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Where Gaidar walked

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Where Gaidar walked
In Moscow, erected a monument to Yegor Gaidar. One more. The previous one was installed in one of the buildings of the Higher School of Economics on Pokrovsky Boulevard in 2010. At the same time, the Decree on perpetuation of Gaidar’s memory was signed by Dmitry Medvedev, being the president of Russia, and never hid his love for the late reformer. And Medvedev established a Gaidar scholarship, his name was the Moscow school 1301 with in-depth study of the economy ...



Gaidar is adored by liberals on both sides of the border. Abroad, it is regularly published in large editions and is considered one of the most prominent people in Russia. Naturally, the Russia that they would like to see. In Russia, Gaidar hates at least half of the population. The youth is in the other half, Gaydarovsky’s reign is not found and most of them do not know who it is ...

As you know, the founder of the Gaidar dynasty, and at the same time the name that emerged from the pseudonym was the children's writer Arkady Gaidar. In his youth, he was obsessed with the "red" idea and shed a lot of blood for it. His grandson seems to be from another test. Even superficially: grandfather - lean, in a fur cap, with a spark in his eyes; grandson - a typical representative of the Soviet nomenklatura youth, during the period of the expansion of the USSR, became ill with the dream of freedom and sausage. Grandfather was ready to ruin a privileged minority in order to give everything to the majority. The grandson did the exact opposite, strikingly recalling (including externally) Gaidar's “bad boy-Plokhish”, who sold the Motherland to the “damned burzhuinam” Homeland for “a jar of jam and a basket of cookies”.

But both Gaidars have something in common - the belief in the beneficence of revolutionary transformations, in the destruction of the familiar world “to the ground”, followed by the construction of an earthly paradise on its ruins. And also - justification for the sake of this great goal of any sacrifices and sufferings of the people.

Do not represent Yegor Timurovich pathological villain or hired traitor. He was just a man with an absolutely Western world perception and absolutely “economic-centric” thinking. Like all of our liberals, he was a retrained Marxist who piously believed that “being determines consciousness” - that is, everything that a person has in his head depends entirely on the nature of production and consumption. And he firmly believed in the uniqueness of the path of Western civilization, confirmation of the correctness of this path his armchair thinking found in the usual juxtaposition of numbers. Gaidar was convinced that it was worth redoing the “wrong” economy, distributing property into private hands, removing state control and planning as much as possible, as the “invisible hand of the market” would arrange everything for itself.

At the same time, Gaidar and Gaydarovsky did not conceal that the taking away, under the pretext of "privatization" of the public property created by the work of several generations, into private pockets had a purely political goal: to create a support for the Yeltsin regime in the person of the class of large owners. Yes, Gaidar’s talk about freedom and democracy too. But only to the extent that the new political system allowed the class of new owners to provide maximum economic freedom, including freedom from any social obligations to the country and society. When democracy began to interfere with their plans, the Yeltsin team with an unwavering hand abolished the Constitution, shot the parliament and dispersed all democratically elected authorities ...

If someone doubts that this is exactly how it was, let him listen to the testimony of economic consultant Gaidar Jeffrey Sachs: “The main thing that let us down is a huge gap between the reformers' rhetoric and their real actions ... And, I think, the Russian leadership has surpassed the most Marxists' fantastic ideas about capitalism: they considered that it was the state’s business to serve a narrow circle of capitalists by pumping as much money as possible into their pockets and quickly. This is not a shock therapy. This is a malicious, premeditated, well-thought-out action, which has as its goal a large-scale redistribution of wealth in the interests of a narrow circle of people. ”

However, it was not only about changing the economy, political system and forms of ownership. The goal was to change the inner essence, the self-consciousness of the people, reconfiguring it to fundamentally different values ​​and attitudes. For all Russian culture has taught that man is not a rational animal, but the image of God, that his vital needs are not reduced to a stomach, lust, the desire to “devour your neighbor” and a thirst for pleasure. Or, to call these things their liberal notations, to “the constant increase in the level of consumption,” “sexuality,” “success,” and “hedonism.” The liberals understood this very well, and that is why during the times of Gaidar they said that “our reforms are correct, and the people are wrong”. But in such a situation there are only two ways out: either change the project or change the people. To change the project meant for Yeltsin’s team to lose power. Therefore, people began to replace.

This was done in two ways. First, on the principle of "accept, or die." A person was faced with a choice: either to lose any chance not only to succeed, but to survive in his own country, or to act every day against his own conscience, customary values ​​and understanding of good and evil. It was this similar split personality that caused the hardest spiritual and moral crisis that hit the country, which resulted in almost all of our other crises, including a terrible depression, a wave of drunkenness, drug addiction and suicide.

Secondly, in order to accelerate the process of “replacing the people,” its spiritual and cultural degradation and physical extinction were stimulated by all means. The curtailment of the social obligations of the state was aimed at this; and the commercialization of education, health care and mass sports; and the destruction of the family through "juvenile technology"; and in fact legalized propaganda of debauchery, moral corruption of youth, the utmost destruction of traditional morality and ethics; and making culture an entertainment industry; and many many others.

The liberals, in fact, repeating the theory of Malthus, did not hesitate to argue that "the part of the population that did not fit into the market" (that is, the majority) would become extinct, and this would be correct. Apparently, already at that time another goal was being laid - the gradual replacement of the naturally decreasing “wrong people” by immigrants from other countries, which would automatically turn Russia into a “country of immigrants” (modeled on the US), ready to accept any ideas and any project. in exchange for the only right to live here ...

Understanding all this, I will not carry flowers to the monument to Gaidar. But I will not call upon him to demolish it, as the monument to Dzerzhinsky was once demolished. For the enemy of Russia is not Gaidar, but the Gaidar region, entrenched in countless variations of HSE, expert councils, liberal media, the economic bloc of the government, and the headquarters of the belolentochnoy opposition. It is with her that it is necessary to fight, and it is with her overcoming that the real revival of the country will begin. And even then ... well, we will bring all the monuments to Gaidar, Yeltsin and others to the museum’s backyard, where the forgotten monuments of Lenin and his associates, the forerunner of 90’s reformers, are now gathering dust on the principle “before the foundation, but then".
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  1. Denis
    Denis 25 November 2013 07: 23
    16
    Did he know?
    He looted, experimented with the company, not himself, people paid for everything
    Now in hell awaits the head with a patch, a brilliant leader
    It would be better if he stepped on ..., it would certainly not be worse
    1. experienced
      experienced 25 November 2013 07: 27
      38
      Judah ... Father is probably in the grave as the propeller spins
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 25 November 2013 07: 51
        38
        Gaidar is a student of Gorbachev, who completed Gorbi, continued Gaidar with EBN. Judas in Russia a hundred years in advance. Especially my letters cultural and film workers, to defend all intruders, such as pusi rait, greenpeace, bolt. All these figures are potential BAD, standing in line for a jar of jam.
        1. APES
          APES 25 November 2013 08: 44
          23
          Quote: Sirocco
          Gaidar is a student of Gorbachev that he did not complete


          it's time to make lists of all students - as I understand it, Medvedev will be the first ...
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 25 November 2013 08: 57
            18
            Quote: APES
            In Moscow, a monument was erected to Yegor Gaidar


            Satanists probably set. In thanks to my teacher
            1. predator.3
              predator.3 25 November 2013 09: 41
              32
              The grandson did the exact opposite, strikingly reminiscent (including outwardly) of the Gaidar "Bad Boy", who sold his "damned bourgeois" homeland for a "barrel of jam and a basket of cookies."


              The family is not without a freak, A.P. Gaidar probably did not even suspect that he was writing about his grandson!
              1. Russ69
                Russ69 25 November 2013 11: 31
                +7
                However, the monument is baptized in the net as a "one-armed bandit". Quite consistent ...
                1. skullcap
                  skullcap 25 November 2013 13: 22
                  +5
                  Quote: Russ69
                  a monument baptized in the net as a "one-armed bandit".

                  Soon it is a monument to a cannibal.
                  Whats about in anticipation of millions and tens of millions of Russian children, killed by his will before birth.
                  Yes, and the place chosen sign - near the school of economic saboteurs.
                2. nov_tech.vrn
                  nov_tech.vrn 25 November 2013 14: 36
                  +4
                  I looked, I liked it, in the east the thief was supposed to chop his hand as he got, well, Yegor Gaidar, apparently he got only once.
              2. S_mirnov
                S_mirnov 25 November 2013 11: 43
                24
                "There was a children's writer Arkady Gaidar. In his youth, he was obsessed with the" red "idea and shed a lot of blood for it." - ek author, disgustingly breasts. Type equates a freak grandson and a heroic grandfather "But both Gaidars have something in common - belief in the beneficialness of revolutionary transformations, in the destruction of the familiar world" to the ground. "
                But in reality it was like that.

