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Leonid Ivashov: “Some people believe that to be a patriot is to be a participant in lawlessness”

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The number of oligarchs grows, injustice grows, the level of corruption grows


A survey of the Levada Center regarding indicators characterizing the level of patriotic attitudes in society has been published. It turned out that the number of respondents who call themselves patriots of Russia has fallen compared to the beginning of the zero years and is 77 versus 69%. The share of non-patriots has increased (19 vs. 16%), while 21% believe that being a patriot means acting for the good of the country. This is noticeably lower than in October 2000, when 35% responded positively to this question.

What do these data indicate? Leonid Ivashov, President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, comments on the situation for KM.RU.

The ruling elite of the country does not set high goals for the development of society

Statistics that show a decrease in the level of patriotism in Russian society, of course, sad. It is caused primarily by the actions of the authorities. Not in general, people attribute their non-patriotism to the country, but simply cease to trust the authorities, associating all of Russia with government structures. This is the first reason.

The second reason I see is that the state and the elite governing the country do not set high goals for the development of society and every person. People do not see what modern Russia seeks, what it wants to be in the future. If there is no vision of prospects, it means that people show apathy, anger against the government and do not want to be patriots of that foreign and domestic policy that is being pursued by Russia. Strategic plans are absent, the power gives "promises", they are not executed and no one reports to them. People see no prospects for living in such a country.

The third reason: people notice what real processes are happening in the country. The number of oligarchs is growing, injustice is growing, the level of corruption, acts of terrorism and so on is growing. All the negative volleys hit on the consciousness of each person through the media, through rumors and so on. Some people believe that to be a patriot is to be a participant in the lawlessness that is happening in the country, and that’s what people don’t want. Look at the hackneyed topic, the “serdyukovschina”. People see that they have made a little bit more noise, and now they spit in their face, arranging Serdyukov for a well-paid job. Now he will be engaged in research in the field of engineering.

The worst thing is that the number of people willing to leave Russia is growing on all four sides.

There are discussions: Mrs. Vasilyeva has not thirteen rooms, but only six. And how do people who make ends meet it? In the Astrakhan region - continuous slums, and honest workers live there! People lose faith in everything and everyone, in the justice of this power, and then, associating Russia with power, they also lose faith in it.

But the worst thing is not the fall of patriotism, because patriotism can grow. The worst thing is that the number of people willing to leave Russia is growing on all four sides. This is a complete disappointment in the Russian reality, and for young people and for the country as a whole, it is disastrous. This power came in the wake of Yeltsin and Gaidar. I believe that officials often fight for any position, not in order to be responsible to the people, but in order to plunder and not be caught in it.

Probably, the law enforcement agencies received a command to fight corruption: the mayors had already fallen into this, and the vice-governors. These are the officials who are given the sanction to work, but they are already afraid of digging above. Such is the power, and therefore people have absolutely no faith. According to the number of accidents per thousand aircraft, we are the most advanced in the world, and this indicates that there is no system for managing processes and people in the state.
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  1. bomg.77
    bomg.77 23 November 2013 07: 45
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    The share of those who do not consider themselves patriots increased (19 vs 16%
    Look at these people who do not consider themselves a patriot. How can a person even say that he is not a patriot of his country?
    1. SPACE
      SPACE 23 November 2013 08: 37
      27
      Quote: bomg.77
      Look at these people who do not consider themselves a patriot. How can a person even say that he is not a patriot of his country?

      The right question, but the author confuses the concept, true patriotism should not depend on the forms, type of power, patriotism is love for the motherland, and not for the king. And if a person hates power, ceases to love his homeland, he cannot be a patriot, he really needs to leave. Another thing is that now many people understand the actions of the authorities differently. Some believe that negative actions against Russia prevail in these actions, while others, on the contrary, see the good of Russia in the affairs of the authorities. Conclusions depend on who and how argues, taking as a basis for judgments superficial facts or individual events over a short period of time or vice versa. Also, do not forget about the lies, the actions of the media and human stupidity. Not everything is so simple.
      1. Arberes
        Arberes 23 November 2013 09: 05
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        Quote: SPACE
        but the author confuses the concept, true patriotism should not depend on the forms, type of power, patriotism is love for the motherland, and not for the king. And if a person hates power, ceases to love his homeland,


        Well, I don’t know, I don’t know! Maybe I am an exception to the rule? Personally, I really love my native land, my MOTHERLAND, and together with the system (as it were, to say softer) I do not have any respect for our elite. Read my lines and you will understand that a person who does not love his MOTHERLAND simply cannot write about her like that!

        Thoughts by the wind.

        Brighter than gold fields endless
        Thickets of your emeralds
        Long and sad rivers
        Thoughts fly my wind!

        I admire you, darling!
        A clear look, lakes eyes!
        The sky is clear, the heights are bottomless
        Russian fairy tale without end.

        The warm sun of your smile
        My soul will spill
        I'm to the very last drop
        I will always be devoted to you!

        Like a drunkard, arms outstretched
        I wallow in your meadows
        Blue sky reflected
        The abyss in my gray eyes!

        Help me a little Lord?
        How much did I ask you?
        Plunge into the whirlpool of the starry sky
        Give me only more strength!
        1. SPACE
          SPACE 23 November 2013 10: 51
          12

          Quote: Arberes
          I have no respect for our elite.

          Well this is your right, are not afraid to make a mistake? They love this Motherland with their hearts, for respect to the tops one must have a mind.
          The verse is good.
          1. Arberes
            Arberes 23 November 2013 11: 26
            10
            Quote: SPACE
            not afraid to make a mistake?

            In this state, after living in it for more than 40 years, I have not been afraid of anything. At the expense of errors, the one who does nothing is not mistaken!

            Quote: SPACE
            to respect the top you need to have a mind.

            Having a mind has never stopped anyone! But if the top itself does not respect itself and behaves rudely, where does the respect for ordinary people in relation to it come from? For me, the State and the ruling elite are one and the same, and many people think so!

            Quote: SPACE
            The verse is good.

            Thank you! hi
            Quote: SPACE
            Homeland and state are a single concept,

            So I understood you correctly and withdraw my apologies. drinks
            1. SPACE
              SPACE 23 November 2013 12: 07
              +8
              Quote: Arberes
              So I understood you correctly and withdraw my apologies

              And what is a state? Geopolitical formation on a specific area of ​​the earth. In this case, the land where you were born, in general, may be unchanged, but the political system may change. You want to say that your ancestors born in the Republic of Ingushetia and you born in the USSR have a different homeland and today live in a foreign land? What to do with ancestors who swore allegiance to the tsar, who allegiance to Stalin? So, the great victories and deeds of your ancestors, which have become possible, thanks to past rulers and the political system, you do not recognize? You are all strange, born and living in the country of your ancestors and trying to share history, homeland and state! You yourself do not know and do not understand what you need and what you want. Although ... and under Peter the Great, people grumbled, and under Stalin murmured, and then praised, I suppose your murmurs, there is nothing new, it only confirms the pattern, after .. thirty such as you will be the first to sing praises to Putin. What to do about emotions is just the instincts of the mind.
              1. Arberes
                Arberes 23 November 2013 12: 26
                12
                Quote: SPACE
                You want to say that your ancestors born in the Republic of Ingushetia and you born in the USSR have a different homeland and today live in a foreign land?

                Oddly enough, in a state called the USSR, I felt more comfortable and protected.
                There is such a saying. "The state is for the person, not the person for the state."
                So far, my state only raises taxes for me, and my factory salary is almost not growing, and this is against the background of officials who have become sober from impunity. These are not emotions; we all see it ourselves every day!
                Quote: SPACE
                Thirty such as you first will sing Putin praises.

                You are mistaken, dear SPACE (2) , people of my warehouse do not sing the praises of the authorities, I explain why! Do you need some kind of inspiration to write praises too? But where to get it - looking at their "labor achievements".
                Well, if only as about TABOORET?
                But you probably succeed ???
                1. SPACE
                  SPACE 23 November 2013 14: 57
                  +1
                  Quote: Arberes
                  You are mistaken, dear KOSMOS (2), people of my warehouse do not sing the praises of the authorities, I explain why! Do you need some kind of inspiration to write praises too? But where to get it - looking at their "labor achievements".

                  Dear Arabes, I really like your poems, especially since I sometimes write them myself, though my muses are very beautiful girls laughing !
                  As for your creativity, maybe you are not looking there or just not seeing it ??? And maybe tomorrow the authorities will give you a pleasant inspiration or have already done something, are you sure of your impartiality? And about this stool you will not become famous for a long time.
                  1. Arberes
                    Arberes 23 November 2013 18: 29
                    +4
                    Quote: SPACE
                    really my muses are very beautiful girls

                    Not much?

                    Quote: SPACE
                    And about this stool you will not become famous for a long time.

                    Dear COMOSS, I don’t strive for glory for her. I can do without an emoticon.
            2. Andrey57
              Andrey57 23 November 2013 15: 06
              +8
              The homeland and the state are not at all a single concept - our homeland is wonderful, but the state, together with the entire ruling gang of thieves, is disgusting and vile. hi
          2. APES
            APES 23 November 2013 20: 02
            +3
            Quote: SPACE
            to respect the top you need to have a mind.


            You claim that everyone who does not like (respect) the "top" does not have reason? belay
            1. SPACE
              SPACE 24 November 2013 11: 05
              -2
              Quote: APES
              You claim that everyone who does not like (respect) the "top" does not have reason?

              It’s much clearer who does not respect his state, that fool, who does not respect his government, is also a fool! How can one say that food is bad without first tasting it? Probably the Hamsters think that the field is plowed so that to destroy its mink, well, it’s not given to him to see beyond his nose. Do not rush to conclusions, power is, first of all, a lot of different people and the tasks facing them, these are not the tasks of selfish hamsters. If you go straight, don’t get anywhere, smart, will not go uphill, smart mountain will go around. What duplicity some have, on the one hand, praising Onishchenko, Lavrov, etc., on the other, such disrespect for thieving authorities! or are they not power? They reduced everything to an explanation in banal theft, primitives! Well, yes, everyone judges by his corruption.
        2. R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№
          R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№ 23 November 2013 17: 07
          +5
          But why did your bowels RODINA get to a bunch of scoundrels ?! I would even understand that if they acted in the interests of their country. released, an unprecedented happens. It came true ....
        3. Rusich51
          Rusich51 23 November 2013 17: 24
          +3
          Of course you are right, but cleaning the Augean stables is still necessary. Otherwise, it threatens the elimination of independence and statehood.
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 24 November 2013 09: 36
            0
            Interestingly, and who will do this? Aren't you? Are you not afraid that they will let you down under the criminal law, like Kvachkova?
        4. APES
          APES 23 November 2013 20: 27
          +2
          Quote: Arberes
          Maybe I am an exception to the rule?


          show me really ready to get out of the trench and go on the attack with words, for example:

          "FOR Putin or for GDP at least"
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 24 November 2013 11: 18
            +2
            Quote: APES
            go on the attack with the words

            Quote: APES
            FOR Putin

            How blasphemous it sounds. What kind of IT to go on the attack ?! No, I'd rather stay at home. am
        5. Nick
          Nick 23 November 2013 23: 18
          +2
          BEAUTIFUL...
          1. waisson
            waisson 25 November 2013 08: 08
            0
            but not real
      2. Arberes
        Arberes 23 November 2013 10: 29
        +5
        Quote: SPACE
        the author confuses the concept, true patriotism should not depend on the forms, type of power, patriotism is love for the motherland, and not for the king.

