Democracy is not the best defense against criminals. Afterword to the "Tsapkov case"

Yesterday, members of the Tsapkov gang, who terrorized a whole area of ​​Kuban for several years thanks to links with the local democratically elected government, received life sentences. The question of how to avoid the recurrence of such "bandit monopolies" remains.

The market economic model itself is monopolized in all its aspects, including political power. To avoid this monopolization, a myriad of means have been developed at different times. But the fact that a lot of them are developed proves: all these tools are ineffective.

That is why criminal communities, such as Kuschevsky, which control entire areas, are, in my opinion, one of many practically inevitable consequences of the dominance of the invisible hand of the market.

Of course, in Soviet times there were enough powerless people in power. But then the means of dealing with them were worked out much better, since such chaos contradicted the very concept of power acting in the interests of its citizens.

Now, even at the level of democratic rhetoric, the authorities are obliged to act not in the interests of citizens in general, but only in the interests of citizens who are clearly formulated by these citizens themselves in the process of election campaign and clearly won this fight. Therefore, the protection of the interests of citizens now — within the framework of democratic rhetoric — is obviously less effective than within the framework of the Soviet government, which has undertaken to investigate and protect the interests of citizens, even in those cases when citizens themselves cannot formulate them.

In particular, the criminals in Kushchevskaya were not identified on time and stopped formally just because the citizens themselves did not express the corresponding desires. I believe that before the revival - in one form or another - the Soviet government is difficult to even articulate what tasks the authorities are facing in terms of protecting its citizens.

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[Same lech]

There was a merger of the criminal group with the local authorities, hence the long life of the TsAPKOV gang.
In the photo, the head of the district with the local lads.
Until the feds intervened, their outrage would have continued for a long time.

[vladimirZ]

"Kushchevka" in Russia is not a single one! Bandits and thieves in Russia rule everywhere.
Examples of the sea: the governor of Magadan, killed because of the redistribution of sea resources, the arrested mayor of Astrakhan, who crushed the former mayor of Moscow, Luzhkov, under the capital, and so on.
The reason, as Anatoly Wasserman correctly noted, is the "democracy" of capitalism.
To really get away from this phenomenon, it is necessary to return to Soviet power.
It is necessary to restore the institution of legislative and executive bodies of power in the person of the Soviets of rural, urban, regional (territorial, republican) workers' deputies. To restore the people's courts with the obligatory participation of people's assessors in order to prevent the decision of one judge, rendered "according to his inner conviction."

[goldfinger]

Quote: vladimirZ

"Kushchevka" in Russia is not a single one! Bandits and thieves in Russia rule everywhere.

Neighbor Belarus. Why so! Relatives from the Moscow Region, when they arrive, almost cry, why, they say, you can walk quietly all night without thinking about any dangers, the children go to school alone, etc. Do not think there is crime! But she is kept in hedgehogs. the call outfit didn’t arrive in less than five minutes - planer! Try to negotiate with our gay - it will not seem a little, they will sew a bribe (they are encouraged). Disclosure figures are some of the best in the world!
“The number of crimes is decreasing in Belarus. Moreover, this is a tendency of recent years.
The number of thefts and murders in three years has fallen by more than a third. Half-robberies. Crime detection improved. Today it is 60%. And it’s especially serious - almost 100%, the correspondent of the TV channel Stolichnoe Television reports.
Grigory Vasilevich, Attorney General of the Republic of Belarus:
Of course, especially grave crimes are always in the field of vision of law enforcement agencies and the prosecutor's office. We are analyzing the state of affairs in this area and strive to ensure that crimes of this kind are solved. "" Among developed countries, a higher percentage is only in Japan, "noted Grigory Vasilevich. "However, we are not resting on our laurels, we are not satisfied with this figure and are striving to increase it."
Have you really rotted all the power structures? I read that for one policeman you have one detention a year! Go crazy! And yet, supposedly, migrants interfere with them!
It's great that the "last dictator of Europe", our Ryhoravich, did not abolish the death penalty, so as not to pseudo-defenders of "human rights"!

[TSOOBER]

fully subscribe ! When the pedophile was caught, the police did not sleep for two days but were caught, a matter of honor! Envy in silence

[SHOCK.]

I envy. They have a "dad" !!!!

[randomizer]

Lukashenko in the presidency of Russia!

[timer]

I read many comments, and I completely agree with them, because this is true!
The merging of crime with organs took place during the years of American shitcracy, which was so praised by liberals of all stripes, starting with the drunk Yeltsin, Gaidar, etc. and so on. be proud of your country! And the case of the hoes is like a painful phantom of a rotten system. How long will comrades of the forum endure this lawlessness? How many of us will be humiliated, robbed, deceived, spit in our faces? , I propose to get to know those who wrote here and agree with my comment through correspondence. My mailbox ([email protected]).

[Grandson of Veteran]

"the criminals in Kushchevskaya were not identified in time and formally suppressed precisely because the citizens themselves did not express the corresponding desires"
Bullshit! The citizens were silent, because they reliably KNEW about Tsapkov's close ties with the police and officials. If these creatures did not cut out the whole family at once, they would continue to "frolic" to this day. I am not speaking unfounded. Himself Krasnodar, in Kushchevka there are relatives and friends.

[alone]

the criminals in Kushchevskaya were not identified in time and formally suppressed precisely because the citizens themselves did not express the corresponding desires "

and what ordinary citizens had to do. let's consider the possibility of an experiment. Five people decide to create a criminal gang and begin to terrorize a certain city. 100% if they do not have a corresponding roof and patrons from the Ministry of Internal Affairs, then all their activities will be covered in exactly 24 hours. All five will be handcuffed in a local pre-trial detention center.
and if these 5 have patrons in the Ministry of Internal Affairs and a corresponding roof, then the citizens who "did not express the corresponding desires" are to blame.

[timer]

I read many comments, and I completely agree with them, because this is true!
The merging of crime with the authorities does not happen - it has already happened over the years of American shitcracy, which was so praised by liberals of all stripes, starting with the drunk Yeltsin, Gaidar, etc. and so on. be proud of your country! And the case of the hoes is like a painful phantom of a rotten system. How long will comrades of the forum endure this lawlessness? How many of us will be humiliated, robbed, deceived, spit in our faces? , I propose to get to know those who wrote here and agree with my comment through correspondence. My mailbox ([email protected]).

