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Provocative "Symbol of the Sun" on the ice of Riga, or Nazi-representation before hockey

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One of the matches of the Continental Hockey League - the match between Dynamo Riga and the Ugra team from Khanty-Mansiysk was marked by a scandalous incident. More specifically, this glaring case did not occur during the match itself, but before it began. The organizers of the hockey meeting decided in a peculiar way to greet the guests and link the opening ceremony of the meeting with the 95 anniversary of the appearance on the world map of the Latvian Republic. Young boys and girls in costumes carried on the ice arena a few cloths in the colors of the national flag, with which they danced for several minutes. On the last chords of the musical accompaniment of this “dance” from the cloths, a figure suddenly formed, which, by its form, was very similar to the swastika. Moreover, it was precisely on the appearance of this figure that the organizers of the show placed the main emphasis, characteristically highlighting it with searchlights. Many fans, who during the “dance” applauded the speakers, realizing that the symbol “flaunts” in front of them on the ice arena, changed the applause with a whistle. The beginning and the course of the match did not stop.


Provocative "Symbol of the Sun" on the ice of Riga, or Nazi-representation before hockey


The main discussion about what happened in Riga began after the end of the meeting, in which the victory was celebrated by Latvian hockey players. The main question was asked the leaders of the KHL. The question is, how could it ever turn out that the presentation before the start of a sporting event included such a provocative element, obviously not capable of embellishing either the performance itself or the hockey match.

The KHL leadership decided to sort out this issue. An entire league special commission was created. Understood, admittedly, not for long. A short time after the incident, Vladimir Shalaev (vice-president of the KHL) spoke out:

The commission has finished working. We did not find anything criminal. There is such a good saying: "Let me pull one phrase out of the Bible, and I will prove that the author should be hanged." Here is exactly the same situation. The commission worked fruitfully, requested all materials, attracted specialists in heraldry - there is nothing there.

The words were published by the publication "Soviet Sport".

The original conclusion ... Even more original in this situation should be considered Dmitry Kurbatov - Director of the organization and conduct of the KHL matches. Kurbatov, commenting on the situation with the appearance of the swastika during the opening ceremony of the match, said he did not see anything reprehensible. According to him, the symbol that appeared in the course of the “show” could simply “randomly form”, and the photographer captured it right there. They say that there was nothing similar in the script of the action, but simply random perturbations of artists with flags on the ice and gave rise to this symbol, which made, to put it mildly, bewilder the fans and not only the fans. It turns out that the accented searchlight illumination of the symbol “similar to the swastika” worked by pure chance ...

Meanwhile, representatives of the Riga hockey club Dynamo stated that it was not an accident that everything was written in the script, but there was no talk of a swastika. So what appeared on the ice arena in Riga? The official site of the Continental Hockey League is trying to give us an answer to this question:

The Continental Hockey League promptly conducted an investigation - an explanation was requested and received from Dinamo Riga (Riga), photo and video materials were studied, and a heraldry specialist's opinion was received.

Summarizing the information received, the KHL gives an official assessment of the situation. The match between Dynamo and Ugra was held on the eve of the state holiday of the Republic of Latvia - Independence Day, and the pre-match show was based on the use of Latvian national symbols and ornaments. Among them is the so-called "Symbol of the Sun" (Saules zime), whose image symbolizes the desire for good and happiness. That is the meaning, according to the organizers, was invested in the pre-match show. The hockey club Dynamo (Riga) expressed regret that the feelings of a considerable number of hockey fans were offended. The KHL believes that the formation of the “Symbol of the Sun”, which is an element of the spiritual heritage, is not related to the Nazi ideology, but is the use of traditional symbols and ornaments of the Latvian people.


And an interesting ending to the note:

At the same time, the KHL notes that, given the possibility of the appearance of obvious associations, the organizers of the show should refrain from displaying such symbols when holding international matches.


That is, it turns out that the KHL firmly knows: there was only a Latvian folk motif-symbol on the ice, but at the same time recommends that the Latvian side refrain from using such “motif-symbols” ... It seems that everything is in order, but at the same time time is not quite in order.

And indeed, the order, it turns out, is not enough. Even if we assume that the Latvian host has decided to show the guests of the ceremony its purely national “pattern”, which does not symbolize anything other than sun, goodness and happiness, then any functionary (and not only a functionary) who is ready to lay out the fascist can say the same thing. the swastika is already without any variations. Why? Let him say that these are all your conjectures, that no one is a symbol of fascism and Nazism (hakenkreuz), but only a symbol of the luminary.

Yes, indeed - a symbol of the luminary, a wish for well-being and good luck, an ornament of creation, but at least let’s Latvian Saules zime. But all this was up to the moment when this more than peaceful symbol found itself on the flag of Nazi Germany. Until the moment when millions of people began to be killed under this banner, dropped bombs on sleeping cities and exterminate entire nations. Since then, the very perception of this symbol has changed. Any normal person who is well aware of the horror that has descended on the planet since the beginning of the Second World War cannot, by definition, be associated with anything else. And such a person can at least a thousand times be accused of not being familiar with Latvian styles and ornaments, so that they don’t understand anything in Sanskrit messages (swastika from Sanskrit. “Swasti” - greeting), but in his worldview attitude to this symbol will not change.

However, the Latvian side seems to be aware of this and is not trying. The other day, the press secretary of the Latvian Ice Hockey Federation, Maris Gorbunovs, said that he did not see anything reprehensible in the appearance of this symbol on the Arena-Riga hockey ground:

This sign is one of the mythological symbols of Latvia, so I do not see anything criminal in this. If you take a closer look at the production, then it is clear that the swastika looks different - her “legs” go the other way.
“Legs to the other side” is a serious and reasoned explanation ...


It is noteworthy that 7 years ago, Latvia has already tried to promote its Saules zime. Then the Latvian organizers decided to “please” their partners from the West. At the NATO summit, held in 2006 in the year in Riga, the Latvian authorities offered guests gift sets in which were mittens with the image of the same "Sun Symbol". Then it almost came to a great scandal: when the summit guests learned about such a gift, many openly declared that they could not take it, specifying the reason. Now, Latvia seems to have again decided to remind of its ambiguously perceived symbols by the public, having decided to use them at a sports festival.

Similar "Symbols of the Sun", sadly, but appear now at sports competitions not only in Latvia. Not so long ago, in Yaroslavl, a flag with a swastika appeared on one of the stands, hung out by one ... well, it's difficult to call a fan of this “hero”. For such a wild trick, a young man (born 1989) was “mercilessly” punished: as many as seven days of arrest for “propaganda and public demonstration of Nazi paraphernalia”. Whole seven days! .. Surprisingly, according to our laws, nothing more than a resident of the Vladimir region, who was a new follower of the “Fuhrer” ideas, did not shine. From the article 20.3 p.1 COAP:

Propaganda and public demonstration of Nazi attributes or symbols or attributes or symbols similar to Nazi attributes or symbols to the degree of confusion, or public demonstration of attributes or symbols of extremist organizations entails the imposition of an administrative fine on citizens in the amount of from one thousand to two thousand rubles with confiscation of the subject administrative offense or administrative arrest for a period of up to fifteen days with confiscation of the subject of an administrative offense; on officials - from one thousand to four thousand rubles with confiscation of the subject of an administrative offense; on legal entities - from ten thousand to fifty thousand rubles with confiscation of the subject of an administrative offense.

In general, the punishment looks just strange - in fact, nothing and does not prevent anyone from walking around with the attributes of Nazism, having a couple thousand in his pocket in case of detention and a fine. So one can be surprised for a long time about the blatant provocation of the Latvian side, but we shouldn’t forget about ourselves either ... Our grandfathers and great-grandfathers, who won us the Victory in that Great War, look at us from old photos with silent reproach.
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  1. avant-garde
    avant-garde 22 November 2013 07: 58
    38
    Let them put this symbol of the sun flat in one place, not what to show it on games that have the status of the Russian championship. Fascists unfinished
    1. Ruslandeth
      Ruslandeth 22 November 2013 08: 14
      105
      I propose at the return match of this club in Russia to deploy a huge Hammer and Sickle. You can with a portrait of Joseph Vissarionych.)

      These symbols are bright, unlike gavnosvastiki, but the popolabol provided
      1. Canep
        Canep 22 November 2013 08: 22
        32
        It is better to sew a hammer and sickle on a uniform for all hockey players, and not in the second leg, but to all the teams playing in Riga.
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 22 November 2013 10: 45
          30
          Quote: Canep
          It is better to sew a hammer and sickle on a uniform for all hockey players, and not in the second leg, but to all the teams playing in Riga.

          Better to all the teams receiving or playing away with Dynamo (Riga).
          I am tormented by the question: Why did the players and the coaching “staff” of UGRA lack the spirit, the strength, or the willpower. 1) Leave the game immediately after the presentation of the "sun". 2) Punish the "hosts" 0:95. ????
          1. washi
            washi 22 November 2013 13: 15
            16
            Quote: Papakiko
            Quote: Canep
            It is better to sew a hammer and sickle on a uniform for all hockey players, and not in the second leg, but to all the teams playing in Riga.

            Better to all the teams receiving or playing away with Dynamo (Riga).
            I am tormented by the question: Why did the players and the coaching “staff” of UGRA lack the spirit, the strength, or the willpower. 1) Leave the game immediately after the presentation of the "sun". 2) Punish the "hosts" 0:95. ????

            But because all the pros do not give a damn about their native country.
            I am against Professional Sports. Instead of organizing sports events of an international level, let us develop amateur sports, as in the USSR. From a million fans, to provide a country in the international arena, you can always select several unique ones who will do ALL without doping.
            When we made the sport professional, the selection of nuggets ended. As a result, only those who had enough money for ammunition participate in the competition. Coaches, to select players, do not go anywhere because they don’t pay for it, and there’s nowhere to look (instead of sports grounds in each yard there are parking lots)
            1. builder74
              builder74 22 November 2013 20: 53
              +1
              To the point! +100
          2. Corsair
            Corsair 22 November 2013 22: 22
            +3
            Quote: Papakiko
            Why the players and the coaching “headquarters” of UGRA lacked the spirit, the strength, or the willpower. 1) Leave the game immediately after the presentation of the "sun". 2) Punish the "hosts" 0:95. ????

            Alas, the time has passed when our athletes played for the country, the idea.
            Now they are highly paid sports businessmen seeking to sell their skills and sportswear in the market at a higher price.
            What if they would be "crushed" in a fierce battle in the name of restoring justice?
            How and then go to expensive clubs?
            in my humble opinion
        2. Lynch
          Lynch 22 November 2013 11: 53
          +2
          That would be the motivation of our players!
        3. vardex
          vardex 23 November 2013 01: 26
          0
          AND STILL EXACTLY WOULD NOT BE BAD PORTRAIT OF STALIN
          THIS WOULD BE GREAT ......
      2. Neighbor
        Neighbor 22 November 2013 08: 22
        +8
        The image of the PCA in addition.
      3. olegff68
        olegff68 22 November 2013 08: 49
        14
        Gentlemen of the Baltic politicians (and others like them) dab yourself with feces from head to toe - so it will be even better for you to manage to annoy others.
        1. atalef
          atalef 22 November 2013 08: 53
          13
          Quote: olegff68
          Gentlemen of the Baltic politicians (and others like them) dab yourself with feces from head to toe - so it will be even better for you to manage to annoy others.

          No, they will not annoy this, but in the end they will show who they really are
      4. tronin.maxim
        tronin.maxim 22 November 2013 09: 06
        24
        Quote: Ruslandeth
        swastikas

        Speaking of swastings! The swastia is purely Slavic symbols, namely at least 144. There are some individuals who took the symbol for themselves and interpreted it for themselves. Here are just a few. Here is a transcript: http: //poleznoeznanie.ru/104.htm. Further:
        1. Arti
          Arti 22 November 2013 10: 04
          14
          I fully support your remark, it seems to me that sooner or later a campaign should be launched to "decouple" the swastika from fascism and Nazism. Because these concepts are not at all connected, except if we consider that the choice of Hitler (and even the whole people) of the swastika with his symbolism is able to cross out the many thousand-year history of this symbol.
          Nazism is a stupid ideology, fascism is a crime that should be punished by death. Latvians (that part of them that supports neo-fascism) are bully - who will regret it again.

          The swastika is not a symbol of fascism, just the Nazis chose it as their symbol. And this means it is necessary to take away this symbol from them, and return its sacred meaning.
          1. DEfindER
            DEfindER 22 November 2013 10: 53
            17
            Quote: Arti
            The swastika is not a symbol of fascism, just the Nazis chose it as their symbol. And this means it is necessary to take away this symbol from them, and return its sacred meaning.

            Unfortunately, this symbol is already so blackened, and the crimes of fascism are so enormous that it is hardly possible to bleach it somehow. And it is not so necessary for our culture, we can do without it. Associations with him are too creepy, especially for our people ..
            And at the expense of this Latvian provocation, there is, after all, a regulation where it is written in black and white, which symbols are forbidden to be displayed at sporting events (the swastika is in the first place) and the punishment for this is why it was not clear according to the regulations!
            1. vlad767
              vlad767 22 November 2013 18: 19
              -4
              Or maybe then also ban the rainbow, huh? fool As a symbol of debauchery and sodomy? Moreover, the corresponding law has been adopted in Russia.
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          2. Nayhas
            Nayhas 22 November 2013 11: 18
            +5
            Quote: Arti
            The swastika is not a symbol of fascism, just the Nazis chose it as their symbol. And this means it is necessary to take away this symbol from them, and return its sacred meaning.

            Symbol of fascism bunch and ax.

            The swastika has become a symbol of National Socialism, or rather, they chose it for themselves, thereby defiling the symbol of the sun. The fact that you should stop linking the swastika for a long time and Nazism is already overdue. Zealous citizens who see everything that is not there are especially getting it.
            PS: by the way, the national flag of Germany from 1933 to 1945. there was a red banner on which the symbol of Nazism is in the center, and in the USSR a red banner with the symbol of communism in the upper left corner. And somehow no one in the red banner sees the symbol of Nazism ...
            1. Ptah
              Ptah 22 November 2013 11: 47
              +1
              Quote: Nayhas
              Zealous citizens who see everything that is not there are especially getting it.