        Respected SPACE (2)good jen to you hi
        I did not understand your comment correctly and apologize to you!
        The state and the motherland are different concepts? You mean it!
        1. SPACE
          SPACE 23 November 2013 11: 13
          +2
          Quote: Arberes
          The state and the motherland are different concepts? You mean it!

          The homeland and the state are a single concept, it is constant and unchanged in essence, although it can be called differently, the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union, the Russian Federation, this power is transient.
          1. revnagan
            revnagan 23 November 2013 12: 35
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            Quote: SPACE
            Russian Empire, Soviet Union, Russian Federation, this power is transient.

            I categorically disagree. Any power, by hook or by crook, identifies itself with the concept of Homeland. But we are smart people, we understand that the power is simply speculating on our feelings. Indeed, in the event of any threat to the Homeland, we will inevitably protect the power. This is how saving the human body from infection, we are forced to save the worms living in the body. Therefore, I consider the USSR to be my homeland, an organism without parasites. And the power, living its small interests, is far from the aspirations of ordinary people, speaking its own language and not understanding it that the people say cannot be the embodiment of the motherland.
            1. SPACE
              SPACE 23 November 2013 15: 24
              -6
              Quote: revnagan
              I categorically disagree. Any power, by hook or by crook, identifies itself with the concept of Homeland. But we are smart people, we understand that power is simply speculating on our feelings.

              You might think that your power was from a different planet, you yourself destroyed the USSR, and you chose your own power! Moreover, your power consists of the same people as you, and perhaps whose ancestors also lived, built and fought. It seems to me, no matter what kind of power you have, you will always be not satisfied in your eternal search for the next ideotic guilt of this power to justify your own powerlessness.
              1. revnagan
                revnagan 23 November 2013 20: 49
                +5
                Quote: SPACE
                your power consists of the same people as you might be whose ancestors also lived, built and fought

                Yeah, I immediately remember the fable of Tolstoy L.N. about geese: “... yes, our ancestors saved Rome!” What has it to do with the glorious deeds of the ancestors of these people (and were they glorious?) When in Ukraine they voted for Kravchuk, no one knew that he was a teenager feeding the Banderaites.
                Quote: SPACE
                It seems to me, no matter what power you have, you will always be not satisfied in your eternal search

                Surrenders, baptized, and was pleased with the Soviet regime. But the existing occupation and frankly hostile.
                Quote: SPACE
                ideotic

                That's right, idiotic, but this is true, by the way. And we don't need to look for anything, we turn on the TV, and there is a circus in Verkhovna Zrada. And the performances of this theater of absurdity never stop. No, they would go on tour. True, the repertoire pleases, always something- something new, but from an old opera ... Clowns. Patriot of the Russian Federation? So there is the same picture. Only the fable of another author, "Bear in the Voivodeship". So I am a patriot of the USSR and advance payment of the USSR 2.
              2. chehywed
                chehywed 27 November 2013 20: 10
                0
                Quote: SPACE
                It seems to me, no matter how much power you have, you will always be not satisfied

                good
          2. sasska
            sasska 23 November 2013 16: 21
            +2
            are we thickly trolling ??
      3. Interface
        Interface 23 November 2013 15: 15
        +6
        I climbed to the site of Levada
        2003 year - present

        The first director of the Levada Center was Yuri Levada. In December 2006, the sociologist, Doctor of Philosophy Lev Gudkov, was elected to this position. The Center continues in full the research projects launched in the 90 years, and also conducts new research on Russian society.


        Leo Gudkov --- that says it all. Oppositionist - director of the center.
        And I will also share my observations with you. Before the adoption of the law on NGOs, the Levada website at the bottom of the page had the logos of "partners", I sometimes went there. Now, there is nothing. And among those organizations was NED - the National Endowment for Democracy, an American organization. In Russia, he funded Ponomarev Lyudmila Alekseeva's For Human Rights and the Moscow Helsinki Group.
        In short all x - nya, do not believe the prostitute Levada. For what I saw --- I answer.
      4. smile
        smile 23 November 2013 16: 56
        +6
        SPACE
        I would also like to supplement the following.
        1. Levada-center - famous for its all-industry and the fact that it is funded by NGOs from abroad. The reliability of his calculations is very low and clearly depends on the team of those who finance it. In fact, the center is the mouthpiece of the marshes, like the Ear of Moscow or Rain. I am distrustful of his assessments. Too cunning ... they ask questions, literally making respondents answer how they crave ... I think everyone knows how to manipulate here.
        2. For some reason, based on surveys of other organizations, from what I see myself, I come to a conclusion. that on the contrary, patriotism is much higher than before. Well, the fact that there are much fewer people who want to leave Russia than only a person can not see before. visually impaired ... or conscience. :)))
        Ivashov is a good guy, but sometimes his conclusions and the information on which he builds these conclusions are very doubtful.
        By the way, according to this year’s polls, the number of people who really want to leave the country in Britain, for example, is one and a half times higher than ours. Well, and what conclusions can Comrade Ivashov draw on the basis of this information? :)))
      5. d.gksueyjd
        d.gksueyjd 23 November 2013 20: 58
        +6
        Being a patriot of your country and a patriot of your state are completely different ideas. I AM NOT A PATRIOT OF THIS STATE ORDER and not when I will not be !!! But if the need arises to defend my country, I will spit on the principles and go to defend this "state"
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 25 November 2013 07: 47
          +7
          I think that you will go to defend the MOTHERLAND! soldier
      6. Eugeniy_369
        Eugeniy_369 24 November 2013 00: 39
        +5
        Quote: SPACE
        the author confuses the concept, true patriotism should not depend on the forms, type of power, patriotism is love for the motherland, not for the king

        Patriotism, this is such a thing about which they do not shout, it is in the heart ... it is not ostentatious.
        "When people start talking about patriotism in Russia, know: somewhere they stole something ..." (c)
        1. SPACE
          SPACE 24 November 2013 11: 17
          0
          Quote: Eugeniy_369
          "When people start talking about patriotism in Russia, know: somewhere they stole something ..." (c)

          And let me know, what are you talking about now? Something already with tyril?
          Whatever they say, everything reduces to theft, Military Review, turned into some sort of Thieves Review, maybe enough.
    2. ZU-23
      ZU-23 23 November 2013 09: 14
      +2
      Most of all I was surprised that there were more patriots in the zeros than now, the Levada Center is the most misguided liberal office. In general, Ivashov constantly, whatever it may be, like whip and think sit what he wants in life. I personally have a lot of people on gases that have healed better, because they work, who thumped and did not stop, he certainly sits in shock. Yes, there is certainly a bunch of working professions that are not paid, but the business that steals and distributes to thieves is to blame. My nephew, he is already 15 years old, is already asking for a job and if he was 18, he would have easily put him in a computer store and he would have changed the colors on a photocopy machine for thirty, and someone is digging for twenty and his family contains. It’s just that many didn’t even have time to reformat to a new world, they don’t read anything and are not interested, they can’t send mmsk, etc. Maybe we rushed forward so quickly that some brakes simply didn’t have time, and hucksters naturally profit from them.
    3. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 23 November 2013 12: 27
      +7
      Quote: bomg.77
      Look at these people who do not consider themselves a patriot. How can a person even say that he is not a patriot of his country?

      As my hand-to-hand combat instructor said - All people are divided into patriots and scum. Patriots must learn to explain to scum that they are wrong.
      1. ZU-23
        ZU-23 23 November 2013 12: 54
        +3
        Your instructor correctly said the way it is. In the month of July it was so nice to read and communicate on this VO resource, but now there are a lot of scum divorced here, there are so many of them who aren’t willing to discuss any issues, and there’s also a lot of neutrality divorced, it’s probably those who rest and work over the hill over Russia’s account, they are rushing about, they can’t understand who they are and where they can decide for themselves in life, but this is also not patriots.
        1. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 24 November 2013 11: 59
          0
          Quote: ZU-23
          Your instructor correctly said the way it is. In the month of July it was so nice to read and communicate on this VO resource, but now there are a lot of scum divorced here, there are so many of them who aren’t willing to discuss any issues, and there’s also a lot of neutrality divorced, it’s probably those who rest and work over the hill over Russia’s account, they are rushing about, they can’t understand who they are and where they can decide for themselves in life, but this is also not patriots.

          Teams have been created in Israel and the USA to conduct anti-Soviet, anti-Stalinist and anti-Russian propaganda on the Internet, and they are crap on all forums.
          A "Memo to an agent of the State Department" has been posted on the Internet to easily identify enemy trolls.
      2. SPACE
        SPACE 23 November 2013 15: 36
        +2
        Quote: Corsair5912
        As my hand-to-hand combat instructor said - All people are divided into patriots and scum. Patriots must learn to explain to scum that they are wrong.

        But my nlpi instructor said - you need to be able to distinguish idiots from patriots.
        1. Just Vasilich
          Just Vasilich 23 November 2013 20: 39
          +4
          Cosmos: But my nlpi instructor said - you need to be able to distinguish idiots from patriots.

          ... And he added: "Your goal is and-d-e-o-t-s, it is easier for them to brainwash, and do not mess with patriots - it’s dear to you."
          1. SPACE
            SPACE 24 November 2013 09: 53
            0
            Quote: Just Vasilich
            ... And he added: "your goal is i-d-i-o-t-s

            No.
            Quote: Just Vasilich
            - and-d-and-o-t-s, it’s easier for them to brainwash

            That is why they are unstable, if you can, others will be able to, therefore they are used once and in the dark, for actions contrary to true goals.
            Quote: Just Vasilich
            and do not mess with patriots - your own dear. "

            Yes, but if you have the same vectors, then it is better to rely on them.
        2. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 24 November 2013 12: 03
          +2
          Quote: SPACE
          But my nlpi instructor said - you need to be able to distinguish idiots from patriots.

