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Will there be European gas for Ukraine now?

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Will there be European gas for Ukraine now?



November 2013 will be remembered for Ukraine’s hard decision making process: either comply with the conditions of the European Union and sign an association agreement with the European community, or take steps to come closer to Russia.

21 November 2013, the Ukrainian parliament did not pass a bill allowing Yulia Tymoshenko to travel to Germany for treatment. Thus, Kiev has not fulfilled the key conditions of the EU. There was a real threat of the EU refusing to sign an association agreement with Ukraine. And most importantly, the result of the Parliament’s loud discussion of the adoption of EU requirements was the announcement by the Ukrainian Cabinet of Ministers of a decision to suspend preparations for signing an integration agreement with the EU, as well as to continue the process of developing mutually beneficial economic relations with the CIS countries and Russia.

But, despite these changes in the position of the Ukrainian authorities, problems with the supply of Russian gas to Ukraine still remain a stumbling block between the two countries.

In one of the editions of The Wall Street Journal it is said about the consent of the Brussels officials to issue the necessary documents allowing Kiev to receive natural gas from Europe. It is assumed that the supply will be carried out on the territory of Slovakia by the gas transmission company Eustream. Europeans believe that this step can serve as a rapprochement between Ukraine and the European Union.

And although Europe does not have Russian sources of supply of natural gas, now it’s about sending gas to Ukraine obtained by European customers under contracts with Russian Gazprom. Considering the difference in prices for the supply of Russian gas to Ukraine and Europe, it is possible that the price of such re-exported gas from Slovakia will be less than the cost of natural gas supplied by Gazprom to Ukrainian consumers.

The situation with the supply of natural gas to Ukraine by Europeans is quite plausible. First, lately, gas consumption by Europeans has been decreasing, and European countries can “share” part of natural gas with their, possibly, future strategic partner. Secondly, the Europeans do not want to pay penalties to Gazprom for the gas that has not been extracted, since the principle of the existing agreements with Gazprom is “take or pay”. It turns out that, helping Kiev with supplies of relatively cheap gas, Europe also helps itself.

The publication of The Wall Street Journal claims that the documents regulating the re-export of Russian gas to Ukrtransgaz are ready for signing, and Slovak operators are preparing to accept applications from Ukrainian consumers. Despite the fact that the first applications may be received in December of this year, the delivery itself will begin no earlier than the autumn of 2014.

It is possible that, in anticipation of these supplies, Ukraine may use the existing supply of its underground gas storage facilities to reduce losses from the lack of natural gas.

According to Ukrainian Energy Minister E. Stavitsky, it is planned that from Europe through the territory of Hungary and Poland, Ukrainian consumers will be able to receive about 7 billion cubic meters of natural gas per year, and through Slovakia more than 10 billion cubic meters annually - and these supplies will fully cover the country's needs in the import of blue fuel. These words are hard to believe, because, for example, in 2011, Ukraine needed to purchase 40 billion cubic meters of gas, which allowed it to provide only 60% of its need for the country. As far as the official is right, considering it possible to significantly reduce gas imports to 18 billion cubic meters. without damaging the country's economy, time will tell.

Currently, the Ukrainian authorities are already taking measures to increase their own production of natural gas.

Interestingly, in the pre-war years 87% of gas produced in the USSR came from the Carpathian region. But subsequently, gas production in Ukraine began to decline due to the development of new fields in the eastern and central part of the Soviet Union. Experts believe that Ukraine has considerable potential reserves of hydrocarbon fuel, but most of which are not yet available for production for economic and technical reasons.

It can be considered that the establishment of natural gas re-export from Europe to Ukraine will bring Kiev closer to joining the EU. But it is also possible that such a step is a way of pressure on Russia in the matter of reducing the cost of Russian gas supply.

