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Friend's prayer. The case of the Chechen war

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Before taking the dignity, the future priest Nikolai Kravchenko managed to prove himself as a valiant defender of the Motherland.


Serving in the airborne troops, as they are called, "winged infantry", he took part in the fighting in the North Caucasus more than once. And here he had more than once to experience the action of the Highest forces. In the most dangerous moments of the battles, these forces invisibly kept him. Correspondent Valery Dukhanin talks to Father Nikolai.


Friend's prayer. The case of the Chechen war- Father Nikolai, you told how you participated in military actions on the territory of Chechnya. In your life or in the lives of other soldiers and officers, have there been any cases when the Lord manifested Himself?
- There were, and how! Suppose a fighter has stepped on a mine - and she did not explode. And only just walked a hundred meters - there was an explosion. Or more. When we went on reconnaissance, we faced “spirits” face to face. Slava, my friend, did not have time to shoot. "Spirit" was standing, aiming. Slavka shot earlier: the “spirit” in the machine gunner twisted the cartridge. As a result, Slavka is alive, but “spirit” is not.

The most vivid example with our brigade commander, Colonel Nikolai Batalov. After Abkhazia, we had a tradition before the exit of the battle, to read “Our Father”. This reassured, and the importance of a properly executed case appeared. Once - it was in Grozny - we were tasked to control the underground garage. It was difficult to perform, because there was no room for movement. "Spirits" forced us to withdraw from the position. And we had to provide access to the Minute Square, control firing points on the other side of the street. We stood, read a prayer, at this time the brigade commander left. Says: "Guys, I'm with you." We grabbed the garage, cleaned it up, and began firing at points on the other side of the street. He again: "I am with you."

The commander of the group was me. Kombrig in this case was a stranger. He had no right to be among us. If he had died, the tribunal would have given me the full program. Then he began to tell what he saw: “When you started reading a prayer, I saw a transparent bell falling on top of you. And I felt that under this bell I would be safe. ” Looking at him, we realized that he was telling the truth. Since then, he has read this prayer whenever there was an opportunity.

Eight years have passed. Met once the chief of staff. Have talked. I ask:

- Where is our brigade, did you see?

- Seen in Volgograd.

- So what, the command?

- Commands! He, unlike you, is already an archpriest!

And I also had such a case, from a number of those that led me, eventually, to the spiritual path. I had a friend Serega, we were familiar with the last war. He demobilized, went home. And in Chechnya, we met with him. He was a driver, and these still need to search. BVM kept in such purity, even though check handkerchief. I did not go to sleep until I was convinced that the car was filled and ready for battle. We met, but not for long, in February he died. At the BMP, I drove around UAZ, went along the side of the road - and she was mined. The explosion went up, right through it. I was very worried about his death: met - and again lost. Then, when we reached the Terek Range, our reconnaissance group received a week of rest. We were supposed to go to the baths in Tolstoy-yurt, but something went wrong for us. I lay on the field, the day is warm, I dozed off, the guys are playing volleyball - and the ball is rolling up.

And I see - my friend comes to me, I tell him: “Great, Seryoga!”. And then: "Listen, you kind of died?"

- Where died - and where alive. I came to you. You three days to go exploring - do not go, die.

- How can I not go?

Then he told me: "Look here." And I see the road along which we walk, everything turned upside down, the earth has become transparent, and on it, in a staggered manner, there are mines tied - that is, if you hit one, the whole road will fly. “Look,” he said to me, “if you go, read without stopping Our Father.” You go by the second car. ” And he went, I followed him, he entered a house and disappeared. The third day has passed - no movement. We go to sleep, rescues from the headquarters of the messenger: "Urgently, the combat exit in half an hour." The chief of staff resorts, sits on the head machine, I'm on the second. We conducted reconnaissance to identify firing points, revealed where the machine guns, where the hospitals. We return, the chief of staff says: "Let's go through the mountains." We go up the road - and I see the area that I saw in a subtle dream. And all this time I read Our Father. I take a sniper rifle, I see - a black wall rises in front of me - that's all. Woke up in the hospital. Contusion. We had such a second number, a good, reliable fellow from Siberia, Dima Novikov. I took it, went into reconnaissance with him. In his car, on an explosive wave, the tower was blown off the stopper, and they were sitting on the armor, and with a cannon it hit the ribs, broke two ribs. And my automaton flew from the explosion into the hatch, and I hung on my belt. BMP stopped - I fell out of the belt. I then went to Father Cyril, asking him about this phenomenon of my dead friend. And he says: “If a saint appeared to you and told you - you would not think about what you were told, you would only be proud: behold, the saint came to me. And the words themselves would have forgotten. And so listened. We always listen to the opinions of our friends. Pray for him - and he will pray for you. ”

I remember it for life. I go and think: a friend is always there. I have someone to pray for. And what I have, I have thanks to him. Thank God for everything!
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  1. Cormorants
    Cormorants 26 November 2013 09: 00 New
    20
    "- From time immemorial borders on God, my bright Russia .." K.Kinchev
  2. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 26 November 2013 09: 04 New
    -28 qualifying.
    One question only, where does God come from? I’m always curious that a person has remained alive and he thanks God, believes that he brought death. Then maybe he will explain how it differs from those who died? Probably he so confidently considers himself a little better than all those who died. Exclusivity is not based on anything, in fact, it is just a manifestation of fate. It is very unpleasant to read such a thing, disrespect for the dead in my opinion is not the best feature.
    1. APES
      APES 26 November 2013 10: 24 New
      22
      Quote: vladsolo56
      One question only, and here


      it depends on another question: do you believe it or not?