          This is not a problem, among true patriots there are no nationalists, anti-Stalinists, Russophobes and the like idiots.
          Everyone who loves Russia and is ready to stand up for her, shoulder to shoulder with people of any nationality, this is a patriot.
      3. Interface
        Interface 23 November 2013 17: 22
        +4
        Everything would be fine, but the scum are not constrained by any moral framework, they just trudge when they relish the topic of "Vatniki", the Russian Orthodox Church, the Olympics-14, "Pukin-Shmukin" and at the same time they fantastically mock at how clever (in their opinion) they all expressed it on youtubik or in twitter.
        It’s only the patriot who seeks to argue, fight, prove, but the trolls, bots and just ordinary cattle users don’t need either argument, sense, or history;
        they themselves cry shorter about injustice, and they don’t want to study and understand something. They just like, excuse me, shit, and shit with this to smear the reality of their environment, but in life they are just petite cattle who only know how to throw ponty, where can they think of Otechetva!
    4. sasska
      sasska 23 November 2013 16: 18
      11
      The share of those who do not consider themselves patriots has increased

      I love my homeland, but relations with the state - relations did not work out.
      to whom shall I rank? winked
      1. SPACE
        SPACE 23 November 2013 16: 53
        -11 qualifying.
        Quote: sasska
        I love my homeland, but relations with the state - relations did not work out. To whom do I rank?

        So you sissy wink
        1. sasska
          sasska 23 November 2013 17: 40
          +6
          fool "Savsem is white and so hot, yes"
          1. SPACE
            SPACE 24 November 2013 11: 30
            -5
            Quote: sasska
            white and so hot, yes "

            laughing
            Quote: sasska
            I love my homeland, but relations with the state - relations did not work out. To whom do I rank?

            "I love my Motherland, but relations with the state-dad did not work out ..." laughing
            Judging by the minuses, you are right, you are not a sissy, you are an orphan, hungry, cold and uneducated! Papa got drunk and left, and such a bastard steals child support, avenge papa for it, choose a new American papa ... wassat
            1. sasska
              sasska 24 November 2013 12: 20
              +6
              yeah, oh ... fool - you can see on the flight
              kao munni, rumal värdjas
      2. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 24 November 2013 12: 06
        +2
        Quote: sasska
        I love my homeland, but relations with the state - relations did not work out.
        to whom shall I rank?

        You can’t change your homeland, there is no choice, but the state can be changed, there is a choice.
    5. Sakmagon
      Sakmagon 23 November 2013 16: 57
      0
      Something I do not understand Comrade General. under Yeltsin, he was silent "like a fish on ice." and now it suddenly burst through ... and, most importantly, no specifics, a continuous mass of emotions ...
      The worst thing is that the number of people willing to leave Russia is growing on all four sides.

      Oh really? And I look around - just the opposite is true ...
    6. vezunchik
      vezunchik 23 November 2013 17: 16
      11
      If our leadership would consider themselves patriots, they would not have real estate and deposits abroad in hostile countries. And families with delmi and grandchildren would live in Russia!
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 24 November 2013 09: 38
        +1
        That's it, I agree. Let the authorities show their patriotism, and only after that there will be something to demand from citizens.
      2. SHOCK.
        SHOCK. 24 November 2013 18: 59
        0
        And they would have given birth here. And then Russian patriots in shit and blood let them give birth in their homeland, but REAL patriots are felled to give birth where everything is sterile for big grandmas.
    7. APES
      APES 23 November 2013 19: 58
      +3
      Quote: bomg.77
      Look at these people


      YOU can see them on TV - every day they show.
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 23 November 2013 21: 23
        0
        Quote: APES
        YOU can see them on TV - every day they show.
        These are just talking (yelling) about their patriotism.
    8. starshina78
      starshina78 23 November 2013 20: 32
      +6
      The answer to the question: "Whoever considers himself not a patriot of the Motherland" can be seen and heard on the TNT channel - this is "Comedy - club", and all derivatives from this "club". How they mock at Rashkoy, as they call Russia, is nowhere else. All these Bulldogs, Chestnuts and other evil spirits consider for themselves, probably, the highest achievement to omit everything Russian, Russian. Yes, and young people, looking at them, did not go far either. According to polls among young people, almost half of them want to leave Russia, because, they say, they are not satisfied with life in Russia. I am glad that there are many young people who love Russia and are ready to do everything for the good of Russia. As a rule, these are people whose parents do not shine with diamonds and gold, but earn bread by labor, and all the "club" dirt hangs out mainly in Moscow clubs, lives on Rublevka and in the families of officials and rich Buratin.
    9. a52333
      a52333 24 November 2013 09: 59
      +1
      Levada Center poll published
      You can not read further. It’s the same as reading on the fence, or Moody’s ratings.
      1. Sosed74
        Sosed74 24 November 2013 14: 09
        -1
        A herd of senility. Patriots *******. wassat laughing
        Everyone who could topple from Russia-has long been piled up.
        Those who do not want to blame - either they sit tight at the feeder and are happy with everything, or the old senile, still believing in ideals - that we will someday live.
        Ask Putin, deputies and ministers - what are their children studying abroad, and not in their beloved Russia. What are their children in the Russian army and do not serve.
        It’s not patriotic in relation to Russia and humiliating in relation to Russian education and the great and glorious army.
        Ugh.
        Half of the country plows for a penny, is hunched over to make ends meet and not to die of hunger - these senility sit here and talk about patriotic values. It’s a pity that you can’t swear. I would dot all the i - xy from xy.
  2. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 23 November 2013 07: 45
    10
    The worst thing is that the number of people willing to leave Russia is growing on all four sides.
    Here he is right. Personally familiar with several. And the most offensive is people who think. But personally, I really like the words from the Midshipmen - Fate and Homeland are one.
    1. 10kAzAk01
      10kAzAk01 23 November 2013 10: 19
      +9
      The worst thing is that the number of people wishing to leave Russia on all four sides is growing. Here he is right. Personally familiar with several. And the most offensive is people who think. But personally, I really like the words from the Midshipmen - Fate and Homeland are one.

      I’ll support you whole, at the very niece I’ve gathered in a geyropa, they say civilization is there, and you have only bowel movements here. And I told her: Well, go and pay their taxes for a year, I'll see how you get home !!!
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 23 November 2013 07: 49
    18
    So does our state in general have a social orientation or do all the resources of RUSSIA work for the needs of oligarchs and bigwigs of state capitalism?
    In whose hands are the main levers of the economy concentrated?
    In general, I don’t see the clear goal of the state, everything is in a daze, in the Kremlin they say beautiful words about patriotism, democracy and other things, but everything turns out in business.
  4. makarov
    makarov 23 November 2013 07: 59
    10
    ".. The elite governing the country does not set high goals for the development of society ..", .... she does not hide this, because the "elite" has the main goal and task to be enriched now, today, immediately, at the expense of society and state property.
    It seems nothing new is open.
  5. Gardamir
    Gardamir 23 November 2013 08: 02
    14
    I agree that "Fate and Motherland are one." But we do not have a state either. There is some kind of incomprehensible federal entity, such as "Russia" LLC. And the board of directors began to liquidate this LLC. They show it on TV. like Putin, I visited another plant, and I know that factories are closing. And how many people know that the police are being cut. Good or bad is another question. But there is no one to catch criminals. Special detachments will be left to disperse the demonstrators.
    Of course, I still love my homeland, as my mother loves.
    1. Lesnik
      Lesnik 23 November 2013 08: 26
      +1
      Quote: Gardamir
      And how many people know that they are cutting the police. Whether it is good or bad is another matter. But there is no one to catch criminals.

      That's why they are reducing what is the use of them
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 23 November 2013 08: 36
        10
        Quote: Forestman
        That's why they are reducing what is the use of them

        From GAI officers and the truth is not present, and here that operas were reduced, it is in vain. There are no less crooks. such a heap was piled on the remaining that it could not cope really, even for such a salary.
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 23 November 2013 08: 32
      11
      Quote: Gardamir
      I agree that "Fate and Motherland are one." But we do not have a state either.
      I don’t want to leave, and not because I don’t need it, my hands do not grow out of the priests, and I’ll settle down there if I wish. But there is no desire. I was born here, here I will die, anyway, under what kind of king. If you're lucky, clutching your teeth to the throat of the enemy. These are of course high words, but they reflect the essence. If the mother fell, she must be raised, and not abandoned, move on.
      Quote: Gardamir
      Of course, I still love my Motherland, as my mother loves

      good
  6. mak210
    mak210 23 November 2013 08: 23
    22
    According to some data, the number of those who left is from 1 to 2 million people, which is comparable to emigration after the VOSR. As a rule, those who leave are the best, the most mobile, passionate. What to catch here? Up to 90% of industrial enterprises are owned not just by offshore companies, but by foreigners. Protect oligarchs who buy sports clubs or Pisya s Kakami for hundreds of millions of rubles to have fun? The government is also no better: oil money in the USA, as much has been said about the Olympics, and they are already "winning" the second Spartakiad, they hold all sorts of summits, just for show, and they collect text messages for sick children.

    We don’t feel justice and Serdyuk is an example, we don’t feel protection for ourselves and our children: maniacs, Lezghinka, jeeps at bus stops. And the police quit and fights against smoking, it seems this is the main evil. How much has been said about secured auctions: no-no-no. The logic is strange: then they gave it away for free, now redeem at the market price? Why on earth? Declare the transaction null and void, return to them the pennies for which it was purchased, let them deal with the rest.

    A continuous increase in prices for everything? Chernukha in the press. Yes, you can go crazy.

    Sad Apparently, instead of catastrophic reforms, one should go back to building a great Russia, nationalize large-scale industry, and finally leave small enterprises alone. Catch up and overtake - remember such a slogan, I believed in it. But where is such a party? Something I do not see, Uncle Zu only complain and cry much more.
    1. striker
      striker 23 November 2013 17: 42
      +7
      Quote: mak210
      ... We do not feel justice and Serdyuk is an example, we do not feel protection for ourselves and our children: maniacs, Lezghinka, jeeps at bus stops. And the police quit and fights against smoking ...

      Sad.


