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Democracy with a colt in your pocket. And Ukraine

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Democracy with a colt in your pocket. And UkraineThe suicide of Ukraine, so pompously organized by the European Union, “stops”, maybe even forever, which is very disappointing for its inspirers and organizers - they tried so hard so that everything was on the highest level ... The death room of Ukrainian industry, called “European integration”, was so beautifully decorated with civilized trinkets like “gay rights” and other democratic delusions. He is so reminiscent of the communist gibberish that he takes aback and took Yanukovich and his comrades at the same time ... At the last moment, he “suspended” his visit to the euro room of death.


Now much is said about some kind of bargaining between Ukraine and the European Union, and with Moscow. This is not fair in relation to the European Union. There really is a bargain with Moscow, but Europe has taken a fundamentally different position: bargaining is not appropriate, it’s “historical", A civilizational and other choice, and as far as money and European aid are concerned, they are only promises to" deepen and expand democracy ", which will later turn into all kinds of benefits, but they forget to add: for those who survive the destruction of Ukrainian industry.

Kiev until the last moment did not believe that European democracy was completely gangster, with a colt in its pocket. After all, his neighbor, Poland, was once given a euro-room: all debts were written off, and they were given the same amount of money from above. And Ukraine is more than Poland ... But for Europe, Ukraine is not Poland. If everything were forgiven to Ukraine and given money, it would no longer be suicide, but suicide ordered, so Yanukovich’s bargaining from the very beginning was not appropriate. He just didn’t let him know how it was ... In the end, he understood it, and as a viable person, he refused to go to the room of death for European values.

So, the session of European magic in Ukraine did not take place, and now a session of its exposure will follow. It is unlikely to be avoided because Europe is absolutely predictable: it will continue to sing its song about the “European choice”, and simply will not leave another choice to Yanukovych and his team how to open some details of the “association” with Europe, which the prime minister has already hinted at Minister of Ukraine Azarov, and immediately fell silent.

The West is getting stupid, right along Zadornov, he is no longer capable of a quick maneuver. For the time being, “Europe” will receive instructions from the State Department, while it will prepare new democratic sweets — and time is passing! And the pro-European Yatsenyuk, Lutseni and others will go straight to the slaughter of Yanukovych, who, if something happens, Putin will now back up. In general, “Farewell America”, as Butusov and Geyrop sings!
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  1. Civil
    Civil 25 November 2013 07: 40
    18
    There is an opinion that Ukrainians want to toss everyone, purely out of habit :-) but it doesn’t work, that’s rubbish, the nature is this :-)
    1. atalef
      atalef 25 November 2013 07: 47
      48
      Quote: Civil
      There is an opinion that Ukrainians want to toss everyone, purely out of habit :-) but it doesn’t work, that’s rubbish, the nature is this :-)

      I think it's too early to put an end to this, it is not known where Ukraine turned its shafts, wait and see
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 25 November 2013 07: 54
        +6
        Quote: atalef
        I think it's too early to put an end to this, it is not known where Ukraine turned its shafts, wait and see


        There is such a Malorussian saying: "Old man, finish the torguvati, and give people nothing more." Everything is sold and ready, it remains to sell the brand "Ukraine" itself. So, in fact, where the shafts to turn, there is no choice - to the starting point, to the closing of the project "U".
        1. Nicholas C.
          Nicholas C. 25 November 2013 08: 43
          24
          Merkel did not give money for the "association" of Ukraine. This is more abruptly than any "no".
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 25 November 2013 09: 24
            31
            Whatever writes Alexey Pushkov
            I am in Vienna, where Yanukovych arrived yesterday. Here, the decision of Ukraine is seen as a geopolitical failure of the EU. The press and politics are in shock.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 25 November 2013 09: 42
              27
              Quote: bomg.77
              Whatever writes Alexey Pushkov
              I am in Vienna, where Yanukovych arrived yesterday. Here, the decision of Ukraine is seen as a geopolitical failure of the EU. The press and politics are in shock.

              "... Chef! Everything is gone !!! ..."
              laughing
            2. self-propelled
              self-propelled 25 November 2013 10: 46
              +7
              Quote: bomg.77
              Whatever writes Alexey Pushkov
              I am in Vienna, where Yanukovych arrived yesterday. Here, the decision of Ukraine is seen as a geopolitical failure of the EU. The press and politics are in shock.

              EU failure, US failure ... maybe after all, Russian diplomacy began to work harder ?!
              1. xan
                xan 25 November 2013 12: 04
                +8
                Quote: self-propelled
                EU failure, US failure ... maybe after all, Russian diplomacy began to work harder ?!

                It's just that these uncles are completely morose, they decided that everything will work out anyway, because this is a "civilizational choice"
              2. bomg.77
                bomg.77 25 November 2013 12: 12
                15
                Quote: self-propelled
                EU failure, US failure ... maybe after all, Russian diplomacy began to work harder ?!
                After the Munich speech of V.V. Putin, the jokes were over, it’s not even a failure, it’s a state of grog. Knockout will be an alliance with Germany.
                1. Vasek
                  Vasek 25 November 2013 21: 22
                  0
                  Already there was one alliance with Germany, that's enough.
                  1. bomg.77
                    bomg.77 26 November 2013 06: 27
                    +1
                    Quote: Vasek
                    Already there was one alliance with Germany, that's enough.
                    If this happened, then the EU can be closed, and as a result, NATO. What is bad?
              3. Endrew
                Endrew 25 November 2013 16: 52
                -17 qualifying.
                Diplomacy? laughing
                Blackmail and nothing more!
                1. Victor-M
                  Victor-M 25 November 2013 20: 00
                  +7
                  Quote: Endrew
                  Blackmail and nothing more!

                  All the same, independence is a very expensive pleasure, so there is a chance to preserve it by joining the Customs Union, or to become a "member" of the European gay group.
                  1. Sirocco
                    Sirocco 1 December 2013 04: 16
                    0
                    Quote: Victor-M
                    Quote: Endrew
                    Blackmail and nothing more!

                    All the same, independence is a very expensive pleasure, so there is a chance to preserve it by joining the Customs Union, or to become a "member" of the European gay group.

                    What kind of independence are we talking about? Will an independent state swearingly report to the US and EU ambassadors about the dispersal of the gop stop campaign from the Maidan? Against this background, I noticed such a strangeness from the world community, in Thailand there were pogroms, dispersal of rallies, and IIIhinaaaa. Double standards again.
                2. Val_y
                  Val_y 26 November 2013 00: 53
                  +4
                  Duc, what is diplomacy - "lies, threats and blackmail" and that's it fool
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                4. I am a Russian
                  I am a Russian 26 November 2013 11: 40
                  -2
                  Quote: Endrew
                  Blackmail and nothing more!


                  for Ukraine this is typical. Often starts to move.
                  1. Endrew
                    Endrew 27 November 2013 01: 05
                    -2
                    Actually, I'm talking about Russia!
                    1. kostiknet
                      kostiknet 28 November 2013 13: 00
                      +2
                      Quote: Endrew
                      Actually, I'm talking about Russia!

                      But if the "brother-neighbor" "does not see the banks", is rude and steals? It’s not a sin to "lower it to the ground", otherwise, in pursuit of pido-values, they completely forgot what planet they were on and what place they had here. Of course, it was possible to communicate with Ukraine in the spirit of "democratic values", as Americans and toad-eaters do this when they hurt their interests. But to bomb your own brother, even though he had eaten, is somehow not out of hand. So what you call blackmail from Russia is just a generally accepted move in world politics. I am ashamed of you, as a person who has comprehended the science of turning on a computer and realizing the purpose of buttons, not to know and not understand such elementary things.
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            3. alex13-61
              alex13-61 25 November 2013 17: 36
              0
              Quote: bomg.77
              writes Alexey Pushkov
              I am in Vienna, where Yanukovych arrived yesterday. Here, the decision of Ukraine is seen as a geopolitical failure of the EU. The press and politics are in shock

              Or maybe they will throw some money, since they are so worried ...
              1. bomg.77
                bomg.77 25 November 2013 18: 30
                +6
                Quote: alex13-61
                Or maybe they will throw some money, since they are so worried ...
                They will not cover all losses. Merkel is meeting with Putin now, maybe she will make a proposal, I don’t know. Maybe Putin will also offer her to join the Customs Union and she will agreewassat
          2. Lesnik
            Lesnik 25 November 2013 22: 28
            11
            Well, something like this laughing
            1. Starik63
              Starik63 26 November 2013 00: 19
              +2
              Straight to the bullseye !!! Just great!
            2. kostiknet
              kostiknet 28 November 2013 13: 02
              0
              and reduce the number of Indians (voice-overs) repeat
        2. Korben
          Korben 25 November 2013 13: 01
          -20 qualifying.
          Listen to you, so in Ukraine everything is bad, very bad! So why then does Russia need it, so poor and poor?
          1. Andrew-001
            Andrew-001 25 November 2013 14: 48
            35
            Quote: Korben
            So why does Russia need it then, so poor and poor

            They are brothers to us. But we Russians do not abandon our own.
            1. Korben
              Korben 25 November 2013 15: 10
              23
              Thanks for the right words!
              1. Cherdak
                Cherdak 25 November 2013 17: 57
                +6
                Isn't it time to swing at the Subtelny Line?

                http://kr-eho.info/index.php?name=News&op=article&sid=3651
                1. yur
                  yur 25 November 2013 20: 24
                  +1
                  And to whom then half? Geyram? Fig to them, we’ll give ourselves back!
                2. heathen
                  heathen 27 November 2013 17: 44
                  +1
                  I do not like this line. I do not want to geyropu.
                  And the constitution explicitly states that Ukraine is an indivisible country. This means that whoever taps into its section carries a threat to internal security and is automatically a client of the relevant departments.
              2. ios87
                ios87 1 December 2013 16: 45
                0
                Quote: Korben
                Listen to you, so in Ukraine everything is bad, very bad! So why then does Russia need it, so poor and poor?

                Most, including myself in Russia, consider Ukrainians their brothers and sisters. Come with us, because we are always with you ....
            2. kaper
              kaper 25 November 2013 20: 03
              -1
              As then, the above fits in with the price of gas.
              1. kostiknet
                kostiknet 28 November 2013 13: 05
                0
                just like with the price of oil (ask in the UAE, they will answer there))))
            3. Anthony
              Anthony 25 November 2013 20: 06
              -20 qualifying.
              Quote: Andrew-001
              They are brothers to us.


              You at least do not tell the people! Brothers ... Brothers you have Belarusians. Ukraine is not a brother and no matchmaker no one! Forget such a stupid degeneration, Kazakhs and Hindus with Syrians you brothers.
              You with such slogans and walk on Khreshchatyk ... They laugh at the bale, poke it in the face and throw it wherever you are ...
              "20 years ago it was necessary to say so, and not to the new Ukrainians in whom you, with your malice towards Ukraine, raised aversion to the words" BROTHER "
              1. Sakmagon
                Sakmagon 25 November 2013 20: 39
                16
                Anthony UA Today, 20: 06 ↑ New
                Ukraine is not a brother and no matchmaker no one! Forget such a stupid degeneration, Kazakhs and Hindus with Syrians you brothers.
                You with such slogans and walk on Khreshchatyk ... They laugh at the bale, poke it in the face and throw it wherever you are ...

                Stop lying! Maybe during a rally of black-and-white, and in a separate apartment in Kharkov. And in our Donbass just for such a snout they can baptize!
                1. Anthony
                  Anthony 25 November 2013 21: 03
                  -16 qualifying.
                  Quote: Sacmagon
                  they can baptize such a snout!



                  Donbass - not all of Ukraine. Baptize to health! And about lies, you are visiting us, the benefit is not far away. Kharkov is near, and the difference is also near, because there is no more European city than Kharkov, and Donbass lived like a union, even if it lives like it.
                  I've seen enough in the Donbass, drop dead live! Bottom ... just bottom
                  1. IGS
                    IGS 26 November 2013 07: 22
                    0
                    I already wrote, maybe some people like me do not like Ukrainians in Russia, but this is rather a shallow annoyance with a neighbor, but we hope we will never sink to such anger and hatred as Westerners have towards Russia. And yet, about the "bottom", such as you, on "You" are not worthy, not only against the unification of truly fraternal peoples, God is with him, you are a sovereign country, and you have the legal right to self-determination, but the wildest you and your country ready to tear apart and distribute to pieces, and it does not matter to whom Russia, Poland, the EU ... your comment is the best confirmation of that, a bawler.
                    1. Anthony
                      Anthony 26 November 2013 16: 36
                      +2
                      Quote: IGS
                      .comment is your best confirmation of that, gorlopan.


                      Yes, it’s just you who are the throat ... But the wild, not the wild, should not touch, take care of your country, which is crumbling and can’t really build, have already dropped so much that you can’t even think of a torch, it will go dead!
                      So, when you help yourself, then try to tell something if there is something, and so ... You are garazd to tear your throat, but in fact what? Yes, not what ...
                      1. IGS
                        IGS 26 November 2013 22: 46
                        0
                        Soothing drink laughing , otherwise the heart will not stand it, and you will burn out, poor thing, at work. And about the torch ... yeah, there is a problem ... about the country ... Your country, or rather the project "Ukraine", is bankrupt. and what is happening now is just a section of the leftovers, who will buy it cheaper, do you really think that the Ukrainians are deciding something? You missed yours, passing .. into the country. Even at a press conference today, the fate and future of Ukraine were discussed by Putin and someone from the EU, for some reason I did not see someone from Ukraine there, it is significant. The question is no longer even worth under whom Ukraine will choose to lie, you and the chance of choice have been ruined, they decide for you and without you. So yes ... I agree with the torch, the problem came out ... and they also paid for it the cost of a rather large piece of Ukraine winked
                      2. Anthony
                        Anthony 26 November 2013 23: 28
                        0
                        [quote = IGS] Soothing drink laughing , otherwise the heart cannot stand it, and you will burn, poor thing, at work.


                        What is this your devastation? An old woman with a stick? Did the witch who knocked out all the glass put out all the lamps? Yes, it does not exist at all. What do you mean by this word? [...] This is what: if, instead of operating every evening, I start singing in my apartment in a chorus, I will fall into ruin. If I enter the restroom, I’ll start, sorry for the expression, urinate past the toilet and Zina and Daria Petrovna will do the same, the restroom will begin to collapse. Therefore, the devastation is not in the closets, but in the heads. So, when these baritones shout “beat the devastation!” - I am laughing. [...] I swear to you, it’s funny to me! This means that each of them must hit his neck! And so, when he hatches out all sorts of hallucinations and engages in cleaning his sheds - his direct business - the devastation will disappear by itself. Two gods cannot be served! It is impossible at one time to sweep the tram tracks and arrange the fate of some Spanish ragged men! Nobody succeeds in this, the doctor, and even more so for people who, in general, are 200 years behind the Europeans, still still have not quite confidently fastened their own pants!


                        If you know where these words come from, then this is good, but if you also understand the meaning ... then I will respect the Russians ...
                        I repeat once again - help yourself! And then poke your nose to the neighbors when the devastation itself is not beautiful and extremely tactless.
                        And why are you bothering so if everything is so bad here? It is our business how we live!
                        You defeat your devastation and do not meddle in the affairs of another country
                      3. Spnsr
                        Spnsr 26 November 2013 23: 36
                        0
                        where is the devastation? have you ever been in Russia? I doubt it! yes on a drum to your devastation, behave with dignity, "Slavs", bl I
                      4. IGS
                        IGS 26 November 2013 23: 37
                        0
                        And it’s been flattering you like that for a long time laughing As for your respect, it is to me, as well as to many. In general, scatter from here. And then he decided to make dibs on me for his comments. Share or get out.
                      5. Anthony
                        Anthony 26 November 2013 23: 46
                        0
                        Quote: IGS
                        And it’s been flattering you like that for a long time laughing As for your respect, it is to me, as well as to many. In general, scatter from here. And then he decided to make dibs on me for his comments. Share or get out.


                        one more lost ... Are you all Russians all rolled into one
                        ? I wrote about everyone! and you are not great bipod to respect you alone.
                        And about the text above ... Read books, classics, and Russian. Two on literature ...
                      6. IGS
                        IGS 27 November 2013 00: 07
                        0
                        Oh thank you. But do you have the right to rate ... Remember your recent comment with a photo?
                        He is a civilian plane. Here he is, in a civilian version, I took pictures
                        Are these all your photos? http://sfw.so/1148986643-harkovskiy-aviacionnyy-zavod-85-let-chast-1.html I'm just interested ...
                      7. Anthony
                        Anthony 27 November 2013 00: 16
                        0
                        Quote: IGS
                        Are these all your photos?


                        No, not mine, my and I’m just looking at photos, as they were taken on the same day, but mine used to be, even before the people came. I don’t post mine as a post, here on the site I can share it.
                      8. IGS
                        IGS 27 November 2013 00: 21
                        0
                        Share, without sarcasm, it is interesting to see how they have it. True, they are old. If you can not pathetic.
                      9. Anthony
                        Anthony 27 November 2013 00: 23
                        0
                        [quote = IGS] whatever they have [/ quote

                        Do they have? I mean, because I work at this factory.
                        And why the old ones? Photos taken last year, this was a pity
                      10. Spnsr
                        Spnsr 27 November 2013 00: 29
                        +1
                        stop getting smart, share already smile
                      11. IGS
                        IGS 27 November 2013 00: 37
                        +1
                        Those kind of made two years ago. The truth lay out, it’s not for me specifically, here many will be interested.
                      12. Anthony
                        Anthony 27 November 2013 00: 47
                        0
                        Quote: IGS
                        here many will be interested.


                        I understand, but somehow the topic of politics with Ukrainian aviation ... is not the topic, there will be a topic related to the BTA, I will post it and tell what I know myself. By the way, they began to produce a new airplane, a two-seater.
                        I’ll just say that modernization of production is underway, new machines are being imported, a new painting department has been built, and a titanium etching workshop has been created.
                      13. builder
                        builder 27 November 2013 00: 55
                        0
                        Quote: Anthony
                        I’ll just say that modernization of production is underway, new machines are being imported, a new painting department has been built, and a titanium etching workshop has been created.

                        Does everything comply with EU standards?
                      14. Anthony
                        Anthony 27 November 2013 00: 59
                        0
                        Quote: stroitel
                        EU?