                "During the Great Patriotic War, Gaidar was in the army, as a correspondent for Komsomolskaya Pravda. He wrote military essays" At the crossing "," The bridge "," At the front edge "," Rockets and grenades. "After the encirclement in September 1941 Arkady Petrovich Gaidar was assigned to Gorelov's partisan detachment of the Southwestern Front in the Uman-Kiev region, where he was a machine gunner.

                It is not clear to me why the author does not distinguish one Gaidar from another. Is this an attempt to mix values ​​in the minds of readers, to disorient them?
                A monument to the wrong Gaidar was erected, that's for sure! Here is direct evidence of who is now in power in the Russian Federation, they clearly indicated who the hero is for them!
                1. Astrey
                  Astrey 25 November 2013 12: 14
                  0
                  S_mirnov, you look into pedovikiya. Luxury biography. Participation in the suppression of the anti-Soviet movement - the apogee of the Gaidar region. Granddaughter could not.

                  "With the appearance of an 18-year-old commander among the Chonovtsy, cases of cruel treatment of the Khakass population have become more frequent. Confiscations (looting) and executions (beatings and flogging) have been carried out by the inhabitants of the Barbakov, Podkamen, Balakhta, Sulekov, Bolshoi Aryshtaev, Maly Kobezhikov and mining villages."

                  “The methods of the young commander soon aroused discontent on the part of both the population and the local authorities. Golikov did not burden himself with formalities, beatings and even executions were carried out by him more than once“ on suspicion ”of cooperation with the gang. Confiscations took place in accordance with the needs of the detachment and were perceived by the population as robbery. Recruitment was also carried out with the help of beatings and under the threat of execution "

                  A bullseye from an apple tree, you know, will not fly up.
                2. nov_tech.vrn
                  nov_tech.vrn 25 November 2013 14: 46
                  +4
                  the monument was erected as usual by their favorite foundation, about this in news feeds they do not mention, to believe in the gratitude of the people and support for the authorities, although Dimon is of course due for the Gaidar scholarship, the scholarship is "a potential traitor of the nation and an enemy of the people", how is it interesting to choose?
                  1. Pilat2009
                    Pilat2009 25 November 2013 17: 04
                    0
                    Quote: nov_tech.vrn
                    the monument was erected as usual by their favorite foundation

                    That bish heirs-students, of which still wazoo
              3. Astrey
                Astrey 25 November 2013 12: 03
                0
                A.P. - He received his sight after the Khakass genocides. That's why he went to children's writers.

                And the granddaughter continued to genocide, but on a large scale and not personally, but through "economic reforms."
                1. teleset
                  teleset 25 November 2013 13: 39
                  18
                  In Ukraine, they came up with the day of the Holodomor, why don’t we come up with any day for the victims of the Gaidar reform. True after the change of power.
              4. Vlaleks48
                Vlaleks48 25 November 2013 18: 52
                +3
                Yegorushka has nothing to do with the surname Golikov, let alone Gaidar! He is from the "chosen" people and took his surname together with his mother by inheritance.
                And what do you want from the sons of "Zion", love for Russia !? So they hate her fiercely since the death of the "Khazar Kaganate"!
          2. Denis
            Denis 25 November 2013 19: 32
            +1
            Quote: APES
            it's time to make lists of all students - as I understand it, Medvedev will be the first ...
            I have already given a list, but ...

            As in the old joke:
            -And in the back door of shops and bases, Vasily Ivanovich, I put two machine guns so that they would not steal
            -And why two, Petka?
            -One overheats
        2. AVV
          AVV 25 November 2013 10: 34
          18
          The Higher School of Economics, a monument was erected there by chance !!! The former director of the school is an active participant and developer of the swamp adventure. The conclusion is that something went wrong according to the plans of the American side in Russia !!! Associate professors at the School of Economics offer to dismember Russia! The question arises of who is preparing this school of Gaidar’s influence, economists, top managers who will apply their knowledge to promote wetland values ​​??? And in the end, promote the project on the collapse of the country ???
          1. APES
            APES 25 November 2013 11: 23
            +6
            Quote: AVV
            The question is who this school is preparing.


            Everything is much worse.
            there is such a thing - scientific sabotage - what happened - namely, in the Russian economic science (which is taught in all universities) false (destructive) ideas were laid down - by the type of efficiency, profitability, optimization - as a result, a process is launched that, based on these principles ( ideas-doctrines) destroys, and many who do this - are deeply convinced - that they do good.

            I am not talking about MBA at all - they finally finish off - they make them super "effective".
            1. teleset
              teleset 25 November 2013 13: 45
              +1
              Thank God not all teachers teach on the principles of liberals. Here at our institute they directly said that our bills are not quite state ones.
          2. varov14
            varov14 25 November 2013 17: 28
            0
            It seems that we are trying to sabotage all kinds of scientific schools. There was a horror of economists; however, you can cover up this, as unnecessary. Especially swamp adventurers.
            1. APES
              APES 25 November 2013 23: 07
              0
              Quote: varov14
              subtract. Economists


              they’ve already thought about this - Russia will soon need penal battalions ...
        3. Tersky
          Tersky 25 November 2013 12: 17
          11
          Quote: Sirocco
          Gaidar is a student of Gorbachev,

          Rather, on the contrary, this is Gorbachev's student. But in fact, what to guess, then, both "excellent students" of the Brzezinski school .. And here is another follower and adherent of "shock therapy" -16 January 2013 Medvedev proposed to build economic policy according to the covenant of Gaidar
        4. V. Salama
          V. Salama 25 November 2013 14: 09
          +1
          Quote: Sirocco
          Gaidar is a student of Gorbachev, ...
          more precisely, it will be not a student, but the second echelon of Russia's destroyers. In general, no one can learn anything from Gorbachev. This is a stupid cormorant, incapable of calculating the situation and making a decision, speaking in meaningless phrases for two hours - "improve ..., expand ..., these are realities and must, taking them into account, implement a policy ...". And Gaidar, as Chubais admitted, that even while studying at the university, they were morally corrupted by fashionable Western economic theories and cherished the hope of being their implementers in our country. It is clear that this was not without the participation of the Western special services. Both are unholy agents of influence.
        5. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 25 November 2013 14: 23
          +7
          Until now, in spite of any explanations, I can’t understand why the KGB, and today's FSB, SVR, have not fulfilled and are not fulfilling the oath, the Constitution to save the state, because there are honest people there.
          Already in the second half of the 80s (and even now), many ordinary people, not burdened with GB-esh positions, saw that the "leaders" and representatives of the 5th column were deliberately destroying the USSR, and now Russia.
          And the KGB did not track traitors, agents of influence, leading representatives of the 5th column, and did not take "isolating measures" to save the country.
          But then already especially "gifted" enemies of the people, such as Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Gaidar, Chubais, etc., had to be tried and smeared with brilliant green on behalf of the state.
          Indeed, the positive experience of China in rescuing from enemies - representatives of the 5th column was already known to everyone - events in the Tiananmen Square were in 1989.
          The KGB (FSB and SVR) oath was given to the people and the state, not to Gorbachev, Yeltsin or Putin. Why did they not fulfill and still do not fulfill this oath? Here's a question of questions. This is what leads to the establishment of "monuments" to the Jews and the murderers of the people.
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 25 November 2013 15: 01
            +4
            Quote: vladimirZ
            Until now, in spite of any explanations, I can’t understand why the KGB, and today's FSB, SVR, have not fulfilled and are not fulfilling the oath, the Constitution for the Salvation of the State
            Why haven't they fulfilled and still do not fulfill this oath?

            And you try for a second to assume that the Committee not only ensured the demolition of the social system, but was also its initiator - and everything will fall into place immediately.
            1. vladimirZ
              vladimirZ 25 November 2013 16: 22
              +2
              Quote: Yarosvet (6)
              And you try for a second to assume that the Committee not only ensured the demolition of the social system, but was also its initiator - and everything will fall into place immediately.


              Yarosvet, and this does not explain the destruction of the state.
              Even if individual leaders of the KGB initiated the collapse of the USSR, there were, I still hope, honest GB eshniks who saw an objective picture, a healthy part of the Politburo, the Central Committee of the leading party, the army in the end, internal troops, the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
              The direct betrayal of the first person of the state destroyed the USSR. How and why did the traitor, who already had a lot of abuses in his work in the region, be admitted to the leadership of the party, and therefore the state?
              How did the entire state system allow this, especially since the KGB "did not supervise" the party workers?
              Of course, there are many reasons for the collapse of the USSR, including the fact that the GB did not have the right to "develop" party workers.
              So, your reference to the KGB as a root cause, in my opinion, is not entirely true.
              1. V. Salama
                V. Salama 25 November 2013 16: 45
                +2
                Quote: vladimirZ
                ... if individual KGB leaders initiated the collapse of the USSR, then I still hope there were honest GB eshniks who saw an objective picture ...
                One does not contradict the other. At the beginning of 1991. In the VAD them. F.E.Dzerzhinsky, the emissary of EBN arrived, spoke to a general audience - he wrote out the advantages of the market, then he himself came with a bunch of guards - communicated only with the management. I think he bribed, intimidated ... What depended on the rest? The solutions of this conspiracy did not reach them - everyone relied on the loyalty and wisdom of the command. Likewise, the army and the Politburo - it is necessary to come to an agreement with individual figures, and there, according to the principle "a well-organized minority will always crush an amorphous majority."
                Quote: vladimirZ
                Of course, there are many reasons for the collapse of the USSR

                That's right, when something happens there are always several reasons.
                Quote: vladimirZ
                guilt on the KGB, as the root cause, in my opinion is not entirely true.