      The main abomination of today's Russian life is not rudeness, and not even treating a person as a gosh, but the tacit consent of the majority to continue such an unworthy life and the desire to justify it.

      The ability to justify everything is the "truth" of the "worshipable" pseudo-patriots.
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 23 November 2013 19: 13
        +2
        Quote: striker
        The ability to justify everything is the "truth" of the "worshipable" pseudo-patriots.
      2. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 24 November 2013 12: 11
        0
        Quote: striker
        The main abomination of today's Russian life is not rudeness, and not even treating a person as a gosh, but the tacit consent of the majority to continue such an unworthy life and the desire to justify it.
        The ability to justify everything is the "truth" of the "worshipable" pseudo-patriots.

        Who has an unworthy life in Russia?
        Those who are old or sick and cannot earn a decent life, and pensions are meager.
        But such people are far from the majority.
        And in which country is there a decent life for everyone? Something I did not hear about such countries, everywhere there are rich, poor and poor.
        1. striker
          striker 24 November 2013 17: 06
          +1
          Quote: Corsair5912

          Who has an unworthy life in Russia?
          Those who are old or sick and cannot earn a decent life, and pensions are meager.

          You don’t understand anything, Pirate ...

          "The driver was given" conditionally "for the death of a girl and escape from the scene of an accident"
          http://sibkray.ru/news/1/805892/
          "A police officer was" conditionally "convicted for a man who burned down in a police car"
          http://sibkray.ru/news/1/808498/

          And when the best of the people come out to defend their right to LIFE, as in Western Biryulyovo or Manezhka, the authorities label them as “extremists,” “nationalist thugs,” “the fifth column,” with an inevitable accusation of antipatriotism, and they know that The next day, a million-strong crowd will not stand in front of the mayor's office asking: "Who did you call" scumbags ", cyki?"

          This is the "consent of the majority to continue such an unworthy life"
          1. Corsair5912
            Corsair5912 24 November 2013 20: 05
            0
            Quote: striker

            And when the best of the people come out to defend their right to LIFE, as in Western Biryulyovo or Manezhka, the authorities label them as “extremists,” “nationalist thugs,” “the fifth column,” with an inevitable accusation of antipatriotism, and they know that The next day, a million-strong crowd will not stand in front of the mayor's office asking: "Who did you call" scumbags ", cyki?"
            This is the "consent of the majority to continue such an unworthy life"

            I understand everything.
            You must defend your right to life in another way, in an organized and conscious manner.
            Before you go out somewhere, you need to organize, choose leaders, formulate your real requirements, get an answer, and only then, if the requirements are not satisfied, you need to gather millions of people.
            In the 70 years, we had a very big boss, a VIP who quietly handed out apartments to friends and relatives, together with the party secretary and the chairman of the trade union committee.
            They collected information, offered him, in writing, to return the apartment, were refused and began to send letters to the regional committee, the Central Committee, newspapers, radio, television.
            Six months later, he and his retinue were expelled from the party, then they were removed from their posts and dismissed. Neither communication in the Central Committee, nor orders, nor friends in the regional committee helped.
            And what's the use of walking the streets and scaring people?
            1. striker
              striker 24 November 2013 23: 05
              +1
              Who should write complaints? Thieves, thieves, what would they do with thieves according to the laws of thieves and written ones?


              Residents of Western Biryulyovo also first "wrote" ... to the council, the prefecture about the base ... and while they were "waiting for an answer" they were simply cut by migrants, on the thresholds of their own houses ...

              The signature itself put under the requirement to consider the introduction of visas with Central Asia and the Caucasus in the State Duma - they collected as required more than 100000 signatures - and so what? - where is the consideration of the popular demand?
              Evgeni Strigin sent money for legal aid - and so what? - One hell - they drove a guy for 9 years for saving his family from reprisal.
              In general, I don’t know a single person or a problem that could be solved by collecting signatures, appealing to reception rooms, raising funds, and other methods that are not dangerous for the authorities.
              So far, I see only one thing - only when people massively go out to UNCONSISTENT protests, as at Manezhka, as in Pikalyovo, as in Biryulevo - something starts to move from a dead point.

              Although why am I explaining this to you? Indeed, in science "the ability to justify everything" you seem to be the FIRST PUPIL.
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  7. calocha
    calocha 23 November 2013 08: 23
    +3
    If Putin does not rake the "Augean stables" then he is a traitor and is at the head of this rabble! In many ways, his will, his open call is needed .... We are waiting, s. Serdyukov and KO serve as a litmus piece.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 23 November 2013 14: 11
      +8
      Quote: calocha
      Serdyukov and KO serve as a litmus test.
    2. striker
      striker 23 November 2013 15: 38
      +7
      We heard his call: "WE WILL DIE UNDER MOSCOW!"
      For whom? For you? For Timchenko? For Kovalchuk? For the Rotenberg brothers? For Ber Lazar? For Alikperov and Lukoil? For Gutseriev and Russneft?

      Cut it, bite it
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 23 November 2013 19: 20
        +6
        Quote: striker
        We heard his call: "WE WILL DIE UNDER MOSCOW!"
        For whom? For you? For Timchenko? For Kovalchuk? For the Rotenberg brothers? For Ber Lazar? For Alikperov and Lukoil? For Gutseriev and Russneft?

        Cut it, bite it

        If I have to, die again near Moscow. That will not die for the GDP and the above. And so that there were no McCains, Albright and other "fighters" for crappy Russia in the country.
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 24 November 2013 09: 40
          +2
          No one will have to die near Moscow. Times are not the same. It’s easier to buy the top if you really need to. Which was done in the 90s. Cheap and effective. Amerikosy got a good hand in this.
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    4. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 24 November 2013 12: 15
      +2
      Quote: calocha
      If Putin does not rake the "Augean stables" then he is a traitor and is at the head of this rabble! In many ways, his will, his open call is needed .... We are waiting, s. Serdyukov and KO serve as a litmus piece.

      Putin does not pull on Hercules, his origin is not divine, but KGB.
  8. svoi
    svoi 23 November 2013 08: 23
    -7
    I am a patriot of Russia! But the realities are such that to love the Motherland, after all, it is better from some "comfortable" country where the state really cares about its
    1. kaktus
      kaktus 23 November 2013 08: 46
      +7
      In "comfortable countries" immigrants are strangers
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 24 November 2013 09: 42
        +1
        Heh, only sometimes emigrants in other countries live better than being a citizen in their own country. And then, if the specialist is good and the hands are not out of the ass, and knowledge of languages ​​is applied, then you will be better off living over the hill. I know what I'm talking about, a bunch of friends have left.
        It’s a completely different matter if you leave to wash toilets and work at McDonald’s, without education or skills. Then yes, you will be in the position of emigrant.
    2. AVV
      AVV 23 November 2013 12: 13
      12
      It’s the same as yes, I love my child, I adore him, but he has a mother, she will take care of him, and I live with another woman, and I will watch how the baby develops from the side and watch, maybe mother doesn’t gives, then I'll pick up the phone and make overclock to this mom !!! What dad are you after that, patriot yeshkin- cat !!!
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 24 November 2013 09: 44
        +2
        Completely incorrect comparison. It looks like we betrayed the state. Sorry, it betrayed us, threw and raped us. And several times in a row and in a rude manner.
  9. demotivator
    demotivator 23 November 2013 08: 37
    11
    I would like to learn from Ivashov himself his vision of "correct" patriotism. To begin with, how he personally estimates the fact that many Russian officials keep their savings in foreign banks, have other property there, their children study and live permanently outside Russia. Only recently have bureaucrats been legally banned from some of this, but do they fulfill all this requirement of the law? And in general, why is there a need for a law if there is "patriotism"? As for the problem of people who want to leave the country, this is certainly bad, but not fatal. Let them go. Let us remember how many of our fellow citizens rushed to Israel after the USSR collapsed and there were no obstacles to returning to their "historical homeland"? And then how did it all end? Many of them, especially all sorts of humorists, singers, showmen and so on, after a while returned again, now to Russia. I don't know if my parents were patriots, they never told me about it. They simply lived and worked honestly in their country, raised and raised their children and grandchildren. It was necessary - my father went to the front and fought for his country there, returned, and began to work again. And so, until the end of his days. Now, I suppose they were patriots. And not alone, but millions of those who quietly live in their country and work for its benefit and the welfare of their families.
  10. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 23 November 2013 08: 47
    +8
    In terms of the number of accidents per thousand aircraft, we are the most “advanced” in the world, and this suggests that the state and process control system is absent in the state.

    Every day in the news on the "moron" they give examples of an idiotic attitude towards people by officials after an emergency, arbitrariness of housing and communal services management companies, "Serdyukovschina" in state structures, bankruptcy of modern enterprises ... And our management structures not only try not to notice this, but even they encourage, they don't have to go far: the appointment of "Taburetkin" for a new "feeding" (even if it further destroys the country and enriches itself). It's just time to get rid of "parasites" and restore a normal state.
  11. kaktus
    kaktus 23 November 2013 08: 48
    +5
    It is not clear what patriotism has in common with lawlessness. recourse
    1. Lesnik
      Lesnik 23 November 2013 16: 06
      +3
      Quote: kaktus
      It is not clear what patriotism has in common with lawlessness. recourse


      Five points !!!!!! Handsome man! good
  12. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 23 November 2013 09: 42
    +5
    All negative in one gulp hits the minds of every person through the media, through rumors and so on.
    I agree here! Cruise missiles bombed our souls .. You don’t know who to believe.
    In such cases, I always remember Shevchuk's song "Motherland .. even though you are ugly .. but still you are my motherland on na na na na na naaaa .." Whoever and how would not crap ... l humiliate my soul .. As they say, OUR BUSINESS IS THE RIGHT VICTORY WILL BE OURS! "What is the power of brother ?? Strength is in the truth .. (though everyone has their own ..) These are the things ..
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 23 November 2013 12: 55
      +5
      Quote: MIKHAN
      I agree here! Cruise missiles bombed our souls .. You don’t know who to believe.
      In such cases, I always remember Shevchuk's song "Motherland .. even though you are ugly .. but still you are my motherland on na na na na na naaaa .." Whoever and how would not crap ... l humiliate my soul .. As they say, OUR BUSINESS IS THE RIGHT VICTORY WILL BE OURS! "What is the power of brother ?? Strength is in the truth .. (though everyone has their own ..) These are the things ..