      Quote: vladsolo56
      considers himself a little better than anyone


      The Orthodox will not allow such a thought that he can be better than anyone:
      one of the prayers: "Lord, do not let me judge anyone, but judge only myself and judge strictly"

      Quote: vladsolo56
      contempt


      in the article did not see anything like it
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 26 November 2013 12: 34 New
        +2
        it’s strange that you didn’t see it when the article says that everyone died and only one survived. Why is it that he deserves such mercy? And disrespect is just that, all the dead turn out to be not worthy of mercy except one. Believers just see only what is beneficial for them to see and no more.
        1. APES
          APES 26 November 2013 13: 04 New
          +2
          Quote: vladsolo56
          Why is it that he deserves such mercy?


          Why did Cain kill Abel?

          Watch Pavel Lungin's film "The Island"
        2. SIT
          SIT 26 November 2013 15: 00 New
          +6
          Quote: vladsolo56
          all the dead turns out were not worthy of mercy except one.

          Or maybe the other way around? This one remained in this world to unravel all the nodules for those who died? If Eslm does not unravel, then at the Last Judgment he will envy those who then left. The Lord gives strength to the test ...
          1. rereture
            rereture 26 November 2013 22: 36 New
            +1
            And how will he unravel? Revenge? Damn, do not build theories, people have died, but here they’ve divorced the one worthy, this one is not worthy, it’s just a matter of chance, fortanulo guy.
    2. Alligator_S
      Alligator_S 26 November 2013 11: 28 New
      10
      So it turns out that to ask the right question you already need to know 90% of the answer ... It’s not for us to judge who is better, but who is worse. It is not for us to know whose path has already been completed in this world, and who still needs to do something in this life. The atheist does not see anything behind death, therefore, he incorrectly most often draws conclusions; for the Orthodox believer, death is only a transition that captures the most favorable state of the soul for the subsequent life. However, for many, death is really the end. We lived, walked here, and then ...
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 26 November 2013 12: 35 New
        +1
        What is the point of the article then? why death for one is a transition, as you put it, for another trouble that he managed to avoid, to which hypocrisy I do not understand.
    3. Brother
      Brother 26 November 2013 11: 30 New
      +8
      The ways of the Lord are inscrutable, or do you know better - who will live and who will not? Who is better and who is worse? No, that's right. For a second it seemed to me that it was you who showed disrespect to this warrior, why did you decide that he considered himself better than others? I did not notice any disrespect, you yourself clocked this "disrespect for the dead", and clocked out of nowhere!
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 26 November 2013 12: 38 New
        -7
        Everything is much simpler, why did this person decide that God chose him alone for salvation? for what merits, it just so turns out that he was better than others and therefore remained alive, the rest are unworthy and therefore perished. Although it is useless to argue with the stubborn.
        1. APES
          APES 26 November 2013 12: 52 New
          +7
          Quote: vladsolo56
          why did this person decide that


          this man decided only one thing - that he further wants to serve God, which he did

          Quote: vladsolo56
          Although it is useless to argue with the stubborn.


          I agree, so just pray for you hi
        2. Brother
          Brother 26 November 2013 14: 53 New
          +4
          I repeat - The ways of the Lord are inscrutable! As He decided, it will be so!
          1. rereture
            rereture 26 November 2013 22: 38 New
            -2
            The main argument and universal excuse for all occasions ...
        3. duke
          duke 26 November 2013 21: 05 New
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          Where did you find hypocrisy, disrespect, benefit in this true story? Indeed, it is useless to argue with you ... Matt 11:16 But to whom shall I liken this generation? He is like children sitting on the street and, turning (to their comrades), 17 say: we played you on the flute, and you did not dance; we sang sad songs to you, and you did not cry. 18 For John came, neither eats nor drinks; and they say: there is a demon in him. 19 The Son of man came, eating and drinking; and they say: here is a man who loves to eat and drink wine, a friend to tax collectors and sinners. And wisdom is justified by her children.
      2. Kahlan amnell
        Kahlan amnell 26 November 2013 14: 04 New
        -2
        God works in mysterious ways

        When there is no answer to the question, the "irresistible" argument of the inscrutability of the paths immediately emerges, like an ace out of the sleeve.
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    5. Simon
      Simon 26 November 2013 15: 52 New
      +7
      The Russian soldier always went to the battle with a prayer and dressed in clean linen before the battle.
      1. Kahlan amnell
        Kahlan amnell 26 November 2013 16: 45 New
        +1
        Selflessness and heroism are not the fruit of religious faith.
        1. CreepyUknow
          CreepyUknow 26 November 2013 22: 33 New
          +1
          The only exception in this case is the pride of a person when he wants to glorify himself. In all other cases, a person acts according to the commandments of Christ, even sometimes without knowing it.
        2. Shur
          Shur 26 November 2013 23: 40 New
          0
          Drop the word "religious" and everything will fall into place. Wisdom (mudra) belongs to all people, not a particular religion. FAITH is a powerful source of spiritual growth. And earlier the Slavs lived with faith. Victory in spirit - Svyatoslav Igorevich - "Let us not shame the land of Russia, but lie down with bones here, the dead do not have shame ...." Battle with the Byzantines at Dorostol. Shame was worse than death .. They knew what faith is, but now it has grown. Our it, from how you do not paint over, will be ours.
          1. Kahlan amnell
            Kahlan amnell 27 November 2013 07: 55 New
            +1
            Dear Alexander. You’re right, but I’ll clarify everywhere - religious Vera.
            We won and faith in the rightness of our cause strengthened our ancestors under Dorostol, and in Stalingrad, and the besieged Leningrad, and everywhere.
            This faith has nothing to do with religious faith.
  3. ed65b
    ed65b 26 November 2013 09: 14 New
    10
    I don’t even know how the Lord measures people? what determines how much to live and how to die? the pious and the atheist can also die. And death accepts all.
    1. APES
      APES 26 November 2013 10: 14 New
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      Quote: ed65b
      I don’t even know how