                This may not be the root cause, but one of the main links in the system of the country's collapse. There is a study on this topic (I have not read it myself yet) Alexander Shevyakin. "The KGB against the USSR. 17 Moments of Treason". Maybe this kitchen is painted there. Believe it by word, though nobody is allowed here, you need to correlate the information with other facts and events in order to assess the reliability.
              2. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 25 November 2013 17: 56
                +2
                Quote: vladimirZ
                Let's think:

                Who brought tagged into power? Andropov.

                What happened before Andropov came to power? A series of strange deaths occurred among Soviet politicians who were hypothetically capable of leading the Union (only the KGB was able to carry out such actions).

                Who is Andropov? The person who headed the Committee, and before that worked in foreign countries (personally, I know only 2 cases when a person who could potentially be recruited became the head of state)

                It was Andropov who managed to get the KGB out of submission to the Council of Ministers.
                It was Andropov who was able to control all the key points of the country through the arrangement of his people.

                In any case, the inaction of the KGB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the prosecutor’s office, the army, the party and the Council of Ministers can be explained only by sabotage by the leadership of the aforementioned structures of their direct functions (the fact that decent employees can be squeezed out or sent away is obvious).

                Add here the psychological aspects necessary for the employees of BP first of all, and everything will turn out.
                After all, power and money do not really spoil a person: it’s just easier to get to power and money by the one who the majority calls scum, since immorality and unprincipledness are a significant competitive advantage.
          2. varov14
            varov14 25 November 2013 17: 45
            0
            "The goal was to change the inner essence, self-consciousness of the people, reconfiguring it to fundamentally different values ​​and attitudes." --- Here is the answer, all these structures are from the same people, and even in power, so that everything is for themselves, dear ones, what to demand from them, like everyone else, have been rebuilt.
      2. vezunchik
        vezunchik 25 November 2013 12: 10
        11
        Monuments to traitors continue to be erected; thieves are not sent to prisons, but to leading posts. And we expect that our rulers will be guided by the interests of society ....
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      3. Simon
        Simon 25 November 2013 13: 55
        +2
        Let this monument be erected, even though the people will not care.
      4. Simon
        Simon 25 November 2013 14: 01
        0
        Let them erect a monument to this idol, although it will not give a damn.
      5. Sharp
        Sharp 25 November 2013 20: 03
        +3
        Picture in the subject.
      6. Cherdak
        Cherdak 25 November 2013 20: 39
        +3
        Quote: seasoned
        Father is probably in the grave as the propeller spins


        Grandfather, he certainly would have torn off the tricks, with all the revolutionary malice. But his father, Timur Gaidar (1926−1999), is a foreign war correspondent for the newspaper Pravda, rear admiral, the son of the famous Soviet writer Arkady Petrovich Gaidar from his first wife Leah Lazarevna of Solomyansk. But we know who determines the relationship by mother!

        And about this ... family there is a joke in the subject:

        The old horseman fell from the horse. Shakes himself off.
        - Old has become - has become.
        I looked - there is nobody around.
        “Ah,” thoughtfully, “and he was young, he was
    2. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 25 November 2013 07: 29
      12
      As in a song, Gaidar steps forward- Susanin damn it. His grandfather would know
      1. APES
        APES 25 November 2013 08: 43
        +1
        Quote: ivshubarin
        His grandfather would know


        I also did not like his grandfather, and the whole family ....
        1. Baron Wrangell
          Baron Wrangell 25 November 2013 10: 02
          +8
          Quote: APES
          I also did not like his grandfather, and the whole family ....

          I wonder why the children do not like it! Arkady Gaidar is a cool writer! and died heroically!
          1. APES
            APES 25 November 2013 11: 29
            0
            Quote: Baron Wrangel
            I wonder why the children do not like it


            "a good tree does not bear bad fruit"
          2. Astrey
            Astrey 25 November 2013 12: 27
            -2
            Quote: Baron Wrangel
            I wonder why the children do not like it!

            In the late 1990s, collecting materials for my book, I found documents confirming the atrocities of the detachment of Arkady Golikov, continues Natalia Olkhova. - I wrote down the stories of grandmothers who remember the Civil War, about how Gaidar shot at the back of his head to anyone whom he suspected of involvement in anti-Soviet activities, how I had pushed women and children off a cliff. According to his decree, local residents were shot without trial, chopped with drafts, thrown into wells.
            Pretty guy.

            Quote: Baron Wrangel
            Gaidar is a cool writer


            A.P. - Czech nonsense from the incorrect Czech language into Russian translated. And the Czechs - having developed a political correct language, did not recall copyright. They restored the language in 1 year, the writings had to be cooked up a lot, there were no complaints.

            The circumstances of the death are somehow variously described. Death can be called martyrdom (or ambush, or reprisal), but not in battle.
            1. Basarev
              Basarev 25 November 2013 13: 06
              +1
              Golikov - not Gaidar! These are completely different people
        2. Russ69
          Russ69 25 November 2013 11: 27
          +2
          Quote: APES
          I didn’t like his grandfather either,

          Probably forced to read at school .... smile
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 25 November 2013 11: 37
            +5
            not ... he is a relative of Mishka Kvakin! laughing
    3. Civil
      Civil 25 November 2013 07: 53
      17
      Truly, after the dismantling of all the achievements of the Revolution, the monument to E. Gaidar looks like a tombstone to all of socialism .... even if it’s a reminder of human stupidity and greed.
      1. Canep
        Canep 25 November 2013 08: 11
        11
        Yo! So they will put a monument to Gorbachev!
        1. ivshubarin
          ivshubarin 25 November 2013 08: 22
          +9
          Well, well, there will be where to go for a little
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 25 November 2013 11: 47
            +3
            yeah !!! on the spot !!! only the ladder would have done right away ... wassat
        2. APES
          APES 25 November 2013 08: 42
          11
          Quote: Canep
          they will put a monument!


          how many signatures do I need to collect to demolish?
          1. Canep
            Canep 25 November 2013 13: 30
            +5
            Quote: APES
            how many signatures do I need to collect to demolish?
            Until the signatures begin to stink for hundreds of meters and SanEpidStation does not cover this sartir.
        3. Very old
          Very old 25 November 2013 08: 43
          +4
          And it’s time for our beloved sukserdyuchka to look for a place for a monument
        4. Vadivak
          Vadivak 25 November 2013 09: 28
          10
          Quote: Canep
          So they will put a monument to Gorbachev!


          You can right now. Buried alive to the waist and everything else silver
          1. smel
            smel 25 November 2013 09: 51
            +2
            Live bury to the waist
            No ... Concrete to the waist and paving with paving tiles. For perpetuation and a bonfire lay out the eternal right next to
            1. ivshubarin
              ivshubarin 25 November 2013 09: 53
              +2
              Fantasy broke out
              1. cosmos111
                cosmos111 25 November 2013 10: 19
                +6
                Understanding all this, I will not carry flowers to the monument to Gaidar.

                I will carry a piece of q ***** in the package.
                But this is not the main thing -, the thing is, the Gaidar lives flourishes, the government of the bear.

                Ulyukaev was appointed head of the Ministry of Economic Development of the Russian Federation.
                Direct extortion from the Gaidar nest.
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 25 November 2013 12: 15
                  +2
                  Quote: cosmos111
                  ,, case ,, Gaidar lives flourishes, the government of the bear.

                  Ulyukaev was appointed head of the Ministry of Economic Development of the Russian Federation.
    4. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka 25 November 2013 10: 13
      -6
      Quote: Denis
      Did he know?
      He looted, experimented with the company, not himself, people paid for everything
      Now in hell awaits the head with a patch, a brilliant leader
      It would be better if he stepped on ..., it would certainly not be worse

      We are all smart afterwards.
      My principle is simple. If a person is never mistaken, then you need to carefully look at whether he is doing at least something.
      The final assessment, probably can be given in thirty years. The economy is an inert thing and the direction of development is set for decades in advance. As the economy is doing more stupid things for me now than they did then. But the first results we will see in ten years. But only the first results.
      1. Jager
        Jager 25 November 2013 11: 51
        +7
        20 years have passed after the Gaidar reforms, the result is a complete collapse of the economy. When they give me a counterargument - so little time has passed, I immediately recall industrialization. From the 21st to the 41st economy of the USSR entered the top five strongest in the world. What has been done from the 93rd to the 2013th? Was industrialization on the bones? And the fact that the population has been declining by almost a million a year over the past 20 years is not genocide, but a natural decline. Ugh, mother %%% ...
        Gaidar’s ashes should, by and large, be exhumed, burned and fired in the direction of the West - let him fly home, traitor.
    5. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 25 November 2013 11: 35
      +2
      I don’t know where I was walking, but I remember how he smacked his lips like .... this ... repeat
      1. alone
        alone 25 November 2013 19: 29
        0
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        I don’t know where I was walking, but I remember how he smacked his lips like .... this ...