      Very few people adequately perceive reality directly, and not through intermediaries from the media and other hostile voices.
      A person works in a dry, bright, well-heated room, lives in a free apartment with all amenities, has a decent wheelbarrow, and there is enough salary for all needs. Well, for almost everything, he can't buy yachts, villas in Florida and Chelsea clubs.
      In short, a person has everything necessary, does not go hungry and does not get homeless, but dutifully repeats nonsense about the backward impoverished hungry Russia and the collapse of 90% of industry and the inevitability of running over a hill. Zombies in kind.
  13. Good
    Good 23 November 2013 09: 51
    +3
    With all due respect to Comrade Levashov, I can not agree with some conclusions in the article.
    Many people don’t just don’t see, but most of all they don’t want to see. Inactive people are not interested in the life of the camps, are not interested in the policies pursued by the leadership of Russia, etc.
    News is drawn from social networks.
    Of course, all the negative points indicated in the article have a place to be. And I believe that time will pass, and at the very top of power will be a "sweep".
  14. saag
    saag 23 November 2013 10: 20
    +3
    Quote: Good
    And I believe that time will pass, and at the very top of power will be a "sweep".

    And who will "clean up"?
    1. Bort radist
      Bort radist 24 November 2013 13: 27
      0
      Self-decay. If only not in the form of an explosion.
  15. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 23 November 2013 10: 38
    +5
    Quote: saag
    Quote: Good
    And I believe that time will pass, and at the very top of power will be a "sweep".

    And who will "clean up"?

    There are a lot of people wishing .. Main Jews to this process (as in the 17th 37th) should not be allowed to come close .. Economically, they cleaned Russia well in the 90s (it will take 20 years to recover) .. Everyone is eager to clean up Serdyukov .. And there are a lot of redheads in the country! bully
    1. krasavchik
      krasavchik 23 November 2013 11: 31
      -2
      and Vladimir Vladimirovich is not a Jew, is it?)
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 23 November 2013 11: 38
        +8
        Quote: krasavchik
        and Vladimir Vladimirovich is not a Jew, is it?)

        Then Obama also write in the Jews
        1. krasavchik
          krasavchik 23 November 2013 11: 47
          -7
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Then Obama also write in the Jews

          but somehow I don’t care about Obama) well, we have Putin like Mother Shelomov, and the Jews, as you know, the nationality is transmitted by the mother) it’s just strange how it’s a true believer "Orthodox Christian" in a Jewish kippah with orotodxal Jews wandering around the wailing wall )
          Putin headed to the Wailing Wall - the main shrine of Judaism. He was accompanied by Chief Rabbi of Russia Berel Lazar and President of the Federation of Jewish Communities of Russia Alexander Borod.
          They told the Russian president the history of the shrine, which is the only surviving fragment of the Jewish Temple built by Solomon and destroyed by the Babylonians, and then restored by Herod and destroyed by the Romans.
          "It was a temple not only for the Jews, but also for all people who believe in one God, the father of all nations, and hope for his help. Therefore, prayer here is the duty of everyone," Berl Lazar later told reporters.
          According to him, Putin joined the prayers of the rabbis for Russia and its peoples.
          At the end of the tour, Putin talked to an Orthodox Jew, who asked the President in Russian to pray for the restoration of the Temple. "Then there will be peace on earth, and everyone will be happy," the interlocutor, who moved to Israel in the 90s and began to study Judaism, explained his request.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 23 November 2013 11: 50
            +2
            There is such a thing when the wedge in the head is not the end, but somewhere nearby hi
            1. krasavchik
              krasavchik 23 November 2013 11: 51
              -2
              shta did you mean?)
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 23 November 2013 12: 15
                +2
                Quote: krasavchik
                shta did you mean?)

                And what did the smilik set? And I realized that you thought you were funny
          2. atalef
            atalef 23 November 2013 11: 52
            -1
            Quote: krasavchik
            Yes, somehow I don’t care about Obama) Well, we have Putin, the mother Shelomov

            Me, I Naturlich - do you think Hitler is Jewish too?
            Why not Shalomov? So it seems more correct.


            Quote: krasavchik
            how a true believer "Orthodox Christian" in a Jewish kippah with orotodxal Jews wanders around the wailing wall)

            You can’t wander around the crying wall. Well, of course, if you don’t know how to pass through walls. And if you go 200 m from the crying wall to the left, you get neatly Via Dala Rosa (although you don’t know what it is), so the question is what do Orthodox Jews do in bales on it?
            By the way - a resident of Germany, and you are not afraid that your comments will somehow get into die Bundespolizei (Migration) - and you will go back to warm up the north of Kazakhstan with your hot body?
            1. krasavchik
              krasavchik 23 November 2013 11: 56
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              what do Orthodox Jews in bales do on it?

              I am most interested in what the "gussky" patriot Christian Putin is doing there)
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 23 November 2013 12: 15
              +2
              Quote: atalef

              Me, I Naturlich - do you think Hitler is Jewish too?

              Of course the Jews, all the Jews, wherever you spit laughing
              1. atalef
                atalef 23 November 2013 12: 25
                +3
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Of course the Jews, all the Jews, wherever you spit

                Sanya, what if you get into krasavchik. It will come to pass after all, Yeah!
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 23 November 2013 12: 31
                  0
                  Quote: atalef
                  what if you get into krasavchik. It will come to pass after all, Yeah!

                  Yes, it’s not the first time on the site. And he has only two themes: Putin and the Jews.
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            3. krasavchik
              krasavchik 23 November 2013 12: 16
              0
              Quote: atalef
              By the way - a resident of Germany, and you are not afraid that your comments will somehow get into die Bundespolizei (Migration) - and you will go back to warm up the north of Kazakhstan with your hot body?

              I am not a resident of Germany, this provider is weird, IPs are distributed)
              Threat my friend the Germans are already moving away from the guilty complex against the Jews, and it’s already quite official) here just a while ago Gunter Grass, who served in the SS, incidentally issued criticism of the addresses of Israel and the Jews, and this scattered all European tabloids) times when YOUR hot bodies will go to heat some Dachau or Auschwitz)
              1. atalef
                atalef 23 November 2013 12: 20
                +1
                Quote: krasavchik
                I am not a resident of Germany,

                Sorry

                Quote: krasavchik
                ) here, literally some time ago, Gunter Grass, who served in the SS, incidentally, criticized the address of Israel and the Jews

                No doubt . only I look for you in authority - grandfather probably in the war was the same in policemen?

                Quote: krasavchik
                YOUR hot bodies will go to heat some Dachau or Auschwitz)

                So you are Natsik. Everything is clear.
                Hitler kaput wassat
                Hitler Youth wassat
                1. krasavchik
                  krasavchik 23 November 2013 12: 25
                  +5
                  So you are Natsik. Everything is clear.
                  Hitler kaput wassat

                  strange, the Jewish Natsik accuses someone of a different kind of Nazism)
                  No doubt . only I look for you in authority - grandfather probably in the war was the same in policemen?

                  my great-grandfathers were the Red Army men)
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 23 November 2013 12: 32
                    -5
                    Quote: krasavchik

                    my great-grandfathers were the Red Army men)

                    Grandfather's last name is not Mehlis hour laughing
                    1. krasavchik
                      krasavchik 23 November 2013 12: 35
                      +5
                      not, Zinurov)
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              2. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 23 November 2013 12: 30
                +1
                Quote: krasavchik

                I am not a resident of Germany, this provider is weird, IPs are distributed)

                Really, not so long ago you were flying the Russian flag, using anonymizer and no miracles.
                Quote: krasavchik
                the Jews

                Quote: krasavchik
                Israel and the Jews

                You do not like the Jews I watch, so go to the appropriate site.
                1. krasavchik
                  krasavchik 23 November 2013 12: 34
                  +3
                  You do not like the Jews I watch, so go to the appropriate site.

                  here MIKHAN at the root of the tree throws quite anti-Jewish phrases, then you suspect that I bear a Jewish surname, now I am anti-Semitic) mutually exclusive paragraphs, however)
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Really, not so long ago you were flying the Russian flag, using anonymizer and no miracles.

                  dynamic ip and no miracles)
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 23 November 2013 12: 41
                    -4
                    Quote: krasavchik
                    then you suspect that I carry a Jewish last name,

                    Bormann, Muller, Kaltenbrunner? So you are also an ignoramus, in addition to all your advantages?

                    Quote: krasavchik
                    here MIKHAN in the root of the tree throws quite anti-Jewish phrases

                    You are in good company drinks
                    1. krasavchik
                      krasavchik 23 November 2013 12: 45
                      0
                      Bormann, Muller, Kaltenbrunner? So you are also an ignoramus, in addition to all your advantages?

                      Hess azazah) Yes, in general you are in vain so) I like the Jews) especially the juvenile harlem shake)
            4. Bronis
              Bronis 23 November 2013 13: 03
              -1
              Quote: atalef
              , I am Naturlich - do you think Hitler is also a Jew?

              It was not enough Adolf Aloizovich incuct and born out of wedlock! wassat
              Tovarisch Handsome is either a troll or autumn ...
            5. Lesnik
              Lesnik 23 November 2013 16: 14
              +1
              [quote = atalef] [quote] By the way - a resident of Germany, and you are not afraid that your comments will somehow get into die Bundespolizei (Migration) - and you will go back to warm up your North Kazakhstan with your hot body? [quote]

              And to you, dear, what is actually the matter, who and where and where will get to?
              look after yourself and take care of yourself negative
            6. revnagan
              revnagan 23 November 2013 20: 59
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              Me, I Naturlich - do you think Hitler is Jewish too?

              No, of course not. It's just that he has a "maiden" surname like this ... Interesting ... Schicklgruber, or something ... Typical Aryan surname, why be ashamed.
          3. Bronis
            Bronis 23 November 2013 12: 53
            +3
            Quote: krasavchik
            but somehow I don’t care about Obama) well, we have Putin like Mother Shelomov, and the Jews, as you know, the nationality is transmitted by the mother) it’s just strange how it’s a true believer "Orthodox Christian" in a Jewish kippah with orotodxal Jews wandering around the wailing wall )

            AA !!! Found the cause of all the problems in Russia ... wassat And did you see how his eyes glow demonically in the video? And he probably eats Christian babies ... wassat But taking into account the specifics of the site, trolling Velmi is just ... wassat
            1. krasavchik
              krasavchik 23 November 2013 13: 06
              +4
              strange type ... for some reason it doesn’t occur to me to kiss the children on the street in the stomach to kiss ...
              1. Bronis
                Bronis 23 November 2013 13: 08
                +3
                Quote: krasavchik
                strange type ... for some reason it doesn’t occur to me to kiss the children on the street in the stomach to kiss ...