                        was it worth asking?
                      15. builder
                        builder 27 November 2013 01: 06
                        0
                        Perhaps they will ask soon. I would not have to redo it or even close it.
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                  2. Spnsr
                    Spnsr 27 November 2013 01: 01
                    +1
                    Yes, it’s even more likely not that which corresponds or not, but whose business? and where are they going to sell it, on which market, because according to the press, Russia made proposals for the joint development of the aviation industry, and many other industries
                  3. builder
                    builder 27 November 2013 02: 10
                    0
                    yes it’s even more likely not that it matches or not

                    Ukrainian experts estimate that modernization to EU production standards will cost the country at least € 150-165 billion.
              2. IGS
                IGS 27 November 2013 01: 04
                0
                About the "KhAZ-30" in the course, you started it more than a year ago, but somehow it goes hard with it, and very little has been released. All the same, this is a by-product for such a plant, this is, no offense, a hang glider with a kart motor. So I wonder what's really new.
  2. Spnsr
    Spnsr 26 November 2013 23: 03
    +1
    all the guys! Poland you 1939 laughing
  3. ytqnhfk
    ytqnhfk 27 November 2013 01: 03
    +2
    Adults, but how little! The main thing is not that - I am sure we will be able to live and work shoulder to shoulder as, for example, we do it with the Kazakhs or the same Tatarstan, why did Ukraine decide that we want to enslave you "to erase" as a self-sufficient people? tell us have we done it before? I think we will not do it now !!!! Damn, compare with Latvia Lithuania what happened after integration and think not about yourself but about the country and your grandchildren where will they live and how? how does greece beg for the next tranche of food? turn on the brain, start thinking for yourself and not copy the advertising of posters and those who pull you there, they are bought by them, it will be sweet, you are unlikely!
  4. kostiknet
    kostiknet 28 November 2013 13: 29
    0
    Quote: ytqnhfk
    what happened after integration and think not about yourself but about the country and your grandchildren where they will live and how

    Recently on "Euronews" (a TV channel such, European by the way) there was an essay about European fish, which are FORBIDDEN to fish !!! They are so happy about European integration! The nets are rotting, the ships are almost "rusted" to zero, if you sell a license, you can't buy it back (not yay !!!), there are no prospects ... And in the store there is an expensive Norwegian fish, caught according to the words "aborigines" in their waters and an inscription on a piece of paper at the cash register: We do not lend money anymore! And the same trouble throughout fucking United Europe. The dream of a European, not life! And Ukraine wants to go to this swamp? Who needs Ukrainian goods in Europe? The same cheap labor force is not needed (there are so many Arabs who have arrived that it is time to think about the "French European Caliphate") What does the euro integration give, except for "European freedoms" (fucking not needed by the Europeans themselves)? to put up the country's Zh0PU for an international tender?
  • Val_y
    Val_y 26 November 2013 00: 56
    +1
    Yes, and in Odessa, the integration rally of gay lads was dispersed soldier
  • I am a Russian
    I am a Russian 26 November 2013 11: 56
    +1
    Quote: Anthony
    "20 years ago it was necessary to say so


    And 20 years ago ... and for 20 years ... and now there are people in Russia who call Ukrainians brothers.


    Quote: Anthony
    not new Ukrainians


    "New Ukrainians" are the children of "old Ukrainians"?
    and the "old Ukrainians" are those who lived in the Ukrainian SSR?
  • carver
    carver 25 November 2013 16: 59
    +4
    Quote: Korben
    Listen to you, so in Ukraine everything is bad, very bad! So why then does Russia need it, so poor and poor?


    And you read the history of the development of Russia after the Moscow Principality came to a leading role. A very similar situation with what is happening to our people now, another round of the history of the fragmentation of the Russian state and the collection of land.
  • Alekseev
    Alekseev 25 November 2013 19: 23
    +6
    Quote: Korben
    Listen to you, so in Ukraine everything is bad, very bad! So why then does Russia need it, so poor and poor?

    You can do it not bad, but good! And for Russia, and for Ukraine.
    How to do a lot has already told Glazyev and others. There are options.
    But the United States and their EU henchmen, Ukrainian affairs are not so important: they, for example, have no millions of relatives in Ukraine.
    It is important for them to tear Ukraine away from Russia harder, thereby weakening a potential competitor. That's all. yes It is a pity that people in Kiev, screaming and rushing at the police, do not understand this, the vast majority of whom have not even read the text of the association agreement with the EU.
  • Victor-M
    Victor-M 25 November 2013 20: 02
    0
    Quote: Korben
    Listen to you, so in Ukraine everything is bad, very bad!

    That would not be even worse for you.
  • Starik63
    Starik63 25 November 2013 20: 10
    +5
    Yes, not a beggar, she, and not bad at all !! Long-suffering beyond measure !! Well, how much more is this holy land that has fed and reconciled the mass of peoples and nationalities for centuries, absorbed the desire for peace and good neighborliness, spilled on it with unimaginable amounts of blood, not hardened by the terrible suffering that has befallen it, will dutifully endure the bullying of a handful of European delegates fed up from OUN nipples and other evil spirits ?? !!! When will the spirit of the Zaporizhzhya’s perch rise and demolish corrupt reptiles ?!
    Why do we need it? I will be responsible for myself and nothing more. She is my homeland. And many, and many, and many are already Russians. How to Take Roots Out of Yourself? A tree without roots falls, the bush dries up, and the grass does not grow. And you ask "why"?
  • yur
    yur 25 November 2013 20: 18
    0
    Because dear.
  • Shur
    Shur 25 November 2013 22: 43
    0
    Brotherly love, more precisely the same as that of normal in the family. Do not catch in Europopey. laughing
  • heathen
    heathen 27 November 2013 17: 40
    0
    Actually, yes. In Ukraine now everything is exactly that very bad.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 25 November 2013 08: 01
    14
    Quote: atalef
    I think it's too early to put an end to this, it is not known where Ukraine turned its shafts, wait and see

    Hello Sasha! This is the second time that you say that the mustache is gone. Ukraine will not be able to economically turn its rake into the EU - this is possible only with the condition that the Ukrainian economy collapses. Losses in our market are not replenished, provided that the budget is taken depending on whether Ukraine receives a loan or not . They got back to where they started, with only huge losses in the economy. And it was, just an attempt at rapprochement with the EU hi
    1. DEMENTIY
      DEMENTIY 25 November 2013 09: 35
      +9
      Alexander, and after all, the GDP nevertheless furnished gays. hi Did I tell you? Spoke! Less talking, more business - the valve and the border had to be fastened earlier. Our founding fathers only understand the language of hitting their personal pockets.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 25 November 2013 09: 40
        +5
        Quote: DEMENTIY
        Alexander, and after all, the GDP nevertheless furnished gays. Did I tell you? Spoke!

        Who are you writing to?
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 25 November 2013 09: 48
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          and after all, the GDP has nevertheless furnished gays.

          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Who are you writing to?

          He probably wrote to himself. Hello Alexander hi
          1. Simon
            Simon 25 November 2013 11: 22
            +1
            Most likely he himself did not understand what he wrote and to whom he wrote. laughing Probably was under the hop. wassat
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 25 November 2013 13: 09
            +1
            Quote: Apollon
            He probably wrote to himself

            Hi Apollo! Yes, there is Karish, and he is also Sanya laughing
            1. atalef
              atalef 25 November 2013 13: 22
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Quote: Apollon
              He probably wrote to himself

              Hi Apollo! Yes, there is Karish, and he is also Sanya laughing

              Sasha, a shark died off the coast of Sinai in an unequal struggle with cheers by patriots, her eternal memory, Amen crying
              1. Uncle
                Uncle 25 November 2013 16: 02
                +3
                Quote: atalef
                shark died off the coast of Sinai

                Is the shark dead? Or mutated into a bat? (flying Ukrainian Misha) smile
                1. heathen
                  heathen 27 November 2013 17: 52
                  0
                  Quote: Uncle
                  (flying Ukrainian Misha) smile

                  Nope. In Ukrainian, the bat is kazhan.
      2. dm98
        dm98 25 November 2013 11: 34
        +9
        Quote: DEMENTIY
        and after all, the GDP has nevertheless furnished gays. hi


        I would like to hope that furnished!

        EU tasks are exactly the same as US tasks. Weaken Russia, and at the same time its allies!
        What do we have now: The economy of Ukraine is weakened? Weakened! They really wanted to destroy it, but it turned out so well. Further more, now Russia will make concessions to Ukraine, again incurring losses! Which is good for the USA and Europe again.
        And all this is thickly seasoned with the sauce "the damned Muscovites are to blame for everything!"
        So this is not Putin’s victory, this is a defeat with the most favorable consequences. The battle is ahead! And unfortunately its outcome largely depends on the politicians of Ukraine
        1. goldfinger
          goldfinger 25 November 2013 12: 44
          +4
          Quote: dm98
          So this is not Putin’s victory, this is a defeat with the most favorable consequences. The battle is ahead!

          Neighbor Belarus. Our Old Man has been bred Putin for many years, and Yanukovych the worse?
          1. 31231
            31231 25 November 2013 13: 29
            +1
            Old Man told you about this in private?
            1. dm98
              dm98 25 November 2013 14: 20
              +1
              Quote: 31231
              Old Man told you about this in private?

              Are you blind and deaf?
              In order to understand this, you do not need to talk with the Old Man one-on-one.
          2. dm98
            dm98 25 November 2013 14: 18
            -3
            [/ Quote]
            Neighbor Belarus. Our Old Man how many years has been bred Putin, and Yanukovych the worse? [/ Quote]
            dad already bought!
            the only thing I don’t understand is the interest of Kazakhstan
            1. alone
              alone 25 November 2013 20: 18
              0
              Quote: dm98
              the only thing I don’t understand is the interest of Kazakhstan


              and Nazarbayev breeds both.

              East is a delicate matter wassat
          3. ytqnhfk
            ytqnhfk 27 November 2013 01: 11
            0
            He doesn’t bred and agrees, although it’s sometimes very difficult, but the old man is a clever guy who immediately clears up what they do to the corrupt people in the West after they leave, they not only have but have a lot of examples to give to the grave board!
        2. dm98
          dm98 25 November 2013 17: 01
          0
          Quote: dm98
          Quote: DEMENTIY
          hi




          EU tasks are exactly the same as US tasks. Weaken Russia, and at the same time its allies!
          What do we have now: The economy of Ukraine is weakened? Weakened! They really wanted to destroy it, but it turned out so well. Further more, now Russia will make concessions to Ukraine, again incurring losses! Which is good for the USA and Europe again.
          And all this is thickly seasoned with the sauce "the damned Muscovites are to blame for everything!"
          So this is not Putin’s victory, this is a defeat with the most favorable consequences. The battle is ahead! And unfortunately its outcome largely depends on the politicians of Ukraine


          but the confirmation of my words arrived in time))))
          http://www.dni.ru/economy/2013/11/25/264693.html
    2. atalef
      atalef 25 November 2013 11: 48
      13
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Quote: atalef
      I think it's too early to put an end to this, it is not known where Ukraine turned its shafts, wait and see

      Hello Sasha! This is the second time that you say that the mustache is gone. Ukraine will not be able to economically turn its rake into the EU - this is possible only with the condition that the Ukrainian economy collapses. Losses in our market are not replenished, provided that the budget is taken depending on whether Ukraine receives a loan or not . They got back to where they started, with only huge losses in the economy. And it was, just an attempt at rapprochement with the EU hi

      Sanya, hello, I’m not saying that everything is lost, I have already said that I personally absolutely care where Ukraine will be in the EU or the CU, the only thing that worries me is the health of the wife’s parents and the quality and quantity of fat in Kiev markets. I say that far from everything is clear with Ukraine, in my opinion Yanukovych is simply bargaining, he wants to enter the EU without releasing Tymoshenko from prison, or review the gas contract, and then jerk. Therefore, I’m saying it’s too early to put a point, by the way, we have one more company for flights to Ukraine, and prices may drop by half, which in general is good. Tk will give me the opportunity to fly there just to buy lard, I love this product damn it and it ends with me somehow quickly crying
      1. So_o_tozh
        So_o_tozh 25 November 2013 12: 17
        +4
        Quote: atalef
        Tk will give me the opportunity to fly there just to buy lard, I love this product damn it and it ends with me somehow quickly crying

        So we’ll be happy, we really need to know who to buy from, right now we got the infection, steroid supplements for the rapid growth of pigs, 120 kg gained weight and a knife, and then the liver creeps out ...
        1. atalef
          atalef 25 November 2013 12: 41
          +3
          Quote: So_o_tozh
          Quote: atalef
          Tk will give me the opportunity to fly there just to buy lard, I love this product damn it and it ends with me somehow quickly crying

          So we’ll be happy, we really need to know who to buy from, right now we got the infection, steroid supplements for the rapid growth of pigs, 120 kg gained weight and a knife, and then the liver creeps out ...

          She chooses this mother-in-law, she is an expert with us, she feels at a distance and never makes mistakes, but in general I really like Kiev, a cool city and people are wonderful, my daughter gave way to the metro - in Europe there isn’t such a thing good
      2. samoletil18
        samoletil18 25 November 2013 13: 06
        +1
        atalef: Yanukovych

        It seems to me that this is not a typo (it turned out the noun of the 3rd declension, i.e. feminine). From me +, smartly, however.
        I sometimes make lard myself. Everyone likes. But as someone who brings it from Ukraine, nobody touches mine anymore (me too). It seems that among the ancestors Ukrainians were. hi
      3. AlNikolaich
        AlNikolaich 25 November 2013 13: 06
        +5
        Quote: atalef
        Tk will give me the opportunity to fly there just to buy lard, I love this product damn it and it ends with me somehow quickly

        Do you take kosher fat? belay
        1. atalef
          atalef 25 November 2013 13: 28
          27
          Quote: AlNikolaich
          Quote: atalef
          Tk will give me the opportunity to fly there just to buy lard, I love this product damn it and it ends with me somehow quickly

          Do you take kosher fat? belay

          Of course, the pig was scratched about the corner of the synagogue
  • cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 25 November 2013 08: 35
    +3
    Quote: atalef
    where Ukraine has turned its shafts, wait and see

    That is yes. But shaw, Ukraine has many options? Now, if common sense does not win, then the death of Ukraine will be longer, more painful, and even with the blood of the main characters (I will not specify the characters).
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 25 November 2013 08: 38
      +2
      Quote: cherkas.oe
      and even with the blood of the main characters (I will not specify the characters).

      But in vain, it would be possible to announce the list
      1. predator.3
        predator.3 25 November 2013 09: 20
        +6
        УKraina now looks like that monkey, from the anecdote, "Why should I be torn or something?"
        1. domokl
          domokl 25 November 2013 10: 35
          +7
          Quote: predator.3
          Ukraine now looks like that monkey, from the anecdote, "Why should I be torn or something?"

          You, probably without suspecting it yourself, gave a precise definition of the situation in Ukraine. Most of the colleagues on the site are sure that the Ukrainian people are sleeping and seeing themselves in the TS. But in reality, Ukraine is torn apart almost equally on this issue. And the current decision of Yanukovych will cause, more precisely, already caused outrage in a huge part of Ukrainians.
          It seems to me that it’s too early to throw hats up. We will wait for the end of the meeting ... Yanukovych is so cunning that, it is quite possible, the signing will still take place. Not in the format as planned, but will take place. beautiful is, in order to prevent a civil war in the country.
          And the most important thing now is to find out if Putin and Merkel met or talked ... For whatever, everyone understands. It will depend on what will happen next ...
        2. ATATA
          ATATA 25 November 2013 10: 56
          18
          Quote: predator.3
          УKraina now looks like that monkey, from the anecdote, "Why should I be torn or something?"
          1. silver_roman
            silver_roman 25 November 2013 12: 19
            +8
            Picture in topic:
          2. Korben
            Korben 25 November 2013 13: 13
            -2
            If only obsr.t! Yes brothers ?!
            1. Orik
              Orik 25 November 2013 13: 20
              15
              Absolutely not, your same power makes body movements back and forth. It’s not so nice when the brothers lead like that. We are one people, the sooner we understand everything, the better we will live.
              1. Korben
                Korben 25 November 2013 14: 08
                +6
                I, too, am not pleased when unilaterally, mud is pouring on all the people of Ukraine and the majority on this site claps their hands!
                1. Orik
                  Orik 25 November 2013 14: 19
                  +2
                  Where about the people? I definitely do not think that the people of Ukraine are a subject of government. Obyut leadership, this does not take away.
                  1. Korben
                    Korben 25 November 2013 15: 08
                    0
                    You carefully read the comments! I understand when they criticize the authorities! But when the Ukrainian people are humiliated - it’s not beautiful, boorish!
                  2. Orik
                    Orik 25 November 2013 15: 53
                    +6
                    Show where people are humiliated. If someone humiliates a people, he humiliates himself, we are one people!
                  3. Korben
                    Korben 25 November 2013 16: 38
                    +1
                    Civil (2) RU Today, 07:40
                    There is an opinion that Ukrainians want to toss everyone, purely out of habit :-) but it doesn’t work, that’s rubbish, the nature is this :-)
                    Read, still find.
                  4. Orik
                    Orik 25 November 2013 17: 58
                    +5
                    It can be admitted, but most likely the "Ukrainians" mean your "elite". Let's ask what to guess. I just don’t understand how my two aunts, four cousins ​​and nephews want to throw me out. request Moreover, I voluntarily help one of my aunts periodically.
                  5. Korben
                    Korben 25 November 2013 20: 25
                    +3
                    I am glad that there are adequate people who understand and respect! Will be with us, come visit! drinks
                  6. Spnsr
                    Spnsr 25 November 2013 23: 59
                    0
                    I can’t understand Ukraine, there is something for independence, I don’t know the truth what it is, for independence, but what Europe is both? that no one stands for independent development then?
                  7. Orik
                    Orik 26 November 2013 00: 34
                    +4
                    laughing I am in Ukraine at home, and thanks for the offer. drinks More than Ukrainian lands than Poltava and Zhytomyr regions is difficult to come up with.
              2. Vasek
                Vasek 25 November 2013 21: 42
                +3
                Don't be mad, friend! You can find such unfortunate people in every team!
          3. DEfindER
            DEfindER 25 November 2013 17: 10
            +4
            Quote: Korben
            I understand when they criticize the authorities! But when the Ukrainian people are humiliated - it’s not beautiful, boorish!

            I do not know where you saw the humiliation of the peoples of Ukraine, but I am simply humanly sorry for your people, all of whose Ukrainians I know are wonderful people, and I have great respect for your people. But the fact that you have this is a real betrayal, the rygov party, as you call it, having come to power on pro-Russian slogans, continued to follow the path of the orange Yuschi .. with all its might, preventing the 2 great nations from uniting .. I just wish so that real people's power would finally appear in Ukraine, before it's too late ..
        3. morpex
          morpex 25 November 2013 23: 47
          10
          Quote: Orik
          Where about the people?

          ORIC! You always normal and understandable comments, for that special RESPEKT.NO PLEASE DO NOT protect these gloating TSINIKOV.ONI have in mind the names of all Ukrainians And not some ELITU.YA HERE ARE NOT THE FIRST YEAR AND ALWAYS ABOUT ordinary Russians is revoked and I will be revoked only HEAT AND WITH LOVE. BECAUSE I LOVE RUSSIA AND ITS PEOPLE, WHICH I CAN'T TELL ABOUT YOUR POWER.
          LAST, I WOULD LIKE TO BRING AN APPEAL S.M .:
        4. Orik
          Orik 26 November 2013 23: 49
          +3
          Unfortunately, the information pressure makes itself felt, but we are one people and we must be able to forgive each other. Otherwise, Milosevic’s words may become reality. After all, from Ukraine they do not always write pleasant things, it is also unpleasant for us when the brothers treat us mercantile, or even gloat in our falls.
          Despite everything, we need to be together. Look at the question, will you go to defend Belarus 93% answered "yes".
    2. Anthony
      Anthony 25 November 2013 20: 09
      -2
      Quote: Korben
      claps his hands!



      And so all the time ... here is the indicator of "brotherhood" in the face of "brothers" and in the back anything will fly ...
    3. heathen
      heathen 27 November 2013 18: 19
      0
      [quote] I, too, am not pleased when unilaterally pouring dirt on the whole people of Ukraine and the majority on this site clap their hands! [/ quote]
      In fairness, I must say that this dirt does not flow unilaterally.

      There is such a not at all funny Ukrainian joke.
      "If in Russian anecdotes Ukrainians are most often presented as cunning and greedy, in Ukrainian (Western Ukrainian - approx.) Anecdotes Russians are most often seen as dead."
      On the one hand, banter, on the other - hatred. This is a small touch, but a bright indicator of relationships.

      I don’t want to offend anyone with this answer, just as for me this is a visual aid on the mechanism of hidden propaganda. Everyone can better see the log in the eye of a neighbor, this is understandable. But to incite hatred on this ground, saying that they say they offend me here - it’s kind of a bastard too much ... [quote = Korben] For the sake of justice, I must say that this dirt does not flow unilaterally.