        He didn’t walk anywhere. The citizens of the country strode into the economic abyss!
    6. Deniska999
      Deniska999 25 November 2013 16: 14
      0
      Where? Into the abyss!
    7. Deniska999
      Deniska999 25 November 2013 16: 15
      0
      Where? Into the abyss!
    8. River
      River 25 November 2013 16: 30
      0
      He will test the evolution there too. Devils become sick
  2. Edward72
    Edward72 25 November 2013 07: 27
    18
    Only one mention of this reformer, a hand reaches for a carbine.
    1. military
      military 25 November 2013 09: 50
      +4
      Quote: Edward72
      Only one mention of this reformer, a hand reaches for a carbine.

      she reaches for the sapper pad ... am
    2. Very old
      Very old 25 November 2013 11: 05
      +1
      Yes. But I was even banned from injuries
  3. Humpty
    Humpty 25 November 2013 07: 30
    13
    To the sculptor for the monument - thanks. A kind of small bastard-bastard turned out.
    To ask this sculptor Medvedev and Chubais to erect a lifetime monument somewhere at a fork in the road.
    1. Jager
      Jager 25 November 2013 11: 52
      +3
      At the roadside toilet, but you can directly put in it.
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 25 November 2013 07: 32
    +8
    Monuments do not need to be demolished; this is our story and a reminder of our victories, defeats and ERRORS.

    Gaidar Jr. will forever remain in our memory as a liberal destroyer — he did not create anything fruitful and could not create because his ideas of liberalism in themselves carry the seeds of the destruction of society.
    I am more amazed at the cynicism of these people when they declare that part of our population should die in the name of a bright future for democracy - by this they discredited themselves in the eyes of the people forever.
    1. V. Salama
      V. Salama 25 November 2013 15: 05
      0
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      I am more struck by the cynicism of these people when they declare ...
      At one time, there was not a particularly noisy wave of indignation in the media, but it stuck in my memory. Let the advanced ones correct me, if I’m lying - I was not present at the Congress of the Union of Right Forces, I think 2003, where Yegorka soaked the following: "Russia, as a state, has no historical right to exist ...".
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 25 November 2013 17: 13
      0
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      No need to demolish monuments

      Yes, to collect them in one place, like the Roman emperors and on each plate, so that future generations know this USSR created, and these collapsed
      We got EBN. They poured paint over so now the permanent police post is nearby.
  5. bomg.77
    bomg.77 25 November 2013 07: 33
    +7
    Then who is Chubais? Gorbachev? Or Berezovsky and Khodorkovsky? The trend is not good, all the villains are in bronze, but they don’t put normal figures ((After a hundred years, historians will write as the saviors of Russia.
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 25 November 2013 07: 38
      +3
      "Heroes of Our Time". What time, such are the heroes
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 25 November 2013 08: 21
        +3
        Quote: ivshubarin
        "Heroes of Our Time". What time, such are the heroes
        But not our heroes.
        1. slovak007
          slovak007 25 November 2013 18: 59
          +1
          A sensible people cannot be fooled.
          Just remember what you did with the EBN monument in Yekaterinburg.
  6. mak210
    mak210 25 November 2013 07: 36
    17
    God forbid allowing economists to rule. These are people who do not know how, their task is to count other people's money. Here the opportunity appeared to appropriate them. And they took advantage of it. Now they rule the whole country, they all ruined what their sticky little hands touched. An example before our eyes is the destruction of Aeroflot of the USSR. The disadvantageous routes were thrown back, now for some reason they fly to used (which, incidentally, is very expensive, remember how much care a car with a mileage of 100 thousand requires), there are not enough pilots. Why so? Aviation is held in high esteem: salaries of 200 thousand each, vacation 2 months, respect and generally interesting. Now economists will recruit pilots abroad. In short - the Arctic fox of Russian aviation.

    Gaidar’s grave is filled with lime, and he is dug up, burned and drowned in the toilet.
    1. kavkaz8888
      kavkaz8888 25 November 2013 11: 57
      -2
      And the toilet (where drowned) is also lime.
      And also: "the writer Arkady Petrovich Gaidar from his first wife Leah Lazarevna Solomyanskaya." Our grandmother turned out to be lazarevna.
      That's so
      1. kavkaz8888
        kavkaz8888 26 November 2013 10: 25
        0
        What's the truth from the truth? Can't talk bad about the "Lazorevichs"? so it did not seem to send anywhere. Or even tie your mouth with a rag?
        Or maybe it was not the "azurevichs" who made the minuses, but ours, homegrown tolerasts? Then them in the same toilet.
  7. Sunjar
    Sunjar 25 November 2013 07: 40
    11
    Quote: author
    Do not imagine Yegor Timurovich as a pathological villain or a hired traitor


    How is it not necessary? Just as it should! What does it turn out: if, for example, what kind of shit in the West thought during the Great Patriotic War and harmed the people from under the silence, then you can’t call him a traitor and a bastard?
    Please note that among the HSE graduates, there are more and more corrupt bribe-takers. In general, most pro-Western nits come out of there. As one, Sergey Medvedev proposed to give oil and gas in the Arctic Ocean to the world community.
  8. Volodya Sibiryak
    Volodya Sibiryak 25 November 2013 07: 48
    +4
    His grandfather was a worthy man, which is not the case with his grandson.
    1. Mviktor
      Mviktor 25 November 2013 08: 35
      +2
      Grandfather was a bloody maniac, he raised such a grandson
      1. Simon
        Simon 25 November 2013 16: 15
        +2
        Yes, my grandfather was a worthy man, we were brought up according to his books.
      2. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 25 November 2013 21: 12
        +1
        Quote: Mviktor
        Grandfather was a bloody maniac, he raised such a grandson

        Arkady Gaidar, from 16 years, fought for his Fatherland with his enemies and died in the 1941 year in a battle with the Germans.
        And you do not judge the judotrols.
    2. skullcap
      skullcap 25 November 2013 13: 33
      0
      Quote: Volodya Sibiryak
      His grandfather was a worthy man, which is not the case with his grandson.

      Grandfather from grandson differed in that the first destroyed the Russian people in the name of a bright communist future, and the grandson did everything to destroy the Russian people in the name of a bright democratic future
  9. George
    George 25 November 2013 07: 50
    30
    Hello all.
    It is not necessary to represent Yegor Timurovich as a pathological villain or a hired traitor. He was just a man with a completely Western worldview.

    I remember as part of a Kovalev group in 95 he came and persuaded our soldiers in Chechnya to give up, under his personal guarantees. 72 people believed that their corpses were later collected all over Grozny.
    Take it out of the grave, load it into the cannon, and shoot that shit towards the west. am he has nothing to lay in our land.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 25 November 2013 11: 36
      +3
      Quote: GEORGE
      Take it out of the grave, load it into the cannon, and shoot that shit towards the west.