                Oh yeah! You have much more eccentric ideas with varying degrees of obsession. wassat
                1. krasavchik
                  krasavchik 23 November 2013 13: 12
                  +1
                  Quote: Bronis
                  Oh yeah! You have much more eccentric ideas with varying degrees of obsession.

                  joking nicely, fraerok ^ _ ^
                  1. Bronis
                    Bronis 23 November 2013 13: 20
                    0
                    ABOUT! So it’s still not autumn, but the troll! laughing
                    Thank you, of course, for your rating. But "fraerok" is like an Odessa word. Vi still, do you yourself of these, whom you don’t love?
                    1. krasavchik
                      krasavchik 23 November 2013 13: 23
                      +1
                      someone trolls hike deep in their heads) right now, evil tongues speak, drugs are good for paranoia) I can get a ticket to a specialized dispensary, don’t you want to?)
                      1. Bronis
                        Bronis 23 November 2013 13: 28
                        -1
                        Quote: krasavchik
                        someone trolls hike deep in their heads) right now, evil tongues speak, drugs are good for paranoia) I can get a ticket to a specialized dispensary, don’t you want to?)

                        And someone has Jews, and on the other side of the body ... wassat
                        Oh yes ... can I? Do you confirm the quality? Just judging by the obsessions of some users, they don’t manage to cure everyone ... laughing
                      2. krasavchik
                        krasavchik 23 November 2013 13: 30
                        -1
                        Quote: Bronis
                        And someone has Jews, and on the other side of the body ...
                        Oh yes ... can I? Do you confirm the quality? Just judging by the obsessions of some users, they don’t manage to cure everyone ...

                        Evgeny Vaganych, relocate)
                      3. Bronis
                        Bronis 23 November 2013 13: 39
                        -2
                        Quote: krasavchik
                        Evgeny Vaganych, relocate)

                        Regina Igorevna! I will never be in your full house!
          4. Imperial
            Imperial 23 November 2013 13: 19
            +2
            Quote: krasavchik
            strange type ... for some reason it doesn’t occur to me to kiss the children on the street in the stomach to kiss ...
            Not everything is still lost, how you become president, then you’ll tell about your thoughts, now it’s not ice. And if he began to identify Jews by last name, then add to the list Boatswain, Pilot and Iceberg, 100% Jews, laughing because they drowned the Titanic, which means ...
            1. Bronis
              Bronis 23 November 2013 13: 23
              +4
              Quote: Imperial
              And if he began to identify Jews by their last names, then add to the list Boatswain, Pilot and Iceberg, 100% Jews, because they drowned the Titanic, which means ...

              The barrier was forgotten! wassat
          5. atalef
            atalef 23 November 2013 13: 28
            +2
            Quote: krasavchik
            strange type ... for some reason it doesn’t occur to me to kiss the children on the street in the stomach to kiss ..

            Children's horror story
            NECROZOOPEDOFIL came to our kindergarten - he brought dead little animals to kids wassat
            1. krasavchik
              krasavchik 23 November 2013 13: 32
              +3
              Yes, I see today we are rabid fans of a crooked mirror Sabbath) Krosava, continue to amuse me)
        2. atalef
          atalef 23 November 2013 13: 27
          -2
          Quote: Bronis
          And he probably eats Christian babies ...

          He doesn’t eat, in the picture, obviously according to Jewish tradition, he sucks the blood of Christian babies, and then kneads matzo on it for Easter. wassat
          1. Bronis
            Bronis 23 November 2013 13: 35
            0
            Quote: atalef
            He doesn’t eat, in the picture, obviously according to Jewish tradition, he sucks the blood of Christian babies, and then kneads matzo on it for Easter.

            What a dangerous person ...
  16. Pioneer007
    Pioneer007 23 November 2013 19: 17
    +2
    Putin in a pile with Hasidim. Well, we tolerate this too. Today we are under them, tomorrow they are under us. Moreover, the friends of Berezovsky have already laid a route for all of them. Have a good trip!
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 23 November 2013 10: 45
    +3
    Quote: "... the state and the elite ruling the country do not set high goals for the development of society and each person."
    The goals of the managing elite of Russia are to raise more dollars, send children to study in the West and, in anticipation of an arrest, quickly rush abroad. The Russian elite does not give a damn about its people for its development. The result of the rule of this elite is the general alienation of the people from power. a sense of doom and hopelessness.
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  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 23 November 2013 11: 22
    0
    Scold the authorities all the masters .. (this is one of the most beloved occupations in Russia at all times ..) Chernyshevsky also derived the formula "WHO IS GUILTY AND WHAT TO DO ??" Just imagine yourself for a moment that you are the Head of a huge multinational state with huge reserves of natural resources .. with nuclear weapons and the Army and the Navy .. One of your wrong words or actions and the world will simply be destroyed .. This is a huge responsibility ... I do not envy Putin. .. honestly (he has a huge number of enemies, both external and especially internal ..) We will let off steam here and go to bed calmly .. I remember Gorbach signed everything that they would offer (the main thing is that he was praised in the West and he did not care about the people! fought (like they got fat in the regional committees .. they eat sausage at night) .. the result you know .. about Russia they almost rubbed their feet .. Now someone can blather on Russia? .. so shrill barking from the bushes! But inside the country there are many problems accumulated .. And they urgently need to be addressed and I think they will be resolved and I hope not by languages!
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 24 November 2013 09: 52
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Now can anyone blather on Russia?
      Yes, for example, Colombia puts forward protest notes that our planes allegedly flew over it. Balts require money for the occupation. The Japanese want the Kuril Islands. And there are quite a few such examples. Until 1985, something like that was hard to imagine.
      Quote: MIKHAN
      But inside the country many problems have accumulated .. And they urgently need to be addressed.
      Exactly, Chubais in Rusnano, Livanov in the Ministry of Education and Serdyukov in mechanical engineering decide. In a company with Ulyukaev, Medvedev, Kudrin and other comrades of Putin.
  • Stinger
    Stinger 23 November 2013 11: 22
    +4
    + article. I am skeptical about the polls, but I would have subscribed to the assessment of the author of the general situation.
  • krasavchik
    krasavchik 23 November 2013 11: 30
    +9
    While the population is shouting "Russia ahead", the elite is stupidly concerned about one thing.
    No, not how to get more. This process is brought to their automatism and is served purely by the spinal cord. And the head is boiling from the main thing: how to fit into the ongoing processes of globalization and most importantly - on what rights.
  • Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 23 November 2013 11: 33
    +3
    Patriotism is still deeply connected with the human psyche. He survived from the animal kingdom when he was his among his own; in this direction, apparently, there was a selection. This feeling is necessary for a person to have a comfortable worldview and as a result requires a commitment to his own, his own society. The state as a form of organization of society and the place in which we feel our own. Regardless of the current mess, we will be ours only in Russia.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 23 November 2013 11: 50
      -1
      Well, you are straight Professor Pavlov ..)) You compare patriotism with the animal world .. reflexes instincts .... "We will be our own only in Russia" is this how to understand dear ?? Well, you bent ..
      1. Yuri Y.
        Yuri Y. 23 November 2013 19: 54
        +2
        Understand literally according to the meaning of each word. And by profession I’m a fitter of instrumentation and automation, in our time, a locksmith is like a peasant laughing . In addition, I am from the USSR i.e. we can say a seasoned materialist (not militant). Well, of course, I think that a person did not fall from the sky, but the result of the development of the terrestrial biosphere. And it differs from animals only (or mega-difference, whatever lol) consciousness. And emotions came to us from the animal world (or their rudiments clearly indicated by instincts) since they control the behavior of a person refracting through consciousness. Interacting with consciousness, emotions either weaken or intensify or give rise to new ones that are not directly related to instincts. Consciousness is the result of interaction with the external environment, including the social one. New emotions (i.e. new behavior) serve as an adaptation to the external environment depending on the situation. It can be said thesis that they would understand what I was talking about. Patriotism with the animal world you compare. I attribute it (roughly, you can say, as an emotion) to a person who has his own history as a species. And besides emotion (in accordance with some of your settings) you have not noticed any objections.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 23 November 2013 11: 39
    +1
    Quote: krasavchik
    While the population yells "Russia forward",,.

    Strange you spoke about (the population yells or ..?) "This country" "on what rights" .. "globalization" Familiar expressions from the beginning of the 90s .. So, "handsome" is better not to be angry ..
    1. krasavchik
      krasavchik 23 November 2013 12: 00
      -2
      and then Cho fart break?)
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 23 November 2013 12: 07
        +2
        Quote: krasavchik
        and then Cho fart break?)

        Hear the Gussky patriot under the German flag, who covered herself with the flag of the USSR, and your last name is not Katzman for an hour?
        1. krasavchik
          krasavchik 23 November 2013 12: 10
          -2
          all around the Jews and the State Department) and the fact that the president with the Hasidim in a pile is so garbage) this is probably a collage)
          Threat my surname is completely Russian)
          1. atalef
            atalef 23 November 2013 12: 36
            -3
            Quote: krasavchik
            all around the Jews and the State Department) and the fact that the president with the Hasidim in a pile is so garbage) this is probably a collage)
            Threat my surname is completely Russian)

            The collage is just that your last name is Russian.
        2. atalef
          atalef 23 November 2013 12: 14
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Hear the Gussky patriot under the German flag, who covered herself with the flag of the USSR, and your last name is not Katzman for an hour?

          definitely not, Alexander hi by the way and good day, and why not Bormann or Muller or Kaltenbrunner - at worst? Especially brother (nickname) - this is practically the second after -Zemel - from Kazakhstan, most likely a guy.
  • their
    their 23 November 2013 11: 44
    +3
    The statistics of the Levada Center company do not inspire confidence, they are ordinary grant eaters. It’s their job to pour blackmail on Russia against the legitimate government.

    Is General Ivashov an oppositionist? It is utter nonsense, I would have looked less at the box, no one today wants to leave Russia, this is a fact, and there is nowhere to flee today. From Israel, America, Germany - people are returning to Russia, there is such a trend today or fashion.

    As for Serdyukov and the elites, this is a matter of time, and they will deal with them over time, now apparently time and resources are devoted to completely different problems.

    Being a patriot without a clear ideology is not easy, so Putin started talking about BER, it’s something left to fix it in the constitution.

