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In one cart can not harness? .. About the union of Tel Aviv and Riyadh

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In one cart can not harness? .. About the union of Tel Aviv and RiyadhRussian and foreign press vied with each other about a strange alliance that is growing up in the Middle East. We are talking about the strategic friendship of Saudi Arabia and Israel against Iran. Tel Aviv is extremely angry at the rapprochement at the negotiations on Iran’s nuclear program of Tehran and Washington and believes that Iran is about to produce five atomic bombs. Riyadh is also uncomfortable with the outlined political growth of the Islamic Republic of Iran: first, Iran is a raw material rival for Arabs; secondly, monarchist Wahhabis feel bad about Shiite Muslims. In Saudi Arabia itself, the Shiite minority is stably oppressed. Both "ally" - Israel and the Saudis - are also disappointed with the US policy on the Syrian issue. President Assad in Syria, who has come close to Hezbollah, does not suit Tel Aviv. This same president is not to the liking of Riyadh: after all, Assad is Shiite. The Saudis would like to turn the secular Syrian state into the territory of Sharia and another hotbed of extremist ideology.


The fact that the authorities of Israel and Saudi Arabia are preparing a joint plan of a military operation against Iran, was recently reported by the newspaper "Sight"referring to ITAR-TASS and the British edition of the Sunday Times.

“The governments of Israel and Saudi Arabia are confident that international negotiations on Iran’s nuclear program are not capable of significantly slowing Tehran’s nuclear warhead process,” the Sunday Times reported. “Everything suggests that Riyadh has already agreed to the passage of Israeli aircraft in its airspace during a possible attack on Iran.”

“As soon as the Geneva agreement is signed, an armed operation will immediately be put on the agenda,” the newspaper quotes an unnamed high-ranking diplomat. “Saudi Arabia is outside of itself, it is ready to provide Israel with any necessary assistance.”

In addition, a number of Arab and Israeli media reports that the US President ignores phone calls from the Israeli Prime Minister. The reason is just the differences between the United States and Israel on the attitude towards the Iranian nuclear program. Obama has repeatedly refused to answer Netanyahu, transferring calls to the Secretary of State.

However, it should be added, the relationship of Obama and Netanyahu did not go well before. This was often written in the Western media.

Recently, the union of Israel and the United States in general gave a political crack. At the very least, the powerful Israeli lobby in Washington received a “reprimand” from high-ranking dignitaries from the White House.

At the end of October, lobbyists of Israel’s interests in America received two vyvolochki: about the plans for the construction of a half thousand houses in East Jerusalem and about pushing through the Congress of the new sanctions against Iran.

State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki presented the US response to Israel’s statement about building 1500 housing units in East Jerusalem, reports MIGnews.com.

"We do not believe that the continuation of settlement activities or construction in East Jerusalem are those steps that create favorable conditions for (Palestinian-Israeli peace) negotiations," Psaki said at a press briefing for journalists. She added: “During the negotiations on the two states, we do not approve of connivance in terms of settlement activity or construction in East Jerusalem.”

According to "Lenta.ru" With reference to The Jerusalem Post, Obama’s national security adviser Susan Rice, her deputies Ben Rhodes and Tony Blinken, and US Under-Secretary of State Wendy Sherman met with Jewish lobbyists in Washington.

All of them demanded that lobbyists stop trying to push new sanctions through the Senate at a time when relations between the United States and Iran began to improve after three decades of discord. As the newspaper notes, the conversation of diplomats and lobbyists was going on "in raised voices."

Two weeks later, the Israeli Prime Minister ordered a review of recent settlement initiatives: the Palestinians threatened to withdraw from the peace talks. This was reported by the press service of the head of government, reports RIA News".

The press service quoted Netanyahu as saying: “This step is not beneficial for the settlements. On the contrary, it hurts. This is a meaningless step, both from a legal and practical point of view, an action that creates unnecessary confrontation with the international community at a time when we are making efforts to convince him to improve the terms of the deal with Iran. ”

Construction Minister Uri Ariel received a scolding from the prime minister: “At such a time, the attention of the international community cannot be diverted from the main task - to prevent an agreement with Iran that would allow it to continue its military-nuclear program. Your actions as a member of the government should be coordinated and thought out. ”

Tel Aviv, as the media notes, went to a rapprochement with Saudi Arabia, apparently because Washington was desperate to wait for an allied decision regarding Iran. In addition, Saudi Arabia not only refused a place in the UN Security Council, but also in the person of the prince and chief intelligence officer of the kingdom Bandar bin Sultan disassociated herself from the United States, threatening to even reconsider relations with Washington. And if now the peacemaker and the Nobel laureate Obama is going to be friends with Iran, then Tel Aviv and Riyadh are ready to be friends against Iran.

How real is such a union?

Nikita Sorokin ("Voice of Russia") I interviewed experts on this topic.

Information about the Saudi-Israeli consultations caused quite contradictory opinions among analysts. It’s hard to imagine the format of such a partnership, expert-orientalist of the Institute of Strategic Assessments Sergey Demidenko told Golos Rossii.

“Of course, the general Iranian threat to some extent unites these two states, but by no means so much as to conclude a certain strategic military alliance or an anti-Iran alliance through the special services. This alliance is incredible in principle, but if we begin to fantasize on this topic, then, of course, it will not cause any enthusiasm in other Arab countries. No country in the Arab world is ready to admit Israel. ”


However, the anti-Iranian alliance of Riyadh and Tel Aviv is not so unnatural, said Nikolai Surkov, assistant professor of the Department of Oriental Studies at MGIMO. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Rumors about contacts between Saudi Arabia and Israel on the Iranian issue went long ago, Surkov reminded.

“It’s hard to call an alliance, it’s rather some kind of coordination of efforts, because, of course, no official documents will be signed. Moreover, the neighbors of Saudi Arabia also see Iran as a threat, and, in principle, if it is possible to neutralize this Iranian nuclear threat with Israeli hands, then why not? ”


Comrade Surkov also noted that for the past 20 years, it was Saudi Arabia that did not take a tough position on Israel. The Saudis talked about the need to contain Israel by political and diplomatic methods, but it was not a question of military confrontation.

Brian Murphy (The Associated Press), whose material was published ABC News 20 November, indicates that, strange as this couple looks, but Israel and the Arab states of the Persian Gulf, led by Saudi Arabia, find a common language - and even a common political language. They are united by mutual concern about Iran, which “probes” the capabilities of Washington. The “nuclear deal” will be able to curb Tehran’s nuclear program, but leave its main element intact - uranium enrichment.

According to Theodore Karasik, a security and policy specialist at the Dubai Military Analytical Institute of the Middle East and the Persian Gulf, the journalist cites the above-mentioned adage: “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.” This saying reflects the current relations of Saudi Arabia and Israel.

On November 11, Saudi Press Agency published an official statement, categorically denying material published in the British newspaper The Sunday Times, which referred to the Tel Avia and Riyadh alliance, jointly planning to attack Iran if diplomacy cannot stop Tehran’s nuclear program.

However, observers continue to write about negotiations between Israel and Saudi Arabia. After all, the roots of their fears about Iran - if not alone, then grow side by side.

Israel considers nuclear Iran, the journalist writes further, to be a direct threat to its existence after decades, during which Iranian leaders conducted anti-Israel rhetoric. Israel fears a shift in the regional balance of power. Tel Aviv is believed to have its own nuclear arsenal, but neither confirms nor denies its presence.

In turn, Iran denies that it is developing nuclear weapon. But any of his dealings with world powers is considered a cause for concern: all this may in the future lead to the fact that Iran will demand to put pressure on Israel - about the presence of its nuclear warheads.

Saudi Arabia, which usually sets the political tone for the rest of the Persian Gulf, also sees Iran as a dangerous neighbor. Riyadh and its partners in the Gulf are major customers in the procurement of US weapons and aircraft. In addition, Gulf monarchies allow the Pentagon to have bases in the region, including the 5th headquarters fleet Navy in Bahrain. During his November visit to the Middle East, US Secretary of State John Kerry assured Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal that Washington considers relations with Riyadh to be strong and strong. However, Washington’s refusal to attack Syria caused anger in Riyadh: after all, the Saudis are the main supporters of the Syrian rebels, whose aid channels are believed to be personally supervised by intelligence head Prince Bandar bin Sultan.

Daria Tsilyurik ("Independent newspaper") cites the opinion of the Orientalist, President of the Institute of Religion and Politics Alexander Ignatenko. More than three years ago, on the pages of NG, he wrote that the Israeli-Arabian consensus on Iran was being formed in the Middle East. Sly Arabians would like to get rid of Iran with Israelis. The expert has repeatedly spoken about a secret agreement between Saudi Arabia and Israel, under which the Saudis have promised to provide their territory for Israeli aircraft in case they go to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities.

As Comrade Ignatenko emphasized in an interview with an NG correspondent, the British newspaper Sunday Times reported to experts:

“I am sure that these agreements exist for quite a long time and will be implemented if Iran, according to Israel and Saudi Arabia, comes closer to the ability to manufacture a nuclear bomb and connect it with the means of delivery. This situation is absolutely unacceptable neither for Israel, nor for the Arabian monarchies. Tel Aviv and Riyadh will not allow this. ”


The very fact of publication in the Sunday Times, which is rumored in the global media environment, to the Israeli position, is interesting. The informational stuffing, the expert noted, can be viewed as a threat to Iran and a warning to the countries of the “six”.

Probably, this warning was heeded by US Secretary of State John Kerry. Of the last News it is known that he warned Iran about a nuclear program.

21 november portal PanARMENIAN.Netreferring to Interfax, quoted Kerry as saying:

“Iran wants to gain time to step up its nuclear program. The United States will not allow Tehran to use for this negotiations with the "six".


Commenting on the meeting in Geneva, the Secretary of State also told reporters:

"We will not allow this agreement, if it is reached, become a gain of time, or we will not allow such an agreement that will not meet our interests related to our main concerns."


Further, the state secretary noted that the Geneva Six talks with Iran are the most realistic chance in the past decade "to achieve progress and suspend the Iranian nuclear program."

