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Stalingrad - the unknown pages of the great battle

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19 November 1942, our troops launched an operation to encircle the Germans around Stalingrad. This was the beginning of the end of the Third Reich. The material of the head of the regional Stalingrad air defense organization, Anton Shchepetnova, is devoted to the colossal battle that unfolded on the banks of the Volga 71 a year ago.


And her less known, but no less important points.

Stalingrad - the unknown pages of the great battle

“The scale of the battle unfolded near Stalingrad between the Don and Volga rivers is difficult to imagine. Unfortunately, in the eyes of the mass man in the street, a complex multi-faceted battle on the Volga has been reduced to a set of stamps - fighting in the city, eye sockets of buildings. On the first floor we are on the second floor - the Germans, crossing under fire, etc. All this was. But this is only one of the heroic pages of our glorious past. Other, no less heroic and much larger events in the steppes near Stalingrad, were overshadowed. But the key moments of the Battle of Stalingrad took place not in the city, but in the bare steppe to the north-west of Stalingrad.

The geographical names Kotluban, Samofalovka, Kuzmichi, Gorodische say little to the modern layman. Although it was there that the most bloody and dramatic battles of the Battle of Stalingrad took place. It was the steppe expanses that became the scene of intense and bloody battles with the use of large masses of armored vehicles supported by rifle formations and aviation. The forgotten 564-km journey lost by God near the Kotluban station was mentioned in the reports up to and including the frontlines.

It was here that a positional crisis arose when the means of attack (the Soviet side) come into balance with the means of defense (Paulus). We cannot break through the rich anti-tank defenses of the Germans (in German terminology, fighting for a land bridge); Paulus, in turn, cannot remove the infantry and mechanized formations involved here, in order to send them to the aid of the units storming the city on the Volga. A somewhat unexpected conclusion follows from here - it was here that the forces of the land bridge were used to force many times more forces than in the city itself, both from the German and from the Soviet side. But first things first.

How did it happen that the Germans, having been defeated near Moscow, went through the Soviet defense like a knife through oil and reached Stalingrad and the Caucasus? The fact is that the “blue operation” (Fall Blau) was carried out by the Germans after the Kharkov operation that failed for us (the so-called “Second Battle for Kharkov”). In an effort to surround the Germans, our troops themselves fell into the boiler. Then, as a result of encirclement, a large group of Soviet troops perished in the Barvenkovo ​​Cauldron. As a result of this, a wide gap was formed in the front, where motorized infantry rushed and Tanks Fedor von Bock and Hermann Goth. It should be said that N.S. Khrushchev, who was a member of the military council of the South-West direction, had a direct relationship to the Kharkov disaster. G.K.Zhukov repeatedly spoke about this in private conversations, which later came to him in the form of the Khrushchev disgrace. Khrushchev and Tymoshenko guaranteed Stalin the success of the operation and persuaded to begin its implementation.

To better understand what happened on the Volga, you need to "systematize" what happened a little. The battle of Stalingrad can be divided into three major stages.

1. Maneuvering battle on the distant approaches to the city: mid-July - late August 1942

2. Fighting for the city and the counterattacks of the Stalingrad Front on the flank of the 6 Army: the end of August — 19 in November 1942.

3. Surrounding the army of Paulus, a reflection of Field Marshal Manstein’s attempt to unblock it and the destruction of the encircled troops during Operation Ring.

Why, in spite of the "Barvenkovsky cauldron" (operation "Friederikus" in German terminology), did the Germans so quickly make their leap through the Don steppes towards Stalingrad and the Volga? If you do not go into lengthy arguments, the main reason was the mastery of the strategic initiative, the possibility of choosing to deliver the main blow. In addition to this - the qualitative superiority of the Germans, as well as the perfect organizational structure of the German armored forces, which allows the strike forces to act in many ways autonomously in isolation from the main forces. That is, to develop a breakthrough in depth without losing penetrative power. The whole strategy of blitzkrieg was based on this principle. The German forces were supported by the most experienced and powerful in supporting the ground forces of the VIII air corps of V. von Richthofen. Do not overlook the higher motorization of the Wehrmacht, which was more than relevant in the endless Don steppes near Stalingrad.

But the forgotten heroic page of the first stage of the battle on the Volga is not the famous cauldron on the right bank of the Don, in the Kalach region, where significant forces of our 62 army (3 rifle division; 5 fighter-anti-tank regiments; 3 tank battalion) got into the agile phase of the battle. These people died or were captured, but they detained a steamroller of German mechanized formations, which enabled the Soviet command to transfer reserves.

Again and again, the boilers in which the Soviet troops fought and died fiercely proved to be a significant factor in the failure to meet the deadlines of the offensive by the Wehrmacht’s motorized divisions. Both the Kiev and Vyazma boilers of the 1941 year were “rich” in prisoners and the loss of the Soviet troops, but they gave our country an equally valuable resource — time. The divisions of the Germans, standing on the perimeter and compressing the boiler, did not go forward. By the way, the Nazis tried with different degrees of success to reproduce such tactics in the second half of the war, by creating cities of fortresses - festungs (from him. Festung).

Unforeseen delays "in the run" of the German armies to the Don and Volga led to the fact that the Soviet command was able to concentrate reserves on the prepared lines of the Stalingrad defensive lines. It should be said that Stalin's foresight sometimes bordered on supernatural foresight. (Or by understanding WHERE, in the end, is Hitler! - N.S.) The fact is that he ordered the Stalingrad defensive lines to prepare for defense back in 1941, when Stalingrad was still deep in the rear!

After the breakthrough of the Germans to the nearest approaches to the city, they came to the Don in the area of ​​Peskovatka, Vertyachy, and Triostrovskaya. Immediately, a bridgehead was formed at the Vertyachy farm, where active accumulation of forces began. 23 August 1942, the enemy launched an offensive from this bridgehead. The rifle division that defended the perimeter of 98 was swept away by a barrage of fire - later a man without an equipment was able to gather around 300. The Germans rushed to Stalingrad. Soon the Wehrmacht’s tank units formed an elongated "finger", which, with its apex, rested against the village of Rynok, now flooded with the Volgograd reservoir. Our 62 army was cut off from the main forces, its supply was carried out only along the Volga and partially through the air. The Soviet command understood that the presence of a German breakthrough to the river and the blocking of a group of Soviet troops in the city put the defense of Stalingrad on the brink of an abyss. Complete freedom of action of the German XIV tank corps in Stalingrad meant the fall of the city in a few days. The forces of the Germans needed at any cost to delay the storming of the city, imposing on them a battle off the streets of Stalingrad.

Generally all история The battle of Stalingrad is a vivid example of the retention of the city by an external (flank) impact on the attackers. But then by the beginning of autumn 1942, everything was hanging by a thread. On September 2 a member of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Great Britain, GM Malenkov arrived at the command post 1 of the Guards Army of the Stalingrad Front. Without a doubt, this was the decisive moment of the war. Stalin sent Malenkov to ensure that Stalingrad was not surrendered.

[Remarque: Generally, it was Malenkov who later played the role of the “eye of the sovereign” in the headquarters of fronts and formations. Suffice it to say that George Maximilianovich headed a commission to ascertain the causes of the huge losses of the Voronezh Front during the Battle of Kursk and, in particular, the counterstrike near Prokhorovka. The findings of the commission are classified so far!].

It took the genius of Zhukov, his iron hand and unbending will. Marshal Zhukov preempted the Germans for only a few days, and maybe hours. The strike of the mechanized units of the Stalingrad Front was carried out in a hurry, units entered into battle in parts, reconnaissance of the area was not carried out, not all brigade commanders even had maps of the area. Aviation and artillery could not suppress the firing points of the Germans, the infantry lay down, the tanks went to the lines of anti-tank defense without cover. Of the tank formations, only 7 tank corps Rotmistrov, who “did not advance absolutely a meter”, were able to enter into battle - this is a quote from the combat report.

