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China has its own "mace"

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China has its own "mace"The US-China Economic and Security Commission has prepared a report on the state and prospects of the naval component of China’s nuclear deterrent forces. According to the report, two projects of nuclear submarines are being developed in the People's Republic of China - the 095 APS submarine with missile-torpedo armament, and the 096 A / C with ballistic missiles.


By the end of 2013, the Chinese solid-propellant ballistic missile to launch from JL-2 submarines is expected to reach the level of initial combat readiness. Presumably, its range can reach 4 thousand nautical miles (7400 km). The rocket is designed to arm the submarine Ave 094. Now, the PLA Navy has three such submarines. Before 2010, two more are planned to be commissioned.

The report predicts that the strategic balance in Asia will change dramatically over the course of 5 – 10 years. Objects on the island of Guam, bases and ships of the United States and its allies throughout the entire Asia-Pacific region will be under attack by Chinese land-based missiles.

It is worth noting that the territory of Russia almost to the Urals will also be in the zone of action of Chinese ballistic missiles. At the same time, the PRC still refuses to participate in any negotiations on nuclear deterrence, and the construction of huge underground shelters in case of a nuclear war continues in the country.
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  1. Apollo
    Apollo 22 November 2013 12: 15
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    quote-It is worth noting that the territory of Russia almost to the Urals will also be in range Chinese ballistic missiles. In this case, the PRC is still refuses participate in any negotiations on nuclear deterrence, and the country's territory continues active construction huge underground shelters in case of a nuclear war.

    With China you need to keep your ear sharp. IMHO.
    1. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 22 November 2013 12: 18
      +8
      Several years ago it was infa that some of our people transmitted information to China via Bulava. The traitor was imprisoned, but the time had already been lost.
      1. KCC
        KCC 22 November 2013 18: 58
        +3
        Yes, he wasn’t ours, but he sold his homeland for a penny.
    2. APES
      APES 22 November 2013 12: 35
      17
      Quote: Apollon
      With China you need to keep your ear sharp


      add:

      WITH EVERYONE !!!
    3. Grandson of Veteran
      Grandson of Veteran 22 November 2013 12: 36
      +8
      "active construction of huge underground shelters in the event of a nuclear war continues throughout the country."
      I think this means that the Chinese leadership is confident in the possibility of a nuclear conflict. I am sure that the Russian Federation is in the first lines of the list of potential opponents. And to joke about the quality of Chinese weapons is not worth it. Above the Chinese space program, too, their stomachs were torn!
      1. Patton5
        Patton5 22 November 2013 17: 34
        0
        It seems in the leadership of the PRC, they perfectly understand the processes taking place in the world, and evaluate them accordingly. It is a pity that in our countries no system is visible in this direction!
        1. alone
          alone 22 November 2013 22: 43
          0
          Quote: Patton5
          It seems in the leadership of the PRC, they perfectly understand the processes taking place in the world, and evaluate them accordingly. It is a pity that in our countries no system is visible in this direction!


          but with each passing day more and more various Uryalkins and hat-takers who already halfway around the world threw their caps tightly around.
      2. sasha127
        sasha127 23 November 2013 07: 25
        0
        Hmm. Looks like a tiger getting ready for the jump.
    4. Interface
      Interface 22 November 2013 17: 42
      +2
      It is worth noting that the territory of Russia almost before the Urals will also be in the zone of operation of Chinese ballistic missiles. At the same time, the PRC still refuses to participate in any negotiations on nuclear deterrence, and the country's active construction of huge underground shelters continues in case of a nuclear war.