[787nkx]

When PAN is bad,
When the HAM-pan is even worse.
(folklore)

[Yuri Y.]

Democracy is not the best defense against criminals.

Moreover, if we have a criminal in power, then our democracy is his defense.

[Ingvar 72]

The market economic model in itself tends to monopolize in all its aspects, including political power

Wasserman is handsome. This is the answer to those who believe that the state should not interfere in market relations. This is precisely what the liberals are seeking.

[Pharao7766]

utopia invented by the crazy Greeks, in addition to the slave owners ...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Pharao7766

utopia invented by the crazy Greeks

It was the Greeks who later recognized its failure.

[mark021105]

Quote: Pharao7766

in addition, and slaveholders ...

In addition, even lovers of homosexuals ...

[makarov]

1. The author should sort through the word DEMOCRACY. In principle, this is the democracy of free citizens. In ancient times, this implied HAVING SLAVES.
2. Today, people have been blown into the ears that everyone immediately became democrats. Is this really so? Do all have enterprises with workers?
3.Case with the Hats, this is a single example of holding a gang accountable. The gang of killers was attracted, but how the punishment of the officials of their roofers at different levels (?) Has passed - the investigation is silent. They threw a bone to the people, see how we are for you.
4. What happened in Kushchevskaya — the merging of crime and government authorities, takes place throughout the Russian Federation. Somewhere softer, somewhere tougher, but ... it happens everywhere.

[timer]

I read many comments, and I completely agree with them, because this is true!
The merging of crime with the authorities does not happen - it has already happened over the years of American shitcracy, which was so praised by liberals of all stripes, starting with the drunk Yeltsin, Gaidar, etc. and so on. be proud of your country! And the case of the hoes is like a painful phantom of a rotten system. How long will comrades of the forum endure this lawlessness? How many of us will be humiliated, robbed, deceived, spit in our faces? , I propose to get to know those who wrote here and agree with my comment through correspondence. My mailbox ([email protected]).

[Gardamir]

So the time of the big cap is over. Then the authorities have one task, to divide in small pieces. Either his man in the army shared everything, then the RAS was divided.

[predator.3]

In particular, the criminals in Kushchevskaya were not identified in time and suppressed formally, precisely because the citizens themselves did not express the corresponding desires.

Once the frames of the meeting between the governor Tkachenko and the residents of Kushchevka flashed through the box, so one woman asked head-on, we wrote to you about the lawlessness in Kushchevka, asked for help, why were you inactive? And what, Tkachenko mumbled something and lowered his eyes like a virgin!

[George]

Hello all.
The lawlessness of power is manifested in many places. Just at the moment the trackmen arrived from Moscow, a corpse of a guy with a broken head was discovered in our village in a field. The father went to the police, but there he was told that they say you still have a daughter, think about her. He was blown away.

In particular, the criminals in Kushchevskaya were not identified in time and suppressed formally, precisely because the citizens themselves did not express the corresponding desires.

Yes, we relaxed. The Soviet authorities accustomed people to hope for protection and salvation, that’s the result.

[Ustas]

Quote: GEORGE

The Soviet government accustomed people to hope for protection and salvation, that’s the result.

"The workers, soldiers and peasants must take power into their own hands" V. I. Lenin (there really was the word Bolsheviks under the workers, but today there is no such party, a party of workers and peasants)

[George]

In my opinion, you confuse the formation of the Soviet regime with all the problems arising from here on the elimination of gangs and individual elements with an established, established order in all areas of the system, with a strong system of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, a set of working laws (a hint to our thought - laws will be born like rabbits, but no workers ), and most importantly with a well-built system of inevitability of punishment.
If in the Union a fine was imposed for a thrown cigarette butt, and one could go after shaving with a cologne with revenge on a broomstick for a broom of a street of about fifteen days, then the matter did not even reach terrorism.

[Galinanp]

predator.3 SU Today, 08:27 AM
In particular, the criminals in Kushchevskaya were not identified in time and suppressed formally, precisely because the citizens themselves did not express the corresponding desires.
Once the frames of the meeting between the governor Tkachenko and the residents of Kushchevka flashed through the box, so one woman asked head-on, we wrote to you about the lawlessness in Kushchevka, asked for help, why were you inactive? And what, Tkachenko mumbled something and lowered his eyes like a virgin!
I completely agree with you, from the very beginning of these events it was clear that Tkachenko with his people controlling absolutely the entire Kuban was playing a fool, portraying that this was unpleasant news for him. Guilt along with criminals lies with local authorities.

[kaktus]

So, arm yourself? And this will lead to what - there was just not enough civil war!

[George]

Quote: kaktus

So, arm yourself? And this will lead to what - there was just not enough civil war!

I personally do not hope for today's power, so I already.
They do exactly what we allow ourselves to do with us - think about it.

[kartalovkolya]

Let me disagree with you, there can be no talk of any civil war! These are liberals and other champions of the so-called. "democracies" pull this "bagpipe" out of fear of responsibility for what they have done, and the elimination of criminals (even those in power) will not lead to any civil war! For this reason, they do everything so that only criminals are armed, and ordinary citizens are generally deprived of the right Comrade Wasserman is right, as always, briefly and understandably, even for "especially gifted". But if the authorities do not heed and the people's patience is overflowing, then you will not envy these "rulers"!

[Ustas]

Quote: kartalovkolya

the people's patience will overflow, then you will not envy these "rulers"!

This will not happen soon. Because: the time has not yet come,
- when "the upper classes cannot, but the lower classes do not want",
- when the oppressed "have nothing to lose but their chains."
We have all become individualists and are afraid to lose even our chain.

[Current 72]

Well, it’s well said: WE ARE AFRAID OF LOSING OUR CHAIN! And here is just in place, the saying goes: OUR SHIRT IS CLOSER TO THE BODY! MY HUT FROM THE EDGE!