              There is such an opinion.
              Particularly indignant - friendly advice. Do you at least take a closer look at what the "unfinished" show-makers "portrayed" with a real image of a swastika.
              The "rays" come out from different points. With the enacted imagination, you can bring a lot of things from the world of flora under fascism.
              Or is it about what Putin got out of the sea -
              ytsuk
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 22 November 2013 11: 55
                10
                Oh well, tell me, everyone perfectly understood what this would turn out to be. And do not talk about what labs.us are ancient Slavs. Three hundred years, this symbol will be associated with the destruction of Slavs and other peoples. And what labs. Do is called outright provocation.
                What kind of stench would have risen if the hockey players had, for example, the sickle and hammer (of ours) as heirs and successors of the USSR team ?!
                So do not la - la ...
          3. SPLV
            SPLV 22 November 2013 11: 26
            +5
            It remains only to explain to which Slavic tribe the Balts belong. As soon as this happens, immediately declare native Russian lands. Or tell which branch of Hinduism they belong to. Otherwise, Protest Notes from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs are enough.
          4. carbofo
            carbofo 22 November 2013 11: 39
            +4
            Quote: Arti
            I fully support your remark, it seems to me that sooner or later a campaign should be launched to "decouple" the swastika from fascism and Nazism

            The symbol is unimportant, but it is important that it personifies, tens of millions of people were killed under the banner of this symbol, so your offer is bullshit, the symbol is blackened by blood, and historians are also interested, so no, I repeat, no untying can be done.
            We’ll come up with a new symbol, let it be forgotten.
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          6. cdrt
            cdrt 22 November 2013 18: 34
            +1
            Quote: Arti
            I fully support your remark, it seems to me that sooner or later a campaign should be launched to "decouple" the swastika from fascism and Nazism. Because these concepts are not at all connected, except if we consider that the choice of Hitler (and even the whole people) of the swastika with his symbolism is able to cross out the many thousand-year history of this symbol.
            Nazism is a stupid ideology, fascism is a crime that should be punished by death. Latvians (that part of them that supports neo-fascism) are bully - who will regret it again.

            The swastika is not a symbol of fascism, just the Nazis chose it as their symbol. And this means it is necessary to take away this symbol from them, and return its sacred meaning.


            I think it was not Hitler’s choice at all, but rather the influence of the German occultists on him, who taught him
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 22 November 2013 10: 14
          +7
          Unfortunately, the swastika after Hitler acquired a negative color, although this sign is really a solar symbol. 3.14daras also chose the rainbow flag for themselves, but this does not mean that the rainbow after that became bad. Incorrect associations. Another question, for what purpose Latvians used it. I think they wanted to tease us, the reaction was predictable.
        3. projdoha
          projdoha 22 November 2013 21: 23
          0
          "rotation of heaven"
          heaven is galaxies, is not it very similar to galaxies ..
      5. Namejs
        Namejs 22 November 2013 09: 40
        -38 qualifying.
        How amuse me your anger :)
        the swastika, he is the cross of the cross, the cross of fire, and so on is almost the whole world used by the ancient symbol of Kotor. The fact that Hitler misled this symbol is another matter (in general, there are quite specific criteria for Nazi symbols - a black swastika in a white circle.) Look at the watermarks of the USSR and RI money.

        Well, in Latvia this symbol is still used in cultural events and there is no relation to Hitlerism.

        1. Same lech
          Same lech 22 November 2013 09: 44
          10
          Tell tales about a white bull; now I’m starting to cry, what white and fluffy you are.
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        2. Canep
          Canep 22 November 2013 09: 49
          15
          Quote: Namejs
          Well, in Latvia this symbol is still used in cultural events and there is no relation to Hitlerism.
          The organizers of this knew very well what kind of reaction this symbol will cause in Russia, and they did not prohibit this action, I consider this a frank provocation.
          1. Namejs
            Namejs 22 November 2013 14: 22
            -4
            Well, first of all, the swastika of the Latishea is associated with paganism and then with Nazism. This symbol is part of the Latishea heritage culturnava (as well as the Russians).
            There is no provocation.
            1. ytqnhfk
              ytqnhfk 22 November 2013 15: 20
              0
              Would you go to rest young man! Revise 1 part of the film "we are from the future" - sit down and think about how you would behave in that situation would become a policeman would die in the ranks of the red army or the green lads would meet you. Think and not a schalobolte! And when everyone has gone through inside yourself, think about whether you like this swastika or not, especially if under this swastika they killed, burned, tortured your relatives!
              1. Namejs
                Namejs 22 November 2013 15: 53
                -3
                Of course, Hitler screwed up a very beautiful symbol. But if it is yellow in Latvia, it is used only in choriography, but in Russia a good proportion of nationalists are somewhat stern about this case?
                1. carbofo
                  carbofo 22 November 2013 20: 32
                  0
                  Are there too many coincidences? then the Nazis climbed out of the holes, then they are suspicious flags, in the USSR I don’t remember anyone using this symbol even for fun! And no traditions have been using it for many years, and on those TRADITION greetings, whence came the state that only turned 60 at the most.
                  NO and never had such a country and the culture of such a country did not exist since there was no such country, and calling the culture of the country what was not there is nonsense of a schizophrenic.
                  Exactly the same applies to the country that is independent from birth 22 years! what culture they are talking about I don’t understand at all.
                  Papuans have been eating bananas for thousands of years and they don’t have a culture, but then, as if by wand, they’re 22 years old and a culture where they take grass all the time, LSD under hash is weaker.
              2. Tommygun
                Tommygun 22 November 2013 15: 55
                0
                The question is not at the address. He would be on the other side from the beginning, kill, burn and torment.
            2. klimpopov
              klimpopov 22 November 2013 15: 29
              +3
              And I associate first with Nazism and then with Nazism, perhaps only then with the Indians. The question is subjective. And there is no need for tales of "ancient traditions" and a return to the roots, you understand everything perfectly.
            3. vardex
              vardex 23 November 2013 01: 30
              0
              STALIN AND THE NKVD WERE GOOD IN RESPECT TO YOU A LITTLE BIT THERE YOU ARE REPLAINED ...
        3. klimpopov
          klimpopov 22 November 2013 09: 59
          20
          Why do you have a sickle and a hammer pop.obol then causes ??? !! After all, they collect bread with a sickle and hammer a plow with a hammer.
          events and attitudes towards Hitlerism

          Do not lie

          This symbol now embodies fascism and Hitler worship, in fact it is satanic or is on a par with it (if not worse).
          What he used to be there and that personified the affairs of great-great-grandfathers and great-great-grandmothers.
          Nowadays, it is clearly associated with Hitler and fascism (by the way, it is forbidden in Russia and you know that, in neighboring Belarus you will be opened for him in the patterns of the same swastika)! And using it by you is an attempt to provoke at least some kind of pop-pain in Russia and those countries in which they fought against Fascism (I must say they fought successfully, the red flag with the same sickle and hammer on the Reichstag building confirms this), as there are other options , except for the above, well, you still have no spoil in every jar of sprat. We do not buy sprats, the first remains.
          used almost the whole world.

          Now does not use.
          By the way, where are the Jews? They have monuments there fag gay victims of the swastika set. And here in Europe, a hotbed of fascism drew up (is it not from the filing?)

          By the way, you returned the tank estam al diesel fuel is over? Didn’t get there?
          I sincerely mock you and let me be banned, but it was worth it!)))))


          By the way, I propose to invoice Latvia for the Latvian shooters)))))
          And remember, NATO will not have time. Be the first if that repeat

          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 22 November 2013 10: 15
            +8
            From emotions, even with errors wrote))))
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            2. puskarinkis
              puskarinkis 22 November 2013 11: 59
              -2
              If no crime was found in the actions of people on the stage, then it was not. There is no need to tie the swastika so zealously to Nazism. The symbol is not to blame for the way it is used! Let's start accusing people wearing a cross of promoting violence and torture! Let's remember the Holy Inquisition and the Crusades! It is necessary to remember the crimes of the Hitlerite regime and hold accountable for its propaganda, and not incite rejection to the symbol that our ancestors used for hundreds of years, and maybe more. If you do not know, the same Lithuanians resisted Christianity the longest and these peoples still have "connections" with the past. Let's learn to discern for what purpose symbols are used, for cultural development or for inciting violence! In the threat or call to "break Latvians with a swastika" for the demonstration of cultural heritage, the swastika is used in a negative way. But I agree with the official position of the KHL - the place for such demonstrations was not chosen very well.
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 22 November 2013 12: 04
                +4
                Do you really believe that Latvians did this without a second thought?
                And yes, at the genetic level, the swastika = hitler is visible to me. Any manifestation of it causes mixed feelings.
                Regime and hold accountable for its propaganda,

                So Latvia is the most that there is an example of propaganda and their neighbors.
                Oga, and the marches of electricians are the good rites of Spring and the Sun. Nonsense!
                1. Canep
                  Canep 22 November 2013 12: 12
                  +1
                  They really did this Klim without a second thought, two thoughts simply do not fit into their heads (only at different times and with an interval of half an hour), they had only one thought to show the swastika a la SS, songs about the symbol of the sun - for oligophrenics.
                  1. klimpopov
                    klimpopov 22 November 2013 12: 20
                    +3
                    Swastika a la SS, songs about the symbol of the sun - for oligophrenics.

                    Here I am about the same! And you can also say that the parade of electricians at 9 in May is a celebration of spring and the Sun. Rave? Of course! Definitely! They knew very well that this would cause the shit to boil in Russia, so they also throw here about the fact that this is an ancient Slavic symbol and the like. By the way, our youth who are looking for romance in all of this German (especially those who ride tanks) also sing a song about what these ancient symbols are about and so on. But you won’t fool me.
                    And yet, by all accounts, Estonians are closer to the Slavs even anthropologically. As for the Latvians, I won’t tell you - for too long their Fritzes have been fucking up and down since the 11 century.
                    Well, I don’t say anything about the hostility of the USSR)))) If it weren’t for Grandfather Lenin, then they would have got the hell out of it and not the state.)))) Although now they seem to have a state, but anyway ...
                    1. Canep
                      Canep 22 November 2013 12: 39
                      +2
                      The roots of this symbol are not important, it is important what it is now. If a white dove were painted on SS tanks, now it would not be associated by anyone as a symbol of peace, and it would be forbidden to draw anywhere.
                      1. klimpopov
                        klimpopov 22 November 2013 12: 41
                        0
                        I'm absolutely about it too!
                    2. mark021105
                      mark021105 22 November 2013 18: 28
                      +1
                      Quote: klimpopov
                      For too long, their Fritzes have been snubbed since the 11th century.


                      good laughing lol

                      I’ve been laughing for ten minutes already ... laughing
                2. puskarinkis
                  puskarinkis 22 November 2013 12: 46
                  +6
                  Living in the Baltics and being Russian, I can distinguish on the spot where is the propaganda of Nazism, where is the manifestation of national culture, and where is the use of this culture for political purposes. I am categorically opposed to equating Soviet symbols with Nazi and glorification of the "forest brothers" and the SS, as well as other methods of brainwashing. The basis of state policy in the Baltics is opposing oneself to Russia. But the common people have cultural traditions that are very peculiar, but well developed. National art. There are many bands in the Baltics and they perform a lot and with pleasure. The fact that they got into the ice rink is completely normal. In the performance itself, national symbols and ornaments are used, but it does not pass under the bravura marches. If one of the organizers wanted to give a reason to dream up in this way, then let's think in a positive way and not succumb to possible provocations.
                  1. klimpopov
                    klimpopov 22 November 2013 12: 55
                    0
                    Another bazaar!
                3. Aleks tv
                  Aleks tv 22 November 2013 13: 09
                  +1
                  Quote: klimpopov
                  Do you really believe that Latvians did this without a second thought?

                  Great question, Klim.
                  All the Balts know about the swastika.
                  The bleating about the ancient symbol is an attempt to set foot with a naive mug ...

                  This is a manifestation of "Nazism" in its pure form or "anti-Russianism" which is now fashionable in the Baltic countries.
              2. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 22 November 2013 13: 04
                +3
                Quote: puskarinkis
                No need to so swiftly tie the swastika to Nazism. The symbol is not to blame for how it is used!


                Yes, the symbol of the swastika has great roots and has many very serious interpretations.
                Yes, this is one of the symbols of the sun.
                It is for this reason that the Nazis made the Swastika one of their symbols !!!!!!!!!!!! There is too much meaning in it.

                The swastika is defiled. And it is not just words.

                And Latvians are well aware of this. They pretend to be a naive sheep: "ah, this is an ancient symbol" ...
                They are not stupid.
                And the propaganda of the swastika is not the first time for them.

                There are two options:
                A) THIS IS AN EXPLICIT PROVOCATION.
                B) IT IS NEAR FASCISM as an idea.

                And the first and second are quite logical.
                -First point: the Balts are ready to sell the soul to the devil if they can annoy the eastern neighbor.
                -According to the second point: it is proved that the Balts joyfully welcomed the Nazis, slaughtered Communist families, and shot Jews.

                So I DO NOT NEED LA ABOUT THE NAIVE TALE ABOUT ANCIENT SYMBOL.
                This hockey demonstration is either "A" or "B".
                1. klimpopov
                  klimpopov 22 November 2013 13: 14
                  +1
                  This hockey demonstration is either "A" or "B".

                  Or both.
              3. DEfindER
                DEfindER 22 November 2013 17: 17
                0
                Quote: puskarinkis
                and not incite rejection of the symbol that Our ancestors used for hundreds of years, and maybe more.

                In general, a symbol carries a semantic load of more than a thousand words, because symbolized everything that was happening in the world from 1939-1945. and therefore is the strongest propaganda. And people all over the world are more likely to remember precisely fascism than ancient Lithuanian traditions ..
              4. carbofo
                carbofo 22 November 2013 20: 42
                -1
                Quote: puskarinkis
                Let's begin to blame people who wear the cross for propaganda of violence and torture! Recall the Holy Inquisition and the Crusades! One must remember the crimes of the Hitler regime and hold him accountable for his propaganda, and not incite aversion to the symbol used by our ancestors for hundreds of years

                Kick this liberal for me.
                Nazi symbol, period.
                Any discussion we are a nation and trawl la for centuries, all go to the forest machine guns.
                Nazi and the point.
                fools cannot call fools because they are fools, so you cannot call the Nazi symbol Nazi if you are a Nazi yourself.
                Christianity can be different, Catholic didn’t miss out, cut out the rebellious villages, what garbage a village was - there is no village.
                Your development in cultural profile is no longer visible behind the minuses, this is an occasion to think that something is wrong with the views.
            3. puskarinkis
              puskarinkis 22 November 2013 11: 59
              -6
              If no crime was found in the actions of people on the stage, then it was not. There is no need to tie the swastika so zealously to Nazism. The symbol is not to blame for the way it is used! Let's start accusing people wearing a cross of promoting violence and torture! Let's remember the Holy Inquisition and the Crusades! It is necessary to remember the crimes of the Hitlerite regime and hold accountable for its propaganda, and not incite rejection to the symbol that our ancestors used for hundreds of years, and maybe more. If you do not know, the same Lithuanians resisted Christianity the longest and these peoples still have "connections" with the past. Let's learn to discern for what purpose symbols are used, for cultural development or for inciting violence! In the threat or call to "break Latvians with a swastika" for the demonstration of cultural heritage, the swastika is used in a negative way. But I agree with the official position of the KHL - the place for such demonstrations was not chosen very well.
          2. Namejs
            Namejs 22 November 2013 14: 48
            -3
            Quote: klimpopov
            Do not lie

            This symbol now embodies fascism and Hitler worship, in fact it is satanic or is on a par with it (if not worse).


            for the church, everything that’s not a cross is Satanism :) Well, since I see you are not careful in these matters, I advise you to honor a little about symbols. google offers a lot of resources :)
            Quote: klimpopov
            And using it by you is an attempt to provoke at least some sort of pop-pain in Russia and those countries in which they fought against Fascism

            You think a lot about yourself :)

            Quote: klimpopov
            since there are no other options besides the one described above, well, you don’t have to spoil sprat in each jar. We do not buy sprats, the first remains.

            what can I say - you know little about Latvia;) that’s what you really have sincerely is hatred and anger
            And about products in Latvia, for some reason, demand in Russia is clearly growing :)

            Quote: klimpopov
            now does not use.
            By the way, where are the Jews?