    There are people who drive the X5 and live in a 4-room apartment but yell that everything is bad and everything is gone. Some of them got too hungry. After all, the memory was quickly lost, the "sweet life" was completely forgotten in the 90s.
  • Sour
    Sour 23 November 2013 12: 29
    +3
    Ivashov in his role.
    As always, he offers nothing.
  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 23 November 2013 12: 42
    +3
    But the worst thing is not the fall of patriotism, because patriotism can grow. The worst thing is that the number of people wishing to leave Russia on all four sides is growing. This is a complete disappointment in Russian reality, but for young people and for the country as a whole, it is disastrous.

    For whom is it scary? If the rats flee from the ship, this is scary for the sailors, so the ship is sinking.
    Rats can make mistakes and get into even worse situations. In the 20-30s, the USSR practiced the Navy:
    58_2. Armed uprising or invasion of counter-revolutionary purposes on Soviet territory by armed gangs, seizing power in the center or on the ground for the same purposes and, in particular, with the aim of forcibly tearing away any part of its territory from the USSR and a separate union republic or terminating the prisoners of the Union SSR with foreign states treaties entail -
    the highest measure of social protection - execution or declaration of the enemy of workers with confiscation of property and with the deprivation of citizenship of the Union Republic and, thereby, citizenship of the USSR and expulsion from the borders of the USSR forever, with the assumption, under extenuating circumstances, of reduction to imprisonment for a term of not less than three years, with the confiscation of all or part of the property. [June 6, 1927 (SU N 49, Art. 330)]. Criminal Code of the RSFSR of 1926. Official text
    1. Sour
      Sour 23 November 2013 13: 22
      +3
      So who will declare the "enemy of the working people" and pass the death sentences? You and your friends? Where such confidence?
      Are you not afraid to be at the wall yourself?
      I recall a joke. Two drunk men go towards a sober citizen. One man to another:
      - come on, let’s give him as it should?
      Another in response:
      - and if he is to us?
      First man:
      - But for what?
      laughing
      In general, the desire to solve all problems by shooting touches. At the same time, there was a certainty from somewhere that they would not be touched.
      1. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 23 November 2013 15: 46
        +2
        Quote: Sour
        So who will declare the "enemy of the working people" and pass the death sentences? You and your friends? Where such confidence?
        Are you not afraid to be at the wall yourself?

        Do not ccat, Sour, no one will bear anything and will not announce anything.
        We are not talking about sentences, but about the fact that in the Stalinist USSR deprivation of Soviet citizenship and expulsion abroad were considered equivalent to execution.
        The wall doesn’t threaten me, I don’t steal, I don’t betray, I won’t run abroad.
        I am always on a par with the Russian people, and the people are always right.
        As the Italian comrade Nikolai Machiavelli used to say, the people always have an honest goal - they only want to not be oppressed.
        1. Sour
          Sour 23 November 2013 17: 41
          -5
          Quote: Corsair5912
          The wall doesn’t threaten me, I don’t steal, I don’t betray, I won’t run abroad.
          I am always on a par with the Russian people, and the people are always right.

          No need to fart, Corsair. Stink here enough.
          And do not have big words. Here you will not surprise anyone.
          Those who were put up against the wall in 1937-1938 spoke about the same. Basically, these were party people, commies who "made the revolution" and always "were with the people."
          But they were shot like stray dogs, and they were surprised - for what? Their descendants are still surprised at this.
          That is how it was in your beloved Stalinist USSR.
          Quote: Corsair5912
          the people always have an honest goal - they only want to not be oppressed.

          More than in your beloved Stalinist USSR, people are not oppressed anywhere. People had no rights at all. Even close. Only lawlessness and impudence of lawless bosses. Heard from his relatives, many of whom are alive to this day.
  • IMI35
    IMI35 23 November 2013 12: 48
    +2
    Ivashov is right in everything, I support. Ivashova for the presidency!
    1. killganoff
      killganoff 23 November 2013 13: 46
      0
      He was not allowed to enter the deputies, they did not miss. Stsuki are afraid of the true patriots of the People and the Fatherland!
  • WIN969
    WIN969 23 November 2013 12: 59
    0
    If people love their country only for material values, then they are worthless, let them fail on all 4 sides. It can be seen in 90 it was better to live than now, of course the oligarchs did not steal, the country did not cut. Ivashov claims that there were more than 2000 patriots than now? Yes, to lie in a hornbeam with such an idiot, and not write articles.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 24 November 2013 09: 53
      +1
      Can not compare with the 90s, but with the USSR or, for example, with developed countries.
  • killganoff
    killganoff 23 November 2013 13: 44
    -1
    That's what it says: I love my country, but I hate the state.
    1. Sour
      Sour 23 November 2013 14: 12
      +9
      Quote: killganoff
      but I hate the state.

      To which he served all his life, and held a considerable post in the Ministry of Defense under Yeltsin. Apparently, then everything was fine, from the point of view of Ivashov. But as soon as he retired, the state immediately hated it.
      1. shpuntik
        shpuntik 23 November 2013 15: 56
        +5
        Colonel
        Sour SU Today, 14:12 ↑ New
        But as soon as he retired, the state immediately hated it.

        So they climbed out before the recent elections: Efimov, Fedorov, Ivashov and a number of others like that. It began with the fact that they began to reveal the "secret of Polichenelle" about the influence of world geopolitics, world decision-making centers, and at the end always: "Putin knows it," "Putin has a plan." Question: where were they before? They are like Zhirinovsky - they say obvious, popular things, but they sit on their ass straight, do not twitch, do nothing. Those who were really ready: Kvachkov, in prison, Rokhlin, Petrov, Ilyushin, Troshev - in a coffin. And all sorts of Rutskoy, with suitcases of dirt, Serdyukov, Ivashov, everyone who bit their tongue, feel fine.

  • dropout
    dropout 23 November 2013 13: 45
    10
    Mikhail Lermontov
    MOTHERLAND

    I love my motherland, but with strange love!
    Her reason will not win.
    No fame, bought with blood,
    Neither full of proud peace of mind,
    Neither dark antiquities cherished precepts
    Do not stir in me a rejoicing dream
    But I love - for what, I don’t know myself

    Its steppes are a cold silence,
    Its forests are boundless kolyagyan,
    The spills of its rivers, like the seas;
    In the country way I like jumping in a cart
    And, with a slow gaze of a night piercing the shadow,
    To meet on the sides, sighing about the overnight stay,
    Trembling lights of sad villages.
    I love the smoke of a bedroom stubble,
    In the steppe, the overnight convoy
    And on a hill among the yellow fields
    Even the white birches.
    With joy, a lot of unfamiliar,
    I see a full threshing floor,
    The hut covered with straw,
    With carved shutters window;
    And on a feast in the evening dewy,
    Watch until midnight ready
    On the dance with stomping and whistling
    Under the sound of drunken peasants.
  • shpuntik
    shpuntik 23 November 2013 13: 48
    +4
    Look at the hackneyed topic, the "Serdyukovschina." People see that they have made a little noise, and now they spit in their faces, arranging Serdyukov for a well-paid job.

    What is the question of Len? Tied grenades and go! Blast yourself like a martyr in Serdyukov’s office, or at some meeting. Why not? You’ll sit the president of some fucking institute of the incomprehensible, Institute of Geopolitical Problems !!! Why not Cosmic ?! You get a salary from the budget, but you yourself cannot conduct a survey in the country; you use some kind of Levada Center. Shame alone. A court general of some kind, not a patriot.

  • Russ69
    Russ69 23 November 2013 14: 55
    +3
    An article written on the principle of just writing something ...
    Firstly, the link to Lkvady already raises questions. And the answers of Ivashov, solid cliches. As a military man, Ivashev is not in principle not bad, but as soon as he begins to talk about politics, he looks silly.
    In general, Homeland, this is not a government. And history has proven more than once. When people of different political views, stood in one line to protect it.
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 23 November 2013 15: 05
    +4
    Eh, it’s slurping, the long-suffering Russian people famously liberalism with a full spoon and the end-edge is not visible. sad
    Maybe God will help, as Field Marshal H.A. Minih used to say, that the Russian state is directly governed by God himself, otherwise it is impossible to understand how it exists at all. GOD BLESS RUSSIA!
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 23 November 2013 15: 57
      +3
      Quote: Peaceful military
      Eh, it’s slurping, the long-suffering Russian people famously liberalism with a full spoon and the end-edge is not visible.
      Maybe God will help, as Field Marshal H.A. Minih used to say, that the Russian state is directly governed by God himself, otherwise it is impossible to understand how it exists at all. GOD BLESS RUSSIA!

      Russia is not accustomed to difficulties, the ancestors were worse, but they did not lose heart and did not give up.
      And if trouble had come over Russia,
      Descendants will be trouble!
      It happens, - said the light-sun-prince, -
      Captivity will make you go through the mud
      Swim in it - pigs can only!

      Give me my great spell,
      That enchantment obtained in section
      Looted with the khozar khan in battle, -
      For Russian custom I drink to the bottom
      For the ancient Russian veche!

      For free, for honest Slavic people,
      I drink Novagrad for the bell
      And even if he falls to dust,
      Let his link in the heart of the descendants live -
      Oh, ok, oh, okay ladushki, okay!
      A.K. Tolstoy 1867
    2. Sour
      Sour 23 November 2013 17: 46
      -5
      Quote: Peaceful military
      GOD BLESS RUSSIA!

      Under your beloved Stalin, this counter-revolutionary phrase would not have been good.
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 23 November 2013 20: 05
        +4
        Quote: Sour
        Quote: Peaceful military
        GOD BLESS RUSSIA!

        Under your beloved Stalin, this counter-revolutionary phrase would not have been good.

        Get to know the history, especially the Second World War and after, than broadcast the anti-Soviet liberalistic sourism. fool
      2. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 23 November 2013 20: 09
        +1
        Quote: Sour
        Under your beloved Stalin, this counter-revolutionary phrase would not have been good.

        Nonsense. Stalin stopped the persecution of the Russian Orthodox Church, as early as 20 years.
        On August 16, 1923, relying on the decisions of the Congress of the RCP (B.) Congress, the Secretary General of the Central Committee of the Party, I. V. Stalin, issued a circular letter to all the provincial committees demanding that the closure of churches and religious arrests be prohibited.