      What's the problem? The Chinese are going to live there in case of victory over us, will they still work with rockets there? Rave...
      As for that cattle-traitor, he didn’t convey full information about the Mace, only there as for the guidance system or something like that ... But the fact itself ...
      Shooting is an effective measure against espionage.
  2. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 22 November 2013 12: 16
    +3
    Well, China will have nuclear submarines with missiles so what next ?! We have nothing to answer.
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 22 November 2013 12: 21
      +1
      What is falling too? laughing
    2. Ivan Petrovich
      Ivan Petrovich 22 November 2013 13: 52
      +1
      there is something to answer, but we have people from theirs 8%
      1. mountain
        mountain 23 November 2013 10: 03
        0
        This is precisely our advantage. The crowding of the Chinese and the huge population is not good in modern warfare. With just one hit, there will be so many victims and such a house will rise, worse than in the states it will be from the destruction of the twins. And our though small population and crowding we have only in one place, and the rest of the population in an even layer throughout the vast country. Draw conclusions.
    3. waisson
      waisson 22 November 2013 14: 13
      +1
      they have an army we have one name
      1. waisson
        waisson 22 November 2013 16: 04
        0
        WHAT IS THERE IS REMAINED BY THE Airborne Forces-Special Forces -VVF-Navy-PV-and the rest of the sissies are mostly uncounted
      2. Cherdak
        Cherdak 22 November 2013 18: 52
        0
        Quote: waisson
        they have an army we have one name


        You shouldn’t be so. Take a closer look at the commercial and be very surprised at what you see. And this Juilan-2 is still that suitcase without a handle
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 22 November 2013 19: 50
          +2
          You looked at a collection of large-scale (1: 1 scale) operating models of weapons of the USSR, Russia, the USA, Great Britain and other countries.
  3. Stiletto
    Stiletto 22 November 2013 12: 23
    +6
    China has its own "Bulava". Its own in the sense that it does not fly ?! So we had to wait until we bring it to mind, and then only copy it. Damn, irrepressible and impatient ...
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    2. alexng
      alexng 22 November 2013 12: 39
      +9
      By the way, to the information for alarmists about the Bulava. The commission found out the reason for the last failure when launching the Bulava missile - a defective part at one of the stages from the manufacturer, and from this batch similar defective parts were found and replaced with 3 more ones already in service.
      So with Mace, not everything is as bad as the spiteful would like. hi
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 22 November 2013 19: 52
        +1
        Quote: alexneg
        So with Mace, not everything is as bad as the spiteful would like.

        I would not want to be known as a spiteful but still, so far this is only a rocket for full-scale tests.
        It has already been adopted, and two boats are waiting, there is nothing to put.
        When the Mace (as in Soviet times) makes 5 successful launches from under the water and the sixth tandem, then we’ll talk about a new rocket!
    3. Onyx
      Onyx 22 November 2013 12: 55
      +9
      The chief designer of the Rubin Central Design Bureau S. Sukhanov (creator of the Borey nuclear submarine): "There have never been any failures with the Bulava. The missiles also have their own creation cycle. Before a serial missile gets on a ship, it goes through a test cycle, including flight tests. In Soviet times, the Navy had a naval stand in Balaklava, and all those missiles that are on nuclear-powered ships of the third generation were tested on it. They fell there, something happened to them too. no, it was decided to use the Dmitry Donskoy missile carrier for testing, the experienced Bulava underwent flight tests on it.It fell, there was a resonance in the press, but few people know that its ratio in favor of successful launches is much better than that of missiles of previous generations, that is, flight tests, it, in fact, passed "with a bang."
      1. Stiletto
        Stiletto 22 November 2013 14: 08
        0
        The commission found out the reason for the last failure when launching the Bulava missile - a defective part at one of the stages from the manufacturer, and from this batch similar defective parts were found and replaced with 3 more ones already in service.

        - And you do not mind that they ALREADY were in service?
        - And what, after that, successful trials have already been carried out?

        Quote: Onyx
        Chief Designer of the Rubin Central Design Bureau S. Sukhanov (creator of the Borey nuclear submarine): “There have never been any failures with the Bulava.


        - Come on? He probably means that she fell successfully? Or am I not catching up, and there was no percentage of 50 / 50, that is, HZ, it will fly - it will not fly?
        Would Comrade Sukhanov agree to fly on a plane with the probability that he would fly alive in 50%?