[AVV]

Cops should serve in one place for no more than 5 years, so that there wouldn’t be merging with gangsters and the administration of settlements !!! After all, Tsapkov’s relatives were the ones who led the police, and that’s the result !!!

[George]

Quote: AVV

Cops should serve in one place for no more than 5 years, so that there wouldn’t be merging with gangsters and the administration of settlements !!! After all, Tsapkov’s relatives were the ones who led the police, and that’s the result !!!

Unfortunately, they converge faster. And who, by and large, will make a fuss if any prosecutor sits in the old place for another term.
Cops in this case are generally an unsightly picture.
It seems they close their eyes to everything, but they made a fuss and, having sharpened their sharpened fangs, they rush to tear bandyuganov.
They are all the more unattractive to me because I dreamed of becoming an opera, I see what jackals serve. They are not even wolves - werewolves, but jackals.

[sasska]

oh come on ... in Moldova, Estonia, Latvia very liberal weapons laws have been adopted and - nothing bad happened.
weapons (except automatic) can be bought freely, after passing the exam on knowledge of the laws and shooting at the shooting range. even SCS, even Benelli, even Desert Eagle. and this does not cause a deterioration in the criminal situation.
but the amer's "GunFree Zone" very often become places of bloody incidents precisely because criminals are not inherent in law-abidingness, and ordinary inhabitants in these places are deprived of the right to defense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go-_qAkcTcA

[Lesnik]

Quote: kaktus

So, arm yourself? And this will lead to what - there was just not enough civil war!

Question - WHAT TO DO? total chaos, and the war is already underway if you have not noticed, against NORMAL PEOPLE !!!!!!

[asadov]

Yes, I see this situation every day myself everywhere. It is not regrettable, but it can lead to the fact that people will get tired of it and lynching will begin.

[demotivator]

Wasserman writes: “Now, even at the level of democratic rhetoric, the authorities are obliged to act not in the interests of citizens in general, but only in those interests of citizens who are clearly formulated by these citizens in the process of the election campaign and have clearly won this fight. Therefore, protecting the interests of citizens now - within the framework of democratic rhetoric, it is obviously less effective than within the framework of the Soviet regime, which undertook the obligation to investigate and protect the interests of citizens even in cases when the citizens themselves cannot formulate them. "
Long thought about what the author wanted to say with this zaum? The fact that the Soviet government, with all its shortcomings, served the entire people of the country, and the current one - only for themselves and capital, is already understandable without this idiotic philosophizing. That the Soviet police guarded the peace of citizens and fought with criminals, and the current police fused with bandits and criminal migrants who have come (well, wherever you get from this Russian word) from neighboring countries, it becomes criminal itself, this is also understandable. Otherwise, where would the same Tsapoks, Biryulyovo, underground gambling business in the Moscow Region and other negatives come from.

[Ustas]

Quote: demotivator

Long thought about what the author wanted to say with this zaum?

Everything is simple here, if citizens write a statement to the police about bad hats (with a small letter as a description of the phenomenon), then the police will (of course, it is doubtful in the current rampant corruption) react and open a criminal case, if the citizen does not go to the police, then the police will simply closes his eyes to the chaos lawlessness.
Under Soviet power, the police were obliged to respond and repulse such bandits, even if citizens did not contact the police with a statement.

[vlad.svargin]

In a democracy:
citizens stop reading laws, both written and unwritten,
· Consumerism is prevalent everywhere,
· Extreme alienation from each other, selfishness;
· All this ends with the fact that extreme freedom turns into extreme slavery;
· The arbitrariness of the crowd goes into the arbitrariness of one,
· Democracy turns into its dialectical opposite - tyranny
("On Democracy" by Plato)

In particular, the criminals in Kushchevskaya were not identified on time and stopped formally just because the citizens themselves did not express the corresponding desires. I believe that before the revival - in one form or another - the Soviet government is difficult to even articulate what tasks the authorities are facing in terms of protecting its citizens.

Local law enforcement agencies were aware of the events in Kushchevka and they themselves participated not only indirectly supporting the "agricultural association" of the Tsapkov family, they received "financial bonuses" from them. Only when the events got out of Tsapkov's control did the federal authorities take over.

[Ivanovich47]

Power lives its own life, and the people live theirs. In such an environment, Tsapki are born. The terror of the gang against the population was not "noticed" by representatives of the local authorities. "The people were left to fend for themselves!" It’s scary to live in such a country.

[smel]

In particular, the criminals in Kushchevskaya were not identified in time and suppressed formally, precisely because the citizens themselves did not express the corresponding desires.
Interesting Jew thinks thinks. So residents did not express a desire or were they afraid of bandits and did not hope for power?

[Strashila]

"that the citizens themselves did not express their respective desires." ... they expressed their expression ... but whoever listened to them ... none of their roofs, not from the authorities, not from the power structures, sat on the dock ... left bloody money and sent only to retire in the worst case, and so they continue to work there.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

I believe that before the revival - in one form or another - of the Soviet government, it is difficult to even clearly articulate what tasks the government faces in terms of protecting its citizens.
Well, Wasserman, well, a swindler .. He again wanted the Soviet power.? Here peasants can minus argue. I do not believe such shifters! Wassermans again everywhere on TV in the media and even here on the forum again teach us life ... And we again believe them? (again sweet songs are singing in your ears .. you look him in the eye, he laughs at us ..) I’m not anti-Semite, I feel like a soul and I'm proud of how cunning and smart he is .. How famously repainted .. We usually have true patriots they just ignore and trample on such people (who know how to tinker with the soul of a Russian person) It’s not casual, all this .. (I feel at the genetic level) there will be a lot of blood spilled when such people begin to teach us lives (no offense .. this is my personal opinion)!