            Everything is good with the Jews, they know the history of Latvia well (unlike many in Russia) and have no complaints
            Quote: klimpopov
            By the way, you returned the tank estam al diesel fuel is over? Didn’t get there?
            I sincerely mock you and let me be banned, but it was worth it!)))))


            Estonians have no tanks yet. In Latvia there are 3. And they are not counted as a combat unit but as training equipment.

            And I admire your gloating- Yes, we have a small army. Ground forces are composed of only one brigade, and so what? But here, for almost 10 years, soldiers have been walking in their most modern uniforms (in Russia, it’s just right now) and they are stationed at the training ground. One infantryman fires an over 1000-1500 cartridge for at least a year, and not only that soldiers in Russia are obliged to clear the snow and the cantons and collars are hemmed. shoot 5-10 cartridge for service life :)
            Well, of course, of course, Russian soldiers are often bullied over Russian soldiers. The Internet is full of photos

            And still, in the Latvian Armed Forces there are a lot of Russians who are loyal to Latvia (for some reason they reluctantly serve in Russia or move to Russia)

            Quote: klimpopov
            By the way, I propose to invoice Latvia for the Latvian shooters)))))


            But can Kokaya be responsible for Latvia for Latvian shooters?
            Yes, no- Latvian arrows were Lenin's mercenaries and they themselves fought against independent Latvia.

            At this point, why did you think that all of the Russian Empire at the time of the revolution were only Latvian units that were combat-ready? Yes, and just do how a small amount of Laticea could put all the RI on the ears?
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 22 November 2013 15: 19
              +2
              for the church, everything that’s not a cross is Satanism :) Well, since I see you are not careful in these matters, I advise you to honor a little about symbols. google offers a lot of resources :)

              Empty words! For some reason the church did not understand the promise.
              Passed on to the person - says that there is nothing to answer. ;) A reference to Google without specifics. it's yours))))))
              You think a lot about yourself :)

              Oh yes, sorry, I forgot. 1 / 6 part of the land thinks a lot about itself)))))))))
              what can I say - you know little about Latvia;) that’s what you really have sincerely is hatred and anger
              And about products in Latvia, for some reason, demand in Russia is clearly growing :)

              Verbatim, let's lay out. Otherwise, just chatter;) By the way, why in the plural?)))
              Estonians have no tanks yet. In Latvia there are 3. And they are not counted as a combat unit but as training equipment.

              And I admire your gloating- Yes, we have a small army. Ground forces are composed of only one brigade, and so what? But here, for almost 10 years, soldiers have been walking in their most modern uniforms (in Russia, it’s just right now) and they are stationed at the training ground. One infantryman fires an over 1000-1500 cartridge for at least a year, and not only that soldiers in Russia are obliged to clear the snow and the cantons and collars are hemmed. shoot 5-10 cartridge for service life :)
              Well, of course, of course, Russian soldiers are often bullied over Russian soldiers. The Internet is full of photos

              And still, in the Latvian Armed Forces there are a lot of Russians who are loyal to Latvia (for some reason they reluctantly serve in Russia or move to Russia)

              In general, the purest water vb.ros))))) Consisting of a little more than completely from newspaper stamps of "independent" perception of reality by obtaining "facts" from a box-washing infernal machine.
              And what about modern uniforms and weapons, do you believe?
              At the expense of the officers. I have nothing against who once decided to stay and become a general. Without them, your army Ker.dyk no matter how you wouldn’t call them Sov.kami.
              But can Kokaya be responsible for Latvia for Latvian shooters?
              Yes, no- Latvian arrows were Lenin's mercenaries and they themselves fought against independent Latvia.

              At this point, why did you think that all of the Russian Empire at the time of the revolution were only Latvian units that were combat-ready? Yes, and just do how a small amount of Laticea could put all the RI on the ears?

              This is my message was as an easy troll.ing you dear.
              Again, you took it seriously. Again, you have a perception of postsov.kovoe not obtained by you by reading many books on the subject and absorbed from liberal sources)))
              Why Latvian Riflemen? Well, consider our answer for talking about "acupants" with a hammer and sickle in their hands. That would not forget about who made the revolution and that would remember what grandfather Lenin did for you.

              Thank you for answering!
              Hatred? Hmm, maybe. But think about why. By and large, I don’t care about you here, we have other problems and our aboriginal genes are behind the ridge.
              So shi my young "friend" all by ....

              Py Sy why keep quiet about Soviet symbols? I asked a question.
              Well, about the tanks - the people themselves are mocking)))))))
            2. Ptah
              Ptah 22 November 2013 15: 44
              +2
              Quote: Namejs
              what can I say - you know little about Latvia;) that’s what you really have sincerely is hatred and anger

              There is manekho. Or maybe jealousy? Maybe they wouldn’t scream all kinds of slogans in 90, you see, they would be friends at home now.
              By old friendship, you would have received not only a tank, but a whole tank regiment. And even the Iskander division would be allowed to use it.
              Trust me, I don't consider you an enemy. God willing we will live and the "prodigal brothers" will again fall to the warm side (not a tit !!!) of Russia. In my opinion, it is better to have friendship with the Baldeans than with the Asians.
              My advice. Tie little brother on this topic to graze. Not because your posts cause anger and hatred, but because "ALL THE SPEAKED WORDS WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU." Give us, dear, the opportunity to "wash your bones".
              The "Russian bear" will growl, break a couple of groves, and calm down. Then we'll talk constructively ...
              With respect. hi drinks
            3. carbofo
              carbofo 22 November 2013 20: 47
              -1
              Quote: Namejs
              for the church all that is not cross is Satanism

              It depends on the church, for most faiths the rest are at least competitors, and even direct enemies.
              Orthodox Christianity and Buddhists have a different point of view.
            4. samoletil18
              samoletil18 22 November 2013 20: 53
              -2
              Everything is good with the Jews, they know the history of Latvia well (unlike many in Russia) and have no complaints

              They are afraid to get to Salaspils.
              NOT with verbs is written separately.
        4. T-73
          T-73 22 November 2013 11: 21
          0
          Is our anger amusing? Let's see who will be funny when the bear gets angry. However, it’s enough after all, it will only roar properly at the mongrel, which barks and barks everything, cannot calm down
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 22 November 2013 11: 33
            0
            That sprat on a troll zashol. Or just sado-maso) They only get it. They cannot stand out more than anything at the state level or at the household level. Well, they still like to cut out Soviet veterans because they can’t resist anymore. And they choose it exclusively without relatives. Because they know that one average statistical family from Russia (with a healthy lifestyle) is able to cut out half of Latvia (and maybe the whole). At the same time, the Russian authorities do not pay much attention to this because they are busy with their daily affairs (which incidentally fall under certain articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation).
            By the way, they have Jurmala from incomes, which if it weren’t for the Russian showbiz, it would not have brought any special income either. In general, the situation is not enviable. At the same time, they still produce sprats, but analogues of other countries are much tastier. .. National dish, three sprats laid on gray bread ...
            http://lurkmore.to/%D0%9B%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8B%D1%88%D0%B8
            1. Namejs
              Namejs 22 November 2013 15: 07
              -3
              And besides spratav, what do you know about Latvia? no facts, just one malice.

              and there is no national nasti in Latvia. In addition to some marginal "Russians" like Tatyana Zhdanok, Vladimir Linderman or Yakov Pliner, someone has no claims.

              Well, talking about nationalism. He is different from us
              And by the way, we have a nationalist- In Russia, outright neo-fascists of the Shivinists
              1. Same lech
                Same lech 22 November 2013 15: 11
                +1
                It’s like you, we are peaceful guys and we are all enemies of LATVIA.
                You’ll sing about the friendship of nations to us, we didn’t start it, in the 90s you traveled well in Russian.
                1. andrei332809
                  andrei332809 22 November 2013 21: 30
                  0
                  Quote: The same LYOKHA
                  You still sing about the friendship of nations

              2. klimpopov
                klimpopov 22 November 2013 15: 34
                0
                Ha ha! As a reinforcement of the words demotivator. I repeat all your words zilch and empty sound! Let's get the facts!
                but there is no national pre-competition in Latvia.

                I, too, can say so about my Caucasus)))) Is that true ?!))) By the way, what’s with your passports?
                And by the way, we have a nationalist- In Russia, outright neo-fascists of the Shivinists

                Are you talking about?

                Again, all by)))
              3. Zaslavsky-S
                Zaslavsky-S 24 November 2013 16: 55
                +2
                I was born and raised in Latvia. so you little rotten little people know. interrupted so many of your faces!
          2. Namejs
            Namejs 22 November 2013 14: 58
            -8
            Well, you think so of unity — many of your compatriots think differently — I think of those entrepreneurs, for example, for some reason they like more in Latvia than in Russia. Yes, of course you are stronger in Latvia and you can brag about the size but what good?
            Yes, we have a lot of serious problems, but we are solving them, and our situation is not so hopeless as in Russia

            I was amused by the poster (Russian deals by the way)
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 22 November 2013 15: 12
              +2
              You have already buried us in a hopeless situation, you my friend dreamer.
            2. amigo1969
              amigo1969 22 November 2013 15: 22
              +6
              Come on! YOU are hopeless !! I visited Latvia recently ... Poverty, devastation, youth all in Europe, everything collapsed !!!!! Car Park - Russia of the 90s. Any Siberian or Ural regional city will give odds to Riga ... Take off your pink glasses and don’t read the European Union newspapers for the night !!!
              1. Namejs
                Namejs 24 November 2013 15: 48
                -2
                Yes, yes :) Well, for some reason, they are fleeing from Russia to Latvia and not vice versa. All attempts to return compatriots back failed shamefully. Russians in Latvia either became loyal to the national state or simply do not forgive as they live better here.

                By the way, a few years ago, in the suburban city of Ivandogorod, they collected signatures on joining Estonia :) It looks like it is better in Estonia
            3. klimpopov
              klimpopov 22 November 2013 15: 39
              +3
              Well, you think so of unity — many of your compatriots think differently — I think of those entrepreneurs, for example, for some reason they like more in Latvia than in Russia. Yes, of course you are stronger in Latvia and you can brag about the size but what good?
              Yes, we have a lot of serious problems, but we are solving them, and our situation is not so hopeless as in Russia

              I was amused by the poster (Russian deals by the way)

              What do you decide there?
              Credit from the EU for mine .. oh sorry))))
              Well, you think so of unity — many of your compatriots think differently — I think of those entrepreneurs, for example, for some reason they like more in Latvia than in Russia.

              Lies! What do you do there and what kind of "businessmen"? The thieves? Which in Russia will be imprisoned and there is no money for England?
              Do not forget, it will become shitty in Russia - you will simply be washed off then.

              Well, and an epic poster made by a clumsy schoolboy with a mention of the Olympiad, the apogee of "debunking" myths and bringing the evil "rush.ki" into the open.

              Of course, where are we going to Latvia? The most powerful economy in the world, the most powerful army that can literally crush the whole of Russia, but what can it be, together with China)))))


              Oh, I’ve killed))))) At least on Friday I got a horse on a rust. Most importantly, what would not be for a ban))))
              1. Namejs
                Namejs 24 November 2013 16: 24
                -2
                Quote: klimpopov
                What do you decide there?
                Credit from the EU for mine .. oh sorry))))

                You are also completely illiterate about the functioning of the EU.
                In addition to the high vis-à-vis distortions, I didn’t hear anything from you here :)

                For some reason, it seems to me that you are confusing things like the EU budget with international financial assistance in 2009-2011. So, as soon as two years the program has been successfully completed, and so far Latvia is one of the growing economies in the EU. We even invest in a strict framework of criteria for conducting the euro (by the way, what percentage of inflation is now in Russia?). And it is planned to pay off the entire debt for international assistance in 2015.

                The second thing is that the European budget is distributed according to the needs of each EU member.
                Quote: klimpopov
                Lies! What do you do there and what kind of "businessmen"? The thieves? Which in Russia will be imprisoned and there is no money for England?
                Do not forget, it will become shitty in Russia - you will simply be washed off then.

                Well, and an epic poster made by a clumsy schoolboy with a mention of the Olympiad, the apogee of "debunking" myths and bringing the evil "rush.ki" into the open.

                Of course, where are we going to Latvia? The most powerful economy in the world, the most powerful army that can literally crush the whole of Russia, but what can it be, together with China)))))



                capital and entrepreneurs look where it is better. In Russia, in principle, entrepreneurs have never been priceless. And surely, they work best and live better than the rest :)

                Alas, I have imposed restrictions on the number of posts. I am alone and there are many opponents :)

                More specifically, the situation in Russia is becoming hopeless and I see no signs that something will change for the better

                About the Russian economy briefly.

                Industrial growth for 10 months of 2013 - 0%
                http://www.finmarket.ru/main/article/3552302

                Ruble will not help anything
                http://www.finmarket.ru/main/article/3552420

                The state has no more money, farmers owe 1,8 trillion rubles to banks, the budget owes farmers a billion dollars.
                http://www.finmarket.ru/main/article/3548823

                CBR: inflationary expectations above 11%
                http://www.finmarket.ru/main/article/3549361

                According to the results of the year, the Ministry of Finance wants to take 100 billion rubles from the Reserve Fund to cover the budget deficit.
                http://www.finmarket.ru/main/article/3550671

                The law enforcers are returned the right to initiate criminal cases of tax crimes without the sanction of the specialized service.
                http://www.finmarket.ru/main/article/3551542
          3. samoletil18
            samoletil18 22 November 2013 20: 58
            0
            Is our anger amusing? Let's see who will be funny when the bear gets angry. However, it’s enough after all, it will only roar properly at the mongrel, which barks and barks everything, cannot calm down

            There is a parade of the Latvian army on the u-tube. The commentator said the technique is powerful. There are even rubber boats. only he did not indicate where they would run away. To Poland? Or to Finland?
            1. Namejs
              Namejs 24 November 2013 16: 32
              -2
              And about your nit-picking about the army they amuse even more :) it’s clear that a country with 2 million can’t bear the load from Russia. We have a small but compliant army where all the professionals are. There, no one peels potatoes and does not paint grass. Soldiers constantly at the training ground. Soldiers in uniforms in the latest form have been around 7 years while in Russia, right now, they are just moving to the form of a new orbaz. I will not compare the number of pistol munitions and training aids of Latvia and Russia.
              In other words, not in power parades, but in professionalism of soldiers. here Russia has something to envy.

