few weeks ago, updated data was received, according to which this will happen in June next year. The new diesel-electric submarine will serve as part of the Black Sea Fleet.

Novorossiysk is the first diesel-electric submarine of the 636.3 project being built for the Black Sea Fleet. The submarines Rostov-on-Don and Stary Oskol are already under construction, and in the near future the construction of three more submarines will begin. The approximate deadline for the launch of the last boats of the series is 2016-17 years. It is expected that the construction and operation of six new submarines will significantly increase the combat potential of the Black Sea Fleet, which now includes only one submarine (B-871 "Alrosa", project 877 "Paltus").

The 636.3 project (also the designation 06363 is also encountered) is an upgraded version of the 636 Varshavyanka project, in which new technical solutions and new equipment are applied. Submarines updated and basic project 636 have a number of common features, but differ from each other in some characteristics and combat capabilities. So, all the “Varshavyanka” have a length of 73,8 meter, more than 50 of which falls on a solid case. The width of the light hull is slightly less than 10 meters, the draft is 6,2 m. The surface displacement of new submarines, including Novorossiysk, is equal to 2350 tons. Scuba - 3100 t, although some sources mention larger numbers. Apparently, there is some kind of mistake here and the submarines of the 636.3 project have the same displacement as the submarines of the 636 basic project.


Submarine B-261 "Novorossiysk" after docking the body blocks. Admiralty Shipyards, St. Petersburg, end of April 2013 (Admiralty. No. 21 / 2013)



Transportation of the middle block П-Б-261 Novorossiysk head № 01670 in the 6-span of the workshop No. 12 of the Admiralty shipyards (Admiralty. № XXUMX / 5)



Docking of the nose and middle blocks Submarine B-261 Novorossiysk head number 01670, workshop No. 12 Admiralty Shipyards, April 2013 (photo - Svetlana Vasilyeva, Admiralteets No. XXNX / 8)


Novorossiysk diesel-electric submarines will launch November 28
PL pr.636 / 636М with 7-blade propeller ("Military parade", photo from the archive Gogs, http://forums.airbase.ru)


In the course of the modernization, the power plant underwent some changes, thanks to which the new Varshavyanka on the surface could pick up speed up to 17 nodes. The underwater speed remains the same: the 3 node is economic and the 20 node is maximum. The values ​​of the cruising range have not changed. In the surface position, submarines of the 636.3 project are capable of overcoming up to 7500 miles (with an increased fuel reserve, at an economic speed), in the submarine up to 400. The working depth does not exceed 250 meters; the maximum depth is 300 meters.

Armament submarines project 636.3 consists of six torpedo tubes caliber 533 mm, located in the nose of the hull in two rows (2 in the top and 4 in the bottom). Ammunition consists of several types of 18 torpedoes. If necessary, part of the torpedoes can be replaced by mines (up to 24 units). One of the most important differences between the 636.3 project and the base 636 is the ability to use cruise missiles. New submarines are equipped with equipment of the Caliber-PL missile system and are able to use the two upper torpedo tubes as a missile launcher. The submarine can take on board from 4 to 18 missiles of several modifications, equipped with various warheads. The Kalibr-PL complex provides missile launch from a submerged position.



Constructions of the light hull Submarine B-261 "Novorossiysk" pr.06363 at the Admiralty shipyards. St. Petersburg, published on 27.11.2012 (photo - Slava Stepanov, http://gelio-nsk.livejournal.com)


The submarines of the 636.3 project are a logical continuation of the domestic program for the construction of diesel-electric submarines, inheriting both the advantages and disadvantages of previous ships. The positive sides of the new submarines can be attributed to their low noise. In some sources, the 636.3 boats are called the quietest in the world. The use of the Kalibr-PL missile system in combination with modern target detection tools significantly increases combat effectiveness. In this new submarines are not without flaws. The main thing is the absence of an air-independent power plant. Because of this, the time the submarine was in the submerged state and, as a result, the range of the submerged course is limited, which accordingly affects combat effectiveness.

A few days left before the launch ceremony of the head submarine of the 636.3 project. Serial ships will be put to the test later, only next year. In the middle of November information appeared in the media about the training of crews for the first two submarines of the series. To date, the sailors have undergone general training of submariners, studied equipment and equipment, and also began training on the use of systems, equipment and weapons. Crews undergoing training will participate in the testing of the Novorossiysk and Rostov-on-Don submarines. Thus, the service of one of them will begin in just a couple of days.