[knn54]

Democracy and socialism are not mutually exclusive concepts.
There is democracy and socialist - they built free housing and there was free education and medicine, and there is liberal democracy - they buy yachts and foreign football clubs where individual rights are above the interests of society. Who are the current democrats? This is the former party nomenclature, their children and grandchildren - the so-called elite, untouchables. Who will exercise the Soviet power?
In Soviet times, the law worked, and population protection was guaranteed. Now, everything is for sale and everything is bought. And who has a lot of money, he rules the ball, ONE law-law of the jungle works.
Kushchevskaya is a village. Where there are old traditions, including the Cossack circle. And where were all these "Cossacks" when it was necessary to protect people - and themselves, from gangster lawlessness?
The people were finally cornered, and it remains to fight to the death or be eaten. When justice does not work, lynching begins.

[Yarosvet]

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[creak]

[quote = knn54]
Kushchevskaya is a village. Where there are old traditions, including the Cossack circle. And where were all these "Cossacks" when it was necessary to protect people - and themselves, from gangster lawlessness?

That's it! Where were these so-called Cossacks who love to show off on television so much, wear incomprehensible rewards, assign ranks to each other ... What for 12 years they couldn’t bring to life the shabby shtetl shtup, which turned into a beast because of impunity ... Tired of these mummers, who turned out to be no better than a corrupt militia (police.

[sasska]

Where there are old traditions, including the Cossack circle.

Do you really believe in these buffoons ??

[Ivan Sirko]

The task of the state with respect to capital is quite simple and clear: the state should only take care that capital remains a servant of the state and does not imagine itself to be the master of the nation.
Most can never replace one. Most are not only always representatives of stupidity, but also representatives of cowardice. Gather a hundred fools together and you will never get smart. Gather a hundred cowards together and you won’t get a heroic decision.

[dnh1970]

Solve your problems yourself! Wasserman jokes ....

[Grbear]

Lord comrades.
Let's deal with the concepts.
State - socio-political education with a certain historical experience, goals and resources. Industrial relations within the state determine the level of its development.
Market and market relations - a tool for regulating industrial relations. And nothing more.

The state, which put the instrument at the forefront, becomes its hostage. So socialism has regulated the economy, and capitalism destroys everything that prevents the strong from enriching. Mutants with "faces" don't count.

In our case, the State will regulate corruption, hacking, monopoly of certain groups, etc. to the level "acceptable loss" - below the point of social explosion, because it is based on the principle "Get rich", and on the mind "regardless of ..." And the name of the rhetoric does not matter - it always serves the State, the idea of ​​which is the MARKET.

There is only one way out - the Constitution, which will establish the priority and primacy of the interests of the majority and fix an ACCESSIBLE implementation tool (impeachment, referendum, etc.) And then - choose those who will represent these interests in the Government. And don't whine .

[Yarosvet]

Quote: GrBear

There is only one solution - the Constitution, which will establish the priority and primacy of the interests of the majority

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: GrBear

There is only one way out - the Constitution, which will establish the priority and primacy of the interests of the majority and fix an ACCESSIBLE implementation tool (impeachment, referendum, etc.) And then - choose those who will represent these interests in the Government. And don't whine

In Russia, it’s respected it never worked .. We tried to apply your Western principles in the 90s .. We robbed us and nearly blew Russia .. So you go to the hut .. to catch butterflies! .. Such clever men and theorists the darkness has divorced on the net .. And it’s just not for anyone to work .. All your managers are m ..

[zasxdcfvv]

or maybe it’s not so simple with Tsapki. Chernozemye, the Russian region, put together a good agricultural firm. We got a prosperous Russian enclave. Maybe they didn’t want to sell, they came up with another way of weaning. Even the series was muddied before the sentence, poor ruined children, snot, drooling. There are many examples. The Urals, Khabarov-just made the slogan that the Khachis will not pass, accidentally died in prison.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Everything can be .... (if Wasserman writes about this ..)) think analyze ..

[FormerMariman]

Democracy is non-democracy, capitalism is non-capitalism! Wasserman brine, if they killed one Mamedov (or whatever) and not the whole family of 12 people, no one would know and lawlessness would continue. Classical classical corruption in the region: everyone knew the cops, stupidly did not accept applications from victims, and if they did, they simply suspended them for non-disclosure!

[Stalnov I.P.]

The reverse is a half-hearted decision, and who protected them, who covered up matters, this is a specific person and there are not one or two of them, moreover, this is not a district level, at least a regional level. Police, prosecutors, investigative committees, FSB, regional authorities, where they were, why they didn’t take action, there are no answers, and probably won’t be, a thief-Serdyukov stool, you look at his face - BOP, there’s no solution either. As one of the participants in the TV program said, there will be nothing at the top to fight corruption, the fish goes dead from the head.

[goldfinger]

Neighbor Belarus. Why so! Relatives from the Moscow Region, when they arrive, almost cry, why, they say, you can walk quietly all night without thinking about any dangers, the children go to school alone, etc. Do not think there is crime! But she is kept in hedgehogs. the call outfit didn’t arrive in less than five minutes - planer! Try to negotiate with our gay - it will not seem a little, they will sew a bribe (they are encouraged). Disclosure figures are some of the best in the world!
“The number of crimes is decreasing in Belarus. Moreover, this is a tendency of recent years.
The number of thefts and murders in three years has fallen by more than a third. Half-robberies. Crime detection improved. Today it is 60%. And it’s especially serious - almost 100%, the correspondent of the TV channel Stolichnoe Television reports.
Grigory Vasilevich, Attorney General of the Republic of Belarus:
Of course, especially grave crimes are always in the field of vision of law enforcement agencies and the prosecutor's office. We are analyzing the state of affairs in this area and strive to ensure that crimes of this kind are solved. "" Among developed countries, a higher percentage is only in Japan, "noted Grigory Vasilevich. "However, we are not resting on our laurels, we are not satisfied with this figure and are striving to increase it."
Have you really rotted all the power structures? I read that for one policeman you have one detention a year! Go crazy! And yet, supposedly, migrants interfere with them!
It's great that the "last dictator of Europe", our Ryhoravich, did not abolish the death penalty, so as not to pseudo-defenders of "human rights"!

[Corsair5912]

True democracy is the real autocracy of the chosen one of the people, acting in the interests of the people, and not officials and oligarchs. It’s better not to tell Nicolo Machiavelli.