        And then it was enshrined in the Constitution of the USSR.
        Article 124. In order to ensure freedom for citizens
        the church in the USSR is separated from the state and the school from the church.
        Freedom of worship and anti-religious freedom
        propaganda is recognized by all citizens.
        Constitution of the USSR 1936

        And in the Criminal Code of the USSR of 1926 (as amended in 1936.
        Article 127. Obstruction of the performance of religious rites, since they do not violate public order and are not accompanied by encroachments on the rights of citizens, -
        correctional labor for up to six months.
  • Wal
    Wal 23 November 2013 15: 05
    +4
    Universal experience says
    that kingdoms perish
    not because life is hard
    or scary ordeals.
    And they die because
    (and the harder the longer)
    that the people of his kingdom
    don't respect anymore.
  • Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 23 November 2013 15: 09
    +1
    The author wrote everything correctly. And here we have some understand patriotism as a love of Vadimir Vladimirovich personally ...
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 23 November 2013 16: 15
      -2
      But by and large, what would be patriotism without Putin now, when after Chechnya they began to doubt him. If it weren’t for Putin, we would all be breaking into the European Union and America. And now, well, we’re not living in fat, but I know that we are not characterless like the Balts, that we have the brain and the strength to withstand the blue and all the powers in this world, by 2020 we must arm ourselves to the fullest, you look at the defense industry will cut costs, money will go for other important needs, and you don’t need to troll here as if there is no corruption anywhere in the world, even in China, executions do not really help. Once again, Russia is a developing country, but so far it is not developed, and it cannot be called underdeveloped either.
      1. alone
        alone 23 November 2013 20: 16
        +1
        Quote: ZU-23
        , by 2020 they should arm themselves to the fullest, you look already at the defense industry, spending will be reduced, money will go to other important needs, and you don’t need to troll here as if there is no corruption anywhere in the world, even in China, executions do not really help. Once again, Russia is a developing country, but so far it is not developed, and it cannot be called underdeveloped either.

        belay
      2. Greenwood
        Greenwood 24 November 2013 09: 56
        0
        Have you not read the forecast of Russia's economic development until 2030 from Mr. Ulyukaev (or whatever)? It also clearly and clearly states that over the next two decades, the country's economy will continue to be predominantly raw with weak growth prospects and still lower living standards compared to Europe and the United States.
  • dnh1970
    dnh1970 23 November 2013 15: 26
    -1
    The article is short and fair! What kind of country we are! And with Serdyukov some kind of misunderstanding, we couldn’t spit so shamelessly on the society .... we have to wait and it will sit down.
    1. soldier's grandson
      soldier's grandson 23 November 2013 20: 23
      +2
      you still say that DAM will sit down - your words fontastika
  • Clueless
    Clueless 23 November 2013 15: 28
    +1
    Here's the current about the slums do not need to write. Everyone writes that people live in slums, in wooden huts. Has anyone ever been to these areas? Communicated with these residents? There, more than 90 percent of the inhabitants are always drunks, drug addicts, and prisoners.

    Give them good housing? Yes, they give it away, they move them to new buildings, after six months they change their 2-room apartment to 1-room, they drink part of the amount on drugs, then 1-room for the same but in a cheaper area, or a smaller village, they again drink the difference and so until the moment they move to such barracks.

    And the question is, for what .... to give such a contingent housing, if they drink his one hell. Almost all real estate agencies live on such a contingent of clients. For some of these clients, apartments are changed 10 or more times!

    Normal people will not live in barracks, because a normal man will buy a cottage plot in an extreme case, build a simple house out of a log house and live there with his family until he stores it for an apartment. But he will not sit and whine that life and the state do not care about me.
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 23 November 2013 16: 57
      +1
      I agree that the one who achs is simply a scarecrow himself in 80% of cases, if not 99%. I have a neighbor in my old apartment who is disabled without legs, so he was at home dying of boredom in the 90s, in the 2000s he began to repair equipment at home, and now he is in charge of computer technicians in the administration, that’s what a person isn’t stuffed up, there are plenty of opportunities now, look even downs are knocked out at people, although they are amazed and look at such freaks who whine and have straight arms and legs but drink.
  • scientist
    scientist 23 November 2013 15: 31
    +5
    Patriotism is love for the motherland i.e. the region and the people living there. The state, by definition, is an instrument of violence against the people. Therefore, blaming the people that he does not like his own power is stupid. It is possible that respect for power has significantly decreased, since this power systematically violates the moral and ethical principles of justice, while violating the independence of the media, which zombies the people and justifies power. Thus, a mood of hopelessness arises and people leave the country until another social explosion occurs. However, a true patriot will not assent to the authorities, seeing lawlessness and corruption in its highest echelons, but will fight for justice and for the interests of his own people.
  • FormerMariman
    FormerMariman 23 November 2013 17: 46
    +1
    I don’t understand how Ivashov could react with his article to the research of the Levada Center, because he knows very well that its founder is a foreign NGO! There are problems, and they will all be fair, but all the results of social polls from the Levada Center are even worse than purchased clicks and SMS on the Internet for the sole purpose of throwing dirt on everything!
  • bevatec
    bevatec 23 November 2013 17: 52
    +2
    A SUV who has risen from major to COLONEL GENERAL stupidly changing offices in the Moscow region and over the years of "service" "deserved" 3 apartments in Moscow and "a house in the village" is trying to "get dividends" from all the bad things that happen? but authorship causes a gag reflex.
  • Panikovsky
    Panikovsky 23 November 2013 18: 03
    +1
    but I like Leonid Grigorievich Ivashov. I like his position in life — in my summers, she must dare to have her own judgment.
  • os9165
    os9165 23 November 2013 18: 55
    +7
    A case in point is the Russian general A.I. Denikin, he had no reason to love the Bolshevik leadership, but he refused to cooperate with the Nazis when they were near the walls of Moscow. He said to the envoy of the Nazi leadership that he was a patriot of Russia and would never have anything to do with its invaders.
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 23 November 2013 23: 50
      0
      Quote: os9165
      A case in point is the Russian general A.I. Denikin, he had no reason to love the Bolshevik leadership, but he refused to cooperate with the Nazis when they were near the walls of Moscow. He said to the envoy of the Nazi leadership that he was a patriot of Russia and would never have anything to do with its invaders.

      This is for the most part a fiction composed by liberals in perestroika.
      Denikin was offered to collaborate with the Nazis in the ministry of propaganda at Goebbels, he refused and was released.
      In 1941, he was 70 years old; a warrior was from him, like a bullet from a hare nut.
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  • Pioneer007
    Pioneer007 23 November 2013 19: 11
    +7
    Here is a good photo too.
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  • Captain45
    Captain45 23 November 2013 19: 17
    +1
    I read the comments and understood that everything that I had read earlier about organizational weapons and information warfare is pure truth. Because I was convinced how subtly and skillfully the enemies of my Motherland, my country and my state act. Unlike some who say that their homeland is the USSR, I do not share these concepts and I find it strange, because I myself come from the USSR, that those who were born in the USSR divide the country, the state and the Motherland. It means that cunning psychologists from Harvard and other mental projects have achieved their goal. They have divided these three inextricably linked concepts in the minds of people, and now people hoarsely argue what they will that they will fight: "I love the Motherland, but I will not fight for the state. I love the Motherland, but I will leave this country, etc., etc." All the finish, the enemies of My Motherland, the Russian state have achieved their goal, in the brains of the population confusion, confusion and vacillation. People do not understand where they are and what they need: country, homeland or state. As for the above photo of Putin in a pile, I will not enter into a discussion whether a Jew or not a Jew GDP, I will just say my opinion. Putin was in Israel on an official visit and as a well-mannered person, when visiting holy places for the local population, he put on a kippah so as not to offend the feelings of the believers present at the same time. I think if he will be in Mecca and need to visit the Kaaba for the benefit of the cause, so that with the Saudis about something, thenagree, then he will put on a turban. If only there was a sense of it. And there is a sense, which is clearly seen in affairs in international politics. Maybe if during a visit to Israel the GDP did not wear a kippa, then Netanyahu would not have gone to consult him ...
  • soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 23 November 2013 19: 18
    +2
    do we really still believe a lot that good Putin is one thing, and the government and oligarchs are different, believe that he will deal with bad DAM and Stool, well, as children, I swear
    1. striker
      striker 23 November 2013 23: 14
      0
      There are! fool
      1. soldier's grandson
        soldier's grandson 23 November 2013 23: 18
        +1
        but I didn’t know that I was a CIA agent, how can I get their salary now? 99% of Russian agents? this is a blow to the US budget!
  • Sharp
    Sharp 23 November 2013 19: 36
    +3
    In addition to Ivashov.

    Russian Soul loves:
    Not wealth, but Lad
    Not power, but justice,
    Not permissiveness, but Serving the Homeland,
    Not bodily pleasures, but a Song of Love.
    And what happened?
    Foreign adversaries invaded the holy of holies - the Russian Soul,
    To break it, distort, smear with dirt.
    And they made us spend their lives empty, alien, nasty,
    With a tragic outcome:
    We wanted wealth, and we became poor
    We wanted power, and became subordinates,
    We wanted freedom, and became captives,
    We wanted happiness, and became unhappy.
    So what now?
    The holy duty of every Russian person:
    Banish the adversary from our lands, from our minds,
    To clear the Russian Soul of everything alien, not inherent in it,
    Return to your Native Origins
    And to establish a Righteous Life - TRUE RUSSIAN.
  • EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 23 November 2013 20: 27
    +4
    A patriot, in my opinion, is a person who loves his homeland. 99% of the country's population loves it. The only difference is how they see her future and what needs to be done for this. This is the source of contradictions. Really the "whites" were less patriots than the "reds" or the communists were less patriots than nationalists, all patriots, maybe except for a handful of liberal traders, fans of the golden calf.
  • Normman
    Normman 23 November 2013 21: 06
    +3
    It is enough for good to do nothing so that evil conquers ...
  • soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 23 November 2013 21: 49
    +2
    Quote: os9165
    A case in point is the Russian general A.I. Denikin, he had no reason to love the Bolshevik leadership, but he refused to cooperate with the Nazis when they were near the walls of Moscow. He said to the envoy of the Nazi leadership that he was a patriot of Russia and would never have anything to do with its invaders.

    having received a birdhouse the second time, he didn’t want to, he did not believe in the victory of the invaders, because he realized that it was useless to fight against the people, but since he considered himself a patriot, why didn’t he do anything in defense of Russia
    1. EdwardTich68
      EdwardTich68 23 November 2013 22: 08
      0
      What should he do?
      1. soldier's grandson
        soldier's grandson 23 November 2013 22: 39
        0
        Well, since he is a general patriot, he knew what had to be done, not to fight against the people
  • Grif
    Grif 24 November 2013 05: 38
    +1
    Our power has always been filthy. Patriotism is a love for the motherland, and not for power. I personally am not going to bring down from Russia. Power is changing, Russia remains. Glory to Russia!