      nobody knows that
      Quote: ed65b
      what determines how much to live

      no one said better than Vysotsky: "there are no delays on a visit to God"
  4. Metal
    Metal 26 November 2013 09: 16 New
    +6
    Praise God for sorrow and joy!
  5. makarov
    makarov 26 November 2013 09: 20 New
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    And someone from komenty doubted that in Russia there are PYATUS, only fat priests remained. Here is an example of PYATUS.
  6. archi.sailor
    archi.sailor 26 November 2013 10: 05 New
    +2
    Quote: Cormorants
    "- From time immemorial borders on God, my bright Russia .." K.Kinchev

    God have mercy on the polar explorers. BG
  7. Denga
    Denga 26 November 2013 10: 12 New
    -7
    Quote: vladsolo56
    One question only, where does God come from? I’m always curious that a person has remained alive and he thanks God, believes that he brought death. Then maybe he will explain how it differs from those who died? Probably he so confidently considers himself a little better than all those who died. Exclusivity is not based on anything, in fact, it is just a manifestation of fate. It is very unpleasant to read such a thing, disrespect for the dead in my opinion is not the best feature.


    Totally agree with you.

    PS Sometimes I come across people, someone fought in Chechnya, whose sons or brothers, people tell different things. One mother went to church, asked for her son to come alive - they killed his son anyway, it’s at least good that he didn’t get the corpse. For others, the only son fell into the column, the column was gouged, the seriously wounded guy had his eyes cut out, and a cocked grenade was inserted between the ribs. The zinc coffin was brought to parents with a shaded window. War is a very difficult event in the life of both a soldier and his relatives. And about the article with you (vladsolo56) I completely agree, you can’t do that.
    1. I am a Russian
      I am a Russian 26 November 2013 11: 34 New
      +1
      denga and you are an atheist?
    2. CreepyUknow
      CreepyUknow 26 November 2013 12: 29 New
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      Do you understand that going to Church and praying do not give a guarantee ?? It is not a store, and God is not a salesman; put a candle / prayed and everything is fine! We pray "Thy will be done." And no man is given the power to judge who dies and who doesn't. Deciding with our dead mind whether he died worthily or not, we are engaged in stupidity, because only God knows what spiritual state the deceased was in and when death is really better for him than life.
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 26 November 2013 12: 42 New
        -5
        Quote: CreepyUknow
        Do you understand that going to Church and praying do not give a guarantee ?? It is not a store, and God is not a salesman; put a candle / prayed and everything is fine! We pray "Thy will be done." And no man is given the power to judge who dies and who doesn't. Deciding with our dead mind whether he died worthily or not, we are engaged in stupidity, because only God knows what spiritual state the deceased was in and when death is really better for him than life.

        Then what is the meaning of faith?
        1. Kahlan amnell
          Kahlan amnell 26 November 2013 14: 07 New
          -2
          Do not look for meaning in the church faith.
          1. CreepyUknow
            CreepyUknow 26 November 2013 15: 54 New
            +1
            Do not seek the meaning of life in the existence of any atheist on earth. You definitely won’t find it.
            1. APES
              APES 26 November 2013 17: 00 New
              -1
              Quote: CreepyUknow
              Do not look for the meaning of life in the existence on earth of any

              not we created it and not for us to judge whether it makes sense or not wink

              sorry hi
            2. Shur
              Shur 27 November 2013 00: 32 New
              0
              Lost meaning .. Now we are looking for everything together and separately. There is a religion: "Cicero believed that it is a derivative of the Latin verb relegere (to collect again, again discuss, again ponder, postpone for special use)." That is, to return what you have lost. So we return that very meaning. In search and work on yourself.
        2. APES
          APES 26 November 2013 14: 10 New
          +5
          Quote: vladsolo56
          Then what is the meaning of faith?


          Then what is the meaning of life?
        3. CreepyUknow
          CreepyUknow 26 November 2013 15: 53 New
          +1
          To believe in God! And not only when it’s good, but when it’s bad, when everything goes the way you would not want to!
          1. Kahlan amnell
            Kahlan amnell 26 November 2013 16: 56 New
            +2
            This statement is as true as the statement: "You must believe vladsolo56". That is, in no way.
            Religious faith can only be blind and not thinking.
            As soon as you activate your mind, religious faith dissipates like morning fog.
            I speak from personal experience, from reflection on the Bible.
            1. CreepyUknow
              CreepyUknow 26 November 2013 22: 23 New
              0
              I wonder what would happen in this world if a person used only reason ?? No mercy - one pragmatism, like animals. I think you would not really like it. Therefore, it is not necessary to project the mind on everything - it is not universal. And about the mind in the Bible - read about the work of the learned Ivan Panin; he mathematically studied the text of this Book. Look at the results and conclusions of the scientist.
              1. Kahlan amnell
                Kahlan amnell 27 November 2013 08: 13 New
                +1
                Mercy is understanding the suffering of another. The consequence of this is compassion.
                The ability to mercy is a sign of a highly developed person.
            2. Shur
              Shur 27 November 2013 00: 37 New
              0
              You have to start somewhere. Why not from religion, when you outgrow it, then move on. So far, our mind leads us only to self-destruction. You see, the mind went beyond the mind. Do you understand what is different? The Bible is a hard book. God is in each of us, he always speaks to us, but we do not hear. You can name these concepts in different ways, but this is knowledge that is written in the language at the time of which it was captured. Obviously, we are talking about the subtle worlds. I'm more amazed how they knew so much in those dark "times"? Let those that wrote did not understand, but used, but we still do not use it en masse. Who's darker?
        4. Uncle
          Uncle 26 November 2013 16: 25 New
          0
          Quote: vladsolo56
          Then what is the meaning of faith?

