Military Review

Measures to significantly increase the number of contract servicemen in the Russian army

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From the Ministry of Defense, information was again received that by the end of the year fundamental changes could be made to the Law on Military Duty and Military Service. These changes will affect the choice of service life. The choice is the following: if a young man between the ages of 18 and 27 years is called up for military service, his conscription will be exactly 12 months, and if he decides to enter into a contract with the Ministry of Defense, the contract will be reduced from the current three years to two. In other words, you want to quickly go to the "demob" - serve a year of "time", and you want to live outside the barracks (for example, in a rented apartment), receive a salary (voiced around 30 thousand rubles a month for a private), enter the military mortgage - enter into a two-year contract with MO.




Until recently, it was a question that the right to conclude a two-year contract from the first day of service will be granted exclusively to university graduates. Now, Secretary of State of the Ministry of Defense Nikolai Pankov notes that there are plans to provide such opportunities to graduates of secondary vocational schools (colleges, technical schools and vocational schools, which, from 1 September 2013, according to the norms of the new law “On Education”, also become part of the ACT) .

At the same time, it is not the first time in the main military department that they declare that they will not succeed. That is, if one of the young people decides to immediately conclude a contract for two years, serve for two months "for decency", and then terminate the contract for any reason, then the remaining time will be "asked" to serve according to the formula conscription is equal to two days of service under the contract ". In one of the past articles on “Military Review, this topic was discussed after it was first voiced by representatives of the Ministry of Defense. The article cited examples of calculations of the period that a contractor would need to serve as a recruit, if he decides to stop fulfilling his contractual obligations, but some readers did not heed the calculations and decided that there would be cases in which it would not be necessary to serve. In fact, if the contract is terminated before the expiration of two years of service, it will be necessary to serve as a recruit in any case.

Example. If a young man served a contract for six months and decided to terminate the contract, then he will remain 9 months as a draftee. Where did this figure come from? That's where: from 24 months of contract service, the period during which the contract was executed, in this case 6 months, is subtracted, and then the resulting number is divided into two (as the ratio of the terms of the contract service and conscription service).

Even if the contractor has served 1 a year and 10 months before the termination of the contract, he will still have to walk for a month in the rank of “conscript”: (24-22): 2 = 1 a month.

Why does the Ministry of Defense support the idea of ​​amending the law? Official report: to popularize the contract service and, as a result, to increase the number of contract servicemen in the Russian army. Today, according to information from the main military department, contract servicemen in the ranks of the Republic of Armenia are 206 thousands of people. And after four years, according to the program, their number in our army should be 425 thousands. The new amendments to the law “On Military Duty and Military Service,” according to the leadership of the Ministry of Defense, should contribute to this (an increase in the number).

In fact, the new proposal from the main military department looks quite viable. If in large Russian cities with vacancies for young people there are few problems, then in the provinces not every young man immediately after receiving a university degree or a technical school is able to find a job for 30 thousand rubles a month. "Not everyone" - this is an understatement. In a number of regions, such a salary is generally unattainable for young people.
That is why many graduates are clearly interested in the proposal to conclude a two-year contract. It is the monetary allowance and, naturally, a certain hypothetical advantage of the contract soldier over the draftee (living outside the barracks, for example) will be able to do their job, and the number of servicemen serving under contract in our army will start to grow. Of course, one of the readers of draft age will say that he “in the civilian world” gets “a lot more” than promised in the Ministry of Defense, but in reality such (well-paid young people), as stated in the film “Garage”, “an overwhelming minority ", Especially if you ignore Moscow or Ugra.

Will the growth in the number of contract servicemen be systematic and progressive? - a question, the answer to which depends on the contract policy of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. If the Ministry of Defense is going to actually provide the servicemen with the benefits that are being spoken about now (and this is not only decent wages and the possibility of living outside the military unit, but also the entry (at the request of the soldier) into the military mortgage after two years of contract), then there will be growth. If all this is a fairy tale “about a white bull” with the aim of banal luring into contract rows for a tick, then the new amendments will not lead to anything good.