      I feel sorry for the gun.
    2. kaktus
      kaktus 25 November 2013 15: 33
      +1
      Take to a landfill on a filthy wheelbarrow, as once used to be worthless managers (in the 19th century there were no managers yet)
  10. makarov
    makarov 25 November 2013 07: 52
    +7
    During the Soviet era, it is a well-known thing that ".. Gaidar walks in front ..", and then his granddaughter never walked anywhere, he directed the streams of funds both into his own pocket and the pockets of fake ones, like the "red beast Chubais" .. At the same time, they convinced the society that they say life is like that, you go forward, and sherry in your mouth, turn back, and sherry in your ass. So they say we are marking time.
    count him in the ass ...
    1. teleset
      teleset 25 November 2013 14: 07
      0
      Yes, they stole a lot of dough. But you won’t forget that money. And in the memory of the motherland remained traitors.
  11. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 25 November 2013 08: 01
    11
    Until they will perpetuate the memory of such parasites and traitors as Yeltsin, Gaidar and others, until they bring to court and put all those who under Yeltsin and then plundered and betrayed the country, until then I will not believe that in Russia real power has come, the power of patriots and real statesmen.
    1. PPL
      PPL 25 November 2013 08: 46
      +3
      You just need to start with "Gorby" - it was with him that the current bad boys got carte blanche.
  12. Valery Neonov
    25 November 2013 08: 06
    +3
    Until now, "experiments" in the form of all sorts of endless reforms continue: medicine, education, pension "reform", etc., etc. Isn't it time for them to nail, like lice, adherents ... of the Gaidar region, entrenched in countless variations of the HSE, expert councils, liberal media, the economic bloc of the government, the headquarters of the “white tape” opposition.The time has come. angry
  13. drop
    drop 25 November 2013 08: 13
    +7
    I completely agree with Yuri. Gaidar and his accomplices are a disgrace to Russia. It is very simple to calculate its harm to Russia. They suggested the development path that China took, but our subordination to the party elite and not stubbornness led not only to the collapse of the country, but also to the destruction of industry.
  14. svp67
    svp67 25 November 2013 08: 32
    +9
    I predict the fate of the EBN monument - a "headache" for the police. In Yekaterinburg, how many times there have been attempts by people to "pay tribute" to EBN, several times successfully. As a result, a car with a police squad stands at the monument around the clock.
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 25 November 2013 08: 38
      +7
      I would also pay tribute, but I live far away
      1. svp67
        svp67 25 November 2013 09: 02
        24
        Somehow like this..
        1. Cherdak
          Cherdak 26 November 2013 00: 08
          +1
          I propose to compare the attitude of the people to different monuments
  15. Mviktor
    Mviktor 25 November 2013 08: 32
    +8
    I have also noticed for a long time that Yegor Gaidar strikingly recalling (including outwardly) the Gaidar "Bad Boy Bad Boy" who sold his "damned bourgeois" their country for "a barrel of jam and a basket of cookies."
    In occupation, it means the motherland, if they put down monuments of any kind, but I think he will not be there for long.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 25 November 2013 08: 44
      12
      citation-At the same time, Gaidar and Gaidar did not hide the fact that taking away under the pretext of "privatization" in the private pockets of the public property created by the labor of several generations, had a purely political goal: to create in the person of a class of large owners a support for the Yeltsin regime

      And for this monument. negative And then we wonder why Serdyukov and Vasilyev are still at large ?!
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 25 November 2013 08: 51
        +9
        Quote: Apollon
        And for this monument. And then we wonder why Serdyukov and Vasilyev are still at large ?!

        There is no particular surprise ...
        We grieve. About the lost equality before the court. "... Gaidar is walking in front ...". And behind him are the Serdyukovs, Vasilievs, Chubais, Grefs ...
      2. military
        military 25 November 2013 10: 19
        +2
        Quote: Apollon
        And for this monument.

        yes - a monument ... yes - precisely for this ... for the construction of a support for the regime ... the regime, after Yeltsin's departure to another world, has not gone anywhere ... and the support is in place ... and the successor with might and main on it "relies" ... and therefore speaks of the impossibility of revising the results of privatization ... at the same time recognizing it as predatory ... but, I do not intend to knock out support from under myself ... and to maintain support, all methods are good ... support is "stability" ... and we have already "voted" for it ...
  16. EvilLion
    EvilLion 25 November 2013 08: 53
    -5
    Gaidar, of course, but the article is nonsense.
  17. patriot2
    patriot2 25 November 2013 08: 53
    +6
    I didn’t think that I would live to see the time when they would erect a monument to the BAD-BAD! A SHAME! am
    1. Stiletto
      Stiletto 25 November 2013 09: 23
      +2
      Quote: patriot2
      I didn’t think that I would live to see the time when they would erect a monument to the BAD-BAD! A SHAME!


      Monument to Gaidar? Well ... There will be where people "in gratitude" to bring a packet of rotten eggs.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 25 November 2013 10: 16
        +8
        Quote: Stiletto
        Monument to Gaidar? Well ... There will be where people "in gratitude" to bring a packet of rotten eggs.

        No, you need to be in the classics - "a jar of jam and a basket of cookies." Jam in the face, and crumble the cookies around so that maybe more pigeons flock, and better crows. To dirtiest everything.
    2. kaktus
      kaktus 25 November 2013 15: 35
      0
      He did not fit into his market, i.e. bazaar
  18. shpuntik
    shpuntik 25 November 2013 08: 59
    +5
    For the enemy of Russia is not Gaidar, but Gaidarism, entrenched in countless variations of the HSE, expert councils, liberal media, the government’s economic bloc, and the headquarters of the “white tape” opposition.

    It seems to me, over the years, that the script originally planned, went a little differently. Eltsin first asked for help from the Sha, and then threw away his American partners: he made a default in 1998, put GDP without elections. Our home-grown businessmen seemed to say: "This is our cow, and we will milk it." Therefore, the "500 Days Program" did not pass. It stretched out over the years, with patriotic music. The next step is the privatization of monopolies, USC, UAC and the like.

  19. pensioner
    pensioner 25 November 2013 09: 03
    +5
    Grandfather was ready to ditch the privileged minority in order to give everything to the majority. Grandson did the exact opposite
    I read a lot about Gaidar Sr. I think the granddaughter would not regret it, would strangle the reptile.
    And I hope that we will find out the names of the heroes who helped E. Gaidar free the Russian people from their presence ...
  20. geologa
    geologa 25 November 2013 09: 04
    +4
    Remembering the times of Gaidar, I just want to cry from such a shame, it is difficult to remember a more destructive process in history; they surpassed even the Bolsheviks in 1917.
  21. Bort radist
    Bort radist 25 November 2013 09: 05
    +1
    Golikov is the pseudonym Gaidar.
    - And it was what the Khakass called him. They shouted: “Hide! Run! Haidar Golik is going! Haidar Golik is going! ” And this word stuck to him because he asked everyone: “Haidar?” That is where to go? He did not know other Khakass words. And he was looking for a gang of Solovyov.
    Once in a bathhouse sixteen people of Khakasses were locked. “If you don’t tell me where Solovyov is by morning, I’ll shoot everyone.” They did not say. Or maybe they didn’t know where Soloviev was, because the taiga was big. In the morning, he released one from the bathhouse and shot everyone in the back of the head. He shot all sixteen people. With your own hand. And then, he gathered the population of a whole village, well, that is, a whole village ... Seventy-six people were there. Old women and children, all in a row. He built them in one line, put a machine gun in front of them. “You won’t say, I’ll distort everyone.” They did not say. He sat down with a machine gun and ... everyone ... And even in Salt Lake, but he drowned in Lake of God. Crammed into an ice hole under the ice. Too many. These lakes will show you now. Old-timers remember ...

    V. A. Soloukhin “Salt Lake”.
    They say that this is not true, they say yes, shot, but not on such a scale. Interesting book I advise you to read. So dad didn’t roll over.
    1. makarov
      makarov 25 November 2013 11: 03
      0
      ".. They say that this is not true, they say yes, he shot, but not on such a scale ..."

      Based on punitive operations in alcoholic intoxication, at the age of 18 he was a chronic alcoholic. He was treated for addiction in the Crimea. After treatment, I realized what I was doing, and ... I sat down to write children's stories to plunge into the illusion
      1. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 25 November 2013 21: 06
        +1
        Quote: makarov
        ".. They say that this is not true, they say yes, he shot, but not on such a scale ..."

        Based on punitive operations in alcoholic intoxication, at the age of 18 he was a chronic alcoholic. He was treated for addiction in the Crimea. After treatment, I realized what I was doing, and ... I sat down to write children's stories to plunge into the illusion

        100% nonsense of liberals.
        1. Bort radist
          Bort radist 26 November 2013 09: 00
          -1
          Quote: Corsair5912
          100% nonsense of liberals.

          Investigation and punishment

          Such an attitude towards the population by the Chonovites and their commander caused concern about the fate of Golikov representatives of local authorities. Complaints about Arkashka’s activities came from the Spirins in Uzhur, Achinsk and Krasnoyarsk. A telegram with a request to take measures to save people was sent by the deputy chairman of the Ust-Firkal waters of the executive committee Kokov. On June 3, 1922, a special department of the provincial department of the GPU launched case No. 274 on charges of abuse of official position by Golikov. A special commission headed by the battalion commander J. A. Wittenberg left for the place, which, collecting the complaints of the population, concluded its report by demanding the execution of the former chief of the combat unit. On June 14 and 18, Golikov was questioned by the GPU. Having shown that all the executed were “bandits” or their accomplices, he pleaded guilty only to non-observance of “legal formalities” in carrying out these actions. According to his explanation, there was no one to draw up protocols of interrogations and executions. The head of the special department, Konovalov, found Golikov guilty of unauthorized executions and subject to detention (50).

          However, by that time the GPU already knew about the attitude to the future fate of Golikov of his command. As early as June 7, a resolution drafted by Commander V. N. Kakoulin was handed over from the headquarters of the provincial CHON to a special department: "Under no circumstances should he be arrested, replaced and recalled." On the instructions of the Presidium of the Yenisei Provincial Committee of the RCP (b), Golikov’s case was transferred by the GPU Gubotdel to the control commission under the gubernia committee for consideration on the party line (30). On August 51, the party body decided to discuss it at a joint meeting of the Presidium of the Provincial Committee and the CC of the RCP (B.). On September 18, 1, it decided to transfer Golikov to the category of subjects for two years, with the deprivation of the opportunity to hold responsible posts (1922).