Unity is established either by the nobility or by the people, depending on who will be given the first opportunity. To know, seeing that she cannot confront the people, exalts one of her own and proclaims him sovereign in order to quench her lust behind him. Likewise, the people, seeing that they cannot resist the nobility, exalt anyone alone in order to find protection for themselves in their power.
Therefore, it is more difficult for anyone who comes to power with the help of the nobility to maintain power than for someone whom the people have brought to power, because if the sovereign is surrounded by a nobility that respects himself equal to him, he can neither order nor have an independent course of action. Whereas the one whom the people have brought to power rules alone and there is no one or almost anyone around him who would not want to obey him. In addition, it is impossible to honestly, without prejudice to others, satisfy the claims of the nobility, but it is possible - the demands of the people, since the people have a more honest goal than the nobility: the people want to oppress the people, and the people do not want to be oppressed.
Moreover, nothing can be done about a hostile people, for it is numerous, but it can be done with the nobility, because it is small in number. The people, at worst, will turn their backs on the sovereign, while one can expect from a hostile nobility not only that they will turn their backs on the sovereign, but even go against him, for she is far-sighted, more cunning, looking ahead of time for ways to salvation and fawns on who stronger. And I’ll add that the sovereign is not free to choose the people, but free to choose to know, for his right to punish and pardon, approximate or subject to disgrace. Http: //philosophy.ru/library/machiavelli/0.html

[787nkx]

Where to get this?

[Sour]

Quote: knn54

Democracy and socialism are not mutually exclusive concepts.
There is democracy and socialist - they built free housing and there was free education and medicine, and there is liberal democracy - they buy yachts and foreign football clubs where individual rights are above the interests of society. Who are the current democrats?

You, like many, confuse the warm with the soft.
Democracy - form of government.
Socialism - social order.
Free education and free housing - social guarantees. Free education is in many capitalist countries. Free housing for many categories of people is also available in many capitalist countries.
Do not bring everything together.
And I’ll add. We have no democracy in Russia. But in the USSR it was not even close. Of course, if we mean democracy by democracy, as this word is translated from Greek.
There is no democracy anywhere now. This form of government cannot be durable, but it has never been in Russia.

[Corsair5912]

Quote: Sour

And I’ll add. We have no democracy in Russia. But in the USSR it was not even close. Of course, if we mean democracy by democracy, as this word is translated from Greek.
There is no democracy anywhere now. This form of government cannot be durable, but it has never been in Russia.

You are not right in everything, Sour.
In the USSR, there was just real 100% democracy, that is, the power of the people.
In the government and in the CPSU there were not aristocrats and not oligarchs, but working people.
Each citizen of the USSR could join the CPSU or become a deputy of the Council of any level, and they became who wished and acted.
As it turned out, a people who seized power did not behave any better than aristocrats. Power corrupts the weak in spirit.

[Sour]

Quote: Corsair5912

In the USSR, there was just real 100% democracy, that is, the power of the people.
In the government and in the CPSU there were not aristocrats and not oligarchs, but working people.
Each citizen of the USSR could join the CPSU or become a deputy of the Council of any level, and they became who wished and acted.
As it turned out, a people who seized power did not behave any better than aristocrats. Power corrupts the weak in spirit.

Your last phrase crosses out all the previous ones.
Did not notice? This is not surprising.
The people had a minimum of rights in the USSR. With a mustachioed ghoul by the name of Stalin, more than half of Soviet citizens did not have passports, and could break out of collective farm hard labor only with the gracious permission of the commies. My grandmother received a passport only in the 70s, only a year earlier than me, and my grandfather, who died at the front in 1945, did not see a passport in my eyes. The ghouls commies did not consider him a full-fledged citizen, like all rural residents.
And where was the "power of the people" here? Anyone could "become a deputy"? Yes, not even anyone was supposed to have a passport! And without a passport, you can't change your job, and your place of residence.
You live in the world of your myths and live in good health. Repeat the false tales about "democracy in the USSR". But don't shove me this lie, I'm fed up with it. I know a lot of interesting things about the communist government, and I consider the most fierce, most sworn enemy of the Russian people to be the one who dreams of the return of this power. This will never happen, gentlemen ghouls. And if you really want to shoot someone (and you don't offer anything else because of your stupidity, envy and anger), then shoot each other at your party meetings. And take your dirty, bloody, smelly paws away from the people.

[Corsair5912]

Quote: Sour

Your last phrase crosses out all the previous ones.
Did not notice? This is not surprising.
The people had a minimum of rights in the USSR. With a mustachioed ghoul by the name of Stalin, more than half of Soviet citizens did not have passports, and could break out of collective farm hard labor only with the gracious permission of the commies. My grandmother received a passport only in the 70s, only a year earlier than me, and my grandfather, who died at the front in 1945, did not see a passport in my eyes. The ghouls commies did not consider him a full-fledged citizen, like all rural residents.
And where was the "power of the people" here? Anyone could "become a deputy"? Yes, not even anyone was supposed to have a passport! And without a passport, you can't change your job, and your place of residence.

The phrase does not cross out anything, if a representative of the government, elected by the people, does not correspond to the position, this does not cancel the fact of the existence of democracy.
Pobrechushki about passports tell children born in the 80s, and even then most will not believe it. In most countries of the world, there are still no passports and no one is abominable or screaming about the lack of rights.
The passport has nothing to do with rights; until 1932, no one had passports in the USSR, not even Comrade. Stalin.
Certification was carried out selectively, by region from 1932 to 1937. In the village, a passport was not needed, and the cows and horses of the owners were recognized even without a passport. People did not go to resorts and trips abroad.
I was born and raised on a collective farm when I was 16 years old, went to the village council, gave the secretary 2 photographs, wrote a statement and the next day received a passport.
I never heard anyone refuse to issue a passport. A passport was required in hotels when buying tickets for long-distance flights and when working in the city. Trains and other transport traveled without passports.

[Sour]

Quote: Corsair5912

I never heard anyone refuse to issue a passport.