There is a special nuance in this proposal. How much will such contract soldiers - people who have just joined the army from the school, lyceum, institute bench - be different from the "conscripts"? In other words, in this case will the concepts “contractor” and “military professional” at least somehow correspond to each other. Even now, they often fit together with a big stretch, and if there appear in the army (already by 2017) almost half a million people, who until recently had little to do except for a ball-point pen and a mobile phone, then the declared effectiveness of such an army would raise questions .

The very idea seems to be worthwhile. But the Ministry of Defense believes that after modern institutions, only the masters of their field, specialists with a capital letter, come out into the “big life”. But in reality, such specialists as a percentage of the total mass - the cat wept. They are - yes, but nevertheless representatives of the grayish mass, who, out of a hundred separate academic hours of lectures and seminars, were attended by one and a half hours - many times more.
And where such, God forgive me, "military professional" "shove"? To entrust him with the management of modern military technology - well, well ... After all, he remembers, bends, “kills” what is good - restoration and repair will cost even more than what the state has spent on training such a “specialist”. If you don’t trust anything at first, then what is the very need to attract 425-ty thousand contract soldiers? Will he have time to master all the wisdom of operating the same technology in two years? Again, if the diploma is not a linden, then it is quite, but by that time the term of the contract may come to an end. And then it turns out that the Ministry of Defense should attend not only to blindly gain weight, but also to preserve the personnel potential of the contract - people who had time to understand professional services had time to realize that the goal of professional services is far from just monetary earnings, but still (and this in the first place) - serving the Motherland. But to bring such a thought to a modern young man is extremely not easy ...

In general, before making the transition to the new scheme, you still need to have an exact plan of where and how the skills and abilities of the “new contract servicemen” will be used and whether they will be used for the purpose at all. Let us hope that the Ministry of Defense has such a plan, and that its implementation will go not only on paper.
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  1. Denis
    Denis 25 November 2013 07: 39
    +9
    receive wages (announced about 30 thousand rubles per month for an ordinary person)
    And on time !!!
    For the hinterland, then a lot of money and if there is work
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 25 November 2013 08: 02
      +7
      the main thing is that this money should be paid. in our regiment (at that time I received under the contract 16 tr. in order to get it I had to give the "date" 4 tr. after the "demobilization" they turned to both the prosecutor's office and FSB, but at the place of residence. They listened to us there ... and thanks for that. The difference between the declared and available at that time was significant.
      1. Farik
        Farik 25 November 2013 08: 55
        +4
        Quote: fartfraer
        the main thing is that this money should be paid. in our regiment (at that time I received under the contract 16 tr. to get it I had to give a "date"

        You don’t have to worry about this right now. Now Moscow is paying all DDs. The dates from the units have become obsolete as a class.
        1. Apologet.Ru
          Apologet.Ru 26 November 2013 20: 41
          0
          hi
          But in my opinion, the military personnel. those. Under the contract, there can only be someone who has served military service. And this service should last at least 3 years ...
          1. atalef
            atalef 26 November 2013 20: 44
            0
            Quote: Apologet.Ru
            But in my opinion, the military personnel. those. Under the contract, there can only be someone who has served military service. And this service should last at least 3 years ...

            Did you mean an urgent 3 years?
    2. govoruha-otrok
      govoruha-otrok 25 November 2013 14: 42
      +1
      in Khankala offer so much. A concrete worker in construction receives so much. without the risk of being killed by a bullet)
    3. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 25 November 2013 16: 21
      +2
      For the hinterland, then a lot of money and if there is work

      This is a decent salary for many Russian cities, to be more honest, so to speak.
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 25 November 2013 18: 37
        +6
        Quote: cth; fyn
        This is a decent salary for many Russian cities, to be more honest, so to speak.