              And our strength is in coalition with NATO. As the data of wikileaks show, there is a plan "defender eagle" shortly foresees the deployment of 11 divisions of the British, Americans and Germans in the Baltic and in Poland. As Russian military experts say, Russia does not have the ability to resist such a force.

              You can further laugh about the small Latvian armed forces. We are like goose water :)
              1. builder
                builder 24 November 2013 16: 52
                +1
                Quote: Namejs
                with 2 million it’s not possible for Russia.

                I wanted to ask, then what was the hall .... smiling all the time. Yes, I look, he answered
                And our strength is in coalition with NATO. As the data of wikileaks show, there is a plan "eagle defender" shortly foresees to deploy 11 divisions of the British, Americans and Germans in the Baltic States and Poland

                Hope in vain. Did West Poland or Czechoslovakia help a lot? Yes, and Georgia is not particularly in 2008. No one in the well-fed Europe will not fit for you the wimps.
                You can further laugh about the small Latvian armed forces.

                We will continue to laugh because we behave like clowns. Natsik unfinished. Would take an example from the Finns. However, to teach a fool = only to spoil.
                We are like goose water :)

                They at least ssy in the eyes of all the dew of God.
        5. Revolver
          Revolver 22 November 2013 11: 44
          12
          Quote: Namejs
          How amuse me your anger :)
          the swastika, he is the cross of the cross, the cross of fire, and so on is almost the whole world used by the ancient symbol of Kotor. The fact that this symbol was misled by Hitler is another matter.
          .
          Well, in Latvia this symbol is still used in cultural events and there is no relation to Hitlerism.

          Quite a cheerful, cheerful logic. In that case, I hope you will not be offended if I say that you are gay [Gay]. After all, initially this English word meant "cheerful, cheerful", but the fact that the students have appropriated it and, in your opinion, "fucked up", should not offend you. After all, it directly follows from your logic about the swastika, you are our gentlemen.
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 22 November 2013 11: 58
            +3
            So he will not be offended! What is the truth offended?
          2. Namejs
            Namejs 22 November 2013 15: 16
            -3
            No, I don’t take offense at you - insult is a sign of misunderstanding, and I understand well why many of you are so angry and hate the Baltic countries. I well understand that many are "enraged" that this is not Russia, that we do not share your views on our history, I understand everything. I know your move, but I believe that rare of you (opponents in the discussion and also the author of the article) don’t know our view of our common history. Therefore, you will be overwhelmed with anger every time we do something that does not correspond to your values. and that pichal- you are not interested in why we (battles) think differently :)

            It’s easier for you to call all of us fascists ungrateful and for good reason for what and why.
            Speaking of fascists, your grandfathers fought for it?
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 22 November 2013 15: 25
              +2
              No, of course, our grandfathers from those times in 1941 would have shot this without thinking right on the spot.
              Now we have tolerance and tolerance unfortunately.
            2. klimpopov
              klimpopov 22 November 2013 15: 42
              +5
              Ie parades of fascists in your squares is this a great blessing in fact? Cutting out WWII veterans demolition of WWII monuments and so on ?!)))
              Thickly young man.
              we do not share your views on our history; I understand that.

              And what are your views on your story?
              You have never flashed knowledge. Just chatter ...))))
              1. Namejs
                Namejs 24 November 2013 16: 49
                -6
                Quote: klimpopov
                Ie parades of fascists in your squares is this a great blessing in fact? Cutting out WWII veterans demolition of WWII monuments and so on ?!)))
                Thickly young man.

                the fact is that these parades of "fascists" are nazivyautsa as such in Russia. In Latvia it is a memorable day for legionnaires. If you would have better honored the verdicts of the Nurnberg Tribunal, then it would have become clear to you that the Latvian and Estonian waffen SS divisions are not war criminals, since
                1. military units did not appear to be part of the SS organization, although they obeyed and wore the SS form.
                2. The Estonian and Latvian Legion called for unity in Kotor by force
                3. 15. and 19. divisions never participated in punitive operations

                Well, your TV-player doesn’t understand such details, and even there’s nothing to do with the pre-race!

                Quote: klimpopov
                Cutting out WWII veterans demolition of WWII monuments and so on ?!)))
                Thickly young man.

                I don’t know where you read this about the veterans (probably read another propaganda of "pure" Russians Tatyani Zhdanik or Yakov Pliner)? Even last year, the president launched a campaign to match veterans who fought on both sides of the front.

                and about the monuments, you are too earnest to give heart to the distortion of individual populist politicians as well as the unsuccessful interpretation of Russian media. Well, if the historian says that such a monument is better not to be insignificant, that he is campaigning about demolition. The monument is a monument and it will remain there forever (the agreement between Russia and Latvia foresees the preservation of such monuments). And since this monument is unpleasant, this is the same if you had a monument to Goebels or Himmler in Moscow, especially rejoiced.

                Quote: klimpopov
                And what are your views on your story?
                You have never flashed knowledge. Just chatter ...))))

                very briefly, the USSR is an offensive system that was treacherous and mean to Latvia and caused enormous damage to the state using deception and brutal force. In other words, there is no difference between the Nazis and the Soviets.

                Tembolee Russia as a receiver of the USSR does not recognize the crimes of the USSR. How do we feel then? Would you try to sympathize with Germany if they said that Hitler did everything right in Russia?
            3. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 22 November 2013 15: 45
              +9
              Quote: Namejs
              why many of you are so embittered and hate the Baltic countries.

              Or maybe the other way around?

              This is after YOU:
              - prohibition of the Russian language
              - inability to obtain a passport to the Russian-speaking
              - demolition of monuments of the USSR and Victory
              - harassment of WWII veterans
              - the prohibition of Soviet symbols
              - the survival of all indiscriminately except the Baltic nations
              - loyalty to the punishers who are in the service of Nazi Germany
              - salary for a military threat from the East (tries you surrendered to us ...)
              - salary for all kinds of oppression from the East

              Next to list? The list is big ...

              US has no such actions and deeds in relation to the Baltic countries.
              YOU HAVE A WAGON of such ACTIONS and ACTIONS.
              It is real actions and not words. So who is embittered at whom then?

              And our attitude to THIS ... no, we do not hate (we don’t need it), but we DO NOT UNDERSTAND:
              - How is it possible to oppress WWII veterans?
              - How is the celebration of punishers possible?
              - How is it possible to destroy the monuments of Victory?
              - How is it possible to promote the swastika, stupidly hiding behind the type of ancient "symbolism"?
              No need to "turn on the fool", everything is in plain sight.

              Live peacefully and respect universal human values, do not water others - and nobody will even touch you with a word.

              That’s the whole story. But you do not do this, it is not profitable for you.

              For example:
              - if you do not shout about the military threat in the East, you will cease to be protected by NATO aviation on a rotational basis, which is now being made for FREE.
              - if you do not shout about oppression from the East, you will not be favorably received in the EU.
              - and so it is possible to justify all of the above ....
              This is YOUR POLICY.

              IMHO.
              With respect to the people themselves, but not to the politics and politicians of the Baltic states.
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 22 November 2013 15: 50
                +3
                SchA he will tell us more about the bloody gebnyu and then a full bouquet))))))
              2. Thirsty for wind
                Thirsty for wind 23 November 2013 02: 43
                0
                Obviously, they are in a desire to lick the boss, try their best.
                Only the fools are not aware that with a shecher, no one will subscribe for them. There were examples. Repeatedly.
                On the other hand, who needs this tribaltic in today's reality? Well, if only as a "hedgehog" close to Russia.
              3. Namejs
                Namejs 24 November 2013 17: 08
                -2
                Quote: Aleks tv
                prohibition of the Russian language

                Where is the Russian language prohibited in Latvia? he does not appear to be state-owned and sensible. The state even contains a Russian radio channel (Latvian Radio 4 (LR 4). On LR 1 it broadcasts in Latvian). As well as airtime on state television. I’m not talking about Russian schools and libraries, etc.)

                Quote: Aleks tv
                the inability to obtain a passport to the Russian-speaking

                Like no. All you need to do is to take an exam for state language. In Latvia, more than 150 Russian speakers who have already received citizenship. One must have a clear desire. There are even free language courses.
                see below for statistics
                Quote: Aleks tv
                demolition of monuments of the USSR and Victory

                where did they demolish at least one monument? In addition to the criminal Lenin (although in Russia they did the same)
                Quote: Aleks tv
                oppression of WWII veterans

                Where is at least one pretension? Where did you get that?
                The president even launched a campaign on the examples of veterans
                Quote: Aleks tv
                prohibition of Soviet symbols

                Of course, because the Soviet government was criminal. a significant part of the population suffered from repression and the country as a whole suffered tremendous losses from advice.
                advise on us a glance what doesn’t differ from Hitler’s Ludex regime

                Quote: Aleks tv
                indiscriminately the survival of all but the Baltic nations

                Where? when? You look at the names of deputies of the Sejm on police officers and the army ..
                until recently, there were Yuri Maklokov, Air Force commanders, Colonel Stepanov, Air Force commanders. The mayor of Riga is also Russian Neil Ushakov. Mayors the second largest city of Daugavpils for a long time was Zhanna Kulakova ..

                What do you call a grudge?

                Quote: Aleks tv
                loyalty to punishers in the service of Nazi Germany

                I have already written and presented evidence that the legionnaires of the 15 and 19 divisions are not war criminals.

                Quote: Aleks tv
                - salary for a military threat from the East (tries you surrendered to us ...)
                - salary for all kinds of oppression from the East

                Well, it is. Russia is constantly trying to weaken our position. Constantly supports dissatisfaction, showing distorted information about Latvia. Everybody prevents to renew the energy independence of Russia. That is all true.

                And the Russian media traditionally distort information. Well, for example, the same memorable day legionare. They talk about the detention of hooligans from the so-called anti-fascists, but not a word about the detention of neo-Nazis. It turns out that power is on the side of some neo-Nazis there.
                1. builder
                  builder 24 November 2013 17: 21
                  +2
                  in the operation "Spring Festival" (Frühlingsfest), which was carried out from April 11 to May 4, 1944 against partisans and civilians of the Ushachsko-Lepel zone on the territory of Belarus, as part of the "Ekkeln group" hostilities and punitive actions were carried out not only by the 2nd Liepaja and 3rd Cesis police regiments with the participation of the 5th Latvian border regiment, but also units of the 15th Waffen-SS grenadier division (1st Latvian).
                  Documents giving an idea of ​​the punitive activity in the Leningrad and Novgorod regions of the gendarmerie company, which was organizationally part of the 19th Latvian SS division, were assigned to the Russian military archive (RGVA), which in certain cases was assigned the personnel of other combat parts and divisions of this compound. In particular, on December 18, 1943, in the village of Zalya Gora, west of Novgorod, about 250 civilians were executed; in early January 1944, the aforementioned unit participated in mass executions in the city of Chudovo, Leningrad Region; On January 21, in the village of Glukhaya, about 200 people were locked up in a barn and shot from machine guns. In total, from December 18, 1943 to April 2, 1944, the personnel of the 19th Latvian SS division participated in punitive actions, during which 23 villages were destroyed (up to 13 people were shot in 1.300 of them).
                  Details: http://www.regnum.ru/news/1527848.html#ixzz2lZJXiJPs
                  Another well-known example concerns the executions and burning alive in the village of Podhae (Wielkopolska Voivodeship) of Polish prisoners of war, which, according to the Polish investigation, hot on the trail, were committed between January 31 - February 2, 1945 by soldiers and officers of the 34th regiment of the 15th Latvian division of the Waffen-SS, which was part of the combat group "Elster". In 2002, a monument was erected in Poland at the site of the tragedy
                  1. builder
                    builder 24 November 2013 17: 33
                    +1
                    The criminal organization of the SS was generally recognized by the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal, which ruled that “the SS was used for purposes that are criminal under the Charter and include the persecution and extermination of Jews, atrocities and murders in concentration camps, excesses committed during the administration of the occupied territories, in the life of the program of using slave labor, cruel treatment of prisoners of war and their murder ... Considering the issue of the SS, the Tribunal includes here all persons who were not officially accepted as members of the SS, including members of the “general SS”, SS troops (“Waffen-SS”), SS Dead Head units and members of any kind of police services that were members of the SS ... The Tribunal declares the group criminal according to the definition of the Charter consisting of persons who were officially accepted as members of the SS ... were members of this organization or remained its members, knowing that this organization is used to carry out acts determined by criminal acts in accordance with Article 6 of the Charter ... Criminal activity was widely known members of the organization in order to justify the recognition of the SS a criminal organization. " Moreover, the Tribunal found that “it follows from Article 10 of the Charter that the decision to criminalize the accused organization is final and cannot be challenged at any subsequent trial in the case of individual members of organizations”. And, as the sentence clearly implies, the Latvian legion was also recognized as criminal, because The Tribunal included Waffen-SS members and members of any kind of police services in the SS, stressing that "it is impossible to single out any part of the SS that would not take part in this criminal activity." Separately, the Tribunal “noted” the activities of the SS divisions, indicating that “the SS divisions are responsible for the many killings and atrocities in the occupied territories ...”. Nuremberg trials. The collection of materials in 8 volumes. Volume 8. Moscow, Legal literature, 1997, S.652.

                    Source: http://2cafe.net/15190-istoriya-latyshskogo-legiona-ss-tolko-fakty.html#ixzz2lZN
                    wwTTh
                2. Aleks tv
                  Aleks tv 24 November 2013 22: 13
                  +1
                  Quote: Namejs
                  I have already written and presented evidence that the legionnaires of the 15 and 19 divisions are not war criminals.


                  After such phrases ... it is useless to communicate with you.
        6. LENINGRADE
          LENINGRADE 22 November 2013 11: 48
          +8
          it’s just your anger! and the instinct of a mongrel trying to bite an elephant! and to us, by and large, by the ... th!
          1. Namejs
            Namejs 22 November 2013 15: 25
            -2
            If you would have been vseravno- such articles would not evoke such a reaction from you :)

            but it’s always been interesting for me to talk about my country here, and how I make sure every time

            1. nothing but sprats and a balsam about Latvia will recognize anything

            2. even the sentences of the Nuremberg tribunal are nullified and everyone else thinks that the Latvian SS legion are war criminals :)

            3. They don’t know anything about those Russians who are loyal to Latvia and despise that lawlessness and disorder of the creatures of Twarits in Russia. Russians and Latvians live very well together.
            As the deputy of the Sejm of Latvia Andrey Yudin said - I am a Latvian of Russian origin
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 22 November 2013 15: 35
              +7
              But how do you explain this - the Russians supported you and your government answered them with black ingratitude.
              1. Namejs
                Namejs 24 November 2013 17: 42
                -1
                Very simply, these are people who can’t accept in any way that Latvia is an independent state and here Russia is no longer bigger. Although what prevents them from applying for citizenship, you just need to know the Latvian language at a certain level. But if a person lives in the country for more than 30 years and can’t do this, then what?