          Vlad, have you noticed that with your denial of the Creator you are increasingly left in the minority? Isn't it time for you to reconsider your views on life?
          1. Kahlan amnell
            Kahlan amnell 26 November 2013 17: 27 New
            0
            Although it’s not addressed to me, but I’ll also ask - Did the Creator somehow manifest himself?
            So far, the hypothesis of God has not been confirmed or refuted, but the diversity of religious faiths is a fact indicating the source of their origin - the mind of man.
            Fear and misunderstanding by people of nature are the root of the origin of religion. Religion is the result of deception and self-deception of people. But this is by no means "us uplifting deception." On the contrary, religious illusions owe their appearance to fear, a sense of dependence, overwork and oppression, as well as ignorance.
            1. Uncle
              Uncle 26 November 2013 18: 59 New
              +1
              Quote: Kahlan Amnell
              Has the creator somehow proved himself?

              Of course, if you live carefully, then you constantly feel His hand. And Voltaire, by the way an atheist, said well: "People could not explain many natural phenomena and for this they invented God. But does not the whole structure of the world indicate His existence?"
              1. Kahlan amnell
                Kahlan amnell 26 November 2013 22: 02 New
                +1
                If God existed in reality, then the experience of his experience would be identical for all people, as the experience of the experience of "hot", "cold", "sweet", "bitter", "square", "round", "solid" is identical. "soft", etc.
                Subjective "experience" of a person is subjective because it is true only for one particular person. Another person will experience the idea of ​​God differently and his "experience" will be different from the "experience" of the first. Because all this is a game of the mind. A kind of kaleidoscope.
                1. CreepyUknow
                  CreepyUknow 26 November 2013 22: 37 New
                  0
                  It's a lie. The true servants of God were always the same in one thing - they were happy. Subjectivity lies only in how much a person wants and can accept God, that’s all.
                  1. Kahlan amnell
                    Kahlan amnell 27 November 2013 07: 27 New
                    0
                    It's a lie.

                    Prove your claim.
                    1. CreepyUknow
                      CreepyUknow 27 November 2013 10: 17 New
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                      I have already proved it by the fact that each of the saints was truly happy. The same subjectivity does not exist.
                      1. Kahlan amnell
                        Kahlan amnell 28 November 2013 11: 12 New
                        0
                        This is an argument, not a proof. Moreover, the argument, to put it mildly, no.
            2. CreepyUknow
              CreepyUknow 26 November 2013 22: 16 New
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              I advise you to read to you K. Lewis "Pain". Immediately thoughts of faith as a result of fear will find the answer.
              1. Kahlan amnell
                Kahlan amnell 27 November 2013 07: 29 New
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                I advise you to read the bible yourself. And more closely. Immediately thoughts of faith as a result of fear will find the answer.
                1. CreepyUknow
                  CreepyUknow 27 November 2013 11: 19 New
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                  And then I dare advise you to also carefully read the entire Bible again. If you are not biased, you will see the difference between the Old and New Testaments, you will see the evolution of both man himself in moral terms, and the evolution of God's relationship to man. The gospel gives the commandments of happiness, the commandments of bliss, and nothing is said about punishment.
                  1. Kahlan amnell
                    Kahlan amnell 28 November 2013 10: 47 New
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                    The contrast is too striking. The God of the Old Testament is the opposite of the God of the New Testament. Either these are different gods, or, after all, the concept of "god" has also evolved along with the moral development of man. This contrast is an argument in favor of this hypothesis.
            3. CreepyUknow
              CreepyUknow 26 November 2013 22: 27 New
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              By the way, yet. Those who, without fear and joy, went to torment - do you think they were depressed, beaten and in fear ?? I think that they were truly free. They were free from death. So it’s not worth talking about a certain infringement of a true Christian. Because he is free, and you, and I, and almost everyone else, are slaves.
              1. Kahlan amnell
                Kahlan amnell 27 November 2013 07: 39 New
                +2
                By the way, yet. Those who, without fear and joy, went to torment - do you think they were depressed, beaten and in fear ?? I think that they were truly free. They were free from death. So it’s not worth talking about a certain infringement of a true Christian. Because he is free, and you, and I, and almost everyone else, are slaves.

                Without fear and with joy? Are you sure? Or maybe the fear of short-term torment was drowned out by even greater fear - the eternal torment of hell, with which they loved to frighten?
                They were free from death.

                Nevertheless, they died.
                So it’s not worth talking about a certain infringement of a true Christian. Because he is free, and you, and I, and almost everyone else, are slaves.