        Let's take a sober view of things. I am also no stranger to patriotism, but not so "hurray-hap-handed".
        1. Onyx
          Onyx 22 November 2013 16: 08
          +4
          When Sukhanov spoke about "failures with Bulava", naturally he meant failures of a design nature. That is, talking about the weak competence of MIT in the creation of SLBMs. But the defect of parts on missiles is not a design fault, but a production fault. What has constructors got to do with it?
          1. Stiletto
            Stiletto 22 November 2013 16: 11
            -3
            Quote: Onyx
            And where are the designers?


            - Yes, nothing, as usual ... There is just a good proverb: "Don't shout" Gop "until you jump over the moat." And we like to do it very much. And it's not the point who is to blame. It's just that the rocket is raw. I have no doubt that it will be brought to mind: without options, the benefit for it is already built and the carriers. hi
            1. Onyx
              Onyx 22 November 2013 16: 54
              0
              Quote: Stiletto
              - Yes, nothing, as usual ... There is just a good proverb: "Don't shout" Gop "until you jump over the moat." And we like to do it very much. And it's not the point who is to blame. It's just that the rocket is raw. I have no doubt that it will be brought to mind: without options, the benefit for it is already built and the carriers. hi

              Well, that's great drinks
  4. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 22 November 2013 12: 26
    +8
    The time has come when negotiations between Russia and the United States on the limitation of strategic arms need to be conducted taking into account the Chinese nuclear potential. Enough to constantly reduce your level of nuclear weapons. It is also necessary to take into account the nuclear weapons of NATO (England, France). All of these nuclear weapons could potentially be directed against Russia.
  5. Muadipus
    Muadipus 22 November 2013 12: 33
    +3
    and the country continues to actively build huge underground shelters in the event of a nuclear war.
    This is already alarming. The main thing is to play ahead of time and in time to transfer Chinese attention and concentrate on America. And you need to strengthen your border.
  6. major071
    major071 22 November 2013 12: 42
    10
    Until 2010, it is planned to put into operation two more.

    I do not understand, this is an article of what year, or a black spot? hi
    1. Rebus
      Rebus 22 November 2013 14: 10
      +1
      Quote: major071
      Until 2010, it is planned to put into operation two more.

      I do not understand, this is an article of what year, or a black spot? hi


      This is probably the sinister Chinese "time machine" in action ... wassat laughing
  7. Volodya Sibiryak
    Volodya Sibiryak 22 November 2013 12: 47
    +2
    China openly, demonstratively, is preparing for war. The question is, with whom and when?
    1. Onyx
      Onyx 22 November 2013 12: 58
      +1
      Quote: Volodya Sibiryak
      China openly, demonstratively, is preparing for war. The question is, with whom and when?

      Want peace, you will also prepare for war. Russia is also rearming, and what does that mean we are going to attack someone?
      1. Guun
        Guun 22 November 2013 13: 05
        +3
        As long as there is the United States and the West, you must always be ready for war.
      2. Committee
        Committee 22 November 2013 13: 19
        +1
        May not attack, but be able to respond adequately.
        1. Onyx
          Onyx 22 November 2013 13: 33
          +1
          Quote: Committee
          May not attack, but be able to respond adequately.

          So what am I talking about?
  8. propolsky
    propolsky 22 November 2013 12: 47
    +2
    Be vigilant, bad ideas always live in our heads!
  9. shtanko.49
    shtanko.49 22 November 2013 12: 51
    +2
    Quote: Ivanovich47
    The time has come when negotiations between Russia and the United States on the limitation of strategic arms need to be conducted taking into account the Chinese nuclear potential. Enough to constantly reduce your level of nuclear weapons. It is also necessary to take into account the nuclear weapons of NATO (England, France). All of these nuclear weapons could potentially be directed against Russia.

    Quite right, one should take into account the total potential of the nuclear powers, and not rely on "maybe". And live your mind.
  10. avg
    avg 22 November 2013 13: 13
    0
    At the same time, the PRC still refuses to participate in any negotiations on nuclear deterrence, and the country's active construction of huge underground shelters continues in case of a nuclear war.