      There is such a completely unfunny Ukrainian joke.
      "If in Russian anecdotes Ukrainians are most often presented as cunning and greedy, in Ukrainian (Western Ukrainian - approx.) Anecdotes Russians are most often seen as dead."
      On the one hand, banter, on the other hand, hatred. The brightest indicators are usually small strokes.

      I don’t want to offend anyone with this answer, just as for me this is a visual aid on the mechanism of hidden propaganda. Everyone can better see the log in the eye of a neighbor, this is understandable. But to incite hatred on this basis, saying that, they say, everyone here offends the poor, unhappy - it’s like a bastard too much ...
  • silver_roman
    silver_roman 25 November 2013 13: 35
    +5
    since our power is on us, we are far from such talents!
  • kaper
    kaper 25 November 2013 20: 12
    -9
    And not only, the principle applies - the worse Ukraine is, the better Russia is. It is necessary for self-assertion and comparison. And this did not begin with the beginning of Ukraine’s European integration process. Russia has been initiating trade wars for ten years and they don’t see the edge. Even with Belarus, a member of the CU, managed to fight for milk.
    1. Orik
      Orik 26 November 2013 23: 54
      0
      Let's unite and no merchant warrior, and corruption steers both from us and from us. It must be understood that if we are divided, then everyone pursues their own interests, and the war began with the unwillingness of your government to pay the market price for the same gas. Don't take problems out of context.
    2. heathen
      heathen 27 November 2013 18: 35
      +1
      1. Trade sanctions are a common political and economic tool in the modern world. Offended by this is stupid. Ukraine also restricts the import of products from different countries, including Russia. Another thing is that you won’t scare Russia like that.
      2. Ukraine in the same way limited Belarusian milk. There is nothing to politically share with Belarus. So for good reason, see.
  • Shur
    Shur 25 November 2013 22: 54
    0
    Yes lan te .. Nothing nobody wants acre of happiness ..
  • morpex
    morpex 25 November 2013 23: 30
    -4
    Quote: Korben
    If only obsr.t! Yes brothers ?!

    DO NOT TAKE IT INTO THE HEAD. THIS IS A TYPE OF PEOPLE. IMPROVED AND WELL WHEN OTHERS HAVE ANYTHING. ALSO HELP THESE PEOPLE WITH A CINNAL LAUGHTER YOU WILL BE ADDRESSED. TRY NOT TO CLICK .IM FROM THIS GOOD AND YOURSELF MOOD Spoil.
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  • Orik
    Orik 25 November 2013 13: 18
    +2
    In any case, there will still be side-to-side throwing. Read the story of the Hetman, Mazep is only one episode.
  • seller trucks
    seller trucks 25 November 2013 09: 51
    11
    let myself repeat (posted on friday)MP Oleg Tsarev declares that America is preparing a revolution in Ukraine, as I understand it, this scenario (refusal to sign the association) was also considered, and therefore comes into effect plan b , definitely, I would like to have no victims, and now that the conflict has now gone beyond the regional, this is yet another confrontation between Russia and the United States, and to hell with GDP, while it is leading. still a little offtopic, by the way, on the position around Iran, he is also in favor.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 25 November 2013 10: 03
      19
      Quote: seller trucks
      MP Oleg Tsarev declares that America is preparing a revolution in Ukraine, as I understand it, this scenario (refusal to sign the association) was also considered, and therefore, Plan B comes into effect

      If Yanek doesn’t "wrinkle ..." and observe what is happening on the Geyropeyskaya Square in Kiev, as Kuchma did in 2004, and repeats the “swamp” scenario of dispersing Svidomo, then everyone will understand that there is power in Ukraine ...
      Otherwise... recourse
      1. seller trucks
        seller trucks 25 November 2013 10: 11
        +4
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        as Kuchma did in 2004, and if he repeats the "swamp" scenario of dispersing Svidomo, then everyone will understand that there is power in Ukraine.


        (+) there is a "small" nuance at what angle the Western press will cover, however, I guess. But the GDP also has countermeasures for this - RT, they say according to ratings higher than the BBC. however, we can only wait
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 25 November 2013 16: 59
          +4
          Quote: seller trucks
          (+) there is a "small" nuance at what angle the Western press will cover, however, I guess.

          The question is about the survival of the people, the country. It's too late to "build" from yourself.
      2. Vovka levka
        Vovka levka 25 November 2013 10: 42
        -13 qualifying.
        Quote: stalkerwalker

        If Yanek doesn’t "wrinkle ..." and observe what is happening on the Geyropeyskaya Square in Kiev, as Kuchma did in 2004, and repeats the “swamp” scenario of dispersing Svidomo, then everyone will understand that there is power in Ukraine ...
        Otherwise... recourse

        If he is suicide, let him try.
        1. AlNikolaich
          AlNikolaich 25 November 2013 13: 12
          11
          Quote: Vovka Levka
          If he is suicide, let him try.

          If he doesn’t disperse, he will be a suicide!
          Yanek already got bustling ass between east and west! But you won’t be nice to both at the same time! And you have to choose. It will disperse the Maidan, it will be supported by the east. He will not disperse, and will be hated by both east and west!
          1. Vovka levka
            Vovka levka 25 November 2013 13: 55
            +7
            Quote: AlNikolaich
            It will disperse the Maidan, it will be supported by the east.

            In western Ukraine they do not like him, but they are calm, and in the east they hate him. Here is a paradox.
          2. Vovka levka
            Vovka levka 25 November 2013 14: 04
            +1
            Quote: AlNikolaich
            It will disperse the Maidan, it will be supported by the east.

            In western Ukraine they do not like him, but they are calm, and in the east they hate him. Here is a paradox.
          3. heathen
            heathen 27 November 2013 18: 39
            0
            Yes, there is no need to disperse anyone too much. Will squeeze out a silent glander and all business.
            Better still, it would be to step on the tail of an NGO funded from beyond the hill, as Putin did. In a flash, all the maydauns scatter as the money runs out.
        2. gladysheff2010
          gladysheff2010 25 November 2013 13: 51
          +2
          In any situation, Yanukovych is a suicide bomber, only fear is worse than death, the question is different: who is he in spirit?
          1. morpex
            morpex 25 November 2013 23: 57
            0
            Quote: gladysheff2010
            Who is he in spirit?

            And WHAT SPIRIT DOES A MORTGAGE WHO ALREADY FEAR? wassat
      3. oaziss
        oaziss 25 November 2013 10: 49
        +1
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        Otherwise...

        I am embarrassed to ask what will happen in the "otherwise"?
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 25 November 2013 17: 02
          +4
          Quote: oaziss
          I am embarrassed to ask what will happen in the "otherwise"?

          Shy of girls for the FIRST TIME .... laughing
      4. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 25 November 2013 10: 54
        +3
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        as Kuchma did in 2004

        Well, type Azarov promised that he would not allow the Maidan as in 2004
      5. Korben
        Korben 25 November 2013 13: 15
        +1
        Yanyk will not go for it! Otherwise, he will be more than a "political corpse"!
    2. Luna
      Luna 25 November 2013 12: 05
      10
      seller trucks, all these horror stories have one goal - to get into the pocket of Russia and give nothing in return.


      I remembered this story when I saw the deputy head of the Party of Regions faction Oleg Tsarev on the Russia 24 channel. The man, who is believed to represent the “pro-Russian” wing of the “regionals,” said that the signing of the Association Agreement with the EU was unlikely to take place, and admitted that Brussels actually “threw” Ukrainian European integrators.

      But further from the deputy, with the “correctness” characteristic of Ukrainian guests, he was drawn to teach Russia how to win back the location of Kiev.

      Here is a short list of his "requirements."

      1. Russia, it turns out, is “using” that “good attitude” that the citizens of the South-East of Ukraine have preserved for it. It's time to financially thank for this "good" attitude!

      2. Russia should economically stimulate Ukraine in order to be allowed to show Russian films without translation into Ukrainian (this is the responsibility of the Ministry of Culture of Ukraine).

      3. Russia should economically stimulate Ukraine to expand the teaching of Russian language and literature in Ukrainian schools (this is the responsibility of the Ministry of Education of Ukraine).

      4. Ukraine will definitely produce shale gas, and until then Russia should make a discount on gas in gratitude for the good attitude.

      Bottom line: Russia must regularly pay for friendship with Kiev if it does not want it to rush to the West again.

      Read in full: http://www.km.ru/world/2013/11/18/vneshnyaya-politika-ukrainy/725454-odnazhdy-vs


      tav-na-put-predatelstva-ukrainskie-vl

      Regarding Ukrainian politicians, I can say ALMOST like Muller wink
      NO ONE TO BELIEVE.
      1. 222222
        222222 25 November 2013 12: 40
        +4
        Luna RU Today, 12:05 ↑ New
        "... that Brussels actually" threw "the Ukrainian European integrators."
        about throwing Ukraine ..
        ... The most important Ukrainian nationalist, the creator of the legendary outrageous organization UNA-UNSO, and now the ideologist of the patriotic movement “Brotherhood” Dmitry KORCHINSKY: “After the“ orange ”events, we expected that management from the American embassy would be carried out - this kind of thing was practiced in Asia and Africa - but immediately after the revolution, Americans' interest in us dropped dramatically.We got the impression that they were interested in the surge itself more than the consequences.Ukraine has always been, at best, the 52nd problem for the United States, and interest in it arises only then when bargaining with Russia begins ... "
        http://ursa-tm.ru/forum/index.php?/topic/28-%D1%86%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BD%D1%8B
        %D0%B5-%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8E%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B8-%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%85
        %D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%B8-%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BE%
        D1%80%D1%8B-%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B0/
      2. kaper
        kaper 25 November 2013 20: 19
        -2
        "Russia should make a discount on gas in gratitude for the good attitude" - how much is already possible, what a discount. The price should be economically justified, not political. A simple example - the price for Germany is lower than for Ukraine, and this despite the fact that there gas still needs to be pumped about 4 thousand km.
        1. Luna
          Luna 25 November 2013 21: 28
          +4
          kaper, Germany co-investor and partner of Russia in gas projects, and who is Ukraine? They proposed a consortium without joining the Customs Union, but with a reduction in gas prices, they were refused. So what do you want?
          Look how much Russia's sworn "friends" from the Baltics pay, don't look at Germany, Italy and France investing in state-owned enterprises.
          You have to pay for everything in this life.
  • atalef
    atalef 25 November 2013 11: 51
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: cherkas.oe
    and even with the blood of the main characters (I will not specify the characters).

    But in vain, it would be possible to announce the list

    He’s probably talking about Tymoshenko’s blood, monthly laughing
  • nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 25 November 2013 09: 43
    +4
    Ukraine itself has no survival options, but the lures do! It was not for nothing that they remembered about the non-profit organization, the Maidan appeared, and tents appeared, and so modestly a warning about the illegal means received by the opposition appeared. Despite the marginalization of western Ukraine and a fairly large number of dissatisfied with the ruling party, without external funding, all protests will gradually decline, it is not for nothing that Klitschko was broadcasting not in his native language, but in bad English, those for external appeal. It all depends on whether the authorities have enough determination to defend their decision, we will not have time to look back as the international ratings will drive into minus, shrill voices will be broadcast everywhere, in Russia they have already started, on Vzglyad they published the opus of Oleg Rybochuk, the former Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine I'm not talking about Rambler and RBC.
  • atalef
    atalef 25 November 2013 11: 50
    0
    Quote: cherkas.oe
    Quote: atalef
    where Ukraine has turned its shafts, wait and see

    That is yes. But shaw, Ukraine has many options? Now, if common sense does not win, then the death of Ukraine will be longer, more painful, and even with the blood of the main characters (I will not specify the characters).

    ז In general, there are two (options), and this already gives an opportunity for bargaining, for whom it would be more expensive to sell
  • Simon
    Simon 25 November 2013 11: 20
    0
    Ukraine is now located along the middle of the river and is thinking of which coast to stick to, to the west or east. The western one has no help, but constantly being dependent on amers and Europe, in addition, the West requires the liquidation of many enterprises, which means job cuts, indignation of hard workers and a reduction in the receipt of money in the budget, in addition to independence, for which they advocated not to see them like your ears. In the east, enterprises will not be liquidated, but will develop and money will flow into the budget. Upon joining the customs union, Ukraine will win much more than in the EU.
  • nnz226
    nnz226 25 November 2013 11: 45
    +2
    I agree! To celebrate early drinking vodka! They will buy the leaders of the Papuans with new glass beads, one and give their tribe (read, Ukraine) to the white sahibs (gayropeyts + amerikosam) into slavery ...
  • nnz226
    nnz226 25 November 2013 11: 55
    -1
    Yes, early in the joys of drinking vodka! It is still unknown how it will be: they will buy the leaders of the Papuans with new glass beads, and will give their tribe (read, Ukraine) to slavery to the white sahibs (geyropa + americos). Already passed such. Again, the venality of hohlikov will soon enter into sayings ...
    1. Korben
      Korben 25 November 2013 13: 21
      -3
      Judging by the flag, you are among them - corrupt! Do not disgrace and do not creep, look extremely disgusting! Know how to answer for yourself, do not touch the people!
  • silver_roman
    silver_roman 25 November 2013 12: 09
    +8
    Quote: atalef
    it is not known where Ukraine turned its shafts

    I agree.
    I’m interested in another: why in Kiev they do not hold actions, petitions for joining the TS ??? Held in Kharkov, Crimea ... there people are so loyal to Russia.
    I was already swept up by students running up with various brochures and an EU flag. The guys just work and that's it. I am sure that if they were paid for the slogans about joining Honduras, the result would be the same, only the flags would change.
    And how much speculation in this regard: starting from the number of protesters (they say about 100 people, but in fact many times less) and ending with the mud poured on the Russian Federation.

    The saddest thing is that some people really believe in the rubbish of EU integration. And when asked about the benefits, they answer: well, the court will be honest, it will be possible to declare it to the head of the Housing and Utility Commission in euro ... some people dream of cheap cars ... the most ardent ones just hate the Russian Federation, and when I dug up about such people personally, they turned out to be the Jews lol neighing for a long time with them right in their face ...

    In short, Russia needs to understand one thing: it is necessary to fight for the minds of people. If someone thinks that everyone remembers and knows about the unity of the people, remembers the Second World War and other challenges, then this is not so. People are selfish and are screaming at the crowd. He is a car 20 years old for 1000 Euros is much more expensive than a century-old friendship, common culture and integrity of the people as a whole. We need to work more actively in this direction. then the government will be more loyal. In recent years, the number of pro-European citizens has increased. It is a fact.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 25 November 2013 13: 13
      +6
      But, excuse me, we need it - this struggle? Why does Russia owe everything? Why should we fight, and those whom we fight for should have fun and indulgently watch how they fight for them? Do not want to be fraternal people, block the borders, do not want to integrate, turn off the gas. You can not cope with your Bandera. come yourself, and let Bandera clean their shoes to the gay people.
      1. Orik
        Orik 25 November 2013 13: 30
        +6
        We will not fight on the streets of Kiev, then we will fight on our streets.
        1. Shur
          Shur 25 November 2013 23: 18
          0
          Already. By the way, they will also have to deal with Euro-occupation with Euro-Arabization, etc. They will substitute their quiet, as is the case with all the indigenous people in Europe. And there, green flags and scammers will happen, for American servants from Europe themselves are only r .. but for the owner they rake.
      2. silver_roman
        silver_roman 25 November 2013 13: 32
        +4
        Quote: alicante11
        But, excuse me, we need it - this struggle?

        I do not quite understand if the question is addressed to me, but if I am, I will answer:
        YES, FIGHTING IS NECESSARY !!!
        I understand that when people follow the logic, they read the strategists and tactics of the Western world such as Z. Bzezhinsky (I don’t dare to write with a capital letter) about their vision of the daily world. After such thoughts, there is no need to prove anything while standing in the rain on the Maidan, but many have no idea what association with the EU is. Nevertheless, I think that if they signed, then everything ... Europe.
        No one thinks that Turkey itself received a mandate 15 years ago.

        I’m not talking about those who WORK right now on the Maidan, standing with EU flags, I’m talking about those who share these false views. The saddest thing is that there are such. I personally know people who just went on weekends and tried to support the action.
        I have long understood that justice, honesty and goodness in general will never triumph in life if it is not helped. Belief in the friendship of the Slavic peoples is good, but this is not enough, no matter how sad it is to admit!
        Yanyk did it cunningly. Like at the suggestion of the Rada, a "pause" was adopted. What is stopping him now from dissolving the same Rada, removing all disloyal opposition and placing his bought people? he is shouting loudly about blackmail from the Russian Federation. He complains to the Lithuanians, but he is silent about his flights to Moscow.
      3. Shur
        Shur 25 November 2013 23: 13
        +1
        The situation is there as in the occupied territory. Only the border in the heads is bigger. For generations, they have been driven there. We tried.
    2. Orik
      Orik 25 November 2013 13: 29
      +3
      Any whim for your money, but in general it’s scary when people sell their future.
      1. In the book
        In the book 25 November 2013 16: 43
        +3
        How right you are !:
        Participants in a rally in support of the decision of the Cabinet of Ministers to suspend the process of European integration, which took place yesterday, November 24 in Kiev, complain that they were deceived without paying the promised money. According to the protesters, the Party of Regions promised to pay 200 hryvnias for lunch, but no one did.

        Source: http://focus.ua/politics/291274/
        1. In the book
          In the book 25 November 2013 17: 15
          +1
          What are we minus? Did I write a lie?
          1. alone
            alone 25 November 2013 20: 19
            +3
            Quote: Libr
            What are we minus? Did I write a lie?


            no. You wrote that it is unpleasant for others to read)))
          2. kaper
            kaper 25 November 2013 20: 22
            +2
            The truth that pricks.
            1. Luna
              Luna 25 November 2013 21: 42
              +4
              The truth should be true, and not the one that suits you personally.

              "Attention, work for this Sunday! We offer you to make money first of all by driving people. We pay 30 UAH for each person brought by you. From you a list with surnames, names and phone numbers to the post office. There is also an opportunity to participate yourself. PAYMENT 100 UAH , we stand for 3 hours, collection 24.11 12:30 metro station Khreshchatyk. In addition, we pay: keep the party flag +25 UAH for the entire time. For personal registration in the full name, "tel. to the mail [email protected] Our meeting on Facebook "> Payment guarantee - 100%. We work with everyone many years on the stock market. repeat It is also possible to meet directly at the meeting point at 12:30 st. near the metro station Maidan Nezalezhnosti, you will see the organizers, they will be with the EU flags. "
              http://www.segodnya.ua/politics/pnews/studentov-zazyvayut-na-evromaydan-za-dengi

              -476951.html

              http://odessamedia.net/news/odessa/massoviki-iz-kieva-predlagayut-odessitam-podr

              abotat-v-voskresene-maidan-zovet /

              https://vk.com/promo_kiev_job?w=wall231451156_9%2Fall
              1. artifox
                artifox 26 November 2013 10: 09
                0
                Wow, it smelled like hell ... Just the smell of hamsters popped out of the monitor :)
          3. Shur
            Shur 25 November 2013 23: 23
            0
            It looks like a prepared flash mob ... In Russia, 24 is quite the opposite version ... News releases for November 25 .. There are other options, they don’t tell the specifics. Crap. Mostly bazaars behind the scenes. The participant himself did not say anything for the employer.
      2. Victor-M
        Victor-M 25 November 2013 20: 16
        +1
        Quote: Orik
        Any whim for your money, but in general it’s scary when people sell their future.

        Why am I not an artist, I would draw a barbed wire instead of a circle of stars on the EU flag, that would be more true.
    3. Anper
      Anper 25 November 2013 14: 11
      0
      good good good
      Something does not work out among the Russians with the information war. Or do not want to?
      1. In the book
        In the book 25 November 2013 17: 09
        0
        Quote: Anper
        Something does not work out among the Russians with the information war. Or do not want to?