Materials used:
http://www.utro.ru/articles/2013/11/20/1157921.shtml
http://svpressa.ru/politic/article/77864/
http://vz.ru/politics/2013/11/21/660711.html
http://vz.ru/news/2013/11/21/660785.html
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 25 November 2013 07: 38
    +5
    What kind of kickback will YANUKOVICH be offered in EUROPE now, or all the hopes of EUROPE now for a new orange Maidan revolution.
    1. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 25 November 2013 09: 01
      +6
      Quote: Author Valery Boval, Dneprodzerzhinsk, Ukraine
      Europeans do not want to pay forfeits to Gazprom for gas short

      Does Ukraine want?
      It turns out that Europeans do not see prospects in this matter in their own court. And what is Ukraine counting on? It seems that Ukraine does not at all recognize the contractual penalty for the shortfall as a debt.
      1. self-propelled
        self-propelled 25 November 2013 10: 34
        +9
        "... I am tormented by vague doubts ..." as the movie hero said. Was not all this whistle with European integration a screen behind which Ukraine tried to bargain from Russia for lower gas prices? now it seems like Ukraine has turned to face its northern neighbor. business, and nothing but business. to be continued...
        1. dm98
          dm98 25 November 2013 11: 04
          +3
          great!
          it means not one I think so!

          It will be a shame if Ukraine divorced Putin
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 25 November 2013 11: 19
            10
            Quote: dm98
            It will be a shame if Ukraine divorced Putin

            it won’t be a shame ... Ukraine has already been divided fellow
            On the eve, it became known about an unscheduled meeting between the main leaders of the fate of the Ukrainian people (without representatives of the latter) - German Chancellor Angela Merkel at the head of the EU and Vladimir Putin.
            If we discard verbal husk, then this is probably the most important event of the year: Putin’s and Georgy’s old geopolitical dream comes true to discuss the fate of Ukraine (and its interests in Ukraine) without the participation of Kiev and Brussels.
            Alternatively, the association of Ukraine will take place, but with changes in the text of the agreement (preventing rapprochement with the CU, but without joining) and, importantly, the association will take place with Putin's consent. "In short, we are waiting for the Lavrov-Westerwelle Pact" wassat
            1. dm98
              dm98 25 November 2013 14: 28
              +2
              Quote: smersh70
              Quote: dm98
              It will be a shame if Ukraine divorced Putin

              it won’t be a shame ... Ukraine has already been divided fellow

              As an option, the association of Ukraine will take place, but with changes in the text of the agreement (preventing rapprochement with the Customs Union, but without joining) "In short, we are waiting, from the Lavrov-Westerwelle Pact" wassat


              If you make changes to the text of the association document that will not harm Russia, then the whole meaning of the association is lost (if you look at it from the European Union). After all, their goal is not to trade with Ukraine even on equal terms, their goal is to destroy and enslave Russia's closest ally.
              Yes, even if we assume that the document will be signed with the participation of Putin, then in any case it will harm Russia, both in terms of image and in economic terms.
              But Ukraine will now win in any situation, with the exception of joining the European Union on the same terms, but this is apparently no longer possible
            2. wow
              wow 25 November 2013 20: 06
              -2
              In my opinion, this will be the best option for us. Tired of seeing "on TV" bulging eyes and buzzing saliva of Zapadensky Banderlog.
          2. Grandson of Veteran
            Grandson of Veteran 25 November 2013 15: 41
            0
            "It will be a shame if Ukraine divorced Putin"
            I think it was Putin who broke up the EU. Remember the topic on Topvar "Putin's Ukrainian calmness"? Then all of us here expressed the assumption that the GDP has everything calculated, seized and decided. I will assume that the result of European integration (at least in the near future) was a foregone conclusion. We were just playing to the audience.
        2. avt
          avt 25 November 2013 11: 31
          +5
          Quote: self-propelled
          But wasn’t this whole whistle with Euro-integration a screen behind which Ukraine tried to bargain for lower gas prices from Russia? now it seems like Ukraine has turned to face its northern neighbor.

