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Andriy Vajra: Ukrainian nationalism is just as good for fools as Ukrainian communism

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Andriy Vajra: Ukrainian nationalism is just as good for fools as Ukrainian communism



In a new interview for Controversies - a conversation with the editor-in-chief of the information-analytical site “Alternative” Andrei Vajra about the meaning of Ukrainian politics, about the hetmanship of Viktor Yanukovich and why “Freedom” needs the faith of Ukrainians in Bandera.

- On your Facebook page you recently wrote that Ukrainian politics is meaningless. Why do you think so?

- Politics is a struggle of interests and a struggle for interests. It is a struggle between individuals and human communities of different sizes, from the smallest social groups to peoples and multiethnic conglomerates. The state, which is the subject of political relations, is the main instrument for protecting the interests of individual citizens, social groups and society as a whole. Therefore, the policy of a state that is unable to protect the interests of individual citizens and society as a whole is meaningless.

For more than twenty years of its existence, the Ukrainian state has clearly demonstrated to its population and the whole world that it is unable to protect the interests of Ukrainian society. Neither domestically or internationally.

I will not once again list a huge number of facts that demonstrate the absolute impotence of the Ukrainian state, or more precisely, the project “Ukraina”. Anyone who is interested can refer to my articles, saturated with similar facts.

I will give only one, the most recent example - the level of purchasing power of Ukrainian citizens. According to this indicator, in accordance with the research of the international company GfK, our country is in the penultimate place in Europe! The worst situation only Moldovans. Similarly, the situation with the GDP per capita. Ukraine is practically the most impoverished country in Europe!

Absolutely helpless, incompetent Ukraine and in foreign policy. In the international arena, the Ukrainian state could not find subjectivity. Ukraine is an empty place in world politics. That is why her elite and dreams to find a new owner in the person of EU officials. This would fill Ukrainian politics with at least some meaning. Though a stranger.

And now let's ask ourselves: if Ukrainian politics is not capable of protecting the interests of Ukrainian citizens and Ukrainian society, then what is the point of this policy? Where is he? Where is the politics of the Ukrainian state pursued by the Ukrainian “panstvo” for more than twenty years, at least some sense?

The secret does not exist.

If one assesses the Ukrainian policy by its results, then it is a continuous process of destruction of the country and its population, accompanied by enrichment of the ruling elite. Or the destruction of Ukraine and its population is the meaning of Ukrainian politics?

- Does Russian or European politics have any meaning?

- There is. To do this, you just need to look at the Russian and European achievements, at the financial and economic statistics of Russia and Europe. The Old World is a global giant. The Russian Federation is an intensively growing giant. Despite all their difficulties, problems and crises, they have their own goals, and they progressively move forward. Unlike Ukraine, which is moving backwards, striving for self-nulling. It distinguishes it from both Russia and Europe.

- Will Russia or the EU help give meaningfulness to Ukrainian politics?

- Not. You can borrow money, but you can not borrow brains. The senselessness of the Ukrainian policy stems from the senselessness of the Ukraina project itself. From the outside it is impossible to bring meaning into it. Russia or the EU can only absorb Ukraine and thereby attach it to their political meanings.

- In your opinion, Ukraine as a separate state does not make sense?

- Well, what sense can Bavaria, for example, have in proclaiming its “neutralization” from Germany? The only meaning in this case is the preservation of this "Nezalezhnosti" at any cost, even if it contradicts the interests of the inhabitants of this German land and common sense in general.

What will the ruling Bavarian elite do? Its first president will most likely write a book “Bavaria is not Germany”, and the Bavarian intelligentsia based on the Bavarian dialect will come up with a non-German Bavarian literary language and will force it into the society, simultaneously telling the Bavarian population how many centuries Germany enslaved and oppressed Bavaria . That sounds absurd. But we are accustomed to such an absurdity, but we seriously believe after Pan Kravchuk, Pan Kuchma, Pan Yushchenko and Pan Yanukovych that Ukraine is not Russia.

Therefore, the whole point of Ukraine is to strive at all costs to prove to itself and the whole world that it is not Russia.

- For what?

“If you do not take into account the passionate desire of the so-called Ukrainian elite to“ nezalezhno ”“ saw ”the country and rob the local population, then Ukraine’s aspiration to prove that it is not Russia is a psychiatric mystery. I have repeatedly written that the existence of the project “Ukraina” is a psychiatric phenomenon. It is impossible to understand from the point of view of common sense.

The meaning in Ukraine would be if it gave something to the population of the former Ukrainian SSR. But the situation is such that the project “Ukraina” only takes away everything that can be taken from it. "Nezalezhnist" is история losses of citizens of Ukraine, but not acquisitions. Only the present “seniority” and “hetmanism”, fiercely hated by the common people, grow fat on “neutrality”. And this simple people wither and bend. Then what's the point in Ukraine? Why does she need the common people? For what?

- Eurointegration of Ukraine - the light at the end of the tunnel or the train that will bring down standing on the tracks? Who will benefit from European integration, who will lose?

- There is no European integration. And never was. This is a myth, a fairy tale, a bluff, a lie ... The so-called Ukrainian European integration does not belong to reality in any way. Ukrainian European integration is only a set of official papers signed by Kiev and Brussels. In reality, European integration does not exist. This is a picture on the TV. And for ordinary people, European integration is a dream. The dream of a full, comfortable and happy life. This is something like the myth of the paradise bushes and the communist utopia.

I have repeatedly said that modern Europe is very different from the Ukrainian ideological tale about it, which Ukrainian politicians tell Ukrainian citizens. That Europe, about which the Ukrainian visionaries dream, does not exist, never existed and never will exist.

In addition, Ukraine as a full member of the EU is not needed by Europe. And not because the Europeans are evil, but because the Ukrainians for them are substandard individuals in every sense of the word. We are for them wild, stupid, lazy and greedy barbarians. Between us and the Europeans - the abyss. There is an insurmountable gulf between us in mentality, culture, economy, lifestyle, worldview, values ​​and other very important things. It is irresistible! Only a fool can not understand!

And no signed papers with the EU will eliminate this objective irresistible. No associations will make an average European out of a “peachy” Ukrainian.

The whole theme of European integration is empty chatter. There is nothing to discuss here, because the European integration process itself does not exist. This is a fairy tale invented by the ruling Ukrainian elite for ordinary citizens so that they do not become hung in large numbers from Ukrainian longing and despair. Europe is for us as the kingdom of heaven. We are all told to endure the horrors of the Ukrainian "Nezalezhnosti" because this "Nezalezhnist" is supposedly the main condition for "ascension" in the EU. People suffer. Torment. Then they die. But the EU is not getting closer. Rather the opposite. Eurointegration is a hoax.

- Where would Ukraine be better in the CU, the EU? Or would she rather be non-aligned?

- Ukraine would be better not to be. But I tell you a secret.

- In what sense not to be?

- Ukraine is better not to be in the same way as not to be non-German Bavaria. Negerman Bavaria is nonsense. In the same way as the existence of non-Russian Russia in the form of a so-called. Ukraine is also nonsense.

I will ask you another question: would it be better for Russia to be Rus, Nerus / Anti-Rus or to remain nothing? It seems to me that the answer is obvious.

If we take the purely economic aspect, Ukraine has no choice between the CU and the EU. For objective reasons, it can only be part of the Russian economic space. Like it or not, but the Wishlist doesn’t matter in this case. The fish live in the water, the birds in the trees, and the worms in the ground. You can, of course, throw the fish into a tree, and bury the bird in the ground, but this will only be good for worms.

- Will Yanukovych become an obedient vassal of the EU or will he bend his line?

- Will not. Any true Ukrainian vassal wants to betray and sell his overlord. We are already seeing the process of avoiding agreements with the EU. And even earlier, Yanukovych betrayed the Russian Federation. Before that, he betrayed his voters. Viktor Fedorovich is a real Ukrainian hetman. And that's it.

Betrayal is the main algorithm and driving principle of Ukrainian politics. Therefore, you should not worry, Yanukovych will not be anyone's vassal, he will lie to his political end, dodge, break promises and betray. “The Kozat family of Nem Peevod” ...

- Zharikhin said that the EU will soon realize what a delight it is to deal with Ukraine. Is he right? Will Yanukovych be able to beat (or, more simply, throw) the European Union?