On the materials of the sites:
http://itar-tass.com/
http://armstrade.org/
http://i-mash.ru/
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-722.html
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  1. 31231
    31231 26 November 2013 08: 56 New
    20
    The article is well written. And of course we are waiting for the boat.
    1. Civil
      Civil 26 November 2013 09: 29 New
      +8
      We are waiting for a new project, and with a new mover as in Alrosa
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 28 November 2013 20: 12 New
        0
        The mover is built on old and completely ineffective principles. There is no progress, therefore, the mover was not hidden.
    2. Arberes
      Arberes 26 November 2013 09: 31 New
      +8
      Quote: 31231
      And of course we are waiting for the boat.

      Yes, I agree with you that the Black Sea Fleet needs to be strengthened, not in a hurry but in a hurry. With VNU, problems would still be solved and then complete order. Our submariners will also be on duty in the Mediterranean, but how else?
    3. Grandson of Veteran
      Grandson of Veteran 26 November 2013 13: 30 New
      +7
      Pretty damn! good
    4. AVV
      AVV 26 November 2013 14: 46 New
      +3
      And judging from the name of pl. she will be in Novorossiysk, as I understand it !!! New boats at the Black Sea Fleet are very necessary !!!
    5. potapenkow
      potapenkow 2 December 2013 08: 17 New
      0
      I accidentally found one of these days a free site with a complete database of all the inhabitants of Russia.
      I thought that the next trick. WHEN I ENTERED YOUR NAME AND SURNAME ... OH ... EL. The authorities hold us very tightly in their control.
      http://link.ac/2pS26
  2. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 26 November 2013 08: 59 New
    10
    The long-awaited event. However, resting on our laurels is simply criminal. The fleet needs more of these ships. VNEUS is more expensive to wait for itself. Apparently everything has its time.
  3. alex56
    alex56 26 November 2013 09: 22 New
    +5
    Great news. It is necessary to strengthen and retool the Black Sea Fleet!
    By the way, who doesn’t know what’s there with the B-380 "Holy Prince George"? Is work being done?
  4. fisherman
    fisherman 26 November 2013 09: 38 New
    +5
    GLORY TO RUSSIA!
  5. HollyGremlin
    HollyGremlin 26 November 2013 09: 39 New
    +3
    Beautiful, new boats are more and more like fish. It’s interesting how it turns out: they say about our diesel boats that some of them are quiet, and about nuclear, which are very noisy.
    1. bif
      bif 26 November 2013 09: 53 New
      +7
      Because DEPLs in a tricky position use electrical energy and a minimum of moving mechanisms. During the operation of the nuclear power plant, many noisy mechanisms constantly work, which alone pumps the cooling system
      1. HollyGremlin
        HollyGremlin 26 November 2013 15: 22 New
        +3
        Thanks for the clarification, this point is even more interesting:
        With curvature, DEPL can be made noisy, but we are the quietest, which means hands grow well. And YaSU is noisier than potential friends. It would be interesting to know because of what - there is not enough technology or the design of the reactors is radically different and ours is very noisy.
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 26 November 2013 16: 17 New
          +6
          Quote: HollyGremlin
          And YaSU is noisier than potential friends. It would be interesting to know why

          Simply put, we are building larger boats than our potential friends, this is due to the design features of our projects.
          The larger the boat, the larger the area of ​​contact with water, the more disturbances and sounds.
          Something like this.
          1. KOH
            KOH 27 November 2013 07: 40 New
            +2
            Here! Gold fish!
          2. sivuch
            sivuch 27 November 2013 10: 54 New
            +1
            On the other hand, the larger the dimensions, the easier it is to put all devices and mechanisms on depreciation, including two-stage
      2. gridasov
        gridasov 28 November 2013 20: 17 New
        0
        Noises create cavitation processes of outflow flows. In addition, they have a very wide range of emissions. Hydro-gas dynamics stands still because it is not able to mathematically describe complex one-time physical. process.
  6. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 26 November 2013 10: 00 New
    +4
    Good boats for the Black Sea just right. Only not 6 is necessary but 10-12, at least it is necessary to equal Turkey.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 26 November 2013 22: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: 1c-inform-city
      Only not 6 is needed but 10-12, you need to at least equal Turkey.