          Naturally, now, when instead of loans from the EU, they received an offer to cut social expenses and raise gas prices for the population and everything would be fine, but the demand to release Yulia Grikyants completely finished off Yanukovych, he really doesn’t want to make hara-kiri. between two nipples, but there’s nothing to squeeze out on the hike, and reluctance to switch to pasture, and trampled everything during throwing.
        3. Orik
          Orik 25 November 2013 13: 04
          +4
          True, it was, is and will be. If you read the history of the hetman, you can clearly see how all the participants of this performance are rushing there. A long performance awaits us, stock up on popcorn.
  2. Denis
    Denis 25 November 2013 07: 43
    +1
    Will there be European gas for Ukraine now?
    What did you find in the geyrop?
    1. 31231
      31231 25 November 2013 22: 45
      0
      Yes, there is no European gas. De facto Russian gas and goes to Western consumers. And those who immediately do not reach them in Ukraine and sell it, winding up their kalym for no reason.
      1. Denis
        Denis 26 November 2013 04: 45
        0
        Quote: 31231
        winding my dummy for no reason
        What gas there is not clear, just a funny title
        And the price + kalym, it makes sense to buy more, strange commerce
        Or spite my mom’s frostbitten ears?
        1. kaper
          kaper 26 November 2013 17: 19
          0
          So the fact of the matter is that the price for Germany, Austria, Slovakia, Hungary, etc. plus "their kalym" = it still comes out cheaper than Russia sells to Ukraine.
  3. makarov
    makarov 25 November 2013 07: 57
    +8
    just give an example:
    there are two operas, nothing to be bothered about, finally one says: - I went to the organized crime group, everything is there, and weapons, and drugs, and fake money. I will untwist, and the order will be a promotion.
    A month later, they meet, a colleague and asks: - what are you and without an order, and the star, on the contrary, one "fell", - What, failed?
    To which the "hero" replied with sullenness: - No, he came out to himself.
  4. pensioner
    pensioner 25 November 2013 09: 10
    +1
    As far as the official is right, considering it possible to significantly reduce gas imports to 18 billion cubic meters. without prejudice to the country's economy, time will tell.

    Re-export to Ukraine will not help. It will end sooner or later. Then either turn to Russia again, or get it by ourselves. Ukrainian politicians say all the time that Ukraine is full of gas. So let them get it. By this time, Gazprom will deploy gas transportation to Asia.
  5. aszzz888
    aszzz888 25 November 2013 09: 35
    -1
    Ukraine is now like that girl on fornication: one wants to, and is pricked, and the mother does not order.
  6. pensioner
    pensioner 25 November 2013 09: 36
    +4
    And in Serbia yesterday began to build the Serbian section of the South Stream. After 2 years, Ukraine, as a transit state, will not be needed. Well then, in general: if you do not learn how to produce gas yourself ... Not at all, but in large quantities.
    1. kaper
      kaper 25 November 2013 12: 45
      -6
      What are you glad about, these "streams" are another divorce of Russia according to the type of Reagan's "star wars." Bury billions and that's all, but no, millions more will be needed to service this scrap metal. And the gas pipelines themselves without storage, a waste of money. For general development, some, with figures and facts-
      http://ibud.ua/ru/novost/potreblenie-gaza-v-evrope-padaet-a-mirovye-zapasy-rastu
      t-vysokimi-tempami-gazprom-obrechen-na-bankrotstvo-13595
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 25 November 2013 13: 06
        +3
        Quote: kaper
        Poland next year, and Ukraine in 2015

        We are waiting, sir. With interest repeat You can start to heat the stove with your own links, since the dung will also end soon.
        1. kaper
          kaper 25 November 2013 13: 18
          0
          “You can start to heat the stove with your links, since the dung will also end soon” - firstly, the links are not mine, but yours, ”says Tatyana Mitrova, head of the World Energy Department of the Energy Center of the Skolkovo Business School (Russia).
          And secondly, my apartment is heated by gas, individual heating, there is constantly hot water and less cry for gas than in Russia. Even somehow inconvenient, I pay more for water than gas.
          1. avt
            avt 25 November 2013 13: 23
            +5
            Quote: kaper
            Energy Center of the Skolkovo Business School (Russia).

            ABOUT ! Well then, everything was gone! laughing If Skolkovo is "Hari Krishna" .... it is strong, authoritative!
            Quote: kaper
            I pay less for gas than in Russia. Even as it’s inconvenient, I pay more for water than for gas.

            It's okay, one of the conditions for associating is an increase in gas prices for the population. So this damned and imperial heritage will end soon and live like in Europe. Not long left.
            1. kaper
              kaper 25 November 2013 13: 27
              +1
              So, after all, everything is right there, why subsidies should be for all-rich people who can pay the world price and for the poor. For those in need, there should be targeted assistance.
              1. avt
                avt 25 November 2013 13: 46
                +1
                Quote: kaper
                So, after all, everything is right there, why subsidies should be for all-rich, who can pay the world price and for the poor.