However, it was this blow that cost us a lot of blood that became a salutary for the city. The German XIV tank corps was deployed from Stalingrad, Paulus was forced to put up a ground bridge for defense, to which the Russian powerful 9-ti battalion divisions were rushing. The fact is that due to heavy losses most of the divisions of the Wehrmacht by that time were "optimized" and converted into 6-ti battalion, which was later secured in the state. So on defense, Paulus threw the strongest old-fashioned divisions and a full-fledged tank corps. They were deployed from the city and defended the ground bridge, and the Stalingrad ruins went to the division weaker.

With his offensive, Zhukov turned the tide of battle; the Germans were in the meat grinder. And she had this terrible meat grinder for both sides; one should not think that for the Germans these battles took place without a trace. The terrible positional battles began, where the strengths of the Wehrmacht could not have manifested themselves - powerful tank strikes followed by enemy coverage and surroundings.

18 September 1942 was followed by the second offensive of the Stalingrad Front. It was no less bloody and also did not bring a decisive result. The tanks of the 62 Tank Brigade passed through the German positions, broke into the village of Borodino (about 10 km), where they were all burned by the Germans. But the main goal of the positional battle nevertheless reached. The strongest in terms of qualitative and quantitative composition German units were excluded from the composition of the troops storming the city and bled to death in the steppes around Stalingrad.

In essence, the Soviet command imposed Paulus zugzwang. In chess, the so-called situation is called, when each subsequent move worsens the situation, but it is impossible not to go, because a forced sequence of moves is imposed. Having suffered great losses during the repulse of the offensive of the northern wing of the Stalingrad Front, Paulus was forced to throw into the city battles the most valuable mechanized units of the 14 and then the 16 of the tank division. And they "melted" in urban battles. It was precisely them that Paulus did not have enough to repel the blows of Operation Uranus. It turned out that at first Paulus lost or very weakened the infantry divisions necessary for the assault on city streets, and then instead of them ditched tank divisions in the city. As a result of the actions of our troops, as a result of their pressure on the Germans, Paulus got stuck in positional battles north of Stalingrad, and this became a salutary for the city. However, our troops failed to carry out the "maximum program", the Soviet troops could not make their way to the connection with the 62 army. Ground bridge resisted under a hail of blows. But that is why Stalingrad was not taken by the Germans. And then. 19 November 1942, the new offensive of our army began, which led to the encirclement and subsequent death of the best army of Hitler's Wehrmacht.

[Remark: Soviet military leaders are often reproached for agreeing to their own, personal evacuation from the 41-42 boilers of the year (Tymoshenko from the Kiev boiler, Admiral of Oktyabrsky from Sevastopol). However, these are isolated cases. But General Efremov, the commander of the notorious 33 th army killed in the environment, refused to evacuate, sending a seriously wounded fighter in his place. So did the commander of 63 "black" Corps Petrovsky. The enemy was different.

Pragmatic Germans understood that the life of an officer, however cynical it might sound, costs more than the life of a simple soldier. And they saved their command cadres without a shadow of a doubt. Shortly before repelling the second offensive of the Stalingrad Front, commander of the XIV tank corps von Wittersheim proposed to withdraw troops from the city. This offer cost him his job, he was dismissed for his proposal, his place was taken by the commander of the 16 Panzer Division, Hans Valentin Hube. When the disaster at Stalingrad became inevitable Hube left the cauldron on the plane. Arriving on the mainland, he compiled a list of competent and efficient officers whose lives should be saved. They left the Stalingrad boiler: Lieutenant-General Count von Schwerin, Lieutenant-General Pfeiffer, Major-General Steinmetz and many others. It would not be an exaggeration to say that the flight of commanders of the 6 Army has become widespread. “To die for Germany” were not in a hurry and smaller officers, for example, Major Willy Langate, commander of the tank regiment 14 of the tank division, future commander of the division “Kurmar”].

Kitchen strategists of all stripes often blame the Soviet command for all mortal sins (filled up with corpses, won by quantity, won with cruelty to their own). The most common lie - piled up with corpses. Let's ask ourselves: why, being already surrounded, the German 6 army did not dare to break through? After all, very soon the entire commanding staff of the 6 army became clear that the army was on the brink of the abyss. The release of Goth and Manstein - Operation Wintergewitter The Winter Thunderstorm failed, despite the fact that E. Routh's 6 Panzer Division was only 40 km from the internal front of Paulus’s troops. But Paulus did not receive a breakthrough order and did not give such an order. We should not think that the army was clinging to the Stalingrad land because of the Fuhrer's stupid obstinacy "to keep the city of Stalin at any cost." The sequence of actions dictated brutal military expediency. The fact is that the Soviet command launched Operation Small Saturn and the 6-I German Panzer Division received a new order - to advance to the Tatsinskaya area, which finally put a bold cross on the fate of the Paulus army. And 6-I army received its last task: to hold out as long as possible, delaying the maximum number of Soviet troops in order to ensure the flank of the withdrawal of Army Group "A". The German command absolutely deliberately sacrificed 330 thousand people in order to avoid even more catastrophe - the environment of the army group in the Caucasus. Therefore, the thesis “filled up with corpses” in this case fits exactly to the German side. War is war, hard decisions were made by both parties.

Stalingrad became not only a symbol of the Wehrmacht’s military catastrophe, it marked a colossal scrapping of the mentality of the German military and civil society. Suffice it to say that the backbone of the future of the pro-Soviet "Union of German officers" and "Free Germany" was formed precisely by people who were captured at Stalingrad. Field Marshal Paulus himself became the most famous person who had gone over to the side of the USSR after the Battle of Stalingrad. But other examples are no less characteristic. Thus, the well-known German military leader, commander of the army corps, Lieutenant General Walter von Seidlits-Kurzbach, with a professional eye appreciated the prospect of war on the Eastern Front and considered it beneficial to cooperate with the Soviet authorities. During the Korsun-Shevchenko operation, he repeatedly addressed through a loudspeaker to surrounded German troops with a call to cease resistance. Leaflets signed by him were actively scattered, which undoubtedly influenced the morale of the Germans, and saved many lives of Soviet soldiers.

In this sense, Stalingrad can be compared with the battle on the Kulikovo field. The victory on the Kulikovo Field did not bring liberation from the Tatar yoke, it lasted for a long time, but it became the first victory over the enemy, which seemed invincible, which made the final liberation a matter of time. Stalingrad is a victory at a time when the Germans were at the peak of their power and military success. But although, as after the Kulikovo Field, the war continued for a long time, it became clear to everyone that victory would come without a doubt.

Instead of an epilogue. I have often heard from other cities that we have a “heavy” city and “heavy” people. Gloomy not always smiling. This is not quite true. We just have everything close by. Until the middle of the 70-s, the favorite toys of the children of the surrounding villages and farms were military ammunition items, and sometimes weapon. Not far from the airport in the city, right under the feet of the trench line. The war is near. She sometimes looks out of the most unexpected angles. I lived in my own home for more than 30 years. Once down the stairs, I suddenly saw a stamp stamped on an I-beam “KRUPP 1941” carrier beam. Like this. Beam trophy. Engineering reserves 6 army went to the good business of building my house. War has always been near at Stalingrad. And the farther those events go from us, the stronger trenches grow, the more myths and fables flourish, implanted by our kitchen strategists and armchair fighters for the truth of war. If I have managed to dispel these myths at least a little bit, I will consider my task accomplished.
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  1. does it
    does it 30 November 2013 08: 31
    -19 qualifying.
    Kitchen strategists of all stripes often blame the Soviet command for all mortal sins (they overwhelmed with corpses, won the number, defeated the cruelty to their own). The most common lie - littered with corpses.
    No, not kitchen. And veterans of the Second World War are the very ones who liberated half of Europe from the "brown plague", "Those who took Berlin."
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver 30 November 2013 10: 17
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      Quote: kvirit
      ...No ,not kitchen.And the veterans of the Second World War are the very ones who freed half of Europe from the "brown plague" ..