          Such a lenient sentence does not indicate the absence of corpus delicti in Golikov’s actions, as Kamov assures him, but only about the general practice of punishing the red bandits, about the justifying tendency.

          Summarizing the above, we can draw the following conclusions. For such a short period of time in the Achinsk-Minusinsk region, A.P. Golikov (Gaidar) could not have been the leader and “hero” of the elimination of “banditry” here. He was also not a "punisher", the author of the crimes that others had committed before him. At the same time, Golikov did not differ from other representatives of the red military clique, capable of transferring their hatred of an armed and fighting enemy to the surrounding population. Being psychologically exhausted, being in a state of constant stress, he was the initiator and participant of shootings and other crimes characteristic of the Civil War. He was a cog in the system of terror, which proved to be a decisive means of retaining power for the RCP (b).

          At the same time, Gaidar, unlike many people with similar behavior, turned out to be a painfully conscientious person, for whom what he had done in Khakassia turned into a tragedy of life. The ascetic work in the literary field and the relatively early death on the fields of the Great Patriotic War adopted for the homeland largely redeem the unrighteous acts of his youth.

          city ​​of Abakan

          My grandfather served with the Yeniseisk in the NKVD, so I have an idea of ​​what to believe and what not. Red banditry was also Golikov from this system.
          1. V. Salama
            V. Salama 26 November 2013 10: 48
            -1
            They wrote a lot, but what's the point? Continuous inconsistency. What is your opinion? I see only one personal statement:
            Quote: Bort Radist
            Red banditry was also Golikov from this system.
            And where is the strong evidence of this? Is this what is it? -
            Quote: Bort Radist
            At the same time, Golikov did not differ from other representatives of the red military, who were able to transfer their hatred of the armed and fighting enemy to the surrounding population.

            You are here in more detail about the "hateful" population please. You shouldn't generalize like that. When you fought in Chechnya, you probably felt great love for the representatives of the local population, shooting at federals, putting up banners, harboring militants, or simply gloating when they cut their heads off prisoners? What are you talking about?
            And what is this argument? -
            Quote: Bort Radist
            My grandfather served with the Yeniseisk in the NKVD, so I have an idea of ​​what to believe and what not

            With this ability to analyze, you and your own grandfather could get it wrong. Since here it is already obvious to everyone how a grandson can differ from a grandfather. By the way, in one article there was such a characteristic of E. Gaidar, still during his lifetime: "... he, like Goebbels, everything goes into business - both hair and teeth ... - and achievements in the collapse of the country and the merits of his grandfather ". Remember: you don't need reason to believe, you just need to believe. And for doubts you need reasons. So if you want to prove something, do not offer us to believe your grandfather, but give strong evidence and confirmation of your statements. And then they brought extracts from different sources and did not understand what they wrote. This is a complete kikos - you contradict yourself.
            1. Bort radist
              Bort radist 26 November 2013 14: 08
              0
              Quote: V. Salama
              And where is the strong evidence of this?

              On June 3, 1922, a special department of the provincial department of the GPU launched case No. 274 on charges of abuse of official position by Golikov. Number, year, case number. What else to bring witnesses. I lived in those places. Belogorsk, 70 km from Sharypovo. Steam room, Shchetinkin mountain (in memory of the head of counter intelligence who drove Solovyov through our taiga). I spoke with families of people who remember how it was. There was (Chebaki) in the village where the film "The End of the Taiga Emperor" was filmed. And now Vladimir, who lives in an unknown place, will teach me the history of the Native Land. The "bandits" of that time can be compared with the Primorsk "partisans".
              1. V. Salama
                V. Salama 27 November 2013 14: 44
                0
                Why don't you want to think? If you say something, then provide evidence in the form of justifications for your statements, and not a bunch of inconclusive and contradictory excerpts from the context of documents, the reliability of the information, which also requires evaluation.
                Quote: Bort Radist
                ... case No. 274 has been opened on charges of abuse of Golikov ...

                This is understandable, it is not clear only why you consider the fact of the institution of this case as proof of guilt. Several times the case was started against me, so what? Slander is a terrible force if there are interested scoundrels. "Complaints of the local population" is an excellent start to such cases, but if you work with these complainants ... - a lot of interesting things open up.
                Quote: Bort Radist
                Having shown that all the executed were “bandits” or their accomplices, he pleaded guilty only to non-observance of “legal formalities” in carrying out these actions. According to his explanation, there was no one to draw up protocols of interrogations and executions. The head of the special department, Konovalov, found Golikov guilty of unauthorized executions and subject to detention (50).
                What do you confirm by this? Or tell you how special wartime departments work? He violated the "legal formalities" - they could have spanked. And what idea do you personally confirm with the above extracts from (51) and (52). Or offer me to conjecture and to formulate for you, counting on an inflamed imagination, an empty hope - you have not yet encountered such cunning wisdom.

                Quote: Bort Radist
                Such a lenient sentence does not indicate the absence of corpus delicti in Golikov’s actions, as Kamov assures him, but only about the general practice of punishing the red bandits, about the justifying tendency.

                Well, that you are definitely “For” at 100. It’s not clear to you that this is just an unconfirmed statement by a person with strange motivations. By the way, is Kamov not that kind of writer, a lover of hanging noodles? - Give a reference to his immortal works, otherwise the country already forgets its “heroes”.
                1. V. Salama
                  V. Salama 27 November 2013 14: 50
                  -1
                  Quote: Bort Radist
                  Summarizing the foregoing, we can draw the following conclusions. For such a short period of stay in the Achinsk-Minusinsk district, A. P. Golikov (Gaidar) could not be the leader and “hero” of the elimination of “banditry” here. He was also not a “punisher,” the author of the crimes that others had committed before him.
                  And what's that? “Generalizing” - who and what generalizes this? You at least supplement your opinion about what it is you. Could not, a punisher is not a punisher ... Are you playing puzzles with other people's phrases? So nothing will work out. It’s time for ourselves to learn to formulate thoughts.
                  Quote: Bort Radist
                  I lived in those places ...
                  Do not you understand how weak this argument is. This is not an argument at all - knowledge about the situation is not transmitted with territorial affiliation.
                  Quote: Bort Radist
                  What else to bring witnesses. …. I talked with families of people who remember how it was. There was (Chebaki) in the village where the film "The End of the Taiga Emperor" was filmed.
                  This is from the same series - "I know - I have a medic wife." So you bring their words to the point! Whom, when, who, for what? It is impossible to prove a lie, a lie can only be refuted. Guilt can be proved by a necessary and sufficient combination of material facts. But you don’t have anything to prove your innocence, but I don’t even have to refute anything because you don’t have anything significant on the subject under discussion.
                  Quote: Bort Radist
                  ... Vladimir, it’s unknown where he lives, he will teach me stories ...
                  Well, first of all, I do not teach history, but try to hint at the weakness of your evidence base, that you are trying to pull events out of a concrete historical situation and judge the war from a peacetime perspective. Secondly, even if we lived with you in the same village at the time of those events, the story with you would be different. Aristotle also claimed this. So, in principle, we cannot teach each other stories. What am I talking about? If simply and briefly, the answer will be given at least by the annotation (if there is no time to watch) for the film by Akira Kurosawa “Rashomon” - there are five witnesses to one event and each has its own truth. Very informative…
                  Quote: Bort Radist
                  The "bandits" of that time can be compared with the Primorsky "partisans"
                  What will change from a discussion of our subject from this comparison? Let me remind you that there was a civil war, but there is a specific logic of the war. You would have said it to the American police that children with toy weapons in their hands in peacetime are felled.
                  1. Bort radist
                    Bort radist 2 December 2013 08: 54
                    0
                    I read your bloat from an elephant fly. I understood everything to you in principle, if you do not take it for granted, it is impossible to prove. It's just time to waste. As I understand it, Moskvich or Man of the Moscow Region. You know everything and it is fate about everyone. I will repeat it again for me that you do not need to prove Golikov shot him without trial (relatives confirmed for the 100th anniversary, but you know for sure). They caught Solovyov for one reason - GOLD. As a writer, Gaidar is rated "excellent". It was read out. Great works (in terms of educational effect can be attributed to such) live independently of their authors.
                    1. V. Salama
                      V. Salama 2 December 2013 17: 11
                      0
                      Quote: Bort Radist
                      ... if you do not take it for granted, it is not possible to prove.
                      Not true. Proof must be convincing and correct.
                      Quote: Bort Radist
                      As I understand it, Moskvich or Man of the Moscow Region. You know everything and about all this is fate.
                      They didn’t guess, in Moscow I was just studying. I’m always ready to cast doubt on my knowledge, which has become my beliefs. But this requires good reason.
                      Quote: Bort Radist
                      ... Golikov shot for me without trial
                      He himself did not deny it, but I did not deny it. Is this the subject of our debate? Here proof of guilt is needed.
                      Quote: Bort Radist
                      They caught Solovyov for one reason - GOLD.
                      So one and the other, so there were no reasons? Interestingly, what was the reason that made him climb onto the railway embankment, where his German machine gunner cut it off? Maybe he was still looking for gold? By the way, it should be clarified (from historical experience) that civil wars are more brutal and uncompromising than the "domestic" ones. But even in this “milder” case, the German machine gunner at the end of the machine gun line “did not execute a death sentence” and nothing went wrong.
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    2. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 25 November 2013 21: 09
      +1
      Quote: Bort Radist
      V. A. Soloukhin “Salt Lake”.
      They say that this is not true, they say yes, shot, but not on such a scale. Interesting book I advise you to read. So dad didn’t roll over.