In turn, on the day of the resumption of talks on the Iranian nuclear program in Geneva (November 20) Ayatollah Ali Khamenei spoke in Tehran. He said that in the course of the negotiations his country “not one iota” would not depart from its rights. His words leads "Euronews":

"I insist that the rights of the Iranian nation are protected, including those related to nuclear research."


Ayatollah also stressed that he would not directly intervene in the negotiations in Geneva, but that he had set the “red lines” for the Iranian delegation. And for them she "has no right to retreat."

There is no information about closed negotiations in the press.

The coming days will show where the wind will blow in the Middle East.

Observed and translated by Oleg Chuvakin
- especially for topwar.ru
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  1. awg75
    awg75 22 November 2013 08: 03 New
    +8
    take my word --- Jews for money will be friends with anyone, even with a damn bald
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 22 November 2013 08: 55 New
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      Quote: ...
      take my word --- Jews for money will be friends with anyone, even with a damn bald


      Now the word is not in price. We won how much they promise.
      Here the interest is mutually beneficial Iran and Saudi Arabia - the opponents are long-standing and irreconcilable, the Saudis supported Hussein in the war with Iran, do not forget the confessional differences Back in 2009, the popular Shiite leader Nimr al-Nimr, who had long criticized the Saudi dynasty for ties with Washington, called for the creation of a Shiite state on the basis of the eastern provinces of Saudi Arabia, where most of the Shiites (sympathizing with Iran) of the kingdom are concentrated, and Bahrain, 75% of the population of which are Shiites. It is in the areas inhabited by Shiites that the main oil fields are concentrated.
    2. atalef
      atalef 22 November 2013 09: 00 New
      -2
      Quote: awg75
      take my word --- Jews for money will be friends with anyone, even with a damn bald

      It’s interesting, and who's bothering anyone?
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 22 November 2013 09: 16 New
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        Quote: atalef
        It’s interesting, who’s bumping anyone here


        That's it. It seems that both are not the poorest guys on the planet. It's not about the money. Here the relatives consult
        1. atalef
          atalef 22 November 2013 15: 32 New
          +2
          Quote: Vadivak
          Here the relatives consult


          Well, in general, the Arabs - our cousins ​​- so that everything in the family laughing tongue
      2. duke
        duke 22 November 2013 13: 03 New
        +3
        laughed heartily at your Odessa humor lol I believe, in this case, the Saudis are ready to bash, who are interested in bombing the Persians with Israeli hands. I hope the Israelis have enough wisdom and practicality to understand that they are ... trying to crush hedgehogs. But for the Israelis, in this situation, aerobatics would be (if war is inevitable) - not to get involved in the conflict themselves, but to dodge and knock Iran and the KSA with their heads directly, while still remaining on the sidelines. Israel's participation in the war on the side of the Saudis will sharply strengthen the position of the Sunnis in the region, but it will not change the attitude towards Israel and I do not think that in the long term, in such a "friendly" environment, it is beneficial. For good Jerusalem, it would be better to start carefully restoring relations with Iran, following the example of an overseas patron who does nothing just like that, but creates a system of checks and balances, instead of waving a sword, despite the real power in the regional (I'm not talking about the world ) layout.
        1. faraon
          faraon 22 November 2013 13: 43 New
          -9
          But in this case, the goals are shared by both Israel and the Saudis, and then, judging by the map, there are three routes for this operation. But the Saudis proposed their own solution to this problem. Moreover, Israel already bombed Iran’s Bushehr nuclear power plant. successfully pushing the decision of the nuclear program for several years. For Israel it is vitally necessary, for the Saudis it is strengthening their positions in the BV. So even though the goals are different, there is only one enemy.
          As regards the restoration of relations with Iran, it was not Israel who threatened to wipe the face of the earth, but on the contrary, Iran made such statements. So, what kind of relations can be discussed
          1. atalef
            atalef 22 November 2013 15: 33 New
            0
            Quote: faraon
            Especially since Israel already bombed Iran’s Bushehr nuclear power plant, and it did so successfully by pushing the decision of the nuclear program a few le

            Seriously ? Maybe I missed something? belay
            1. duke
              duke 22 November 2013 16: 37 New
              +2
              perhaps he confused Iran with Iraq, where they bombed a nuclear center near Baghdad, even under Saddam, this happens when they wishful thinking. lol
            2. kotvov
              kotvov 22 November 2013 22: 34 New
              0
              you are sorry where you live, or probably how old you are. don’t know google, I think you need to clean your head a little.
            3. Rusich51
              Rusich51 23 November 2013 16: 46 New
              0
              Quote: atalef
              Quote: faraon
              Especially since Israel already bombed Iran’s Bushehr nuclear power plant, and it did so successfully by pushing the decision of the nuclear program a few le

              Seriously ? Maybe I missed something? belay


              There was a raid, was - a few years ago. There was a noise. Jews and so physicists urinate Iranian. The Persians of Beria do not.
      3. APES
        APES 22 November 2013 15: 50 New
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        It’s interesting, and who's bothering anyone?


        not important since ending like this:

        “Well, it was necessary to warm up on such a bastard’s chest!” Thought the snake.
    3. Apollo
      Apollo 22 November 2013 09: 36 New
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      Quote: awg75
      take my word --- Jews for money will be friends with anyone, even with a damn bald


      For harshness (excuse me), but speaking in the words of Vladimir Putin, you wrote utter nonsense, and here is the money ?! winked Iran has repeatedly threatened and threatened physical existence the State of Israel and does not recognize it as such. Moreover, it seeks to possess nuclear weapons. For which:
      1. Be a nuclear regional power.
      2. You forgot about the main thing, the export of the Islamic revolution. All Arab countries are afraid of this revolution like fire.
      3. Personally, Azerbaijan and I do not need such a neighborhood with such a state. Imagine mullahs and nuclear weapons-nonsense.
      4. And finally, the last. Why do secular countries not strive for possession of nuclear weapons ?!

      quote-However, the anti-Iranian alliance of Riyadh and Tel Aviv is not so unnatural, said Nikolai Surkov, assistant professor of oriental studies at MGIMO. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Rumors about contacts between Saudi Arabia and Israel on Iranian issues have been around for a long time, Surkov recalled.

      I am inclined to believe why, I explain, for the sake of its survival, Israel will do anything, including an alliance with even the devil itself.
      Now Israel is trying to disavow the leak of information, but alas, it has already leaked and Iran itself is not asleep.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 22 November 2013 10: 04 New
        -4
        This is not a leak. Let’s say the leak was in Syria - one of the blows to the warehouses at the White House in Jerusalem was very angry. In general, the policy of the current Washington administration is a jamb on a jamb.
      2. dmb
        dmb 22 November 2013 10: 20 New
        +6
        Mullahs with an atomic bomb, not gut. However, as well as representatives of other faiths. Orthodox Jews are no better in this matter, and on the site you can find a lot of gentlemen who consider themselves Orthodox and at the same time yearning for the absence of Buchenwald. As for the export of the Islamic revolution that you mentioned, then perhaps the Iranian mullahs are so far from the Saudis and Qatar. I understand your concern about the Iranian problem, but here, in my opinion, there are ways to solve it in the conclusion of a defense alliance, not with distant overseas friends, who of course will help if something happens, but helping, by an ingrained habit, can miss and to swing around the territory of an ally, but with the same Russia. I think that in this situation the mullahs that with the bomb, that without it will be much more peaceful.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 22 November 2013 11: 04 New
          +3
          Quote: dmb
          I think that in this situation the mullahs that with the bomb, that without it will be much more peaceful.
          I basically agree with you, but not with the last sentence.
          Mullahs, by definition, cannot be more peaceful, since jihad against infidels is spelled out in religion, and religion in principle is irrational (not only Islam, "I believe because it is absurd [Credo quia absurdum]" is from Catholicism). And having got the bomb, they may want to make the entire Iranian people martyrs and send them to the Hurias in the name of jihad.
          1. faraon
            faraon 22 November 2013 11: 24 New
            -6
            Well, something like this, as soon as Iran receives nuclear weapons, it will immediately begin nuclear blackmail of the whole world under the slogan of global jihad, and then no sanctions will help.
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 22 November 2013 14: 00 New
          -2
          Quote: dmb
          I understand your concern about the Iranian problem, but here, in my opinion, there are ways to solve it in the conclusion of a defense alliance, not with distant overseas friends, who of course will help in case of something, but helping, by an ingrained habit, can miss and to swing around the territory of an ally, but with the same Russia.


          Russia does not see Israel as an ally.
          1. APES
            APES 22 November 2013 15: 55 New
            +4
            Quote: Pimply
            Russia does not see Israel as an ally


            and rightly so ...
          2. duke
            duke 22 November 2013 17: 48 New
            0
            but is it good or bad that does not see ???
          3. dmb
            dmb 22 November 2013 21: 34 New
            +8
            Sir you are mistaken. I did not write to you, but to the respected Apollo. As for Israel, God save Russia from such an alliance. The union must be mutually beneficial.
          4. smile
            smile 23 November 2013 02: 28 New
            +5
            Pimply
            Excuse me, it would be interesting how we can see you as an ally if you are the closest ally of a country that wants to reduce us to its colony .... Iran hasn’t spoiled you like that, and it threatened you by an order of magnitude less than the US does .... and with less motivation than Iran ... and this is over a hundred years old .... you are sober ... don’t you understand?
            Or do you think that we have no reason to regard Israel as a devoted satellite of the most dangerous enemy? And who can Israel be for us? An ally? :)))
            1. builder
              builder 23 November 2013 02: 32 New
              0
              Everything is correct (over a hundred years, probably, got excited)
              1. smile
                smile 23 November 2013 03: 13 New
                +2
                builder
                I began to count from the period of fierce American support for the Japanese ... and pushing the first second to the Russo-Japanese war of 1904 .... I think this should not be considered? Or is it the bloody commissars forced the Americans to push the Japanese to war with us in order to warm their hands in the war and try to bend the Far East under themselves? Including our territories? And then they landed in the same sequence on our Far East a little later, during the intervention ....
                This, too, I got excited :))) ... or was it burning before me ... something more than a hundred years ago? :))) Now, by the way, 2013 ... :)))
                Maybe I'm hot ... but not so ... :)))
        3. Professor
          Professor 22 November 2013 14: 32 New
          -4
          Quote: dmb
          I think that in this situation the mullahs that with the bomb, that without it will be much more peaceful.