      The operational capacity of the FM and BM is 7-8 PL. Turkey has 14, but on 2 MTVD: World Cup and Middle-earth.
      “Our submarines will be based on the Sevastopol and Novorossiysk naval base. Some sailors, including the headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet, believe that the ordered boats will not help Russia to resist even Turkey. The Turkish Navy has 14 diesel-electric submarines of type 209, three modifications for two theaters (Mediterranean and Black Sea). Six of them in the near future will be replaced by new type 214 submarines, also of German construction. "with VNEU. http://vpk-news.ru/articles/9233
      And they will most likely be used in the Mediterranean, as this is an open MTVD with access to the Atlantic. And in the 2's, they will be able to strengthen the NATO grouping in the confrontation with the Russian submarines in Sr.more.
  7. Gost
    Gost 26 November 2013 10: 10 New
    +2
    And do not forget about the BF.
    1. skiff-xnumx
      skiff-xnumx 26 November 2013 17: 20 New
      0
      Please explain why they are in the Baltic puddle
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 26 November 2013 23: 02 New
        +4
        Quote: skiff-1980
        Please explain why they are in the Baltic puddle

        For the blockade of the Danish Straits, minefields, the protection of approaches to the Gulf of Finland, the defeat of KOH, DesO, OBK.
        At one time, the issue of a breakthrough in the BM KRG led by Iowa was considered in all seriousness. Today "Ticonderogi" and "Orly Berki" can visit the Baltic countries, and in wartime - after the suppression of the AV. Well, and so on.
  8. kafa
    kafa 26 November 2013 10: 28 New
    +3
    more such news wink Well, ships of different good
  9. andrei332809
    andrei332809 26 November 2013 10: 42 New
    +2
    well ... good luck with the can and well-coordinated crew!
  10. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 26 November 2013 11: 00 New
    +3
    Quote: Gost
    And do not forget about the BF.

    Well, as far as we know, BFs are about to replenish 677.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 26 November 2013 23: 34 New
      +2
      Quote: 1c-inform-city
      Well, as far as we know, BFs are about to replenish 677.

      02.09.2013/677/2020 "Two Project 677M non-nuclear submarines with an air-independent power plant are being built for the Northern Fleet. By the end of XNUMX, the Navy will receive four more non-nuclear submarines of the new project," Admiral Viktor Chirkov said to the Russian Navy. http://bastion-karpenko.narod.ru/XNUMX_LADA.html
      And rightly so, they are needed there. And the Baltics, apparently, will get PLPL with lithium-ion batteries, approximately 4-5 times increasing the D of the underwater passage.
  11. bistrov.
    bistrov. 26 November 2013 11: 04 New
    +5
    It is necessary to accelerate work on the adoption of an air-independent engine as soon as possible. Without it, now, well, nowhere. With modern means of detecting submarines, a conventional engine practically nullifies everything.
  12. egor 1712
    egor 1712 26 November 2013 11: 04 New
    +6
    Cool, "Black Holes" in the Black Sea!
  13. egor 1712
    egor 1712 26 November 2013 11: 06 New
    +1
    Cool, "Black Holes" in the Black Sea! It's like catching a black cat in a dark room ... It's good that the ship is armed with cruise missiles.
  14. leonardo_1971
    leonardo_1971 26 November 2013 11: 09 New
    +2
    I understand that secrecy no longer exists! the latest boat and detailed photos.
    1. kafa
      kafa 26 November 2013 15: 05 New
      +2
      there is a board that can launch a torpedo or a rocket wink and while on the hydrography of the Black Sea this side is not belay
  15. dimon-media
    dimon-media 26 November 2013 11: 18 New
    +3
    The recent events in Syria have proved that Russia needs a strong fleet in the Black (count in the Mediterranean) seas. The boats of this project are also referred to as "Black Holes" for their stealth. With new weapons, they instill terror in any ship.
    1. bif
      bif 26 November 2013 14: 19 New
      12
      And when stealth is not needed, they inspire horror ....
      1. malikszh
        malikszh 26 November 2013 16: 59 New
        0
        Is the photo true? )))
        1. Akhtuba73
          Akhtuba73 26 November 2013 17: 40 New
          +6
          Quote: malikszh
          Is the photo true?

          Didn't you watch the news yesterday? On an official visit, Vladimir Putin to the Vatican, and the boat has so far parked in Milan ...
          We look forward to the President’s trip to Washington and Paris!
        2. Snake4
          Snake4 26 November 2013 20: 03 New
          +2
          On Tuesday, October 1, a submarine “surfaced” on one of the central streets of Milan: citizens and tourists were stunned when they saw that part of the hull and the tail of the submarine were sticking out right in the middle of the road, and pieces of asphalt lay nearby. They did not immediately realize that in front of them ... an advertisement.

          Thus, one of the Italian insurance companies decided to advertise its services. The motto of the advertising campaign is: "Anything can happen." At the same time, the creators thought through the “accident” that occurred due to the submarine: the car that allegedly passed by at the time of the emergency was damaged. Firefighters and police officers who arrived at the scene are also part of the show.
  16. washi
    washi 26 November 2013 11: 33 New
    +2
    At the same time, new submarines are not without drawbacks. The main one is the lack of an air-independent power plant.
    Well, for the Black Sea will go - to protect the South Stream. There are small distances. Our shores are there, it’s also possible to run away under their cover
  17. askort154
    askort154 26 November 2013 11: 46 New
    +8
    31231 ... The article is well written. And of course we are waiting for the boat.