    Probably the United States and Israel do not know about it, otherwise they would have bombed their neighbors for a long time. request
  11. patriot2
    patriot2 22 November 2013 13: 14
    +2
    Quote: Apollon
    It is worth noting that the territory of Russia almost before the Urals will also be in the zone of operation of Chinese ballistic missiles. At the same time, the PRC still refuses to participate in any negotiations on nuclear deterrence, and the country's active construction of huge underground shelters continues in case of a nuclear war

    That's right, but who said that only to the Urals, and if the start is from the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic, then all of Europe is under the gun. Well, as for the nuclear shelters, they are also being built in Europe, we should build like that.
  12. patriot2
    patriot2 22 November 2013 13: 14
    +1
    Quote: Apollon
    It is worth noting that the territory of Russia almost before the Urals will also be in the zone of operation of Chinese ballistic missiles. At the same time, the PRC still refuses to participate in any negotiations on nuclear deterrence, and the country's active construction of huge underground shelters continues in case of a nuclear war

    That's right, but who said that only to the Urals, and if the start is from the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic, then all of Europe is under the gun. Well, as for the nuclear shelters, they are also being built in Europe, we should build like that.
  13. Samminosh
    Samminosh 22 November 2013 13: 17
    +1
    If half of humanity perishes during the war, it does not matter. It’s not scary if a third remains ... If a nuclear war really breaks out, it’s not so bad, as a result, capitalism will die, only socialism will be around the world and eternal peace will reign on earth. And in half a century or a century, the population will grow again, even more than half ...

    Mao Zedong
  14. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 22 November 2013 13: 20
    +2
    We will soon have nothing to shoot either, weapons-grade uranium from Russia leaves the amers with wagons. Sell ​​us offal. http://m-kalashnikov.livejournal.com/1648413.html
    So the day is not far off when we find ourselves without a deterrent weapon. And we can’t even dream about bunkers, not with this power. Underground shelters are called to save, but the authorities are not interested in this.
    1. july
      july 22 November 2013 15: 04
      0
      What bunkers! If they build bunkers now, they will collapse in a week. If in the country "freeze" all construction and financing for at least a week, then how much dough will not be sawn! They will die of hunger upstairs! laughing
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  16. Shoma-1970
    Shoma-1970 22 November 2013 13: 46
    -1
    all up to a couple until punk time, you can’t trust anyone!
  17. patriot2
    patriot2 22 November 2013 13: 47
    0
    Quote: Shoma-1970
    No one can be trusted, for the time being all friends
    Quote: APES
    Quote: Apollon
    With China you need to keep your ear sharp


    add:
    WITH EVERYONE !!!

    Well, just like in childhood: AGAINST WHO WILL BE FRIENDLY ...?
  18. askort154
    askort154 22 November 2013 13: 54
    0
    Quote from the article "... Until 2010, it is planned to put into operation two more .."

    Question, when is this epic written?
  19. arb0905
    arb0905 22 November 2013 13: 59
    +3
    Russia does not have permanent friends, Russia should have permanent interests and three allies - the army, navy, aviation
    1. Onyx
      Onyx 22 November 2013 14: 05
      +1
      Quote: arb0905
      Russia does not have permanent friends, Russia should have permanent interests and three allies - the army, navy, aviation

      What about the Strategic Missile Forces? And the aerospace defense troops? And the airborne forces? What, forgot?
      They are also our allies. Do not forget about them.
  20. itr
    itr 22 November 2013 14: 17
    0
    I hope they tore their rocket from the mace))))))
    1. Onyx
      Onyx 22 November 2013 16: 11
      +3
      Quote: itr
      I hope they tore their rocket from the mace))))))

      But in vain, the Mace is a very progressive rocket.
  21. pamero
    pamero 22 November 2013 17: 15
    +1
    He knows what China wants and knows what territory! 5 of thousands of years ago it was tamed by the story before Christ. creation of the world in a star temple and now they will wait. Oh children get to fight, God would have given them victory and abundant offspring.
  22. poquello
    poquello 22 November 2013 19: 07
    +2
    And who posted such antiquity here? China circuit type 096 SSBNs with 24 JL-3 SLBMs