“My God, what nonsense ... Why did Zharikhin suddenly decide that the EU does not know what Ukraine is? Why such naivety? In Europe, everyone knows for a long time and there are no illusions on this score. They just play their game. Yanukovych will not be able to beat Europeans. For this, brains are needed. Therefore, in this sense, I am absolutely calm for Europe.

- Are there parties in Ukraine in the classical sense of the word? If not, why not?

- In Ukraine, there are only trade political brands. And their owners make money on these brands.

But there are no political parties as such in Ukraine, because the needs of Ukrainian citizens are reduced to cheap sausage and vodka. Ukraine managed in the shortest possible time to build a perfect consumer society, where all ideas, including political ones, are reduced to the idea of ​​unlimited consumption. A politician may be a liberal, a communist, a conservative, a nationalist, but whatever rhetoric he uses, everything will ultimately be reduced to an “idea” to eat a hearty meal, and I apologize, to poke thickly. If according to Pelevin, then practically everything in Ukraine became one continuous “rotozhopia”.

But in order to differ from this “rotozhopia” from each other, politicians need branding. Someone leads the population to the triumph of "rotozhopii" under the flags of liberalism, someone of communism, and someone suggests believing in Bandera, without which the supposedly final victory of "rotozhopii" on Ukrainian soil is impossible.

We live in the postmodern era, where meaning has given way to form, and literally everything becomes a commodity. Therefore, when a politician (with a “pika” that does not fit on a television screen) starts broadcasting you beautifully from a high rostrum about some idealistic principles, you can immediately send him to ... because he is trying to “sniff” his trading brand in exchange for your vote, which is equivalent to a certain amount of money.

- Can a nationalist party carry a positive idea?

- Positive can be found in everything. Including in nationalism. There would be a desire. Nationalism is the same idea as everyone else. But that is not the problem. The problem is that Ukrainian nationalism is exactly the same snag for fools as, for example, Ukrainian communism.

Only a weak individual can believe that at the moment there are Ukrainian nationalists. The last Ukrainian nationalists MGB finished off in caches in the 50-s of the last century in the forests of the Carpathians. And those individuals who are now positioning themselves as Ukrainian nationalists are only cynical traders of the nationalist brand. They just make money on the bones of the "warriors" of the UPA.

The large-scale nationalist propaganda launched now in our society is only an advertising and marketing expansion of the political market of traders with a nationalist brand.

In this sense, Liberty VO is the most successful business project.

The more Ukrainian citizens will believe in the greatness of Bandera, the more luxurious will be the palace of Pan Tyagnibok near Kiev and the more expensive his personal “avtivka”.

We live in such times, when in order to become a millionaire, you must either organize your pseudo-religious sect, or pseudo-political party. For Ukrainian conditions, this is the best business option.

People by nature do not like to think (it is difficult), but they like to believe (it is simple). No need to strain. Just believe in something, and you will be happy. That is the reason for the success of the “Embassy of God”, Sunday Adelaja and IN “Freedom” Oleg Pyagnibok. In our troubled, psychoneurotic times, the faith of the masses is easily occluded.

- Does VO "Freedom" have a future? And, actually, does each of the country's largest political forces have a future?

- The future of Freedom is directly related to the scale of neuroticism in Ukrainian society. The more extensive the neurotization of the masses is, the more triumphantly Ukrainian nationalism will march around the country. I have already said that the project “Ukraina” is a largely psychiatric phenomenon.

True, this whole neurotic process goes nowhere. The project “Ukraina” is ineffective, incapable and doomed under any political brand.

In my opinion, it makes no sense to consider the future of political parties in Ukraine. If only because there is no future for Ukraine itself. Ukraine is a long-term disintegration process. No wonder that in 2005, I began my cycle of articles on Ukraine under the general title “Decay”. Then, few understood this, now it is obvious, if not all, then to the majority of citizens of Ukraine.

- What is your opinion about modern Ukrainian culture?

- What is it? ...

What you call Ukrainian culture is practically no different from Ukrainian politics. T.N. Ukrainian culture is an empty place of world culture.

Is Ukrainian culture the choral chants in embroidered shirts and fervent dances in bloomers? Or is Ukrainian culture a dozen modern Pysmennykiv, whose books are completely unreadable? Or is Ukrainian culture the variety of psycho-sexual deviations that are periodically displayed at the Pinchuk Art Center?

In my opinion, Ukrainian culture is only a unique material for psychiatric research, which, perhaps, once will help doctors understand the essence of such a mass neurosis as Ukrainians.

- What negative trends do you see in Ukrainian society? And in Europe? In the world? Is it possible to overcome them, and if so, how?

- I do not divide the world into negative and positive. Although people who are prone to Manicheism very often see in my words just the desire to reduce something to a positive, and something to a negative.

Black-and-white images in which the forces of light fight against the forces of darkness are nothing more than a modern version of the philistine mythology from the “our” series is good, and “not ours” is evil. And the funny thing is that even if we accept the black-and-white philosophy of good and evil, we will have to admit that Ukraine is not able either to indulge in evil, or to ascend to the heights of holiness. We are dominated by grayness, incapable of either good or evil.

For me, the main thing is to understand the meaning of what is happening, to see its hidden mechanism and call things by their proper names. Often it looks impartial. But I never reduce anything to a black and white picture. It is not interesting.

For example, when I say that Ukrainian culture does not exist, I say this not because I don’t like what is now called Ukrainian culture, but because from the point of view of cultural studies, Ukrainian culture really has not been formed, that now only exists in certain intellectual circles, the speculative idea of ​​the existence of Ukrainian culture. There is no negative or positive. Here is just a statement of fact, which may seem offensive to someone.

I am not interested in dividing the world into negative and positive, into black and white. In addition, I do not consider the world black and white. In my opinion, the world is a collection of an infinite number of shades. And these shades do not have to be overcome, since they themselves overcome each other in a natural way. This is the essence of life as such.
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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 26 November 2013 08: 07
    21
    I recommend Akim and Kars for reading. No matter how bitter it sounds, but from reality winked
    1. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 26 November 2013 08: 15
      14
      Someone needs to cut the truth of the uterus. And Vajra does it intelligibly.

      I disagree with one thing: "The last Ukrainian nationalists of the MGB were finished off in the caches in the 50s of the last century in the forests of the Carpathian region."
      - They didn’t finish out Ukrainian nationalists there, but ANTI-Ukrainian ones.
      Ukraine is an Orthodox country. And Bandera exterminated Orthodox priests right up to the metropolitan. "Bandera" against Orthodoxy: narodsobor.com.ua/news/view/17/
      1. sergey32
        sergey32 26 November 2013 08: 40
        13
        The truth is the truth, something good for the Ukrainians did only with the Russians.
        Recently I was on vacation abroad. At the hotel you could make an appointment for excursions on your own, you had to fill out a column on nationality to recruit groups. At first, the list had two surnames with the affiliation of Ukraine, a day later, when the organizers could not decide which group to identify these two comrades in, in the column through the fraction was added Russian.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 November 2013 08: 42
          +3
          Quote: sergey32
          in the graph through the fraction was added Russian.

          Not so sick laughing
          1. Orel
            Orel 26 November 2013 09: 06
            +5
            One thing is certain in the article. Wherever Ukraine moves, east or west, everything will end the same, loss of independence and the disappearance of the state (there will be only a screen with a name, everything else will be under the control of either Brussels or Moscow)
            1. domokl
              domokl 26 November 2013 09: 37
              +3
              Quote: Orel
              One thing is certain in the article. Wherever Ukraine moves, to the East or to the West, everything will end the same, the loss of independence and the disappearance of the state

              I wonder why? That Belarus or Kazakhstan lost their independence? I think you are fundamentally wrong. Ukraine should take place as a state. And this can only be done in union with the CU ... The form of the union may be different, but it is necessary for Ukraine .
              And your statement, except of course your words, is not confirmed by anything.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 26 November 2013 10: 20
                +5
                Quote: domokl
                .Ukraine should take place as a state

                Hi Sanya! Yes, it doesn’t matter how it is in the TS, the essence is that they grind Ukrainians in their heads. I went to the Ukrainian site, and there, I went out to the 6th ward.
                1. domokl
                  domokl 26 November 2013 10: 24
                  +5
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Hi Sanya! D