                A true Christian was (if he was!) Only one. All the rest are imitators. And, I must say, very inept. And if you are a slave, then I do not consider myself a slave.
                1. CreepyUknow
                  CreepyUknow 27 November 2013 11: 51 New
                  0
                  Believe me - He - Christ - was. Science has not found a single refutation of biblical history. And at the expense of Christians, that's what believers began to call themselves. If we talk about the saints, then to the best of their ability they were real and skillful imitators.
                  And about slavery - I'm talking about slavery of death. How do you not consider yourself a slave if you die anyway? They died, but were not afraid of death, because they knew about the future life. But for you it, as I understand it, is not, therefore you are a slave to death and to deny it is not reasonable.
                  1. Kahlan amnell
                    Kahlan amnell 28 November 2013 11: 10 New
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                    Believe me - He - Christ - was. Science has not found a single refutation of biblical history.

                    I did not find indisputable confirmation either. And there are refutations. As you say: "Let the seeker find!"
                    And about slavery - I'm talking about slavery of death. How do you not consider yourself a slave if you die anyway?

                    So you will die. And what is the difference between us - me, the "slave" and you?
                    ... knew about a future life ...
                    Did you know or believe? Still believed. And this belief is a direct result of the fear of the disappearance of self.
                    In this regard, Buddhists (those original) were more honest. A person will die, his empirical personality will disappear with its experiences, and the elements of consciousness will form a new pattern and a new person will be born, a new empirical personality. This is no worse than your beliefs.
                    If matter does not arise from nothing and does not turn into nothing, then the information component also does not arise from nothing and does not turn into nothing.
                    A hypothesis worthy of attention.
            4. Shur
              Shur 27 November 2013 01: 12 New
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              This is the classic version of the origin of religion. Again, not all religions are intimidating. Our mind is the result itself. Here is a correct observation - "misunderstanding", ignorance. Look in Old Slavonic, Sanskrit I associate everything with knowledge ... You are not strange. If you have knowledge (any), then this is undoubtedly above ignorance. Without knowledge, mind does not arise. In fact. Where does knowledge come from? No matter how much science does not beat, it is not yet as close to understanding nature as we would like. Do you think that the hypothesis of God (creator) will be confirmed by someone? Even according to our logic, this is absurd. Faith is still the same, this is by logic. From the postulate that true is one. Religions interpret the same thing in their own way, and there are also quite a few languages ​​on earth. You can describe the same thing in different languages. You can even invent your own language. As a result, it turns out that the lack of meaning is meaningless. And other conclusions. A person is limited when he lives by logic, but in order to rise higher one must step over logic. To surpass. Technically, we're not going anywhere. This is really without the ultimate road. Through which we are losing ourselves more and more. All the same, we must carefully consider the heritage of our ancestors.
              1. Kahlan amnell
                Kahlan amnell 27 November 2013 08: 02 New
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                Without knowledge, there is no mind.

                Aren't you putting the cart before the horse? Knowledge is acquired by the mind, not the mind.
                1. Shur
                  Shur 27 November 2013 20: 56 New
                  +1
                  Interest Ask. As I understand it (and I wrote not about the absence, but about the fact of the manifestation of "emergence"). Our ancestors distinguished between two concepts "mind" and "mind", and as you know, the Russian language (as a branch of the Old Church Slavonic, etc.) contains a system of world outlook. So, in your opinion, the mind system (a priori exists, as a given) shows the ability to obtain knowledge (the unfortunate concept of "extraction", for my explanation, since it takes the ready-made in essence). Further, this knowledge accumulates and becomes reasonable (knowing), as I understand it. If through understanding, based on the meaning of the words of our language: "mind" is the ability to cognize (from different definitions), analyze information, order "cognize", that is, thinking (thinking), that is, before the mind (thought). There is a concept to act thoughtlessly. The same as unreasonable (not thought out, thought out). Further, having acquired "knowledge" (perhaps having received it as ready-made, as a product of someone else's thinking, it is often interpreted as a skill, but as I said, the concepts were different and were designated in different ways - the product of thinking, not thinking) we become knowledgeable (possessing knowledge as a set of information) , which in itself, in all things, is not the final result (embodiment). Further, we began to possess knowledge (as a result of mental activity), but we need to continue the process (we thought and brought it to mind, namely "to" him, for him) now we reproduce (try, practice), embody, fix (send again for revision - again think), we get experience, "skill", skill (as an algorithm for reproducing knowledge and improving the process itself) So in a circle, we improve. Now the expression - "mind for reason has gone" -setting on "an excess of theory (thinking) over practice (deed)". Moreover, my skill and let's say yours can be different, I can be less skillful than you. This certainly does not mean that I am less intelligent. Since the mind is the ability to realize, then qualitatively can be attributed, with all equal, as the speed of its action. That turns out smarter, almost faster (quick mind). In many Slavic languages, to understand is to understand, but not to be able to. They distinguished these concepts. A person who knows in life is not a fact that he is also able to ... We always have a lot of theoreticians. Reproduction of knowledge into the final result is mental activity. Accumulate knowledge, become knowledgeable, accumulate skills, become skillful. As a mind-mind system that does not exclude direct knowledge (intuition). Knowledge taken for execution immediately in finished form. Smarter as qualitatively higher. As the ability to reproduce more knowledge, more complexity. In general, knowledge must be able to use. To be able again :)
                  1. Kahlan amnell
                    Kahlan amnell 28 November 2013 11: 20 New
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                    You pleased me with your reasoning. Honestly, Alexander, pleased. It is a pity that only one plus can be put.
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          2. vladsolo56
            vladsolo56 27 November 2013 05: 00 New
            +1
            You know, even if I would rather be in the minority, but on the path to the search for truth, than in a crowd for which she cannot step without a shepherd. I also want to note the previous comment, if a person believes that the mind is worse than faith, then such a person is essentially an animal.
        5. duke
          duke 26 November 2013 21: 37 New
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          the question is, what is the meaning of life? It is difficult to answer in one phrase - So they said to Him: what should we do to do the works of God? Jesus answered and said to them: This is the work of God, that you should believe in Him whom He sent ”(John 6: 24-29). "I am the way and the truth and the life" (John 14: 6). John 10.10 I came so that they might have life and have it in abundance. Jn 6.38 for I came down from heaven not to do my will, but the will of the Father who sent me. 39 The will of the Father who sent me is that of what He gave me, nothing to destroy, but to resurrect everything in the last day.
          40 The will of Him that sent Me is that that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him has eternal life; and I will raise him up on the last day.
          I believe that this is the meaning of faith among Christians. And the meaning of life - God became man, so that man can become God ...
          1. Shur
            Shur 27 November 2013 01: 27 New
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            God manifested himself as a man in response to the thirst to know him. As a result, "please go to the cross." So we are still far away and even, in my opinion, in the wrong direction. The language of the Bible is heavy. I am sure we will create a new Bible, like a book of books, like a collection of wisdom. Where everything processed spiritually will go.
        6. Shur
          Shur 27 November 2013 00: 19 New
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          Faith is an understanding of universal harmony. The highest truth. The point is in its direct acceptance by a person. The truth is beyond our logic. She's not blind. In Sanskrit dhárma (dharma), literally, what supports, in Russian, the meaning is given as "the universal law of being". Knowledge is power. That's the point. He is very deep in this meaning. I think everyone will answer this question for himself. These are not just fables, this is knowledge of how the human spirit works. You can check for yourself! "According to your faith"
    3. O_RUS
      O_RUS 26 November 2013 18: 20 New
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      Denga the question is simple what say -
      Quote: I am a Russian
      denga and you are an atheist?
  8. runway
    runway 26 November 2013 11: 37 New
    +4
    Quote: vladsolo56
    vladsolo56