          Mules, rabbis and priests are not as evil as Ayatollahs.
          1. vadson
            vadson 22 November 2013 14: 56 New
            +3
            as it says? Do not judge and you will not be judged ...
          2. smile
            smile 23 November 2013 02: 41 New
            +3
            Professor
            Do you really think that Wahhabi guys are better than Ayatollahs? You see, in the modern world, only the Said people introduced the laws in tune with the Nuremberg ... regarding Christians ... well, you know .... these are Nazis of the highest standard, only religious ... so we looked at the Wahhabis, are Jews do not know about them? And again, as over half a century ago, Saudi Nazis are supported, strengthened, as before, German ones .... and the same countries ... well, where are you looking?

            You know, I don’t see worse symbiosis than an ayatollah-gruppenführer ... if in Russian this is a Wahhabi imam ....
            1. Professor
              Professor 23 November 2013 08: 37 New
              -4
              Quote: smile
              Do you really think that Wahhabi guys are better than Ayatollahs?

              Radish horseradish is not sweeter. However, the Saudis do not spin centrifuges in underground bunkers and, bypassing the agreements, do not build pluton reactors and do not threaten to erase Israel from the world map. That’s the whole difference.
        4. bif
          bif 22 November 2013 21: 22 New
          +3
          Quote: dmb
          Mullahs with an atomic bomb, not gut. However, as well as representatives of other faiths. Orthodox Jews are no better in this matter

          Therefore, the only solution to the situation is the denuclearization of all participants ... Just as Netanyahu suggested - "according to the Syrian scenario" - To oblige ALL countries (primarily Israel) to disclose their arsenals and, under the strict control of the IAEA, confiscate, as well as close control over enrichment to the "peaceful atom".
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 22 November 2013 22: 23 New
            -5
            Is not.
      3. Rusich51
        Rusich51 23 November 2013 16: 48 New
        +3
        Isn't it time to bomb the nuclear center in Dimon?
    4. Dezzed
      Dezzed 22 November 2013 11: 21 New
      -8
      Dear expert on the Jewish soul, have you read the article?

      or do you just want to enlighten about the Jews?
    5. alone
      alone 22 November 2013 21: 36 New
      +1
      this is a real fact of the operation of the principle "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Israel and the SA will not create joint troops, they will not even recognize each other diplomatically
      but the SA can actually launch an air strike group through its territory to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities. And it can even provide refueling for aircraft. this is entirely possible.
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 22 November 2013 08: 05 New
    +5
    The deal with the devil has not benefited anyone.
    1. Canep
      Canep 22 November 2013 08: 29 New
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      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      The deal with the devil has not benefited anyone.

      Who do you mean by the definition of "devil"? CA or Israel? I think it's a deal of two devils.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 22 November 2013 09: 12 New
        +1
        I think the devil and the devil decided to play cards with each other - hehe who will deceive anyone?
        1. Dezzed
          Dezzed 22 November 2013 11: 29 New
          -2
          And you mean of the angels you will be Comrade. LEKHA?
          Whose flag did you hide with the flag of the USSR? please tell me. Then it will be possible to adequately discuss the moral character of your country of residence.

          And then because of the mask of someone else’s flag people call the devils not in a cowboy way.
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 22 November 2013 14: 11 New
            +7
            I agree - I am not sinless, I’ll say I live directly in NOVOSIBIRSK.
            Do not take my words to the ordinary citizens of ISRAEL; I had in mind the government elite and the JEWISH LOBBY in various countries - whose activities raise many questions. smile
            As for the people - when they send terrorists and radical preachers to the territory of RUSSIA, then for me they are the devils and devils all in one person with whom we must fight as evil spirits.
            1. Dezzed
              Dezzed 22 November 2013 15: 15 New
              -4
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              As for the people - when they send terrorists to the territory of RUSSIA


              Maybe I am mistaken, but it seems that the Jews of Israel did not send terrorists to Russia.
              1. Same lech
                Same lech 22 November 2013 15: 22 New
                +6
                You are not mistaken, there are no complaints, there really was one puncture IN GEORGIA when your military specialists delivered weapons to SAAKASHVILI and trained the truth for a short time.

                However, your hehe guys prevail in all kinds of revolutionary movements where you need to shake the foundations of the state here you have no equal.
                One Trotsky was worth what - about modern revolutionaries and not to mention.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 22 November 2013 15: 40 New
                  -3
                  Quote: The same LYOKHA
                  You are not mistaken, there are no complaints, there really was one puncture IN GEORGIA when your military specialists delivered weapons to SAAKASHVILI and trained the truth for a short time.

                  Here you are right. Ukraine and Serbia have been supplying weapons much longer laughing
                  1. Same lech
                    Same lech 22 November 2013 16: 20 New
                    +1
                    Yes it was - like fraternal peoples and tobacco apart.
                    Alas, these are the metamorphoses of politics. recourse
                2. Dezzed
                  Dezzed 22 November 2013 16: 03 New
                  -3
                  I agree that Trotsky was a bloodthirsty shot, but also Dzhugashvili was not a boy scout.

                  I assume that there are no complaints against the Georgian people because of Stalin?

                  PS Trotsky made a revolution shoulder to shoulder with Lenin, Zinoviev, Kamenev, Bukharin
                  etc. etc.

                  It’s hard for me to understand PSS sometimes, many Forum people vehemently defend the October Revolution and the Soviet system.
                  but at the same time they scold the Jews for participating in this revolution.
                  1. smile
                    smile 23 November 2013 03: 48 New
                    +3
                    Dezzed
                    The number of members of the forum supporting the Bolsheviks, as the only force that could pull Russia out of their agony, where the liberals drove it to destroy the monarchy, and then along with the army, financial, transport systems .... (and before them nicholas) significantly prevails over those who swears at the Jews ...
                    You see, the role of the Jews in the October Revolution is still exaggerated ... and often the enemies of the bad Bolsheviks, in which the Jews really gained equal rights with the rest ...
                    What, the Bolsheviks were wrong? Jews had to spread rot as in European countries? Or in the late thirties did one have to be reluctant to accept or not accept Jewish refugees from Germany at all, as all enlightened Europeans and some countries of Latin and South America, the USA did?

                    You are ... that ... you don’t particularly attack the forum users — don’t you know what they are talking about on some Jewish Russian-language sites ... I confess, I read it reluctantly, and it’s rare - why should I rub my head with rubbish and links to my colleagues they threw off, because the bay is for anti-Semites .... but if you need it, I’ll give ... your compatriots say that there .... no worse than the Nazis, in the same words .... for such words in relation to any nation, our moderators deprived would inherit any, would be castrated, taken into slavery and put up for sale on the slave market ... to your allies, Wahhabis ... :)))))

                    And on most of your sites, Russophobia is not a violation ... or, in your opinion, is this normal?
                    So, dear comrade, please don’t have to touch the site and forum users ... and don’t have to conscience us, look, do you have any conscience .. you simply don’t have such tolerant sites with such strict rules ....
                    By the way, will you have enough to admit the courage and conscience to acknowledge this fact? :))) Honestly - interesting! :)))) but something tells me that no .... but can you disappoint me, huh?

                    By the way, since we, it seems, didn’t quarrel with you, that’s why I inform you right away that I don’t have the slightest relation to admins, and they tear me for rudeness just like everyone else ... although, it seems to me, sometimes it’s harder .. .for what I’m melting to the bottom of malice ..... :))))) so that it is possible and necessary to complain about me ... if it sweeps :)))))
                    1. faraon
                      faraon 23 November 2013 14: 43 New
                      -4
                      Well, of course, you’re right, dear Smail, but explain to me how the 2 millionth Jewish population of Tsarist Russia (including infants) living on reserves (the Pale of Settlement), having no rights, could stir up the 200 millionth Russia, which subsequently led to irreversible consequences. The Jews agreed that dynamite which exploded. But there were probably other reasons for this explosion. The short-sighted policy of the tsarist authorities in promoting state reforms, Why didn’t the Russians occupy and lead the revolution in Russia? But they went like a flock of rams to slaughter.
                      Sorry for the harshness, but these questions are as gnawing at me as you are.
                      For example, my grandfather graduated from a commercial school in Moldova, was drafted to the Red Army, where he fought in Budyonny's army as a simple fighter (say the paradox of a Jew and Budenny's horseman, but that is, there are corresponding documents confirming this) After the civilian with his family he moved to Donbass went to work at the Voikova mine as a konogon, then, as the most competent foreman, accountant and so on, eventually became the head of the material technical department of the Lisichansk coal trust (there is a mandate signed by Stalin for this). supplies of the Ukrainian front.