    I thought, why are we always waiting so long ?! Looking at the bottom photo, I realized - only 2 people in the workshop.
    Okay, okay, don’t minus, I was joking.
  18. b-130
    b-130 26 November 2013 12: 02 New
    -1
    There is nothing to spend money until VNU is ready !! Establish shift training for crews and crush, crush science 0 readiness of VNU !!! A good project.
  19. b-130
    b-130 26 November 2013 12: 02 New
    0
    There is nothing to spend money until VNU is ready !! Establish shift training for crews and crush, crush science 0 readiness of VNU !!! A good project.
  20. silver_roman
    silver_roman 26 November 2013 12: 02 New
    +1
    And what is heard about air-independent power plants of domestic production ??? sort of work was being done ... who is aware of the results and when will we be able to complete our diesel-electric submarines? The Germans seem to be at the forefront in this segment!
    1. 1c-inform-city
      1c-inform-city 26 November 2013 13: 06 New
      +2
      They plan to put VNEU on the fourth boat of the 677 project (St. Petersburg). But the Germans stated a paradox that they were going to abandon VNEU. Even for them it’s too expensive to support them.
      1. silver_roman
        silver_roman 26 November 2013 14: 44 New
        0
        Quote: 1c-inform-city
        Even for them it’s too expensive to support them.

        Of course expensive. poor fellows all Europe on their hump pull: Greece, Portugal, Spain, Italy ...
        soon they don’t have enough money for technical inspection of their Mercedes))).
        ps thanks for the answer! hi
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 26 November 2013 23: 59 New
        +3
        Quote: 1c-inform-city
        They plan to put VNEU on the fourth boat of the 677 project (St. Petersburg). But the Germans stated a paradox that they were going to abandon VNEU. Even for them it’s too expensive to support them.

        "St. Petersburg" is our first "attempt". Systems and weapons are now being tested on it, and it has undergone deep-sea tests in the North. Kronstadt will be tested with new lithium-ion batteries.
        Since July 2013, work has begun on the modernization and change of the design for the installation of VNEU. The first VNEU is planned to be installed on the submarine pr.677 "Sevastopol". Delivery to the fleet (on the Northern Fleet) is planned for 2017.
        1. gunnerminer
          gunnerminer 1 December 2013 08: 34 New
          0
          Quote: BoA KAA
          Quote: 1c-inform-city
          They plan to put VNEU on the fourth boat of the 677 project (St. Petersburg). But the Germans stated a paradox that they were going to abandon VNEU. Even for them it’s too expensive to support them.

          "St. Petersburg" is our first "attempt". Systems and weapons are now being tested on it, and it has undergone deep-sea tests in the North. Kronstadt will be tested with new lithium-ion batteries.
          Since July 2013, work has begun on the modernization and change of the design for the installation of VNEU. The first VNEU is planned to be installed on the submarine pr.677 "Sevastopol". Delivery to the fleet (on the Northern Fleet) is planned for 2017.



          They have been ringing for a long time about the readiness to install VNEU on the Sevastopol NAPL. There is still no reliable laboratory sample. There are a bunch of smoked debris in one of the sheds.
  21. Mhpv
    Mhpv 26 November 2013 12: 05 New
    +4
    For the Black Sea Fleet IBF, the very thing is necessary and good weapons and torpedoes and missiles, as the submariners say there - "We wish the number of dives to be equal to the number of surfacing!" soldier
  22. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 26 November 2013 12: 16 New
    +2
    Having just one submarine in the Black Sea is worthless for Russia. Therefore, the long-awaited submarines will be under construction. After all, only Turkey in this region has about 14 submarines. The potential of the Russian Black Sea Fleet needs to be substantially increased.
  23. indiggo
    indiggo 26 November 2013 12: 38 New
    +2
    I absolutely agree on the Black Sea Fleet, you need to have better weapons,
    The potential of the Russian Black Sea Fleet needs to be substantially increased.

    alas, of course it is necessary, but so far this is not possible, we can have a real fleet at the Black Sea Fleet no earlier than 2020, since there is no repair base in Novorossiysk. and with Sevastopol in general incomprehensibility.
  24. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 26 November 2013 12: 44 New
    +2
    This is good.
    BUT!
    6 boats on the Black Sea Fleet is not enough? And also BF ..., and others ...
    How everything is running, how we are allowed to bend under the liberals ... angry
  25. indiggo
    indiggo 26 November 2013 12: 50 New
    +4
    Everything has its time, you must understand that for a given period of time this is the maximum that we can afford, as I already wrote if Ukraine had not blocked the possibility of updating the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol it would have been different. and so to build ships and boats so that they would stand on a raid to burn their resource?
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 27 November 2013 00: 09 New
      +2
      Quote: indiggo
      if Ukraine had not blocked the possibility of updating the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol, it would have been different. and so to build ships and boats so that they would stand on a raid to burn their resource?