      Studebaker.
      The writer Astafiev (the author of the phrase about "corpses") mainly saw the war from the cab of a car.
      He also hated the Soviet regime and in time came up with an image - the waste of Perestroika of the 80s.
      1. does it
        does it 1 December 2013 02: 13
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        Quote: BigRiver
        Studebaker.
        The writer Astafiev (the author of the phrase about "corpses") mainly saw the war from the cab of a car.
        He also hated the Soviet regime and in time came up with an image - the waste of Perestroika of the 80s.

        In the 80s, a veteran lived in my neighborhood, he was a cheerful grandfather, and so when the Victory Day holiday came, sitting on a bench, he remembered his fallen comrades by name, with the words: "you stayed young forever, but I am already old" and further between memories "we filled up the Germans with corpses".Parents coming home from work told; that veterans talked about the war, and again "the corpses of the Germans were filled up"what do you want to pass me for my words? go hand in! the Germans did not kill their not kill.Well and further in the same vein....
        1. Bigriver
          Bigriver 1 December 2013 13: 32
          +2
          Quote: kvirit
          ... I had a veteran in my neighborhood in the 80s, I had a funny grandfather ... sitting on a bench, recalled ... "we filled up the Germans with corpses"....

          ... veterans told about the war, and again "corpses ...

          This speaks of the popularity of the Democratic press in the 80s, which abundantly quoted Astafiev's copyright "they filled up with corpses."
          But you didn’t take any interest in the veterans in vain - how, at least theoretically, it is possible to fill up a kilometer of German defense with the corpses of one rifle regiment of 1,5-2 thousand people and complete a combat mission? Given that on this kilometer more than 12-20 MG-34. Apart from mortars and artillery. This is the density of the Red Army in the offensive for the winter period of 1942 (PU-39).
          In the initial period of the war, yes, there was such a practice - throwing infantry into the frontal on an unsuppressed defense. But, already to Stalingrad, there were incomparably fewer clinical dicks .... in command. For a simple reason - destroying a battalion, regiment, or a division in frontal attacks, it is impossible to fulfill the task of breaking through the defense and developing success inland. There was a natural selection of war - dolb ... would-commanders were removed from their posts and went to the rear. A capable and competent moved forward.
          These latter brought the Red Army to Berlin and other places.
          1. does it
            does it 2 December 2013 05: 45
            -5
            Trenched truth: That which differs from the sleek propaganda of scribble is that a person described what he personally experienced without varnishing. And many of those in power did not like and did not like it.
            1. Shogun23
              Shogun23 2 December 2013 08: 21
              +1
              Do you at least understand that the tactic of "filling up with corpses" is at least ineffective!
              Suppose such a situation, there are 3 battalions (for example). 1st comes to point A, 2nd to point B, third in reserve. The task is to break through the enemy defenses and develop the offensive.
              The 1st battalion advances according to the rules of hostilities and, after suffering small losses, breaks through the defenses, the 2nd one goes ahead and loses a huge number of fighters, having not achieved success, as a result the enemy goes on a counterattack on the 2nd battalion and rejects it. The command has no other option but to send a reserve (3rd battalion) to help the 2nd, instead of developing an attack on point A, together with the 1st.
              As a result, the operation failed, the goals were not met ... And the blame lies with the commander of the 2nd battalion.
  2. bya965
    bya965 30 November 2013 09: 31
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    The interpretation of the Battle of Stalingrad is largely the same as
    Alexey Isaev Unknown Stalingrad. How to distort the story
    can be taken from here http://lib.rus.ec/b/438665/read
    And it is time for the city on the Volga to return its main name.
  3. LION
    LION 30 November 2013 10: 13
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    My city does not need to return the name, the leaders are sane. For ten years, Volgograd has been brought to the "handle". It seems that the governor and the "leadership" of the mayor's office are Paulus's relatives and take revenge (no kidding)
    1. family tree
      family tree 1 December 2013 02: 19
      +1
      Quote: LION
      It seems that the governor and the "leadership" of the mayor's office are Paulus's relatives and take revenge (no kidding)

      This, Operation Uranus-2 soldier
      1. STALGRAD76
        STALGRAD76 2 December 2013 10: 34
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        Well, yes "Uran-2" - laughed.
        And for serious LEO I support, the situation in Volgograd and the region. deplorable, enterprises are closing, the city is in debtor, in the anarchy housing and communal services, the city is not well-groomed dirty, there are no roads, the city has a private sector even in the center, by the 18 championship they will probably close with plywood or banners ....
        I do not support the author's epilogue "why are they gloomy",
        - there are no prospects for development in Volgograd, for entrepreneurs, rent, electricity, connection to networks are all terribly expensive,
        - for residents, when you pay 3t.r. for a communal apartment and for this in the entrance and in front of the house, there is filth and dirt, there are no lawns, and the directors of the management team take money and run down the hill, and then some "especially gifted" TV sets offer to pay people in advance belay ,
        gloomy in my opinion, because they are preoccupied with raising means of subsistence, and around the dirt and in their heads too .....
    2. Docent1984
      Docent1984 2 December 2013 17: 31
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      Soon, at such a pace, our current leaders, or rather, "inactive", will surpass the Wehrmacht in the degree of destruction ... Every day I drive along the Dorozhnikov passage - sometimes it seems that the Wehrmacht is holding onto the 3 longitudinal defense and the artillery is working along the road, not otherwise)) )
  4. 222222
    222222 30 November 2013 11: 24
    +5
    By the excessive efforts of the moderators, the forums of Starikov's site have withered away. The "violent" ones have probably been banned. And without dissent, the forums turn into a calm swamp, covered with mud, where the same frogs croak, repeating the same motives every day ... Look how the number of comments has catastrophically dropped - before it reached 1000, Now it barely gets to a hundred
    http://nstarikov.ru/
    But his articles and speeches remain interesting, relevant, and clarify many questions of history and politics at the present stage.
    For which I thank you very much ...
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  6. family tree
    family tree 30 November 2013 11: 51
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    Stalingrad became not only a symbol of the Wehrmacht's military catastrophe, it marked a colossal demolition of the mentality of the German military and civil society.

    There is no god in Stalingrad.
    In vain we have been going here for so long.
    This devil's Volga
    So much trouble has brought us.
    We searched between the ruins
    Between the decayed teeth of the ruins
    Only the city, all wounded
    We were given one answer.

    There is no god in Stalingrad.
    Only fire and machine guns
    Only Russian infantry
    And rocket launchers dim light.
    Lied buckles on belts.
    Truth is death and wounds
    The roar of the "Stalinist organs"
    And lasting fear.

    There is no god in Stalingrad
    Do not enter his halls.
    Frostbitten legs
    Do not carry a thin skeleton.
    No, no matter how you twist it.
    Only hunger, dirt and decay,
    Only death and only captivity.
    There is no turning back.

    We now have to answer.
    To the slaughter of the false prophet
    They walked and perished before the deadline.
    There is no god in Stalingrad.
    3jcon
  7. Katsin1
    Katsin1 30 November 2013 12: 00
    -29 qualifying.
    The talented writer Astafyev said very well about Zhukov: "Poacher of the Russian people." You can't say better
    1. family tree
      family tree 30 November 2013 12: 32
      +5
      Quote: Katsin1
      The talented writer Astafyev said very well about Zhukov: "Poacher of the Russian people." You can't say better

      Read at your leisure http://7iskusstv.com/2011/Nomer3/Degen1.php
      This is about Astafyev. Your fellow countryman, by the way, like 3jcon.
    2. 222222
      222222 30 November 2013 12: 42
      12
      Katsin1 Israel Today, 12:00 PM New
      "You can't put it better .."