        When they talk only about the salary, the old driver's adage comes to mind: "It was not about the woman, d ... I was sitting in the cab" request
        If a military servant, even an officer, even an ordinary contract soldier, does not understand the service, does not have the corresponding moral and business ones, then write lost, no salary, or rather salary (they serve in the army, and do not hobble out of hopelessness), will not help. yes
        Army service should be life choices from regular military service to a decent retirement, rather than an attempt to find a civil loser in this life. It would be more correct to call a military professional not a contractor, but, in the old way, an over-conscript, because the presence of a contract does not at all imply a mandatory high professionalism.
        Careful selection for professional service only after an urgent!
        Ballast in the troops is not needed.
        The louse doesn’t want to live in the barracks, give him an apartment from the first days of service, and in the war where will his apartments be?
        The service does not only provide the military academy, the army service should prepare psychologically and physically a man - a warrior, for whom the task of military service to his country, ideally of course, is the life's work.
        1. edeligor
          edeligor 25 November 2013 20: 17
          +1
          I agree to all 200%! Selection and selection again !!! Cattle racing will not lead to anything good. The contractor (over-term) should strive to serve, pass FIZO, increase class rating on the VUS, etc. etc., in the end, should BE Proud of the military uniform!
          The beginning seems to be what will happen next .....
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          2. iConst
            iConst 26 November 2013 17: 23
            +1
            Quote: edeligor
            The contractor (overdue) should strive to serve, to pass FIZO

            Fat staff generals must first physically surrender, like the Americans.
            Then the reforms will go better and local conflicts will be more successful.
  2. Alikovo
    Alikovo 25 November 2013 08: 00
    +1
    seemingly normal conditions for increasing the number of contract soldiers.
    1. Papakiko
      Papakiko 25 November 2013 15: 18
      +1
      Quote: Alikovo
      seemingly normal conditions for increasing the number of contract soldiers.

      In general, does not matter through the stern.

      Let's hope that the Ministry of Defense has such a plan, and that its implementation will go not only on paper.
      Frankly recalibrate these words and the meaning is completely true.
      Let's hope that "plan“The Ministry of Defense has it, and that its implementation will go not only on paper.
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 25 November 2013 16: 23
        0
        Let's hope that the Ministry of Defense has a "plan"

        Let's hope that the "Plan" at the MO is big! What would Wow! and fantasy flooded.
  3. ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 25 November 2013 08: 08
    +5
    I believe that after 4 months of training, each fighter must decide for himself how to continue his service. And then, let the command decide with whom it is worth signing the contract, and who for the term.
    1. PPL
      PPL 25 November 2013 08: 36
      +5
      I agree with you - first, training, and then, based on the selection results, a contract.
      And what happens, now "wholesale" will recruit just anyone, just to fulfill the plan under the contract, to report on the results, and the commanders again then wrinkle their turnips, where to put this contract miracle!
      Although it’s good, in order to prepare a normal specialist from a former schoolchild (for the maintenance and operation of modern equipment) it takes at least 1,5 - 2 years.
    2. Energet1k_
      Energet1k_ 25 November 2013 12: 09
      +3
      Quote: ramzes1776
      I believe that after 4 months of training, each fighter must decide for himself how to continue his service. And then, let the command decide with whom it is worth signing the contract, and who for the term.

      Here !! At least one sensible thought. The guys who even wrote / read with me, didn’t know how to speak Russian there, and what to take them on a contract ?? This is crazy. He passed the training in 4,5 months at the end of which 90% of the skills were mastered, the remaining 7,5 months can be said to have been wasted. The only thing that is missing training is a real training ground with real firing / exercises / marches, etc.
  4. waisson
    waisson 25 November 2013 08: 30
    0
    take me and I will not have similar problems, but age
  5. UrraletZ
    UrraletZ 25 November 2013 08: 34
    +3
    Idiocy! After the "deadline" you need to decide - either for civilian life or for a contract. I can imagine how the would-be "contract soldiers" who have not served in the army a day before, and the conscripts themselves, will be humiliated. I don't understand the idiot who came up with this idea ((
    1. Excalibur
      Excalibur 25 November 2013 09: 54
      -3
      Quote: UrraletZ
      I can imagine how the would-be "contract soldiers" who have not served in the army a day before, and the conscripts themselves, will be humiliated.