                  Categorically hi !!! I was there .. It’s disgusting to read most of the comments. It feels like they are clearly dosing. They don’t even grind it, they have already hammered it. But for that, you can earn from 50 to 100 hryvnia for the day of the fight on the Maidan for the EU ... A bunch of announcements found lol
              2. EvilLion
                EvilLion 26 November 2013 16: 07
                +3
                It’s also time to end this crap with Belarus, the Union State, so allied, and not the circus.
                Ukraine as a state cannot take place for one simple reason, you cannot declare 80% of Russians as Ukrainians, you can only single out Galicia, but it will quickly slide below Zimbabwe. And if you throw away MOV, trousers, Eurobred, ... and finally get down to business, then the question involuntarily arises, why the hell is a separate Russian state needed to set up border posts? Of course, there will be people like Kars who will say that Ukraine should be so that sons from Kiev are not sent somewhere to the Caucasus and in general Russian Imperial ambitions are a problem for Russia, but you know, you know, it is no different from the current parasitism without giving anything in return ... Russia is not obliged to tolerate this, which means that gas will be discounted, but not at the domestic price, and no engines from Sych for Alligators and much more can be found, in the end, if not flogged, then in the Russian Federation itself they can also there are smart ones who will say that we will be an independent state, we will leave economic ties, because we want to eat, but we will not pay for your missiles.
            2. AVV
              AVV 26 November 2013 10: 59
              +1
              With all the variety of choices, there are no other alternatives !!! But in the end, the welfare of the people will depend on this! This is the most important thing !!! And once you make the wrong choice, you don’t have to kick someone like the Balts are doing now!
        2. bomg.77
          bomg.77 26 November 2013 13: 05
          +2
          Quote: sergey32
          The truth is the truth, something good for the Ukrainians did only with the Russians.
        3. Ross
          Ross 27 November 2013 10: 49
          +1
          The smartest article on Ukraine in recent times.
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 26 November 2013 08: 43
        10
        How can Polish-Austrian Ukraine be Orthodox? This Little Russia was Orthodox and Ukrainians were cut there already in the 18 century, because nefig.
    2. seller trucks
      26 November 2013 10: 02
      +4
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      I recommend Akim and Kars for reading. No matter how bitter it sounds, but from reality


      As far as I know Akim, he does not participate in such discussions, and Kars, I am still on the "black list".

      Now about the article, Vajra, I know / read for a long time, even when his interviews in "Polar Star" (the resource PZ died in the Bose) were published, then I read "The Way of Evil", extremely interesting, but a little difficult in writing / reading style, personally for me, incidentally, if anyone is interested in Lunev on the RP, you can download it, I promise you will not regret it, at one time I had a handbook. I liked the article, therefore, and offered to read, it is true, there is, but, according to his comments on "Altenatio", I did not agree with him that he did not like the "passive" attitude of the Kremlin and VVP personally to the PR of the TS in Ukrainian space, time judged, GDP was right.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 26 November 2013 10: 22
        +3
        Quote: seller trucks
        as far as I know Akim, he does not participate in such discussions

        I argue with him regularly, but hoarse keys on the computer.
        Quote: seller trucks
        and Kars, I am still on the blacklist.

        We argue with Kars, too, I'm waiting for how to pull myself up laughing
        1. bomg.77
          bomg.77 26 November 2013 10: 26
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          We argue with Kars, too, I'm waiting for how to pull myself up

          Is Kars not banned?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 26 November 2013 10: 28
            +4
            Quote: bomg.77

            Is Kars not banned?

            This is where the news is from? Damn, looked and just banned, probably burned on the square wassat
            1. bomg.77
              bomg.77 26 November 2013 10: 34
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Quote: bomg.77

              Is Kars not banned?

              This is where the news is from? Damn, looked and just banned, probably burned on the square wassat

              A couple of days ago after heated debate over Ukraine
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 26 November 2013 10: 46
                +2
                Quote: bomg.77

                A couple of days ago after heated debate over Ukraine

                Well, nothing, Akim will not come banned and a new series will begin laughing
            2. Hudo
              Hudo 26 November 2013 16: 28
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Is Kars not banned?

              This is where the news is from? Damn, looked and just banned, probably burned on the square


              The lack of solidity and ukroidiotism have not led anyone to anything good.
    3. biglow
      biglow 26 November 2013 17: 26
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      I recommend Akim and Kars for reading. No matter how bitter it sounds, but from reality winked

      Akim and Kars probably do not have enough bile today laughing to comment on this article.
      Andrei Vajra is well done, although he hides his identity but speaks the truth and nothing but the truth .. good
  2. Echo
    Echo 26 November 2013 08: 19
    +5
    Ukraine can be Ukraine only as part of Russia. And in a state of utter lack of meaning, senseless and merciless, Ukraine can be anything - Spain, Urkaina, VGN (Temporary Geographical Misunderstanding), Kakland ... but not Ukraine. And what they will become with the EU is a separate conversation altogether.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 November 2013 08: 25
      +8
      Quote: Echo
      And in a state of non-fallout,

      Yes, what is the independence, from whom, from what ??? An invented country with an invented history and the same politicians as clowns who themselves cannot understand what they should do next with this independence. But the bottom line is that they rested on the wall and have to go somewhere further, but where to go is in the west , and from the east Putin with a pipe laughing
    2. Krasnoarmeec
      Krasnoarmeec 26 November 2013 09: 08
      +4
      Quote: Echo
      - No. You can borrow money, but you can not borrow brains.


      And there’s nothing to add .....
      1. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 26 November 2013 10: 22
        +1
        Quote: Krasnoarmeec
        Quote: Echo
        - No. You can borrow money, but you can not borrow brains.


        And there’s nothing to add .....



        Why nothing? = WHAT WILL GIVE THEM?
    3. domokl
      domokl 26 November 2013 09: 43
      +3
      Quote: Echo
      Ukraine can be Ukraine only as part of Russia

      Sorry, but this is complete nonsense. Who needs Ukraine to disappear as a separate independent state? Russian? Doesn’t it bother us, for example, the independence of Belarus ... How will Ukraine's independence be worse? Ukrainians? Also nonsense. A generation has grown up for which Russia is abroad . The same country as the rest.
      The future of Ukraine is not in the loss of independence or entry into somewhere else. The future in the future, while maintaining legal independence, to create the economic base of this very independence. Only in this case, the discontent in Ukrainian society will stop.
      1. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 26 November 2013 10: 16
        -3
        Quote: domokl
        Only in this case will cease discord in Ukrainian society.


        only one who is full of discord will refuse for a while. And satiety is just around the corner!

        A politician can be a liberal, a communist, a conservative, or a nationalist, but no matter what rhetoric he uses, everything will ultimately come down to his “idea” of satisfying food and, sorry, a thick drink. If according to Pelevin, then practically everything in Ukraine has become one continuous “rotozhopiya”.



        Simply!? but for sure

        It is unlikely that this = “rotozhopiya” will be able to recall decency.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 26 November 2013 10: 24
        +1
        Quote: domokl
        ? Also nonsense. A generation has grown up for which Russia is abroad. The same country as the rest.

        Sanya, you’re wrong. Everything is changing, it was not just a generation, but one country, one people, but this did not prevent it from being divided.
        1. domokl
          domokl 26 November 2013 10: 32
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Sanya, you’re wrong. Everything is changing, it was not just a generation, but one country, one people, but this did not prevent it from being divided.

          Do you mean what? USSR? I remember how, during the period of total deficit, all the outskirts of the Union suddenly began to feed Russians (with bread from Ukraine, Baltic fish, cotton from Uzbekistan, etc.) and it turned out that everyone had complaints. This was the reason that the population supported the desire local princes to independence.
          In Ukraine, there is still no single people. You yourself read here how Eastern and Western Ukrainians bark, how Odessa, Crimeans feel apart from everyone ... And the youth who have grown up now (20-30 years) are the most active political force in the country. But it’s they who are no longer from the USSR ... They are Ukrainians and have always been them, from the moment they were born. It is this generation that has now become the head of business, and in some places already political movements and even parties ...
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 26 November 2013 10: 45
            0
            Quote: domokl
            ) And it turned out that everyone has complaints

            Yes, we ourselves have all the claims against Moscow laughing
            Quote: domokl
            You yourself read here how Eastern and Western Ukrainians bark, how Odessa residents, Crimeans feel separately from all

            So that's why I say that the country of Ukraine was invented with an invented history.
            Quote: domokl
            and in some places political movements and even parties ..