    I agree with you, but the computer for some reason instead of a plus shows a minus. There are a great many cases and accidents in the war. Someone thanks God for salvation, someone thanks to his comrades. But I want to say about those who did not return from the war. Eternal memory to the fallen. A curse by the hands of the leaders who betrayed and framed our children in the 1st and 2nd Chechen. Although there were enough traitors and scum at all times, but it is precisely in such a difficult time that they are clearly manifested. But they will not evade responsibility for their atrocities. We all remember, and we will not forgive.
    1. Alligator_S
      Alligator_S 26 November 2013 11: 46 New
      +2
      Traitors and bastards should be remembered well, but there is such a quote: "Do not avenge yourself, beloved, but give place to the wrath [of God]. For it is written: Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord" (Rom. 12:19)
      After all, it's not for nothing that people say: "A dog's death" ...
      1. Kahlan amnell
        Kahlan amnell 26 November 2013 12: 15 New
        +1
        Traitors and bastards should be remembered well, but there is such a quote: "Do not avenge yourself, beloved, but give place to the wrath of [God]. For it is written: Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord" (Rom. 12:19) ...

        There are other words: "But I say to you not to resist the evil: but even if you want to hit your gum on your doe, turn to the other: and whoever is judged to eat you and take your garment to you, let go of the evil one ... But whoever strikes you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also; and whoever wants to sue you and take your shirt, give him your outer garment)
        And when you will be robbed and beaten by you, if you are a believer, must humbly stand and endure. And in no case do not defend yourself - after all, this non-fulfillment of God's word is a terrible sin! And you must fulfill everything said in the bibleEven this: "If your hand or your feet feel good about you, if you take it away from you: it’s good, be quiet, to enter into a living crumble or if you do not (without a hand}, you’re not twice as good as you’ve got a double or your leg tempts you, cut them off and throw them away: it is better for you to enter life without an arm or without a leg, than with two hands and two legs to be thrown into eternal fire).
        1. Alligator_S
          Alligator_S 27 November 2013 11: 45 New
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          Only in the Old Testament everything was fulfilled only literally, which led people to the highest degree of hypocrisy - pharisaism. In the New Testament, just the opposite is important not so much what you do, but why, what your thoughts, desires, state of mind. Suffering and especially death for loved ones, homeland, faith - this is the highest form of self-sacrifice. But can it also be said if, for example, a drunken drunk bothers you? Here humility can also hurt, however, there is also no one recipe for behavior. The important thing is inside.
          A quote about cutting off organs also does not need to be taken so literally, only fanatics do that. This quote says that the value of the soul, its subsequent fate, is more important than the body, and even the world of everything ... The Orthodox person must first of all be guided by reason and Christian virtues.
          And in a world where tolerance for sin (sodomy, etc.) is implanted, the so-called tolerance, which rather speaks of the absence of a healthy reaction of the society's body to stimuli, which happens only in dying people and corpses. In this world, a Christian must speak and denounce boldly and honestly, and when he needs to give it to the eye. After all, it was not for nothing that the Holy Fathers of the Church of Christ dragged heretics by the beards and did not hesitate to use their fists. There is an expression: "I am Orthodox, after all, I can hit in the face ...".
          So much more important is the internal, not the external. Sometimes it is necessary to humbly endure, and sometimes to repulse, so much so that it does not seem a little.
          1. Kahlan amnell
            Kahlan amnell 28 November 2013 11: 42 New
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            What you just wrote is exegetical exercises.
            Exegesis, exegesis (dr. Greek ἐξηγητικά, from ἐξήγησις, “interpretation, exposition”) - a section of theology in which Bible texts are interpreted; doctrine of the interpretation of texts.
            That is, simply - a method of interpretation in a way that is beneficial to the interpreter.
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  10. faraon
    faraon 26 November 2013 11: 55 New
    +1
    The Lord’s ways are inscrutable as is the Lord’s business with each of us. When you are under art shelling, you believe and pray and you don’t have to say that it’s not scary, scary and only prayer from the heart helps to hold on and endure.
  11. faraon
    faraon 26 November 2013 11: 55 New
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    The Lord’s ways are inscrutable as is the Lord’s business with each of us. When you are under art shelling, you believe and pray and you don’t have to say that it’s not scary, scary and only prayer from the heart helps to hold on and endure.
  12. George
    George 26 November 2013 13: 10 New
    +5
    The man spoke about his personal experience.
  13. slovak007
    slovak007 26 November 2013 13: 29 New
    +6
    "We are Russians - God is with us!" /AND. V. Suvorov /
    1. the monastery
      the monastery 27 November 2013 01: 47 New
      -1
      in the 30s, only the strong-willed, Orthodox
  14. zub46
    zub46 26 November 2013 13: 57 New
    0
    The polemic on the relationship to the Almighty is meaningless and useless. Each question is decided by himself and only by himself. But keep in mind that most of us were baptized in Orthodoxy in infancy - our parents worried. At least out of respect for our parents, we will not take the path of militant atheism.
    1. Kahlan amnell
      Kahlan amnell 26 November 2013 14: 10 New
      +3
      The argument is rather weak. It means sharing the delusions of a good person.
      Eight out of ten baptisms - because it should be and everyone does it.
      1. Pancho
        Pancho 26 November 2013 21: 14 New
        -1
        Quote: Kahlan Amnell
        Eight out of ten baptisms - because it should be and everyone does it.