      Why will they humiliate? Are Russians so evil?
      Or is the Russian army like a zone with criminal concepts?
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 25 November 2013 18: 52
        +3
        Quote: Excalibur
        Why will they humiliate? Are Russians so evil?
        Or is the Russian army like a zone with criminal concepts?

        Go serve yourself at least in the US Army, and you will understand a lot.
        winkDo you think that humiliation is physically and mentally offending and so on, but simply not respecting you for being paid money, and you still do not know how, complete zero, while others do the same "for free" - is not humiliation? And himself. request
        And at your leisure, look on the Internet about the level of crime, suicide, etc. in the same US contract army. So not only Russians are very evil ...
    2. leon-iv
      leon-iv 25 November 2013 10: 03
      0
      nobody will humiliate anyone. Double basses will also be motivated by training to receive a VUS. Well, then do not care.
      1. Excalibur
        Excalibur 25 November 2013 10: 13
        -12 qualifying.
        But still, is the Russian army like a zone with criminal concepts or not?
        1. leon-iv
          leon-iv 25 November 2013 10: 39
          +3
          any community with more than 30 people will look like a zone, more precisely a zone - this is an ordinary social model. For both there and there are gradations. and the same social laws apply.
        2. Migari
          Migari 25 November 2013 14: 58
          +2