            These are pawns in one big game, west against Russia. Pawns are always sacrificed. hi
        2. washi
          washi 26 November 2013 13: 08
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: domokl
          ? Also nonsense. A generation has grown up for which Russia is abroad. The same country as the rest.

          Sanya, you’re wrong. Everything is changing, it was not just a generation, but one country, one people, but this did not prevent it from being divided.

          Both of you reduce the psychological impact of TV and the Internet on poorly educated minds (especially breaking consciousness in schools caused by the transition from one language to another, or even to a third)
          If you do not have enough of this site, then read Khvil with comments.
          Or, if you want to laugh, http://flibusta.net/a/125322
          1. domokl
            domokl 26 November 2013 19: 37
            +1
            Quote: Vasya

            Both of you reduce the psychological impact of TV and the Internet on poorly educated

            Not us, but you .... Do you think that in the modern world someone will talk with bandits as people ... Not that situation. Now, in case of provocation, it’s realistic to answer in full, WITH A LOT OF CORPS, WITH A BLOOD RIVER .And BECAUSE GIVING EVERYTHING FOR ANY DIFFERENCE .. WANT AN EXAMPLE? 1993 YEAR, MOSCOW ... Everyone is sure that the official figures are lying, but they exist and no one challenged them
      3. biglow
        biglow 26 November 2013 20: 06
        0
        Quote: domokl
        Quote: Echo
        Ukraine can be Ukraine only as part of Russia

        Sorry, but this is complete nonsense. Who needs Ukraine to disappear as a separate independent state? Russian? Doesn’t it bother us, for example, the independence of Belarus ... How will Ukraine's independence be worse? Ukrainians? Also nonsense. A generation has grown up for which Russia is abroad . The same country as the rest.
        The future of Ukraine is not in the loss of independence or entry into somewhere else. The future in the future, while maintaining legal independence, to create the economic base of this very independence. Only in this case, the discontent in Ukrainian society will stop.

        in its present form, Ukraine has no future, two halves of the country profess a different ideology and this cannot be tried on, the east needs Russia and the west needs Europe, you can’t always sit on two chairs and you have to do something anyway ...
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 26 November 2013 20: 14
          +1
          Quote: biglow
          in its present form, Ukraine has no future, two halves of the country profess a different ideology and this cannot be tried on, the east needs Russia and the west needs Europe, you can’t always sit on two chairs and you have to do something anyway ...


          ... and what is it all about equally happen later, those with big losses.
          1. biglow
            biglow 26 November 2013 20: 41
            +2
            Quote: Hudo
            Quote: biglow
            in its present form, Ukraine has no future, two halves of the country profess a different ideology and this cannot be tried on, the east needs Russia and the west needs Europe, you can’t always sit on two chairs and you have to do something anyway ...


            ... and what is it all about equally happen later, those with big losses.

            it’s true, but the Czech Republic and Slovakia were able to peacefully share everything, and we can only hope for a similar outcome ...
            1. Hudo
              Hudo 26 November 2013 20: 58
              +1
              Quote: biglow
              it’s true, but the Czech Republic and Slovakia were able to peacefully share everything, and we can only hope for a similar outcome ...


              Hopes, unfortunately, are very weak. Have you heard that the parasites voluntarily left the one on whom they parasitize? Here I am. And zapadenskoe thought - these are the same worms.
              Once I had a conversation with a racially correct galitsa, he says that we were working in the USSR during the Soviet era (we worked), I show him what you have worked out. You riveted slant-legged stools and skewed wardrobes, grew a red beet (sugar beet) that no one needed, and the union paid you money only so that you would not open your mouth and would not carry your Nazi shibzda with your dirty mouth. And now, there is no Union and the "U" government is ripping off the East, half of the money is being stolen in Kiev, and the remaining half - to the Galician people. This is the whole meaning of the existence of the project "U". Such is the homespun truth.
              1. Cristall
                Cristall 26 November 2013 21: 26
                +1
                you do not even need to give a part of the body to the parasites. easier to get rid of parasites. "Kemsky volosts" you cannot save enough.
                1. Hudo
                  Hudo 26 November 2013 21: 55
                  +2
                  Quote: Cristall
                  you do not even need to give a part of the body to the parasites. easier to get rid of parasites. "Kemsky volosts" you cannot save enough.

                  The Galicia District is not Kemsk Volost. This is a foreign body, the best gift for the worst enemy. Drain this guano pshekam - let them cesspool it themselves.
                2. EvilLion
                  EvilLion 27 November 2013 13: 52
                  +1
                  For Russia, Galicia is not the biggest loss, why bother idiots, take Novorossia and Little Russia and let the remaining ones associate with Europe, while Motor Sych calculates incomes and Moscow saved money on eliminating the madhouse. In general, these territories have been in Russia for only 50 years, the rest of the time there has been full European integration, and all Russians in spirit left there in WWII with the Russian army, the rest were rotted in camps.
                  20 years after endless pain and humiliation, they may or may not come running, and they will shout "Glory to Ukraine!", Drowning out the cry of hungry children.

                  PS hello from generals-zh.ru
              2. biglow
                biglow 26 November 2013 23: 02
                +1
                Quote: Hudo
                Quote: biglow
                it’s true, but the Czech Republic and Slovakia were able to peacefully share everything, and we can only hope for a similar outcome ...


                Hopes, unfortunately, are very weak. Have you heard that the parasites voluntarily left the one on whom they parasitize? Here I am. And zapadenskoe thought - these are the same worms.
                Once I had a conversation with a racially correct galitsa, he says that we were working in the USSR during the Soviet era (we worked), I show him what you have worked out. You riveted slant-legged stools and skewed wardrobes, grew a red beet (sugar beet) that no one needed, and the union paid you money only so that you would not open your mouth and would not carry your Nazi shibzda with your dirty mouth. And now, there is no Union and the "U" government is ripping off the East, half of the money is being stolen in Kiev, and the remaining half - to the Galician people. This is the whole meaning of the existence of the project "U". Such is the homespun truth.

                you are right, they think so much in many ways, but now the situation is changing, protestors in the east against Europe have been noticed by the authorities and can’t ignore them, and Westerners who are used to sitting on the neck of the east can lose their influence and for them now only the movement to the west remains the only option to maintain power and influence ... If the tynebib is silent now, he may cease to be the leader of the Nazis and someone more radical will take his place
                1. Hudo
                  Hudo 26 November 2013 23: 32
                  +1
                  Quote: biglow
                  Now the situation is changing, protestors in the east against Europe have noticed power-holders and can’t ignore them, and Westerners who are used to sitting on the neck of the east can lose their influence and for them now in many ways only the movement to the west remains the only option to maintain power and influence ... If the trucker is silent now, he may cease to be the leader of the Nazis and someone more radical will take his place

                  The protest moods in the East will be leveled precisely by the provocative voyages of fascist-zapadenskoy trash (fascists hate more than the ruling clique, although there are noticeable tendencies to balance). The tyagnyssrak itself is the project of the authorities that they themselves cultivated and paid for. I think you should not remind you of how the attempts to obtain manual fascism ended in history, fascism grows stronger on the loot of the authorities, gets out of control and starts playing its game. The authorities in their desire to keep afloat the leaky trough of inclement conditions have lost a sense of proportion and play with fire.
                2. Egoza
                  Egoza 26 November 2013 23: 38
                  +2
                  Quote: biglow
                  .If the trucker is silent

                  Well, he has already fussed!
                  "The Ukrainians, advocating for the country's accession to the European Union, did not have time to set up tents on the Maidan, as the name" Euromaidan "appeared from the light hand of journalists. tried to register in Russia as a trademark. According to izvestia.ru, the corresponding application has been submitted to Ropatent Chairman of the Ukrainian Nationalist Party “Freedom” Oleg Barnyard. belay laughing
              3. EvilLion
                EvilLion 27 November 2013 13: 43
                +1
                The USSR built a car factory in Lvov ... Now you can’t see LAZs in Russia.
      4. EvilLion
        EvilLion 27 November 2013 13: 40
        0
        Do not confuse yourself with Russians, especially those who know history and distinguish abroad (Turkmenistan itself may be abroad, its population does not want to be Russian anyway, and let it sit in its Middle Ages) from temporarily occupied territories.
    4. washi
      washi 26 November 2013 13: 01
      +1
       Echo  Today, 08:19 New
      Ukraine can be Ukraine only as part of Russia. And in a state of utter lack of meaning, senseless and merciless, Ukraine can be anything - Spain, Urkaina, VGN (Temporary Geographical Misunderstanding), Kakland ... but not Ukraine. And what they will become with the EU is a separate conversation altogether.

