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Difficulties with the project Close Combat Vehicle continue

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Difficulties with the project Close Combat Vehicle continue

The leadership of the Canadian Department of National Defense (DNO) underestimated the complexity of the project costing 2 billion dollars to acquire a fleet of new armored vehicles, arguing that the government project not only has low risks, but also that all vehicles will be delivered next year.


The Close Combat Vehicle project is currently at least two years behind schedule and faced resistance from the military, who are worried that they will not be able to afford new armored personnel carriers. According to military, government and industrial sources, the Canadian army would like the government to cancel the project earlier this year, but this proposal was rejected.

Retired Defense Chief of Staff General Rick Hillier has since supported the cancellation of the project for acquiring the Melee Machines, or CCV, claiming that $ 2 billion could be used to help offset the cuts in the military budget.

But at a briefing in February 2010, Canadian Defense Minister Peter MacKay, and then other senior department officials, not only noted that a CCV acquisition has a low level of risk associated with its cost, time and technical issues, as well as that the first cars will arrive in Canada in the 2012 year. Fully the program will be executed in 2014 year.

The government should announce the winning company CCV soon. Government officials could not comment on anything, but later they indicated that they were continuing to work with the BOT on the CCV project.

At the briefing, McKay said that there were significant risks with two other programs being carried out with armored vehicles: upgrading the Light Armored Vehicle LAV-111 worth 1 billion dollars and purchasing a Tactical Armored Patrol Vehicle or TAPV. Senior officials said they faced "significant technical risks while achieving the necessary mobility and level of protection."

In particular, the technical risks for upgrading the LAV-111 were assessed as high. Among the problems was that the contractor, General Dynamics Land Systems Canada, would have to do an “almost complete restoration of the car and engine / transmission case”, said McKay.

But the first LAV-111 was released earlier this year, and the project is on schedule. Canadian soldiers are also currently experiencing the first TAPVs.

The draft of the melee machine was announced with great fanfare in the summer of 2009. The government should procure 108 armored personnel carriers.

The army initially claimed that the vehicles that would have to accompany it Tanks Leopard in battle were a priority for future missions. But at the beginning of this year, she began to retreat from the purchase, because she was worried that she could not afford these machines.

Recently, the Canadian press, referring to the internal documents of the government, said that the car would cost the Canadian army more than planned, and commanders fear that they will not be able to afford the maintenance of the main CCV fleet in the future.

The government commission, evaluating this project, reported that the cost of infrastructure, the implementation of information systems, the cost of the support contract and the lack of simulators create a "high risk" for the project.

One of the options under consideration is to include in the contract a clause on the possibility of termination of the contract in case of insufficient funding, if in the future the procurement budget will be cut.

Purchasing CCV has also faced many other difficulties. In August, 2010, each of the proposed machine options offered by different companies was consistently rejected, as not meeting the technical requirements. Among these machines were also some of those used in the battle conditions of Canada’s allies in Afghanistan.

At the beginning of April 2012, it was reported that the meeting for the bidders was suddenly canceled, which indirectly confirmed that the CCV project was again in trouble. True, Colonel Kelby Hamilton (Kelby Hamilton), project manager for CCV, said that around this topic "a lot of misinformation." However, officials later confirmed that the meeting was indeed canceled. A few weeks later, the government announced that the request for proposals from the bidders (RFP) for the CCV project was canceled and the tender was restarted again.

The Canadian Army is facing an 22 percent reduction in the budget and is trying to figure out what to do with this reduction. It curtails training costs, cuts down some support programs for troops, and sells some types of equipment.

In September, 2013 academician and former NDP candidate Michael Byers and researcher Stewart Webb published a report, arguing that the acquisition of CCV must be canceled, since the updated LAVs will be able to fulfill their role. They offered to find the best use of 2 billion dollars, for example, to invest them in the training of Canadian soldiers.
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  1. experienced
    experienced 25 November 2013 11: 19
    +9
    Why do Canada need tanks and an army?
    1. evgenii67
      evgenii67 25 November 2013 11: 21
      26
      Quote: seasoned
      Why Canada tanks

      these are skidders for Canadian lumberjacks, and the gun to fight off the grizzly
      1. experienced
        experienced 25 November 2013 11: 22
        +5
        Quote: evgenii67
        these are skidders for Canadian lumberjacks

        This is 5 with "+" wassat
      2. builder
        builder 25 November 2013 15: 09
        +2
        Quote: evgenii67
        and the gun from the grizzly bear