          And for this you need to be in the army, so that you have the right to objectively talk about it, now the times are returning when they looked at someone who did not serve in the army as rickets and not a peasant.
  6. volkodav
    volkodav 25 November 2013 08: 35
    +6
    Tales, tomorrow I am signing the third contract. To find the answer to his questions, the author just needs to go to live in the army for at least a week. The first two contracts were in the Ministry of Internal Affairs VV 46 OBRON and 96 VGO division. for money, only the monetary content that is claimed. but they didn’t pay a penny for excess normative involvement in the service, not a single day of an extra day of rest, they appealed to the military prosecutor’s office, and to the court all for everything, they have their own movements
  7. volkodav
    volkodav 25 November 2013 08: 44
    +4
    providing housing is also all in full ass-3600rub. in a month we’ll raise and basta. Maybe someday they will buy apartments for official housing. With pomp and pride for themselves, they are showing the delivery of new houses for the military (Zarechny, Novouralsk), but there are waiting list and officers, for double bass at least an official dream.
  8. volkodav
    volkodav 25 November 2013 08: 52
    +5
    we also recruited all comers in bulk, over the course of a year, four personnel changed, only a few serve normally, the rest start ... for a week or even a month, and you look for them to bring in part and put him in a barracks position. My opinion is necessary only after an urgent term, such a right is granted. And the MO, in order to equip parts with double basses, you need parts from big cities to small ones, there are problems with those who wish, and with housing much less
  9. volkodav
    volkodav 25 November 2013 08: 59
    +2
    and the very procedure of calling from a citizen to a contract in the Moscow Region leaves much to be desired, I've been waiting for two and a half months now, this is without taking into account the passage of the IHC and a personal file has already been formed. The bureaucracy - first, a finished personal file lies waiting for a commission in the regional military registration and enlistment office, then you are included in the draft order and sent to Moscow, and when the answer comes from there (after 2-5 weeks), they will give you a personal file and send it to the unit to sign the contract. Previously, after the IHC, they came to the unit with a personal file and signed a contract, they spent less than two months on time. How they are assembled is incomprehensible
    1. Massik
      Massik 25 November 2013 17: 48
      0
      Well, at the Ministry of Internal Affairs VV, at least somehow, he served urgent in the 93rd MVD VVD, after 9 months. wrote a report in the 12th OCH. The medical commission took place for about 3 weeks, went to the hospital once a week, gave an hour for everything, about everything and vice versa. After VVK, I waited another one and a half to two months. The contract is almost complete self-sufficiency, shooting and tactics until the morning, and at 1 you should already be at work again. The first year I did not leave the barracks, the feeling that you are already on the contract, and not any conscript, the exact same schedule with distinction is free time from 8.00 to 19.00.
  10. aszzz888
    aszzz888 25 November 2013 09: 03
    +1
    The idea is good. And without training, what service would go to mind? A joke, but without training it is very difficult to continue the service.
  11. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 25 November 2013 09: 07
    +1
    The idea is generally good! How successfully all this will be implemented will depend entirely on the municipalities, on their sequence and decency in fulfilling their obligations in terms of providing housing and paying wages
  12. ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 25 November 2013 09: 08
    +2
    Many people who want to go on a contract want to serve near their home. There are not so many who want to go on a contract from the center to the Caucasus or Siberia. As I understand it, "new" double basses will be seen without their desire to be sent throughout the country.
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 25 November 2013 21: 58
      0
      - The recruitment of contractors "on a territorial basis" is a way to remove the problem with providing housing from the command of the unit ... almost all of us lived in the villages closest to the part ... or in the city itself ... As for the place of service: when they were sent to study in warrant school, warned that after graduation we will go to the disposal of the personnel of the division, and there they will be sent where they will be sent ...
  13. morpogr
    morpogr 25 November 2013 09: 25
    0
    I wanted it to not work out like in a saying: it was smooth on paper and forgot about the ravines. We need to think through the entire algorithm to the smallest detail.
  14. major071
    major071 25 November 2013 09: 39
    +8
    No, to serve on a contract immediately conscripts are nonsense. Let them first, as the saying goes, "sniff gunpowder," they will teach the materiel, the KMB will pass, feel what service is. What a nafig out of him a contract soldier when he doesn't know from which end to take a machine gun. At least six months, and then decide on the totality of all qualities, whether he is suitable for contract service. Otherwise, it will not be a professional army, but a kindergarten for a walk, and even with weapons.
  15. smel
    smel 25 November 2013 10: 09
    +3
    Oh time !!! Oh manners !!! Mr. Pankov simply did not do anything, he either recruited contractors or dispersed them to please Serdyukov and Co. Now here again he is moving his thoughts ... Gaining ... In this is the tragedy of the situation and disbelief in the result. Interestingly, but in the end does he have beliefs, responsibility, officer honor ?? Apparently there is only one desire - to serve the homeland. But in what form - it does not matter. So we will rush about in our actions without answering a single step. The time of irresponsibility does not end in any way. It is pleasant that even the Far Eastern inspectors in chorus abandoned their heated places in solidarity with Ishaev. Oh time !!! Oh manners !!!
  16. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 25 November 2013 10: 24
    +6
    What will it be for contractorwho has only initial knowledge of army technology and zero experience in military service. The desire of the General Staff to increase the number of contractors at any cost will lead to the descriptivation of the contract service. I judge this as having served the 34 of the year (calendar).
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 25 November 2013 10: 52
      0
      So do you think the number of contractors does not need to be increased? A bunch of all kinds of weapons are coming into service, how do military men need to drink these weapons, now there are completely different threats, descritation is not even taken into circulation.
  17. Boris55
    Boris55 25 November 2013 10: 36
    +3
    I think the year is urgent - it’s not such a long time, but it will give the young man a good idea of ​​the army (not a cinema) and the commanders to assess the potential of the future contractor - and then serve with him ...
    You should not eliminate such a function as recruiting.
    And so - it looks like a deception of one and the other, somehow it’s not good ...
  18. pv1005
    pv1005 25 November 2013 10: 51
    +2
    Yeah, who didn’t want to go for a year, now he’ll definitely go for two years. What are they thinking there.
    And the tales that the whole social sphere in the army will be resolved, if not today by evening, then by tomorrow morning for sure, we have been listening since the beginning of the 90s.
  19. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 25 November 2013 11: 01
    +2
    Surely, the military received a command to recruit a certain number of contract soldiers, so we need to fulfill it, and what kind of "specialists" will be, we'll figure it out further!
  20. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 25 November 2013 11: 08
    +2
    Quote: Farik
    Quote: fartfraer
    the main thing is that this money should be paid. in our regiment (at that time I received under the contract 16 tr. to get it I had to give a "date"

    You don’t have to worry about this right now. Now Moscow is paying all DDs. The dates from the units have become obsolete as a class.