                      In my opinion, it was the same product of the Soviet system as we all who were born and raised in the USSR. As for respects, they bypassed my family. My grandfather was a party member like most at that time. And apparently he obeyed party discipline.
                      1. smile
                        smile 24 November 2013 23: 00 New
                        +3
                        faraon
                        I’m going to swear at you ... forgive me ... appreciate the officer of the Fleet of His Majesty, having married a Jewess, had to resign ... and they were leaving ... a Jew who married, married with a change of faith .... Jews themselves died ... in general ... did not communicate with him and despised ... what is better, what do you think?
                        the more so because the Pale of Settlement - in some large cities, Jews were not allowed to settle - this is a feature that limited a small part of the country ... a strange reservation, a large part of the country. :)))

                        And further, I want to tell you the following:
                        My grandmother lived in a suburb of Vilna, a farm ... fascists came ... on the farms they hid a Jewish teacher with a daughter, a three-year-old baby ... they lived with her grandmother for two weeks ... the grandmother made friends with the girl ... combed her hair ... she sewed toys ... since the Poles were afraid that they would hit, Jews were transferred to neighboring farms .... granny made friends with the girl and went to visit her ... she made sweets ... she witnessed how the Polish auxiliary police came to the farm where a Jew was hiding .... with a girl .... the teacher didn’t reach my grandmother, (got a bullet in the back, but, unfortunately, did not die right away), hiding in the bushes about fifty meters .... Jews went under bayonets ... the child, too ... the whole Polish family that harbored them - they shot ... children, as I understand it, 3-4 years old ... the corpses of the Poles were thrown into a burned house ... Jews were thrown on the spot. .. grandma buried the girl .... still remembers how the girl was dressed ....
                        My grandmother's family was not upset that the Jews were brutally killed, but grandma remembered that ... Grandma still had reasons to think badly about her compatriots ... I don't want to talk ... but she did not forgive this girl to her compatriots ... because, when two dirty and smelly Russian soldiers jumped into the dugout in which they were hiding, asking for some water ... they were given water, they jumped out and immediately crackled with machine guns, throwing mugs on the floor .... Granny's mother said, "Russssssskie ssssvinyi" - they didn't even say thank you ... and my grandmother answered, it's better to be a pig than a Pole ... ... this kid left home to help in the hospital ... and that's why she met my grandfather, and I am ... So. what is not necessary ... we all can tell a lot ...
                3. Revolver
                  Revolver 22 November 2013 20: 53 New
                  +1
                  Quote: The same LYOKHA
                  One Trotsky was worth what - about modern revolutionaries and not to mention.

                  As one of the Ukrainian rabbis used to say: "The Trotskys make the revolution, and the Bronsteins suffer."
                  Quote: The same LYOKHA
                  IN GEORGIA when your military specialists supplied weapons to SAAKASHVILI and taught the truth for a short time.
                  If we compare the volume of supplies with what the USSR / Russia supplied to the Arabs for decades, then several unarmed drones and I don't remember what kind of electronics there is - a drop in the ocean. And they didn’t supply it to Russia, as they say, “only business, nothing personal”. But for what beautiful eyes were the supplies to the Arabs worth billions of dollars? After all, not for money, but on credit, which was then regularly written off in order to put on credit again and write off again.
              2. kotvov
                kotvov 22 November 2013 22: 44 New
                +1
                do you even write the country, Russia, write correctly. and at the expense of terrorists we’ll figure it out, who armed Georgia?
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 22 November 2013 22: 53 New
                  -2
                  Quote: kotvov
                  do you even write the country, Russia, write correctly. and at the expense of terrorists we’ll figure it out, who armed Georgia?

                  Well, for starters, Georgia was armed with more than 30 countries. Among others - Russia, Ukraine, Serbia. Surprise. And the only country that has stopped deliveries to Georgia at the request of Russia is Israel. Here is another surprise.
            2. atalef
              atalef 22 November 2013 15: 39 New
              0
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              JEWISH LOBBY

              Lyokha - the enemy must be known in person, LOBBY - is spelled correctly laughing
              1. Apollo
                Apollo 22 November 2013 15: 42 New
                +3
                Quote: atalef
                Lyokha - the enemy must be known in person, LOBBY - is spelled correctly

                or maybe he meant lobya in our bean. laughing
                1. atalef
                  atalef 22 November 2013 15: 54 New
                  +1
                  Jewish lobya?
                  Interesting layout laughing
                  Good day Apollo and enjoy your meal !!!!!!!!
              2. Same lech
                Same lech 22 November 2013 16: 22 New
                +2
                In a hurry - I do not pay attention to the grammar, I apologize.
      2. AVV
        AVV 22 November 2013 13: 33 New
        0
        Radish horseradish is not sweeter !!!
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 22 November 2013 15: 44 New
          +2
          Quote: AVV
          Horseradish radish is not sweeter

          That's right.
    2. atalef
      atalef 22 November 2013 15: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      The deal with the devil has not benefited anyone.

      In general, Khamenai called America and the USSR the Big Devil, and Israel the lesser devil.
      So a deal with who?
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 22 November 2013 15: 46 New
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        In general, Khamenai called America and the USSR the Big Devil, and Israel the lesser devil.


        The average devil, as I understand the Saudis. laughing
      2. Same lech
        Same lech 22 November 2013 16: 26 New
        +4
        Well, you Jews for the people - you won’t grab you for anything, slippery as an eel, find the answer to everything. smile

        I think the Soviet school.
        1. atalef
          atalef 22 November 2013 19: 34 New
          -3
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          Well, you Jews for the people - you won’t grab you for anything, slippery as an eel, find the answer to everything.

          Try to catch the cropped ..... Suddenly you get bully
          1. duke
            duke 22 November 2013 19: 50 New
            +3
            but just in case with sandpaper, for reliability good
          2. kotvov
            kotvov 22 November 2013 22: 52 New
            +3
            yes to hell you need, "elusive", you will not have to. pray to God that in general thanks to the USSR appeared. but you don’t have a feeling of gratitude. Only the feeling of profit than that.
  3. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 22 November 2013 08: 10 New
    +7
    In general, the "sweet couple" - one is strangled by greed (Riyadh), the second (Tel Aviv) ... with the second it is more difficult, the latter themselves do not yet know what they are want,but want Yes, there is also a third (Paris) to them, well, this one instead of a "gasket". wink
    1. vadson
      vadson 22 November 2013 15: 05 New
      +1
      live well as they say!
      A good life is even better!
      for sure! ©
      that's what both of them want.
      the Saudis will run out of oil, the candy wrappers will remain, and in connection with the upcoming global schucher associated with the oil bucks, they will remain bare-backed. their task is to continue to control hydrocarbons bv.
      with the Jews, everything is a little more complicated, they have only "friends" in turbans around them :-) but they want to live well. they have me. and, in principle, they can beat any state bv in the head. without fear of response. but soon this lafa may end because they do not need a lot of Yao. from this and rage ... it was necessary to behave correctly before, right now there would be fewer problems
  4. makarov
    makarov 22 November 2013 08: 12 New
    +5
    It’s possible to harness it into one cart, even Krylov predicted this in a work about a swan, cancer and a pike.
    1. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 22 November 2013 08: 16 New
      +5
      Are you talking about "once a swan canceroh pike "... That's exactly. Here only the roles in the" performance "are not defined yet. hi
  5. Humpty
    Humpty 22 November 2013 08: 15 New
    +4
    The fact that Wahhabis and Zionists have many common interests and act together was evident during the first war in Chechnya. Two countries with different, but surprisingly hateful ideologies.
    1. Dezzed
      Dezzed 22 November 2013 11: 31 New
      +2
      And what interests do Iranian Shiites and Russian Orthodox have in common?
      1. Oberst_71
        Oberst_71 22 November 2013 12: 33 New
        0
        interests alone! keep tense israel. to force them to arm themselves, to cause a constant influx of people into Israel to serve in the army.
        1. faraon
          faraon 22 November 2013 12: 51 New
          0
          Israel has kept its finger on the trigger from the moment of the state’s founding, as far as armaments are concerned, it’s abundant here too, and as regards the influx, it goes on constantly. And the army for this Middle East region is very large, but if necessary, 4000000 people will stand under arms for 12 hours, in the next 12 million more will come from abroad.
          this is not the case. In another, he will not allow the creation of an atomic bomb. Let them build the nuclear power plants as much as they want but the enrichment of uranium for nuclear power plants should be carried out in another country.
          1. vadson
            vadson 22 November 2013 15: 11 New
            +1
            on what basis should enrichment be done in ANOTHER country. In general, in connection with the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons, Israel should transfer its nuclear weapons under international control. no one allowed you to acquire yao, but you got it. where do double standards come from? from this point of view, why Iran cannot have EVEN NOT NUCLEAR AND THE RIGHT TO NUCLEAR ENERGY? he can, and has the right. for me, in this regard, Iran is much prettier than Israel.
            1. Professor
              Professor 22 November 2013 15: 14 New
              0
              Quote: vadson
              no one allowed you to acquire yao, but you got it

              And we did not ask anyone and did not violate any contracts. wink

              from this point of view, why Iran cannot have EVEN NOT NUCLEAR AND THE RIGHT TO NUCLEAR ENERGY?

              Do not write nonsense, the Bushehr nuclear power plant does not bother anyone.
              1. vadson
                vadson 22 November 2013 15: 33 New
                +3
                Quote: Professor
                Quote: vadson
                no one allowed you to acquire yao, but you got it

                And we did not ask anyone and did not violate any contracts. wink

                from this point of view, why Iran cannot have EVEN NOT NUCLEAR AND THE RIGHT TO NUCLEAR ENERGY?

                Do not write nonsense, the Bushehr nuclear power plant does not bother anyone.

                Now, then you can and they can not? and insolent red face and ask again?
                at the expense of nonsense, and where do you get your nuclear weapons? at home? why can't they? why would they pay someone for enrichment if they can? You do not like? so bear with my beauty ...
                1. Professor
                  Professor 22 November 2013 15: 38 New
                  0
                  Quote: vadson
                  why can't they?

                  Because they signed the Non-Proliferation Treaty, but Israel does not. Accordingly, Israel does not violate anything, but they violate.
                  1. vadson
                    vadson 22 November 2013 15: 47 New
                    +3
                    if you have a hot iron (sanctions) on your stomach you put anything you sign
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 22 November 2013 15: 51 New
                      -2
                      Quote: vadson
                      if you have a hot iron (sanctions) on your stomach you put anything you sign

                      And who will deliver then?
                      1. vadson
                        vadson 22 November 2013 16: 42 New
                        +1
                        nothing is eternal under the Moon
                      2. atalef
                        atalef 22 November 2013 19: 36 New
                        0
                        Quote: vadson
                        atalef (3) Today, 15:51 ↑
                        Quote: vadson
                        if you have a hot iron (sanctions) on your stomach you put anything you sign

                        atalef
                        And who will deliver then?