        And with whom (or against whom) and why are Russians fighting?
        It may be worth covering the events in a neighboring country not one-sidedly, but giving people the opportunity to speak out with opposing views. Or the policy is in effect:
        "There are two opinions: one is mine, the second is not correct"
    4. In the book
      In the book 25 November 2013 16: 40
      -1
      Quote: silver_roman
      I’m interested in something else: why in Kiev they do not hold actions, petitions for joining the Customs Union ???

      smile Well, why do not pass? Pass:
      Participants in a rally in support of the decision of the Cabinet of Ministers to suspend the process of European integration, which took place yesterday, November 24 in Kiev, complain that they were deceived without paying the promised money. According to the protesters, the Party of Regions promised to pay 200 hryvnias for lunch, but no one did.
      Source: http://focus.ua/politics/291274/
    5. Shur
      Shur 25 November 2013 23: 10
      +2
      True remark, Russia needs to fight for people .. Its people. So far, the GDP has not taken these steps. People there are the most important resource, not land .. Our people and this must be announced loudly! Here you have the political will and the full support of the people. This fictional fence in the heads is not always. And rightly so, we must demolish it like a Berlin wall. The border with the fictitious and seized territory should be considered as a Berlin wall. And it was the Europeans who built it!
  • goldfinger
    goldfinger 25 November 2013 12: 40
    +2
    Quote: atalef
    I think it's too early to put an end to this, it is not known where Ukraine turned its shafts, wait and see

    Neighbor Belarus.
    Yanukovych Ukraine is like a girl who loves one (the European Union), but leaves with the hateful other (Customs Union).
    Surveys conducted in Ukraine show that 45% of citizens support European integration. The number of those who support joining the Customs Union is less - 36%.

    However, Yanukovych made his choice. The reason for this decision by the president of Ukraine is that on the eve of the 2015 election, he feared sanctions of a trade and economic nature that Putin would inevitably impose.
    Trade and gas wars, the ban on the import of Ukrainian goods into Russia will inevitably provoke an economic crisis, rising prices, hryvnia devaluation and unemployment. First of all, in the east, where the country's main industrial potential is concentrated.
    Russia is still Ukraine’s largest trade and economic partner (more than 30% of goods turnover, the EU is in second place), and sanctions would have a very serious impact on the economy.

    So the girl leaves by calculation, which she honestly talks about. Putin promised to pay. Lot. Only a reduction in gas prices to the Belarusian level (166 $ per 1000 cubic meters) and the abolition of oil duties will lead to Russia's annual losses of 10 billion. But all efforts are in vain. Love can not be bought. Stamp in the registry office - you can. 45% of Ukrainians supporting the European choice will not disappear. On the contrary, the number of supporters of European integration is likely to increase.

    What to do to Yanukovych?

    Correctly! Throw Putin on the eve of the 2015 election, announcing that he is ready to go to Brussels to sign everything. Europeans will gladly agree, and Yanukovych will become president.

    Russia will suffer - no one will return Russia to tens of billions of dollars. Russians will have to pay for everything .. First of all, rising gas prices inside Russia and rising utility bills.
    1. atalef
      atalef 25 November 2013 13: 31
      +2
      Quote: goldfinger
      Quote: atalef
      I think it's too early to put an end to this, it is not known where Ukraine turned its shafts, wait and see

      Neighbor Belarus.
      Yanukovych Ukraine is like a girl who loves one (the European Union), but leaves with the hateful other (Customs Union).
      Surveys conducted in Ukraine show that 45% of citizens support European integration. The number of those who support joining the Customs Union is less - 36%.

      However, Yanukovych made his choice. The reason for this decision by the president of Ukraine is that on the eve of the 2015 election, he feared sanctions of a trade and economic nature that Putin would inevitably impose.
      Trade and gas wars, the ban on the import of Ukrainian goods into Russia will inevitably provoke an economic crisis, rising prices, hryvnia devaluation and unemployment. First of all, in the east, where the country's main industrial potential is concentrated.
      Russia is still Ukraine’s largest trade and economic partner (more than 30% of goods turnover, the EU is in second place), and sanctions would have a very serious impact on the economy.

      So the girl leaves by calculation, which she honestly talks about. Putin promised to pay. Lot. Only a reduction in gas prices to the Belarusian level (166 $ per 1000 cubic meters) and the abolition of oil duties will lead to Russia's annual losses of 10 billion. But all efforts are in vain. Love can not be bought. Stamp in the registry office - you can. 45% of Ukrainians supporting the European choice will not disappear. On the contrary, the number of supporters of European integration is likely to increase.

      What to do to Yanukovych?

      Correctly! Throw Putin on the eve of the 2015 election, announcing that he is ready to go to Brussels to sign everything. Europeans will gladly agree, and Yanukovych will become president.

      Russia will suffer - no one will return Russia to tens of billions of dollars. Russians will have to pay for everything .. First of all, rising gas prices inside Russia and rising utility bills.

      Something tells me that this is the most plausible scenario
      1. Shur
        Shur 25 November 2013 23: 30
        0
        This is an inner voice. That is, the very essence of man.
    2. xan
      xan 25 November 2013 19: 34
      +2
      Quote: goldfinger
      Correctly! Throw Putin on the eve of the 2015 election, announcing that he is ready to go to Brussels to sign everything. Europeans will gladly agree, and Yanukovych will become president.

      such wiring does not channel
      Putin does not build gas pipelines around Ukraine in order to buy such bullshit.
  • Grandson of Veteran
    Grandson of Veteran 25 November 2013 12: 48
    +2
    "I think it's too early to put an end to this"
    In politics, it is generally difficult to put an end to it. You just can’t stop and continue to fight for Ukraine.
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 25 November 2013 16: 02
    +1
    And they don’t have any deafness, that’s the whole difficulty.
  • AVV
    AVV 25 November 2013 21: 51
    0
    Our friends from Ukraine are too unpredictable, they jerk either west or east, as they say, and they want and prickly! I want to be in the European family to live like Germans, but there are no such waiting rooms, and there are no places! The European Union would have to deal with Turkey , which has been trampling for a very long time, but don’t take it! Here I would have to deal with the Balts, with Greece and others who want loans and help from Europe, and here Ukraine is also crawling somewhere, and the Georgians are also crawling on one little ship which and so bursting at the seams! And most importantly, Europe does not give any guarantees about a good and comfortable life, about economic assistance, loans in the end. That's why captains of the country and the electorate on Independence Square are jerking. And from who eventually drag, Ukraine will move there, and we just have to watch it !!!
  • Spnsr
    Spnsr 26 November 2013 11: 48
    0
    Yanukovych has already said Russian in white that there will be continued geyrointegration, but only after Russia launches the Ukrainian economy. already made an appeal
  • makarov
    makarov 25 November 2013 08: 12
    10
    SW Vadim.
    You have clearly noted an imminent trend. No wonder the "family man" Arbuzov flew the other day to the amerikos. There is an opinion that the "young Yanukovychs" are in collusion with the Americans and the opposition, and they have turned on the so-called button. Maidan. In order to create a maneuver for the godfather in signing the ksiva with the EU
  • APES
    APES 25 November 2013 09: 21
    0
    Democracy with Colt in your pocket


    more precisely there will be a monkey with a grenade
    1. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 25 November 2013 09: 35
      +4
      All the same, Yanukovych could not sit on two chairs! Good. I hope he has decided with whom he will build truly friendly relations!
      1. Skipper
        Skipper 25 November 2013 11: 31
        +3
        In the light of recent events, I propose to rename Ukraine "Center of Light" laughing
      2. Kolya
        Kolya 25 November 2013 11: 38
        +1
        How can you even build friendships with a bandit ???
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 25 November 2013 16: 39
    +9
    Quote: Civil
    There is an opinion that Ukrainians want to toss everyone, purely out of habit :-) but it doesn’t work, that’s rubbish, the nature is this :-)

    Ukrainians or the power of Ukraine?

    Quote: atalef
    I think it's too early to put an end to this, it is not known where Ukraine turned its shafts, wait and see

    Ukraine or Ukrainian power?

    Members of the site, I ask you not to write - the Ukrainians went on strike against Russia. Or - Ukraine will throw Russia.

    We went on strike for 120 UAH. three hours of standing Bendera all sorts. This is not the whole of Ukraine. If our power throws you, then again this is not Ukraine and the people. I will ask you not to combine.
    1. kaper
      kaper 25 November 2013 20: 51
      -6
      Confused, everything is the other way around - it was just the participants of the rally organized by the regions that were paid. "Bendera's allies" for your information are ideological people.
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 25 November 2013 21: 40
        +6
        Now I put you a minus, above in your comments I put you +. We also have ideological people from the east. I don't want us to be out of work in the east. For example, my NIIKA makes electronics for the Mi-24 and Mi-28. And also the Kolchuga radar station. The Kharkov plant makes tractors for Belarus and Kazakhstan. The Kramatorsk plant makes pipes for Russia.

        You understand that we give money to the budget? With this money, pensions and state salaries in the West are financed? Look on the Internet for a map which areas give money to the budget, and which are on subsidies.

        Today, Yushchenko listened, he said that if the EU does not take steps towards it, then Ukraine will need to go to the CU. Europe from 2005 to 2010, with his presidency, did not even itch to take a step forward.
  • Orik
    Orik 25 November 2013 18: 01
    +3
    Vadim, explain what you mean by the word "Ukrainians", is it the whole people or just the leading slop? And then the brothers are offended ...
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 25 November 2013 18: 25
      +9
      Quote: Orik
      Vadim, explain what you mean by the word "Ukrainians", is it the whole people or just the leading slop? And then the brothers are offended ...


      Of course, we are offended, because when you paid people went out to the swamp, we did not write "Russia against the government" or "Russians oborzeli". We all understand that this is 0,1% of those paid - this is not all of Russia or Ukraine.
      1. Orik
        Orik 25 November 2013 18: 30
        +4
        And we understand, do not be offended. drinks How about these "aboutmoved "to call? Unfortunately, there are not only Bendera, but also a significant part of the central Ukrainians.
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 25 November 2013 21: 32
          +5
          These advanced without nationality. They’re on the drum what will happen to the country next. They expect to raise a little money and move to Europe or Canada, or wherever else. And there, even burn with a blue flame.

          By the way, Azerbaijan suspended Eurointegration, they just said on TV.
          1. AVV
            AVV 25 November 2013 22: 48
            +2
            Well, if Turkey is not taken, which Azerbaijan ???
            1. Lord of the Sith
              Lord of the Sith 26 November 2013 00: 07
              +1
              Azerbaijan does not intend to become an associate member of the European Union. This was stated by deputy head of the presidential administration Novruz Mammadov.

              "We have already informed their European Union that we will not be able to accept the EU-proposed association agreement. We want to prepare a document that would more adequately meet the level of our relations and cooperation with the European Union," Interfax quotes Mammadov as saying.

              He noted that Baku offered the EU "taking into account the achieved level of cooperation to sign a partnership agreement."

              "Such an agreement will reflect the level of bilateral cooperation and ensure mutual respect and equality of the parties," the representative of the presidential administration stressed.

              In his opinion, an associative agreement in itself sets conditions, only upon fulfillment of which one can become a full member of this organization.

              He rejected the claim that Azerbaijan’s refusal of associative membership was a result of pressure from Russia.

              Recall, November 21, the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine decided to suspend the process of preparation for the conclusion of the Association Agreement with the EU. The President of Ukraine explained the suspension of European integration as temporary difficulties.

              In protest against the suspension of Ukraine’s European integration course, Euromaidan started in Kiev. Oppositionists declared Euromaidan indefinite.
  • bomg.77
    bomg.77 25 November 2013 07: 41
    16
    Tymoshenko urges people on Maidan to force Yanukovych to sign an agreement with the EU, and if he doesn’t sign it, then remove him from the presidency. I feel she will be transferred to strict regime laughing
    1. Denis
      Denis 25 November 2013 07: 45
      10
      Quote: bomg.77
      Tymoshenko calls on people

      These people can only yell for grandmas on the Maidan., They are not called, they are bought.
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 25 November 2013 08: 16
        +1
        Quote: Denis
        These people can only yell for grandmas on the Maidan., They are not called, they are bought.
        On 50-100 hryvnia is paid, as far as I heard.
        1. Gomunkul
          Gomunkul 25 November 2013 11: 36
          +5
          On 50-100 hryvnia is paid, as far as I heard.
          Those. such is the current course of the hryvnia to silverfish, so that it just turns out 30. hi
          1. In the book
            In the book 25 November 2013 16: 44
            -4
            Participants in a rally in support of the decision of the Cabinet of Ministers to suspend the process of European integration, which took place yesterday, November 24 in Kiev, complain that they were deceived without paying the promised money. According to the protesters, the Party of Regions promised to pay 200 hryvnias for lunch, but no one did.

            Source: http://focus.ua/politics/291274/
            1. In the book
              In the book 26 November 2013 12: 23
              0
              Less, as I understand it, the organizers of the action, who did not pay off the "naymantsy" smile
        2. Victor-M
          Victor-M 25 November 2013 20: 21
          +1
          Quote: bomg.77
          On 50-100 hryvnia is paid, as far as I heard.

          For some time they employed the people.
        3. AVV
          AVV 25 November 2013 22: 50
          0
          Work However, and in Europe they won’t pay for it !!!
      2. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 25 November 2013 09: 20
        -14 qualifying.
        And who is so rich to pay more than 200.000. Traditionally, the purchased 4.000 students and state employees have been thrown away. Didn't get paid. And such a mass of Ukrainian citizens came out with the main appeal "GET Gang". The people are tired of lawlessness and poverty, corruption and uncertainty about the future. The people are tired of living like that. Among the arrogant thieves, untouchable majors, lack of social protection, slave labor without registration and handouts in an envelope. From all this mess, which is manifested in you against the background of the "eternal emperor", but you are afraid to admit it to yourself.
        There is no need to spread rot on the people of Ukraine. No need to decide for him. He came out to defend himself from the bandyukovichs in power and is not divided into west and east. He is one in his grief. For instance. On the Maidan in Lviv, the "svobodovets" got on the stage, but was immediately expelled for advertising a political force.
        While the power is in the hands of the richest theft among us and you, we are being persecuted in a powerless slave system. And do not take the media in this way, for example, the transfer of Kiselev, Schuster. They put on blinders from the authorities on us, and even try to put on pink glasses.
        Go Ukraine. Rygyanalny power is already beginning to scatter. A fisherman rushed to Canada with a rework. The guarantor hid behind the hillocks, behind the cordons. The Ministry of Internal Affairs announced an urgent collection. From minister to cleaning lady. Crowds of "titushki" provocateurs began to provoke clashes between the "Berkutovites" who were exposed to the blow and the people. If the guys from the "golden eagle" continue to work for the oligarchs, and not stand for the protection of the people and the law, then they need to change the emblem.
        On this one.
        1. bomg.77
          bomg.77 25 November 2013 10: 09
          +6
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          And who is so rich over 200.000 to pay.
          There weren’t 200000 thousand on the Maidan, seven thousand strong. Even if 200000 thousand, it doesn’t give them the right to tell what the rest 45 millions of citizens should do. An association with Europe is not a panacea for all problems, and the CU too. look at EU members such as Bulgaria, Romania, Greece, and they have full membership, not an association,
          1. ded_73
            ded_73 25 November 2013 10: 28
            -5
            I understand that you were there, thought? Or Channel One has seen enough and draw conclusions, well, well. Go on. It will be more interesting further.
            1. bomg.77
              bomg.77 25 November 2013 11: 21
              +5
              Quote: ded_73
              I understand that you were there, thought? Or Channel One has seen enough and draw conclusions, well, well. Go on. It will be more interesting further.
              Have you counted something? And you watched the first and second channels on the Internet and talked on Twitter and saw pictures of European integrators, NO 200tys there.
            2. Lord of the Sith
              Lord of the Sith 25 November 2013 21: 34
              +1
              European Commissioner Füle on Twitter said that it was from 30 to 50 thousand. According to euronews, the figure of tens of thousands, but no more than 50 thousand, also sounded.
            3. Luna
              Luna 25 November 2013 21: 49
              +3
              the size of the bowl of the European area is about 10 thousand squares. In my calculations, I even took an inflated density of 0,5, well, God bless him. In general, when organizing events on the European Square, they always lay its capacity of 12-14 thousand people.

              http://hvylya.org/analytics/politics/skolko-realno-lyudey-byilo-na-evromaydane.h
              tml
          2. MG42
            MG42 25 November 2013 11: 44
            +1
            Quote: bomg.77
            Was not on the Maidan 200000 thousand from the strength of seven thousand.

            According to official police data, there were 50 people yesterday, but in general there were 150 000 human.

            Euromaidans were also in many cities of Ukraine, Lviv the largest 7, Vinnitsa 000, Odessa 2 people, Kharkov 000 people and even Donetsk, but there were only 500 people. and other cities, and abroad, in particular Rome, Toronto and Washington.
            In addition, there are precedents when the mayor of the city in the west. Ukraine set the condition for separatism in case of not signing an association with the EU.
            The boiler is seething, yesterday there were violent clashes at night under the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine with a golden eagle.
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 25 November 2013 11: 57
              +1
              Quote: MG42
              The boiler is seething, there were violent clashes yesterday

              it seems to have begun laughing taking into account such mass after silence .. it seems there is also Yanukovych’s hand in it .. will now show Putin at the meeting .. that Kiev is raging .... in general, they will agree on the basis of compromises ... in general, we are waiting for the film to continue ... good
              1. MG42
                MG42 25 November 2013 12: 09
                +3
                Quote: smersh70
                It seems that there is also Yanukovych’s hand in it .. will now show Putin at the meeting .. that Kiev is raging .. generally we are waiting for the film to continue.

                How much do I know that Putin met with his godfather Medvedchuk yesterday, and he reported to him about the situation in Ukraine, because the information will be contradictory and all the most interesting will be this week? I’m guessing something but I will not say anything so far ..
                this is what happened last night, when the bulk of the protesters went home to rest >>>
            2. Anper
              Anper 25 November 2013 12: 20
              +4
              Honestly, in comparison with the orange Maidan, it’s bi-weekly.
              1. MG42
                MG42 25 November 2013 12: 44
                +4
                Yes, I saw with my own eyes the orange Maidan of 2004, everything is different there than in the television picture, now they simply do not allow the protesters to take the carriageway, that's all the difference and to stop the mafas is prohibited by a court decision, however, tents have already been set up on European Square, not far from Maidan, those. actually now 2 maidan.
                1. Anper
                  Anper 25 November 2013 15: 15
                  +5
                  Quote: MG42
                  everything is different there than in the television picture,

                  So that's what we're talking about! Where are the panoramas of the Maidan with loitering people, where weddings are in tents, grandmothers are the heroes of Ukraine, where the group "Greenjoli" with a super-meaningful song:
                  At once bagato us -
                  We won’t be lucky!
                  At once bagato us -
                  We won’t be lucky!
                  At once bagato us -
                  We won’t be lucky!
                  At once bagato us -
                  We won’t be lucky!

                  Falsifikatsіyam - nі!
                  Mahіnatsіyam - nі!
                  I understand - nі!
                  Nі nonsense!
                  Yushchenko - so!
                  Yushchenko - so!
                  Tse is our president.
                  So! So!