    There are no dates, but now if there is some kind of incomprehensibility with the salary, you go to Moscow and understand, and no one wants to deal with you.
  21. 13017
    13017 25 November 2013 11: 14
    +2
    what 30 thousand I beg you to know how to be a brother-in-law a sergeant from business trips and a salary of 22 in the best case
  22. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 25 November 2013 11: 21
    +1
    My friend went to a contract a month ago. Judging by his stories, it was like a mess. True, they form part "from scratch", we can and will settle down over time smile
  23. Kair501
    Kair501 25 November 2013 13: 09
    0
    a friend of mine has now signed a contract for Mistral to serve, They said six months in St. Petersburg they will study later, they will go to France for the ship, and then it says that the area of ​​responsibility is from Vladivostok to Tartus)))
  24. Stinger
    Stinger 25 November 2013 13: 14
    +1
    In my opinion, it became clear to everyone that for a handful of rice you can’t lure him into the army. The attempt to save on salaries and benefits after 93 quickly led to corruption and turned the army into partisan units. You have to pay no matter what Serdyukovs try to help the republic.
  25. iConst
    iConst 25 November 2013 14: 55
    0
    It's funny that the leadership is prompting the leadership to think about a "professional" army because the number of people in Russia is getting smaller and smaller. Yes, and with "democracy" they had enough - massive slopes on a "legal" basis exceeded reasonable limits.
    In addition, the latest Iraqi company has shown that modern strike weapons can grind almost any amount of "cannon fodder".

    So it turns out that the quantity that should go into quality cannot be gained.

    For the army to be battle / capable, you need:
    1. be small in number, but very technologically armed
    2. or be very numerous and at the same time "cannon fodder" (remember the first Chechen)

    Problems 1: You need to recruit elite people, and even train them: smart, physically and psychologically strong, to cover the needs for special forces, combat complex control operators (and engineers!), Crews of military vehicles, crews of ships, etc.

    Problems p. 2: It is necessary to collect a cloud of obedient executors of orders, the benefit of Kalash and RPG for ten years ahead is enough. But (see above) its not enough!

    Bah! So you can migrants!
    And what - the story is full of examples.

    The first tangle, in my opinion, is practically not solvable - read the Public Security Concept - a muddy document - with such an approach it is impossible to create an effective concept of command and control.

    Second - decide for yourself ...
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 25 November 2013 21: 32
      +1
      Quote: iConst
      2. or be very numerous and at the same time "cannon fodder" (remember the first Chechen)

      And how much were numerous those combined units that were ordered to enter Grozny in hikingand not in battle formations?
      Take an interest, this data is now very accessible.
      The army should be neither large nor small in size and armament, but sufficient. For Russia, there is one level of sufficiency (he and only he should determine the methods of manning combat units and preparing mob. Resources), for a small European country, another, quite insignificant in comparison with the Russian Federation, but for the entire NATO bloc it is the third. But in Israel, in a completely different way than in the Czech Republic - "everyone dances"!
      1. iConst
        iConst 25 November 2013 23: 05
        0
        Quote: Alekseev
        And how numerous were those combined units that were ordered to enter Grozny in marching, and not in battle formations?

        And what does it have to do with it? What, in total, there were not enough troops?

        The fact that insufficient forces moved specifically to storm Grozny is just the stupidity of fat generals.

        There could be five, ten times more. And what - would they cease to be "cannon fodder"? The same quantity that somehow (maybe) would turn into quality.

        And as for the quantity, Pulikovsky admitted gross miscalculations, for example, when the Maykop brigade jumped out to the station she had about an hour until the militants recovered. The troops stood in a convoy along the street and waited. Instead of at least taking advantageous positions and nearby houses.
        The result is known to all.

        It’s bitter and sad when the best people die. Five times - when like that. Eternal memory to these guys.
  26. sxn278619
    sxn278619 25 November 2013 18: 22
    0
    Mercenaries for the motherland will not die.
    Remember Georgian professionals.
    In peacetime, they received good money.
    As they understood that it was time to die, they so quickly dropped their weapons and move.
    I don’t know how to resolve the contradiction between the accumulation of experience and the payment for risk.
    1. iConst
      iConst 25 November 2013 23: 13
      0
      Quote: sxn278619
      I don’t know how to resolve the contradiction between the accumulation of experience and the payment for risk.