        Do you have statistics on this topic?
        1. Kahlan amnell
          Kahlan amnell 26 November 2013 21: 40 New
          +1
          Observational data for more than twenty years. It is good for you?
          1. Pancho
            Pancho 27 November 2013 21: 42 New
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            No, it won’t work. It’s subjective. You won’t get into people's hearts. And yet, have you really been guarding those who wish to baptize or be baptized at the entrance for twenty years, I don’t BELIEVE!
            1. Kahlan amnell
              Kahlan amnell 28 November 2013 11: 28 New
              -1
              Hamite, a young man.
              1. Pancho
                Pancho 29 November 2013 23: 12 New
                -1
                You cannot distinguish rudeness from irony. And there is no reasoned answer.
                1. Kahlan amnell
                  Kahlan amnell 3 December 2013 12: 34 New
                  -1
                  The irony in this building not. Only rudeness stemming from bad manners. It’s hard for you to think, and religion does not allow it.
                  1. Pancho
                    Pancho 4 December 2013 23: 07 New
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                    It’s not for you to judge how I was raised. A person with a clever physiognomy tries to talk about high matter without understanding anything about it.
      2. duke
        duke 26 November 2013 21: 44 New
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        and where did you get the idea that you are not mistaken? as a good person? Why did you decide that you have the ultimate truth?
        1. Kahlan amnell
          Kahlan amnell 27 November 2013 07: 49 New
          +1
          and where did you get the idea that you are not mistaken? as a good person? Why did you decide that you have the ultimate truth?

          Take and check. All data is verifiable.
          As a good person, it was a question of father and mother. For anyone, his father and mother are the best.
          Did I say that my statements are the ultimate truth? Show me where I wrote this? I did not pretend to be absolutely true - this is the prerogative of religiously minded comrades. Dogma. You can only believe in dogma, it is impossible to prove it.
          My statements can be refuted, but not by arguments "... I feel this way ...". But this has not yet been done.
          1. the monastery
            the monastery 27 November 2013 16: 30 New
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            tell me personally what dogma can you only believe in?
            1. Kahlan amnell
              Kahlan amnell 28 November 2013 11: 45 New
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              Take any religious dogma and try it scientific to prove. If you can’t prove it, believe it.
  15. Romanychby
    Romanychby 26 November 2013 14: 47 New
    +3
    God is in each of us. And do not convince unbelievers. This is useless. The main thing is that we ourselves believe.
  16. slaventi
    slaventi 26 November 2013 15: 38 New
    +1
    All true, God helps those who turn to him.
    If GOD is with us, we are invincible.
  17. kaktus
    kaktus 26 November 2013 15: 57 New
    +3
    There is a friend, said Solomon,
    which is closer than brother.
    But before he meets in life,
    you will be mistaken a hundredfold.
    99 only your own sin will be seen in your soul,
    and only the hundredth next to you will stand alone against all

    Neither seduction nor supplication
    a friend cannot be found.
    99 will go with you
    as long as they go,
    as long as your glory shines upon them, your luck entails,
    but only the hundredth to save you will rush into the maelstrom.

    And will always be wide open for a friend
    your wallet and home
    and you can tell him without shame
    what they are talking about with difficulty.
    99 will be bustling, wondering about the lamb,
    and only the hundredth will say, as is, what is in his soul.

    You both know how sometimes
    blind fidelity is needed.
    And a friend stands up for you mountain
    without asking whose fault.
    99, hearing a thunder, run into the bushes strive,
    but only the hundredth will go with you to the gallows and to hell!