      Outskirts was and will be Outskirts. The question is only whose?
      In fact, this territory was called the outskirts of Pshek.
      For Russians, it was Little Russia, Yugorossiya ..
    5. Cristall
      Cristall 26 November 2013 21: 19
      +1
      Only for this post put a ban on the rules of the forum. Well, at least a general condemnation for distorting the name of the country.
      I see 5 pluses - it’s fashionable to kick Ukraine, this is a trend in VO .. and this is bad.
      You (specifically to you, and not to the Russian people) can not understand that humiliating someone will not cause anything other than an aggressive reaction? Do not cause a frenzied protest in any form?
      Or are you happy with frank srach for any reason?
      I did not stoop to your level of distorting the names of your country. And you went down - and this is bad.
      It is tired of even adequate Ukrainians. Quite. The akim is unlikely to comment on the frenzied kick (I do not agree that everything is really a uterus, more on the personal opinion of a particular person) Kars you were banned in vain. His dispute methods are just for such discussions.
      You also did not understand the softness of the dispute of Akim.
      Fewer and fewer Ukrainians on the forum want to discuss such articles with you. And you want to ... end this trend! This is IN, and not the heading "Let's kick our neighbor together and we will be happy"! Sometimes I am ashamed. For our idiots who carry anything. But I am ashamed of everyone else, who are like ours, but according to the comments are generally from Mars.
      1. biglow
        biglow 26 November 2013 23: 10
        +2
        Quote: Cristall


        It is tired of even adequate Ukrainians.
        Fewer and fewer Ukrainians on the forum want to discuss such articles with you. I am sometimes ashamed. For our idiots who carry anything. But I am ashamed of everyone else, who are like ours, but according to the comments generally from Mars.

        your views are shared only by a limited number of residents of Ukraine, as well as visitors to the site living in Ukraine,
        Therefore, always write that we are Galicians or residents of western Ukraine do not share such values ​​.. But to think that your views are shared in the southeast is a big illusion, you have to be honest and admit for a long time that there is a split and it will always be ...
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 26 November 2013 23: 40
          +1
          Quote: biglow
          And to think that your views are shared in the southeast is a big illusion,

          And here is what my friend wrote today (for example) “Today I had the good fortune to watch the world-famous Dnipropetrovsk“ Euromaidan ”.
          It was necessary to look at my girls-polygraphists, and they are just in the center.
          It was three or four maydauns, one of the digging something itching in the matugelnik of the adjacent wall.
          I came back after 6. There were thirty copies - all svobodists. I know some of them by sight, have already become familiar. And they tried to scream something, perhaps "glory to the heroes."
          The people frankly do not care. There are no tents after yesterday's "reaction". But the police are on guard. The guys spit, but work is work. "
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 27 November 2013 14: 06
        0
        But let's be honest, in the Russian Federation they write about Ukraine only on the Internet, they rarely mention it by zombies, but what do the Ukrainian media say about the Russian Federation? A friend of mine was there just a month ago, from one of the poorest regions of the Russian Federation, according to him there is wildest poverty, but solid anti-Russian propaganda. In the Russian Federation, they see this circus, and where will the respect for Ukraine come from after that?
        Akim's answers are standard, saying that everything is exactly the same in the Russian Federation. But the Russian Federation lives better and at least something is done in it, and no one expects that we will enter somewhere and will be blessed with us.
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  3. makarov
    makarov 26 November 2013 08: 22
    10
    Today, a group of people who owns the entire industry, factories, banks and others call themselves Ukraine. When the words "Ukrainian industry" or "threat to Ukrainian industry" are heard, I perceive and associate them with the names of Yanukovych, Efremov, Akhmetov, Firtash, Poroshenko, and others like that.
    I don’t understand one thing, what sherry they use the word “Ukraine” to refer to their zahapanom and stolen business. Just as I don’t understand how certain Russian naziks and chauvinists are made in materials over ordinary workers Ukrainians, who have already been robbed by the local nobility in full.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 November 2013 08: 44
      +6
      Quote: makarov
      how certain Russian Natsiks and chauvinists are made in materials over ordinary toilers by Ukrainians,

      Sorry, but on the Maidan now with riot police (Golden Eagle) who gets into a fight? Maybe there are all the oligarchs, or for most ordinary people with atrophied brains ???
      1. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 26 November 2013 10: 47
        -1
        Alexander! You have one-sided information. You Overtake as Tutor's Big Brother. I would like to become an orphan, than to have such a relative. It was not "ordinary people with atrophied brains" that came out to the Maidan, but the people who showed that no matter how they tried to drive them under the local bandits in power, no matter how they were pressured by outsiders (not to be confused with a simple Russian people crushed by their own) bandyukovich. he rose to defend his future. Such a mass of spiritualized people, especially young people, cannot be bought for money. For the first time in 20 years, people began to smile at each other. Where did you see OMON (Berkut). These are militants of the bandit power of the regionals dressed in uniforms and legalized to serve "in accordance with" the bandit power. Come to Odessa. I guarantee you a couple of meetings with the trash and lugavies in the service of the power bandits. It is a pity, real policemen are already difficult to meet. So, the emblem below exactly characterizes our OMON.
        The people are tired, they want a normal life. Rights and protection. Get rid of corruption (do not argue, you also have them, if you are a "people"). Everything that the people oppose, you have. But, apparently, you like yours, but we do not. Follow the news and not only your media. Analyze. Draw conclusions. And try on yourself. Is everything okay in your kingdom?
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 26 November 2013 10: 55
          +8
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          The people are tired. He wants a normal life.

          No offense...
          This is what people are tired? Which instead of studying and working in the squares rally?
          And wants a normal life - at whose expense?
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 November 2013 10: 55
          +4
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          I want to become an orphan than to have such a relative.

          Well then, good way to the EU hi
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          , and the people who showed that no matter how they tried to drive him under local bandits in power

          It's cool, that is, they are against the bandits in power and therefore married the bandits in the opposition. what but remembered in Ukraine in 2004 laughing And what is the future of the EU? And what kind of people are those 30-50 thousand?
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          The people are tired, they want a normal life. Rights and protection. Get rid of corruption (do not argue, you also have them, if you are a "people"). Everything that the people oppose, you have.

          Hmm, it’s strange, of course, we have corruption and bandits, but in order to live well we simply work and don’t dream of moving to the humps at the expense of the EU. Yes, and then, how association with the EU can save the country from corruption and bandits. You are told that you’ll stay with a bare ass, but you don’t hear and don’t want to hear. Instead of a normal life, live in poverty instead of awake, that's all. And Russia will again blame it fool
        3. washi
          washi 26 November 2013 13: 13
          +1
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          Alexander! You have one-sided information. You Overtake as Tutor's Big Brother. I would like to become an orphan, than to have such a relative. It was not "ordinary people with atrophied brains" that came out to the Maidan, but the people who showed that no matter how they tried to drive them under the local bandits in power, no matter how they were pressured by outsiders (not to be confused with a simple Russian people crushed by their own) bandyukovich. he rose to defend his future. Such a mass of spiritualized people, especially young people, cannot be bought for money. For the first time in 20 years, people began to smile at each other. Where did you see OMON (Berkut). These are militants of the bandit power of the regionals dressed in uniforms and legalized to serve "in accordance with" the bandit power. Come to Odessa. I guarantee you a couple of meetings with the trash and lugavies in the service of the power bandits. It is a pity, real policemen are already difficult to meet. So, the emblem below exactly characterizes our OMON.
          The people are tired, they want a normal life. Rights and protection. Get rid of corruption (do not argue, you also have them, if you are a "people"). Everything that the people oppose, you have. But, apparently, you like yours, but we do not. Follow the news and not only your media. Analyze. Draw conclusions. And try on yourself. Is everything okay in your kingdom?