                All buddy privateer, no
                Quote: kaper
                For those in need there should be targeted assistance.

                She died so, beer to union members - a discount on gas to members of the CU. You only
                Quote: avt
                , one of the conditions of association is an increase in gas prices to the population.

                And forget the Imperial Heritage as a dream. laughing
            2. pensioner
              pensioner 25 November 2013 13: 31
              +2
              Quote: avt
              It's okay, one of the conditions for associating is an increase in gas prices for the population. So this damned and imperial heritage will end soon and live like in Europe. Not long left.
              Eh avt! Ahead ...
              Quote: kaper
              said Tatyana Mitrova, head of the World Energy Division at the Energy Center of the Skolkovo Business School (Russia).
              "I give it to you!" - Cola Beldy. Well, I join ... wink
      2. avt
        avt 25 November 2013 13: 18
        +2
        Quote: kaper
        What are you glad about, these "streams" are another divorce of Russia according to the type of Reagan's "star wars." Bury billions and that's it, but no, millions more will be needed to service this scrap metal

        laughing "You can't strangle this song, you can't kill" how many young people sing about it "
        Quote: kaper
        gas pipelines themselves without storage, a waste of money

        Calm down, the Germans have already taken care of the problem of gas storage facilities without you. so get ready to collect scrap metal from your gas transportation system, well, join the "shale gas" sect, your Euriopeans have really gorged themselves on it, but it doesn't matter, you are not used to learning from your mistakes.
        1. kaper
          kaper 25 November 2013 13: 30
          +1
          "The Germans have already taken care of the problem of gas storage facilities without you" - and without you, the same. They will store gas there that is profitable for them and which is cheaper. And how can German storage facilities be tied to the South Stream. And there the picture will be like this - in winter, in peak loads, under the condition of a frosty winter, will swing, and the rest of the time, they will be kept in working order.
          1. avt
            avt 25 November 2013 17: 15
            +1
            Quote: kaper
            and without you the same. They will store gas there which is beneficial to them and which is cheaper.

            And here shish! With the Germans, the GDP has a complete froadshaft. They are still floating in real shares from the North Stream and allowed Gazprom to enter the domestic market, they know how to count money and, unlike you, do not throw out kooks like the Ukrainian State Tax Service, but quietly watch their business interest.
            1. Anthony
              Anthony 25 November 2013 19: 58
              0
              Quote: avt
              And here shish


              Shish say? but when the Ukrainian government said that you should supply gas to Europe yourself, because there is NOT ONE CONTRACT that we should supply gas from the storages to peak loads, then after a week the delegation flew to Kiev to negotiate and immediately disappeared in the news talk about debt for August, because without storage your pipes are just scrap at the bottom of the seas, these pipes will not provide a large volume, and the volume is provided by Ukraine, due to the storage facilities.
              And it’s a pity that you don’t watch your experts on our television lowering their eyes to the floor say that without storage there is no fate!
              There is such a channel "INTER" there was a teleconference with Moscow and everything was clear with an expert from GAZPROM. Russia cannot live without our "cellars"
              1. avt
                avt 25 November 2013 20: 13
                -2
                Quote: Anthony
                There is such a channel "INTER" there was a teleconference with Moscow and everything was clear with an expert from GAZPROM. Russia cannot live without our "cellars"

                According to the old gas transportation system, yes, it has been so technologically laid down since the times of the USSR as a unified transport system, well, the North and South Stream will work quite without Ukraine, here the Serbs are already scurrying around, so it's a matter of time to build. Russia doesn’t work with liquefied gas with Spanish ski instructors. By the way, in light of the onshore part of the South Stream, try to think about why the Croats got so sick of it working with you on the gas terminal, did they cancel their visit to Ukraine the other day? Well, they don’t say leisure time. Although the storage is with you. laughing So bank in the end. It would be different if Yanyk wouldn’t have been bustling with a client about bypass flows and especially the South. So during that time he openly said that they can’t do anything with Severny — if ... well, at least the South would be stopped. But the train left.
                1. Anthony
                  Anthony 25 November 2013 23: 19
                  0
                  Quote: avt
                  would not fuss Yanyk


                  GAZPROM would not have fussed, and the debt for August would not have disappeared sharply.