      The Black Sea Fleet Submarine Brigade will have 2 base points: Novorossiysk and Sevastopol. (Maybe they’ll agree on Balaclava?).
      Pl on the raid? Perhaps this is possible with the current leadership, but usually the crew lives in a barracks on the shore. A shift takes over the submarine, which ensures its explosion-fire safety.
  26. IsailoR
    IsailoR 26 November 2013 13: 04 New
    +4
    Great boat for the Black Sea Fleet. The absence of VNEU in such a small water area is not important.
    Congratulations to the builders on the coming Descent and the Black Sea Fleet with a new military unit!
    soldier
  27. 1969s9691g.
    1969s9691g. 26 November 2013 13: 07 New
    +2
    when will boats with anaerobic do? Swedes are standing Germans and ours ...
  28. indiggo
    indiggo 26 November 2013 13: 10 New
    +1
    with an independent promise in 2017 ...
  29. understudy
    understudy 26 November 2013 13: 21 New
    0
    The underwater speed remained the same: 3 knots economic and 20 knots maximum.

    Forgive me, the Seaman, but THREE knots for a modern submarine ??? Or is this a mistake?
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    2. gladysheff2010
      gladysheff2010 26 November 2013 16: 30 New
      +4
      Quote: Understudy
      The underwater speed remained the same: 3 knots economic and 20 knots maximum.

      Forgive me, the Seaman, but THREE knots for a modern submarine ??? Or is this a mistake?

      This boat has such indicators, which it has, so you are in a hurry, rejoice at what is available. It’s not some old stuff, but an absolutely adequate project and quite toothy!
    3. MURANO
      MURANO 26 November 2013 16: 43 New
      +4
      Quote: Understudy
      Forgive me, the Seaman, but THREE knots for a modern submarine ??? Or is this a mistake?

      Without much explanation, more speed, more noise.
    4. Dart2027
      Dart2027 26 November 2013 19: 14 New
      +3
      3 knots is when she sneaks on tiptoe. To drive at full steam under the AUG bottoms is not very reasonable.
    5. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 27 November 2013 00: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: Understudy
      Forgive me, the Seaman, but THREE knots for a modern submarine ??? Or is this a mistake?

      It's speed housekeeper: the speed that ensures the most economical consumption of the battery charge and, therefore, the greatest submerged range. You can "run" with a 20-knot stroke, but the battery will run out in half an hour. Increased strokes are needed to break away from the PLC, take the position of a volley, etc.
      1. gunnerminer
        gunnerminer 1 December 2013 08: 36 New
        0
        Quote: BoA KAA
        Quote: Understudy
        Forgive me, the Seaman, but THREE knots for a modern submarine ??? Or is this a mistake?

        It's speed housekeeper: the speed that ensures the most economical consumption of the battery charge and, therefore, the greatest submerged range. You can "run" with a 20-knot stroke, but the battery will run out in half an hour. Increased strokes are needed to break away from the PLC, take the position of a volley, etc.



        According to the Tactical Guide of Submarines, this is the lowest possible speed for a non-nuclear submarine. When searching in the area or at the turn.
    6. Assistant
      Assistant 27 November 2013 23: 49 New
      0
      Forgive me, the Seaman, but THREE knots for a modern submarine ??? Or is this a mistake?


      To all of the above: I do not know if this is true or not, but according to the stated data, the noise emitted by Project 636 submarines when traveling at a speed of no more than 3 knots does not exceed the background noise of the sea.
      1. gunnerminer
        gunnerminer 1 December 2013 09: 58 New
        0
        Quote: Assistant
        Forgive me, the Seaman, but THREE knots for a modern submarine ??? Or is this a mistake?


        To all of the above: I do not know if this is true or not, but according to the stated data, the noise emitted by Project 636 submarines when traveling at a speed of no more than 3 knots does not exceed the background noise of the sea.