                        Quote: vadson
                        nothing is eternal under the Moon

                        Beautifully moved out of the answer, so who will put it?
    2. duke
      duke 22 November 2013 12: 44 New
      +2
      I believe the same as the Jews and the Saudi Sunnis hi
    3. makarov
      makarov 22 November 2013 14: 01 New
      +1
      In the time of Brezhnev, they would say in plain text, and even t.s. without rudeness: The bonds of friendship, brotherhood in views, and good neighborliness ....
      So grandfather Ilyich clearly proved to the curious that his great-grandfather was a Shiite
    4. builder
      builder 24 November 2013 23: 30 New
      0
      Quote: DezzeD
      And what interests do Iranian Shiites and Russian Orthodox have in common?
  • Tatarus
    Tatarus 22 November 2013 08: 17 New
    +3
    The country is with a gulkin nose, but the whole world should listen to what Israel thinks there ... He considers Shekeli. What else should he consider.
  • Ahmed Osmanov
    Ahmed Osmanov 22 November 2013 09: 10 New
    0
    Recently, news slipped that the head of Saudi intelligence again flies to Russia.
  • DAGESTAN333
    DAGESTAN333 22 November 2013 09: 15 New
    +3
    Can’t you harness one cart?
    - In fact, they have long been in the same cart. The top gangs of the Saudis are related to noble Jewish families. That is, at the very least, Israel has a decisive influence on the policy of the Saudi family.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 22 November 2013 10: 00 New
      +9
      Quote: DAGESTANETS333
      The top gangs of the Saudis are related to noble Jewish families.


      Family members of Ibn Saudis are well aware that Muslims around the world know their Jewish origin.

      King Faisal al-Saud stated in an interview with the Washington Post on September 17, 1969: “We, the Saudi dynasty, are relatives (cousins) of Jews: we do not share the views of Arabs or Muslims in general on the Jewish question ... we must live in peace and harmony. Our country (Arabia) is the ancestral home of the first Jew, and it is from here that they spread throughout the world. ” It was a statement by King Faisal al-Saud bin Abdel Aziz
      1. faraon
        faraon 22 November 2013 10: 31 New
        +2
        An interesting version, however, let's continue what you said, this news with a beard of at least 5656 years old, Arabs and Jews by their pedigree are cousins. Arabs are a branch of the eldest son of the father Abraham, from the maidservant Hagar Ishmael.
        According to the Torah, the king correctly interprets the relations of the Saudis and Jews, urging them to live in peace and harmony.
      2. Professor
        Professor 22 November 2013 14: 29 New
        -1
        Quote: Vadivak
        “We, the Saudi dynasty, are relatives (cousins) of the Jews: we do not share the point of view of the Arabs or Muslims in general on the Jewish question ... we must live in peace and harmony. Our country (Arabia) is the ancestral home of the first Jew, and it is from here that they spread throughout the world. ”

        They are right and wrong. Of course, Jews and Arabs are cousins ​​- descendants of Abraham. Only now Abraham came to the holy land from Mesopotamia (from Iraq) and not from the Arabian Peninsula. By the way, Hebrew and Arabic came from Aramaic and they have a lot of common words.
        1. Uncle
          Uncle 22 November 2013 15: 35 New
          +2
          Quote: Professor
          Of course, Jews and Arabs are cousins ​​- descendants of Abraham.

          Well, Professor, well done, just some kind of academician! Exactly, the Arabs are the seed of Abraham. Melech is illegitimate, but a seed. smile
        2. Vadivak
          Vadivak 22 November 2013 16: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          Of course, Jews and Arabs are cousins ​​- descendants of Abraham. Only now Abraham came to the holy land from Mesopotamia (from Iraq


          I watched a movie yesterday about the temple of Solomon. Stubborn guys. There was no temple or Jews here. This is the land of the prophet and all.
          1. atalef
            atalef 22 November 2013 19: 39 New
            -1
            Quote: Vadivak
            I watched a movie yesterday about the temple of Solomon. Stubborn guys. There was no temple or Jews here. This is the land of the prophet and all.

            Of course, Jesus was not the same, what year are we celebrating from the birth of Christ? There were no Arabs back then. And who is Jesus by nationality?
            Sorry forgot - they claim to be Ukrainian.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 22 November 2013 10: 04 New
      0
      Quote: DAGESTANETS333
      - In fact, they have long been in the same cart. The top gangs of the Saudis are related to noble Jewish families. That is, at the very least, Israel has a decisive influence on the policy of the Saudi family.

      Brilliant! BRAVO! MEDAL!
    3. duke
      duke 22 November 2013 19: 48 New
      +2
      and sho there are also not blaarodny Jewish families? laughing
  • Toporkoff
    Toporkoff 22 November 2013 09: 28 New
    +9
    I recall a joke

    "Conversation in the bath: - Abram Moiseevich," you either put on your panties or take off the cross "
  • kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 22 November 2013 09: 37 New
    +1
    Let’s be objective, and even less important than Gulkin’s, the standard of living and the scientific and technical level, defense, as if we had been cheating Israel for decades was in an unfriendly environment and with the help of its diplomacy (friendship with mattresses) and military power gave itself up still gobble up. In this sense, Israel and Russia are somewhat similar around us. There are also many friends who dream of biting us harder. But to my deep conviction, the Israeli leadership is captivated by old stereotypes and, instead of building truly tailoring relations with Russia, it is in the wake of the interests of mattresses. Israel is afraid of strengthening Iran is a mistake, the only counterbalance to the Persian monarchies was Iran, and if you put your hand in your heart, we recognize that Iran is much more sane than the Saudis. If someone thinks this is our project and we control it, then it is wrong. The Bolsheviks or the Fuhrer controlled a lot. I’m not talking about such ridiculous projects as the Alkaida or the Taliban. If Russia and Israel, this is of course fantastic, will come up with a united front, respecting each other's interests in the Middle East, everyone will close their mouths, including Saudi Arabia Kater, and quietly listen to what adult boys say in the person of Israel and Russia !!!!!!!!!
    PS Yes, if someone believes in the diplomatic victory of Russia in Syria, then I think the Jews and the Washington Regional Committee again divorced us. It seems to me that there finally came an understanding that if Ased was toppled over, then hezbal and Khamaz would seem to be a children's matinee in the light of the presence of chemical weapons, soon he would not be there and the rocknoll would start again. Israel was unable to step over itself and at least make a tactical alliance with Assad. My opinion is a mistake.
    I beg your pardon for errors 5 years to a tutor did not turn anyone over innate illiteracy
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 22 November 2013 11: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: kapitan281271
      Israel fears Iran’s gain is a mistake

      So then it is, but Iran, its top leadership believes that Israel should not be. Emotional, I agree with them, but can you imagine that all this population will be scattered all over the world, including us? Are we few Jews? I’d better swim there than ours. laughing
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 22 November 2013 11: 37 New
        0
        The President of the Philippines (in my opinion, maybe Indonesia, I don’t remember exactly), he also believes ...
      2. Dezzed
        Dezzed 22 November 2013 11: 39 New
        +3
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        I’d better swim there than ours.

        And I may want to send you for a walk with an erotic bias.
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Iran, its top leadership believes that there should not be Israel. Emotional, I agree with them

        And still, my not-so-worthy statement above is a little more worthy than your support for the calls for the destruction of people!
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 22 November 2013 12: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: DezzeD

          And I may want to send you for a walk with an erotic bias.

          Walk better alone. laughing The principle of Zionism was precisely that all Jews would come to their historical homeland. The idea is not mine, the idea belongs to the founding fathers of Israel. Since they began to emigrate to Israel, let’s do it without half measures.
          Quote: DezzeD
          your support for extermination calls!

          Something I don’t remember when I called on people to destroy. I just quoted the opinion of the Iranian leadership, and they only say that Israel should not exist as a state, and do not urge to kill Jews. fool
          1. Dezzed
            Dezzed 22 November 2013 13: 19 New
            +3
            Oh, sorry. I didn’t notice that you are white and fluffy from afar.

            And on the topic, do not fool around. I think that Iran is not going to buy us tickets for a ship from Israel, but wants the Jews to simply move to the forefathers.

            And you Ingvar 72 pretense is not to face.
            Do not be shy about your opinions, even if they are not entirely politically correct.
            For your own reasons, you hate the Jews and advocate that they, in principle, soaked everyone? Ny and what of this, this is your opinion in this worthy discussion.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 22 November 2013 13: 39 New
              +2
              Quote: DezzeD
              For your own reasons, you hate the Jews and advocate that they, in principle, soaked everyone?

              I am not shy of my opinions. I don’t have hatred for Jews, I just don’t like them, and these are different concepts. There is nothing for me to love them. They were too marked in the history of my country. Drawn so that um .. do not erase. hi
              1. atalef
                atalef 22 November 2013 15: 49 New
                +2
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                I don’t hate Jews, I just don’t like them,

                there are two cannibals
                One tells the other
                - I do not like Jews
                (second) - Uh! You just don’t know how to cook them wassat
          2. atalef
            atalef 22 November 2013 15: 48 New
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            I just quoted the opinion of the Iranian leadership, and they only say that Israel should not exist as a state, and do not urge to kill Jews.

            Yes ? And where are we going?
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 22 November 2013 16: 22 New
              0
              Quote: atalef
              Yes ? And where are we going?

              And where are you until 1948? lived?
              1. atalef
                atalef 22 November 2013 19: 44 New
                -1
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                And where are you until 1948? lived?

                Мы
                The land of Israel (Hebrew Eretz-Israel) has been sacred to the Jewish people since the time of the biblical patriarchs - Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Scientists attribute this period to the beginning of the 2nd millennium BC. e [4] According to the Bible, the Land of Israel was bequeathed to the Jews by God in order to become the Promised Land - here are all the sacred places of the Jewish people.