          And we have the same problems.
          And again the Jews who seized power are to blame.
          http://flibusta.net/b/293303
        4. gych
          gych 26 November 2013 21: 37
          -1
          I really hope that you will answer for your words! if you met with the police in the EU or the Russian Federation, then you would understand that the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine is just fluffy kittens, at least by the way OPAZZIA feels free! I am opposed to turning Ukraine into a scourge!
    2. domokl
      domokl 26 November 2013 09: 50
      0
      Quote: makarov
      Today, Ukraine is called a group of persons owners of the entire industry, factories, banks

      Hello Pavel. Paradox, but now I have to disagree with the Ukrainian. I think that most young people consider themselves Ukrainians now. Regardless of paganism, so to speak. The life of a generation is only 40 years old. And that means the youth who were born and live in Ukraine has already grown up. and the USSR for them is as far away as the Russian Empire.
      But just those whom you have long listed internationalists lol .Business doesn't give a damn about everything except money, and, consequently, Ukrainian aligarchs earn money both in Russia and in the EU ... They are not amenable to foolishness.
      1. andrejwz
        andrejwz 26 November 2013 12: 12
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        The life of a generation is only 40 years old.

        as I understand it, active a life? That is life from 18 to 60 years. And how many active citizens have increased over 20 years in 22 years after the collapse of the country? And this shoot that grew in the forest? They did not see what was happening around, they had no parents, they had no one to tell about who we were and what we became?
  4. nemec55
    nemec55 26 November 2013 08: 28
    +3
    Someone likes it or doesn't like it, but Wishlist in this case have no meaning. Fish live in water, birds in trees, and worms in the earth. You can, of course, throw the fish on a tree, and bury the bird in the ground, but this will only be good for worms

    Vin tse garna mova ubava nemtsa on a tumble. laughing laughing laughing
  5. PPL
    PPL 26 November 2013 08: 29
    +2
    For me, the main thing is to understand the meaning of what is happening, see its hidden mechanism and call a spade a spade.

    Golden words, that's just how to convey them to the heads of crowds of rabid youth and the so-called liberals of any age and gender.
    Vajra is right that there is no nationalism in Ukraine, it’s really
    advertising and marketing expansion of the political market of nationalist brand merchants
    .
  6. Echo
    Echo 26 November 2013 08: 31
    +7
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Yes, what is the independence, from whom, from what ??? An invented country with an invented history and the same politicians as clowns who themselves cannot understand what to do next with this independence.

    All this has only one goal - the dismemberment of Russian civilization. The first stage is to divide the Russian superethnos into "separate peoples", then into separate countries, and then the transformation of these small sub-states into weak-willed colonies inhabited by marginals and lumpen, without culture and history.

    And the fact that kaklopolitiki (read - OPG Kaklo-power) does not know what to do next with lack of solidity does not mean that the West does not know this.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 November 2013 08: 46
      +1
      Quote: Echo
      All this has only one goal - the dismemberment of Russian civilization.

      Well, Clintonsha said that she would insert sticks into the wheels of the vehicle. Seichvs project Ukraine - EU consequence of her words and no more hi
    2. washi
      washi 26 November 2013 13: 18
      +1
      Quote: Echo
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Yes, what is the independence, from whom, from what ??? An invented country with an invented history and the same politicians as clowns who themselves cannot understand what to do next with this independence.

      All this has only one goal - the dismemberment of Russian civilization. The first stage is to divide the Russian superethnos into "separate peoples", then into separate countries, and then the transformation of these small sub-states into weak-willed colonies inhabited by marginals and lumpen, without culture and history.
      And the fact that kaklopolitiki (read - OPG Kaklo-power) does not know what to do next with lack of solidity does not mean that the West does not know this.

      Take more - Slavic civilization.
      The Germans are former Slavs, more precisely the heirs of the Slavs.
      The Chinese are still afraid of the Slavs.
      All science in the United States was raised by the Slavs.
      The Türks are trying to find family ties with the Slavs, denying their Slavic heritage.
  7. Stinger
    Stinger 26 November 2013 08: 35
    +4
    + Very sharp, but pretty accurate.
  8. Andrey57
    Andrey57 26 November 2013 08: 37
    +6
    Finally, all the realities of the "Ukraine" project have been honestly voiced, without any ornateness, all things are called by their proper names, a funny process, I can imagine how Kars and Akim will rise when they wake up and read this "dirty lie" fellow
  9. domokl
    domokl 26 November 2013 08: 38
    +6
    This is called peeling off the skin ... An interesting article is from this point of view. It is clear that the point of view will cause a lot of negativity on the part of nationalists not only of Ukraine, but also of other countries. But I like the courage of the author. I respect such people!
  10. EvilLion
    EvilLion 26 November 2013 08: 44
    +1
    Actually, this is something that Putin cannot say in front of the camera, even if he perfectly understands this and also wants to eliminate Ukraine.
  11. kavkaz8888
    kavkaz8888 26 November 2013 08: 47
    0
    Smart guy, cheerfully written. Smiled, minus one moment. About "there is no translation for the Cossack family." Well, why parallel the Cossacks and all this political turmoil.
    Dear author, do not insult the Cossacks.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 26 November 2013 09: 19
      +3
      Namely, from the Kozakov bandits all this comes in essence. Or do you think that the Cossacks were white and fluffy?
  12. Good
    Good 26 November 2013 09: 06
    +2
    About brainless power, to the point. There is even a proverb about the well and that you don’t need to spit on it. The Soviet Union formed Ukraine, annexed Donetsk, Galicia, and Crimea. Eliminated illiteracy, forced to speak Ukrainian. And much more.
    And to say that it was bad .... Absurdity!
  13. ed65b
    ed65b 26 November 2013 09: 06
    +5
    Since 2005, the author began to talk about decay and continues to bend his line for 8 years. maybe he should already think about creating his own brand party? Article +
    1. Grbear
      Grbear 26 November 2013 09: 38
      +2
      He may be thinking, but the "situevina" is such that they will crash (without quotation marks) and they will not ask for the surname. For protection you need either bandits or security forces. Both those and others - love money, which means that these will be sold. So think about it.

      Now in the "square" to be a political leader - either Danko or Judah. "And such a good life, you smile and look ..."
      1. seller trucks
        26 November 2013 13: 05
        +1
        Quote: GrBear
        He may be thinking, but the "situevina" is such that they will crash (without quotation marks) and they will not ask for the surname.


        Andrei Vajra is a pseudonym, no one has seen him in the eye, some believe that this is a political scientist Yuri Romanenko, on the box he looks like this
  14. dmb
    dmb 26 November 2013 09: 24
    +3
    Although I am extremely negative about the "self-styled" goofs, I still cannot understand the admiration of the commentators for the article. For me, the thesis about the unity of Ukraine and Russia is an axiom. But why, in order to confirm it, you need to talk so derogatory about your own people. “If according to Pelevin, then practically everything in Ukraine has become one continuous“ rotozhopia. ”Judging by the surname, the author is also a“ rotozhopia. ”Or,“ everyone is in town ..., and he is in a white tailcoat? You can certainly rejoice over the "Ukrainian happiness", but is ours much better? I don’t think that our Putin, Medvedev, Deripaska and Chubais with Zhirinovskys are any different from their Yanukovychs, Tyagniboks, Yushchenko and Timoshenok. In cultural matters, there is also no particular difference. Their writers (the accent on the first syllable "are quite comparable to our Akunins, Bykovs and Dontsovs. In particular, air travel in Ukraine is much cheaper than ours, despite the fact that we produce oil.)
  15. Fin
    Fin 26 November 2013 10: 18
    +4
    In 2006 or later, on vacation in Ukraine, I bought the textbook History of Ukraine. From it I learned one thing that never had such a state. There were separate cities, towns, villages in which sat his hetman who considered himself to be the navel of the earth. Constant feuds, wars between themselves and external invaders, betrayal. They gathered the Rada, tried to negotiate, but didn’t last long. When finally the end was specifically reached, the clever Khmelnitsky was found and joined us. After that, the development of these areas began. So now, they were part of the USSR - everything worked, they left - everyone was in the city ... Citizens Ukrainians do not be offended, but this is so, you live there and see, but pride does not allow you to admit. Go back already, walk up.
  16. nickname 1 and 2
    nickname 1 and 2 26 November 2013 10: 31
    +3
    Andriy Vajra: Ukrainian nationalism is just as good for fools as Ukrainian communism