                And what is the difference between citizens and non-citizens, in one sense, the right to vote. Social and constitutional protection is the same for some as for others.

                And yet, you read the names of these Russian-speaking defenders, some Jews — Pliner, Zhdanok, Linderman, Hilarion Gere ...
            2. klimpopov
              klimpopov 22 November 2013 15: 44
              +2
              3. They don’t know anything about those Russians who are loyal to Latvia and despise that lawlessness and disorder of the creatures of Twarits in Russia. Russians and Latvians live very well together.
              As the deputy of the Sejm of Latvia Andrey Yudin said - I am a Latvian of Russian origin

              No one is against it. Live on health.
              2. even the sentences of the Nuremberg tribunal are nullified and everyone else thinks that the Latvian SS legion are war criminals :)

              Oh baby, something new.))))))
              1. nothing but sprats and a balsam about Latvia will recognize anything

              Because there is nothing else.
              Well, women’s make pants too.
              1. Namejs
                Namejs 24 November 2013 17: 53
                -1
                classic high-visibility-for example, the company -Mirkotīkls produces and develops wi fi technologies and equipment. Latvia is also a leading manufacturer of optical cabile. Neglecting to restore the production of buses and plans in the near future to begin production vagovan for Uralvagonzavod.

                Well, in any case, our economy, to a large extent (especially after the crisis of 2009), is balancing on export, and little by little the economy becomes industry.
                At the same time, industry in stagnation in Russia. Even at the economic forum in St. Petersburg, Russia properly suffered a shame on this issue.
                Alas, in Russia everything is kept exclusively on oil and gas

                here is an onda of the few articles and will impart Russia's industry
                http://www.km.ru/economics/2013/07/30/ekonomika-i-finansy/716866-promyshlennost-
                stala-ballastom
            3. samoletil18
              samoletil18 22 November 2013 22: 21
              +1
              Something Russian faces are frightened in the photo.
              1. nothing but sprats and a balsam about Latvia will recognize anything

              Military unit 42216 (Sughi) 1988-1990. By virtue of the service, I hung around Riga enough. Outside of politics, the dearest people. And so, the Russians are to blame for everything. WEF, RAF work? Probably because of the Victory Monument.
              By the way. the Dynamo Riga team has become something noticeable thanks to V. Tikhonov. And very many in Russia perceive this team well. And after such national symbols? It is clear that this is the stupidity of the organizers. But, if not for the policy of the Latvian authorities, bordering on Nazism, no one would have noticed this nationalist stupidity.
              I condolences to all the relatives and friends of the victims in the collapsed shopping center in Riga.
              1. Namejs
                Namejs 24 November 2013 18: 07
                +2
                RAF (AMO PLANT now) has restored its work (although the turnover is still small). VEF was founded back in 1932 and soon produced the most compact Minox camera, which scouts from all over the world loved so much. In Soviet times, the entire industry of Latvia worked exclusively in the rest of the USSR and most of them for military needs, and after the collapse of the USSR, demand in the former USSR disappeared and in the rest of the world production of such quality was unnecessary. For investments and modernization of funds, too, was not found, although part of the enterprise could be saved.

                Well, there are enterprises that have managed to preserve themselves and are successfully operating, and now, for example, Radiotehnika, etc.


                And about the seeming Nazism, I had the opinion that Russia is very painfully experiencing the loss of the Baltic states and every step of strengthening Latvia as a national new state is perceived as something incomprehensible.
                As I already talked about the relationship between Latis and non-Latis, that the only requirement for non-Latis is the knowledge of the Latvian language. We do not want to become a second Belarusian where practical Belarusian is not spoken.
                You are dissatisfied with the fact that the entrants from Central Asia are not able to play Russian, so what are the exceptions to Latvia?

                And about the symbol, this symbol is often used in chorography and there certainly is no politics.

                And think about Nazism in Latvia, what kind of nationalism is it if the important posts in the municipality, parliament, the army and the police aren’t Latin?

                Quote: samoletil18
                I condolences to all the relatives and friends of the victims in the collapsed shopping center in Riga.

                thank. This is indeed a very mean moment in the recent history of Latvia.
            4. Revolver
              Revolver 23 November 2013 02: 36
              +1
              Quote: Namejs
              but it’s always been interesting for me to talk about my country here, and how I make sure every time

              1. nothing but sprats and a balsam about Latvia will recognize anything

              But why. I had a tube receiver "Baltika" produced by VEF.

              An excellent receiver, I listened to enemy voices on it when newer transistor ones were jammed with jammers, and this one somehow contrived to rebuild from interference. I wonder what the WEF is now producing?
              And, unfortunately, I had to ride on "rafiks" (you know, you don't ride on "fast" because of a good life). But there were no complaints about the car, an excellent van. By the way, which model is the RAF currently producing?
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 25 November 2013 05: 11
                0
                Quote: Nagan
                I wonder what the WEF is now producing?

                Quote: Nagan
                Which model, by the way, is now available at RAF?

                Well, you’re so unmerciful, picking up a aching wound, and even want to pour salt ...
          2. Namejs
            Namejs 24 November 2013 17: 37
            -2
            Well, how can I tell you. By and large, few people are interested in you while Moscow again doesn’t do any dirty tricks. So, for example, Moscow is doing all sorts of pressure to non-liberalize the gas market (for the time being, it only sells gas to LG, which Gazprom controls the controlling stake) threatening to raise prices. Although Latvia pays for gas more than Germany

            As a history enthusiast, it has always been very difficult for me to understand the logic of the majority of Russians in the course of history. That’s why I’m participating in this site and talking to navalities.
        7. washi
          washi 22 November 2013 13: 19
          0
          Slavic (Aryan) The sign of the sun is a wheel rolling clockwise - as a continuation of time.
          In your "festivities" the Nazi sign is used - counterclockwise.
          1. Namejs
            Namejs 22 November 2013 15: 28
            0
            this is exactly Hitler’s swastika went clockwise :)

            The fact is that the swastika in Latvia is used only with stylized forms (just like a swastika in its purest form) and is used only in culture events. But in Russia they use the official prohibition of the Nazi flag with a swastika. And not just someone there, but the most vehement Russian nationalists. Like this
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 22 November 2013 15: 38
              +2
              Look respected carefully in the photo and compare the differences, however, Natsik still dislike.
            2. klimpopov
              klimpopov 22 November 2013 15: 52
              +2
              Well, those patients with the flag are unambiguous, for this there is an article in Russia. So shi .. Again by. By the way, I haven’t seen Natsiks all transplanted for a long time, well, maybe only in St. Petersburg Moscow. And nebylo we never have them here))) the region is not the same.
        8. Onotollah
          Onotollah 22 November 2013 19: 39
          +2
          Quote: Namejs
          the swastika is the cross of the cross the cross of fire and so on is an ancient symbol

          Come on, stop, don't make excuses. Well, a symbol and a symbol. It happens.
          Here is a symbol with the wishes of fertility and prosperity. It will be even older than yours.
      6. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 22 November 2013 11: 57
        +1
        Quote: Ruslandeth
        I propose at the return match of this club in Russia to deploy a huge Hammer and Sickle. It is possible with a portrait of Joseph Vissarionych.) These symbols are bright, in contrast to the gavnosvastiki, but the balts are provided with a pass in memory

        The idea is good, but unfortunately the local fascists in my opinion have a law against Soviet symbols.
        On the other hand, do not forget that all this Nazi shobla is not the entire population of the Baltic republics. There are about half of the Russians, they are infringed on their rights and Russophobes are in power.
        Much more productive than shouting down with idiots, just to act "European" using their weaknesses. You just need to raise the issue of the propaganda of fascism, for example, with the exposure of the German public and the infringement of the electoral rights of Russian "non-citizens".
        It amazes me that there are no such social movements who could play these cards, although you can start collecting funds on the Internet for these projects.
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 22 November 2013 12: 26
          0
          half of the Russians, protso they are deprived of their rights and Russophobes are in power.

          Repeat
          At the same time, the Russian authorities do not pay much attention to this because they are busy with their daily affairs

          If there are half of the Russians, then simply by a majority in a referendum the Latvian region as part of the western federal district as part of the Russian Federation with all the consequences. Although the territory itself is not needed. sorry for the Russians.
          It amazes me that there are no such social movements who could play these cards, although you can start collecting funds on the Internet for these projects.

          This requires money that should give the Russian authorities, but ...
          1. Gluxar_
            Gluxar_ 22 November 2013 13: 17
            0
            Quote: klimpopov
            If there are half of the Russians, then simply by a majority in a referendum the Latvian region as part of the western federal district as part of the Russian Federation with all the consequences. Although the territory itself is not needed. sorry for the Russians.

            Everything has its time. The territory is just needed. But your voice is also needed in the camp of the West. Can you please evaluate how much Russophobia of the Baltic countries is already across the throat in Old Europe?
            Maybe there they pretend that there is nothing and some forces are happy about it, but this idle talk does not make sense. But ideological and cultural failures for Europe itself carry such tricks without a doubt. I’m saying that you just need to play these cards, though the authorities may be waiting for a more suitable moment when such an argument falls into place.
            Quote: klimpopov
            This requires money that should give the Russian authorities, but ...

            I'm against it. The state must do other things. At least there should be no direct connection with the Kremlin, for this is an argument in favor of the Nazis that Moscow is again influencing their politics. Such an initiative should come from below, from ordinary people, whose democratic and human rights have been violated. And also in the first place should be "common to all mankind European postulates" about tolerance and equality, which in no way combines with fascism and its propaganda.
            Through such examples, one can strike at all right-wing ideas throughout Europe, both in Germany and in France and England. Then the authorities will not receive in time an instrument to counter illegal migration and the Islamization of Western society. This in turn will bring a serious cultural and economic level to the West, which will give Russia time to implement its projects in its own country without strong opposition from the West, including depriving them of many criticism arguments.

            So there are many ways of what and how to do. However, Russians are at the forefront of this struggle outside Russia and they must act on their own. Or at least without direct links with the Russian Federation.
            Priser of Lithuania is very encouraging. There, Russians begin to organize themselves and fight for their rights.
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 22 November 2013 13: 27
              0
              I'm against it. The state should be engaged in other matters. At least there should not be a direct connection with the Kremlin, and

              No direct.
              From ordinary people initiative, from Russia money. Sorez Foundation as an example ...
        2. family tree
          family tree 22 November 2013 13: 53
          +2
          I propose to deploy the huge Hammer and Sickle in the second match of this club in Russia.
          Quote: Gluxar_
          The idea is good, but unfortunately the local fascists in my opinion have a law against Soviet symbols.

          They’re just BIG.
          Long live Soviet Austria wassat
      7. pahom54
        pahom54 22 November 2013 12: 19
        0
        For Ruslandeth
        No, it’s better to put a map of the European part of Russia, where the Baltic fascist lands will be ours, out of the canvases during the return match, as a result, Kaliningrad will cease to be an enclave. And do not pay attention to their cries ...
        PS And the Russian hockey players wish to hold a return match in a hard power mode. Well, they themselves know how ...
        1. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 22 November 2013 13: 20
          +1
          Quote: pahom54
          For Ruslandeth No, it’s better to put together a map of the European part of Russia from the canvases during the return match, where the Baltic fascist lands will be ours, as a result, Kaliningrad will cease to be an enclave. And do not pay attention to their cries ... PS And wish the Russian hockey players to hold a return match in a hard power mode. Well, they themselves know how ...

          Arguing with an idiot, you sink to his level. Some of the forces that make such actions are counting on such a reaction from the Russians. And then such a trick will be reprinted by all publications throughout the "Western world" in order to further root Russophobia and prevent our civilization from restoring its strength.
          If we do not answer, but only bring to the opinion of the same "Western world" what is happening in their "civilized" country, then we will use their own weapons against them with minimal effort.
      8. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 22 November 2013 13: 04
        0
        Quote: Ruslandeth
        I propose at the return match of this club in Russia to deploy a huge Hammer and Sickle. It is possible with a portrait of Joseph Vissarionych.) These symbols are bright, in contrast to the gavnosvastiki, but the balts are provided with a pass in memory

        The idea is good, but unfortunately the local fascists in my opinion have a law against Soviet symbols.
        On the other hand, do not forget that all this Nazi shobla is not the entire population of the Baltic republics. There are about half of the Russians, they are infringed on their rights and Russophobes are in power.
        Much more productive than shouting down with idiots, just to act "European" using their weaknesses. You just need to raise the issue of the propaganda of fascism, for example, with the exposure of the German public and the infringement of the electoral rights of Russian "non-citizens".
        It amazes me that there are no such social movements who could play these cards, although you can start collecting funds on the Internet for these projects.
      9. 0255
        0255 22 November 2013 15: 27
        0
        Quote: Ruslandeth
        I propose at the return match of this club in Russia to deploy a huge Hammer and Sickle. You can with a portrait of Joseph Vissarionych.)

        not a Stalinist, but I support the idea laughing
      10. alone
        alone 22 November 2013 21: 43
        0
        And the best thing was to really plant that fool who flaunted the Nazi flag during a football match. 15 days for this is a spit to the side
        those who freed the world from this virus. am

        P.S. that I didn’t notice any article or angry comments about this period.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 22 November 2013 08: 14
      22
      Quote: avant-garde
      , not what to show it on games that have the status of the Russian championship. Fascists unfinished

      They will be brought to Russia by their dynamo and hoisted instead of the flag of Latvia, the flag of the USSR. And then let them make claims.
      1. avant-garde
        avant-garde 22 November 2013 08: 17
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        They will come to Russia

        We have them in Omsk 24 with our Vanguard play!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 22 November 2013 08: 30
          +9
          Quote: avant-garde
          We have them in Omsk 24 with our Vanguard play!