        1. me
          me 25 November 2013 16: 28
          +5
          Judging by the video, they were going to fight off hordes of T-34 (2:13)
          1. alone
            alone 25 November 2013 21: 54
            +1
            but what did you want to see? that they instead of the Leo-2A7 target put7 they are not stupid so it seems to you))
    2. klimpopov
      klimpopov 25 November 2013 11: 22
      +2
      By the way, but in the photo is the device? Who owns the information? What is that at all. And the gun is rather weak. Is it a tank or some kind of BMPT? And the machine gun is not visible ...
      1. ICT
        ICT 25 November 2013 19: 06
        +2
        Quote: klimpopov
        And the machine gun is not visible ...


        from the left side of the tower, in the photo this is Swedish technology, and there should be something on the topic of the article
        a
        1. ICT
          ICT 25 November 2013 19: 09
          0
          information for admins and moderators lol
          http://ru.redtram.com/go/1029080376/
        2. bask
          bask 25 November 2013 20: 38
          +1
          Quote: TIT
          from the left side of the tower, in the photo this is Swedish technology, and there should be something on the topic of the article
          a

          TIT, in your photo BMP Marder.

          Or BT-SV 2,, Turtle ,,.
          1. ICT
            ICT 25 November 2013 21: 17
            +2
            I know . this is the so-called deep modernization of the Marder BMP,
            but still . what is hidden under the mysterious abbreviation
            Close Combat Vehicle project
            1. bask
              bask 25 November 2013 22: 07
              +1
              Quote: TIT
              Close Combat Vehicle project

              TIT Armored vehicles, melee.
              Quote: TIT
              Close Combat Vehicle project

              You incorrectly pose the question: what is hiding. The modernized Marder is hiding.

              But what are the features of this modernization, this is already interesting.
              Close Combat: - a modular update package for DZ protection against all types of RPG-7, ATGM.
              DUBM (remote-controlled combat module) -Lance RC, digital control system SEOSS with stabilized optoelectronic periscope, thermal imager and laser range finder. Gun - 30 mm automatic gun
              Weight is about 40 tons. Close Combat with a diesel engine of 1500 l / s. Like the main tank ,, Leo ,,. And so on .......
              CLOSE COMBAT, deep modernization of the BMP ,, Marder ,,. Meets all current threats. And the protection of the crew, landing in an asymmetric battle.
              And by no means, not inferior to the latest BMP ,, Puma ,,
              .
              If we carry out a similar modernization of the BMP-2, we will not need new BMPs for a long time.
            2. bask
              bask 25 November 2013 22: 54
              +1
              Quote: TIT

              Close Combat Vehicle project

              Yes, you correctly put the emphasis in the title of the article.
              2 mln $, for adaptation of armored vehicles, for ,, close combat ,,, in the city and mountains.
              -Close Combat Vehicle
              Quote: TIT
              pictured is a swedish technique,
              /
              In the competition, the choice of BMP, won the CV-90.
              Could win and Warrior, also BAE Systems Land Systems.
              BMP FV510 (MCV-80) "Warrior"
    3. Canep
      Canep 25 November 2013 11: 31
      +6
      Quote: seasoned
      Why do Canada need tanks and an army?

      What do you mean why? We are here with boiling water that we can’t live without aircraft carriers, and as a result, so that they would not be idle, we will land on weekends in North America. So the Canadians are arming themselves, but where should they go? laughing laughing laughing
    4. mirag2
      mirag2 25 November 2013 15: 16
      +1
      Why? -For the Arctic, fight on the side of the United States ...
      1. bask
        bask 25 November 2013 17: 08
        +2
        Difficulties with the project Close Combat Vehicle continue

        Canada in NATO, at 70%, is arrogant Saxons.
        And they want to do what was created back in the days of the USSR, the entire 60s.
        1. OBT ,, Leo ,, they already have, but without the support of infantry and infantry fighting vehicles can not get much.
        2. They want to buy a BM-CV-90.
        3. Wheel BTR 8/8 LAV-Piranha.
        4. The modern, or rather modernized BRBMku Commamdo 4/4.
        A modification of this vehicle released by Textron is already a multi-purpose armored car.
        TAPV 4/4, is specially designed and designed to provide survivability, mobility and flexibility in asymmetric combat in all types of operations.
        The design, aimed primarily at protecting the manpower of mines, landmines and IEDs.
    5. APASUS
      APASUS 25 November 2013 20: 00
      +2
      Quote: seasoned
      Why do Canada need tanks and an army?