      This dirty lie was composed in perestroika, and Soloukhin is a famous lie and Russophobe.
  22. optimist
    optimist 25 November 2013 09: 17
    +9
    Despite the fact that this Judas has already been devoured by worms (like ebna and many others), their work is alive and well. And while the bulk of the population does not clearly know from whose "tail" the current "guarantor" fell out, nothing will change.
    Quote: shpuntik
    It seems to me, over the years, that the script originally planned, went a little differently. Eltsin first asked for help from the Sha, and then threw away his American partners: he made a default in 1998, put GDP without elections. Our home-grown businessmen seemed to say: "This is our cow, and we will milk it." Therefore, the "500 Days Program" did not pass. It stretched out over the years, with patriotic music. The next step is the privatization of monopolies, USC, UAC and the like.

    You can add to this that basically all this is done for the benefit of our geopolitical opponents and against the people of Russia. A series of betrayals that began (at least!) In the 85th end and the edge is not visible ...
  23. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 25 November 2013 09: 40
    11
    Here sometimes "smart" thoughts such as: "Let's take Lenin out of all squares ... we'll probably live like in chocolate", who will we put in his place? Yes, Vladimir Ilyich is probably not ideal, and he got the time and the situation "God forbid everyone. "So who to replace Ilyich with? Of course, hold an honest vote among the people, we all know who will have to erect a monument, but what does this mean for the modern government? felt like a pathological poor student and a truant passing by the monument to the excellent student, but he will grimace in front of him, but deep in his soul he will feel his inferiority. So the current government did not give anything to the country, but only stealthily stealing can only produce a monument to Gaidar, here Yeltsin monument, the people will ask: “For what? For what such merits?” The authorities will either mumble, or the answer “For merits” and that's all, what such “merits” are not specified. Here, passing by the monument to Lenin with they ask: “Who is this?” You can say that this is “the executioner, the maniac, and the German spyen Lenin,” but you will have to add that he is the founder of the USSR, and what is the USSR? A superpower, one of the two that existed on the plan, fell, alas, because of the vile betrayal of the top. And they will ask, who is Yeltsin? Here you don't even need to say anything, it's enough to show a video of a drunken Yeltsin running an orchestra, and that's the whole point, but what good did he do? You know, nothing even comes to mind here. , the person left a memory of himself as a helpless alcoholic who did nothing for the country and who subsequently received the hatred of ordinary citizens that the police have to guard his monument around the clock, is this normal?
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 25 November 2013 09: 48
      +1
      Current youth considers Lenin the inventor of the bulb laughing
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 25 November 2013 13: 43
        +1
        Quote: ivshubarin
        Current youth considers Lenin the inventor of the bulb

        Those. are they all up to Lenin, or what? what
  24. bilgesez
    bilgesez 25 November 2013 09: 42
    +3
    Quote: APES
    it's time to make lists of all students - as I understand it, Medvedev will be the first ...

    It’s time, but the first will be humpbacked, then Putin, and then Medvedev, etc.
  25. military
    military 25 November 2013 09: 45
    10
    For the enemy of Russia is not Gaidar, but Gaidar ...

    oh, what a passage! ... belay
    "... not Serdyukov, but Serdyukovism ..."
    "... not Medvedev, but Medvedevism ..."
    and they themselves, of course, are the best friends of Russia and its people ...
  26. bilgesez
    bilgesez 25 November 2013 09: 46
    +6
    In general, it's time to organize the site "enemies of Russia." and publish these lists there so that they know that their activities are being recorded and retribution will come.
    1. Stinger
      Stinger 25 November 2013 09: 52
      +1
      The sculpture clearly does not pull Rodin's Thinker. And the place was prudently chosen, fearing the people's "love". Where did you go? Yes, where he came.
      1. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 25 November 2013 20: 55
        0
        Quote: Stinger
        The sculpture clearly does not pull Rodin's Thinker. And the place was prudently chosen, fearing the people's "love". Where did you go? Yes, where he came.

        What kind of Rodin is there, what kind of "thinker"? A toad is a toad, with a swollen face of an alcoholic, even the great Zurab Tseretelli himself will not immortalize worse.
    2. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 25 November 2013 21: 03
      0
      Quote: bilgesez
      In general, it's time to organize the site "enemies of Russia." and publish these lists there so that they know that their activities are being recorded and retribution will come.

      Yeah, like Pushkin in "Boris Godunov"
      Boris, Boris! everything trembles before you ...
      Meanwhile, a hermit in a dark cell
      Here the terrible denunciation writes to you,
      And you won’t leave human court,
      How not to get away from God's judgment
  27. Selevc
    Selevc 25 November 2013 09: 49
    +5
    Where Gaidar walked
    Gaidar knows where he was stepping — where he was stepping — into the abyss !!!
    Gaidar is already a symbol of the puppet control of Russia ... Under Gaidar, America directly controlled Russia - using the Gaidar government as a cover - this was not even much hidden !!! Damn - it’s necessary to disgrace grandfather in this way !!!
    It’s bad that they didn’t have time to hang it - the cattle died itself !!!
  28. Galinanp
    Galinanp 25 November 2013 09: 56
    +2
    A typical portrait of a true liberal, with the mathematical calculations inherent in them, liberals. They are used when imposing their own "economic models" on the people, leading to a "bright" liberalistic future - well, minus, there are five to ten million lives, so what, the main idea.
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 25 November 2013 09: 58
      +3
      Gaidar is a good executor of the will of the West for the collapse of the world's most powerful economy
  29. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 25 November 2013 10: 00
    +2
    Let's make a small analysis of the "Gaidarism". The revolution of 1917 of the year broke out. Gaidar (future grandfather) in the forefront built a new life, including destroying the enemies of a new life. Years passed and the people built this new life, for which Gaidar (grandfather) desperately fought. At the end of the last century, another revolution broke out and Gaidar (grandson), with the cruelty of his grandfather, began to destroy everything that his grandfather had built. The grimace of the fate of one family. And ordinary people only suffered ...
    1. Nikolay D.
      Nikolay D. 25 November 2013 11: 33
      +1
      Gaidar (grandfather) and Gaidar (grandson) are ideological performers, only with opposite signs + -. But the most interesting thing is that they have only one customer. And if they had a bummer with their grandfather, they did not fail with their grandson.
      1. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 25 November 2013 20: 50
        -3
        Quote: Nikolai D.
        Gaidar (grandfather) and Gaidar (grandson) are ideological performers, only with opposite signs + -. But the most interesting thing is that they have only one customer. And if they had a bummer with their grandfather, they did not fail with their grandson.

        This is for you Russophobia, anti-Soviet and anti-Stalinist customer one State Department overseas.
        Do not dare ........ deleted by the moderator to stain the name of a good Russian writer-patriot who fell in battles with the Nazis.
        1. Nikolay D.
          Nikolay D. 25 November 2013 21: 20
          0
          Quote: Corsair5912
          Do not you dare and dirty


          Before throwing Mr. Opponents into opponents, consider the question of how the Bolsheviks came to power, and on whose money the parties of those times were created and functioned, and also what role Stalin, Lenin, Trotsky played in the formation of the great superpower. Start your study in 1801. This is the first.

          Secondly, to make an assertion that the interlocutor of the city on the sole ground that he himself did not understand the opponent, only confirms who is who, regardless of political preference.

          And thirdly, do not stain with your ignorance the people who linked and are linking their fate with the USSR.

          And the fact that Gaidar (grandfather) was a good person apparently did not understand only you.
          And yes, finally read what imaginative thinking is.
  30. Boris55
    Boris55 25 November 2013 10: 03
    0
    You know what unites the leader of the world proletariat with Gaidar - they both came to us from Switzerland ...
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 25 November 2013 20: 46
      -3
      Quote: Boris55
      You know what unites the leader of the world proletariat with Gaidar - they both came to us from Switzerland ..