                  Pripіv

                  Mi - not a bit
                  Mi - not a goat.
                  Mi - Ukraine
                  Donki i blue.
                  Infection chi nikoli -
                  Year of check!
                  At once bagato us -
                  We won’t be at once!
                  where are the sound, noise and light effects when leaders speak from the rostrum, where are extras hung with carrots and other vegetables? BIDNUVATO !!!
                  1. MG42
                    MG42 25 November 2013 17: 00
                    +4
                    Why is this text, Anna? You can watch the video since you remembered laughing I remember everything perfectly

                    You look better who financed the Maidan 2004 and find there B.A. Berezovsky among others, Yusch = is the biggest disappointment not only among the orange electorate. Where is the PORA organization for US grants ?.
                    Then, under Kuchma, in 2004 there was a peak GDP growth of Ukraine 112,2%
                    Now there are different conditions, the arena is not all the same, the country is in crisis, there could be a default, Ukraine itself will not be able to get out with a deep burn
                    1. Anper
                      Anper 25 November 2013 17: 33
                      +3
                      This text is needed in order to calmly understand (without music and video), by what primitive means a crowd is created that corresponds to the tasks of the directors:
                      1. Attraction to action of a sufficient mass of people;
                      2. Their concentration at the right points in urban space;
                      3. Keeping them in the right places for the required time;
                      4. Such a processing of their consciousness so that the crowd performs exactly those actions that are required by the script.
                      In the clip, all this is clearly visible.
                      1. MG42
                        MG42 25 November 2013 18: 57
                        0
                        The stick, as you know, has 2 ends, by the way, yesterday there was a pro-government rally on Mikhailovskaya Square in Kiev, state employees and students from Makeyevka were brought there! Donetsk region and the homeland of the guarantor <like I don’t feel sorry for diesel fuel or students could not find closer to Kiev sad > and so there was even less sense on the faces of people, many openly admitted that they were worth the money, lasted 5 hours and went on buses .. In addition, a new tactic when athletes of power martial arts are brought to Kiev, they have a different tariff, and other goals, it's all sad ..
                      2. Day 11
                        Day 11 25 November 2013 23: 01
                        0
                        Sergey (MG42), great! Especially for you (you love such things). Look, these are our allies from Hezbollah in Syria. MP-40 without a barrel (clickable)
                      3. morpex
                        morpex 27 November 2013 01: 27
                        0
                        Quote: MG42
                        there was even less meaning on people's faces


                        Makeevka steers!
          3. 222222
            222222 25 November 2013 13: 06
            +6
            MG42 (1) SU Today, 11:44 ↑
            "... Euromaidans were also in many cities of Ukraine .."
            According to the well-developed version of the "colored ugliness" about the American old and rotten "fish."
            Internal purpose:
            - transfer of control over the distribution of financial flows of Ukraine to another oligarchic-financial group (OFG) (groups) (the same as in 2004 ..)
            External goal:
            - to prevent rapprochement between Ukraine and Russia. According to Brzezinski, "Russia without Ukraine is not an empire" (2004) (although this is utter nonsense and a provocation for the future ..) Preventing the expansion of the Eurasian customs union
            -Reception of the 4th Reich markets, raw materials and labor in Ukraine, pulling it into its sphere of influence.
            Reason-dissatisfaction with the policy of the authorities on the issue of euro integration of Ukraine into the EU. There may be many reasons, but there is one reason.
            The driving force behind the Maidan:
            -external -political circles of Poland, USA, Germany, ..
            - the internal capitalist UFGs and the political forces created and controlled by them, which were previously at the "trough" of power and are again rushing to it ..
            - a part of the constantly protest population ... The work of the media, which is in the hands of the UFG and carried out through transmissions of zaslants like Shusrer, Kiselev and the local Portnikovs from RS "Svoboda" gives good shoots ..
            1. MG42
              MG42 25 November 2013 13: 24
              +5
              There is also a difference in the Maidans in 2004 and 2013 because in 2004 there was a rise in GDP, now there is a decline in production in almost all areas, there are economic reasons for discontent and the authorities can no longer attribute everything to the "front men. previous power ..
              Here it is not only politics, in addition, in the laws of Ukraine there is a "law on foreign and domestic policy of Ukraine", which clearly spelled out European integration, but the funniest thing is not even this, but the fact that the author of this law V, F, Yanukovych. wassat
            2. kaper
              kaper 25 November 2013 20: 32
              -6
              But a simple explanation doesn’t come to mind - people want changes, changes for the better. And your desire for a better life is opposed to a violation of the interests of Russia. Why should I live in shit for Russia's interests when there is a simple example of how people live on West. And in the EU there are Orthodox and Slavs, and no one oppresses them there, does not turn them into gays.
          4. Victor-M
            Victor-M 25 November 2013 20: 27
            0
            Quote: MG42
            Quote: bomg.77
            Was not on the Maidan 200000 thousand from the strength of seven thousand.

            According to official police data, there were 50 people yesterday, but in general there were 150 000 human.

            Euromaidans were also in many cities of Ukraine, Lviv the largest 7, Vinnitsa 000, Odessa 2 people, Kharkov 000 people and even Donetsk, but there were only 500 people. and other cities, and abroad, in particular Rome, Toronto and Washington.
            In addition, there are precedents when the mayor of the city in the west. Ukraine set the condition for separatism in case of not signing an association with the EU.
            The boiler is seething, yesterday there were violent clashes at night under the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine with a golden eagle.

            Where so many flags were applied, one would be enough - rainbow.
          5. Rubs
            Rubs 26 November 2013 00: 43
            +2
            How many real people were on Euromaidan

            Here is an excerpt from Mikhail Pavil's calculation for "Khvyli"

            “... That is, if we assume that they were standing by two on a square meter, and the area of ​​the meeting was 25 thousand square meters, then 50 thousand will come out at the peak moment.

            But, such a maximum comfortable density could only be in the epicenter, in the square and near the rostrum.
            The crowd density at Khreschatyk and at Grushevsky was much less. So what are we getting?
            We get, God forbid, if 20 thousand on the square itself (on 10 thousand square meters), although I believe that it was really 16-17 thousand. On the remaining adjacent 15 thousand (and in reality hardly 5 thousand) with a lower density of people / square meter we get another 15 thousand people.

            Total, a maximum of 35 thousand people at a time. And under the condition of a very strong assumption that the rally occupied an area of ​​25 thousand square meters.

            And even if we take this overestimated figure on faith, and assume that from 12 a.m. to 16 p.m. a whole third of the rally left and came, we get hardly 47-48 thousand.

            Plus, those who stood on the Maidan (up to 3 thousand)

            Total for all the time and with HUGE assumptions we get a maximum of 50 thousand people, but the truth is that it was hardly even 40 thousand. At a time - about 30 thousand. "

            See: http: //hvylya.org/analytics/politics/skolko-realno-lyudey-byilo-na-evroma
            ydane.html
      3. seller trucks
        seller trucks 25 November 2013 10: 14
        +3
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        The people are tired of lawlessness and poverty, corruption and insecurity in the future.


        laughing don’t tell my slippers when Ukraine lived with rights, rich and confident, I remember when, but it seems you didn’t find it. hi
        1. ded_73
          ded_73 25 November 2013 10: 35
          14
          Yes, Vrungel is 1000 percent right. People are tired. And things are not so bad in the economy because of the drop in trade with Russia, but because they are trying to pull up all more or less liquid business under the "family". They do not hesitate to report that the president's son doubled his fortune in six months. This is in a poor country. The lawlessness in the country is complete. All state bodies - from the Security Service of Ukraine to sanitary doctors - are imposed with "monthly plans". All in the family trough. And people came out right. And I'll go!
          1. Oberst_71
            Oberst_71 25 November 2013 11: 15
            +5
            will Europe help? horseradish. it’s necessary to frighten the president, but Europe will not turn you into such ultimatums.
            "The only lesson that can be learned from history is that people do not learn any lessons from history" B. Shaw
          2. Anper
            Anper 25 November 2013 11: 16
            +3
            [left] [/ left] Which program? What are we going to build? How are we going to raise the economy? The programs "Yulia - Freedom", "Ukraine is Europe", "Yanukovych - Get Out!" Do not explain anything, the European Union and Russia have already explained this topic. How will we eliminate complete chaos with tired people?
            1. In the book
              In the book 25 November 2013 16: 51
              +1
              Quote: Anper
              How will we raise the economy?

              Yes, just do not interfere with the people in Ukraine to work normally, earn, feed themselves and their family, organize jobs. And do not create bureaucratic chaos. Already got these cops, tax officials. The tax was combined with the Pension Fund, with customs, and now all the flows of budget funds have been locked in the hands of a protege of the family, a friend of the son of Yanukovych.
              It is impossible to work in the country.
              This is far from being the state of business in the country in 2005-2009.
              The family rules everything. There is practically no medium or small business in the country. Tenders for budget money win their firms, winding up fabulous margins.
              The people are already tired of this state banditry.
          3. alicante11
            alicante11 25 November 2013 13: 27
            +1
            from the SBU to the sanitary doctors are imposed with "monthly plans".


            And you can’t come up with anything new? And that already somehow got boring, does not make it ...
            1. Korben
              Korben 25 November 2013 16: 57
              +1
              Did he say something wrong or do you live in another dimension?
          4. Orik
            Orik 25 November 2013 13: 43
            +2
            And we are tired of Putin's system of government, BUT for lack of a stamp, we write in plain language. If the west comes it will be even worse, pro-Western oligarchs will take their toll and pay for help with the west. There is already an example of Eastern European countries brought to the status of colonies. THINK brothers, a good choice is the ONE of our people, and the appendage is not sweet you have a yanek, we have Putin. We will only think with our own pocket that we will lose the future.
        2. Simon
          Simon 25 November 2013 11: 30
          +5
          Under the Union, the Ukrainian people lived much better than the people in Russia.
          1. So_o_tozh
            So_o_tozh 25 November 2013 12: 51
            -4
            Quote: Simon
            Under the Union, the Ukrainian people lived much better than the people in Russia.

            And how is this confirmed?
            1. gladysheff2010
              gladysheff2010 25 November 2013 14: 17
              +6
              Quote: So_o_tozh
              Quote: Simon
              Under the Union, the Ukrainian people lived much better than the people in Russia.

              And how is this confirmed?
              For example, full priority gasification, and in Russia even on the Moscow-Piter highway there are still no gas in the villages, though there are already no many villages! Yes, and with the supply in Ukraine under the Union everything was not bad. I lived because . born in the 60th, and you?
            2. Victor-M
              Victor-M 25 November 2013 20: 29
              +3
              Quote: So_o_tozh
              And how is this confirmed?

              Your current state, you want a lot and for nothing. What can you do - they’re used to it.
            3. corn
              corn 25 November 2013 21: 09
              +2
              From the Soviet city of Belaya Kalitva (Rostov Region) went to the Soviet city of Voroshilovgrad (Ukrainian Lugansk), mind you not in Rostov-on-Don, for sausage and many other goods.
            4. Vasek
              Vasek 25 November 2013 22: 38
              0
              [/ Quote]
              And how is this confirmed? [/ Quote]

              Personal experience, the number of friends from Ukraine, the presence of the majority of ensigns (and not only) in the Soviet Army of Ukrainian origin and many, many other signs ...
            5. Shur
              Shur 25 November 2013 23: 40
              +1
              Trips there for food and other things of my Rodoks. I even remember that the top of the Soviet chic "wall" and that there was taken by Dad. Everything could be "got".
      4. bistrov.
        bistrov. 25 November 2013 11: 08
        +5
        Mr. "Captain Vrungel", do not distort the situation in Ukraine, offering all of us your "theory." Yes, in Ukraine, oligarchs are in power, yes, the people are powerless, tired of poverty, unemployment, corrupt officials
        1. 222222
          222222 25 November 2013 11: 20
          13
          bistrov. UA Today, 11:08 AM
          By the way, about birds .. "united" AppAsicia ... Three different leaders.
          Nationalist Tyagnibok, once on Mount Goverle calling to hang her and the Jews ... Obviously, something with his head ...
          Arseny ...... -successfully overthrowing Julia and taking her place in the party ... And now advocating for her release ... Does he need this?
          And a professional boxer, something like a "Russian" Kasparov .. "Abandoned to us by the will of rock .." .. Yes, he even has foreign sports coaches ...
          And the strangest thing is they supposedly together ... ??
          In principle, they should not be together .. And together ..
          Why? The answer is simple-OWNER is one ...
          1. Anper
            Anper 25 November 2013 12: 04
            +1
            Recently, a professional boxer on one of the central Ukrainian television channels could not distinguish import from export.
            And for that photo shoot famous in MAX magazine he will be taken to Europe without Maidan
      5. nov_tech.vrn
        nov_tech.vrn 25 November 2013 11: 59
        +1
        We multiply 80 hryvnia (the average amount prevailing in the market for yesterday) by 500000 (you can endure everything for 200000), divide by 10 and multiply by 1.2165, we get 486600 dollars, for a printing press this is not a load, but ugh. And the people in whose name, everything is covered up and who are again offered to tighten their belts, for the sake of "great European values", they are not interested in not orange owners, not white-blue, just orange for direct feeding. And Julia was put in prison for the wrong reason, she would have been in prison for organizing the murder of competitors, for stealing money and cashing in, but then she was not the only one to sit, so they came up with something funnier.
        1. atalef
          atalef 25 November 2013 12: 08
          +1
          we get 486600 dollars, for a printing press this is not a load, but t

          On the day, I correctly understood, it’s much cheaper to bribe the Rada, you don’t find it, all the more talking about a couple of dozen deputies, or do you think they are incorruptible in Ukraine?
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 25 November 2013 13: 35
            +2
            For depots, this is not money, they are all capitalists. They already have hundreds of thousands of accounts for everyone, if not millions.
      6. alicante11
        alicante11 25 November 2013 13: 23
        +1
        No need to spread rot on the people of Ukraine. No need to decide for him. He went out to defend himself from the Bandyukovich in power and is not divided into west and east


        Well, let's say I agree with you in the assessment of the Ukrainian elite. And then what? To chase, to summon again the oranjoids, all dressed in white and a friendly crowd will go to the paradise of Gay European as a "servant for everything"? Or will they again try to milk Russia for vague promises to integrate? After all, all this has already happened. And nothing changes from a change of places on Ukroolimpe. So what's the difference between Yanuca, Yushchenko, Kui?
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 25 November 2013 08: 02
    +3
    Quote: bomg.77
    I feel it will be transferred to strict mode

    It’s time, the woman was healed to death.
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 25 November 2013 08: 15
      +9
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      It’s time, the woman was healed to death.
      Not too early.! Intensive therapy and cleansing of the brain will begin anally. laughing
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 25 November 2013 08: 22
        0
        Quote: bomg.77
        and cleansing the brain anally.

        In the picture, Klitschko, as I understand it, looks like yes laughing
        1. bomg.77
          bomg.77 25 November 2013 09: 29
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          In the picture, Klitschko, as I understand it, looks like yes

          Alexander You have identified on the nose or on the championship belt on his pants laughing
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 25 November 2013 08: 32
        13
        Quote: bomg.77
        Intensive therapy and cleansing of the brain will begin anally.


        First, drug treatment with psychotropic preparations


        1. bomg.77
          bomg.77 25 November 2013 08: 50
          +4
          Quote: Ascetic
          First, drug treatment with psychotropic preparations
          a serious doctor in the picture, so suggests that you refuse bully
        2. Valery Neonov
          Valery Neonov 25 November 2013 09: 01
          +2
          What is "medicinal" for sure: Experts emphasize that the authorities and the President have already managed to get significant bonuses from Russia. So, it has already begun to give Kiev a loan of $ 10 billion - unlike the case with the European Union, where it was a question of power of $ 2 billion of macro-financial assistance, and then "later."-after such an "infusion" it is a sin not to reach out to the Savior (more ... more ...).
          see http: //lenta-ua.net/novosti/politika/38055-kakuyu-vygodu-poluchit-ukraina-o
          t-evropauzy.html
          ... there is no reason to mourn European integration and prepare for a "dark taiga future." On the contrary, it can be argued that in a difficult situation of balancing between two serious centers of influence, Ukraine decided to take a strong step that will cause respect for it, its position and interests. A move that will force both Moscow and Brussels to consider it not a junior, but rather an equal partner. So, by and large, everything is just beginning.
          1. volkodav
            volkodav 25 November 2013 09: 15
            +2
            there is no reason to mourn European integration and prepare for a “dark taiga future”. On the contrary, it can be argued that in a difficult situation of balancing between two serious centers of influence, Ukraine decided to take a strong step that will cause respect for it, its position and interests. A step that will force both Moscow and Brussels to consider it not a junior, but rather an equal partner.
            Bullshit who will consider the bum who drank everything equal to himself
  • air wolf
    air wolf 25 November 2013 07: 44
    14
    And I would have surrendered Ukraine to Europe, let it be like in Bulgaria, where everything that could have been taken to the west and now there is poverty all around. Only our "stars" buy real estate there)) because of Kirkorov, like he will help eat something)) well, there will be an agreement with gays.
    Only give Sevostopol and go to Europe in peace.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 25 November 2013 07: 47
      12
      Quote: air wolf
      Only give Sevostopol and go to Europe in peace.

      Not only Sevastopol! Not only!!!
      1. Canep
        Canep 25 November 2013 08: 03
        +9
        Quote: Hudo
        Not only Sevastopol! Not only!!!

        The whole Crimea and eastern Ukraine with a border along the Dnieper, and maybe to the west.
        1. magadanets
          magadanets 25 November 2013 10: 03
          +8
          But don’t crack the geyropa? Having lodged to give, and let them choke. Our Kiev. And they will not be satisfied, they won’t get it. Another half of the Poles are chopped off.
        2. Cristall
          Cristall 26 November 2013 01: 21
          +3
          Either all or nothing! Enough to divide - "dividers" divide a sovereign country like a brother! Stop making fashion out of this - to divide along the Dnieper. We will not give up Crimea and Sevastopol either - either all or nothing.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 25 November 2013 08: 04
      +6
      Quote: air wolf
      And I would pass Ukraine to Europe

      This also has a plus, a year and another revolution within the EU laughing But they are not taken to the EU, and the association on a free trade zone has nothing to do with it. It's just that stupid people think that this is the EU fool
      1. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 25 November 2013 08: 20
        +3
        Ukraine is a tidbit, just so no one will give
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 25 November 2013 08: 42
          0
          Quote: ivshubarin
          Ukraine is a tidbit, just so no one will give

          Everyone understands this, except for the Ukrainians themselves. And they also consider themselves to be independent. laughing
      2. Canep
        Canep 25 November 2013 08: 40
        +3
        Turkey, Morocco, Israel have such an association, but they will never become full members of the EU, Turkey is already eyeing the CU.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 25 November 2013 09: 00
          0
          Quote: Canep
          but they will never become full members of the EU,

          So they did not dream of living there either in Storage or Holland.
        2. oaziss
          oaziss 25 November 2013 11: 52
          +1
          Quote: Canep
          Turkey is already eyeing the CU.

          And what, in the Customs Union are ready to accept a member of NATO?
      3. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 25 November 2013 10: 41
        +7
        "... Just stupid people think ..." Alexander! What criteria did you use to determine that the people of Ukraine are stupid? Such as you, with imperial ambitions, arrogance in the superiority of your "elder brother", repel the people of Ukraine. You have to be more modest and smarter. Sorry for the harshness. For me, Russia is not an empty phrase and Ukraine is not a territory for any rabble, as you think. The people of Ukraine deserve a better fate and they will achieve this. The unpaid ones rose. The people of Ukraine rose from the center to the outskirts. He will do everything to sweep away this rotten, corrupt, bandit power. You have not heard the main appeal. "Get the gang". This brought people to the streets. The bandit authorities, through their "aunts", are already arranging clashes and provocations with the police, provoking them to use force and weapons.
        And again the main thing. THE PEOPLE RISE NOT FOR MONEY, BUT TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM CORRUPTION AND BANDITS IN THE ENTIRE VERTICAL OF POWER. The main motto is "Get Gang".
        1. xan
          xan 25 November 2013 19: 44
          +2
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          What criteria did you use to determine that the people of Ukraine are stupid? Such as you, with imperial ambitions, arrogance in the superiority of your "elder brother", repel the people of Ukraine.