      And where does the "pay for the risk"? You yourself have just turned the military into simple mercenaries.

      If there is the concept of "Motherland", then there will be motivation. The person will feel responsible for their relatives. Without the concept of honor, nothing will come of it. And this concept is strenuously corroded, replacing it with commercialism.

      The Americans themselves have long recognized that money motivation is almost in last place in importance among other factors. She has a lot of negative points.

      Because the police in the states are not so much paid. The main thing is social and pension.
  27. uzer 13
    uzer 13 25 November 2013 18: 47
    0
    Serving as a contract is awesome!
  28. Starik63
    Starik63 25 November 2013 19: 15
    +2
    "This is a decent salary for many Russian cities, if to be, so to speak, more honest to themselves."
    Wake up people !! My son-in-law is serving in the Northern Fleet beyond the Arctic Circle with the rank of "chief ship sergeant" on a nuclear submarine. Serves the eighth year. So - taking into account the salary of 1,5; length of service; titles; allowances for special conditions of service (sea, ship maintenance, etc.); subject to at least good BP ratings; lack of penalties; living in a closed city; a contract signed for 10 years (7 left) he gets 60 pieces. And you want to say that our "generous" state will allocate that kind of money to a two-year contractor in the middle lane ?! Yes, it will go broke in 4 - 5 years !!! And forget about the mortgage - no MO with a biennial will not allow it to conclude. They will come up with an order stating that this can be done only upon concluding a third contract for a period of at least 5 years and that's it - the problem has been solved.
  29. Starik63
    Starik63 25 November 2013 19: 24
    +2
    Ballast in the troops is not needed.
    The louse doesn’t want to live in the barracks, give him an apartment from the first days of service, and in the war where will his apartments be?
    The service gives not only a military academy, the army service should prepare psychologically and physically a man - a warrior, for whom the work of military service to his country, ideally of course, is the work of a lifetime. [/ Quote]

    But for this I vote with both hands! Seen enough of "contrabass" - not a big deal. Rarely, rarely does one come across someone who understands that serving is not a job at a factory from now on. And you need to serve not for the money (although this issue is very relevant, especially for the current generation of young people), but for ... But for what, everyone decides for himself, but not for profit, that's for sure!
  30. Mr. Truth
    Mr. Truth 25 November 2013 19: 27
    +1
    The army needs health improvement, not only technical and paper, it needs health recovery. People need motivation and inspiration.
  31. Starik63
    Starik63 25 November 2013 19: 33
    +1
    "In general, before making the transition to a new scheme, you still need to have an exact plan of where and how the skills and abilities of the" new contractors "will be used, and whether they will be used for their intended purpose at all. Let's hope that such a plan will have There is a Ministry of Defense, and that its implementation will go not only on paper "

    I doubt, however, that our Defense Ministry has any serious plans at all. In the sense of thoughtful, balanced, calculated, and most importantly - not populist, but really urgently needed for the army. After all, if any, then you will have to change not only something in the troops, but also a significant part of the state apparatus and the structure of the state itself. And this, as we all understand, no one at the moment will allow, even the wisest and most independent minister!
  32. Slavs69
    Slavs69 25 November 2013 21: 08
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    Correct, if not right. Defense Ministry declares a ban on conscripts in hot spots, right? Well, the contract soldiers in the very path.
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 25 November 2013 22: 10
      +1
      - Here it can be even more trenchant ... After the second year of the contract, I began to get sick from sitting in the regiment without getting out - I went to the "combatant", they say, send nito somewhere in the fresh air, and then a little more - and I'll start to plump ... But it is impossible, they say , - there is no consent from the parents ... Yes, I myself have been a parent for five years already - but don't care ... Yes, my parents are non-citizens (then still), their permission has no legal force - it's all the same, you sit here! Like this!
    2. Volkhov
      Volkhov 25 November 2013 23: 24
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      Quote: Slavs69
      and to contract soldiers in the very way.