    R. Kipling, translation by S. Marshak
  18. Poruchik 90
    Poruchik 90 26 November 2013 16: 58 New
    +3
    Relatives in Chernigov have a priest (confessor), a former paratrooper, the unit (Afghanistan) in which he served was ambushed, the guy prayed for the whole battle and made a promise to himself if he survived, he would go to the monks. He alone then survived, the word given to God kept.
    1. faraon
      faraon 26 November 2013 17: 07 New
      +4
      There are two of us, and now we both live in Israel, despite the fact that we are not Jews. It just happened. When there is no hope and no gap is visible, there is only someone to trust in God like that, he is always with you regardless of your religion , and attitude to religion.
      I’ll just quote the statement of my political officer “there are no atheists under fire” - that says it all
      1. slaventi
        slaventi 28 November 2013 13: 28 New
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        What is the point of a non-Jew living in Israel? Let the Jews wait for their machias. Perhaps it will be hot there soon. Shelling the hesbols will seem like New Year's gifts.
    2. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 27 November 2013 05: 04 New
      +1
      Of course, someone prayed, and someone fought for him and died, and now he thanks God
      1. the monastery
        the monastery 27 November 2013 16: 36 New
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        no for neg, each is put where it should be, and we choose where we want
  19. Sergg
    Sergg 26 November 2013 21: 03 New
    +3
    A good friend of mine, with whom we served for many years, fought in Aganistan, and he said the same: "there is no such thing as atheists under fire." Speaks already in the first battle all the dandruff from the person flies.
    Probably, you involuntarily take a look: what is there beyond the bounds of life, when it can end right now.
    Eternal memory to all those who died - not for a sweet slice they fought.
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 27 November 2013 05: 05 New
      -1
      Lies and propaganda, your comrade is what you are, and it’s not worth affirming what is not really there.
      1. the monastery
        the monastery 27 November 2013 16: 33 New
        0
        tell me more precisely what lies and what is propaganda?
  20. rereture
    rereture 26 November 2013 22: 32 New
    +2
    A life story that puts everything in its place. The story is not mine, a friend told me.

    Not so long ago, one guy from our department returned from Chechnya, an excellent operative, but the person is far from computers, like an elephant from Antarctica. Especially, he tries not to recall his business trip, but he told me personally (as the main computer department of the department) one story:
    There was a battle for one populated point (a kishlak, in English), our guys went to sit at the head of the house, unable to get out: the hachas occupied a brick house (apparently, earlier belonged to the local chairman) and outfid from there. One of the main problems was the inability to use artillery or air support. Hachi, using a situation, fired a “disturbing” fire. It should be noted that AK-74 shots have a very high tendency to ricochets, so our guys didn’t feel very comfortable: and there was one guy among them, just a public helper, in the previous sysadmin (!).
    So, when the next crazy pyllya whistled over his head, the boy's nerves surrendered, and with the “IDeDeKyDe !!!!!” cry, the guy broke into attack. The rest of the group is behind him. What is paradoxical is the fact that the militants from such impudence simply wowed the guns and frightened the moment when the whole group, shouting something utterly wild, broke into this very house of the chairman. In general, our kishlak our guys took. Some, of course, were banished, but there were no serious problems. Sysop got off easy at all, although he rushed ahead of everyone in the attack. When our opera in the evening asked the young man that he was yelling, the answer was an incomprehensible silence, and then the question: “Didn't you hear anything at all about Doom?”.
    You will laugh, but the “code word” has become a kind of mascot of the detachment for the entire term of the mission. You can imagine the eyes of our opera when I explained to him what this means.


    iddqd - cheat code for DOOM game giving invulnerability
  21. the monastery
    the monastery 27 November 2013 01: 41 New
    +1
    as always, we come to God when we’re completely unbearable, therefore sorrows are sent to us
  22. Joonkey
    Joonkey 27 November 2013 18: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: vladsolo56
    Then what is the meaning of faith?

    What is the meaning of life?
    The meaning of faith, faith, god ... each concept is so individual that a person must give himself and only himself the answer, what does this mean for him personally. But the lack of faith leads to the destruction and degeneration of the people or the whole civilization - there are a lot of historical examples of this !!!
    Yes, and meaningless burning of life in order to devour and sleep - I do not know, probably it’s better to hang yourself right away, especially since it’s not a sin for an unbeliever
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 28 November 2013 04: 56 New
      -3
      It’s better for you to hang yourself, with your worldview, maybe a person has not descended from a monkey, but judging by your statements, he’s moving towards a monkey
  23. stalkerscc
    stalkerscc 28 November 2013 13: 54 New
    +1
    vladsolo56 sharpness and name-calling, even if indirect, will not help you challenge the truly truthful things.
  24. stalkerscc
    stalkerscc 28 November 2013 13: 55 New
    +1
    vladsolo56 If you are trying to convince the readers of this article that the article is not true and there is no God, you are wasting your time.
  25. Odin_ne_voin
    Odin_ne_voin 28 November 2013 18: 44 New
    +2
    When I flew into a passenger car under the K-700 (in other words, a large tractor, who doesn’t know), an icon the size of a sheet of A-4 format lying simply (not fixed by anything) on ​​the instrument panel stopped the further movement of the car under the tractor. The towing hook of the tractor bumper rested against it just like a wall, and the car did not drive further under the tractor. The icon did not budge a centimeter, and only a small dent remained on it. No one was hurt in the car. Eyewitnesses to the accident, as well as traffic police officers who arrived later, could not believe what had happened. Because the car should not have stopped, it would have flown completely under the tractor with the removal of the roof pillars, the roof itself, and actually us. There were other examples in my life. Like this. Without Prayer, I don’t start any important business. I think that all of us will sooner or later come to God. I apologize for being off topic. Just a personal example for those in doubt.