And only this excuses you. I give a discount on ignorance. Your lie, it turns out, is just a consequence of what you heard about the USSR from your parents, and you didn’t live a single day there.
Almost all of my rural relatives received passports only after Stalin died. Depending on who worked with whom. I myself received it in 1976, but some of my relatives received it in the same years, although they were born at the beginning of the century. Some even cried when they received these crusts.

Quote: Corsair5912

and in employment in the city.

In fact of the matter. And damn the commies who extended serfdom to the Russian peasant for many years. My grandfather worked like a slave on the "Belomor-Canal", for a penny, because the collective farm did not pay a penny, but only taxed. And he worked for two years, and again to the collective farm, and you will not break out, because the passport is not put. If this is democracy, then what should we call slavery? Once again - I know very, very much about the filthy communist government, you do not tell me tales.

Quote: Corsair5912

no one, not even Comrade Stalin.

Did he really need him? Not even funny.

[Corsair5912]

Quote: Sour

And only this excuses you. I give a discount on ignorance. Your lie, it turns out, is just a consequence of what you heard about the USSR from your parents, and you didn’t live a single day there.
Almost all of my rural relatives received passports only after Stalin died. Depending on who worked with whom. I myself received it in 1976, but some of my relatives received it in the same years, although they were born at the beginning of the century. Some even cried when they received these crusts.

Well, you are lying healthy, about your relatives.
My parents have had passports since 1949, and I received my passport in 1969 when I received a call for entrance exams to the university. It never occurred to me to cry. Why would suddenly.
Everyone who left our village in the city without a problem received passports and was full of people who remembered the first collective farms.
There was no serfdom, there were loan obligations of collective farmers to a state bank for loans received for the purchase of machinery, seeds, etc. they had to work out, and not hang out in the cities.
Where will the American farmer not repaying loans to the bank be?
This is it.
I would say a thread of a half-wit on our collective farm that we were serfs would be treated with burlak jelly so that it would be crystal 3 meters against the wind.

[Sour]

Two is enough to lie. You can’t surprise me with a communal lie.
And do not overestimate your age, this is a sin. You are 17 years old, no more. I understand that all commies are used to lying, but not to the same extent.
At the beginning of the 70s in my village more than half of the population did not have passports, what are you lying? Have a conscience. Although what a conscience commies.
When the scoop was the most vile serfdom, it ended only under Brezhnev, when they drank all the blood from the village. Before that, you can't go anywhere without an "organizational set". Did your dad and mom tell you about this? Yes, you have never heard such a word! Because they did not live in the USSR. They certainly did not live in the countryside.

Quote: Corsair5912

there were loan obligations of collective farmers to a state bank for loans received for the purchase of machinery, seeds, etc. they had to work out, and not hang out in the cities.

Lying again. No collective farmer could buy equipment or seeds in the USSR, but commanders commies could buy this for a collective farm. And why should an ordinary collective farmer be responsible for this? What did he have to do with these loans? Yes, he saw this collective farm in a coffin, together with the chairman and party committee. He did not control anything there, he was a slave. And what false cattle do you need to be in order to compare it with a farmer? The farmer even managed the fruits of his labor.
Stop lying.

[Sour]

Quote: Corsair5912

and I received my passport in 1969 when I received a call for entrance exams to the university.

Lie, do not lie. By the abundance of grammatical errors, you are not even remotely like the one who graduated from the university in those days.

Quote: Corsair5912

There was no serfdom, there were loan obligations of collective farmers to a state bank for loans received for the purchase of machinery, seeds, etc. they had to work out, and not hang out in the cities.

This nonsense could be written only by someone who has no idea about sovereignty, but only read or heard something.
By the manner of expressing your thoughts and by the level of knowledge you are about 17 years old, maximum.
It’s not good to lie.
Better tell us about alpha males and the student hostel. This is more convincing for you. And for the rest, the children’s snot stick out too much.

[Shadowcat]

something like that

[PValery53]

Of course, in Kushchevskaya the courts adopted a "Solomon's decision": they "decided" (breaking the law, covering them up) not to offend the villainous accomplices of Tsapok's gang in the government and the police. Well, now what to do with "these" vessels ?!

[Sour]

Quote: PValery53

Well, now what to do with "these" vessels ?!

Urgently get a law degree (if not) and go work as a judge. Show everyone the class how to work honestly in the judicial field. Weak? That's it ...

[Keeper]

I thought that their "mom" would be given more! She almost served her time ...

[Keeper]

In general, Wasserman is more than right!
There are two types of building a society:
1. on the principle of a pyramid, where "castes" exist, there is an elite and a corresponding desire to become this elite.
2. on the principle of a hexagonal star ("Star of David". This refers to the Jewish religion in the same way as Fascism took the Indian "swastika" as a basis). where each ray performs not only its role, but can also become an "opponent": the Mayor works as a janitor, the Chief washes the dishes for the workers - the point is that on the basis of these algorithms, a true DEMOCRACY is built!
And now you can ask a simple question: Are people ready to stop chasing leadership and strive to become an elite in society ?!
The answer is simple: it is unlikely!
This means that everything that we call democratic today is an illusion of a dream (that is, not even a dream itself!).
But just about gang formations - this is just a side effect of building democracy in a place where they are not ready to accept the "red pill of reset" ...
Even our magnificent forum has the principle of a pyramid (rank, shoulder straps) ...

I don’t smoke, I don’t drink, I don’t inject! )))

[Corsair5912]

Quote: Keeper

And now you can ask a simple question: Are people ready to stop chasing leadership and strive to become an elite in society ?!
The answer is simple: it is unlikely!

Any closed community of people from the state to the HF barracks inevitably acquires the structure of a monkey flock
1. Leader - alpha male
2. Dominant individuals and favorites of the leader
3. Ordinary members of the flock with minimum rights
4. Weak humiliated and rejected individuals.
For leadership, you must constantly fight at all levels from the state to the student hostel, otherwise they will lower it.