        The minimum low-noise speed and a half knots for non-nuclear submarines according to the TRPL. The probability of detecting a lolca is characterized not only by its speed of movement.
  30. slovak007
    slovak007 26 November 2013 14: 02 New
    +1
    Being a sturdy, the phrase is not entirely clear:
    "So, all" Varshavyanka "are 73,8 meters long, more than 50 of which account for on the strong case".
    ETOGES, what turns out to be 23,8 m made of rubber? And in general, the case itself must be durable, otherwise it will not fulfill its function.
    1. MURANO
      MURANO 26 November 2013 15: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: slovak007
      ETOGES, what turns out to be 23,8 m made of rubber? And in general, the case itself must be durable, otherwise it will not fulfill its function.

      Google a submarine device.
    2. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 26 November 2013 15: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: slovak007
      Being a sturdy, the phrase is not entirely clear:
      "So, all" Varshavyanka "are 73,8 meters long, more than 50 of which account for on the strong case".
      ETOGES, what turns out to be 23,8 m made of rubber? And in general, the case itself must be durable, otherwise it will not fulfill its function.

      Soviet / Russian submarines have 2 hulls, light (external) and durable (internal). hi
      1. slovak007
        slovak007 26 November 2013 18: 47 New
        +1
        Clear. Thank. wink
  31. Romanychby
    Romanychby 26 November 2013 14: 11 New
    +2
    Finally, they did something for themselves and not for export.
  32. Dmitry Zurn
    Dmitry Zurn 26 November 2013 14: 36 New
    10
    Previously, for a photograph of a screw, they would have sent to Magadan, closer to nature. Now please.
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 26 November 2013 15: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: Dmitry Zurn
      Previously, for a photograph of a screw, they would have sent to Magadan, closer to nature. Now please.

      I think this is a photo of an export boat.
  33. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 26 November 2013 15: 21 New
    +4
    Many thanks to Kirill for such a review article. But we must understand that the construction of 6 diesel-electric submarines of project 636.3 for the Black Sea Fleet is a forced measure. Today, the situation with this type of ships in the Russian Navy is to say the least "awful". In total, there are 18 diesel-electric submarines in the fleets (17 project 877 and their modifications and 1 project 677 in trial operation). At the Black Sea Fleet we have 1 diesel-electric submarine - "Alrosa". Project 677 is not finished. That is why it was decided to build 6 diesel-electric submarines of project 636.3 for the Black Sea Fleet. The project has been worked out and practically completed in 3 years. We are waiting next year in the fleet of 3 boats of this project.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 27 November 2013 00: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: VohaAhov
      In total, the fleets of 18 diesel-electric submarines (17 of the 877 project and their modifications and 1 of the 677 project in trial operation).

      You did not take into account "St. Petersburg" (project 677), B-380 (Black Sea Fleet, project 641b)
      "Diesel submarines: BF-2; ChF-2 (1 + 1); SF-7 (5 + 2); TOF-8 (6 + 2) and also" St. Petersburg "(Northern Fleet). Total: 22 pl (17 + 5) 17- in service, 5-repair, reserve, modernization.
      http://russian-ships.info/today/
  34. Generalissimus
    Generalissimus 26 November 2013 15: 35 New
    +4
    Quote: Dmitry Zurn
    Previously, for a photograph of a screw, they would have sent to Magadan, closer to nature. Now please.

    I am also very surprised by this photo. If I'm not mistaken, you can calculate the "footprint" of the boat by the appearance of the propeller. Therefore, they are always hidden from prying eyes.
    It is very strange to see this on the Internet.
    1. vadson
      vadson 26 November 2013 15: 56 New
      +2
      can ours made a knight's move in photoshop? nehai miscalculated
  35. xomaNN
    xomaNN 26 November 2013 15: 58 New
    +2
    Hello dear LAO! The "smoking room" is alive and has been building the submarine for several decades. Of course, their nuclear submarines 671 pr. Looked more powerful.
  36. lelikas
    lelikas 26 November 2013 16: 07 New
    0
    For a long time in those screws there is nothing secret. (but for probable friends it wasn’t)
  37. bddrus
    bddrus 26 November 2013 17: 18 New
    +1
    judging by the photos of April, can they really let me down in November?
  38. Keeper
    Keeper 26 November 2013 18: 17 New
    +1
    I think that with the "stuffing" the guys at the "factory" tried not to advertise ... The wrappers out, and the berries for later))
  39. Poruchik 90
    Poruchik 90 26 November 2013 18: 55 New
    +1
    Quote: AVV
    And judging from the name of pl. she will be in Novorossiysk, as I understand it !!! New boats at the Black Sea Fleet are very necessary !!!

    Probably yes. The agreement on the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol will have to be reviewed for a very long time (unfortunately).
  40. luka095
    luka095 26 November 2013 19: 08 New
    +2
    Article "plus". Clear and understandable. It's good that the submarine is under construction. The main thing is to be on time, without delays.
  41. novorosdon
    novorosdon 26 November 2013 21: 03 New
    +2
    We can when we want.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 27 November 2013 00: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: novorosdon
      We can when we want.