                The first Hebrew tribes (tribes) appear here around 1200 BC. e [1]. 250 Jewish settlements discovered here date back to this period.[2]

                Tell me, where were you (1200 BC) were?
                Sorry forgot - then you just weren’t there yet.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 22 November 2013 21: 22 New
                  +2
                  Quote: atalef
                  Then you just weren't there

                  Personally, yes, I was not. But our Scythian ancestors were even earlier. Scythian mounds are scattered throughout Eurasia. And the fact that they have not been deservedly forgotten is the merit of the scientists you mentioned. Do you not know how easy history is to correspond, for the sake of those who pay.
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 22 November 2013 22: 29 New
                    -3
                    The Scytho-Sarmatian language was part of the East Iranian subgroup of Iranian languages. So, sources of the 78rd-8th centuries [source not specified XNUMX days] are also called Scythians and the Goths of Germany. And later times, the Byzantine chronicles rank the East Slavs, Khazars, and Pechenegs as Scythians. Khazar too, notice XNUMX))
                    Brother, where did you get that birthmark?
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 23 November 2013 00: 27 New
                      0
                      Quote: Pimply
                      Brother, where did you get that birthmark?

                      How it was in the mask show
                      I'm your mother wassat
                    2. Rusich51
                      Rusich51 23 November 2013 17: 16 New
                      +1
                      Actually, the Khazars were enslaved by aliens Jews, read Gumilyov, very interesting.
                  2. atalef
                    atalef 23 November 2013 00: 25 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Personally, yes, I was not. But our Scythian ancestors were

                    Yes - Scythians WE
                    Yes - Asians WE
                    (Christmas in my opinion)
                    This is clear . that the Russians did not arise out of nothing. Vsk in general from one monkey, but ....
                    But, but a great thing.
          3. duke
            duke 22 November 2013 16: 52 New
            +2
            so that all Jews gather in one place? This would be thieves and lawyers and policemen, prostitutes and pimps, bankers and workers and peasants, and even beggars, and yet all of them are Jews ??? However, with a great sense of humor was a man - the founder of Zionism ... crying
          4. faraon
            faraon 23 November 2013 15: 27 New
            -1
            But judging by your reaction, you support the ayyatol regime, as well as the ideology pursued by them, and, consequently, politics, so how do you differ from them?
      3. Oberst_71
        Oberst_71 22 November 2013 12: 23 New
        +4
        I agree to all 100%. Vissarionovich was not in vain creating Israel. He obviously wanted to resettle them all. Did not have time.
      4. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 22 November 2013 13: 25 New
        +2
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: kapitan281271
        Israel fears Iran’s gain is a mistake

        So then it is, but Iran, its top leadership believes that Israel should not be. Emotional, I agree with them, but can you imagine that all this population will be scattered all over the world, including us? Are we few Jews? I’d better swim there than ours. laughing


        Iran's plans do not provide for the "dispersal of the population around the world", only the movement of the entire population to the sea. Emotions fail you. negative
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 22 November 2013 13: 49 New
          +1
          Quote: And Us Rat
          the departure of the population around the world "is not provided, only the movement of the entire population to the sea.

          Not aware of Iran’s plans for the Israeli population. But if they were like you say, then this would already be an occasion for the bombing of Iran. while Iran only questions the fact of the Holocaust and the legitimacy of the creation of Israel. As for the resettlement, I personally am against it, I think that on the contrary, all Jews should come to Israel, but it’s not destined to see, because Jews, like gypsies and Kurds, are essentially nomads. hi
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 22 November 2013 18: 12 New
            +3
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Quote: And Us Rat
            the departure of the population around the world "is not provided, only the movement of the entire population to the sea.

            Not aware of Iran’s plans for the Israeli population. But if they were like you say, then this would already be an occasion for the bombing of Iran. while Iran only questions the fact of the Holocaust and the legitimacy of the creation of Israel. As for the resettlement, I personally am against it, I think that on the contrary, all Jews should come to Israel, but it’s not destined to see, because Jews, like gypsies and Kurds, are essentially nomads. hi


            A small amendment, the Jews never led a nomadic life, at least voluntarily, and unlike the Kurds with the Gypsies, they have a history of statehood, albeit an ancient one. (Moreover, at one time they even managed to create 2 states that grazed among themselves.)
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 22 November 2013 18: 26 New
              +1
              Quote: And Us Rat
              Little amendment, Jews never led a nomadic lifestyle

              I talked about the ESSENCE hi
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 22 November 2013 22: 32 New
                -1
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Quote: And Us Rat
                Little amendment, Jews never led a nomadic lifestyle

                I talked about the ESSENCE hi


                The theoretical "essence" contrary to reality ... what is this? A new direction in the logical analysis system? wassat

                It smacks of the theater of the absurd lol
            2. Pimply
              Pimply 22 November 2013 22: 30 New
              0
              Three, to be more precise. First, one, which was then divided into two.
            3. duke
              duke 23 November 2013 02: 38 New
              +1
              hello arrived, and what kind of herds did the patriarchs Abraham and Jacob graze, apparently they didn’t do it voluntarily, it looks like you darling have long been in the Bible, that is, you have not looked into the Torah ... yes
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 24 November 2013 04: 19 New
                -1
                Quote: duke
                hello arrived, and what kind of herds did the patriarchs Abraham and Jacob graze, apparently they didn’t do it voluntarily, it looks like you darling have long been in the Bible, that is, you have not looked into the Torah ... yes


                In those days, ALL herds grazed.
      5. Pimply
        Pimply 22 November 2013 14: 05 New
        0
        Hitler's heirs as always emotionally at the same time?
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 22 November 2013 15: 01 New
          +1
          Quote: Pimply
          Hitler's heirs as always emotionally at the same time?

          Again about the legislation of the Russian Federation do you want to remind? laughing What does Hitler have to do with it? The initiator of the so-called Holocaust was a certain Eichmann, a Jew by nationality. The parable of the Golem does not remind? hi
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 22 November 2013 22: 34 New
            -1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            five want to remind about the legislation of the Russian Federation? What does Hitler have to do with it? The initiator of the so-called Holocaust was a certain Eichmann, a Jew by nationality. The parable of the Golem does not remind?


            Eichmann Jewry is, of course, your masterpiece. That is, Beria was the architect of the Soviet purges, but Stalin had nothing to do with it? 8))
    2. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 22 November 2013 13: 37 New
      +3
      The idea is certainly beautiful, but naive. Let's start with the fact that in an objective view from the outside, Russia is just as unreliable an ally as YUSA. Both countries by and large pursue their own interests, and put with the device on the interests of all "friends and allies" who are poured out as soon as it becomes profitable. There is no political respect in the BV for either one or the other, and most of the population wants BOTH this .. nafuy from the region - at the North Pole to be compared with pussy.
    3. Pimply
      Pimply 22 November 2013 14: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: kapitan281271
      In this sense, Israel and Russia are somewhat similar around us. There are also many friends who dream of biting us harder. But to my deep conviction, the Israeli leadership is captivated by old stereotypes and, instead of building truly tailoring relations with Russia, it is in the wake of the interests of mattresses.

      Captured by stereotypes is Russia. I happened to communicate not with one and not with two diplomats from Russia, and with Israeli politicians. So, Russian diplomats simply simply neglect the potential for cooperation.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 22 November 2013 15: 04 New
        +3
        Quote: Pimply
        So, Russian diplomats simply simply neglect the potential for cooperation.

        It's just that Russians have no inclination for intrigue. Unlike some. hi
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 22 November 2013 18: 28 New
          +1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Quote: Pimply
          So, Russian diplomats simply simply neglect the potential for cooperation.

          It's just that Russians have no inclination for intrigue. Unlike some. hi


          Stereotypical thinking interferes with making correct logical conclusions, therefore, a policy based on such conclusions leads to dead ends and failures, since it is biased and does not correspond to de facto realities. History is full of the tragic consequences of trying to fit facts into ideology and stereotypes.

          You can inspire yourself as much as you like, for example, that a tiger is a harmless kitty - this will not prevent him from having lunch with you. We prefer to assess the reality as it is, without embellishment, and you continue to sell military technology to "peace-loving" China and be friends with Iranian Islamic fundamentalists. Just do not make big naive eyes later, and do not say that you were not warned that the tiger is a predatory animal.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 22 November 2013 19: 22 New
            +1
            Quote: And Us Rat
            and you continue to sell military technology to "peace-loving" China and to be friends with Iranian Islamic fundamentalists.

            Iran does not have a common border with Russia, and in this case for us the United States and the SA are big enemies, here we are allies. As for China, I have to agree with you that selling the latest military developments is either stupidity or sabotage.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 22 November 2013 22: 49 New
              +2
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Iran does not have a common border with Russia, and in this case for us the United States and the SA are big enemies, here we are allies. As for China, I have to agree with you that selling the latest military developments is either stupidity or sabotage.


              Definitely the United States and the CA have a border with Russia. Yes there are 10 borders. 8) And China does not have 8).

              And about the Caspian Sea, which they cannot normally divide, and in which Iran, as it were, also has its own interests, and through which Russia is in contact with Iran, let’s forget. Well, what is there - an important oil and gas region.
            2. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 22 November 2013 22: 58 New
              -2
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Quote: And Us Rat
              and you continue to sell military technology to "peace-loving" China and to be friends with Iranian Islamic fundamentalists.

              Iran does not have a common border with Russia ...


              Iran and Israel do not have a common border, which does not stop him from poking his nose for 2000 km from his borders, and the Russian Federation and Iran have disagreements on the Caspian Sea, China was also white, fluffy and enthusiastically looked into the mouth of the USSR while it was a nuclear bomb did not give, it is worth reminding what happened afterwards? Damansky Island does not say anything? And something (common sense) tells me that next to disagreements with a nuclear country driven by religious fanatics from religion that brought suicides to the world of terrorists, graters from the Peoples Republic of China seem like a playful wrangle.
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 22 November 2013 22: 41 New
          -1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          It's just that Russians have no inclination for intrigue. Unlike some.