    CHARACTERISTICS

    Displacement, t 16000 - 20000
    Length, m 150
    Width, m 20
    Type double case
    Main power plant: nuclear, two water-cooled reactors and two steam generating plants
    Speed, knots:
    - underwater up to 32
    Depth of immersion, m:
    - limit 600

    ARMAMENT

    Missile: 20 or 24 SLBM type JL-2 (JL-3)
    Torpedo 533 mm TA

    http://bastion-karpenko.ru/096-tang/
  23. Sharp
    Sharp 22 November 2013 20: 13
    +1
    When I served in the KDVO, the border with China was locked. The fortified areas, the mass of troops, I have not seen more than one Chinese in our territory. Now the opposite is true. There are no fortified areas, there are no masses of troops, but a bunch of whalers creeps along our land. In case of war, the ideal fifth column. If we do not strengthen the army, then we will definitely lose the Far East and Siberia in the event of a war.
  24. aepocmam
    aepocmam 22 November 2013 20: 23
    +1
    If we clash with the Chinese, the Americans will win; if we clash with the Americans, the Chinese will win; if the Chinese clash with the Americans, we will win. Hence the conclusion: to win, you need to try to stay away; or all three of them will clash together at the same time; at least, although we will not win, our potential adversaries will not become winners either, which will be fair and not so offensive.
  25. rudolff
    rudolff 22 November 2013 20: 33
    +3
    I’m afraid that if the Americans clash with the Chinese, our Ussuri tiger will be two-headed, and the Siberian mosquitoes will be saber-toothed! The mutation, however! good
  26. voliador
    voliador 22 November 2013 21: 13
    0
    The Chinese rod like a Nazhen. They will save, in case of war, a couple of millions in shelters - and then they will already be fruitful and multiply.
  27. dimon-media
    dimon-media 22 November 2013 21: 29
    0
    Until 2010, it is planned to put into operation two more.
    What year is today?
    It is worth noting that the territory of Russia almost before the Urals will also be in the zone of operation of Chinese ballistic missiles.
    The radius of defeat given by the author is nothing at all. A nuclear submarine is still a mobile system and can launch from anywhere. I would understand the author if he would give an example and describe the radius of destruction of a stationary-based ballistic missile. For example, an irreplaceable mine. And for the nuclear submarines, the Urals, the Caucasus and the Carpathians .. all one .. 7400 km. it's a lot. You can approach from anywhere in the mainland in neutral waters and launch. This is more than enough.
  28. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 22 November 2013 22: 36
    +1
    By the end of the 2013 of the year, it is expected that the Chinese solid-fuel ballistic missile to launch from submarines JL-2 can reach the level of initial combat readiness.

    According to a 2006 US naval intelligence report, the PRC's navy needs five submarines of the "094" Jin submarine to ensure that one of them is always in full readiness to launch ballistic missiles.
    Externally, SSBN t. "094" Jin is in many ways similar to the attacking submarine type "093" Shan, which suggests a similar hull design for both projects.
    Submarines 094 Jin have not yet reached the level of Russian and Western missile submarines, especially in terms of noiselessness and the number of missiles, but they represent a big step forward compared to the first generation 092 Xia SSBNs.
    Submarine t. "094 Jin" is capable of carrying 12 JuLang-2 ballistic missiles. The three-stage solid-propellant SLBM "JL-2" (NATO code "SS-N-9") is a missile, unified in elements with a land-based mobile ICBM of the "DF-31" type, with Dstr. = 8-10 thousand km, and can carry from one MHC with a capacity of 1,0 Mt to three MHCs with a capacity of 90 kt. The estimated launch weight is more than 20 tons. In the open literature, there are practically no descriptions of the JL-2 SLBM.
    In July 2004, China launched the JL-2 SLBM. The Chinese media reported that the JL-2's firing range was about 13 km. There was no mention of combat equipment and throw weight. http://lemur59.ru/node/8686
  29. Power
    Power 23 November 2013 03: 45
    0
    The fifth column is in a hurry to close a project called - Russia. Dry the oars, stock up with stew and ammo. The enemy is inside, with China here.