      We can, when it squeezes and there is nowhere else to go. The peculiarity of the Russian character! ("Russians - what can you take from them!" (C))
  42. lonshakovpetr
    lonshakovpetr 26 November 2013 21: 20 New
    +1
    Well then, a start has been made. soldier
  43. ed65b
    ed65b 26 November 2013 21: 21 New
    +3
    oh yes beauty, especially on a slipway with a screw, smooth, you are our dolphin !!!! smile
    1. Shur
      Shur 26 November 2013 22: 16 New
      0
      Orca-beautiful! ;)
  44. typhoon7
    typhoon7 26 November 2013 21: 31 New
    0
    Such news is always encouraging. Thanks to the author. And the boat is beautiful!
  45. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 27 November 2013 09: 09 New
    +2
    Quote: BoA KAA
    Quote: VohaAhov
    In total, the fleets of 18 diesel-electric submarines (17 of the 877 project and their modifications and 1 of the 677 project in trial operation).

    You did not take into account "St. Petersburg" (project 677), B-380 (Black Sea Fleet, project 641b)
    "Diesel submarines: BF-2; ChF-2 (1 + 1); SF-7 (5 + 2); TOF-8 (6 + 2) and also" St. Petersburg "(Northern Fleet). Total: 22 pl (17 + 5) 17- in service, 5-repair, reserve, modernization.
    http://russian-ships.info/today/

    How could I not take it into account? "St. Petersburg" is the very diesel-electric submarine of project 677, which is in trial operation. The project 877 diesel-electric submarine "Novosibirsk" was written off at the Northern Fleet, and the B-380 from the Black Sea Fleet is undergoing such a long repair that it is possible not to talk about its return to service. And the boat itself, even if it comes into operation, is not of great combat value.
    Summarize:
    At the Northern Fleet, we have 6 diesel-electric submarines of project 877 (of which 2 are under repair), plus 1 diesel-electric submarines of project 677 "St. Petersburg" (in trial operation) for a total of 7 (and we count - 4, because 2 are under repair, and 1 is experimental)
    We have 2 DEPL of the 877 project at the BF (both of them are under repair). Total 0
    At the Black Sea Fleet, 1 diesel-electric submarine of project 877 and 1 of project 641B (in perpetual repair). Total 1
    At the Pacific Fleet we have 8 diesel-electric submarines of project 877 (2 of them under repair). Total 6
    To summarize: a total of 17 diesel-electric submarines of project 877 (of which 6 are under repair and count 11), 1 diesel-electric submarines of project 677 (and the experienced one, we consider 0), 1 diesel-electric submarines of project 641B (perpetual repair, we consider - 0)
    This is how arithmetic turns out.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 27 November 2013 09: 50 New
      +2
      Quote: VohaAhov
      We have 2 DEPL of the 877 project at the BF (both of them are under repair). Total 0

      Good morning, Vladimir. Without an operative information on the composition of the fleet (like the OD for a day, as of "__"), it is difficult to calculate the combat composition of forces with an accuracy of one (PG, reserves of 1 and 2 categories, etc.) The only thing that repair boats can be considered "0" if the strong hull and main mechanisms are disassembled. And so everything is in accordance with the schedule of accelerated commissioning (in terms of BG). But in any case, thanks for the information.
      1. shpuntik
        shpuntik 27 November 2013 19: 00 New
        0
        Lieutenant general
        Boa KAA RU Today, 09:50 ↑
        Good morning, Vladimir.Not having a fleet composition report (as with OD for a day, as of "__"), it is difficult to calculate the combat composition of forces (PG, reserve categories 1 and 2, etc.) with an accuracy of one.

        Alexander, I welcome you, but with all due respect, I have to note that you are inattentively reading comments. Why hide behind opersvodkoy?
        They write to you:
        Quote: VohaAhov
        A total of 18 diesel-electric submarines in the fleets (17 projects 877 and their modifications and 1 project 677 in trial operation).

        You answer:
        You did not take into account "St. Petersburg" (Project 677), B-380 (Black Sea Fleet, pr 641b)

        They repeat it to you, and instead of admitting a mistake, you begin to say that you do not have an operational report. what
        Unfortunately, my nine comments were deleted due to handwriting, in our recent dialogue, I will not duplicate them, there is little time. I hope you managed to read them.
        In general, be careful, good luck. hi
    2. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 1 December 2013 08: 40 New
      0
      Quote: VohaAhov
      Quote: BoA KAA
      Quote: VohaAhov
      In total, the fleets of 18 diesel-electric submarines (17 of the 877 project and their modifications and 1 of the 677 project in trial operation).