          But we must begin to persuade the people of Ukraine and give money, preferably without return. And forget about the tremendous russophobia when "khaspopisyat".
          Personally, I'm not going to forget anything.
          You're a slug, captain vrungel
      4. komsomolets
        komsomolets 25 November 2013 11: 23
        16
        So this is really true - for some reason, the people think that Ukraine is being taken to the EU, although there could be no question of that. They show the square in Kiev, all these intelligent boys and girls enthusiastically telling that we are a European people and we go there They think that if they have learned to tweet and skip couples at the institutes, then they are all Europeans. In order to become a civilized state in Ukraine, you need to vie ... 24 hours a day, and not piz ... from the sound combination "EU". It is also very angry that the entire west of the country considers all people living in the east to be some kind of cattle and work animals, a scoop. But explain to me the gray man that it is better to work for yourself, for your country, giving it bread , metal, tanks, diesel locomotives, or chasing the euro, taking out pots from under the elderly Germans and Portuguese, collecting Polish strawberries, substitute your ..opa somewhere in Britain or Holland.
    3. seller trucks
      seller trucks 25 November 2013 10: 17
      0
      Quote: air wolf
      And I would have handed over Ukraine to Europe, even if it is like in Bulgaria, everything that they could have taken to the West is there and now poverty is everywhere


      a couple of months ago, I also thought, now not, I'm afraid to jinx the pah-pah-pah, but it seems life is getting better.
    4. seller trucks
      seller trucks 25 November 2013 10: 34
      +1
      Quote: air wolf
      Only give Sevostopol and go to Europe in peace.


      (-) fig, every meter of this land is paid for with Russian blood, and you propose to squander this land.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 25 November 2013 13: 42
        +2
        So already squandered. Late to drink Borjomi, if the liver fell off. They just speculate on fraternal feelings. It is necessary to forget about what is gone and to preserve what is. And all sorts of brothers either come with their own guilty heads, or let them disappear, since there is no mind. And how in that fable with a dog it turns out and bone.
  • Same lech
    Same lech 25 November 2013 07: 45
    +1
    negative some details of the "association" with Europe, which the Prime Minister of Ukraine Azarov had already hinted at, and immediately fell silent.
    IN THE STUDIO details-PEOPLE WANTS TO KNOW how much euro they wanted to sell it.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 25 November 2013 07: 48
      +4
      Quote: The same Lech
      negative some details of the "association" with Europe, which the Prime Minister of Ukraine Azarov had already hinted at, and immediately fell silent.
      IN THE STUDIO details-PEOPLE WANTS TO KNOW how much euro they wanted to sell it.


      Since Judah, prices have not changed. All the same damned thirty coins.
  • Sayapo
    Sayapo 25 November 2013 07: 45
    35
    After reading a huge number of articles, I did not understand what economic benefits would be for the European Union?
    Now, on all channels in Ukraine, they are talking about joining the EU. And no one can answer this question))))
    For myself, I concluded 8 years ago - you need to stay closer to the fraternal peoples)
    P.S. Politics you are drunk - go home)))
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 25 November 2013 08: 00
      +5
      Quote: Sayapo
      What economic benefits will be for the European Union?

      Yes, it is not so much economic, although not completely without it, how to finally tear Ukraine away from Russia. And there, according to the same scenario, as with many other republics of the former USSR
      1. Kite
        Kite 25 November 2013 08: 15
        +7
        I'm afraid the goal is worse! Would you like to arrange a large territory of instability and conflicts near the Russian border. What will happen if the people begin to destroy all power, having lost faith in everyone ?!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 25 November 2013 08: 30
          +2
          Quote: Kite
          . What will happen if the people begin to destroy all power, having lost faith in everyone ?!

          Yes, nothing will happen, provided that the people are dull before our eyes. One part is passive, the second is active. They stand on the square with EU flags, as if in Vilnius they should join the EU.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 25 November 2013 08: 05
      +4
      Quote: Sayapo
      Now, on all channels in Ukraine, they are talking about joining the EU.

      And who invited Ukraine to the EU ???????????????????????????
    3. Andrey57
      Andrey57 25 November 2013 09: 48
      12
      The economic benefit is very simple - to destroy the Ukrainian industry completely and get a market for the sale of EU products with a capacity of more than 50 million people, due to this, get out of the economic priests, keeping the EU at least in a truncated form, without this sale of goods, the EU has a very ghostly future, as regards political dividends, they are obvious - even Brzezinski said that "without Ukraine, Russia is not an empire" as long as a single nation is disunited, it can be easily dealt with.
      1. Shur
        Shur 25 November 2013 23: 50
        0
        Here it must be added that without a separate part, Russia is not the whole. Kaby, from stretching in different directions, would not tear pants ...
    4. Oberst_71
      Oberst_71 25 November 2013 11: 18
      +3
      will be approximately the same as in the Baltic states. those. complete extermination of agriculture. We have entered the WTO and where, what? Where are the cheap products?
    5. Sochi
      Sochi 25 November 2013 11: 19
      +4
      The benefit is weakening Russia, Ukraine is a bargaining chip ... Sadly, Ukraine itself has depreciated economically and politically, as a player it is not quoted.
    6. 222222
      222222 25 November 2013 11: 42
      +4
      Sayapo UA Today, 07:45
      ",, after reading a huge number of articles ,,"
      Now it is NOT fashionable to read V.I. Lenin .. And the answer was given long ago .. in 1916 -1917 "Imperialism, as the highest stage of capitalism .."
      .. The imperialist monopolies are fighting for territories, for areas of the most profitable markets, for sources of raw materials, objects of capital investment. The pursuit of financial capital for all new profits corresponds to "... international politics, which boils down to the struggle of the great powers for the economic and political division of the world ..."
      1. Starik63
        Starik63 25 November 2013 20: 26
        0
        Well done!!! 5 points!! And most importantly - the topic and everyone understands !! I respect.
      2. corn
        corn 25 November 2013 21: 26
        0
        "... international politics, which boils down to the struggle of the great powers for the economic and political division of the world ..."
        Very successful quotation of V.I. Lenin, and many here say that out of fraternal feelings, s, and in Russia, in my opinion, is capitalism.
        1. corn
          corn 26 November 2013 08: 44
          0
          For the minus, I’m not offended, it’s not difficult to calculate the reaction, but without explanation it’s a GAV from the gateway.
      3. Shur
        Shur 25 November 2013 23: 51
        0
        He read it from Marx ..
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 25 November 2013 07: 53
    +5
    hi Well, one can rejoice for the PEOPLE of Ukraine (a real nation, not rabid Maidan people!), No matter what prompted Yanukovych to "turn away from the EU. Let's hope to return to the issue of" European integration "in Ukraine will not return.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 25 November 2013 07: 57
      +2
      Quote: Valery Neonov
      Let's hope to return to the issue of "European integration" in Ukraine will not return.

      This is unlikely! (C) Hired positioners have no other topic for a heart-rending screech - in fact, they are paid for this from the Amer’s budget, therefore they are in the Amer’s embassy in Kiev, more often than in the bathhouse.
    2. atalef
      atalef 25 November 2013 12: 11
      -1
      Quote: Valery Neon
      hi Well, one can rejoice for the PEOPLE of Ukraine (a real nation, not rabid Maidan people!), No matter what prompted Yanukovych to "turn away from the EU. Let's hope to return to the issue of" European integration "in Ukraine will not return.

      What did ngo make? Yes, no one knows, maybe they bought it? The same option cannot be ruled out.
  • mak210
    mak210 25 November 2013 07: 57
    +9
    Quote: Sayapo
    After reading a huge number of articles, I did not understand what economic benefits would be for the European Union?


    Sales markets, raw materials, electricity. Coal, iron ore, manganese, nickel and uranium, and many other natural resources. Sulfur reserves are the largest in the world, and in terms of mercury ore reserves (cinnabar) it occupies the second place in the world, more than 5% of the world's iron ore reserves are concentrated in Ukraine. During WWII, Hitler held on to Ukraine until the last due to manganese, Manstein was strictly forbidden to leave the Dnieper. All this will almost instantly fall into the hands of foreigners, and in Europe with fossils trouble. A very serious business, but Ukrainians will not get a penny, as we do under production sharing agreements. Primitive gop-stop.

    They say that for the normal functioning of the Empire you need to have a population of at least 300 million people, and so they are reaching out.
    1. atalef
      atalef 25 November 2013 12: 14
      0
      They say that for the normal functioning of the Empire you need to have a population of at least 300 million people, and so they are reaching out.

      Who is reaching out? 500 million in the EU, you wouldn’t be happy with provocations here
  • Igor39
    Igor39 25 November 2013 08: 02
    +1
    The fourth Reich has so far broken off with Ukraine. I think that all these political games with integration imply economic weakening and a pen for debts.
  • Grbear
    Grbear 25 November 2013 08: 05
    +6
    Yanukovych "paused" - read "stood up" from two chairs and began to "twist the sight".
    - Or maybe the Father of Russian democracy will be enough ...
    - Bargaining is not appropriate here! Snapped Ostap.
    - Yes! - assented Kitty.
    Ilf and Petrov "Twelve Chairs"
  • Kite
    Kite 25 November 2013 08: 09
    +1
    If they talk about integration with Germany, then I understand what they expect. But what does it mean when talking about European integration? Did the Balts integrate with the Jews? So what?? Margarine, sprats and balts now come true in Europe? No, only the Balts themselves are self-propelled and make their way to Europe for some work.
  • Sanyht
    Sanyht 25 November 2013 08: 12
    +4
    Ukraine !!! two gangs of looters are robbing and deciding without asking for the opinion of PEOPLE! And the Eternal Flames of Brezhnev’s insanity are burning throughout the country, although there is NO PAYING FOR GAS ... - neither to the COUNTRY nor to ordinary citizens who have been charged with PRICES higher than American , and ... paying in offices contingent RIP to the levels of Honduras!
  • TAIM
    TAIM 25 November 2013 08: 16
    +1
    Another game of Yanukovych. to cut off grandmas on an easy. therefore, it promises everyone everything. the main thing to hold out before the election. and there you can climb a new Europe.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 25 November 2013 08: 36
      +1
      Quote: TAIM
      Another game of Yanukovych. to cut off grandmas on an easy.

      Yeah, he already cut it down so that there is nothing to pay salaries. The time of unsuspecting suckers has passed.
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 25 November 2013 09: 59
        +1
        But he definitely cut it down. Not for Ukraine, of course (is there someone who thinks differently? Oy-oo-oo-oo) but for himself. That is, he is the only one who knew exactly the time, place and content of Ukraine's response. As soon as the EU got the tinsel, what happened on the stock exchange? A good package of Eurobonds "for a fall" and ... The only thing that is interesting - through whom was it scrolled? Because they might not give it back ...
      2. Korben
        Korben 25 November 2013 13: 39
        +1
        He cuts for himself personally! People to him poh.r!
    2. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 25 November 2013 08: 48
      +3
      Quote: TAIM
      Another game of Yanukovych. to cut off grandmas on an easy. therefore, it promises everyone everything. the main thing to hold out before the election. and there you can climb a new Europe.

      I agree! Russia will now write off all their debts to them, will give a bunch of loans, will make reduced gas prices, and then they will take up their duties again. As long as the Ukrainian government is not pro-Russian, and the Western government’s opposition to the State Department’s money will cease to influence the country's leadership, everything will continue. would go on. They would go to Europe, and over time, the people of eastern Ukraine would themselves join Russia.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 25 November 2013 09: 02
        +3
        Quote: ramzes1776
        ! Russia will now write off all their debts to them, give a bunch of loans, make preferential gas prices, and then they will take on their own again

        Yeah, damn it, after Ukraine turned Russia over 23 for all its brains, only very naive people will take their word for it.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 25 November 2013 09: 54
          +5
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Yeah, damn it, after Ukraine turned Russia over 23 for all its brains, only very naive people will take their word for it.

          I watched on Ukrainian TV show how Prime Minister Azarov JUSTIFIED in front of the "smart Savik", as a careless student on the exam, why Ukraine at the last moment changed its mind "to enter the EU."
          It seems that the Ukrainian leadership is permanently inadequate due to a misunderstanding of the current moment, in view of the apparent lack of control over the situation.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 25 November 2013 12: 36
            +2
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            It seems that the Ukrainian leadership is permanently inadequate due to a misunderstanding of the current moment, in view of the apparent lack of control over the situation.

            Yanukovych with a gop company fell into a hole that he himself dug up.
            The "pit" also means the "landing" of Yulia, with the US and US bargaining started after this with Europe, and the breakdown in relations with the Russian Federation.
            The ruling elite of Ukraine "played too much", completely unaware of the consequences of extremely risky steps, and even with a depressing economic situation.
            It is not necessary to get into the "hole" a lot ... But getting out of it is a difficult task at the moment.
            Let the financial sector recover with the help of Russia, not a vague prospect, but a predictable process that can ease the tension.
            But what will they do with the Maidan ???
          2. goldfinger
            goldfinger 25 November 2013 12: 50
            +7
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            It seems that the Ukrainian leadership is permanently inadequate due to a misunderstanding of the current moment, in view of the apparent lack of control over the situation.

            Neighbor Belarus.
            But Putin did not bend Yanukovych, but his own oligarchs, seeing what losses they suffer from the loss of the sales market in Russia.
            Putin simply defends the interests of his country: if you want to go to Europe, you have the flag in your hands, but we will also find other suppliers.
            1. yur
              yur 25 November 2013 21: 49
              0
              So it's on the forehead, on the forehead. Putin bent the Ukrainian oligarchs, and they followed Yanukovych.
      2. olviko
        olviko 25 November 2013 09: 15
        +3
        It is very clear what Russia is offering. This has been said hundreds of times: Ukraine will receive domestic Russian gas prices and will be allowed on the Russian market. These two points will outweigh 20 times what Europe offers. For those who love numbers, it all looks like this. Suppose Ukraine consumes 25 billion cubic meters of Russian gas, say, at a price of $ 460 per 1000 cubic meters, which, in terms of evergreens, will be $ 11,5 billion per year. In the case of the domestic Russian price of $ 160, with the same consumption, you will have to pay only $ 4 billion. The amount of funds released on gas alone will be $ 7,5 billion. There’s no need to sell anything here, and you don’t need to tighten your belts. Now think about what will happen if Russia opens its market.
        1. Korben
          Korben 25 November 2013 13: 42
          -3
          Russia will not lower the price to 160. Now negotiations are underway on 260.
        2. CTEPX
          CTEPX 25 November 2013 13: 58
          +1
          Quote: olviko
          It is very clear what Russia is offering. This has been said hundreds of times:

          Assigning analytics without links is not good)) .http: //contrpost.com/en/78-2013-05-10-13-45-19/3396-yanukovich-provel-k
          rash-test-evropy
          It smells of plagiarism)).
        3. Orik
          Orik 25 November 2013 14: 02
          0
          The quote is then taken in brackets b, and then as a direct speech.
    3. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 25 November 2013 09: 46
      0
      Yanukovych has lost all political independence and such abrupt "gestures" prove it. He will do what the Kremlin tells him to do. After all, the idea of ​​Russia + Ukraine + EU does not belong to Yanukovych, it was only repeated after the GDP. hi
  • ed65b
    ed65b 25 November 2013 08: 28
    +8
    while the power will be without teeth, the Maidan will go on non-stop. What Yanukovych needs to learn from GDP is the use of power. Siloviki are whipping boys. Once, it’s hard to fool the oppositionists with landings for attempting a coup d'etat and it will all end.
    1. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 25 November 2013 08: 43
      +6
      You can’t invite Lukashenko to Kiev for a while, well, as the acting president of Ukraine, you won’t be fooled by that!
      1. Orik
        Orik 25 November 2013 14: 03
        +4
        Yes, he will not hurt in Moscow even without the VRIO prefix ... repeat
        1. Shur
          Shur 25 November 2013 23: 56
          0
          This is dangerous, it may not understand what is in the device of a vigorous suitcase.
          1. Orik
            Orik 26 November 2013 00: 39
            +1
            So there, two officers are attached to the suitcase, but with the determination of Lukashenko, many will have a dream.
            1. Shur
              Shur 26 November 2013 00: 54
              +3
              So father himself generalissimo! Who knows how to rule the fate of the world in the heat of the day :)
    2. Mhpv
      Mhpv 25 November 2013 10: 16
      0
      Quote: ed65b
      Once, they will fool the oppositionists with landings for attempting a coup d'etat and it will all end.

      At this stage, this is almost the only way to calm the situation. The opposition and geyropera will try and calm down. Now you can’t give a chance to shake the country and so rushing in a tailspin. Sometimes the president just needs to show firmness and determination and take unpopular measures as they say.
  • major071
    major071 25 November 2013 08: 42
    +6
    I watched today about the Maidan. It can be seen that everything is prepared in advance and paid for everything. The theme flickered that the Americans held special seminars to organize protest marches. I think that this will continue for a long time, but what it will lead to is an interesting question. If Yanukovych continues to wag his tail and does not take a firm stance on the refusal to sign the association with the EU, then everything could result in riots, because people are looking at power, and if power is weak and there is nothing to be done, then why is such power needed and why should it be fought for it.
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 25 November 2013 09: 09
      +3
      It is clear here that the Maidan has been paid, as well as all the bogs and other revolutions and putschs. Shito is not like white thread, but black tart over white.
    2. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 25 November 2013 09: 32
      0
      Azarov, as prime minister, decided to bang his fist:"We will, of course, look very closely. We know that these actions are financed, for example. If this is all done within the framework of the legislation, it is normal. If this is all done in violation of the framework of the legislation, then, of course, the government will not behave like this. as it did in 2004, when the technology of overthrowing the legitimate government was quite calmly carried out before our eyes. And here we, as they say, will not play "[/ i see: http://top.rbc.ru/politics/24/11/2013/890679.shtml
  • Archikah
    Archikah 25 November 2013 08: 48
    +7
    Under the USSR, I went on vacation to my relatives in the Ukraine (Odessa region), and now, whenever possible, I help my impoverished relatives just to survive. What you learned with the rich republic - you are amazed. Blatant incompetence, multiplied by political games, without taking into account the interests of the people. And how to give the European Union, our half of Ukraine. The one that speaks and does not gutar in Russian. Correctly BB persuaded Yanukovych to make a "correct" decision. 1/3 of Ukrainians are our people.
    1. Shur
      Shur 25 November 2013 23: 58
      0
      Most he-e-tam, almost all of our people.
  • UVB
    UVB 25 November 2013 08: 55
    0
    And now I am worried about the question - will Yanukovych stand against the second "Maidan", will he not surrender as the first time? That would be too much.
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 25 November 2013 10: 05
      0
      Are you offering to bleed? Armed to disperse the Maidan. And the consequences? A bunch of "peacekeepers" on earth, from heaven and sea, will rush to defend crap democracy. So what? The power will scatter to the staked out offshore zones, the police historically, traditionally cowardly hide, but there is no combat-ready army. People. The people don't care anymore. He soothes himself, "It could be worse." One shot can provoke unintended consequences. And the citizens of Ukraine do not need this.
      Gangster power, gr. Azarov may be right, methods of dispersal of the Maidan can be gangster, power. But the death of those in power can be according to the scenario, as with Ceausescu, under the fence.
      1. UVB
        UVB 25 November 2013 10: 26
        +2
        What are you speaking about? I had no such thoughts in my thoughts. Let the rallies be blue in the face, there on the Maidan gathered those who still have nothing to do, and those on whom the Ukrainian economy is still holding on, continue to work.
  • Stas57
    Stas57 25 November 2013 09: 06
    +6
    Why was everyone so excited?
    In this matter, I agree with the opinion of Leontiev, who believes that Ukraine should not have been prevented from joining the EU.
    I remember very well the conversations like, "Enough to feed the maskals, we need independence," we separated, staged a circus with horses from their country, I wanted to join the EU, well, go, so then there would be no yelling, "We were not allowed into the EU." go on, Poland will be very happy to get back a couple of tidbits ....
    As you do not understand, you are nevertheless with us, with Russia, so tied that we have one way — to go together and nothing else.
    If it is not clear to the head, it will be clear the fifth point, when the EU will throw, but there will be no offense at us.
    Dear citizens of Ukraine, brothers, I sincerely feel sorry for you that you have to suffer because of a certain number of freaks.
    I wish you and your (our) country peace, prosperity and prosperity.
  • morpogr
    morpogr 25 November 2013 09: 14
    0
    It’s time for Yanukovych to decide whether Russia and the TS can live within their means and independence, or follow the State Department’s decrees through the Geyropei branch and receive handouts in the form of loans so that they cannot escape.
  • pensioner
    pensioner 25 November 2013 09: 15
    +1
    Now much is said about some kind of bargaining between Ukraine and the European Union, and with Moscow.