      Years - two or three years ago on May 9 - I leave the entrance - there is a grandfather - tall, strong and all in orders. So under 80 years ... He recently moved into our entrance of the house .. He came up, congratulated him on Victory Day. And that old man said: "I was the driver of Marshal Zhukov during the war for some time." And the eyes just shine with kindness and life. And with what indescribable enthusiasm he spoke about the Marshal. It was necessary to see ... And you say Astafyev ...
      From the infantry soldier Ivanov Ivan Ivanovich to the generalissimo And In Stalin, each carried his strap in the war. And thank them so much that we were born and live on this earth ..
    3. smile
      smile 30 November 2013 14: 43
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      Katsin1
      Literally all veterans hate Astafyev ... about like Vlasovites ... do you think that all veterans are bad or the comrade Astafyev is a vile liar ... along with yet another patented liar - the liar?

      In principle, there are enough liars besides them, which Zhukov is watered with mud, obviously false - a reason, for example ...
      Are you a fan of these "historians"?
      If so, that says a lot about your knowledge, and mental abilities ... and given the fact that the vast majority of such russophobic liars, your preferences are also quite characteristic of your attitude towards all of us.
      Well, they would go to their like-minded people on Nazi, Bandera sites, there are full of your like-minded people. They would have loved your identification marks, and you would have been more comfortable with them than with us. bad ... :)))
      1. Katsin1
        Katsin1 30 November 2013 16: 43
        -13 qualifying.
        Here you are wrong. Astafiev is a front-line soldier, a Russophile and an anti-Semite (for some reason, a Russophile and an anti-Semite always coincide). And precisely as a patriot of the Russian people, he hates Zhukov as the executioner of the Russian people. "Do not spare the soldier, women are still giving birth" - this is from Zhukov's order.
        1. family tree
          family tree 30 November 2013 17: 06
          +8
          Quote: Katsin1
          "Do not spare the soldier, women are still giving birth" - this is from Zhukov's order.

          DIRECTIVE OF THE MILITARY COUNCIL OF THE WESTERN FRONT
          TO THE COMMANDER OF THE 49TH ARMY, TO COMMANDERS 5, 133 AND 238
          ARROW DIVISIONS ABOUT THE DEFECTS OF THE ORGANIZATION
          AND LEADERSHIP OFFENSES ON PREPARED DEFENSE
          AN OPPONENT IN SETTLEMENTS
          January 27, 1942 05.00
          Failure to fulfill the tasks of the 49th Army, heavy personnel losses are explained by the exceptional personal guilt of the division commanders, who are still grossly violating Comrade Stalin’s instructions and [requirement] of the front’s order to mass artillery for a breakthrough, tactics and techniques of attacking the defense in settlements . Parts of the 49th Army for many days
          criminally conducting frontal attacks on the settlements of Kostino, Ostrozhnoe, Bogdanovo, Potapovo and, having suffered huge losses, have no success.
          It should be clear to every elementary military literate person that the above villages represent a very advantageous and warm defensive position. The area in front of the villages is under full shelling and, despite this, criminally conducted attacks continue at the same place, and as a result of the stupidity and indiscipline of the unfortunate organizers, people pay with their thousands of lives, without bringing any benefit to the Homeland.
          If you want to be left in your posts, I demand:
          1. Stop criminal attacks in the forehead of the village;
          2. Stop forehead attacks at heights with good fire;
          3. Advance only in ravines, forests, and poorly shelled areas;
          4. Immediately break through between the settlements and, not stopping at their final possession, tomorrow capture Sloboda, Dawn
          and wedge to Levshino.

          Report to me by 24.00 27.1.
          Zhukov Ukrainians
          GOLUSHKEVICH
          27.1.42.
          5.00
          TsAMO, f. 208, op. 2511, d.1085, l. 78. The original.

          Order March 15, 1942
          ....
          In the armies of the Western Front, a completely unacceptable attitude towards the preservation of personnel has recently been created. Commanders, commanders of formations and units, organizing a battle, sending people to carry out combat missions, not adequately approaching the preservation of soldiers and commanders, the Headquarters has recently replenished the Western Front 2-3 times more than other fronts, but this replenishment is negligible, sometimes the criminal attitude of unit commanders toward saving people's lives and health is unacceptably quickly lost and units again remain in a small lack of space.
          .
          A particularly bad attitude towards saving people exists in the 50th, 10th armies ...
          ....
          Burn with a hot iron irresponsible attitude towards saving people, no matter who it comes from.
          ....

          Zhukov
          TsAMO, f. 208, op. 2513, d. 209, l. 142.
          1. family tree
            family tree 30 November 2013 17: 09
            +3
            March 30 1942

            The Headquarters of the Supreme High Command and the Military Council of the front receive numerous letters from the Red Army soldiers, commanders and political workers, testifying to the criminally negligent attitude towards saving the lives of the Red Army infantry.

            In letters and stories, hundreds of examples are cited when the commanders of units and formations destroy hundreds and thousands of people in attacks on the enemy’s undefeated defenses and machine guns that have not been destroyed, on unsuppressed strongholds, and in a poorly prepared offensive.

            These complaints are certainly fair and reflect only a fraction of the existing frivolous attitude towards saving deposits.

            I demand:

            1. Every abnormal loss of people in 24 hours, thoroughly investigate and immediately make a decision, according to the results of the investigation, reporting to the higher headquarters. Commanders who have criminally thrown parts at an unsuppressed enemy fire system should be brought to the strictest responsibility and assigned to a lower position.

            2. Before an infantry attack, the enemy’s fire system must be suppressed and neutralized, for which each commander who organizes the attack must have a carefully designed plan to destroy the enemy with fire and attack. Such a plan must be approved by the senior commander, which at the same time must serve as the control of the senior commander.

            3. To report on the losses to make a personal explanation on the merits of the losses, who is responsible for the abnormal losses, what measures have been taken against the perpetrators and to prevent them in the future.

            TsAMO, f. 353, on. 5879, d. 74, l. 320.
        2. 222222
          222222 30 November 2013 17: 26
          +7
          Katsin1 Israel Today, 16:43 ↑
          "" Do not regret the soldier, women still give birth "- this is from Zhukov's order."
          For the first time I see an uneducated person from Israel ... or ..for Shekel and the agora .. ???
          "In fact, this phrase came to Russia from England.
          In the English navy there was a tradition, when a warship was sunk (in battle), the captain or senior officer would say the ritual phrase: "The king has a lot!"
          How did the phrase get into Russia and come into use?
          She got it thanks to this person: "....
          read further about this expression ..
          http://samlib.ru/t/tonina_o_i/romanov-400-99.shtml
        3. smile
          smile 30 November 2013 17: 53
          +4
          Katsin1
          I hope in my phrase "for some reason a Russophile and an anti-Semite always coincide" you are mistaken - it rarely coincides. And if you are not mistaken. So, forgive me, you deliberately lie - then you can safely be attributed to Russophobes.
          Moreover, all Russophobia, without exception, starting from the Nazis, Bandera, the Baltic underprivileges, Polish revenge-seekers. other nationalists in the former republics and our liberals. You have a great digging. Brothers in spirit, huh? :)))) Congratulations to you with worthy like-minded people - a special hello to Baba Lera and your Nazi brothers ... :))))

          I am a Russophile, give an example of my anti-Semitism, please.