                  and lastly or not ... time will tell, but I'm sure that people like you will still write, that "bank at last" in thieves' jargon, and how you used the GTS you will still use to beat yourself in the chest and write statements about bypass pipes, which "just about, soon, soon" and Ukraine will not be needed.
  7. smersh70
    smersh70 25 November 2013 10: 51
    +2
    ... it's not your tooth .. it's not even my tooth .... it's its tooth .. laughing this is not European gas .... this is our gas ... fellow why do we make a circle through Europe ... and so on ... voluntarily ...
    by the way ---- another article about Ukraine .... already 3 in terms of quantity. per day ... I am not against articles about it ... but they bet it would be annoying ... soon Yanukovych will become the most popular on the site wassat
  8. Alew
    Alew 25 November 2013 11: 42
    +4
    ... Ukraine and other countries. these are bargaining cards on the path of world domination of America from this goal, it will never refuse, and for this all means are good. Will Ukraine become a strong prosperous country after joining the European Union? Look at Hungary. Romania. Bulgaria Serbia ... In essence, these are neocolonies. And as always. who will live better ???
    1. kaper
      kaper 25 November 2013 13: 04
      0
      Serbia in the EU ..
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 25 November 2013 13: 45
        0
        Quote: kaper
        Serbia in the EU ..
        fool Still on the way there. But looking at the neighbors I was already thinking ...
    2. Paleontologist
      Paleontologist 28 November 2013 23: 45
      0
      Only in these neocolonies do pensioners receive pensions more than in the Russian Federation. And many prices are comparable, or less.
  9. dnh1970
    dnh1970 25 November 2013 12: 13
    0
    Dreams, dreams !!! Who will allow us to resell our gas? And through whose pipes? I have not seen any contracts, but I hope there are such situations ....
    1. kaper
      kaper 25 November 2013 13: 02
      +1
      What dreams are already coming.
  10. kaper
    kaper 25 November 2013 12: 50
    0
    And the most important question that no one asked - why is the price of gas for Slavic, Orthodox, non-aligned Ukraine, where the largest number of Russians live abroad, is higher than for the NATO, Catholic and other hostile faiths, the Anglo-Saxon and with them "Geyrope" ...
    1. Orik
      Orik 25 November 2013 13: 08
      +6
      I will answer. It was necessary to show off less and the second, in the price of gas, is the best rate for your guys.
      1. kaper
        kaper 25 November 2013 13: 12
        -2
        So history will show who is "showing off", although even now it is already showing. And for the set "gesheft, then in proportion if you know about it. Or just a convincing excuse is already difficult to come up with.
        1. Orik
          Orik 25 November 2013 16: 19
          0
          History has already proved everything, such cars were reappeared with their inadequate ambition, the budget of Ukraine is empty. You yelled at the beginning of the 90s Ukraine without Russia will only heal better, mos.kali eat our bread and lard. Now you live much poorer than Belarus, I can’t even compare it with Russia. Only the mind you do not understand this.
          1. Alew
            Alew 25 November 2013 20: 02
            -2
            Quote: Orik
            Only the mind you do not understand this.

            Orik doesn’t have to prove anything to him - this is a cereushka six. enemy. works against our resource. there are many of them.
            1. kaper
              kaper 25 November 2013 21: 01
              0
              "This is the Cereus six. The enemy." - Wake up, it's already 2013 on the street, and you still live with a set of words from the 60s and 70s, the last century. I understand that it was good, the CIA agent wrote and nothing else essentially needed to be explained. And what is there to explain.
              1. Alew
                Alew 25 November 2013 22: 12
                -1
                Quote: kaper} "- wake up, it's already 2013 on the street, and you're still living with a set of words from the 60s and 70s, from the last century. [/ Quote

                I’ll answer you personally - that I am proud of this and there are many of us.
    2. pensioner
      pensioner 25 November 2013 13: 09
      +2
      Quote: kaper
      And the most important question that no one asked - why is the price of gas for Slavic, Orthodox, non-aligned Ukraine, where the largest number of Russians live abroad, is higher than for the NATO, Catholic and other hostile faiths, the Anglo-Saxon and with them "Geyrope" ...