    Vajra - aerobatics. More precisely does not happen. In the classics you need to write.
  17. lis-ik
    lis-ik 26 November 2013 10: 46
    +3
    I advise European integrators from Ukraine to read Yu. Petukhov's novel "The Monster" there everything is written about the delights of integration with the West (although when this work was written it meant Russia, but fortunately this did not happen.)
  18. corn
    corn 26 November 2013 11: 03
    -1
    If the idea of ​​a community of Russians and Ukrainians is correct, the author pronounces the following phrases:
    "the needs of Ukrainian citizens are reduced to cheap sausage and vodka"
    "The so-called Ukrainian culture is an empty place of world culture"
    "People by nature do not like to think (it is difficult), but they like to believe (it is easy)"
    "Ukraine is an empty place in world politics"
    Only because of this, the author has great disrespect, although he most likely does not give a damn about it.
    1. corn
      corn 26 November 2013 11: 54
      +2
      Minus-minors, even to the skulls.
      Explain in words, otherwise I’m stupid and I can break the wall with my head.
      1. Cristall
        Cristall 26 November 2013 21: 44
        0
        you wrote correctly, but you contradict the "Kick the neighbor" trend
        disagreeable in powerlessness minus. They can ban.
        But do not look at the cons at all - when I read these lines about vodka, I realized one thing - most would like it in VO. when I heard one phrase that there are few smart people in a crowd, so the trouble is incorrigible (fools and roads that are made first)
        There are few adequate people, but fortunately they are.
        Copy your post
        "the needs of Ukrainian citizens are reduced to cheap sausage and vodka"
        "The so-called Ukrainian culture is an empty place of world culture"
        "People by nature do not like to think (it is difficult), but they like to believe (it is easy)"
        "Ukraine is an empty place in world politics"
        Only because of this, the author is huge disrespect
        And subscribe to it. My disrespect for the author, and all unreasonable.
        I especially liked about vodka and sausage. It will be necessary to compose a joke.
  19. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 26 November 2013 11: 44
    +3
    for example, Bavaria, which proclaimed its "non-fallowing" from Germany? The only sense in this case is the preservation of this "lack of space" at all costs, even if it contradicts the interests of the inhabitants of this German land and common sense in general.
    What will the ruling Bavarian elite do at the same time? Its first president, most likely, will write the book “Bavaria is not Germany,” and the Bavarian intelligentsia, based on the Bavarian dialect, will come up with the non-German Bavarian literary language and will force it to instill in society, while telling the Bavarian population how Germany enslaved and oppressed Bavaria for centuries . That sounds absurd. But we are accustomed to such an absurdity, but we seriously believe after Pan Kravchuk, pan Kui, pan Yushchenko and pan Yanukovych that Ukraine is not Russia.


    Therefore, the whole point of Ukraine is to strive at all costs to prove to itself and the whole world that it is not Russia.
    - For what?
    “If you do not take into account the passionate desire of the so-called Ukrainian elite to“ nezalezhno ”“ saw ”the country and rob the local population, then Ukraine’s aspiration to prove that it is not Russia is a psychiatric mystery. I have repeatedly written that the existence of the project “Ukraina” is a psychiatric phenomenon. It is impossible to understand from the point of view of common sense.
    Sense in Ukraine would be if it gave something to the population of the former USSR. But the situation is such that the Ukraina project only takes away everything that can be taken from him. Nezalezhnist is a story of the loss of citizens of Ukraine, but not of acquisitions. Only the current "seniority" and "hetmanism", fiercely hated by the common people, are growing farther on "lack of solidity". And this simple people is getting weaker and bent. Then what's the point in Ukraine? Why do ordinary people need it? For what?

    Everything is correct here, the cries about "independence", about "offenses from Russia" are all the result of the "inferiority" complex, which the "sick" Ukrainian elite inspires. "Rotozhopiyu"
  20. Egoza
    Egoza 26 November 2013 11: 50
    +2
    I do not agree with the Vajra that there is no nationalism. There is! And crawls into all holes, especially in education!
    "What is only one epoch-making" Entry to the history of Ukraine "for the 5th grade, published after the inauguration of Yushchenko. Here is how the Soviet past was described in it: , the next deaths - the axis of scho cheked, talented people, with the same provinces, what a lot of love to Ukraine "... The textbook" History of Ukraine - a modern vision "for senior classes also amazed the imagination:" On the frosty days of Maidan, there was not a single drunk on the square, not even bottles of beer. And no aggressiveness, on the contrary, prevailed long-forgotten feelings of love and good neighborliness. Even if someone was accidentally hooked, they immediately apologized "(yes, this is also a quote from a textbook). The chapter on the history of the Orange Revolution ended with a conclusion , in italics and printed in large print, making it clear: Yushchenko is an unconditional hero, Tymoshenko is the Ukrainian Joan of Arc. " - An excellent article entitled "How to drive me in correctly. What are the nationalists going to improve in education?" posted on Polemics. Read, even though there are examples in Ukrainian, but everything is clear. http://polemika.com.ua/article-131953.html
    Well, while the "boys" are playing, the following happens.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 26 November 2013 13: 09
      +5
      Quote: Egoza
      I do not agree with the Vajra that there is no nationalism. There is! And crawls into all holes, especially in education!

      Dear Egoza!
      Et-that "pseudo-nationalism".
      This is an attempt to pass off the victim of an abortion of the West Ukrainian township as a healthy state-born child.
    2. Cristall
      Cristall 26 November 2013 21: 51
      +1
      It's good that there is the Internet and you can teach your child not this "story"
      I hated her from school.
      I will teach my children history.
      In general, the problem of education is that if the parents themselves follow what their children are taught. For example, at each lesson, I said so. According to this textbook, this was so. but in reality or in the opinion of other authors it was completely different. And we were welcomed. After all, teachers themselves understand everything.
  21. Egoza
    Egoza 26 November 2013 11: 55
    +1
    The rally Euromaidan and the police yesterday, for the first time in 4 days of confrontation, clashed in a mass brawl, going wall to wall. Despite the fact that the daylight hours were relatively calm, by the evening about 3 thousand people gathered in the square again. Around 21:00 on European Square, activists noticed a suspicious, in their opinion, white minibus blocking the way, and climbed onto its roof to see what's inside. Then they got through the hatch into the salon, and from there the windows were smashed. A few minutes later, in the car, the hijackers found documents and allegedly listening equipment. And an instant later, a mass brawl of activists with the "Golden Eagle" began. The siloviki used tear gas, batons and noise grenades. Confused, suffocating people tried to hide and loudly asked for help. One activist was beaten up. He lost a lot of blood - doctors helped him. After a while, the security forces tried to take away the injured car from the scene of the collisions.
    THE CABMIN CROWNED. Monday has not been asked since the morning - when about a thousand "Euro-revolutionaries" again rushed to storm the Cabinet building. Then, despite heavy rain, through the dense cordon of the "Golden Eagle", tearing helmets from the special forces, about 300 protesters for the EU tried to break into the Cabinet and demand the resignation of the government. The second attack, as happened on the weekend, ended with a “gas war”: the attackers tried to put tear gas into the faces of the special forces. But those who were in the forefront were wearing gas masks, and this almost did not hurt them. However, due to the wind, gas fell into the faces of the attackers, and the rally ended in a sob. After that, the protesters stood quietly for several hours, freezing in the rain. Some even talked with the Berkut people and began to feel sorry for them: “The soldier told me that it’s a pity the second day at work,” the girl said with sympathy in her voice.
    In the afternoon, the situation was calm - on Maidan, closer to six in the evening, there were only about 80 people. However, in the evening about 4 thousand people gathered at the center. In the evening, activists broke a minibus of security officers.
    1. HAM
      HAM 26 November 2013 12: 20
      +1
      Lena, thank you for the detailed comments.
    2. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 26 November 2013 13: 14
      +4
      Quote: Egoza
      In the afternoon, the situation was calm - on Maidan, closer to six in the evening, there were only about 80 people. However, in the evening about 4 thousand people gathered at the center. In the evening, activists broke a minibus of security officers.