          Perhaps Khrushchev would argue with you, say. There was a surprise for him, right? 8)
  • Predator-74
    Predator-74 22 November 2013 10: 07 New
    +1
    Iran vs (CA + Israel). The Pentagon seems to have finally outlined its new line of business.
  • faraon
    faraon 22 November 2013 10: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: awg75
    take my word --- Jews for money will be friends with anyone, even with a damn bald

    That’s just the money, and the question is about security as regards Israel, and about the status of the superpower of Saudi Arabia (in the Arab world).
    1. vadson
      vadson 22 November 2013 15: 23 New
      +1
      for security, look at the behavior of Israel in Syria in this conflict. it is reasonable in Syria's place to want to give to the Jews on the head for rocket attacks on their country. is this not your safety?
      1. faraon
        faraon 23 November 2013 15: 53 New
        -1
        What is the question? You are worried about Hizbullah caravans and weapons depots, the same thing applies to the security of the state of Israel, and Syrian President Assad knows this very well, but he has no choice for having Hezbollah support him, he must pay with weapons that can be used in confrontation with Israel.
        Tell or give a link to when Israel raided government positions, bombed neighborhoods with civilians, and generally spoke on the side of the opposition. Then we will talk with you on this subject.

        Israel in the Syrian conflict has taken a position of neutrality, and is not going to get involved in this conflict on any side, since this is the internal affair of Syria.
  • Kirzhak
    Kirzhak 22 November 2013 10: 35 New
    +5
    According to the newspaper, the conversation between diplomats and lobbyists was "on high tones."

    Israel will finish play: Americans or oil they will find or lack of democracy.
  • FormerMariman
    FormerMariman 22 November 2013 10: 37 New
    0
    Saudi intelligence chief Bandar bin Sultan once again meets with Putin! It is likely to persuade Putin to dissuade Iran from the nuclear program in exchange for the non-conclusion of their alliance with Israel and, as a result, calm in Syria! Then the Saudis will be the first violin on bl. east. This is another trick, as there is a hezbollah which has all these treaties on the drum, which means that if Putin agrees then sooner or later they will squeeze Syria (not directly, of course) and Iran will do nothing! On a radical and independent from all positions of hezbollah Putin can bet and try to quarrel the Saudis and Israel (especially the Anglo-Saxons and Israel have one wedding, and the other is the enemy of the Saudis)!
    1. faraon
      faraon 22 November 2013 11: 11 New
      0
      take a deeper look at the Iranian nuclear program. The question is not about building nuclear power plants; the question is about enriching uranium from beginning to end, that is, weapons-grade plutonium.

      and as one member of the forum said that: "I think that in this situation the mullahs will be much more peaceful without a bomb."
    2. duke
      duke 23 November 2013 02: 45 New
      0
      well, about the first violin of KSA - it's still a grandmother in two ... not for nothing that Erdogan immediately jumped to St. Petersburg, the Turks also mark to be the first violin ... so that Russia has the opportunity to maneuver ...
  • faraon
    faraon 22 November 2013 10: 44 New
    +1
    [quote = kapitan281271] Israel is held captive by old stereotypes and, instead of building truly tailoring relations with Russia, it is in the wake of the interests of mattresses. Israel is afraid of strengthening Iran is a mistake, the only counterbalance to the Persian monarchies was Iran, and if you put your hand on your heart, we recognize that Iran is much more sane than the Saudis.

    As for partnerships with Russia, they are simply no one wants to see it or is trying not to notice. Collaboration goes in many directions, starting with the military-industrial complex and ending with high technology. The commodity turnover last year amounted to about $ 4 billion and this is not the limit .

    As for the wake of the mattress covers, sometimes interests differ, read the article carefully, everything is written correctly, so that there are disagreements and substantial ones. Under pressure from the United States, unpopular decisions are being made, such as the peace process, the freezing of construction, some kind of goodwill agreement, etc. .d. , So Bibi has to spin like a snake in a frying pan. To be the 53th state of the United States is by no means an easy task.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 22 November 2013 11: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: faraon
      Being the 53rd state of the United States is by no means an easy task.

      And then who is the 51st and 52nd? Enlighten me dark. Please. wassat
      1. faraon
        faraon 22 November 2013 11: 20 New
        0
        Well, this is actually at the discretion of America, so to speak, vacant places.
        In general, for Israel looking back at the United States and unwillingly forced to go in the wake of US politics, Israel is called the 53 US state, we have not gone a week, Kerry will come, then Eston, then someone else is pushing the US State Department’s policy.
  • faraon
    faraon 22 November 2013 10: 58 New
    0
    Quote: kapitan281271
    Israel could not step over itself and at least make a tactical alliance with Assad. My opinion is a mistake.


    And this is not a completely correct interpretation of Israel’s relations with Syria. Israel has many times proposed to conclude an agreement on friendship and cooperation with Syria, but the political situation is either the pressure of the Arab League, or maybe Assad’s imperial ambitions, which comforts itself with the hope of taking revenge in the future Israel for defeating the Doomsday War, but at this stage it’s a cold world, guarded by UN troops.

    Well, as for the tactical alliance, there can be no talk of this since Syria, led by Assad, supports groups hostile to Israel.
  • Keeper
    Keeper 22 November 2013 11: 09 New
    +3
    How can Jews be friends with Muslims ?! Understand, I would never want to be perceived as hostile, BUT! The initial enmity between Jews and Muslims is the same garbage as the law of attraction! And if the CA agreed with Israel against Iran - which of them is a prostitute ?! Nothing good comes of the fact that two states spread rot in the third, all the more so since the Saudis with the Israelis as soon as they deal with Iran will again renew their hostility between themselves! All these are just political games, from which a simple population suffers! I'M AGAINST...))
    1. Dezzed
      Dezzed 22 November 2013 11: 41 New
      +1
      I agree with you. but such a game or another is always played unfortunately.
    2. olviko
      olviko 22 November 2013 12: 15 New
      +3
      "How can Jews be friends with Muslims?"

      In politics everything is determined by interests, the word "friendship" is somehow not found here. The British, in my opinion: "Britain does not have permanent friends, it has permanent interests," and this rule is universal for the whole world. This is an example of fraternal Semitic "friendship", which in fact was only a reflection of another coincidence of interests. There is such a thing in the Middle East. a state called Qatar, headed by an emir. And there is the Al-Jazeera radio station, which is not unknown to all. Where did this "Al Jazeera" come from in Qatar? The founders, ideological inspirers and leaders of the TV-radio station "Al-Jazeera" were brothers David and Jean Friedman, the money is naturally emir, he has a lot of them. So what happens? It seems to be the ideological mouthpiece of the Arabs, but it was founded and ruled by two brothers of acrobats, real Jews. Yes, not ordinary Jews, but completely and completely tied with the first persons of Israel and the ideologists of Zionism. In Europe, by the way, the brothers were also not strangers, especially in France and England. What does Al Jazeera do? “Al-Jazeera” acted as the instigator for the “Arab street”, and the main cistern of previously concocted provocations against the regimes unwanted by the West. The main enemies for Al-Jazeera and personally for Emir Hamad bin Khalifa were, oddly enough, the real Arabs, Muammar Gaddafi and Bashar Assad, plus Iran. For some reason, Israel is not among the blood enemies of Qatar, or for example Turkey. It seems that every Arab should have inscribed on the subcortex of the brain: My enemy number 1 is Israel. First of all, those countries that fiercely advocated a collective struggle with Israel by the entire Arab world began to destroy. With Gaddafi, everything was already clear, he was an ardent enemy of Israel, and even more so Bashar al-Assad - he is simply the bloodline of Israel. It turns out that not everything is so simple in this world. Interests of the Lord, interests!
  • faraon
    faraon 22 November 2013 11: 53 New
    0
    How can Jews be friends with Muslims ?!

    Elementary, the Koran has many interpretations, know the very first "Medina", the interpretation in relation to the Jews is somewhat different from the interpretations of the later periods, if on religious grounds.
    It is possible that there will be no special friendship, but there is an example of Egypt as soon as Egypt recognized the state of Israel, they immediately transferred the Sinai Peninsula to it, they even asked to take the Gaza Strip to that they received an affirmative answer NO. We concluded a peace treaty until recently purchased gas, traveled to Sinai to relax, collaborated in the field of medicine, the agricultural sector. The same is with Jordan. And you say that the friendship of Muslims with Jews from the realm of fiction. Many Arab countries secretly maintain relations with Israel, and this is nothing shameful.
  • faraon
    faraon 22 November 2013 11: 54 New
    +1
    How can Jews be friends with Muslims ?!

    Elementary, the Koran has many interpretations, know the very first "Medina", the interpretation in relation to the Jews is somewhat different from the interpretations of the later periods, if on religious grounds.
    It is possible that there will be no special friendship, but there is an example of Egypt as soon as Egypt recognized the state of Israel, they immediately transferred the Sinai Peninsula to it, they even asked to take the Gaza Strip to that they received an affirmative answer NO. We concluded a peace treaty until recently purchased gas, traveled to Sinai to relax, collaborated in the field of medicine, the agricultural sector. The same is with Jordan. And you say that the friendship of Muslims with Jews from the realm of fiction. Many Arab countries secretly maintain relations with Israel, and this is nothing shameful.
    1. Oberst_71
      Oberst_71 22 November 2013 12: 20 New
      +1
      Arabs are Jews behind Moses.
    2. duke
      duke 22 November 2013 17: 52 New
      0
      wishful thinking again?
  • Sergg
    Sergg 22 November 2013 12: 44 New
    +1
    It is beneficial for Israel to quarrel Saudi Arabia and Iran, so they minimize their risks and losses in the event of a major war. The understandable pragmatism of Israel. Saudi Arabia naively believes that if she wins, she will get the honorary role of looking after the region, although we do not know the depth of the long-standing contradictions between Iran and Saudi Arabia, that is, there may be a desire to annoy an unfriendly neighbor.
    Plus, do not forget about China, in case of conflict it will have to make a difficult choice between Iran and Saudi Arabia, this is already a profitable political step on the part of both Israel and the United States.
    1. atalef
      atalef 22 November 2013 15: 56 New
      0
      Quote: Sergg
      It is beneficial for Israel to quarrel Saudi Arabia and Iran

      And so they’re just good friends all their life laughing

      Quote: Sergg
      although we do not know the depth of the long-standing contradictions between Iran and Saudi Arabia

      Not us, but YOU

      Quote: Sergg
      Plus, do not forget about China, in case of conflict, it will have to make a difficult choice between Iran and Saudi Arabia