          Here, the fact is, every Latvian fan to give the flag of the USSR and let them wave them on the podium and sing the anthem of the USSR. If you refuse, what to do you know wink
          1. avant-garde
            avant-garde 22 November 2013 08: 36
            10
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Here, the fact is, every Latvian fan to give the flag of the USSR and let them wave them on the podium and sing the anthem of the USSR. If you refuse, what to do you know

            Yes, there are 3 people sitting in FIG, no one needs it, not hunting sports with this abomination to interfere. Yes, and not hockey, football fans used to live together. And here, because of the stupid organizer and leadership, such crap came out ....
        2. amigo1969
          amigo1969 22 November 2013 10: 05
          +5
          Vanguard! Organize the USSR flags on the game! Let their fascist eye "rejoice"))
        3. Hleb
          Hleb 22 November 2013 16: 19
          0
          ______________
      2. Canep
        Canep 22 November 2013 08: 24
        19
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        instead of the flag of Latvia, flag of the USSR

        Not the USSR but the Latvian SSR:
        1. itr
          itr 22 November 2013 08: 30
          +2
          Minesweeper this flag lacks an anchor))))))))
      3. klimpopov
        klimpopov 22 November 2013 09: 17
        +2
        Hell! Who won? Have you reached Berlin? And then there is no account in the article.
        1. Canep
          Canep 22 November 2013 09: 20
          0
          4: 3 in favor of Riga Dynamo.
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 22 November 2013 09: 24
            +1
            Pancake(((
            It means that this act of Hitler worship was not sufficiently motivated ..
            1. Canep
              Canep 22 November 2013 09: 42
              +1
              Yes Ugra in the basement of the standings, 10 defeats in a row.
      4. VKabanov
        VKabanov 22 November 2013 10: 17
        0
        Latvian SSR. They then definitely Europe for another grant for the purchase of a rusty corvette or another F-16 divorced.
    3. Canep
      Canep 22 November 2013 08: 19
      +7
      Quote: avant-garde
      Let them put this symbol of the sun flat in one place

      And cranked it there against the wool.
      With all this, they have prohibited Soviet symbols. Frankly fascist state. The parades of veterans waffen SS, and Russian non-citizens are vivid proof of this.
    4. does it
      does it 22 November 2013 08: 27
      +5
      Quote: avant-garde
      Let them put this symbol of the sun flat in one place, not what to show it on games that have the status of the Russian championship. Fascists unfinished

      Actually, the German Nazis "licked" the swastika from the Buddhists by unrolling it. It's unpleasant, of course, when the symbol of movement is associated with something negative. But in our country and in the World it is associated with Nazi Germany, they brought too much grief to our land under this symbol. sad
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 22 November 2013 09: 08
        +3
        Quote: kvirit
        Actually, the German Nazis "licked" the swastika from the Buddhists


        Rather, Finnish. These were in the forefront. During the Civil War, the swastika came to Finnish aviation. On March 6, 1918, the Swedish count Eric von Rosen gave the White Army of Mannerheim his first plane with a swastika on board,
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 22 November 2013 20: 12
        0
        Quote: kvirit
        German Nazis "licked" the swastika from Buddhists

        No, both were licked by the Indians.
        Quote: kvirit
        But here and in the world it is associated with Nazi Germany
        Not in India. However, for them, the Second World War is a minor episode of the 1940s, a side branch of the history of mankind. Somehow I talked with one turkey. She is a university graduate, and not stupid, at least with the work of a middle-level programmer, she completely coped, and in life she’s not at all frustrated. But somehow I mentioned Stalingrad in a conversation, her eyes widened, the first time I heard. As it turned out, the war for them - so, an episode, butted unknowingly who unknowingly with whom unknowingly for what in Europe and the Pacific Ocean. And the main world events of those years are the struggle of the Indian people for independence and gain thereof. She is not to blame, they were taught that way at school and at the university. So for them, the swastika has a completely different meaning.

        The story about it here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19735959
        True in English. And the swastika of this ancient Indian statue is about on the stomach.
    5. Vadivak
      Vadivak 22 November 2013 08: 44
      +3
      Apparently the saying goes, the closer a person’s head is to w ... the more in non-Mr., one can successfully apply to this small but shitty nation
    6. stayer
      stayer 22 November 2013 08: 52
      +5
      Quote: avant-garde
      Let them put this symbol of the sun flat in one place

      And with a turn, with a turn ...
    7. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 22 November 2013 11: 52
      0
      Quote: avant-garde
      Let them put this symbol of the sun flat in one place, not what to show it on games that have the status of the Russian championship. Fascists unfinished

      Let them go crazy. Today interesting news comes from Ukraine, where the second Maidan has failed. And European integration has stalled. If this trend in Ukraine will continue. then the CU and the EU are not far away. With the restoration of previous economic ties, we will be able to restore the domestic market for self-support. Then all sorts of plesh-states will cease to rage with fat. If Europe does not suck out all the juices of Ukraine, then it will return to gnawing old bones and the Balts will be in the first dish
      1. does it
        does it 22 November 2013 17: 18
        0
        Quote: Gluxar_
        If Europe does not suck out all the juices of Ukraine, then it will return to gnawing old bones and the Balts will be in the first dish

        Reminds one Japanese gourmet dish
    8. washi
      washi 22 November 2013 13: 05
      +1
      Quote: avant-garde
      Let them put this symbol of the sun flat in one place, not what to show it on games that have the status of the Russian championship. Fascists unfinished

      Sorry, but the symbol of the Sun rotates clockwise, and the Nazi symbol is against, as is seen in the photo. This is due to the fact that the Nazis wanted to return to the time when the Aryans ruled the world.
      They just did not take into account the studies of GERMAN researchers of the late 19th century, in which they claimed that the distribution center of the Arians lies in the north-west of the Republic of Ingushetia.
      Native children almost always beat the bastards (the phrase is not mine)
    9. AVV
      AVV 22 November 2013 13: 42
      0
      It would be better if they put a sign with sprats, it would be more understandable, but from their sun to the Gestapo and the unfinished fascist henchmen, one step !!!
    10. Su24
      Su24 22 November 2013 17: 09
      0
      The organizers of the hockey meeting decided to greet the guests in a peculiar way and to link the opening ceremony of the meeting with the 95th anniversary of the appearance of the Republic of Latvia on the world map


      I propose at the return match of this club in Russia to deploy a huge Hammer and Sickle. You can with a portrait of Joseph Vissarionych.)


      Yeah, in honor of, for example, the 68th anniversary of the disappearance of Latvia from the map))
    11. Siberian German
      Siberian German 22 November 2013 19: 44
      +1
      it’s not a symbol of the sun, believe me - although I’ll explain Fritz, the ends of the symbol of the sun are bent in the direction of the sun (who didn’t understand it clockwise) - these can be found in our north in the Archel region near Pomors, but here it’s counterclockwise — pure propaganda of the Nazis - but ours from the leadership for the sake of preserving the khl just saying ass licked.
    12. Gladiatir-zlo
      Gladiatir-zlo 22 November 2013 22: 46
      +3
      Brothers, so what is it, ancient swastika symbols, there will be ancient crosses. Moreover, such symbols are found all over the world, and they date back to the appearance of the German state. Yes, Nazism assigning a solar symbol nakosyachil. So it's time to cast aside ignorance, and at least know the origins of your people. Well, all the hysteria comes from the press-Jewish media. After all, they set the tone and pace of squeals.
    13. _Voislav_
      _Voislav_ 24 November 2013 10: 44
      +2
      And why is it so bad, the sun showed their story much deeper than we know-it-alls and smart people!
    14. Orel
      Orel 25 November 2013 06: 08
      0
      The organizers of the hockey meeting decided to greet the guests in a peculiar way and to link the opening ceremony of the meeting with the 95th anniversary of the appearance of the Republic of Latvia on the world map


      If they continue to greet in a "peculiar form", they will begin to mark the day of the disappearance of the Republic of Latvia from the world map ...
  2. awg75
    awg75 22 November 2013 08: 01
    +3
    this thing just can't be let down
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 22 November 2013 08: 09
    +5
    There is propaganda of fascist symbolism, which is the reason for the adoption of a condemning resolution in the UN Security Council.
    But I suppose, as always, they will vote against the USA ENGLAND AND FRANCE.
    If this goes on and on, the Armed Forces of RUSSIA may have an occasion to test their highly accurate weapon-targets, there will be symbols of FASCISM-AUU, the Baltic states tell you this.
    It would not hurt to walk along the rink according to our Natsik lovers of fascist symbols.
    1. hohryakov066
      hohryakov066 22 November 2013 12: 25
      0
      Apparently under this swastika few Englishmen killed the Nazis! The memory is bad.
  4. Oskar
    Oskar 22 November 2013 08: 11
    +4
    Soon we will see torchlight processions. And the EU, as always - on the drum ...
    1. does it
      does it 22 November 2013 08: 31
      +1
      Quote: Oskar
      We will see torchlight processions soon. And the EU is on the drum ... A portrait of today's European politician: memory, like a chicken, eyes, like elevator buttons (expressive-e-e) and horizons are not wider than the standard opening in the toilet!

      You would be dear in their place, you would immediately feel the "Domokles sword"
  5. ZU-23
    ZU-23 22 November 2013 08: 14
    +3
    From an idiot, they still can’t calm down with their god Hitler, their authorities clearly develop this topic, because the people obviously begin to regret that they did not follow the pro-Russian path. This is all on the orders of the Washingtonians, they drag their faithful dogs against Russia.
  6. Polovec
    Polovec 22 November 2013 08: 15
    +9
    It would be very interesting to track the reaction of the closest allies and neighbors from Poland to this trick. This "sun" very cool "warmed" people in Auschwitz, the Warsaw ghetto, etc. I understand the desire of a petty and vile nation that has climbed under the "roof" of NATO to offend its former masters. Except for such an abomination, they are not capable of penetrating us in any way, but this is an insult to our new owners! Of course, given how great the desire of the West is to strangle us in their arms, these scoundrels will probably get away with this and much more. Only the reaction of our side is incomprehensible! How could OUR hockey players, after such a prelude, even go out on the ice? Or are these "pros" ready to give a damn about the graves of their grandfathers for the money?
    Rhetorical question: "What would happen if there was a team from Israel on the ice instead of our team?"

    PS KHL leadership must be driven in three necks. Together with Mutko ...
    1. Tommygun
      Tommygun 22 November 2013 10: 06
      +3
      Tarasov and not for such a team away from the ice!
  7. makarov
    makarov 22 November 2013 08: 15
    +5
    the Khanty-Mansiysk team “Ugra” did not need to enter the field. turn around and leave saving face.
    1. avant-garde
      avant-garde 22 November 2013 08: 20
      +1
      Quote: makarov
      the Khanty-Mansiysk team “Ugra” did not need to enter the field. turn around and leave saving face.

      Such antics are not spelled out in the KHL regulation, and if Yugra left the field, in addition to technical defeat, the fine would also be soldered to the horse club.
      1. vadson
        vadson 22 November 2013 11: 06
        +1
        Well, the technical defeat for the Ugra will not change anything at all, but they wouldn’t give a fine, the people will intervene for the club, hockey can be watched even without tickets on the box
  8. itr
    itr 22 November 2013 08: 16
    +3
    ! no words in the middle on mined sticks to burn and march
  9. selbrat
    selbrat 22 November 2013 08: 16
    +9
    The KHL behaved incorrectly. After all, in fact, the KHL is an open championship of Russia. In our championship, they spat in our faces. Judging by the work of the commission, the KHL simply "wiped off" its face and that's it. By the way, one of the main sponsors of Dynamo (Riga) is Russian oil company. The question should have been whether such a team should have a hard place in our championship. Or will we “morning” again? ..
    1. avant-garde
      avant-garde 22 November 2013 08: 22
      +2
      Quote: selbrat
      Or will we "morning" again? ..

      unfortunately it will be so.
    2. Apollo
      Apollo 22 November 2013 08: 28
      +7
      Good morning everybody hi

      By the title and content of the topic, this very episode am


      quote- However, the Latvian side of this, Apparently, aware and not trying. The other day, the press secretary of the Latvian Hockey Federation Maris Gorbunovs spoke, who said that he did not see anything reprehensible in the appearance of this symbol on the Arena-Riga hockey site:


      Well, he’s aware of nothing when he gets the brains internationally. So.

      The UN General Assembly Committee approved a resolution of Russia against the glorification of Nazism

      The UN General Assembly Committee approved a draft resolution prepared by Russia on combating the glorification of Nazism and other forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and intolerance.

      126 of the UN member states voted for the draft resolution, while three - Canada, the United States and Palau - opposed. More 50 states, including EU states, abstained, ITAR-TASS reports.
      http://www.vz.ru/news/2013/11/21/660780.html
    3. VKabanov
      VKabanov 22 November 2013 10: 20
      +4
      The sponsor needs to find another team, and let Natsik in their homeland (ugly) search for sponsors
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  11. Normman
    Normman 22 November 2013 08: 22
    +5
    The trick of small dirty tricks. Apparently shitting on the sly is all that they can.
  12. bomg.77
    bomg.77 22 November 2013 08: 23
    +4
    These are all links of the same chain: attacks on embassies, greenpeace and so on. They pull the bear.
  13. vlad0
    vlad0 22 November 2013 08: 25
    +8
    If the Baltic countries and Europe calmly react to the speeches of veterans and followers of fascism, then we should not be "ashamed" of our history, and at the right time, publicly recall and demonstrate our respect for the best that was created and achieved from 1917 to 1991, while not forgetting the leaders of that era. I think an official tribute to Stalin would have a sobering effect on many in the West. And on individual leaders of the subjects of the Russian Federation too.
    hi
    1. amigo1969
      amigo1969 22 November 2013 10: 03
      +2
      I agree with Vlad0! Apparently, the need has ripened to officially celebrate the birthday of I.V. Stalin.
      1. vadson
        vadson 22 November 2013 11: 10
        +2
        you need to raise the hammer and sickle to the rank of state symbolism, along with the eagle. or maybe instead of him.
  14. domokl
    domokl 22 November 2013 08: 25
    +6
    There are things that should not be allowed. The KHL, with its tolerant explanation, spat at us all. It is very strange that the Russian government did not react. The connivance never led to good.
    For me personally, hockey has now ceased to exist in that part of the world, and the KHL leadership has lost all respect.
    1. vadson
      vadson 22 November 2013 11: 14
      0
      if the khl leadership puts this matter on the brakes then an adequate answer is needed, such as the ussr flags at matches, ussr symbols on ice rinks on ice, talk with the khl men to let them tear this Riga dynamo like a hot-water bottle. during the breaks the anthem of the USSR to enable them in the locker room let them enjoy. ..
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  16. pensioner
    pensioner 22 November 2013 08: 29
    +1
    Thanks Alexey!
    her "legs" go the other way.
    Their brains set off behind their legs. Already necessary.
    1. builder
      builder 22 November 2013 09: 13
      +3
      Is there a brain there is the question.
  17. ICT
    ICT 22 November 2013 08: 31
    13
    These include the so-called "Symbol of the Sun" (Saules zime), the image of which symbolizes the wish of good and happiness. This is the meaning, according to the organizers, was invested in the pre-match show. The hockey club Dynamo (Riga) expressed regret that the feelings of a considerable number of hockey fans were offended. The KHL believes that the formation of the "Symbol of the Sun", which is an element of spiritual heritage, is not related to Nazi ideology, but is the use of traditional symbols and ornaments of the Latvian people.