      Syria is waiting, and a contract soldier is cheaper than a mercenary.
  33. motorized rifle
    motorized rifle 26 November 2013 01: 16
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    Well, the pipe business, and not try conscripts to pay normally, no?
    About training, there is someone higher, recalled the commander of "Kuznetsov", but I had to go in the same compartment with the political officer of this ship, so he said that after training in the Baltic, he urgently served as a hydroacoustic operator in the Northern Fleet, he had a half year (! ) stand behind the ship and watch. Only after this period was he allowed to post! And from my own experience, I will say that training does not give anything in terms of professionalism! Under G.K. Zhukov did not have training courses, where conscripts get on the order, but there were regimental schools where the best soldiers sent by the company commanders studied and after graduating from the regimental school the newly minted sergeants (foremen) returned to their native company! Another curious point, is there a clause in the contract that in case of failure to fulfill the conditions on the part of the Ministry of Defense, the other party also has the right not to fulfill its obligations, for example, the OWNS? If not, then this is not a contract, and if there is, then it is absurd!
  34. mixal
    mixal 26 November 2013 01: 38
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    A little off topic. Died Eugene Bereznyak ,, Major Whirlwind... Bright memory!
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  36. sird64
    sird64 26 November 2013 14: 37
    +1
    Quote: edeligor
    I agree to all 200%! Selection and selection again !!! Cattle racing will not lead to anything good. The contractor (over-term) should strive to serve, pass FIZO, increase class rating on the VUS, etc. etc., in the end, should BE Proud of the military uniform!
    The beginning seems to be what will happen next .....

    It is good, but there is one BUT. Here's the schedule in our part physically from 12 to 13 but no one has canceled the task. And it turns out not always to go. And when you go, they say that they say not what tasks. I would be happy to upgrade my university. I agree to study. But the troops do not need Kama. And only when the check arrived did everyone take their heads.
  37. Engineer
    Engineer 26 November 2013 19: 10
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    I like the idea, 4 months of training to take the oath, to learn the basics, and then to contract and serve as a more / less white person, even if it’s longer, and if you signed a contract, you don’t have to look for an apartment so it’s easier to live on the barracks for rent, part of the money to the family if there is a need, either to save yourself for joys at the end of the contract, or to take an evening walk behind the fence so as not to go crazy in the territory of the unit, naturally within the limits of the rational, well, it depends of course on the person and the bosses who will accept him on a contract.
  38. Savva30
    Savva30 26 November 2013 21: 18
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    This year I attended a military training camp. Almost all of them are contractors. The only plus from the words of the officers is that this "unit" is not there at night. During the training camp, I realized that my conscripts were much more capable of fighting. These are only interested in loot. Officers (mainly headquarters) become hucksters. Some have their own business.
    I don’t know how it is in other places of our immense, but here we have it ... out of respect for normal officers and soldiers, I will not shine part ...
  39. volkodav
    volkodav April 24 2014 12: 10
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    in short, as in all branches, someone heard something, someone saw something, but there are few people who serve on the contract. No. In the ranks of modern Moscow Region, the norm is a delay in salary for two or even three months, especially for new arrivals, say not a dough is the only person alive, I would like to believe it, but when you look at the higher command, and you immediately remember that it is an honor, homeland. Yes and paradoxically, but the Motherland never forgets us, but it doesn’t even remember us. About criticism of counterattacks, I’ll answer to all very cool military experts, the contractor will never stagger around with a competent company and platoon, as the people say, the fish rots from the head, and this is a question for universities that train personnel, and it’s a pity that many of them are Serdyukov I didn’t have time to close it, because from them such incompetent officers are released, which is just scary, and if tomorrow is a war. And all the sighs and aah about the Soviet military school, it’s just dust in the eyes and pluralism, or as they say in the words of one classic, the Cuckoo praises the cock for praising the cuckoo. war in the Caucasus showed what it costs.