          The fact that the phrase "women are still giving birth" belongs to Zhukov - a long debunked tale, which serious people perceive with disgust. Even the source of this lie has been established. I'm even too lazy to prove it to you - just type in a search engine - "who came up with the phrase ....." and you will find everything - among the mass of stupid lies you will find reliable information with names and surnames - you can easily distinguish it. Although ... even the thoroughly punched oligophrenics-liberals did not say that Zhukov stated this phrase in the ORDER ... :))) Here you have a unique mess, forgive me ... vague doubts creep in about your rationality ... :)) ))

          And such "patriots" as Astafiev destroyed our country - they were able to do what Napoleon and Hitler could not ... It is not for nothing that all veterans, without exception, despise him in unison.
        4. family tree
          family tree 1 December 2013 01: 06
          +2
          Quote: Katsin1
          for some reason, Russophile and anti-Semite always coincide)

          Followed by a smile, yes Russophile. Since 3jcon at the WoT forum intersected, he is an Israeli police officer. (By the way, tankers and historians. The historical part and modern tank building have nothing to do with the toy, especially for politics, they punish mercilessly there, although some, like me, do not change nicknames).
          Ion degen
          My friend, in deadly agony
          Do not call friends in vain.
          Let me warm my palms better. I
          Over your steaming blood.
          Do not cry, do not groan, you're not small,
          You're not hurt, you're just killed.
          Let me take off your felt boots.
          We still have to advance.
          This T-34 tank platoon commander Twice submitted to the title of Hero of the Soviet Union. The fact that he did not receive it does not bother me; many did not, for various reasons.
          1. family tree
            family tree 1 December 2013 02: 15
            +1
            Damn, what am I talking about. 3jcon- policeman, in Jerusalem, like, as he said, Ion Degen, a national Russian legend already. It is necessary to bring up children on it, Russian children, our tank crews and astronauts are all! wink
        5. Bigriver
          Bigriver 1 December 2013 13: 42
          -1
          Quote: Katsin1
          ... Do not regret the soldier, women still give birth "- this is from Zhukov's order.

          Share a reference to Zhukov’s order?
          No, don’t share it, because it’s a creator of the democratic press.
          But, I will help you anyway laughing
          Type in Google: Michael Weller, the story .., and then insert about the soldiers and women who give birth.
          And about Astafiev ... In order to love or hate something, you need to know something. Writers, on the other hand, do not operate with knowledge, but with feelings, emotions, artistic vision.
        6. Shogun23
          Shogun23 2 December 2013 08: 23
          0
          Quote: Katsin1
          "Do not regret the soldier, women still give birth" - this is from Zhukov’s order.


          Truth? Or maybe Budyonny? Or Brusilova? Or maybe Saltykov, Sheremetyev, Menshikov? So many different options, one more interesting
        7. STALGRAD76
          STALGRAD76 2 December 2013 10: 52
          0
          And how do you comment on this statue.
          The bottom line is that in Volgograd in one square in the center next to the monument to civilians who died during the Battle of Stalingrad, there is a stone telling that "a monument will be erected here in memory of civilians - Jews shot by fascist invaders."
          I do not mind any nation claiming its own history, identity, culture, but at the same time I think that it is unacceptable to single out any nationality ......
          1. Prometey
            Prometey 2 December 2013 12: 17
            0
            Quote: STALGRAD76
            I do not mind any nation claiming its own history, identity, culture, but at the same time I think that it is unacceptable to single out any nationality ......

            I agree with you. Weren't these Jews Soviet citizens at that time? Why can not a monument to Soviet citizens who fell at the hands of the invaders? Why highlight specifically any nation? Or is it on the principle that everyone suffered, but the Jews are a little more? It even becomes disgusting somehow.
        8. demonuga
          demonuga 2 December 2013 12: 36
          0
          Quote: Katsin1
          Do not regret the soldiers, women are still giving birth "- this is from Zhukov's order.

          Didn't Peter I say that? "Take care of the guns, the women will still give birth to the soldiers." I haven’t heard that Zhukov said that.
          My old people used to say: "Where Zhukov is - there is a victory"
    4. lukke
      lukke 30 November 2013 22: 06
      0
      I do not agree. read for the sake of interest the book of Gromov - Zhukov. Documents and links to them are given ... if you remove the lyrics, it is not so simple. Over the past 60 years, it is difficult to make out and establish which of the generals was gentle and kind to the soldiers, but the documents signed by him speak for themselves
      1. family tree
        family tree 30 November 2013 22: 48
        +2
        Quote: lukke
        I do not agree. read for the sake of interest the book of Gromov - Zhukov.

        Zhukov has a "butcher" in absolute losses. Drove:
        In the Berlin offensive operation, Konev commanded the 1st Ukrainian Front, Zhukov - 1st Belorussian Front. During the operation, irretrievable losses:
        1st Ukrainian Front - 27580
        1st Belorussian Front - 37610
        "Butcher", who would doubt it! angry
        Number of troops
        1st Ukrainian Front - 550900
        1st Belorussian Front - 908500
        Oh! what
        relative irretrievable losses:
        1st Ukrainian Front - 5.01%
        1st Belorussian Front - 4.14%
        Konev, "butcher", who would doubt it! angry Will we continue?
        No, I understand that education goes to zero, but, your mother! Lomonosov was not a Jew, and nevertheless learned.
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    6. Technologist
      Technologist 1 December 2013 10: 13
      +2
      If not for Zhukov, your ancestors would surely have a swastika cut out on your ass. Wise guy, damn it ...
    7. nurlangali
      nurlangali 3 December 2013 09: 11
      0
      Quote: Katsin1
      The talented writer Astafyev said very well about Zhukov: "Poacher of the Russian people." You can't say better

      or simply General - "death"
  8. Bagatur
    Bagatur 30 November 2013 12: 13
    +3
    But Paulus did not receive an order to break through and did not give such an order.