    And an interesting ending to the note:

    At the same time, the KHL notes that, given the possibility of the appearance of obvious associations, the organizers of the show should refrain from displaying such symbols when holding international matches.

    all the same, this is the most correct conclusion that has been made,

    a bit of humor about associations
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 22 November 2013 09: 52
      +1
      Yes, thanks for the video laughed heartily.
    2. Papakiko
      Papakiko 22 November 2013 11: 23
      +1
      Quote: TIT
      on the topic of associations

      CLASSSSSSS! Thank you comrad!

      Also a normal association, almost like Iron-Debt, Cactus-Debt, Soldering iron-Dolg, Boiler-Dolg.
  18. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 22 November 2013 08: 33
    +4
    With such a "reaction" from the leadership of the KHL it will come to the point that the Balts in our stadiums will start "dancing" with a swastika ... angry Impunity breeds lawlessness.
  19. Mviktor
    Mviktor 22 November 2013 08: 37
    0
    In Russia, symbols similar to a swastika (symbols of the sun) were also commonly used on clothes on towels. It was a talisman, and there are still swastika symbols on ancient buildings in Russia.
    The fact that Hitler corrupted such a symbol by the fascist swastika, that now we are all the more rejected from its history by the old Russian swastika much older than the fascist swastika. It is necessary to struggle with the meaning that is laid, and not with symbolism. Gays, a rainbow (a child’s symbol), corrupted Stalin a star that we now refuse from these symbols.
    1. vadson
      vadson 22 November 2013 11: 21
      +2
      in 300 - 500 years maybe, but not now.
      there is still such a moment, if such an incident occurred in Belarus, then maybe the people still believed in the symbol of the sun and not fascism, since the Old Man had not yet fallen into insanity. and with the Balts everything is different, these bedding will do everything just to kick the Russians with impunity, hence the attitude towards the swastika. everyone understands that they meant a hint of fascism. hence the reaction of people, well, the Russian people do not like the vile Baltic little soul.
  20. Goodvin55
    Goodvin55 22 November 2013 08: 37
    11
    Well, yes, yes, the symbol of happiness was in Latvian culture long before the advent of the Third Reich, etc. But Latvians should understand that, a match with the Russian team, and this symbol will be interpreted unambiguously. And they deliberately went on a provocation. By the way, the Finnish Air Force swastika has been an official emblem since 1918.
    1. igordok
      igordok 22 November 2013 10: 36
      +4
      Quote: Goodvin55
      By the way, the Finnish Air Force has had a swastika as an official emblem since the 1918 of the year.

      She still remains on the flag. The flag of the Finnish Air Force Administration contains a swastika.


      On the president’s standard, a little changed.

      1. Ptah
        Ptah 22 November 2013 11: 14
        +1
        Quote: igordok
        The flag of the Finnish Air Force Administration contains a swastika.

        How many times have I seen. By ferry to Finka. And no one is excited at the same time. Even the Jews.
        Then why should we wave our fists. But Finca also had a real chance to become a FinASSR in the Union.
        Now we would have “gained independence”, painted these emblems on the wings, and we would have spit saliva.
        Yes, do not give a damn about foolish jesters.

        Threat. Over there, the roof fell in the mall on people.
        Let's take this as God's punishment. And so let them say. You’ll think about it.
      2. Altona
        Altona 22 November 2013 17: 28
        +2
        Hey terve, everyone ... Sweets, hello ... I also wanted to say about Finnish symbols ... In general, the Buddhists took the symbol away and distorted it, it is a perfectly normal sign in Kalmykia ... Moreover, he was present on the form of the Red Army one time ... I’ll try to find now, this tunic ...
  21. Ols76
    Ols76 22 November 2013 08: 40
    +1
    We need to remind them what the flag of the Latvian SSR looked like.
    1. ICT
      ICT 22 November 2013 08: 46
      +4
      Quote: Ols76
      We need to remind them what the flag of the Latvian SSR looked like.


      they had parades of SS veterans, the same veterans were elevated to the rank of heroes there, not sure, but it seems even Poland expressed more protests than we did. and here if this symbol was depicted in the middle of a speech, then no one noticed it
  22. Ahmed Osmanov
    Ahmed Osmanov 22 November 2013 08: 46
    +6
    Well, that’s finally set off ... am
    Who is a specialist in otherworldly forces, it's time to call IV Stalin. laughing
  23. Wii
    Wii 22 November 2013 09: 11
    +3
    In my opinion, it's time to return Soviet tanks there, with their presence, the desire to wave the swastika was zero.
  24. svoi
    svoi 22 November 2013 09: 12
    +5
    SHAME yugra! not only that they went on the ice, after such and such x ... no, so even about ... whether
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 22 November 2013 10: 54
      +5
      they actually were in the locker room at that time and simply did not know about it. They showed you the photos from the stands, but they didn’t have a show before that moment. And then you need to try playing yourself to disgrace Ugra. Riga and the reigning champion won this season. besides being away and overtime, they lost. What's the shame? the players are playing, and the club’s board of directors, the KHL’s management, FHR should rake up the politeness and art of this choreographer
  25. rereture
    rereture 22 November 2013 09: 19
    -1
    I remember the father found the ring (Bryansk region) on the Kolovrat ring, a copper ring, 12 centuries ago, maybe earlier. Does this mean that our distant ancestors were Nazis and worshiped the guitar? So now forbid all the symbols that resemble the swastika? Hmm ...
  26. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 22 November 2013 09: 20
    +5
    It’s like in a joke:
    "- Die s.ka! ... Oh, I'm sorry, the cat ran over the keyboard ..."
  27. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 22 November 2013 09: 30
    +4
    There is such a formula: the chance of the appearance of Nazi symbols is inversely proportional to the distance between Soviet tanks and subjects demonstrating this symbol. To prove the correctness of this statement, it’s enough to look 30-40 years ago, did any mongrel dare to demonstrate something like that? official events, and not about individual marginals. Now Soviet tanks are far away, or rather they are completely absent, and the degrading Russian Federation is not able to do anything. Yes, and in general we do not need such hockey. stop
  28. Namejs
    Namejs 22 November 2013 09: 30
    -6
    I do not understand, why such a stir?
    A swastika or a cross of fire, a cross of thunder, is a rather widespread symbol in the Baltic region. This symbol was used everywhere and everywhere until Hitlerism.

    In general, a black swastika in a white circle is considered to be Nazi symbols. the swastika is a stylized image of such a reality.

    I apologize for the mistakes. Russian does not appear in a rondian language
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 22 November 2013 09: 54
      12
      Quote: Namejs
      I do not understand, why such a stir?
      Swastika or fire cross it is the cross of thunder


      You do not understand? For you, the swastika may be a cross of thunder, but on my mother in a train with refugees, it was not the thunder of the bomb that dropped, but the lappethers with the swastika
      1. Standard Oil
        Standard Oil 22 November 2013 10: 09
        +8
        So this is how it turns out, Soviet symbols, you cannot demonstrate in Latvia, but this fascist abomination is possible? We are not fools here in Russia (although some people want to think so) we all understand WHAT IT IS FOR, and what you wanted to say by that. You can (for now) do whatever you want in Fascistland, we remember everything here and do not forget anything, both "non-citizens" and SS marches ... Soon your overseas patron will die, choking on his national debt and the time will come to collect stones.
        1. Polovec
          Polovec 22 November 2013 10: 39
          +2
          Soon your overseas patron will die, drowning in his national debt and the time will come to collect stones. [/ Quote]

          We collect stones now! The time will come and we will scatter them !!!
          And we can throw ...
        2. Namejs
          Namejs 22 November 2013 15: 48
          +1
          both Nazi and Soviet symbols are banned in Latvia. Both in Latvia are recognized as criminal regimes.

          I, as a lawyer, will explain it to you — not to a lawyer and poorly versed in laws — the Nazi symbol is a black swastika in a white circle or just lines that coincide with a Nazi swastika. What is visible on the field clearly resembles a swastika but is not a swastika. What they saw on the field is folk symbols without any kind of impetus. There they didn’t think about any subtexts. So if we look at the Nazis in Russia (which is the whole mass), then they will also use similar symbols, although there is no need for legal attachment in fact they are fascists

          If you follow your Myslei movement, then everything that resembles a swastika is fascism so if the swastika is a symbol of fascism! How to explain this? It turns out that the Russian fascists?
      2. Namejs
        Namejs 22 November 2013 15: 38
        +1
        Well, in 1940 in Latvia, people who wore a red star were also mocking people in prisons, but because of this I don’t react like that to any other star out of five

        And speaking of such symbols - in Latvia it is used purely in cultural events and at the same time not in its pure form - and in Russia the original German Nazi flag is not shy about using it. Does this bother you?
    2. Same lech
      Same lech 22 November 2013 09: 57
      +4
      Namejs - I'm afraid you do not understand the situation a little.
      The very image of the cross-swastika is rooted in our consciousness with the image of Hitler and the SS.
      And I clearly perceive the appearance of this symbolism at official events as propaganda of fascism.
      Further, if you like this symbol so much, glue them YOUR TOILET and you should not show it to us on every occasion (run into a bad attitude towards yourself, including from me)
      1. vadson
        vadson 22 November 2013 11: 27
        0
        Yes, do not pay attention to him, he is trolling you and you are being led, he understands everything perfectly. he needs to mock at us.
    3. Same lech
      Same lech 22 November 2013 11: 15
      +4
      Here is the answer.

      9 application.

      From the report of the special assignment officer of the Headquarters of the Russian Liberation Army, Lieutenant V. Baltins, May 26, 1944, Colonel Pozdnyakov, Representative of the Russian Liberation Army in Riga.
      In mid-December 1943, on business affairs, I had (with several employees) to be in the region of Belarus (the former Vitebsk province), in the villages of Knyazevo (Krasnoye), Barsuki, Rosalino and others. These villages occupied German units and were tolerant of the population but when they were replaced by the Latvian SS units, the causeless terrible terror immediately began. Residents were forced to scatter through the forests at night, so as not to be killed. Around these villages lay many corpses of women and old people. I learned from the inhabitants that the Latvian SS were engaged in these atrocities.
      On April 23, 1944, I had to be in the village of Morochkovo. All of it was burned. SS Latvians lived in the cellars of the huts. On the day of my arrival there they were supposed to be replaced by the German unit, but I still managed to speak Latvian with several of them, though I don't know their names. I asked one of them why the corpses of murdered women, old people and children, hundreds of unburied corpses, as well as dead horses lay around the village. The answer was: "We killed them in order to destroy as many Russians as possible."
      When this Latvian part left, she took with her several Russian women and girls as concubines. They were also obligated to wash clothes for soldiers, heat baths, clean rooms, etc.
      The next day we crossed a small river and found several surviving huts and residents near it. At the sight of us, the latter were frightened, but we were able to quickly reassure them. We showed them seven fresh crosses on the graves in which we buried the corpses, and talked about what we saw. The peasants wept bitterly and talked about what they had to endure during the stay of the Latvian SS.
      In early May, in the vicinity of the village of Kobylniki, in one of the hollows, we saw about 3 thousand bodies of shot peasants, mostly women and children. The surviving residents said that the executions were carried out by "people who understood Russian, wore skulls on their caps and red-white-red bands on the left sleeve," that is, they were the Latvian SS.
      (“Source” // 1998 No. 2 p. 74-75)
    4. ytqnhfk
      ytqnhfk 22 November 2013 15: 37
      0
      In this regard, I ask you not to write about the favor anymore since you are lying that you cannot write in Russian, there is a program that corrects errors! So browut for goals!
  29. Andreitas
    Andreitas 22 November 2013 09: 40
    +2
    They’d better put the sprat out of their flags!
  30. Slavs
    Slavs 22 November 2013 09: 45
    +4
    Leave me alone from the Kolovrat ... I understand very well in what context the symbol of the Baltic states was used in the show, but it does not change the original essence ... Such instilling in the people hatred for their own symbols is a great idea ... I, for example, do not really like terugolichki, especially when an asterisk develops from them ... Did the Germans still have crosses, do they not bring pluses of hatred? ... Do they need to give the Baltic states ... to give, and not to come off on symbols, showing ignorance of the history of their people ... Although not for everyone, maybe maybe he’s his own here? ... And then before the baptism of Russia, nobody knows anything, right oh and there’s nothing to remember ... By the way, pi ... ry worshiping the rainbow, their flag is so colorful, so now, we will forbid the children to paint? ... My daughter loves to draw and just the rainbow ...
  31. Kahlan amnell
    Kahlan amnell 22 November 2013 09: 56
    -1
    Already wrote about this in another thread, but I repeat:
    "One of the oldest symbols, meaning Light and Good, was desecrated by the Nazis, but this is not a basis for contempt, hatred and the prohibition of the symbol itself. The symbol is not guilty of the crimes of the Nazis.
    I clarify - only the symbol of the swastika itself, and not the flag of Nazi Germany.
    Many crimes have also been committed under the banner of the Cross, but the Cross is not despised or hated, but is revered by millions of Christians around the world. "
    Ignorance is the worst crime committed by a person against himself.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 22 November 2013 10: 27
      +3
      Dear Kahlan Amnell, you write down this saying (Ignorance is the worst crime committed by a person against himself) of us in ignorance.
      Very nice - I once read a lot of literature on all sorts of characters, and so
      symbols are taken so that a brief image of something is rooted in the human mind in this case IDEA NATIONAL SOCIALISM.
      We can say that a big business always starts with a small one - and Hitler was not always what he became.
      Nevertheless, the fact is the fact under this symbol millions of people were destroyed and do not forget about it.

      True, what a sweet child and what he later became7
      1. Slavs
        Slavs 22 November 2013 11: 15
        +2
        Look deeper ... The symbol appeared long before the ideas of National Socialism ... Just in order to root the image ... What? You read a lot about symbols ... So what was the Kolovrat associated with before the ideas of National Socialism? And why did Dolphi take it "into service"? And ignorance of the history of my people is ignorance ... I also do not know much, only what they thought it necessary to give at school, for these reasons, in relation to the history of ancestors, I am ignorant ... Crusades cannot be called merciful, Europeans there was also a symbol on armor and shields, I hope there are no complaints about the cross? Probably Christ did not even think that with the symbol of torment for all mankind they would bear death ...
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 22 November 2013 14: 03
          -1
          Do not flaunt your ignorance.
          There are claims to the cross as well as to the swastika - any crimes can be justified.
          If you are a fan of KOLOVRAT, then I do not.
          I’m more worried about the desire to slowly pull out Nazi ideas in various ways, including the demonstration of such symbols, as if in antiquity we had such a sign and young people are being led to this bullshit.
          Then we are surprised at the appearance of all skinheads and skinheads on our streets with similar symbols.
          In general, it’s not clear to me that Christ took the figure from where people take all his exploits on faith, depending on their life situation and vision of the world.
          .
          A person needs faith as a support and justification for his actions.
          For some, the faith of National Socialism is best suited, and for whom, CHRIST, as presented to us.
          1. Kahlan amnell
            Kahlan amnell 22 November 2013 14: 10
            0
            I’m more worried about the desire to slowly pull out Nazi ideas in various ways, including the demonstration of such symbols, as if in antiquity we had such a sign and young people are being led to this bullshit.
            Then we are surprised at the appearance of all skinheads and skinheads on our streets with similar symbols.