    In the morning the news passed: the EU is ready to discuss the issues of Ukraine’s European integration in the format of EU + Ukraine + Russia. They are ready for everything to integrate Ukraine: here you will get gas and a new format ... They will promise more money ... Anyway.
    1. corn
      corn 25 November 2013 21: 40
      -1
      The EU + Ukraine + Russia on the issues of supplying Russian gas to Europe is understandable: the supplier is Russia, the transporter is Ukraine, Europe is a consumer, and on the issue of Ukraine’s European integration, why is it for Russia.
      1. corn
        corn 26 November 2013 08: 38
        0
        I’m not offended for the minus, it’s not difficult to calculate the reaction, but without explanation it’s a GAV from the gateway. Or to explain is not a royal matter.
  • os9165
    os9165 25 November 2013 09: 20
    11
    I THINK UKRAINIANS AIM FOR THE EU BECAUSE CORRUPTION AND POVERTY GOT. BUT THAT INTERESTING HANSES ARE SILENT. Why do the Hans need one more rogue WHICH YOU NEED TO FEED, do you need to work and not gulp? There is no other way.
    1. UVB
      UVB 25 November 2013 10: 21
      +7
      Only here it is not necessary to speak for all Ukrainians! In our East, I did not notice something of such a desire. Our industry is mainly focused on the Russian market, and association with the EU puts an end to it!
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv 25 November 2013 10: 47
        +4
        Quote: UVB
        Our industry is mainly focused on the Russian market

        This industry was created not by Ukraine and not Russia, but by the USSR and it was oriented towards the economic benefits of raw materials and processing, and was accordingly connected with Russia and I think with other republics of the former union, but certainly more with Russia. For example, the Lisichansk refinery was when then Europe’s largest primary oil refining company, 24 million tons, and now the largest supplier of scrap metal.
        That’s the most interesting thing that the traps are yelling about Europe, and at least in Moscow and Moscow Region there are more traps working than from the east, here it is duplicity.
      2. os9165
        os9165 25 November 2013 15: 06
        0
        That is what the people of Ukraine want.
        -This song is a contender for the Euromaidan anthem.
  • stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 25 November 2013 09: 39
    11
    ... Kiev until the last moment did not believe that European democracy was completely gangster, with a colt in his pocket. After all, his neighbor Poland was once given the euro room: all debts were written off, and they gave as much money from above ...
    Poland managed to jump on the bandwagon of the outgoing train. Such a beautiful train. But a ticket to her (Poland) was issued in the old reserved seat of the last car, near the toilet.
    Ukraine has prepared a towed platform (well, a gondola car, to the extreme) at the price of an SV wagon.
    And the right of everyone who has bought a ticket to refuse a trip if the provided conditions do not correspond to what was promised the day before, when the ticket office, with the EU signboard, colorfully described the fabulous conditions of a trip to a "bright" dyarmoraticheskogo and tolerant future.
  • Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 25 November 2013 09: 59
    +4
    Blackmail as a policy tool in Ukraine is already traditional. Yanukovych, with his spectacle of "European integration", is simply trying to engage in blackmail, both for Russia and the EU. You can't sit on two chairs.
  • Letterksi
    Letterksi 25 November 2013 09: 59
    +5
    Judging by yesterday's and today's events, it looks like Europe includes a "B" plan. It is at such moments that countries prove their right to exist and personal opinion. Hold on Ukraine! These Euro-jackals want to finally divide and destroy us in parts, or better, set us on each other
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 25 November 2013 10: 44
      0
      Quote: LetterKsi
      Judging by yesterday's and today's events, it looks like Europe includes a "B" plan.
      There, from Brussels, eurocamissars make statements on behalf of the Ukrainian people (like Yanukovych, laughing ) True, they do not say who authorized them to make such statements.
      1. Shur
        Shur 26 November 2013 00: 13
        0
        B..there are commissars again ..Living su-ki
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 25 November 2013 10: 06
    +2
    But this is a turn! Only now they grabbed onto Ukraine tightly, they won't let go of it so easily, Europe doesn't really need Ukraine, the interests of "Empire" are clearly visible here, they will now put pressure on all levers and launch all ties. The State Department will probably even refuse lunch, the CIA will launch the third shift, the NSA Echelon will cut it to the full, but strangely enough, there is a chance to speak out to the people of Ukraine, they want to go to Europe, no Russia will stop it, no Europe will want to join the Customs Union and all sorts of the CIA and NSA will not interfere, but they will hide the offense and they will also remember it. It's like in the game, only two choices, there is no third, and you won't be able to reboot. Only for Russia, Ukraine is not a ram against Europe and "Empire" , but for "Empire" Ukraine is just a weapon that is used and thrown away.
  • Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 25 November 2013 10: 26
    +4
    Again Ukraine is holding a meeting. She returned again in 2004, when the Orange were striving for power.
    Again the same scenario. The same methods.
    Propaganda is a very powerful and effective way to break people's beliefs and will.
    Then comes the herd instinct and mass psychosis.
    And for this, it’s enough just to create an image of the enemy in the form of cold, hunger, devastation and humiliation (which supposedly comes from Russia) and tie a sweet carrot (in the face of the EU) with its pseudo neatness, satiety, civilization and benefits. Focus on comparing opposites.
    The fact is that the one running after the carrot does not look under his feet, does not notice the danger. Any attempt to stop him will be met with aggression.
    What we have at the moment in Ukraine. How events will develop further - time will tell. Yanukovych often took the position of a weather vane, which gave the United States an occasion to launch a movement for the integration of Ukraine with Europe.
  • Fin
    Fin 25 November 2013 10: 31
    +4
    “Farewell to America,” as the Butusov and Geyrope sings!

    And in my opinion, not everything is over yet. Yanukovych took a timeout half a year or before the election and is waiting for who will offer more. He sits like a khan on the throne and waits for gifts. We will lower gas prices and credit them to support the pants. At the same time, Yanyk does not sign anything. The geyropa will gather his thoughts and either give a loan or expropriate the loot acquired by the overwork of the oligarchs and his family. All this will sound like a robbery of the people (which it is) and here it will smell the revolution. And if 10 billion is thrown, then there will be nothing to cover Yanyk. Waiting for.
  • rereture
    rereture 25 November 2013 10: 43
    -2
    I’ll give it easier, France 3-0 Ukraine pulled up. Ukraine flew with the World Cup, and was offended by the whole of Europe.
  • Liss.
    Liss. 25 November 2013 10: 44
    0
    I want to make a reservation right away that almost all relatives are in Ukraine.
    What is the future with Nenka?
    Yes, not a damn good.
    Refusal to start Eurointegration is a freeze frame with a fall. The movie will go, the fall will continue.
    Union with Europe is a complete * oop for the "independence of the land", which the KraKuchYushchyans have been talking about for so long.
    The alliance with Russia is smaller, but also * oops.
    What does Russia "have to offer" to its "sister"? What is this "fishing rod" that we will give a friend to catch fish? Modernizing the economy? The rise of the village? Innovative technology? Employment for Gaster?
    All the same, no, because in the land of birches, despite the unique financial capabilities and with the centralization of power in the same hands, Nothing has been done. We continue to export the "blood of the earth". That's how we live. All our ambitious projects are geared towards raw materials. All prospects are in the extraction of minerals.
    For "show-off" at the international level (or for people?) - the Universiade-Olympic-championship marathon, accompanied by summits worth billions.
    The Skolkovo project was promoted as a breakthrough, and Serdyukov from the economy Chubais is at the head. Somehow I can’t believe that the project will be successful. Yes, and they are silent about him already in a rag.
    Yes, a lot of what we have behind the window of a non-drinking ...
    And what now: "Hurray, Ukraine is with us?" We are ready take responsibility for the state of affairs in Ukraine, when we ourselves have a brothel on wheels in the country? Or will we strengthen our "brotherly ties" with another loan for gas and pensions? So what's the brotherhood here?
    Yanyk did not go to Ev-pu, as he was afraid not only not to be re-elected, but simply to be swept away after the "proposed" "reforms" to him.
    Russia, on the other hand, found itself in a losing position, Ukraine did not reach the floor. With the EU, this would have happened sooner and more painfully, with the RF-Ukraine falls with an umbrella in hand. The trouble is, when she slams on the floor, the first words will be - "From, * la, could not give a parachute!", And not "Dyakuyu for parasolka!" There will be accusations that "life was broken" by obstructing the EU.
    Mutual love could have turned out when it would have been necessary to "wash-warm-up-intoxicate", that is, - after gulkes in the EU.
    What's the conclusion? To be an "R" "empire" (as Z. Bzezhinsky used to say, only with "U" is possible) it is necessary to create conditions, "to change the brains of our" servants "so that the country is considered a family. So that the neighbors strive to become subjects, and not stupidly buy them loyalty.
    There will always be an opportunity to outbid such neighbors.
    1. Mhpv
      Mhpv 25 November 2013 11: 03
      +1
      Quote: Liss.
      I want to make a reservation right away that almost all relatives in Ukraine

      Based on your comment, the conclusion suggests itself:
      "I myself suck, even helping you?"
      Well, you are worried about relatives. request
      1. Liss.
        Liss. 25 November 2013 11: 18
        +5
        No, wrong.
        To help, you need to KNOW HOW and BE ABLE.
        It is customary for relatives to help with employment, training, protection from offenders, and treatment.
        By giving relatives only money, you show their worthlessness, begging. They are grateful for this, but they do not feel gratitude.
        We buy "loyalty" and pay off with handouts.
        1. Mhpv
          Mhpv 25 November 2013 11: 56
          0
          Quote: Liss.
          Rodne decided to help with employment

          You too are going to employ pensioners.
          Quote: Liss.
          training

          For the time being I was helped, I laid out but dlch you again:
          In Lisichansk on November 18 2013, in a large meeting room of the city’s executive committee, a seminar was organized by the Polish company EURO-PA consult group, which recruits foreign students to study at Polish universities. The theme of the seminar is “European Integration in Education. Bologna education system. ”
          Studying in Poland: instructions for applicants
          Representatives of universities in the Pomeranian Voivodeship of Poland, using the example of higher educational institutions of the cities of Gdansk and Gdynia, spoke about the features of getting an education in Europe.

          There are handouts and there are investments and joint projects.
          Quote: Liss.
          We buy "loyalty" and pay off with handouts.

          In your opinion, the West is not trying to buy loyalty by giving handouts. We have already lost one country of the USSR, well, let's see how our relatives are torn off from us further, just do not forget that then the body will be cut into pieces, this body is objectionable to the West.
          The whole world is so arranged since ancient times — or they conquered or bought, and nothing will change in the future.
          1. Liss.
            Liss. 25 November 2013 12: 44
            +1
            Quote: mhpv
            You are also going to employ pensioners

            Where do you live?
            In Russia, most retirees work or work part-time.
            Others help children if they are not "cuckoo children". And pensioners - to children. They work with grandchildren, for example.
            True, if it is a NORMAL family.
            Who thinks about the future, lives in the present, and respects yesterday.

            Quote: mhpv
            Quote: Liss.training, Now I was helped, I laid out but dlch you again:

            I'm talking to you about the "family of brotherly peoples", and you are trying to shove into the "family" of "golubykh". I do not advise, somehow incorrect.
            Quote: mhpv
            There are handouts and there are investments and joint projects.

            There is? Announce the list of new BAMs, Bratsk, virgin lands, KhTZ, DneproGES. Russian-Ukrainian. And so - some "investments".
            In the toilet.

            Quote: mhpv
            Quote: Liss. We buy "loyalty" and pay off with handouts. In your opinion, the West is not trying to buy loyalty by giving handouts.
            I told you, "I have relatives in Ukraine." And I deeply "violet" what someone else is trying to do for her and how "it is accepted in the world."
            It is important what I do for her and how. "Buy" or "help".
            Quote: mhpv
            The whole world is so arranged since ancient times — or they conquered or bought, and nothing will change in the future.

            Russia did not conquer Ukraine. This is the "Svidomo Banderlog" only such a concept. And brotherhood is not bought.

            Quote: zmey_gadukin
            We have already lost one country of the USSR. Well, let's see how relatives are torn from us further, just do not forget that then the body will be cut into pieces, this body is objectionable to the West.

            Families, if they are "normal," are created by love and mutual respect. It disappears - families are crumbling.
            You propose to build a "family" on the fear of rape, followed by a "flight". This also happens. But this is a cheap trick.
            1. Liss.
              Liss. 25 November 2013 13: 16
              0
              Quote: Liss.
              Liss.


              Today, 12: 44 -1

              But in fact there is no objection! wink
            2. Mhpv
              Mhpv 25 November 2013 13: 17
              -3
              Quote: Liss.
              I'm talking to you about the "family of brotherly peoples", and you are trying to shove into the "family" of "golubykh". I do not advise, somehow incorrect.

              Are you so stupid or pretending to be? Moreover, the blue ones and attempts to impose training in Poland do not reach anyone who will be taught there.
              Keep your advice to yourself.
              Quote: Liss.
              Where do you live?
              In Russia, most retirees work or work part-time.

              I live in Russia, so tell tales about working pensioners. Pensioners in Russia can work in Moscow and the Moscow Region or major cities, and then for 10 thousand rubles.
              Quote: Liss.
              "Buy" or "help"

              do not contradict yourself and twist off twisting comments, I think these are your words:
              By giving relatives only money, you show their worthlessness, begging. They are grateful for this, but they do not feel gratitude.

              Quote: Liss.
              A brotherhood is not bought.

              A generation has grown up in Ukraine that no longer knows that brotherhood, so explain it to them.
              Quote: Liss.
              You propose to build a "family" on the fear of rape, followed by a "flight". This also happens. But this is a cheap trick.

              This is generally an opus not in tyn not in the gates.
              And there is no need to poke around with a "NORMAL" family, I have it quite normal, I don't know about you, since you are so offended by Ukraine.
              Water does not flow under a lying stone, so you need to shift and shift something together and not wait for someone to move something.
              1. Liss.
                Liss. 25 November 2013 15: 51
                0
                Quote: mhpv
                Are you so stupid or pretending to be? Moreover, the blue ones and attempts to impose training in Poland do not reach anyone who will be taught there.

                Let me explain: I talked about the Russia-Ukraine relationship.
                You are about mischievous bourgeois.
                Yes, external factors affect, but only when there is soil, half-words in the relationship. Or are you going to include a new person in the bilateral process?

                And your question: “Who will be taught there” is interesting.
                In my opinion, not Lugansk machine builders, Donetsk miners, Nikolaev shipbuilders.
                So "WHO"?
                Probably Ukrainian Nemtsov, Navalny, Kasparov, a couple of Sobchachek ...
                And these are authorities, “lords of the minds”? Should they be afraid? Ukraine constantly scratches this "Honduras", giving it significance. Yuscha somehow "combed" ...
                Where are they, the Russian “swamp” op-positioners?
                The revolution of "mink coats and quilted jackets" ended with the end of the money for the revolution ... Shouted, parted. They tried to debate - they got a proportionate response. All!
              2. Liss.
                Liss. 25 November 2013 16: 20
                -1
                Quote: mhpv
                Quote: Liss. "I buy" or "help" do not contradict myself and get out distorting comments, in my opinion these are your words: By giving only money to your relatives, you show their worthlessness, wickedness. For this, they thank, but feel no gratitude.

                Hmm, quote correctly. Higher:
                Quote: Liss.
                I told you, "I have relatives in Ukraine." And I deeply "violet" what someone else is trying to do for her and how "it is accepted in the world." It is important what I do for her and how. "Buy" or "help".
                - It should be understood, “I help.” You offer to "buy" loyalty.
              3. Liss.
                Liss. 25 November 2013 16: 35
                0
                Quote: mhpv
                A generation has grown up in Ukraine that no longer knows that brotherhood, so explain it to them.

                Thanks for the advice, I report: “I already explain, being every year. The audience is small, relatives, but grateful.
                The brotherhood is understood correctly.
                Probably because I do not teach and do not explain, but I relate as relatives. Without notations, toadies, bribery and threats. So would Ros-Ukrainian. And Ukrainian.-ROS. Relations would be built. Song would be
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                1. Mhpv
                  Mhpv 25 November 2013 21: 26
                  -1
                  Quote: Liss.
                  “In order not to be raped, like your mother is a foreigner, I offer you cohabitation. Your opinion to me to the "bulb".

                  Bringing allegories the next time, do this using the example of your mother or family of whom you have all heard the comments.
                  You began to rest:
                  Quote: Liss.
                  Union with Russia is smaller, but also * opa. What does Russia "have to offer" to "sister"? What is this "fishing rod" that we will give a friend to catch fish? Modernizing the economy? The rise of the village? Innovative technology? Employment for Gaster? All the same, no, because in the land of birches, despite the unique financial capabilities and with the centralization of power in the same hands, this has not been done. We continue to export the "blood of the earth". That's how we live. All our ambitious projects are geared towards raw materials. All prospects are in the extraction of minerals. For "show-off" at the international level (or for people?) - the Universiade-Olympic-championship marathon, accompanied by summits worth billions. The Skolkovo project was promoted as a breakthrough, and the head is Serdyukov from the economy, Chubais. Somehow I can't believe that the project will be successful. Yes about him and are already silent in a rag. Yes, a lot of things we have behind the showcase of the unlucky ... And now: "Hurray, Ukraine is with us?" Are we ready to take responsibility for the state of affairs in Ukraine, when we ourselves have a brothel on wheels in the country? Or will we strengthen our "brotherly ties" with another loan for gas and pensions? So what is the brotherhood in? Yanyk did not go to Ev-pu, because he was afraid not only not to be re-elected, but simply to be swept away after the "proposed" "reforms" to him. With the EU, this would have happened sooner and more painfully, with the RF-Ukraine falls with an umbrella in hand. The trouble is, when she slams on the floor, the first words will be, "From, * la, they couldn't give a parachute!" There will be accusations that “life was broken” by hindering the EU. Mutual love could have turned out when it would have been necessary to “launder-warm-get drunk”, that is, - after the buzz in the EU.

                  And this is your solution to the problem according to the Bzdenzhinsky method:
                  Quote: Liss.
                  To be an "R" "empire" (as Z. Bzezhinsky used to say, only with "U" is possible) it is necessary to create conditions, "to change the brains of our" servants "so that the country is considered a family. So that the neighbors strive to become subjects, and not stupidly buy them loyalty. There will always be an opportunity to outbid such neighbors.

                  And then you started to get out how good you are and how you bring up your relatives, laconic verbal diarrhea and nothing more.
                  There was no point in wasting time on such. Good luck.
                  1. Liss.
                    Liss. 26 November 2013 09: 56
                    0
                    That's right, with people like you, it’s not worth it to bravely desperate in militant ignorance.
                    They are in the tank.
              5. Liss.
                Liss. 25 November 2013 17: 20
                0
                Quote: mhpv
                since you are so offended by Ukraine.