[Goldmitro]

<<< That is why criminal communities, like Kushchevsky, controlling entire districts, are, in my opinion, one of the many practically inevitable consequences of the domination of the invisible hand of the market. >>>
His Majesty the MARKET, which is worshiped by our libesrals, is a sacred cow, who is allowed to do everything, which will decide everything "by itself", will "itself" regulate! And his main priority and slogan is ENRICH, otherwise he simply cannot exist. And now He reigns everywhere, penetrated into all the pores of the state mechanism, and, what is most dangerous, into the power and law enforcement structures, uniting them and "Tsapkov" into one mechanism to establish control over each district and squeeze dough out of it by all means! They now have different accents and safety, if these are ordinary people (who are not businessmen and not influential people), apparently, very few people are interested! So "Tsapki" is a native child of the market, and there are a huge number of such people around the country and they have been living for a long time, since the inception of market relations and as long as the libesrals rule the country UNCONTROLLED, they will exist and develop!

[Sour]

Quote: Goldmitro

one of the many practically inevitable consequences of the dominance of the invisible hand of the market. >>>

There, in the Kuban, when the scoop was S.F. Medunov.
Have you heard about this?
There was no market then, but the mafia.

[mountain]

No need to go so far as a polemic. What they say, bandits - if he were not a bandit, he would go to the cops. What are the cops reasoning about? Ask the cop to go with a bandit.
Unfortunately - it smells like a doctrine. And I see patterns before 1917, the police were called, after 1918 the police.
What awaits in front, who will guess?

[mithridate]

for a full-fledged merciless fight against crime, political will is necessary (the publication of relevant laws and the development of mechanisms for their practical application). without it - just a talking room before the next election

[mountain]

So many laws have already been written. Until the people themselves deal with this problem, nothing the government can do.
I look minus that gave out your principles, CITIZENS bandits?)))

[mountain]

Feel free to minus, I can see how many of you are on the site.

[Sour]

Quote: mountain

I look minus that gave out your principles, CITIZENS bandits?)))

I set a minus.
Sick of the phrase: What they say, bandits - if he were not a bandit, he would go to the cops. What are the cops reasoning about? Ask the cop to go with a bandit.
You were hardly a cop and a gangster, how do you know what they are talking about?
Go and try to work in law enforcement. If you show everyone a master class of honest and effective work, then I will put you a plus. And with a tongue to grind - not toss bags.

[mountain]

You guessed it, yes I do not work and did not work in the organs. I’m a businessman now, and not only from the outside, I saw idleness in the mid-nineties and how it all began, and who went to roof and rob. And, as and when, the relay passed to the cops. And the phrases that I printed, believe me, not mine, but those from whom I unfortunately heard them.
I am not offended by you, it’s good that there are people who have not passed this school. God grant you will continue to be so lucky.

[Sour]

Quote: mountain

God grant you will continue to be so lucky.

What are you talking about?
I have a direct relationship to business. Actively deal with it, and taxes, by the way, I pay as expected. They are more than my state pension.
And he served in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, first in the VV, then in mentality.
I know about this office not only in cinema and not only in woman’s gossip.
But you don't know anything about her. Go and serve. Work for months without days off. Go a couple of times to the "Caucasian resorts", sniff gunpowder. You can't drive you there with a stick. Everyone can try it, how wonderful it is. But it's not that simple.
Do you want to say that the cops have a low popularity among the people? And who is she tall? Is it not a businessman?
We all do not like each other, if that.
And what the cops are arguing among themselves, you are not poisoning here. There are those who really know this.

[mountain]

Well, now everything is clear. And with a pollock or roofing, or in business, you were paid the same as the director of the plant. That is why such a reaction to my statement. And I’m a citizen of the police officer, the former, or the former does not happen, my life’s experience. But it’s not for you to teach citizens how to deal with them in the current conditions; you already had a chance to prove yourself. CITY ACID.

[Sour]

Quote: Mithridates

for a full-fledged merciless fight against crime, political will is necessary (the publication of relevant laws and the development of mechanisms for their practical application). without it - just a talking room before the next election

For a full-scale fight against crime (not ostentatious, but real), an intolerant attitude towards crime is necessary in all sectors of our society. And we don’t have it at all.
Public opinion is tolerant of crime. Because people are used to living like that.
1) Petty thieves are considered more honest than big thieves, although they are not more honest, but only less opportunity for theft. The conclusion suggests itself that people are not interested in legality and decency, but in "social justice" (like, let them steal, but not more than me). And from this position, corruption and crime will never be defeated.
2) The attitude to bribe takers is negative only when they take a lot, or are representatives of the authorities. And if a teacher or a doctor takes bribes, then no one condemns this.
3) The attitude towards bribe-givers is generally very loyal. This is not even considered a crime here. Moreover, public opinion even considers them to be victims of corruption. Like, they give money, they don’t take. Here again the principle of "social justice" is at work, not legality.
Conclusion: until there is a turning point in public consciousness, nothing will change for the better. And only a dumbass believes that repression will help. Because in place of any dismissed corrupt official will come a new one with the same morality. After all, there is no other morality in our society. Because everyone deep down believes that the law is binding on everyone except him and his friends.
PS For some reason, it is precisely those acquaintances of mine who shit the most on nature, on a barbecue with friends, who are most indignant at the bad ecology. And quite sincerely. It doesn’t even occur to them that the law applies to them. And most of all are indignant (and also sincerely) by the bribe-cops precisely those who poke their money in their pocket, just to not pay a fine then.

[Support]

It is necessary to take into service an example - the American detachments of urban self-defense - the police. Naturally, under them, laws must be adopted. And give the green light to the resolution of the short-barreled gun. And revise the law on self-defense. And then they will cut you, but you can’t sneeze - they will be offended for excess. Otherwise, they will dryuch us - both morally and physically .....

[Sour]

Quote: Prop

It is necessary to take into service an example - the American detachments of urban self-defense - the police.

I foresee huge queues of people who wish to these units.

Quote: Prop

And give the go-ahead for permission to short-fire

In our country, 99% of the population does not know how to disassemble a gun, and not just shoot it.