    Suvorov said: "A brave soldier, a courageous officer, a courageous general!" Sometimes it was not enough for Paulus to go to the breakthrough in spite of the instructions of the corporal Hitler and save what he could from his army. Whether it's udatsa ... we can't know, but if a more decisive commander stood at the head of 6 A, she could have escaped from the Kavkan ... Wasn't the noose so well taut in the first days of encirclement ..
    1. smile
      smile 30 November 2013 14: 50
      +4
      Bagatur
      Perhaps I agree - at the very beginning he probably could have broken through ... but he would have put the entire Hitler group in the Caucasus to the brink of encirclement, and perhaps the breakthrough of his troops would have caused the Germans even more serious defeat.
      Anyway, in hindsight we are all strong - everyone had this - we could have avoided the encirclement of our troops near Kiev in 41, if we had caught on in time.
      1. DimychDV
        DimychDV 30 November 2013 17: 57
        0
        In a clear snowy field west of Stalingrad, this army would have frozen much more truly. In the battle and among the ruins, they somehow warmed up. But Kiev forbade Stalin to surrender, he was convinced that we were obliged to defend the capital of Ukraine at the cost of any losses. Though at low speed, he tried to turn on the meat grinder of the war. It’s just that in the 41st year he did not yet have a proven control system, neither the maneuverability of the retreating armies, nor the responsibility of their commanders. But, probably, we lost far more troops there than the Germans lost, including tens of thousands captured. But Stalin demanded to retreat, snapping, otherwise they would have been dragged to the Urals.
  9. NKVD
    NKVD 30 November 2013 14: 44
    +7
    Just the Great Patriotic War veterans who really fought never spoke badly about either Stalin or the commanders. They started talking about the blockage of corpses in the wake of perestroika when democracy began to be associated with permissiveness. I have not met
  10. Taoist
    Taoist 30 November 2013 14: 49
    12
    It is not paradoxical, but the Germans are making the most honest words and the most honest films about Stalingrad. Stalingrad is still shrouded in their eyes with a semi-mystical halo of retaliation. Not a single battle in world history before Stalingrad was so fierce and irrational. It was in Stalingrad that the Germans realized that only death awaited them in Russia.
  11. Walking
    Walking 30 November 2013 15: 40
    +2
    Filled with corpses? If this were the Germans would surely take advantage of this for their propaganda, they would have had a lot of cameras in their troops. However, there is not a single photograph on this subject, so leave these speculations to yourself.
  12. Orang
    Orang 30 November 2013 16: 24
    +2
    The illustration for the article is beautiful, the verses in the comment perepilka too.
  13. bairat
    bairat 30 November 2013 18: 07
    0
    I will add to the article that the loss of Stalingrad was not terrible in itself, but the terrible thing is that after its capture the Germans untied their hands in the direction of the next blows. In fact, our leadership was probably ready for any sacrifice if only to keep and destroy the German tank divisions in the vicinity of Stalingrad, the Volga did not give the Germans maneuver to encircle the city and they had to storm the city head on. When the direction of the attack is known there, it is possible to concentrate artillery and build a strong defense, in all other cases the Germans found a weak spot in the defense and broke through it into a strategic breakthrough, there was nothing to catch the tip of the attack in 1942: tank corps were already lost and tank armies not yet created.
  14. bairat
    bairat 30 November 2013 18: 07
    +1
    I will add to the article that the loss of Stalingrad was not terrible in itself, but the terrible thing is that after its capture the Germans untied their hands in the direction of the next blows. In fact, our leadership was probably ready for any sacrifice if only to keep and destroy the German tank divisions in the vicinity of Stalingrad, the Volga did not give the Germans maneuver to encircle the city and they had to storm the city head on.
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  16. drop
    drop 30 November 2013 19: 34
    10
    After reading the materials of the article and comments on it, I can express my opinion briefly. I think it will be interesting for readers of VO. Getting acquainted with the documents of the defense of Leningrad, I can note. What if I.V. Stalin would not have sent to the city of G, K. Zhukov for only three weeks, the city would have been surrendered to the enemy. On the Neva, along the fairway of the sea channel, KBF ships were already placed for flooding. Zhukov corrected what the great commander and strategist could do in three weeks. The fleet defended, fleet artillery destroyed tank groups with precise fire with an accuracy of 40 meters at a distance of 25 km, reinforced forts, etc. I published several articles on this subject (according to documents) in VO. Therefore, treat this military leader with respect. We owe him life.
    1. George
      George 30 November 2013 21: 00
      +1
      Quote: Drop
      Therefore, treat this military leader with respect. We owe him life.

      I support Yuri Grigoryevich.
      1. drop
        drop 30 November 2013 21: 11
        0
        Yuri, thank you for your support. If you find time, please read my article in "VO" Order: "Stop the enemy with a platinum explosion." It was prepared on the basis of documentary data and facts. Your opinion is interesting. I have the honor.
      2. drop
        drop 30 November 2013 21: 11
        0
        Yuri, thank you for your support. If you find time, please read my article in "VO" Order: "Stop the enemy with a platinum explosion." It was prepared on the basis of documentary data and facts. Your opinion is interesting. I have the honor.
  17. pensioner
    pensioner 30 November 2013 20: 06
    +4
    I do not understand: why is Stalingrad still bearing some faceless name ?? In the end, the Battle of Stalingrad is a fact of history. Why has so far not formed a social movement for the return of the historical name to Stalingrad ?? Yes, take on this business !! Officers !! The people will support unconditionally!
    1. Taoist
      Taoist 30 November 2013 21: 28
      +2
      There is movement, and signatures were collected ... they even struck the moment that, at least for the holidays, the city officially returns its name. But in fact, this is not the only point. The name is just a symbol - the main thing is that all the same our children do not lose their "sense of belonging" - otherwise no renaming will help.
      1. Tartary
        Tartary 1 December 2013 17: 15
        0
        T-34 in Stalingrad!

        Rushing, judging by the flickering of trees, kilometers, so this is 50 tons per hour ... good
    2. bublic82009
      bublic82009 30 November 2013 21: 29
      0
      there is movement. the question is different. Now this question is not profitable to raise. apparently time has not come yet to launder the name of Stalin.
  18. bublic82009
    bublic82009 30 November 2013 21: 28
    0
    good analytical article. but when it comes to the Second World War - the mountains of corpses from the USSR. Now they remember World War I and somehow they are silent about mountains of corpses.
    in general, history is such a tricky science. speaking of some events, they always forget about other events occurring at the same time. and what other battles were at other theaters of operations? evacuated plants only began to produce weapons and ammunition. so the article is analytically not very bad. helps to understand why we won.
  19. Amfitsion
    Amfitsion 30 November 2013 22: 16
    0
    The author quite typically rearranges the "inconvenient" moments by 180 degrees. Why was only one Panzer Corps involved in the attack?
    In Isaev's "Truth and Myths about Stalingrad" we see not only the 7th TC, which had 169 tanks, but also the 16th TC (104 tanks) and the 4th TC (36 tanks).
    These are corps attached directly to the 1st Guards A. 24th A. and 66th A. And by the second strike, by September 18, in the 1st Guards A. There were 340 tanks.
    And when they write about the distraction, they usually mean the shackling of more enemy forces with their smaller ones. but here it turns out that almost a quarter of a million conscientious soldiers (in 1st Guards A - 123 people, in 882-A. 24 people; plus the 54th Army) are opposed by five German divisions. ... The Germans have 500th tank, 66rd and 16th motorized, 3th and 60th infantry) - these 76 divisions in an "open field" opposed three Soviet armies, which had 305 tank corps and 5 guns and mortars on kilometer of the front in the direction of the main attack. In short, the author, with a "patriotic flair", briefly retelled Isaev, placing "necessary" accents on his own ...
    Reality, in fact, is much more tragic and "not more patriotic", because:
    1. family tree
      family tree 1 December 2013 02: 39
      +1
      Quote: Amphitious
      these 5 divisions in an "open field" opposed three Soviet armies,

      To begin with, we scratch the composition of the German division and the Red Army (There wasn’t the Soviet Army).
      for example: tank brigade (three-battalion squad) of the Red Army - 91 tank
      Tank battalion of the Wehrmacht-81 tank
      The self-propelled regiment, as many as 21 vehicles to the maximum, also clashed with German battalions.
      How with a template?
    2. Bigriver
      Bigriver 1 December 2013 14: 27
      0
      Quote: Amphitious
      these 5 divisions in an "open field" opposed three Soviet armieshaving 3 tank corps and 260 guns and mortars per kilometer of front in the direction of the main attack ...

      5 German divisions in an "open field" with long-term defense, support of RGK artillery and tanks.
      Acted on our side strike group from divisions of three armies. In total - 17 divisions. Of these, 7 fresh ones (66th Zhadov) in the rest, according to the testimony of Rokossovsky himself, were according to the battalion of combat personnel ...
      There were 3 tank brigades.
  20. Amfitsion
    Amfitsion 30 November 2013 22: 17
    +1
    Report of the Special Division of the NKVD of the Don Front to the Office of Special Divisions of the NKVD of the USSR on the offensive operations of the 66th Army.