      The ugliness will end only when this "intellectual" hooliganism is not snatched through the funnels, with delivery to the jail for interrogation with addiction.
      It is time for the siloviki and "Berkut" in particular to take action, and not wait until they are crippled.
      Someone there, at the "Ukrainian top" must make the final decision - this game of dharmocracy is needed for the amusement of the EU media, or it is time to close this shalman.
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  23. Egoza
    Egoza 26 November 2013 11: 58
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    WAR UNDER THE QUESTION. While they were kind enough near the Cabinet of Ministers, they called on the Maidan not to leave the main square until November 29 and wait for the signing of an agreement between Ukraine and the EU. “Come, eat hot tea, cookies, sandwiches with sausage and meat. Who hasn’t eaten yet? ” - shouted one of the volunteers. Near the table there was an urn with money filled with gold coins. “We need glasses for water, tea, bread, sausage, instant coffee, socks, cookies,” reads an ad glued directly to the Independence stele. Things and products will come in handy, activists expect: they promise to hold a mass rally tomorrow - in honor of Yulia Tymoshenko’s 53rd birthday (according to members of the same party, she went on an indefinite hunger strike because of the non-signing of an agreement with the EU and to support Euromaidan).
    "A set of protesters." As the author pointed out in an ad posted on one of the sites, the ready-made set “includes everything that is necessary for a person who is going to defend his interests and views in the cold season for a long time”. This set includes a 1,5 liter thermos bottle, cooler bag, umbrella, raincoat, karemat, sleeping bag, portable phone charger, flask and gas burner. The camping set also includes markers and three sheets of Whatman paper, a flashlight, wet and dry wipes, thermochemical heating pads (4 pcs.) And rally memo indicating laws and articles in case of conflict with law enforcement. Price - from 400 to 1000 UAH, depending on the configuration.
    xxxxx
    And prices are rising, however. Apparently because of the "memo" laughing
    Well Crimean Tatars do not spare money to go to Euromaidan in Kiev- Only volunteers and only for their owns - the head of the Mejlis hastened to clarify!
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 26 November 2013 13: 15
      +6
      Quote: Egoza
      Well, the Crimean Tatars do not spare money to go to Euromaidan in Kiev - only volunteers and only for their own - the head of the Mejlis hastened to clarify!

      Come on !!! wassat
      In Syria, too, for their own, earned money ride?
  24. Sochi
    Sochi 26 November 2013 12: 14
    +2
    Yes, the author is right. This project turned out to be untenable, although what kind of project was to the devil, just the party princes tore off a piece of their own that could be done ... and no one else had anything in their plans. Only they were short-sighted and when things went wrong, then they quickly came up with a primitive flawed ideology to preserve their business and their patrimony (What kind of schizophrenia do you need to have in order to write about 140 years of history in textbooks? How can bandits and fascists be heroized?).
    Well, now when it wasn’t childishly fastened, the question arose of who to sell to as much as possible while preserving the business ... But the situation is such that they will have them anyway.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 26 November 2013 13: 16
      +1
      Quote: Sochi
      the question arose of who to sell as much as possible while preserving the business ...

      Well, from here and dance! I suppose that although the general name "Ukraine" (for decency) will be retained, in fact there will be an unofficial section. Well, like Transnistria-Moldova. Two administrations negotiating with their partners. Those. east - with the RF, west - with the EU. Well, Crimea is a separate song. And you can't immediately turn around and join the vehicle. Again it will be gradually ... quietly ... Of course, the VFY will not win the next elections. But the one who will replace him will do it. The only question is who it will be. Will you be afraid? And then the NATO Secretary General is already "very surprised" by this decision. Aha! I've already rolled my lips!
      However, if the CU continues to expand - anyway, at whose expense, then Ukraine will be bolder. Yes, and the EU will split there (especially if there is a bummer now with Ukraine. But they would not have overcome their crisis very weakly), although unofficially. But this will take another five years. IMHO
  25. HAM
    HAM 26 November 2013 12: 40
    +2
    The article is cruel, but the truth is always cruel, unfortunately.
  26. alone
    alone 26 November 2013 19: 01
    +2
    The people themselves decide where to go and why !!
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 26 November 2013 19: 49
      +2
      Quote: lonely
      The people themselves decide where to go and why !!

      For this, a referendum must be held. But his results are very "top" and are afraid! Despite all the mantras “Everyone wants to go to Europe,” the results may turn out to be completely opposite, or show a sharp division into two or three Ukraine. Then hold on!
    2. Hudo
      Hudo 26 November 2013 20: 02
      +1
      Quote: lonely
      The people themselves decide where to go and why !!


      The fact of the matter is that this very people is deprived by the authorities of the right to decide this.
  27. Egoza
    Egoza 26 November 2013 19: 55
    +4
    And a vivid example of insolvency!
    SBU demands to punish oppositionists who attacked her minibus
    The Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) claims that the minibus, which was detained by opposition MPs and protesters on the European Square on Monday night, November 25, belonged to its employees. This is stated in a statement released on the agency's website late in the evening. "November 25 this year in Kiev on the European Square unidentified persons attacked an SBU official car ""There were SBU officers in the car, who, in accordance with their competence, performed tasks to identify by technical means of radio channels the possible control of explosive devices in crowded places. Such measures are always taken within the framework of anti-terrorist security during all mass events "- the document says."Offenders brazenly seized equipment. Damaged the vehicle, as well as inflicted bodily harm to SBU employees in the performance of their official duties. At the same time, the attackers used tear gas. These actions took place with the direct participation of individual people's deputies, "the statement emphasizes." The SBU considers this statement as an official report of an offense, which must be objectively and publicly investigated, "the message said. As you know, on November 25 in the evening near the stage on Protesters, along with opposition politicians, detained a suspicious minibus, several people in civilian clothes, and weapons and wiretapping equipment were found in European Square, where a rally is being held to sign an association agreement with the EU.
    Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-132073.html
    XXXX
    AS! THESE! (untranslatable puns) SECURITY OFFICERS! .... ALLOWED "TO HAVE EQUIPMENT AND WEAPONS!" am am am What a state, such is the SBU!
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    2. Lesnik
      Lesnik 26 November 2013 20: 03
      0
      [media = http: //www.radiosvoboda.org/media/video/25180060.html]
      And like this
      1. Lesnik
        Lesnik 26 November 2013 20: 06
        +1

        And something like that !!!!!

        In messages from Kiev, particular interest is not so much the way people go to the Maidan, but the readiness of certain groups of "protesters" to take violent actions against law enforcement agencies. In addition to readiness, there is also serious preparation - nimble and mobile groups are well armed - so far only with tear gas and melee weapons, but they use them without hesitation. So far there are no casualties - but everything can change overnight.
        "There were SBU officers in the car, who performed tasks to identify, by technical means of radio channels, the possible control of explosive devices in crowded places. Such actions are always carried out" within the framework of ensuring anti-terrorist security during all mass events. "
    3. Hudo
      Hudo 26 November 2013 20: 10
      +3
      Quote: Egoza
      AS! THESE! (untranslatable pun) SECURITY OFFICERS! .... ALLOWED "TO GET THE EQUIPMENT AND WEAPONS!" am am am What state is the SBU!


      But they don’t understand that if they snat the snouts to the deputy oppositionists, Plants Petrovich Dengivpered (Krol) and Ise Tyagnysrak (Fascist) or even the magazine-flyer, they will fly out of service. That is why they spit out habitually and of the type they serve, like the state.
  28. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 26 November 2013 21: 41
    +1
    the whole point of Ukraine lies in the desire to prove to itself and the whole world that it is not Russia.
    This is the whole point, I think! .. So for God's sake, prove what you want .. but not at the expense of the Ukrainian and Russian people ..
    We remember the humpback proved to the whole world that socialism can be with a "human" face .. one conclusion is that all the scum from their holes crawled out Russia almost drowned in blood .. (and the robbery ... they took everything out with echelons .. that they could not destroy ..) ..We went through the integration with you .. Do you want another one? I think you have enough to steal there is nothing more (if only Ukraine is pledged to the Jews ..))))
  29. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 26 November 2013 21: 42
    0
    the whole point of Ukraine lies in the desire to prove to itself and the whole world that it is not Russia.
    This is the whole point, I think! .. So for God's sake, prove what you want .. but not at the expense of the Ukrainian and Russian people ..
    We remember the humpback proved to the whole world that socialism can be with a "human" face .. one conclusion is that all the scum from their holes crawled out Russia almost drowned in blood .. (and the robbery ... they took everything out with echelons .. that they could not destroy ..) ..We went through the integration with you .. Do you want another one? I think you have enough to steal there is nothing more (if only Ukraine is pledged to the Jews ..))))
  30. shoemaker
    shoemaker 26 November 2013 23: 31
    0
    It seems that Moscow has no business in Ukraine. Well, fall apart into a couple of states, and okay. In the end, Russia does not need another, let Kiev remain in Europe with all the deputies and Natsiks.
  31. catapractic
    catapractic 26 November 2013 23: 49
    0
    fools on ... isms are greedy, it is better to engage in masturbation only ordinary and not political laughing