            That is the consequences of ignorance.
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      2. Kahlan amnell
        Kahlan amnell 22 November 2013 14: 05
        +1
        you write down this saying (Ignorance - the worst of the crimes committed by a person against himself) us in ignorance.

        Dear LEKHA! In order to write you (or someone) in ignorance, you must use name or pronoun.
        I just quoted this saying, which DOES NOT CONTAIN any targeted reference to a specific person or group of people. You are wrong in this claim.
        ... so that a brief image of something in this case is rooted in the human mind IDEA NATIONAL SOCIALISM ...

        Substitution. The same substitution as if your photo was posted on a flyer with the title "Wanted" and a list of crimes (committed by someone else!). It is clear?
        ... a fact is a fact under this symbol millions of people were destroyed and do not forget about it.

        Millions of people were also destroyed under the sign of the cross, and you should not forget about it.
        And the last.
        Do not be ashamed not to know anything. It is a shame to persist in ignorance.
        It is necessary to return to the symbols their original meaning and meaning, cleansing from the superficial and the late.

        PS In the Red Army in the 20 of the XX century, the swastika symbol was also used.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 22 November 2013 14: 34
          -2
          Kahlan Amnell - I understand your desire to humiliate me to show how ignorant I am. Without address links, but with a hint (it’s better not to advertise them so it will be true)
          I will not slip into such a polemic especially as you are a woman.
          I expressed what I am convinced of and you can’t prove by any numbers that it’s good to swastika.
          1. Slavs
            Slavs 22 November 2013 20: 13
            +1
            Education obtained through textbooks written by Jews is bearing fruit ... Nobody tried to humiliate you, don’t panic ... We used to have such a sign in antiquity, but now they say that it’s a symbol of fascism and young people are being taught this bullshit ... And skinheads appear on the streets not because of the swastika, for another reason, probably in your world there are no such reasons, but in mine ... And who told you that nationalism is bad ... Sound nationalism is good ... And here football fans are bad ... Not the fans, but the fans .... How many people - so many opinions, in sports truth is born ... The woman conducted a dialogue with you very politely and sensibly ...
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 23 November 2013 04: 29
              0
              Yes, I welcome healthy nationalism — it is good for keeping fascist emigrants and guest workers away, and it also reminds the government of the existence of its own people, which they often sin in KREMLIN.
              Often people with very extremist views attach themselves to this, and this is what we must fight with, skinheads very often use the swastika, so I would advise healthy nationalists to find another symbol that is more understandable and close
              the spirit of the people.
          2. Kahlan amnell
            Kahlan amnell 25 November 2013 07: 36
            +2
            Kahlan Amnell - I understand your desire to humiliate me to show how ignorant I am. Without address links, but with a hint (it’s better not to advertise them so it will be true)
            I will not slip into such a polemic especially as you are a woman.
            I expressed what I am convinced of and you can’t prove by any numbers that it’s good to swastika.

            My desire to humiliate you ??? Young man, you see that which is not and was not. I did not humiliate anyone, especially you.
            I do not seek to prove to you that the swastika is good. Your conviction is to stay with him if it’s easier for you to live. But I affirm that not everything is as simple as you think and new symbols are given new meaning and significance in modern times, distorting and defaming them. This is the danger of ignorance. Therefore, it is necessary to expose substitutions and correct distortions.
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  32. amigo1969
    amigo1969 22 November 2013 09: 59
    +6
    Damaged nation, from time immemorial, beaten by Germans and Slavs trying to declare itself. Like there is such a blot on the map and our name is proudly - Latvia ...... I visited Riga last year - devastation and poverty, only those enterprises that supply products to Russia (sprats and other nonsense) work.
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 22 November 2013 10: 33
      +2
      Quote: amigo1969
      Damaged nation, from time immemorial, beaten by Germans and Slavs trying to declare itself.

      That's it!!!
      And all these Pribaldey were given to you. Be taller than this, if you consider yourself to be a holder of a high rank RUSSIAN NATION!
      Why did they howl at the "naughty slave"? That he is already an ex and not yours (ours)? Let him grimace as he wants, from this his Hitler he will not grow up on sprats and balsam. You were not afraid of "Nazi" Latvia from the fact that they waved rags and did not give Russian citizenship. Not a big loss - sell houses, children in an armful and for a historical one. Nothing, not to the tundra and not run from the bombing.
      Ask each one of himself - "What do I need these priests for? I can't live without them? They don't climb into my house on a single tank, well, let them rustle at home." Once they have changed their masters in the person of NATO and the EU, it does not matter, it is still impossible to interfere. If the Americans want to put them on "Patriots" - they will. They have already bent over, and now they will put it right on the scruff of the neck. And turned towards Russia. This is an inevitable fact and consider it accomplished.
      Russia can and must answer. A straight boot in the hollow boot. Who is Russia - and where is Latvia ???

      The jester has little bells - the Baltic people have flags and "beautiful silver attributes" on their black uniforms. And this is not what Russia experienced. And to react to all sorts of pa. Meager voyeurs - just do not respect yourself.
  33. Diviz
    Diviz 22 November 2013 10: 18
    +1
    They want to attract attention. They showed the cross a pity that not ....
  34. btsypulin
    btsypulin 22 November 2013 10: 31
    +2
    Quote: Polovec
    It would be very interesting to track the reaction of the closest allies and neighbors from Poland to this trick. This "sun" very cool "warmed" people in Auschwitz, the Warsaw ghetto, etc. I understand the desire of a petty and vile nation that has climbed under the "roof" of NATO to offend its former masters. Except for such an abomination, they are not capable of penetrating us in any way, but this is an insult to our new owners! Of course, given how great the desire of the West is to strangle us in their arms, these scoundrels will probably get away with this and much more. Only the reaction of our side is incomprehensible! How could OUR hockey players, after such a prelude, even go out on the ice? Or are these "pros" ready to give a damn about the graves of their grandfathers for the money?
    Rhetorical question: "What would happen if there was a team from Israel on the ice instead of our team?"

    PS KHL leadership must be driven in three necks. Together with Mutko ...


    I fully support, I also don’t understand how hockey players could go out on the ice after that, it seems that the loot has muddied everyone’s mind! And the statement of the KHL leadership is that !!! ??? S ... ki corrupt, creatures. These Latvian morons had to make the last Chinese warning and, if repeated, should be expelled from the KHL.
  35. Romanychby
    Romanychby 22 November 2013 10: 31
    +4
    These provocateurs are saddled up. On the ass, let them draw a swastika. A humbling excuse regarding the movement of the sun looks ridiculous. What does the sun have to do with a hockey match? Who needs their supposedly national ancient symbolism?
  36. slovak007
    slovak007 22 November 2013 10: 32
    +3
    As were the policemen, they remained them!
  37. VADEL
    VADEL 22 November 2013 10: 37
    +1
    That's because fleas are biting, anchoring them in the ass. laughing
  38. amigo1969
    amigo1969 22 November 2013 10: 53
    +1
    Quote: Akhmed Osmanov
    Well, that’s finally set off ... am
    Who is a specialist in otherworldly forces, it's time to call IV Stalin. laughing

    Dangerously!!! In the Baltic, pestilence will begin! The main diagnosis: death from diarrhea, heart attack, stuttering, etc.)))))))))))
  39. The gentleman
    The gentleman 22 November 2013 11: 00
    +2
    I remembered my favorite childhood film-Home Alone .... so here, they left all of Riga, forgot about it. only in the film the elders remember the child, and here Riga itself reminds itself ... albeit in such ways. and even if we turn to history, that the use of symbols does not entail anything terrible in this case, then this act must be left for historians. in any case, the swastika immediately catches your eye! and comments are inappropriate. fascists are fascists
  40. morpogr
    morpogr 22 November 2013 11: 02
    11
    The deceased all see themselves as a great nation, as puppets were and still are.
  41. siberko
    siberko 22 November 2013 11: 02
    -1
    Quote: Namejs
    I do not understand, why such a stir?
    A swastika or a cross of fire, a cross of thunder, is a rather widespread symbol in the Baltic region. This symbol was used everywhere and everywhere until Hitlerism.

    In general, a black swastika in a white circle is considered to be Nazi symbols. the swastika is a stylized image of such a reality.

    I apologize for the mistakes. Russian does not appear in a rondian language

    and what is fascist?
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 22 November 2013 11: 18
      +1
      Quote: siberko
      and what is fascist?

      Is there such a thing? And in what language are no capital letters and punctuation marks?
      To flood and troll so write cuneiform or nodular writing. hi
  42. Liss.
    Liss. 22 November 2013 11: 04
    +2
    Quote: slovak007
    I fully support, I also don’t understand how hockey players could go out on the ice after that, it seems that the loot has muddied everyone’s mind!

    And I think- they would look offended by cowardly morons, if so cheaply would have bought for a provocation.
    React to "bunches" of Pugs.
    And so, the backward division team fought.
    Playing “Ugra” responded with dignity.
  43. Alexei
    Alexei 22 November 2013 11: 30
    +1
    All these tolerant and "understanding" KHL leaders - resign! They are afraid, apparently, that the Schengen visa will be taken away from them, they will lose their sweets. Disgusting ...
  44. Kelnot
    Kelnot 22 November 2013 12: 07
    0
    Yes, they are all there or something ... they moved their minds ?!
    What is the difference whose symbolism this is? Everyone perceives a symbol in his own way.
  45. Buxx
    Buxx 22 November 2013 12: 08
    0
    Quote: Canep
    It is better to sew a hammer and sickle on a uniform for all hockey players, and not in the second leg, but to all the teams playing in Riga.

    It’s better to put a stick in one hand and a sickle in the other - the Baltic states are mowing down darkness
  46. Buxx
    Buxx 22 November 2013 12: 08
    0
    Quote: Canep
    It is better to sew a hammer and sickle on a uniform for all hockey players, and not in the second leg, but to all the teams playing in Riga.

    It’s better to put a stick in one hand and a sickle in the other - the Baltic states are mowing down darkness
  47. Sergg
    Sergg 22 November 2013 12: 14
    +2
    Latvia obvious inferiority complexwhen there are no sound arguments resort to Nazism. Slave psychology.
  48. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 22 November 2013 12: 31
    0
    And the liberals from Russian hockey, even if they look at it, everything is ... dew: "The KHL believes that the formation of the" Symbol of the Sun ", which is an element of the spiritual heritage, has nothing to do with Nazi ideology, but is the use of traditional symbols and ornaments of the Latvian people" ... http://rus.delfi.ee/sport/hoki/khl-v-rige-sformirovali-simvol-solnca-a-ne-nacist
    skuyu-svastiku.d? id = 67138022
  49. Kerch
    Kerch 22 November 2013 12: 33
    +1
    There is one detail - if the swastika rays go clockwise - then this is a solar symbol of light, good forces. If it is against, as the Nazis have, and in the 1st photo, then this is considered a symbol of death, a symbol of dark forces.
    1. Doctorleg
      Doctorleg 22 November 2013 14: 14
      +1
      Quote: Kerch
      There is one detail - if the swastika rays go clockwise - then this is a solar symbol of light, good forces. If it is against, as the Nazis have, and in the 1st photo, then this is considered a symbol of death, a symbol of dark forces.

      So the picture seems to be clockwise. You read the forum and you are surprised. It seems that everyone here is enemies of National Socialism, but the speech is very similar to them. After all, it was Hitler who divided the peoples into grades, calling the Slavs people of the second grade, and the Jews and Gypsies - the third. So here on the forum they write - Latvians are a flawed nation, uglepki (just like all the Balts, and if the article is about Finns, then Finns, Moldovans, etc.) How the greatness of a nation is generally assessed. I always had a question about the slogan on next door "Glory to the great Soviet people." After all, it was possible to hang a poster on your balcony "Glory to the great me!" - after all, I am Soviet! With modesty, we were all right, no worse than others wink . I served in Lithuania from 1986-1988 and was amazed at how carefully they keep their culture. A huge number of people came to the singing field in Vilnius, who listened to folk songs and sang along. There were people of all ages. Imagine how many people will come to the performance of folk groups in Russia. I remember from the USSR that they were put in the first part of the concert, and in the second - to Pugachev so that the people would not disperse and switch the TV. Here they are unhappy that they are under the EU and the States, but probably would have approved if they had been under us. But what difference does the Baltic states have? Or is our hand lighter? They don’t think so. We say that they do nothing except sprats (well, or they don’t sell with us). But what can we do? Are we like the Japanese who built a powerful economy in an area where there are no minerals? Or does our product go with a bang in developed countries? Yes, we make weapons and even send rockets into space. But could you do it NOW if you remove the raw materials? Just do not say that we made a bomb and sent a man into space shortly after the war. The economy was then another, closed type and it cost the country tremendous exertion of forces, and the arms race led to the fact that more than half of the economy worked for defense. Yes, the Latvian units took an active part in the extermination of Jews. But, for example, in the Smolensk region in October 1941 Jews were shot by policemen recruited from local residents. And I know this not from rumors, unfortunately. There are scoundrels in any nation.
      1. ytqnhfk
        ytqnhfk 22 November 2013 16: 28
        0
        You are certainly not Russian, you have a different spirit, the conversation is not about us but about the swastika!
        1. Doctorleg
          Doctorleg 22 November 2013 16: 52
          0
          Quote: ytqnhfk
          You are certainly not Russian, you have a different spirit, the conversation is not about us but about the swastika!

          An article about the swastika, but many amicably switched to nationality. And who of us who knows only our mothers, grandmothers, etc. My friend found out with surprise that her biological father is a Vietnamese wink As you know, I am extremely negative about fascism and nationalism. And what kind of spirit is this?
  50. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 22 November 2013 12: 43
    +2
    The Baltic neo-fascists have gone crazy on the symbols of German fascism. In Tallinn, on the former Peter the Great Square, then Victory Square, there is a fascist idol: "VIDEO:" Estonia amazed me, I arrived there late in the evening - there is a death-white fascist cross on the central square of the city. A hundred meters from the place where it stood a monument to the Soviet soldier, ”said Veronika Krasheninnikova, a member of the Public Chamber of the Russian Federation, on Vladimir Solovyov’s talk show“ Duedok ”(on the Russia1 TV channel) http://rus.delfi.ee/projects/opinion/video-menya-estoniya-porazila-na -centralnoj
    -ploschadi-goroda-stoit-mertvenno-belyj-fashistskij-krest.d? id = 67099860