      China? A choice? There is no need for him to choose, he is neutral to both - if only they would pump oil
  • faraon
    faraon 22 November 2013 13: 21 New
    +1
    Quote: Sergg
    It is beneficial for Israel to quarrel Saudi Arabia and Iran


    My answer is when Saudi Arabia was friends with Iran, after their Muslim revolution, when the Ayatollahs came to power? They have different ideological and religious doctrines. Do you really assume that the Saudi kingdom will allow Iran’s hegemony in the Middle East. At this time, politics in the Middle East defines the Saudi kingdom. Iran for the Saudis is an outcast of the Muslim world, for them the regime of Iran is the greatest evil than the existence of Israel.
    Saudi and so watching over the region, and she will not tolerate another one watching, especially with nuclear weapons. so this is the situation, if you can negotiate with Israel and make mutual compromises, then this scheme does not work with the Ayatol regime.
    Well, the fact that China is affected by it now has so much dough that it will painlessly collapse all world exchanges, markets, and tomorrow it will have a turn to sell energy resources on more favorable terms
  • kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 22 November 2013 14: 55 New
    +1
    Regarding the tactical alliance with Ased. If, again, it is purely hypothetical to imagine Russia and Israel as allies in the full sense of the word, then Assad will do what the guys in the Kremlin and naturally nice guys from the groupings you are talking about should stop receiving support from Damsk, it would be difficult for them without it. Naturally, I mean the full-fledged interaction between Russia and Israel, and mouse fuss like visa-free entry and the rest is normal cooperation. It is a lie that is between the fucking countries like Israel is difficult but necessary. But there is one main plus of the alliance with Russia, all of this is right next to us, I mean Israel and Russia, and we really want to see the Middle East as calm and stable. The Washington regional committee is far away and they do not care about us, you, Syria from the tower, they care only about their interests, which is natural, but they are paid for by Franklins, and we and you usually with our blood, but here the price is different. And with Turkey, everything is not going smoothly both with you and with us. If such an alliance is fantastic, of course, the great port will sit quietly despite the fact that it is a member of NATO
    1. atalef
      atalef 22 November 2013 15: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: kapitan281271
      Regarding the tactical alliance with Asedom

      Maybe with NASER? wassat
  • Tourist Breakfast
    Tourist Breakfast 22 November 2013 14: 59 New
    +2
    What we hear in the statements of politicians is only the upper layer. What actually happens can only be guessed at. For example, I’m not at all sure that Israel is Iran’s first goal, if the latter acquires nuclear weapons. Like it or not, there are no objective reasons for the conflict between our countries. If only stubborn fanatics are sitting in the leadership of Iran. But something tells you - it is not.
    So, all this fuss around the Iranian nuclear program is some kind of a performance where roles are pre-allocated.
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 22 November 2013 23: 15 New
      0
      Quote: Tourist Breakfast
      What we hear in the statements of politicians is only the upper layer. What actually happens can only be guessed at. For example, I’m not at all sure that Israel is Iran’s first goal, if the latter acquires nuclear weapons. Like it or not, there are no objective reasons for the conflict between our countries. If only stubborn fanatics are sitting in the leadership of Iran. But something tells you - it is not.
      So, all this fuss around the Iranian nuclear program is some kind of a performance where roles are pre-allocated.


      If it’s interesting, leaf through my recent comments, in one of the articles I described in detail (in 3 parts) a probable scenario that is covered by similar performances. The script itself did not add optimism to me, since no one really could dig under it with logical arguments.
      1. builder
        builder 22 November 2013 23: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
        I’m not sure that Israel is the first goal of Iran, if it acquires nuclear weapons.

        Then I do not understand the hysteria of B. Nitanyahu about Iran, and the Olympic calm about the atomic cooperation between Islamabad and Riyadh
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 23 November 2013 00: 26 New
          +2
          Quote: stroitel
          Then I do not understand the hysteria of B. Nitanyahu about Iran, and the Olympic calm about the atomic cooperation between Islamabad and Riyadh

          In Riyadh, sane practitioners sit. who don’t want a bomb at all costs, but will have it if Iran has it. Riyadh knows how to play by the rules. Iran does not want to play by the rules. And the topic of hatred of the Jews is similar to that of a mustachioed citizen.
          1. smile
            smile 23 November 2013 00: 56 New
            +1
            Pimply
            Hello.
            I didn’t read the polemic above, but .... the statements of the Arabian comrades that no Christian church should be on their peninsula with a hint of spreading such peace-loving views away ........ puts them on par with the weak German ghoul ditch ... Christians, in their opinion, should not be there either ... and yet, there are no churches there ... legislatively (i.e., in fact, Nuremberg laws already exist ... only without autumn additions) ... .and they spread their worldviews ..... it’s known by what methods ... we’ve been hoping ... compared to these even the Guards of the Islamic Revolution look like uncles of the Steps .... and the fact that they are not persuaded so far is they obviously cultivate like Hitler ... the same forces ... the ideology is the same ... out, even you recognize them as capable of playing by the rules ... look ... play out ... play it together ... we will then we met their emissaries ... what is it, we know ..... the Jews hardly know about it .... or do you think you can channel their truly Nazi aspirations into side than Israel ....? I doubt that it will succeed, in the literal sense they are in no way inferior to the Nazis, the ideology is just as brutal .... only more clearly friendly with the Americans and with you, since you are their allies .... all
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 23 November 2013 16: 01 New
              0
              Quote: smile
              I didn’t read the polemic above, but .... the statements of the Arabian comrades that no Christian church should be on their peninsula with a hint of spreading such peace-loving views away ........ puts them on par with the weak German ghoul ditch ... Christians, in their opinion, should not be there either ... and yet, there are no churches there ... legislatively (i.e., in fact, Nuremberg laws already exist ... only without autumn additions) ... .and they spread their worldviews ..... it’s known by what methods ... we’ve come to see ... even the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution look like uncles of the Steps ....


              Ideology is one thing, practice is another.
          2. builder
            builder 23 November 2013 02: 15 New
            +2
            Quote: Pimply
            similar to the same topic with a mustachioed citizen.
          3. Tourist Breakfast
            Tourist Breakfast 23 November 2013 16: 39 New
            +1
            And the topic of hatred of the Jews is similar to that of a mustachioed citizen.


            Yes, I don’t believe in the irrational hatred of ayatol against Jews. Where is Iran and where is Israel? What shall we share with them?
            Just the Saudis inspire great concern in this regard.
      2. Tourist Breakfast
        Tourist Breakfast 23 November 2013 17: 18 New
        +1
        If it’s interesting, leaf through my recent comments, in one of the articles I described in detail (in 3 parts) a probable scenario that is covered by similar performances. The script itself did not add optimism to me, since no one really could dig under it with logical arguments.

        Not found. Throw a link, pliz.
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 24 November 2013 04: 24 New
          +1
          Quote: Tourist Breakfast
          If it’s interesting, leaf through my recent comments, in one of the articles I described in detail (in 3 parts) a probable scenario that is covered by similar performances. The script itself did not add optimism to me, since no one really could dig under it with logical arguments.

          Not found. Throw a link, pliz.


          http://topwar.ru/36130-kitay-sposoben-nanesti-yadernyy-udar-po-vsey-territorii-s
          sha.html # comment-id-1693987
  • kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 22 November 2013 15: 10 New
    +1
    Here we are people probably !!!! What is most interested in peace in the Middle East is not the Saudis, not Iran, not even Syria, but Israel and Russia. Israel without Russia will not achieve stability and tranquility in the region like Russia without Israel. So why, when one goal is not to unite, do not take into account each other's interests. No, it is necessary to measure yourself, try to fight us against each other, but in general, go to the same goal P-A-P-A-D-O-K-S !!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. Rusich51
      Rusich51 23 November 2013 16: 43 New
      0
      Quote: kapitan281271
      Here we are people probably !!!! What is most interested in peace in the Middle East is not the Saudis, not Iran, not even Syria, but Israel and Russia. Israel without Russia will not achieve stability and tranquility in the region like Russia without Israel. So why, when one goal is not to unite, do not take into account each other's interests. No, it is necessary to measure yourself, try to fight us against each other, but in general, go to the same goal P-A-P-A-D-O-K-S !!!!!!!!!!!!

      When it comes to the Jews I think it will be too late.
  • Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 22 November 2013 15: 40 New
    0
    the journalist quotes the saying already mentioned: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." This proverb reflects the current relationship between Saudi Arabia and Israel.

    It seems to me that this saying also characterizes the actions of Russia. Israel is the conductor of the US policy or pursues a policy supported by the United States, which by definition contradicts Russia. The Saudis were generally overgrown, almost openly blackmailing Russia with extremists. Therefore, Russia will support Iran to counterbalance even if they launch a couple of bombs. For Israel and the Saudis, this is of course critical.
  • kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 22 November 2013 16: 02 New
    0
    This is the whole parody of Israel's policy. What Israel needs in the Middle East PEACE and stability (Israel is a self-sufficient state) for everything else they shit. Mattress makers have a fundamentally different goal of "controlled chaos and destabilization" only that controlled chaos has not been invented yet. So the question is if the goals are different for hera such allies?
  • demotivator
    demotivator 22 November 2013 16: 42 New
    0
    Only the author did not explain to us who is the horse and who is the doe. As far as the "unusualness" of such an alliance is concerned, it is not unusual for Israel. There are a lot of materials on the Internet indicating that back in the years of World War II, quite warm and friendly relations were formed between the leadership of the 2rd Reich and the Zionist elite on the basis of common interests. So why should it be different today?
    http://via-midgard.info/news/eshhyo-raz-o-svyazi-sionizma-i-nacizma.htm
  • Hug
    Hug 23 November 2013 05: 13 New
    +2
    I am tormented by vague doubts: the author, by any chance, is not from "the same sandbox" with a political scientist, Dmitry Ershov?
  • Arkan
    Arkan 23 November 2013 19: 16 New
    0
    Many in the Middle East are already doing it for themselves, from the emerging realities of Iran's entry into the international arena as a key player in its region.