[Support]

Well, for this, there are courses where it will be necessary to undergo training in both disassembly and application. It’s just necessary that it doesn’t happen again - they wanted the best, but it turned out as always. Those. there is a possibility that the bandits will receive legal weapons, and the population again is not worthy. Laws need appropriate, such as sitting - do not even think. And it doesn’t matter why he was sitting. Just to the words that in the Russian Federation more than half of the population was sitting - there will be an answer that less than half of the population will arm themselves. And those who have bodyguards or personal armed guards should not be given permission. The principles of democracy should not work here - most of the nouveau riches themselves are former bandits. thieves and swindlers, at least.

[Sour]

Quote: Prop

Well, for this, there are courses where it will be necessary to undergo training in both disassembly and application.

To confidently shoot a pistol, you need constant practice. I assure you, there are few courses, and I know what I'm talking about. I, if anything, had a five in shooting. Here you must constantly go to the shooting range, otherwise you won’t be able to do anything.
My friend was a sniper in Afghanistan, but he can’t shoot at all with a pistol. Everything is different there. I let him shoot, one laugh came out.
I am a staunch opponent of the legalization of the short barrel, precisely because I know what it is. Proponents of this legalization are usually very young people who have a poor idea of ​​what shooting on the street is. Or do not think about what a pistol is in the hands of an average Russian citizen (a monkey with a grenade will be much safer).

[Keeper]

Quote: Corsair5912

For leadership, you must constantly fight at all levels from the state to the student hostel, otherwise they will lower it.

This is the whole trouble, that you consider society purely at the level of a pyramid (the very term society, as well as society at the scientific level, is exclusively a “human flock.” Studying at the Faculty of Psychology, I could not understand why they are drumming into us, that Society is a purely human factor, a synonym for the concept of "society" !!! Complete nonsense! But you can't argue against science ... I tried and understood - I came for knowledge, albeit far from my knowledge of the Universe). So that's it.

Leadership does not mean suppression of other members of society! You can be a loner, but a Leader, for whom people will not reach out because he will offend anyone, and assert themselves at anyone’s expense! This is a huge mistake if you think you need to fight ...

The pradox is that people do not themselves strive to get stuck in a flock ... They are pushed there by an ideology that is supported on a social level, and artificially!
Feel like a huge tree, under which life boils! You are already a Leader! No need to prove anything! And the world around will sparkle with completely different faces.

As for all kinds of gangs - They are and will be as long as there are missing "cogs" in our society. Remember when there was the USSR - there were many unemployed in the country ?! Were there many malicious defaulters of utility services ?! We hid the keys to the apartment either in the mailbox or under the rugs !!! And all why ?! Because the state was engaged in ideology in every detail!
Now this process is at the very beginning! And the state has yet to rebuild the perception of the people of the world, in which it is necessary to learn to "see the Measure of one's neighbor" in order not to disturb this delicate balance, which can also be called a part of true Democracy ...

Sorry if I wrote off-topic.

[Keeper]

Quote: Sour

until there is a turning point in public consciousness, nothing will change for the better. And only a dumbass believes that repression will help

Absolutely true!

[Support]

In general, the situation in the Russian Federation recalls the following - there is a first state. Everyone knows him as the Russian Federation. And in it is a second state - a conglomerate of oligarchs, officials at all levels, including the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB and similar. And they fused with criminal ties. And the people are some kind of lubricant between these two states - they feed (in the sense of everything at the expense of the people) both the first and second states. But if anything, they are extreme. And all this lubricant is served under a beautiful sauce of democracy, liberality, tolerance and universal values.

[Sour]

In principle, it is.
But the people are also not white and fluffy. Power did not fly from Mars, but left this very people. If anything, we do not have hereditary ministers and governors, all of them were once people. And corruption has deep roots in the people. We are full of people who are always trying to solve any problem bypassing the law. All honest, but for some reason they buy radar detectors. In addition to the counter, no one considers connecting to the network as a sin. To deflect from the army is easy. Do not pay taxes - it's like hello. Fake sick leave to issue - easy. Drive without a ticket - how is it impossible? But at the same time, everyone requires honest power. And where will it come from? There are no miracles.
And after all, few people think that if they really begin to restore order in the country, then this will affect everyone and everyone. Little will not seem to anyone. It’s just that no one notices violations of the law, they are noticed by others.

[rotfuks]

The first time after the Kushchevskaya massacre there were bold media that mentioned the method of murder. The fact is that the throats, from ear to ear, were characteristically cut for all those killed. Today, no one mentions this, so that the people do not have unnecessary associations. The perpetrators were named on the fourth day after the murder. They were told directly from the Kremlin that the motive for the murder was blood feud. After that, other versions were not considered. There were no courageous investigators. The suspects were thrown into jail and tortured for six months without access to lawyers and relatives. Then, the most talkative prisoners were traditionally killed in jail, staging suicide. Judging by the articles in the media, there is no evidence. The evidence base in the case is simply missing. No witnesses, no murder weapons either. First, they looked for knives in the river, then they announced that the knives had been melted. Yeah, they made an open-hearth furnace and knives melted in spite of the trackers. Knife stabbed 12 people, imagine how much blood. But not a single spot of blood on the clothes of the suspects. There is not a speck of blood on the car seats either. The case is fabricated from beginning to end. In the first articles about this massacre, there was a story about a neighbor boy who accidentally entered Ametov’s house and was killed as a witness. It was written that the boy was killed with one blow of inhuman strength. The child was killed almost with a fist. In the forums, then a whole discussion arose about the blow. Some meticulous juxtaposed this blow with size 46 traces found at the scene of the reprisal. Among the convicts there are no heroes capable of killing a child with a blow. In what form did the episode with the murder of a boy come to court? Or has the strike of inhuman power been already canceled and the master’s shoulder work from Bastirkin for accuracy put a bullet into the skull of a murdered child?

Why was there a farce with the investigation? At the trial, only unfounded accusations about organized crime were made. And in general, this is not a court, but a court. People were sentenced to life imprisonment and almost all were deprived of their word in court. The hoe lifted up his shirt, and he had his whole body streaked with scars. Mental investigators caught him, just beat, and not sawed with a chainsaw.
The Kushchevskaya massacre is an example of mass duping of public consciousness through the media. What is the story about 200 raped in Kushchevka. In fact, this is a well-planned raider seizure of land and subsequent organized support in the media.