                A strange conclusion - Ukraine is part of my homeland.
                Everything is dear to me there. And mind and stupidity. I have nothing to be offended by the country.
                I can only be upset for the ill-conceived decisions.
                And why did you decide that you were offended?
              6. Liss.
                Liss. 25 November 2013 17: 26
                -1
                Quote: mhpv
                you need to shift something and shift together and not wait for someone to move something.

                When you decide to "move something," ask your relatives, "is it worth it."
                So "WHAT" are we going to move? drinks
                Decide.
                Wire.
                Or help or dissuade.
                It all depends on this "WHAT IS".
            3. zmey_gadukin
              zmey_gadukin 25 November 2013 13: 32
              0
              Quote: Liss.
              Quote: zmey_gadukinWe have already lost one country of the USSR well, let's see how our relatives are torn off from us, just do not forget that then the body will be cut into pieces, this body is objectionable to the West.

              This is not like I wrote ????
        2. Shur
          Shur 26 November 2013 00: 28
          +2
          I don’t share mine, my sister came home, though not “traveling through life” as my mother says. Now the years are not the same and the money is tight. Yes, right what to buy, you have to take your own while you can. Partisans will be in demand again laughing , on the front of the minds.
    2. zmey_gadukin
      zmey_gadukin 25 November 2013 11: 28
      +4
      So I’m talking about the same thing ... until Ukraine learns to solve its own problems, neither the EU nor Russia will help it.
    3. Shur
      Shur 26 November 2013 00: 23
      +1
      I also have a lot of relatives left there. The choice is not only their ours. Just many do not understand. Then, as it were, it was not necessary to conquer. They do not take them there for beautiful places ... They will practice soldering. All ka and under the Germans, but the form of occupation is different. And they will be brains and ... then we will be here. Example, Poland. True, they are no good, but the Nazis in Ukraine have a long tradition of reducing the population. Galicia will go there ... They have already been noted in the Caucasus.
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 25 November 2013 10: 49
    +6
    Europe wanted to spit on Ukraine. The main goal of this fuss with the association is to tear Ukraine away from Russia. And how does this affect the lives of ordinary people, nobody cares: neither the European Union, nor the Ukrainian opposition. That's where the main and biggest trouble of the association!
  • Irtysh
    Irtysh 25 November 2013 10: 53
    +1
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    Quote: seller trucks
    MP Oleg Tsarev declares that America is preparing a revolution in Ukraine, as I understand it, this scenario (refusal to sign the association) was also considered, and therefore, Plan B comes into effect

    If Yanek doesn’t "wrinkle ..." and observe what is happening on the Geyropeyskaya Square in Kiev, as Kuchma did in 2004, and repeats the “swamp” scenario of dispersing Svidomo, then everyone will understand that there is power in Ukraine ...
    Otherwise... recourse


    Yanuk needs to bow to But father to run for instructions on how to behave with the opposition. :)
  • zmey_gadukin
    zmey_gadukin 25 November 2013 11: 03
    +9
    The funny thing is that half of the protesters are shouting "Urka on the bunk", and the other half want this "urka" to sign the association))) Therefore, confusion is brewing, if the urka needs to sign something at the world level, then he is not a urka, but the legitimate president, and if he is an urka, how can he sign something?
    Circus.
    1. Shur
      Shur 26 November 2013 00: 35
      0
      Eurocircle :)
  • Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 25 November 2013 11: 05
    0
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: Civil
    There is an opinion that Ukrainians want to toss everyone, purely out of habit :-) but it doesn’t work, that’s rubbish, the nature is this :-)

    I think it's too early to put an end to this, it is not known where Ukraine turned its shafts, wait and see

    The media reported that Ukraine took a break, so all the intrigue is ahead!
  • malikszh
    malikszh 25 November 2013 11: 23
    +2
    Yanukovych had to hold a referendum where he explained to the people the pros and cons of European integration, showing the IMF's demands for a tax increase, a reduction in pensions and other minuses for the industry and economy of Ukraine.
    1. Orik
      Orik 25 November 2013 18: 44
      +1
      That's right, if .... Yanek was thinking about people. Kakistocracy plays its game, and people are manipulated for their own selfish purposes. hi
  • polly
    polly 25 November 2013 11: 35
    0
    My dad used to say the popular saying “Where x ... ol went, there is nothing for a Jew to do!” So ​​think now: maybe this whole game with the EU was a cunning move so that Russia would move on the gas. But they also say in another way - "For every wise man, enough simplicity"; so everything will be clear soon. The only pity is that people are simple from the moves of home-grown politicians (like Yanukovych), suffer!
  • ded_73
    ded_73 25 November 2013 11: 35
    12
    Nobody really hides that the issue price is 15 billion dollars. This is the amount that will allow the current government to live in 2014 in the regime of the previous three years. In the "rotated" mode. With salary payments and an increase in pensions by 10 hryvnia per year, etc. And go to the presidential elections with the promise of a stable life in the future. This is both the tactics and strategy of the current authorities. But they are neither h.ra nor tactics, and I'm not talking about strategy. Yanukovych, as a person who has twice survived in prison, lives by instincts, as the urges should be (I was always sincerely surprised how VVP could communicate with him at all, in my environment, the officer, such people are not even given a hand, not to mention any business . But politicians are people forced ...). And the most important instinct is survival. So he survives as best he can. It turns, turns and sells itself at a higher price. But he does not understand that in politics, especially in international politics, this is not how one behaves. And with others in common, he has already lost. He is not only a stump jumping champion, but also an absolute rake jumping champion.
    But people are tired, business is tired - ten years down the drain. And people on the Maidan as a response to the cynicism of the authorities. During the three months of the European Union, never once did our "guarantor", who determines foreign policy according to the constitution, come forward and explain what, how, why ... No, a priori, we are going to Europe. Hryas - they give little, we don't go. And this fateful (!, In any case) decision is made by the government, which by law does not have the right to do so, and it is voiced by the talking heads, all these Azarovs, strikers and others. At the first rallies, the talking bastard of the Chechets (leader of the PR faction in the Rada, conductor) openly declares that he went to the Maidan, communicated with people and it turns out that the main reason that people came out was the installation of last year's (!), And not a new Christmas tree ... And he, his own father, convinced people to save public funds. Well, not s.ki? And the "brave" Kohl declares that he will not tolerate the Maidan. So go out to these people, explain the concept. And she simply does not exist !!! We live here and now, purely as in the zone - you die today, and I will die tomorrow. Only I'm afraid the gentlemen from the authorities are mistaken, their turn has come.
    1. Luna
      Luna 25 November 2013 22: 06
      +2
      I'm afraid that 15 billion. will not save the fathers of Ukrainian "democracy". Next year, Ukraine needs to pay out 9 billion dollars to Russian banks, the IMF - 3,6 billion, and on Eurobonds - 1,9 billion. So consider where this money will go. And you also need to pay pensions (the Pension Fund is already being credited in banks for this business), for gas ... and the industry stops and, by and large, there is no one and nothing to squeeze out. Unless, of course, they themselves will not fork out. But this is from the realm of fantasy.
  • ing
    ing 25 November 2013 11: 36
    +3
    I agree with Liss, if Ukraine is not allowed to squirm on the floor in the EU, then until the end of the century they will blame "her" for not being allowed to live in gayrope. Today I heard in the news that Russia has agreed to revise gas agreements - this is Ukraine's main goal for the success of EU accession for our money, then we will not be able to back up.
  • ing
    ing 25 November 2013 11: 36
    +2
    I agree with Liss, if Ukraine is not allowed to squirm on the floor in the EU, then until the end of the century they will blame "her" for not being allowed to live in gayrope. Today I heard in the news that Russia has agreed to revise gas agreements - this is Ukraine's main goal for the success of EU accession for our money, then we will not be able to back up.
  • UVB
    UVB 25 November 2013 11: 39
    +2
    Quote: mhpv
    This industry was created not by Ukraine and not Russia, but by the USSR
    And to be more precise, the industry of the east and south originated long before the USSR. By the way, the monogram of Catherine the Great still flaunts on the modern coat of arms of Lugansk. And the largest diesel locomotive plant, which produced more than 90% of all diesel locomotives, was founded in 1896. By the way, BRZHD was driven by Lugansk diesel locomotives.
    1. spd2001
      spd2001 25 November 2013 13: 41
      +1
      It was conceived, perhaps a long time ago, but now it has become what it is now and from which it is still "juiced", in the USSR. Or diesel locomotives were produced on the equipment of 1896 ?!)))
      1. UVB
        UVB 25 November 2013 17: 56
        0
        Unfortunately, now what she was is no longer. The same diesel locomotive plant under the Union for 1 shift produced as many diesel locomotives as it is now in a month (2-3 sections). And he worked in 3 shifts. And life on it is still warming only thanks to the Russian Transmashholding, which bought 76% of the plant’s shares.
  • Egoza
    Egoza 25 November 2013 12: 06
    +1
    Moscow, by and large, agrees to revise the gas contract - Azarov
    “Now there is such a promise (to revise contracts), by and large,” he said. At the same time, he called "nonsense" the words of the leader of the opposition Batkivshchyna party Arseniy Yatsenyuk that Russia, in exchange for refusing to sign an association agreement with the EU, allocated $ 20 billion to the Ukrainian authorities.
    the only promise was received from the EU that within 7 years the EU will be able to provide about 1 billion euros, and the IMF said that it was ready to allocate a loan equal to the amount of Ukraine’s debt to the fund - about $ 4 billion.
    "We do not need such handouts in exchange for the fact that we will practically ruin our economy," the Ukrainian Prime Minister said.
    Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-131971.html
    xxxxx
    And although Füle says that help can be increased, but again it will be later. And now gas is of course more important to us.
    1. domokl
      domokl 25 November 2013 17: 43
      +1
      Hello Elena. I read your comment. I agree, but with reservations. The fact is that Gazprom announced some concessions for Ukraine long before (or rather, in July) before the whole story. I do not think that Russia's main trump card is gas. Trump, as usual , Putin was hidden and showed it when he slightly covered the border. None of the powers that be in Ukraine expected such an answer.
    2. Luna
      Luna 25 November 2013 22: 08
      0
      Gazprom has denied another Azarov nonsense.
  • Egoza
    Egoza 25 November 2013 12: 08
    +3
    Stefan Fule, European Commissioner for Enlargement and European Neighborhood Policy, rejects allegations by the Ukrainian government that the EU allegedly did not provide Kiev with a clear signal of financial support amid pressure from Moscow. “We do not need to signal our financial support. We have provided Ukraine from 1991 to today 3,3 billion euros in the form of grants, ”he said.
    Azarov: “We have repeatedly proposed to the European Union to include in the document a clause on granting Ukraine a loan of one billion. But each time we were given only oral promises,” the head of the Ukrainian government said.
    Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-131960.html
    XXXX
    The fact that the grants were coming is indisputable. The whole question is to whom and for what!
    1. Lesnik
      Lesnik 26 November 2013 10: 14
      +1
      Quote: Egoza
      The fact that the grants were coming is indisputable. The whole question is to whom and for what!

      To whom, to whom, to the dentist, to "paint" life for oneself
  • mivmim
    mivmim 25 November 2013 12: 13
    -1
    The suicide of Ukraine, so magnificently organized by the European Union, "stops"

    A smart start, you can’t say more precisely, you can not read the article, that’s all said. ++++++++++++++++
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 25 November 2013 13: 25
      +1
      The suicide of Ukraine, so magnificently organized by the European Union, "stops"

      Quote: mivmim
      A smart start, you can’t say more precisely, you can not read the article, that’s all said. ++++++++++++++++
      I totally agree.good V. Kamenev -hi Yes. By the way. Even when I read these lines, scenes from the play by N. Erdman "The Suicide" appeared before my eyes. The entourage is about the same.
  • Egoza
    Egoza 25 November 2013 12: 13
    +2
    According to media reports, Berkut has already left the Maidan. Only the police remained. Tents (2 pieces) will not be removed yet. (Huy sit until blue in the face. However, people need to earn money.) It is possible that they will get together in the evening, but this is as anyone wants. On the other hand, Yatsenyuk calls for blocking the Cabinet of Ministers and even going "by storm". Three ha ha ha. Yesterday we tried it - we received tear gas in response to smoke bombs, pipe cuttings and fireballs of protesters. We will look further.
  • samoletil18
    samoletil18 25 November 2013 13: 31
    +1
    Let's be honest with ourselves. The bulk of my friends, who are interested not only in the fence in the yard, were very saddened by the rejection of European integration by Ukraine. It is understandable, geopolitics and all that, but someone in Russia must pay for such a friendship. Along the way, gasoline, water, electricity, taxes will increase. Not for officials with deputies to cut salaries.
    Although, personally, I am ready to share. If the money helps Ukrainians, not the Ukrainian authorities, etc.
    1. Sour
      Sour 25 November 2013 16: 07
      +2
      Quote: samoletil18
      The bulk of my friends, who are interested not only in the fence in the yard, were very saddened by the rejection of European integration by Ukraine.

      Absolutely.
      All my acquaintances, even a little interested in politics, are saddened. Everyone is talking about Ukraine: "Let them go to all four directions, they have already gotten out with their multi-vector nature." But this is a minority. Most of Ukraine is simply not interesting.
  • Fastblast
    Fastblast 25 November 2013 15: 54
    +1
    I listened to what the guys from ShusterLiv were talking about - ok, all well done, everyone is broadcasting well and the Communist and the Boxer, and even Azarov, despite the fact that he uttered the phrase that the movement to Europe is for us. But the thing is that these matches are already being broadcast, and things are still there.

    In short, I consider all politicians guilty in the current situation, from the period of independence to the present day. Some are to blame for the fact that they did not calculate everything to the end and were unable to resolve all disputed issues with representatives of the EU and the Russian Federation before the signing date. The opposition is also good, slept stupidly and saw the failure of Yanukovych with the subsequent withdrawal of people to the Maidan. All in all, two pair boots are our politicians.
    Why did they not start a campaign in advance to inform the population of Ukraine about the conditions of the European Union and joining the CU, about what consequences may arise after signing this or that agreement, about the pros and cons !? Everything boiled over the last couple of months, and the people were provided with information only that was beneficial to our "home-torturers."

    I do not want to indulge those who are now trying to represent the people in their own name or party, they are all liars and I have no confidence in them.

    I really hope that a leader will soon appear who can lead the people and bring him to victory, a leader with a clear conscience in front of his people and himself.

    To date, as far as I understand, bidding negotiations are still ongoing. Well, let them agree and agree. Of course, it’s hard to immediately please the RF and the EU and not get into a puddle by yourself, but nevertheless the government has already worked poorly and you need to ask them for not meeting the deadline.

    But if they cannot, and this time will agree, then I think it’s necessary to really put in front of your feet those who fooled us for so many years, those who proved to be unprofessional, people not worthy of trust and further participation in deciding the fate of the Ukrainian people !
    1. Rubs
      Rubs 26 November 2013 01: 44
      +4
      "Boxer speaks smoothly"?

      Excuse me, but Boxer mumbled the memorized text, confusing paragraphs. On the most delicate questions of Symonenko, specially compiled taking into account the mental development of the opponent, Boxer issued a couple more random paragraphs. And at the comment about the threat of closing industries, in particular aviation, Boxer snorted: "And she's not there anyway."
      And that marks for the presidency!
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  • Liss.
    Liss. 25 November 2013 16: 05
    +3
    Quote: mhpv
    I live in Russia, so tell tales about working pensioners. Pensioners in Russia can work in Moscow and the Moscow Region or major cities, and then for 10 thousand rubles.

    Of course, I “will not say for the whole of Russia”, but working in retirement is considered as “extra income” For example:
    1). A cousin in Ukraine is a high-altitude welder. 4 thousand gr = 16000 rub. 4 people family
    2) .Friends. Sizran. Grandmother-castellanza-8000r., Grandfather-night guard-6000r. In free time, upon request, wallpaper can be glued, doors-windows-walls can be painted. Does anybody want. I omit my great-grandfather, the beekeeper.
    Let me explain: it’s difficult for a pensioner to find a job with a high salary (although, where-how, and what kind of specialist).
    Work as a side job is real. If not on a farmhouse, the taiga lives.
    Quote: mhpv
    in Moscow and Moscow oblast or large cities, and then for 10 thousand rubles.
    - Yes, 10000 rubles. - it's "dirt."
    Muscovite?
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  • Stinger
    Stinger 25 November 2013 16: 06
    +2
    No referendum was held on such an important issue, and the conditions for entry were not made public. Darkened, darkened and outwitted themselves. So much for Kravchuk's: Bude yak in Freation. It remains to shout that again Russia took the candy directly from her mouth. And the conditions were attractive! I wonder when this idiocy will end?
  • domokl
    domokl 25 November 2013 17: 36
    +3
    Quote: Vovka Levka
    If he is suicide, let him try.

    A strange position for the Ukrainian ... He will try. And you will see it soon. Just why bring it to the blood? Have you really not played enough in the change of governments and presidents across the Maidan? Once it was driven by the weakness of power, the second time it was ... But when the government doesn’t agree. And the government and the president have enough power to crush. And not enough forces, dismantling will begin within the people ... And this is what everyone needs ... The destruction of Ukraine is the main goal of the West. The largest European state Priori cannot obey the little ones. And Ukraine is comparable to Ger aniey, with France and Great Britain ...
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 25 November 2013 17: 50
    +3
    Well, Yo is mine! And let GAY (F) -Oppa put into its market the products that went to the CIS, and .... EVERYTHING, the issue of European integration is resolved !!! Why such "humane" do not want to HELP Ukraine ???
    1. dm98
      dm98 25 November 2013 18: 01
      0
      Quote: ia-ai00
      Well, Yo is mine! And let GAY (F) -Oppa put into its market the products that went to the CIS, and .... EVERYTHING, the issue of European integration is resolved !!! Why such "humane" do not want to HELP Ukraine ???

      Would you buy Ukrainian kerzin boots at the price of Italian boots?
      Or Ukrainian Cossack (Lancer) at the price of Volkswagen?
      1. philosopher
        philosopher 25 November 2013 18: 46
        +5
        Dear dm98, let me disagree with you!
        The dilemma: "I would buy or not buy" and "put products on my market." These, as they say in Odessa, are two big differences! Why do you think that "Ukrainian kerz boots are at the price of Italian boots" or "Zaporozhets (Lancer) are at the price of a Volkswagen"?
        Suppose that someone would buy boots as a special footwear (of course, not at the price of weekend boots), and I would also buy a Zaporozhets (given its survivability and maneuverability, and most importantly, comparing its cost with my funds), but to sell Ukrainian products in Europe under the EU will not be allowed.
        This is what the respected ia-ai00 spoke of, and I fully agree with him on this issue.
      2. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 25 November 2013 19: 11
        +6
        You should not think that I am happy for Ukraine. My heart squeezes when I see reports from Ukraine. I wanted to say that Europe accuses Russia of pressure on the choice of Ukraine, while Russia only warns that these are not "sanctions" to Ukraine, in the event of European Integration, but the same provisions in the field of trade will simply apply as with the entire European Union ... This is just Europe, it wants to "have" Ukraine in all respects, and at the same time it will not be given anything in return.
        And what about Ukrainian goods, you are the same in vain ... Ukrainian candies were bought very well in Kazakhstan, as well as our companies "Rakhat", very tasty candies.
        Not more than a week ago I bought myself Ukrainian ankle boots, leather, at an affordable price, the shoe is very comfortable and the appearance is decent! So do not blame Ukraine’s goods.
        And the fact that the West together with the USA wants to tear Ukraine away from Russia, and subsequently, it is possible, to push their foreheads together, this is VERY SORRY ...