      This dirty lie you in your Jews in Israel, shake your hands, and here everyone knows where the liberals come from. You nonsense and Russophobia in the US Department of State stamped.
  31. morpogr
    morpogr 25 November 2013 10: 06
    +2
    Cabinet Westerner economist from the journal Communist.
  32. Old Cynic
    Old Cynic 25 November 2013 10: 12
    +5
    I propose to chip in and order Ilya Glazunov a masterpiece canvas on the theme "Arkady Gaidar kills his grandson."
  33. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 25 November 2013 10: 36
    +9
    In a word - an abomination!
  34. major071
    major071 25 November 2013 10: 48
    +8
    I remember when my granddaughters died, how many crocodile tears our liberals shed with shitcrats. "Oh, what an outstanding person, a great economist we lost, he brought Russia to today's prosperity, etc., etc." Correspondents were sprinkling directly into the cameras. Now the monument has been opened, and the second one. Tomorrow they will offer to put him next to Lenin, who is also a great economist. Ugh, disgrace.
    1. 311ove
      311ove 25 November 2013 11: 20
      0
      good Here is your "Ugh, shame!" - perhaps you can't say more precisely .... good
  35. corn
    corn 25 November 2013 10: 57
    +1
    Gaidar is the result of an incorrect economic education. Economic education was considered humanitarian. The vast majority of students were women. Women have some problems with formal logic, and engage in economics without being a logician (not to be confused with a logistician)
    It is impossible. Few people will argue that changes in the USSR in many matters were necessary. It is bad that people with a defective education did this.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 25 November 2013 11: 39
      +1
      Quote: corn
      Gaidar the result of not quite the right economic education

      smile
      My opinion, all economic education is quackery. They have never predicted a crisis, not to mention the ways to prevent it. The hydrometeorological center is even more respectful than all these unfortunate economists with advanced degrees.

      Yes, and how something can be predicted if the printing press of the world belongs to a private company.
      1. corn
        corn 25 November 2013 19: 06
        0
        "In our view, all economic education is charlatanism."
        1. On April 5, 1952, Literaturnaya Gazeta published a devastating article entitled “Cybernetics - the“ science ”of obscurantists.”
        2. "Capital" of Marx-the most fundamental work on science, which has the name-Economics.
  36. Nikolay D.
    Nikolay D. 25 November 2013 11: 13
    +4
    Well, the article is a test. The author’s thoughts set forth in the article involuntarily enter into resonance with our vision of what is happening in the country. The author clearly pointed out that the problem is not in the monument, and not in individuals, be it DAM, GDP, or anyone else, but in the system, in the ideology that the support class, created by the faceless guides of the postmodern era, is broadcasting.
  37. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 25 November 2013 11: 36
    +4
    The painting "Ivan the Terrible is killing his son" was withdrawn from the state art gallery to the storeroom, due to irrelevance, and replaced with the epic canvas "Arkady Gaidar is killing his grandson"!
    (From the humor of the 90's).
  38. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 25 November 2013 11: 38
    +5
    This thief, the criminal, the destroyer of the Russian people had to be hung up in one place. Look at how the monument is protected in Yeltsin in Sverdlovsk, it’s so hateful to the people and this monument has to be protected. It’s meritorious, as they are called by normal smart and thinking economists, but in common people crooks, kokhs, Chubais, gaydars, if our representatives of the highest authority sympathize with them, I remind you during the reign of Yeltsin, with the participation of the above listed individuals, 4 million of our compatriots died, this is gynocide against your people, and you put monuments to them, the question is who you are fellow lawyers.
  39. Fin
    Fin 25 November 2013 11: 46
    0
    The decree on perpetuating the memory of Gaidar was signed, as the president of Russia, by Dmitry Medvedev, who never concealed his love for the late reformer. And Medvedev instituted a Gaidar scholarship, he was named after the Moscow school 1301 with an in-depth study of the economy ...

    And here this figure distinguished himself. People! Does anyone remember the good from him?
    Look at the theme of the monument to Gaidar "Duel" dated November 21 Prokhanov-Gozman.
  40. Boris55
    Boris55 25 November 2013 11: 49
    -1
    Quote: Fin
    And here this figure distinguished himself. People! Does anyone remember the good from him? ...

    Maybe it seemed to me, but in my opinion, Putin distanced himself from him after the election.
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  42. nnz226
    nnz226 25 November 2013 11: 57
    +5
    That Yeltsin, that the Gaidarushka, except for spitting on the grave, deserve nothing more ...
  43. olviko
    olviko 25 November 2013 12: 06
    +9
    The people have already given the monument a drive: "one-armed bandit".
    1. Yashka Gorobets
      Yashka Gorobets 25 November 2013 14: 05
      +5
      Some kind of nasty monument turned out then.
      1. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 25 November 2013 14: 17
        +3
        Which deserved
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    2. military
      military 25 November 2013 14: 22
      +3
      Quote: olviko
      The people have already given the monument a drive: "one-armed bandit".

      an interesting perspective ... there are associations with illustrations for the theory of Charles Darwin ... no longer Neanderthal ... but also not Cro-Magnon ... what
    3. Sharp
      Sharp 25 November 2013 20: 53
      +4
      Photo in the subject.
  44. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 25 November 2013 12: 22
    +2
    I read on the Internet in 2010 about E. Gaidar, I give some comments:

    I often worked in the Historical Archives and in the Archives of the Synod. I liked working there. But in the library. Yeltsin will never be me. They will lead me by force, I will not go. How can you so praise and exalt the destroyers of our Russian country? And I’ve just recently thought and spoke very well of President Medvedev. The veil fell from my eyes after the celebration of the 65th anniversary of Victory USSR over fascist Germany. Now another 30 volleys from guns are not enough for the full pleasure of liberals and democrats in honor of Yegor Gaidar. But, God forbid, Chubais dies. What will happen then? Well, three days of mourning throughout Russia is a matter of course. And Russia, by order of the President, will have to But let it be better to live longer and we will be calmer from the new upheavals in Russia (now, God willing, there will be no shocks from Chubais, and there would be no more shocks from our youngest and smartest President). ( Sandrovich. Answer to Stanislav Kunyaev's article "They won't have time to immortalize Gaidar's memory")

    and the response of the moderator:
    Dear participant, as I understand it, you have entered a rage and cannot stop giving your own imagination free rein. Do you not understand that you are exposing the Russian Conversation and the Orthodox-patriotic forces as a whole to the blow of the liberals? I believe that few people are interested in your fantasy thoughts. Since you do not respect the comments and requests of the Russian Conversation Administration, I am forced to declare a ban for you for 2 weeks. Excuse me. In Christ Jesus.
    Alexander Vasilievich. Global moderator. Veteran.
  45. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 25 November 2013 12: 45
    +2
    <<< Therefore, they began to replace the people. ..... according to the principle "accept or die" ........ in order to accelerate the process of "replacing the people" by all means, its spiritual and cultural degradation and physical extinction were stimulated. >>>
    With such an attitude of Gaidarism towards people, towards the people, who openly wished and actively contributed to their physical extinction, in response, one can only, as a natural defensive reaction, wish that this pro-Western libesral scum would disappear from the Russian land forever, and "physical extinction" is preferable!
    1. alone
      alone 25 November 2013 19: 31
      +1
      And Medvedev instituted a Gaidar scholarship, he was named after the Moscow school 1301 with an in-depth study of the economy ...


      This is especially worrying. Do you have any idea what the next generation is teaching?
  46. builder
    builder 25 November 2013 12: 55
    +1
    It’s okay that some of the pensioners will die out, but the society will become more mobile

    Radical transformations are underway in the country, it is difficult to make money, and the death of people who are unable to withstand these transformations is a natural thing

    Russia as a state of Russians has no future!

    In order to make the economy and politics of the world superpower dependent on the decisions of potential opponents (USA) and the main competitor in the oil market (Saudi Arabia) and wait for them to agree, it is necessary to recruit especially incompetent people to the country's leadership.

    "... in Zelenograd, our medicine recorded 36 deaths due to hunger. Gaidar replied simply: radical transformations are underway, money is difficult, and the death of people who are unable to resist these transformations is a natural thing."

    Possible epitaphs on the monument to Gaidar.
    1. kaktus
      kaktus 25 November 2013 15: 40
      +2
      I suggest it easier: "I didn't fit into the market"
      1. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 25 November 2013 20: 31
        0
        Quote: kaktus
        I suggest it easier: "I didn't fit into the market"

        need to be added ... stole a little, the toad crushed.
  47. 123321
    123321 25 November 2013 13: 10
    +1
    Quote: Civil
    Truly, after the dismantling of all the achievements of the Revolution, the monument to E. Gaidar looks like a tombstone to all of socialism .... even if it’s a reminder of human stupidity and greed.

    Monument to the Judaization of the Government.
  48. Selevc
    Selevc 25 November 2013 13: 16
    +5
    What can we say about Gaidar - One lived as a patriot and died as a hero defending his country and the other lived satedly and freely a scoundrel and died a villain !!!
  49. Budilnik
    Budilnik 25 November 2013 13: 18
    +3
    Never forget! Liberast is a bad guy. My relatives had the imprudence to sell the house before the Gaidar reform, and they gave the money after. The monthly difference has discounted the initial amount to the cost of the refrigerator. There are dozens of such stories among only my friends ..
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