      You soon will shale gas trample. So we must finally cut the dough. Something like this... repeat
    3. Sochi
      Sochi 25 November 2013 13: 27
      +4
      This price was requested by Tymoshennitsa ... She then screamed at every angle about the next overpower and turned the figs towards Russia. Now you are eating the fruits of this overpower.
      1. kaper
        kaper 25 November 2013 13: 32
        0
        It was like - give gas at 500, at 300, as for all, I do not agree.
        1. kaper
          kaper 25 November 2013 13: 34
          0
          And Yanukovych has been asking for a reduction for many years. Even he signed the Kharkiv agreements, but they threw him banally. By the way, his words.
          1. Paleontologist
            Paleontologist 28 November 2013 23: 55
            0
            Now Russia is actively drowning Yanukovych. Do they really not understand that if oranoids seize power, then no one will recognize the legitimacy of the Kharkov agreements.
            And the Kumu / Medvedchuk / presidency shines only if the Russian military stands at all polling stations.
        2. CTEPX
          CTEPX 25 November 2013 15: 10
          +3
          Quote: kaper
          It was like - give gas at 500, at 300, as for all, I do not agree.

          No, it was like - the price of oil is falling, let's abandon the fixed price, but tie it to oil)). She even handed over to Medvedev's business woman Comrade Putin, for which, in fact, she sits)).
          1. kaper
            kaper 25 November 2013 15: 19
            -1
            Then why it wasn’t corrected, it’s not possible, it will kill your industry. If it’s corrected today, it’s taught that it’s impossible in the EU, there will be kapets for industry.
    4. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 25 November 2013 17: 26
      +1
      Quote: kaper
      why is the price of gas for Slavic, Orthodox, non-aligned Ukraine

      And what were you thinking about when you signed the contract? Oh yes, then the oil prices were lower. As I remember, one of your leaders said that a price of $ 120 should be fair
      And still tell me why at a gas price more expensive than in Europe, do you personally pay less than in Russia? Does Naftogaz work at a loss?
      1. kaper
        kaper 25 November 2013 21: 04
        +1
        “And now, tell me why, when the price of gas is more expensive than in Europe, do you personally pay less than in Russia?” - everything is simple, for the needs of housing and communal services, gas is produced of its own.
    5. Paleontologist
      Paleontologist 28 November 2013 23: 49
      0
      Brotherly love - it is worth a lot.
      Sometimes it seems that Gazprom is not serving Russia, but Russia, headed by Putin, is serving Gazprom.
      How else can one explain that for the sake of Gazprom’s short-lived superprofits, Russia so lost its position in Ukraine?
  11. ZU-23
    ZU-23 25 November 2013 13: 55
    +2
    A tough gayrope scam whom you contacted Ukrainians.
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  13. MG42
    MG42 25 November 2013 15: 17
    0
    A bit on the gas topic >>

    MP Zatulin calculated the benefits of Kiev from joining the CU
    State Duma deputy Konstantin Zatulin is confident that if Ukraine joins the Customs Union, the price of gas will be reduced to $ 169 per 1 cubic meters. m. This Zatulin said in Simferopol.
    "We say that we will sell gas to Ukraine at the price at which we sell to Belarus. Now the price of gas for Belarus is 169 dollars per thousand cubic meters. m At the same time, for Ukraine - $ 400. According to economists' estimates, taking into account the gas consumed by Ukraine, it turns out 6 billion a year, "Zatulin said.
    Another point of preference for Ukraine, Zatulin called the abolition of import duties on oil products