    30 1942 October, the

    “Despite the great superiority of our advancing units in people, firepower, tanks, and aircraft, the task set by the Headquarters and the units of the 66th Army were not fulfilled.
    On 26.10.42, the units advanced the largest by 3 km and, having occupied 3-5 lines of German defense, suspended the offensive, having suffered heavy losses in personnel (up to 4–5 thousand each division).
    Front command, in particular: Commander General Rokossovsky, Chief of Staff General Malinin, Deputy Front Commander General Trubnikov, as well as Army Command, in particular: Commander General Zhadov and others, explaining the reasons for the failure at the front and failure to fulfill the task, declare that our the infantry, especially the new divisions, are not trained, cannot fight and are not able to fulfill the assigned task. They express an opinion on the need to stop offensive operations, go on the defensive, and take new divisions to the rear for retraining.
    On October 26.10, the front commander, General Rokossovsky, being at the headquarters of the 66th Army and sharing his impressions of the operation, said: “The new divisions that have arrived have not been prepared for battle at all. Today I will report to Comrade. Stalin, to ask him that the personnel of the newly formed divisions undergo military training for at least a month. ”
    On the same day, General Zhadov, to the question of the head of the Special Division of the 66th Army — why we are not successful, replied: “People are not trained and completely unprepared, many do not know how to use a rifle. Before you fight, you need to train a new division at least a month and prepare. The command staff, both average and senior, tactically illiterate, cannot navigate the terrain and loses control of units in battle. ”
    In the presence of large artillery fire and massive raids by our aircraft, the units are moving very slowly. The enemy’s aviation was not active. The enemy forces in front of the 66th Army are insignificant.
    On October 26.10, the chief of staff of the front, General Malinin, and the deputy commander of the front, General Trubnikov, shared the views on the progress of the offensive in the presence of our operative. To the question of the op-worker — whether the artillery preparation was successfully carried out, how our aircraft operate, whether it suppresses the enemy’s firing points, Trubnikov, with a wave of his hand, replied: “The point here is not aviation, the point is that we do not have infantry, infantry is not fighting, that's the trouble. ”
    Malinin, supporting Trubnikov, said: “The infantry is not rising, we have sufficient artillery preparation, we have so much artillery weapons that we can’t say anything, we have 74 guns per kilometer. In addition, on this site we have 12 mortar regiments. The Germans do not have a damn thing here, the Germans certainly suffer heavy losses from our artillery and mortar fire. On this site, we have undoubted great superiority in everything and superiority in aviation. Enemy aviation these days weakly worries us, and our tanks are not bad. The infantry is useless. To give here a well-trained regiment of resolute fighters, this regiment would march to Stalingrad. It's not about artillery. You cannot suppress all firing points. "The artillery does its job, presses the enemy to the ground, but the infantry at this time does not rise and does not go on the offensive."

    http://poteri-sssr.livejournal.com/16819.html
    1. family tree
      family tree 1 December 2013 03: 05
      +2
      “Despite the great superiority of our advancing units in people, firepower, tanks, and aircraft, the task set by the Headquarters and the units of the 66th Army were not fulfilled. Blah blah blah....

      by the name of Kazakevich, who wrote THIS, who is this? not, well, I understand that written documents are fixed in the office should, but still, who is KAZAKEVICH? No title, no position.
      Even for poetry struck, Drunin, of course:
      COMBAT


      When, forgetting the oath, they turned
      In battle, two machine gunners back,
      Two small bullets caught up with them -
      Always shot without a miss battalion commander.

      Guys fell bumping into the ground,
      And he staggered forward.
      For those two, only he will condemn him,
      Who never went on a machine gun.

      Then in the dugout of the regimental headquarters,
      Silently taking the papers from the foreman,
      He wrote a battalion commander to two poor Russian women,
      What ... by the death of the brave their sons fell.

      And hundreds of times I read the letter to people
      In a remote village, a crying mother.
      Who will blame for this lie battalion commander?
      No one dares to condemn him

      From the 41st to Berlin, unlike some ...
      1. Bigriver
        Bigriver 1 December 2013 13: 56
        0
        family tree
        by the name of Kazakevich, who wrote THIS, who is this? not, well, I understand that written documents are fixed in the office should, but still, who is KAZAKEVICH? No title, no position.

        Another interesting winked
        Tov. Amfitsion I did not provoke the essence at the end:
        From the above examples and facts, it follows that The failure of the offensive operation of units of Army 66 is not that infantry soldiers are poorly trained and poorly at war.
        During the offensive, in the army there was not a single case that the soldiers did not comply with the order of the commander - to rise and go on the attack. There was not a single case of mass panic or group flight from the battlefield.
        The main reason for the failure to complete the task is the inability of platoon, company, and battalion commanders correctly navigate the terrain, direct fighters directly in battle, use the firepower of their units in the offensive.
        The reason for this is the poor leadership of units by regiment commanders, divisions, which before the offensive did not explain the entire command structure of the task, lost contact with the unit in the battle, did not correct the shortcomings and errors of the unit commanders, did not render them assistance through their headquarters.
        The command of the army and the front superficially identified the reasons for the failure and also did not take any measures to help the commanders of the units and formations and correct their mistakes on the go.

        The command of the army and the front did not ensure that each commander was assimilated and executed by order of the NPO No. 306 (on new infantry fighting formations and the commander’s place in battle).

        The Military Council was informed of the revealed shortcomings in offensive operations.

        Finally, Zhadov then fought well, with his 5th Guards A.
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  23. wk-083
    wk-083 1 December 2013 00: 22
    0
    Here they are selected parts of the Reich! good
  24. Black
    Black 1 December 2013 00: 46
    0
    Thanks to the author, fellow countryman, especially for the epilogue ...
    And the girls with us are still the most beautiful in Russia !!!
  25. Black
    Black 1 December 2013 00: 46
    0
    Thanks to the author, fellow countryman, especially for the epilogue ...
    And the girls with us are still the most beautiful in Russia !!!
  26. Black
    Black 1 December 2013 00: 57
    -1
    Quote: retired
    Why has so far not formed a social movement for the return of the historical name to Stalingrad ??


    Everything is there ... except for money .... Volgograd region, along the way like a mouse, is a white beggar and proud ... Proud of the governor that taxes were paid to the Center more than anyone else in the district. The ass is naked, but in the bowler hat!
  27. Evkur
    Evkur 1 December 2013 01: 55
    0
    Good article, thanks!
  28. Technologist
    Technologist 1 December 2013 10: 19
    +1
    Quote: Katsin1
    The talented writer Astafyev said very well about Zhukov: "Poacher of the Russian people." You can't say better


    If not for Zhukov, your ancestors would surely have a swastika cut out on your ass. Wise guy, damn it ...
  29. Kagulin
    Kagulin 1 December 2013 10: 44
    +1
    And I will tell you all a terrible secret! So at that time we had no other commanders, there were only the same Zhukovs, Konevs, Rokkosovskys and dozens of others. And they fought as they knew how to fight then in 1942. And their subordinates from officer to soldier fought as they could. And not the way you trepachki offer to fight. Very much played in their computer games.
  30. Kagulin
    Kagulin 1 December 2013 10: 44
    0
    And I will tell you all a terrible secret! So at that time we had no other commanders, there were only the same Zhukovs, Konevs, Rokkosovskys and dozens of others. And they fought as they knew how to fight then in 1942. And their subordinates from officer to soldier fought as they could. And not the way you trepachki offer to fight. Very much played in their computer games.
  31. Amfitsion
    Amfitsion 1 December 2013 12: 10
    0
    Quote: perepilka
    by the name of Kazakevich, who wrote THIS, who is this? not, well, I understand that written documents are fixed in the office should, but still, who is KAZAKEVICH?

    Why are you having a tantrum? Any doubts about the document from the FSB archives?

    Kazakevich V.M. (1908 -?) - in November 1941 - August 1942 Deputy Head of the PA NKVD SOF, in August - October 1942 - DF, in October 1942 - February 1943. - The Central Front, from October 1941, major of state security, from February 1943, colonel of state security.