      You did not take into account "St. Petersburg" (project 677), B-380 (Black Sea Fleet, project 641b)
      "Diesel submarines: BF-2; ChF-2 (1 + 1); SF-7 (5 + 2); TOF-8 (6 + 2) and also" St. Petersburg "(Northern Fleet). Total: 22 pl (17 + 5) 17- in service, 5-repair, reserve, modernization.
      http://russian-ships.info/today/

      How could I not take it into account? "St. Petersburg" is the very diesel-electric submarine of project 677, which is in trial operation. The project 877 diesel-electric submarine "Novosibirsk" was written off at the Northern Fleet, and the B-380 from the Black Sea Fleet is undergoing such a long repair that it is possible not to talk about its return to service. And the boat itself, even if it comes into operation, is not of great combat value.
      Summarize:
      At the Northern Fleet, we have 6 diesel-electric submarines of project 877 (of which 2 are under repair), plus 1 diesel-electric submarines of project 677 "St. Petersburg" (in trial operation) for a total of 7 (and we count - 4, because 2 are under repair, and 1 is experimental)
      We have 2 DEPL of the 877 project at the BF (both of them are under repair). Total 0
      At the Black Sea Fleet, 1 diesel-electric submarine of project 877 and 1 of project 641B (in perpetual repair). Total 1
      At the Pacific Fleet we have 8 diesel-electric submarines of project 877 (2 of them under repair). Total 6
      To summarize: a total of 17 diesel-electric submarines of project 877 (of which 6 are under repair and count 11), 1 diesel-electric submarines of project 677 (and the experienced one, we consider 0), 1 diesel-electric submarines of project 641B (perpetual repair, we consider - 0)
      This is how arithmetic turns out.


      You have given quantitative indicators. There are 1 times less linear boats with authorized crews that completed the L-2. L-3. L-4 according to the KDPL (combat training course for diesel submarines). In KChF, for example, there are no such boats.
  46. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 27 November 2013 15: 37 New
    +1
    Quote: BoA KAA
    Quote: VohaAhov
    We have 2 DEPL of the 877 project at the BF (both of them are under repair). Total 0

    Good morning, Vladimir. Without an operative information on the composition of the fleet (like the OD for a day, as of "__"), it is difficult to calculate the combat composition of forces with an accuracy of one (PG, reserves of 1 and 2 categories, etc.) The only thing that repair boats can be considered "0" if the strong hull and main mechanisms are disassembled. And so everything is in accordance with the schedule of accelerated commissioning (in terms of BG). But in any case, thanks for the information.

    Happy to help. But the plus sign would not hurt.
  47. kenig1
    kenig1 27 November 2013 16: 16 New
    0
    Photoshop screw, no one will show a real screw.
  48. Professorenok
    Professorenok 27 November 2013 18: 57 New
    0
    Please clarify, quote - In some sources, Project 636.3 boats are called the quietest in the world. ??? As far as I know, the USSR all the time lagged behind the USA in noise due to a lag in the machine tool industry. And over 20 years of devastation, all of them were suddenly beaten by this indicator? It’s strange.
    1. shpuntik
      shpuntik 29 November 2013 01: 05 New
      0
      Professorenok UA Yesterday, 18:57
      Please clarify, quote - In some sources, Project 636.3 boats are called the quietest in the world. ???

      When a machine was needed, it was mined. Remember the 80s Toshiba scandal? There would be money. Or here's a recent story: http://www.ibk.ru/7759.html
      Noisiness remained due to the larger area of ​​the hull, in comparison with single-hull submarines SHA. We successfully apply cascade depreciation.
      Here is a video on acoustics, claims to “Rubin-Spassky”, and he is not the only one talking about it. He borscht about Said Baba in my opinion, but he speaks correctly in acoustics.

  49. Druid
    Druid 27 November 2013 21: 46 New
    0
    They’re nowhere to be based. Most likely, Ukraine will not let news in Sevastopol, even if they enter the TS, etc., and Novorossiysk is small and vulnerable.
  50. KOH
    KOH 28 November 2013 06: 06 New
    0
    Quote: Professorenok
    Please clarify, quote - In some sources, Project 636.3 boats are called the quietest in the world. ??? As far as I know, the USSR all the time lagged behind the USA in noise due to a lag in the machine tool industry. And over 20 years of devastation, all of them were suddenly beaten by this indicator? It’s strange.


    But what about the "Black Hole"? The striped so called our Varshavyanka ..., I don't remember what year, 6 or 9 Soviet boats went out to sea, but they were tracked until a certain time, and then they suddenly disappeared ..., and there was a big kipish ...