    http://www.segodnya.ua/economics/enews/za-okonchatelnyy-otkaz-ot-es-ukraine-pred

    lagayut-gaz-po-169-dollarov-477320.html
    1. kaper
      kaper 25 November 2013 15: 33
      +1
      But if you look, then why the state should deal with the supply of gas for privately owned enterprises. These are the problems of the enterprises themselves. It’s just that some people don’t benefit from this option, another blackmail tool will disappear, and it’s easier with debts. a private company, there are two big differences. And if the gas price is reduced to $ 169, which I doubt very much, I don’t see any direct benefit for Ukraine here. Prices for housing and communal services, in stores, tickets will definitely not go down. But Akhmetov and K, now instead of $ 100 per ton of metal, fertilizers will have 100+ (400-169) = 331, the calculation is rough of course, because you need to take into account the share of gas in the process. But all the gains from this will certainly settle in their pockets.
  14. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 25 November 2013 15: 53
    +2
    I’m reading it here ... They wrote all kinds of garbage! And then the problem of the whole huge and rich Ukraine is only in gas prices! And there are no other problems anymore ... ridiculously by golly!
    Doesn't production get up?
    Unemployment not growing?
    Is the economy not in debt?
    Are citizens satisfied?
    Of all the achievements, only that Julia Telegin was imprisoned for theft ...
    EU Prospects:
    Full end of production!
    The collapse of the economy!
    Massive unemployment!
    Ruined ecology (with shale gas then)
    And many many others...
    ... And Russia, as always, is to blame for the price of Russian gas!
    PS And if in the European Union it will be really bad, Russia will be guilty of one hell!
    Badly invited to the customs union ...
    1. kaper
      kaper 25 November 2013 21: 25
      0
      "Of all the achievements, only that Yulia Telegin was imprisoned for theft ..." - firstly, Tymoshenko, I think this is about her, was not imprisoned for theft. Don't write nonsense. And secondly, you have the first part, how Today it is bad in Ukraine, it does not differ from the second, how bad it will be in association with the EU. So it hinders to try to change something, because it will not be worse. After all, he just sits and does nothing.
  15. uzer 13
    uzer 13 25 November 2013 19: 04
    -1
    Comments are superfluous.
  16. alone
    alone 25 November 2013 19: 39
    0
    what they say in Kiev passions are heating up. trying to storm the Cabinet. as they say, wait and see what happens next.
  17. serge
    serge 25 November 2013 20: 52
    0
    The Russian domestic gas price has long been announced as soon as Ukraine enters the CU. Ukraine’s profit has long been calculated in this case - $ 7,5 billion per year. It is only on gas. According to the Western approach, if this money were promised personally to Yanukovych and Azarov at least for one year, Ukraine would already be in the TS.
  18. Sterlya
    Sterlya 25 November 2013 21: 20
    +1
    all talk about Ukrainians. got it already. when they finally forget about them
  19. Cristall
    Cristall 26 November 2013 02: 36
    +1
    Like we post them! This Boval generally super popular became a VO - then he writes all sorts of things and expresses his opinion. Sometimes I don’t want to comment at all.
    It seems they wrote about who this character is.
    Excuse me to end up with "Ukrainians" The rules of the BO are written for whom? You can't insult other visitors of the resource like that! So we've heard a lot of good and new things!
    About the topic itself. Gas sore extremely nervous and old, bearded topic.
    This is really a problem! Russia is blamed for the price (the price is really higher, even the discount for the Base in Sevastopol is $ 100, still higher than the European one with a smaller shoulder) Russians blame Tymoshenko. It is strange that if both compromised (both governments) Tymoshenko’s deal could not be canceled? It seems that the Kharkov agreements began this process. But in vain. However, the comment above is that cheap gas will not save the father of Ukrainian democracy either. But he’ll stuff someone’s pocket.
    But products will compete
    The price of housing and communal services gas will not decrease for Ukrainians anyway - because it is Ukrainian (gas) Purchased for production (chemistry and metallurgy). The discount affects competitiveness, and this will probably harm Russia itself. So if I were Russian - the price of gas would make Ukraine higher than just a second (competition) But that would be a different story. And I'm not Russian. Born in the USSR.
    In general, you guys would end up with mutual grievances in the topics! Conduct a more constructive conversation without insults and others. Over the months of such articles, you have lost a lot of "brotherly" in my eyes (we are talking about everyone - both Ukrainians and Russians and others)
    1. Sakmagon
      Sakmagon 26 November 2013 06: 42
      +1
      So for the sake of it all is started!
      Not for oil and gas, to which none of the members of the forum HAS ANY RELATIONSHIP, but for the fact that as soon as the discussion of relations between Russia and Ukraine begins, a wild shit immediately begins on the topic of "do it yourself" and "we will not admit, we will not give "! Who will give something? Which of those marked here is related to the gas trade? - with oil? - shale gas production? - distribution of financial flows ???
      They are already winning us, they all have us so that we are ready to cling to each other's throats, thank God that so far only on the Internet, but for how long?
      Are we humans or mongrels on leashes? Are there really no brains ?!