    Quote: perepilka
    To begin with, we scratch the composition of the German division and the Red Army (There wasn’t the Soviet Army).
    for example: tank brigade (three-battalion squad) of the Red Army - 91 tank
    Tank battalion of the Wehrmacht-81 tank
    The self-propelled regiment, as many as 21 vehicles to the maximum, also clashed with German battalions.
    How with a template?

    You worry about your templates, dear, everything is in order with mine. What nafig 91 tank in the brigade? If there is nothing to say objectively to the facts, isn’t it easier to keep silent sometimes? According to Dörr, already at the exit to the Volga, the Paulus and Goth divisions had a shortage of more than 30% L / S. Let it be known to you that they arrived from Germany not yesterday, and by mid-September they had not climbed out of constant battles for two months already. But our divisions were very fresh, from the reserve rates of profit or replenished already at the place, just before the offensive. Let it be known to you that in the year 1942 our Active Army received an astronomical figure of 11 replenishment, these are those who directly went to the front.
    http://vif2ne.ru/nvk/forum/arhprint/2447327
    In the 42nd year, the Germans deployed about 1,8 million soldiers and officers to the Eastern Front. It turns out that against each German soldier we put 7 of our own.
    In the 42nd year, we made a tank with about 30 cars, including Lend-Lease. The Germans - less than 000 thousand, of which about 6 went to Africa in the 1000nd year. The remainder is 42 thousand. In other words, for each German tank we rolled out 5 of our own. In aviation, the gap is even greater.
    So you grimace and try to "pull an owl on the globe? Will you be able to prove the German numerical superiority in people and technology, or what?"
    What did you say about the template there?
  32. -Patriot-
    -Patriot- 1 December 2013 22: 59
    0
    A fairly competent article, not for fans of Hollywood mountains of corpses of Russian soldiers))))))
  33. motorized rifle
    motorized rifle 2 December 2013 02: 06
    0
    Astafi fans, the law of military statistics. Read and understand, there is no policy.

    Irreversible combat losses in the wars of the XIX and XX centuries (before the Second World War)

    Np / p


    War


    Winning side


    Number of participants, thousand people


    Irreversible combat losses, thousand people


    Relative losses expressed

    in% of the number of participants in the war)


    The excess of the relative losses of the defeated side over the relative losses of the winning side

    Winning side


    Defeated side


    Winning side


    Defeated side


    Winning side


    Defeated side

    1


    World War II, 1812


    Russia


    400


    400-600


    100


    270-500


    25%


    67-83%


    2,7-3,3 times

    2


    Napoleonic Wars, 1802-1815


    European coalition


    More 4500


    3200


    1500


    2000


    Less than 33%


    47%


    more than 1,4 times

    3


    Russian-Persian war, 1826-1828


    Russia


    30-40


    60-70


    -2


    -10 qualifying.


    5-7%


    14-17%


    2-3,4 times

    4


    Russian-Turkish war, 1828-1829


    Russia


    200-250


    200-250


    80-90


    140-160


    32-45%


    56-80%


    1,3-2,5 times

    5


    Crimean War, 1853-1856


    England France Turkey

    Sardinia


    550-600


    325-400


    150-165


    140-150


    25-30%


    35-46%


    1,2-1,8 times

    6


    Austro-Prussian War, 1866


    Prussia


    437


    407


    9-11


    30-43


    2-2,5%


    7,4-10,5%


    3-5,2 times

    7


    Franco-Prussian War, 1870-1871


    Prussia


    1100


    2000


    40-50


    730-740


    3,6-4,5%


    36,5-37%


    8, 1-10,3 times

    8


    Russian-Turkish war, 1877-1878


    Russia


    700-800


    500-600


    100-110


    180-200


    12,5-15,7%


    30-40%


    1,9-3,2 times

    9
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    Russo-Japanese War, 1904-1905


    Japan


    900-1000


    800-900


    80-90


    100-110


    8-10%


    11-13,7%


    1,1-1,7 times

    10


    World War I, 1914-1918


    Entente


    42200-44500


    22850-25600


    8500-9000


    7000-7500


    19-21%


    27-33%


    1,3-1,7 times

    11


    Greek-Turkish war, 1919-1922


    Turkey


    110


    120


    12


    75


    11%


    62,5%


    in 5,6 times

    12


    The Italo-Abyssinian War, 1935-1936


    Italy


    365


    500-600


    4,5


    > 100


    1,3%


    > 16,7%


    more than 13 times

    13


    Soviet-Finnish War, 1939-1940


    the USSR


    1300


    200-300


    125-135


    50-85


    3,8-10,4%


    16,7-47,5%


    1,6-12,5 times

    This law — let us call it the law of relative losses — can be formulated as follows: in any war, the victory goes to the army with less relative losses.

    Note that the absolute numbers of irretrievable losses for the winning side can be either less (World War 1812, Russian-Turkish, Franco-Prussian wars), or more than the defeated side (Crimean, World War I, Soviet-Finnish) , but the relative loss of the winner is always less than that of the loser.

    The difference between the relative losses of the winner and the loser characterizes the degree of convincing victory. Wars with close values ​​of the relative losses of the parties end with peace treaties with the existing political system and the army remaining in the vanquished side (for example, the Russo-Japanese War). In wars ending, like the Great Patriotic War, with the complete surrender of the enemy (Napoleonic wars, Franco-Prussian war of 1870-1871), the relative losses of the winner are significantly less than the relative losses of the defeated (no less than 30% - see table 7) . In other words, the greater the loss, the greater must be the size of the army in order to win a landslide victory. If the loss of the army is 2 times greater than that of the enemy, then to win the war, its strength should be at least 2,6 times the strength of the opposing army.
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    9


    Russo-Japanese War, 1904-1905


    Japan


    900-1000


    800-900


    80-90


    100-110


    8-10%


    11-13,7%


    1,1-1,7 times

    10


    World War I, 1914-1918


    Entente


    42200-44500


    22850-25600


    8500-9000


    7000-7500


    19-21%


    27-33%


    1,3-1,7 times

    11


    Greek-Turkish war, 1919-1922


    Turkey


    110


    120


    12


    75


    11%


    62,5%


    in 5,6 times

    12


    The Italo-Abyssinian War, 1935-1936


    Italy


    365


    500-600


    4,5


    > 100


    1,3%


    > 16,7%


    more than 13 times

    13


    Soviet-Finnish War, 1939-1940


    the USSR


    1300


    200-300


    125-135


    50-85


    3,8-10,4%


    16,7-47,5%


    1,6-12,5 times

    This law — let us call it the law of relative losses — can be formulated as follows: in any war, the victory goes to the army with less relative losses.

    Note that the absolute numbers of irretrievable losses for the winning side can be either less (World War 1812, Russian-Turkish, Franco-Prussian wars), or more than the defeated side (Crimean, World War I, Soviet-Finnish) , but the relative loss of the winner is always less than that of the loser.

    The difference between the relative losses of the winner and the loser characterizes the degree of convincing victory. Wars with close values ​​of the relative losses of the parties (see Table 7) end with peace treaties while maintaining the victorious side of the existing political system and army (for example, the Russo-Japanese war). In wars ending, like the Great Patriotic War, with the complete surrender of the enemy (Napoleonic wars, Franco-Prussian war of 1870-1871), the relative losses of the winner are significantly less than the relative losses of the defeated (no less than 30% - see table 7) . In other words, the greater the loss, the greater must be the size of the army in order to win a landslide victory. If the loss of the army is 2 times greater than that of the enemy, then to win the war, its strength should be at least 2,6 times the strength of the opposing army.
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    Prometey 2 December 2013 12: 23
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    But interestingly, such breakthroughs and "boilers" during the Second World War were created thanks to the impact of mechanized units. And if the Soviet infantry were armed with RPGs, could the Wehrmacht achieve at least half of its successes as in 1941 and 1942? (well, the reasoning is just from the field of science fiction).
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