      Canada 51 US states and everything as it should be at the forefront of the battle against terrorism around the world, for the rights and freedoms of the peoples of Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, Syria.
      Do they have a choice? or can they refuse?
    6. Basarev
      Basarev 25 November 2013 21: 56
      0
      We wouldn’t hang around, would buy our BTR-82A better - with quite comparable characteristics it’s easier, cheaper and more reliable. Yes, they even swim.
      1. bask
        bask 25 November 2013 23: 21
        0
        Quote: Basarev
        Wouldn’t hang around, would buy our BTR-82A better

        The BTR80A / 82, is completely absent, mine protection, the bottom is flat as a table.
        And when hitting, at a land mine, under the bottom of 3-4 kg in t / e, all who are in the armored personnel carrier’s body, corpses.
        And the seaworthiness of the BTR-82 is not so hot. A storm of 3 points, it will not pull.
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 20 December 2013 19: 26
          0
          Even Abrams is not an iota protected from mines. But this is a tank. So the BTR-82A is also excusable
  2. avant-garde
    avant-garde 25 November 2013 11: 19
    +1
    Call your super expert Chang, he will tell you everything what projects need to be done!
    1. Migari
      Migari 25 November 2013 11: 29
      0
      Exactly how they did not ask him for advice.
  3. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 25 November 2013 12: 11
    +3
    smile The army refuses, but they persistently impose this 70-ton of rubbish ... Interestingly, the Canadian government on 100% on salaries from Amer corporations or only on 99%?
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 25 November 2013 22: 08
      -1
      BMP weighing 70 tons? Even the Jewish BTR Namer based on the T-55 is lighter
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 26 November 2013 00: 53
        0
        Quote: Basarev
        BMP weighing 70 tons? Even the Jewish BTR Namer based on the T-55 is lighter

        Akhzarit was produced on the basis of the T-55. TBTR "Namer" is produced on the chassis of the Mk-4.
  4. buga1979
    buga1979 25 November 2013 13: 13
    0
    and sawing in canada
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 25 November 2013 14: 52
      +3
      Quote: buga1979
      and sawing in canada

      They saw everything, they gave our defenders two lard from Baku, they assigned specially trained people from the OBKhSS, they had built both Armata and Boomerang for a long time, and they had done PAKDA to surrender. But do not give.
  5. wasjasibirjac
    wasjasibirjac 25 November 2013 13: 13
    +9
    I liked the name of the Canadian Department of Defense - the bottom of Canada.
  6. gal
    gal 25 November 2013 13: 31
    +1
    Quote: klimpopov
    By the way, but in the photo is the device?


    CV9035 Mk III
  7. smart ass
    smart ass 25 November 2013 14: 37
    +1
    Like melee, but where is the dynamic defense ??? Or are the Taliban with RPGs now not trendy?
    1. bask
      bask 25 November 2013 20: 59
      +1
      Quote: Clever man
      Like melee, but where is the dynamic defense ??

      Kit, DZ, developed by SAAB active protection system LEDS150, capable of detecting and destroying RPG-7 grenades, in the sector 360 degrees .. and anti-tank systems.
      An external fire extinguishing system for combating Molotov cocktails used by militants in settlements.
      Reinforcement can be supplemented by hinged abuse of the customer’s choice.
      With a maximum set of protection, the mass of the CV-90 can be increased 35 tons.
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 26 November 2013 14: 47
        0
        With a maximum set of protection, the mass of the CV-90 can be increased 35 tons.

        On or before? wink
    2. Basarev
      Basarev 25 November 2013 22: 11
      -1
      And another question about weapons - how correctly I caught from the video, this combine is armed with a 40 mm cannon. Even the Yak-9K has a larger caliber gun!
      1. Alexey Prikazchikov
        Alexey Prikazchikov 26 November 2013 03: 21
        +1
        And another question about weapons - how correctly I caught from the video, this combine is armed with a 40 mm cannon. Even the Yak-9K has a larger caliber gun!

        Hossspodi, but where do you get these from, but for bmp 1 and 2, btr 70, 80, 80a and 82, which is better than chtoli?
  8. Tourist Breakfast
    Tourist Breakfast 25 November 2013 16: 09
    0
    It remained unclear which options besides the Sv-90 were considered and rejected.
    The wiki writes:
    The CV90, the Puma, the Piranha V, [12] the Boxer [13] and the Véhicule blindé de combat d'infanterie are the most likely candidates for the role.


    That is, both wheeled and tracked vehicles.
  9. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 25 November 2013 21: 45
    +1
    Development of a heavy tank-based armored personnel carrier - 2bn. I’m trying to imagine how much it costs to develop a valid armata.
    1. alone
      alone 25 November 2013 21: 57
      +1
      Quote: chunga-changa
      Development of a heavy tank-based armored personnel carrier - 2bn. I’m trying to imagine how much it costs to develop a valid armata.


      do not try!! all the same you will not count! with "effective managers" I think 2 billion is just pocket money.